Re: SM 2.33 Dual core architecture

2015-03-21 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour

Philip Chee wrote on 21/03/15 15:47:

On 21/03/2015 01:06, Ant wrote:

On 3/20/2015 2:03 AM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

stan wrote on 20/03/15 15:21:

Does SM 2.33  support dual core architecture on Windows7 32 bit?
I mean does it take advantage of the dual core by increasing a speed.


Yep! Compared to single-cores and hard-drives, SM utilises
multiprocessors and SSDs.


Hmm, when SM hogs CPU, I only see a single core used? Maybe it is my
very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3?


Historically SeaMonkey is a single process multithreaded application.
With current versions the plugin container runs in a second process. The
(in progress) Firefox Electrolysis (e10s) project moves Firefox to a
multiprocess architecture. E10s is still a work in progress but if you
turn it on, the contents of all the tabs run in a single separate
process. Eventually each tab content may be a separate process.

Each process runs on a single core. I don't know if Gecko implements
it's own thread manager or uses OS threads. The OS may or may not run
separate threads on separate execution units. The CPU may or may not be
multithreaded. Intel high end CPUs are hyperthreaded. AMD Bulldozer
modules are clustered multithreading.

Phil


Much appreciated Phil.
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Re: PDF.js stopped working.

2015-03-21 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour

Daniel wrote on 20/03/15 20:58:

On 20/03/15 13:47, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/19/2015 08:09 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Just noticed that the PDF.js extension no longer works, and there
doesn't seem to be any newer version since it was rolled into
Firefox. I
tried disabling it, but instead of displaying the PDF in the
browser, it
offered to download it instead... :(




Switch to Firefox. :)


It's starting to come to that.  Seamonkey seems to be falling farther
and farther behind the curve.  Bugs aren't getting fixed but just
perpetuate from one release to the next as they try to keep up with
Firefox's ridiculous release cycle.

It's just that I can't STAND the Firefox interface, I much prefer
Seamonkey's... but it's almost like they're trying to force my hand
here. :-(


Good news!  There is a Development Version of PDF.js that does work
with Seamonkey.  You can find it here:
https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/

Scroll down till you can find the link to Development Version and
click on that.  It'll install the latest version of PDF.js and you can
view Acrobat documents in the browser again.


Jamie, when I click the link and install PDF.js, and then check the
Add-ons Manager, it tells me that the PDF.js I just installed is no
longer working.

Could this be because I'm using the SM 2.33 *Beta* version rather than
the 2.33 Final release??


Could be because even in the development version, the install.rdf max.version 
= SM 2.30, despite working fine in the experimental nightly trunk dev. builds.
Possibly needlessly, I edited mine up to SM 2.* in case of conflict.
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Re: SeaMonkey on Mac: Toolbar unresponsive

2015-03-21 Thread Burry

On 21.03.15 2:58, ismand...@hotmail.com wrote:

Using SM 2.13.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 (the last supported version for Mac Leopard).

Every so often the top toolbar freezes and becomes unresponsive. The only way 
for me to reactivate it is to restart SM. The right-hand toolbar (clock, 
Spotlight etc.) is not affected.

Any ideas?


Starting taskmanager sometimes un-freezes my mouse.
Just with ctrl/alt/del start it.
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Re: SM 2.33 Dual core architecture

2015-03-21 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour

Ant wrote on 21/03/15 01:06:

On 3/20/2015 2:03 AM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

stan wrote on 20/03/15 15:21:

Does SM 2.33  support dual core architecture on Windows7 32 bit?
I mean does it take advantage of the dual core by increasing a speed.


Yep! Compared to single-cores and hard-drives, SM utilises
multiprocessors and SSDs.


Hmm, when SM hogs CPU, I only see a single core used? Maybe it is my
very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3?


Ant, I suspect you are right about OS restrictions.
I'd completely ignored that angle.
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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour

NoOp wrote on 21/03/15 13:17:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/64156765@N03/16878470132/
confirming displaced layout in build:-
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:39.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/39.0 
SeaMonkey/2.36a1 ID:20150311081138 CSet: d4d00354095f
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Organised View of mails hierarchially: please make it more powerfully organised like tree view in file manager

2015-03-21 Thread abdallah

 In the beginning the items in the list were just mails.
Then they could be grouped of mails based on conversation (threaded view)

So now if these 'many' conversations were regrouped based on the 'few' other 
person we are dealing, it would be more helpful. Leading to grouping of mails 
compactly in hierarchically nested organized tree outline view,

somewhat like this:
# grouping based on the other person we are dealing with (similar to contacts 
in chat apps - Skype's recent, whatsapp)
## list of all threads inside this group
### All mails in that thread

with options somewhere maybe in context menu to collapse expand levels, so 
obviously the default view is collapsed showing the contact name, subject, 
snippet-(if enabled)

I guess this option is partially available in MS outlook in activity section, 
but it provides one group at a time and there is no overview. Also like 
grouping in file manager (windows explorer) where it shows all items in groups 
all at a time.
 
I don't want anything to be left for doubt, so here is an example of Organized 
listing of mails, Expanded view: (nested line folding anyone?!)

# person 1
## thread topic: subject line 1
### mail 1
### mail 2
## thread topic: subject line 2
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
...

# person  2
## thread topic: subject line 1
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
## thread topic: subject line 2
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
## thread topic: subject line 3
### mail 1
### mail 2
...

# person  3
## thread topic: subject line 1
### mail 1
### mail 2
## thread topic: subject line 2
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
### mail 4
### mail 5
...
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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread Yamo'
Hi,

dirk a écrit le 21/03/2015 11:19 :
 I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason, 
 I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.
 
 What can I do to fix it?
 


You may have to repair the folder where messages don't disappear.

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Re: SeaMonkey on Mac: Toolbar unresponsive

2015-03-21 Thread David H. Durgee

ismand...@hotmail.com wrote:

Using SM 2.13.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 (the last supported version for Mac Leopard).

Every so often the top toolbar freezes and becomes unresponsive. The only way 
for me to reactivate it is to restart SM. The right-hand toolbar (clock, 
Spotlight etc.) is not affected.

Any ideas?



Does it correct itself if you wait long enough?  I encounter cases here 
with SM on linux mint 17.1 Rebecca x64 where the visible tab/window in 
the browser and mail client cease to update.  When this occurs I can 
click another tab and the title will change, but the contents of the tab 
will remain as is.  If I click one of the drop-down menus the tab 
contents will be updated as the menu extends.  I can close SM, but I can 
also simply work elsewhere for a while and the situation will clear 
itself up.


I have posted about this on the newsgroup a few times, but it must be 
uncommon as I never get any responses to it.  Perhaps what you are 
seeing is a similar problem.


Dave
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Re: Switching between SeaMonkey's e-mail client's tabs.

2015-03-21 Thread Ant

On 3/21/2015 5:11 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ant wrote:

Hello.

Is there a way to disable the annoying back to the top of the e-mail
when switching to its tab that I scrolled down earlier?

Thank you in advance. :)


Is it that list of emails (thread pane) or the message shown in the
message pane that you're trying to stop scrolling?


That would be the e-mail (top left folder and server lists, right top is 
my message list, and bottom is my selected mail I am reading).




The thread pane seems to scroll not necessarily to the top, but so that
the message currently shown in the message pane is visible in the list.
If you either hide the message pane, or select a message which is
currently visible in the thread pane list, it doesn't scroll the thread
pane when returning to the tab - may or may not be acceptable as a
workaround.

I can't quickly find a way to stop the message pane scrolling back to
the top.

It looks like this is already reported:
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541876
Similar issue on Thunderbird; may be shared code:
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487386


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Re: SM 2.33 Dual core architecture

2015-03-21 Thread Ant

Historically SeaMonkey is a single process multithreaded application.
With current versions the plugin container runs in a second process. The
(in progress) Firefox Electrolysis (e10s) project moves Firefox to a
multiprocess architecture. E10s is still a work in progress but if you
turn it on, the contents of all the tabs run in a single separate
process. Eventually each tab content may be a separate process.

Each process runs on a single core. I don't know if Gecko implements
it's own thread manager or uses OS threads. The OS may or may not run
separate threads on separate execution units. The CPU may or may not be
multithreaded. Intel high end CPUs are hyperthreaded. AMD Bulldozer
modules are clustered multithreading.


Thanks. When is this E10s supposed to be done?
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Re: SM 2.33 Dual core architecture

2015-03-21 Thread Philip Chee
On 21/03/2015 01:06, Ant wrote:
 On 3/20/2015 2:03 AM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:
 stan wrote on 20/03/15 15:21:
 Does SM 2.33  support dual core architecture on Windows7 32 bit?
 I mean does it take advantage of the dual core by increasing a speed.

 Yep! Compared to single-cores and hard-drives, SM utilises
 multiprocessors and SSDs.
 
 Hmm, when SM hogs CPU, I only see a single core used? Maybe it is my 
 very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3?

Historically SeaMonkey is a single process multithreaded application.
With current versions the plugin container runs in a second process. The
(in progress) Firefox Electrolysis (e10s) project moves Firefox to a
multiprocess architecture. E10s is still a work in progress but if you
turn it on, the contents of all the tabs run in a single separate
process. Eventually each tab content may be a separate process.

Each process runs on a single core. I don't know if Gecko implements
it's own thread manager or uses OS threads. The OS may or may not run
separate threads on separate execution units. The CPU may or may not be
multithreaded. Intel high end CPUs are hyperthreaded. AMD Bulldozer
modules are clustered multithreading.

Phil

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Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread dirk
I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason, 
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.


What can I do to fix it?
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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread Ray_Net

Eric wrote on 20/03/2015 17:56:

Finally saw that Seamonkey got some recognition from PC Mag.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898509/10-obscure-highly-specialized-browsers-that-will-make-you-forget-about-chrome-firefox-and-ie.html 



Bout time.

Eric

I did not  see the seamonkey word on this page ...
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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread Ray_Net

WaltS48 wrote on 21/03/2015 17:17:

On 03/21/2015 12:03 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Eric wrote on 20/03/2015 17:56:

Finally saw that Seamonkey got some recognition from PC Mag.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898509/10-obscure-highly-specialized-browsers-that-will-make-you-forget-about-chrome-firefox-and-ie.html 




Bout time.

Eric

I did not  see the seamonkey word on this page ...



You need to learn how to navigate the site. Click the right facing 
arrow above the text 1 of 11. SeaMonkey is #7 of 11.



OK, I see. thanks.
I nerver use the maximized windows sot the arrows were missing :-)
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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread Ant

On 3/20/2015 6:12 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
...

Nice article. Maybe SeaMonkey usage will bump up to 150,000 active daily
installs.


Who has access to the download and installation statistics? ;)
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Re: Organised View of mails hierarchially: please make it more powerfully organised like tree view in file manager

2015-03-21 Thread abdallah
 feature of Outlook, I guess the 
 limitation of one group at a time is to avoid the problem of how to deal 
 with messages which appear in more than one group.

# thread involving more than one other person:

The mail can be showed in all the nodes of persons included in the mail using 
the 'labeling technique'.
 The item remains single but can be accessed and modified from all the included 
nodes.
 The feature is intelligently used by gmail and opera took it a step further by 
using labels as folders as well,
 so its both folders in tree view and also one item in as many places as you 
want by nesting labels.
but if persons in the list are many, considering that Chat apps like Whatsapp  
Skype
 are handling it well by manual creation of 'multi-contact group',
similarly multi-addressed threads can be given Auto-generated name making group 
of persons.

The objective is plain: **chat apps have made it simple,
 reduced information overload and
 helped us stay on top of situation by giving a good overview**.

If even if this is not possible then maybe 'mail summaries' can have section 
listing persons based on recency
 such that each person's only latest mail is displayed.
 If we want to see all the mails of that person similar to expanding that 
person's node to all threads with that person,
 then we can use search and filter that person's mails instead.


# the option partially available in MS outlook in activity section, but without 
overview:
 
 in order to access it first a contact vcard is opened,
 then in the contact ribbon in show pane
 clicking 'Activities' displays all items such as mails, contacts, upcoming 
appointments, etc. with that person.
 
# grouping in file manager (windows explorer) where it shows all items in 
groups all at a time.

 There, each file or folder clearly falls into one group. You don't get a 
 file with a name beginning with both A and G, or with a size both 
 greater than 1MB and less than 1MB, etc. But you can have an email 
 thread containing messages from both person 1 and person 3.

By allowing it to appear in both the nodes of person 1  person 3; similar to 
labeling
 if there are many persons then there can be an option to view
 only contacts in address book or to completely disable this feature.
 
 
 
 The bottomline is to borrow the feature refined to perfection by chat apps.
 Like Skype, Whatsapp, messenger
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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread WaltS48

On 03/21/2015 12:03 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Eric wrote on 20/03/2015 17:56:

Finally saw that Seamonkey got some recognition from PC Mag.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898509/10-obscure-highly-specialized-browsers-that-will-make-you-forget-about-chrome-firefox-and-ie.html


Bout time.

Eric

I did not  see the seamonkey word on this page ...



You need to learn how to navigate the site. Click the right facing arrow 
above the text 1 of 11. SeaMonkey is #7 of 11.


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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread HARSHA GODAVARI
Item # 7 

SeaMonkey 

Underpinnings: Gecko 
Focus: old-school all-in-one Internet suite 
SeaMonkey has been around for nearly ten years, and it’s still going strong—but 
SeaMonkey is an ideal choice only for hardcore web users who want almost 
everything you could possibly think of in one package. 
SeaMonkey integrates a browser, an email client, a RSS and newsgroup client, an 
HTML editor, and an IRC client. The only thing missing from this suite is the 
ability to download torrents… but you can get that as an add-on. 

- Original Message -

From: Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:03:14 PM 
Subject: Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag 

Eric wrote on 20/03/2015 17:56: 
 Finally saw that Seamonkey got some recognition from PC Mag. 
 
 http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898509/10-obscure-highly-specialized-browsers-that-will-make-you-forget-about-chrome-firefox-and-ie.html
  
 
 
 Bout time. 
 
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I did not see the seamonkey word on this page ... 
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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread dirk

Yamo' schreef:

Hi,

dirk a écrit le 21/03/2015 11:19 :

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?




You may have to repair the folder where messages don't disappear.



OK, maybe, but how?


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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread Barry Edwin Gilmour

Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote on 21/03/15 14:56:

NoOp wrote on 21/03/15 13:17:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage
properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/64156765@N03/16878470132/
confirming displaced layout in build:-
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:39.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/39.0
SeaMonkey/2.36a1 ID:20150311081138 CSet: d4d00354095f


Same results in tonight's build. (Correct layout in Epiphany).

12 Errors, 1 warning(s) to line#291, where W3.org validator, warns 
cannot recover after last error. Any further errors will be ignored

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.taintedwine.com%2Ftest-results+charset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlinegroup=0

Page claims to be written primarily for standards-compliant WebKit.
It renders okay in WebKit browsers, and not in Gecko browsers?
Rubbish page, or Gecko and Webkit are diverging from the common standard?
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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread Danny Kile
You may want to check this site out, it is written for Thunderbird 
however, it is the same for Seamonkey.


The link: click here 
http://email.about.com/od/mozillathunderbirdtips/qt/How-To-Repair-Folders-In-Mozilla-Thunderbird.htm



dirk wrote:

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?


Yamo' wrote:
 Hi,

 dirk a écrit le 21/03/2015 11:19 :
 I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
 I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

 What can I do to fix it?



 You may have to repair the folder where messages don't disappear.

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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread WaltS48

On 03/21/2015 09:09 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage
properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


There are 12 errors in the HTML, at least one of which involves a
stylesheet so it's possible that some browsers don't read that
stylesheet at all, and 128 errors in the CSS itself. For those
interested, these can be checked at http://validator.w3.org/ and
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

While it's not unusual for pages to contain a lot of errors against the
standards and still work in practice on most browsers, it shouldn't be
surprising that they might behave differently in some browsers.

That's not to say handling of erroneous pages couldn't or shouldn't be
improved - just that it's possibly the reason for the difference. From
Barry's responses it looks like the current development version has
improved handling of this case.

Mark.




The background for the Brand appears a bit darker in my Firefox 36.0.1, 
than my SeaMonkey 2.33 and Chromium 41.0.2272.76. I barely notice a 
difference putting them side by side.


Is that the complaint?

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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/21/2015 09:09 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage
properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


There are 12 errors in the HTML, at least one of which involves a
stylesheet so it's possible that some browsers don't read that
stylesheet at all, and 128 errors in the CSS itself. For those
interested, these can be checked at http://validator.w3.org/ and
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

While it's not unusual for pages to contain a lot of errors against the
standards and still work in practice on most browsers, it shouldn't be
surprising that they might behave differently in some browsers.

That's not to say handling of erroneous pages couldn't or shouldn't be
improved - just that it's possibly the reason for the difference. From
Barry's responses it looks like the current development version has
improved handling of this case.

Mark.




The background for the Brand appears a bit darker in my Firefox 36.0.1,
than my SeaMonkey 2.33 and Chromium 41.0.2272.76. I barely notice a
difference putting them side by side.

Is that the complaint?


From NoOp's screenshots, SeaMonkey and Firefox show the headers and 
introductory text centred, there is no menu, and the sort by options 
to the left of the table. Ephiphany and Opera show the headers and intro 
left aligned, menu to the right of the header and the sort options above 
the table. So a bit more than just a slightly different colour.


For what it's worth, I just tried that page in a few browsers on Windows 
Vista:
- Internet Explorer 9.0: Header is completely screwed (logo image is 
displayed without scaling and styling, menu is a bullet list of links). 
Intro and table look similar to NoOp's screenshots from Ephiphany and Opera.
- Chrome 41.0.2272.89: Looks similar to NoOp's screenshots from 
Ephiphany and Opera.
- SeaMonkey 2.33: Headers and intro look similar to NoOp's screenshots 
from Ephiphany and Opera, but the sort options and table look similar to 
NoOp's screenshot from SeaMonkey.


So it seems to vary between browsers and even for the same browser on 
different OSs...


Mark.

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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread dirk

dirk schreef:

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?


I have to add, that the map TRASH is disappeared in the account 
view.. besides that I noticed that many messages in the RECEIVED 
MAIL map are dissappeared as well


help
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Mail File Save As uses Open dialog

2015-03-21 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne

Bit of a strange one...

From Mail  News, if I view a message in the message pane, and select 
File  Save As  File, the OS's File OPEN dialog is called, and gives a 
file not found error if I specify a filename which doesn't already 
exist. If I select a file which does already exist and click Open, it 
overwrites the file without warning.


If I double-click the message to open it in a separate window, and 
select File  Save As  File from there, it works as expected - the OS's 
File SAVE AS dialog is called, allows a non-existent file to be 
selected, and prompts to overwrite if an existing file is specified.


SeaMonkey 2.33 on Windows Vista.

Can anyone else confirm this? A quick search of Bugzilla didn't turn 
anything up, so I'll investigate further and file a bug if others also 
see this.


Thanks,
Mark.

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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread WaltS48

On 03/21/2015 10:09 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/21/2015 09:09 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage
properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


There are 12 errors in the HTML, at least one of which involves a
stylesheet so it's possible that some browsers don't read that
stylesheet at all, and 128 errors in the CSS itself. For those
interested, these can be checked at http://validator.w3.org/ and
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

While it's not unusual for pages to contain a lot of errors against the
standards and still work in practice on most browsers, it shouldn't be
surprising that they might behave differently in some browsers.

That's not to say handling of erroneous pages couldn't or shouldn't be
improved - just that it's possibly the reason for the difference. From
Barry's responses it looks like the current development version has
improved handling of this case.

Mark.




The background for the Brand appears a bit darker in my Firefox 36.0.1,
than my SeaMonkey 2.33 and Chromium 41.0.2272.76. I barely notice a
difference putting them side by side.

Is that the complaint?


 From NoOp's screenshots, SeaMonkey and Firefox show the headers and
introductory text centred, there is no menu, and the sort by options
to the left of the table. Ephiphany and Opera show the headers and intro
left aligned, menu to the right of the header and the sort options above
the table. So a bit more than just a slightly different colour.

For what it's worth, I just tried that page in a few browsers on Windows
Vista:
- Internet Explorer 9.0: Header is completely screwed (logo image is
displayed without scaling and styling, menu is a bullet list of links).
Intro and table look similar to NoOp's screenshots from Ephiphany and
Opera.
- Chrome 41.0.2272.89: Looks similar to NoOp's screenshots from
Ephiphany and Opera.
- SeaMonkey 2.33: Headers and intro look similar to NoOp's screenshots
from Ephiphany and Opera, but the sort options and table look similar to
NoOp's screenshot from SeaMonkey.

So it seems to vary between browsers and even for the same browser on
different OSs...

Mark.



I see! Much ado about nothing again.

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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread Danny Kile

Danny Kile wrote:

You may want to check this site out, it is written for Thunderbird
however, it is the same for Seamonkey.

The link: click here
http://email.about.com/od/mozillathunderbirdtips/qt/How-To-Repair-Folders-In-Mozilla-Thunderbird.htm



dirk wrote:

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?


Yamo' wrote:
  Hi,
 
  dirk a écrit le 21/03/2015 11:19 :
  I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
  I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.
 
  What can I do to fix it?
 
 
 
  You may have to repair the folder where messages don't disappear.
 


Oops sorry for the top post, it's been awhile, I had a brain fart.
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Re: PDF.js stopped working.

2015-03-21 Thread WaltS48

On 03/20/2015 09:51 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

EE wrote on 3/20/2015 12:58 PM:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/19/2015 08:09 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Just noticed that the PDF.js extension no longer works, and there
doesn't seem to be any newer version since it was rolled into
Firefox. I
tried disabling it, but instead of displaying the PDF in the
browser, it
offered to download it instead... :(




Switch to Firefox. :)


Use a helper application.  I do that quite happily.  It works.



I don't understand why anyone would want a browser to render a .pdf
file.  Or a Word file.  Or Excel file.  I have native applications to
handle all files.  A browser is for rendering HTML files.  I think it
was a horrible idea to enable Firefox/SeaMonkey to render .pdf files.
All it did was ask for trouble and apparently succesfully given all the
issues with it.

When I click a link to a .pdf in SeaMonkey or Firefox the file opens in
my .pdf reader software.



Why do millions of browser users use the Adobe Reader plugin to view 
PDFs in the browser?


Do you do the same with Flash videos?

So you would rather have users depend on security vulnerable plugins 
that users have to update too frequently, rather than built-in 
replacements that get updated regularly with improvements and security, 
and the user doesn't have to be bothered. Okay.


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Re: Organised View of mails hierarchially: please make it more powerfully organised like tree view in file manager

2015-03-21 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne

abdallah wrote:


  In the beginning the items in the list were just mails.
Then they could be grouped of mails based on conversation (threaded view)

So now if these 'many' conversations were regrouped based on the 'few' other 
person we are dealing, it would be more helpful. Leading to grouping of mails 
compactly in hierarchically nested organized tree outline view,

somewhat like this:
# grouping based on the other person we are dealing with (similar to contacts 
in chat apps - Skype's recent, whatsapp)
## list of all threads inside this group
### All mails in that thread


What should happen when a thread involves more than one other person 
(e.g. person 1 and person 3 in your example below?)




with options somewhere maybe in context menu to collapse expand levels, so 
obviously the default view is collapsed showing the contact name, subject, 
snippet-(if enabled)

I guess this option is partially available in MS outlook in activity section, 
but it provides one group at a time and there is no overview.


I'm not familiar with that feature of Outlook, but I guess the 
limitation of one group at a time is to avoid the problem of how to deal 
with messages which appear in more than one group.



Also like grouping in file manager (windows explorer) where it shows all items 
in groups all at a time.


There, each file or folder clearly falls into one group. You don't get a 
file with a name beginning with both A and G, or with a size both 
greater than 1MB and less than 1MB, etc. But you can have an email 
thread containing messages from both person 1 and person 3.



I don't want anything to be left for doubt, so here is an example of Organized 
listing of mails, Expanded view: (nested line folding anyone?!)

# person 1
## thread topic: subject line 1
### mail 1
### mail 2
## thread topic: subject line 2
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
...

# person  2
## thread topic: subject line 1
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
## thread topic: subject line 2
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
## thread topic: subject line 3
### mail 1
### mail 2
...

# person  3
## thread topic: subject line 1
### mail 1
### mail 2
## thread topic: subject line 2
### mail 1
### mail 2
### mail 3
### mail 4
### mail 5
...


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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne

NoOp wrote:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


There are 12 errors in the HTML, at least one of which involves a 
stylesheet so it's possible that some browsers don't read that 
stylesheet at all, and 128 errors in the CSS itself. For those 
interested, these can be checked at http://validator.w3.org/ and 
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/


While it's not unusual for pages to contain a lot of errors against the 
standards and still work in practice on most browsers, it shouldn't be 
surprising that they might behave differently in some browsers.


That's not to say handling of erroneous pages couldn't or shouldn't be 
improved - just that it's possibly the reason for the difference. From 
Barry's responses it looks like the current development version has 
improved handling of this case.


Mark.

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Re: SeaMonkey on Mac: Toolbar unresponsive

2015-03-21 Thread Iceman
On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:59:24 AM UTC, Burry wrote:
 On 21.03.15 2:58, Iceman wrote:
  Using SM 2.13.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 (the last supported version for Mac 
  Leopard).
 
  Every so often the top toolbar freezes and becomes unresponsive. The only 
  way for me to reactivate it is to restart SM. The right-hand toolbar 
  (clock, Spotlight etc.) is not affected.
 
  Any ideas?
 
 Starting taskmanager sometimes un-freezes my mouse.
 Just with ctrl/alt/del start it.

Thanks for that, but the mouse/pointer is OK.

And there is no ctrl/alt/del on Mac (I, BTW, am using MacBook).
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Re: Switching between SeaMonkey's e-mail client's tabs.

2015-03-21 Thread mozilla-lists . mbourne

Ant wrote:

Hello.

Is there a way to disable the annoying back to the top of the e-mail
when switching to its tab that I scrolled down earlier?

Thank you in advance. :)


Is it that list of emails (thread pane) or the message shown in the 
message pane that you're trying to stop scrolling?


The thread pane seems to scroll not necessarily to the top, but so that 
the message currently shown in the message pane is visible in the list. 
If you either hide the message pane, or select a message which is 
currently visible in the thread pane list, it doesn't scroll the thread 
pane when returning to the tab - may or may not be acceptable as a 
workaround.


I can't quickly find a way to stop the message pane scrolling back to 
the top.


It looks like this is already reported:
  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=541876
Similar issue on Thunderbird; may be shared code:
  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487386

Mark.

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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread EE

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage
properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


There are 12 errors in the HTML, at least one of which involves a
stylesheet so it's possible that some browsers don't read that
stylesheet at all, and 128 errors in the CSS itself. For those
interested, these can be checked at http://validator.w3.org/ and
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

While it's not unusual for pages to contain a lot of errors against the
standards and still work in practice on most browsers, it shouldn't be
surprising that they might behave differently in some browsers.

That's not to say handling of erroneous pages couldn't or shouldn't be
improved - just that it's possibly the reason for the difference. From
Barry's responses it looks like the current development version has
improved handling of this case.

Mark.

Why are there two lists with SeaMonkey, but not with Safari (Webkit)? 
The first list is not in alphabetical order and is shifted over, and the 
second list is fine and in alphabetical order.


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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread dirk

Danny Kile schreef:

You may want to check this site out, it is written for Thunderbird
however, it is the same for Seamonkey.

The link: click here
http://email.about.com/od/mozillathunderbirdtips/qt/How-To-Repair-Folders-In-Mozilla-Thunderbird.htm



dirk wrote:

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?


Yamo' wrote:
  Hi,
 
  dirk a écrit le 21/03/2015 11:19 :
  I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
  I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.
 
  What can I do to fix it?
 
 
 
  You may have to repair the folder where messages don't disappear.
 



thank, I did that, but there was only a file called trash.msf, NO file 
trash (without the extention).


What to do?


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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread EE

Yamo' wrote:

Hi,

dirk a écrit le 21/03/2015 11:19 :

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?




You may have to repair the folder where messages don't disappear.

Do you compact your folders frequently?  You should do that to keep 
things working properly.


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Re: Lightning in SeaMonkey 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread Robert Steinmetz

On 03/20/2015 04:58 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Rob Steinmetz wrote:

I just upgraded to 2.33 and Lightning is broke, at least on my computer.
I upgraded to Lightning 3.8b2 and nothing works. I tried the
calendar.icaljs fix posed elsewhere but it was already set to false.

Any ideas I don't seem to be alone but it is apparently somewhat random.


Works fine for me - SeaMonkey 2.33 and Lightning 3.8b2 on Windows Vista.

What does nothing works mean? Does SeaMonkey not even start with
Lightning installed? Does it start but crash immediately? Does SeaMonkey
start OK, but there's no Events and Tasks menu in mail  news? Does
Lightning show up in the Extensions section of add-ons manager? Does
that give any clues as to why its not working (e.g. it might be disabled)?

Mark.

Seamonkey works as usual however whenever the calendar or tasks tabs is 
open the toll bar is greyed out and the calendar pane is blank, no dates 
or events. When I receive an invitation by email it does not open or get 
makes as read.

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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread Philip Chee
On 22/03/2015 00:33, Ant wrote:
 On 3/20/2015 6:12 PM, WaltS48 wrote: ...
 Nice article. Maybe SeaMonkey usage will bump up to 150,000 active
 daily installs.
 
 Who has access to the download and installation statistics? ;)

1. Go:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-03-17#2.x_.28Last.2C_Current.2C_Next.29

2. Click on the dataviz link.

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Re: Can't delete messages SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread EE

dirk wrote:

dirk schreef:

I have multiple email accounts, but since this mornig, for some reason,
I can't delete messages from one of the accounts anymore.

What can I do to fix it?


I have to add, that the map TRASH is disappeared in the account
view.. besides that I noticed that many messages in the RECEIVED
MAIL map are dissappeared as well

help


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Disappearing_mail
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Keep_it_working_-_Thunderbird
The latter link also applies to SeaMonkey.

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Re: SeaMonkey/Mozilla Page Display

2015-03-21 Thread EE

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 03/21/2015 09:09 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

NoOp wrote:

Why is it that SeaMonkey and Firefox do not display this webpage
properly?

http://www.taintedwine.com/test-results

Screenshots:

SeaMonkey 2.33:
http://postimg.org/image/5h0nnnse3/
Firefox 36.0.3
http://postimg.org/image/5fqpu8qkb/

Same link with:
Ephiphany Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/uvz6kf6gr/
Opera Browser:
http://postimg.org/image/ht3k15g8r/
and of course Chrome  Chromium as the same.


There are 12 errors in the HTML, at least one of which involves a
stylesheet so it's possible that some browsers don't read that
stylesheet at all, and 128 errors in the CSS itself. For those
interested, these can be checked at http://validator.w3.org/ and
https://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

While it's not unusual for pages to contain a lot of errors against the
standards and still work in practice on most browsers, it shouldn't be
surprising that they might behave differently in some browsers.

That's not to say handling of erroneous pages couldn't or shouldn't be
improved - just that it's possibly the reason for the difference. From
Barry's responses it looks like the current development version has
improved handling of this case.

Mark.




The background for the Brand appears a bit darker in my Firefox 36.0.1,
than my SeaMonkey 2.33 and Chromium 41.0.2272.76. I barely notice a
difference putting them side by side.

Is that the complaint?


 From NoOp's screenshots, SeaMonkey and Firefox show the headers and
introductory text centred, there is no menu, and the sort by options
to the left of the table. Ephiphany and Opera show the headers and intro
left aligned, menu to the right of the header and the sort options above
the table. So a bit more than just a slightly different colour.

For what it's worth, I just tried that page in a few browsers on Windows
Vista:
- Internet Explorer 9.0: Header is completely screwed (logo image is
displayed without scaling and styling, menu is a bullet list of links).
Intro and table look similar to NoOp's screenshots from Ephiphany and
Opera.
- Chrome 41.0.2272.89: Looks similar to NoOp's screenshots from
Ephiphany and Opera.
- SeaMonkey 2.33: Headers and intro look similar to NoOp's screenshots
from Ephiphany and Opera, but the sort options and table look similar to
NoOp's screenshot from SeaMonkey.

So it seems to vary between browsers and even for the same browser on
different OSs...

Mark.

The buttons or links, whichever they are, to the right of the page title 
work with both SeaMonkey and Safari, so that is not a problem.
The displacement of the list is a problem, and there are two lists with 
SeaMonkey.


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I use Lightning 3.8b2 with SM 2.33

2015-03-21 Thread Hb
Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
 Extensions with binary components such as Lightning, …
 only work on certain platforms (e.g. Windows).
 Furthermore they need to be adjusted for each new SeaMonkey release,
 which also means that an old version of such an add-on can break
 SeaMonkey if you disabled compatibility checking (which e.g. happens
 when you install the Add-on Compatibility Reporter add-on).

 For Lightning, please check the Stable Releases section on the
 Calendar Versions page… 
 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions#Stable_Releases

 So I should use Lightning version 3.8b2
 (Doesn't the b stand for beta?)
 
 If you're on SM 2.33 then use Lightning 3.9b.

No.

As the Calendar Versions page (URL above) shows: For SM 2.33 use
Lightning 3.8b2.  There is no need to try other versions with SM 2.33.
Investing your time in error checking would give better results than
installing Add-ons which are binary incompatible to your SM version.

Hb

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Re: Does anyone use Lightning?

2015-03-21 Thread Hb
Ronnie wrote:
 I had to stay with the current stable version 3.3.3 to keep lightbird
 working. The new one causes all kinda of goofy stuff going on. I emailed
 the developer and informed them about then newer versions causing issue.

The Lightbird Version Issue was fixed yesterday, see
https://github.com/Exalm/lightbird/issues/13#event-260521431

So you might want to use the current SM 2.33 an Lightning 2.8b2

Hb
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Re: Does anyone use Lightning?

2015-03-21 Thread Ronnie
Thanks and yes he emailed me when he updated them, I have been speaking
with the dev on a few occasions and a he is also on our rotation
donation, we are encouraging him to stay active on seamonkey development
and is next on the list to receive a split.

We are dead serious about pushing SeaMonkey development and providing
support where we can.

~Ronnie


Hb wrote:
 Ronnie wrote:
 I had to stay with the current stable version 3.3.3 to keep lightbird
 working. The new one causes all kinda of goofy stuff going on. I emailed
 the developer and informed them about then newer versions causing issue.
 The Lightbird Version Issue was fixed yesterday, see
 https://github.com/Exalm/lightbird/issues/13#event-260521431

 So you might want to use the current SM 2.33 an Lightning 2.8b2

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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Geoff Welsh wrote:


I maximized the window to get the arrows, but they only work twice
then stop.  Slide-shows have to be the absolute dumbest thing a page
designer can do.


Funny, I saw all 11 without difficulty, once I figured out what to do.

Win7 Pro SP1, SM 2.33.

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Re: Finally Seamonkey is Recognized by PC Mag

2015-03-21 Thread Geoff Welsh

Ray_Net wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 21/03/2015 17:17:

On 03/21/2015 12:03 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Eric wrote on 20/03/2015 17:56:

Finally saw that Seamonkey got some recognition from PC Mag.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2898509/10-obscure-highly-specialized-browsers-that-will-make-you-forget-about-chrome-firefox-and-ie.html



Bout time.

Eric

I did not  see the seamonkey word on this page ...



You need to learn how to navigate the site. Click the right facing
arrow above the text 1 of 11. SeaMonkey is #7 of 11.


OK, I see. thanks.
I nerver use the maximized windows sot the arrows were missing :-)


I maximized the window to get the arrows, but they only work twice then 
stop.  Slide-shows have to be the absolute dumbest thing a page designer 
can do.


GW
OS X, SM 2.34a1
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Re: SeaMonkey on Mac: Toolbar unresponsive

2015-03-21 Thread Geoff Welsh

ismand...@hotmail.com wrote:

Using SM 2.13.2 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 (the last supported version for
Mac Leopard).

Every so often the top toolbar freezes and becomes unresponsive. The
only way for me to reactivate it is to restart SM. The right-hand
toolbar (clock, Spotlight etc.) is not affected.

Any ideas?


you must have an Intel machine?  I have a PPC running OSX 10.5.8 and the 
last SM for /this/ is SM 2.0.14, but I have never run into that problem. 
 Obviously the solution is to use these old machines as sparingly as 
possible.  I have an extremely short list of web sites I will dare load, 
that I already know will NOT lock everything up or crash SM,  and just 
use this machine when my modern Mac has killed the battery (due to too 
much Flash on some web page, no doubt).


GW
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What Are These SQLITE Files?

2015-03-21 Thread Larry S.
There are several fairly large sqlite files in my profile. One I 
recognize; the others no. Can someone please help me know what these 
are, and their importance?


They are:
--  cookies.sqlite (I know about this one)
--  cookies.sqlite.bak
--  cookies.sqlite.bak-rebuild
--  cookies.sqlite-wal
--  webappsstore.sqlite

All advice greatly appreciated.

Larry S.
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