Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Rick Merrill]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!

...
vERY NICE!

Items I found enticing:
"# You can now drag and drop downloads, e.g. from the Download Manager to the 
desktop.
# SeaMonkey now shows "doorhangers" for notifications like remembering log-in 
passwords or after installing an extension.

# The new DoNotTrack HTTP header is supported (configurable in Preferences).
# A page with Troubleshooting Information (about:support) and the option to restart 
in Safe Mode are now available from the Help menu.
# Loading the URL about:memory now shows how much memory is used by different parts 
of SeaMonkey.
# SeaMonkey should now support more websites that previously appeared to only work 
with Firefox (configurable in Preferences).


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

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Wazzat, please?


Rick Merrill wrote: # The new DoNotTrack HTTP header is supported
(configurable in Preferences).



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/10/11 4:27 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major 
> release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! 
> Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the 
> latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware 
> acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
> 
> Most notably, this release features for the first time:
> 
> - Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
>across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
> - Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
>giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
> - An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
>suggestions.
> - The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
>passwords and form data.
> - Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
>cookies and survive plugin crashes.
> 
> For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the 
> What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also 
> contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked 
> questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and 
> screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
> 
> 
> Full news article:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10
> 
> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> Release notes:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1
> 
> System Requirements:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements
> 
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> SeaMonkey Council member

Has the Update problem noted in bug #662677 been fixed?  If not, will it
be fixed soon?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[JD]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:

- Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
- Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
- An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
suggestions.
- The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
passwords and form data.
- Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
cookies and survive plugin crashes.

For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Full news article:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10

Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1

System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey Council member


Can I install it over my current version, 2.0.14?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/10/2011 8:56 PM, JD wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:

- Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
- Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
- An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
suggestions.
- The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
passwords and form data.
- Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
cookies and survive plugin crashes.

For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Full news article:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10

Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1

System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey Council member


Can I install it over my current version, 2.0.14?



Yes. (Just note the mention in Release Notes about downgrading BACK to 
2.0.14 if that is ever desired)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/10/2011 8:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Has the Update problem noted in bug #662677 been fixed?  If not, will it
be fixed soon?


The documentation, I am unsure if it is fixed. But you should not need 
to worry about that.


If you mean the "Extensions installed on updates..." no it has not been 
fixed, will not be for 2.1.


We *may* fix it, but I think the solution will be more of a "mark 
extension [x] disabled if you don't want it" rather than "don't stuff 
into application folder", since we now push the extensions to the 
profile anyway.


Which means that if you install 2.1 from scratch, including these 
extensions, run once, and then uninstall, and re-install without the 
extensions, you'll then STILL have those extensions in your profile, 
since they install to profile on first launch.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/10/11 4:27 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major 
> release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! 
> Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the 
> latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware 
> acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
> 
> Most notably, this release features for the first time:
> 
> - Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
>across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
> - Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
>giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
> - An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
>suggestions.
> - The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
>passwords and form data.
> - Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
>cookies and survive plugin crashes.
> 
> For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the 
> What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also 
> contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked 
> questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and 
> screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
> 
> 
> Full news article:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10
> 
> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> Release notes:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1
> 
> System Requirements:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements
> 
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> SeaMonkey Council member

In Windows XP, I requested the properties for the SeaMonkey 2.1
executable seamonkey.exe.  On the Version tab of the Properties window,
I see 3 different version numbers:

*  At the top of the tab, File version: 2.0.1.4176

*  Under "Other version information", File version: 2.0.1

*  Under "Other version information", Product version: 2.1

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/10/11 8:04 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 8:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> Has the Update problem noted in bug #662677 been fixed?  If not, will it
>> be fixed soon?
> 
> The documentation, I am unsure if it is fixed. But you should not need 
> to worry about that.
> 
> If you mean the "Extensions installed on updates..." no it has not been 
> fixed, will not be for 2.1.
> 
> We *may* fix it, but I think the solution will be more of a "mark 
> extension [x] disabled if you don't want it" rather than "don't stuff 
> into application folder", since we now push the extensions to the 
> profile anyway.
> 
> Which means that if you install 2.1 from scratch, including these 
> extensions, run once, and then uninstall, and re-install without the 
> extensions, you'll then STILL have those extensions in your profile, 
> since they install to profile on first launch.
> 

No.  I meant the ability to update from a LOCAL .mar file.  See the bug
report at  and read
the comments, especiall starting at #13.

While the bug report itself is closed because the Wiki documentation has
been updated, the procedures did not work to update SM 2.1RC1 to
SM2.1RC2 using the partial .mar file.  I had expected a new SeaMonkey
bug report on this, but none has appeared yet.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Sledge Hammer]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major release
> of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! Building on
> the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the latest developments in
> web technologies such as HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript
> speed.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
> 
> Most notably, this release features for the first time:
> 
> - Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
>   across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
> - Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
>   giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
> - An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
>   suggestions.
> - The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
>   passwords and form data.
> - Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
>   cookies and survive plugin crashes.
> 
> For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the What's New
> in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also contain a list of
> known issues and answers to frequently asked questions. For a more general
> overview of the SeaMonkey project (and screen shots!), visit
> www.seamonkey-project.org.
> 
> 
> Full news article:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10
> 
> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> Release notes:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1
> 
> System Requirements:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements
> 
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> SeaMonkey Council member


Nice work!

All we need now is a few non-sucky themes and updated add-ons. But overall
quite nice. Congratulations to the team and thanks for all the hard work.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/10/11 8:04 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/10/2011 8:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Has the Update problem noted in bug #662677 been fixed?  If not, will it
be fixed soon?


The documentation, I am unsure if it is fixed. But you should not need
to worry about that.

If you mean the "Extensions installed on updates..." no it has not been
fixed, will not be for 2.1.

We *may* fix it, but I think the solution will be more of a "mark
extension [x] disabled if you don't want it" rather than "don't stuff
into application folder", since we now push the extensions to the
profile anyway.

Which means that if you install 2.1 from scratch, including these
extensions, run once, and then uninstall, and re-install without the
extensions, you'll then STILL have those extensions in your profile,
since they install to profile on first launch.



No.  I meant the ability to update from a LOCAL .mar file.  See the bug
report at  and read
the comments, especiall starting at #13.

While the bug report itself is closed because the Wiki documentation has
been updated, the procedures did not work to update SM 2.1RC1 to
SM2.1RC2 using the partial .mar file.  I had expected a new SeaMonkey
bug report on this, but none has appeared yet.



Re-Read my answer.

The complete.mar works, the partial.mar will give you errors if you 
don't install certain optional extensions. (in a production version of 
SeaMonkey that downloads the updates itself, you'll get the complete mar 
when the partial fails).


If you did install all optional files, then the partial works.

I won't be changing the way the partial is generated here.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/10/11 4:27 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:

- Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
- Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
- An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
suggestions.
- The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
passwords and form data.
- Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
cookies and survive plugin crashes.

For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Full news article:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10

Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1

System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey Council member


In Windows XP, I requested the properties for the SeaMonkey 2.1
executable seamonkey.exe.  On the Version tab of the Properties window,
I see 3 different version numbers:

*  At the top of the tab, File version: 2.0.1.4176

*  Under "Other version information", File version: 2.0.1



I believe this relates to the Gecko installation that we built with, but 
I'm not 100% certain there.



*  Under "Other version information", Product version: 2.1



This would be our version
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/10/11 10:14 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 6/10/11 8:04 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2011 8:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
 Has the Update problem noted in bug #662677 been fixed?  If not, will it
 be fixed soon?
>>>
>>> The documentation, I am unsure if it is fixed. But you should not need
>>> to worry about that.
>>>
>>> If you mean the "Extensions installed on updates..." no it has not been
>>> fixed, will not be for 2.1.
>>>
>>> We *may* fix it, but I think the solution will be more of a "mark
>>> extension [x] disabled if you don't want it" rather than "don't stuff
>>> into application folder", since we now push the extensions to the
>>> profile anyway.
>>>
>>> Which means that if you install 2.1 from scratch, including these
>>> extensions, run once, and then uninstall, and re-install without the
>>> extensions, you'll then STILL have those extensions in your profile,
>>> since they install to profile on first launch.
>>>
>>
>> No.  I meant the ability to update from a LOCAL .mar file.  See the bug
>> report at  and read
>> the comments, especiall starting at #13.
>>
>> While the bug report itself is closed because the Wiki documentation has
>> been updated, the procedures did not work to update SM 2.1RC1 to
>> SM2.1RC2 using the partial .mar file.  I had expected a new SeaMonkey
>> bug report on this, but none has appeared yet.
>>
> 
> Re-Read my answer.
> 
> The complete.mar works, the partial.mar will give you errors if you 
> don't install certain optional extensions. (in a production version of 
> SeaMonkey that downloads the updates itself, you'll get the complete mar 
> when the partial fails).
> 
> If you did install all optional files, then the partial works.
> 
> I won't be changing the way the partial is generated here.
> 

What are the optional extensions?  I might already have some.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/10/11 10:14 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/10/11 8:04 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/10/2011 8:57 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

Has the Update problem noted in bug #662677 been fixed?  If not, will it
be fixed soon?


The documentation, I am unsure if it is fixed. But you should not need
to worry about that.

If you mean the "Extensions installed on updates..." no it has not been
fixed, will not be for 2.1.

We *may* fix it, but I think the solution will be more of a "mark
extension [x] disabled if you don't want it" rather than "don't stuff
into application folder", since we now push the extensions to the
profile anyway.

Which means that if you install 2.1 from scratch, including these
extensions, run once, and then uninstall, and re-install without the
extensions, you'll then STILL have those extensions in your profile,
since they install to profile on first launch.



No.  I meant the ability to update from a LOCAL .mar file.  See the bug
report at   and read
the comments, especiall starting at #13.

While the bug report itself is closed because the Wiki documentation has
been updated, the procedures did not work to update SM 2.1RC1 to
SM2.1RC2 using the partial .mar file.  I had expected a new SeaMonkey
bug report on this, but none has appeared yet.



Re-Read my answer.

The complete.mar works, the partial.mar will give you errors if you
don't install certain optional extensions. (in a production version of
SeaMonkey that downloads the updates itself, you'll get the complete mar
when the partial fails).

If you did install all optional files, then the partial works.

I won't be changing the way the partial is generated here.



What are the optional extensions?  I might already have some.



In the installer, there is the custom install method.

It lets you chose whether or not to install
* Venkman (JS Debugger)
* Chatzilla
* DOMi (Inspector)
* Debug&QA [pre/alpha/beta builds only]

If those extensions are missing from the *app* dir, the partial you are 
trying to install will fail. But on 2.1 at least, they are installed 
into the profile *from* the app folder, so you may already have them in 
your profile, but that won't affect the success/failure of the partial 
update.


As I said, the complete update will succeed.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[The Planetary Bill of Rights Project]

Sledge Hammer   wrote :

> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
>> release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
>> Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
>> latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
>> acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.
>> 
>> SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
>> Linux. 
>> 
>> Most notably, this release features for the first time:
>> 
>> - Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
>>   across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
>> - Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
>>   giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
>> - An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
>>   suggestions.
>> - The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
>>   passwords and form data.
>> - Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
>>   cookies and survive plugin crashes.
>> 
>> For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
>> What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
>> contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
>> questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
>> screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
>> 
>> 
>> Full news article:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10
>> 
>> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
>> 
>> Release notes:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1
>> 
>> System Requirements:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements
>> 
>> 
>> Robert Kaiser
>> SeaMonkey Council member
> 
> 
> Nice work!
> 
> All we need now is a few non-sucky themes and updated add-ons. But
> overall quite nice. Congratulations to the team and thanks for all the
> hard work. 
> 
> Hammer


Add my ditto to that! Good work people!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David Wilkinson]

Sledge Hammer wrote:

Congratulations to the team and thanks for all the hard work.


Yes indeed.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

d...@kd4e.com schrieb:

Wazzat, please?


Rick Merrill wrote: # The new DoNotTrack HTTP header is supported
(configurable in Preferences).


See http://dnt.mozilla.org/

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

David E. Ross schrieb:

In Windows XP, I requested the properties for the SeaMonkey 2.1
executable seamonkey.exe.  On the Version tab of the Properties window,
I see 3 different version numbers:

*  At the top of the tab, File version: 2.0.1.4176

*  Under "Other version information", File version: 2.0.1

*  Under "Other version information", Product version: 2.1


Yes, that's as expected. What do you want to tell us?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/10/2011 8:56 PM, JD wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:

- Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
- Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
- An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
suggestions.
- The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
passwords and form data.
- Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
cookies and survive plugin crashes.

For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Full news article:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10

Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1

System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey Council member


Can I install it over my current version, 2.0.14?



Yes. (Just note the mention in Release Notes about downgrading BACK to
2.0.14 if that is ever desired)

I can agree to that, while it is possible to go back, it's a process (at least 
on Linux) .


A few related questions:
- is the upgrade from 1.x gone? It was noted as being a conversion feature to be
  removed from 2.1 and later. I ask only because I didn't see a hint to upgrade
  to 2.0.14 then 2.1 if the direct path isn't supported.
- Having SM call itself Firefox solves problems with broken sites, but it will
  result in SM vanishing from browser stats, won't it? Meaning sites are less
  likely to make any effort to support it.
- is 2.1.1pre daily newer or a fork?

Overall a good job, although there is a serious lack of themes. Also a lack of 
documentation of correct generation of themes.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[d...@kd4e.com]

d...@kd4e.com schrieb:

Wazzat, please?


Rick Merrill wrote: # The new DoNotTrack HTTP header is supported
(configurable in Preferences).


See http://dnt.mozilla.org/

Robert Kaiser


Thanks for the link!

"Will companies honor my Do Not Track preference?"

"Companies are starting to support Do Not Track, but you may not notice 
any changes initially. We are actively working with companies that have 
started to implement Do Not Track, with others who have committed to 
doing so soon."


So it doesn't 'block' tracking, it merely posts a flag that says you
would not prefer to be tracked - and relies upon the cooperativeness 
and/or integrity of the company/service/site to honor your request?


This is one of the reasons that I never use google but do my searches
with startpage.com - they don't give the trackers access to search
data from the get-go.

Of course once one is on a site startpage cannot control what happens,
which is where I was hoping this app might have found a way to block -
rather than merely request blocking - of privacy-invasive tracking.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ray_Net]

JD wrote:


Can I install it over my current version, 2.0.14?


I prefer
re-boot without starting SM 2.0.10.
Then copy somewhere the profiles.
go to Add/Remove Programs and remove the SM 2.0.10
Install the new SM 2.1

-
In case of problems ...
re-boot without starting 2.1
go to Add/Remove Programs and remove the SM 2.0.10
remove the current profiles
Copy the previously saved (version 2.0.10) in the current place.
Start the previously downloaded setup file -> SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.10.exe
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/11/11 4:36 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> David E. Ross schrieb:
>> In Windows XP, I requested the properties for the SeaMonkey 2.1
>> executable seamonkey.exe.  On the Version tab of the Properties window,
>> I see 3 different version numbers:
>>
>> *  At the top of the tab, File version: 2.0.1.4176
>>
>> *  Under "Other version information", File version: 2.0.1
>>
>> *  Under "Other version information", Product version: 2.1
> 
> Yes, that's as expected. What do you want to tell us?
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> 
> 

I just wanted to make sure that something was not forgotten when
configuring the installation file.  2.0.1 was also a very early
SeaMonkey 2.0.x.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

- is the upgrade from 1.x gone? It was noted as being a conversion
feature to be removed from 2.1 and later. I ask only because I didn't
see a hint to upgrade to 2.0.14 then 2.1 if the direct path isn't
supported.


SM 1.x used a different update system (you were only notified of updates 
but could not let it automatically download and apply them, not to speak 
of partial update files) so the upgrade path there is to download 2.1 
from the website (or FTP).


The only part that was lost post-2.0 that I know of is the ability to 
migrate download history. See:





- Having SM call itself Firefox solves problems with broken sites,
but it will result in SM vanishing from browser stats, won't it?
Meaning sites are less likely to make any effort to support it.


From my experience, sites haven't made any effort to support it anyway. 
Quite the contrary, sites like Google are now starting to only support 
the last few versions of the major browsers...



- is 2.1.1pre daily newer or a fork?


2.1.1pre is what the 2.1 branch nightlies were called. Generation of 2.0 
and 2.1 nightlies has been stopped, though, since SeaMonkey will join 
the rapid release train with SM 2.2 (coming some time after Firefox 5, 
which is scheduled for June 21).


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Sledge Hammer]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major release
> of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! Building on
> the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the latest developments in
> web technologies such as HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript
> speed.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
> 
> Most notably, this release features for the first time:
> 
> - Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
>   across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
> - Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
>   giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
> - An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
>   suggestions.
> - The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
>   passwords and form data.
> - Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
>   cookies and survive plugin crashes.
> 
> For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the What's New
> in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also contain a list of
> known issues and answers to frequently asked questions. For a more general
> overview of the SeaMonkey project (and screen shots!), visit
> www.seamonkey-project.org.
> 
> 
> Full news article:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10
> 
> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> Release notes:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1
> 
> System Requirements:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements
> 
> 
> Robert Kaiser
> SeaMonkey Council member
Nice work!

All we need now is a few non-sucky themes and updated add-ons. But overall
quite nice. Congratulations to the team and thanks for all the hard work.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Mort]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:

- Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
- Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
- An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
suggestions.
- The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
passwords and form data.
- Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
cookies and survive plugin crashes.

For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Full news article:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10

Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1

System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey Council member

Hi,

The new 2.1 is generally fine. However, instead of clicking on Bookmarks 
and seeing them,  I now get a new format involving several additional 
steps before I can see the bookmarks listed. Is there any way that I can 
have the bookmarks' appearance revert to the older and better method?


Thanks.

Mort Linder
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jane-Galt]

One question: With 2.1, I keep SM as a task bar icon at the bottom of my Win 
7 screen. But since going to the full new release of 2.1 it's been opening 
new task bar icons for everything, all the way on the other side of the task 
bar, instead of keeping everything within that same icon. What setting do I 
need to change to keep all new tabs opened, within the same task bar icon?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Mort]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

David E. Ross schrieb:

In Windows XP, I requested the properties for the SeaMonkey 2.1
executable seamonkey.exe. On the Version tab of the Properties window,
I see 3 different version numbers:

* At the top of the tab, File version: 2.0.1.4176

* Under "Other version information", File version: 2.0.1

* Under "Other version information", Product version: 2.1


Yes, that's as expected. What do you want to tell us?

Robert Kaiser



Hi,

Once more I want to ask you about a problem with 2.1. In the older 
editions, clicking on cookies displayed all of them, and deleting them 
could be done with one further click. Now, in the new 2.1, cookies are 
only displayed by domains, and deletion involves many steps of clicking 
on a domain, and deleting each domain's cookies one at a time. So, I 
sometimes wind up clicking on a hundred times or more to delete cookies, 
whereas with the older system, two clicks sufficed.


Is there any way to get 2.1 to revert to the former and better cookies 
method?


Thank you.

Mort Linder
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/11/11 11:42 AM, Mort wrote:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major
>> release of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now!
>> Building on the same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the
>> latest developments in web technologies such as HTML5, hardware
>> acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.
>>
>> SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and
>> Linux.
>>
>> Most notably, this release features for the first time:
>>
>> - Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
>> across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
>> - Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
>> giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
>> - An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
>> suggestions.
>> - The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
>> passwords and form data.
>> - Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
>> cookies and survive plugin crashes.
>>
>> For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the
>> What's New in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also
>> contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
>> questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
>> screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
>>
>>
>> Full news article:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10
>>
>> Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
>>
>> Release notes:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1
>>
>> System Requirements:
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements
>>
>>
>> Robert Kaiser
>> SeaMonkey Council member
> Hi,
> 
> The new 2.1 is generally fine. However, instead of clicking on Bookmarks 
> and seeing them,  I now get a new format involving several additional 
> steps before I can see the bookmarks listed. Is there any way that I can 
> have the bookmarks' appearance revert to the older and better method?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mort Linder

There were a number of bugs associated with the old design of the
Bookmarks Manager.  The developers chose to resolve those problems by
putting bookmarks into places.sqlite, a database instead of an HTML file.

If you merely want to see your bookmarks (not actually edit them), you
can still create an HTML file.  With Bookmarks Manager open, go to the
menu bar and select [Tools > Export HTML].  Navigate to where you want
to save them.  With multiple profiles, I save them each in its profile
directory.

You can also automate the exporting by setting the preference variable
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML to "true".  This exports every time you
terminate SeaMonkey.  You can do this with about:config, but I prefer
putting
user_pref("browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML", true);
into user.js because I can then add a comment as to what that means and
why I'm doing it.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 11/06/2011 15:54, Jane-Galt told the world:

One question: With 2.1, I keep SM as a task bar icon at the bottom of my Win
7 screen. But since going to the full new release of 2.1 it's been opening
new task bar icons for everything, all the way on the other side of the task
bar, instead of keeping everything within that same icon. What setting do I
need to change to keep all new tabs opened, within the same task bar icon?



Right-click on the OLD taskbar icon, select "unpin."
Right-click on the NEW taskbar icon, select "pin."


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 11/06/2011 02:01, Sledge Hammer told the world:

All we need now is a few non-sucky themes and updated add-ons. But overall
quite nice. Congratulations to the team and thanks for all the hard work.


I'm checking Johannes Schellen's site 
(http://mozilla-themes.schellen.net/) regularly to see if/when he will 
update his Pinball theme.


Meanwhile, overlaying a Personas mini-theme (http://www.getpersonas.com) 
on the default theme can help. Yes, most of them are very "busy," but a 
few are understated and classy. Look at the "abstract" section.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/11/11 12:51 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/11/2011 12:36 PM PT, David E. Ross typed:
> 
>> There were a number of bugs associated with the old design of the
>> Bookmarks Manager.  The developers chose to resolve those problems by
>> putting bookmarks into places.sqlite, a database instead of an HTML file.
> 
> Is this file portable among different OS' like Mac OS X, Windows, and 
> Linux/Debian? That is how I updated my SM2's bookmarks manually.

I don't know if the places.sqlite file is portable.

My recommendation would be to export it to an HTML file, which is ASCII
and should be portable.  You then import it back into places.sqlite on
the other platforms.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jane-Galt]

MCBastos   wrote :

> Interviewed by CNN on 11/06/2011 15:54, Jane-Galt told the world:
>> One question: With 2.1, I keep SM as a task bar icon at the bottom of
>> my Win 7 screen. But since going to the full new release of 2.1 it's
>> been opening new task bar icons for everything, all the way on the
>> other side of the task bar, instead of keeping everything within that
>> same icon. What setting do I need to change to keep all new tabs
>> opened, within the same task bar icon? 
>>
> 
> Right-click on the OLD taskbar icon, select "unpin."
> Right-click on the NEW taskbar icon, select "pin."
> 
> 

Simple as that, huh? 

LOL! 

Thanks!


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

David E. Ross wrote:

I don't know if the places.sqlite file is portable.


It is, at least as long as you use it with the same (SM/platform) version.


My recommendation would be to export it to an HTML file, which is ASCII
and should be portable.  You then import it back into places.sqlite on
the other platforms.


I wouldn't do that. You will lose any information that is stored in 
Places but cannot be stored in bookmarks.html, like tags and favicons 
(and maybe more). It depends whether you need that information, of 
course, and places.sqlite contains more than just bookmarks.


If you really want to exchange just bookmarks but not lose any 
information, either use the JSON export/import (Save/Restore), or Sync.


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Misak Khachatryan]

Ant wrote:

On 6/11/2011 12:36 PM PT, David E. Ross typed:


There were a number of bugs associated with the old design of the
Bookmarks Manager. The developers chose to resolve those problems by
putting bookmarks into places.sqlite, a database instead of an HTML file.


Is this file portable among different OS' like Mac OS X, Windows, and
Linux/Debian? That is how I updated my SM2's bookmarks manually.


With integrated Sync, You shouldn't bother about that. Simply set up 
Your sync account and add devices, and they all will have all You 
cookie, passwords, history and bookmarks in place.


Misak.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 1:55 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed:


I don't know if the places.sqlite file is portable.


It is, at least as long as you use it with the same (SM/platform) version.


Dang. This will be a problem for me since I manually copy my bookmarks 
and other files (addressbooks and mails) between computers' SM2 (do keep 
the same versions updated on all machines). Why is places.sqlite keeping 
specific details like OS'?




My recommendation would be to export it to an HTML file, which is ASCII
and should be portable. You then import it back into places.sqlite on
the other platforms.


I wouldn't do that. You will lose any information that is stored in
Places but cannot be stored in bookmarks.html, like tags and favicons
(and maybe more). It depends whether you need that information, of
course, and places.sqlite contains more than just bookmarks.

If you really want to exchange just bookmarks but not lose any
information, either use the JSON export/import (Save/Restore), or Sync.


I really don't want to use Sync. Oy, export/import sounds more work. Grr.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 4:00 AM PT, Misak Khachatryan typed:


There were a number of bugs associated with the old design of the
Bookmarks Manager. The developers chose to resolve those problems by
putting bookmarks into places.sqlite, a database instead of an HTML
file.


Is this file portable among different OS' like Mac OS X, Windows, and
Linux/Debian? That is how I updated my SM2's bookmarks manually.


With integrated Sync, You shouldn't bother about that. Simply set up
Your sync account and add devices, and they all will have all You
cookie, passwords, history and bookmarks in place.


I am trying to avoid sync account and services. I don't like keep 
personal datas online. :/

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[W3BNR]

On 6/10/2011 7:27 PM Robert Kaiser submitted the following:

The SeaMonkey project is proud to present SeaMonkey 2.1: The new major release
of the all-in-one Internet suite is available for download now! Building on the
same Mozilla platform as Firefox 4, it delivers the latest developments in web
technologies such as HTML5, hardware acceleration and improved JavaScript speed.

SeaMonkey 2.1 is available in 21 languages, for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.

Most notably, this release features for the first time:

- Sync allows you to share your bookmarks, history, passwords and tabs
across different devices (computers) in a secure way.
- Personas let you choose from thousands of easy to install themes,
giving you a more personalized browsing experience.
- An optional search bar gives access to OpenSearch search engines and
suggestions.
- The new Data Manager unifies management of permissions, cookies,
passwords and form data.
- Improved handling of plugins, including the ability to delete Flash
cookies and survive plugin crashes.

For a more complete list of major changes in SeaMonkey 2.1, see the What's New
in SeaMonkey 2.1 section of the Release Notes, which also contain a list of
known issues and answers to frequently asked questions. For a more general
overview of the SeaMonkey project (and screen shots!), visit
www.seamonkey-project.org.


Full news article:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2011-06-10

Downloads for all available platforms and languages:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

Release notes:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1

System Requirements:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.1/system-requirements


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey Council member


My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the latest 
version.  Everything else seems to be working fine for me.


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:


My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.

So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did 
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have 
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but 
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it 
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look 
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)


Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with 
just a change in the maxversion.


If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those 
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:34, Ant told the world:


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should 
fix it.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 9:31 AM PT, MCBastos typed:


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should
fix it.


OK, I will have to wait for SM2.1 upgrade then. I will go e-mail PrefBar 
about this so he can fix it ASAP.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 9:31 AM PT, MCBastos typed:


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should
fix it.


FYI, https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=24096 is already noted.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 13:26, MCBastos told the world:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



Follow-up: DisplayMUA 1.6.6 (even hacking maxversion) is still 
incompatible with SeaMonkey, while a maxversion-hacked 1.6.5 seems to work.


I have hacked versions of the following extensions, which all seem to be 
working:


- Display Mail User Agent 1.6.5
- JSlib 0.1.366
- MailRedirect 0.7.6.3
- PrefBar 5.1.1
- QuoteColors 0.3


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/12/11 9:32 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 9:31 AM PT, MCBastos typed:
> 
>>> Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
>>> on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(
>>
>> The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should
>> fix it.
> 
> OK, I will have to wait for SM2.1 upgrade then. I will go e-mail PrefBar 
> about this so he can fix it ASAP.

I've already submitted a Mozdev bug report on this.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/12/11 9:35 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 9:31 AM PT, MCBastos typed:
> 
>>> Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
>>> on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(
>>
>> The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should
>> fix it.
> 
> FYI, https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=24096 is already noted.

That's mine.  If you read the Description, you will see how to tweak
existing extensions to be compatible with SM 2.1.  Yes, it's a bother;
but I didn't want to wait for the extensions to be updated.

I set the maximum version values to 2.* .

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 10:36 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should
fix it.


FYI, https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=24096 is already noted.


That's mine.  If you read the Description, you will see how to tweak
existing extensions to be compatible with SM 2.1.  Yes, it's a bother;
but I didn't want to wait for the extensions to be updated.

I set the maximum version values to 2.* .


Thanks. I will wait. I have to wait for other extensions too. :/
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[W3BNR]

On 6/12/2011 12:52 PM MCBastos submitted the following:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 13:26, MCBastos told the world:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



Follow-up: DisplayMUA 1.6.6 (even hacking maxversion) is still incompatible with
SeaMonkey, while a maxversion-hacked 1.6.5 seems to work.

I have hacked versions of the following extensions, which all seem to be 
working:

- Display Mail User Agent 1.6.5
- JSlib 0.1.366
- MailRedirect 0.7.6.3
- PrefBar 5.1.1
- QuoteColors 0.3



Great!  I've already deleted the add-ons that don't work with 2.1.
And always installed from the web pages rather than downloading and saving the 
files.  Oh, well - I'll just have to wait for the updates.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[NoOp]

On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:
> 
>> My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
>> latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.
>>
>> So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
>> Download Helper
>> Prefbar
> 
> Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did 
> on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(

Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[NoOp]

On 06/12/2011 11:04 AM, NoOp wrote:
> On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:
>> On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:
>> 
>>> My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
>>> latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.
>>>
>>> So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
>>> Download Helper
>>> Prefbar
>> 
>> Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did 
>> on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(
> 
> Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
> Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1
> 

Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:


  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.0
2.1
  



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/11/11 12:05 PM, Mort wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

David E. Ross schrieb:

In Windows XP, I requested the properties for the SeaMonkey 2.1
executable seamonkey.exe. On the Version tab of the Properties window,
I see 3 different version numbers:

* At the top of the tab, File version: 2.0.1.4176

* Under "Other version information", File version: 2.0.1

* Under "Other version information", Product version: 2.1


Yes, that's as expected. What do you want to tell us?

Robert Kaiser



Hi,

Once more I want to ask you about a problem with 2.1. In the older
editions, clicking on cookies displayed all of them, and deleting them
could be done with one further click. Now, in the new 2.1, cookies are
only displayed by domains, and deletion involves many steps of clicking
on a domain, and deleting each domain's cookies one at a time. So, I
sometimes wind up clicking on a hundred times or more to delete cookies,
whereas with the older system, two clicks sufficed.

Is there any way to get 2.1 to revert to the former and better cookies
method?

Thank you.

Mort Linder


This is part of Bug 658075.  See
.

Unfortunately, I get the impression that the developers do not really
want to change the design.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ray_Net]

W3BNR wrote:

On 6/12/2011 12:52 PM MCBastos submitted the following:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 13:26, MCBastos told the world:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



Follow-up: DisplayMUA 1.6.6 (even hacking maxversion) is still
incompatible with
SeaMonkey, while a maxversion-hacked 1.6.5 seems to work.

I have hacked versions of the following extensions, which all seem to
be working:

- Display Mail User Agent 1.6.5
- JSlib 0.1.366
- MailRedirect 0.7.6.3
- PrefBar 5.1.1
- QuoteColors 0.3



Great! I've already deleted the add-ons that don't work with 2.1.
And always installed from the web pages rather than downloading and
saving the files. Oh, well - I'll just have to wait for the updates.

Downloading and saving the file is always a good idea, if you need to 
revert back to an older version, because old versions are not always 
available on the web.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[JD]

NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 11:04 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:


My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.

So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1



Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
 
 
   
 {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
 2.0
 2.1
   
 




Where is the file located?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[JD]

NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 11:04 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:


My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.

So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1



Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
 
 
   
 {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
 2.0
 2.1
   
 




Never mind. Found it, edited it. Prebar is Back!  8-)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/12/11 10:47 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 10:36 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:
> 
> Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
> on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(

 The release version has maxversion 2.1a3pre. Hacking it to 2.1.x should
 fix it.
>>>
>>> FYI, https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=24096 is already noted.
>>
>> That's mine.  If you read the Description, you will see how to tweak
>> existing extensions to be compatible with SM 2.1.  Yes, it's a bother;
>> but I didn't want to wait for the extensions to be updated.
>>
>> I set the maximum version values to 2.* .
> 
> Thanks. I will wait. I have to wait for other extensions too. :/

I did this tweak for ALL extensions that reported as incompatible.
Since I have four profiles, I had to do this four times for each
extension (except for two that are installed only in one profile).

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> On 06/12/2011 11:04 AM, NoOp wrote:
>>> On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:
 On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:

> My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
> latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.
>
> So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
> Download Helper
> Prefbar

 Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
 on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(
>>>
>>> Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
>>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
>>> Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
>>  
>>  
>>
>>  {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
>>  2.0
>>  2.1
>>
>>  
>>
>>
> 
> Where is the file located?
> 

In your profile.

Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
 (I actually set it to 2.*)

Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
sure to change it for SeaMonkey.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

On 6/12/2011 8:42 AM, Ant wrote:


If you really want to exchange just bookmarks but not lose any
information, either use the JSON export/import (Save/Restore), or Sync.


I really don't want to use Sync. Oy, export/import sounds more work. Grr.


If your concern is privacy for Sync, you *can* use your own server. 
(even a local network server if that suited your fancy).


A bit more work to setup, but far far less work than export/import 
frequently or copying files around.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[PhillipJones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David Wilkinson]

Ant wrote:

Dang. This will be a problem for me since I manually copy my bookmarks
and other files (addressbooks and mails) between computers' SM2 (do keep
the same versions updated on all machines). Why is places.sqlite keeping
specific details like OS'?


Yes, I do this also. I close SM on both machines and SyncToy the profiles.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 1:21 PM PT, Justin Wood (Callek) typed:


If you really want to exchange just bookmarks but not lose any
information, either use the JSON export/import (Save/Restore), or Sync.


I really don't want to use Sync. Oy, export/import sounds more work. Grr.


If your concern is privacy for Sync, you *can* use your own server.
(even a local network server if that suited your fancy).


Oh, so I can use my Linux's Samba sharing and FTP setups? Wait, isn't 
this the same as manual copies that I do with v2.x, v1.x, and previous 
suite products (bookmarks.html, *.mab, mail files, etc.)?




A bit more work to setup, but far far less work than export/import
frequently or copying files around.


Do you have the link so I can read about it before doing it?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jan-Galt]

If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it again?

I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I searched 
and found it had already been done and was higher up in the list somewhere.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 1:55 AM PT, Jens Hatlak typed:


I don't know if the places.sqlite file is portable.


It is, at least as long as you use it with the same (SM/platform)
version.


Dang. This will be a problem for me since I manually copy my bookmarks
and other files (addressbooks and mails) between computers' SM2 (do keep
the same versions updated on all machines). Why is places.sqlite keeping
specific details like OS'?


places.sqlite does not contain OS info (I never said that, quite the 
contrary if you care to re-read my reply). You just need to make sure to 
use it with equal versions (e.g. SM 2.1 and FF 4.0) since major app 
versions may come with updated SQLite version, which may contain 
incompatible changes (like from SM 2.0 to SM 2.1).


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 1:21 PM PT, Justin Wood (Callek) typed:

If your concern is privacy for Sync, you *can* use your own
server. (even a local network server if that suited your fancy).


Oh, so I can use my Linux's Samba sharing and FTP setups?


I never tried it myself, but AFAIK you need a Sync server:



Wait, isn't this the same as manual copies that I do with v2.x, v1.x,
and previous suite products (bookmarks.html, *.mab, mail files,
etc.)?


No, Sync transfers only the changes you make, and you can select what 
should be synced per profile and device (e.g. just sync bookmarks from 
one device, and everything from another).


On top of that, Sync encrypts all data *before* it leaves your client. 
So no-one except you can read it (or technically speaking, only those 
who have the Sync account password and Sync Key), not even Mozilla. 
That's why I see no point in setting up a custom server, but if you're 
really paranoid, you *can*.


That said, Sync is not able to sync address books (yet). Syncing mail is 
pointless, because IMAP is better suited for that. For news and feeds 
there was MailNews Sync, which probably could be made work with newer 
Sync versions again; it just needs some love.


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 2:28 PM PT, Jens Hatlak typed:


No, Sync transfers only the changes you make, and you can select what
should be synced per profile and device (e.g. just sync bookmarks from
one device, and everything from another).

On top of that, Sync encrypts all data *before* it leaves your client.
So no-one except you can read it (or technically speaking, only those
who have the Sync account password and Sync Key), not even Mozilla.
That's why I see no point in setting up a custom server, but if you're
really paranoid, you *can*.

That said, Sync is not able to sync address books (yet). Syncing mail is
pointless, because IMAP is better suited for that. For news and feeds
there was MailNews Sync, which probably could be made work with newer
Sync versions again; it just needs some love.


Ah thank you for the details on how that work. Drats, no address books 
and mail files. Another reason why I do them manually. I only have about 
five files to copy over. :(

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 2:20 PM PT, Jens Hatlak typed:


I don't know if the places.sqlite file is portable.


It is, at least as long as you use it with the same (SM/platform)
version.


Dang. This will be a problem for me since I manually copy my bookmarks
and other files (addressbooks and mails) between computers' SM2 (do keep
the same versions updated on all machines). Why is places.sqlite keeping
specific details like OS'?


places.sqlite does not contain OS info (I never said that, quite the
contrary if you care to re-read my reply). You just need to make sure to
use it with equal versions (e.g. SM 2.1 and FF 4.0) since major app
versions may come with updated SQLite version, which may contain
incompatible changes (like from SM 2.0 to SM 2.1).


Ah. So I should have no problems to do manual copies if I keep all my 
SM2 the same versions (e.g., v2.1.0) which I already do with previous 
versions. I usually synchronize my data files on every PCs and then 
upgrade SM2.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

Jan-Galt wrote:

If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it again?


Yes.


I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I searched
and found it had already been done and was higher up in the list somewhere.


At the end of the location bar, there's now a bookmark indicator. If the 
current page has been bookmarked, it turns green. If you click it then, 
it shows you where the bookmark is (and offers a few more options). If 
the current page has not been bookmarked, it turns grey, and clicking it 
then will just bookmark the page silently (under Unsorted Bookmarks).


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[NoOp]

On 06/12/2011 02:31 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 2:28 PM PT, Jens Hatlak typed:
> 
>> No, Sync transfers only the changes you make, and you can select what
>> should be synced per profile and device (e.g. just sync bookmarks from
>> one device, and everything from another).
>>
>> On top of that, Sync encrypts all data *before* it leaves your client.
>> So no-one except you can read it (or technically speaking, only those
>> who have the Sync account password and Sync Key), not even Mozilla.
>> That's why I see no point in setting up a custom server, but if you're
>> really paranoid, you *can*.
>>
>> That said, Sync is not able to sync address books (yet). Syncing mail is
>> pointless, because IMAP is better suited for that. For news and feeds
>> there was MailNews Sync, which probably could be made work with newer
>> Sync versions again; it just needs some love.
> 
> Ah thank you for the details on how that work. Drats, no address books 
> and mail files. Another reason why I do them manually. I only have about 
> five files to copy over. :(

ssh rsync (or grsync)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Ant]

On 6/12/2011 3:15 PM PT, NoOp typed:


Ah thank you for the details on how that work. Drats, no address books
and mail files. Another reason why I do them manually. I only have about
five files to copy over. :(


ssh rsync (or grsync)


Yeah, I know. Earlier, I thought the new bookmarks file format was not 
compatible between PCs and OS'.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[W3BNR]

On 6/12/2011 4:01 PM David E. Ross submitted the following:

On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 11:04 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:


My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.

So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1



Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
  
  

  {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
  2.0
  2.1

  




Where is the file located?



In your profile.

Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
  (I actually set it to 2.*)

Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
sure to change it for SeaMonkey.



But, if you removed the add-on via Tools/add-on manager the directory that 
housed that extension will be empty.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jan-Galt]

Jens Hatlak   wrote :

> Jan-Galt wrote:
>> If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it
>> again? 
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
>> and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I
>> searched and found it had already been done and was higher up in the
>> list somewhere. 
> 
> At the end of the location bar, there's now a bookmark indicator. If the
> current page has been bookmarked, it turns green. If you click it then, 
> it shows you where the bookmark is (and offers a few more options). If 
> the current page has not been bookmarked, it turns grey, and clicking it
> then will just bookmark the page silently (under Unsorted Bookmarks).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Jens
> 

Wow, sophisticated. :-)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[JD]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 11:04 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 06/12/2011 08:34 AM, Ant wrote:

On 6/12/2011 8:14 AM PT, W3BNR typed:


My favorite add-ons are not up-to-date for 2.1, but I'll stay with the
latest version. Everything else seems to be working fine for me.

So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar


Are you saying Prefbar extension doesn't work in v2.1? I thought it did
on its home page. It must be for the prereleases then. :(


Prefbar 5.1.1 works just fine for me.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1) Gecko/20110608
Firefox/4.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.1



Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
  
  

  {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
  2.0
  2.1

  




Where is the file located?



In your profile.

Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
  (I actually set it to 2.*)

Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
sure to change it for SeaMonkey.



Worked for each of them!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[NoOp]

On 06/12/2011 03:53 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 4:01 PM David E. Ross submitted the following:
>> On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
...
 Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
   
   
 
   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   2.1
 
   


>>>
>>> Where is the file located?
>>>
>>
>> In your profile.
>>
>> Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
>> instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
>>   (I actually set it to 2.*)
>>
>> Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
>> different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
>> sure to change it for SeaMonkey.
>>
> 
> But, if you removed the add-on via Tools/add-on manager the directory that 
> housed that extension will be empty.
> 

You can redownload the xpi here without
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
the xpi & when it fails it may expand into the proper folder & then
modify the install.rdf.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Chris Ilias]

On 11-06-12 3:57 PM, JD wrote:

NoOp wrote:


Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:



{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.0
2.1




Never mind. Found it, edited it. Prebar is Back! 8-)


Just remember which ones you've hacked. Too many people run into 
problems later on, having forgot that they hacked the install.rdf 
themselves.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 17:35, PhillipJones told the world:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.


Actually, it's possible to do exactly the same things QuoteColors do by 
editing the preferences. I remember doing that in the old, old days of 
Mozilla Suite 1.0. But it's a lot of work.


As has been said: For many extensions, making them work in SM 2.1 is 
just a matter of editing the maxversion in the install.rdf file. I 
happen to have done so for a few extensions, but I don't have a website 
to make them available. The best I can do is to offer them to Philip 
Chee, since I don't think this group allows binaries.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[NoOp]

On 06/12/2011 05:25 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 11-06-12 3:57 PM, JD wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
>>> 2.0
>>> 2.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>> Never mind. Found it, edited it. Prebar is Back! 8-)
> 
> Just remember which ones you've hacked. Too many people run into 
> problems later on, having forgot that they hacked the install.rdf 
> themselves.
> 

I do & very good point. That is also why in this case I don't use
2.* and only use
2.1. For 2.2 I use a different profile &
then modify only to the version that I'm testing.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[W3BNR]

On 6/12/2011 7:58 PM NoOp submitted the following:

On 06/12/2011 03:53 PM, W3BNR wrote:

On 6/12/2011 4:01 PM David E. Ross submitted the following:

On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:

NoOp wrote:

...

Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
   
   
 
   {92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
   2.0
   2.1
 
   




Where is the file located?



In your profile.

Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
   (I actually set it to 2.*)

Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
sure to change it for SeaMonkey.



But, if you removed the add-on via Tools/add-on manager the directory that
housed that extension will be empty.



You can redownload the xpi here without
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
the xpi&  when it fails it may expand into the proper folder&  then
modify the install.rdf.



Ah, yes - I didn't realize that a re-install, even though it failed, would leave 
the load intact.  Downloaded the .xpi, went to the directory, changed the .rdf 
file and - viola - a restart of SM showed the add-on now works.

(This with the Show IP add-on)  Others will be tried tomorrow.  Thanks.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[NoOp]

On 06/12/2011 07:00 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 7:58 PM NoOp submitted the following:
>...
>> You can redownload the xpi here without
>> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
>> An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
>> rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
>> the xpi&  when it fails it may expand into the proper folder&  then
>> modify the install.rdf.
>>
> 
> Ah, yes - I didn't realize that a re-install, even though it failed, would 
> leave 
> the load intact.  Downloaded the .xpi, went to the directory, changed the 
> .rdf 
> file and - viola - a restart of SM showed the add-on now works.
> (This with the Show IP add-on)  Others will be tried tomorrow.  Thanks.
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/12/11 2:19 PM, Jan-Galt wrote:
> If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it again?
> 
> I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
> and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I searched 
> and found it had already been done and was higher up in the list somewhere.
> 

Open the Bookmarks Manager.  Navigate to where you want the second
instance of a bookmark.  This should be in the right-hand pane.  Then
drag from the address area (URI bar) or a tab and drop into the desired
location, again in the right-hand pane.

With duplicate bookmarks, you should assign a unique tag -- the same tag
-- to both.  Then, if you update one, the update will apply to both.  If
you then delete one, both might be deleted; but I'm not sure about this.

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posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[David E. Ross]

On 6/12/11 7:00 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 7:58 PM NoOp submitted the following:
>> On 06/12/2011 03:53 PM, W3BNR wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2011 4:01 PM David E. Ross submitted the following:
 On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> ...
>> Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:
>>
>>
>>  
>>{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
>>2.0
>>2.1
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>
> Where is the file located?
>

 In your profile.

 Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
 instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
(I actually set it to 2.*)

 Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
 different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
 sure to change it for SeaMonkey.

>>>
>>> But, if you removed the add-on via Tools/add-on manager the directory that
>>> housed that extension will be empty.
>>>
>>
>> You can redownload the xpi here without
>> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
>> An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
>> rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
>> the xpi&  when it fails it may expand into the proper folder&  then
>> modify the install.rdf.
>>
> 
> Ah, yes - I didn't realize that a re-install, even though it failed, would 
> leave 
> the load intact.  Downloaded the .xpi, went to the directory, changed the 
> .rdf 
> file and - viola - a restart of SM showed the add-on now works.
> (This with the Show IP add-on)  Others will be tried tomorrow.  Thanks.
> 

I just tried an experiment.  I opened WinZip.  I dragged a PrefBar .xpi
file into the empty WinZip window.  Seeing install.rdf, I viewed it with
Wordpad.  I was able to edit install.rdf and save the result back into
the .xpi file.  All this worked without actually extracting install.rdf
and then rezipping it after editing.

I don't know if other zip applications will work this way, and I don't
know if any of this can be done on non-Windows platforms.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[W3BNR]

On 6/12/2011 11:04 PM NoOp submitted the following:

On 06/12/2011 07:00 PM, W3BNR wrote:

On 6/12/2011 7:58 PM NoOp submitted the following:
...

You can redownload the xpi here without
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
the xpi&   when it fails it may expand into the proper folder&   then
modify the install.rdf.



Ah, yes - I didn't realize that a re-install, even though it failed, would leave
the load intact.  Downloaded the .xpi, went to the directory, changed the .rdf
file and - viola - a restart of SM showed the add-on now works.
(This with the Show IP add-on)  Others will be tried tomorrow.  Thanks.



Welcome.


The following add-on rdf files were modified per instructions and now work with 
SM 2.1 :


* BetterPrivacy 1.51 (http://netticat.ath.cx/extensions.html)
* DownloadHelper 4.8.6 (http://www.downloadhelper.net)
* Image Zoom 0.4.6 (http://imagezoom.yellowgorilla.net/)
* Password Exporter 1.2.1 (http://passwordexporter.fligtar.com)
* PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/)
* Quote Colors 0.3 (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/)
* ShowIP 1.0 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/)

Thanks to all who offered the suggestion to modify the .rdf files.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

Ant schrieb:

I am trying to avoid sync account and services. I don't like keep
personal datas online. :/


Not even in a way that nobody else can read? Because that's what our 
Sync is, not even the server operators can read the data as they don't 
have the necessary keys, which always remain only on your side of the 
connection.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

Ant schrieb:

I really don't want to use Sync.


For what reason? Note that all data sent to a server by Sync is not 
readable by the server or its operators as it's encrypted on the client 
side and the private key is never sent to the server. Of course, as we 
are an open organization, you can set up your own server as well, of 
course, Mozilla even provides a version for you to install.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:10:22 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 6/12/11 2:19 PM, Jan-Galt wrote:
>> If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it again?
>> 
>> I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
>> and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I searched 
>> and found it had already been done and was higher up in the list somewhere.
>> 
> 
> Open the Bookmarks Manager.  Navigate to where you want the second
> instance of a bookmark.  This should be in the right-hand pane.  Then
> drag from the address area (URI bar) or a tab and drop into the desired
> location, again in the right-hand pane.
> 
> With duplicate bookmarks, you should assign a unique tag -- the same tag
> -- to both.  Then, if you update one, the update will apply to both.  If
> you then delete one, both might be deleted; but I'm not sure about this.

A bookmark is only deleted if all duplicates are deleted. Just like
hard-links in linux directories.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:35:12 -0400, PhillipJones wrote:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:
>>
>>> So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
>>> Download Helper
>>> Prefbar
>>> Quote Colors
>>> Show IP
>>> Mail User Agent
>>
>> I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
>> been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
>> wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
>> seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
>> at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)
>>
>> Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
>> just a change in the maxversion.
>>
>> If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
>> and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1
>>
> 
> I'll vote for QuoteColors.
> 
> Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.

Sure! Send them all to me.

Thanks.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 13/06/2011 12:56, Philip Chee told the world:


Sure! Send them all to me.

Thanks.


OK, the set of Display MUA + JSlib + QuoteColors + MailRedirect + 
PrefBar should be hitting your mailbox right now.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jan-Galt]

"David E. Ross"   wrote :

> On 6/12/11 2:19 PM, Jan-Galt wrote:
>> If I already have something bookmarked, does 2.1 refuse to bookmark it
>> again? 
>> 
>> I tried to bookmark http://denver.ebayclassifieds.com/
>> and it wouldn't add it to the bottom of the list like usual, so I
>> searched and found it had already been done and was higher up in the
>> list somewhere. 
>> 
> 
> Open the Bookmarks Manager.  Navigate to where you want the second
> instance of a bookmark.  This should be in the right-hand pane.  Then
> drag from the address area (URI bar) or a tab and drop into the desired
> location, again in the right-hand pane.
> 
> With duplicate bookmarks, you should assign a unique tag -- the same tag
> -- to both.  Then, if you update one, the update will apply to both.  If
> you then delete one, both might be deleted; but I'm not sure about this.
> 

Didn't really want a duplicate, just didn't know I already had it. That green 
marker will be handy. Thanks!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.


I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted sections 
so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand the quotes if 
needed, of course.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 6/12/2011 8:42 AM, Ant wrote:


If you really want to exchange just bookmarks but not lose any
information, either use the JSON export/import (Save/Restore), or Sync.


I really don't want to use Sync. Oy, export/import sounds more work. Grr.


If your concern is privacy for Sync, you *can* use your own server.
(even a local network server if that suited your fancy).

Doing something which fails if the network fails, if the server fails, or if 
some client or network has a bug which scrambles the data on the server seems to 
be a problem for some people. There is value to controlling all of the risk 
factors yourself.



A bit more work to setup, but far far less work than export/import
frequently or copying files around.

I'm at least going to look into that myself, but would probably run my own 
server, depending on how well I can back up the data on yours.



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I really don't want to use Sync.


For what reason? Note that all data sent to a server by Sync is not
readable by the server or its operators as it's encrypted on the client
side and the private key is never sent to the server. Of course, as we
are an open organization, you can set up your own server as well, of
course, Mozilla even provides a version for you to install.

Security is not a major issue, at least for most people, but depending on the 
network and someone else' servers for backup (and rollback if needed) might be. 
If I understand the limitations on version compatibility between machines, that 
might be an issue as well.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/12/11 7:00 PM, W3BNR wrote:

On 6/12/2011 7:58 PM NoOp submitted the following:

On 06/12/2011 03:53 PM, W3BNR wrote:

On 6/12/2011 4:01 PM David E. Ross submitted the following:

On 6/12/11 12:39 PM, JD wrote:

NoOp wrote:

...

Sorry, forgot to mention that I had modified install.rdf:


  
{92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a}
2.0
2.1
  





Where is the file located?



In your profile.

Find the extensions directory.  Do a search in that directory for all
instances of install.rdf.  Edit all of them to set em:maxVersion to 2.1.
(I actually set it to 2.*)

Be careful.  Some extensions have different em:maxVersion values for
different applications.  If there is more than one em:maxVersion, be
sure to change it for SeaMonkey.



But, if you removed the add-on via Tools/add-on manager the directory that
housed that extension will be empty.



You can redownload the xpi here without
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/addons/67148/
An xpi is a zip archive, so you could unzip, modify the install.rdf,
rezip and install that way if you wanted to. Or just try installing from
the xpi&   when it fails it may expand into the proper folder&   then
modify the install.rdf.



Ah, yes - I didn't realize that a re-install, even though it failed, would leave
the load intact.  Downloaded the .xpi, went to the directory, changed the .rdf
file and - viola - a restart of SM showed the add-on now works.
(This with the Show IP add-on)  Others will be tried tomorrow.  Thanks.



I just tried an experiment.  I opened WinZip.  I dragged a PrefBar .xpi
file into the empty WinZip window.  Seeing install.rdf, I viewed it with
Wordpad.  I was able to edit install.rdf and save the result back into
the .xpi file.  All this worked without actually extracting install.rdf
and then rezipping it after editing.

I think you you mean "manually extracting..." here, extracting and update still 
need to be done to make the checksums correct.



I don't know if other zip applications will work this way, and I don't
know if any of this can be done on non-Windows platforms.




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[PhillipJones]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.



I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide 
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long  and 
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove  chrome 
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Daniel]

PhillipJones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months
but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work
with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of
those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.



I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.


I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.



Phillip, what you describe (screen wide, 2inch high bar at bottom of 
browser screen) reminds me of a screen that I used to get, back in Moz 
suite days, because one or other of the extensions I had installed 
wouldn't work for the version of Moz I had installed.


Could this be your problem now??

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Robert Kaiser]

Bill Davidsen schrieb:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ant schrieb:

I really don't want to use Sync.


For what reason? Note that all data sent to a server by Sync is not
readable by the server or its operators as it's encrypted on the client
side and the private key is never sent to the server. Of course, as we
are an open organization, you can set up your own server as well, of
course, Mozilla even provides a version for you to install.


Security is not a major issue, at least for most people, but depending
on the network and someone else' servers for backup (and rollback if
needed) might be. If I understand the limitations on version
compatibility between machines, that might be an issue as well.


Note that Sync does not change that your bookmarks, history, passwords, 
tabs are _primarily_ stored *on your own computer, in your profile*.
It just backs up all of those in an encrypted form on the Sync server 
(by default a Mozilla server) and *synchronizes* your local changes with 
this "backup" if you will, as well as any other connected machines with 
the backup.
And I think that for many people, privacy actually is an issue, esp. 
when it comes to what websites they have visited when, or their passwords.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[PhillipJones]

Daniel wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2011 12:14, W3BNR told the world:


So I'll be waiting for the updates to:
Download Helper
Prefbar
Quote Colors
Show IP
Mail User Agent


I wouldn't hold my breath for Display Mail User-Agent, it seems to
have
been abandoned -- version 1.6.6 had problems in Seamonkey for months
but
wasn't fixed. But I managed to update the maxversion in 1.6.5. and it
seem to work OK in SM 2.1. (Now that 2.1 is final, I might have a look
at 1.6.6 again, since it seemed to work in Thunderbird...)

Quote Colors is in a similar situation, but again, it seems to work
with
just a change in the maxversion.

If Philip Chee is interested, I can mail him my hacked versions of
those
and a couple other extensions that seem to be working fine in SM 2.1



I'll vote for QuoteColors.

Without QuoteColors I simply could not read emails and Newsgroups.



I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.


I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.



Phillip, what you describe (screen wide, 2inch high bar at bottom of
browser screen) reminds me of a screen that I used to get, back in Moz
suite days, because one or other of the extensions I had installed
wouldn't work for the version of Moz I had installed.

Could this be your problem now??

well I had that problem on All SM1.x versions and even tried on SM when 
it first came out with same result. the only cure was remove it them 
remove certain chrome files and let them rebuild of couse by doing so 
you had reinstall all your extensions. IN SM2 I tried it first. so I 
didn't have to remove much.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs 
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue 
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found 
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where 
that leads.


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

PhillipJones wrote:


I have QuoteCollapse which does both colors and collapses long quoted
sections so I can read the most recent (current) comments. And expand
the quotes if needed, of course.


I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.

I can only say that the version I have works on 2.0.14, and I'm really happy to 
have it. I will try an install on 2.1 as I upgrade something.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Glen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where
that leads.


I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier
to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually
WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others
staying with old versions because they can't or won't?

When the SM version is > than the specified max in the install.rtf
wouldn't it be nice to have a pop-up asking something like
Your version of Seamonkey is newer than the add-on is know to support
try install anyway? [TRY] [CANCEL]

Just my ten cents worth...



That's a brilliant idea!! You can remove my post as well. :)
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where
that leads.


I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier to 
provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually WORKS 
instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others staying with 
old versions because they can't or won't?


When the SM version is > than the specified max in the install.rtf wouldn't it 
be nice to have a pop-up asking something like

  Your version of Seamonkey is newer than the add-on is know to support
try install anyway? [TRY]  [CANCEL]

Just my ten cents worth...


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[PhillipJones]

Glen wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

PhillipJones wrote:

I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide
bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2" long and
width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome
file (which I have forgotten which file with SM off and the restart.


I'm using QuoteCollapse 0.8 without much of a problem (needs
compatibility checks deactivated at least for SM 2.1, though). The issue
you describe (broken MailNews status bar) sounds similar to what I found
with Mailbox Alert, though. I've contacted the author; let's see where
that leads.


I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier
to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually
WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others
staying with old versions because they can't or won't?

When the SM version is > than the specified max in the install.rtf
wouldn't it be nice to have a pop-up asking something like
Your version of Seamonkey is newer than the add-on is know to support
try install anyway? [TRY] [CANCEL]

Just my ten cents worth...



That's a brilliant idea!! You can remove my post as well. :)


Why should the suggestion get you thrown off. The most they could say 
your crazier than a Betsy bug! (Old saying in my area.)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Jens Hatlak]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier
to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually
WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others
staying with old versions because they can't or won't?


First of all, I don't see why anyone would kill a post with such content.

The situation with SM regarding incompatible extensions can be 
summarized as follows: First, there are two (10 ;-)) kind of extensions: 
Those that declare compatibility with at least some version of SM (let's 
call them "used to work"), and those that don't (let's call them 
"unsupported").


For extensions that used to work (like QuoteCollapse), you can simply 
install the Add-on Compatibility Reporter from AMO. It is currently 
compatible with all SM versions from 2.1 (stable) through 2.4a1 (trunk). 
This has the added benefit over simply setting the compatibility prefs 
yourself (which you don't have to remember to set anymore!) that you can 
let the extension authors know that their versions still work with the 
SM version you are using.


Unsupported extensions however are different. They cannot be installed 
or enabled in SM at all unless you hack their install.rdf (or someone 
releases a new, supported version of course). Sometimes that's 
unfortunate since the author just "blindly" removed SM support from 
install.rdf, but it certainly is the safest thing to do as a default. To 
my knowledge, there is no extension that automatically hacks install.rdf 
for you (which, in the case of a download/install, would have to happen 
in between the download and the install!).


The system, as outlined above, is part of the Mozilla platform (i.e. 
shared with Firefox). Consequently, any change to it needs to be made to 
the platform code, which is under Firefox development ruling. I'd assume 
that any request regarding install.rdf hacking (even pref-guarded) would 
be turned down, so I wouldn't bother trying.


HTH

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[get-funky.dig]

CONGRATULATIONS, Seamonkey development crew, and contributing community 
members. Your extraordinary work is certainly appreciated.

I am proud to be a Seamonkey User.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

[Bill Davidsen]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier
to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually
WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others
staying with old versions because they can't or won't?


First of all, I don't see why anyone would kill a post with such content.

The situation with SM regarding incompatible extensions can be
summarized as follows: First, there are two (10 ;-)) kind of extensions:
Those that declare compatibility with at least some version of SM (let's
call them "used to work"), and those that don't (let's call them
"unsupported").

For extensions that used to work (like QuoteCollapse), you can simply
install the Add-on Compatibility Reporter from AMO. It is currently
compatible with all SM versions from 2.1 (stable) through 2.4a1 (trunk).
This has the added benefit over simply setting the compatibility prefs
yourself (which you don't have to remember to set anymore!) that you can
let the extension authors know that their versions still work with the
SM version you are using.

Unsupported extensions however are different. They cannot be installed
or enabled in SM at all unless you hack their install.rdf (or someone
releases a new, supported version of course). Sometimes that's
unfortunate since the author just "blindly" removed SM support from
install.rdf, but it certainly is the safest thing to do as a default. To
my knowledge, there is no extension that automatically hacks install.rdf
for you (which, in the case of a download/install, would have to happen
in between the download and the install!).

The system, as outlined above, is part of the Mozilla platform (i.e.
shared with Firefox). Consequently, any change to it needs to be made to
the platform code, which is under Firefox development ruling. I'd assume
that any request regarding install.rdf hacking (even pref-guarded) would
be turned down, so I wouldn't bother trying.

Currently there is a compatibility check which can be disabled, but setting it 
doesn't disable compatibility checking! That's kind of a waste. There was (is) 
also another check disable, which I can't find quickly in my notes, something like:

  extensions.checkCompatibility.2.1
or similar, which actually did something, but doesn't seem to any more (which is 
why I don't have it enabled currently). If there were a config to ignore 
compatibility checking beyond the first (major) number, it would at least give 
people a chance to try things.


I assume that the reason people work on Seamonkey is because they want people to 
use it, therefore an option to disable at least some of the checks would be 
really useful. This *is* use at your own risk software, and an option is WAY 
safer than having users fiddling inside install.rdf.


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taken the first step. The steps are many, but finite in number, and if
we persevere we will reach our destination.  -me, 2010


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