Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

[NFN Smith]

NFN Smith wrote:


I honestly don't know where I saw that you could just use the number 
keys to toggle tags without going through the menu.  I've been using 
them for a long time as a quick way to toggle tags on messages in the 
thread/message panes of the main window, or from a separate message window. 



Now that I think of it, I don't know where I found that, either. 
There's no indication of keyboard shortcuts in Message -> Tag.



I happened to be looking at Thunderbird, and there Message -> Tag does 
show the keyboard shortcuts.  I don't know why that's in Thunderbird, 
but not Seamonkey.


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Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

[NFN Smith]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:




If you look on the Message > Tag menu (in the main window), there is a 
number next to each tag.  Although it looks like just the key to select 
the option from the menu, you can also use it as a separate shortcut key 
to add/remove the tag from a message (like how "M" toggles read/unread 
status).  e.g. with the default set of tags, pressing "1" will 
add/remove the red "Important" tag on selected messages, pressing "2" 
will add/remove the orange "Work" tag, etc.  Only the first 9 tags get 
shortcut keys (1 to 9) - I just added a few more tags to confirm last 
night's guess since I don't usually have that many.


It's definitely possible to give a message multiple tags, although in 
the display of message summaries, only the lowest-numbered color is visible.


Also, pressing 0 will clear all tags.



I honestly don't know where I saw that you could just use the number 
keys to toggle tags without going through the menu.  I've been using 
them for a long time as a quick way to toggle tags on messages in the 
thread/message panes of the main window, or from a separate message window.


Now that I think of it, I don't know where I found that, either. 
There's no indication of keyboard shortcuts in Message -> Tag.


One minor annoyance is that tag descriptions are global, and for me, for 
certain folders, the scheme that I use is specific to the folder.  I've 
learned to simply accept that, where I know what I mean by a certain 
tag, even if the displayed name doesn't reflect that. Maybe something 
for an extension, but I doubt if anybody will ever do that.




As far as I can tell, you can only apply the first 9 tags from the 
advanced search results, since they're the only ones with shortcut keys 
(1 to 9) and the menus aren't available there.  So if you want to be 
able to apply your frequently-used custom tags from the advanced search 
results, they need to be in the first 9 tags, and you need to remember 
which numbers they are to use the shortcuts.  You can change the order 
of existing tags at Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Tags or 
Message > Tag > Customise (select a tag and use the Raise/Lower 
Importance buttons).


That's correct.  See above.

I do make a little bit of use of tagging with filters.  For my Inbox, I 
have a filter that assigns the 1 tag ("Urgent") to messages that the 
sender has set Priority: to be urgent.  Although use of the Priority: 
header is now mostly passe', it's still useful to get my attention if 
the sender has taken the effort to designate a message as urgent.


For newsgroups, I have also a filter that flags with a 4 tag (where I've 
renamed the flag as "Mine") so that I can easily see messages I've 
contributed, or if the thread is collapsed, which threads I've 
contributed to.  I also subscribe to a bunch of mailing lists, where I 
keep a lot of the back traffic in list-specific folders, and I do the 
same thing with that traffic.



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Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Richard Owlett wrote:

On 08/20/2020 10:35 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

...

SECOND problem.
When searching a directory for key words in subject line [with 
perhaps a date boundary], I'll get a dozen or more hits that have to 
tagged individually.
I would like to tag or mark as un-read all the hits the search has 
found.


Ctrl+A selects all messages,


Understood.


or you can hold Ctrl to select multiple specific messages


I use that routinely in anothewr context.


or Shift to select a range of messages.


I do not understand that phrase.


You can click on one message in the list, then hold the Shift key while 
clicking on another message.  The two messages clicked and all messages 
in between will be selected.  If you use Ctrl to select multiple items 
in other contexts, you'll probably find you can use Shift there too.



*HOWEVER*, the two preceding options seem to cover ALL my needs.


Then the shortcuts to toggle read/unread (M) or tags (1, 2, 3, etc.)
affect all selected messages.


I think I understand using "M" to toggle read/unread.



This works from within the thread pane (e.g. if filtered using the 
search bar), in which case the menus can also be used, and also from 
the advanced search dialog, although the menus aren't available there 
so you need to know the relevant keyboard shortcuts.  You can use the 
menus from the main window to work out what the shortcuts are, e.g. 
Message > Tag to see which number corresponds to which tag.  I'm not 
sure whether you get shortcuts for tags beyond the first 9, so you 
might need to order them so that your frequently used tags come within 
the first 9 to ensure there are shortcuts for them.


That paragraph [PLUS toggling tags] I do *NOT* GROK.
What should I have read that I do not recall ever having seen ;/


Sorry, I was a bit too brief with that (lack of) explanation!

If you look on the Message > Tag menu (in the main window), there is a 
number next to each tag.  Although it looks like just the key to select 
the option from the menu, you can also use it as a separate shortcut key 
to add/remove the tag from a message (like how "M" toggles read/unread 
status).  e.g. with the default set of tags, pressing "1" will 
add/remove the red "Important" tag on selected messages, pressing "2" 
will add/remove the orange "Work" tag, etc.  Only the first 9 tags get 
shortcut keys (1 to 9) - I just added a few more tags to confirm last 
night's guess since I don't usually have that many.


I honestly don't know where I saw that you could just use the number 
keys to toggle tags without going through the menu.  I've been using 
them for a long time as a quick way to toggle tags on messages in the 
thread/message panes of the main window, or from a separate message window.


If you've used the search bar in the main window, the results are shown 
in the main thread pane and you can access the menus (Message > Tag, 
etc.) or use the keyboard shortcuts.  If you've used the advanced search 
(Tools > Search Messages or "Advanced" button on the search bar), the 
menus are not available, but the keyboard shortcuts still work if you 
know them.  I'm not sure that I saw that documented anywhere; probably 
just tried it and found it works, or used the shortcuts in the advanced 
search results without even thinking about it since I use them quite a 
lot anyway.


As far as I can tell, you can only apply the first 9 tags from the 
advanced search results, since they're the only ones with shortcut keys 
(1 to 9) and the menus aren't available there.  So if you want to be 
able to apply your frequently-used custom tags from the advanced search 
results, they need to be in the first 9 tags, and you need to remember 
which numbers they are to use the shortcuts.  You can change the order 
of existing tags at Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Tags or 
Message > Tag > Customise (select a tag and use the Raise/Lower 
Importance buttons).



I've been acound since Communicator days 


I don't go back quite that far.  Started using Mozilla Suite around 
2003, and then switched to SeaMonkey when Mozilla split the suite into 
Firefox and Thunderbird.


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*THANK YOU* {w/followup ;} -- Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

[Richard Owlett]

On 08/20/2020 10:35 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

SeaMonkey can already perform the required tasks.
But it clashes with desired workflow.

I make extensive use of custom tags .
The two most used tags are for:
   1. color coding the subject line of messages I wrote.
   2. a general tag for things I find to be of long-term interest.
Under "View:" my standard is to display all subject lines:
   associated with the second tag above
   or
   marked as unread

FIRST problem.
When a specific view is selected, SeaMonkey defaults to expanding the 
view in the "Thread" pane. As the purpose of the second tag is 
_long-term_ interest I have to scroll a long way to see today's posts.

Is there any way to collapse *ALL* threads?
[Collapsing individually is inconvenient.]


View > Threads > Collapse All Threads, or backslash (\) on the keyboard.


Using "backslash (\) on the keyboard" will be as close to perfect a 
solution as humanly possible. I'll just have to retrain myself ;/





SECOND problem.
When searching a directory for key words in subject line [with perhaps 
a date boundary], I'll get a dozen or more hits that have to tagged 
individually.

I would like to tag or mark as un-read all the hits the search has found.


Ctrl+A selects all messages,


Understood.


or you can hold Ctrl to select multiple specific messages


I use that routinely in anothewr context.


or Shift to select a range of messages.


I do not understand that phrase.
*HOWEVER*, the two preceding options seem to cover ALL my needs.


Then the shortcuts to toggle read/unread (M) or tags (1, 2, 3, etc.)
affect all selected messages.


I think I understand using "M" to toggle read/unread.



This works from within the thread pane (e.g. if filtered using the 
search bar), in which case the menus can also be used, and also from the 
advanced search dialog, although the menus aren't available there so you 
need to know the relevant keyboard shortcuts.  You can use the menus 
from the main window to work out what the shortcuts are, e.g. Message > 
Tag to see which number corresponds to which tag.  I'm not sure whether 
you get shortcuts for tags beyond the first 9, so you might need to 
order them so that your frequently used tags come within the first 9 to 
ensure there are shortcuts for them.


That paragraph [PLUS toggling tags] I do *NOT* GROK.
What should I have read that I do not recall ever having seen ;/

I've been acound since Communicator days 



The un_satisfactory option SeaMonkey provides of creating a "saved 
search" for later display is inconvenient.





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Re: Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Richard Owlett wrote:

SeaMonkey can already perform the required tasks.
But it clashes with desired workflow.

I make extensive use of custom tags .
The two most used tags are for:
   1. color coding the subject line of messages I wrote.
   2. a general tag for things I find to be of long-term interest.
Under "View:" my standard is to display all subject lines:
   associated with the second tag above
   or
   marked as unread

FIRST problem.
When a specific view is selected, SeaMonkey defaults to expanding the 
view in the "Thread" pane. As the purpose of the second tag is 
_long-term_ interest I have to scroll a long way to see today's posts.

Is there any way to collapse *ALL* threads?
[Collapsing individually is inconvenient.]


View > Threads > Collapse All Threads, or backslash (\) on the keyboard.


SECOND problem.
When searching a directory for key words in subject line [with perhaps a 
date boundary], I'll get a dozen or more hits that have to tagged 
individually.

I would like to tag or mark as un-read all the hits the search has found.


Ctrl+A selects all messages, or you can hold Ctrl to select multiple 
specific messages or Shift to select a range of messages.  Then the 
shortcuts to toggle read/unread (M) or tags (1, 2, 3, etc.) affect all 
selected messages.


This works from within the thread pane (e.g. if filtered using the 
search bar), in which case the menus can also be used, and also from the 
advanced search dialog, although the menus aren't available there so you 
need to know the relevant keyboard shortcuts.  You can use the menus 
from the main window to work out what the shortcuts are, e.g. Message > 
Tag to see which number corresponds to which tag.  I'm not sure whether 
you get shortcuts for tags beyond the first 9, so you might need to 
order them so that your frequently used tags come within the first 9 to 
ensure there are shortcuts for them.


The un_satisfactory option SeaMonkey provides of creating a "saved 
search" for later display is inconvenient.


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Selecting/displaying desired messages conveniently - Feasible feature request?

[Richard Owlett]

SeaMonkey can already perform the required tasks.
But it clashes with desired workflow.

I make extensive use of custom tags .
The two most used tags are for:
  1. color coding the subject line of messages I wrote.
  2. a general tag for things I find to be of long-term interest.
Under "View:" my standard is to display all subject lines:
  associated with the second tag above
  or
  marked as unread

FIRST problem.
When a specific view is selected, SeaMonkey defaults to expanding the 
view in the "Thread" pane. As the purpose of the second tag is 
_long-term_ interest I have to scroll a long way to see today's posts.

Is there any way to collapse *ALL* threads?
[Collapsing individually is inconvenient.]

SECOND problem.
When searching a directory for key words in subject line [with perhaps a 
date boundary], I'll get a dozen or more hits that have to tagged 
individually.

I would like to tag or mark as un-read all the hits the search has found.

The un_satisfactory option SeaMonkey provides of creating a "saved 
search" for later display is inconvenient.


Comments?
TIA


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**********urgent and desperate request for assistance Seamonkey issue

[Eric Appleman]

I run an educational website on U.S. presidential campaigns
www.p2020.us

For over a decade I have used SeaMonkey 2.014 as a composer to update the
website daily.  (previously I used Netscape Composer).

I use that old version because it doesn't have a lot of unnecessary bells
and whistles and produces a small file size when saving.

I have run into a problem which is seriously jeopardizing my continued work
on this project and would appreciate any *assistance anyone  can
provide to resolve this.

The Seamonkey browser is working fine.  It pulls up various pages EXCEPT
when I enter my url (www.p2020.us or https://www.democracyinaction.us/) to
try to update pages I get the message

*Connection interrupted*
*The document contains no data.*
*The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. *


I don't think it is a server issue.  Other websites I run on the same
server pull up fine: www.p2016.org, etc.

I am not technically inclined but have tried Clear Cache as described here
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Error_loading_websites

If anyone has any ideas, please email or call

Eric M. Appleman
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c. 310 496-9633
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Re: Modify two request headers

[David E. Ross]

On 2/24/2020 1:06 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> 
> I have a router with a web interface. It worked with SeaMonkey 2.7, but 
> recent versions of SeaMonkey add two headers to each request
>   DNT: 1
>   Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
> the router doesn't like any header that it doesn't understand
> 
> I found a way to "fix" this in FireFox
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-modify-header/
> You create a URL pattern, so it only affects one site, then you tell it 
> to remove the two headers you don't want (for that site only)
> 
> Just wondering if there's a way to do this in SeaMonkey?
> 

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.49.5
Netgear N300 Wireless Router Model WNR2000v5 (WiFi disabled and
connection via cable) (4 years old)
Motorola MB7220 V1.0 DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem (3 years old)

I just now captured HTTP headers to an external Web site.  My
configuration is sending both
DNT: 1
Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
Neither my router nor my modem seem to care.  Are you sure your problem
is with your router?  I thought routers and modems only analyzed IP
addresses and URIs.

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Modify two request headers

[Gerry Hickman via support-seamonkey]

I have a router with a web interface. It worked with SeaMonkey 2.7, but 
recent versions of SeaMonkey add two headers to each request

DNT: 1
Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
the router doesn't like any header that it doesn't understand

I found a way to "fix" this in FireFox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-modify-header/
You create a URL pattern, so it only affects one site, then you tell it 
to remove the two headers you don't want (for that site only)


Just wondering if there's a way to do this in SeaMonkey?

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Re: Request received: Bookmarks folder initial choice swapping ? ref:_00DU0Lfqj._5001v19eQut:ref

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Two similar posts in just five minutes, however the previous post used 
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Re: Request received: Re: Loading Windows 10 on Used Computer - Advice ? ref:_00DU0Lfqj._5001v18tW39:ref

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On 11/1/19 12:32 AM, BigBlue wrote:

Someone must have signed up the e-mail address of this company's help desk to 
receive notifications on posts to this newsgroup via Google Groups. So every 
time someone posts it goes there and they send a 'Thanks for the request' 
message.

Is there a Google Groups admin that can track that down and remove it?



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Re: Request received: Re: Loading Windows 10 on Used Computer - Advice ? ref:_00DU0Lfqj._5001v18tW39:ref

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WTH is THIS ! ?
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Re: Request received: Re: Loading Windows 10 on Used Computer - Advice ? ref:_00DU0Lfqj._5001v18tW39:ref

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> Thanks for your email. We have received your request 03595853 and it
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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

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Daniel wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote on 4/10/2018 6:27 PM:

Daniel wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote on 30/09/2018 9:17 PM:

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt 
the message with "Security", assuming you and the other party 
have set up Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always 
send encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send 
encrypted if possible", which means the mail program has to 
look if a certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted 
if a certificate has been found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there? Then 
one could add any information of any sort in there. The MacOS 
contact list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from 
end point to end point. For instance emails between me and my 
doctor. Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email 
traffic between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I 
should not have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get 
encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like 
"prefers to receive mail as " .




Yes, that would be an option.

However, I also have an alternative option.

When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to 
exchange the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a 
signed email message, and he has to send me a signed email message 
as well. As soon as I receive his signed email message, its 
certificate will be stored on my computer. My certificate will have 
been stored on his computer.


 From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.

Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then 
mail could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. 
When found, mail could automatically send the message encrypted.


That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an 
entry to the address book, everything is done automatically.


The whole idea of encrypted messaging intregees me!!

Let's say you, Dirk, and I want to talk encrypted. I might give you 
a Plain language call saying lets go encrypted. You send me your key 
and I send you mine, and we're off and communicating.


However, if someone else is "watching", be it on my computer, on 
your computer or somewhere in between, they also have both keys, so 
can "see" what we're saying.


Or am I mis-understanding the situation?? (That's a definite 
possibility!!)


This is how it works.

First you obtain an email certificate, for instance from Comodo:

https://www.comodo.com/home/email-security/free-email-certificate.php

You will get an email with a clickable link. It will load the 
certificate on your PC.


Remember that you have to obtain a certificate for each email account 
you want to secure!


You then go to the account of this email address in Edit > Mail & 
Newsgroup Account Settings


Click on Security, and a small window will open.

Now you can select the certificate with 'Digital Signing' and 
'Encryption'.


You can choose the setting 'Digitally sign messages (by default)', 
but I noticed that there are email programs that can't handle signed 
messages properly, and will garble attachments.


Now compose a small message to the other party you want to exchange 
encrypted messages with. Before you send it, choose "Digitally Sign 
This Message' from the Security tab in your compose window.


The other party has to follow the same steps.

Once you have exchanged these first two signed messages, you can send 
another message, but choose 'Encrypt This Message'. The message will 
now be send encrypted, and can not be read anywhere except on the 
end-points. So if your provider has a web interface for your mail 
account, these messages will not turn up as readable there.


"... and can not be read anywhere except on the end-points" ... or by 
anybody who was "listening" when the "Digital Signing" certificates 
were obtained/exchanged!




Obtained, I don't know. Exchanged not, as far as I know. Normally these 
keys are a pair, a public key you exchange, and a private key that is 
stored on your PC.

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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[Daniel]

Dirk Munk wrote on 4/10/2018 6:27 PM:

Daniel wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote on 30/09/2018 9:17 PM:

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt 
the message with "Security", assuming you and the other party 
have set up Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always 
send encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted 
if possible", which means the mail program has to look if a 
certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted if a 
certificate has been found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there? Then 
one could add any information of any sort in there. The MacOS 
contact list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from 
end point to end point. For instance emails between me and my 
doctor. Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email 
traffic between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I 
should not have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get 
encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like 
"prefers to receive mail as " .




Yes, that would be an option.

However, I also have an alternative option.

When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to 
exchange the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a 
signed email message, and he has to send me a signed email message as 
well. As soon as I receive his signed email message, its certificate 
will be stored on my computer. My certificate will have been stored 
on his computer.


 From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.

Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then mail 
could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. When 
found, mail could automatically send the message encrypted.


That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an entry 
to the address book, everything is done automatically.


The whole idea of encrypted messaging intregees me!!

Let's say you, Dirk, and I want to talk encrypted. I might give you a 
Plain language call saying lets go encrypted. You send me your key and 
I send you mine, and we're off and communicating.


However, if someone else is "watching", be it on my computer, on your 
computer or somewhere in between, they also have both keys, so can 
"see" what we're saying.


Or am I mis-understanding the situation?? (That's a definite 
possibility!!)


This is how it works.

First you obtain an email certificate, for instance from Comodo:

https://www.comodo.com/home/email-security/free-email-certificate.php

You will get an email with a clickable link. It will load the 
certificate on your PC.


Remember that you have to obtain a certificate for each email account 
you want to secure!


You then go to the account of this email address in Edit > Mail & 
Newsgroup Account Settings


Click on Security, and a small window will open.

Now you can select the certificate with 'Digital Signing' and 'Encryption'.

You can choose the setting 'Digitally sign messages (by default)', but I 
noticed that there are email programs that can't handle signed messages 
properly, and will garble attachments.


Now compose a small message to the other party you want to exchange 
encrypted messages with. Before you send it, choose "Digitally Sign This 
Message' from the Security tab in your compose window.


The other party has to follow the same steps.

Once you have exchanged these first two signed messages, you can send 
another message, but choose 'Encrypt This Message'. The message will now 
be send encrypted, and can not be read anywhere except on the 
end-points. So if your provider has a web interface for your mail 
account, these messages will not turn up as readable there.


"... and can not be read anywhere except on the end-points" ... or by 
anybody who was "listening" when the "Digital Signing" certificates were 
obtained/exchanged!


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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[Dirk Munk]

Daniel wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote on 30/09/2018 9:17 PM:

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt 
the message with "Security", assuming you and the other party 
have set up Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always 
send encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted 
if possible", which means the mail program has to look if a 
certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted if a 
certificate has been found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there? Then 
one could add any information of any sort in there. The MacOS 
contact list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from 
end point to end point. For instance emails between me and my 
doctor. Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email 
traffic between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I 
should not have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get 
encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like 
"prefers to receive mail as " .




Yes, that would be an option.

However, I also have an alternative option.

When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to 
exchange the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a 
signed email message, and he has to send me a signed email message as 
well. As soon as I receive his signed email message, its certificate 
will be stored on my computer. My certificate will have been stored 
on his computer.


 From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.

Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then mail 
could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. When 
found, mail could automatically send the message encrypted.


That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an entry 
to the address book, everything is done automatically.


The whole idea of encrypted messaging intregees me!!

Let's say you, Dirk, and I want to talk encrypted. I might give you a 
Plain language call saying lets go encrypted. You send me your key and 
I send you mine, and we're off and communicating.


However, if someone else is "watching", be it on my computer, on your 
computer or somewhere in between, they also have both keys, so can 
"see" what we're saying.


Or am I mis-understanding the situation?? (That's a definite 
possibility!!)


This is how it works.

First you obtain an email certificate, for instance from Comodo:

https://www.comodo.com/home/email-security/free-email-certificate.php

You will get an email with a clickable link. It will load the 
certificate on your PC.


Remember that you have to obtain a certificate for each email account 
you want to secure!


You then go to the account of this email address in Edit > Mail & 
Newsgroup Account Settings


Click on Security, and a small window will open.

Now you can select the certificate with 'Digital Signing' and 'Encryption'.

You can choose the setting 'Digitally sign messages (by default)', but I 
noticed that there are email programs that can't handle signed messages 
properly, and will garble attachments.


Now compose a small message to the other party you want to exchange 
encrypted messages with. Before you send it, choose "Digitally Sign This 
Message' from the Security tab in your compose window.


The other party has to follow the same steps.

Once you have exchanged these first two signed messages, you can send 
another message, but choose 'Encrypt This Message'. The message will now 
be send encrypted, and can not be read anywhere except on the 
end-points. So if your provider has a web interface for your mail 
account, these messages will not turn up as readable there.




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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

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On 10/1/18, Daniel  wrote:
> Dirk Munk wrote on 30/09/2018 9:17 PM:
>> meagain wrote:
>>>  Original Message 
 EE wrote:
> Dirk Munk wrote:
>> When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the
>> message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set
>> up Digital Signing.
>>
>> It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send
>> encrypted" with every address book entry.
>>
>> An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if
>> possible", which means the mail program has to look if a
>> certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted if a
>> certificate has been found.
>
> What about just having a general "Notes" section in there? Then one
> could add any information of any sort in there.  The MacOS contact
> list has a Notes area and it is very useful.
>
 Thank you, but that is not the point.

 For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from end
 point to end point. For instance emails between me and my doctor.
 Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email traffic
 between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I should not
 have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get encryption.
>>>
>>> You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like
>>> "prefers to receive mail as " .
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, that would be an option.
>>
>> However, I also have an alternative option.
>>
>> When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to exchange
>> the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a signed email
>> message, and he has to send me a signed email message as well. As soon
>> as I receive his signed email message, its certificate will be stored on
>> my computer. My certificate will have been stored on his computer.
>>
>>  From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.
>>
>> Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then mail
>> could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. When found,
>> mail could automatically send the message encrypted.
>>
>> That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an entry to
>> the address book, everything is done automatically.
>
> The whole idea of encrypted messaging intregees me!!
>
> Let's say you, Dirk, and I want to talk encrypted. I might give you a
> Plain language call saying lets go encrypted. You send me your key and I
> send you mine, and we're off and communicating.
>
> However, if someone else is "watching", be it on my computer, on your
> computer or somewhere in between, they also have both keys, so can "see"
> what we're saying.
>
> Or am I mis-understanding the situation?? (That's a definite possibility!!)

Conceptually it's pretty simple.  It starts with public key cryptography
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography
where you generate your "key pair"
- a public key that you give out; others use that key to encrypt messages to you
- a private key that you keep secret and use for decrypting messages

So far, so good, but how do you get someone's public key?  Best is to
exchange keys in person, but doing that can be anywhere from trivial
to impossible, so somebody came up with the idea of a key signing
party to build a 'web of trust'.  eg
  https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2018-September/001994.html

So we're cool now - right?  You've got a public key for encrypting
mail to someone & a private key for decrypting received mail.  But who
wants to deal with creating/saving email attachments and doing command
line crap like
  gpg -e -a -r NAME < FILE
  gpg -d FILE
for every single msg?  ick.  triple ick.  Way too much manual labor,
so we're off to
  http://www.secure-my-email.com/intro_to_openpgp.php
to learn how to do encryption in the email client.  yay!

But.. Oh Noes!!  https://efail.de/

So you go looking & find stuff like
  https://ssd.eff.org/en/blog/how-turn-pgp-back-safely-possible
and decide that it's safe to go back to automatically handling encrypted mail.

Which gets us back to
> It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send
> encrypted" with every address book entry.
to help prevent those Oh Noes!! moments when you send something
without encryption.

Regards,
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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[Daniel]

Dirk Munk wrote on 30/09/2018 9:17 PM:

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set 
up Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a 
certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted if a 
certificate has been found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there? Then one 
could add any information of any sort in there.  The MacOS contact 
list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from end 
point to end point. For instance emails between me and my doctor. 
Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email traffic 
between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I should not 
have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like 
"prefers to receive mail as " .




Yes, that would be an option.

However, I also have an alternative option.

When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to exchange 
the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a signed email 
message, and he has to send me a signed email message as well. As soon 
as I receive his signed email message, its certificate will be stored on 
my computer. My certificate will have been stored on his computer.


 From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.

Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then mail 
could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. When found, 
mail could automatically send the message encrypted.


That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an entry to 
the address book, everything is done automatically.


The whole idea of encrypted messaging intregees me!!

Let's say you, Dirk, and I want to talk encrypted. I might give you a 
Plain language call saying lets go encrypted. You send me your key and I 
send you mine, and we're off and communicating.


However, if someone else is "watching", be it on my computer, on your 
computer or somewhere in between, they also have both keys, so can "see" 
what we're saying.


Or am I mis-understanding the situation?? (That's a definite possibility!!)
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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Dirk Munk wrote:

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set 
up Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a 
certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted if a 
certificate has been found.

...
For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from end 
point to end point. For instance emails between me and my doctor. 
Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email traffic 
between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I should not 
have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like 
"prefers to receive mail as " .




Yes, that would be an option.

However, I also have an alternative option.

When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to exchange 
the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a signed email 
message, and he has to send me a signed email message as well. As soon 
as I receive his signed email message, its certificate will be stored on 
my computer. My certificate will have been stored on his computer.


 From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.


For various reasons, it's not recommended to use the same keypair for 
both encryption and signing.


Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then mail 
could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. When found, 
mail could automatically send the message encrypted.


That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an entry to 
the address book, everything is done automatically.


With this scheme, what happens when the public key / certificate you 
hold for the recipient expires, or is somehow deleted for any reason? 
From that point on, you no longer hold a key for that recipient, so 
future emails would be sent UNencrypted without any warning.


It probably would be better to set a flag in the address book indicating 
that all messages to that recipient should be encrypted, and get an 
error or warning if that's not possible for any reason. I'm not entirely 
sure if that would be 100% reliable either, for example if you enter the 
email address directly rather than selecting the address book entry, or 
if you end up with two entries for that recipient (e.g. one you've set 
up and one in "Collected Addresses") but only one is flagged for 
encryption. For a HTML/text preference, it's not so critical if the 
occasional message if sent with the wrong setting, but for encryption 
you'd want to be sure it's always used.


While it's useful to discuss ideas on this list, the best place to 
submit feature requests is on SeaMonkey's bug tracker at 
 (please search for similar existing 
requests before submitting a new one). At the moment, the SeaMonkey 
developers are struggling just to keep up with changes being made by 
Mozilla to the Firefox code SeaMonkey is based on, so I wouldn't expect 
requests for new features to be implemented very quickly, but putting it 
on the bug tracker means it's less likely to be completely forgotten.


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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[Dirk Munk]

meagain wrote:

 Original Message 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set 
up Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a 
certificate has been stored, and then send encrypted if a 
certificate has been found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there? Then one 
could add any information of any sort in there.  The MacOS contact 
list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from end 
point to end point. For instance emails between me and my doctor. 
Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email traffic 
between us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I should not 
have to choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like 
"prefers to receive mail as " .




Yes, that would be an option.

However, I also have an alternative option.

When you want to send each other encrypted emails, you have to exchange 
the certificates first. So I have to send the recipient a signed email 
message, and he has to send me a signed email message as well. As soon 
as I receive his signed email message, its certificate will be stored on 
my computer. My certificate will have been stored on his computer.


From that moment on we can send each other encrypted email messages.

Now suppose I want to send this recipient an email message. Then mail 
could look in the stored certificates for his certificate. When found, 
mail could automatically send the message encrypted.


That is an even cleaner way of setting it up. No need to add an entry to 
the address book, everything is done automatically.

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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[meagain]

 Original Message 

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set up 
Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a certificate 
has been stored, and then send encrypted if a certificate has been 
found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there?  Then one 
could add any information of any sort in there.  The MacOS contact 
list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from end 
point to end point. For instance emails between me and my doctor. 
Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email traffic between 
us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I should not have to 
choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get encryption.


You want this feature setup on a per-recipient basis just like "prefers 
to receive mail as " .



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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[Dirk Munk]

EE wrote:

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set up 
Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a certificate 
has been stored, and then send encrypted if a certificate has been 
found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there?  Then one 
could add any information of any sort in there.  The MacOS contact 
list has a Notes area and it is very useful.



Thank you, but that is not the point.

For legal reasons, certain email traffic must be encrypted, from end 
point to end point. For instance emails between me and my doctor. 
Assuming we have both set up digital signing, any email traffic between 
us should *always* be encrypted, automatically. I should not have to 
choose Security > Encrypt This Message to get encryption.

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Re: Request for small new feature in Address Book

[EE]

Dirk Munk wrote:
When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set up 
Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a certificate has 
been stored, and then send encrypted if a certificate has been found.


What about just having a general "Notes" section in there?  Then one 
could add any information of any sort in there.  The MacOS contact list 
has a Notes area and it is very useful.


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Request for small new feature in Address Book

[Dirk Munk]

When you want to send a message, you have the option to encrypt the 
message with "Security", assuming you and the other party have set up 
Digital Signing.


It would be a nice feature if you could have an option "always send 
encrypted" with every address book entry.


An alternative would be a general setting "always send encrypted if 
possible", which means the mail program has to look if a certificate has 
been stored, and then send encrypted if a certificate has been found.

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SOLVED: Re: Error Message: When Sending email: "Request failed; Mailbox unavailable."

[Arnie Goetchius]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> I set up a new account for which I can receive emails okay but cannot send. 
>> When sending, I get the
>> following error message:
>>
>> "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:  Request 
>> failed; Mailbox
>> unavailable.  Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail 
>> preferences and try again."
>>
>> What do I do to fix this?
>>
> Looks like I may have to login to my Yahoo account and do the following:
> 
> Add a new "send-only Address" with your external email-address and name.
> 

Had to set up a separate Outgoing Server (SMTP) for the new email address to 
make it work.
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Re: Error Message: When Sending email: "Request failed; Mailbox unavailable."

[Arnie Goetchius]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> I set up a new account for which I can receive emails okay but cannot send. 
> When sending, I get the
> following error message:
> 
> "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:  Request 
> failed; Mailbox
> unavailable.  Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail 
> preferences and try again."
> 
> What do I do to fix this?
> 
Looks like I may have to login to my Yahoo account and do the following:

Add a new "send-only Address" with your external email-address and name.
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Error Message: When Sending email: "Request failed; Mailbox unavailable."

[Arnie Goetchius]

I set up a new account for which I can receive emails okay but cannot send. 
When sending, I get the
following error message:

"An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:  Request 
failed; Mailbox
unavailable.  Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail 
preferences and try again."

What do I do to fix this?
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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union! - Success of request for more help ❔

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I think it was a good start.

I can only speak for me. I really didn't expect any great changes or new 
developers falling out of the blue sky and starting to produce patches. But 
some people offered to help and started with installing a dev environment. 
Some also offered help for doing graphics works. We already have some new 
higher quality OSX icons which are not yet in the tree but in a bug at least. 
It will take a few months to see if some lasting good comes out if it. 
Learning curve is steep at first.


Generally donations are up for which we thank everyone. The council is 
currently evaluating how to start spending money so that it does the most good 
for SeaMonkey. No final plans. Among the current ideas are infrastucture, some 
test hardware (don't worry no high end stuff for free for everyone 
involved), signing keys and bounties. Just ideas now. If anyone has another 
idea let us know.


FRG

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi Frank-Rainer, hi all,

do we already have some results like
- Users who started to contribute some more regularly?
- success stories like
   -- SeaMonkey now is in the Linux xyz software repository,
  user abc will maintain ... .

If yes that should be published here or in one of the blogs.

CU

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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 06:54 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account
on the target laptop?



Yes. And thanks for the link.


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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 8:17 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 06:54 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian 
Jessie

with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the 
tar.bz2

to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account
on the target laptop?



That is my intention.
Will respond tomorrow to your previous post when I am functionally 
awake.  ;/





Then all you need to do is create a launcher and the profile will be 
created upon the users first launch of SeaMonkey.


I don't think you will need to use the -p switch.

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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 06:54 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account
on the target laptop?



That is my intention.
Will respond tomorrow to your previous post when I am functionally 
awake.  ;/



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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)








Along with my previous post. Each user will have their own user account 
on the target laptop?


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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 7:04 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/


s/should would/should work




Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.


If you want each user to have and use a different profile. I'm not sure 
it prevents them from using another and messing it up.


You can create shortcuts for each users profile.



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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 05:50 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather
than from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla
folder in their own home directory.


Being past 3 score and 10, I ask first :/



Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



I assume that's the same as when I was under WinXP.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


Acknowledged ;)






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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[WaltS48]

On 4/5/17 11:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie 
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather 
than from Debian repository.


I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2 
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the 
same result as an installer would.


The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


The intent is to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2.

I would just use /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

That should would for all users to access the same executable.
Each users profile and profile.ini would be in the hidden .mozilla 
folder in their own home directory.


Make sure you use the -p switch for the executable.



Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the 
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


No idea.


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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/05/2017 05:32 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather than
from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?


I found it much easier to just use the ubuntuzilla ppa



in installs seamonkey to /opt/seamonkey with execuable in
/usr/bin/seamonkey


My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


Does that automatically. Each user gets settings in ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/




Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


I use Ubuntu with Unity which seamonkey.desktop in
~/.local/share/applications/

For editing old style menus was alacarte. Whatever menu editor MATE uses
I don't know.



Thank you for trying ;}
Ubuntu and Debian *ARE* close relatives.
HOWEVER, as they say, "the devils be in the details" ;/

Debian specific feedback please?
TIA




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Re: Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Jonathan N. Little]

Richard Owlett wrote:

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather than
from Debian repository.

I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the
same result as an installer would.

The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?


I found it much easier to just use the ubuntuzilla ppa



in installs seamonkey to /opt/seamonkey with execuable in
/usr/bin/seamonkey


My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.


Does that automatically. Each user gets settings in ~/.mozilla/seamonkey/




Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


I use Ubuntu with Unity which seamonkey.desktop in
~/.local/share/applications/

For editing old style menus was alacarte. Whatever menu editor MATE uses 
I don't know.


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Installing SeaMonkey on Linux - Clairification request

[Richard Owlett]

My target machine is a laptop with multiple users having Debian Jessie 
with MATE desktop.
I'll use the package from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ rather than 
from Debian repository.


I wish clarification of instructions at
www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall#install_linux

The first paragraph states:
Note: There is no installer available, but just extracting the tar.bz2 
to the default directory (usually /usr/local/seamonkey) achieves the 
same result as an installer would.


The instructions then say to do
  mkdir seamonkey2
  cd seamonkey2
and then extract files to that directory.

Question:
Is the intent to place the files in /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey2 ?
My intention is for all users to:
 1. access the same executable.
 2. have profiles and profile.ini under their own home directory.

Secondary Question:
How do I replace the links to Firefox/Iceweasel in the 
Applications->Internet sub-menu with SeaMonkey?


TIA



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Re: Request confirmation of bug 1309711 - email corruption due to incorrect charset detection

[Alexander Yudenitsch]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 12 out 16 18:11:


Following discussion in the thread "SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding",
I've raised bug 1309711
 "Corruption of
draft messages and incorrect display due to incorrect charset
detection". In summary, under some conditions SeaMonkey uses the wrong
character set when opening emails. This can lead to corruption of draft
messages.

I've reproduced this with a clean profile with SeaMonkey 2.40 on Windows
Vista. It would be great if a few others could follow the steps to
reproduce on other systems to confirm whether the issue affects:
- Other operating systems (Linux, Mac)
- Newer versions (I believe a number of people here are using an
alpha/nightly 2.46?)


Yay, Mark!  Thanks.

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Request confirmation of bug 1309711 - email corruption due to incorrect charset detection

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Following discussion in the thread "SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding", 
I've raised bug 1309711 
 "Corruption of 
draft messages and incorrect display due to incorrect charset 
detection". In summary, under some conditions SeaMonkey uses the wrong 
character set when opening emails. This can lead to corruption of draft 
messages.


I've reproduced this with a clean profile with SeaMonkey 2.40 on Windows 
Vista. It would be great if a few others could follow the steps to 
reproduce on other systems to confirm whether the issue affects:

- Other operating systems (Linux, Mac)
- Newer versions (I believe a number of people here are using an 
alpha/nightly 2.46?)


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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[David E. Ross]

On 3/22/2016 9:45 AM, Gilles CARINATO wrote:
> May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two 
> last versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
> Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display 
> available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.
> 
> Gilles

Since SeaMonkey 2.38 and possibly since SeaMonkey 2.35, the inherent
Password Manager has worked for me with the same functionality that the
Remember Passwords extension gave me in SeaMonkey 2.26.1 (before changes
in Password Manager broke the extension).

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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[EE]

Gilles CARINATO wrote:

May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two
last versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display
available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.

Gilles


It works for me.  I use a bookmark for:
chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul
I do that for convenience to get at the passwords quickly.

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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

It's likely bad entries in the permissions database. The migration of them in 
2.39 
and 2.40 sometimes didn't work well. You can also currently kill the Data 
Manager 
by adding a permission for an about: page or a similar uri. And if you do not 
have 
a default dictionary entry the passworts won't work either. The later one is 
already fixed in 2.41+ but the Data Manager changes have not been checked in 
yet. 

Anway. I would suggest useing a a new profile after 2.38. So much junk got 
migrated. Even with the fixed Data Manager I junked mine and never looked back. 
Cleared a few problems.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 14:25:48 -0400, Bill Spikowski wrote:

>>Gilles CARINATO wrote:
>>> May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two last 
versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
>>> Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display 
available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.
>>
>>
>>That's not my experience -- the password manager works the same for me in 
>>2.40 
as it has for years.
>>
>>


 Regards
 Frank-Rainer Grahl


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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[Bill Spikowski]

Gilles CARINATO wrote:

May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two last 
versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display 
available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.



That's not my experience -- the password manager works the same for me in 2.40 
as it has for years.


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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[Jim Dell]

Gilles CARINATO wrote:

May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two
last versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display
available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.

Gilles


Giles
It works for me.
What OS are you using?
Jim

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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[Gilles CARINATO]

May I advise that the "passwords manager" is not operative for the two 
last versions of Seamonkey 2.39 and 2.40...
Apparently the "remember" function works, but there is no more display 
available of the identification codes and  passwords stored.


Gilles


David E. Ross a écrit :

On 3/22/2016 8:17 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:

I had been using the "Remember Passwords 1.1" add-on from Stanimir
Stamenkov because of its ability to store passwords from many sites that
don't work with the built-in Password Manager.

The most recent releases of SeaMonkey are incompatible with this add-on,
and it is no longer available.

I would like to see the capability of the built-in Password Manager
improved to make it more universally functional. I have tried LastPass,
but I don't care for it and in any case it is not fully supported for
SeaMonkey.

John


Upgrade your version of SeaMonkey.  You are using SeaMonkey 2.22.1.  By
SeaMonkey 2.38, the functionality of the Remember Passwords extension
was significantly incorporated into the "vanilla" SeaMonkey.  The
current version is SeaMonkey 2.40.


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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[David E. Ross]

On 3/22/2016 8:17 AM, no...@nonospam.org wrote:
> I had been using the "Remember Passwords 1.1" add-on from Stanimir 
> Stamenkov because of its ability to store passwords from many sites that 
> don't work with the built-in Password Manager.
> 
> The most recent releases of SeaMonkey are incompatible with this add-on, 
> and it is no longer available.
> 
> I would like to see the capability of the built-in Password Manager 
> improved to make it more universally functional. I have tried LastPass, 
> but I don't care for it and in any case it is not fully supported for 
> SeaMonkey.
> 
> John
> 

Upgrade your version of SeaMonkey.  You are using SeaMonkey 2.22.1.  By
SeaMonkey 2.38, the functionality of the Remember Passwords extension
was significantly incorporated into the "vanilla" SeaMonkey.  The
current version is SeaMonkey 2.40.

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Re: Password Manager improvement request

[Ed Mullen]

On 3/22/2016 11:17 AM, no...@nonospam.org's fingers rattled off:

I had been using the "Remember Passwords 1.1" add-on from Stanimir
Stamenkov because of its ability to store passwords from many sites that
don't work with the built-in Password Manager.

The most recent releases of SeaMonkey are incompatible with this add-on,
and it is no longer available.

I would like to see the capability of the built-in Password Manager
improved to make it more universally functional. I have tried LastPass,
but I don't care for it and in any case it is not fully supported for
SeaMonkey.

John


I've been using LastPass in SeaMonkey and Firefox and it works fine.

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Password Manager improvement request

[notme]

I had been using the "Remember Passwords 1.1" add-on from Stanimir 
Stamenkov because of its ability to store passwords from many sites that 
don't work with the built-in Password Manager.


The most recent releases of SeaMonkey are incompatible with this add-on, 
and it is no longer available.


I would like to see the capability of the built-in Password Manager 
improved to make it more universally functional. I have tried LastPass, 
but I don't care for it and in any case it is not fully supported for 
SeaMonkey.


John
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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[Bret Busby]

On 18/12/2015, WaltS48  wrote:
> On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote:
>> On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .
>>>
>>> The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
>>> (on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".
>>>
>>> In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
>>> options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
>>> something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
>>> NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
>>> access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
>>> component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
>>> or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
>>> component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
>>> web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).
>>>
>>> I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
>>> but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
>>> functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
>>> user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
>>> component, without having to reload the last session of the web
>>> browser.
>>>
>>> Thank you in anticipation.
>>>
>> Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu
>> (Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate
>> modification.
>>
>> However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and
>> change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer,
>> Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are
>> referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey!
>>
>
> I think the question is could the SeaMonkey developers fix SeaMonkey so
> his operating systems Application launcher shows the three items under
> the Internet heading like it did in Debian.
>
> AIUI Ubuntu doesn't even offer SeaMonkey anymore.
>
> Users that want it for Ubuntu have to add a 3rd party repository called
> Ubuntuzilla.
>
> UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Ubuntuzilla -
> 
>
> Or install from The SeaMonkey® Project -
>  which AFAIK doesn't add the
> functionality. I don't see the items in my Application > Internet Menu.
>
> I thought I had SM installed through my software manager, but it appears
> I don't. IIRC when I did have it installed from a repo there were menu
> items for launching the browser or mail, but not just the compose window.
>

I am thinking now, that I may have been mistaken - I think that the
three separate menu entries to which I refer, were for the iceape
suite, which was a Debian version of Seamonkey, which was similar to,
but not exactly the same as, Seamonkey.

The next time that I do a system update (as the currently outstanding
update, involves a kernel update, which requires a system reboot, and
the reboot, with restoring browser sessions, takes a couple or a few
hours, so, gets deferred until it is less inconvenient), I need to
remember to examine the installations of Debian 6 and the previous
(10.04 and 12.04) installations of Ubuntu, to find whether I am
correct, in believing now, that it was in fact iceape, and, not
Seamonkey, that had the separate menu entries for the separate
components.

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West Australia

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 you'll know what the answer means."
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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[WaltS48]

Bret Busby wrote:

On 18/12/2015, WaltS48  wrote:

On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .

The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
(on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".

In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).

I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
component, without having to reload the last session of the web
browser.

Thank you in anticipation.


Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu
(Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate
modification.

However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and
change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer,
Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are
referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey!



I think the question is could the SeaMonkey developers fix SeaMonkey so
his operating systems Application launcher shows the three items under
the Internet heading like it did in Debian.

AIUI Ubuntu doesn't even offer SeaMonkey anymore.

Users that want it for Ubuntu have to add a 3rd party repository called
Ubuntuzilla.

UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Ubuntuzilla -


Or install from The SeaMonkey® Project -
 which AFAIK doesn't add the
functionality. I don't see the items in my Application > Internet Menu.

I thought I had SM installed through my software manager, but it appears
I don't. IIRC when I did have it installed from a repo there were menu
items for launching the browser or mail, but not just the compose window.



I am thinking now, that I may have been mistaken - I think that the
three separate menu entries to which I refer, were for the iceape
suite, which was a Debian version of Seamonkey, which was similar to,
but not exactly the same as, Seamonkey.



FWIW I just installed the Ubuntuzilla PPA and SeaMonkey from it.

I only see Mozilla Build of SeaMonkey in my Applications > Internet menu


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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[Daniel]

On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .

The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
(on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".

In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).

I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
component, without having to reload the last session of the web
browser.

Thank you in anticipation.

Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu 
(Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate 
modification.


However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and 
change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer, 
Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are 
referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey!


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[Jonathan N. Little]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .

The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
(on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".

In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).

I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
component, without having to reload the last session of the web
browser.

Thank you in anticipation.


Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu
(Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate
modification.

However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and
change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer,
Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are
referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey!



I think the question is could the SeaMonkey developers fix SeaMonkey so
his operating systems Application launcher shows the three items under
the Internet heading like it did in Debian.

AIUI Ubuntu doesn't even offer SeaMonkey anymore.

Users that want it for Ubuntu have to add a 3rd party repository called
Ubuntuzilla.

UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Ubuntuzilla -


Or install from The SeaMonkey® Project -
 which AFAIK doesn't add the
functionality. I don't see the items in my Application > Internet Menu.

I thought I had SM installed through my software manager, but it appears
I don't. IIRC when I did have it installed from a repo there were menu
items for launching the browser or mail, but not just the compose window.




All he has to do is create custom shortcuts in ~/.local/share/applications

I use Ubuntu so it uses only one shortcut file with right-click actions 
similar to Windows 7+. But you could easily divide it up into separate 
shortcuts, e.g., seamonkey-browser.desktop,  seamonkey-mail.desktop 
seamonkey-addressbook.desktop, etc. My seamonkey.desktop:


[Desktop Entry]
X-AppInstall-Package=seamonkey-mozilla-build
X-AppInstall-Section=main

Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Mozilla Build of Seamonkey
GenericName=Internet Suite
Comment=Web Browser, Email/News Client, HTML Editor, IRC Client
Exec=seamonkey %u
Icon=seamonkey-mozilla-build
Terminal=false
X-MultipleArgs=false
Type=Application
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;Email;WebDevelopment;IRCClient;
MimeType=text/html;text/xml;application/xhtml+xml;application/xml;application/rss+xml;application/rdf+xml;image/gif;image/jpeg;image/png;x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https;x-scheme-handler/ftp;x-scheme-handler/chrome;video/webm;application/x-xpinstall;;x-scheme-handler/mailto;application/x-xpinstall;
StartupNotify=true
Actions=NewWindow;NewPrivateWindow;Mail;Compose;Contacts

[Desktop Action NewWindow]
Name=Open a New Window
Exec=seamonkey -new-window
OnlyShowIn=Unity;

[Desktop Action NewPrivateWindow]
Name=Open a New Private Window
Exec=seamonkey -private-window
OnlyShowIn=Unity;

[Desktop Action Mail]
Name=Mail Client
Exec=seamonkey -mail
OnlyShowIn=Unity;

[Desktop Action Compose]
Name=Compose New Message
Exec=seamonkey -compose
OnlyShowIn=Unity;

[Desktop Action Contacts]
Name=Contacts
Exec=seamonkey -addressbook
OnlyShowIn=Unity;

X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=app-install-data

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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[WaltS48]

On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .

The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
(on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".

In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).

I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
component, without having to reload the last session of the web
browser.

Thank you in anticipation.


Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu
(Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate
modification.

However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and
change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer,
Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are
referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey!



I think the question is could the SeaMonkey developers fix SeaMonkey so 
his operating systems Application launcher shows the three items under 
the Internet heading like it did in Debian.


AIUI Ubuntu doesn't even offer SeaMonkey anymore.

Users that want it for Ubuntu have to add a 3rd party repository called 
Ubuntuzilla.


UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Ubuntuzilla - 



Or install from The SeaMonkey® Project - 
 which AFAIK doesn't add the 
functionality. I don't see the items in my Application > Internet Menu.


I thought I had SM installed through my software manager, but it appears 
I don't. IIRC when I did have it installed from a repo there were menu 
items for launching the browser or mail, but not just the compose window.


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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[Jonathan N. Little]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.





Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu
(Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate
modification.




Thinking a little bit more you are using Mate, isn't that basically 
GNOME2? You could just use Alacarte GUI to create the separate menu 
entries. Just define each with the associated command line switch. Easy 
peasy!


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Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[WaltS48]

On 12/18/2015 08:23 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .

The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
(on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".

In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).

I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
component, without having to reload the last session of the web
browser.

Thank you in anticipation.


Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu
(Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate
modification.

However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and
change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer,
Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are
referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey!



I think the question is could the SeaMonkey developers fix SeaMonkey so
his operating systems Application launcher shows the three items under
the Internet heading like it did in Debian.

AIUI Ubuntu doesn't even offer SeaMonkey anymore.

Users that want it for Ubuntu have to add a 3rd party repository called
Ubuntuzilla.

UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Ubuntuzilla -


Or install from The SeaMonkey® Project -
 which AFAIK doesn't add the
functionality. I don't see the items in my Application > Internet Menu.

I thought I had SM installed through my software manager, but it appears
I don't. IIRC when I did have it installed from a repo there were menu
items for launching the browser or mail, but not just the compose window.



Ah, just checked and it appears I have to add the Ubuntuzilla PPA if I 
want to install from my systems software manager.


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Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 .

The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation
(on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey".

In previously used SeaMonkey  (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu
options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet);
something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and
NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to
access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups
component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses),
or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser
component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the
web browser component is configured to restart with the last session).

I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list,
but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the
functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a
user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message
component, without having to reload the last session of the web
browser.

Thank you in anticipation.

-- 

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Armadale
West Australia

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 you'll know what the answer means."
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SECOND REQUEST: changing behavior in about:data tab

[David H. Durgee]

Is there a way to modify behavior in the about:data tab?  In particular, 
when I am in the passwords section I would like to either:


1) eliminate "Remove" from the pop-up menu
2) add a confirmation dialog for "Remove" from the pop-up menu

I just ran into a case today where an unintended mouse click at the 
wrong time removed a password for a web site that forced me to reset a 
password unnecessarily.


In case it matters:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0


I am using the LittleMonkey 2.0.27 theme

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: email in new tab

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 11/02/2014 02:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


For me, it mostly works fine (it's not my taste, but it works).
However, some folders did provoke the about:blank window as described
the first time I visited them. After I reverted to the mail tab and
reattempted, they behaved themselves.



Who wants to do that when reading mail.


Like I said, not my taste.


I suggest the OP use the mail client.


Even in the mail client, we still have to put up with your gray
background. Here's one more vote against that.


Do you mean the grey background to the toolbars, scrollbars etc. (which 
are usually grey on Windows anyway so doesn't bother me).


Or do you get a grey background to the message window as well? In that 
case, change Edit  Preferences  Appearance  Colours  Background to 
your preference.


Mark.

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Re: FEATURE REQUEST: email in new tab (just like opera)

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


On 11/02/2014 02:18 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


For me, it mostly works fine (it's not my taste, but it works).
However, some folders did provoke the about:blank window as described
the first time I visited them. After I reverted to the mail tab and
reattempted, they behaved themselves.



Who wants to do that when reading mail.


Like I said, not my taste.


I suggest the OP use the mail client.


Even in the mail client, we still have to put up with your gray
background. Here's one more vote against that.



+1

GW
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