[Biofuel] A War Policy in Collapse

[MH]

 Published on Tuesday, March 4, 2003 by the Boston Globe 

 A War Policy in Collapse 
 by James Carroll
 http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0304-01.htm

 WHAT A DIFFERENCE a month makes. On Feb. 5, Secretary of State Colin Powell 
made the Bush
 administration's case against Iraq with a show of authority that moved many 
officials and pundits out
 of ambivalence and into acceptance. The war came to seem inevitable, which 
then prompted millions
 of people to express their opposition in streets around the globe. Over 
subsequent weeks, the debate
 between hawks and doves took on the strident character of ideologues beating 
each other with fixed
 positions. The sputtering rage of war opponents and the grandiose abstractions 
of war advocates
 both seemed disconnected from the relentless marshaling of troops. War was 
coming. Further
 argument was fruitless. The time seemed to have arrived, finally, for a 
columnist to change the
 subject. 

 And then the events of last week. Within a period of a few days, the war 
policy of the Bush
 administration suddenly showed signs of incipient collapse. No one of these 
developments by itself
 marks the ultimate reversal of fortune for Bush, but taken together, they 
indicate that the law of
 ''unintended consequences,'' which famously unravels the best-laid plans of 
warriors, may apply this
 time before the war formally begins. Unraveling is underway. Consider what 
happened as February
 rolled into March: 

   Tony Blair forcefully criticized George W. Bush for his obstinacy on global 
environmental
   issues, a truly odd piece of timing for such criticism from a key ally yet a 
clear effort to get
   some distance from Washington. Why now?

   The president's father chose to give a speech affirming the importance both 
of multinational
   cooperation and of realism in dealing with the likes of Saddam Hussein. To 
say, as the elder
   Bush did, that getting rid of Hussein in 1991 was not the most important 
thing is to raise the
   question of why it has become the absolute now.

   For the first time since the crisis began, Iraq actually began to disarm, 
destroying Al Samoud 2
   missiles and apparently preparing to bring weapons inspectors into the 
secret world of
   anthrax and nerve agents. The Bush administration could have claimed this as 
a victory on
   which to mount further pressure toward disarmament.

   Instead, the confirmed destruction of Iraqi arms prompted Washington to 
couple its call for
   disarmament with the old, diplomatically discredited demand for regime 
change. Even an Iraq
   purged of weapons of mass destruction would not be enough to avoid war. 
Predictably, Iraq
   then asked, in effect, why Hussein should take steps to disarm if his 
government is doomed in
   any case? Bush's inconsistency on this point -- disarmament or regime 
change? --
   undermined the early case for war. That it reappears now, obliterating 
Powell's argument of a
   month ago, is fatal to the moral integrity of the prowar position.

   The Russian foreign minister declared his nation's readiness to use its veto 
in the Security
   Council to thwart American hopes for a UN ratification of an invasion.

   Despite Washington's offer of many billions in aid, the Turkish Parliament 
refused to approve
   US requests to mount offensive operations from bases in Turkey -- the single 
largest blow
   against US war plans yet. This failure of Bush diplomacy, eliminating a 
second front, might be
   paid for in American lives.

   The capture in Pakistan of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a senior Al Qaeda 
operative, should
   have been only good news to the Bush administration, but it highlighted the 
difference
   between the pursuit of Sept. 11 culprits and the unrelated war against Iraq. 
Osama bin Laden,
   yes. Saddam Hussein, no.

   Administration officials, contradicting military projections and then 
refusing in testimony before
   Congress to estimate costs and postwar troop levels, put on display either 
the
   administration's inadequate preparation or its determination, through 
secrecy, to thwart
   democratic procedures -- choose one.

 In other developments, all highlighting Washington's panicky ineptness, the 
Philippines
 rejected the help of arriving US combat forces, North Korea apparently 
prepared to start up
 plutonium production, and Rumsfeld ordered the actual deployment of missile 
defense units
 in California and Alaska, making the absurd (and as of now illegal) claim that 
further tests are
 unnecessary. 

 All of this points to an administration whose policies are confused and whose 
implementations are
 incompetent. The efficiency with which the US military is moving into position 
for attack is impressive;
 thousands of uniformed Americans are preparing to carry out the orders of 
their civilian superiors with
 diligence and courage. But the hollowness of that civilian leadership, laid 
bare in the disarray of last
 week's news, is breathta

Re: [biofuel] Separating Water from WVO

[Keith Addison]

>Hey,
>
>Do you have to bring the oil to boil to separate the
>water and WVO?  Will the water separate if you just
>heat and mix?

From: "Foolproof biodiesel process: Journey to Forever":

2. For a successful reaction the oil must be free of water. Here are 
two methods of removing the water content:

(a) Settling the water out: This method saves energy. Heat the oil to 
60 deg C (140 deg F), maintain the temperature for 15 minutes and 
then pour the oil into a settling tank. Let it settle for at least 24 
hours. Make sure you never empty the settling vessel more than 90%.

(b) Boiling the water off: Less-preferred method as it uses more 
energy and helps to form more FFAs in the oil. Heat the oil to 100 
deg C (212 deg F). As the heat rises water separates out and falls to 
the bottom -- drain it off to avoid steam explosions. Maintain the 
temperature until no more steam bubbles rise.

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html

Some people always use method (a), others prefer method (b). Try (a) 
and see what you think.

>Just curious because I hope to use a
>water heater element in my processor, but it would
>only bring temps to 130 degree F.  Any help would be
>appreciated.  Also, does anyone know of a good
>substance to coat the inside of the tank, so it
>doesn't corrode?  There was a post a few days ago
>talking about it,

Was there? Anyway:

Rustproofing, anti-corrosion
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#rust

Best

Keith


>but I accidentally deleted it.
>Thanks.
>
>Dan


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[biofuel] Re: A War Policy in Collapse

[motie_d]

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Published on Tuesday, March 4, 2003 by the Boston Globe 
> 
>  A War Policy in Collapse 
>  by James Carroll
>  http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0304-01.htm
> 



Keith and I discussed this possibilty off-list a few days ago. I'm 
glad to see it may be coming to pass.

Motie


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Re: [biofuel] Re: glycerol seperation and clouds

[Keith Addison]

Hi again Jack

>mark and keith - thanks for the advice.  I am going to go down to 
>the lab today and run several 1 liter tests, including reprocessing 
>and the oil wash (intersesting idea!).  I will report on what I find.

Forgot to say, re the oil wash, measure the pH of the wash water 
before and after, dry the oil, then titrate it again.

Best

Keith


>What is the philosophy behind mixing the glycerine back in after 
>seperation?  and might that also be a help in my situation?
>Is it possible that 5 gallons glycerine (1/8 volume) seperation on 
>40 gallons oil is normal?  What would be the consequence of burning 
>fuel in an engine if there were more glycerine to drop out?
>Thanks for the follow up - more soon on my trials.
>Best,
>Jack
>Jack Kenworthy
>Sustainable Systems Director
>The Cape Eleuthera Island School
>242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax
>www.islandschool.org


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[biofuel] HELP NEEDED WITH 1ST STAGE (FFA) CLEARIFICATION

[Johnsson Tomas]

Hello everyone,
 
I have been testing Alecs two stage process with little sucess and have had
problems with the glyreine not falling out.I had to add lye/methanol at
three different time after the 1 stage (acid stage) in order to get the
close to 20 % glycerine to fall out. 
 
I think the problems is that I am using very different WVO, I have fats
which are solid still at + 25¡C and fats that are floating at this temp,
some are sunflower and some are rapeseed and there are also some animal fats
among the ones. 
I know the problem might be a heating problem as I am not able to keep the
55¡C for very long time (1 hour then the temp starts to fall). I still want
to eliminate, investigate and clearify the problem with FFA and acid
esterification of the same.
 
I made several titrations of the latest batch and found that in order to
transesterify the batch 14-16 g/lye/kg to be used (single stage process) +
20% methanol (i use as standard)
 
The questions which occured is 
 
1. How do you meassure the FFA % in the WVO can some one explain the process
I have made it according to Journey Forever instructions, is there any other
way of doing the titration? 
2. What is the FFA % in the oil if the result of the titration (Journey
forevere) is 15 g lye/kg fat and do you have to know what the VO in order be
able to find the FFA % ?
 
I made 4 small samples of WVO and added 1 ml/lit acid (Alecs formula), 2
ml/lit, 3 ml/lit and 4 ml/lit to the samples. After one night reaction I
made a new titration of sampel 1 and 3 and the result was nearly the same
for the samples 8 g/lye/kg to be used. 
 
3. Is it possible to make a titration of oil after the acid stage in the
process and are the reults reliable?
4. What happens if to much acid is added and there are no FFA to be split
and is it possible to obtain reliable results from the titration under this
kind of circumstances?
5. Is Alecs 1 ml/lit acid stage splitting all FFA or just the moste part of
the same. 
6. Can the % of acid which need to be used (splitting FFA to below 1 % in
the WVO) be determined by the titration?
7. Can some one explain the reaction and suggest a way for how to proceed
with as I see the problem with FFA.  
 
I have been making biodiesel since 1999 the single stage process is very
familiar, but now when I have commenced to obtain different WVO`s I gave me
new challanges.
 
Thank you every one for keeping up the good work for a cleaner future and
especially Keith for freely putting down the efforts ditributing information
on how to do it.
 
Best Regards from a - 8¡C Finland
Tomas 
 

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Re: [biofuel] 2 chains of BioFuel Staions, do you know more?

[Tricia Liu]

No.1:Western Energetix - operates by Biodiesel Industries, has one in
Nevada(First Station opened on May 22nd, 2001)
   Only 2 pictures available, showing they are
selling B20 but no sign for the prices like the conventional
   gas station?
   Now as I was told has another one(Maybe No.2)
in San Jose, but no pictures at their website.
   Sent email to the big boss Mr.Teall at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for information and hope they can update
   their website.
No.2:Grassolean - Marketing group, working on selling Franchises. (May kill
me for disclosing their plan too soon!)
(Pun with gasoline!)
Don't know who is their BioFuel supplier!


Where are all the pumps and what are their price points?
Doing research as Mark suggested, but I can tell you.  Not much you can find
from Internet!  Members can upload photos of your local stations or pumps to
Yahoo photo and give us the link. Appreciate your help! members from all
over the world, not only in California.  Have to broaden the search and
please give picture showing the current prices, if possible!
Thanks!



> this list doesn't send attachments, so we can't send photos via list.
> There are lots of biodiesel pumps at various stations around the
> country. Look at the National Biodiesel Board website and follow a
> bunch of links- see what you can find. Biodiesel Industries is the
> company whose fuel is at the station in San Jose. Do a search for
> them, they have photos on the site I believe.
> mark
>




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Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption Was: excuse me .........

[Hakan Falk]

I was trying to joke. -:(

Hakan

At 02:29 PM 3/5/2003 +0900, you wrote:
> >Hi Ken B,
> >
> >At 10:48 PM 3/4/2003 +, you wrote:
> >
> > >I good diversionary subject could be Obesity. This one will satisfy dear
> > >Hakan since obesity kills ( and kills twice over)
> >
> >It is a problem for Europeans and for me too, I am smoking and
> >like good food. Have some overweight and am aware of that in my
> >age I would be a high risk insurance object. I try to look after my
> >eating and drinking and if I have to do it, it should be quality stuff.
> >
> >It is very seldom I am persuaded to eat at a well known US hamburger
> >chain, mostly when young people insist. The other day was one of this
> >rare occasions and I could not refrain myself of making the reflection
> >that US already started the chemical warfare a long time ago. This
> >places are against the Chemical Weapons Convention. Otherwise we
> >had a good day.
> >
> >Hakan
>
>Hi Hakan
>
>He's just trolling, take no notice. He'll take no notice of these,
>but have a look, very interesting:
>
>http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15119
>America: The Fattest Country
>(Review of Greg Critser's book "Fat Land: How Americans Became the
>Fattest People in the World")
>
>http://www.paho.org/English/DPI/100/100feature30.htm
>The Faces of Poverty: Malnourished, Hungry and... Obese?
>(Debunks the noxious idea that so many poor people can't really be
>poor at all because they're fat and can obviously afford to over-eat)
>
>http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/rollingstone1.html
>Rolling Stone magazine (USA), Issue 794, September 3rd 1998
>Fast-Food Nation: The True Cost Of America's Diet
>By National Magazine Award winner Eric Schlosser
>(Long but good!)
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
> > >Others will be happy since
> > >it is principally a US problem and it is on theme since all those fast 
> food
> > >outlets supply us with WVO. Is the collective conscience up to this one?
> > >
> > >Ken
>



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Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV's and gas consumption

[Keith Addison]

Hi Hakan

>I was trying to joke. -:(

No, not a failure!

The trouble is...

> > >that US already started the chemical warfare a long time ago. This
> > >places are against the Chemical Weapons Convention. Otherwise we
> > >had a good day.

... it's true!

See for instance:

"This Famishing World" by Alfred W. McCann, 1918
The subtitle says it all: "Food follies that maim and kill the rich 
and the poor -- that cheat the growing child and rob the prospective 
mother of health -- that burn up millions in treasure and fill 
untimely graves -- and the remedy." McCann was a journalist and food 
campaigner, and this is his story of what happens when food is 
divorced from its nature and function to become a mere industrial 
commodity. "Every pound of food juggled, changed, denatured or 
chemically treated is balanced by a pound of human flesh." Now more 
and more researchers are belatedly questioning the nutritional 
quality of our food, but most of them still only see a tiny part of 
the full picture McCann painted 84 years ago, and Price, McCarrison, 
the Cheshire medical panel, Pottenger, Cleave, Yellowlees and others 
after him. Full text online (with thanks to Kirk and Karen McLoren).
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Famish/famworldToC.html

:-(

Keith


>Hakan
>
>At 02:29 PM 3/5/2003 +0900, you wrote:
> > >Hi Ken B,
> > >
> > >At 10:48 PM 3/4/2003 +, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I good diversionary subject could be Obesity. This one will satisfy dear
> > > >Hakan since obesity kills ( and kills twice over)
> > >
> > >It is a problem for Europeans and for me too, I am smoking and
> > >like good food. Have some overweight and am aware of that in my
> > >age I would be a high risk insurance object. I try to look after my
> > >eating and drinking and if I have to do it, it should be quality stuff.
> > >
> > >It is very seldom I am persuaded to eat at a well known US hamburger
> > >chain, mostly when young people insist. The other day was one of this
> > >rare occasions and I could not refrain myself of making the reflection
> > >that US already started the chemical warfare a long time ago. This
> > >places are against the Chemical Weapons Convention. Otherwise we
> > >had a good day.
> > >
> > >Hakan
> >
> >Hi Hakan
> >
> >He's just trolling, take no notice. He'll take no notice of these,
> >but have a look, very interesting:
> >
> >http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15119
> >America: The Fattest Country
> >(Review of Greg Critser's book "Fat Land: How Americans Became the
> >Fattest People in the World")
> >
> >http://www.paho.org/English/DPI/100/100feature30.htm
> >The Faces of Poverty: Malnourished, Hungry and... Obese?
> >(Debunks the noxious idea that so many poor people can't really be
> >poor at all because they're fat and can obviously afford to over-eat)
> >
> >http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/rollingstone1.html
> >Rolling Stone magazine (USA), Issue 794, September 3rd 1998
> >Fast-Food Nation: The True Cost Of America's Diet
> >By National Magazine Award winner Eric Schlosser
> >(Long but good!)
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> > > >Others will be happy since
> > > >it is principally a US problem and it is on theme since all those fast
> > food
> > > >outlets supply us with WVO. Is the collective conscience up to this one?
> > > >
> > > >Ken


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"

[John E Hayes III]

aegent wrote:

>There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For
>example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to
>maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I
>have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my
>next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car
>options that fit my criteria.
>

I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs?  I've only had my Jetta TDI for 
about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3 
tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including 
aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the 
rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the 
car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized 
fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my 
next fillup to see if that helps.  At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm 
running around $0.0423 per mile.  Once I have a few more data points, 
and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web.

John





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Re: [biofuel] HELP NEEDED WITH 1ST STAGE (FFA) CLEARIFICATION

[Keith Addison]

Hello Tomas

>Hello everyone,
>
>I have been testing Alecs two stage process with little sucess and have had
>problems with the glyreine not falling out.I had to add lye/methanol at
>three different time after the 1 stage (acid stage) in order to get the
>close to 20 % glycerine to fall out.
>
>I think the problems is that I am using very different WVO, I have fats
>which are solid still at + 25¡C and fats that are floating at this temp,
>some are sunflower and some are rapeseed and there are also some animal fats
>among the ones.

Aleks told me this:

"It [the acid-base process] will take care of all sorts of veg fats, 
even heavily used. The "solid" portion must be reduced to less than 
50% because of the much lower acid stage temperature. Animal fats 
content is best at less than 25% for pork or chicken and less than 
10% for bovine. These fats at greater concentration should be 
processed base/base."

The base/base process is here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleks.html
Two-stage biodiesel process

>I know the problem might be a heating problem as I am not able to keep the
>55¡C for very long time (1 hour then the temp starts to fall).

Try longer agitation then.

>I still want
>to eliminate, investigate and clearify the problem with FFA and acid
>esterification of the same.
>
>I made several titrations of the latest batch and found that in order to
>transesterify the batch 14-16 g/lye/kg to be used (single stage process) +
>20% methanol (i use as standard)

14-16 g/lye/kg or 14-16 g/lye/litre? Either way, that's high - people 
have been eating food cooked in that stuff? Yuk.

You might try increasing the amount of methanol.

Also, have a look in the Biofuels-biz archive at the work done by 
Gumpon and Michael Allen in Thailand with the acid-base method using 
high FFA feed stock - do a search for "Michael Allen" (including the 
quotes):
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuels-biz

>The questions which occured is
>
>1. How do you meassure the FFA % in the WVO can some one explain the process

Very difficult - it's made up of various free fatty acids with 
different molecular weights, you'd have to know the precise content 
and makeup of the oils and fats you're using, and that still might 
not tell you the composition of the FFAs. You can get an idea from 
the tables here:
"How much methanol?"
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_meth.html

>I have made it according to Journey Forever instructions, is there any other
>way of doing the titration?
>2. What is the FFA % in the oil if the result of the titration (Journey
>forevere) is 15 g lye/kg fat and do you have to know what the VO in order be
>able to find the FFA % ?
>
>I made 4 small samples of WVO and added 1 ml/lit acid (Alecs formula), 2
>ml/lit, 3 ml/lit and 4 ml/lit to the samples. After one night reaction I
>made a new titration of sampel 1 and 3 and the result was nearly the same
>for the samples 8 g/lye/kg to be used.
>
>3. Is it possible to make a titration of oil after the acid stage in the
>process and are the reults reliable?

Yes, it's possible.

>4. What happens if to much acid is added and there are no FFA to be split
>and is it possible to obtain reliable results from the titration under this
>kind of circumstances?
>5. Is Alecs 1 ml/lit acid stage splitting all FFA or just the moste part of
>the same.

Most, I believe.

>6. Can the % of acid which need to be used (splitting FFA to below 1 % in
>the WVO) be determined by the titration?
>7. Can some one explain the reaction and suggest a way for how to proceed
>with as I see the problem with FFA.
>
>I have been making biodiesel since 1999 the single stage process is very
>familiar, but now when I have commenced to obtain different WVO`s I gave me
>new challanges.
>
>Thank you every one for keeping up the good work for a cleaner future and
>especially Keith for freely putting down the efforts ditributing information
>on how to do it.

Thankyou for saying so Tomas - as long as it's useful! :-)

Hope this helps

Regards

Keith


>Best Regards from a - 8¡C Finland
>Tomas


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"

[Steve Spence]

We have Mitsubishi Montero up here in the USA, and used to have a Chrysler
version (Raider). I had the Mitsubishi Expo (Dodge Colt Vista). No diesel
version, sorry to say. 7 passenger Mini-Wagon.


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not "all"


> Hello Keith
>
> As you wrote many Japanese vehicles are exported second hand, the Town-Ace
> is a common one here in Paraguay (a Spanish speaking country) the 4WD or
> 2WD with diesel engines, the reason is that diesel fuel is cheaper than
> gasoline here. Here there are more Toyota Hi-Ace, old gasoline powered,
> then came the diesel engines in newer ones and the larger Previa is rare
> because it was usually imported with gas engines.
>
> Many Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD were imported directly from Japan, second-hand,
> via the Iquique Port in Chile. The brand name for Spanish speaking
> countries is Montero 4WD. The meaning for Montero is something or someone
> that grew up or lives in mountains or it is a hunter and the meaning for
> Pajero is someone that sells 'paja' or a straw-dealer in English. More
> often Pajero is referred as well around here to a  'w_nk_r'.
>
> I do not understand how Japanese car companies marketing departments put
> different brand names for the same product in different markets that it
> suppose to be global, just some examples:
>
> Toyota 'Corsa' (corsican in spanish) = Toyota Corolla
> Mazda 'Familia' (family in spanish) = Mazda 323
> Mazda Capella (small chapell in italian I think) = Mazda 626
> Nissan 'Safari' (hunting trip in spanish) = Nissan Patrol
>
> Best Regards
>
> Juan
>
> >Didn't they call the early one the Previa too?
>
> Dunno - depends where in the world you were at the time maybe.
>
> >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini
> >van". it
> > > >was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the
> >sienna.
> > > >http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html
> > >
> > > Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also
> > > Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember
> > > a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV
> > > and a Brazilian member told him what it meant?
> > >
> > > >Our 94 diesel Pajero...
> > > >
> > > >what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is
> >what in
> > > >oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in
> >what is
> > > >supposed to be a 'global' product
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> >I thought they spoke Portugese in Brazil? Seems like Richard Fineman
> >found out the hard way.
>
> They do speak Portuguese in Brazil, but many of them also speak
> English and Spanish. IIRC this man was a Brazilian who'd lived and
> worked in the US and Europe and now divided his time between Uruguay
> and Argentina.
>
> > > D'you think I should tell them?
> > >
> > > Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a
> > > camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back
> > > and you can get a big load of stuff in there.
> > >
> > > That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard
> > > to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space
> > > inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here.
> > >
> > > How about this? -
> > >
> > > >The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to
> > > >8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current
> > > >seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three,
> > > >go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info
> > > >website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can
> > > >expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a 2003
> > > >Toyota or Honda model.
> > > http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/TheBottomLineonReliability.htm
> > >
> > > Interesting stats.
> > >
> >
> >Yes but what do they mean? Is -0.63 a big reliability difference or is
> >-6.3 or -63.0?
>
> Seems clear enough to me. Confirms other reports we've had (archives)
> about much higher quality control by the Japanese auto companies in
> the US than the Big Three.
>
> Keith
>
>
> >The comment "Second, there is no evident need to
> >improve." seems to mean fron context that the sales do not dictate a
> >need for improvement but it also may mean that the differences are not
> >that severe.
> >
> >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For
> >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to
> >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why

Re: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"

[Steve Spence]

Depending on the year Jetta TDI, you should be getting over 50mpg.

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not "all"


> aegent wrote:
>
> >There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For
> >example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to
> >maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I
> >have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my
> >next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car
> >options that fit my criteria.
> >
>
> I assumed you've looked at the VW TDIs?  I've only had my Jetta TDI for
> about 5 weeks but I'm loving it thus far. Lifetime fuel economy (eg 3
> tanks so far) using petrodiesel is a hair under 42mpg, including
> aggressive urban highway driving and 80+ mph cruise speeds through the
> rolling hills of eastern CT. Presumably, my mileage will increase as the
> car breaks in and weather warms up (less idling and non-winterized
> fuel). I'm also going to try boosting tire pressure to 38/40 psi with my
> next fillup to see if that helps.  At Connecticut diesel prices, I'm
> running around $0.0423 per mile.  Once I have a few more data points,
> and try running some BD, I'll throw some graphs on the web.
>
> John
>
>
>
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RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe "just one" Was: Perhaps "many" .. but not "all"

[Juan Boveda]

Hello Keith

As you wrote many Japanese vehicles are exported second hand, the Town-Ace 
is a common one here in Paraguay (a Spanish speaking country) the 4WD or 
2WD with diesel engines, the reason is that diesel fuel is cheaper than 
gasoline here. Here there are more Toyota Hi-Ace, old gasoline powered, 
then came the diesel engines in newer ones and the larger Previa is rare 
because it was usually imported with gas engines.

Many Mitsubishi Pajero 4WD were imported directly from Japan, second-hand, 
via the Iquique Port in Chile. The brand name for Spanish speaking 
countries is Montero 4WD. The meaning for Montero is something or someone 
that grew up or lives in mountains or it is a hunter and the meaning for 
Pajero is someone that sells 'paja' or a straw-dealer in English. More 
often Pajero is referred as well around here to a  'w_nk_r'.

I do not understand how Japanese car companies marketing departments put 
different brand names for the same product in different markets that it 
suppose to be global, just some examples:

Toyota 'Corsa' (corsican in spanish) = Toyota Corolla
Mazda 'Familia' (family in spanish) = Mazda 323
Mazda Capella (small chapell in italian I think) = Mazda 626
Nissan 'Safari' (hunting trip in spanish) = Nissan Patrol

Best Regards

Juan

>Didn't they call the early one the Previa too?

Dunno - depends where in the world you were at the time maybe.

>--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >That "town ace" looks a lot like what Toyota sold here as "the mini
>van". it
> > >was the predecessor to the previa, which was the predecessor to the
>sienna.
> > >http://www.velocityjrnl.com/jrnl/1984/vmd5024ov.html
> >
> > Never heard of the Previa or the Sienna. Marketing, sure, but also
> > Japanese car companies and names are something else. Do you remember
> > a while back when an Oz member said he had a Mitsubishi Pajero SUV
> > and a Brazilian member told him what it meant?
> >
> > >Our 94 diesel Pajero...
> > >
> > >what's in a name ? in most spanish speaking countries a 'pajero' is
>what in
> > >oz is known as a 'w_nk_r'. could never understand such a name in
>what is
> > >supposed to be a 'global' product
> >
> > :-)
>
>I thought they spoke Portugese in Brazil? Seems like Richard Fineman
>found out the hard way.

They do speak Portuguese in Brazil, but many of them also speak
English and Spanish. IIRC this man was a Brazilian who'd lived and
worked in the US and Europe and now divided his time between Uruguay
and Argentina.

> > D'you think I should tell them?
> >
> > Anyway I don't know why it's called a Town-Ace, it's geared as a
> > camper - sleeps two comfortably, or seats eight, or fold it all back
> > and you can get a big load of stuff in there.
> >
> > That could be a Town-Ace in the picture Steve, an older one, bit hard
> > to tell from the back. Hm... Sienna, okay, longer nose, smaller space
> > inside I guess, prolly faster. I don't know what they call them here.
> >
> > How about this? -
> >
> > >The Reliability Index Values are based on reported problems in 6 to
> > >8 year old vehicles. To see an extrapolation of the current
> > >seven-year Reliability Index gap between Toyota and the Big Three,
> > >go to the Bottom Line on Reliability web page of the Auto on Info
> > >website. This web page will give you an idea as to what you can
> > >expect of a new 2003 Big Three engineered model relative to a 2003
> > >Toyota or Honda model.
> > http://www.autooninfo.net/AutoonInfo/TheBottomLineonReliability.htm
> >
> > Interesting stats.
> >
>
>Yes but what do they mean? Is -0.63 a big reliability difference or is
>-6.3 or -63.0?

Seems clear enough to me. Confirms other reports we've had (archives)
about much higher quality control by the Japanese auto companies in
the US than the Big Three.

Keith


>The comment "Second, there is no evident need to
>improve." seems to mean fron context that the sales do not dictate a
>need for improvement but it also may mean that the differences are not
>that severe.
>
>There is more to ownership than baseline reliability costs. For
>example the Honda and Toyota are (in my experience) more costly to
>maintain. Then there is the dealer experience. Ford dealers are why I
>have probably bought my last Ford ever. I was looking at Toyota for my
>next car but I think it will be a Diesel and there are no new car
>options that fit my criteria.
>
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
>
>
> > 
>
>td


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[biofuel] BioDiesel in space heaters?

[aegent]

I've done a fair amount of digging and see a number or articles about
BioDiesel in oil furnaces but am curious about the application in
small space heaters.

I am looking at getting a small space heater to heat a work area and
would like to know about how practical thhis would be? 

In general any experiences are welcome and anyone in the US that can
point to specific products they are familiar with would be good.

The oil heater from Mother Earth News on JtoF also looks interesting.
Has anyone tried to build one and use NioDiesel in it as heating oil?

Regards
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[biofuel] Luntz memo exposes Bush's new green strategy

[murdoch]

>Didn't George W Bush announce his support in developing fuel cells?  Seems
>to me there are a number of compelling arguments for alternative fuels and
>fuel cell technologies without even having to bring in the global warming
>debate.

Yes indeed, there are a number of arguments on various levels for
alternative energies and fuel cells and *many* other technologies, not to
mention arguments for addressing whether we really do have free and
competitive and rightly-set-up markets and rights in these areas.

On the narrow issue of Mr. Bush mentioning fuel cells, and on a few other
fuel-cell related issues, I wanted to call some attention to this article:

http://www.forbes.com/2003/02/28/cz_nh_0228adviserqa.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=

a quote:

"Bush and [Energy Secretary Spencer] Abraham are running around talking
about fuel cells and hydrogen for political reasons. He talked about
spending $1.7 billion over five years which would then go to fossil fuel
companies--but that won't get us off Saudi oil. Excuse me for being
cynical." 

end quote

I, and the interview subject (whom I know slightly), and many other
activists are more or less of like mind that Mr. Bush's "support" of fuel
cells is questionable at best.  What I've been meaning to say is this:
despite the fact that Mr. Bush has endorsed the pursuit of a Hydrogen
economy, it is still possible that fuel cells are an excellent technology
worth pursuing.  The endorsement of this Administration, which has pursued
horrifically bad energy policy from the beginning, should not induce us to
have a knee-jerk reaction of rejecting discussion of fuel cells and the
like.

So long as I'm at it:

I love the idea of pursuing fuel cells (elimination of carnot cycle
inefficiencies! Yea!) .  I love hybrids for that matter (help eliminate
wasted energy idling at stop lights! They help recycle the energy of motion
in regenerative braking!), and biofuels, and all manner of competing
technologies.  This is no excuse for the ignoring of other answers that has
been taking place by this Administration.  There is no excuse for the
rotten policy that they have been pursuing.  

Here we are, a year and a half after 9-11, and their idea of energy policy
is to myopically focus on two or three "solutions" (drilling in ANWR, the
rockies, Russian imports, strengthening the grid), all of which might help
a little, none of which is a total solution or without problems, and
consistently ignoring many many other energy policy issues so very badly in
need of addressing (ordering better alternative fuel vehicles on behalf of
the federal government, ordering solar energy instead of claiming it needs
more "research", making sure we are not exporting entire nascient energy
industries to China, calling attention to the oil companies' recent
worldwide scaling-back of solar PV manufacturing insofar as they own a good
chunk of worldwide production. an act which has gone virtually entirely
un-discussed worldwide).  

Perhaps one of the most important of all, they could do much more to get
better net-metering policies into place, right now, nationwide.  They could
also *really* endorse some switch away from imported oil (they could at
least *mention* that there is disagreement about BEVs and their future).
Their claims to be interested in really working on this are a joke.

When has the President or his team called sufficient attention to these
issues?  When have they gone to the mat for something other than meeting
the threats to all human life, defending the country through violence
(competently or not) or scaling back environmental concerns including
legitimate ones predicated in a concern with real damage to property that
takes place?  There are many other fronts on which they could be fighting
their various battles, but they're deliberately ignoring those fronts, and
thereby they are causing some problems to worsen rather than improve.

MM


>Randy Scott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> http://www.legitgov.org/
>> 
>> http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news
>> 
>> Luntz memo exposes Bush's new green strategy --The Republican party is
>> changing tactics on the environment, avoiding "frightening" phrases such as
>> global warming, after a confidential party memo warned that it is the
>> domestic issue on which George Bush is most vulnerable. The memo, by the
>> leading Republican consultant Frank Luntz, concedes the party has "lost the
>> environmental communications battle" and urges its politicians to encourage
>> the public in the view that there is no scientific consensus on the dangers
>> of greenhouse gases. [*Luntz is the one that is continually trotted out as
>> the polling pundit, as he was during coup 2000, etc. --conveniently failing
>> to mention that he is a Republican consultant.]


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[biofuel] Malnutrition was, SUV's and gas consumption

[Hakan Falk]

Keith,

Very interesting reading and especially if you think that it was
from 1918. In those times the nutrition was much more of a
medical science than today. All geared up to keep a body that
would survive illnesses that was fatal at time. A knowledge that
should be saved and used even today.

The arrival of antibiotics was a "silver bullet" for this situation and
this valuable knowledge started to be disregarded. Something that
I belive was a big loss. Malnutrition is a serious problem, even in
the more developed countries, but is masked by successful
treatment of illnesses.

I was involved some years ago in Swedish donation campaigns for
"barefoot doctors" and education in third world countries. One of the
UN statistics that stayed in my mind since then is the following
statement,

"Two thirds of the world children have irreparable brain damages
because of malnutrition, half of them because of lack of food and
half of them because of religious beliefs or traditions. It is dependent
on the mothers nutrition during the pregnancy and the child's
nutrition during the first 9 month. A mother with a proper diet who
is breast feeding, is the best guarantee for a healthy child and it's
future".

This means that it is a serious problem were 50% can and must be
addressed only by education.  It is therefore not only a problem
of poverty and lack of resources. It is only 50% is an availability
and resource problem.

I learned this 30 years ago and it is still not common knowledge.
It should be screamed out from all the rooftops in the world. I always
state this whenever i get an opportunity and this is one of them. By
improving this we will give the world more people capable of making
biofuels and avoided the Saddam/George problem. This to prove it's
relevance as topic for this list.

Hakan

At 10:27 PM 3/5/2003 +0900, you wrote:
>Hi Hakan
>
> >I was trying to joke. -:(
>
>No, not a failure!
>
>The trouble is...
>
> > > >that US already started the chemical warfare a long time ago. This
> > > >places are against the Chemical Weapons Convention. Otherwise we
> > > >had a good day.
>
>... it's true!
>
>See for instance:
>
>"This Famishing World" by Alfred W. McCann, 1918
>The subtitle says it all: "Food follies that maim and kill the rich
>and the poor -- that cheat the growing child and rob the prospective
>mother of health -- that burn up millions in treasure and fill
>untimely graves -- and the remedy." McCann was a journalist and food
>campaigner, and this is his story of what happens when food is
>divorced from its nature and function to become a mere industrial
>commodity. "Every pound of food juggled, changed, denatured or
>chemically treated is balanced by a pound of human flesh." Now more
>and more researchers are belatedly questioning the nutritional
>quality of our food, but most of them still only see a tiny part of
>the full picture McCann painted 84 years ago, and Price, McCarrison,
>the Cheshire medical panel, Pottenger, Cleave, Yellowlees and others
>after him. Full text online (with thanks to Kirk and Karen McLoren).
>http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Famish/famworldToC.html
>
>:-(
>
>Keith
>
>
> >Hakan
> >
> >At 02:29 PM 3/5/2003 +0900, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Ken B,
> > > >
> > > >At 10:48 PM 3/4/2003 +, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I good diversionary subject could be Obesity. This one will 
> satisfy dear
> > > > >Hakan since obesity kills ( and kills twice over)
> > > >
> > > >It is a problem for Europeans and for me too, I am smoking and
> > > >like good food. Have some overweight and am aware of that in my
> > > >age I would be a high risk insurance object. I try to look after my
> > > >eating and drinking and if I have to do it, it should be quality stuff.
> > > >
> > > >It is very seldom I am persuaded to eat at a well known US hamburger
> > > >chain, mostly when young people insist. The other day was one of this
> > > >rare occasions and I could not refrain myself of making the reflection
> > > >that US already started the chemical warfare a long time ago. This
> > > >places are against the Chemical Weapons Convention. Otherwise we
> > > >had a good day.
> > > >
> > > >Hakan
> > >
> > >Hi Hakan
> > >
> > >He's just trolling, take no notice. He'll take no notice of these,
> > >but have a look, very interesting:
> > >
> > >http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15119
> > >America: The Fattest Country
> > >(Review of Greg Critser's book "Fat Land: How Americans Became the
> > >Fattest People in the World")
> > >
> > >http://www.paho.org/English/DPI/100/100feature30.htm
> > >The Faces of Poverty: Malnourished, Hungry and... Obese?
> > >(Debunks the noxious idea that so many poor people can't really be
> > >poor at all because they're fat and can obviously afford to over-eat)
> > >
> > >http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/rollingstone1.html
> > >Rolling Stone magazine (USA), Issue 794, September 3rd 1998
> > >Fast-Food Nation: The True Cost Of America's Diet
> > >By National Mag

Re: [biofuel] Re: New Biodiesel fuel station in San Jose open to public - no cardlock needed!

[James Slayden]

Just saw the price of Diesel #2 at the local Shell for $2.23.  Looks like
things are moving upward.  The San Jose BD pump is looking more affordable
by the minute. 

On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, murdoch wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:23:21 -, you wrote:
> 
> >I will be keeping a record of my milage on B100.  My baseline for
> >Dinodiesel #2 is 23.3 mpg average over 17 records, highest mpg= 26.6.
> 
> Awesome, thx.  I will look forward to this, and then we should be able to
> do a $ per mile cost calculation and get a sense of how much further we
> have to go to reach those who care about that, and nothing else.
> 
> There was a newspaper article today about the national price of gas.  The
> price per barrel has come down a few dollars, but the price at the pump
> is
> lingering (I don't think it's that surprising that there's a little lag).
> Of course, there's all sorts of moral outrage about gouging and so forth.
> 
> But another point mentioned was the number of smaller trucker (owning
> something like 9 trucks or less) who have been put out of business and
> continue to be, when these price spikes occurr.  The larger truckers also
> feel it, but do have better mechanisms in place apparently to pass on
> some
> of the costs.
> 
> If B100 could ever be reduced enough in price to really be competitive on
> that basis, then it would be interesting to see if it would help these
> folks who are being so affected by petro-diesel costs.
> 
> AT the pump down the street here, #2 is about $1.95, so it sounds like
> you're at about an 80 cent premium, if your #2 is around the same.
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Re: [biofuel] Malnutrition was, SUV's and gas consumption

[Keith Addison]

Hi Hakan

You should prowl around our Small Farms Library a bit, loads of 
interesting stuff there. If you liked This Famishing World, and in 
view of the UN quote (I feel the same about that, for a LONG time!), 
try Weston A Price (THE classic!) and the estimable Dr Wrench (and 
then McCarrison et al). Those who know this ground-breaking work 
shake their heads at the efforts of modern medicine and 
nutritionists. No use how smart you are and how wonderful your 
equipment if you start in the wrong place and head in the wrong 
direction.

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html
Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever

>Keith,
>
>Very interesting reading and especially if you think that it was
>from 1918. In those times the nutrition was much more of a
>medical science than today. All geared up to keep a body that
>would survive illnesses that was fatal at time. A knowledge that
>should be saved and used even today.

Very good point!

>The arrival of antibiotics was a "silver bullet" for this situation and
>this valuable knowledge started to be disregarded. Something that
>I belive was a big loss. Malnutrition is a serious problem, even in
>the more developed countries, but is masked by successful
>treatment of illnesses.

The other side of this coin is over-use, and sheer abuse - the abuse 
being in agricultural antibiotics use. The nemesis of this hubris is 
now upon us, with last line of defence antibiotics now useless 
against several killer diseases. The first *official* warnings of 
this danger came more than 30 years ago. Bayer, eg, was still in 
denial about it until very recently, maybe they still are - the 
bottom line is so much more important!

See "Antibiotic use":
http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous2.html#0405

>I was involved some years ago in Swedish donation campaigns for
>"barefoot doctors" and education in third world countries. One of the
>UN statistics that stayed in my mind since then is the following
>statement,
>
>"Two thirds of the world children have irreparable brain damages
>because of malnutrition, half of them because of lack of food and
>half of them because of religious beliefs or traditions. It is dependent
>on the mothers nutrition during the pregnancy and the child's
>nutrition during the first 9 month. A mother with a proper diet who
>is breast feeding, is the best guarantee for a healthy child and it's
>future".

Again, read Weston Price! Please!
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#price

and:
The Wheel of Health by G.T. Wrench
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#Wrench_WoH

And, for the downside:
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/bulletin.cfm?Issue_ID=1646&bulletin_ID=48

"Chiefly because of this false advertising [of infant formula], 
according to UNICEF, 1.5 million infants die each year because their 
mothers unwittingly prepare infant formula with contaminated water, 
causing fatal diarrhea."

This is a shocking story.

Re the brain damage, protein deficiencies in the first five years 
will permanently stunt brain growth.

>This means that it is a serious problem were 50% can and must be
>addressed only by education.  It is therefore not only a problem
>of poverty and lack of resources. It is only 50% is an availability
>and resource problem.
>
>I learned this 30 years ago and it is still not common knowledge.
>It should be screamed out from all the rooftops in the world. I always
>state this whenever i get an opportunity and this is one of them. By
>improving this we will give the world more people capable of making
>biofuels and avoided the Saddam/George problem. This to prove it's
>relevance as topic for this list.

All the same subject as far as I'm concerned, and I think you as 
well, though others will no doubt disagree.

Regards

Keith



>Hakan
>
>At 10:27 PM 3/5/2003 +0900, you wrote:
> >Hi Hakan
> >
> > >I was trying to joke. -:(
> >
> >No, not a failure!
> >
> >The trouble is...
> >
> > > > >that US already started the chemical warfare a long time ago. This
> > > > >places are against the Chemical Weapons Convention. Otherwise we
> > > > >had a good day.
> >
> >... it's true!
> >
> >See for instance:
> >
> >"This Famishing World" by Alfred W. McCann, 1918
> >The subtitle says it all: "Food follies that maim and kill the rich
> >and the poor -- that cheat the growing child and rob the prospective
> >mother of health -- that burn up millions in treasure and fill
> >untimely graves -- and the remedy." McCann was a journalist and food
> >campaigner, and this is his story of what happens when food is
> >divorced from its nature and function to become a mere industrial
> >commodity. "Every pound of food juggled, changed, denatured or
> >chemically treated is balanced by a pound of human flesh." Now more
> >and more researchers are belatedly questioning the nutritional
> >quality of our food, but most of them still only see a tiny part of
> >the full picture McCann painted 84 years ago, and Price, McCarrison,
> >the Cheshire medical

[biofuel] Overdrive

[Keith Addison]

US stats.


http://www.gristmagazine.com/counter/counter022603.asp?source=daily
26 Feb 2003

Overdrive

* 214,000,000 -- number of vehicles in the U.S. [1

* 290,000,000 -- number of people in the U.S. [2

* 2 -- number of American cars on the Top 20 list in "The Greenest 
Vehicles of 2003," produced by the American Council for an 
Energy-Efficient Economy (the other 18 are Japanese) [3

* 22,802 -- miles per year driven by the average family in 1983 [4

* 34,459 -- miles per year driven by the average family in 1995 [5

* 24,902 -- circumference of the Earth, in miles [6

* 19 -- percentage of the average U.S. household budget devoted to 
transportation [7

* 50 -- percentage increase in cars and trucks on the road between 
1970 and 1990 [8

* 19,000,000 -- number of trips taken per day in the U.S. on public 
transportation [9

* 1,000,000,000 -- number of trips taken per day in the U.S. via all 
means of transport [10

* 5,170 -- amount, in dollars, the average motorist paid to drive a 
car 15,000 miles in 1990 [11

* 1,600 -- number of hours the average American male devotes to his 
car each year [12

* 54,000,000 to 232,400,000,000 -- estimated cost, in dollars, of 
automobile pollution in the U.S. each year [13

* 18 -- average fuel economy, in miles per gallon, of SUVs and pickup 
trucks on U.S. roads [14

* 700 -- estimated cost, in dollars per vehicle, to achieve fuel 
efficiency of 40 miles per gallon [15

-- by Jim Motavalli

Sources:

1. Earth Policy Institute.
http://www.earth-policy.org/Alerts/Alert12.htm

2. U.S. Census Bureau.
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/popclock

3. ACEEE Green Book.
http://www.greenercars.com/12green.html

4. Nationwide Personal Transportation Survey.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/1995/index.html

5. Nationwide Personal Transportation Survey.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/1995/index.html

6. Planet Pals.
http://www.planetpals.com/planet2.html

7. Progress, February 2003, newsletter of the Surface Transportation 
Policy Project.
http://www.transact.org/progress.asp

8. Holtz Kay, Jane, Asphalt Nation: How the Automobile Took Over 
America and How We Can Take it Back (New York: Crown), 1997. Page 16.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/partner?partner_id=25450&cgi=product&is 
bn=0520216202

9. Holtz Kay, Jane, Asphalt Nation: How the Automobile Took Over 
America and How We Can Take it Back (New York: Crown), 1997. Page 16.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/partner?partner_id=25450&cgi=product&is 
bn=0520216202

10. U.S. Department of Transportation data, cited in Motavalli, Jim, 
Breaking Gridlock: Moving Toward Transportation That Works (San 
Francisco: Sierra Club Books), 2001. Page 9.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/partner?partner_id=25450&cgi=product&is 
bn=1578050391

11. U.S. Department of Transportation data, cited in Motavalli, Jim, 
Breaking Gridlock: Moving Toward Transportation That Works (San 
Francisco: Sierra Club Books), 2001. Page 9.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/partner?partner_id=25450&cgi=product&is 
bn=1578050391

12. American Automobile Association, quoted in Nadis, Steve and 
MacKenzie, James J., Car Trouble (Boston: Beacon Press), 1993. Page 9.
http://www.carbusters.org/freesources/stats.php

13. Alvord, Katie, Divorce Your Car! (Gabriola Island, British 
Columbia: New Society Publishers), 2000. Page 108.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/partner?partner_id=25450&cgi=product&is 
bn=0865714088

14. The Detroit Project.
http://www.thedetroitproject.com/readmore/talkingpoints.htm

15. ACEEE, quoted in Doyle, Jack, Taken for a Ride: Detroit's Big 
Three and the Politics of Pollution (New York: Four Walls Eight 
Windows), 2000. Page 259.
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/partner?partner_id=25450&cgi=product&is 
bn=1568581475
- - - - - - - - -

Jim Motavalli is editor of E: The Environmental Magazine, a regular 
contributor to the New York Times, and author of Breaking Gridlock: 
Moving Toward Transportation That Works.


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[biofuel] Luntz memo exposes Bush's new green strategy

[murdoch]

>be able to survive transport with very low loss. I don't see
>hydrogen as something that can be efficiently delivered, unless
>something like carbon nanotubes actually works out. If it is
>produced at our homes for our cars, that is not an "economy".
>
>Mike LaBonte

I think it can be efficiently delivered, but not as Hydrogen.  I think, for
example, that ethanol (CH2CH3OH) or Methanol (CH3OH) (or something along
those lines) can be viewed as a transporter of hydrogen to a fuel cell.
These substances are liquid under generally-found conditions and can be
handled, within reason (yes, I know methanol is "nasty" and toxic in some
ways, but compared to some other things, it can be used, and it's just an
example).  Another prime fuel for fuel cells will be Methane (CH4) aka
"Natural Gas" (basically).  

Some of these substances can be used in fuel cells, with reforming
generally.  I think in some cases, it is not *that* hard, though more
effort is necessary.  The best evworld.com article I read on a fuel cell
vehicle was a Mercedes Benz Methanol-powered one.  I think it's a
misconception that we "must" shoot for a pure Hydrogen economy in order to
enjoy the benefits of fuel cells, and frankly this may be a case where
President Bush's oft-discussed lack of super-intelligence may actually have
come into play.  

Usually I dismiss those comments (he's consistently under-estimated by
many) but in this case, I don't think he's intelligent enough to understand
not only energy policy technical issues, but to some extent even the fact
that his advisers are misinforming him and misforming National Energy
Policy.  However, I don't want to credit him with that much good intention.
Even if he detected misinformation I'm not sure he'd act to correct it.  As
I said, I do credit him with some intelligence, and I don't think he's
completely unaware that his Energy Policies are botched at best and
completely ill-intended at worst.

A year or two ago he did go on record in commenting on alternative energies
that he thought they were "good ideas" (or something to that effect) but
that he "wasn't sure" (or something to that effect) that they were ready...
as though he's given it much thought then or since!  

Also, it probably should be repeated that a major act of derision during
the Presidential campaign was done in calling attention to Candidate Gore's
call for some sort of ending of the Internal Combustion Engine.  

What exactly has President Bush now done?  

Another derision was by Candidate Cheney against owners of Solar Panels and
EVs that they should probably vote for the other guy.  He did visit a
fuel cell manufacturer and praise it his exactly language was to
mention that it used Hydrocarbons (Natural Gas CH4 I believe)... this
seemed to be a criteria of his for granting praise.  So, apparently, he is
less supportive of a technology unless it makes use of Hydrocarbons.

As for calls for a Hydrogen Economy, since most Hydrogen now is presently
derived from Natural Gas and will continue to be partly derived from
Hydrocarbons, it's not hard to see why it doesn't much bother the existing
Hydrocarbon folks.  I like fuel cells very much, despite all this, and
eventually the source of their various fuels can be changed to a renewable
source, I believe, with some effort.

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Re: [biofuel] Prefilter for fuel filter

[Steve Spence]

those little clear gasoline filters from the auto store will save your main
filter.

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> Hello,
>
> I will be putting my first tank of homemade BD to the
> test when it warms up here a little.  My car has 435k
> km on it, so it will be a little dirty.  I was
> wondering if anybody knows of a prefilter you can get
> so that you don't have to keep replacing fuel filters
> for the first month.  I have a 93 VW jetta, but I
> would think a piece like this would work in any car.
> ANy ideas?  Also, thanks to everybody who has helped
> me with ideas on where to find supplies:)
>
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[biofuel] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace diesel

[Steve Spence]

Big deal, we've been doing this for years .

http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm

see http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html for a partial list of
plants that can do the same.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut/index.htm
l
Desert shrub may offer diesel fuel alternative
Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Posted: 1:18 PM EST (1818 GMT)


LONDON (Reuters) -- Egyptian scientists believe an oil commonly used in
cosmetic products could be a viable alternative to diesel fuel to power cars
and trucks.

Researchers at Helwan University in Cairo and the United Arab Emirates
University in Al-Ain have tested jojoba oil in engines and say that not only
does it work as well as diesel, but the engines spew out fewer pollutants.

"Engineers think the oil has potential as a motor fuel because it releases a
lot of energy when it burns and is chemically stable at the high
temperatures and pressures in a working engine," New Scientist magazine said
on Wednesday.

Until now the oil derived from the nut of the jojoba, a desert shrub, has
been used in facial and hair products and as a base for make-up.

Mohamed Selim, who headed the research team, thinks it has potential as an
alternative fuel because it contains less carbon than diesel, so there are
lower emissions of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and soot.

But he added that producing sufficient amounts of jojoba oil to use as an
alternative fuel could be a problem.

"The use of jojoba as a fuel needs huge quantities of seeds, which needs
large investment, probably by the government or private sector," he said.

New Scientist said farmers in Egypt are already planting jojoba shrubs with
the idea of providing the oil for fuel.

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[biofuel] Fw: [Audi-VW-Diesels] FW: Thiellert diesel aircraft engines

[Steve Spence]

biodiesel/veggie oil aircraft anyone?

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> Here's the latest from the diesel aircraft engine front.
> -James
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[biofuel] BSE & UK Waste Oil

[Darren]

A patch together of some recent mails from a UK waste oil processor to
myself.
I found the insight into the waste oil industry interesting

--

I read your site with interest.  However there has never been a proven
link between vegetable oil and BSE, as vegetable oil cannot contain BSE.

If the food in it contained BSE, that could be a different matter, but
still only in theory with no proof.  Animal fat is not permitted in
animal feed and the

PAI audit our industry and all reputable collectors and processors
follow the HACCAP scheme when supplying into the animal feed chain.

The European response is not due to BSE but due to the Belgium Dioxin
Scare and the French Sewage Scandal which came to light in 1999.

The Belgiumâs had a system of collecting oil, much like bottle banks.
People just took their waste cooking oil to a local recycling bank.
However,

People also put in mineral oil in the same collecting banks, leading to
a major problem with Belgium chickens and eggs.

The French have no environmental laws regarding putting oil down the
drains.  The any oil which is not causing blocked drains, ends up
floating on the sewage work

Tanks.  This is then skimmed off, boiled up and feed to chickens.  This
is likely to have caused a number of E-coli outbreaks and deaths, far
more than BSE

Or though the French have never fully investigated the links between
sewage feed chickens and e-coli outbreaks.

-

With regards to food cooked in oil, the largest food group to be deep
fat fried is chips!, deep fried onions, mushrooms and fish make up a
considerable percentage.  Very little meat is deep fried.  Shallow fried
meat such as burgers and sausages, means that restaurants can tip frying
pan oil into a separate can and label it animal fat, cans labelled
animal fat go into our technical batches.  Our site is audited and has a
quarantine area for suspect material, showing a clear chain of how
material in this area is disposed of. The biggest "offender" for waste
animal fat is chicken rotisseries.  Following an audit by the big
supermarket chains in the early 90's groups such as ASDA found that
their chicken fat could no longer go into animal feed...at their
insistence, and prior to any legislation, they paid to have it
incinerated... contractors who claimed it would only be used in pet food
later took this oil, but I have a sneaking suspicion, that it ended up
as a stock base for soups for human consumption far worse than
perhaps feeding it back to animals!  Due to the high water content of
chickens, you may have seen recent articles on TV and in the press about
how they are pumped up with water, mainly a European practice, we tend
to avoid dealing with it.  In fact I recommend to friends, family and
anyone who mentions chicken, to ensure they buy British, and check
chicken products to see if produced in the UK, the practices abroad
involving chicken, would make even myself become a confirmed
vegetarian!! and it makes me laugh that some veggies will eat these
chickens, who live and die in appalling conditions, then which are pump
full of water and unsavoury other "ingredients".  British Farmers on the
whole, there are bad ones, as in all walks of life and industry, produce
meat to a higher standard and with one of highest levels of animal
welfare in the whole world, but are consistently under pressure from the
supermarkets to compete with cheap foreign imports and deal anti public
feeling, yet this same public will buy cheap foreign meat rather than
support one of the best and safest meat producers, whom just happen to
be on their doorstep!!  Most Kebab shops stopped using us when we
introduced charges and we no longer accept kebabs as customers.  As a
point of interest most of our young drivers who join us and may have
previously enjoyed a kebab, tended to stop after collecting material
from the back of kebabs, unfortunately, their ethnic status seems to
make most of the immune from prosecution or even visits from EHOs.
 
The ongoing proposed banning of animal fat and swill, is now scheduled
for November 2004. Whilst previous ban dates have come and gone, it is
likely that this is the final one.
 
Margaret Beckett, Minister for Rural Affairs, was asked by a
representative of the farming community, when this issue was
discussed... what about swill feed pigs from non European countries. Her
reply "swill feed pigs from other countries will have pass certain test
criteria", if swill feed pigs from other countries can pass some sort of
criteria, why is she destroying one of the most effective ways of
recycling waste food in the UK, by not allowing the same criteria in the
UK?  Again UK farmers this time in the pork industry, will have another
unfair playing field on which to compete, so like the foreign chicken, I
suspect UK pork will be the safest in the world to eat, but will the
public pay a fair price for this?
 
When we supply to the animal feed market, we have to pro

Re: [biofuel] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace diesel

[Dale Schutte]

Hi Steve.   Jojoba oil is indeed a high quality oil.  I planted some
back in the 70s when I lived in Yuma Arizona. It makes a very good
industrial lubricating oil as well as it's use for cosmetics. It
probably would make a good engine motor oil also. A few problems are
that the young plants are very sensitive to even a mild frost .  It
takes several years to get a reallly good harvest of the nuts from the
bushes I still say the real answer for producing oil is to grow algae
in enclosed, mechanized greenhouses using tubular reactor vessels to
optimize the utilization of sunlight.

Jojoba grows wild in the desert washes around Yuma AZ and it is a
favorite food of the mule deer in the summer when the nuts mature.
Most of the jojoba oil, that I know of comes from Mexico. The jojoba
nut is quite tasty. The oil doesn,t seem to get rancid either.  Dale

 On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:38:13 -0500, you wrote:

>
>
>
>
>Big deal, we've been doing this for years .
>
>href="http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm";>http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
>
>see href="http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
> for a partial list of
>plants that can do the same.
>
>href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut/index.htm";>http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut/index.htm
>l
>Desert shrub may offer diesel fuel alternative
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Posted: 1:18 PM EST (1818 GMT)
>
>
>LONDON (Reuters) -- Egyptian scientists believe an oil commonly used in
>cosmetic products could be a viable alternative to diesel fuel to power 
>cars
>and trucks.
>
>Researchers at Helwan University in Cairo and the United Arab Emirates
>University in Al-Ain have tested jojoba oil in engines and say that not 
>only
>does it work as well as diesel, but the engines spew out fewer pollutants.
>
>"Engineers think the oil has potential as a motor fuel because it 
>releases a
>lot of energy when it burns and is chemically stable at the high
>temperatures and pressures in a working engine," New Scientist magazine 
>said
>on Wednesday.
>
>Until now the oil derived from the nut of the jojoba, a desert shrub, has
>been used in facial and hair products and as a base for make-up.
>
>Mohamed Selim, who headed the research team, thinks it has potential as an
>alternative fuel because it contains less carbon than diesel, so there are
>lower emissions of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and soot.
>
>But he added that producing sufficient amounts of jojoba oil to use as an
>alternative fuel could be a problem.
>
>"The use of jojoba as a fuel needs huge quantities of seeds, which 
>needs
>large investment, probably by the government or private sector," he 
>said.
>
>New Scientist said farmers in Egypt are already planting jojoba shrubs with
>the idea of providing the oil for fuel.
>
>--
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Re: [biofuel] US-UK-Iraq disturbing war facts, was: Rumsfeldwarns on Iraq arms

[Appal Energy]

You couldn't possibly be saying that United States foreign policy is a
high-handed double standard, could you?

Well.you'd be right (or if your "left," you'd be right on target too).

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Subject: Re: [biofuel] US-UK-Iraq disturbing war facts, was: Rumsfeldwarns
on Iraq arms


> Just a little more to add about
>  a Study in Hypocrisy regarding
>  the Chemical Weapons Convention.
>
>
>  Written
>  February 1998  February 1998   February 1998   February 1998
>
>  The United States vs. Iraq --
>   A Study in Hypocrisy
>  by William Blum
>
>  "We have heard that a half million children have died,"
>  said "60 Minutes" reporter Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions
>  against Iraq.  "I mean, that's more children than died in
>  Hiroshima.  And -- and you know, is the price worth it?"
>  Her guest, in May 1996, U.N. Ambassador Madeleine
>  Albright, responded: "I think this is a very hard choice, but
>  the price -- we think the price is worth it."
>  Today, Secretary of State Albright travels around the
>  world to gather support for yet more bombing of Iraq.  The price,
>  apparently, is still worth it.  The price is of course being
>  paid solely by the Iraqi people -- a million or so men, women and
>  children, dead and a previously well-off nation plunged into
>  poverty, disease, and malnutrition from the previous bombings and
>  seven years of sanctions.
>  Their crime?  They have a leader who refuses to cede
>  all sovereignty to the United States (acting under its usual
>  United Nations cover) which demands that every structure in Iraq,
>  including the presidential palaces, be available for
>  inspection for "weapons of mass destruction".  After more
>  than six years of these inspections, and significant destruction
>  of stocks of forbidden chemical, biological, and nuclear weapon
>  material, as well as weapons research and development programs,
>  the UN team still refuses to certify that Iraq is clean enough.
>  Inasmuch as the country is larger than California, it's
>  understandable that the inspectors can not be certain that
>  all prohibited weapons have been uncovered.  It's equally
>  understandable that Iraq claims that the United States can,
>  and will, continue to find some excuse not to give Iraq the
>  certification needed to end the sanctions.  Indeed, President
>  Clinton has said more than once that the U.S. will not allow
>  sanctions to be lifted as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power.
>  It can be said that the United States has inflicted more vindictive
>  punishment and ostracism upon Iraq than upon Germany or Japan
>  after World War 2.
>  The Saddam Hussein regime must wonder at the high (double)
>  standard set by Washington.  Less than a year ago, the U.S.
>  Senate passed an act to implement the "Convention on the
>  Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and
>  Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction" (Short title:
>  Chemical Weapons Convention), an international treaty which
>  has been ratified by more than 100 nations in its five-year
>  life.
>  The Senate act, Section 307, stipulates that "the
>  President may deny a request to inspect any facility in the
>  United States in cases where the President determines that
>  the inspection may pose a threat to the national security
>  interests of the United States."  Saddam has asked for no more
>  than that for Iraq.  Presumably, under the Senate act, the White
>  House, Pentagon, etc. would be off limits, as Saddam insists his
>  presidential palaces should be, as well as the military unit
>  responsible for his personal security, which an American colonel
>  demanded to visit.
>  Section 303 further states
>  http://members.aol.com/bblum6/usvsiraq.htm
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Re: [biofuel] BioDiesel in space heaters?

[Appal Energy]

Biodiesel does not work well in the wick type kerosene heaters. The
viscosity is too high to get enough fuel to the combustion point. To use
biodiesel one would have to develop a new fuel supply system that fed the
fuel to the wick somewhere within 1" of the combustion point.

The same can be said for kerosene lamps. However, a person may have some
luck with the circular wicked Argand style lamps - those that have the metal
draft tube running through the center of the wick. The tendency here is for
the tube to exchange heat to the fuel in the fuel cell, reducing it's
"incident viscosity" and improving the wicking properties.

Not much different than a pre-heater for WVO or SVO systems - in a sense.

Todd Swearingen

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> I've done a fair amount of digging and see a number or articles about
> BioDiesel in oil furnaces but am curious about the application in
> small space heaters.
>
> I am looking at getting a small space heater to heat a work area and
> would like to know about how practical thhis would be?
>
> In general any experiences are welcome and anyone in the US that can
> point to specific products they are familiar with would be good.
>
> The oil heater from Mother Earth News on JtoF also looks interesting.
> Has anyone tried to build one and use NioDiesel in it as heating oil?
>
> Regards
> Tony Dean
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[biofuel] Re: Fw: [Audi-VW-Diesels] FW: Thiellert diesel aircraft engines

[aegent]

Steve,

This TAE engine looks pretty slick. I would have thought it was a bit
small for a PA28 or C172 but I did not yet find the powere numbers
yet. The low RPM torque of a Diesel is a very good thing in aircraft
applications. I have also listed the engines below that have generally
been talked about in the past for experimental class (US designation
for amateur built aircraft) aircraft.

I have been looking at Diesel engines for airplanes for years. I am
building a Mustang II http://www.mustangaero.com/ or
http://www.experimentalairplane.com/ .

The engines I had looked at are:
Zoche is a company that has been around for a long time but they have
been at Oshkosk for so many years that few believe it is ever coming
to market and if it does we cannot figure out how they will ever get
their investment back. It is one of the slickest engine designs out
there, I'v been watching them for five years so far.
http://www.zoche.de/

Deltahawk is one that has been around less time but people are
begining to get anxious. They have only been supposed to fly at Osh
for the past two years and have not done it. Still nice looking
technology.
http://www.deltahawkengines.com/

This one looks a bit more promising. My understanding is that it is
flying in the prototype. I got an email from them about the engine
with response to questions I had. I asked about BioDiesel: Answer: "
Not investigated yet.  In theory yes, our fuel system is very tolerant
of a range of fuels (no high pressure auto injection system)." Hopeful
but not in my price range yet.
http://www.wilksch.com/

The only one flying that I know of is the SMA but it appears cost
prohibitive for most of us. 
http://www.smaengines.com/

So that is from least available to most available but the most
promising one is the one from England at this time. Coolest design is
probably the Zoche design. I'll see what the TAE ppl are up to
tomorrow (US reps are in TX).

I really wanted a Diesel and it may be possible by the time I am done.
I am plans building so its years from flying. Currently I am leaning
towards a Subaru EJ25 like this one: http://members.aol.com/alwick/ 

td

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> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 PM
> Subject: [Audi-VW-Diesels] FW: Thiellert diesel aircraft engines
> 
> 
> > Here's the latest from the diesel aircraft engine front.
> > -James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==
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> >  from 03 March 2003
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> > ==
> >
> > Dear Sir or Madam,
> >
> > having announced further information in our last infomail we would
> > like to provide them now:
> >
> > 1. Series kick-off retrofit kits for Cessna 172 / First customer
> >aircraft shipped in march
> >
> > 2. Status of Piper PA 28 STC
> >
> > We hope to provide you helpful information and we are pleased
> > about your interest.
> >
> > Yours faithfully,
> >
> > Thielert Aircraft Engines GmbH
> >
> > --
> >
> > 1. SERIES KICK-OFF RETROFIT KITS FOR CESSNA 172 / FIRST CUSTOMER
> >AIRCRAFT SHIPPED IN MARCH
> >
> > At present, we are producing our CENTURION 1.7 jet fuel aircraft
> > engines and the installation parts for the Cessna 172. The delivery
> > times for the Cessna 172 retrofit installation parts have been
> > postponed. The reason for this being quality and supply bottlenecks on
> > the part of our suppliers. We are currently providing our suppliers
> > with significant levels of support in the transition to series
> > production, which in turn has produced the knock-on effect that our
> > internal resources cannot be used for the development of further
> > retrofit kits. Due to the limited capacities, we shall not be
> > extending our range of certified retrofit kits until after the
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> > aircraft successfully completed their ground roll tests and are due to
> > be shipped to their owners before the end of March.
> >
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> >
> > --
> >
> > 2. STATUS OF PIPER PA 28 STC
> >
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> > PA 28 has been postponed. We anticipate that the STC will be issued by
> > mid-April at AERO 2003 in Friedrichshafen, Ge

RE: [biofuel] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace diesel

[kirk]

It is actually a wax, not an oil.
Very resistant to oxidation and thus a substitute for sperm oil as a
mechanical clock lubricant.
Kirk

-Original Message-
From: Dale Schutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:23 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace diesel


Hi Steve.   Jojoba oil is indeed a high quality oil.  I planted some
back in the 70s when I lived in Yuma Arizona. It makes a very good
industrial lubricating oil as well as it's use for cosmetics. It
probably would make a good engine motor oil also. A few problems are
that the young plants are very sensitive to even a mild frost .  It
takes several years to get a reallly good harvest of the nuts from the
bushes I still say the real answer for producing oil is to grow algae
in enclosed, mechanized greenhouses using tubular reactor vessels to
optimize the utilization of sunlight.

Jojoba grows wild in the desert washes around Yuma AZ and it is a
favorite food of the mule deer in the summer when the nuts mature.
Most of the jojoba oil, that I know of comes from Mexico. The jojoba
nut is quite tasty. The oil doesn,t seem to get rancid either.  Dale

 On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:38:13 -0500, you wrote:

>
>
>
>
>Big deal, we've been doing this for years .
>
>http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm";>http://webcon
x.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
>
>see http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html";>http://journeytofore
ver.org/biodiesel_yield.html for a partial list of
>plants that can do the same.
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut/ind
ex.htm">http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut/i
ndex.htm
>l
>Desert shrub may offer diesel fuel alternative
>Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Posted: 1:18 PM EST (1818 GMT)
>
>
>LONDON (Reuters) -- Egyptian scientists believe an oil commonly used in
>cosmetic products could be a viable alternative to diesel fuel to power
cars
>and trucks.
>
>Researchers at Helwan University in Cairo and the United Arab Emirates
>University in Al-Ain have tested jojoba oil in engines and say that not
only
>does it work as well as diesel, but the engines spew out fewer
pollutants.
>
>"Engineers think the oil has potential as a motor fuel because it
releases a
>lot of energy when it burns and is chemically stable at the high
>temperatures and pressures in a working engine," New Scientist
magazine said
>on Wednesday.
>
>Until now the oil derived from the nut of the jojoba, a desert shrub,
has
>been used in facial and hair products and as a base for make-up.
>
>Mohamed Selim, who headed the research team, thinks it has potential as
an
>alternative fuel because it contains less carbon than diesel, so there
are
>lower emissions of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and soot.
>
>But he added that producing sufficient amounts of jojoba oil to use as
an
>alternative fuel could be a problem.
>
>"The use of jojoba as a fuel needs huge quantities of seeds, which
needs
>large investment, probably by the government or private sector," he
said.
>
>New Scientist said farmers in Egypt are already planting jojoba shrubs
with
>the idea of providing the oil for fuel.
>
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RE: [biofuel] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace diesel

[Martin]

Interesting concept Dale [about the algae]
How much oil can you get from algae though?

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> -Original Message-
> From: Dale Schutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:23 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace
diesel
> 
> Hi Steve.   Jojoba oil is indeed a high quality oil.  I planted some
> back in the 70s when I lived in Yuma Arizona. It makes a very good
> industrial lubricating oil as well as it's use for cosmetics. It
> probably would make a good engine motor oil also. A few problems are
> that the young plants are very sensitive to even a mild frost .  It
> takes several years to get a reallly good harvest of the nuts from the
> bushes I still say the real answer for producing oil is to grow algae
> in enclosed, mechanized greenhouses using tubular reactor vessels to
> optimize the utilization of sunlight.
> 
> Jojoba grows wild in the desert washes around Yuma AZ and it is a
> favorite food of the mule deer in the summer when the nuts mature.
> Most of the jojoba oil, that I know of comes from Mexico. The jojoba
> nut is quite tasty. The oil doesn,t seem to get rancid either.  Dale
> 
>  On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:38:13 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Big deal, we've been doing this for years .
> >
> >http://webconx.green-
> trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm">http://webconx.green-
> trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm
> >
> >see 
href="http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html";>http://journeyto
fo
> rever.org/biodiesel_yield.html for a partial list of
> >plants that can do the same.
> >
> >
href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut
/i
>
ndex.htm">http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.
re
> ut/index.htm
> >l
> >Desert shrub may offer diesel fuel alternative
> >Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Posted: 1:18 PM EST (1818 GMT)
> >
> >
> >LONDON (Reuters) -- Egyptian scientists believe an oil commonly used
> in
> >cosmetic products could be a viable alternative to diesel fuel to
power
> cars
> >and trucks.
> >
> >Researchers at Helwan University in Cairo and the United Arab
> Emirates
> >University in Al-Ain have tested jojoba oil in engines and say that
not
> only
> >does it work as well as diesel, but the engines spew out fewer
> pollutants.
> >
> >"Engineers think the oil has potential as a motor fuel because
it
> releases a
> >lot of energy when it burns and is chemically stable at the high
> >temperatures and pressures in a working engine," New Scientist
> magazine said
> >on Wednesday.
> >
> >Until now the oil derived from the nut of the jojoba, a desert shrub,
> has
> >been used in facial and hair products and as a base for make-up.
> >
> >Mohamed Selim, who headed the research team, thinks it has potential
as
> an
> >alternative fuel because it contains less carbon than diesel, so
there
> are
> >lower emissions of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and soot.
> >
> >But he added that producing sufficient amounts of jojoba oil to use
as
> an
> >alternative fuel could be a problem.
> >
> >"The use of jojoba as a fuel needs huge quantities of seeds,
which
> needs
> >large investment, probably by the government or private sector,"
he
> said.
> >
> >New Scientist said farmers in Egypt are already planting jojoba
shrubs
> with
> >the idea of providing the oil for fuel.
> >
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[biofuel] availability

[jonpierce]

I just joined this group and have a lot questions: 
Do any of you know if a refit or configuration is needed to be able 
to run bio fuel in a VW TDI diesel engine, like in the Golf or the 
Jetta? 

Does anyone know of a source to buy bio diesel fuel in the area of 
Sacramento, California? I've heard that there are companies selling 
it in the Denver area. What about Northern California? 

Does using Biodiesel improve on the particulate output of the diesel 
engine, in comparison to usual diesel fuel? 



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Re: [biofuel] US-UK-Iraq disturbing war facts, was: Rumsfeldwarns on Iraq arms

[MH]

> You couldn't possibly be saying that United States foreign policy is a
> high-handed double standard, could you?
> 
> Well.you'd be right (or if your "left," you'd be right on target too).


 Todd, you tickle my funny bone but like I said, I don't
 really won't to hear this but some of the Vets mentioned the
 author William Blum who wrote http://www.killinghope.com 
 and when I asked they said he was credible.  

 This article also looked interesting -- 


 The Disinformation Age:
 How George W. Bush and Saint Colin of Powell are lying America into an
 unnecessary war ÷ and what honest journalists can do about it
 By Dennis Hans
 Tuesday, 4 March 2003
 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0303/S00011.htm 

 A few excerpts -- 

 There is a lying leader, a bit closer to home, to whom our news media should 
apply Rummyâs good advice.
 Not only does the leader lie, but so too do his top aides. And the news media, 
with rare exceptions,
 routinely pass along their lies as fact. The result is that the people of 
America are out of touch with
 the people of the world. Thus weâre far more willing than any other populace 
to launch an unprovoked
 attack on Iraq. Whereas the German and French people ÷ and the populations 
ruled by governments siding
 with Uncle Sam ÷ are reasonably well-informed and overwhelmingly opposed, 
Americans are reasonably
 well-disinformed. 

 More and more Americans are beginning to see just how crooked our 
straight-shooting president is.
 To further this awareness, and to caution citizens inclined to follow him into 
war, I review below
 23 ãtechniques of deceitä of Bush and his foreign-policy team. Some of these 
techniques I address
 at greater length in ãLying Us Into Warä 
(http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0302/S00061.htm). 

 Powell And Bushâs ãTechniques Of Deceitä.. 

 5) Withholding the key fact that destroys the moral underpinning of an 
argument. 
 Powell condemned Saddamâs ãuse of mustard and nerve gas against the Kurds 
in 1988ä that killed
 ãFive thousand men, women and children.ä True, but he did so with the blessing 
at the time of many
 Reaganites who now serve Bush ÷ including Powell. In 1988, ãSecretary of State 
Colin Powell was then
 the national security adviser who orchestrated Ronald Reaganâs decision to 
give Hussein a pass for
 gassing the Kurds,ä says former U.S. Ambassador to Croatia, Peter Galbraith in 
the Boston Globe
 ( http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2002/1215/coverstory_entire.htm).

 7) Exploiting the fact that the U.N., unlike the U.S. military you served for 
most of your life,
doesnât have a Code forbidding lying:
 Activist Jimmy Walter (walden3.org), who has taken out full-page ãPowell 
Lied?ä ads in the
 New York Times and other publications, reminds Powell what could have befallen 
him if he had been an
 active-duty general when he addressed the U.N. Walter cites Section 907, 
Article 107 of the Uniform Code
 of Military Justice, which addresses ãFalse Statementsä: 
 ãAny person subject to this chapter who, with intent to deceive, signs any 
false record, return,
 regulation, order, or other official document, knowing it to be false, or 
makes any other false official
 statement knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may 
direct.ä
 Itâs a good thing Powell is retired. But what about his boss, 
Commander-in-Chief Bush? Is the man who
 gives orders to the generals free to lie? Is he as immune from military 
justice as he appears to be from
 media justice? We now turn to Bushâs techniques, noting that Powell used some 
of these as well in his
 U.S. presentation. 

 11) Passive lying (doing nothing to prevent what you know to be a vile slander 
from lodging in the brains
  of unsuspecting citizens as truth):
 a) Chris Matthews, host of MSNBCâs Hardball, made the following important 
point a few weeks back
 (click here for transcript: http://www.msnbc.com/news/859673.asp), addressing 
retired general William
 Perry Smith:
 ãAccording to the [January 2003] Knight Ridder poll . . ., the people that 
know the most about the
 situation in Iraq are least supportive of the war. The ones who are most 
ignorant, particularly those who
 believe that half the people who attacked us September 11 included Iraqi 
citizens, are for the war.
 So isnât Îmore educationâ something that stops support for the war, General? I 
mean, the president is not
 winning on the facts. Heâs winning, according to the polls, on those who donât 
know the facts·. Well, donât
 you think the president ought to make the case, General, that the American 
people, tell the American people,
 ÎYouâre wrong, half of you out there who think that there were Iraqis who 
attacked us September 11.
 They werenât Iraqis. Iâve got some other reason why I want to attack Iraq.â 
Heâs never said that.
 Should he? Or should he allow himself to benefit from peopleâs ignorance?ä
 Straight-shooting Bush prefers to benefit from th

Re: [biofuel] US-UK-Iraq disturbing war facts, was: Rumsfeldwarns on Iraq arms

[MH]

> You couldn't possibly be saying that United States foreign policy is a
> high-handed double standard, could you?
> 
> Well.you'd be right (or if your "left," you'd be right on target too).


 Just a follow-up -- 
 
 The Thirty Year Itch 
 Three decades ago, in the throes of the energy crisis, Washington's hawks
 conceived of a strategy for US control of the Persian Gulf's oil. Now, with 
the same
 strategists firmly in control of the White House, the Bush administration is 
playing
 out their script for global dominance. 
 By Robert Dreyfuss 
 March/April 2003 Issue 
 http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/10/ma_273_01.html

 P L U S : 
 Oil and Arms: An In-Depth Look
 http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2003/10/ma_273_map.html

 If you were to spin the globe and look for real estate critical to building an
 American empire, your first stop would have to be the Persian Gulf. The desert
 sands of this region hold two of every three barrels of oil in the world -- 
Iraq's
 reserves alone are equal, by some estimates, to those of Russia, the United
 States, China, and Mexico combined. For the past 30 years, the Gulf has been
 in the crosshairs of an influential group of Washington foreign-policy
 strategists, who believe that in order to ensure its global dominance, the 
United
 States must seize control of the region and its oil. Born during the energy 
crisis
 of the 1970s and refined since then by a generation of policymakers, this
 approach is finding its boldest expression yet in the Bush administration --
 which, with its plan to invade Iraq and install a regime beholden to 
Washington,
 has moved closer than any of its predecessors to transforming the Gulf into an
 American protectorate. 

 In the geopolitical vision driving current U.S. policy toward Iraq, the key to
 national security is global hegemony -- dominance over any and all potential
 rivals. To that end, the United States must not only be able to project its
 military forces anywhere, at any time. It must also control key resources, 
chief
 among them oil -- and especially Gulf oil. To the hawks who now set the tone at
 the White House and the Pentagon, the region is crucial not simply for its 
share
 of the U.S. oil supply (other sources have become more important over the 
years),
 but because it would allow the United States to maintain a lock on the world's
 energy lifeline and potentially deny access to its global competitors. The
 administration "believes you have to control resources in order to have access
 to them," says Chas Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia 
under
 the first President Bush. "They are taken with the idea that the end of the 
Cold War
 left the United States able to impose its will globally -- and that those who 
have
 the ability to shape events with power have the duty to do so. It's ideology." 

 Iraq, in this view, is a strategic prize of unparalleled importance. Unlike 
the oil
 beneath Alaska's frozen tundra, locked away in the steppes of central Asia, or
 buried under stormy seas, Iraq's crude is readily accessible and, at less than
 $1.50 a barrel, some of the cheapest in the world to produce. Already, over the
 past several months, Western companies have been meeting with Iraqi exiles to
 try to stake a claim to that bonanza. 

 But while the companies hope to cash in on an American-controlled Iraq, the
 push to remove Saddam Hussein hasn't been driven by oil executives, many of
 whom are worried about the consequences of war. Nor are Vice President
 Cheney and President Bush, both former oilmen, looking at the Gulf simply for
 the profits that can be earned there. The administration is thinking bigger, 
much
 bigger, than that. 

 "Controlling Iraq is about oil as power, rather than oil as fuel," says Michael
 Klare, professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and
 author of Resource Wars. "Control over the Persian Gulf translates into control
 over Europe, Japan, and China. It's having our hand on the spigot." 

 Ever since the oil shocks of the 1970s, the United States has steadily been
 accumulating military muscle in the Gulf by building bases, selling weaponry,
 and forging military partnerships. Now, it is poised to consolidate its might 
in a
 place that will be a fulcrum of the world's balance of power for decades to
 come. At a stroke, by taking control of Iraq, the Bush administration can
 solidify a long-running strategic design. "It's the 
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Re: [biofuel] Fw: [Audi-VW-Diesels] FW: Thiellert diesel aircraft engines

[Mark Foltarz]

Neat stuff!

  I saw aircraft at Oshkosh that used the venerable 1.6L VW diesel.

  I believe Packard tried  - albeit unsuccessfully -  to market a diesel   
radial motor (?!) back in the 1930's

  Mark


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> >
> > We hope to provide you helpful information and we are pleased
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> >
> > At present, we are producing our CENTURION 1.7 jet fuel aircraft
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> >
> > --
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RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel supplies

[Wendell Wait]

Just a quick note from Aus, as to how hard it is becoming trying to find
caustic. Both supermarkets and hardware used to sell it, but has now been
removed from the shelves due to its links to other chemical precursors. Iâve
also tried larger supply groups for industry and catering and they no longer
carry the material. I now am required to purchase it as 100kg lots from a
chem. distributor. However I also make soap so this isnât a prob. Sulfuric
(98+) can only be purchased through an existing account.

W.


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To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel supplies

At $20 a liter you're paying for bureaucracy (and lab grade).

You can get NaOH at most hardware stores and groceries - Red Devil Lye. You
can get KOH in 1-100 pound lots from soap companies on the internet (Rainbow
Meadow, etc), or commercial chemical warehouses.

Sulfuric is available through almost any commercial chemical distributor. An
example is Aqua Chem (in Columbus, Ohio), where 95-98% sulfuric and 85%
phosphoric can be had for ~$19.00 a gallon.

You just have to get inventive. Speak with your city's water treatment
manager. They might be able to point you to a supplier that sells gallon
lots. But don't rely on your lab department or lab suppliers, at least not
if you don't want to pay through the nose.

Todd Swearingen

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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: Biodiesel supplies


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>  I am beginning a club here at Appalachian State University to make and
distribute Biodiesel to the students and staff.  I am interested in using
Aleks Kac's foolproof method from JtF.  However, I've been looking around
for a source of Sulphuric acid and the biology dept has quoted me around $20
a litre!  Does anyone have any reccomendations for sources of NaOH and
Sulphuric acid? I've checked on the archives and found this question, but no
answers...
> How much of this acid would one need for a 50 gal batch?
> Thanks, please email me personally as I am not a list subscriber
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[biofuels-biz] CNN report says vegetable oil may replace diesel

[Steve Spence]

Big deal, we've been doing this for years .

http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm

see http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html for a partial list of
plants that can do the same.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/03/05/diesel.alternative.reut/index.htm
l
Desert shrub may offer diesel fuel alternative
Wednesday, March 5, 2003 Posted: 1:18 PM EST (1818 GMT)


LONDON (Reuters) -- Egyptian scientists believe an oil commonly used in
cosmetic products could be a viable alternative to diesel fuel to power cars
and trucks.

Researchers at Helwan University in Cairo and the United Arab Emirates
University in Al-Ain have tested jojoba oil in engines and say that not only
does it work as well as diesel, but the engines spew out fewer pollutants.

"Engineers think the oil has potential as a motor fuel because it releases a
lot of energy when it burns and is chemically stable at the high
temperatures and pressures in a working engine," New Scientist magazine said
on Wednesday.

Until now the oil derived from the nut of the jojoba, a desert shrub, has
been used in facial and hair products and as a base for make-up.

Mohamed Selim, who headed the research team, thinks it has potential as an
alternative fuel because it contains less carbon than diesel, so there are
lower emissions of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and soot.

But he added that producing sufficient amounts of jojoba oil to use as an
alternative fuel could be a problem.

"The use of jojoba as a fuel needs huge quantities of seeds, which needs
large investment, probably by the government or private sector," he said.

New Scientist said farmers in Egypt are already planting jojoba shrubs with
the idea of providing the oil for fuel.

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[biofuels-biz] Fw: [Audi-VW-Diesels] FW: Thiellert diesel aircraft engines

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biodiesel/veggie oil aircraft anyone?

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: [Audi-VW-Diesels] FW: Thiellert diesel aircraft engines


> Here's the latest from the diesel aircraft engine front.
> -James
>
>
>
>
> ==
>  T A E - I N F O M A I L  N o.  0 2 / 2 0 0 3
>  from 03 March 2003
>  Best legibility Courier New font face
> ==
>
> Dear Sir or Madam,
>
> having announced further information in our last infomail we would
> like to provide them now:
>
> 1. Series kick-off retrofit kits for Cessna 172 / First customer
>aircraft shipped in march
>
> 2. Status of Piper PA 28 STC
>
> We hope to provide you helpful information and we are pleased
> about your interest.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> Thielert Aircraft Engines GmbH
>
> --
>
> 1. SERIES KICK-OFF RETROFIT KITS FOR CESSNA 172 / FIRST CUSTOMER
>AIRCRAFT SHIPPED IN MARCH
>
> At present, we are producing our CENTURION 1.7 jet fuel aircraft
> engines and the installation parts for the Cessna 172. The delivery
> times for the Cessna 172 retrofit installation parts have been
> postponed. The reason for this being quality and supply bottlenecks on
> the part of our suppliers. We are currently providing our suppliers
> with significant levels of support in the transition to series
> production, which in turn has produced the knock-on effect that our
> internal resources cannot be used for the development of further
> retrofit kits. Due to the limited capacities, we shall not be
> extending our range of certified retrofit kits until after the
> completion of this Cessna 172 series kick-off. The first customer
> aircraft successfully completed their ground roll tests and are due to
> be shipped to their owners before the end of March.
>
> * Retrofit-Kits for 172N, F172N, 172P, F172P
>
> --
>
> 2. STATUS OF PIPER PA 28 STC
>
> The issuing of the supplemental type certification (STC) for the Piper
> PA 28 has been postponed. We anticipate that the STC will be issued by
> mid-April at AERO 2003 in Friedrichshafen, Germany. Regular deliveries
> of the retrofit kit for the Piper PA 28 will be available in August
> from our sales partners. By this point in time, we will have also
> defined the retrofit kit for the PA 28-161 Cadet, meaning that two
> types will be available from August.
>
>
>
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[biofuels-biz] BSE & UK Waste Oil

[Darren]

A patch together of some recent mails from a UK waste oil processor to
myself.
I found the insight into the waste oil industry interesting

--

I read your site with interest.  However there has never been a proven
link between vegetable oil and BSE, as vegetable oil cannot contain BSE.

If the food in it contained BSE, that could be a different matter, but
still only in theory with no proof.  Animal fat is not permitted in
animal feed and the

PAI audit our industry and all reputable collectors and processors
follow the HACCAP scheme when supplying into the animal feed chain.

The European response is not due to BSE but due to the Belgium Dioxin
Scare and the French Sewage Scandal which came to light in 1999.

The Belgiumâs had a system of collecting oil, much like bottle banks.
People just took their waste cooking oil to a local recycling bank.
However,

People also put in mineral oil in the same collecting banks, leading to
a major problem with Belgium chickens and eggs.

The French have no environmental laws regarding putting oil down the
drains.  The any oil which is not causing blocked drains, ends up
floating on the sewage work

Tanks.  This is then skimmed off, boiled up and feed to chickens.  This
is likely to have caused a number of E-coli outbreaks and deaths, far
more than BSE

Or though the French have never fully investigated the links between
sewage feed chickens and e-coli outbreaks.

-

With regards to food cooked in oil, the largest food group to be deep
fat fried is chips!, deep fried onions, mushrooms and fish make up a
considerable percentage.  Very little meat is deep fried.  Shallow fried
meat such as burgers and sausages, means that restaurants can tip frying
pan oil into a separate can and label it animal fat, cans labelled
animal fat go into our technical batches.  Our site is audited and has a
quarantine area for suspect material, showing a clear chain of how
material in this area is disposed of. The biggest "offender" for waste
animal fat is chicken rotisseries.  Following an audit by the big
supermarket chains in the early 90's groups such as ASDA found that
their chicken fat could no longer go into animal feed...at their
insistence, and prior to any legislation, they paid to have it
incinerated... contractors who claimed it would only be used in pet food
later took this oil, but I have a sneaking suspicion, that it ended up
as a stock base for soups for human consumption far worse than
perhaps feeding it back to animals!  Due to the high water content of
chickens, you may have seen recent articles on TV and in the press about
how they are pumped up with water, mainly a European practice, we tend
to avoid dealing with it.  In fact I recommend to friends, family and
anyone who mentions chicken, to ensure they buy British, and check
chicken products to see if produced in the UK, the practices abroad
involving chicken, would make even myself become a confirmed
vegetarian!! and it makes me laugh that some veggies will eat these
chickens, who live and die in appalling conditions, then which are pump
full of water and unsavoury other "ingredients".  British Farmers on the
whole, there are bad ones, as in all walks of life and industry, produce
meat to a higher standard and with one of highest levels of animal
welfare in the whole world, but are consistently under pressure from the
supermarkets to compete with cheap foreign imports and deal anti public
feeling, yet this same public will buy cheap foreign meat rather than
support one of the best and safest meat producers, whom just happen to
be on their doorstep!!  Most Kebab shops stopped using us when we
introduced charges and we no longer accept kebabs as customers.  As a
point of interest most of our young drivers who join us and may have
previously enjoyed a kebab, tended to stop after collecting material
from the back of kebabs, unfortunately, their ethnic status seems to
make most of the immune from prosecution or even visits from EHOs.
 
The ongoing proposed banning of animal fat and swill, is now scheduled
for November 2004. Whilst previous ban dates have come and gone, it is
likely that this is the final one.
 
Margaret Beckett, Minister for Rural Affairs, was asked by a
representative of the farming community, when this issue was
discussed... what about swill feed pigs from non European countries. Her
reply "swill feed pigs from other countries will have pass certain test
criteria", if swill feed pigs from other countries can pass some sort of
criteria, why is she destroying one of the most effective ways of
recycling waste food in the UK, by not allowing the same criteria in the
UK?  Again UK farmers this time in the pork industry, will have another
unfair playing field on which to compete, so like the foreign chicken, I
suspect UK pork will be the safest in the world to eat, but will the
public pay a fair price for this?
 
When we supply to the animal feed market, we have to pro