Re: [biofuel] Griffin Industries Biodiesel

[craig reece]

Alan,

I checked with some of our local bioD resellers, and there was at least 
one bad batch from Griffin. I'd contact Griffin about it - maybe they'll 
comp you some good fuel for your trouble. Here in N. California, Yokayo 
Biofuels went the extra mile when they sold some funky bioD, and 
actually went to the affected vehicles and drained the fuel, replaced 
with good stuff, and replaced fuel filters.

 Here's what my friend said:


The Griffin fuel had a very high gel point - above 40
degrees Farenheit.  Plus, when once it gels, it seems
to not ungel until raised to an even higher
temperature: 60-70 degrees.







Alan Petrillo wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with biodiesel made by Griffin Industries?
>
> One of my trucks is sick, possibly fuel related, and both of them blow
> big white clouds on startup, and have experienced hard starting since I
> got my last batch of B100.
>
> I've put in a call to Aaron at Ward Oil about it, but I haven't heard
> back from him yet.
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Re: [biofuel] Griffin Industries Biodiesel

[craig reece]

As well as air in the system, which can be exacerbated by excess vacuum 
caused by overly-thick biodiesel, and also caused by water in the system 
- as found via a blown head gasket, as you point out, or by water in a 
bad batch of biodiesel.

I'd just drain it all out, see what it looks like, refill with known 
good fuel, change all the filters, and see what happens.

Craig

Dave Williams wrote:

> Alan Petrillo wrote:
>
> > One of my trucks is sick, possibly fuel related, and both of them blow
> > big white clouds on startup, and have experienced hard starting since I
> > got my last batch of B100.
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>   Those are typical symptoms of a blown head gasket.
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Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?

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John,

We (Neoteric Biofuels, http://biofuels.ca) also do singletank (as well 
as two-tank.) Our kit is cheaper than Elsbett's, and offers better 
filtration and easier install, with a self-regulating electric fuel 
heater that doesn't require the electronic complexity of the Elsbett 
system.

The guy in Berkeley who runs olive oil in his '98 Mercedes is not 
currently heating his olive oil - something that we don't recommend.

Craig Reece


On Apr 16, 2004, at 8:34 AM, John Blackmer wrote:

> does anyone know anything about www.elsbett.com ?
>
>  it claims that a one-tank SVO is posssible with a few small 
> modifications to
>  the engine:Ê glow plugs, 1 micron filter, etc.Ê certainly this could 
> only
>  work with an oil that doesn't solidify in the tank, i assume, but 
> there's a
>  fellow in berkeley that claims to have done this for 8 months with 
> straight
>  olive oil.Ê I thought that this was simply mechanically impossible?
>
>  any caveats/opinions?
>
>  thanks,
>  John
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Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?

[craig reece]

Hi Keith,

You wrote:
>
>  Actually I'm not sure they're comparable, your kit and Elbett's. The
>  main cost component of your single-tank kit seems to be the Vormax
>  filter, is that right? Perhaps the Vormax is in itself a "better"
>  filter, but I don't think that means that Elsbett's filtering is less
>  effective.

With Elsbett's filter, you still need to bag filter - while with the 
Vormax installed,  you can pump restuarant oil (WVO) through a 70 
micron filter (included in the filtering wand we sell) right into your 
tank. If you tried this with the Elsbett filter, you'll plug up the 
(small) filter quickly, since it lacks the pre-filter feature of the 
Vormax.

The Vormax was developed for dinodiesel-fueled big rigs - and we 
adapted it for WVO purposes - to extend the normal change interval of 
the (very large) secondary spin-on cartridge. The first stage of the 
Vormax is a prefilter that forces most crud (food scraps, in our 
application) and water to drop to the bottom of a large clear Lexan 
bowl, with a drainvalve that can opened to drain out any visible food 
bits.

Being able to fill directly from 5 gallon jugs of oil from your donor 
restaurant makes driving on WVO much easier - and means more people 
will convert their cars as a result - and I speak as someone who spent 
many hours bag filtering, before I got my first Vormax. It's messy, 
time-consuming, takes up space, and the polyester felt filterbags don't 
compost.

Elsbett gives you a small 2nd filter with a heating band around it, and 
leaves the stock filter in place, with a gate valve you can throw if 
their filter becomes clogged. In our Mercedes singletank installs, and 
some VW installs, we leave the stock filter in place also, and it 
becomes the final filter, after the Vormax's initial two-stage 
filtration. So you have the Vormax pre-filter, then the 10 micron 
Vormax replacable cartridge (or 2 micron, depending on which Fleetguard 
or Racor cartridge you opt for) then the stock filter. And the Vormax 
gets plumbed with coolant to prevent fuel gelling and waxing, and it 
has a vacuum gauge let you know when the cartridge is starting to get 
restricted, and the Vormax can be fitted with an optional 120V heater 
for cold winter areas. And the cartridges are about 4-6 times the size 
of the Elsbett filter, and can be found on the web for $10 each, and 
are available at most big truck dealers and a truck stops on the 
highway. So, yes, I think our filtration is much better in every way.

Remember, in Germany, home of the Elsbett, fuels are taxed as they 
should be everywhere (and aren't in the US)  with the result that new 
Canola at *the supermarket* is about 1/3 the price of diesel at the 
pump! So running new SVO is the norm in Germany and other European 
countries that acknowledge that global warming is real (unlike our 
current US administration with oil men in the #1 and #2 position) and 
have thus discouraged driving via high fuel taxation. With (affordable) 
new Canola, you'll do fine with minimal onboard filtration - not so 
with restuarant fryer oil.

As far as the injector mod issue. I've driven my '87 Mercedes 300TD 
wagon almost 6000 miles on our singletank system - without modified 
injectors. It still starts immediately, never smokes, and still goes 
like a bat out of hell. The Bosch shops and local diesel injection 
shops have all told me that injector coking doesn't happen all at once 
-it's a gradual process, and will typically manifest as hard starting, 
smoking, or lack of power. The experience with my Benz, and with my '91 
Jetta, running singletank without modified injectors, and with other 
singletank conversions with stock injectors, leads me to believe that 
the modified injectos aren't necessary. We have sold several singletank 
kits with the modified injectors, and I always tell prospective 
customers that the injectors aren't a bad idea, but that my experience 
- albeit with only a few thousand miles - is that they'd probably be ok 
without them, and that at the first sign of hard starting, smoking, or 
lack of power, they should pull an injector for examination, and if 
coking is found, we'd exchange them for the modified injectors.

We offer the modded injectors on an exchange basis, and you're saying 
Elsbett now does this too - when I was installing their kits, they sent 
you injector bits, that you then had to take to a local Bosch shop, 
along with your injectors, to have the bits swapped out. I'm glad to 
hear they've eliminated that step.

As far as your friend's experience with the ease of installation of his 
Elsbett kit - he's the exception, rather than the rule. But maybe 
they've improved the instructions since I've installed one more than a 
year ago. But the Elsbett system's electric fuel heating is turned off 
when the coolant reaches operating temps, and this requires a 
thermoswitch that's installed in the head, and a relay to turn off the 
heated filter, whereas our Vegtherm inl

Re: [biofuel] one-tank SVO?

[craig reece]

ddison wrote:
>  >
>  > >
>  > >Ê www.localaction.biz has been "inaccessible" both times I tried, 
> but
>  > >Ê the blog link works.
>  > >
>  > >Ê Actually I'm not sure they're comparable, your kit and Elbett's. 
> The
>  > >Ê main cost component of your single-tank kit seems to be the 
> Vormax
>  > >Ê filter, is that right? Perhaps the Vormax is in itself a "better"
>  > >Ê filter, but I don't think that means that Elsbett's filtering is 
> less
>  > >Ê effective. Have a look at what Rachel's report on the blog says 
> about
>  > >Ê that. Elsbett has a very long and illustrious history of diesel
>  > >Ê engineering and does not skimp on filtering.
>  > >
>  > >Ê Elsbett's kit is not generic, it seems to be specified for each
>  > >Ê different motor, and components and cost vary accordingly. 
> According
>  > >Ê to your website, with your kit (still only for VW and Mercedes?)
>  > >Ê modified injectors are an optional extra. "If you wish to 
> optimize
>  > >Ê more fully for vegetable oil use, you would order modified 
> injectors.
>  > >Ê Basically, modified injectors are $90 each plus refundable core
>  > >Ê charge of $70 (refunded when we receive your old injectors, so 
> that
>  > >Ê your engine does not have to sit around out of service and
>  > >Ê injectorless while you wait for the new ones!! Our injectors are
>  > >Ê ready to use, not a kit to be added, so you do not need to take 
> them
>  > >Ê to an injector shop for fitting and modification, as is the case 
> with
>  > >Ê competing products."
>  > >
>  > >Ê "Competing products" would be Elsbett? - it's the only other
>  > >Ê single-tank system. Elsbett doesn't always change the injectors, 
> it
>  > >Ê depends on the motor. Where they do change them, the new 
> injectors
>  > >Ê arrive with the kit, you fit them and send the old ones back at 
> your
>  > >Ê leisure for a refund, there's no waiting for new ones while your
>  > >Ê engine sits around injectorless.
>  > >
>  > >Ê You've quite often talked of the extra complexity and 
> installation
>  > >Ê difficulties of the Elsbett kit, here and elsewhere. I don't 
> think I
>  > >Ê agree with that either. Our friend and 
> biodiesel/anti-diesel-bashing
>  > >Ê collaborator Takehiko Wada bought an Elsbett system for his '94 
> Golf
>  > >Ê 3 a few months ago. Wada-san brought the kit to show us when it
>  > >Ê arrived, different sets of components in separate plastic bags, 
> all
>  > >Ê neatly labelled and specified. He didn't have problems 
> installing it.
>  > >Ê He exchanged a few emails with Alexander Noack at Elsbett (cc'd 
> to
>  > >Ê me) and, despite large potential language pitfalls, all went 
> smoothly
>  > >Ê and he's a very happy customer.
>  > >
>  > >Ê "Thanks for continuous support for SVO system with your team. I 
> think
>  > >Ê your system is considering very well for using SVO Fuel on small 
> car
>  > >Ê with cheap price."
>  > >
>  > >Ê With the injector refund, it cost him Euro 800. Another Elsbett
>  > >Ê system sold here for a '91 Toyota cost Euro 750. (Currently 1 
> Euro =
>  > >Ê 1.1987 US$.) Of course it has a one-year warranty, the only SVO
>  > >Ê system that does, AFAIK.
>  > >
>  > >Ê So again, for your price comparison, considering what you're 
> getting,
>  > >Ê there's not much in it. I don't agree with the whole basis of the
>  > >Ê comparison. By all mean promote your system, but I don't think 
> your
>  > >Ê citing its purported advantages over the Elsbett system has much 
> or
>  > >Ê any substance. It reminds me a bit of the SVO vs biodiesel
>  > >Ê non-argument. Why not just promote it on its own merits?
>  > >
>  > >Ê Best
>  > >
>  > >Ê Keith
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] Trunk mounted tank

[craig reece]

Paul,

You wrote:

> Hi
>  Is this what you're looking for?
> http://www.greasecar.com/kits.cfm
>  Regards
>  Paul Marks

The Greascar tank pictured fits where the spare tire used to sit - 
compelling you to put the spare on top of the tank, and thus sucking up 
trunk space.

Our new tank - which Ed mentioned yesterday - will fit *inside* the 
spare tire, thus leaving the loadspace of the trunk intact.

Of course, our tank is therefore smaller, but since we heat the WVO 
with both coolant (but not in the tank, rather in the heat exchanger 
portion of the Vormax fuel processor/filter and electrically, and since 
12V heat is almost instantaneous, the biodiesel or diesel start-stop 
tank can be very small, since you're only running on it for about a 
minute at startup and shutdown.

Our tank will also have leak-tight quick-disconnect fittings, so you 
can easily pop it out of the trunk for filling - nice for avoiding 
spills into your trunk, which are a real drag, especially if you have 
to run diesel as your start-stop fuel.

Craig



>  Ê - Original Message -
>  Ê From: Busyditch
>  Ê To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>  Ê Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:35 PM
>  Ê Subject: [biofuel] Trunk mounted tank
>
>
>  Ê I am poring over the specs on a singleor dual tank system to run 
> WVO. Anyone
>  Ê know of a manufacturer who makes a tank to fit in the spare tire 
> well? I
>  Ê have a 2000 Golf and thought this would be a good idea, as it would 
> not take
>  Ê up the cargo/trunk areas in eithe Golfs or sedans like Jettas, etc. 
> Seems to
>  Ê me it would hold at least 10 gal, or so.
>  Ê -busyditch
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

[craig reece]

Yes, but electricity rates will only go up - I'm in Calfornia, and we 
know a bit about the subject.

Craig
On Apr 24, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Michael wrote:

> Last time I checked, when bpsolar.com let you figure how long to pay 
> back
>  your purchase price for a solar home, it was about 35 years.Ê Not 
> very cost
>  effective, yet!
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Re: [biofuel] Re: article on Biofuel Oasis in Oakland Tribune

[craig reece]

Jonothan,

The biodiesel being sold at the Biofuels Oasis is commercial biodiesel 
supplied by Yokayo Biofuels (http://ybiofuels.org) which meets the 
relevant ASTM specs, made from WVO feedstock whenever possible which is 
most of time, and it's being sold legitimately (the proprieters 
wouldn't  be so stupid to grant an interview to the local paper if they 
were selling it  under the table, or not paying road tax.)

Craig Reece
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You wrote:

>>> Are these people selling biodiesel legitimately, meaning, collecting
>>> the proper taxes?  Or is it under the table?  Is their fuel being
>>> tested to ASTM standards?  My point is that if anybody can produce
>>> good quality biodiesel, what's stopping every other person from
>>> making it and selling it?  It's one thing to make it for your own
>>> personal use, but I thought the big oil companies and EPA wouldn't
>>> allow the sale of biodiesel from WVO unless it has been tested to
>>> ASTM standards, which can be very expensive. Tom Leue from Yellow
>>> Biodiesel had some issues with the EPA, which I'll let him comment on
>>> if he wants to because it's not my place to talk about someone else's
>>> operation. Tom, I hope you read this and can comment.  Jonathan.
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Re: [biofuel] Best VW diesel engines for running WVO

[craig reece]

The 1.6 NA (non-turbo) and the (rare in the US) 1.6 turbo and the even 
more rare 1.9 are all great on WVO. The Tdi's require good fuel 
heating, and two-tank is safer with them, while the 1.6 and 1.9 non 
Tdi's can more safely get away with singlertank - if the winter temps 
never fall much below freezing.

And I wouldn't run soy, walnut or corn in a Tdi without using sythetic 
engine oil - or vegetable based engine oil, and I'd change either at 
3000 miles unless you did a lot of highway driving - unless you paid 
for oil analysis for the first 10K miles or so - to make sure you 
weren't getting polymerizartion of the engine oil

Craig

On May 1, 2004, at 12:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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>  Hi list members,
>
>  Ê Does anyone here know which VW diesel engines work best, or are the 
> least
>  troublesome with WVO?
>
>  Can someone guide me to a list of VW's that would show me the best 
> years to
>  look for and why?
>
>  I found a list of "Diesels in the US" on the JTF website that listed 
> non-Tdi
>  turbo VWs, but it didn't list which years to look for.
>
>  I'm interested in knowing more about which VW injector pumps are best 
> suited
>  for WVO, and what years and models they where installed on.
>
>  I've found two VW listed for sale locally, one is a1987 Golf, and the 
> other
>  is a 1989 Jetta. What are the pros and cons of these two cars? Any
>  recommendations would be appreciated.
>
>  Thank You,
>
>  John in Ohio
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Re: [biofuel]

[craig reece]

Yes they are. I've converted a 6.2, and have two friends with 
conversions on the Chevy/GM diesel - another 6.2 and a 6.5.

You'll want to go two-tank, and heat and filter the oil well, since the 
Stanadyne pumps can't handle overly viscous fuel and/or dirty fuel.

Craig
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On May 2, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Greg Karais wrote:

> Question, is anyone driving GMC trucks with WVO.Ê I have a Sierra K2500
>  6.5 L Diesel and am wondering if anyone else is out there driving the
>  same.
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[biofuel] RE: [biofuels] Re: US poll about Iraq war

[craig reece]

Hakan,

You wrote:

What's interesting in Ryan's post is the assumption that colonizing 
what is now the United States is seen as being the only way anyone 
(other than the former inhabitants, that is) could've possibly 
"directly benefitted." That is, there is apparently no way to share the 
resources of a place with the "former owners" in a way that benefits 
both them and the colonizing power. While I'd agree that we have no 
good model or historical precedent for such a thing, that shouldn't 
mean we can't recognize the horror that was the colonial experience for 
those who were colonized.

I once heard James Fallows, the former Asian Bureau chief for the 
Washington Post, interviewed on National Publc Radio, and he was 
ranking the major colonizing nations in order from most brutal (Spain, 
in his opinion) to least (the Dutch) but concluded by saying that of 
all the countries in Asia, the country with the "sweetest people" were 
the Thais, who'd never been colonized.


On May 16, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Hakan Falk wrote:

>
>  At 00:19 17/05/2004, you wrote:
>  >OK, enough already.Ê I won't make the same mistake again and post 
> MHOs on
>  >this list.Ê How any of you can sit there and say you have not 
> directly
>  >benefited from the colonization of the land that now makes up the 
> USA is
>  >beyond me, but OK.Ê Now, shall we get back to biofuels?
>  >
>  >Thank you,
>  >
>  >Ryan
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[biofuel] Re: [Biodiesel] Fwd: Re: Veg oil question

[craig reece]

Thanks for this. Any idea what this means:  Vegetable oil one gets in  
addition, starting from
>  1,703 US$/Gallon

Craig

On May 17, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Pat McCotter wrote:

> After looking at the list of filling stations at
> http://www.rerorust.de (click the British flag and
>  select "List of filing stations") I sent an e-mail to
>  one of the people running the site. Below is a piece
>  of it showing fuel prices in Germany.
>
>  This is the summarized list from Steffen:
>  Regular
>  1,173 Euro/L = 4,441 Euro/Gallon = 5,275 US$/Gallon
>
>  Diesel
>  0,954 Euro/L = 3,612 Euro/Gallon = 4,291 US$/Gallon
>
>  Biodiesel
>  0,75 Euro/L = 2,839 Euro/Gallon = 3,372 US$/Gallon
>
>  Vegetable oil
>  0,65 Euro/L = 2,460 Euro/Gallon = 2,922 US$/Gallon
>
>  Vegetable oil one gets in addition, starting from
>  1,703 US$/Gallon
>
>  And a web site showing the cheapest and most expensive
>  price of the three grades and diesel:
> http://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik3.asp (German)
>
>  And babelfish translation:
> http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent? 
> url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clever-tanken.de%2Fstatistik3.asp&lp=de_en
>
>  OR tinyurl version
> http://tinyurl.com/36677
>
>  --- steffen niegsch wrote:
>  > Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:23:16 +0200
>  > From: steffen niegsch
>  > To: Pat McCotter
>  > Subject: Re: Veg oil question
>  >
>  > Pat McCotter schrieb:
>  > >
>  > > Hello Steffen,
>  > > Thank you for the reply.
>  > >
>  > > What is the average price (DM/L) for the various
>  > fuels
>  > > in Germany?
>  >
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > on the following page one sees a price comparison
>  > between
>  > the deepest prices and the highest prices in
>  > Germany.
>  >
>  > http://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik3.asp
>  >
>  > > Gasoline
>  >
>  > There are up-to-date in Germany different sorts of
>  > gasoline.
>  > "Normal", "Super" and "SuperPlus"
>  >
>  > I take times the average price of the cheapest sort.
>  >
>  > 1,173 Euro/L = 4,441 Euro/Gallon = 5,275 US$/Gallon
>  >
>  > > Diesel
>  >
>  > 0,954 Euro/L = 3,612 Euro/Gallon = 4,291 US$/Gallon
>  >
>  > > Biodiesel
>  >
>  > 0,75 Euro/L = 2,839 Euro/Gallon = 3,372 US$/Gallon
>  >
>  > > Vegetable oil
>  >
>  > 0,65 Euro/L = 2,460 Euro/Gallon = 2,922 US$/Gallon
>  >
>  > Those are the prices of this weekend.
>  > Vegetable oil one gets in addition, starting from
>  > 1,703 USS/Gallon
>  > if one a gas station has and already buys.
>  >
>  > >
>  > > I am showing my car at my son's school this week.
>  > The
>  > > technology (using vegetable oil instead of diesel)
>  > is
>  > > so new here that most people don't believe it.
>  >
>  > That is good. Children must learn it alternatives
>  > give.
>  > Your country is large. There is so much at
>  > agriculture...
>  > Which needs your country now is a drastic increase
>  > of
>  > the taxes on energy. Only if the people are forced
>  > on the prices
>  > will look also the automobile industry to react and
>  > vehicles with
>  > smaller consumption to offer. There since their
>  > world champion.
>  > That means then an upswing in the economy.
>  > And if you notice which one the fuel in the own
>  > country manufacture
>  > can give it also no reason for oil war to lead.
>  > Which is wasted there up-to-date on money... how
>  > many soldiers
>  > to die to have...
>  > Force off grows also with you.
>  > There is Sojaoel, cotton oil and rapeseel oil with
>  > you.
>  >
>  > > But
>  > > since the price of gasoline and diesel are rising
>  > so
>  > > quickly here (US$0.25/gal in two weeks) everybody
>  > is
>  > > looking for alternatives.
>  >
>  > That is nearly nothing at all.
>  > The price increases in the last 4 years came in
>  > the mass by tax increases.
>  > The current price thrust comes from the market for
>  > the moment.
>  > Here the prices rose in the last 5 years around
>  > nearly 100%.
>  > Therefore then vegetable oil became cheaper than
>  > Diesel.
>  >
>  > I drive off now.
>  > This weekend is a small meeting of the vegetable oil
>  > drivers
>  > in the city Monheim. Also there Stephan is.
>  >
>  > Greeting steffen
>  >
>  > --
>  > 

[biofuel] What renderers do with WVO (was dewatering WVO

[craig reece]

There was a case last year in Sonoma County in California where a renderer was
fined for dumping  WVO into storm drains or the city sewer - leading many in
the local biodiesel and WVO/SVO community to believe that they make most of
their $ at the front end from the fees they get paid by the restaurants, and
that the price they get for WVO must be very little.

And I've always heard that a lot goes into landfill. I believe that the Maui
Gold brand of biodiesel sold in Hawaii was started by the landfill manager who
saw all the WVO being dumped, had heard about biodiesel, and started diverting
the WVO from the wastestream and making biodiesel from it.

Craig

Appal Energy wrote:

> In the United States WVO primarily goes towards animal feed as an energy
> quotient, the cosmetics industry, the oleo-chemicals industry in general and
> to third world countries as refined yellow grease for edible purposes.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Tan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [biofuel] dewatering WVO
>
> > Hi Keith:
> >
> > Any idea what the recyclers do with WVO? I talked to a couple of
> restaurants
> > and found out that there are people who  buy their WVO. The restaurants
> > don't have a clue what is done with the WVO.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
> > =>-Original Message-
> > =>From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > =>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:56 PM
> > =>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> > =>Subject: Re: [biofuel] dewatering WVO
> > =>
> > =>
> > =>>Hey Kieth-
> > =>>
> > =>>Which restaurants did you learn not to eat at, and why?
> > =>>
> > =>>Best Regards,
> > =>>
> > =>>John D, in Ohio
> > =>
> > =>
> > =>Hello John
> > =>
> > =>As a general rule we've found the cheaper the restaurant the worse
> > =>the WVO - more abused, cooked longer and probably hotter before being
> > =>renewed, higher FFA levels. Others say the same in other countries.
> > =>I'm sure there are exceptions but I've yet to find one. One real
> > =>cheap eatery in Chiba used quite a lot of oil but didn't have any WVO
> > =>for us - they used it all up! Ulp... I definitely wouldn't eat
> > =>anything that'd been cooked in some of the WVO we've had, lethal I
> > =>reckon. As the prices rise so does the WVO quality. The very good
> > =>stuff that's hardly been used at all comes from the classy joints,
> > =>but it can be hard to get hold of - the waste recyclers seem to like
> > =>it for the same reasons we do.
> > =>
> > =>We don't do restaurants now, one step back in the chain, much better.
> > =>Also one step forward: quite a lot of the organic farmers here are
> > =>using our biodiesel in their tractors. Most of them sell most of
> > =>their produce direct to consumers via "teikeis" ("face-to-face"), the
> > =>Japanese version of CSAs (Community Supported Agriculture), and
> > =>apparently the original inspiration for CSAs. Midori, my partner at
> > =>Journey to Forever, made flyers for them to put in the delivery boxes
> > =>with all the veggies, with a photo of the happy organic farmer
> > =>driving his biod-fuelled tractor and explaining a bit about it. And,
> > =>as hoped, the consumers are now starting to send the WVO from their
> > =>home kitchens back to the farmers in the empty boxes. So the farmers
> > =>are now moving towards making their own fuel from their customers'
> > =>used cooking oil, quite nice. The oil itself is as good as the best
> > =>stuff we get, hardly used at all, not overheated, very low titration,
> > =>no water content. Maybe that's because these are organic produce
> > =>consumers and perhaps more aware of food and health issues, but maybe
> > =>not. We've also been offered oil by a women's group that's into waste
> > =>recycling and collects WVO at household level. They make soap out of
> > =>it but they have too much and don't have a good market for the soap.
> > =>These aren't organic consumers, so we'll see. Probably it's also
> > =>high-quality WVO. So much for cheap restaurants. Pity.
> > =>
> > =>regards
> > =>
> > =>Keith
> > =>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Rendering.

[craig reece]

There was a report in a local paper last year that a renderer in Sonoma
County was fined for dumping *a lot* of rendered oil and grease into the
storm drains, leading many to speculate that the price they get for
rendered WVO must not be very high, and that they must make most of
their $ from the approx. 80 cents a gallon they charge restaurants for
pickup, and that most of it probably goes into landfill. Which is what
I've heard happens to most WVO.

Craig

doug foskey wrote:

>  On Monday 18 August 2003 04:31 am, murdoch wrote:
> > Awhile back I asked a question as to what happens now to waste
> grease
> > and oil, and I was given an answer that did not fully answer my
> > question.  I was given a link or something to a discussion of
> > rendering, but I was not able to discern from the link what exactly
> > happens to the grease and oil.
> >
> > So, what *is* done with waste grease and oil, a this point, other
> than
> > throwing it down the drain?  What productive uses are presently
> made,
> > if any, from these products?
>
> To my knowledge, it is used in cosmetics, & most goes to animal feed.
>
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Re: [biofuel] SVO in turbodiesels

[craig reece]

Alan,

I can't think of anything about a turbodiesel engine on SVO or WVO that
would make it react any differently than a non-turboed engine. Your
Trooper, being indirect-injection and with a mechanical fuel injection
pump, would be a perfect candidate for WVO.

Turbos just add a lot of power and fuel economy while not adding much in
the way of complexity.

Craig

Alan Petrillo wrote:

>  I remember some time ago there was a discussion about the effects of
> burning SVO in a turbodiesel, but I don't remember the outcome of the
> discussion.
>
> What are the drawbacks, and potential pitfalls of burning SVO in a
> turbodiesel?
>
> The turbodiesel in question is a 1986 Isuzu Trooper.  The engine is an
>
> indirect injection diesel with a mechanical injection pump.  It is
> neither direct injection nor common rail.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] SVO in turbodiesels

[craig reece]

Alan,

An intercooler will cool the incoming air charge, allowing more fueling
and power without adding any more heat - unless you turn the fueling up
a whole lot. Adding a pyrometer (aka EGT gauge - exhaust gas temperature
) and a turbo boost gauge at the same time will help you make sure you
don't add so much power by turning up the fueling than you melt
something.

How to add a turbo is another question - if there's anyone who makes a
kit for it, that'd be easiest, if not, you'll have to get an intercooler
from a junkyard - I know a guy who's added a Saab or Mustang gas engine
intercooler to a Mercedes 300D - I could give you his number if you
contacted me off-list.

Craig

Alan Petrillo wrote:

>  craig reece wrote:
> > Alan,
> >
> > I can't think of anything about a turbodiesel engine on SVO or WVO
> that
> > would make it react any differently than a non-turboed engine. Your
> > Trooper, being indirect-injection and with a mechanical fuel
> injection
> > pump, would be a perfect candidate for WVO.
>
> I haven't bought it yet, actually.  A favorable answer to this
> question
> is one of the factors in my decision.
>
> I crashed my little Nissan pickup, long may it rust in peace, so now I
>
> can get that diesel vehicle I've been wanting these past few years,
> but
> just couldn't justify.
>
> It's something of a slug, powerwise, but FWIU if I keep my foot out of
>
> it I can get around 30mpg on the highway.  The current owner claims
> 27mpg around town.  In a full size SUV!
>
> > Turbos just add a lot of power and fuel economy while not adding
> much in
> > the way of complexity.
>
> Cool.
>
> One of the things that bothers me about it just a bit is that the
> turbo
> installation doesn't have an intercooler.  Any thoughts on what the
> addition of an intercooler would do to the system?
>
>
> AP
>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: newby

[craig reece]

Alex,

Hi, I can't answer your question, but I'll ask another - why do people
go to the trouble to make either of the two - biodiesel *or* ethanol,
when they could just modify the car or truck and drive on used frenchfry
oil - free waste restaurant oil. Of course, since I'm co-owner of a
company - Neoteric Biofuels -  that sells kits to do this, I could be
biased.

I'm currently beta-testing our prototype *single-tank* kit, with our
Vormax filter, which pretty much eliminates pre-filtering of the (free -
did I mention that?) oil - and, being single-tank, you run nothing but
free fuel all the time - no need for a 2nd tank, no switching between
tanks. Not currently available for anything but Mercedes and non-Tdi
VW's.

Lest I be accused of shamless pandering, anyone who's interested can
email me privately.

Craig

Alex wrote:

>  Hi,
> I'm a newby.
> My question - why people are more interested in biodiesel and not in
> an
> ethanol?
> In my opinion, ethanol is easier to make "from scratch" then
> biodiesel.
> Regards,
> Alex
>
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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel as wood treatment?

[craig reece]

Nope - it was used on a deck.

Craig

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> treatment, but I can't find the message.  Was I just dreaming?
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[biofuel] Rigged elections (was Bringing democracy to Sweden

[craig reece]

Doug (and Steve.)

Maybe Keith will pipe in with some more URL's, but here's one:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4198796,00.html

I've heard a couple of reports on this on the BBC about the company that
the State of Florida contracted with to identify convicted felons (who
aren't allowed to vote in Florida, like most states.)

Apparently, someone in the Secretary of State's office used a computer
program to identify the most common African-American surnames, then
found, using the database provided by the company contracting with them,
felons with those surnames, then disqualified *everyone* with that
surname - on the theory that this wide net would "catch" - and
disqualify - more African-American voters than whites. And since
African-Americans in Florida, like most places, tend to vote Democratic
they'd disenfranchise a lot more would-be Democrats than Republicans.

When, *after the election,* many of the non-felon but
prohibited-from-voting African Americans complained, it was blamed on
computer error - *and* those wrongly disenfranchised voters were never
permitted to cast their votes.

Sounds a lot like rigging of an election to me. What am I missing?

Craig

Doug Foskey wrote:

>  On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote:
> > Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the
> electoral
> > college, per the design of our government.
> >
> > There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats
> attempt
> > to change law to cook the numbers.
> >
> > Funny they had no problem with the voting system in Florida in
> previous
> > elections.
> >
> >
> > Steve Spence
>
> All I can say is that from here it looked anything but fair - many
> voters'
> were disenfranchised, and the way the count was accomplished seemed to
> me as
> an outsider, definitely not one man, one vote - ie a fair election.
>   As I said, in Australia, I think a fresh election would have been
> called if
> there was any doubt.
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Re: [biofuel] Rigged elections (was Bringing democracy to Sweden

[craig reece]

So you think the Guardian, one of the leading daily papers in England.
made this up?

Craig

Steve Spence wrote:

>  That a lot of claims were made that this happened, but in reality it
> did
> not.
>
>
> apparently, someone had a slow news day and adjusted the story to make
> news.
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> Subject: [biofuel] Rigged elections (was Bringing democracy to Sweden
>
>
> > Doug (and Steve.)
> >
> > Maybe Keith will pipe in with some more URL's, but here's one:
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4198796,00.html
> >
> > I've heard a couple of reports on this on the BBC about the company
> that
> > the State of Florida contracted with to identify convicted felons
> (who
> > aren't allowed to vote in Florida, like most states.)
> >
> > Apparently, someone in the Secretary of State's office used a
> computer
> > program to identify the most common African-American surnames, then
> > found, using the database provided by the company contracting with
> them,
> > felons with those surnames, then disqualified *everyone* with that
> > surname - on the theory that this wide net would "catch" - and
> > disqualify - more African-American voters than whites. And since
> > African-Americans in Florida, like most places, tend to vote
> Democratic
> > they'd disenfranchise a lot more would-be Democrats than
> Republicans.
> >
> > When, *after the election,* many of the non-felon but
> > prohibited-from-voting African Americans complained, it was blamed
> on
> > computer error - *and* those wrongly disenfranchised voters were
> never
> > permitted to cast their votes.
> >
> > Sounds a lot like rigging of an election to me. What am I missing?
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > Doug Foskey wrote:
> >
> > >  On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote:
> > > > Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the
>
> > > electoral
> > > > college, per the design of our government.
> > > >
> > > > There was nothing improper about the election except the
> democrats
> > > attempt
> > > > to change law to cook the numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Funny they had no problem with the voting system in Florida in
> > > previous
> > > > elections.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Steve Spence
> > >
> > > All I can say is that from here it looked anything but fair - many
>
> > > voters'
> > > were disenfranchised, and the way the count was accomplished
> seemed to
> > > me as
> > > an outsider, definitely not one man, one vote - ie a fair
> election.
> > >   As I said, in Australia, I think a fresh election would have
> been
> > > called if
> > > there was any doubt.
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[biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6

[craig reece]

> Alexander Noack, the senior engineer with Elsbett, was in town about a
> month ago to discuss possible summer workshops in Northern California -
> where they sell most of their US-bound kits.
>
> He's doing one in Santa Rosa the last weekend in June, and if there's
> enough interest, he'll stick around another week and do a 2nd workshop
> in Berkeley the weekend of July 4-6.
>
> What's needed for that to happen is a minimum of 4-6 people who've
> ordered kits, and received them, prior to that weekend. Alexander knows
> how to install kits, but isn't prepared to do multiple installs himself,
> so the format would be: you show up with your vehicle, your Elsbett kit,
> and your mechanic (or just yourself, your vehicle and your kit if you're
> a competent mechanic) and Alexander will supervise the kit install. The
> workshops are free.
>
> I've installed two Elsbett kits, one on an '84 Mercedes 300TD wagon, and
> another on my own '87 300TD wagon, and while the kit is very
> sophisticated, the directions, while beautiful and laminated, lack
> clarity. I'd recommend anyone who's interested in an Elsbett to think
> about attending. The Elsbett is the only single-tank system out there -
> you run WVO or SVO all the time, and can run on biodiesel or diesel
> anytime you have to. And the Elsbett kit has no in-tank heating - which
> has some advantages, reliability-wise, but isn't an option in colder
> parts of the world - that is, California is a perfect place for such a
> system.
>
> If you're interested, you can email me directly, and you can also email
> Alexander at [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check out their website, including
> their online order form, it's  http://www.elsbett.com/gmbh/eindex.htm .
> Most kits are about $850 including shipping from Germany. Not cheap, but
> if you never have to pay for fuel again, the single-tank feature will
> pay for itself over time.
>
> I did a long writeup of the install I did on the '84 300TD wagon and
> posted it few months ago on the InfoPop SVO Forum aka the Maui Board -
> check it out if you're interested:
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N53512C54
>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6

[craig reece]

Keith,

Oops.

I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so I
wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL was
really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've noticed some
people will post a blue hypertext "Here" (usually underlined) and you
click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to - but I
don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case of a
long URL, I think.

Your guidance on this will be appreciated.

I don't know if I have the energy right this minute to re-spam the 6-8
lists and Yahoo groups with the (excellent) Journey to Forever SVO
section - but I refer newbies to it all the time, and anyone who
contacts me about the workshop and seems the least bit hesitant to start
soaking their car, their person and their driveway with great gobs o'
WVO, I'll send 'em there!

And - I know I posted the Elsbett writeup to the biofuels list, but it's
been awhile, and with all the new blood hopping on this bandwagon, I
thought it wouldn't hurt to post the link.

Thanks for the 2nd archive link - I never browse the archives, and I
saved it in several folders so I can check it out and re-read some of it.

Thanks, and thanks for all your great (as always) research during our
recent evil, criminal, genocidal, counter-productive,
bad-precedent-setting, fiscally idiotic and generally dumbass
misadventure in Iraq. 

Craig



You wrote:
> 
> Hi Craig
> 
> 
> 
> > > I did a long writeup of the install I did on the '84 300TD wagon
> and
> > > posted it few months ago on the InfoPop SVO Forum aka the Maui
> Board -
> > > check it out if you're interested:
> > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N53512C54
> 
> Good grief - makeashorterlink.com??? How clunky can you get... It
> does get you there I guess, eventually.
> 
> Anyway, seems you forget it was posted it here too - I cross-posted
> it after you sent it to the vegoil-diesel list. I did sort of feel it
> belonged here, as you credited me for encouraging you to go Elsbett
> in the first place:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html
> Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel: Journey to Forever
> 
> See: "SVO systems":
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#systems
> 
> The message is in the (somewhat less clunky) Biofuel archive:
> http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=20227&list=biofuel&related=1
> 
> See also the links to related messages, and see here for more
> discussion on Elsbett:
> http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=elsbett&list=BIOFUEL
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Keith
> 
> > > Craig
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Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6

[craig reece]

Andrew,

Thanks, and oops again - I see I intended to reply to Keith - thinking
he's sent me a private message - but that I responded to Biofuels. Oh
well, I'm not shy about my political views.

I'm not sure I understand what you've suggested. I use Netscape, and I
send with HTML enabled - but I'm not clear how I'd make a shorter link
out of a very long URL.

Thanks,
Craig

you wrote:

>  Some email programs allow you to create messages using HTML.
> For example:
>
> I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it
> http://www.2pieR.com"; >now !
>
> would display as:
>
> I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it now !
>
> whereby the 'now' contains the hypertext link
> and clicking on 'now' would work in the same
> way as the 'Click Here' that you mentioned.
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:47:22 -0800, "craig reece"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Keith,
> >
> > Oops.
> >
> > I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so I
> > wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL was
> > really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've noticed
> some
> > people will post a blue hypertext "Here" (usually underlined) and
> you
> > click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to -
> but I
> > don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case of
> a
> > long URL, I think.


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Re: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop in Berkeley July 4-6

[craig reece]

Steve,

I've got a Mac, and no one seems to waste their time writing viri for
Macs, but I also use a firewall program just in case, and never open any
attachments from unknown senders.

Craig

Steve Spence wrote:

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> hostile
> emails infecting our machines.
>
>
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> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:47 AM
> Subject: Double oops (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Possible Elsbett Workshop
> in
> Berkeley July 4-6
>
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Thanks, and oops again - I see I intended to reply to Keith -
> thinking
> > he's sent me a private message - but that I responded to Biofuels.
> Oh
> > well, I'm not shy about my political views.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand what you've suggested. I use Netscape, and
> I
> > send with HTML enabled - but I'm not clear how I'd make a shorter
> link
> > out of a very long URL.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Craig
> >
> > you wrote:
> >
> > >  Some email programs allow you to create messages using HTML.
> > > For example:
> > >
> > > I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it
> > > http://www.2pieR.com"; >now !
> > >
> > > would display as:
> > >
> > > I want a Bombay Duck, and I want it now !
> > >
> > > whereby the 'now' contains the hypertext link
> > > and clicking on 'now' would work in the same
> > > way as the 'Click Here' that you mentioned.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 21:47:22 -0800, "craig reece"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > > Keith,
> > > >
> > > > Oops.
> > > >
> > > > I've had trouble pasting long URL's into my browser's window, so
> I
> > > > wanted to spare others this kinda grief - and the original URL
> was
> > > > really long. Am I the only one that has such problems? I've
> noticed
> > > some
> > > > people will post a blue hypertext "Here" (usually underlined)
> and
> > > you
> > > > click on that and are taken to whatever they want to take you to
> -
> > > but I
> > > > don't know how they do that. That would be the best, in the case
> of
> > > a
> > > > long URL, I think.
> >
> >
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[biofuels-biz] [Fwd: [Biodiesel] Help needed]

[Craig Reece]

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[biofuels-biz] Help needed

[Craig Reece]

Subject:
   [Biodiesel] Help needed
  Date:
   Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:36:51 EDT
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I have several questions about bio diesel and waste vegetable oil, and I
hope
someone can point me in the right direction.
I am a High School shop teacher, and my students are doing a science
fair
project on alternative diesel fuels.
We are going to compare diesel, biodiesel, vegetable oil and filtered
waste
vegetable oil on a 4 HP engine. I have a dynamometer, gas analyzer, and
various sensors and thermocouples so we can get a full range of data on
all
the fuels.

Where can I find the btu content of all those fuels? Or better yet, is
there
any way we can find it experimentally?

Also, what is the best source of filters for the waste oil?

Thanks in advance,
Ben Hazel




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[biofuels-biz] [Fwd: Vegie Oil Diesel Conversion Worskhop]

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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: More diesel-bashing

[craig reece]

Good job, Kieth!

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

> I wrote to Ryan Walker and got a very positive response from him,
> he's very willing to listen and has already changed his site.
>
> So please hold off sending him a blasting, it's well in hand and
> it'll end well for biodiesel. I'll keep the list posted on results.
>
> Best
>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] electric lift pumps

[craig reece]

I'm using a Holley electric fuel pump at the SVO/WVO tank, but it's not
cheap - I'm using something that a buddy who builds race cars for a living
uses to pump gear oil to a cooler - so this particular Holley will withstand
temps to 200 degrees and fluids of higher viscosity than gasoline or
dinodiesel. May be overkill ($180) but it's a lot cheaper than a new
injector pump. It's also a rotary-type pump, meaning it's more forgiving of
particles - in case a stray frenchfry bit makes it through my pre-tank
filter and my 30 micron Racor diesel fuel filter.

Email me off-list if you'd like the model #. It comes with a fuel pressure
regulator too.

Craig

gofig1 wrote:

> Hello, just trying to source a 12V electric lift pump capable of
> moving SVO to take the strain of the diesel pump. Any cheap
> solutions out there?
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[biofuels-biz] Biodiesel bumpersticker?

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Anyone know where to buy some?

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Re: AW: [biofuels-biz] WATER INJECTION and diesel

[craig reece]

Keith,

Check out  http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/dc.html and click on the
"References" button, which will direct you to some research paper links
on water injection in diesel engines.

I think that while water in your dinodiesel, biodiesel, SVO or WVO is a
bad thing, and the reason that Racor and most OEM filters have a
draincock for water, water injection is a different animal - and cools
the charge the same as it does in a gasoline engine.

I've heard of folks using it successfully in diesels, sometimes with
alcohol-water, sometimes just water, and it adds power - by allowing you
to turn up the boost, or just drive at WOT (wide open throttle) up long
grades - while monitoring EGT's (exhaust gas temps) via a pyrometer,
hopefully - without overheating the engine.

By alcohol, I mean whatever they put in windshield washer solvent for
anti-freeze - isopropyl maybe?

Craig


You wrote:

>  Thankyou Camillo. Sorry, yes, no entry for the Austrian standard
> under Water. The other standards range from 200 (Czech) to 700
> (Italy), with the US ASTM PS121-99 at <0.05% (the new ASTM D-6751
> standard says "water and sediment 0.050 max % volume"). Good to know
> it doesn't make a lot of sense, and why.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith
>
> All the standards are here, by the way (except ASTM D-6751), and much
> besides:
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#biodstds
>
>
> >Comment on "various national biodiesel standards set rather low
> >tolerances for water content":
> >
> >The Austrian Standard ONORM C 1191 said only: "No water should settle
>
> >out"
> >(i.e. about 1200ppm water would stay in solution in our FAME.)
> >
> >All others bother about 500 and even 300 ppm (DIN), which is nonsense
>
> >IMO, as FAME is hygroscopic and will attrack humidity from air until
> it
> >is back to 1200ppm. Means, in your car you will have anything but
> >300ppm.
> >
> >Anyway, our new plant in Zistersdorf, Austria, had 54 ppm in the last
>
> >analysis. :-)
> >
> >Camillo Holecek
> >
> >Energea Umwelttechnologie GmbH,
> >Biodiesel Raffinerie GmbH,
> >DonauWind GmbH&Co KG
> >
> >-UrsprŸngliche Nachricht-
> >Von: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Mai 2002 14:41
> >An: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com
> >Betreff: Re: [biofuels-biz] WATER INJECTION and diesel
> >
> >
> > >Keith,
> > >I recall a series of postings on your other group (I unsubscribed
> > >due the volume)
> > >dealing with misters. I thought there was some for diesels too?
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >Dave
> >
> >Hello Dave, how're you doing?
> >
> >Yes, people were working with Ron Novak's device, with good results.
> >But I don't think any of them were diesels - it works with the
> >carburettor. The same principle should apply to diesels though,
> >shouldn't it? Any ideas? Though all the various national biodiesel
> >standards set rather low tolerances for water content.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Keith
>
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[biofuels-biz] Water injection again (was Re: AW: WATER INJECTION and diesel

[craig reece]

Keith,

I was out of town, just checked my older email threads - and found this.

The systems (Aqua-Mist is the one I've seen explained on the web) seem
pretty simple, and I think they're good for power and cooling - I don't
remember seeing anything about lowering emissions.

My understanding is that a diesel engine running on biodiesel or SVO/WVO
is putting out almost nothing but NOx, and a trap oxidized gets most of
that - and most of the soot, which is usually greatly reduced due to
more complete combustion than dinodiesel. And since it's the sulfur in
dino that kills trap oxidizers, they'll last a long time with bio or
SVO.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  Hello Craig
>
> I missed this post at Biofuels-biz at the time somehow, just seen it
> now. Tut tut... Thanks very much, very interesting.
>
> Still not sure about it, it's complex - a mist via injection with the
> air vs water in the fuel that gets misted anyway when it's injected
> with the rest of the fuel?
>
> Most of the work on fuel emulsions seems to be focusing on emissions
> reductions more than increased combustion efficiency. Would you
> perhaps get both effects?
>
> regards
>
> Keith
>
>
> >Keith,
> >
> >Check out  http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/dc.html and click on the
> >"References" button, which will direct you to some research paper
> links
> >on water injection in diesel engines.
> >
> >I think that while water in your dinodiesel, biodiesel, SVO or WVO is
> a
> >bad thing, and the reason that Racor and most OEM filters have a
> >draincock for water, water injection is a different animal - and
> cools
> >the charge the same as it does in a gasoline engine.
> >
> >I've heard of folks using it successfully in diesels, sometimes with
> >alcohol-water, sometimes just water, and it adds power - by allowing
> you
> >to turn up the boost, or just drive at WOT (wide open throttle) up
> long
> >grades - while monitoring EGT's (exhaust gas temps) via a pyrometer,
> >hopefully - without overheating the engine.
> >
> >By alcohol, I mean whatever they put in windshield washer solvent for
>
> >anti-freeze - isopropyl maybe?
> >
> >Craig
>
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[biofuels-biz] Biox info

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This was posted to the Mercedes diesel mailing list today:

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[biofuels-biz] Biox plant (again)

[craig reece]

Let's try this:

Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:30:56 -0400
From: David Bruckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [DIESEL] Re: Biodiesel...

Gang,

I recently went to tour the Biox (http://www.bioxcorp.com/) biodiesel
plant near Toronto. Their process is quite different from the usual
methanol/lye system. They can accept any input, from rendered animal
fat to pure vegetable oil. The cetane values are too high to measure,
over 80 at a minimum, the flashpoint (300F) is way higher than
standard diesel (125F), and there's no washing of the output
required. Sunoco is interested because their tar sands-derived diesel
fuels require cetane boosters to be legal for sale. Just a little bit
of the Biox-process biodiesel will dramatically raise the cetane
values.

Biox use a completely unique co-solvent process with complete
recovery of the catalyst materials (essentially no trace catalysts
left in the output, so no danger to injection pumps etc.). No hazmats
are used in the process, and the whole reaction is 99% complete in
ten minutes at ambient temperatures and pressures.

They are actually going after the rendering plant market; the value
of rendered animal products has dropped from 40 cents/lb to 4
cents/lb since it is basically no longer acceptable to include
rendered animal products in animal feed. The idea is that a rendering
plant can use the biodiesel system to process the fats into heat for
the plant, fuel for the trucks, and glycerol, which has a higher
market value than the rendered fats that comprise it.

The cost of producing a litre of biodiesel using the Biox process is
about 0.08 cents/litre, making it competitive with petro diesel.

As others have pointed out, B100 reduces hydrocarbon emissions by up
to 80%, and CO and soot by 50%. There is NO evidence that vegetable
oils have less energy density than petroleum oils.

A number of large PUC and city governments in Ontario and PQ are
using B100 in the summer, B20 in the winter, for all their diesel
equipment and vehicles.

The only remaining hurdle is winter. Vegetable and animal-based fats
tend to solidify earlier than petro, so it's still necessary to use a
B20 or lower mixture when it get's really cold. I'm sure that if even
a tiny fraction of the money thrown at petro extraction were turned
towards solving the biodiesel cold flow problem, B100 would be viable
in all climates.

Additional resources: http://www.biodieselnow.com/

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Re: [biofuel] Anyone installed Espar diesel heater in WVO system?

[Craig Reece]

Geoff,

You wrote:

> Has anyone installed an Espar, Webasto or other diesel fired water
> heater in their WVO system to pre-heat the cooling system and thus
> the WVO?..My question is if these will work burning WVO.


I've installed a Webasto diesel-fired coolant heater/pump in my Tdi Land 
Rover, plumbed into the cooling system (obviously) and will use it to 
preheat the coolant in my radiator, engine, heatercore,  Webb HotSTK 
(now Racor HotSTK, since they bought Webb in December)  in my WVO tank, 
and in my Vormax fuel pre-filter/filter, which has a heat exchange 
function. (The Webb HotSTK is the only way that we - Neoteric Biofuels 
www.biofuels.ca recommend as a  means to introduce coolant into a fuel 
tank - we don't feel like taking on the potential liability we'd incur 
if a customer had a catastrophic loss of coolant into their fuel from a 
copper loop or transmission oil cooler. Which has happened, BTW - with 
diesel engines being turned into boat anchors in a few minutes of 
operation without coolant.)

So, fire up the Webasto or Espar, (and they both offer a keychain remote 
feature) and after some amount of time, which of course varies depending 
on ambient air temps, you've got hot coolant being circulated (by the 
12V pump) through all of the above components, so you've got: a hot 
engine, hot (or at least warm) fuel in your injection pump and 
injectors, hot fuel in your tank, hot fuel in your fuel filter, and hot 
coolant in your heatercore - so everything, including your passenger 
compartment, is hot prior to starting the car. For campers or RV's, you 
can plumb a  hot water heat exchanger into the loop, and use the Webasto 
or Espar to provide you with domestic hot water. If your fuel lines are 
bundled next to your coolant lines (HOH or hose-on-hose, as opposed to 
HIH or hose-in-hose, which scares us (see above - can you say 
"catastrophic loss of coolant") with the whole bundle insulated with 
foam pipe insulation) you've also got a heated fuel path from tank to 
engine.

As far as running an Espar or Webasto on WVO: Alexander Noack, the 
senior engineer at Elsbett, who's in charge of the SVO kit side of their 
business, (and Elsbett installs Espar heaters as a cold-weather option 
on conversions they do at their workshop in Germany) told me that Espar 
claims you can run *biodiesel* (not SVO or WVO) in their heaters, but 
that you need to run them on diesel periodically. Whether pre-heated 
biodiesel would eliminate this need, I don't know. And it's possible 
that pre-heated WVO would also combust properly. I'd of course suggest 
our Vegtherm 12V inline fuel heater for this purpose. My Land Rover 
isn't quite on the road yet, but when it is, I'll be experimenting with 
the Webasto, to see if it will run on pre-heated biodiesel, and I'm sure 
I'll try it on pre-heated WVO at some point. With a bit of plumbing one 
could of course do a two-tank system for the Webasto or Espar and start 
it on bioD or dinoD, run it on WVO, then shut down on dinoD or bioD.

I'll keep the group informed of the outcome of my experiments.

Craig Reece



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[biofuel] Vormax/Filtering (was: Anyone installed Espar diesel heater in WVO system?

[Craig Reece]

Geoff,

My pleasure. Your approach is very thorough and we're mining the same 
vein - singletank WVO that's bulletproof and can be driven like an 
"ordinary diesel."

My answers to your question are below:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> Thanks for the info.I have spoke with you once on the phone
> briefly before the Christmas holiday.I especially appreciate
> your feedback on the choices for Webb HotSTK and hose on hose for
> reliability and minimizing the downside risk..This is my first
> attempt at converting a diesel to run primarily on WVO and I'm going
> to go overboard which is my nature.Rather than start with
> a "bare bones" approach I'm opting to go with the latest technology
> available, create what I can't find and hopefully attain my goal of
> a nearly "on demand" "fill up, turn the key, pause for the glow
> plugs and drive" vehicle running on WVO.
>
> Questions on the Vormax which I will cheerfully purchase from your
> company.
>
> 1.  Can you get more than one heating element in itSuch as 12V
> heat, coolant heat and 120V heat all in the same unit?.I'd at
> least like to have 12v and coolant together and preferably all 3
> options bundled together.

Yes, the Vormax comes standard with provision for fluid heat exchange 
(coolant or return fuel, with coolant producing higher fuel temps) and 
12V/180W heat and 120V heat

>
> 2.  Are you letting your WVO settle before pouring it in the tank or
> do you use any WVO that you can pump from a dumpster?.I'd like
> to believe that a Vormax could handle these, however I had planned
> to build or buy a pumping and filtering system for collection and
> purifying.

We (Ed Beggs and I, aka Neoteric Biofuels, let our restaurant oil settle 
in the jugs (we persuade them to give us their oil in the jugs in came 
in - for portability, so we don't have to dumpster dive, so we don't run 
the risk of getting water or other funky stuff that might find it's way 
into the dumpster, and so we can see what kind of oil they're buying - 
so we can avoid partially-hydrogenated oil, for instance) then we use 
the 12V FillRite diesel transfer pump we sell, with a 70 micron 
stainless mesh filter on the end of the suction hose - actually, it's 
inside a PVC "wand" we're going to start selling - with holes in the 
bottom of an airtight tube and the filter at the top of the tube. With 
this setup, we pump settled WVO right into our fuel tanks - and I have 
conversion customers (we do conversions in my  Berkeley workshop) who do 
the same. The Vormax, with it's pre-filter, takes care of the rest of 
the filtering.

You could use the same setup for dumpster diving, by placing the end of 
the wand just below the top surface of the oil - avoiding the 
(hopefully) settled food and/or water. I'd consider doing this on the 
road if I'd run out of pre-filtered and settled WVO. (I can fit 16 - 5 
gallon carboys of settled and pre-filtered WVO in the rear of my '87 
Mercedes wagon, and that 80 gallons plus my stock tank's (I'm running 
singletank) 18 gallons is enough for me to do a free roadtrip of about 
2450 miles before I have to start thinking about scoring some more WVO. 
With your Cummins, you could carry a lot more WVO, of course.

>
> 3.  What is the average life of the filter you use on the Vormax and
> what do you recommend?.Is it a cellulose type filter?.I
> thought I had read that VO causes the fibers to swell and can ruin
> them quicklyHave you heard of this?

No one I know has had any problems with standard spin-on or 
cartridge-type fuel filters on WVO. When Ed first installed a Vormax on 
his '91 Jetta, he put 6000 miles on the original Fleetguard cartridge on 
the Vormax, and the vacuum gauge that indicates filter restriction never 
moved out of the green "safe zone." He drained a bit of visible food 
bits out of the clear Lexan prefilter bowl twice in that 6000 miles. 
I've got about 5000 miles on my original cartridge. And they're only $11 
at my local Ford Truck dealer - and about that at your Dodge dealer, and 
most CAT, Freightliner, Kenworth, Peterbuilt, etc. big truck dealers 
stock them - as well as truck stops on the highway.

>
> I have many more questions, but will limit them to these for now.
>
> Thanks in advance for your assistance,
> Geoff

My pleasure. Keep up the good thinking!

Craig

>
>
>
>
> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Craig Reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Geoff,
> >
> > You wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone installed an Espar, Webasto or other diesel fired
> water
> > > heater in their WVO system to pre-heat the cooling system and
> thus
> > >

"Gasoline" and "Petrol" (was Re: [biofuel] Engine conversion

[craig reece]

Hakan,

What we Americans call gas, or gasoline, the British (and perhaps
others) call petrol.

Craig

Hakan Falk wrote:

>
> No, he means gas, since Juan was writing about gas engine.
> Yes, if you want to run a gasoline engine in injection mode
> for gas, it will work fine. Only a slight language problem
> and I am happy that I am not the only foreigner with this.
> It is some differences between English and Americans on
> petrol, gas etc..  What is what?
>
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Corrugated steel roofing (was Re: [biofuel] Embodied energy

[craig reece]

Ken,

I've built a couple of outbuildings on my lot in Berkeley using
corrugated steel roofing, and I just used conventional rafters with
purlins - 2x4's in one case, 3x6's in the other - running at right
angles to, and on top of, the rafters to support the corrugated. Very
easy to do, and the corrugated goes up way quicker than any other kind
of roofing. Where in Tuolumne County are you? - I have an engineer
friend who's building a rammed earth house in Strawberry. He found the
building inspection department very easy to deal with, and he might be
able to help you with getting strawbale to fly.

You wrote:



>
>  I'm also planning
> on a steel roof, but I'm not sure what sort of support system to use
> (e.g., wood truss, steel truss, traditional rafters, etc).




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Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter

[craig reece]

Bruce,

Funny you should ask. I just asked my local smog guy if he'd check my
Mercedes for smog, and he was worried that diesel emissions would "plug
up his equipment." I plan to call a truck place - I've heard that some
of them may have equipment to test for NOx - most smog stations don't,
apparently you need a 5 gas analyzer.

And you are correct that a catalytic converter or trap oxidizer will
lower emissions - specifically NOx, and that veggie diesel - biodiesel
or straight vegetable oil - won't plug them like dinodiesel
(specifically  the sulfur that's added for lubricity - and which veggie
fuels don't need, being naturally more slippery.)

Mercedes installed trap oxidizers on '85 through '87 diesels, then
removed them, free of charge, when they got plugged. On the '87's (and I
have an '87) they replaced the (removed) trap oxidizer, which had been
in the engine compartment, with an "oxidation catalyst" which was
installed downsteam - before the muffler. I called my local Benz dealer
in Oakland, and they wanted around $200 for one - and I'd think that a
good muffler shop could install one somewhere in the exhaust system on
your Golf.

Good luck and let us know what happens. If I find out more about getting
baseline smog checks on diesel done, I'll let the Biofuels group know.

Craig

"bruce_leininger " wrote:

>  Hi.  I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this
> past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then:
>
> First, where can I have my car emissions checked?  I have checked
> with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to
>
> touch a diesel.  My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup.
> I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm
> getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a
> catalytic converter.
>
>
> Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic
> converter for an '85 Golf?  I understand that use of veggie fuels
> allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise
> destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel.  How does this work, and where
> might I find one that will work for my car?
>
> Thanks much for your help.  I look forward to hearing your replies.
>
> Bruce
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Radiant heating with (bioD or WVO-fired) radiators (was Re: [biofuel] Steel roofing plus other building links -(Wasembodied energy)

[craig reece]

Caroline,

We're planning on heating our house with hydronic (hot water) radiators
- plumbed with copper under the (wood) subfloor. Obviously not an option
for you - you've already got a hydronically-heated slab. I'm hoping to
heat the water with biodiesel or WVO. There are several companies that
make hydronic baseboard radiators - and they don't look like the old
cast iron steam radiators - they're about 2" thick, and can be ordered
in a variety of lengths and heights. One company that makes them is
Runtal - http://www.runtalnorthamerica.com/

Most people heat the water with natural gas or propane boilers, but you
can also do it with a conventional water heater, either with one
dedicated to the hydronic heating, or with an oversized water heater to
provide both domestic hot water and hydronic space heating needs. And of
course you can pre-heat the water with solar collectors regardless of
the type of final heating of the water.

Heating with biodiesel or SVO would involve a diesel coolant heater, and
I'm in the beginning stages of calculating how large a unit I'd need,
but I suspect that a diesel coolant heater would work if it had same
BTU's that a hydronic heating engineer or contractor would spec for the
boiler or water heater for  square footage involved.

I'm also looking into using the diesel-fired heat exchanger from a
diesel pressure washer for demand-type domestic hot water needs - again
with solar collectors for pre-heating the water. And a small and quiet
diesel generator (inside a soundproofed and fireproof shed) running on
bioD, and eventually WVO, would complete the renewable energy package -
maybe with some PV's as well. And of course there's the possibility of
capturing some exhaust heat from the generator for some water heating -
or to heat the WVO for the generator and/or the coolant heat exchanger
so you could run both  - after starting the generator on bioD and
running it for awhile, then switching over to WVO.

Craig

You wrote:



> I grew up with old fashioned radiators. These I loved- a warm spot in
> each
> room, a place to dry your towels, and the ability to turn on and off
> each
> one. I thought this would be a modern version. I think I should have
> redesigned some radiators using the pex pipe.  That way they would
> have
> been accessable and improvable if uses changed- (storage areas, become
>
> living spaces- some rooms never used but heated anyway because on zone
> with
> another used room, etc. )
>
> Caroline


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Re: [biofuel] engine coversion

[craig reece]

There are kits available to stick a VW 1.6 or 1.9 diesel engine in the
Samurai. Let me know if you can't find them via Google.

Craig

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  hello i dont know how to convert the motor , but if you find out I
> would love
> to know .
> I have a samurai i would like to covert
>
> thanks ken r.
>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!

[craig reece]

A salamander is a type of gas-fired restaurant broiler that has an open
top - that is, unlike a normal broiler for home use, where the broiler
is is the oven, a salamander is a stand-alone broiler with an exposed
flame - perfect for warming up cold engine - sort of..

Craig

Bryan Fullerton wrote:

>  Sorry to appear ignorant but either the salamander you refer to is
> not of
> the coldblooded nature or I really missed the point(laugh)
>
> Bryan Fullerton
> White Knight Gifts
> www.youcandobusiness.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: cold weather starting - No starting fluid!
>
>
> > good points. reminds me of my neighbor who put a salamander under
> his
> truck
> > to keep it warm one -30f night. woke up to the sound of fire engines
>
> ...
> >


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SVO and Gensets (was Re: [biofuel] Batteries ... the power to time converter Was: bio to grid

[craig reece]

Curtis,

Thanks for that amazingly clear explanation. You've made a compelling
case for the place of batteries in a genset-based system.

It seems to me that what you've said about gensets need to run at full
power-  if any kind of fuel "mileage" is to be had anyway - means that
WVO or SVO as fuels for gensets could be problematic - for one, you
couldn't preheat the cold vegetable oil with coolant or exhaust heat
from the genset, since the engine would be cold most of the time, given
that the genset would be cycling on and off frequently.

Unless, perhaps, the engine component of the genset was an engine for
which Elsbett makes a single-tank kit. Then you'd be able to use WVO,
assuming it was clean and prefiltered.

Some have suggested a 4 cyl. Mercedes 240D would make a perfect genset
engine - they run forever, can be bought fairly cheaply - entire running
240's go for under $500 in the SF Bay Area all the time,

Someone on the wastewatts group, I think, once suggested that you could
just pull a 240D up near your house, fill the trunk with batteries,wrap
copper around the exhaust system for domestic hot water and/or hydronic
heating, replace the alternator with a high-amp unit or two -  and you'd
be all set. Throw an Elsbett on it, and run it on WVO.

Or, if you don't really relish the idea of a car that's more or less a
permanent feature on the landscape (aka your yard,) you could of course
look for an engine sans the car, and build a little shed for the engine,
batteries, fuel tank, hot water storage tank, etc.

Craig

You wrote:

>  u  there's one drawback of running a genset 24/7 that you may
> ... or
> may not have considered.   And that is that a genset is usually geared
> for
> producing LARGE amounts of power  "all" the time.



> That's why usually a battery of some kind is used.



> Well, I dunno  that's what "I" think.  I thought I'd comment 
> since
> electronics is also *my* trade.
>
> Curtis


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Re: SVO and Gensets (was Re: [biofuel] Batteries ... the power totime converter Was: bio to grid

[craig reece]

James,

There's one for $1450 - with a 4 speed, which allows it to get out of
it's own way - on craig'slist right now. That's a lot more than $500,
but it's a one-owner and an '83 (last year made.)

I'll send it to you.

Craig


James Slayden wrote:

>  Craig,
>
> You serious about getting a 240D for ~$500 running?!!  I have ALWAYS
> loved
> those cars!!
>
>


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Re: shutdown flush was Re: [biofuel] Vegetable Oil Based Bio FuelChoices

[craig reece]

Mark,

you wrote:.



> I've found in talking to people about it that this is a point that
> undertrained people sometimes miss- Gray for instance had a long flush
>
> cycle on his truck, and had a number of times and for various reasons
> shut
> down (and cooled his truck completely) on an incomplete flush
> (obviously
> there are systems including Ed's where this kind of thing is
> completely
> eliminated by equipment).

This is a good argument for having a dedicated fuel filter for the WVO
side. Gray's truck has a mesh-type Racor LFS filter for the WVO, but
then the WVO goes to the stock Powerstroke filter for final filtration -
and it's a large filter and thus holds lots of WVO, meaning it takes a
long time to flush it all out - so in driving home from his jobs, he
doesn't get it all flushed out. A combination of a couple of VEG-Therm -
Ed's 12V inline fuel heaters - www.biofuels.ca to speed up the initial
switchover-to-WVO and a dedicated WVO filter to speed purge times would
correct what I call the Short Trip problem - common among city dwellers
- whereby they're never able to really run on WVO.

>
> Elsbett kits get around this by changing the injector sleeves and
> needle to
> give a wider spray pattern, I believe (and they don't build kits for
> cars
> with iffy injection pumps). Mercedes people get away with singletank,
> no-mods svo experiments thanks to driving a severely overbuilt tank of
> a
> car, with the corresponding tank of an injection pump. Question: Is
> there
> something different about the injector design on a mercedes that also
> facilitates that uncommon and experimental practice of running
> unmodified,
> unconverted mercedes on svo? (Note that elsbett, which customises kits
> to
> specific engines of course, still provides for injector modifications
> in
> mercedes cars, so their lengthy testing of fuels and engines
> determined
> that injector mods were necessary to run singletank even in a
> mercedes)

The inline fuel lift pump of the Mercedes is just way beefy, plus it and
the injection pump to which it's connected are lubricated not just by
the fuel, as is the case with most other vehicles, but by engine oil -
so the fuel is warmed in passing through both of them. And the
prechamber design of the Mercedes seems to be a design that will combust
cold vegetable oil better than most. But, as you point out, Elsbett
supplies - for the singletank Mercedes kits - modified injector nozzle
bodies and nozzle valves which have a different spray pattern, plus
glowplugs that get hotter and stay on longer via a relay that wires into
the stock glowplug relay. Plus fuel heating via both a coolant-fuel heat
exchanger and a heated fuel filter.

Craig




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Re: [biofuel] Injectors, glowplugs for SVO use

[craig reece]

Darren,

Thanks so much for all of this! Very useful information.

Craig

Darren wrote:

> Posted this on yahoogroups vegoil-diesel
> May be of interest to people here who are not there (?)
>
> Darren Hill
> www.vegburner.co.uk
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Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator

[craig reece]

Todd,

What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for
California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50% of
cost is rebated.)

Craig

Appal Energy wrote:

>  Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP.
> Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a
> greenhouse.
>
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Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator

[craig reece]

James,

Another question - the Capstone will run on diesel, which means it
*should* run on bioD, and maybe on WVO/SVO if the fuel were heated and
subjected to the usual SVO bag o' tricks - but will California give a
rebate for alternative fuels when they might recognize that some folks
might just claim to be using bioD to get the rebate - then run the thing
on dinodiesel?

Craig

James Slayden wrote:

>  Combined heat and power.  There is a rebate on any generating device
> using
> alternative fuels, something like $2Kw up to a certain limit.  I have
> the
> info somewhere.  There are rebates on PV, Wind, alternative fuels, and
>
> hydro.  Lemme look further.  BTW, this is only for businesses.
>
>
> James Slayden
>
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote:
>
> > Todd,
> >
> > What's CHP? And - does anyone know if these would qualify for
> > California's rebates (that are in place for PV systems - up to 50%
> of
> > cost is rebated.)
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > Appal Energy wrote:
> >
> > >  Rumour has it ~$30,000 per unit. They can be set up for CHP.
> > > Waste exhaust is monoxide free enough to feed CO2 for a
> > > greenhouse.
> > >
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Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator

[craig reece]

James,

Thanks a bunch - I'll check it out. I have a client who's thinking of
installing a diesel genset -which I'd convert to run on WVO, it says
here - for his tile warehouse and offices - but if the Capstone turbine
would run on bioD or WVO *and* get the State of California rebates, that
would be preferable. Hey, and maybe they'll give the rebate even if they
think you're going to run it on dinodiesel - if the emissions are so
clean.

If I find out anything, I'll let the group know.

Craig

James Slayden wrote:

>  I would assume that to get the credit the setup would have to be
> verified
> by the appropiate athorities.
>
> Here is some info on the wind and PV credits (last year I believe):
>
> http://www.taosgreensolar.com/california_page.htm
>
> Wow, I didn't realize that the rebate for PV/Wind/Hydro is $4.50 per
> watt!!  that is quite good.
>
> Ah, I found the direct link:
>
> http://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/
>
> This is the 2003 guidebook which is under revision.
>
>
> ttp://www.energy.ca.gov/renewables/documents/2002-12-03_DRAFT_EMERGING.PDF
>
> I person I talked to (i called :) I *heart* 1-800 numbers!!) said that
> the
> funds are on hold at present and there is a 30 day wait period for
> both
> the final guidebook revision and applications to start.  The Kw has
> gone
> up in various catagories so that businesses can have up to ~100Kw
> systems
> installed.  Renewable fuels are most likely to be $2.50/Kw credit.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> James Slayden
>


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Vegetable shortening as fuel (was Re: [biofuel] WVO Availability

[craig reece]

Robin,

Looks like Mark can make biodiesel with it, so you've gotten that
answer. In case you're considering using it for a straight vegetable oil
conversion, I would say sure to that as well, provided you provide your
vehicle with some good dependable in-tank heating. I'd recommend the
Webb HotSTK  http://www.webb-sales.com/I80.htm (with thanks to
motie, who turned us onto this most excellent fuel tank heating device.)

Craig

Robin Parker wrote:

>  Another question I have:
>
> A lot of fast food outlets use vegetable shortening - it's hard at
> room
> temperature but melts in the fryers.  Can this stuff be used?
>
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Re: [biofuel] capstone turbine generator

[craig reece]

Thanks, Todd.

Craig

Appal Energy wrote:

>  CHP - Continual Heat & Power. Power from direct drive or steam
> generation. Secondary heat from waste exhaust or spent steam heat
> exchange and recovery.
>
> They probably qualify for a rebate somewhere if you're using
> landfill gas or biomass (producer gases) or biodiesel as the fuel
> sources.
>
> Multiple models available to run on any feedstock imaginable,
> fossil fuel or bio.
>
> Still a small company spread a bit too thin on human resources
> and they don't get back to "small frys" very well, if at all. But
> they're going places and will be a micro/modular power generation
> standard in 5 years or less. They are already something of that
> now, albeit in a small circle.
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Waste Oil Furnace

[craig reece]

Heidi,

I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO  heaters, and details
on his use of WVO in a generator.

Thanks!
Craig

"heidinem " wrote:

>  I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil
> fueled car which a friend "converted" for me and don't really
> understand much about. It seems simple enough though.
>
> He has several heaters he has built which use fryer oil as fuel as
> well as a generator, tractor, and truck which he runs on what he
> calls "wvo". He built these heaters himself and I am not sure how
> they
> work but if people are interested I could ask him more about this.
>
> Heidi
>
>


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Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)

[craig reece]

Keith,

Please do. I feel sorta badly about promoting the Elsbett when Ed and
Charlie are making such good kits, but the Elsbett is of a higher order
- truly something that allows Granny to drive your car (or her car) on
SVO - just tell her she can fuel up with dinodiesel if she runs out of
SVO on the road.

Glad to hear you're all moved - it was strange having you gone.

BTW and totally OT - did you ever run into a man named Doug Lummis in
Kyoto? Old landlord of mine in Berkeley, now writes about world trade
issues for (among others) an English-language paper in Kyoto. When I was
a freshman at Cal Berkeley in 1963,  he was a grad student at Cal,
married to Kyoko ( I think her name was) who he'd met when he was in
Japan after having been in the Korean War. I still remember him telling
me - in 1963! - that the increasing McDonaldization of the entire world
disturbed him a lot.

Last time I saw him was in 1964, then a year or so ago there was an obit
in the SF Chronicle for a man named Lummis - and listed among his
surviving relatives was Douglas Lummis of Kyoto - so I Googled him, and
found, among other books and articles he'd written, an article opposing
GAT and NAFTA - perfect for a man that saw it coming a long time ago, I
thought.

Good luck getting settled in.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be
> travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.)
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >From: craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:33:02 -0800
> >Subject: Elsbett (long) (was Re: [vegoil-diesel] Suitable Injectors,
> > glowplugs fitted to Mercedes
> >
> >Here's a little writeup I did about the Elsbett kit I installed on an
>
> >'84 Mercedes 300 TD wagon. Darren and/or Stephan may need to check it
>
> >for accuracy:
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >Elsbett, DIY single-tank system thoughts
> >
> >
> >I installed an Elsbett single-tank system on an Î84 Mercedes 300TD
> wagon
> >last month, and itâs running just fine in Northern California - where
>
> >the coldest temps weâve seen so far are probably in the low 30âs, if
> >that. Elsbett recommends that you mix in a little dinodiesel when
> temps
> >get real cold - and what this temp is depends on what the vehicle is
> -
> >Mercedes are famous among WVOâers for the ability of their inline
> >liftpump to pull thick oil from the tank. (Curiously, Elsbett
> recommends
> >against blending in biodiesel - calling it ãcorrosiveä - and they may
> be
> >justifiably concerned about skanky unwashed and badly made homebrew
> >causing problems with their equipment - but I think it could have
> more
> >to do with the fact that in Germany theyâre competing with
> biodiesel.)
> >They also stipulate that the kit is to be used with new SVO only -
> and
> >recommend Canola. The car I converted is running on WVO - but itâs
> been
> >titrated by girl Mark, and she also boiled a small sample to listen
> for
> >the sputtering that letâs you know if thereâs water in the oil - and
> it
> >passed both tests. I then pre-filtered it to .5 micron with Greaselâs
>
> >filterbags (www.greasel.com.) I understand that Elsbett doesn't want
> to
> >be waranteeing a kit that might get damaged by funky crud-laden
> and/or
> >Drano-laced fuel, but I think that good WVO should be ok.
> >
> >The kit was $870 including shipping from Germany, then you need to
> add
> >the charge from a local Bosch shop to swap out the stock injector
> nozzle
> >bodies and nozzle valves for new ones that Elsbett provides. I paid
> >$25/per for this - or $125 for the 5 injectors. So total not
> including
> >labor was $995 - not cheap. Elsbett also tells you to have the Bosch
> >shop turn up the opening pressure on the injectors by 5-10 bar - I
> told
> >them to try for 7.5 bar. I assume that the higher pressure is
> designed
> >to better optimize the thicker fuel.
> >
> >The kit is great, the directions suck. They give you 4-5 big
> laminated
> >pages, some with photos of the components of the kit installed in the
>
> >engine compartment, and one of which is an electrical schematic. All
> of
> >it almost totally useless, except as a starting point. I spent more
> time
> >figuring out the directions than I did installing the kit - calling
> and
> >emailing Elsbett, talking to Capra JâNeva whoâs installed an Elsbett
> on
> >a Toyota diesel pickup, and consulting with a professional mechanic
> who
> >deconstructed the schematic for me.
> >
> >Hereâs what the k

Oops! (was Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)

[craig reece]

Oops! I thought Keith had written to me off-list, and meant to reply
off-list. Sorry about the extremely OT chatter about Doug Lummis, etc!

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  I hope you don't mind if I cross-post this Craig - it seems to be
> travelling quite well! (The message as well as the Merc.)
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>


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Re: [biofuel] RE: shutdown flush (after a long pause)

[craig reece]

Mark (and Darren,)

I think that cold oil in the fuel injection pump isn't a problem because
of "gumming" - it's only a problem if the cold oil's still cold when it
reaches the combustion chamber, or the pre-combustion chamber. Elsbett
gets around this cold oil problem in two ways - via the glowplugs that
get hotter (we think) and (for sure) stay on longer than normal 'plugs,
and by means of the heated fuel filter. And, as you point out, the
special injector nozzle bodies and nozzle valves that Elsbett provides -
plus the fact that they have you take your injectors to your local Bosch
injector shop to turn up the opening pressure may both also help cold
oil combust.

Neoteric's VEG-Therm would also probably help - that is, if one were
attempting to create a DIY one-tank system. If you plumbed a VEG-Therm
into the system after the fuel injection pump and before the injectors,
you'd be ensuring that you had hot fuel to (easily) combust.

The absence of flushing of WVO or SVO via biodiesel or dinodiesel in a
one-tank system does, I think, make it very important that you're
completely combusting your fuel - as Darren points out. Otherwise, you
might get the dreaded "injector coking" that we hear about. Easy to
check for by removing an injector or two.

As far as Gray's Powersmoke -  I sent Gray to see Mac Jacobson, the best
diesel mechanic I know, and Mac drove it, and thought it seemed fine,
and he sent Gray away with a couple of cans of LubraMoly diesel purge to
run through the engine. (And it's occurred to me that running LubraMoly
on a regular basis through any engine running WVO/SVO - single-tank or
two-tank - isn't a bad idea, just in case you might be getting a little
injector coking. Either that, or pull the injectors regularly to check
'em.)

Craig

girl mark wrote:

>  I don't remember where I got that info- I thought it was standard
> thinking
> on svo conversion but that some people didn't pay attention to it,
> hence
> Gray's problems that he thinks might be due to long-term effect of
> incomplete flushes. I got my svo education from a whole lot of sources
> over
> the last few years, since the beginning of the svo movement here- so
> it
> could be old or wrong info if you're not finding it in standard
> thinking
> over there now.- I've heard and read so much that I disremember the
> exact
> source of where I got that- through several years of going to people's
>
> workshops, talking to a lot of people, and being on the vegoil-diesel
> and
> other lists, and reading a lot of stuff, both that linked all over the
> web
> and put out in print by various kitmakers and other svo enthusiasts. I
>
> thought that elsbett gets around all of this via the injector changes-
> that
> the higher pressure and different injector nozzles are less sensitive
> to
> clogging via cold oil than injectors optimized for petrodiesel are. I
> was
> also wondering how elsbett gets around this issue in pumps- though
> remember
> that some pumps are built much beefier than others, and that Elsbett
> doesn't recommend singletank for every vehicle, only some vehicles and
> some
> pumps.  I think that Gray has one of the engines that elsbett doesn't
> recommend singletank for, and his power loss/noise/wear problem is
> eluding
> the several things he's done to try and diagnose and fix it.  somebody
>
> certainly correct me if I'm wrong on this gumming issue.
>
> mark
>
>
>
>
> At 08:49 PM 1/21/2003 +, you wrote:
>
>
>
> > > From: girl mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 07 January 2003 18:41
> >
> >
> >Girl Mark said:
> >
> > > slightly offtopic to what you're talking about above:
> > >
> > > Since we're talking about viscosity, I want to remind people
> > > that besides
> > > lowering viscosity and providing low-viscosity fuel for
> > > startup, another
> > > important function of two-tank systems is flushing any traces
> > > of vegetable
> > > oil out of your pump and injectors, not just so that the
> > > injector pump
> > > contains diesel that'll actually get it started while cold,
> > > but also so as
> > > to prevent vegetable oil from gumming up , oxidizing, or
> > > whatever it is it
> > > does, when hot oil cools down on parts (can somebody set me
> > > straight on
> > > which it is if it's not the same thing please?) ...
> > >
> >
> >As I said :
> >
> > > >I'm no chemist or combustion physicist and without more detail
> it's
> > > >hard to assess exactly what is going on.  I will however make a
> few
> > > >comments.
> > > >
> >
> >I'm not totally sure about the point your making here Mark.  When I
> read
> >this I mentally hung a ? over it, as I don't recall having seen any
> >reports of this and I ment to dig through the info I have to find any
>
> >references...
> >I haven't had a chance but this has been playing on my mind, all I
> can
> >add is, what about single tank systems, particualy the well tested
> >Elsbett.
> >
> >What do you base your statement on?
> >
> >Maybe this is something I have missed 

Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Waste Oil Furnace

[craig reece]

Heidi,

No, you sent it to the biofuels Yahoo group, and I responded to the
group. Looks like I'm the only one who's responded - hard to believe -
it's such a good application for WVO.

I look forward to hearing more about his stuff, and thanks,

Craig

"heidinem " wrote:

>  Craig,
>
> Did I send that offer to you personally? I meant to send it to the
> group. I will get the hang of this eventually. It was easier to lurk
> though.
>
> OK I will ask him for details on the heaters and generator and let
> you know what he says.
>
> Heidi
>
> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Heidi,
> >
> > I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO  heaters, and
> details
> > on his use of WVO in a generator.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Craig
> >
> > "heidinem " wrote:
> >
> > >  I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil
> > > fueled car which a friend "converted" for me and don't really
> > > understand much about. It seems simple enough though.
> > >
> > > He has several heaters he has built which use fryer oil as fuel as
>
> > > well as a generator, tractor, and truck which he runs on what he
> > > calls "wvo". He built these heaters himself and I am not sure how
> > > they
> > > work but if people are interested I could ask him more about this.
>
> > >
> > > Heidi
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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Don's Hot Rod Shop (was Re: [biofuel] Re: Arizona source for methanol

[Craig Reece]

Mark (and Bill,)

A quick Google search revealed that inhaling methanol has not affected
Mark's brain one little bit:

Tucson Guide to Automotive : Parts and Supplies
... Don's Hot Rod Shop. 520-884-8892 2811 N Stone Ave Tucson, AZ 85705.
...

Craig

"girl_mark_fire " wrote:

>  Where the Bill In Arizona are you?   :)
> I was getting methanol by the gallon (ie bring your own gas can) from
> Don's Hot Rod shop in Tucson a year ago for
> $2.40 a galllon or something like that. I think it was called Don's
> anyway.
>
> mark
>
>
>
> --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "mkitchin6548 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Say, does anyone know of a good source for methanol in Az at a good
> > price for a good product ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill in Az
>
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How Kieth (probably) found acronym site (was Re: [biofuel] Websites Was: Code

[craig reece]

Curtis,

Answering for Keith while not wishing to detract one bit from the praise
due him for his awesome research skills: I opened Google, my favorite
search engine, and typed "acronym" into the search field, and got
several hits for acronym websites. Try it and you'll see.

Craig

Curtis Sakima wrote:

>  Hey Keith ... remember the web site which had the
> definition of "Troll"??
>
> "That" website ... and the acronym one you mentioned
> below
>
> . where the HELL do you find these SITES???!!!
>
> shaking my head in absolute amazement at some of the
> resources that you've discovered,
>
> Curtis
>
>
> --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Forgive my ignorance but could someone please
> > complete the
> > >following...
> > >IMHO  -
> > >FWIW  -
> > >OTOH  -
> > >IMO  -
> > >LOL  -
> > >BS  -
> > >
> > >TIA (Thanks in advance)
> > >James
> >
> > http://www.acronymfinder.com/
> > Acronym Finder: Look up 241,000+
> > acronyms/abbreviations & their definitions
> >
> > Keith
> >
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[biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

[craig reece]

I haven't added anything to this thread, but I'm in the process of
changing the gas-guzzlin' V8 in my Land Rover Defender to the Land Rover
300 Tdi, with a 2nd heated tank for straight vegetable oil. And there
are a few SUV's out there that come stock with diesel engines -
Suburbans with the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel being probably the most
plentiful, but out there but more rare are things like diesel Isuzu
Troopers, diesel International Scouts, etc.

I even ran across a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser for sale the other day -
an '82 FJ60, originally from Canada.

Craig

Kim & Garth Travis wrote:

>
>
> Curtis Sakima wrote:
>
> > Take a HOSE and WASH out the inside  now THERE'S a
> > vehicle I would support!!
> >
> Just be careful of the time of year!  I did it to a van
>
> once that seriously needed it but it took dragging it to a
> heated garage to thaw out the door so they would open.  I was a 1973
> ford E100, short box, with a 300 six in it.  Got great gas mileage,
> hauled anything, [I was a courier] and in the summer it was easy to
> clean.  I would love to be able to buy something like that again.
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?

[craig reece]

Christopher,

I agree with whoever - Steve, I think, that "The Vitalizer" looks like a
scam.

The AutoEngineLube device is something that would be useful, I think. I
had a friend who worked on big diesel trucks, and some of them had no
glow plugs - they started by cranking only. He claimed that when they
tore down one of these engines, there was a lot less wear - which he
assumed was because they were cranked for a long time before being
started - thus assuring oil pressure. Moroso makes something called an
oil accumulator that is similar to the AutoEngineLube device - it stores
a couple of quarts of oil, which it releases in the event of sudden loss
of oil pressure - but you can also open a gate valve on the tank prior
to starting the engine to pre-lube the engine. The fact that the
AutoYaddayadda does this automatically via a solenoid makes it much
easier to use, of course.

Propane injection is to diesel engines as nitrous oxide is to gasoline
engines. It provides power, but with some loss of engine life, depending
on how you use it. It definitely works.

Better, for adding power, I've heard, is water injection or
water-alcohol injection - since they cool the intake charge, they will
lower EGT's (exhaust gas temperatures) and keep the tops of your pistons
from melting with the increased power. Water injection and water-alcohol
injection has been discussed here before, so best to search the archives
before starting a new thread, but a company that sells water injection
kits is here:  http://www.aquamist.co.uk/

Craig


You wrote:

>  I'm interested in any learned opinions on the following items. 
>
> "The Vitalizer" claims to increase fuel efficiency by 5-21% and reduce
>
> pollution by 25-66%
> http://www.help-our-environment.com/
>
> AutoEngineLube kit claims to save wear and tear on the engine by
> pre-lubing bearings even before the engine starts to turn over.
> http://www.autoenginelube.com/
>
> The following three links are all for add-on kits to enable the
> injection of propane (I'm sure methane would work similarly if one had
> a
> supply of it) via the engine air intake; the result is supposed to be
> near-perfect combustion of the diesel fuel with correspondingly better
>
> fuel efficiency, greater power and lower pollution . . .
> http://www.tsperformanceproducts.com/propane.asp
> http://www.usdieselparts.com/bullydog.htm
> http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/home.html



>
> Thanks!
>
> Christopher Witmer
> Tokyo
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Re: [biofuel] SUV's on biofuel (was Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets

[craig reece]

Keith,

You are so right about the diesel car and truck situation in the US. VW
Tdi's we have, and they are wonderful, and of course pickups and the
landwhale known as the Excursion are available with diesels, but no
smaller SUV's.

And you are also so right about the lousy dinodiesel available here. All
the more reason to go biodiesel, SVO or WVO.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  >Oh, btw, there's also diesel Nissan Pathfinders.  I
> >came across that while studying Nissan's VIN number
> >meanings.  In the Pathfinder series there is an engine
> >"choice" of "diesel".
> >
> >Curtis
>
> I think most serious 4x4s come with a diesel option. But not in the
> US. The Mercedes G has a great diesel version, at least one, but it
> seems not in the US. All the more serious Japanese 4x4s have diesel
> options. Jeeps come with diesels, in Europe and I think here in Japan
> too, but apparently not in the US. You guys really have to do
> something about your diesel-bashers! Detroit's willing, for a change,
> maybe they could use a little help. And are you really going to wait
> another four years, at least, before you get some decent fuel? Other
> than biodiesel, that is. That US petro-diesel is terrible stuff.
>
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Re: [biofuel] What think ye of these gadgets?[Dns error]

[craig reece]

Yes - I even did a search for "phrannie, batteries" on Google, got a
bucha hits, all to other phrannie pages, and all were dead links.

Craig

Neil and Adele Craven wrote:

>  anyone else get a DNS error for this page?
>
> Neil
>   http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html
>
>   Ken
>
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Re: [biofuel] Looking for new transportation (was SUV's onbiofuel)

[craig reece]

Keith,

I'll take a shot at this. I'll start with new cars - I think that's what
you're actually asking, and the list is (much) shorter. Leading the pack
are the VW Tdi offerings - the Jetta sedan and wagon, the Golf, and the
New Beetle. I think that Mercedes no longer sells a diesel in the US. I
think that's it, believe it or not (again.)

SUV's - the only one, I think, is the Ford Excursion. As far as I know,
1999 was the last year for diesel Suburbans - but I could be wrong on
that.

Pretty pitiful, no?

Used - in descending order, roughly, of numbers extant in the US:

VW Tdi's - Jetta, Beetles, Golfs, and the mid-90's Tdi Passat wagons
(and maybe Passat sedans - not sure about that.)

Mercedes diesel sedans and wagons - with the most plentiful years and
models being the '81 to '85 300D, SD and SDL followed closely by the
earlier 300D's and 240D's. The 300's were 5 cylinder, with the later
one's turboed, the 240's were all 4 cylinder (I think) and non-turbo. I
have an '87 300TD wagon, which has the relatively rare 6 cylinder
engine. That same 6 was in the SD (big body) sedans from '87 on. Then
there's the 190D's which have a non-turbo 4 - except for some later ones
that may have a turbo. In the 90's the 300D sedans and the 300TD wagons
went back to a 5 cylinder turboed engine, and the SD continued for
awhile with the 6. All of them are wonderful candidates for vegetable
oil.

VW non-Tdi turbodiesels and non-turbos, including Jettas, Golf, Rabbits,
and the occasional Quantum and Dasher. The first diesel Rabbits appeared
around 1979 or so, I think.

BMW diesels - the 524TD or 528TD in, I think, 1985 only. Very rare, but
the 6 cyl. engine is supposed to be very good. The same engine was used,
believe it or not, in the mid-80's Lincoln Town Car - also very rare.

Volvo diesels - and the engine doesn't have a very good reputation.

Peugeot diesels - the turbodiesel as found in the 505 sedans and wagons
was a good engine, the non-turbo as installed in the 504 was pokey, and
they are all very rare now.

That's about it, except for the very very occasional Toyota Camry
diesel, Nissan diesel car, etc. SUV's include, besides the 6.2 and 6.5
GM diesel Suburbans, the odd diesel Scout, diesel Isuzu trooper, and,
per the recent thread, Toyota Land Cruisers brought in from Canada. And
pre-74 Land Rovers with the 4 cyl. 2.5 non-turbo diesel engine.

And I'm sure I've forgotten something, but that's most of it anyway.

Craig

You wrote:

>  Does anyone know of a list of diesel cars that are available in the
> US? I guess that should include SUVs etc, as well as imports of
> course.
>
> Thanks
>
> Keith
>
>


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Re: [biofuel] Looking for new transportation (was SUV's onbiofuel)

[craig reece]

Keith,

The only thing I'd add would be: the Ford Powerstroke debuted in '97 or
so - prior to that was the Ford/Navistar 7.3L V8, preceded by the
Ford/Navistar 6.9L V8. The Powerstroke is direct-injection, with a lot
of electronics, 6.9 and 7.3 were indirect injection, not much
electronics. All of these engines were installed in both pickups and
vans, and the Powerstroke is installed in pickups, vans, the Expedition,
and the Excursion.

And, addeto the "coming soon" page - the Ford V6 4.3L(?) baby
Powerstroke.

And rumors of the VW 12 cylinder diesel coming our way in the new VW
SUV. And the Detroit Diesel/Allison "Delta" V6 diesel - common-rail,
direct injection - to be installed in SUVs and light trucks.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  Thanks much Craig, Joe and Jesse
>
> I put it all together. Did I get it right?
>
> What about that Renault van of Joshua Tickell's? No Renault diesels?
>
> Keith
>
>
> Diesels in the US
>
> New cars
>
> VW Tdi:
> Jetta sedan and wagon
> Golf
> New Beetle
>
> Mercedes:
> No longer sells a diesel in the US
>
> SUVs
>
> Ford Excursion
> Chevrolet Suburban diesel discontinued in 1999
>
>
> Used cars - from most available to least available, more or less
>
> VW Tdi:
> Jetta, Beetle, Golf, mid-90s Passat, Pickup, Vanagon
>
> Mercedes diesels (sedans and wagons)
> '81 to '85: 300D, SD and SDL
> Earlier: 300D and 240D
> The 300s were 5-cylinder, later models with turbo, the 240s all
> 4-cylinder non-turbo.
> Later: '87 300TD wagon, 6-cylinder
> '87 300SD (big body) sedan, 6-cylinder
> 190D, non-turbo 4-cylinder - later models may have turbo
> '90's - 300D sedans and 300TD wagons went back to a 5-cylinder turbo,
> 300SD still had the 6-cylinder
> 350
> Unimog truck
>
> VW non-Tdi turbos and non-turbos:
> Jetta, Golf, Rabbit, Quantum, Dasher, Pickup, Vanagon, first diesel
> Rabbits from around 1979.
>
> Audi 5000 diesel 1979-83
>
> BMW diesels:
> 524TD or 528TD, 1984-1985, 6-cylinder. Rare.
> The same engine was used in the mid-'80s Lincoln Continential Town
> Car, also rare.
>
> Volvo diesel car (VW 5-cylinder non-turbo and turbo)
>
> Peugeot diesels
> The turbodiesel in the 505 sedans and wagons was a good engine, the
> non-turbo in the 504 was pokey, all rare.
>
> Nissan Camry
> Nissan Sentra
> Nissan pickup (4x4 turbo diesel)
>
> Isuzu Imark car 1.8 liter
> Isuzu PUP pickup truck 2.2 liter non-turbo and turbo
>
> Toyota Pickup
> Toyota Camry
>
> Mazda Pickup truck 1984 B2200
>
> Mitsubishi Mighty Max Pickup truck
>
> General Motors
> The infamous Oldsmobile diesel engines made by General Motors from
> 1978-1985. The V8 5.7 liter was fitted to Oldsmobile sedans,
> Cadillacs and Chevrolets, and some pick-ups.
> The V6 4.3 liter was available in smaller front-wheel-drive vehicles,
> eg. Cutlass Calais.
> Chevrolet car (3.5L)
> Chevrolet trucks (6.2L-6.5L, Duramax diesel)
> Chevrolet LUV (Isuzu pickup)
> Chevrolet Chevette (1.8 liter Isuzu diesel engine)
>
> Ford (Powerstroke diesel)
> Ford Topaz (Mazda diesel)
>
> Dodge trucks (Cummings diesel)
>
> SUVs
>
> Chevrolet Suburban 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesel
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Re: [biofuel] Looking for new transportation (was SUV's onbiofuel)

[craig reece]

Keith,

I forgot to add - thanks to you for putting this together, and thanks to
Joe and Jesse.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  Thanks much Craig, Joe and Jesse
>
> I put it all together. Did I get it right?
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Re: [biofuel] Where?

[craig reece]

Keith and Ed,

It was tedious to read it as prose, but the content was interesting to
anyone who cares about either biodiesel or SVO/WVO. Good points were
made my both of you.

On the SVO/WVO in direct-injection engines - I have a friend and
neighbor who's been running SVO in his '97 Ford Powerstroke for about 6
months. -  (new flush oil - mostly olive, canola, almond and safflower
that we've intermixed and pre-filtered to .5 microns) He's got about
6000 miles on it now, with no problems - with a 2nd heated tank, and
starting and stopping on biodiesel, mostly. That's not the 200,000 miles
you'd like to see Kieth, and he knows he's being a guinea pig for the
cause, but so far so good. He's using the Greasel system.

Oh, and we got the flush oil for free. So the choices for SVO/WVO arent'
limited to two - used frenchfry grease or new bulk cooking oil - there
is flush oil out there for the taking. But if I were to use WVO, I'd
pre-heat it if there was any hint of water in it, and of course
pre-filter it to .5 micron. Both Greasel -  www.greasel.com and Neoteric
-  www.biofuels.ca sell filters for this purpose. If you pre-filter to
finer than your vehicle's fuel filters, they are mostly redundant -
useful if a bee flies into your tank while you're fillin' up, say.

I have yet to get my converted Land Rover completed yet - but that's a
direct-injection engine - the 300 Tdi, and I'm heating the 25 gallon
tank without hose-in-hose - by means of a Webb HotSTK -
http://www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm and keeping the fuel
supply and return lines hot via hose-on-hose - that is, by piggybacking
them to the (annealed stainless) coolant lines to and from the Webb.
Plus I'm using Ed's VEG-Therm -  www.biofuels.ca to add heat - since the
research suggests that direct-injection engines prefer very hot SVO.

And I'm using Racor's heated fuel filters to protect against the dreaded
wax crystals, and the primary filter has a water-alert sensor with an
idiot light on the dash.

I'll report back in after I've actually driven the thing on SVO, just so
I don't get accused of being an armchair theorist.

Craig


Keith Addison wrote:

>  I've responded to Ed Beggs offlist so as not to bore list members any
>
> further with what rapidly became a tedious argument.
>
> My apologies.
>
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Flush oil (was Re: [biofuel] Where?

[craig reece]

James,

Flush oil is what oilseed pressers - factories where they make oil from
various oil-bearing seeds or nuts - use to clean out the residue of the
last oilseed from the presses. For example - if they've been making
olive oil, and are changing to Canola, they will run *hundreds of
gallons* of *new* Canola oil through the presses to get out all traces
of the olive oil - since they can't sell Canola that's got any olive oil
in it. But they also can't sell this "flush oil" as Canola, because it's
got olive oil in it.

So they pay to have it hauled away by rendering companies - who make
dogfood or chickenfeed out of it. Therefore, they will be very happy to
give it to you - or sell it for a lot less than new oil - or new diesel.

So all you have to do is find the nearest oilseed presser - before all
the other SVO'ers and biodiesels in the area do.

At some point, the rendering companies will be outbid by commercial
biodiesel guys, but until then.

Craig

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> Can you tell me what  flushing oil is please ?
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Re: [biofuel] diesel vans?

[craig reece]

I think Ford probably still has a diesel van - it would be a Powerstroke
diesel if they're still doing one. I know they did the 6.9 and 7.3
Navistar diesel vans for years.

Craig

"T. Gray Shaw" wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> Does anyone know of a diesel van in current US production?  The only
> diesel
> vans I found (Nissan Presage, Renault Espace, Peugeot Combispace) were
> not
> available stateside.  One web site
> (http://www.allpar.com/mopar/Diesel.html
> ) talks about a 2.5 liter TDI engine for Chrysler minivans, but also
> says,
> "As of January 2000 we do not know whether these engines will survive
> the
> Daimler takeover." Ford's Galaxy minivan was apparently sold by
> Volkswagen
> in Europe with a 1.9 diesel. The diesel Eurovan is apparently
> available in
> Canada - not helpful when you take into account obtaining parts.  I
> don't
> think I'm interested in a used Vanagon, since they're all twenty years
> old.
>
> - Gray
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] SVO

[craig reece]

I wouldn't worry about the solids content - you can buy filters from
Greasel -  www.greasel.com or Neoteric -  www.biofuels.ca that filter
down to .5 micron. Low water content would be nice, but you could always
heat the oil to drive off the water.

Craig

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  Hi all
> I'm looking for bulk low grade unused SVO to use direct and am
> wondering about how to specify the quality. I imagine that the oil
> should be free of solids down to (10 microns?) and that the water
> content should be low. Or should it?
> Any coments on what I should be specifying?
> James
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[biofuel] Filter source (was Re: WVO for heat, preliminary results

[craig reece]

Jess,

I think the best filters out there are the .5 micron bag or sock filters
that Greasel sells -  www.greasel.com

Craig


you wrote:



>
> Speaking of filters, I think there is a good source for the 5 micron
> filters
> somewhere relatively cheap, I saw it somewhere on one of the forums, I
>
> forget which, but as long as you're filtering and also using the
> standard
> oil filter setup on a HO furnace, then I don't think you can go wrong.
> Don't
> know if you know it, but the is ALSO a filter in the nozzle, a fine
> mesh
> screen, and well as one in the fuel pump, well mine at least.
> That's four filters before it gets to the end of the nozzle. If
> something
> gets through after that, then it's an act of God.
>
> Jess
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] McDonald to use healthier oil

[craig reece]

San Francisco Chronicle says it's soy-corn blend.

Craig

"Neoteric Biofuels Inc." wrote:

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>
>
>
> ...what IS it, though?!
>
>
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[biofuel] Elsbett question - long

[craig reece]

Sorry for the cross-posting. Can anyone explain how Elsbett's one-tank
system gets around the injector coking (and possible ring land coking)
problems that will, most claim, surely occur without the dinodiesel or
biodiesel flushing at shutdown that can (obviously) only happen with a
two-tank system?

What I understand of the Elsbett system is that they have you take your
injectors to a diesel injection shop and get the pressure cranked up by
5 bars or so, plus have the shop install the injector sleeves Elbettt
provides - both of which change the spray pattern and atomization.

They also provide you with industrial-stength glowplugs that are hotter
and possibly stay on longer (they supply an "accumulator + contact" (?)
that you install in series with the stock glowplug relay) and they say
that this glowplug modification heats the pre-injection chamber (and
they're obviously talking about indirect-injection engines here) to
allow initial startup on vegetable oil.

They provide a coolant-heated fuel heater of some kind, and an
electrically-heated fuel filter, and provide a shut-off valve to allow
the use of a separate backup filter (perhaps the stock one) in case of
primary filter clogging - I assume what they're saying is you can return
the vehicle to it's stock tank to filter to liftpump to injection pump
configuration - a good thing for sure.

It all sounds fine (except for the extreme cold weather problems
inherent in a system without any form of in-tank heating - and they
recommend a 20% dinodiesel / 80% SVO blend in winter) except for the
not-flushing aspect, in my opinion. But - they have a good reputation -
what little we hear about them in the US is good anyway - and I'd love
to think a single-tank system could work. (They do specify new SVO, but
I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well
prefiltered)

Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd tank
issue?

Thanks in advance,
Craig Reece


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Re: [biofuel] Elsbett question - long

[craig reece]

Ed,

Running out the door, but thanks for your very thorough (as usual)
answer!

Craig

"Neoteric Biofuels Inc." wrote:

>  Craig -
>
> . (They do specify new SVO, but
> > I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well
> > prefiltered)
> >
> > Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd tank
> > issue?
>
> Comments:
>
> Fine system, but most expensive to buy, install, and use since it
> requires
> use of new SVO, and has no provision for use of diesel once the engine
> is
> converted over to SVO, AFAIK.
>
> If used for what it was designed to - use new vegoil only, it's a very
> good
> system of course.
>
> Comments:
>
> New Canola oil will stay liquid down to at least -10C.
>
> WVO won't, and it is more viscous even when it does flow.
>
> Probably down to around freezing is the best the same oil is good for
> once
> it's been in the fryer a week or so.
>
> If you have optimized the engine for more complete combustion of
> vegoil AND
> if you use only new, pure, less viscous (compared to WVO) SVO,  then
> likely
> there's less residue in cylinder at shutdown, so less of a buildup
> occurs.
> That's the answer to your question on shutdown without a
> diesel/biodiesel
> purge, IMO.
>
> But starting on WVO is a bad idea, just by virtue of the fact it is
> thicker
> material even if it does flow.  WVO in a system designed for SVO
> would
> likely lead to poor starts and higher emissions on single-tank cold
> starts,
> and more deposits in the cylinder than what the system designers found
> with
> the SVO.
>
> It would be more strain on the pump, as well, since the pump would be
> cold
> on those cold starts and then right away put into use (a load applied,
> for
> example, by driving away vegoil right after a cold start), and again
> WVO
> would make the problem worse due to its higher viscosity compared to
> SVO.
>
> Heavy footed drivers would add further to the problem.
>
> .
>
>
> So again, just IMO, re: single tank/two tank, and general use, and use
> in
> cold.
>
> Two tank, IMO, is best, for low initial cost, for flexibility, for
> starting
> out, for use with weaker pumps, for use with WVO.
>
> Electric or hybrid electric/coolant (underhood coolant operated
> heater, not
> HIHMAYBE hose-ON-hose, MAYBE an undertank loop or very good
> in-tank loop
> that is as failsafe as possible)
>
> ... gives maximum utility at lowest cost of material and cost/ease of
> installation. Single toggle switch is simplest operation.
>
> Optionally, a vacuum gauge gives good indication of filter condition.
> Separate filter provides redundancy in case of a filter plug. Six port
> gives
> flexibility for loop/no loop provides for purging of air simply,
>
> Overall ease of operation, installation, reliability.
>
> Larger diameter SVO line reduces load on pump, improves fuel delivery,
>
> performance.
>
> Tank heaters are needed mostly overnight, so 110V/230V (on a timer
> perhaps)...not 12V.
>
> - plug in a battery blanket around tank - it only has to be kept warm,
> you
> should be using a block heater anyway so should be near an overnight
> plugin
> or inside in a semi-warm garage.
>
> Plug it in, at tank and block heater ends. At work all day and no
> plug?
> Insulate SVO tank and lines well. Run a blend of some sort if its
> getting
> too cold for the WVO. Run lines inside if you wish.
>
> Finally, run good old winter diesel for start/stop, and  biodiesel or
> some
> blend in the SVO tank, if the temps go to "Man, is it ever C-C-COLD
> out!"
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Edward Beggs, BES, MSc
> Neoteric Biofuels Inc.
> Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada
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>
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>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Craig Reece
> >
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Re: [biofuel] Elsbett question - long

[craig reece]

Thanks, Keith. You've heard first-hand reports, I take it?

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  Ed Beggs wrote:
>
> >Craig -
> >
> >. (They do specify new SVO, but
> > > I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and well
> > > prefiltered)
> > >
> > > Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd
> tank
> > > issue?
> >
> >Comments:
> >
> >Fine system, but most expensive to buy, install, and use since it
> requires
> >use of new SVO, and has no provision for use of diesel once the
> engine is
> >converted over to SVO, AFAIK.
>
> Well, you got that all wrong, except that it's a fine system -
> probably the only really mature system: switch on and go, stop switch
> off, as with any other fuel, and therefore acceptable to all drivers.
>
> Anyway, the Elsbett system costs from about US$740, it's not
> expensive to install, and it will run on SVO, petro-diesel,
> biodiesel, or any blend of the three.
>
> And yes, Craig, you're quite safe running it on good WVO, water-free
> and well prefiltered. I don't blame Elsbett for not covering it in
> their warranty though, who knows what sort of muck people might try
> to run it on if they did, a real can of worms that would be. You know
> the difference, many people don't.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
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Re: [biofuel] Elsbett question - long

[craig reece]

Thanks again, Keith.

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  >Thanks, Keith. You've heard first-hand reports, I take it?
> >
> >Craig
>
>
> Hi Craig
>
> It's reliable information, yes.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> >Keith Addison wrote:
> >
> > >  Ed Beggs wrote:
> > >
> > > >Craig -
> > > >
> > > >. (They do specify new SVO, but
> > > > > I'd be willing to try some good WVO that was water free and
> well
> > > > > prefiltered)
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone have any experience and/or opinion on the lack of a 2nd
>
> > > tank
> > > > > issue?
> > > >
> > > >Comments:
> > > >
> > > >Fine system, but most expensive to buy, install, and use since it
>
> > > requires
> > > >use of new SVO, and has no provision for use of diesel once the
> > > engine is
> > > >converted over to SVO, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > Well, you got that all wrong, except that it's a fine system -
> > > probably the only really mature system: switch on and go, stop
> switch
> > > off, as with any other fuel, and therefore acceptable to all
> drivers.
> > >
> > > Anyway, the Elsbett system costs from about US$740, it's not
> > > expensive to install, and it will run on SVO, petro-diesel,
> > > biodiesel, or any blend of the three.
> > >
> > > And yes, Craig, you're quite safe running it on good WVO,
> water-free
> > > and well prefiltered. I don't blame Elsbett for not covering it in
>
> > > their warranty though, who knows what sort of muck people might
> try
> > > to run it on if they did, a real can of worms that would be. You
> know
> > > the difference, many people don't.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
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Re: [biofuel] fuel line

[craig reece]

Jesse,

Home Depot sells a braid-reinforced clear PVC in 1/4" and 3/8" ID (and
larger sizes) and it will stand up to diesel, biodiesel and SVO/WVO.
Charlie Anderson of Greasel Conversions has used it on many conversions
and claims it does fine, doesn't get brittle or hard, and will take the
heat that SVO/WVO in a heated tank will contain.

I just converted a 6.9 Ford F250 and replumbed both supply and return
lines to both existing tanks with the stuff, and I used a heat gun to
allow me to shove the 1/4" ID stuff over the various steel, brass, ABS
and PVC fittings - sometimes lubing them with bioD - and it's very
impressive stuff. Wall thickness of over 1/8", and having clear line on
everything makes it very easy to track flow and any air in the system.

I used the type of hose clamp that isn't cut all the way through - it's
easier on the hose - but frankly, the PVC fit all the fitting so tightly
that I think they're redundant (not that I wouldn't use them.)

For the Land Rover Defender I'm converting, I'm using Earl's stainless
braid-protected hose - aircraft and auto racing stuff, with all the
trick fittings - but it's a lot more expensive and takes a *lot* longer
to assemble the components.

Craig

studio53 wrote:

>  Since we already have so many people experimenting with
> biodiesel/SVO/WVO,
> does anyone know a good source for a roll of 3/8" fuel line?
>
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Re: [biofuel] 83 Mercedes 240D as first Biodiesel Test Car

[craig reece]

I agree, and the (rare) 5 speed stick will make it a lot livelier than
the auto. I'd get it checked out by a good Benz mechanic, and if it's
basically ok, I'd snag it quick.

Craig

houtextml wrote:

>  Hi Group,
>
> Had a biodiesel guy at the Austin Renewable Energy Fair tell me he
> thought the Mercedes 240D was a great little reliable, high milage
> diesel to use for a first bioD car. What do ya'll think... it's got
> 200K miles on it and looks and runs good - as far as I can tell.
>
> 83 Mercedes 240D, 5spd, a/c, stereo, leather, Must See! $2500
>
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Re: [biofuel] Racor question

[craig reece]

Claude,

You're looking for the LFS series, and they're techcally bypass *oil*
filters - and thus in a different catalog/different section of the Racor
webpage from the fuel filters.

Craig

Claude Wheelbarger wrote:

>  Hello all
> Once upon a time I had a racor filter assembly that I could
> disassemble, clean and reassemble to filter my next drum of WVO, in
> the 3 years and 2 moves since I last used it I cannot find it, nor can
> I find anything close on many of the pages that list Racor filters. I
> see many that have the clear bottoms and replacable filter cartridges
> but mine was clear with no cartridge, just a screen down to the micron
> size I needed (.5 I think) Does anybody have any clues what model I
> had or where to get another? I have a filter sock but thats nowhere
> near as handy as putting the WVO in the upper drum, turn on the valve
> and walk away while it drains into the lower drum.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Claude in Va.
>


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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

[craig reece]

Harmon,

I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for "stoves" and "stoves and
biodiesel" and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group you
mention?

Thanks,
Craig

>
>  Somebody on the stoves list is building
> cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and pressurize
> the SVO first.




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Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

[craig reece]

Thanks, Harmon,

Craig

harmonseaver wrote:

> Go to www.crest.org to sign on the stoves list.
>
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Harmon,
> >
> > I just did a search on Yahoo Groups for "stoves" and "stoves and
> > biodiesel" and got zip. Could you post the link for the stoves group
> you
> > mention?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Craig
> >
> > >
> > >  Somebody on the stoves list is building
> > > cooking stoves that burn SVO, but they both pre-heat and
> pressurize
> > > the SVO first.
> >
> > 
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[biofuel] Wallas stoves on bioD (was Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?

[craig reece]

Steve,

If you scroll down the page, you'll see that some of the stoves are
diesel fueled - and thus should work fine with biodiesel, if not SVO or
WVO. The Earthroamer guy has one is his Cummins-based camper.

Craig

Steve Spence wrote:

>  even with heated vegetable oil, I don't think these will work well.
> kerosene
> (paraffin) is lighter than diesel. heated veg oil is thicker than
> diesel.
>
>
> Steve Spence
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
>
>
> > Hey gang here's the link for the diesel stoves.  These things are
> small so
> > you should be able to fit them in any size camper.  They're nice
> looking
> > too!
> >
> > http://www.wallas.com/WALLAS3E.HTM
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >


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Re: [biofuel] Mercedes 300D

[craig reece]

Martin,

I have an '83 300TD wagon, and it runs great on biodiesel. Just change
the clear pre-filter and the large spin-on fuel filter after you've run
a couple of tanks of bioD - the bioD with it's excellent solvent action
will clean out dinodiesel sludge in your tank and clog your filters.

Craig

Martin wrote:

>  Does anyone have one, and how does it perform on either biodiesel or
> SVO?
>
> [this has been a test :-) ]
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Re: [biofuel] electrical pump

[craig reece]

James,

Try looking under "Grainger" or call the Berkeley store - it's
510-653-7200. Or  www.grainger.com

Craig

James Slayden wrote:

>  on this note, Mark mentioned that granger is down this way (south
> bay),
> but I can't seem to find a listing in the phone book.  Anyone know
> directly their number down here so I can get over there?
>
> Thank,
>
> James Slayden
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, studio53 wrote:
>
> > girl mark,
> >
> > I looked at the pump at Grainger. They also sell the head (pump)
> separate
> > from the motor, so if one already had a motor... What is the RPMs on
> the
> > you
> > have?


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Bookseller who mail orders to England? (was Re: [biofuel] Pallet Repair & Reuse

[craig reece]

Norris,

It would be helpful if you'd change the subject line so those of us
expecting info on pallets can delete your post about book shipping to
England. Also, trimming the non-relevant text helps those in digest
mode.

Thanks,
Craig

"norris hobson (SRI)" wrote:

>  Keith
> Can you suggest a bookseller who will do mail order to England.
> Thanks
> Norris
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[biofuel] 4WD diesels that get 30 mpg (was Environmental group releases list of 'green cars'

[craig reece]

Arne,

Detroit Diesel Allison is developing the Delta turbo-diesel V-6 specifically 
with
the SUV market in mind - not sure when we'll see the first domestic SUV with one
installed. You could of course sell your 'Burb and get one with the 6.2 or 6.5 
GM
diesel - not a bad engine - not to be confused with the first GM diesel which
deserves every bit of it's bad reputation. But you're never going to get 30 mpg
with something as  heavy as a Suburban. You'd get more like 20-22 mpg with the
diesel. You could swap in the 6.2 or 6.5, but you'd do better to sell yours and 
buy
one with the diesel - they are out there - Autotrader has a keyword feature that
allows you to search for "diesel" under their Advanced Search, and you'll always
find a few.

I'm in the process of installing a diesel engine in my '95 Land Rover Defender 
90 -
I'm using the Land Rover 300 Tdi engine, and it gets about 25 mpg - plus I'm 
going
to convert it to run on SVO and WVO - but it's going to take years to pay back 
the
cost of the conversion in fuel savings. I don't care because I want a diesel for
it's simplicity, and I want to run SVO, WVO and biodiesel.

Other choices available to you are: - International put a turbo-diesel in some 
of
the Scouts, there are a few early Isuzu Troopers with a turbodiesel engine, and 
you
could put a VW Tdi engine in a Vanagon Syncro (AWD) wagon. BMW made a very good 
6
cyl. turbo diesel, installed in mid-80's 528's (?) which are rare but can be 
found
on the Autotrader, and they will mate up to the ZF auto in Range Rovers. Late 
80's
Range Rovers are plentiful for in the $5000 range, and I know a Land Rover 
mechanic
in Missouri who's installing one of the Beemer 6's in one as we speak - you 
could
probably sell your Suburban for enough for the whole project - but you'd get
mileage in the low 20's, I'd think.

If you want to pick my brain further about any of this, feel free to email me
off-list.

Craig Reece

You wrote:

>
> I would like to see one of the auto makers come out with a vehicle that is not
> only "green" but practical for us rednecks that need high ground clearance and
> four wheel drive. "Green" means "efficient" means "long range." There have 
> been
> a number of times that I had to carefuly calculate my range before heading out
> onto Nevada dirt roads. These roads would chew up and spit out any of the 
> above
> listed vehicles. I would like to see a 1000 mile range "truck" or "SUV" based 
> on
> some sort of hybrid or other system. 30 plus miles per gallon of fuel with a 
> 40
> gallon tank would be great, preferably diesel, of course. I'd go into debt
> tommorow to buy one if it were available. Any ideas? Is there a retrofit for 
> my
> 3/4 ton 1991 GMC Suburbanator? 13.9 MPG is getting expensive.
>
> Arne ...
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Re: [biofuel] Re: US Senate panel can't reach deal on fuel standards

[craig reece]

Well said, Ed.

Craig

"Neoteric Biofuels Inc." wrote:

> There are an astounding number of people driving SUV's and pickups and vans
> that do not need them. The "need" to haul more heavy, motorized things to
> the lake for recreation drives the "need" for truck. I used to own a
> 13-tonne steel boat, a sort of floating cottage. Got rid of it. It was a
> diesel, and quite thrifty on fuel, using much less than a typical ski boat -
> but it just felt wrong. Almost got a Cummins and a 5th wheel. Then I drove
> the truck for an hour and thought, "this is ridiculous".
>
> Our family got a nice light canoe, and a tent (with good sleeping pads for
> our somewhat out of shape, middle age bodies), and we have as much or more
> fun with that as anything, mixing it up with stays in cabins and resorts.
> Maybe we'll rent a power boat now and then.




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Re: [biofuel] Sloppiest made biodiesel won't hurt engines or pollute

[craig reece]

Steve,

You wrote:

> Dana, the worst WVO, when properly titrated, makes great biodiesel. doesn't
> matter if it's made from soybeans, animal fat, or liposuction leftovers.

Eeew!

Craig

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Re: [biofuel] Whassup with the List?

[craig reece]

Ken,

I blush to admit it but I'm on about 15 mailing lists (proving I have less
of a life than you, I guess) and I've noticed a marked decrease in *all* of
them in the last month. I have no explanation, but it is curious.

Craig

Ken Provost wrote:

> I realize I have no life to speak of, but I MISS my regular 5-10
> messages per hour from the biofuel list. What's going on? I see
> no new messages on the Yahoo webpage either, since #11828
> this morn. at 8:13 am...-K
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Biodiesel additive "Little Red Bottle" Diesels - was [biofuel] Re: Environmental group releases listof 'green cars'

[craig reece]

Keith Addison wrote:

> Further to what I was saying about additives, as a resource for
> countering diesel-bashers (below), here's one seemingly good
> candidate, with more on the way it seems:
>
> http://www.rxp.com/master.htm
> Master Index WELCOME TO RXP PRODUCTS, INC. THE HOME OF THE LITTLE RED BOTTLE.
>
> See especially "Biodiesel & RxP".
>
> Quite a lot of info here, please check it out, comments. Don Woodward
> of RxP wrote to me a while back and we exchanged some emails. I've
> just written to him again.
>
> Anyone know anything about catalysts for biodiesel use?
>
> Best
>
> Keith Addison
> Journey to Forever
> Handmade Projects
> Osaka, Japan
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>
>
> 
>
> >We're inclined to say, with the NBB, that "Biodiesel NOx emissions
> >can be efficiently eliminated as a concern", that NOx emissions can
> >easily be reduced to dinodiesel levels or below, without sacrificing
> >biodiesel's PM reductions. All true and good.
> >
> >But it seems the dinodiesel level is the wrong comparison - what we
> >have to do is reduce the NOx emissions to below the levels of
> >less-efficient engines (that's why they produce less NOx, right?).
> >
> >What that would seem to mean is either catalysts (no sulphur in
> >biodiesel to wreck the catalyst), or additives, several of which are
> >available (I think we've checked them out before, they should be in
> >the archives).
> >
> >That or argue about NOx - but I think they're twin-bogeymen, diesels
> >and NOx, the D-word and the N-word, little use in appealing to
> >reason. That's the way it was with the Environment Prevention
> >Department in Hong Kong (the now-famous Mr Mok), and that's the way
> >it is in Japan too (with frills), especially in Tokyo, where a
> >populist mayor uses the issue as a vote-grabber (and where really
> >gross garbage incinerators have meanwhile earned Tokyo the title of
> >"The Dioxin Capital of the World").
> >
> >
> >
> >Re gathering ammunition for a diesel-basher-bashing campaign, as
> >previously discussed, progress on my part has been a bit sporadic,
> >as promised, but I have gathered some material, and a clearer idea
> >of what's needed - mainly independent scientific work, like the
> >Harvard study I posted. And it'll have to be US-based work - as you
> >can see from the faq excerpt above, Europe and Japan don't appear to
> >exist on this planet. Leaving us with the Ford Focus and a bucket of
> >piss, LOL.
> >
> >Any further offers?
> >
> >How much use a frontal attack on folks like Club Sierra, the NRDC
> >and so on will be is questionable, regardless of ammunition calibre.
> >While they certainly have every good reason to change their stance,
> >they might also have lots of bad reasons not to. What's mostly
> >happened previously is that we've tried to respond to news sources
> >and so on which have carried their spin, with some success, though
> >mixed. This is where a central resource of authoritative material
> >will help.
> >
> >Another useful tactic will be to proliferate the material to other
> >sources, like Environmental Media Services (EMS), which I mentioned
> >before (my job).
> >
> >Any and all ideas, suggestions, comments, raspberries, welcome.
> >
> >Best
> >
> >Keith Addison
>
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Re: [biofuel] confused......

[craig reece]

Jon,

It's my understanding that natural rubber fuel hoses and injector pump o-rings 
are both negativly affected by biodiesel, and
perhaps also by WVO/SVO - and that what you want are sythetics - the leading 
candidates are Viton, Buna-N and neoprene.

Craig

J Mitchell wrote:

> I also read that some types of o-ring material are susceptible, and some are 
> not.. is this true and what type are a problem?
>
> Is there a list on the net of vehicles which have these susceptible o-rings?
>   biodiesel.
>
>   > I have been looking into making my own biodiesel for a while. and am a
>   > little confused.
>   >
>   > Is it waste vegetable oil or biodiesel that can cause problems with 
> o-rings in
>   > your fuel system???
>   >
>   > Jon
>
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Re: [biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion

[craig reece]

Rawls,

Not sure where you are, but I know a guy who's installing a 2.8 (?) BMW 6 cyl.
turbodiesel in a Range Rover - the BMW 524 and 528's in the mid-80's that had
the turbodiesel used it with the same ZF automatic that the Rangies have. I've
seen entire 524's on Autotrader for less than $3000, and Ford also installed
the BMW turbodiesel in some Lincoln Mark VII's in the mid-80's, and these
engines are out there in junkyards - often with low mileage, from cars owner by
folks who never went anywhere.

Supposed to be a good engine - and the Ford angle makes parts availability good
- although BMW dealers can get everything too. The Ford workshop manuals are
supposed to be better.

Craig

Rawls Moore wrote:

> Malcolm- I am interested to hear about your RR with the tdi.  I was told
> that wasn't really possible.  Most people have told me you need a Defender
> or a Disco I.  I currently have a 91  RR, but it isn't in the greatest
> shape.  I would like to see if I could get it to run off of ethanol though.
> If you don't mind, shoot me a mail and let me know how the conversions went,
> cost (if you don't mind sharing that stuff!), and you experience with the
> tdi.
>
> thanks for the mail!
>
> --rawls
>
> -Original Message-
> From: malcolm maclure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:14 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] Range Rover '89 TDi conversion
>
> Dear Rawls,
>
> I saw your post on the Biofuel group.
>
> We have a G reg RR, a tdi conversion (from a 4.9 petrol)
> I'd love to chat. I'm very interested in biodiesel & ethanol production
> & use!
>
> So do get in touch!
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [biofuel] Particulates

[craig reece]

Maybe they haid is up they b**t.

Craig

kirk wrote:

> Maybe their glass is broken
>
> - Original Message -
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>
> > I was at a meeting last night where one delegate claimed that small
> > particulates 2.5 m or smaller pass through glass.
> > ie. If you live by a main road, closing your windows does not keep
> > the stuff out of your house.
> > I find that hard to believe.
> > Any opinions?
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Re: [biofuel] Particulates

[craig reece]

Maybe they on drugs.

Craig

steve spence wrote:

> maybe they are firing the particulates at the glass with a cannon.
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Re: [biofuel] the need for speed?

[craig reece]

Eloquently put, Ed.

Craig

"Neoteric Biofuels Inc." wrote:



> We are in a race, in a society, where speed is thought synonymous with
> efficiency.It's not, not energy efficiency. Slower is better. We pay that
> mindset with huge amounts of fossil fuel. We pay for that in a lot of ways
> that we don't like to think about much.
>
> We have sacrificed the efficiency of transport for the excitement of speed
> and "door-to-door" convenience.
>
> Remember that inefficiency the next time somebody tells you that biofuels
> can't supply our energy "needs".
>
> Maybe it depends on how fast our planes go, how often we choose to use
> trucks instead of rail, how often we print things and courier them or mail
> them instead of sending electronically, how we rely on a "just in time"
> inventory method in a country much larger then where the concept originated,
> and how we have to panic/rush things whenever that model lets us down.
>
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Re: [biofuel] SVO

[craig reece]

Keith,

Good job, and thanks a bunch! When I run into potential new converts to
what one friend calls "My Cult" (SVO/WVO) I can just email them this
page and save myself lotsa time!

I would only add one comment. While I agree with you that Ed Beggs from
Neoteric Biofuels absolutely knows his stuff - I paid him to consult
with me on my project (conversion of my Land Rover Defender to the 300
Tdi engine with a dual-tank biodiesel/SVO-WVO system) and got my money's
worth in the form of great advice - I also respect the experience of
Charlie Anderson from Greasel. And while I agree with you that the Racor
LFS 28 (28 micron) stainless mesh filter contained in the Greasel kit
(and recommended by Joshua Tickell in "From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank"
as well) is not fine enough for a final fuel filter, it's important to
point out that Charlie recommends pre-filtering (prior to adding SVO/WVO
to the fuel tank) with a .5 micron fuel filter - at which point the LFS
28 is going to be adequate, plus isn't going to need cleaning very
often, if at all.

Having said that, I'm still going with two of Racor's #215 filters with
cartridge-type filters - a 30-micron as my primary filter, with the
water-probe/in-cab water alert feature, and a 10 micron final filter
(and I got a 2-micron element for it - if it doesn't clog to frequently,
I'll probably go with that size as my final filter.) I'm willing to give
up the cost advantages of the cleanable LFS 28 for the added protection
of the cartridge-type, but more the budget-minded would probably do just
fine with the SFS 28 if they pre-filtered to .5 microns, I think.

And just to be extra careful, I'm also going to use the .5 micron mesh
filters Greasel sells, and pre-filter any SVO or WVO before it goes into
the tank - and also run this pre-filtered oil through West Marine's Baja
Fuel Filter which filters out any water in the oil, when running WVO.

Thanks again for your prodigious research and editing skills!

Craig

Keith Addison wrote:

>  New page on SVO at Journey to Forever:
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> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html
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Re: [biofuel] SVO

[craig reece]

Kieth,

You wrote:

> That'll be a nice Landie - you're using the Lucas/CAV pump, eh?
> Interesting. I hope you'll keep us advised. Did you consider the
> Iveco engine? One hears good reports.

The 300 Tdi uses the Bosch rotary pump - a better canditdate for
vegetable oil, it seems, that the Lucas/CAV.
And I didn't consider the Iveco, or any other non-Land Rover engine -
even though many of them have more power - the ease of converting to
another Land Rover product convinced me to go with the 300 Tdi.

As far as the filtering question, I think that pre-filtering with
Greasel's .5 micron pre-filters should allow the Racor LFS28 work, ok,
and the amount of work involved in pre-filtering is nothing compared to
the work involved in making biodiesel, plus anyone who's using WVO had
better do some kind of prefiltering prior to adding the stuff to the
tank, lest they be clogging the vehicle filters with chunks o' onion
rings, so why not use the .5 filter? (And the total pre-filtering
program is: filter with some kind of fairly coarse filter as part of
your grease-gathering apparatus, let the collected grease settle, so
that larger goobers fall to the bottom, then filter that through the .5
micron pre-filter prior to adding the grease to the vehicle's fuel tank.

I'll let Charlie or someone else field the wax crystals question, but I
know Charlie's in Missouri where it certainly gets cold enough for wax
crystals to form, and he's running been running several
Greasel-converted vehicles there for some time with no problems, so
maybe the LFS 28 isn't prone to wax crystal problems.

As far as West Marine's Baja Fuel Filter and it's suitability for both
WVO filtering and in biodiesel production - I don't know yet. My guess
it might be a little slow for bio production.

And thanks again for the excellent webpage.

Craig


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Re: [biofuel] New BioD convert/vehicle choice help.

[craig reece]

Jonathan,

I've got an '86 Ford F250 with the 6.9L diesel engine, and it's a great
truck and a great engine, and easy to convert to SVO/WVO, given that
it's already got two tanks. Biodiesel you'd just have to change the
hoses from natural rubber to Viton or similar, and my local Ford Truck
Center *says* that the injector pump seals are Viton - I'd ask around if
I were you.

Craig

Jonathan Pennington wrote:

>  I'm so glad I found you all!
>
> After years of motorcycle travel for fuel economy and city driving, I
> find myself in need of a "cage" vehicle. I promised myself that the
> next vehicle would be ecologically responsible (I'm an environmental
> geologist) and fretted when I realized I needed a truck. Hard to talk
> about non-point source pollution in ground water and atmospheric
> pollution from less than adequate gas mileage when I drive a truck.
> Then I searched and found the JourneyToForever site. Can't believe
> that I didn't know about BioD before! I feel like I've been asleep :-)
>
> I'm still looking for a truck, and wanted to ask truck owners as I see
>
> possibilities. Are there any Ford F250 owners about who have a mid-80s
>
> truck on BioD? I found one 86 for $3500- in my price range- and wanted
>
> to know if it would need expensive rubber replacement and about what
> that costs.
>
> It's been very hard finding diesel vehicles here (Coastal South
> Carolina, USA) in my price range. New trucks cost way too much. If
> anyone happens to know of any leads, let me know. Also, is there
> anyone in the southeast US on this list? It'd be nice to meet some
> people.
>
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Re: [biofuel] New BioD convert/vehicle choice help.

[craig reece]

If the truck seems otherwise well-cared for, and the price reflects the
(high) mileage, I'd definitely consider it - but I'd take it to a good
diesel mechanic and pay them to check out the whole truck. Mine had 200K
when I bought it, has almost 300K now, and it still runs fine and uses
no oil. Diesels do run longer.

Craig

"Hall, Edward C." wrote:

>  If one where looking at a used mid 80's F250 (diesel of course),
> would 200K
> miles be considered high mileage or what?
> I've heard that the diesel engine lives longer, in some cases as much
> as
> 500K mi. Since I've never owned one, I don't know if this is typical
> or an
> exaggeration.
> Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: craig reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:52 PM
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] New BioD convert/vehicle choice help.
>
>
> Jonathan,
>
> I've got an '86 Ford F250 with the 6.9L diesel engine, and it's a
> great
> truck and a great engine, and easy to convert to SVO/WVO, given that
> it's already got two tanks. Biodiesel you'd just have to change the
> hoses from natural rubber to Viton or similar, and my local Ford Truck
>
> Center *says* that the injector pump seals are Viton - I'd ask around
> if
> I were you.
>
> Craig
>
> Jonathan Pennington wrote:
>
> >  I'm so glad I found you all!
> >
> > After years of motorcycle travel for fuel economy and city driving,
> I
> > find myself in need of a "cage" vehicle. I promised myself that the
> > next vehicle would be ecologically responsible (I'm an environmental
>
> > geologist) and fretted when I realized I needed a truck. Hard to
> talk
> > about non-point source pollution in ground water and atmospheric
> > pollution from less than adequate gas mileage when I drive a truck.
> > Then I searched and found the JourneyToForever site. Can't believe
> > that I didn't know about BioD before! I feel like I've been asleep
> :-)
> >
> > I'm still looking for a truck, and wanted to ask truck owners as I
> see
> >
> > possibilities. Are there any Ford F250 owners about who have a
> mid-80s
> >
> > truck on BioD? I found one 86 for $3500- in my price range- and
> wanted
> >
> > to know if it would need expensive rubber replacement and about what
>
> > that costs.
> >
> > It's been very hard finding diesel vehicles here (Coastal South
> > Carolina, USA) in my price range. New trucks cost way too much. If
> > anyone happens to know of any leads, let me know. Also, is there
> > anyone in the southeast US on this list? It'd be nice to meet some
> > people.
> >
> > Thanks all, I'll be around.
> > -J
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Re: [biofuel] Anyone with a Suburban?

[craig reece]

I think an '85 would be the naturally-aspirated 6.2 or 6.5, and probably
with a Stanadyne mechanical fuel injection pump - if so, it's an
excellent candidate for biodiesel, and also a good candidate for SVO/WVO
- particularly since it's probably already got a 2nd tank and either
2-3-port solenoid valves or 1 - 6-port valve.

The manual transmissions are a better bet than the automatics.

Craig

Jonathan Pennington wrote:

>  Found a Chevy Suburban diesel, 85 with only 80k miles on it. It was
> used (surprise) by someone who lived in the suburbs and felt like they
>
> needed a huge vehicle to drive to work everyday, then got sick of
> driving something so big. Sat for a number of years, so the interior
> is probably not so nice anymore, but I can live with that. Anyone use
> one of these for a bioD vehicle? I'd be perfect for carrying my
> Geology equipment and people to the field, so I'm leaning towards it.
>
> Any specific advice *against* this vehicle? They seem to last pretty
> long and be pretty rugged.
>
> -J (starting to get excited buying biod mixing equipment!)
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Re: [biofuel] One-person boycott

[craig reece]

You could convert a diesel engine to run on SVO (straight vegetable oil)
and/or WVO (waste vegetable oil, aka restaurant grease) and run a diesel
generator at home, on SVO/WVO to charge your batteries (in conjunction
with solar cells and solar hot water heating for both normal hot water
and radiant baseboard heat or radiant heating in a concrete slab) *and*
capture some of the exhaust heat from the generator for water heating.

It has been suggested that a Mercedes 240D (pre-'81 or '82 were
non-turbo and thus very simple) could be parked at your house, trunk
filled with batteries for most electrical needs in the house, with
higher loads being handled by a generator, then capture the exhaust heat
for heating water. In N. California you can find running MB 240's for
under $1000. VW Rabbits for about the same.

Craig Reece

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  Hi, I've been on this list for a few months now and check the posts
> every
> once in a while. I'm interested in biofuels, but mostly I have a
> question for
> all of you and I welcome any feedback.
>
> If you were an average non-technical person in an oil-based society
> like the
> United States, and you wanted to personally boycott fossil fuel and
> especially foreign oil, what would you do? What would be the way that
> ONE
> person could get off the oil at the lowest cost?  How would you, using
>
> available technology, power yourself in heat, light, transportation
> and
> etcetera, without fossil fuels? What would be the steps that you'd
> take?
>
> I would really like to do this. First of all, I'd just like to do it;
> but I'd
> also like to show other people that it can be done. I KNOW it can be
> done, I
> just don't know how it can be done.
>
> Does anyone here have any ideas about this?
>
> Thanks very much,
>
> c
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