Re: [biofuel] back to basics

[anton and federica]

seems it would be easy to attach a pressure guage to the exhaust and find
out. Note that in a turbocharged engine, the intake prussure goes from
negative yo positive as the turbo spools up under load; i have read about
ethanol injection to cool intake temp and use ethanol / water mixes at all
concentrations simply by using intake pressure to feed eth into the intake
at high load/throttle caonditions. very simple and elegant, produces the
desired effect at the desired time without any control system besides a
small tube run to the tank, which must be sealed and withstand turbo
pressure (usually 6 psi, probably never more than 15 psi).
anton
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>Subject: Re: [biofuel] back to basics
>Date: Apr 30, 2001, 8:18 AM
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>Ben,
>That's a smart idea, but I'll bet somebody will come along with all the
>reasons why not.
>Meanwhile, let's figure out how to physically tap into this pressure source
>without spoiling any expensive bits.  How much pressure is there in the
>exhaust? How does it vary with revs and throttle setting?  Is it enough, too
>much or what?
>
>David T.
>
>"With no vacuum available, why not install a tap in the exhaust and run it
>to
>a sealed
>container of the fluid to be fogged into the intake?
>The exhaust pressure would presumably be 0 at idle and go up with engine
>speed and load, so you could easily tailor the delivery.
>This is how fuel is delivered on my Radio controlled car."
>
>Actually, although exhaust pressure is used on model cars and 'planes, this
>is only to reduce the effect of tank surge; the primary fuel delivery force
>is still the venturi.  Try disconnecting the exhaust pressure pipe; it
>doesn't make all that much difference to mixture.
>
>Peugeot and some other diesels recycle a proportion of exhaust gas back into
>the induction side under certain conditions to reduce NOx formation.
>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro.

[anton and federica]

I have added a cat to my vw diesel. it completely eliminated the smell of
biodiesel when it was fresh. it cost me $120 installed. After a year and
15,ooo miles, it has started smellimg again. I have used mostly biodiesel on
the theory that it smokes less and will therefore not clog up. I have used
some dino diesel, though and the exhaust has started to smell again. no
scientific conclusion, but it worked great for a while. If i determine that
it is totally non functional, i may replace it and now that my supply is
more regular, i will try it on only b-d and see how log it lasts.
anton
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>From: "Aleksander 
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] Re: Intro.
>Date: May 9, 2001, 10:27 PM
>

>> Bio-diesel is in it's infancy in this country, their are alot of 
>advantages 
>> but it's not perfect. So for my first question what can be done 
>about NOx 
>> emmissions. Can a catylst be added to the fuel in process to lower 
>these 
>> emissions or will an aftermarket modification be required on 
>engines as like 
>> on a gas burner the catalytic converter. 
>Catalythic converters exist (soot is still the problem, it cloggs the 
>cat). They are quite expensive, mind you. I don't know of a single 
>gasoline car owner, that even changed the car's cat after it's sevice 
>life ended. Let alone to retrofit one. Let alone on a diesel.
>
>Also is viscoscity gelling @ -14C 
>> an over-publicized myth
>> or a valid concern. If valid is there a non-toxic additive (as in 
>> non-petroleam based) that will solve this problem in colder 
>climates.
>Oh, -14C is a bit optimistic for a jelling point. Higher MW, branched 
>alcohol esters will solve this problem. We are working on it. Addives 
>are all highly toxic and, well, nature doesn't answer this one well. 
>Fatsy animals just hibernate. Cross country skiing might do the trick 
>for humans for now. And husky dogs.
>
>Aleks
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Re: [biofuel] Model Engines

[anton and federica]

model airplane engines are retrofittable to run on diesel fuel. the kits are
available at certain model store. they may not be that cheap though.
anton
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>Subject: [biofuel] Model Engines
>Date: May 11, 2001, 9:05 PM
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>Does anyone know where a person could buy or build a
>working model of a diesel engine?  I want to use the
>engine to burn the biodiesel that I make in
>demonstrations and also be able to do some testing
>with it.  Any information would be appreciated.  Also,
>the less expensive, the better.  ;-)  Thanks in
>advance.
>
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[biofuel] drying oil

[anton and federica]

hey, folks, this seems a little obviuos, but I have a batch of oil that is
cloudy, I'm not sure why, but i have assumed that it  has some water
emulsified in it somehow. I have made two batches now, that have had varying
amounts of a thin waxy film on top, and a milky appearance after washing,
and the second batch has abunch of what i think is soap on the bottom. 
what i want to know, is how to be sure the oil is all the way dry before I
make the batch, if my assumptions are correct, or if anyone has some ideas
as to what is making the oil cloudy in the first place.
I have heated the oil, in a 50 gallon batch , to 225 degrees, at which point
i assumed the water had all been boiled out of it.
 is it possible to attain 225 degrees without the water being boiled off? 
how long should I have to keeep it at that temp to boil off the water?
why is my stored (before the heating) oil staying milky, and not settling
out clear? 
will boiling the water out of it make more free fatty acids?

my oil comes from a place that fries corn chips, and most of it has been
fairly clear, and these are the first batches I have had any trouble with.
thanks all,
anton

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[biofuel] circular, no waste

[anton and federica]

I was talking to a guy that does some waste digesting to make methane the
other day, and we got to talking about the left over glycerin being good to
dgest into methane, which we decided could be reformed into methanol, which
could of course be used in making more biodiesel.
the closest thing to perpetual motion i have ever come up with! 
does anyone know enough about anaerobic digestion to say whether it would
take the low Ph of the BD glycerin?
anton

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[biofuel] glycerin distillaton

[anton and federica]

can anyone help me find a table of temperature to pressure in order to
figure out what temp I might use to distill glycerin? 
Has anyone tried it?
anton

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Re: [biofuel] RE: motor oil for fuel

[anton and federica]

I have heard that a neighbor of mine puts used motor oil in his diesel fuel
in his semi trucks. It is illegal ( emissions ) and burns heavy metals,
smokes visibly , and that's at low concentrations ( 10% ) i call yucky on
that.
anton
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>Subject: [biofuel] RE: motor oil for fuel
>Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:23:13 +0200
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>Hi, everybody
>How do you think, is it possible to run diesel (with turbocharger) on used
>motor oil???
>Thank you
>Mindaugas
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Re: [biofuel] Fat filter

[anton and federica]

the centrifuge sounds like a great idea. I am lucky enough to have a source
of clean oil; a place that makes corn chips. 
I filter my oil directly through a 20" filter i got from Tek Supply for
about $20 with replacement filters at about $3. they come in versions down
to 5 microns. i use an electric pump plumbed to the filter that runs on 110v
so it's fairly clean and easy. i used a hydraulic pump from a junkyard, with
a belt to a scrounged motor.  another excellent catalog is northern hardware
supply, who has a 110v pump with a gas station dispensing handle for about
$160.
I suspect that if you prefiltered with a t-shirt or something, a large
filter would last awhile, and the filters apper to be made of cotton, which
would make dandy kindling.
tek supply is at 1-800-tek supply
northern hardware is in the 800 directory; i don't have a catalog handy.
good luck,
anton


>Hi a solution to your problem might be to use a type of centrifuge machine.
>This is basicly a spinning bottle or flask. All the heavy solids should fall
>to the bottom of the bottle then you take the left over oil from the top.
>One could make a simple centrifuge out of an old washing machine motor and a
>plastic drum.
>I hope this will help.

>
>> Has anyone out there got any good ideas on an effective method for
>> filtering used cooking fat. I run my car on straight heated fat but I
>> regularly clog up my fuel filter. I currently get my fat from fast
>> food outlets, then sieve it, and filter it twice through cloth. This
>> is a slow messy process but still leaves too many solids in the fuel.
>> It is not a pleasant job changing the filter, not cheap and the used
>> filters are an environmental hazard in themselves.
>> Thanks, Andrew.

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Re: [biofuel] biodiesel in SF East Bay

[anton and federica]

please contact me. i live in sf and my email is   [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have
been ussing biodiesel as my primary fuel for a year, in vw rabbits, but i
have run it some in 2 different mercedes. also,  cytoculture in the east bay
sells biodiesel and the owner runs his  merc on it. he was very nice to alk
to even thoughi was not lokely to be a customer...
anton
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>Subject: [biofuel] biodiesel in SF East Bay
>Date: Jan 6, 2001, 10:37 PM
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>I'm exploring switching to biodiesel as my primary motor fuel and 
>want to talk to other Bay Area folks who've had success with this 
>alternative - especially anyone driving a diesel Mercedes.  Advice on 
>finding equipment for manufacturing and storage would be great.  I 
>can only make small batches, so maybe I could work out an arrangement 
>with someone who can make and share larger batches?  Trade/barter 
>okay. thanks!
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Re: [biofuel] diesel-fired boiler

[anton and federica]

They sell heating furnaces that burn waste motor oil, which is as thick as
WVO. I believe that most oil burning appliances use a pump, an orifice and a
lighting device. I think it is simply a question of pressure and orifice
size that determines the fuel it is possible to burn with a certain
appliance. I imagine that at worst you would have to put in a new pump (more
powerful for thicker oil?) an appropriately sized orifice, and perhaps a
better filter. I get my biodiesel stock from a place that fries corn chips,
and it is very clean, and furthermore, they said the renderers charge more
to get rid of it because it doesn't have enough stuff in it to make good
chicken feed.
anton. 
>From: Art Wolfskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: biofuel@egroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] diesel-fired boiler
>Date: Jan 9, 2001, 11:15 AM
>

>Anybody know if straight filtered WVO can be used in a diesel-fired 
>boiler?  We have a 50 hp boiler that burns about 2000 gal of diesel a month 
>(not in full-time use), that we use to steam soil before each crop of 
>chrysanthemums.  It has a Peabody Gordon-Piatt burner unit that atomizes 
>and sprays the fuel in to keep the flame going.
>
> Does WVO atomize?  Does it sound reasonable?  I can't just jump in 
>modifying things until I know pretty well that it should work, as we depend 
>on this boiler for our crop.  Does anyone know of any documented work in 
>WVO boiler conversions?
>
> I eventually want to convert the WVO to biodiesel, but I just am not set 
>up to do it yet.  Someday. . .
>
>replies on list or off are fine.
>
>Thanks,
>
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Re: [biofuel] diesel-fired boiler

[anton and federica]

i also forget to add that I don't see any reason why you would have to do
the biodiesel conversion of the veg oil,mif it were clean enough; you could
burn it straight, and save money and effort. If you are near the bay area, i
could give you the # of my oil supplier, he has way more than I can use, and
he pays to get rid of it.
anton
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>Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel-fired boiler
>Date: Jan 9, 2001, 8:59 PM
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>They sell heating furnaces that burn waste motor oil, which is as thick as
>WVO. I believe that most oil burning appliances use a pump, an orifice and a
>lighting device. I think it is simply a question of pressure and orifice
>size that determines the fuel it is possible to burn with a certain
>appliance. I imagine that at worst you would have to put in a new pump (more
>powerful for thicker oil?) an appropriately sized orifice, and perhaps a
>better filter. I get my biodiesel stock from a place that fries corn chips,
>and it is very clean, and furthermore, they said the renderers charge more
>to get rid of it because it doesn't have enough stuff in it to make good
>chicken feed.
>anton. 
>>From: Art Wolfskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: biofuel@egroups.com
>>Subject: [biofuel] diesel-fired boiler
>>Date: Jan 9, 2001, 11:15 AM
>>
>
>>Anybody know if straight filtered WVO can be used in a diesel-fired 
>>boiler?  We have a 50 hp boiler that burns about 2000 gal of diesel a month 
>>(not in full-time use), that we use to steam soil before each crop of 
>>chrysanthemums.  It has a Peabody Gordon-Piatt burner unit that atomizes 
>>and sprays the fuel in to keep the flame going.
>>
>> Does WVO atomize?  Does it sound reasonable?  I can't just jump in 
>>modifying things until I know pretty well that it should work, as we depend 
>>on this boiler for our crop.  Does anyone know of any documented work in 
>>WVO boiler conversions?
>>
>> I eventually want to convert the WVO to biodiesel, but I just am not set 
>>up to do it yet.  Someday. . .
>>
>>replies on list or off are fine.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Art Wolfskill
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Re: [biofuel] Invention said to be bigger than PCs and the Internet

[anton and federica]

hey is this the same guy with the fuel less engine?
anton
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>Subject: [biofuel] Invention said to be bigger than PCs and the Internet
>Date: Jan 10, 2001, 7:55 PM
>

>Jan. 9 - Harvard Business School Press executive editor Hollis 
>Heimbouch has just paid $250,000 for a book about IT - but neither 
>the editor nor the agent, Dan Kois of The Sagalyn Literary Agency, 
>knows what IT is.
>
>ALL THEY DO know: IT, also code-named Ginger, is an invention 
>developed by 49-year-old scientist Dean Kamen, and the subject of a 
>planned book by journalist Steve Kemper. According to Kemper's 
>proposal, IT will change the world, and is so extraordinary that it 
>has drawn the attention of technology visionaries Jeff Bezos and 
>Steve Jobs and the investment dollars of pre-eminent Silicon Valley 
>venture capitalist John Doerr, among others.
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Ron Novak's baby...

[anton and federica]

It  is great to try things out and if they seem to be working , then they
probably are, but i am a little dubious about this system for several
reasons; gasoline cars are very sensitive to mixture, and the fuel injection
, or carburetor, mixes the fuel and air in an exact ratio to provide enough
but not too much fuel. the reason that fuel injected cars run better, last
longer, get better mileage, make more power, and (the major reason they came
into being), they produce less pollution. a good bargain al laround, in
spite of some resistance to the new from a lot of mechanics in the early
stages of introduction in the 70's. 
the point i would like to make is that it appears that you are introducing
some air, presumably with some water and some alcohol, into the intake
manifold. the air would make it lean, the alcohol would make it rich, and
the water would have no effect other than cooling the combustion process.
Water injection has been used a lot, and is a good thing, but i think the
mixture of water and alcohol fume is probably not an accurate stoichometric
(proper ratio of air/fuel, which varies depending on the fuel being used )
ratio, which could cause plug fouling, burning out of the catalytic
converter, and excess emissions. checking the emissions on a smog machine
would tell the tale. There is a good chance that the fuel injection system
would compensate for a small amount of discrepancy, as it is designed to do,
but large differences would be a problem
 a second point i would like to make is that it sounds like you are putting
the vapors into the manifold " below the plate", that is, down the air
stream from the throttle plate, which means that the vacuum is high at idle,
and almost non-existent at full throttle, which means that you are putting
the vapors in at idle, and not at high speed. 
in places other than america, the cars will not have a catalyst, but all the
other proiblems would still apply, as with a carbureted car.
 hope this helps in your developments,
anton
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>Subject: [biofuel] Re: Ron Novak's baby...
>Date: Jan 15, 2001, 4:42 PM
>

>Dick's accounts of water/ethanol mist improvements to his cars are
>inspiring.  I guess many of our list members (me included) will be following
>suit.  An additional benefit seems to be that the water content is high
>enough to be comparable to undistilled products like cheap wine (11% to 13%
>vol.).  Thus the whole enterprise is even more accessible to the wider
>public...bit worried about Dick's wife's car smelling like a refinery though
>(or should that be a distillery?).
>Novak's original, as reported by Mother Earth 1980, utilises the vacuum
>advance tapping.  Question...does the presence of the hubble-bubble reduce
>the effectiveness of the ignition advance system?
>
>David Teal
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Ron Novak's baby...

[anton and federica]

>
>This is a very good point, but surely it iwould not take much plumbing to
>direct the "mist tube" to be "above the plate" or at least somewhere near
>the throat of the throttle.  Then the suction would be strong at high power
>settings when the mist can have more effect.  Anyone tried this?
>
trditionally speaking, most carbs have a fitting in the venturi that would
allow minimal suction at idle, increasing with engine load; the perfect
scenario, but i am not sure if there is such a fitting on any fuel injected
car...
anton

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[biofuel] catalytic converters

[anton and federica]

I have an 81 wabbit that I have been running on BD for about a year. at
about 6 months, I installed a catalytic converter, which almost  completely
eliminated the smell of the exhaust, assumedly making it pollute less.  I
was assuming that BD has less particulates, and would be less likely to clog
it than dinoD , and also, i thought thaat it was possible that sulfur which
ios of course absent in BD, would poison it.
 After running it for about 6 mnths, the exhaust is starting to smell again,
indicating that the catalyst is failing. I have had to run several tanks of
dinoD in it, and am wondering if that is why the catalyst is failing. I had
another theory involving overfueling, and the lack of an air injection pump
on my car, but i am less sure of thhat theory than the sufur one.
  Can anyone tell me if, in fact , sulfur poisons catalysts, and if BD is in
fact compatible with a platinum catalyst, and if i should perhaps install an
air pump to inject air into the exhaust stream?
thanks in advance,
anton

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Re: [biofuel] catalytic converters

[anton and federica]

the cat i am using now has about10,000 miles (16,000 kil.) on it, so I don't
feel too bad. what do you suppose that liquid was? oh, and by the way,
thanks for the info, i am incorporating the 2 stage settling, but am too
lazy to do the 2 stage reaction. 
anton
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>
>To my information, there is no problem with sulphur. Sulph is just
>very dangerous when it falls down like acid rain.
>Soot cloggs the small gaps in the converter. Air injecting would
>probaly oxidate the carbon deposit if the temp is high enough. I've
>heard of a diesel cat converter which every 600 klicks injects
>a few militers of a certain liquid into the converter which raises
>the temp to about 950 deg C and just burns accumulated soot
>in two minutes. Cat clear for another 600 k.
>
>Cheers, Aleks
>
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Re: [biofuel] anton

[anton and federica]

thanks for the advice. Does anyone know whether the new VWs run cats, and if
so, how they keep them clean?
anton

>Where did you install the converter? It needs high temperature to 
>function.An air injector may help,in the exhaust manifold.As close to the 
>exhaust ports as possible.A clogged converter will put out a sulpher-rotten 
>egg smell even with gasoline.Install a converter as close to the exhaust 
>manifold as you can reasonably get it. Give your bio a boost with 5% 
>methanol, ethanol,or kero. Work up slowly to a 10% mix only if needed and 
>so on.You are not burning enough of the carbons.  Your engine "may" be 
>running to cool.Try the next higher temp thermostat.  Do one thing at a 
>time,chart the results. Start with the least expensive option,try a hotter 
>thermostat first. Then try kero,it should mix better than the alcohols. stephen


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Re: [biofuel] anton

[anton and federica]

oops, so sorry, i meant to reply to this one;

i asked that question of aleks in response to his comment;

 I've
>heard of a diesel cat converter which every 600 klicks injects
>a few militers of a certain liquid into the converter which raises
>the temp to about 950 deg C and just burns accumulated soot
>in two minutes. Cat clear for another 600 k.
>
>Cheers, Aleks

to avert thais happening again. in any case the cat only cost me $120
installede, and it is perhaps worth it if I can make it last a few years at
least
anton



>I thought I answerd your question. Converters are never really "cleaned" 
>once clogged.The cleaners or treatments you buy in the auto parts 
>stores,which you add to the fuel, help the fuel to burn hotter.Some I have 
>seen are methanol based. Stephen


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Re: [biofuel] one last time

[anton and federica]

one last thing... if one uses a fuel cell(or I.C.E.) in a stationary
situation, the waste heat can be used for other things such as hot water,
living space heat, heating your fermentation mash, etc. greatly increasing
efficiency, at which point using the electricity in an electric car is a
bargain
anton
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>From: "biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] one last time
>Date: Jan 24, 2001, 1:09 AM
>

>No - not long-winded, but demonstrating the amount of typescript it takes to
>record even a short conversation!  But I would agree with anyone who
>commented that we are just doing a bit of cherry picking - the subject of
>sustainable energy is vast.
>There's nothing wrong with using an IC engine, inefficient as it is, in the
>right place and in lieu of anything better - the point is, is the
>replacement really better, or is it a sparkle in the eye of some
>grant-grabbing researcher?  I know that Ballards have received an awful lot
>of money from public sources, but the most eco-friendly chain of events I
>know of go like -
>Organically-produced methane from waste matter, lightly compressed into
>liquid form, used by a fuel cell to produce electricity, which is then use
>by a Lynch high efficiency (95%) motor.  Other viable power sources are
>organically produced vegetable oil, used straight in an IC engine (same as
>Dr Diesel did) and biodiesel made from recycled cooking oil.
>Fuel cell efficiencies range from the 40% of the PAFC type (phosphoric acid)
>to 60% MCFC (molten carbonate salt) but, as Jerry points out, they do need a
>lot of peripherals.
>Anyhow, in view of the fact that they have been developing fuel cells since
>1952, how come we are not all using them?  Boo-boom!
>And yes, there are fuel cells running on ethanol - trouble is, the
>denaturing required by law for we poor mortals screws up the reaction!
>In round figure terms, it takes 75% of the energy content to make methanol
>(wood alcohol), 25% to make ethanol (hic) and 15% (or less) to make
>biodiesel.
>OK - a good one - as long as we all agree on something.
>Have a nice day!
>Terry
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[biofuel] glycerin

[anton and federica]

I know i should look in the website index, but i have never been able to
make it work...
What is everyone doing with their glyc erin? Is it O.K. to put it in the
drain after one has made sure that all the methanol is out of ti? Is there
some place that will take it as toxic waste, for not much money? 
I know that you can compost it, use it as parts cleaner, purify it to make
soap, etc., but I live in the city, can't comp[ost, can't get rid of 30lbs
of soap every month or two, and I don't really wash many parts, and besides,
doesn't all that stuff eventually equal going down the drain anyway? does a
standard sewage treatment plant take care of that sort of thing easily?
 I talked to a local hand soap place, but they were not interested, and
figure with all of our great brains working toghether, we should be able to
come up with a relatively easy, e-friendly solution.
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Re: [biofuel] Another methos for drying biodiesel/biogas

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do you suppose these could be reused by drying in an oven?
anton


> General Performance: One pound of Hydrosource will absorb up to 48 
>gallons of rainwater or snowmelt, and 20-35 gallons of water, depending on 
>the salt content of the water.
> Hydrosource can be applied wet or dry. Dry granules are usually 
>easier to use, but soak them thoroughly to fully fill them with water 
>(hydrate). When hydrated, the granules look like chunks of clear gelatin 
>about 1/2 inch in diameter.
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Re: [biofuel]Hydrosorb

[anton and federica]

yes, that sounds great, i asked specifcally to know if it would be possible
to dry ethanol enough to make biodiesel with, or for that matter, save a
batch of methanol that hasd gotten wet. I also have been told by my pet
chemist that when you mix methanol and sodium hydroxide you get a small
amount of water, and although it is not significant, judging byt the success
of my methanol biodiesel, that also might occur in a ethanol/potassium
hydroxide batch, where it might be more significant...
anton
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>From: "John Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [biofuel]Hydrosorb
>Date: Jan 29, 2001, 6:14 AM
>

>Tried some watersorb and metho
>with straight metho 30 gm and watersorb 30 gm
>poured off 22 gm metho - didnt have any way of checking if it had
>selectively absorbed the water.
>added another 30 gm water with the 22 gm of metho back in and it absorbed
>the whole lot
>am trying to dry it now in a solar drier and will let you know the result.
>Seems like it might be worth playing with anyway because it didn't lap up
>the alcohol straight away like it does with straight water. - unfortunatly I
>didnt have enough on hand to get my hydrometer to float.
>If I can get some more in town I will fill up the drying column on my still
>and see if it will absorb the water out of alcohol vapour or break down at
>that temp. - I've been using wool in the drying column for a little while
>but haven't got any consistant results yet. will have to set up an
>experiment with a known Alc/water ratio and vaporize it through just the
>drying column. If I can find the time to set it up!!
>
>Regards
>John
>
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Re: [biofuel]Hydrosorb

[anton and federica]

Hey, 
I got this back from the seller:
Dear Anton,
Thank you for writing to Gardener's Supply Company.
Hydrosource will return to crystal form when dried out. You can either
place it in a warm oven or allow it to dry on its own. If you have further
questions please let me know.
For more information see the product description on our web site.
http://www.gardeners.com/sell.asp?ProdGroupId=11763
Sincerely,
Valerie Ryan
Gardener's Supply Company
www.gardeners.com

>Tried some watersorb and metho
>with straight metho 30 gm and watersorb 30 gm
>poured off 22 gm metho - didnt have any way of checking if it had
>selectively absorbed the water.
>added another 30 gm water with the 22 gm of metho back in and it absorbed
>the whole lot
>am trying to dry it now in a solar drier and will let you know the result.
>Seems like it might be worth playing with anyway because it didn't lap up
>the alcohol straight away like it does with straight water. - unfortunatly I
>didnt have enough on hand to get my hydrometer to float.
>If I can get some more in town I will fill up the drying column on my still
>and see if it will absorb the water out of alcohol vapour or break down at
>that temp. - I've been using wool in the drying column for a little while
>but haven't got any consistant results yet. will have to set up an
>experiment with a known Alc/water ratio and vaporize it through just the
>drying column. If I can find the time to set it up!!
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Re: [biofuel] Re: UFO - was Re: Mad Cow Disease and WVO

[anton and federica]

leftover vegetable esters-love
renewable oil/alcohol diesel-load
diesel used for improving society-dufis
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[biofuel] sodium methoxide

[anton and federica]

can anyone tell me the "pot life" of mixed lye and methanol? assuming I keep
it dry, how long is the mixture stable? Iwould like to mix it up, and
trigger a valve to dump it into the oil vat when the oil reaches
temperature, thus eliminating a lot of hanging around watching oil heat
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Re: [biofuel] Re: sodium methoxide

[anton and federica]

hmmm... does that mean i can keep it in a container for 4 hours? that is all
i need in order to heat the oil up. It would be at room temperature.
thanks, anton
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>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] Re: sodium methoxide
>Date: Feb 4, 2001, 11:50 PM
>

>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "anton and federica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> can anyone tell me the "pot life" of mixed lye and methanol? 
>assuming I keep
>> it dry, how long is the mixture stable? Iwould like to mix it up, 
>and
>> trigger a valve to dump it into the oil vat when the oil reaches
>> temperature, thus eliminating a lot of hanging around watching oil 
>heat
>> anton
>It has to be kept in a fridge. If never opened you hahe the container 
>for two weeks, else CO2 starts to diffund in the container and to 
>neutralize the methoxide.
>
>aleks
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Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs

[anton and federica]

I think that i the future we will have many different sustems to generate,
store, and use energy. I also think that the niftiest, most efficient car is
still going to be stuck in traffic most of its life. We as a people need to
figue re out a way to communicate, cooperate, and work together to subvert
the power of money and government that makes it so hard to do things that
are good for people and not profits. 
 A factual and in depth discussion of s subject need not resort to name
calling. Different systems will work better in different situations. I am
making biodiesel, I will also be building an electric ar, and probably
installing a solar system to help charge it, and provide some elctricity to
my neighbors at peak times, even thoughit is not the best economic choice,
because for me these things are not that difficult, and seem to be something
I canb do that is good. I may even try a little cogen w/B-D , we'll see. In
the mean time, keep sendin' in the info, but be respectful, as all this bile
is making me uncomfortable.
anton


>My good People
>Since we seem a bit  worked up about EV's, I might as well through my
>two cents in. The problem I see about EV's is that they seem to stress an
>already tired infrastructure. California anyone?? I realize that there are
>regulation issues involved but doesn't it really boil down to, Nobody wants
>a powerplant or highline tower in their backyard!!
>Wouldn't it be sensible to stretch the infrastructure that is already in
>place by having small 60-100kw powerplants on farms running off renewable
>energy. I can just see the flurry of calculations coming now abaout how many
>this would take to make a significant difference.
>The winning answer is 1. One such installation will save my farm from
>inevitable finnacial ruin and provide power to  10-15 homes. Sorry,
>Biodiesel isn't the fuel source. But it will run my wood processing
>equipment.
>
>Scott Nikolai
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source

[anton and federica]

I have been making B-D for a year now, and I but meth. at $1.65/gal, lye at
$4 for 18 Ozs. So: 60 gals oil(free) 12 gals Meth.=$19.80+$8=$27.80 divided
into 60 gal product=46 cents.
anton 
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>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [biofuel] Re: Methanol Source
>Date: Feb 11, 2001, 10:12 AM
>

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Thanks, Dale.
>>
>>So I am talking to the wrong folks. Will report on results next week.
>>Was told that since most methanol in the US is produced with natural
>>gas that the cost has increased recently by $20 a 55 gal drum.
>>
>>Excluding labor, is the 50 to 70 cents range what it is costing you
>>to produce biod?
>>
>>Have searched the archives but didn't find any info on the cost of
>>production. Keith, do you have a link/source for the cost of
>>individuals to produce biod?
>
>No I don't. 50-70c is probably about average. Richard Scee posted 
>this recently:
>
>>i here all  the time about the high cost of biofuel, but after makeing a
>>little over 2000 gallons my cost is 43 cents a gallon
>
>I don't know what feedstock he uses.
>
>Keith Addison
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>>Thanks,
>>
>>JV
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Re: [biofuel] oil sellers

[anton and federica]

I am getting nice clean used oil from a company that fries up corn chips. if
you are in range of san frncisco, i will give you a barrel or two. I have
looked into it for someone else, and it ewill not be worth it to ship it any
distance.
anton
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>To: 
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] oil sellers
>Date: Feb 12, 2001, 7:17 PM
>

>If you want cheap oil that you can afford, you need to press your own oil 
>or use used oil, otherwise the price for new oil will cost very much more 
>than regular diesel in the U.S. If you are from outside the U.S., new oil 
>will be less than diesel.
>
>Greg
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Daniel 
>  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:14 PM
>  Subject: [biofuel] oil sellers
>
>
>  Hello all.  I am new to the list.
>
>  Are there any known sorces of vegi-oil?  Perhaps someone who would sell a 
>simgle 55 gallon drum..
>
>  It seams that clean oil would be a lot less trouble if it does not cost to 
> much..
>
>  Also has anyone come up with a continous home processor?
>
>  Im shure Ill have many questions later :)
>
>  Thanks,
>  daniel
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Re: [biofuel] oil sellers

[anton and federica]

I have been making B_D for a year now, with no problems, and no genius
chemist. It can swell hoses, but they are easy to rteplace with new
synthetic rubber hoses, and newer cars are warrantied for biodiesel.  You
should look at veggivan.org or look in the journey to forever archives, ther
is some great stuff in there.
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Re: [biofuel] Fw: INVITATION TO ENTER A VEHICLE

[anton and federica]

I want to enter my '82 vw rabbit; 40 MPG, renewable, recycled power source,
cost of vehicle: $75 vehicle performance: no worse than any other diesel
rabbit. Show those big dollar technogeeks what for.
Howevewr, the regisrtation fee is more than the car is worth, so I may not
bother.
anton
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>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"biodiesel-discussion - topica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Energy - WebConX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Biofuel -
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Biofuel - Egroups" ,
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>Subject: [biofuel] Fw: INVITATION TO ENTER A VEHICLE
>Date: Feb 19, 2001, 8:32 AM
>

>"NEW PRIZE - BIODIESEL!
>The National Biodiesel Board is offering a $1,000 prize for the top placing
>vehicle in the NESEA Tour using Biodiesel. The prize is to encourage
>entrants to use biodiesel, and to raise awareness about biodiesel as a
>domestic fuel.
>"We're excited to be part of such a high-profile educational program" said
>Jenna Higgins, director of communications for the National Biodiesel board.
>"Biodiesel is a clean-burning fuel that can be made from any fat or oil,
>such as soybean oil. It is ten times less toxic than table salt and as
>biogradable as sugar. It can be used by any traditional or hybrid-electric
>vehicle that uses diesel fuel.""
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Energy - WebConX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: 
>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:18 AM
>Subject: INVITATION TO ENTER A VEHICLE
>
>
>>   Transportation
>>
>> Entering the 2000 NESEA Tour
>>
>> INVITATION TO ENTER A VEHICLE
>>
>> NESEA invites everyone with a practical vehicle that fits into one of the
>> categories listed below, that wishes to test their mettle and showcase
>their
>> vehicle to the general public, decision makers and the press, to enter the
>> event. NESEA accepts only 50 vehicles, based on a first-come first-serve
>> basis that meets our published criteria. Additional entries are invited to
>> participate in the Demonstration category, offering static displays and
>> test-drives in production and pre-production prototype vehicles. So don't
>> delay! Fill in the pre-registation and registration forms today. (Early
>> registration discount available until January 1. Final registration
>deadline
>> March 7, 2001)
>>
>> NEW VEHCILE CATEGORIES
>> A new system of "categorizing" vehicles will help NESEA honor the
>> accomplishments of the many types of new and exciting clean and efficient
>> vehicle technologies and fuels.
>> There are four vehicle categories: Batter-electric Vehicles (BEV), Hybrid
>> and Renewably fueled vehicles (HEV, ICE or fuel cell), Solar, and Hydrogen
>> Fueled Vehicles. Each category will be divieded into three classes:
>> Light-duty, heavy-duty and One-Person. And each category and class will be
>> divided into two divisions: Production and Prototype (student and
>> one-of-a-kind vehicles.) An additional category, the Demonstration
>category,
>> is for vehicles being showcased, but not competing.
>>
>> SCORING AND PRIZES
>> Teams will earn points for daily reliability, long distance reliability
>> (range), acceleration, handling, hill climbing, efficiency (fuel economy),
>> and Global Warming Potential.
>> "Best in Category" prizes will be awarded as appropriate. For example, in
>> the Battery-Electric category, there will be a prize for the best vehicle
>> using lead acid batteries, and the best vehicle using advanced batteries.
>> Additional prizes will be awarded for best acceleration, best handling,
>best
>> hill climbing ability, best BEV range, most efficient vehicle (wh/mile and
>> wh/mile divided by "vehicle capacity."), Greenest Vehicles, Most Consumer
>> Acceptable Production vehicle as judged by the media.
>>
>> GE OFFERS FREE METERS
>> General Electric (GE) is offering five AC meters (#744x21 or
>> #744X41) to student teams entering the NESEA American Tour de Sol on a
>> first-come first-serve basis. They are also offering a special discount on
>> these meters to all entrants.
>> GE is offering these meters to encourage vehicle efficiency and new
>student
>> entries. Efficiency and Green vehicle prizes will based on data collected
>by
>> these meters, which are required for all teams.
>> To qualify for a free meter, you must fully register for the NESEA Tour
>and
>> indicate your interest in a free meter. To order a GE meter see the NESEA
>> Tour Rules book or contact Hialeah Meter Company at 800-521-9925.
>>
>> NEW PRIZE - BIODIESEL!
>> The National Biodiesel Board is offering a $1,000 prize for the top
>placing
>> vehicle in the NESEA Tour using Biodiesel. The prize is to encourage
>> entrants to use biodiesel, and to raise awareness about biodiesel as a
>> domestic fuel.
>> "We're excited to be part of such a high-profile educational program" said
>> Jenna Higgins, director of comm

Re: [biofuel] Bryan Fullerton

[anton and federica]

as a mechanic, I would have to say that the amperage draw is dictated by the
glow plug itself, not the computer or relay. The relay turns the plugs on
for a certain amount of time depending on the temp sensor. You have a
problem with the relay, which has the timer, or the temp sensor. larger
batteries will make no difference, although higher voltage will, IE; 12V
plugs in a 24V system. 
also, many cars and trucks went to progrtessively faster glow plugs on newer
models, so it is essentiel to get the right glow plugs to go  woth rthe
relay that is in your car, which hopefully is the correct one for the year
and model of you car.
good luck,
anton
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>constant pressure rail system have your computors and relays checked.Most 
>glow plugs last years,have your electrical system checked also,there may be 
>to much amperage to them. The switch may be defective,they may be on to 
>long.Outside of the prechamber the filiments usually burn up. stephen
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Re: [biofuel] Bryan Fullerton

[anton and federica]

the engine thermostat shouldn't have any effect on the glow plugs because
they should only come on when the engine is cold. Once one plug starts to
go, all the other ones will go, because they are all about the same age, and
also it is possible, especially with 8 of them, the battery will give more
power to 2 than 8, although the large batteries are supposed to avoid that.
anton

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Re: [biofuel] Bryan Fullerton

[anton and federica]

oh, also,  starting on less than the full # of plugs can be hard on the
engine, as it fires a few cylinders for a while until the others fire up,
too. In the 5.7l gm diesels it would break the cranks, although that is what
those engines deserved...
anton
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>From: "anton and federica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bryan Fullerton
>Date: Mar 8, 2001, 9:34 PM
>

>the engine thermostat shouldn't have any effect on the glow plugs because
>they should only come on when the engine is cold. Once one plug starts to
>go, all the other ones will go, because they are all about the same age, and
>also it is possible, especially with 8 of them, the battery will give more
>power to 2 than 8, although the large batteries are supposed to avoid that.
>anton
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Re: [biofuel] Bryan Fullerton

[anton and federica]

yes, I agree. if your enginer takes extra special care to keep it from
breaking the crank , it's not strong enough. Same thing with clothes that
need dry cleaning 
as far as the warmup thing goes, it could make you run the plugs more often
than you need, but shouldn't let you run them longer than they can stand
without burning up.
what do you know about the 6.5L turbo motors?
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Re: [biofuel] EV reason

[anton and federica]

model airplane engines are available that can be retrofitted with a kit to
run on dino and, presumeably biodiesel. I saw a website that alked about
using biodiesel, gaining efficiency and burning cleaner, but I don't know
where it is now. I know that most hobby hobby stores sell the engnes and
kits of which i speak. I don't know if they would be big enough,, but it
might be worth researching. keep in ind that the engines to which I refer
are the glow plug engines, which are technically diesels, although they draw
fuel through a carburetor adn are two stroke engines.n some of them make up
to 3 horsepower, though possibly low efficiency.
anton
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>From: "Travis Raybold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Mar 27, 2001, 2:57 PM
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>efficiency should be a huge concern too... im trying to develop an
>alternative vehicle for myself, and im finding that the source of energy
>(electric, biodiesel, etc.) is much less important than the size of the
>vehicle and its efficiency. if i can make a 150 pound fully enclosed
>vehicle, and get 500 mpg with it, that efficiency is more important to me
>than whether it is powered off of an ICE or electric batteries.
>
>as it turns out, i dont think there are any ICEs available in the size range
>that im looking (~25-35cc) for that burn clean enough, so ill probably go
>electric, but that means adding 100 pounds of batteries, so a tiny, clean
>burning ethanol or biodiesel engine would look pretty good. anyone converted
>a 4 stroke weedwhacker (ryobi?) engine to ethanol or anything? a 50cc
>moped/motorcycle engine might work too, and may have tighter emission
>controls. ideas?
>
> --travis
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>I think what Todd is trying to say is -
>Running EVs on electricity from renewable resources is good.
>Running EVs from fossil or nuclear resources is bad.
>But so eloquently!
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