Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli?
From the letsrun message board. I assume that this guy must be talking about t-and-f and not TFN unless malmo took up gh's offer to pen a screed. I won't find out until I get my issue a couple of months from now. Here is the topic of the thread btw: http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/general/features/2003/jennings_gabe.html Regards, Martin vote spike RE: Track and Field News scoop on Gabe 3/11/2003 3:55PM - in reply to Guest Reply | Return to Index | Report Post I got the mag on Friday, great reading as always. You should get a TFN subscription, even though Malmo and GH enjoy going on tirades against one another. ghill wrote: OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! gh
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I would love to see the days return when you have 15,000 turn out for a UCLA vs. USC dual meet. The last few years, the turnouts have increased significantly at the dual between these two. This is the kind of interest we need to help revive TF in the USA. I was personally saddened to see the Bruin's dominant streak broken, but knew it could not last forever, just as the Trojan streak of years ago came to a sudden end. Gerald Woodward UCLA Lifetime Alum
Re: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of Milli Vanilli?
Randy Treadway wrote: You mean the disappearance of meaningful collegiate competition and the rise of day-long time trial meets that no one wants to watch? I assume you mean NCAA meets chasing meaningless provisional qualifiers. Give me the best individuals of the world in Zurich chasing world records, with rabbits in every race (something that some people deride as 'time trials') and I'll tune in at 3am every time. As far as 'meaningful collegiate competition', I have to admit that I no longer care less whether Florida State beats Florida or UCLA beats USC. It's totally an individual sport for me, and team scores are something that is superimposed on the top of it for nothing more than provincial bragging rights. That's just the way it is, and I'm not really dissatisfied with it that way. RT Randy-You and I will be track fans no matter how boring the sport becomes to the average sports fan. And that average Joe is the dude we're trying to court. Who goes to college meets? Friends, family and super nuts like you and me. We need the average college sports fan, say a fan of Cal or Stanford, to want to go to the Cal-Stanford dual even if he's not necessarily a big track fan. At least Cal and Stanford have one dual on their schedule! Not to pick on just these schools, but what about Arkansas, LSU, Alabama, UTEP, etc. Who wants to go to their home meets? I receive dozens of collegiate press releases each week. These are supposed to make their way into local papers. Do you know what the headlines are? 4 Wildcats post provisional qualifiers. Bulldogs show well at home meet. Tracksters qualify 3 more. Who gets excited about that? Look, we're never going to get back to the days of 15,000 people at the UCLA-USC dual meet, but we've got to do something to make track interesting once again to the average fan. Regionals is at least a step in the right direction. Harping on drug use and blaming them for the decline ain't helping either. sideshow
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Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't heard anything about IAAF tour status. Between this meet, the big Stanford distance show, and Portland and Eugene- what is the IAAF recognizing this year, and at what level? This information is on the IAAF website: http://www.iaaf.org/results/calendar/year=2003/event/event=WOM/index.htmx
Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli?
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:23:15 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only issues if they are YOUR issues. Perhaps you believe that it's a discussion only if you are comfortable with the subject and you call it yelling if you are not? I believe there are more, rather than fewer, of us who'd like to see some backbone from the Bible of the Sport. It's your slogan, not ours. malmo-Two-ms: Stentorian? NOT! OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! gh
Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof MilliVanilli?
Gerry wrote: OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! Hmm - now what NAME will TFN run as a byline? Malmo, or his mild-mannered alter-ego? This could be a fun addition the mag though - the monthly rant. One month on drugs ... the next month on how racewalkers are all cheaters ... the next month on Jon Entine ... the next month on the ineptness of USATF's media policy... After all - what's a Bible, without some wild-eyed prophets screaming from the wilderness? Phil
Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
Give the fans what we really want-a monthly column by Malmo. With all due respect to the author of the editors column, I would venture a guess that it would increase circulation exponentially. I can see it now. People lined up at their mailboxes screaming Mal-mo, Mal-mo, Mal-mo. Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track Field Muskingum College New Concord, Ohio http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
Doesn't work like that, sadly. Individual writers rarely increase circulation by much. Trust me, I know. My magazine, Athletics Today, had the best writers on the sport in the UK (OK so we also had a column by Linford Christie, maybe that cancelled it out) but couldn't overtake Athletics Weekly's circulation. My advice to Garry Hill (which I am sure he doesn't need) is to give Malmo one 500 word piece and watch the deafening silence. Randall Northam On Thursday, Feb 13, 2003, at 15:54 Europe/London, Keith Whitman wrote: Give the fans what we really want-a monthly column by Malmo. With all due respect to the author of the editors column, I would venture a guess that it would increase circulation exponentially. I can see it now. People lined up at their mailboxes screaming Mal-mo, Mal-mo, Mal-mo.
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This could be a fun addition the mag though - the monthly rant. One month on drugs ... the next month on how racewalkers are all cheaters ... the next month on Jon Entine ... the next month on the ineptness of USATF's media policy... Darn it, I see I'm too late to call dibs on the new mascot. -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://austinchronicle.com
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Keith Whitman wrote: Give the fans what we really want-a monthly column by Malmo. What we really want are some *women* in those new monthly fold-outs! bob
Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
Randall, sorry I didn't include closed captioning for the sarcastically impaired (eventhough I think the column could be a great thing, but definitely not Malmo's style or venue). Good advice to TnF News though. At 04:28 PM 2/13/03 +, Randall Northam wrote: Doesn't work like that, sadly. Individual writers rarely increase circulation by much. Trust me, I know. My magazine, Athletics Today, had the best writers on the sport in the UK (OK so we also had a column by Linford Christie, maybe that cancelled it out) but couldn't overtake Athletics Weekly's circulation. My advice to Garry Hill (which I am sure he doesn't need) is to give Malmo one 500 word piece and watch the deafening silence. Randall Northam On Thursday, Feb 13, 2003, at 15:54 Europe/London, Keith Whitman wrote: Give the fans what we really want-a monthly column by Malmo. With all due respect to the author of the editors column, I would venture a guess that it would increase circulation exponentially. I can see it now. People lined up at their mailboxes screaming Mal-mo, Mal-mo, Mal-mo. Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track Field Muskingum College New Concord, Ohio http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of Milli Vanilli?
Malmo wrote: That's the problem with Track and Field News. You guys incapable of identifying and discussing the REAL issue that is destroying the sport. The REAL issue destroying the sport? You mean the disappearance of meaningful collegiate competition and the rise of day-long time trial meets that no one wants to watch? You mean the lack of coverage of our sport by the media (and don't say it's because of drugs. The dropoff was WAY before '88)? Of course drugs hurt our sport. But if you think they're the number one reason track field is hurting, I think you're WAY off base. There was a thread on that other discussion list where someone insisted that Ryan Shay was on drugs because he's so muscular. Christ, we have to defend 2:14 marathoners against accusations of drug use now? If our best guys are only running 2:14 and are on steroids, I'd suggest they start on the EPO as well (tongue-in-cheek of course)!!! Imagine if Europeans start running consistently as fast as they did in the '70's and early 80's. If white Frenchmen, Belgians, Finns and Swedes ever run 13:15, 27:30, 8:10 times imagine how we'll cry DOPE! then. sideshow
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Hello McFly? Hello? You don't really consider what's posted on Letsrun to be meaningful or reliable do you? Three quarters of the posts there are the malicious work of the same half-dozen teenagers who've been banned from Dyestat. A while back, there were two attorneys from two prestigous Pennsylvania law firms who were doing the same thing - get this - while on the company dime! 3200, Webb or Ritz? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a thread on that other discussion list where someone insisted that Ryan Shay was on drugs because he's so muscular. Christ, we have to defend 2:14 marathoners against accusations of drug use now? If our best guys are only running 2:14 and are on steroids, I'd suggest they start on the EPO as well (tongue-in-cheek of course)!!!
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
When there's something wrong with my plumbing, a plumber is the best person for the job. If my car breaks down, I let a mechanic fix it. If there's reporting to be done, then a journalist is the best person for the job. The problem with our sport is that the plumbers and mechanics don't want to get dirty and work. Moreover, they're denying that blocked sewers and broken alternators are even a problem in the first place. The mechanics at TNFN are saying that the REAL problem is not in the engines, it's the lack of marketing and color schemes. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? Doesn't work like that, sadly. Individual writers rarely increase circulation by much. Trust me, I know. My magazine, Athletics Today, had the best writers on the sport in the UK (OK so we also had a column by Linford Christie, maybe that cancelled it out) but couldn't overtake Athletics Weekly's circulation. My advice to Garry Hill (which I am sure he doesn't need) is to give Malmo one 500 word piece and watch the deafening silence. Randall Northam On Thursday, Feb 13, 2003, at 15:54 Europe/London, Keith Whitman wrote: Give the fans what we really want-a monthly column by Malmo. With all due respect to the author of the editors column, I would venture a guess that it would increase circulation exponentially. I can see it now. People lined up at their mailboxes screaming Mal-mo, Mal-mo, Mal-mo.
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
My best number crunchers tell me that circulation would only increase linearly. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Whitman Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:54 AM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? Give the fans what we really want-a monthly column by Malmo. With all due respect to the author of the editors column, I would venture a guess that it would increase circulation exponentially. I can see it now. People lined up at their mailboxes screaming Mal-mo, Mal-mo, Mal-mo. Keith Whitman Head Coach Cross Country/Track Field Muskingum College New Concord, Ohio http://www.muskingum.edu (740) 826-8018-Office (330) 677-4631-Home (740) 826-8300-Fax Galations 2:20
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli?
I can't write. Besides I've never been much into verbiage. Pith is grand. If you can say it in 50 words, then why waste 450 more on a sciolistic smokescreen? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:16 AM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:23:15 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only issues if they are YOUR issues. Perhaps you believe that it's a discussion only if you are comfortable with the subject and you call it yelling if you are not? I believe there are more, rather than fewer, of us who'd like to see some backbone from the Bible of the Sport. It's your slogan, not ours. malmo-Two-ms: Stentorian? NOT! OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! gh
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OK, 50 it is. What a win-win situation: you don't have to wax sciolistic and we only have to pay you a tenth the price! From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:00:27 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? I can't write. Besides I've never been much into verbiage. Pith is grand. If you can say it in 50 words, then why waste 450 more on a sciolistic smokescreen? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:16 AM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:23:15 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only issues if they are YOUR issues. Perhaps you believe that it's a discussion only if you are comfortable with the subject and you call it yelling if you are not? I believe there are more, rather than fewer, of us who'd like to see some backbone from the Bible of the Sport. It's your slogan, not ours. malmo-Two-ms: Stentorian? NOT! OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! gh
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cold beer?! Hell, you haven't even worked your way up to a glass of warm spit yet. There are words and then there's your speciality; tossing bombs that only serve to stir the shit, not to enlighten or improve the human condition. If you're so eager for the truth allow me to suggest that as a world-class athlete who was a member of a top-flight NCAA program and an elite national club--at a time when the drug-taking was far more open than now--you have far more first-hand experience with teammates who were dosing up than the staff of TFN ever will. As this rabid crusader, you're therefore beholden to go public with the facts. Names, places, dates, substances. The board eagerly awaits your first post along these lines. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:28:12 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkofMilli Vanilli? I do it for free here. You can owe me a cold beer. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:11 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkofMilli Vanilli? OK, 50 it is. What a win-win situation: you don't have to wax sciolistic and we only have to pay you a tenth the price! From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:00:27 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? I can't write. Besides I've never been much into verbiage. Pith is grand. If you can say it in 50 words, then why waste 450 more on a sciolistic smokescreen? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:16 AM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:23:15 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only issues if they are YOUR issues. Perhaps you believe that it's a discussion only if you are comfortable with the subject and you call it yelling if you are not? I believe there are more, rather than fewer, of us who'd like to see some backbone from the Bible of the Sport. It's your slogan, not ours. malmo-Two-ms: Stentorian? NOT! OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! gh
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what doyouthinkofMilli Vanilli?
Actually I have given you all the facts that I have during numerous on and off list exchanges. And if I'm right, there have been a be a few emails from you, or your colleagues with inside information that was off list. Since I respect the confidentiality of my sources, I delete those emails. If I find some, are you suggesting that it's now it's OK to share some of those emails now? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:31 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what doyouthinkofMilli Vanilli? cold beer?! Hell, you haven't even worked your way up to a glass of warm spit yet. There are words and then there's your speciality; tossing bombs that only serve to stir the shit, not to enlighten or improve the human condition. If you're so eager for the truth allow me to suggest that as a world-class athlete who was a member of a top-flight NCAA program and an elite national club--at a time when the drug-taking was far more open than now--you have far more first-hand experience with teammates who were dosing up than the staff of TFN ever will. As this rabid crusader, you're therefore beholden to go public with the facts. Names, places, dates, substances. The board eagerly awaits your first post along these lines. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:28:12 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkofMilli Vanilli? I do it for free here. You can owe me a cold beer. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:11 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkofMilli Vanilli? OK, 50 it is. What a win-win situation: you don't have to wax sciolistic and we only have to pay you a tenth the price! From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:00:27 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? I can't write. Besides I've never been much into verbiage. Pith is grand. If you can say it in 50 words, then why waste 450 more on a sciolistic smokescreen? malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:16 AM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do youthinkof Milli Vanilli? From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:23:15 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only issues if they are YOUR issues. Perhaps you believe that it's a discussion only if you are comfortable with the subject and you call it yelling if you are not? I believe there are more, rather than fewer, of us who'd like to see some backbone from the Bible of the Sport. It's your slogan, not ours. malmo-Two-ms: Stentorian? NOT! OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference. Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel where you apparently think it's truly needed. Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think TFN should have been saying all these years and--so long as it doesn't run the risk of involving us in a lawsuit--we'll print it in toto. Sha-zam! gh
t-and-f: can I come back now?
Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so we can go back to talking about real track field issues? To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left to post. gh
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:11:34 -0800, you wrote: Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so we can go back to talking about real track field issues? To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left to post. gh Okay, here's one- since NCAA HS stuff doesn't interest me all that much any more (thus this is a slow time of year). That big meet the first week of June in Carson (the site of the World Cup in- what- 2006?). I think I saw that Rich Perelman is directing it. Is Rich going to pursue something like GP II status, then go for an upgrade in future years? Although it's billed as an 'international invitational, I haven't heard anything about IAAF tour status. Between this meet, the big Stanford distance show, and Portland and Eugene- what is the IAAF recognizing this year, and at what level? RT
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Nope. As I said before, the UK press has been the toughest on Jones et al. We regard all the nandrolone cases as exceptional and we concluded a doping offense hadn't been committed, said UK Athletics' performance director Max Jones. We don't regard Linford Christie as a drugs cheat. LOL. Whatever...more at: http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,5978091%255E23218,00.html Regards, Martin ghill wrote: Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so we can go back to talking about real track field issues? To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left to post. gh
Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
unfortunately, as this list proves time after time after time, there is no such thing as discussion on this issue: like politics and religion, it's people yelling at each other, to no good end. Suggestion: start a publication called Track Drug News, see how many subscribers you get. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:35:58 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of Milli Vanilli? That's the problem with Track and Field News. You guys incapable of identifying and discussing the REAL issue that is destroying the sport. No doubt, if Garry-Two-Rs were a music journalist he'd condemn Milli Vanilli and their lip-synching. Why? Because it's FRAUD, that's why. Doping is Track and Field's equivalent to lip-synching. It's the doping that has an insidious effect on the sport, not the talk. I'm sure of it. malmo-Two-ms -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:12 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: can I come back now? Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so we can go back to talking about real track field issues? To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left to post. gh
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of Milli Vanilli?
That's the problem with Track and Field News. You guys incapable of identifying and discussing the REAL issue that is destroying the sport. No doubt, if Garry-Two-Rs were a music journalist he'd condemn Milli Vanilli and their lip-synching. Why? Because it's FRAUD, that's why. Doping is Track and Field's equivalent to lip-synching. It's the doping that has an insidious effect on the sport, not the talk. I'm sure of it. malmo-Two-ms -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:12 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: can I come back now? Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so we can go back to talking about real track field issues? To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left to post. gh
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From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's the doping that has an insidious effect on the sport, not the talk. I'm sure of it. That may be, but the drugs aren't going away no matter how tight we close our eyes. The talk (and perception), at least, we have a choice about. Dan = http://AccountBiller.com - MyCalendar, D-Man, ReSearch, etc. http://Run-Down.com - 10,000 Running Links, Fantasy TF @o Dan Kaplan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\/ ^- ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) _/ \ \/\ (503)370-9969 phone/fax / / __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli?
One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only issues if they are YOUR issues. Perhaps you believe that it's a discussion only if you are comfortable with the subject and you call it yelling if you are not? I believe there are more, rather than fewer, of us who'd like to see some backbone from the Bible of the Sport. It's your slogan, not ours. malmo-Two-ms: Stentorian? NOT! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:44 PM To: track list Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof Milli Vanilli? unfortunately, as this list proves time after time after time, there is no such thing as discussion on this issue: like politics and religion, it's people yelling at each other, to no good end. Suggestion: start a publication called Track Drug News, see how many subscribers you get. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:35:58 -0500 To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of Milli Vanilli? That's the problem with Track and Field News. You guys incapable of identifying and discussing the REAL issue that is destroying the sport. No doubt, if Garry-Two-Rs were a music journalist he'd condemn Milli Vanilli and their lip-synching. Why? Because it's FRAUD, that's why. Doping is Track and Field's equivalent to lip-synching. It's the doping that has an insidious effect on the sport, not the talk. I'm sure of it. malmo-Two-ms -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of ghill Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:12 PM To: track list Subject: t-and-f: can I come back now? Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so we can go back to talking about real track field issues? To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left to post. gh
