date:20160615

Exactly.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:42 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

>From what I heard, it sounds like everything is going to continue as usual.
I think that vfo buying out aisquaired was a good idea. Because maybe the
responsiveness of window-eyes could improve. 
Just trying to shed some positive light on this. 
Kenny Peyat5t jr. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
 wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, 
> Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with
Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they 
> can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along 
> with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting 
> events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to 
> replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a 
> PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader 
> NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home 
> PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind 
> population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. 
> And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. 
> The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and 
> there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. 
> I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
> built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money 
> on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The 
>> parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
>> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
>> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. 
>> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
>> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
> gins22
> %40comcast.net.

RE: David Wu interview

2016-06-15 Thread kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk

>From what I heard, it sounds like everything is going to continue as usual.
I think that vfo buying out aisquaired was a good idea. Because maybe the
responsiveness of window-eyes could improve. 
Just trying to shed some positive light on this. 
Kenny Peyat5t jr. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
 wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, 
> Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with
Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they 
> can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along 
> with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting 
> events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to 
> replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a 
> PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader 
> NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home 
> PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind 
> population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. 
> And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. 
> The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and 
> there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. 
> I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
> built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money 
> on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The 
>> parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
>> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
>> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. 
>> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
>> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
> gins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or

Re: David Wu interview

2016-06-15 Thread Andy Baracco via Talk

He reminded me of those interviews with the losing coach after a basketball 
game. What is he supposed to say?


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Me too. I've heard that before as well!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
 wrote:


But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities,
Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with

Narrator.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they
can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along
with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting
events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to
replacing because she is

doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a
PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader
NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home
PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind
population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring.
And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons.
The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and
there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products.
I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be
built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money
on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and

low vision solutions.

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:

I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The
parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.


No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.


The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.


I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all
the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.


There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have
WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief.
Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many
years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.


Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
exemplary service. May it continue!


Mickey Prahin


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit


http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
gins22
%40comcast.net.


For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit

RE: David Wu interview

2016-06-15 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Marc: thank you for making this available, and I believe it to be helpful, 
optimistic and informative.  I'm not a regular subscriber to FS casts, so glad 
I don't have to look for it.

For the critics, it stands to reason that a new Vice President of a new 
corporate group should be positive.

Soon after the interview, I did look at the VFO group's web site.  So far, all 
the companies from which it has been formed have retained their "brands" which 
someone else did point out.  My point of concern is that things do seem to be 
at something of a standstill.  Perhaps the entire industry is truly struggling, 
or maybe we will see new products perhaps even as close as Convention time.  
What is becoming clear to me is that people who have committed their lives to 
computer access for blind people have decided that small players cannot be 
ostriches in a fast paced, rapidly changing industry.

Good luck with the new company, and keep Window-Eyes alive.

Vaughan.



Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:50 p.m.
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu, 
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO: 
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk  
wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, 
> Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with 
> Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they 
> can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along 
> with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting 
> events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to 
> replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a 
> PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader 
> NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home 
> PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind 
> population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. 
> And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. 
> The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and 
> there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. 
> I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
> built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money 
> on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The 
>> parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
>> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
>> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. 
>> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
>> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
> gins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For

RE: Think Business

In 10 it's getting better. Not great, but better than it was. I'm using the
insider build.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dwayne McNutt via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Andy Baracco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Think Business

If narrator does take over eventually, I hope it is a lot better than it is
now because it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dwaynemcnutt=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do
what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with
consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My
wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is
doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC,
and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is
no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs
are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing
older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an
alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen
reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to
support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen
reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies
will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
low vision solutions.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent 
> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>
>
> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>
>
> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>
>
> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>
>
> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief.
> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>
>
> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
> exemplary service. May it continue!
>
>
> Mickey Prahin
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
>
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22
%40comcast.net.
>
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r
r.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dwaynemcnutt%4
0outlook.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented

creating a folder

2016-06-15 Thread Don S via Talk

I create a folder in windows 10 as below

 

Press the by pass key, insert b

 

Then do control and the lettler n for norma

Don

 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread Dwayne McNutt via Talk

If narrator does take over eventually, I hope it is a lot better than it is now 
because it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dwaynemcnutt=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and tablets 
are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do what they 
need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with consumption of content 
like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My wife has an aging PC that 
she has not got around to replacing because she is doing everything with her 
iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as opposed to a PC. Many blind 
persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, and today's generation of note 
takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is no 
longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs are 
still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing older, 
and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an alternative 
solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen reading software is 
decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to support several competing 
products. I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money on 
hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and low vision solutions.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent 
> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>
>
> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>
>
> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>
>
> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>
>
> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. 
> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>
>
> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
> exemplary service. May it continue!
>
>
> Mickey Prahin
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net.
>
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.rr.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dwaynemcnutt%40outlook.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: David Wu interview

2016-06-15 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

Why don't you actually listen to the pod cast?  And no you shouldn't panic.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
 wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, 
> Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work 
> with
Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they 
> can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along 
> with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting 
> events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to 
> replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a 
> PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader 
> NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home 
> PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind 
> population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring.
> And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. 
> The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and 
> there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products.
> I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
> built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money 
> on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The 
>> parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
>> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
>> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief.
>> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
>> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
> gins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author
>
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
>

RE: David Wu interview

Me too. I've heard that before as well!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:39 PM
To: 'Marc Solomon'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
 wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, 
> Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with
Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they 
> can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along 
> with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting 
> events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to 
> replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a 
> PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader 
> NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home 
> PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind 
> population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. 
> And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. 
> The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and 
> there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. 
> I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
> built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money 
> on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The 
>> parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
>> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
>> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. 
>> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
>> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
> gins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author
>
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40s
>

RE: David Wu interview

Oh goodness. Everything's good, it's all great, and no one should panic.
I've heard that before...

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: David Wu interview

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu,
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO:
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk
 wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, 
> Dancing dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with
Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they 
> can do what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along 
> with consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting 
> events. My wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to 
> replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a 
> PC, and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader 
> NVDA is no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home 
> PC users. PCs are still essential in the workplace, but the blind 
> population is growing older, and many who have worked are retiring. 
> And Apple continues to be an alternative solution for blind persons. 
> The demand for PC based screen reading software is decreasing, and 
> there just isn't enough demand to support several competing products. 
> I think that eventually advanced screen reader capability will be 
> built into Windows narrator and the AT companies will make their money 
> on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The 
>> parent compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all 
>> the times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have 
>> WE for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. 
>> Granted, we think they're there to please us, and they have, for many 
>> years. But I suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhig
> gins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author
>
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40s
> ocal.r
> r.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 
>
>

Re: Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread net bat via Talk


sorry, i am a geek
i use a desktop because i want the ability to build my own to my specifications 
that will do what i want it to do. with the parts i want in the machine.

with plenty of card slots for any card upgrades i may want to install.
which leaves out all tablets and laptops.
not the cheap manufacturers computers that can not be upgraded or changed. 
most only have 2 or less card slots, no place to add another internal drive. 
propriatary designs that only the manufacture  has.

i want to have control over where files and programs are being stored.
my first computer way back in 1979 the atari 800 cost $1000 with only 8 k of 
memory and a digital tape drive for storage.
i wanted to make a longer external cable for there external hard drive. but 
they would not sell me there propriatary connector that only attari made. the 
only way they would sell me the connector is if i sent the computer into a 
repair facility. then they would make a cable for me for about $200 service 
charge.
i can not  do anything with the i phone or i pad unless it is approved by 
apple. its apple only or go suck an egg.
no way can i say that voice over is any way near the capability of window eyes 
or  jaws or nvda.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:19 PM
To: Andy Baracco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

Yes, you make some good points.

I am amazed at how many use a Smart Phone of some kind instead of a PC.

Guess when you get down to it, most of the reasons why a blind person
would use a computer is almost covered by today's Smart Phone.

I took a week long class at my local State Agency for the blind, and I
was surprised that everyone, and I do mean, everyone, had an I-Phone or
something like it.  And most everyone seemed to be checking it every
five minutes or less!Even my Instructor was grabbing his phone every
time it Beeped, even if he was attempting to instruct me about the
subject of the class.

I felt this was some what Rude, but I also thought him coming to class
late and then leaving early was also rude.  especially since I was there
to learn as much as I could.  I was there on time, so why wasn't he?

But, this is the over all general Operating Procedure for this Agency.
So I guess I should have been glad to get what I received.

but, the answer for everything seemed to be an I-Phone.  Something I
have yet to purchase, mainly because Grumpy Dave has enough to be Grumpy
about.  And I can not think of any reason to justify the cost, or the
monthly cost of the Plan needed to run the thing.

I was impressed at what these I-phones can do, but when I thought about
it, I didn't need what they offered.  At least not yet.

I did like the ability to know your location, and even what stores are
near by.  I thought that was very handy.  But handy enough to pay the
cost of everything to get this feature?  Not really.

So, I am making do with what I already own etc.

I am also surprised at how few blind people even use a computer.  I had
a chance to see how many people have downloaded NVDA, and this was World
Wide numbers, and I was thinking the number should have been much much
higher.

No wonder the money seems to be in the equipment for Low Vision people
rather than those who are so blind they need a Screen Reader.


We are indeed a small minority.

Grumpy Dave



--
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread Paulette Vickery via Talk

Hi Andy,

Would you please send me your email address? I would like to write you off
list, but I can't get your email address from this message. Thanks.

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is

doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and

low vision solutions.

Andy

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>
>
> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>
>
> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>
>
> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
> times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>
>
> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
> for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
> think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
> suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>
>
> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
> exemplary service. May it continue!
>
>
> Mickey Prahin
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
>
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22
%40comcast.net.
>
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r
r.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/paulette%40evi
ckery.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Completely off topic, RE: What keyboard should I get?

2016-06-15 Thread Paulette Vickery via Talk

I agree. Tom has a good idea. From what people have said, I guess that it
doesn't matter if you get an Apple keyboard or not. But the best way to
really know is to go kick a few keyboards. Smile.

Paulette 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Veronica Smith via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:05 PM
To: 'Dennis Long'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Completely off topic, RE: What keyboard should I get?

Paulette, I have been wondering the same thing.  I guess, the best
thing for us is to check them out.  I'm thinking they are all pretty
reasonable in what they do.  I think blue tooth is best, really don't want
another cord getting in the way.
Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:21 PM
To: 'Paulette Vickery'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: What keyboard should I get?

This is not on topic for this list.  There are several I phone lists for the
blind.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: What keyboard should I get?

Hi all,

 

I sent this question to another list and got no response. So I thought I
would ask all of you.

I have an iPhone which is a 5 S. What type of apple keyboard should I get to
go with it or a 6. I am considering upgrading. I looked at Apple keyboards
on Amazon and saw a great many to choose from. So, which one should I
purchase. Thanks for your help.

 

Paulette

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40
gmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/paulette%40evi
ckery.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Think Business

Hi Dave. I defenatly know what you mean. NVDA  is by and large becoming very
popular. I myself use NVDA, JAWS and Window-Eyes to get things done. As for
people with low vision getting equipment, that is indeed what seems to be
the focus on these days.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:19 PM
To: Andy Baracco; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

Yes, you make some good points.  

I am amazed at how many use a Smart Phone of some kind instead of a PC.  

Guess when you get down to it, most of the reasons why a blind person
would use a computer is almost covered by today's Smart Phone.

I took a week long class at my local State Agency for the blind, and I
was surprised that everyone, and I do mean, everyone, had an I-Phone or
something like it.  And most everyone seemed to be checking it every
five minutes or less!Even my Instructor was grabbing his phone every
time it Beeped, even if he was attempting to instruct me about the
subject of the class.  

I felt this was some what Rude, but I also thought him coming to class
late and then leaving early was also rude.  especially since I was there
to learn as much as I could.  I was there on time, so why wasn't he?  

But, this is the over all general Operating Procedure for this Agency. 
So I guess I should have been glad to get what Ireceived.  

but, the answer for everything seemed to be an I-Phone.  Something I
have yet to purchase, mainly because Grumpy Dave has enough to be Grumpy
about.  And I can not think of any reason to justify the cost, or the
monthly cost of the Plan needed to run the thing.  

I was impressed at what these I-phones can do, but when I thought about
it, I didn't need what they offered.  At least not yet.  

I did like the ability to know your location, and even what stores are
near by.  I thought that was very handy.  But handy enough to pay the
cost of everything to get this feature?  Not really.  

So, I am making do with what I already own etc.

I am also surprised at how few blind people even use a computer.  I had
a chance to see how many people have downloaded NVDA, and this was World
Wide numbers, and I was thinking the number should have been much much
higher.  

No wonder the money seems to be in the equipment for Low Vision people
rather than those who are so blind they need a Screen Reader.  

We are indeed a small minority.

Grumpy Dave

-- 
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca
.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread Dave via Talk

Yes, you make some good points.  

I am amazed at how many use a Smart Phone of some kind instead of a PC.  

Guess when you get down to it, most of the reasons why a blind person
would use a computer is almost covered by today's Smart Phone.

I took a week long class at my local State Agency for the blind, and I
was surprised that everyone, and I do mean, everyone, had an I-Phone or
something like it.  And most everyone seemed to be checking it every
five minutes or less!Even my Instructor was grabbing his phone every
time it Beeped, even if he was attempting to instruct me about the
subject of the class.  

I felt this was some what Rude, but I also thought him coming to class
late and then leaving early was also rude.  especially since I was there
to learn as much as I could.  I was there on time, so why wasn't he?  

But, this is the over all general Operating Procedure for this Agency. 
So I guess I should have been glad to get what Ireceived.  

but, the answer for everything seemed to be an I-Phone.  Something I
have yet to purchase, mainly because Grumpy Dave has enough to be Grumpy
about.  And I can not think of any reason to justify the cost, or the
monthly cost of the Plan needed to run the thing.  

I was impressed at what these I-phones can do, but when I thought about
it, I didn't need what they offered.  At least not yet.  

I did like the ability to know your location, and even what stores are
near by.  I thought that was very handy.  But handy enough to pay the
cost of everything to get this feature?  Not really.  

So, I am making do with what I already own etc.

I am also surprised at how few blind people even use a computer.  I had
a chance to see how many people have downloaded NVDA, and this was World
Wide numbers, and I was thinking the number should have been much much
higher.  

No wonder the money seems to be in the equipment for Low Vision people
rather than those who are so blind they need a Screen Reader.  


We are indeed a small minority.

Grumpy Dave



-- 
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

David Wu interview

2016-06-15 Thread Marc Solomon via Talk

For those interested, here is a link to a recent interview with David Wu, 
former Ai Squared CEO/VP of Software Business at VFO: 
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast127-David_Wu.mp3

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com


On June 15, 2016 8:25:07 PM Sky Mundell via Talk  
wrote:

> But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, Dancing
> dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with Narrator.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
> tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
> what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
> consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
> wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is
>
> doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
> opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
> and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
> And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
> no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
> are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
> older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
> alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
> reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
> support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
> reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
> will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and
>
> low vision solutions.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Larry Higgins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Think Business
>
> AMEN!
>
> On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
>> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
>> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
>> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>>
>>
>> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
>> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>>
>>
>> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
>> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>>
>>
>> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
>> times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>>
>>
>> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
>> for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
>> think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
>> suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>>
>>
>> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
>> exemplary service. May it continue!
>>
>>
>> Mickey Prahin
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>>
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22
> %40comcast.net.
>>
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
>
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r
> r.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
> I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca
> .
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
>

RE: Think Business

But I bet if or when Narrator does have scripting kapabilities, Dancing
dots, and or Hartgen consultancy could make the scripts work with Narrator.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is

doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and

low vision solutions.

Andy

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>
>
> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>
>
> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>
>
> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
> times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>
>
> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
> for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
> think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
> suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>
>
> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
> exemplary service. May it continue!
>
>
> Mickey Prahin
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
>
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22
%40comcast.net.
>
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r
r.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca
.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Think Business

Certainly it is decreaseing. However, There are still those out there who
write scripts for JAWS, mainly Dancing dots, and Hartgen consultancy who
have not done much with Window-Eyes, or even NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Andy Baracco via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:14 PM
To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is

doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and

low vision solutions.

Andy

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:
> I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
> the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
> compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
>
>
> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
> prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
>
>
> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
> caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
>
>
> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
> times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
>
>
> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
> for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
> think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
> suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.
>
>
> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
> exemplary service. May it continue!
>
>
> Mickey Prahin
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
>
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22
%40comcast.net.
>
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.r
r.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca
.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at

Re: Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread Andy Baracco via Talk

There are larger forces at work here. For one thing, smart phones and 
tablets are replacing computers for many people. Many find that they can do 
what they need to do with their smart phone or tablet, along with 
consumption of content like music, videos, games, and sporting events. My 
wife has an aging PC that she has not got around to replacing because she is 
doing everything with her iPhone, and is considering buying an iPad as 
opposed to a PC. Many blind persons prefer a dedicated note taker to a PC, 
and today's generation of note takers are not so dedicated anymore.
And as for those blind persons who use PCs, the free screen reader NVDA is 
no longer a curiosity but is a viable solution for many home PC users. PCs 
are still essential in the workplace, but the blind population is growing 
older, and many who have worked are retiring. And Apple continues to be an 
alternative solution for blind persons. The demand for PC based screen 
reading software is decreasing, and there just isn't enough demand to 
support several competing products. I think that eventually advanced screen 
reader capability will be built into Windows narrator and the AT companies 
will make their money on hardware such as note takers, braille displays, and 
low vision solutions.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: Mickey ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Think Business

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:

I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.


No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.


The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.


I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.


There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.


Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
exemplary service. May it continue!


Mickey Prahin


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net.

For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wq6r%40socal.rr.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread Larry Higgins via Talk

AMEN!

On 6/15/2016 1:29 PM, Mickey via Talk wrote:

I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if
the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent
compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.

No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their
prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.

The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated,
caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.

I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the
times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.

There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE
for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we
think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I
suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.

Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for
exemplary service. May it continue!

Mickey Prahin

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net.

For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Menus

2016-06-15 Thread Loy via Talk

Open the WE control panel, under apps, diagnosis, then repair Win 10 display
driver.
- Original Message -
From: Naomi Knudsen via Talk
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Menus

How do I repair the windows 10 display driver?

Blessings,
Naomi in Michigan
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com
] On Behalf
Of Naomi Knudsen via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:27 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Menus

I am using Office 2010, Windows10 and WE 9.4.

With Windows7 in a Word document, I could press the alt key then tab across
to ?font" and "font size?. From either of those tabs, I could arrow up and down
to choose a font or a font size.

Now, after upgrading to Windows10 and WE 9.4, when I follow these steps, when
I try to arrow up and down to choose a different font or font size, WE just
says ?blank? repeatedly.

Blessings,
Naomi in Michigan

Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:29:06 +
From: Marc Solomon via Talk >>
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>
Subject: Re: Menus
Message-ID:
<1bd2fc305919484fa6900b4ae1106...@ai2smail02.aisquared.com

>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Naomi,
Are you using the Ribbon or Font dialogue to make these adjustments? What
version of Word? Can you list the exact steps you are using when the problem
occurs?
Regards,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com
>

On June 12, 2016 7:56:27 AM Naomi Knudsen via Talk

>> wrote:

> I have Windows10 and WE 9.4. WE will not read some of the menu items as it
used to do with Windows7. For example, in Word, when I want to change a font
size or style, WE will not read the menus. Do I need to adjust some setting, or
is their a different way to make these adjustments with Windows10?
> Thanks for the help
>
> Blessings,
> Naomi in Michigan
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com

.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%40embarqmail.com

.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit

Re: Think Business

You don't join your company that's trying to sue you out of business.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Mickey via Talk  
> wrote:
> 
>I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if the 
> people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent compan is 
> AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.
> 
> 
> No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their prices 
> affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.
> 
> 
> The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, caring 
> people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.
> 
> 
> I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the times 
> they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.
> 
> 
> There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE for 
> now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we think 
> they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I suspect they 
> couldn't do it alone any more.
> 
> 
> Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
> exemplary service. May it continue!
> 
> 
> Mickey Prahin
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Just info re windows 10

2016-06-15 Thread Steve Clower via Talk

Kevin,

Windows-V will activate the notification as long as it is on screen.

Regards,
Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:12 PM
To: Don Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Just info re windows 10

Hi:

While we are on the subject of Windows 10, how can I read those pop-up
windows that come up every now and then, for instance, when I plug a
memory stick into my USB port, I hear the tone and a message that
tells me to "tap to choose what action I want to take" or something
like that.  How do I get to that menu or whatever it is?
Kevin Huber

On 6/13/16, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Hello:
>
>
>
> Just letting folks know re my jurney to windows 10.
>
>
>
> I was running windows 7 and we 9.4 and was reluctant to update to windows
> 10.
>
>
>
> So my grandson came and I said let's do it.
>
>
>
> I am now running windows 10 and quite pleased.
>
>
>
> Did the normal update, then after instlling, I reinstalled 9.4 of we.
>
>
>
> It was still not quite and after checking with we support was advised to go
> to the apps, then to diagnosis and to I think it was to reinstall or repair
> the video drivers and bingo, windows 10 is running very smoothly.
>
>
>
> I find no bugs and I just have to learn some of the new features.
>
>
>
> I have a normal desktop, finding the start page is fine, outlook email is
> working fine, now all I have to learn is that sneaky ribbon.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> I do feel  a sighted helper is an asset.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sclower%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: betrayal

2016-06-15 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

Absolutely not.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:45 PM
To: Paulette Vickery; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Hmm, Paulette, VoiceOver on the iPhone, TalkBack on Android, will soon
render screen readers worthless in my view.  Pretty soon, computers may even
go away except in government offices where nothing ever changes!

Indeed, it's a bitter pill for me to swallow!  The death of Window-Eyes may
mean that I'd become jobless.  Jaws HAS NEVER worked with my set up here and
for this long, Window-Eyes has kept me at my desk where I make the pennies
that pay the bills and put fruits and veggies on my wee, small table.  I
better jealously GUARD my old copies of Window-Eyes because if my computer
crashes, and I need to perform a reinstall, I may not be able to download
one sometime soon from any source.

My SMA expired sometime back; I'd been thinking long and hard about buying
another SMA.  But now, I am confused with the hope that my confusion will
somehow be sorted out though I'm not so sure it will ever be done
satisfactorily.

When businesses pander to venture capitalists, this is what happens! 
Perhaps GW Micro could have raised enough funds to STAY AWAKE if it had
opted to sell stocks in the open market to source funds for continuous
development.  This never happens in the adaptive technology industry. 
Constant argument?  It's a small niche market of blind folks!  I'm still
blind, yet I own a small piece of Avis Rent-A-Car because I purchased its
stocks.  I shall certainly have done the same if GW micro had issued an IPO.

I hope the future for blind folks who come after me will be a brilliant one
and they won't have to worry about being let down by screen reader
developers.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40
gmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Just info re windows 10

2016-06-15 Thread via Talk

That feature is not working right now, it was a tooltip in windows 7,
but now its something that the WE app does not respond to.

Kevin Huber via Talk  wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> 
> While we are on the subject of Windows 10, how can I read those pop-up
> windows that come up every now and then, for instance, when I plug a
> memory stick into my USB port, I hear the tone and a message that
> tells me to "tap to choose what action I want to take" or something
> like that.  How do I get to that menu or whatever it is?
> Kevin Huber
> 
> On 6/13/16, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> > Hello:
> >
> >
> >
> > Just letting folks know re my jurney to windows 10.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was running windows 7 and we 9.4 and was reluctant to update to windows
> > 10.
> >
> >
> >
> > So my grandson came and I said let's do it.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am now running windows 10 and quite pleased.
> >
> >
> >
> > Did the normal update, then after instlling, I reinstalled 9.4 of we.
> >
> >
> >
> > It was still not quite and after checking with we support was advised to go
> > to the apps, then to diagnosis and to I think it was to reinstall or repair
> > the video drivers and bingo, windows 10 is running very smoothly.
> >
> >
> >
> > I find no bugs and I just have to learn some of the new features.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a normal desktop, finding the start page is fine, outlook email is
> > working fine, now all I have to learn is that sneaky ribbon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > I do feel  a sighted helper is an asset.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> >
> > For membership options, visit
> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com.
> > For subscription options, visit
> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> > List archives can be found at
> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> >
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/covici%40ccs.covici.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: back Norton

2016-06-15 Thread Steve Clower via Talk

If you are using Outlook and message virtualization is enabled, try 
reinstalling Outlook Enhance through AppGet (reached with Windows-G).

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+sclower=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Veronica Smith via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: back Norton

So ever since I got the WE upgrade to 9.4, I cannot get attachments and I
have been whining and whining about it.  I asked here and the result was;
well I was told it was because I am using Norton as my virus protector.
Maybe, maybe not.  The problem that was pointed out to me recently by my
husband who several months ago uninstalled Norton and installed AVG for me
was that I have been using Norton for a long long time and I could get
attachments.  So what changed? The problem in my opinion had to be in the
new upgrade, what is it?
I went back to Norton because AVG actually makes me coocoo.  Every little
while it pops up and says we are checking for viruses and though you might
say this is a good thing, it does it so often that I loose my concentration
of what I am actually suppose to be doing.
Frustrated in New Mexico!
Veronica

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sclower%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: V F O?

2016-06-15 Thread Vaughan Dodd via Talk

I have a similar hope.  For sometime, I have wondered whether the big 
corporates find this industry difficult to deal with, because although the big 
league might claim a commitment to accessibility, each product manufacturer in 
our niche tackles the problem differently.  That said: the new group needs to 
maintain the very positive features of Window-eyes and build on them with the 
same commitment as they will to JAWS.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:50 a.m.
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: V F O?

 My hope is that this combination of companies will improve accessibility 
and not limit new development.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

---
This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and 
subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, 
dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is 
prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author 
immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of 
Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message 
or attachments after transmission from the Ministry.

---
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

I hope this is the case.  Yes, it seems that all sorts of companies own all 
sorts of other companies you wouldn't think did.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Karyn Campbell via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:53 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: betrayal

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12426 - Release Date: 06/15/16 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Casualty?

Well, I' am responding hoping you get this.  The list is far from dead.  It 
has been hopping with the latest news about the acquisition of window eyes 
by the company that owns jaws.  I hope that sending you this message starts 
things up for you like it does, sometimes.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Crabb, Nolan via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Casualty?

I assume this list is dead, since I’ve not received any mail from it in 
several days? Just testing.


Nolan

Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
and Inclusion

Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
Columbus, OH 43210

(614) 535-7174

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12426 - Release Date: 06/15/16 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

2016-06-15 Thread Tony C via Talk

It's too soon to tell. However, one way to make them at least think twice 
about getting rid of one reader would be for everyone to boycott Freedom, 
might make it a bit hard for a time but NVDA could be used.

-Original Message- 
From: Lynn White via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:53 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

Guys,

Can we now wait for awhile and see what happens?  This transaction just
took place and these things take time.

On 6/15/2016 8:11 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
That is classified information, until such time as the ministry chooses to 
release it.
Most likely, they will not support two  scream beaters. And if it comes 
down to that, we know which one is going to go.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
 wrote:

Ok, ok, I get it.  What I want to know, are they going to change Window
eyes? Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:53 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company

Hi Matthew and everyone,

Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:

http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.

On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the

author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit

http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40ver
izon.net.

For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h
otmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lynnwhite360%40radioforlife.info.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

action by DOJ

2016-06-15 Thread Kim Lingo via Talk

I would be very surprised if the Department of Justice does anything at all. 
First, this just happened.  there is no actual showing of harm to the 
consumer yet.  Second, there _are_ other screen readers out there.  I'm 
thinking of Narrator, and something I've read about on this list called 
System Access.  there may very well be more I don't know about.


Also, this represents possible but not yet proven injury to a very small 
group of consumers in the over-all scheme of things.  It's not exactly a 
headline grabber.  Then there's budgetary considerations.  My area of legal 
expertise before I retired was not anti-trust or consumer litigation.  This 
was covered a bit thirty years ago when I was in law school.  But you don't 
have to be a lawyer to figure this kind of thing out.  We'll just have to 
wait and see what happens.  I realize the federal trade commission, or the 
DOJ, can't do anything about this if they don't know; so I'm not telling 
anyone not to file a complaint.  I'd just be very surprised if anything 
happened.  Remember, there is something even more powerful than a verdict, 
an injunction, or a writ.  That's the wallet.
Kim Lingo 



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Think Business

2016-06-15 Thread Mickey via Talk

I probably shouldn't chime in on this, but I doubt if 
the people at Window-Eyes had a lot to say about this sale. The parent 
compan is AI Squared, and I'm sure they made the decision.



No, the good people at WE sold to AI Squared because they kept their 
prices affordable, and it's hard to feed a family on affordability.



The men and women who worked for WE and AI Squared were dedicated, 
caring people. Unfortunately, big business gets the nod.



I've been a GW customer for 22 years, and love it. Don't forget all the 
times they helped us out of jams, and not only in working hours.



There was no betrayal here, simply economics. At least we still have WE 
for now, and we need to stop giving the wrong people grief. Granted, we 
think they're there to please us, and they have, for many years. But I 
suspect they couldn't do it alone any more.



Thank you Doug, Dan, Chris, Marc, and all the people I've missed for 
exemplary service. May it continue!



Mickey Prahin


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Menus

2016-06-15 Thread Naomi Knudsen via Talk

How do I repair the windows 10 display driver?

Blessings,
Naomi in Michigan
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com 
] On Behalf 
Of Naomi Knudsen via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 12:27 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
Subject: Re: Menus

I am using Office 2010, Windows10 and WE 9.4.

With Windows7 in a Word document, I could press the alt key then tab across to 
?font" and "font size?. From either of those tabs, I could arrow up and down to 
choose a font or a font size. 

Now, after upgrading to Windows10 and WE 9.4, when I follow these steps, when I 
try to arrow up and down to choose a different font or font size, WE just says 
?blank? repeatedly.  

Blessings,
Naomi in Michigan

Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:29:06 +
From: Marc Solomon via Talk  >>
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List  >>
Subject: Re: Menus
Message-ID:
<1bd2fc305919484fa6900b4ae1106...@ai2smail02.aisquared.com 

>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Naomi,
Are you using the Ribbon or Font dialogue to make these adjustments? What 
version of Word? Can you list the exact steps you are using when the problem 
occurs? 
Regards,
Marc

Sent with AquaMail for Android
http://www.aqua-mail.com  >

On June 12, 2016 7:56:27 AM Naomi Knudsen via Talk  >> wrote:

> I have Windows10 and WE 9.4. WE will not read some of the menu items as it 
> used to do with Windows7. For example, in Word, when I want to change a font 
> size or style, WE will not read the menus. Do I need to adjust some setting, 
> or is their a different way to make these adjustments with Windows10?
> Thanks for the help
> 
> Blessings,
> Naomi in Michigan
> 
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com

.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 

List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/drlineberger%40embarqmail.com

.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 

List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

2016-06-15 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

How are they not the same thing?  Just because they are smaller, doesn't 
mean they are not competitors.  This is not an example of a monopoly. 
If Microsoft came out with a version of Windows that forced you to use 
their screen reader, then you would have a point.


On 6/15/2016 7:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Why wouldn't it be?  One company controlling all of the companies that
provide a certain thing, well, isn't that a monopoly?  Like good old Ma
Bell?  And no, I'm purposely not mentioning System Access or the other
one, because they are not the same thing.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:53 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
innovation could become slower.
We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
alternative.
The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
don't end up with monopoly mega.

On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:

Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
 wrote:

It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
to
replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want
one or
not.

About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
can
barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
spout
in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have
any
of
you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
accessible
is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
want
to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
than
easier, no matter how you slice it.

Paulette
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ



On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin

and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to
challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.


On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.

Re: betrayal

2016-06-15 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

I think expressing concerns to FS would be far more effective than 
involving the federal government, as well as conducting a social 
networking campaign.  I'm sure there will be plenty said in publications 
for the blind andto the extent that there are forums, people here should 
speak out.  I realize I'm not saying anything you don't already know.


On 6/15/2016 10:53 AM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.






___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: wouldn't it be interesting

2016-06-15 Thread Nick Sarames via Talk

And now Block Buster is gone.  We love to rail against corporate 
interaction, but it comes down to the free market dictating what will 
happen.


On 6/15/2016 9:22 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk wrote:

Hello
So way back in the eighties and mid-nineties my brother had a home movie
video store in Denver.  His rentals were a little higher than other places,
but they were in top condition.  With every movie you rented, you got a bag
of popcorn and either a soda or a candybar.  It was like going to see a
family member every weekend.  But then Block buster moved in across the
street and whammo, he went out of business.  Even though bB didn't offer
popcorn and the other stuff, people thought it was better to get more items
for less quality.  I know this is not the same at all, but it is.  Quantity
verses quality, unfortunately for us, that's how the world works. I am a WE
user because they, in my opinion, are better (quality)!
Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:56 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: wouldn't it be interesting

Sometimes, in a market like this the big guys have all the toys. These
guys gotta keep the lights on.  It's sad, but that's how it goes.




On 6/14/2016 11:41 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

I think they allowed it to be taken over.
If you can't beat them, you sleep with them.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: wouldn't it be interesting

Wouldn't it be interesting to hear what Doug and Dan think about their

life

long work being taken over by the enemy?
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the

author

and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit


http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn

.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the

author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit

http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40v
erizon.net.

For subscription options, visit

http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

List archives can be found at

http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com




___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: My thoughts on the buyout

Yes; what would be put in place of a screenreader?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:55 AM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My thoughts on the buyout

I doubt it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Charles Adkins via Talk 
 wrote:

I agree with Karen. This was a financial move only as they all are. As 
disappointing as it seems to me, I'm not going to get upset about it 
because there isn't a damn thing I can do about it and prolonged stress is 
just helping pay for my doctor's vacation. I find myself doing most of my 
work on my phone anyway, and before the fanmail starts I am talking about 
my situation and am in know way implying anything for anybody else. I will 
use Window-eyes until I can't, and then I'll move on. I would like to see 
the day when screen readers are no longer needed for anyone, and Zoomtext 
and such are standard equiptment and you know what, I really think that 
day is coming, hence this move.
I did live the first 50 years of my life and didn't even own a computer, 
worked 2 and sometime 3 radio jobs, played with my kids outside, life was 
ok!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
 wrote:

I have a feeling that possibly in the not-to-distant future, we will find 
the screen reader will become an outdated concept

On 6/14/2016 11:59 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:
Hello all,

I've read all of the E-mails on the subject of the buyout of AI Squared, 
and
that's what I think this is, with interst and  some anger. Anger 
because, as
many have stated, we likely will lose Window-Eyes, something I'm not a 
huge

fan of.  I know how to use this screen reader better than JAWS.  This is
also what I have at work and God knows we don't have money to buy the 
other

one.

I also am angry because I think customer service will suffer.  I've 
heard
horror stories about that and am real concerned especially for those in 
the

DeafBlind community who have communication challenges as it is.  Will
customer service be patient in these situations?  I have my doubts based 
on
what I know. Also, as companies get bigger customer service usually 
suffers.

Just look at any company out there who has been swallowed up by another.

Will this drive upprices?  Unfortunately I think it will which means 
that a

screen reader will be out of reach for many, especially if they need a
Braille display.  This will hurt those in the DeafBlind community who do 
not
qualify  for the National DeafBlind Equipmend  Distribution Program 
(NDBEDP)
better known as I Can Connect or ICC.What are these people supposed to 
do?
I don't have numbers so can't say exactly how many people would be 
affected

in this way.

As someone stated previously, many businesses are afraid of open source
software for security reasons. This means that JAWS could be the only 
source

for the workplace which is not a good thing.

Will this kil innovation? I think that is likely as bigger requires more
layers in order for a new idea to reach market and layers upon layers is 
not

a good thing as that means more time which is the enemy of innovation.

As for antitrust concerns, I can see that being a concern due to
anticompetitive concerns and monopoly.  However, I wil just state my
concerns in this area and leave any expansion on it to legal experts 
among

us.

I further think, as I believe my husband does, that this was done to get
Zoom text as Mag-ic is not doing well for FS and they want into that 
market.

These are my thoughts for now.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and 
I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 
with

Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cadkins6739%40gmail.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or

Re: Finding attachments in Win 10 and Becky

On 6/14/16, Chris Grabowski via Talk  wrote:
> Incoming or outgoing email?
> Incoming, just tab off of the message body and you'll be in an attachments
> list.
>
>
> Ai Squared Support
> Ai Squared
> 725 Airport North Office Park
> Fort Wayne, IN 46825
> (802) 362-3612
> www.aisquared.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave via Talk
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 11:22 PM
> To: A I Squared Support 
> Subject: OT: Finding attachments in Win 10 and Becky
>
> Hello,
>
> Someone sent me some file attachments with an Email.  I use Becky, but I
> cannot find them in Win 10.
>
> I cannot tell if the attachments never arrived, or they are still waiting in
> some folder Becky is using on this system.
>
> Would someone who knows, tell me where these attachments should be found, if
> they were attached to an email?
>
> thanks,
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
> --
> Dave 
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Just info re windows 10

Hi:

While we are on the subject of Windows 10, how can I read those pop-up
windows that come up every now and then, for instance, when I plug a
memory stick into my USB port, I hear the tone and a message that
tells me to "tap to choose what action I want to take" or something
like that.  How do I get to that menu or whatever it is?
Kevin Huber

On 6/13/16, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Hello:
>
>
>
> Just letting folks know re my jurney to windows 10.
>
>
>
> I was running windows 7 and we 9.4 and was reluctant to update to windows
> 10.
>
>
>
> So my grandson came and I said let's do it.
>
>
>
> I am now running windows 10 and quite pleased.
>
>
>
> Did the normal update, then after instlling, I reinstalled 9.4 of we.
>
>
>
> It was still not quite and after checking with we support was advised to go
> to the apps, then to diagnosis and to I think it was to reinstall or repair
> the video drivers and bingo, windows 10 is running very smoothly.
>
>
>
> I find no bugs and I just have to learn some of the new features.
>
>
>
> I have a normal desktop, finding the start page is fine, outlook email is
> working fine, now all I have to learn is that sneaky ribbon.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> I do feel  a sighted helper is an asset.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Loy via Talk

No, it is not dead. there has been a lot of messages.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Crabb, Nolan via Talk 
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:44 AM
  Subject: Casualty?

  I assume this list is dead, since I’ve not received any mail from it in 
several days? Just testing.

  Nolan

  Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
  The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
and Inclusion
  Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
  Columbus, OH 43210

  (614) 535-7174

  ___
  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

  For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com.
  For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
  List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: what choice?

Hi Netbat:

How do we know that Window-eyes will go away?  For all we know, we may
get a new hybrid screenreader which will combine the best features of
JAWS and Window-eyes.
A couple of suggested names for such a hybrid screen reader might be

1. Window-JAWS
2. Window-eyes confusion
3. JAWS Confusion.

Does anybody want to add to the list?
:)

Kevin Huber



On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> if you don't like free speech delete it.
> i have used window eyes over jaws for 25 years. it was then and is now much
>
> easier to use and configure myself which i couldn't do with jaws. now this
> choice will be gone and jaws will be the only choice i have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RJ Sandefur via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:28 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>
> Will you please stop wining like children!
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 1:53 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Of course I do.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know the word "Monopoly???"
>>>
>>> -Bob Ringwald
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:18 AM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell
>>> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific
>>> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad
>>> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>>>
>>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great
>>> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There
>>> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to
>>> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this
>>> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to
>>> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them
>>> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or
>>> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this
>>> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.
>>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed
>>> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the
>>> customer.
>>>
>>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about
>>> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.
>>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate.
>>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I
>>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their
>>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a
>>> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely
>>> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different
>>> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great
>>> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and
>>> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to
>>> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision
>>> and blind person out there.
>>>
>>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and
>>> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is
>>> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we
>>> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all
>>> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes,
>>> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there
>>> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into
>>> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Doug
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>>> author
>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
>>> For membership options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rs%40ringwald.com.
>>> For subscription options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>> List archives can be found at
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>>> author
>>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>>
>>> For membership options, visit
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
>>> For subscription options, visit
>>>

Re: Screen readers and monopolies.

2016-06-15 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Hi:

I think that what this whole thing boils down to is that this is just
amother change, albeit a major one, in computer accessibility.  And
those of us who have been around for the last 20 or 30 years have seen
a number of changes.  For example, there was the shift from DOS to
Windows in the 1990s, which shook up the blindness comunity, or the
switch from mainframe computers in the 1970s and early 1980s, which
shook up the blind programming comunity, and we survived those
changes.
Somehow, we will all survive this one too.
Kevin Huber

On 6/15/16, Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:
> To stay semi on topic, this merger has the potential to break the whole
> blindness at industry, esp. When you talking about braille.  Still say
> monopoly. Just wait and see when products start getting axed.
>
>  This really messes stuff up for screen magnifier users. There isn't a
> advanced nvda type program for that.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Kevin Minor via Talk
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I'll be watching what happens with this new merger with interest.  I have
>> two main things to mention.
>>
>> First, congrats to all who kept this quiet.  Apple needs to learn from
>> this news.
>>
>> Second, and my main topic, is the thought that this new company is a
>> monopoly.  It's not.  It doesn't stop other companies like NVDA from
>> continuing to make a good screen reader.  Sure, the big companies will
>> probably combine their resourses, but it's not a monopoly.  If you want
>> to
>> talk about a true monopoly, why don't we mention Apple?  What other
>> screen
>> access software besides VoiceOver is available for their devices?
>>
>> Just my thoughts.  I'm looking at this in a positive mode.  I do have my
>> concerns, but I'm not upset...yet.
>>
>> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>
>> For membership options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jadedangelpromises%40gmail.com
>> .
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>
>
>
> --
> "The world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised,
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>
>
> Reeva
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

Hmm, Paulette, VoiceOver on the iPhone, TalkBack on Android, will soon 
render screen readers worthless in my view.  Pretty soon, computers may even 
go away except in government offices where nothing ever changes!


Indeed, it's a bitter pill for me to swallow!  The death of Window-Eyes may 
mean that I'd become jobless.  Jaws HAS NEVER worked with my set up here and 
for this long, Window-Eyes has kept me at my desk where I make the pennies 
that pay the bills and put fruits and veggies on my wee, small table.  I 
better jealously GUARD my old copies of Window-Eyes because if my computer 
crashes, and I need to perform a reinstall, I may not be able to download 
one sometime soon from any source.


My SMA expired sometime back; I'd been thinking long and hard about buying 
another SMA.  But now, I am confused with the hope that my confusion will 
somehow be sorted out though I'm not so sure it will ever be done 
satisfactorily.


When businesses pander to venture capitalists, this is what happens! 
Perhaps GW Micro could have raised enough funds to STAY AWAKE if it had 
opted to sell stocks in the open market to source funds for continuous 
development.  This never happens in the adaptive technology industry. 
Constant argument?  It's a small niche market of blind folks!  I'm still 
blind, yet I own a small piece of Avis Rent-A-Car because I purchased its 
stocks.  I shall certainly have done the same if GW micro had issued an IPO. 
I hope the future for blind folks who come after me will be a brilliant one 
and they won't have to worry about being let down by screen reader 
developers.


Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: To Doug and the others at GW Micro

This is how I feel.  We'll just have to wait and see what the final product
will be. V

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:43 PM
To: A I Squared Support
Subject: To Doug and the others at GW Micro

Hello Doug,  

I am not thrilled about the blending of A I Squared and Freedom
Scientific.  but, it looks like it will be happening, and so I can only
hope for the best.  

I have no idea what Trials you and Dan suffered through, all these years
of attempting to provide a very good Screen Reading program, first for
DOS and then for the many flavors of Windows.  

People can be Unthankful and still be incredibly Demanding. As many
Comedians might say, the Blind are a hard Crowd to please.  

I forget when I bought Vocal eyes, the Dos Screen Reader.  Sometime in
the early to mid 90's.  

Before then, I had bought and used two or three other Screen Readers. 
Once I started using Vocal eyes and then Window eyes, I was comfortable
with what it provided, and especially with the great Customer Service
and Tech Support.  Perhaps it is the Indiana culture, but almost always,
I felt like those attempting to provide good service to me were doing
the best they could, which is all I was expecting.  

Because of your program, I was able to be employed for almost 25 years,
in a real job, doing real work, working for a real Company, and not some
charity or Government job where I filled a Quota for Hiring the
handicapped.  

this was important to me, and without a high quality Screen Reader, I
would not have been able to pull my own weight, and be an asset to the
Company.  

I would sincerely like to Thank you and Dan, and the others at the old GW
Micro for having an Old Fashiond approach to serving your Customer Base.  
I for one, benefitted from all of GW Micro's efforts.  

As all of us go forward, I guess time will tell just how smoothly the
blending of Window-eyes and Jaws will turn out.  

I have many years of being quite Spoiled with Good Service, and I am a
very Difficult Customer if Quality Control is taken lightly by
Management.  Receiving a Buggy program has never been something that
makes me Happy.  

Onward we all go, and I hope for the best when it comes to the future of
Window-Eyes and its Customers.  

Grumpy Dave Heilman

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk

the subject line reflects what has happened to AI-SQUARED, becoming
another offshoot of another conglomerate. :)
We use to have a company who was easy to reach with our concerns,
however now, we'll see. Having had to deal with the huge backlog 
-- 
Curtis Delzer 

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:58:34 -0700
Dave via Talk  wrote:

> The list is alive and has been quite busy these last two days.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dave 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis1014%40verizon.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: My Take On things.

2016-06-15 Thread Dennis Long via Talk

I bought the software and love the tech support.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:14 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Evan Reese; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

Exactly. I bought my copy on the payment plan back in 2007. My concern with
this murger is that we'll see a drop in quality and an increase in price for
those who, like me, would prefer to purchase their software and have the
free tech support that entails.

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:48 AM
To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes.  Before then, I
borrowed somebody else's.  But when the installment plan came in, I made it
legal and bought my own.  The original computer was bought from a guy who
used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it.  So, I had to
choose something else.  And jaws was too expensive.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Evan Reese via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader
back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could
never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does
not, and never has given people that option.
Evan

-Original Message-
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is cheaper
than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty dollars for the
newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred dollars and getting the
last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for two versions. JAWS SMA for two
versions is one hundred eighty dollars if you use citrix metaframe or one
hundred twenty dollars for Home Version of JAWS which is good for two
upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never said you pay for an upgrade between
major versions or buy an SMA.  An SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars
for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the best
features were. The first is the creation of set files and the second is to
be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It can
also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and making
the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer and
other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I switched
to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since version 9 there
seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To avoid dealing with the
crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true but
it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one should
be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for your
products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free version. Maybe
we should have seen at that time there would be other major changes that we
might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose which
problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues but all
screen readers always will

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dsle
xtreme.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40opton
line.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

-
No virus found in this

RE: betrayal

2016-06-15 Thread Mike Pietruk via Talk

Karyn

That's a good example of YUM.  And YUM itself is a spin-off of Pepsico 
(pep) which, over the years, had bought up Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, Pizza 
Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, et al.
So what you have is a bunch of initially independent fast food chains 
which end up being bought up and placed under the Pepsi corporate umbrella 
and then Pepsico packages them together into a new spin-off company, Yum 
Brands (yum).
So, I suppose, as an example, someone could come along, make an offer and 
purchase GW-Micro from its new owner.
OR JFW, Zoom Text, whatever.
Not saying this would happen, but, in the business world, brand names can 
and do change owners sometimes for the better and other times with no 
consequence and sometimes for the worse.




I have a great need for Christ; I have a great Christ for my need.
 Charles Spurgeon




___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: AI Squared has a new parent company

2016-06-15 Thread Kevin Minor via Talk

Hi.

I wouldn't assume that Window-Eyes will disappear.  If I heard correctly on the 
email list, FS is selling JAWS at a large discount.  From my experience this 
means they're getting rid of it for something else.  I think it's too soon to 
speculate on what will happen.  I personally have both screen readers 
mentioned, and if one of them did some tasks better I'd use it since it's my 
preference, but it doesn't work as well, so I use the other one which works 
better for me.

Have a great day, and don't work too hard..
Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kminor65=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 9:11 AM
To: Veronica Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

That is classified information, until such time as the ministry chooses to 
release it.
Most likely, they will not support two  scream beaters. And if it comes down to 
that, we know which one is going to go.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, ok, I get it.  What I want to know, are they going to change 
> Window eyes? Veronica
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:53 AM
> To: mattc...@verizon.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company
> 
> Hi Matthew and everyone,
> 
> Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, 
> the parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:
> 
> http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Let me get this straight:
>> 
>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How 
>> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>> 
>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao
> %40ver
> izon.net.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutt
> on%40h
> otmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_
> tewe%4
> 0spinn.net.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kminor65%40outlook.com.
For subscription options, visit

Definition of Monopoly

2016-06-15 Thread Amanda Lee via Talk

There is no valid evidence that this acquisition of AI Squared is at all an 
attempt to form a monopoly.

As stated in the Online Business Dictionary, a monopoly is defined as 
follows:

Monopoly:  Market situation where one producer (or a group of
 producers acting in concert) controls supply of a good or service, and 
where the entry of new producers is prevented or highly restricted


An attempt to merge two competing products together to more than likely 
preserve the integrety and valuable development efforts of both products is 
hardly a monopoly.  Also, as everyone is aware, there are other Screen 
Readers and Magnification programs available.  I seriously doubt that any 
efforts are underway to obtain their respective assets.

I know we are all deeply concerned and fearful of what the outcomes will 
ultimately be.  However, it is disrespectful in the extreme of how you all 
have bashed and attacked the staff and management of AI Squared and 
particularly the dedicated developers of Window-Eyes.  Please stop it.

I personally am thinking positively that what will emerge will be of greater 
benefit to us all.

Amanda Lee

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: betrayal

Its very sad indeed that they had no interest in learning Window-Eyes. This
is one of the reasons we're in this mess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:25 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

The avoidance of Window eyes might be caused by the laziness of those
who had learned Jaws, but did not wish to now learn Window eyes.  Didn't
matter if Window Eyes was better, or less buggy.  It came down to those
who make the decisions for purchasing Screen Readers only knew Jaws, and
they had always gone with Jaws etc.  Everyone they knew also knew Jaws,
why change now?  Isn't one screen reader the same as another?   Bla Bla
Bla

I once approached someone at the local Light House for the Blind  and
attempted to get them to look at Window Eyes.  they wouldn't even give
it a glance.  Jaws was working for them, and they knew how to write
Scripts for Jaws, and they had no interest in learning Window eyes.  

-- 
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca
.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

back Norton

So ever since I got the WE upgrade to 9.4, I cannot get attachments and I
have been whining and whining about it.  I asked here and the result was;
well I was told it was because I am using Norton as my virus protector.
Maybe, maybe not.  The problem that was pointed out to me recently by my
husband who several months ago uninstalled Norton and installed AVG for me
was that I have been using Norton for a long long time and I could get
attachments.  So what changed? The problem in my opinion had to be in the
new upgrade, what is it?
I went back to Norton because AVG actually makes me coocoo.  Every little
while it pops up and says we are checking for viruses and though you might
say this is a good thing, it does it so often that I loose my concentration
of what I am actually suppose to be doing.
Frustrated in New Mexico!
Veronica


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Dave via Talk

The list is alive and has been quite busy these last two days.


-- 
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Mike Rogers via Talk

your message reached the list.  there has been a big debate going, over IA 
Squared merging with FVO (Freedom).

www.harmonicaworkshops.com
www.woodeneyemusic.com

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:44:57 +
"Crabb, Nolan via Talk"  wrote:

> I assume this list is dead, since Ive not received any mail from it in 
> several days? Just testing.
> 
> Nolan
> 
> Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
> The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
> and Inclusion
> Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
> Columbus, OH 43210
> 
> (614) 535-7174
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/harpman9%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Crabb, Nolan via Talk

I apologize for the clutter. Looks like the problem lies with my exchange 
server.

Regards,

Nolan

Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
and Inclusion
Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
Columbus, OH 43210

(614) 535-7174

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

2016-06-15 Thread Lynn White via Talk


Guys,


Can we now wait for awhile and see what happens?  This transaction just 
took place and these things take time.




On 6/15/2016 8:11 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

That is classified information, until such time as the ministry chooses to 
release it.
Most likely, they will not support two  scream beaters. And if it comes down to 
that, we know which one is going to go.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
 wrote:

Ok, ok, I get it.  What I want to know, are they going to change Window
eyes? Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:53 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company

Hi Matthew and everyone,

Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:

http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.





On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Let me get this straight:

The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?

That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the

author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit

http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40ver
izon.net.

For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h
otmail.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lynnwhite360%40radioforlife.info.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com




___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: betrayal

2016-06-15 Thread Karyn Campbell via Talk

Pam,

You might think so and it's what I thought too.

However, think of this one for a moment. Yum Brands is a big holding company
in the fast-food industry.  They own brands such as KFC, Taco Bell and, I
believe, Pizza Hut.  I believe there are others in that brand holding
company but don't know them off-hand.  A google search would get you all of
them, I'm sure.

My point in bringing them up is that there are several brands under that
name and all are indepednet.  Even though the same holding company owns all
of them, they each put out their own type of food and are distinct chains.

I'm wondering if VFO now becomes a major holding company in the AT world
with each brand allowed to be independent but there is some sharing of
resources.  We will have to see what happens.

BTW I don't know why I didn't think of the comparison last night but time
allows one to think.

As others have said, and they're probably right, the Dept. of Justice
probably wont touch this one due to size. Concerns can be expressed though
even if they're not likely to go any further than that.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
machines.






___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk

Hi,
You might want to check your spam filter, this list definitely isn't dead.


Ai Squared Support
Ai Squared
725 Airport North Office Park
Fort Wayne, IN 46825
(802) 362-3612
www.aisquared.com


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Casualty?

I assume this list is dead, since I’ve not received any mail from it in several 
days? Just testing.

Nolan

Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
and Inclusion
Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
Columbus, OH 43210

(614) 535-7174

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Casualty?

2016-06-15 Thread Crabb, Nolan via Talk

I assume this list is dead, since I’ve not received any mail from it in several 
days? Just testing.

Nolan

Nolan Crabb, Director of Assistive Technology
The Ohio State University, Office of the ADA Coordinator/Office of Diversity 
and Inclusion
Hale Hall, 150 W. 12th Ave., Ste. 15
Columbus, OH 43210

(614) 535-7174

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

2016-06-15 Thread Dave via Talk

The avoidance of Window eyes might be caused by the laziness of those
who had learned Jaws, but did not wish to now learn Window eyes.  Didn't
matter if Window Eyes was better, or less buggy.  It came down to those
who make the decisions for purchasing Screen Readers only knew Jaws, and
they had always gone with Jaws etc.  Everyone they knew also knew Jaws,
why change now?  Isn't one screen reader the same as another?   Bla Bla
Bla

I once approached someone at the local Light House for the Blind  and
attempted to get them to look at Window Eyes.  they wouldn't even give
it a glance.  Jaws was working for them, and they knew how to write
Scripts for Jaws, and they had no interest in learning Window eyes.  



-- 
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: wouldn't it be interesting

The only question is how long that'll continue to be the case.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> So way back in the eighties and mid-nineties my brother had a home movie
> video store in Denver.  His rentals were a little higher than other places,
> but they were in top condition.  With every movie you rented, you got a bag
> of popcorn and either a soda or a candybar.  It was like going to see a
> family member every weekend.  But then Block buster moved in across the
> street and whammo, he went out of business.  Even though bB didn't offer
> popcorn and the other stuff, people thought it was better to get more items
> for less quality.  I know this is not the same at all, but it is.  Quantity
> verses quality, unfortunately for us, that's how the world works. I am a WE
> user because they, in my opinion, are better (quality)!
> Veronica
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:56 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: wouldn't it be interesting
> 
> Sometimes, in a market like this the big guys have all the toys. These 
> guys gotta keep the lights on.  It's sad, but that's how it goes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 11:41 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> I think they allowed it to be taken over.
>> If you can't beat them, you sleep with them.
>> 
>> Darrell Bowles
>> Assistive Technology Trainer
>> Pelissippi State Community College
>> 8656613917
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:41 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Subject: wouldn't it be interesting
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be interesting to hear what Doug and Dan think about their
> life
>> long work being taken over by the enemy?
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn
>> .com.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40v
> erizon.net.
>> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
> 0spinn.net.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bpeterson2000%40cableone.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

they were wise when ai-square bought GWMICRO, they are not so wise now. 
The last message that was sent please disregard.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> They were Wiseman AI squared GW Micro Product Discussion Listserv
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for your wise words! v
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
>> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:19 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
>> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
>> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
>> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
>> 
>> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
>> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
>> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
>> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
>> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
>> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
>> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
>> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
>> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
>> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
>> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
>> customer.
>> 
>> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
>> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
>> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
>> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
>> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
>> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
>> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
>> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
>> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
>> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
>> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
>> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
>> and blind person out there.
>> 
>> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
>> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
>> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
>> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
>> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
>> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
>> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
>> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Doug
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
>> 0spinn.net.
>> For subscription options, visit
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

They were Wiseman AI squared GW Micro Product Discussion Listserv

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your wise words! v
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:19 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
> released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
> and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
> thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.
> 
> I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
> number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
> are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
> everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
> point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
> take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
> together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
> so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
> point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
> Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
> with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
> customer.
> 
> Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
> it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
> Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
> Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
> started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
> engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
> certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
> different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
> CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
> leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
> available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
> have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
> and blind person out there.
> 
> People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
> quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
> still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
> have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
> they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
> this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
> will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
> this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
> 0spinn.net.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Thank you for your wise words! v

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

Hello everyone,

I wanted to chime in here and give my personal thoughts to the bombshell 
released today regarding VFO (the parent company of Freedom Scientific 
and Optelec) acquiring Ai Squared.  And by bombshell, I don't mean a bad 
thing, I just mean it is shocking and unexpected news.

I know this may seem scary to many people.  I know that we have a great 
number of extremely loyal customers who may be feeling betrayed. There 
are lots of legit concerns and questions that I'm sure come to 
everyone's minds.  But honestly, nobody knows the answers at this 
point.  We are just starting the discussions internally of how best to 
take all our new resources, talent, products, etc. and meld them 
together to give the best customer experience.  For the next 6 months or 
so, it will be business as usual. After the 6 months, who knows at this 
point but I can guarantee the customers will benefit from the results.  
Nobody will be abandoned or taken advantage of, etc.  I'm very impressed 
with John Blake (CEO of VFO).  I truly believe John is in this for the 
customer.

Personally, I'm extremely excited with the possibilities.  Think about 
it, we now have all the best minds in this industry under one roof.  
Instead of us duplicating resources, we can combine them and inovate. 
Although Freedom has been our number one competitor since Dan and I 
started GW Micro in 1990, I've always had great respect for their 
engineers.  Okay, I've had questions about their corporate leadership, a 
certain lawsuit comes to mind (smile), but that was a completely 
different leadership team.  That was a different owner and a different 
CEO.  Vector has an outstanding reputation.  John Blake has shown great 
leadership and concern for the customer. Under this new leadership and 
available resources, I'm ready to take that and do whatever it takes to 
have the best possible solutions for our customers, for every low vision 
and blind person out there.

People may be concerned about lack of competition causing innovation and 
quality to suffer.  Nothing can be further from the truth. There is 
still plenty of competition out there, including free options but we 
have the determination and drive, starting at the corporate level all 
they way down to provide the best quality products, hands down.  Yes, 
this will take some time to prove but I'm hoping that everyone out there 
will give us that opportunity. Again, I'm putting everything I have into 
this venture and I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe in it.

Regards,
Doug
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: betrayal

Or televisions, or toasters or containers of yogurt.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:59 AM
To: Evan Reese; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Why have two Screen Readers?  

guess you could ask that of those few companies that make Soap, or
Breakfast Cereals.  

ever walk down the isle and see the shelves filled with so many
varieties of soap and Cereal, it is hard to find just plain old Corn
Flakes.  

-- 
Dave 

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

RE: wouldn't it be interesting

Hello
So way back in the eighties and mid-nineties my brother had a home movie
video store in Denver.  His rentals were a little higher than other places,
but they were in top condition.  With every movie you rented, you got a bag
of popcorn and either a soda or a candybar.  It was like going to see a
family member every weekend.  But then Block buster moved in across the
street and whammo, he went out of business.  Even though bB didn't offer
popcorn and the other stuff, people thought it was better to get more items
for less quality.  I know this is not the same at all, but it is.  Quantity
verses quality, unfortunately for us, that's how the world works. I am a WE
user because they, in my opinion, are better (quality)!
Veronica

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:56 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: wouldn't it be interesting

Sometimes, in a market like this the big guys have all the toys. These 
guys gotta keep the lights on.  It's sad, but that's how it goes.

On 6/14/2016 11:41 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> I think they allowed it to be taken over.
> If you can't beat them, you sleep with them.
>
> Darrell Bowles
> Assistive Technology Trainer
> Pelissippi State Community College
> 8656613917
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 11:41 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: wouldn't it be interesting
>
> Wouldn't it be interesting to hear what Doug and Dan think about their
life
> long work being taken over by the enemy?
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
>
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn
> .com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>
> For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40v
erizon.net.
> For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
0spinn.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

That is classified information, until such time as the ministry chooses to 
release it.
Most likely, they will not support two  scream beaters. And if it comes down to 
that, we know which one is going to go.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Veronica Smith via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, ok, I get it.  What I want to know, are they going to change Window
> eyes? Veronica  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:53 AM
> To: mattc...@verizon.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company
> 
> Hi Matthew and everyone,
> 
> Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
> parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:
> 
> http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Let me get this straight:
>> 
>> The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How 
>> are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
>> 
>> That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the
> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40ver
> izon.net.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h
> otmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/madison_tewe%4
> 0spinn.net.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

my take

2016-06-15 Thread Gayle via Talk

Hi, I don’t write to this list that often, However, I feel I need to write now. 
I’ve been using Window Eyes pretty much from the beginning. I’ve heard that 
when companies merge the quality goes down. I hope this doesn’t happen. Also, 
I’ve heard that companies outsource, the quality and also in some cases the 
language barrior happens. I’m very happy that GW Micro hasn’t thought of such 
things. I also like the fact that I can call and have quality help from a very 
capable staff. Thanks much for that and keep up the good work. Gayle 
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

V F O?

2016-06-15 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk

My hope is that this combination of companies will improve 
accessibility and not limit new development.


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: My Take On things.

One of the things that I've noticed with the new tech-support, is that I get 
responses to my emails that one in the morning my time. How in my supposed to 
deal with technical issues, when I don't even get a response during normal 
business hours?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Exactly. I bought my copy on the payment plan back in 2007. My concern with 
> this murger is that we'll see a drop in quality and an increase in price for 
> those who, like me, would prefer to purchase their software and have the free 
> tech support that entails.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:48 AM
> To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: My Take On things.
> 
> That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes.  Before then, I
> borrowed somebody else's.  But when the installment plan came in, I made it
> legal and bought my own.  The original computer was bought from a guy who
> used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it.  So, I had to
> choose something else.  And jaws was too expensive.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: My Take On things.
> 
> One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader
> back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could
> never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does
> not, and never has given people that option.
> Evan
> 
> -Original Message- From: Singing Sparrow via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: My Take On things.
> 
> First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
> cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
> dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
> dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
> two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if
> you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version
> of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never
> said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An
> SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.
> 
> Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
> best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
> second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.
> 
> Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
> can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and
> making the screen unseeable.
> 
> Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
> and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.
> 
> Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
> switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
> version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
> avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.
> 
> Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
> either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true
> but it is also an easy out.
> 
> Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
> about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
> screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one
> should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.
> 
> I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
> your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
> version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
> major changes that we might not like.
> 
> Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
> which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues
> but all screen readers always will
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com.
> For subscription options, visit
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit
>

Re: My Take On things.

Exactly. I bought my copy on the payment plan back in 2007. My concern with 
this murger is that we'll see a drop in quality and an increase in price for 
those who, like me, would prefer to purchase their software and have the 
free tech support that entails.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 5:48 AM
To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes.  Before then, I
borrowed somebody else's.  But when the installment plan came in, I made it
legal and bought my own.  The original computer was bought from a guy who
used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it.  So, I had to
choose something else.  And jaws was too expensive.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader
back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could
never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does
not, and never has given people that option.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if
you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version
of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never
said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An
SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and
making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true
but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one
should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues
but all screen readers always will


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12421 - Release Date: 06/14/16

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit

Re: betrayal

Most government programs, do not want to purchase window eyes, because jaws is 
all they know.
And odd comparison of that would be to say, that in professional wrestling, 
it's that thing that whole Cogan does.
Window-Eyes was always considered second  rate by the competition. And so, if 
the client need to screen reader, they were generally stuck with Jaws.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was talking to somebody about the government only buying jaws, and she 
> apparently looked up on a site to find out what the government would be able 
> to purchase.  Window eyes was listed on there, too.  I don't remember what 
> they call that contract, but even though they purchased jaws, they also had 
> window eyes on there.  My husband was trying to get them to buy window eyes, 
> but they wouldn't.  They said they didn't have a government contract.  It 
> turned out not to be true.  They just didn't want to do it for whatever 
> reason.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:15 PM
> To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: betrayal
> 
> Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
> thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
> opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
> the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
> price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
> goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
> who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
> solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
> allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
> etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
> US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
> modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
> Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
> as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
> use are essential for my work as a musician.
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
> 
> -
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12421 - Release Date: 06/14/16 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

I was talking to somebody about the government only buying jaws, and she 
apparently looked up on a site to find out what the government would be able 
to purchase.  Window eyes was listed on there, too.  I don't remember what 
they call that contract, but even though they purchased jaws, they also had 
window eyes on there.  My husband was trying to get them to buy window eyes, 
but they wouldn't.  They said they didn't have a government contract.  It 
turned out not to be true.  They just didn't want to do it for whatever 
reason.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:15 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: betrayal

Hi Guys.  I know that some of you guys are upset about this but here is my
thoughts on this.  As we all know, Window-Eyes has been denied its
opertunity in mainstreme blind related computer programs, meaning that in
the days of GWMicro, no agency would fund Window-Eyes even though it had a
price tag similar to JAWS.  As for NVDA, it's a great product as far as it
goes. However, there are business's and employment that I have come across
who don't like OpenSource. The reason is that they fear that OpenSource
solutions can affect their computers with virus's, spyware, etc. Thirdly, it
allows Window-Eyes to become embraced in schools, colleges, universities,
etc as for years it hasn't had a chance to become accepted in schools in the
US or in Canada. Also, there are also JAWS scripts that could easally be
modified to work with Window-Eyes. These include CakeTalking from Dancing
Dots, which I personally use in my recording studio to record music, as well
as the lime notation product to notate scores. All of these packages that I
use are essential for my work as a musician.

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12421 - Release Date: 06/14/16 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

That is what a monopoly is.
Freedom scientific, used to be three separate companies. Arkenstone, lazy 
engineering, and Henter  Joyce.


Serotek isn't so much famous for their screen reader, as much as they are 
famous for making all of their software work on multiple platforms.
They are also famous for the very many ways you could purchase their software. 
They are the only company, that do not have software maintenance agreements. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why wouldn't it be?  One company controlling all of the companies that 
> provide a certain thing, well, isn't that a monopoly?  Like good old Ma Bell? 
>  And no, I'm purposely not mentioning System Access or the other one, because 
> they are not the same thing.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: multi 85 via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:53 PM
> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: betrayal
> 
> Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
> wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
> universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
> Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
> company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
> and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
> antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
> will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
> Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
> Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
> new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
> innovation could become slower.
> We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
> least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
> alternative.
> The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
> with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
> don't end up with monopoly mega.
> 
>> On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:
>> Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
>>> to
>>> replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
>>> can
>>> barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
>>> spout
>>> in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any
>>> of
>>> you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
>>> accessible
>>> is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
>>> want
>>> to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
>>> compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
>>> than
>>> easier, no matter how you slice it.
>>> 
>>> Paulette
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: betrayal
>>> 
>>> Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
 Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.
 
 Darrell Bowles
 Assistive Technology Trainer
 Pelissippi State Community College
 8656613917
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
 Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
 To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 
 Subject: Re: betrayal
 
 I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
 Zoomtext
 and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
 one
 magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin
>>> and
 System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
 Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.
 
> On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
> you already know what is going to happen.
> virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
> when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
> you will pay there price or do without.
> it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
> look at what many companies have done. they

Re: My Take On things.

That's the only way I got my very own copy of window eyes.  Before then, I 
borrowed somebody else's.  But when the installment plan came in, I made it 
legal and bought my own.  The original computer was bought from a guy who 
used to sell high tech, and I got window bridge with it.  So, I had to 
choose something else.  And jaws was too expensive.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Evan Reese via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:13 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: My Take On things.

One thing I can say for GW Micro was that when I needed a new screen reader
back in 2007, GW Micro let me pay for Window Eyes on installments. I could
never have afforded it otherwise. As far as I know, Freedom Scientific does
not, and never has given people that option.
Evan

-Original Message- 
From: Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: My Take On things.

First of all I am not sure where the idea of SMA for Window Eyes is
cheaper than the SMA for JAWS. I had a choice of either paying fifty
dollars for the newest Window Eyes of buying an SMA for two hundred
dollars and getting the last update free. Window Eyes SMA is good for
two versions. JAWS SMA for two versions is one hundred eighty dollars if
you use citrix metaframe or one hundred twenty dollars for Home Version
of JAWS which is good for two upgrades. Freedom Scientific has never
said you pay for an upgrade between major versions or buy an SMA.  An
SMA for window eyes is two hundred dollars for two upgrades.

Second of all Window Eyes has gotten rid of what I thought two of the
best features were. The first is the creation of set files and the
second is to be able to use the Window Eyes mouse more proficiently.

Third JAWS runs more smoothly than does Window Eyes at this point. It
can also start up in Windows 7 without messing up the video display and
making the screen unseeable.

Fourth while there are still issues with Window Eyes crashing Explorer
and other programs JAWS does not seem to have that issue.

Fifth I have been a Window Eyes user for better than ten years. I
switched to it from JAWS and at that time was very pleased but since
version 9 there seems to be more problems that do not get fixed. To
avoid dealing with the crashes I did renew my JAWS to current.

Sixth As to tech support most of the time lately you get the same from
either company. "It is your computer" Ok so sometimes that could be true
but it is also an easy out.

Seventh It is fine to support a company but one also needs to be honest
about things. Right now my number one recommendation would be NVDA. No
screen reader will ever be perfect but when one pays for an SMA one
should be able to expect improvements that can be noticed.

I can understand why the deal was made. It is indeed about profit for
your products but maybe Window Eyes should never have had a free
version. Maybe we should have seen at that time there would be other
major changes that we might not like.

Hopefully both programs will be available so that a person can choose
which problems they wish to deal with. So yes JAWS does have some issues
but all screen readers always will


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com.
For subscription options, visit
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.


For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com



-
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4604/12421 - Release Date: 06/14/16 


___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: betrayal

Why wouldn't it be?  One company controlling all of the companies that 
provide a certain thing, well, isn't that a monopoly?  Like good old Ma 
Bell?  And no, I'm purposely not mentioning System Access or the other one, 
because they are not the same thing.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: multi 85 via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:53 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Are you sure Darrell? Even though I'm not exactly happy about this, I
wouldn't say it is a monopoly. We must just make sure that colleges,
universities and governments know there are alternatives such as SA,
Baum Cobra, Dolphin screenreader and NVDA. The problem will be if the
company or screenreader becomes totally dominant in the open market
and puts others out of business, but until then, is this really
antitrust? Of course, I'm not in the US or know your laws, but they
will argue there is enough competition as far as what I can see.
Won't trade commission be waste of time for whatever objective you want?
Maybe they must just merge and we see if there might be interesting
new products, although I think large companies, if there is only one,
innovation could become slower.
We maybe all upset or worked up now, but when the dust settles, at
least it isn't a giant with no alternative for those of us who want
alternative.
The only thing scaring me is, I hope Microsoft will then not just work
with this company and will work with the other screenreaders and we
don't end up with monopoly mega.

On 6/14/16, Darrell Bowles via Talk  wrote:

Rest of shored, I will be contacting the Federal Trade Commission.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Paulette Vickery via Talk
 wrote:

It was a sad day when Hims stopped making the Voice Sense. Now if I want
to
replace mine, I will have to get a braille display, whether I want one or
not.

About the swallowing whole of Aye Squared/GWMicro; it is so sad that I
can
barely think about it. I am beginning to think that no matter what we
spout
in public, blind people are slowed being screwed on many fronts. Have any
of
you guys tried to buy a stove lately? Finding one that is totally
accessible
is impossible. And now the competition between companies that say they
want
to sell to the blindness market and keep their needs in mind  has been
compromised yet again. Being blind these days is becoming harder rather
than
easier, no matter how you slice it.

Paulette
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Who knows, Hims-inc might be next. RJ



On 6/14/2016 1:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
Do not even mention those things. They are an abomination.

Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
Behalf Of multi 85 via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:02 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: betrayal

I am not one, but also funny for the users of magnifiers. I mean,
Zoomtext
and Magic both big names, now will innovation become less because only
one
magnifier? We still have small companies competing, brave NVDA, Dolphin

and

System Access. I wonder if any other hardware will come out to challenge
Hims and Humanware, since Pac Mate was dead failure.


On 6/14/16, net bat via Talk  wrote:
you already know what is going to happen.
virtually all schools,businesses use jaws. not window eyes.
when all the dust settles jaws will be the only screen reader choice.
you will pay there price or do without.
it won't be profitable for one company to support two screen readers.
look at what many companies have done. they usually look for companies
that are in trouble, buy them out for pennies on the dollar. then put
them out of business. to aquire there buildings and land.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: betrayal

Well now, remember guys this is assistive tech. Lack of cash flow will
make big deals look interesting.  Obviously GW Micro/AI Squared
couldn't get things done on their own. I hope this won't ruin the
quality of the products.  Remember, folks, free alternatives are out
there, and

they aren't half bad either.  Choices, folks, choices...


On 6/14/2016 11:48 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
It's worse than the Munich Agreement.


Darrell Bowles
Assistive Technology Trainer
Pelissippi State Community College
8656613917




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On

RE: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

2016-06-15 Thread Mike Pietruk via Talk

Karyn 

I doubt that anti-trust can come into play in this situation.  For one 
thing, there is no barrier to entry into the screen reader/equipment 
market other than it makes little economic sense for anyone to do so given 
the economy and the disincentives for entrepreneurship.  The other, given 
the first, is that these are struggling businesses that are just 
attempting to keep afloat.
If the Justice Department attempted to block this, all that would happen 
is that AISquared would likely fold not survive.
These are mergers and consolidations out of desperation more than anything 
else.
Keep in mind that when HJ and GW-Micro came into existence, we were at the 
beginning of the era of the dotcoms.
We are not now living in such a time.

I have a great need for Christ; I have a great Christ for my need.
 Charles Spurgeon

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:

> Darrell,
> 
> I would agree with that due to the anticompetetive nature of this so-called
> deal.
> 
> Hoepfully the Dept. of Justice will stop this one.
> 
> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
> Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
> 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
> Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
> machines.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/pietruk%40panix.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> 
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com.
For subscription options, visit 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
List archives can be found at 
http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com

Re: My thoughts on the buyout

I doubt it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:46 AM, Charles Adkins via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Karen. This was a financial move only as they all are. As 
> disappointing as it seems to me, I'm not going to get upset about it because 
> there isn't a damn thing I can do about it and prolonged stress is just 
> helping pay for my doctor's vacation. I find myself doing most of my work on 
> my phone anyway, and before the fanmail starts I am talking about my 
> situation and am in know way implying anything for anybody else. I will use 
> Window-eyes until I can't, and then I'll move on. I would like to see the day 
> when screen readers are no longer needed for anyone, and Zoomtext and such 
> are standard equiptment and you know what, I really think that day is coming, 
> hence this move. 
> I did live the first 50 years of my life and didn't even own a computer, 
> worked 2 and sometime 3 radio jobs, played with my kids outside, life was ok! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a feeling that possibly in the not-to-distant future, we will find 
>> the screen reader will become an outdated concept
>> 
>>> On 6/14/2016 11:59 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I've read all of the E-mails on the subject of the buyout of AI Squared, and
>>> that's what I think this is, with interst and  some anger. Anger because, as
>>> many have stated, we likely will lose Window-Eyes, something I'm not a huge
>>> fan of.  I know how to use this screen reader better than JAWS.  This is
>>> also what I have at work and God knows we don't have money to buy the other
>>> one.
>>> 
>>> I also am angry because I think customer service will suffer.  I've heard
>>> horror stories about that and am real concerned especially for those in the
>>> DeafBlind community who have communication challenges as it is.  Will
>>> customer service be patient in these situations?  I have my doubts based on
>>> what I know. Also, as companies get bigger customer service usually suffers.
>>> Just look at any company out there who has been swallowed up by another.
>>> 
>>> Will this drive upprices?  Unfortunately I think it will which means that a
>>> screen reader will be out of reach for many, especially if they need a
>>> Braille display.  This will hurt those in the DeafBlind community who do not
>>> qualify  for the National DeafBlind Equipmend  Distribution Program (NDBEDP)
>>> better known as I Can Connect or ICC.What are these people supposed to do?
>>> I don't have numbers so can't say exactly how many people would be affected
>>> in this way.
>>> 
>>> As someone stated previously, many businesses are afraid of open source
>>> software for security reasons. This means that JAWS could be the only source
>>> for the workplace which is not a good thing.
>>> 
>>> Will this kil innovation? I think that is likely as bigger requires more
>>> layers in order for a new idea to reach market and layers upon layers is not
>>> a good thing as that means more time which is the enemy of innovation.
>>> 
>>> As for antitrust concerns, I can see that being a concern due to
>>> anticompetitive concerns and monopoly.  However, I wil just state my
>>> concerns in this area and leave any expansion on it to legal experts among
>>> us.
>>> 
>>> I further think, as I believe my husband does, that this was done to get
>>> Zoom text as Mag-ic is not doing well for FS and they want into that market.
>>> 
>>> These are my thoughts for now.
>>> 
>>> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
>>> Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
>>> 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
>>> Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
>>> machines.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the 
>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>>> 
>>> For membership options, visit 
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
>>> For subscription options, visit 
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>>> List archives can be found at 
>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cadkins6739%40gmail.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>

Re: My thoughts on the buyout

2016-06-15 Thread Charles Adkins via Talk

I agree with Karen. This was a financial move only as they all are. As 
disappointing as it seems to me, I'm not going to get upset about it because 
there isn't a damn thing I can do about it and prolonged stress is just helping 
pay for my doctor's vacation. I find myself doing most of my work on my phone 
anyway, and before the fanmail starts I am talking about my situation and am in 
know way implying anything for anybody else. I will use Window-eyes until I 
can't, and then I'll move on. I would like to see the day when screen readers 
are no longer needed for anyone, and Zoomtext and such are standard equiptment 
and you know what, I really think that day is coming, hence this move. 
I did live the first 50 years of my life and didn't even own a computer, worked 
2 and sometime 3 radio jobs, played with my kids outside, life was ok! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a feeling that possibly in the not-to-distant future, we will find the 
> screen reader will become an outdated concept
> 
>> On 6/14/2016 11:59 PM, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I've read all of the E-mails on the subject of the buyout of AI Squared, and
>> that's what I think this is, with interst and  some anger. Anger because, as
>> many have stated, we likely will lose Window-Eyes, something I'm not a huge
>> fan of.  I know how to use this screen reader better than JAWS.  This is
>> also what I have at work and God knows we don't have money to buy the other
>> one.
>> 
>> I also am angry because I think customer service will suffer.  I've heard
>> horror stories about that and am real concerned especially for those in the
>> DeafBlind community who have communication challenges as it is.  Will
>> customer service be patient in these situations?  I have my doubts based on
>> what I know. Also, as companies get bigger customer service usually suffers.
>> Just look at any company out there who has been swallowed up by another.
>> 
>> Will this drive upprices?  Unfortunately I think it will which means that a
>> screen reader will be out of reach for many, especially if they need a
>> Braille display.  This will hurt those in the DeafBlind community who do not
>> qualify  for the National DeafBlind Equipmend  Distribution Program (NDBEDP)
>> better known as I Can Connect or ICC.What are these people supposed to do?
>> I don't have numbers so can't say exactly how many people would be affected
>> in this way.
>> 
>> As someone stated previously, many businesses are afraid of open source
>> software for security reasons. This means that JAWS could be the only source
>> for the workplace which is not a good thing.
>> 
>> Will this kil innovation? I think that is likely as bigger requires more
>> layers in order for a new idea to reach market and layers upon layers is not
>> a good thing as that means more time which is the enemy of innovation.
>> 
>> As for antitrust concerns, I can see that being a concern due to
>> anticompetitive concerns and monopoly.  However, I wil just state my
>> concerns in this area and leave any expansion on it to legal experts among
>> us.
>> 
>> I further think, as I believe my husband does, that this was done to get
>> Zoom text as Mag-ic is not doing well for FS and they want into that market.
>> 
>> These are my thoughts for now.
>> 
>> Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA,  karyn1...@gmail.com
>> Using WE   9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E.
>> 11 as default browser and Asuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with
>> Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Vipre Antivirus on boht
>> machines.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
>> 
>> For membership options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com.
>> For subscription options, visit 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
>> List archives can be found at 
>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
> 
> For membership options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cadkins6739%40gmail.com.
> For subscription options, visit 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
> List archives can be found at 
> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author 
and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.

For membership options, visit

Re: vfo