[OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error
On 28 May 2008, at 23:21, Bruce Cowan wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 14:11 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: Ahh, thanks. This version of osm2pgsql was installed via apt-get. Can we get an updated version on the multiverse servers? Due to Ubuntu's ridiculous bureaucracy levels, this wouldn't happen unless there's a major bug in the version that is in at the moment (and even at that they won't bother for something this little used). It won't work any more. Isn't that a major bug? Therefore, I have backported the version that is in Debian for Hardy, it is in my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~bruce89/+archive). -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM PostGIS DB with .osc files?
As far as I'm aware, there is no working code for this yet. Cheers, Andy PS - It's the kind of discussion better off on our development mailing list (dev@) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Ian Dees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone experimented with using the hourly, daily, etc. OSC files available on planet.openstreetmap.org to update their live PostGIS database? Ideally, I'd like to also kick off mapnik re-rendering of the tiles that have changed. I'm looking at it, but wanted to make sure I'm not duplicating someone's work. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Scotland and Wales are countries. Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised yet. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of Health and Social Sciences Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik
On 29 May 2008, at 10:35, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Steve Chilton wrote: Sent: 28 May 2008 10:01 PM To: Beau Gunderson Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik See example from UK: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~steve8/borders.jpg Border between countries England and Scotland is one way (actually probably several ways), tagged admin_level=2. Border between counties Cumbria and Northumberland is another way/ s, tagged admin_level=6. Implicitly the country border is part of the collection of ways that make up the Cumbria county border. There is only one border there, and there only needs to be one way. NB: If you want polygons for areas you probably have to post- process the data to compile them or use relations to group them. This issue comes up with quite a lot of tags. Bus routes for instance where you have more than one route reference running along the same way. In that instance I use a | between each route reference, could we not do the same for admin_level data? ie add all the numbers that are relevant, because in some cases perhaps lower ones do not exist for the location. I would have thought that bus routes would have been done by relations, with one or more relations for the whole route. It is then up to the renderer to deal with the relations appropriately. This means that you can enter more specific information about each route as part of the relation tags. It is highly unlikely that a bus route will go the same route for the whole route. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik
Steve Chilton wrote: Sent: 28 May 2008 10:01 PM To: Beau Gunderson Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik See example from UK: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~steve8/borders.jpg Border between countries England and Scotland is one way (actually probably several ways), tagged admin_level=2. Border between counties Cumbria and Northumberland is another way/s, tagged admin_level=6. Implicitly the country border is part of the collection of ways that make up the Cumbria county border. There is only one border there, and there only needs to be one way. NB: If you want polygons for areas you probably have to post-process the data to compile them or use relations to group them. This issue comes up with quite a lot of tags. Bus routes for instance where you have more than one route reference running along the same way. In that instance I use a | between each route reference, could we not do the same for admin_level data? ie add all the numbers that are relevant, because in some cases perhaps lower ones do not exist for the location. Cheers Andy Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Beau Gunderson Sent: Wed 5/28/2008 9:14 PM To: Steve Chilton Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik Please clarify one thing: any border that is both a state and national border should be tagged at the highest level (in this case national, admin_level=2) To me this sounds like there is just one way for the state/national border... but... and the state borders will come in too, with their appropriate style. This sounds like there are two ways, one for the state border and one for the national border. This seems to make the most sense to me given the second sentence quoted above. Beau On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logically, any border that is both a state and national border should be tagged at the highest level (in this case national, admin_level=2). Similarly in UK any border that is both county and country should be tagged at highest level (country, admin_level=2). That way all the country borders will show at designated zoom levels. When you move to a level that state (or whatever) comes in the country border will already be there (in its appropriate style) and the state borders will come in too, with their appropriate style. Currently there is an /Else filter which picks up borders that have no admin_level set, but it necessarily doesn't come in till higher zooms, which appears to the case for your example below. Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Beau Gunderson Sent: Wed 5/28/2008 8:42 PM To: Steve Chilton Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik The US national border with Canada is all tagged with admin_level=4, border_type=state, border=administrative... It also has the left/right countries (at least the bit I looked at in WA did). How should state borders that are also national borders be tagged? Does setting admin_level=2 fix the whole problem? As you can see, they're not currently visible at low zooms: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.83lon=- 118.46zoom=7layers=B00FF Beau On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest mapnik stylesheet has the National borders moved from coming in at z10 to coming in at z7. Now zooms to z6 show the borders as thin blue lines taken from the shape files, and then switch to OSM data at z7 using a slightly thicker purple line. Not all borders show, for one of two reasons - either they are not digitised or are not tagged appropriately. So, it would be useful if folk have a look at their own country/area at z7. Does in show correctly? If not: 1 - check whether it has been digitised. If not - is there a valid, non-copyrighted source for putting in the border alignment. 2 - check whether it is tagged boundary=administrative, admin_level=2. If not - change the tagging to that so that it may show. As a reminder, admin boundaries should be tagged for the admin_level that they are (at the highest level). Country/national borders are always admin_level=2. Internal borders should be tagged according to the suggested schema for that
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:00 PM, yellowbkpk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running postgres-8.3-postgis on a Ubuntu 8.04 system. I finished downloading the planet.osm file yesterday and started running osm2pgsql. When I woke up this morning, I had the following on my screen: osm2pgsql SVN version 0.08-20071112 $Rev: 4842 $ SVN is currently up to version 0.54 so I suggest you find a newer version. ... and it's probably worth your time checking your setup with a smaller extract (even just an osm file saved from JOSM) before trying the full planet :-) Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders - mapnik
In message !!AAAuAOKaD4mR3JBOrEpRon92nMgBANp/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This issue comes up with quite a lot of tags. Bus routes for instance where you have more than one route reference running along the same way. In that instance I use a | between each route reference, could we not do the same for admin_level data? ie add all the numbers that are relevant, because in some cases perhaps lower ones do not exist for the location. Well using ';' is more normal for such things, and people have indeed been doing that for admin_level. The problem is that it breaks the mapnik rendering as I understand things because osm2pgsql is only able to import one number into the database and depending on the version you have I believe it either fails completely on such multi-valued tags or just imports the first value and ignores the rest. What it should probably do in this case is to find the lowest value and import that, as mapnik will want to render the border in the most significant style. That might be expensive though. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM PostGIS DB with .osc files?
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Ian Dees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone experimented with using the hourly, daily, etc. OSC files available on planet.openstreetmap.org to update their live PostGIS database? Ideally, I'd like to also kick off mapnik re-rendering of the tiles that have changed. I'm looking at it, but wanted to make sure I'm not duplicating someone's work. Not actively as far as I'm aware. Martijn did some work to make the osm2pgsql slim mode work which you'd need for this; this results in tables for ways, nodes, and relations, as well as the standard feature tables. Then when importing the changes you have to keep track of which features in the feature tables need to change. Ideally you could create a new postgis table which defines the changed areas -- this could be used to determine which tiles need rerendering. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scotland and Wales are countries. Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or Hessen are. So while it's certainly an important thing to reflect on the map, the boundaries between the UK components (sub-countries?) shouldn't render the same as those between actual states. Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised yet. It has, but it's inaccurate. I've been correcting it in stages. But Juan is right - whereas it used to appear on the Mapnik layer, it has now vanished. I think the problem here is that there's great variety in how boundaries are currently tagged. I didn't originally tag the Irish border, so I haven't bothered to check whether it corresponds with latest thinking. BTW, Juan, you should probably avoid suggesting to Irish people that they live on a British island ;) Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
OSM's (official?) motto is your own map of the world. I guess I didn't quite understand it until today. Thanks for putting me wise ;-) Cheers, Lucas De: Tom Chance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 12:16 Para: talk@openstreetmap.org CC: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; Steve Chilton Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands France and Germany share the same currency, Iceland has no army, Australia and England share the same head of state, Scotland has its own Parliament with certain devolved powers that are different to Wales' elected Assembly. Then there's a difference between Britain, the British Isles, the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other national border. Tom On Thursday 29 May 2008 11:12:32 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Scotland and England share the same currency, army, head of state and parliament. Sweden and Norway do not share those things. Nobody thinks that difference should be visible in a map? Cheers, Lucas De: Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands Scotland and Wales are countries. Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised yet. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of Health and Social Sciences Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
2008/5/29 Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other national border. Well, in a UK context, NI is actually a province, and isn't Wales a principality? Either way, none of them issue their own passports or maintain separate EU membership, so you can't really claim that they are as separate from each other as countries that do have these trappings of statehood. I've just fixed the Irish border, which luckily presents no such dilemma, as it is an international border, even by non-UK criteria. It lacked admin_level=2. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Scotland and England share the same currency, army, head of state and parliament. Sweden and Norway do not share those things. Nobody thinks that difference should be visible in a map? Cheers, Lucas De: Steve Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jue 29/05/2008 11:20 Para: Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio; talk@openstreetmap.org Asunto: RE: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands Scotland and Wales are countries. Don't think the border between N Ireland and Rep of Ireland has been digitised yet. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Learning and Technical Support Unit Manager School of Health and Social Sciences Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio Sent: 29 May 2008 07:57 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
On 29 May 2008, at 11:41, Dermot McNally wrote: 2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dermot McNally wrote: 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scotland and Wales are countries. Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or Hessen are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom thinks it's a bit more than that. On the contrary - certainly in the case of Bavaria, which really was a country until 1918. But we've neatly illustrated the point. Non-Germans don't see why Bavaria would see itself as a country, even though it does. Non-British people (and, it seems, half of England) don't as a rule regard Scotland or Wales as countries on a par with, say, France. And as an Irish person, I've encountered my share of people who don't think my country is a real one either. Seemingly a lot of people seem to regard the UK as England. It's not the first time someone's asked me what it's like in England. Until about 6 weeks ago I was unable to tell them because I had never lived in England until then. Shaun But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales? Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dermot McNally wrote: 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scotland and Wales are countries. Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or Hessen are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom thinks it's a bit more than that. On the contrary - certainly in the case of Bavaria, which really was a country until 1918. But we've neatly illustrated the point. Non-Germans don't see why Bavaria would see itself as a country, even though it does. Non-British people (and, it seems, half of England) don't as a rule regard Scotland or Wales as countries on a par with, say, France. And as an Irish person, I've encountered my share of people who don't think my country is a real one either. But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales? Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within park
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got a situation come up, that i'm not sure how to map: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.9241lon=174.77611zoom=17layers=0B0FF this shows a park which is near the coast. it includes an area of water linked, by a man-made tunnel, to the ocean, wholly contained with in the park. previously, it was completely open to the sea - the motorway to the south since built on a causeway has cut it off, apart from the tunnel. therefore, the area of water is tidal, and hence is demarcated from land by the coastline how could this be mapped/tagged? initially, i tagged the coastline as layer=1 to make it show up on the renderers above the park (by default, park renders above coastline AFAICS). any ideas? should the lagoon be tagged as coastline as i have done, or is that stretching a point too far? i don't think the park stops at the water's edge, so cutting a hole in it is not suitable just tag it natural=water. You can add some random tidal=yes, water=salty kind of thing if you want. Whether something is coastline always gets a little fuzzy in places. this also brings up the question of what happens when a park (such as the great barrier reef) extends over an ocean/islands: does it obscure what is underneath? is there a way round this? I think this is a very different kind of park. You're no longer defining a physical thing, but a logical one. The rendering will have to take account of that, as should the tagging. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
2008/5/29 Dermot McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/5/29 Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other national border. Well, in a UK context, NI is actually a province, and isn't Wales a principality? Either way, none of them issue their own passports or maintain separate EU membership, so you can't really claim that they are as separate from each other as countries that do have these trappings of statehood. But they do have their own football teams which decides this issue. :D -- Lauri Hahne ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database. As for Wales and Scotland... well that's just an interesting perspective... it surely could have been England that declared independence?... anyway.. This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country, nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as admin_level 2 (national border). You try telling any one of those nationalities that they're not actually a country I'll stand well back when you do it. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database. It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706. This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country, nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as admin_level 2 (national border). You try telling any one of those nationalities that they're not actually a country I'll stand well back when you do it. The word country needn't be a stumbling block here. That's just language. In German, Land can mean Bundesland just as often as it means country. But we can't go tagging UK internal borders the same way as we do those of sovereign states, because it doesn't accurately depict reality. There are plenty of people in Ireland who would resent the Irish border being described as an international one, but sovereignty is a well understood concept that has to be reflected accurately on the map. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:09 +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote: On 28 May 2008, at 23:21, Bruce Cowan wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 14:11 -0500, Ian Dees wrote: Ahh, thanks. This version of osm2pgsql was installed via apt-get. Can we get an updated version on the multiverse servers? Due to Ubuntu's ridiculous bureaucracy levels, this wouldn't happen unless there's a major bug in the version that is in at the moment (and even at that they won't bother for something this little used). It won't work any more. Isn't that a major bug? Due to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates , you'd have to file a bug with the following information: * A statement explaining the impact of the bug on users and justification for backporting the fix to the stable release * An explanation of how the bug has been addressed in the development branch, including the relevant version numbers of packages modified in order to implement the fix. * A minimal patch applicable to the stable version of the package. If preparing a patch is likely to be time-consuming, it may be preferable to get a general approval from the SRU team first. * Detailed instructions how to reproduce the bug. These should allow someone who is not familiar with the affected package to reproduce the bug and verify that the updated package fixes the problem. Please mark this with a line TEST CASE:. * A discussion of the regression potential of the patch and how users could get inadvertently effected. After this, it has to go through a ~2 week verification stage. In other words, it's not worth the effort. -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Give it a few years, then it will be true. Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, surely there must be a more obvious scale. I suppose this has been mentioned before though. -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines
Mapnik has the coastline at low zoom levels so there must be some source for those. 2008/5/29 David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: David Groom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines Unless I hear that someone else has started it, I'll start uploading coastline for this area this evening. David Unfortunately I was not able to generate any coastline data. Due I believe to missing Landsat tiles for this area. I tried both the coastline upload, and lakewalker. Sorry David - Original Message - From: Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines Does anyone know how to get coastlines for Svalbard (http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=78.99lon=14.9 ), I know three people who are going there this summer so I was thinking of giving them a GPS for the trip. There is one guy who is going there by sea[1] so he will need a coastline to moor his ship. Svalbard mapping is in a sad state, perhaps the Polar bear likes cartographers too much. The i-cube sattelite images from OpenAerial ends at the norweigan cost, the Google maps coast line is of higher resolution that OSM but still very low res. Not even Norweigan maps of the area are easily available[2] [1]http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3203#p3203 [2] http://www.gulesider.no/kart/?ps=2companies=n=80.4676619527361s=75.9851782341589e=24.834321988076w=6.37208972333081panX=116panY=-77tool=panscrollX=0scrollY=0zoomFactor=undefined -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Lauri Hahne ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dermot McNally wrote: | | But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of | boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess | none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a | higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales? I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map to divide them. Legal purists may want different (or extra) tags in the database on the grounds that it's a completely different situation, but they could be rendered the same. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg+rxIACgkQz+aYVHdncI0KeQCg5TiY6CzGVhPCi8P+Vf9AmQam f4EAniZKu7dP40obhJ115MxVNOTxSWor =+A58 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] coastline within park
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got a situation come up, that i'm not sure how to map: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.9241lon=174.77611zoom=17layers=0B0FF this shows a park which is near the coast. it includes an area of water linked, by a man-made tunnel, to the ocean, wholly contained with in the park. previously, it was completely open to the sea - the motorway to the south since built on a causeway has cut it off, apart from the tunnel. therefore, the area of water is tidal, and hence is demarcated from land by the coastline how could this be mapped/tagged? initially, i tagged the coastline as layer=1 to make it show up on the renderers above the park (by default, park renders above coastline AFAICS). any ideas? should the lagoon be tagged as coastline as i have done, or is that stretching a point too far? i don't think the park stops at the water's edge, so cutting a hole in it is not suitable just tag it natural=water. You can add some random tidal=yes, water=salty kind of thing if you want. Whether something is coastline always gets a little fuzzy in places. this also brings up the question of what happens when a park (such as the great barrier reef) extends over an ocean/islands: does it obscure what is underneath? is there a way round this? I think this is a very different kind of park. You're no longer defining a physical thing, but a logical one. The rendering will have to take account of that, as should the tagging. Dave Parks are *always* logical things. Even the traditional kind--without some designation, they're just grassy areas (or trees). Some sort of translucent rendering would be cool... And no, I'm not volunteering to do it. ;-) Karl ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Update OSM PostGIS DB with .osc files?
On Wed, 28 May 2008, Ian Dees wrote: Has anyone experimented with using the hourly, daily, etc. OSC files available on planet.openstreetmap.org to update their live PostGIS database? Ideally, I'd like to also kick off mapnik re-rendering of the tiles that have changed. I'm looking at it, but wanted to make sure I'm not duplicating someone's work. I got part way through writing code to do it, but didn't have time to complete it. I did hear rumour that osm2pgsql might be gaining support in the future to do this (not sure how likely/soon that is). My experience has been that storing all the data in the DB can be very slow and use a lot of disk space, so fairly careful design of the database is needed. Also, I made the mistake of doing it in Python - I really think it needs to be done in C to get a decent efficiency. I'll be extremely interested in anything you can come out with though - it'd be very useful to be able to import the changes since it would allow minutely updates. You should also be able to calculate which tiles need updating while importing the changes, allowing the old tiles to be easilly expired and updated. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dermot McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database. It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706. This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country, nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as admin_level 2 (national border). You try telling any one of those nationalities that they're not actually a country I'll stand well back when you do it. The word country needn't be a stumbling block here. That's just language. Who says I was just talking about language? Nobody said (as in the current wiki page doesn't) admin_level=2 represents sovereign states recognised by the UN... or whatever the concrete definition is that you're getting at. It says country borders, such as the border between Austria and Germany. That's open to some interpretation, which may not have been the intention of the people writing the page, but there you go. In German, Land can mean Bundesland just as often as it means country. But we can't go tagging UK internal borders the same way as we do those of sovereign states, because it doesn't accurately depict reality. Depends what reality you're trying to depict :-). Again, I get what you're saying and would tend to agree when using the same definition you're using, but I'd still stand back a bit when trying to explain it Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Shaun McDonald wrote: Seemingly a lot of people seem to regard the UK as England. It's not the first time someone's asked me what it's like in England. Until about 6 weeks ago I was unable to tell them because I had never lived in England until then. Same thing with Sweden! Foreigners insist on using the Viking age (9th - 11th century) name Sweden / Schweden / Suede. Even the Icelanders who should know better say Sviþioð. But this refers to the middle section (Svealand) of the united kingdom of Svealand, Götaland and Wendes, known since at least the 14th century as Svea rike or Sverige. For heaven's sake, our nation's coat of arms carries the three crowns, as does our airforce and our national hockey team, to indicate that Sweden is the true United Kingdom, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Crowns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Air_Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_national_men%27s_ice_hockey_team Bloody ignorant foreigners! Stop calling us Sweden! -- Lars Aronsson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
BTW, Juan, you should probably avoid suggesting to Irish people that they live on a British island ;) Just imagine the protests at the State of the Map ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] not-in-map_features / poi-without-name
I haven't seen anything in the list but in the last few days I'm seeing a lot of points being labeled not-in-map_features or poi-without-name. looks to be bridges, golf courses, banks, even some type of roads Here are some links to the sort of thing I talking about http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.31405lon=-79.83582zoom=15layers=B00TF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.98958lon=-81.31327zoom=16layers=B00TF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.0014lon=-79.4617zoom=14layers=B00TF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.7588lon=-2.70008zoom=16layers=B00TF Did I miss a memo? Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using Osmarender to hilight Relation/Routes?
More progress made on this, and it's now in a working state. I checked changes into SVN lastnight and included some rough styles in the level 17 (only) features file. By default rendering is turned off, enable it by setting 'showRelationRoutes=yes' at the top of the features file. As every loves screen captures, here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Osmarender_with_relationroutes.png Know problems: 1) All nodes within a RelationRoute are rendered as 'stops'. Don't know how to match partial string (ie. 'stop_*') to mask out any non-stops in XSLT. With some work the features file can probably be cleaned up enough to enable RelationRoutes by default. Cheers, Mungewell. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] not-in-map_features / poi-without-name
You have the maplint layer on, click it off and it will go away. 2008/5/29 Andrew Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I haven't seen anything in the list but in the last few days I'm seeing a lot of points being labeled not-in-map_features or poi-without-name. looks to be bridges, golf courses, banks, even some type of roads Here are some links to the sort of thing I talking about http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.31405lon=-79.83582zoom=15layers=B00TF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.98958lon=-81.31327zoom=16layers=B00TF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.0014lon=-79.4617zoom=14layers=B00TF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.7588lon=-2.70008zoom=16layers=B00TF Did I miss a memo? Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Forgot to hit reply all ;) Shaun McDonald wrote: On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:57 +0200, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: According to Mapnik, Scotland and Wales have declared independence, and Northern Ireland is part of the Republic of Ireland. Did I miss something? Give it a few years, then it will be true. Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, surely there must be a more obvious scale. I suppose this has been mentioned before though. I thought people are using things like district, country, city, town etc for the boundaries, rather than a numeric value. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:boundary Is basically wrong - UK boundary should be admin_level=2 admin_level=3 should be used for the separate England/ Scotland/ Wales boundaries :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:26 +0100, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map to divide them. Legal purists may want different (or extra) tags in the database on the grounds that it's a completely different situation, but they could be rendered the same. For all purposes, this is probably reasonably accurate apart from the fact that one state has no devolution, 2 have devolution and one has further devolution. For the purposes of a map, the precise nature of the powers of each part are negligible. I suppose technically the USA is similar as each state has different powers available to them (or I think they do). -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
This discussion about the national status of England, Scotland, Wales and Ulster is very entertaining but is not going to reach a conclusion without another war. Personally I would give these countries the same status as states as they are effectively states within the United Kingdom or (with the exception of Ulster) Great Britain. This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier thread I kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be more prejudice than logic in the discussion) about the idea of numerically-based properties in the database mapped to human-friendly language in editors and viewers. Most of that discussion was about highways but similar arguments seem to apply to boundaries. I think most British mappers would be happier selecting from a boundary sub- menu of 'National', 'County', 'District', 'parish', with each choice invisibly mapped back to the appropriate numerical boundary type than with the clumsy 'boundary=administrative' 'admin_level=4' approach. In other countries/languages, other words would map to the same numbers. But isn't this democratic/anarchic approach to mapping great? I'm going to put a national/state level boundary around our village and name it Isle of Man, resulting in some worthwhile reductions in taxes and a free grandstand seat for the TT races next month :-) elvin ibbotson From: Shaun McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 29 May 2008 13:43:43 BDT To: Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands On 29 May 2008, at 13:31, Bruce Cowan wrote: Seriously, the number system for borders is rather strange, surely there must be a more obvious scale. I suppose this has been mentioned before though. I thought people are using things like district, country, city, town etc for the boundaries, rather than a numeric value. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Rendering boundary names?
Is it possible for Mapnik and/or Osmarender ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to render the names of adjacent areas alongside boundaries? e.g. for boundary=administrative left:county=Cambridgeshire right:county=Suffolk instead of just a line, we'd see (at intervals) Cambridgeshire +---+---+---+---+---+--- Suffolk I guess it doesn't matter much what it says after the left: and right: (which must be easier to deal with in Mapnik, I'd have thought), though if we (very reasonably) had on a single boundary boundary=administrative left:county=Cambridgeshire right:county=Suffolk left:district=South Cambridgeshire right:district:Forest Heath some concatenation would be required, e.g. Cambridgeshire / South Cambridgeshire +---+---+---+---+---+--- Suffolk / Forest Heath David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Rendering collisions in Mapnik
I understand Mapnik has some caption collision avoidance built in, yes? Can someone explain what the rules are? I ask because of this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.1988lon=0.4122zoom=14layers=B00FF You can see there's a series of small villages, Saxon Street, Little Ditton, Woodditton, Stetchworth dotted over the area, but the name of probably the most significant is missing, which is rather disturbing as it gives an incorrect sense of incompleteness. If you follow the road South West and then West from Stetchworth you come to a crossroads with the B1061. A point very close to that crossroads is Dullingham (as you can see if you either zoom out or zoom in one level). I'm guessing that the collision detection is giving preference to the B1061 label. Is this a deliberate precedence, or is it just which is seen first? If the latter, is it possible to implement a precedence. I think place names are considerably more important - especially if other place names are present - than the road numbers, which will generally be repeated anyway. And in general to have a hierarchy of which is rendered by precedence - e.g. the name of a primary road is more important than a tertiary and so on. Also for points, what about moving the caption slightly. Are you using some kind of grid of cells to decide whether an area of map is occupied by a caption? If so rather than abandoning it at first go, might it be possibly to try neighbouring cells in an outwardly expanding spiral up to some limit deemed too far? In this case it wouldn't matter a jot if the name Dullingham was shown 1mm further south. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Mapnik street name positioning
One more thing about Mapnik rendering, then I'll stop! Quite often streets change their names along their length. But the caption placement seems to put the names in the middle of a way. I wonder if it would be useful instead to put the name at either end of the way (unless it won't fit, in which case just one in the centre as now), and also repeat at intervals if there is plenty of room. Ditto refs. Concatenating similarly named contiguous ways and then deciding how to do the caption placement as a whole would be better still, but that's much harder, of course. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering collisions in Mapnik
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Mapnik has some caption collision avoidance built in, yes? Can someone explain what the rules are? Basically it's all down to the order in which things are processed by mapnik - the first thing it processes wins. That means that the order is controlled both by the order of the various rendering rules, which controls whether one type of object beats another, and by the order in which objects are retrieved from the database. I ask because of this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.1988lon=0.4122zoom=14layers=B00FF You can see there's a series of small villages, Saxon Street, Little Ditton, Woodditton, Stetchworth dotted over the area, but the name of probably the most significant is missing, which is rather disturbing as it gives an incorrect sense of incompleteness. It's a known bug that at the moment we don't order places when fetching them from the database so it is arbitrary which place wins in a case like this. We need to make osm2pgsql assign a z_order to place nodes and then retrieve them in order in the stylesheet. If you follow the road South West and then West from Stetchworth you come to a crossroads with the B1061. A point very close to that crossroads is Dullingham (as you can see if you either zoom out or zoom in one level). I'm guessing that the collision detection is giving preference to the B1061 label. Is this a deliberate precedence, or is it just which is seen first? That will be down to the stylesheet rendering road names before place names - changing the order of the rules is quite scary though and can have hard to predict consequences... Also for points, what about moving the caption slightly. Are you using some kind of grid of cells to decide whether an area of map is occupied by a caption? If so rather than abandoning it at first go, might it be possibly to try neighbouring cells in an outwardly expanding spiral up to some limit deemed too far? In this case it wouldn't matter a jot if the name Dullingham was shown 1mm further south. The ability to indicate that some names can be peturbed a bit to find space for them is something that would have to be added to mapnik itself - it is something that has been discussed because there are definitely cases where it would be useful. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
Surprised no one has posted this link yet: http://qntm.org/?uk A nice Venn diagram of the UK. :) Beau On 5/29/08, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dermot McNally wrote: | | But the clue here is that we're discussing the appropriate use of | boundary tagging, specifically a thing we call admin_level. I guess | none of us will disagree that Germany and the UK get to exercise a | higher level of administration than a country like England or Wales? I've always thought that England / Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland forming the UK are pretty similar to the 50 states forming the USA - I think it would be reasonable to use the same markings on the default map to divide them. Legal purists may want different (or extra) tags in the database on the grounds that it's a completely different situation, but they could be rendered the same. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg+rxIACgkQz+aYVHdncI0KeQCg5TiY6CzGVhPCi8P+Vf9AmQam f4EAniZKu7dP40obhJ115MxVNOTxSWor =+A58 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Svalbard coastlines
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 16:19 +0300, Lauri Hahne wrote: Mapnik has the coastline at low zoom levels so there must be some source for those. That would be from the vmap0 shapefile. The quality would be poor, but better than nothing. The entire Svalbard is only around 3000 points. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] presentation slides wanted
You can also get quite a few presentations at slideshare.net http://www.slideshare.net/search/slideshow?q=openstreetmap On 5/27/08, Stephan Schildberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a presentation, slide show made with Impress or similar alterable data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Islands in lakes
Hi All, Can anyone explain what's gone wrong here: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-15.756477951963221lon=-69.56994035747516zoom=12layers=B000F000F ? Following the discussions last week about how to tag islands in lakes so that they render properly, I've gone round and re-worked the tags for islands in Lake Titicaca (which disappeared in Mapnik this week, presumably as a result of a tagging error). To be sure I had got it right I sought out a similar feature set to examine the tags, and found this: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.873lon=14.822zoom=11layers=B00FF which is displayed correctly in both osmarender and mapnik. It seems that most of the tiles are now rendering correctly, but some of them are rendering inverted. I've had to mark a number of tiles as blank land or blank sea too (via informationfreeway.org, I presume pressing 'l' or 's' at zoom 12 has the desired effect?). I can't see how it can be an error in the track that marks the island, as part of it is rendered correctly. Any clues as to what's gone wrong? (The osmarender tiles at zoom 12 are all messed up in this area, I'm just concentrating on z=12 for now). Cheers, Donald When the winds of change start blowing, some people look for shelter. Others build windmills. -- Ancient Chinese Proverb. http://donaldallwright.blogspot.com __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Tagging] Request for Comments: Smoothness
Hi everybody, I request comments for the proposed key Smoothness: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Smoothness Rationale: Provide a very narrow, yet sufficient classification scheme regarding the physical usability of a way for wheeled vehicles. In my opinion, it is possible to adequately model this very important and broadly applicable property of ways (think of racing bikes, wheel chairs, skates, sports cars) by a very small set of values. The following table provides an overview of the proposed tags with an examplary set of vehicles. Please note that this proposal is *not* confined to this subset of wheeled vehicles. I rather propose that *any* wheeled vehicle perfectly fits into one of those categories, please correct me if I am wrong. Best regards Chrischan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error
After compiling osm2pgsql myself, I got it to correctly import. The next step (from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik) is to render, and when I run generate_image.py, I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./generate_image.py, line 46, in module view.save(map_uri,'png') AttributeError: 'ImageView' object has no attribute 'save' Something tells me I need to update one of the Python modules (because I installed them via apt-get), but which one? Thanks! yellowbkpk wrote: I'm running postgres-8.3-postgis on a Ubuntu 8.04 system. I finished downloading the planet.osm file yesterday and started running osm2pgsql. When I woke up this morning, I had the following on my screen: osm2pgsql SVN version 0.08-20071112 $Rev: 4842 $ Setting up table: planet_osm_point Setting up table: planet_osm_line Setting up table: planet_osm_polygon Setting up table: planet_osm_roads Reading in file: /mnt/planet-latest.osm.bz2 Processing: Node(237171k) Way(19252k) Relation(9k) Writing way(0k) Node stats: total(237171271), max(262574346) Way stats: total(19252201), max(24252860) Relation stats: total(9051), max(12553) VACUUM ANALYZE planet_osm_point; ALTER TABLE planet_osm_point ALTER COLUMN way SET NOT NULL; CREATE INDEX way_index0 ON planet_osm_point USING GIST (way GIST_GEOMETRY_OPS); CREATE INDEX z_index0 ON planet_osm_point (z_order); CLUSTER way_index0 ON planet_osm_point; GRANT SELECT ON planet_osm_point TO PUBLIC; VACUUM ANALYZE planet_osm_point; failed: ERROR: VACUUM cannot be executed from a function or multi-command string Error occurred, cleaning up Can anyone suggest a workaround? When I received this message earlier, I ran the individual SQL commands one at a time and they all worked, but Mapnik couldn't render using the database. I guess there was more data to import after this step. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Mapnik-Import-Error-tp17512349p17547787.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New kind of 3D maps.
3D maps of Stockholm was just released on the web, and my head just exploded. You need Java 1.5 http://hitta.se/3d/3d_splash.aspx check Jag godkänner villkoren If you can't see it, think of it as a highres Voxel landscape, with an even higher resolution texture on it. They do this by using aerial imagery, not laser. -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Islands in lakes
Sidenote: I'm sure I'm not the only person who has hit those keys on informationfreeway wondering what they did and messed up some tiles... Might be good to have a popup explaining things the first time you press one and then store that you've seen it in a cookie. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Donald Allwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Can anyone explain what's gone wrong here: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-15.756477951963221lon=-69.56994035747516zoom=12layers=B000F000F ? Following the discussions last week about how to tag islands in lakes so that they render properly, I've gone round and re-worked the tags for islands in Lake Titicaca (which disappeared in Mapnik this week, presumably as a result of a tagging error). To be sure I had got it right I sought out a similar feature set to examine the tags, and found this: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.873lon=14.822zoom=11layers=B00FF which is displayed correctly in both osmarender and mapnik. It seems that most of the tiles are now rendering correctly, but some of them are rendering inverted. I've had to mark a number of tiles as blank land or blank sea too (via informationfreeway.org, I presume pressing 'l' or 's' at zoom 12 has the desired effect?). I can't see how it can be an error in the track that marks the island, as part of it is rendered correctly. Any clues as to what's gone wrong? (The osmarender tiles at zoom 12 are all messed up in this area, I'm just concentrating on z=12 for now). Cheers, Donald When the winds of change start blowing, some people look for shelter. Others build windmills. -- Ancient Chinese Proverb. http://donaldallwright.blogspot.com -- Sent from Yahoo! Mailhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52418/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html. A Smarter Email. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands
This strand of the discussion (below) though echoes the earlier thread I kicked off (but gave up pursuing because there seemed to be more prejudice than logic in the discussion) about the idea of numerically-based properties in the database mapped to human-friendly language in editors and viewers. OMG is your brain mush? This whole nonsense is over what admin_level (a numerical tagging scheme) maps to. It's the perfect example of why numbering the bloomin tags doesn't necessarily actually solve anything. It's also the perfect example of how a global numbering system is utterly irrelevant given our ability to invent domain and ordering specific ones on a whim. Most of that discussion was about highways but similar arguments seem to apply to boundaries. I think most British mappers would be happier selecting from a boundary sub-menu of 'National', 'County', 'District', 'parish', with each choice invisibly mapped back to the appropriate numerical boundary type than with the clumsy 'boundary=administrative' 'admin_level=4' approach. Yes, I'm sure they would rather pick from such a menu. Mapping to the relevant boundary and admin_level tags should be trivial as the wiki page manages it. I'm sure implementations are welcome. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New kind of 3D maps.
I figured this was the next step in general ... time to get openvoxelspace.org or something On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3D maps of Stockholm was just released on the web, and my head just exploded. You need Java 1.5 http://hitta.se/3d/3d_splash.aspx check Jag godkänner villkoren If you can't see it, think of it as a highres Voxel landscape, with an even higher resolution texture on it. They do this by using aerial imagery, not laser. -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- anselm 415 215 4856 http://hook.org http://makerlab.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Overlapping Crossing ways
This is another Potlatch grumble - but it's not really Potlatch, it's the internet. I just found a whole lot (really, a lot) of overlapping ways with some really old data (Potlatch alpha before) buried under new versions from Potlatch v0.6a 0.8 - for instance, the M25 Junction 30 had 3 (three!!) layers of roundabout in places. 2 hours has seen most of it off... I wonder how much of other peoples' time I just deleted? I can't imagine this was done knowingly; I suspect that the redraw was sufficiently slow that it looked unmapped to a less experienced user, and allowed time to re-draw the ways before it showed up. Would it be possible to make it draw ways nodes BEFORE the aerial photography, so this can't happen is less likely? I had assumed that having to move from the map to the editor would prevent this, but I think folk are scrolling miles never seeing the rendered version. Maybe a slippy map under the photography? Or make it impossible to add any nodes until it's completely finished loading? I also had a good number of "High Road; Low Road" names to untangle, and a river to unplait. I do hope it stays done this time :) Mark ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] online routing service with osm data
i saw this today on the openmoko list, not sure why it wasn't announced here as well: http://www.openrouteservice.org/ it's a point and click routing service, using OSM data, pretty similar to google maps. nice interface, and pretty quick to come up with an answer the kicker for me is it allows routing for pedestrians, which generally have a shorter route than cars - cutting through malls, parks, against traffic on one way streets, etc ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik Import Error
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:50 -0700, yellowbkpk wrote: After compiling osm2pgsql myself, I got it to correctly import. The next step (from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik) is to render, and when I run generate_image.py, I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./generate_image.py, line 46, in module view.save(map_uri,'png') AttributeError: 'ImageView' object has no attribute 'save' Something tells me I need to update one of the Python modules (because I installed them via apt-get), but which one? Thanks! Does it work if you change that line to: save_to_file(tile_uri,'png',view) If so, then you are running mapnik 0.4 (or older). The current scripts assume that you are running 0.5 (or 0.5.1). Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overlapping Crossing ways
2008/5/30 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is another Potlatch grumble - but it's not really Potlatch, it's the internet. I just found a whole lot (really, a lot) of overlapping ways with some really old data (Potlatch alpha before) buried under new versions from Potlatch v0.6a 0.8 - for instance, the M25 Junction 30 had 3 (three!!) layers of roundabout in places. 2 hours has seen most of it off... I wonder how much of other peoples' time I just deleted? i had a similar problem near me recently. i had a lot of streets that had been 'helpfully' drawn, without tags, in small, unjoined segments. after i mapped the area in question, i merged all the relevant segments and tagged them as appropriate (all in potlatch, approx. version 0.9a i think). i was looking at the rendering the next day, and realised that when they'd been merged, a new long road had been created, but the original short pieces had not been deleted - not at all what i had imagined would happen, and surely not intentional. i guess this is what happened here with your m25 problems maybe we need an extra warning category in maplint, to indicate duplicate ways - i.e. using the same nodes and having the same tags? I can't imagine this was done knowingly; I suspect that the redraw was sufficiently slow that it looked unmapped to a less experienced user, and allowed time to re-draw the ways before it showed up. Would it be possible to make it draw ways nodes BEFORE the aerial photography, so this can't happen is less likely? I had assumed that having to move from the map to the editor would prevent this, but I think folk are scrolling miles never seeing the rendered version. Maybe a slippy map under the photography? Or make it impossible to add any nodes until it's completely finished loading? I also had a good number of High Road; Low Road names to untangle, and a river to unplait. I do hope it stays done this time :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver
Hallo, Ik zie dat de friese tileserver nu alleen noch de namen rendert die als * name:fy* in de database staan, dit was eerst anders. - Dit heeft nu tot gevolg dat alle namen die officiëel als fries en dus vaak in de *name* tag staan niet meer zichtbaar zijn. Ik heb in zulk soort gevallen ook wel een tag *name:nl *toegevoegd met de nederlandse naam, leek mij een consequente benaderingswijze. - Ook zijn er een aantal plaatsen waarbij de oorspronkelijke naam nooit is vernederlandst en waarvan de naam in het fries en nederlands precies hetzelfde is. - Verder zijn er heel veel straten die friestalige namen hebben. Het lijkt mij dus beter dat de tileserver als er geen aparte name:fy tag is de normale *name* tag laat zien (zoals het volgens mij lange tijd geweest is). Groeten Theun, ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Theun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ik zie dat de friese tileserver nu alleen noch de namen rendert die als name:fy in de database staan, dit was eerst anders. Sorry, onbedoelde bijwerking van de recente osm2pgsql upgrade. Bedankt voor de melding... over een dag of twee zal alles weer opnieuw gerendert zijn. Mvg, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver
On Thursday 29 May 2008 20:40:01 Theun wrote: Mogelijkheden volgens mij: - bug gefixt krijgen in Mapnik, ik neem tenminste aan dat een naam van een polygoon in elk geval binnen de grenzen van het polygoon getoond moet worden. - kanalen en vaarten onderverdelen in kleinere polygonen zonder grote bochten waardoor je grotere kans hebt dat de naam binnen het polygoon valt. - De naam weghalen bij het polygoon en een stroomlijn met naam toevoegen zoals in het voorstel voor het taggen van brede rivieren. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Theun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nog een opmerking over het renderen van de waternamen. Doordat de wateren vanuit de AND import polygonen zijn, ook alle kanalen en vaarten, komt de naam van een kanaal bij een wat bochtige tracé vaak heel ver van het water op de kaart terecht (tenminste bij Mapnik, osmarenderer neemt ze volgens mij niet mee). Moeten we hier wat aan doen? Zou heel goed kunnen dat hier een bug zit, heb je een voorbeeld? Mvg, -- Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/ ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] friese tileserver
On Thursday 29 May 2008 23:34:31 Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: heb je een voorbeeld? http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?zoom=16lat=52.07218lon=5.10864layers=B00F Merwedekanaal is dus niet de naam van dat bedrijventerrein, maar van het kanaal dat er langs loopt. Ik denk niet zozeer dat dit een bug is, maar meer dat er gewoonweg niets speciaals is gemaakt voor polygonen met een afwijkende vorm. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-de] Gute Relations-Erklärung
Hallo! Auch mit wenig Erfahrung sehe ich dies genauso. Gruß Ulrich 2008/5/29 Bernd Wurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo. Am Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Christoph Eckert: ich hatte sowas schonmal gebaut: http://christeck.de/stuff/routenrelation.png Wird auch gerendert, falls das von Bedeutung ist ;-) : http://tinyurl.com/4nlj8d Ich würde auch gerne hier ein paar Rad-Routen erfassen. allerdings bevor ich das anfange nochmal eine Frage nach der Vorgehensweise... Also wenn ich ein Rad-Route nach folgendem Schema habe: + Rad-Route / Straße +-+-- Straße / Rad-Route --+ Dann muss die Straße in 3 Teile zerlegt werden, damit nur der mittlere Teil in die Relation aufgenommen werden kann, oder? Ist das noch so? Gruß, Bernd -- Sigmentation fault ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Gute Relations-Erklärung
Ich würde auch gerne hier ein paar Rad-Routen erfassen. allerdings bevor ich das anfange nochmal eine Frage nach der Vorgehensweise... Also wenn ich ein Rad-Route nach folgendem Schema habe: + Rad-Route / Straße +-+-- Straße / Rad-Route --+ Dann muss die Straße in 3 Teile zerlegt werden, damit nur der mittlere Teil in die Relation aufgenommen werden kann, oder? Jep das ist so. Grüsse Rapahel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Hallo, die neuen Daten liegen an bekannter Stelle wieder zum Download bereit. Das gmapsupp.img ist mit qlandkarte zusammengefügt und sollte daher direkt in Ordnung sein. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Computerteddy -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik
Zitat von Raimond Spekking [EMAIL PROTECTED]: die letzte Aktualisierung der Mapnik-Karte (vermutlich gestern/heute Nacht) hat das Rendern von Plätzen ziemlich verändert. Siehe z.B. in Köln den Roncalliplatz / Alter Markt usw usf: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=50.940465161754325lon=6.958747164151058zoom=17layers=F0B0F Bisher waren Plätze in Mapnik nur durch ihre Außenkanten gezeichnet, nun fehlen sie komplett. Oder werden sie nur als Fläche gerendert, aber in derselben Farbe wie der Hintergrund? Bei div. Karlsruher Plätzen mit highway=pedestrian und area=yes und geschlossenem way vermisse ich schon länger eine Flächenfarbe... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.00921lon=8.395066zoom=18layers=B00FF Stephan- und Ludwigsplatz. Ich weiß nicht, ob mein Laptop-Display trügt, aber ich meine, pedestrian-Farbe der so getaggten Straßen und landuse=residential wären ganz oder nahezu gleich. Dann kann sich ein highway=pedestrian-Platz ohne Randlinie nicht vom Hintergrund abheben... Hat jemand zufällig einen higway=footway-Platz zum Vergleich vorrätig? :-) Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] osm-Karten offline nutzen
Holger Issle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was natürlich auch funktioniert ist GIS-Software! Du könntest die Shapefiles von der Geofabrik (http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe.shp.zip) in QGIS (http://www.qgis.org) reinladen Zeigt das geotagged images an? Läuft das unter Windows offline? QGIS ist ein _GIS_ wie der Name schon sagt und das Anzeigen georeferenzierter Images ist eine der Basisfunktionen von GIS Software! Und ja, das läuft natürlich auch unter Windows, sonst hätte ich das wohl kaum vorgeschlagen. Denn ja, ich habe den thread vor dem posten gelesen! Dass QLandkarte nicht unter Windows läuft war mir nicht so klar, ich dachte mir naiv QT = portabel, klar läuft das auch auf Windows. Sven -- This APT has Super Cow Powers. (apt-get --help on debian woody) /me is [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik
Zitat von Bernd Wurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Heiko Jacobs: Hat jemand zufällig einen higway=footway-Platz zum Vergleich vorrätig? :-) Das nicht, aber einen mit highway=residential. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=48.979837mlon=9.579198zoom=18layers=B00FT Ahja... Damit wäre wohl die Theorie widerlegt, mapnik würde überhaupt eine Flächenfarbe für highway=...-areas erzeugen...?! Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie Kartenansicht mit allen Briefkästen/ Telefonzellen in meiner Umgebung generieren?
Am Mittwoch 28 Mai 2008 schrieb Jens Herrmann: Hallo, angenommen ich möchte mir eine Übersicht aller Briefkästen/Telefonzellen meines Stadtteils ansehen, wie würde ich dazu vorgehen müssen? Derzeit werden Elemente wie Briefkästen nur in der vorletzten Zoomstufe angezeigt, ich möchte jedoch einen größeren Bereich als ein paar 100m abbilden. Der Übersicht halber möchte ich gleichzeitig auf die meisten anderen Elemente verzichten, also nur Straßennetz und Briefkästen haben. Wie stellt man das an? du koenntest dir auch die svn-version von gpsdrive mit mapnik-support installieren. dann hast du die funktionalitaet offline... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik
Hallo. Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Heiko Jacobs: Hat jemand zufällig einen higway=footway-Platz zum Vergleich vorrätig? :-) Das nicht, aber einen mit highway=residential. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=48.979837mlon=9.579198zoom=18layers=B00FT Der Name (Marktplatz) kommt aus der Area, der wird gerendert. Links drüber, der Ferdinand-Nägele-Platz ist ebenfalls ein (wie ich grade sehe falsch getaggter) highway=residential-Platz, auch da nur der Name, keinerlei Fläche. Gruß, Bernd -- Liebe macht Kind signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Historie algemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?
Zitat von TopSpotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Was wird mit den Teilen, die irgendwelchen Abrissgelüsten zum Opfer gefallen sind? Es liese sich dann ja kein Area bilden, wenn es kein geschlossenes Polygon ergibt. Ich würde sagen, das ist nur dann ein Problem, wenn man eine eher abstrakte Flächeneigenschaft (historischer Ortskern) unbedingt mit real (oder eben real nicht mehr) existierenden Bauwerken zwangsverheiraten will... Also existierende Stadtmauer als normales Bauwerk adäquat taggen. Mauerreste.. hmm... Mag jetzt nicht De:Map_features etc. studieren... Und ein Polygon für alter Ortskern drumrum... Hmmm... Irgendwie getaggt... Da fällt mir so spontan ein: Ein ganz neues Projekt wäre es, Stadtentwicklung zu dokumentieren oder noch allgemeiner historische Entwicklung von allem dokumentieren. railway=rail history:build=1910 history:disused=1966 highway=primary history:track=1512 history:secondary=1877 history:primary=1966 landuse=residential history:build=1877 landuse=residential history:build=2005 history:industrial=1877 landuse=residential history:build=1977 history:wood=- ... oder so ähnlich, mal auf die Schnelle laut gedacht. Und dann ein Renderer, wo man 1902 eingibt und man bekommt den Stadtplan von 1902... *träum* ;-) Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Historie algemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?
Am 29. Mai 2008 12:40 schrieb Heiko Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zitat von TopSpotter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Was wird mit den Teilen, die irgendwelchen Abrissgelüsten zum Opfer gefallen sind? Es liese sich dann ja kein Area bilden, wenn es kein geschlossenes Polygon ergibt. Ich würde sagen, das ist nur dann ein Problem, wenn man eine eher abstrakte Flächeneigenschaft (historischer Ortskern) unbedingt mit real (oder eben real nicht mehr) existierenden Bauwerken zwangsverheiraten will... Also existierende Stadtmauer als normales Bauwerk adäquat taggen. Mauerreste.. hmm... Mag jetzt nicht De:Map_features etc. studieren... Und ein Polygon für alter Ortskern drumrum... Hmmm... Irgendwie getaggt... Da fällt mir so spontan ein: Ein ganz neues Projekt wäre es, Stadtentwicklung zu dokumentieren oder noch allgemeiner historische Entwicklung von allem dokumentieren. railway=rail history:build=1910 history:disused=1966 highway=primary history:track=1512 history:secondary=1877 history:primary=1966 landuse=residential history:build=1877 landuse=residential history:build=2005 history:industrial=1877 landuse=residential history:build=1977 history:wood=- ... oder so ähnlich, mal auf die Schnelle laut gedacht. Und dann ein Renderer, wo man 1902 eingibt und man bekommt den Stadtplan von 1902... *träum* ;-) Gruß Mueck o weia, wenn das kommt dann wohl dem, der in Karlsruhe mappt ;-) Spass beiseite, es gibt ein Proposal für Stadtmauern, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/City_wall da fehlen m.E. halt noch Tore, aber ansonsten würde ich es schon begrüßen, wenn das kommt und auch gerendert wird (Stadtmauern sind nämlich ziemlich prägnant zur Orientierung und zeigen auch schön eine Entwicklung (welche Gebiete sind historisch innerhalb der Mauern und haben dementsprechend eine antike/mittelalterliche Struktur, was liegt ausserhalb und ist daher neueren Datums). Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Plätze in Mapnik
mapnik arbeitet schon seit einiger Zeit daran, die Plätze auch zu rendern, und seit 2 Tagen erkennt er jetzt auch highways, die als areas getaggt sind, allerdings fehlt momentan noch eine Renderregel, daher sind die Plätze derzeit in Mapnik verschwunden. (Diese Infos habe ich auch dem IRC von gestern). Es ist aber wohl jemand dran, der sich dem Thema annimmt. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt
wer es noch nicht kennt: http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS transportieren lassen. Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt
sorry, ist nur ein Projekt: http://biggestdrawingintheworld.com/drawing.aspx Am 29. Mai 2008 14:05 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: wer es noch nicht kennt: http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS transportieren lassen. Martin -- ___ Martin Koppenhoefer Via Bixio, 29 / Int. 20 00185 Roma Italia 41°53.664', 012°30.549' tel1: +39 06.916508070 tel2: +49 30 868708638 mobil: +39 389 6488991 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.koppenhoefer.com Hinweis: Diese Nachricht wurde manuell erstellt. Wir bemühen uns um fehlerfreie Korrespondenz, dennoch kann es in Ausnahmefällen vorkommen, dass bei der manuellen Übertragung von Informationen in elektronische Medien die übertragenen Informationen Fehler aufweisen. Wir bitten Sie, dies zu entschuldigen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mischgebiete
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: das steht zwar so in den features, an anderer Stelle steht aber amenity=bank und atm=yes und hier wurde schon öfters diskutiert, dass dies auch in den Mapfeatures durchgängig so geändert werden sollte. Wer da Zugang hat, kann es ja bei Gelegenheit mal machen. hab das mal so angepasst. grüße, fabian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Historie allgemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?
Zitat von Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: o weia, wenn das kommt dann wohl dem, der in Karlsruhe mappt ;-) Ach, ist ja noch übersichtlich, weil erst 1715 gegründet :-) Meine alte Heimat ist mit 1827 noch übersichtlicher... ;-) Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mischgebiete
hab das mal so angepasst. grüße, fabian danke ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mischgebiete
evtl. könnte man hier rechts noch eine useful combination ergänzen: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity%3Dbank neben atm=yes wäre ja auch bic=[Bank Identifier Code] eine useful combination. Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Historie allgemein, war: Re: Behandlung von historischen Stadtmauern?
Am 29. Mai 2008 14:12 schrieb Heiko Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zitat von Martin Koppenhoefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: o weia, wenn das kommt dann wohl dem, der in Karlsruhe mappt ;-) Ach, ist ja noch übersichtlich, weil erst 1715 gegründet :-) Meine alte Heimat ist mit 1827 noch übersichtlicher... ;-) Gruß Mueck genau, wenn man aber 2700 Jahre Geschichte in OSM nachbilden will, dann sind das mindestens mehrere Doktorarbeiten... Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt
Am 29.05.2008 um 14:05 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: wer es noch nicht kennt: http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/ il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS transportieren lassen. Hat er nicht! Das hat er inzwischen auch selbst eingestanden. Weiter als bis aufs DHL-Gelände ist er nicht gekommen. Flugpläne und Empfangsbestätigungen waren gefälscht. Aber auch so war es recht offensichtlich: * GPS-Empfang mit einem GPS-Gerät in einem Koffer in einem Container in einem Flugzeug? * Reisezeit war angeblich 55 Tage - welcher GPS-Tracker macht das mit? * Fliegt DHL wirklich riesige Schleifen über dem Ozean? (Zeit, Sprit, etc...) Gruß, Wabba ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Hallo Carsten, als begeisterter User Deiner wöchentlichen Karten für die Garmins möchte ich natürlich zuerst einen großen Dank loswerden. Tolle Arbeit! Jetzt aber doch noch eine Frage/Bitte: Erst seit kurzer Zeit gibt es auf openstreetmap.org einen neuen Layer namens Cycle Map. Da ich jetzt einfach mal davon ausgehe, dass sich das OSM-Projekt ausschließlich freier Geodaten bedient, die dieser Karte zugrundeliegenden Originaldaten also irgendwo frei zugänglich sein müssten, so fände ich es doch genial, wenn man die dort enthaltenen Höhenlinien auch in die Garmin-Karte einbauen könnte - im Idealfall als separat ein- bzw. ausschaltbarer Layer. Da ich im Gebirge wohne, wäre die zusätzliche Visualisierung von Geländedaten wirklich ein *sehr* brauchbares Feature. Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich signifikant ändern werden, wäre das u.U. ein einmaliger Arbeitsaufwand), bin aber überzeugt davon, dass ich nicht der Einzige wäre, der sich diese Erweiterung wünschen würde. Viele Grüße, Sebastian H. Carsten Schwede schrieb: Hallo, die neuen Daten liegen an bekannter Stelle wieder zum Download bereit. Das gmapsupp.img ist mit qlandkarte zusammengefügt und sollte daher direkt in Ordnung sein. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt
Hallo Martin, wer es noch nicht kennt: http://www.gizmodo.it/2008/05/26/il_disegno_piu_grande_del_mondo_grazie_a_dhl_e_ad_un_gps.html Werbung des Künstlers Erik Nordenankr für DHL. Er hat ein GPS transportieren lassen. Toll. 1. Fake 2. Was hat das mit OSM zu tun? Beste Grüße Simon Kokolakis ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] osm-Karten offline nutzen
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:56:19 + (UTC), Sven Geggus wrote: QGIS ist ein _GIS_ wie der Name schon sagt und das Anzeigen georeferenzierter Images ist eine der Basisfunktionen von GIS Software! Mancher solcher ja, aber eben nicht aller. Dass QLandkarte nicht unter Windows läuft war mir nicht so klar, ich dachte mir naiv QT = portabel, klar läuft das auch auf Windows. Tja, wie ich gelernt habe tut es das mittlerweile. -- Ciao, Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51) 90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm 95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!) cu @ http://www.issle.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt
On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:16:45 +0200, Daniel Schmidt wrote: Aber auch so war es recht offensichtlich: * GPS-Empfang mit einem GPS-Gerät in einem Koffer in einem Container in einem Flugzeug? Der Plastekoffer sollte nix ausmachen, und für so ein Projekt würde man das an eine Position mit Empfang legen. * Reisezeit war angeblich 55 Tage - welcher GPS-Tracker macht das mit? Mit genug Batterie? Meine iTrackU läuft auf 1000mAh ca. 18h, ergo mit ca. 75Ah machbar. Das wäre noch drin. * Fliegt DHL wirklich riesige Schleifen über dem Ozean? (Zeit, Sprit, etc...) Wenn Du das bezahlst, warum nicht ;) Allerdings scheint es mehr als unwahrscheinlich, daß das man das über Russland erlaubt bekommt. -- Ciao, Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51) 90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm 95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!) cu @ http://www.issle.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] POI und Track mit QLandkarte und JOSM
Hallo, ich habe gerade wie gewohnt meine POIs uns Tracks vom Garmin HCx per Qlandkarte als GPX-Datei gespeichert und wollte sie in JOSM laden, um dann zu mappen. Im Gegesatz zu vorher erschienen alle Punkte aber nur oben links in JOSM. Nach einigen probieren habe ich herausgefunden, dass QLandkarte (bei mir) seit neusten die Lon/Lat nicht mehr mit Punkt sondern mit Komma schreibt: Alt: wpt lon=9.070932324975729 lat=49.97072079218924 Neu: wpt lon=9,070932324975729 lat=49,97072079218924 JOSM scheint das nicht zu mögen. Hat noch jemand diesen Fehler? Gibt's 'ne einfache Abhilfe? Danke Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Hi, Sebastian Holler schrieb: zugrundeliegenden Originaldaten also irgendwo frei zugänglich sein müssten, so fände ich es doch genial, wenn man die dort enthaltenen Das sind meines Wissens die SRTM-Daten. Die sind auch frei verwendbar (public Domain?) Höhenlinien auch in die Garmin-Karte einbauen könnte - im Idealfall als separat ein- bzw. ausschaltbarer Layer. Innerhalb der Karten kann man doch nichts aus und einschalten? Falls sich die Karten transparent stapeln lassen im GPS-Gerät, dann ginge das zu machen. Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich Ich habe bisher noch nichts gefunden womit sich das automatisieren liesse, das ist für meine Kartenproduktion die Grundlage. Ich kenne nur den Weg in z.B. mapedit die Daten manuell einzufügen. signifikant ändern werden, wäre das u.U. ein einmaliger Arbeitsaufwand), bin aber überzeugt davon, dass ich nicht der Einzige wäre, der sich diese Erweiterung wünschen würde. prinzipiell ja. Ich fühle mich aber so nicht in der Lage das zu machen (wegen der fehlenden Automatisierung) -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Konflikt in JOSM
Hallo. Ich wollte grade bei unseren mehrfach gesplitteten Wäldern etwas ausmisten. Da ich gemerkt habe, dass ich einen relevanten Teil nicht beim ersten Download erwischt hatte, habe ich also nochmals einen anderen Ausschnitt heruntergeladen. Dabei hat sich erwartungsgemäß ein Konflikt ergeben, da ich ja viele Objekte schon verändert habe. Den Konflikt kann ich mit dem JOSM-Konflikt-Manager lösen. Aber JOSM weigert sich beharrlich, jetzt etwas hochzuladen. Ich bekomme immer Es gibt ungelöste Konflikte, die zuerst bearbeitet werden müssen. Aber das Konflikt-Fenster ist leer. Jemand ne Idee? Ist die gemachte Arbeit verloren? :( Gruß, Bernd -- Mein Computer kann 1000 falsche Daten in einer Sekunde sortieren. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] POI und Track mit QLandkarte und JOSM
Christian Hartnick schrieb: Hallo, ich habe gerade wie gewohnt meine POIs uns Tracks vom Garmin HCx per Qlandkarte als GPX-Datei gespeichert und wollte sie in JOSM laden, um dann zu mappen. Im Gegesatz zu vorher erschienen alle Punkte aber nur oben links in JOSM. Nach einigen probieren habe ich herausgefunden, dass QLandkarte (bei mir) seit neusten die Lon/Lat nicht mehr mit Punkt sondern mit Komma schreibt: Alt: wpt lon=9.070932324975729 lat=49.97072079218924 Neu: wpt lon=9,070932324975729 lat=49,97072079218924 JOSM scheint das nicht zu mögen. Hat noch jemand diesen Fehler? Gibt's 'ne einfache Abhilfe? Hab grade selber 'ne Lösung gefunden. Aufruf von Qlandkarte mit: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 qlandkarte Danke Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Konflikt in JOSM
Den Konflikt kann ich mit dem JOSM-Konflikt-Manager lösen. Aber JOSM weigert sich beharrlich, jetzt etwas hochzuladen. Ich bekomme immer Es gibt ungelöste Konflikte, die zuerst bearbeitet werden müssen. Aber das Konflikt-Fenster ist leer. Jemand ne Idee? Ist die gemachte Arbeit verloren? :( Hast du mal versucht die Daten zu speichern und dann von dort nochmals zu Importieren? Solch komische Effekte hatte ich auch mal. Allerdings hat sich das Problem von selbst gelöst indem der Strom ausfiel. Grüsse Raphael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich Ich habe bisher noch nichts gefunden womit sich das automatisieren liesse, das ist für meine Kartenproduktion die Grundlage. Ich kenne nur den Weg in z.B. mapedit die Daten manuell einzufügen. Ist nicht ein Google Summer of Code (GSoC) Projekt dabei die Daten brauchbar auf zu bereiten damit man bei den Fahrradrouten auch noch höhenangaben hat? Wenn die Daten für dieses Projekt übernommen werden können, dann geht dass anschliessend sicher auf für den rest der Nodes. Ich gehe jedoch davon aus, dass die beiden Datenbestände getrennt bleiben. Macht meines Erachtens auch Sin. Grüsse Raphael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 16:21:10 schrieb Raphael Studer: Nun weiß ich natürlich nicht, wie aufwändig mein Vorschlag in der Umsetzung ist (da sich die Höhenlinien jedoch kaum wöchentlich Ich habe bisher noch nichts gefunden womit sich das automatisieren liesse, das ist für meine Kartenproduktion die Grundlage. Ich kenne nur den Weg in z.B. mapedit die Daten manuell einzufügen. Ich ziehe mir immer von http://topomaps.dyndns.org/ tagesaktuelle Garmin-Karten mit Höhenlinien für gpsVP. Ist nicht ein Google Summer of Code (GSoC) Projekt dabei die Daten brauchbar auf zu bereiten damit man bei den Fahrradrouten auch noch höhenangaben hat? Wenn die Daten für dieses Projekt übernommen werden können, dann geht dass anschliessend sicher auf für den rest der Nodes. Ich gehe jedoch davon aus, dass die beiden Datenbestände getrennt bleiben. Macht meines Erachtens auch Sin. Grüsse Raphael Unbedingt. Trotzdem sollten wir für Fälle wie Dämme, Einschnitte (Straßen, Bahnlinien) und Brücken eine Möglichkeit haben, die Höhe per Node manuell anzugeben, da diese Objekte in SRTM (Auflösung 3 Bogensekunden) sicher nicht erfasst sind. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Talk-de Digest, Vol 22, Issue 177
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:37:43 +0200 From: Sven Gr?ner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Talk-de] L?SUNGS Vorschlag - D?rfer fl?chenm??ig taggen To: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed [..] Magst du deine Gemeinden in meine Welt-Struktur irgendwie einh?ngen*: http://osm.schunterscouts.de/relation-browser.php Gr??e, Sven * Ob daraus wohl ein guter Anmach-Spruch entstehen k?nnte ;-) Hi Sven, hi Liste, bisher bin ich die einzige Mappse, die ich kenne... Gibt es hier noch andere Frauen? (Ich mach mal ne Kategorie auf...) Lulu-Ann -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Talk-de Digest, Vol 22, Issue 177
Annette Thurow schrieb: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:37:43 +0200 From: Sven Gr?ner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Talk-de] L?SUNGS Vorschlag - D?rfer fl?chenm??ig taggen To: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed [..] Magst du deine Gemeinden in meine Welt-Struktur irgendwie einh?ngen*: http://osm.schunterscouts.de/relation-browser.php Gr??e, Sven * Ob daraus wohl ein guter Anmach-Spruch entstehen k?nnte ;-) Hi Sven, hi Liste, bisher bin ich die einzige Mappse, die ich kenne... Gibt es hier noch andere Frauen? (Ich mach mal ne Kategorie auf...) Lulu-Ann Ich denke nicht, am OSM-Stand auf dem Linuxtag ist eine weitere Mapse vertreten :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_at_Linuxtag_2008 Gruss, Elwood ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tilesathome - Upload
Am Donnerstag, 29. Mai 2008 17:27 schrieb Frank Gruender: Moin, ich weiss garnicht, warum ich [EMAIL PROTECTED] überhaupt noch laufen lasse. Stundenlang bekomme ich keinen freien Slot zum Uploaden und die Daten sind quasi schon veraltet, bevor sie hochgeladen sind. Aber ein Blick auf http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Credits/ sagt mir, ein paar Rechner laden locker - ich sag mal - alle 30 Sekunden Daten hoch. Kann es sein, die Max-Sleeping-Zeit bei diesen Kisten manipuliert ist? Hab meinen mal testweise runtergesetzt und hänge nicht mehr ewig im Queue. Hat jemand gleiche Erfahrung gemacht? Einige Leute betreiben ganze Renderfarmen. Die maximale Wartezeit ist ja 600sec = 10min; bei zwanzig Maschinen bedeutet das 1 Versuch alle 30 Sekunden. Kann also durchaus hinkommen... Grüsse, Elwood Grüße, Marc pgp36VPLgltE9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Talk-de Digest, Vol 22, Issue 177
Annette Thurow schrieb: bisher bin ich die einzige Mappse, die ich kenne... Gibt es hier noch andere Frauen? (Ich mach mal ne Kategorie auf...) Lulu-Ann Meine Frau Elma ist auch begeisterte Mappse. Gruß Christian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Hi, On Thu, 29 May 2008 16:51:40 +0200, Martin Simon wrote: Ich ziehe mir immer von http://topomaps.dyndns.org/ tagesaktuelle Garmin-Karten mit Höhenlinien für gpsVP. Sinnvoll wäre da einmal die Höhenlinien als transparente Karte zu erzeugen, und die dann im GPS über den normalen Karten anzuzeigen. Dann kann man die Linien auch an- und abschalten. Gehen tut das... aber fragt bitte nicht wie das zu tun ist. -- Ciao, Holger (GUS-KOTAL, GUS#1100, GRR#51) 90-92 Honda CB400 10 Mm | 93-95 Yamaha TDM 850 26 Mm 95-97 KTM 620 LC4 13 Mm | seit 97 BMW R1100GS 69 Mm (Die Renndrecksau!) cu @ http://www.issle.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tilesathome - Upload
On Thu May 29 2008, Frank Gruender wrote: Aber ein Blick auf http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Credits/ sagt mir, ein paar Rechner laden locker - ich sag mal - alle 30 Sekunden Daten hoch. Es kann ja auch sein, dass hinter einem Nicknamen auch mehrere Rechner hängen, die haben dann natürlich auch mehr Chancen sich zu einem Upload zu entscheiden. Kann es sein, die Max-Sleeping-Zeit bei diesen Kisten manipuliert ist? Hab meinen mal testweise runtergesetzt und hänge nicht mehr ewig im Queue. Hat jemand gleiche Erfahrung gemacht? Die ganze Slot-Verwaltung erfolgt afaik Client-seitig, da kann also beliebig manipuliert sein. Wobei die Lösung aber eher wäre den Server schneller zu machen, so dass mehr hochgeladen werden kann. Grüße, Till ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Presets Sport
Moin, ah OK, sorry, ich war auf Sport und dann die Sportart gegangen und konnte nur den Namen eingeben. Evtl. könnte man das so machen, dass man analog zu highways ein Menu Sport hat, dort kann man Stadion, Platz, etc. auswählen (analog residential, pedestrian) und dann neben der Namenseingabe die Sportart aus einem pulldown auswählen. Würde ich logischer finden, vor allem macht man dann alles in einem Rutsch. Oder in den jetzigen Sportpresets (unter Sport, nicht unter leisure) ein Pulldown ergänzen für stadion, pitch, etc. (am Besten mit pitch voreingestellt, kommt ein bisschen öfter vor als das Stadion). ich kann noch immer nicht so ganz folgen. Sieht das ganze so aus wie in der Abbildung unten[1] oder verwendest Du evtl. eine ältere Version? Gruß, ce [1] http://christeck.de/stuff/schbocht.png ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] die größte Zeichnung der Welt
Wie heisst der Typ richtig? Bei Erik Nordenankr findet sich diese Geschichte nur auf Italienisch, bei Erik Nordenank nur auf Französisch. erik nordenankar; hatte ja oben schon sein Statement gepostet, das hat er auch mit seinem Namen unterschrieben. Martin sorry, ist nur ein Projekt: http://biggestdrawingintheworld.com/drawing.aspx ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] PGP/GPG
Michael Bemmerl schrieb: Extras Konten /Konto auswählen/ OpenPGP-Sicherheit X Immer PGP/MIME verwenden So, das sollte jetzt funktionieren. Gibt es eigentlich auch eine Möglichkeit, den Passpharse zu speichern, damit ich den nicht jedes mal frisch eingeben muss? An den Rechner hierkommt eh niemand anderes ran. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] POI und Track mit QLandkarte und JOSM
Moin, Hab grade selber 'ne Lösung gefunden. Aufruf von Qlandkarte mit: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 qlandkarte ist aber IMO dennoch ein Bug: Qlandkarte ist an dieser Stelle nicht Locale-save. Könntest Du dazu einen Bugreport einreichen? Gruß nach AB, ce ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Presets Sport
Am 29. Mai 2008 20:05 schrieb Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Moin, ah OK, sorry, ich war auf Sport und dann die Sportart gegangen und konnte nur den Namen eingeben. Evtl. könnte man das so machen, dass man analog zu highways ein Menu Sport hat, dort kann man Stadion, Platz, etc. auswählen (analog residential, pedestrian) und dann neben der Namenseingabe die Sportart aus einem pulldown auswählen. Würde ich logischer finden, vor allem macht man dann alles in einem Rutsch. Oder in den jetzigen Sportpresets (unter Sport, nicht unter leisure) ein Pulldown ergänzen für stadion, pitch, etc. (am Besten mit pitch voreingestellt, kommt ein bisschen öfter vor als das Stadion). ich kann noch immer nicht so ganz folgen. Sieht das ganze so aus wie in der Abbildung unten[1] oder verwendest Du evtl. eine ältere Version? Gruß, ce [1] http://christeck.de/stuff/schbocht.png das sieht so aus. Besser (logischer) wäre es, wenn man entweder nur die Art (Stadion, Sportplatz, ...) oder nur die Sportart angezeigt bekäme, und das andere dann aus einem Pulldownmenü ergänzen würde, weil das ja kombinierte Tags sind. Anders rum: zum taggen von Sporteinrichtungen braucht man mind. 2 tags: einmal die Sportart, und einmal die Art der Einrichtung. Am besten, das wäre in einem Preset kombiniert (mit anderen sinnvollen tags wie Name). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] PGP/GPG
André Reichelt schrieb: So, das sollte jetzt funktionieren. Gibt es eigentlich auch eine Möglichkeit, den Passpharse zu speichern, damit ich den nicht jedes mal frisch eingeben muss? An den Rechner hierkommt eh niemand anderes ran. OpenPGP Einstellungen Passphrase für x Minuten im Cache behalten / Nie nach einer Passphrase fragen Würde ich jedoch trotzdem nicht machen. Das beste Passwort ist das, das nur mein Hirn weiß. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Worldfile vom 28.5.08
Hallo, also ich habe mal mit srtm2osm getestet und das funktioniert prinzipiell ganz gut. Allerdings sind bei mir die Höhenlinien immer in Fuss, obwohl ich in Metern angebe. Es muss aber gehen, da es schon diverse Karten mit dem gleichen Verfahren gibt. Ich habe es folgendermaßen probiert: srtm2osm.exe -bounds1 %minlat% %minlon% %maxlat% %maxlon% - step 20 -cat 400 100 -o %hoehenfile% -merge %osmfile% Dann noch mkgmap ausführen: mkgmap.jar --map-features=map-features.csv --latin1 --tdbfile %osmfile% Evtl. kann das ja mal jemand nachvollziehen und wenns funktioniert berichtigen. @Computerteddy: So in der Art müsste es doch auch automatisch funktionieren, oder? Einfach nur Deine Kacheln noch mit srtm2osm mit Höhenlinien versehen und dann erst durch mkgmap jagen... Gruß Stefan Holger Issle schrieb: Hi, On Thu, 29 May 2008 16:51:40 +0200, Martin Simon wrote: Ich ziehe mir immer von http://topomaps.dyndns.org/ tagesaktuelle Garmin-Karten mit Höhenlinien für gpsVP. Sinnvoll wäre da einmal die Höhenlinien als transparente Karte zu erzeugen, und die dann im GPS über den normalen Karten anzuzeigen. Dann kann man die Linien auch an- und abschalten. Gehen tut das... aber fragt bitte nicht wie das zu tun ist. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de