[Talk-hr] Unos lokacija za koje smo dobili podatke

2014-03-04 Thread hbogner

Danas na druženju je bilo riječi o rješavanju zaostataka.
Jedna od glavnih stvari je provjera unosa primjeljih podataka.

Trebali bi provjeriti i ucrtati sve što imamo prije nego krenemo tražiti 
nove podatke.


Što trenutno imamo su
banke:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3220458/dopusteno/erste.zip
Erste ima bankomate i banke pojedinačno u xml formatu

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3220458/dopusteno/hpb.zip
Hpb ima bankomate i banke pojedinačno u xls formatu

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3220458/dopusteno/zaba.zip
Zaba ima bankomate i banke zajedno u xls formatu

benzinske:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3220458/dopusteno/tifon.zip
Tifon je sve bilo ucrtano, ali treba provjeriti jeli se nešto promjenilo

INA nam je dala usmeno dopuštenje da kopiramo njihove podatke sa 
http://map.hak.hr/


To je sad ukratko što trebamo riješiti.

Pozdrav kartoljupci


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Re: [Talk-hr] Dopisi firmama za slobodno koristenje njihovih podataka

2014-03-04 Thread hbogner

Da nastavim temu.
Trebali bi složiti nekoliko dopisa državnim institucijama za pravo na 
korištenje njihovih podataka.


Ovdje je nešto prije početo pa je stalo.
http://sync.in/lYiePRhYBT

Svaka pomoć je dobrodošla.

Podatci koji nas interesiraju su sa
http://geoportal.dgu.hr/
https://geoportal.zagreb.hr/

Prvenstveno DOF podloge, zatim, kućni brojevi, nazivi ulica, objekti i 
slično što mislite da je interesantno...



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user

2014-03-04 Thread Ben Abelshausen
Hi,

Welcome to OSM! I hope you will find OSM to be an open and fun project.
Don't hesitate to ask questions and talk to other mappers.

For checking some of the data there are also some great maps here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ITO_Map

More in detail:

http://www.itoworld.com/map/124 (speedlimits)
http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/15 (cycling)

Happy mapping!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 The maps on osm.org do not show the max speed, lane information, max
 height, speed camera's and so forth. In this presentation
 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1F69PAR44JF3pBE1mBuv-8VaNmkyIOxxQhcAYEM_PuWo/edit#slide=id.pyou'll
  find a number of links to maps that show some of that information.
  With those maps you can also find out where the information is missing in
 your neighborhood.

 There are also 2 styles for JOSM that show that information while you are
 editing: Lane and road 
 attributeshttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/josmfile?page=Styles/Lane_and_Road_Attributeszip=1
 and 
 Maxspeedhttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/josmfile?page=Styles/Maxspeedstyle,
 see https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles for more information.

 There are also 2 styles for the cycling and walking networks. I think that
 the cycling network is rather complete, but need maintenance. That means
 check whether the nodes are still on the right spot, the routes are still
 correctly laid out. I've hear that the navigation is not always correct on
 a Garmin device because the street  cycleways are not tagged correctly in
 some case.

 The walking networks are far from complete. (see the maps in the above
 presentation).

 Also, the networks are broken sometimes by less experienced mappers that
 change the streets. A nice tool to find those problems is
 http://osma.vmarc.be/

 Walking and cycling network mapping are not the easiest thing to map. We
 have organised hangouts (video conferencing from Google) to explain this in
 the past. Unfortunately I don't have time the coming month to set one up
 with you. Maybe Jo (Polyglot) has some time to teach you the correct way
 of mapping.

 Have fun !

 regards

 m


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, ussa pa uss...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks Marc,

 Wow! awsome stuff !!
 A few things I'm really interested in:

 1 - Walking  cycling networks (field surveys required)
 2 - For car navigation I would suggest max speeds, lane information, access 
 rights (all of which requires field surveys)


 For 1, preferably the cycling part; 2 could be done altogether.

 I'm located south Ixelles, chee de Boondael, near av Guillaume Gilbert
 I switched to the cycling map, funny I see a lot of beer icons on the map
 ;-)



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New user

2014-03-04 Thread Jo
Hi Nyamuk,

I added you to my gmail contacts. This normally means you can see when I'm
online, if you want to do a Google Hangout session. I'm always ready to
help people to get started with JOSM, which is the only viable option once
you start working with route relations.

Polyglot


2014-03-04 6:03 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 The maps on osm.org do not show the max speed, lane information, max
 height, speed camera's and so forth. In this presentation
 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1F69PAR44JF3pBE1mBuv-8VaNmkyIOxxQhcAYEM_PuWo/edit#slide=id.pyou'll
  find a number of links to maps that show some of that information.
  With those maps you can also find out where the information is missing in
 your neighborhood.

 There are also 2 styles for JOSM that show that information while you are
 editing: Lane and road 
 attributeshttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/josmfile?page=Styles/Lane_and_Road_Attributeszip=1
 and 
 Maxspeedhttp://josm.openstreetmap.de/josmfile?page=Styles/Maxspeedstyle,
 see https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Styles for more information.

 There are also 2 styles for the cycling and walking networks. I think that
 the cycling network is rather complete, but need maintenance. That means
 check whether the nodes are still on the right spot, the routes are still
 correctly laid out. I've hear that the navigation is not always correct on
 a Garmin device because the street  cycleways are not tagged correctly in
 some case.

 The walking networks are far from complete. (see the maps in the above
 presentation).

 Also, the networks are broken sometimes by less experienced mappers that
 change the streets. A nice tool to find those problems is
 http://osma.vmarc.be/

 Walking and cycling network mapping are not the easiest thing to map. We
 have organised hangouts (video conferencing from Google) to explain this in
 the past. Unfortunately I don't have time the coming month to set one up
 with you. Maybe Jo (Polyglot) has some time to teach you the correct way
 of mapping.

 Have fun !

 regards

 m


 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, ussa pa uss...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks Marc,

 Wow! awsome stuff !!
 A few things I'm really interested in:

 1 - Walking  cycling networks (field surveys required)
 2 - For car navigation I would suggest max speeds, lane information, access 
 rights (all of which requires field surveys)


 For 1, preferably the cycling part; 2 could be done altogether.

 I'm located south Ixelles, chee de Boondael, near av Guillaume Gilbert
 I switched to the cycling map, funny I see a lot of beer icons on the map
 ;-)



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[OSM-talk-be] Name of : Node OR Way

2014-03-04 Thread Teddy
Hello,

When you put a name on a building :
it is preferable to tag name= and amenity=  in the way (area) OR add a node in
the middle of the building (area) with name= and amenity= ?

Ex - 2 hospitals :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.41756/4.45348
OR
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.40423/4.47852

Kind regards.
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Re: [OSM-talk] View data

2014-03-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

On 03/04/14 03:55, Morten Wang wrote:
 Is
 there any place to get this kind of information for OSM?  Would
 appreciate any help with this.

This data is certainly not readily available so would require an admin
to take the relevant logs, anonymize them for you in a suitable fashion,
and send them to you. Best way to get hold of admins is on IRC
(#osm-dev probably) but you're probably asking a big favour, especially
as filtering out a region from the logs is not straightforward.

Also, keep in mind that OSM meanwhile has a veritable CDN consisting of
lots of proxies around the globe so log files from multiple sources
would have to be combined to give you what you're looking for.

If you were to change your request to all map views that *originated
in* the US rather than all the map views *of* the US then that might
be bit easier since there should be one proxy serving the US most of the
time. But I'm on thin ice here since I am not one of the admins so
better go ask them directly.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-03-04 Thread Lester Caine

Bryce Nesbitt wrote:

What's unacceptable is taking an area where someone carefully and deliberately
mapped polygons, and wantonly gluing them, damaging what was done.


Is this happening often these days?

There were many instances in the past where 'new mappers' were tiding up their 
local area based on the 'macro' view of things, but in general we have got past 
that now haven't we?


Dave's original post was about a user who was doing this to his work, and as far 
as I am concerned the offending user needed to be handled as a 'vandal' !


Much of the discussion on the thread drifted off from the original question, 
although a general consensus on perhaps starting with the macro view and then 
creating fine detail later by pulling things apart seemed to be agreed. I've 
found a nice shortcut (G) in josm that certainly helps with that, but anybody 
reverting such additional data simply needs blocking until such time that they 
do accept it is vandalism?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-03-04 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 04/03/2014, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote
 That's not a good time to be mad.

There's rarely a good time for that :)

 If glued polygons are a valid mapping technique, they must be valid mapping
 technique at any time (initial entry or data maintenance).

 What's unacceptable is taking an area where someone carefully and
 deliberately mapped polygons, and
 wantonly gluing them, damaging what was done.

That's where we disagree after all :/ One of the driving idea behind
osm is continuous improvement. Highly detailed areas that have been
touched by a single mapper are probably the minority. Glueing landuse
nodes to highway nodes is only valid the same way that drawing a
generic squarre where you know there is a building of some shape is
valid. As an end result (fsvo end), glueing nodes is *not* valid, as
should be painfully obvious when checking against highres imagery.

I've repeated myself many times in this thread; more text would
probably not change entrenched opinions, so this is my last reply on
the subject. Go contribute instead.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-03-04 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 04/03/2014, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/03/2014, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote
 If glued polygons are a valid mapping technique, they must be valid
 mapping
 technique at any time (initial entry or data maintenance).

 What's unacceptable is taking an area where someone carefully and
 deliberately mapped polygons, and
 wantonly gluing them, damaging what was done.

 That's where we disagree after all :/

And... reading Lester's response, I realised I read too fast, we agree
after all. Sorry for the noise.

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Re: [OSM-talk] View data

2014-03-04 Thread SomeoneElse

Morten Wang wrote:

Hi,

One of my current research projects[1] looks at OpenStreetMap and 
we're interested in knowing the number of views for different regions 
in North America (with North America as defined by Geofabrik[2]).


and (apologies for stating what might be obvious but) it's difficult or 
impossible to get all views of the data - any logs from osm.org will 
miss anyone accessing the data from any other source - be it standalone 
maps on phones and other devices, maps rendered by other people, use of 
the data other than in maps, etc. etc.


Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-03-04 Thread Dave F.

On 04/03/2014 08:56, Lester Caine wrote:

Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
What's unacceptable is taking an area where someone carefully and 
deliberately

mapped polygons, and wantonly gluing them, damaging what was done.


Is this happening often these days?

There were many instances in the past where 'new mappers' were tiding 
up their local area based on the 'macro' view of things, but in 
general we have got past that now haven't we?


Dave's original post was about a user who was doing this to his work, 
and as far as I am concerned the offending user needed to be handled 
as a 'vandal' !


Much of the discussion on the thread drifted off from the original 
question,


Show me a thread that doesn't. :-)

although a general consensus on perhaps starting with the macro view 
and then creating fine detail later by pulling things apart seemed to 
be agreed. I've found a nice shortcut (G) in josm that certainly helps 
with that, but anybody reverting such additional data simply needs 
blocking until such time that they do accept it is vandalism?


Personally I'd like to as I've had disagreements with him in the past. 
However for now it's probably best if the changeset is just reversed. As 
I've said I've not used JOSM much or its revert tool. Is there someone 
with more experience willing to do it? Feel free to name check me 
(DaveF)  maybe a link to this thread (is there a public, read only 
version?) Changeset http://tinyurl.com/ndjzpkm


Thanks
Dave F.



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Re: [OSM-talk] View data

2014-03-04 Thread Morten Wang
Thanks for your replies, Fredrik and Andy!

I'll get on IRC tomorrow and see if I can get in touch with someone there.
 I'm aware that we might be asking for something that isn't possible, so
I'm only cautiously optimistic.  The usage of CDNs is a good point I hadn't
thought of, I've added a note about that, thanks!

Andy brings up a valid concern, something we've also thought about here.
 We'll of course have to take that into consideration in any analysis we do.

Thanks again!


Cheers,
Morten



On 4 March 2014 05:44, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 Morten Wang wrote:

 Hi,

 One of my current research projects[1] looks at OpenStreetMap and we're
 interested in knowing the number of views for different regions in North
 America (with North America as defined by Geofabrik[2]).


 and (apologies for stating what might be obvious but) it's difficult or
 impossible to get all views of the data - any logs from osm.org will
 miss anyone accessing the data from any other source - be it standalone
 maps on phones and other devices, maps rendered by other people, use of the
 data other than in maps, etc. etc.

 Cheers,

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[talk-au] Railway Station naming

2014-03-04 Thread David .
Hi, I have noticed some edits on the Werribee line (Victoria) adding 'Station' 
to the end of station names. Is this correct?
Thanks, David.

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 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:
 
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 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again. Just as I finished
 fixing some of them from last time...
 
 Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the talk-GB
 list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data Working
 Group involved to deal with him? At the least, I believe every one of his
 edits in Australia is bogus.
 
 I've checked the following:
 He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again. I can say with certainty
 that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities future plans.
 There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney that
 I believe is still in the planning phase.
 
 The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase (still
 not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.
 
 Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172
 
 There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be dangerous
 if they were actually built like that.
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse 
 li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:
 
  There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081
 
  Are they valid?
 
  Cheers,
 
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 Some don't read their email
 
 How about
 marking the things he is adding -
 under construction - so they don't apear on maps
 Nameing them Reiff14 READ YOUR EMAIL!
 Adding Note with the same as name...
 
 Note I've not used his actual 'name' .. but I'd think that may get through?
 There is a twitter account with that name ... and a mapmy person with 
 the same name too...
 
 
 
 On 16/02/2014 9:31 AM, Leon Kernan wrote:
  No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again. Just as I 
  finished fixing some of them from last time...
 
  Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the 
  talk-GB list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the 
  Data Working Group involved to deal with him? At the least, I believe 
  every one of his edits in Australia is bogus.
 
  I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again. I can say with 
  certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities 
  future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney 
  that I believe 

Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-03-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Jason,

I'll look into this

Thanks,

- Serge


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi DWG (CC talk-au list),

 Below is a segment of a discussion on talk-au regarding edits made by
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbief14.

 He is unresponsive to messages sent via OSM and continues to add and
 remove content that has been established as incorrect.  I am notifying you
 as users within the talk-au discussion have established some actions within
 his edits to be vandalism (with some rollbacks by users being re-added back
 in by this user).

 If you have any questions please contact the guys on the list and I
 apologise if you have been notified separately to my comms (no-one was
 nominated or volunteered so I just sent this message).

 Cheers,

 Jason


 On 16 February 2014 08:31, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I finished
 fixing some of them from last time...

 Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the
 talk-GB list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data
 Working Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one
 of his edits in Australia is bogus.

 I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with
 certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities
 future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney
 that I believe is still in the planning phase.

  The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase (still
 not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.

 Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

 There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be
 dangerous if they were actually built like that.


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
  wrote:

 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

 Cheers,

 Andy



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Re: [talk-au] Motorway edits in NSW / Vic

2014-03-04 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Jason,

My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. We went ahead and gave the
user a temporary block two days ago. It doesn't look like he's bothered to
log in since.

You mentioned that you and other have rolled back some of his edits. Do you
want to continue to do so (since you seem to be coordinating) or should I?

- Serge


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Jason Ward jasonjwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi DWG (CC talk-au list),

 Below is a segment of a discussion on talk-au regarding edits made by
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/robbief14.

 He is unresponsive to messages sent via OSM and continues to add and
 remove content that has been established as incorrect.  I am notifying you
 as users within the talk-au discussion have established some actions within
 his edits to be vandalism (with some rollbacks by users being re-added back
 in by this user).

 If you have any questions please contact the guys on the list and I
 apologise if you have been notified separately to my comms (no-one was
 nominated or volunteered so I just sent this message).

 Cheers,

 Jason


 On 16 February 2014 08:31, Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:

 No, he seems to be putting back his fake roads again.  Just as I finished
 fixing some of them from last time...

 Has anyone managed to contact him (I noticed several people in the
 talk-GB list were trying to) and is it time to get someone like the Data
 Working Group involved to deal with him?  At the least, I believe every one
 of his edits in Australia is bogus.

 I've checked the following:
  He's reinstated the Shepparton bypass again.  I can say with
 certainty that that road doesn't exist except in the road authorities
 future plans.
  There is also a Pacific Highway tunnel that's appeared in Sydney
 that I believe is still in the planning phase.

  The Adelaide northern connector is also in the planning phase (still
 not funded according to their website) and sure enough, he's made it
 complete.

 Look at this minor example:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/261508781#map=19/-37.56324/143.93172

 There is no justification for adding those ramps, which would be
 dangerous if they were actually built like that.


 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:49 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk
  wrote:

 There seem to be a lot of deletions in this and subsequent changesets:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20555081

 Are they valid?

 Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] OpenStreetMap hack day in TOG, Dublin next Saturday 8th March

2014-03-04 Thread Reg McCabe
Hi

Thanks for organising the workshop,

I put my name on the mailing list some time ago out of curiosity. I'm
involved in a local heritage group in south Dublin would be interested in
mapping key sites and also heritage trails. I'm wondering as a total newbie
if it would be appropriate for me to attend or is this for more experienced
mappers.

Appreciate if you could clarify and look forward to hearing back.

Regards

Reg


On 1 March 2014 23:10, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:

 Hi,

 TOG is basically in city-centre Dublin (technically the south west corner
 of city centre), so any accomodation in city centre would be walkable to
 TOG. Yes, the Radisson Blu basically overlooks TOG. :) There's a Jury's Inn
 not far[1]

 TOG has a a couple of parking spaces in our yard, but no gaurantees. First
 come first served. There's a public car park at Christ Church[2]


 If you're thinking of driving, TOG is ~10 minutes walk from Four Courts
 Luas stop[3], and there's a Luas Park and Ride at Red Cow[4]


 [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.34280mlon=-6.27073#
 map=17/53.34280/-6.27073
 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.34238mlon=-6.27024#
 map=17/53.34238/-6.27024
 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.34690mlon=-6.27364#
 map=17/53.34690/-6.27364
 [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=53.3169mlon=-6.3697#map=
 16/53.3169/-6.3697


 On 01/03/14 19:34, Dave Corley wrote:

 A quick look shows there is a Radisson Blu [1] next to Tóg [2]

 [1] http://www.radissonblu.ie/royalhotel-dublin
 [2] http://osm.org/go/es~R2aDy2?m=

 Dave





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 Can you make any recommendations on places
 to stay in the area close by?  Or if parking is
 available.?  It might be a better idea to stay
 overnight if the plan is to go for drinks after!
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Re: [Talk-br] Problema de usabilidade do editor de endereços do iD

2014-03-04 Thread John Packer
Bem, eu acho que o campo addr:housename não pode ser realmente considerado
como Complemento, justamente devido à existência dos campos addr:door,
addr:unit e outros.

Para mim, a tradução como Complemento era só uma solução temporária
devido ao estado do formulário de endereços do editor iD. Pois pelo menos
não colocariam o nome do lugar ou o nome da rua lá.

Veja a descrição de addr:housename:


 *The name of a house. This is sometimes used in some countries like
 England instead of (or in addition to) a house number. *

Quando fala *instead of (or in addition to) a house number*, eu não
acredito que seja o número da casa dentro do mesmo campo, mas dentro do seu
respectivo campo (addr:housenumber).

Eu acho que utilizar addr:housename como Complemento é criar trabalho
para outros corrigirem no futuro.

Atenciosamente,
João


Em 27 de fevereiro de 2014 12:09, Fernando Trebien 
fernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Annotation/Addresses (inglês) ou Endereços e Contactos/Endereços
 (português de Portugal) ou Anotação/Endereços (português brasileiro).

 2014-02-27 11:30 GMT-03:00 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com:
  2014-02-27 11:22 GMT-03:00 Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com
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  Os presets de endereço do JOSM ainda incluem esse campo, e não incluem
  os outros (addr:door, addr:unit, etc.).
 
  Qual preset que cria addr:housename?
 
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Re: [Talk-de] geplante Stromtrasse

2014-03-04 Thread Robert S.
2014-03-04 8:36 GMT+01:00 Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de:

 Liebe Stromspezialisten,

 wie kann man die geplante Gleichstrompasage Süd-Ost eintragen?


Zurzeit erstmal noch gar nicht!

Es gibt ja noch keine Stromtrasse. Es gibt erst einmal nur verschiedene
Trassenkorridore, die jetzt in einer Variantenuntersuchung gegeneinander
abgewogen werden. Und dann sind das nur Korridore von gut einem km Breite -
also viel zu ungenau für OSM.


 www.netzausbau.de
 http://www.amprion.net/netzausbau/gleichstrompassage-sued-ost-hintergrund

 Sinnvoll wäre, das Projekt schon in der Planungsphase zu rendern und so
 den demokratischen Prozess zu unterstützen.


In dieser frühen Projektphase sind die verlinkten Karten zur
Bürgerinformation ausreichend.
Und dem demokratischen Prozess wird mit einer öffentlichen Auslegung der
Planungsunterlagen im Planfeststellungsverfahren nach
Verwaltungsverfahrensgesetz Rechnung getragen.
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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Manuel Reimer
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com writes:
  Allerdings würde ich dazu tendieren das landuse=forest nicht im
  multipolygon zu verstecken sondern an die Untereinheiten zu schreiben.
  Ist meiner Ansicht nach dann für andere Mapper leichter nachzuvollziehen.
 
  Ist beides richtig oder ist eine Variante zu bevorzugen?
 
 wenn man es nicht ans Multipolygon schreibt, weiss man nur, dass ein Objekt
 aus Waldstücken besteht (die Relation), aber nicht, ob sich das Toponym auf
 einen Wald bezieht. An dem Objekt mit dem Namen sollte auch ein tag sein
 das sagt, worauf sich der Name bezieht.

Stimmt im Prinzip. Bevor ich aber irgendwelche Flächen ohne landuse
rumstehen lassen würde, würde ich hier die kleine Redundanz in Kauf nehmen
und ergänzend zum Multipolygon allen Untereinheiten noch ein
landuse=forest geben.

Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 4. März 2014 13:41 schrieb Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de:

 Stimmt im Prinzip. Bevor ich aber irgendwelche Flächen ohne landuse
 rumstehen lassen würde, würde ich hier die kleine Redundanz in Kauf nehmen
 und ergänzend zum Multipolygon allen Untereinheiten noch ein
 landuse=forest geben.



Im Prinzip ja, leider sind die Multipolygon-Relationen vollkommen
unberechenbar und interpretieren teilweise aus eigener Kraft, dass ein
tag nicht sein soll wo es ist (z.B. wenn man ein Loch hat, welches die tags
des Multipolygons hat, dann wird das als Loch gerendert und die tags des
Objekts werden offenbar weggeworfen, Beispiel:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263521637 auch ein Hinzufügen von
building:part=yes hat leider nichts geändert, es bleibt ein Loch im
Rendering).

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Peter Wendorff
Das liegt daran, dass zu viele zu lange Multipolygone falsch getagged
haben und die Render das als Fallback entsprechend angewandt haben.
Faktisch dennoch ein Bug und als solchen würd ich ihn auch behandeln.

Das Problem dürfte allerdings eher in osm2pgsql als an Mapnik oder dem
Kartenstil liegen - oder aber an dessen Konfiguration im
osm-default-style-Setup.

Am besten also:
Bug-report beim osm-default-style und bei osm2pgsql; entweder wird das
im style auf osm2pgsql geschoben, oder bei osm2pgsql gibt es eine
Konfigruation, um das umzustellen, und darüber wird das Problem gelöst.

Letzte und schlechteste Variante: Die Admins entscheiden sich bewusst,
den Fehler in Kauf zu nehmen und wollen das fallback für viele andere
Fälle beibehalten, in denen tatsächlich fälschlicherweise an inner/outer
die Tags der Relation drangepappt oder wiederholt worden sind.

Gruß
Peter

Am 04.03.2014 13:49, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
 Am 4. März 2014 13:41 schrieb Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de:
 
 Stimmt im Prinzip. Bevor ich aber irgendwelche Flächen ohne landuse
 rumstehen lassen würde, würde ich hier die kleine Redundanz in Kauf nehmen
 und ergänzend zum Multipolygon allen Untereinheiten noch ein
 landuse=forest geben.

 
 
 Im Prinzip ja, leider sind die Multipolygon-Relationen vollkommen
 unberechenbar und interpretieren teilweise aus eigener Kraft, dass ein
 tag nicht sein soll wo es ist (z.B. wenn man ein Loch hat, welches die tags
 des Multipolygons hat, dann wird das als Loch gerendert und die tags des
 Objekts werden offenbar weggeworfen, Beispiel:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263521637 auch ein Hinzufügen von
 building:part=yes hat leider nichts geändert, es bleibt ein Loch im
 Rendering).
 
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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 04/mar/2014 um 14:06 schrieb Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
 
 Die Admins entscheiden sich bewusst,
 den Fehler in Kauf zu nehmen und wollen das fallback für viele andere
 Fälle beibehalten, in denen tatsächlich fälschlicherweise an inner/outer
 die Tags der Relation drangepappt oder wiederholt worden sind.


das ist AFAIK der letzte Stand

Gruß,
Martin

PS: nicht falsch, das sind lediglich Varianten ;-)
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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Manuel Reimer
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com writes:
  Die Admins entscheiden sich bewusst,
  den Fehler in Kauf zu nehmen und wollen das fallback für viele andere
  Fälle beibehalten, in denen tatsächlich fälschlicherweise an inner/outer
  die Tags der Relation drangepappt oder wiederholt worden sind.
 
 das ist AFAIK der letzte Stand
 
 Gruß,
 Martin
 
 PS: nicht falsch, das sind lediglich Varianten 

Wenn am inner und am outer ein landuse=forest hängt, dann heißt das
zumindest für mich, dass der Wald durch ein anderes Waldstück unterbrochen
wird. Zum Beispiel könnte der größere Teil Nadelwald sein und der kleine
inner-Teil Laubwald.

... und vermutlich wäre das Multipolygon in dem Fall dann auch unnötig...

Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread chris66
Am 04.03.2014 13:49, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:

 Im Prinzip ja, leider sind die Multipolygon-Relationen vollkommen
 unberechenbar und interpretieren teilweise aus eigener Kraft, dass ein
 tag nicht sein soll wo es ist (z.B. wenn man ein Loch hat, welches die tags
 des Multipolygons hat, dann wird das als Loch gerendert und die tags des
 Objekts werden offenbar weggeworfen, Beispiel:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263521637 auch ein Hinzufügen von
 building:part=yes hat leider nichts geändert, es bleibt ein Loch im
 Rendering).

Das ist nie und nimmer ein valides MP. :-)

Wozu soll es überhaupt dienen, wenn das Gebäude keine Löcher hat?

Ich stimme allerdings zu, dass die erste historische Taggingvariante
für MPs (gleiches Tagging für inner und outer) nicht mehr unterstützt
werden sollte, da es ja der aktuellen Definition widerspricht.

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 4. März 2014 14:26 schrieb chris66 chris66...@gmx.de:


  Im Prinzip ja, leider sind die Multipolygon-Relationen vollkommen
  unberechenbar und interpretieren teilweise aus eigener Kraft, dass ein
  tag nicht sein soll wo es ist (z.B. wenn man ein Loch hat, welches die
 tags
  des Multipolygons hat, dann wird das als Loch gerendert und die tags des
  Objekts werden offenbar weggeworfen, Beispiel:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263521637 auch ein Hinzufügen von
  building:part=yes hat leider nichts geändert, es bleibt ein Loch im
  Rendering).

 Das ist nie und nimmer ein valides MP. :-)

 Wozu soll es überhaupt dienen, wenn das Gebäude keine Löcher hat?



es sind mehrere Gebäude, die zu einem zusammenkleben bzw. wo eines von
einem anderen umschlossen ist, unterschiedliche Stockwerkshöhen und ggf.
Typologie etc., macht also durchaus Sinn, wenn man das aufteilt. Abgesehen
von diesem Beispiel dürfte es auch noch andere Fäll geben, wo etwas um
etwas gleiches (im Sinne von bestimmten OSM-tags) herum liegt, also ein
Teil eingeschlossen ist, aber trotzdem nicht als Loch gerendert werden soll.

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Wolfgang Hinsch
Am Dienstag, den 04.03.2014, 14:33 +0100 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
 Am 4. März 2014 14:26 schrieb chris66 chris66...@gmx.de:
 
 
   Im Prinzip ja, leider sind die Multipolygon-Relationen vollkommen
   unberechenbar und interpretieren teilweise aus eigener Kraft, dass ein
   tag nicht sein soll wo es ist (z.B. wenn man ein Loch hat, welches die
  tags
   des Multipolygons hat, dann wird das als Loch gerendert und die tags des
   Objekts werden offenbar weggeworfen, Beispiel:
   http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263521637 auch ein Hinzufügen von
   building:part=yes hat leider nichts geändert, es bleibt ein Loch im
   Rendering).
 
  Das ist nie und nimmer ein valides MP. :-)
 
  Wozu soll es überhaupt dienen, wenn das Gebäude keine Löcher hat?
 
 
 
 es sind mehrere Gebäude, die zu einem zusammenkleben bzw. wo eines von
 einem anderen umschlossen ist, unterschiedliche Stockwerkshöhen und ggf.
 Typologie etc., macht also durchaus Sinn, wenn man das aufteilt. Abgesehen
 von diesem Beispiel dürfte es auch noch andere Fäll geben, wo etwas um
 etwas gleiches (im Sinne von bestimmten OSM-tags) herum liegt, also ein
 Teil eingeschlossen ist, aber trotzdem nicht als Loch gerendert werden soll.
 

Also wenn ich das MP richtig verstanden habe, dann gibt es 2
Möglichkeiten: entweder mehrere Outer liegen nebeneinander, ohne sich zu
berühren, oder im Outer liegt ein Inner, dass dann ein Loch bildet. Erst
innerhalb des Lochs kann es wieder ein Outer geben, dass ein Loch im
Loch darstellt und damit wieder zur Fläche gehört.

Ein Outer direkt im Outer ist AFAIK ein Fehler, sowohl nach
OSM-Definition als auch nach postgis.

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 4. März 2014 14:51 schrieb Wolfgang Hinsch osm-lis...@ivkasogis.de:

 Also wenn ich das MP richtig verstanden habe, dann gibt es 2
 Möglichkeiten: entweder mehrere Outer liegen nebeneinander, ohne sich zu
 berühren, oder im Outer liegt ein Inner, dass dann ein Loch bildet. Erst
 innerhalb des Lochs kann es wieder ein Outer geben, dass ein Loch im
 Loch darstellt und damit wieder zur Fläche gehört.

 Ein Outer direkt im Outer ist AFAIK ein Fehler, sowohl nach
 OSM-Definition als auch nach postgis.



+1
in dem Beispiel oben gibt es ein Multipolygon:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3538569
wo ein Gebäude als inner drin ist, d.h. dieses Gebäude ist nicht Teil des
Multipolygons.
Das Gebäude (geschlossener osm-way mit building=yes) selbst, um das es mir
geht, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/263521637
wird aber auch nicht mehr gerendert, eben weil es auch Teil des
Multipolygons ist (als inner), und osm2pgsql daher die tags wegwirft. Ein
outer im outer ist natürlich ein Fehler, da gibts keine Widerrede.

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread chris66
Am 04.03.2014 14:06, schrieb Peter Wendorff:
 Das liegt daran, dass zu viele zu lange Multipolygone falsch getagged
 haben und die Render das als Fallback entsprechend angewandt haben.
 Faktisch dennoch ein Bug und als solchen würd ich ihn auch behandeln.

Immerhin ist es im Wiki noch so definiert:

Sind Zeichenstil für innere und äußere Ringe identisch (alte Methode)
sollte der Zeichenstil für die inneren Ringe als nicht angegeben
betrachtet werden. 

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relation:multipolygon

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 4. März 2014 15:30 schrieb chris66 chris66...@gmx.de:

 Immerhin ist es im Wiki noch so definiert:

 Sind Zeichenstil für innere und äußere Ringe identisch (alte Methode)
 sollte der Zeichenstil für die inneren Ringe als nicht angegeben
 betrachtet werden. 

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relation:multipolygon



jup, steht nicht nur in der Übersetzung sondern auch in der Definition
(englische Version) so drin. Das macht die Sache allerdings ungeheuer
komplex, wenn bestehende tags auf einem way ignoriert werden, weil der way
in einer bestimmten Relation drin ist. M.E. ist der Schaden größer als der
Nutzen, gerade auch weil einfache Regeln (tags gelten für das Objekt, an
dem sie angebracht sind) es für jeden einfacher machen würden. Naja,
vermutlich muss ich lediglich noch eine neue Multipolygon-Relation mit nur
dem einen way als member erstellen, um osm2pgsql auszutricksen ;-)

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Re: [Talk-de] Wald aufteilen um Namen anzuzeigen?

2014-03-04 Thread chris66
Am 04.03.2014 15:42, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:

 Sind Zeichenstil für innere und äußere Ringe identisch (alte Methode)
 sollte der Zeichenstil für die inneren Ringe als nicht angegeben
 betrachtet werden. 

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relation:multipolygon

 
 
 jup, steht nicht nur in der Übersetzung sondern auch in der Definition
 (englische Version) so drin. Das macht die Sache allerdings ungeheuer
 komplex, wenn bestehende tags auf einem way ignoriert werden, weil der way
 in einer bestimmten Relation drin ist. M.E. ist der Schaden größer als der
 Nutzen, gerade auch weil einfache Regeln (tags gelten für das Objekt, an
 dem sie angebracht sind) es für jeden einfacher machen würden. Naja,
 vermutlich muss ich lediglich noch eine neue Multipolygon-Relation mit nur
 dem einen way als member erstellen, um osm2pgsql auszutricksen ;-)

Ja, das ist der empfohlene Work-around, also das inner-Polygon
als separates MP anzulegen.




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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Alessandro
Interessante articolo del Guardian di cui avevamo parlato qualche 
settimana fa

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/14/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap
qui la traduzione in italiano
http://blog.spaziogis.it/2014/01/10/perche-abbiamo-bisogno-di-openstreetmap/

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Re: [Talk-it] errore sito conf.openstreetmap

2014-03-04 Thread Francesca Santarelli
Grazie. Mi permetto di aggiungere allora che sarebbe buono non avere ancora
in home la passata edizione (specie come nome sito nell'header), se non
come rimando ad altra pagina;)

Buon lavoro a tutti

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Il giorno 04 marzo 2014 08:03, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 2014-03-04 1:43 GMT+01:00 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com:
  2014-03-03 20:20 GMT+01:00 Francesca Santarelli
  fsantare...@tropicodellibro.it:
  Non so se già lo sapete o se non si apre più solo a me:
  http://conf.openstreetmap.it
 
  ora funziona:
  http://conf.openstreetmap.it/
 

 grazie, per quello dell'anno prima?
 Giusto per informazione ho appena registrato osmit.it, se volete si
 potrebbe utilizzare per fare dei redirect ai vari anni della
 conferenza tipo 2013.osmit.it...

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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Francesca Santarelli
Grazie mille, continuate pure a segnalare, io mi studio tutto:)

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Il giorno 04 marzo 2014 09:16, Alessandro ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto:

 Interessante articolo del Guardian di cui avevamo parlato qualche
 settimana fa
 http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/14/why-
 the-world-needs-openstreetmap
 qui la traduzione in italiano
 http://blog.spaziogis.it/2014/01/10/perche-abbiamo-bisogno-
 di-openstreetmap/

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[Talk-it] R: Re: perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread ida . leone
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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread sabas88
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/magazine/googles-plan-for-global-domination-dont-ask-why-ask-where.html?from=global.home

Le accuse che vengono ad OSM attualmente sono due:
- lato utente: non abbiamo foto satellitari, street view, un geocoder di
livello e un portale integrato
- lato consumer: quella che cita Steve Coast nell'articolo sopra, per
rendere usabile da un navigatore i dati di OSM dovrebbero avere migliaia di
indirizzi e turn restriction in più, perchè sono la base per il routing
professionale (da cui anche questa considerazione che se tutti gli utenti
attivi inserissero 1000 indirizzi a capoccia avremmo fatto un grosso passo
in avanti http://osm.gryph.de/2012/12/1000-addresses/)

Ciao,
Stefano
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag www.prezzibenzina.it

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 04/mar/2014 um 08:46 schrieb Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com:
 
 non ero mai arrivato a fare un changeset
 così esteso e con così tanti elementi, ma ci voleva visto che mi devo
 preparare per l'import dall'Istat


per l'istat (come per tutte le modiche ) è meglio creare dei changesets 
abbastanza piccoli. Un changeset grande ha dei svantaggi rispetto a più 
changesets piccoli

ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag www.prezzibenzina.it

2014-03-04 Thread sabas88
Il giorno 04 marzo 2014 08:46, Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 piacere, quel key non mi era mai piaciuto comunque ;)
 attenzione però che ho rimosso solo 8 regioni...ero già oltre i 4000 edit e
 non volevo creare casini con un cambiamento in un unico changeset...già
 josm
 ci ha messo alcuni minuti a caricare tutto :(


Hai messo nelle opzioni avanzate il caricamento del changeset a segmenti?
Se lo metti a blocchi di 500 fai prima e hai feedback sullo stato del
caricamento... (sono arrivato a caricare 15k modifiche a questo modo)


 questo pomeriggio faccio il resto e se non ce la dovessi fare per domani
 sera, penso,  dovrei comunque finire.
 comunque sia per me è un record...non ero mai arrivato a fare un changeset
 così esteso e con così tanti elementi, ma ci voleva visto che mi devo
 preparare per l'import dall'Istat e dovevo vedere cosa riusciva a fare la
 mia rete ed il mio pc :)



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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Alessandro

Il 04/03/2014 09:58, sabas88 ha scritto:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/magazine/googles-plan-for-global-domination-dont-ask-why-ask-where.html?from=global.home

Le accuse che vengono ad OSM attualmente sono due:
- lato utente: non abbiamo foto satellitari, street view, un geocoder di
livello e un portale integrato
- lato consumer: quella che cita Steve Coast nell'articolo sopra, per
rendere usabile da un navigatore i dati di OSM dovrebbero avere migliaia
di indirizzi e turn restriction in più, perchè sono la base per il
routing professionale (da cui anche questa considerazione che se tutti
gli utenti attivi inserissero 1000 indirizzi a capoccia avremmo fatto un
grosso passo in avanti http://osm.gryph.de/2012/12/1000-addresses/)



Qui stiamo finendo OT ma voglio replicare:
perchè non riprendiamo l'attività del mese che avevamo proposto un 
paio d'anni fa per migliorare la qualità? Io per primo faccio outing 
confessando che non ho mai mappato i turn restriction perchè avevo paura 
di fare casino. SHAME ON ME!!

Perlomeno circa un migliaio di indirizzi l'ho inserito.

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

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Re: [Talk-it] Tag www.prezzibenzina.it

2014-03-04 Thread Aury88
no...quelle opzioni erano tra le cose che mi ero ripromesso di guardare bene,
ma non ho mai avuto tempo :( 
ora che lo so userò da ora in poi questo metodo di caricamento.
grazie mille!

è sorprendente dopo due anni quanto sia ancora niubbo sotto molti (troppi)
aspetti XD

saluti,
Aury



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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Aury88
sabas88 wrote
 http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/magazine/googles-plan-for-global-domination-dont-ask-why-ask-where.html?from=global.home
 
 Le accuse che vengono ad OSM attualmente sono due:
 - lato utente: non abbiamo foto satellitari, street view, un geocoder di
 livello e un portale integrato
 - lato consumer: quella che cita Steve Coast nell'articolo sopra, per
 rendere usabile da un navigatore i dati di OSM dovrebbero avere migliaia
 di
 indirizzi e turn restriction in più, perchè sono la base per il routing
 professionale (da cui anche questa considerazione che se tutti gli utenti
 attivi inserissero 1000 indirizzi a capoccia avremmo fatto un grosso passo
 in avanti http://osm.gryph.de/2012/12/1000-addresses/)

OTdal punto di vista del numero di numeri civici secondo me abbiamo già
quasi raggiunto google (almeno per quanto concerne l'inserimento diretto,
quindi escludendo tutte le attività commerciali che autonomamente caricano i
propri dati, e conseguentemente l'indirizzo, su googlemap). il problema è
che googlemap utilizza metodi di interpolazione per cui da pochi civici è in
grado di stimare la posizione di quelli mancanti...lato utente sembra essere
quindi molto più completo, ma spesso sbaglia anche di parecchio (da me
addirittura segna un civico inesistente).
comunque sia la situazione in italia potrebbe diventare grossomodo alla pari
con google se l'istat dovesse effettivamente rilasciare i civici
georeferenziati.
per le turn restriction in italia non dovremmo essere messi
malissimo...credo che le turn restriction mancanti e che potrebbero dare
problemi nel routing, in buona parte, siano state sistemate grazie anche a
tutti i tool/script creati da voi..
quindi secondo me il grosso dei problemi in italia sia solo a livello di
servizi dati all'utente (al posto di streetview onestamente preferisco la
visione panoramica di Bing o meglio quella 3D di Here!, ma onestamente credo
che questi servizi non verranno mai integrai sulla mappa nel sito ufficiale
di osm.org)
/OT
saluti,
Aury




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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread girarsi_liste
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Il 04/03/2014 10:13, Alessandro ha scritto:
 Il 04/03/2014 09:58, sabas88 ha scritto:
 
 - lato consumer: quella che cita Steve Coast nell'articolo sopra,
 per rendere usabile da un navigatore i dati di OSM dovrebbero
 avere migliaia di indirizzi e turn restriction in più, perchè
 sono la base per il routing professionale (da cui anche questa
 considerazione che se tutti gli utenti attivi inserissero 1000
 indirizzi a capoccia avremmo fatto un grosso passo in avanti
 http://osm.gryph.de/2012/12/1000-addresses/)
 

Ma i navigatori hanno degli standard a cui riferirsi per poter fare un
routing del genere? od ognuno fa il suo?

Perchè se è vero che abbiamo problemi con le mancate restrictions,
poi non abbiamo un riferimento valido per cui creare tag appositi od
adattarli al sistema standard (se c'è) dei navigatori.
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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread sabas88
Il giorno 04 marzo 2014 11:06, girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

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 Il 04/03/2014 10:13, Alessandro ha scritto:
  Il 04/03/2014 09:58, sabas88 ha scritto:
 
  - lato consumer: quella che cita Steve Coast nell'articolo sopra,
  per rendere usabile da un navigatore i dati di OSM dovrebbero
  avere migliaia di indirizzi e turn restriction in più, perchè
  sono la base per il routing professionale (da cui anche questa
  considerazione che se tutti gli utenti attivi inserissero 1000
  indirizzi a capoccia avremmo fatto un grosso passo in avanti
  http://osm.gryph.de/2012/12/1000-addresses/)
 

 Ma i navigatori hanno degli standard a cui riferirsi per poter fare un
 routing del genere? od ognuno fa il suo?


Teoricamente dovrebbero tutti adeguarsi al supporto delle relazioni come
definite sulla wiki, ovvero (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Types_of_relation)
- routes http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route
- turn restriction http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Turn_restrictions
- enforcement http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement


 Perchè se è vero che abbiamo problemi con le mancate restrictions,
 poi non abbiamo un riferimento valido per cui creare tag appositi od
 adattarli al sistema standard (se c'è) dei navigatori.
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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Aury88
credo che debbano essere i programmi di routing ad adattarsi al nostro
sistema di tagging altrimenti dovremmo fare l'assurdità di creare metodi e
tag ridondanti per coprire i vari produttori. al limite saranno i
produttori, una volta scaricato il db, ad apportare le eventuali modificare
ai dati per adattarli ai propri applicativi...



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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-04 11:06 GMT+01:00 girarsi_liste liste.gira...@gmail.com:

 Perchè se è vero che abbiamo problemi con le mancate restrictions,
 poi non abbiamo un riferimento valido per cui creare tag appositi od
 adattarli al sistema standard (se c'è) dei navigatori.



è probabilmente vero che abbiamo un problema con le mancate turn
restrictions, ma non è un problema a livello di tags o strutture mancanti,
ma una mancanza della loro applicazione. I turn restrictions sono mappati
con delle relazioni type=restriction e restriction=only_ / no_ left_turn
right_turn straight_on
Qualsiasi motore di routing / navigatore potrebbe poi convertire questi
dati al suo di sistema / formato, come lo fanno anche per gli altri oggetti
(per esempio strade).

ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Hartman
Due grossi problemi di OSM:

- La gestione dei divieti sulle strade. Quello attuale è inadeguato, pieno
di divieti che non si capisce bene tra di loro in cosa differiscono e quindi
dai navigatori non interpretati correttamente. Sarebbe da cancellare tutto e
ripensare da zero i divieti con un sistema più modulare.

- i civici. Ognuno li mette come vuole. Li ho visti messi sull'edificio, su
di un nodo dell'edificio, creare un nuovo nodo dentro l'edificio oppure
all'altezza dell'ingresso della proprietà. Bisogna decidersi una volta per
tutte al livello internazionale.

è per questo che non edito più i punti sopra descritti anche se sono
fondamentali per un software di routing. Le turn restriction invece mi
sembra svolgano egregiamente il loro lavoro. 



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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-04 13:07 GMT+01:00 Hartman sldr.hart...@gmail.com:

 Due grossi problemi di OSM:

 - La gestione dei divieti sulle strade. Quello attuale è inadeguato, pieno
 di divieti che non si capisce bene tra di loro in cosa differiscono e
 quindi
 dai navigatori non interpretati correttamente. Sarebbe da cancellare tutto
 e
 ripensare da zero i divieti con un sistema più modulare.



*g*
abbiamo secondo taginfo finora inserito 252 395 restrizioni, cancellare
tutto probabilmente non troverebbe una maggioranza ;-)
Non ho ancora beccato una situazione reale che non era rappresentabile in
OSM con il sistema attuale di restrizioni, se mi dai un esempio sarei
interessato.



 - i civici. Ognuno li mette come vuole. Li ho visti messi sull'edificio, su
 di un nodo dell'edificio, creare un nuovo nodo dentro l'edificio oppure
 all'altezza dell'ingresso della proprietà. Bisogna decidersi una volta per
 tutte al livello internazionale.



credo che sia normale che ci sono sistemi / modi di mappatura diversi, anzi
è probabilmente necessario perché i civici funzionano diversamente da paese
a paese e talvolta anche da comune a comune. Non capisco quale sia il
grosso problema di mappare un civico una volta come nodo vicino alla
strada ed una volta interno ad un edificio o su un'area.

ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] Talk-it-sicilia è nata

2014-03-04 Thread aborruso
Ciao Aury,


Aury88 wrote
 perfetto...ho già inviato la richiesta e sto aspettando conferma per
 l'avvenuta iscrizione.
 ma uscirà questa lista anche come subforum in nabble  come è già successo
 per Lazio, Piemonte e Friuli oppure no?

ho fatto richiesta :)

Saluti




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[Talk-it] CloudMade smetterà di fornire i suoi servizi (a meno di non scegliere un piano enterprise)

2014-03-04 Thread Cristian Consonni
Ciao,

Credo che questa mail sia arrivata a chiunque usi CloudMade per le sue
mappe, ma volevo segnalarla anche qui.

In breve dal 1 maggio CloudMade non fornirà più alcun servizio a meno
di non avere un piano enterprise che comprende 10 milioni di
transaction (o più) al mese.

In sostanza le vostre mappe che si appoggiano a Cloudmade dal 1 maggio
smetteranno di funzionare, quindi consigliano di appoggiarsi a
Mapquest o Mapbox.

Per farvi capire la scala, i progettini che ho realizzato finora usano
qualche migliaia di tile/mese (quindi 10M tile/mese sono proprio ben
oltre i miei bisogni).

C

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Subject: Important Changes to CloudMade APIs
To: CristianCantoro kikkocrist...@gmail.com


Hi CristianCantoro,


We want to let you know about some changes we're making to the
CloudMade APIs.  As of May 1st we're switching to an enterprise model
that supports the medium to large sized users of the CloudMade APIs.
As part of this transition we'll stop serving Map Tile, Geocoding,
Routing and Vector Stream Server requests coming from your API keys
below as of May 1st, unless you take action.


Your active CloudMade API keys are: [snip]


If you wish to continue using the CloudMade services after April 30th
you'll need to upgrade to an enterprise plan.  Enterprise plans are
available for customers with 10,000,000 or more transactions per
month. The plans include dedicated hosting, custom SLAs, 24x7 support
from a named customer support representative and custom data loading.
You can find out more about upgrading and request more information on
the Web Portals page.


If your monthly usage is less than 10,000,000 transactions, or you
don't wish to upgrade to an enterprise plan, you should take action to
update the app or website that's using the CloudMade API keys shown
above to use an alternative provider.  There are a number of
alternative providers of Map Tiles, Geocoding and Routing services
based on OpenStreetMap data, for example:

- Mapquest (Map Tiles, Routing, Geocoding)

- MapBox (Styled Map Tiles)


Thanks for using CloudMade's APIs over the past months and years.  If
you don't switch to an enterprise plan, we wish you a smooth
transition to the new service provider you choose.


If you have any questions you can contact our support team -
supp...@cloudmade.com.


Best wishes,


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Re: [Talk-it] CloudMade smetterà di fornire i suoi servizi (a meno di non scegliere un piano enterprise)

2014-03-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-03-04 14:33 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:

 Ciao,

 Credo che questa mail sia arrivata a chiunque usi CloudMade per le sue
 mappe, ma volevo segnalarla anche qui.

 In breve dal 1 maggio CloudMade non fornirà più alcun servizio a meno
 di non avere un piano enterprise che comprende 10 milioni di
 transaction (o più) al mese.

 In sostanza le vostre mappe che si appoggiano a Cloudmade dal 1 maggio
 smetteranno di funzionare, quindi consigliano di appoggiarsi a
 Mapquest o Mapbox.

 Per farvi capire la scala, i progettini che ho realizzato finora usano
 qualche migliaia di tile/mese (quindi 10M tile/mese sono proprio ben
 oltre i miei bisogni).

 C



probabilmente non è un grosso problema per la maggiorparte di noi ;-)
Cloudmade aveva (non so se allora è pertinente) sempre dei dati abbstanza
vecchi (rispetto ad altri servizi osm) con tanti stili ugly da scegliere
;-)

ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-it] Talk-it-sicilia è nata

2014-03-04 Thread Aury88
aborruso wrote
 Ciao Aury,
 ho fatto richiesta :)
 
 Saluti

perfetto! 
grazie mille. 

Saluti



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Re: [Talk-it] perché OSM

2014-03-04 Thread Aury88
dieterdreist wrote
 credo che sia normale che ci sono sistemi / modi di mappatura diversi,
 anzi
 è probabilmente necessario perché i civici funzionano diversamente da
 paese
 a paese e talvolta anche da comune a comune. Non capisco quale sia il
 grosso problema di mappare un civico una volta come nodo vicino alla
 strada ed una volta interno ad un edificio o su un'area.
 
 ciao,
 Martin

aggiungerei che i diversi stili di mappatura sono forse anche una
conseguenza della possibilità d'uso universale di osm per cui, non avendo
come unico scopo il routing (pur essendo uno dei principali o comunque
predominante al momento), il mappare i civici come nodi posizionati dove
effettivamente viene esposto il numero civico (che alla fine è quello che
serve al routing) può non essere una scelta così scontata  o addirittura
desiderata.
io stesso utilizzo diversi stili...dove un edificio/terreno ha un solo
civico metto il civico sul quell'edificio/terreno purchè sia indicato anche
l'ingresso o comunque, da una ricerca tramite routing, non risulti troppo
spostato rispetto la posizione del civico reale; altrimenti uso un nodo sul
perimetro o un nodo e basta...programmi di routing anche amatoriali
gestiscono benissimo tutti gli stili di mappatura da me usati, non vedo
perchè un programma professionale dovrebbe avere particolari difficoltà ad
integrare meccanismi simili.
può effettivamente indurre un po' di confusione, ma fino ad ora nulla di
ingestibile...il cambiare adesso tutto invece potrebbe provocare qualche
problemino...insomma bisogna ragionarci per benino su (e non solo a livello
locale) prima di fare qualcosa.



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[Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

2014-03-04 Thread andria osm

Ciao,
un tipo che vuol fare un poster turistico mi chiede se c'è una mappa 
stampabile basata su osm.
Avrebbe bisogno di una carta fisica, coi colori più o meno classici e 
preferibilmente senza toponimi. Esiste qualcosa di già pronto in giro?

ciao
Andrea

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Re: [Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

2014-03-04 Thread Fabio Alessandro Locati
Ciao,

I dati sono pubblici, quindi puoi farla anche tu ;). Qui puoi trovare
una lista di programmi che ti possono aiutare:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rendering.

Fabio

Il 04 marzo 2014 21:09, andria osm andria_...@tiscali.it ha scritto:
 Ciao,
 un tipo che vuol fare un poster turistico mi chiede se c'è una mappa
 stampabile basata su osm.
 Avrebbe bisogno di una carta fisica, coi colori più o meno classici e
 preferibilmente senza toponimi. Esiste qualcosa di già pronto in giro?
 ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

2014-03-04 Thread Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto
2014-03-04 21:09 GMT+01:00 andria osm andria_...@tiscali.it:
 Ciao,
 un tipo che vuol fare un poster turistico mi chiede se c'è una mappa
 stampabile basata su osm.
 Avrebbe bisogno di una carta fisica, coi colori più o meno classici e
 preferibilmente senza toponimi. Esiste qualcosa di già pronto in giro?
 ciao

Ciao,

direi che potrebbe fare qualche prova con Maperitive... è stato usato
anche per le carte del giro d'Italia!

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Re: [Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

2014-03-04 Thread andria osm

si, ma in questo momento farei qualsiasi cosa per non doverla fare io :)

Il 04/03/2014 21:30, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto:

2014-03-04 21:09 GMT+01:00 andria osm andria_...@tiscali.it:

Ciao,
un tipo che vuol fare un poster turistico mi chiede se c'è una mappa
stampabile basata su osm.
Avrebbe bisogno di una carta fisica, coi colori più o meno classici e
preferibilmente senza toponimi. Esiste qualcosa di già pronto in giro?
ciao

Ciao,

direi che potrebbe fare qualche prova con Maperitive... è stato usato
anche per le carte del giro d'Italia!




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Re: [Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

2014-03-04 Thread andria osm

questo sarebbe l'ideale ma è solo per gli US

ps. ma avete visto che belli gli altri stack di stamen?
dico quelli con i layer misto acquerello+mapbox satellite

http://maps.stamen.com/terrain/#7/37.660/-107.965



Il 04/03/2014 21:30, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto ha scritto:

2014-03-04 21:09 GMT+01:00 andria osm andria_...@tiscali.it:

Ciao,
un tipo che vuol fare un poster turistico mi chiede se c'è una mappa
stampabile basata su osm.
Avrebbe bisogno di una carta fisica, coi colori più o meno classici e
preferibilmente senza toponimi. Esiste qualcosa di già pronto in giro?
ciao

Ciao,

direi che potrebbe fare qualche prova con Maperitive... è stato usato
anche per le carte del giro d'Italia!




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Re: [Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

2014-03-04 Thread Alberto Nogaro


-Original Message-
From: andria osm [mailto:andria_...@tiscali.it]
Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2014 21:37
To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Cartina fisica stampabile basata su osm

si, ma in questo momento farei qualsiasi cosa per non doverla fare io :)

Per dove ti serve? Alcune zone del Nord Italia sono coperte da questa mappa,
che si può visualizzare senza toponimi e  esportarne ritagli in png/svg/pdf:

http://geo.dianacht.de/topo/?zoom=12lat=46.07761lon=11.18542karte=N

Alberto 


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[Talk-it] filtri per josm

2014-03-04 Thread Francesca Valentina
Ciao a tutti,
sapreste dirmi se esistono filtri per lavorare su josm?
Per esempio per escludere quando si mappa (1)le aree e magari anche gli
edificati (2)

Francesca
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Re: [Talk-dk] Geodatastyrelsens licens svarer til CC-BY

2014-03-04 Thread pmsg
Hej Søren

Hvem siger, at CC-BY er kompatibel med OSM's Contributor Terms?

Indtil 2010 var OSM's licens CC-BY 2.0. I forbindelse med den store
licensændring i 2010 blev der slettet rigtig meget fra databasen. Det
slettede indhold var altså CC-BY 2.0 fra brugere, der ikke accepterede
de nye Contributor Terms.

CC-BY er generelt ikke kompatibel med OSM mere.

Jeg undrer mig også over de mange CC-BY-kilder på
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
I mange tilfælde er der dog ekstra angivet en eksplicit tilladelse til
af bruge dataene under ODbL.

Venlig hilsen Nils


3. mar. 2014 kl. 16.53 skrev Soren Johannessen soren.johannes...@gmail.com:
 Hej alle sammen

 Jeg har fået Cathrine Lippert  fra Digitaliseringstyrelsen til at
 kigge på Geodatastyrelsens licens i dag . Hun tolker Geodatastyrelsens
 licens som værende og svarende til CC-BY licensen. Mere om de
 forskellige offentlige licenser her
 http://digitaliser.dk/resource/2432531

 Mere om CC-BY licensen http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

 CC-BY licensen går og passer godt sammen med OSM - Se fx OSM listen
 over forskellige lande og myndigheders bidrag
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#  og læg mærk til
 hvor mange CC-BY der er på listen.

 Når Geodatastyrelsens licens svarer til CC-BY så skal OSM DK altså
 ikke ud i at lave særaftaler og havde underskrift i et særskilt
 dokument fra Geodatastyrelsen.


 Med venlig hilsen
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Re: [Talk-dk] Geodatastyrelsens luftfoto via Proxyserver - et par nye oplysninger

2014-03-04 Thread Hans Gregers Petersen
Hej alle,

 Jeg har brugt de nye overflyvningsbilleder i nogen tid, og specielt ved
 naturområder er de fantastske. De er nemlig taget i det tidlige forår inden
 der kom blade på træerne. Det betyder at man kan se stier, vandløb og
 skovveje, som man ellers ikke kan se på f.eks. Bing, fordi der her er blade
 på træerne.

Forskellen mellem disse billeder og Google/Bing osv. er at disse
billeder er _beregnet_ til kortlæning (ikke ortofotoet som sådan, men
de rå billeder). Det vil sige at vi flyver dem før løvspring, så der
kan ses så meget som muligt. Det vil også sige, at nøjagtigheden
hvormed billederne optages som regel er meget højere end for et det
er pænt-ortofoto, der optages om sommeren så det ser så kønt ud som
muligt.

 Jeg er dog lidt bekymret for, om en privat server kan stå for belastningen,
 når der kommer flere brugere på. Tror I ikke det vil være bedre at finde en
 sponsor, og så lave en Amazon server?

 Men ellers tusind tak til Gregers og Søren for initiativet.

Nu er det jo aldrig sjovt, når der står men ;-)
Jeg vælger at tage det dog positivt, der er som regel meget lidt tryk
på CPUen på en tilecache og jeg har løbende nedgraderet den
reserverede CPU og memory til min demo-opsætning. Det er derfor også
mit indtryk, at der er et stykke vej førend vi er nødt til at flytte
til noget andet...

Mvh

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[Talk-dk] Karup by

2014-03-04 Thread Carsten Nielsen
Da jeg idag bemærkede at byen Karup er navngivet Karup J i OSM undrede jeg mig da jeg 
personligt ikke har hørt byen omtalt som Karup J, men da jeg ikke er lokal vil jeg ikke 
bar rette det.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2278152098

I Wiki hedder byen bare Karup
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karup

Og på byskiltet ser det også ud til kun at hedder Karup
https://www.google.com/maps/@56.307034,9.157577,3a,75y,72.06h,83.82t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sVqyhLdky6qSFF8YRcMWxNg!2e0


Er der nogen der kan komme med en god grund til at vi skal kalde byen for Karup J i Open 
street map, og evt. ændre J til noget mere sigende.


mvh

Carsten

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Re: [Talk-dk] Karup by

2014-03-04 Thread Michael Andersen
Hej Carsten

Forklaringen er meget enkel. Når man nærstuderer de omkringliggende 
adressenoder vil man se følgende tag: addr:city=Karup J og da en vis tysker 
ved navn Win32netsky ville oprette en bynode brugte han simpelthen det angivne 
bynavn. Som udlænding kunne han jo ikke vide bedre.

Mere grelt ville jeg mene er at en for mig velkendt dansker har tilføjet et 
wikipediatag bibeholdende det famøse J... (hvor den faktiske artikel er 
uden).

Jeg har tilladt mig at rette disse ting

Mvh Michael

Tirsdag den 4. marts 2014 23:11:05 skrev Carsten Nielsen:
 Da jeg idag bemærkede at byen Karup er navngivet Karup J i OSM undrede jeg
 mig da jeg personligt ikke har hørt byen omtalt som Karup J, men da jeg
 ikke er lokal vil jeg ikke bar rette det.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2278152098
 
 I Wiki hedder byen bare Karup
 http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karup
 
 Og på byskiltet ser det også ud til kun at hedder Karup
 https://www.google.com/maps/@56.307034,9.157577,3a,75y,72.06h,83.82t/data=!3
 m4!1e1!3m2!1sVqyhLdky6qSFF8YRcMWxNg!2e0
 
 
 Er der nogen der kan komme med en god grund til at vi skal kalde byen for
 Karup J i Open street map, og evt. ændre J til noget mere sigende.
 
 mvh
 
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tysoe Parish Council

2014-03-04 Thread Brian Prangle
Hi everyone

I've had an approach from a guy called Mike Sanderson who wants to
collaborate with us as the local folk have to produce a Parish
Neighbourhood Plan and want some basic training and a mapping party. Let me
know if you want to help. I'm trying to arrange a preliminary meeting to
scope things out. They have a venue with WiFi - the Old Fire Station, which
as I remember it is a community centre

Regards

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meetings

2014-03-04 Thread Andy Robinson
Who's planning on meeting on Thursday evening for our regular slot? I should
be there assuming others are too?

We have of course also the planned day in Worcester on Sat 15th. Did anyone
get anywhere with selecting a meeting up venue for lunch?

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tysoe Parish Council

2014-03-04 Thread Rob Nickerson
I can help too.
Rob

On 4 Mar 2014 11:27, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote:

Hi everyone

I've had an approach from a guy called Mike Sanderson who wants to
collaborate with us as the local folk have to produce a Parish
Neighbourhood Plan and want some basic training and a mapping party. Let me
know if you want to help. I'm trying to arrange a preliminary meeting to
scope things out. They have a venue with WiFi - the Old Fire Station, which
as I remember it is a community centre

Regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meetings

2014-03-04 Thread Ian Caldwell
Cannot make Thursday. As a venue in Worcester one suggestion is The Crown (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.19306mlon=-2.22236#map=17/52.19306/-2.22236)
which is a Weatherspoons.


Ian


On 4 March 2014 18:06, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll be there this Thursday. Also hoping to come to Worcester.

 Rob

 On 4 Mar 2014 17:39, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Who's planning on meeting on Thursday evening for our regular slot? I
 should
 be there assuming others are too?

 We have of course also the planned day in Worcester on Sat 15th. Did anyone
 get anywhere with selecting a meeting up venue for lunch?

 Cheers
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March meetings

2014-03-04 Thread Brian
I'm arriving late probably about 830

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:39, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Who's planning on meeting on Thursday evening for our regular slot? I should
 be there assuming others are too?
 
 We have of course also the planned day in Worcester on Sat 15th. Did anyone
 get anywhere with selecting a meeting up venue for lunch?
 
 Cheers
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[Talk-es] carreteras en construcción

2014-03-04 Thread Ricardo Sanz
una duda.

cuando se prevé una carretera se pone highway = proposed
cuando la están construyendo (aun no le han echado el asfalto) highway =
construction
cuando le echan el asfalto con o sin pintura de marcas viales se pone
highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary, etc) y prohibición de
paso a motor.
y cuando la inauguran se quita la prohibición a motor.

esto entiendo yo.

estoy en lo cierto?

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Re: [Talk-es] carreteras en construcción

2014-03-04 Thread Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
Yo personalmente si la están construyendo porque la asfalten no la
considero ya hecha, faltan muchas cosas que son parte de la carretera. En
principio lo normal es que de que se asfalte a que se abra pase poco
tiempo, recalco lo normal que no siempre es así jejej. No lo veo necesario
andar cambiándolo tampoco tantas veces. Yo pasaría directamente de highway
= construction a highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary, etc)
cuando se abra.

JOSM creo que un highway con prohibición a paso a motor lo considera
error.

De cualquier manera tampoco lo considero mal, como digo es como yo lo
pienso.

Un saludo.


El 4 de marzo de 2014, 14:11, Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.comescribió:

 una duda.

 cuando se prevé una carretera se pone highway = proposed
 cuando la están construyendo (aun no le han echado el asfalto) highway =
 construction
 cuando le echan el asfalto con o sin pintura de marcas viales se pone
 highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary, etc) y prohibición de
 paso a motor.
 y cuando la inauguran se quita la prohibición a motor.

 esto entiendo yo.

 estoy en lo cierto?

 saludos


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Re: [Talk-es] Charla sobre OSM en el Congreso del RITSI de Córdoba

2014-03-04 Thread Patricio Soriano Castro
Gracias a los dos por la respuesta. Los trabajos de Deusto estaban ya en 
la lista de revisar

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Re: [Talk-es] carreteras en construcción

2014-03-04 Thread Ricardo Sanz
Con respecto al error en JOSM yo me refiero que sería por ejemplo:

- highway=secundary
- access=no

Cuando se inaugure:

- highway= secundary

Cuando se plantee la carretera:

-highway= proposed

Cuando esté en construcción sin asfalto aun:

- highway= construction


Saludos

El martes, 4 de marzo de 2014, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso sanc...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Yo personalmente si la están construyendo porque la asfalten no la
 considero ya hecha, faltan muchas cosas que son parte de la carretera. En
 principio lo normal es que de que se asfalte a que se abra pase poco
 tiempo, recalco lo normal que no siempre es así jejej. No lo veo necesario
 andar cambiándolo tampoco tantas veces. Yo pasaría directamente de highway
 = construction a highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary,
 etc) cuando se abra.

 JOSM creo que un highway con prohibición a paso a motor lo considera
 error.

 De cualquier manera tampoco lo considero mal, como digo es como yo lo
 pienso.

 Un saludo.


 El 4 de marzo de 2014, 14:11, Ricardo Sanz 
 ricardosanz1...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ricardosanz1...@gmail.com');
  escribió:

 una duda.

 cuando se prevé una carretera se pone highway = proposed
 cuando la están construyendo (aun no le han echado el asfalto) highway =
 construction
 cuando le echan el asfalto con o sin pintura de marcas viales se pone
 highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary, etc) y prohibición de
 paso a motor.
 y cuando la inauguran se quita la prohibición a motor.

 esto entiendo yo.

 estoy en lo cierto?

 saludos


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Re: [Talk-es] carreteras en construcción

2014-03-04 Thread Xuacu
El día 4 de marzo de 2014, 16:31, Ricardo Sanz
ricardosanz1...@gmail.com escribió:
 Con respecto al error en JOSM yo me refiero que sería por ejemplo:

 - highway=secundary
 - access=no

Y, posiblemente, una etiqueta barrier=* con lo que quiera que usen
para cerrar el paso, casi seguro una jersey_barrier o un guard_rail (o
ambos), en cada extremo.

Un saludo
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Re: [Talk-es] carreteras en construcción

2014-03-04 Thread Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso
Yo ahí lo que no veo correcto es lo de highway= construction a que este o
no asfaltado. Una carretera es el asfalto, son las lineas, son las
señales, Son muchas cosas no solamente que tenga una capa de
asfalto. Después de asfaltar se sigue construyendo la carretera. Por eso lo
de poner
- highway=secundary
- access=no
desde que se asfalta hasta que se termina la carretera no lo veo bien, yo
la dejaría como highway= construction

Ademas normalmente el asfaltar es cuando ya queda poco para terminar la
carretera por lo que seria hacer cambios muy seguidos a los que no le veo
utilidad real.
También aunque no hay que hacerlo para el render veo mas claro como
muestran una carretera en construcción que una carretera sin acceso los
render.

Saludos.


El 4 de marzo de 2014, 16:31, Ricardo Sanz ricardosanz1...@gmail.comescribió:

 Con respecto al error en JOSM yo me refiero que sería por ejemplo:

 - highway=secundary
 - access=no

 Cuando se inaugure:

 - highway= secundary

 Cuando se plantee la carretera:

 -highway= proposed

 Cuando esté en construcción sin asfalto aun:

 - highway= construction


 Saludos

 El martes, 4 de marzo de 2014, Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso sanc...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 Yo personalmente si la están construyendo porque la asfalten no la
 considero ya hecha, faltan muchas cosas que son parte de la carretera. En
 principio lo normal es que de que se asfalte a que se abra pase poco
 tiempo, recalco lo normal que no siempre es así jejej. No lo veo necesario
 andar cambiándolo tampoco tantas veces. Yo pasaría directamente de highway
 = construction a highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary,
 etc) cuando se abra.

 JOSM creo que un highway con prohibición a paso a motor lo considera
 error.

 De cualquier manera tampoco lo considero mal, como digo es como yo lo
 pienso.

 Un saludo.


 El 4 de marzo de 2014, 14:11, Ricardo Sanz 
 ricardosanz1...@gmail.comescribió:

 una duda.

 cuando se prevé una carretera se pone highway = proposed
 cuando la están construyendo (aun no le han echado el asfalto) highway
 = construction
 cuando le echan el asfalto con o sin pintura de marcas viales se pone
 highway= lo que sea (motorway, primary, secundary, etc) y prohibición de
 paso a motor.
 y cuando la inauguran se quita la prohibición a motor.

 esto entiendo yo.

 estoy en lo cierto?

 saludos


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[Talk-es] Fwd: OpenStreetMap Radio Círculo / Universo Paralelo 100.4 FM 10 de Marzo

2014-03-04 Thread Félix Pedrera García
Hola.

Os reenvío un correo de Óscar de Radio Círculo, quien conoció OpenStreetMap
en una sesión sobre Ciencia Ciudadana que se celebró en MediaLab Prado el
año pasado en la que participé como Geoinquieto de Madrid:

https://etherpad.mozilla.org/cienciaciudadana
http://medialab-prado.es/article/encuentrodecienciaciudadana

Les gustaría presentar OpenStreetMap, en qué consiste, cómo se puede
utilizar y sobre todo cómo se puede colaborar, en un programa el 10 de
Marzo al que asistirá también Daniel Lombraña (
http://daniellombrana.es/pages/about.html).

El programa es solo 30 min. Seria quedar en la puerta del circulo de bellas
artes a las 17:45 para subir a la radio y a las 18:30 termina.

Yo lamentablemente no voy a poder, así que lanzo el guante a la lista por
si alguien quiere y puede participar en este programa de radio difundiendo
OpenStreetMap.

Por favor, comentadme pronto para hablar con Óscar cuanto antes sobre las
posibilidades.

¡Gracias!

Un abrazo.

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El 4 de febrero de 2014, 23:47, universo paralelo (radio círculo) 
universoparal...@telefonica.net escribió:

 Hola Felix

 Nos conocimos en el encuentro de ciencia ciudadana en Media Lab Prado en
 Noviembre y te hablé de nuestro proyecto de divulgación científica,
 Universo Paralelo.

 Desde hace ya 5 años tenemos proyecto de divulgación científica llamado
 Universo Paralelo, con sede en el Círculo de Bellas Artes de Madrid, basado
 en un programa de radio cuasi semanal de 30 minutos donde hablamos de
 ciencia desde diferentes perspectivas. Se emite todos los Lunes de 18:00 a
 18:30 en Radio Círculo. Esta radio es una radio libre, sin presión
 comercial y realizada de manera altruista por sus colaboradores, por amor a
 la radio o a lo que quieran contar. Todos los programas se realizan en la
 quinta planta del Círculo de Bellas Artes, muy cerca del Media Lab.

 Te adjunto unos link por si quieres escucharnos a través de nuestros
 podcast
 http://www.ivoox.com/podcast-podcast-universo-paralelo_sq_f19713_1.html
 https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/universo-paralelo/id366189596?mt=2
 http://bloguniversoparalelo.blogspot.com.es/

 Como te comenté, nos encantaría realizar un programa sobre ciencia
 ciudadana. Hemos ya contactado con Daniel Lombrana y ha aceptado nuestra
 invitación. Nos ha ofrecido disponibilidad en el Lunes 17 de febrero.
 Nuestra idea es juntaros para hablar de el proyecto ciencia ciudadana y
 tratar algunas aplicaciones exitosas de este proyecto, así como de otras
 actividades que realicéis en Media Lab y queráis promocionar .

 Como hablamos, la idea es hablar de la aplicación openstreetview contigo,
 en que consiste, como se puede utilizar y sobre todo como se puede
 colaborar.

 Si no pudieras participar el 17 de Febrero pero tienes interés en
 colaborar con nosotros (ojalá!), podemos programarlo el 10 de Marzo por
 ejemplo, o mas adelante.
 Te agradecemos si pudieras responder pronto para poder organizarlo ya que
 tenemos que cerrar varias agendas.

 Quedamos a la espera de una respuesta. Muchas gracias!!!

 Un abrazo

   *Oscar Hernández Caballer*

 UNIVERSO PARALELO

 Lunes 18:00-18:30

 *http://bloguniversoparalelo.blogspot.com/
 http://bloguniversoparalelo.blogspot.com/*

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Re: [Talk-ro] Povești de succes (sau de eșecuri :) )

2014-03-04 Thread Razvan

Interesant. Ore putem pune link-ul asta si pe pagina osm de pe fb?

On 04.03.2014 15:45, Strainu wrote:

Mai dau din când în când peste câte un articol care descrie progresul
OSM în diferite zone din România. M-am gândit ca pe măsură ce le
găsesc, să le dau și pe listă. Azi, primul exemplu: proiecte făcute de
studenții la geografie.

http://opengis.unibuc.ro/index.php?option=com_sectionexview=categoryid=21Itemid=115

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[Talk-cat] Acadèmia d'anglès

2014-03-04 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran
Hola,

No he trobat com etiquetar una acadèmia d'anglés :( He buscat exemples
hi he vist que hi ha qui usa amenity=school o building=school.  Hi ha
alguna manera millor de fer-ho?

Fins aviat.


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[Talk-cz] Bing - nové obrázky

2014-03-04 Thread xkomczax
Zdárek,

jenom pro informaci: Bing přidal minimálně dva nové obrázky - první z nich je z 
Vysočiny, kde přibyla oblast mezi městy Chrast - Hlinsko - Žďár nad Sázavou - 
Jarovměřice nad Rokytnou (stále však na východě zůstává tenký proužek bez 
satelitního snímku) - jde o foto zimní krajiny, přepokládám tedy něco 
čerstvého; ten druhý je z oblasti mezi městy Ústí nad Orlicí - Česká Třebová - 
Svitavy - Olešnice. Tady je pokrytí nyní již kompletní. V tomto případě se 
jedná o snímek letní krajiny, uvolněn byl však z neznámého důvodu až někdy 
nyní...

Další místa podle zběžného zkoumání nepřibyla, ale rád se nechám vyvést z omylu 
;-)

Veselé mapování! :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM Inspector/routage: demande aide

2014-03-04 Thread JB


Le 03/03/2014 23:00, GwenB a écrit :
Concernant toujours Saint-Malo, ce qui est désormais de nouveau 
indiqué induit une erreur de routage en raison du sens unique qui mène 
au château :
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=routinglon=-2.02272lat=48.65096zoom=18 


Comment résoudre cet erreur ?
En trouvant comment sortir de là : un automobiliste sur cette voie est 
pour l'instant condamné à partir à pied… En ajoutant la voie de sortie 
du parking au nord-ouest du chateau, ça devrait passer.


Je ne sais pas si c'est toi qui a corrigé toutes les duplicate ways sur 
les derniers mois, mais c'est un travail impressionnant (je m'étais 
limité à l’Auvergne avant ce temps-là)…


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM coupure de presse

2014-03-04 Thread Pieren
2014-03-03 20:30 GMT+01:00 Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org:

 Je suis concerné par l'article et là j'ai le droit de découper
 l'ensemble de l'article, mais pas la page entière. Je dois citer
 complètement la source (titre du journal, date). Pas besoin de répéter
 l'auteur (journaliste) car en principe son nom apparaît à la fin de
 l'article (Si absent et qu'on le connaît on le rajoute bien sûr). J'ai
 le droit dans ce cas de le mettre à disposition sur une page web que je
 crée mais pas sur celle de mon voisin même si il parle de moi.
 Il est évident qu'un lien vers le site du journal ne mange pas de pain.

Avant de parler droit, un peu de lecture sur les revues de presse s'impose:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revue_de_presse#France

Si on est soi-même l'objet d'un article (ou d'un livre), on peut
bien-sûr conserver pour soi lesdits articles. Mais cela ne déroge pas
aux règles du droit d'auteur concernant leur rediffusion.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetview.org

2014-03-04 Thread sylvain letuffe
J'aime assez bien le principe du projet et effectivement, ça n'a pas beaucoup
évolué ces dernières années et ça m'embéterait de le voir mourir du jour
au lendemain avec les ~300 photos que j'y ai mis et les dizaines de milliers
d'autres photos qui y sont.

Concernant la modération c'est assez bien fait et c'est auto-géré c'est à
dire que ce sont les autres membres qui peuvent valider les photos donc si
ça a traîné, c'est juste qu'il ne doit plus guère y avoir qu'une poignée de
contributeur actif.

J'aimerais pouvoir aider le projet, mais je n'ai que peu de temps à y
consacrer, mais si d'autres se sentent la motivation, à plusieurs on peut
arriver à faire le minimum.

(Pour moi, le minimum, c'est d'avoir la sécurité des photos, c'est à dire
confirmer qu'elles sont bien sauvegardées et comment en faire une copie de
secours)



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[OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Dlareg
Bonjour,

Google map reprend le tracé du tram sur Dijon, si j'en suis sûr c'est
que c'est moi qui est rentré cette portion de rails et que le défaut
d'écartement des rails (cf lien) est le même sur Google map :
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?lon=5.04553lat=47.32619zoom=18num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=mapnik-german

Il y a d'autre endroit ou c'est visible.
Que faire ?
Merci pour vos réponses.

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[OSM-talk-fr] étiquetage pour le rendu

2014-03-04 Thread David Crochet

Bonjour

Que faire vis-à-vis de ceci [1] ?


[1] http://osm.org/go/0A_S2Va~o--

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM Inspector/routage: demande aide

2014-03-04 Thread Pieren
2014-03-03 19:36 GMT+01:00 Muselaar musel...@ouvaton.org:

 Ça me ravit fort de lire ça. Est-ce que ça veut dire qu'il conviendrait de
 créer une unique surface raccordée à toutes les voies dès que le carrefour
 est un peu complexe, au lieu d'avoir à choisir entre la pieuvre et le filet
 ?

Attention, on parle de place tagguée avec area=yes, c.à.d. que la
circulation y est libre dans toutes les directions et dans tous les
sens. C'est dire si généralement, ça ne concerne que des petites
places avec un trafic routier faible (sinon, gare aux collisions :),
genre la petite place de village coincée entre l'école, l'église et la
mairie.

Pour cartographier les carrefours complexes (dont le trafic est
directionnel), il n'y a pour l'instant pas d'autre choix que de faire
toutes les connexions entre les voies. Il existe sur le wiki une
proposition pour ne tracer qu'un polygone avec des noeuds d'entrée et
de sortie (ce qui a l'avantage de moins faire mal aux yeux) mais c'est
resté au stade de proposition.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Pierre-Yves Berrard
Si OSM et GoogleMaps correspondent tous deux à la réalité, ton affirmation
est difficile à prouver.

Google pourrait avoir tracé la ligne de tram à l'aide de sa propre photo
satellite...


Le 4 mars 2014 11:37, Dlareg dla...@dlareg.org a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 Google map reprend le tracé du tram sur Dijon, si j'en suis sûr c'est
 que c'est moi qui est rentré cette portion de rails et que le défaut
 d'écartement des rails (cf lien) est le même sur Google map :

 http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?lon=5.04553lat=47.32619zoom=18num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=mapnik-german

 Il y a d'autre endroit ou c'est visible.
 Que faire ?
 Merci pour vos réponses.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread V de Chateau-Thierry
Bonjour,

 De : Dlareg

 Google map reprend le tracé du tram sur Dijon, si j'en suis sûr c'est
 que c'est moi qui est rentré cette portion de rails et que le défaut
 d'écartement des rails (cf lien) est le même sur Google map :
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?
lon=5.04553lat=47.32619zoom=18num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=mapnik-
german

 Il y a d'autre endroit ou c'est visible.

Il y a aussi des endroits où les deux sources sont clairement différentes :
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?lon=5.051lat=47.328zoom=18num=2mt0=mapnikmt1=google-
map
(à l'intérieur de la place)
Plus les deux versions sont fidèles au terrain, plus elles ont des chances de se
ressembler, sans pour autant que l'une dérive de l'autre. Il faudrait pouvoir 
indiquer
un élément côté OSM notoirement exagéré / décalé / faux, et pointer sur Google 
la même
erreur, pour étayer.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] étiquetage pour le rendu

2014-03-04 Thread Francescu GAROBY
Bonjour,
Tu parles des lignes des terrains de sport ? En effet, c'est clairement du
tracé pour le rendu (usage du tag barrier=line' pour dessiner les lignes
faites à la craie).
Il faut, pour moi, supprimer tous les traits inutiles (et faux !), informer
le contributeur qu'il fait des erreurs et lui (merci OSM-fr !) montrer que
c'est aux rendus de gérer ce genre de détails.

Francescu


2014-03-04 11:52 GMT+01:00 David Crochet david.croc...@free.fr:

 Bonjour

 Que faire vis-à-vis de ceci [1] ?


 [1] http://osm.org/go/0A_S2Va~o--

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Greg
La géométrie me semble suffisamment différente pour dire que les données
n'ont pas été recopiées. Les rails dans OSM ont un meilleur parallèlisme,
et l'orientation est légèrement différente au niveau de l'arrêt République
sud-est : le tracé OSM et légèrement plus sur un axe Nord-Sud que le tracé
Google Maps.

Donc je pense que ce qui apparait chez Google est légitime (et légèrement
de moins bonne qualité).




Greg


2014-03-04 11:52 GMT+01:00 V de Chateau-Thierry v...@laposte.net:

 Bonjour,

  De : Dlareg
 
  Google map reprend le tracé du tram sur Dijon, si j'en suis sûr c'est
  que c'est moi qui est rentré cette portion de rails et que le défaut
  d'écartement des rails (cf lien) est le même sur Google map :
  http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?

 lon=5.04553lat=47.32619zoom=18num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=mapnik-
 german
 
  Il y a d'autre endroit ou c'est visible.

 Il y a aussi des endroits où les deux sources sont clairement différentes :

 http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?lon=5.051lat=47.328zoom=18num=2mt0=mapnikmt1=google-
 map
 (à l'intérieur de la place)
 Plus les deux versions sont fidèles au terrain, plus elles ont des chances
 de se
 ressembler, sans pour autant que l'une dérive de l'autre. Il faudrait
 pouvoir indiquer
 un élément côté OSM notoirement exagéré / décalé / faux, et pointer sur
 Google la même
 erreur, pour étayer.

 vincent

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] étiquetage pour le rendu

2014-03-04 Thread Samy Mezani

le 04/03/2014 11:59, Francescu GAROBY a écrit:

Il faut, pour moi, supprimer tous les traits inutiles (et faux !), informer
le contributeur qu'il fait des erreurs et lui (merci OSM-fr !) montrer que
c'est aux rendus de gérer ce genre de détails.


+1

Avec un petit lien pour le prouver :
http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=18lat=47.32304lon=5.06711layers=BFF

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM Inspector/routage: demande aide

2014-03-04 Thread GwenB

bonjour

Le 2014-03-04 09:33, JB a écrit :
En ajoutant la voie de sortie du parking au nord-ouest du chateau, ça 
devrait passer.
Mes connaissances de cette place ne sont plus très à jour visiblement 
donc je préfère laisser en l'état en attendant que d'autres corrigent :)



Je ne sais pas si c'est toi qui a corrigé toutes les duplicate ways
sur les derniers mois,

non ce n'est pas moi.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetview.org

2014-03-04 Thread Otourly Wiki
Sinon vu sur talk-it


http://www.mapillary.com/map

Un projet intéressant de streetview par contre je ne crois pas que les plaques 
et les visages soient floutés (choses qui avaient été repprochées à Google)


Florian Farge aka Otourly
Sur lesprojets wikimédiens et l'Association française,et sur OSM
Socio di Wikimedia Italia




Le Mardi 4 mars 2014 11h15, sylvain letuffe lis...@letuffe.org a écrit :
 
J'aime assez bien le principe du projet et effectivement, ça n'a pas beaucoup
évolué ces dernières années et ça m'embéterait de le voir mourir du jour
au lendemain avec les ~300 photos que j'y ai mis et les dizaines de milliers
d'autres photos qui y sont.

Concernant la modération c'est assez bien fait et c'est auto-géré c'est à
dire que ce sont les autres membres qui peuvent valider les photos donc si
ça a traîné, c'est juste qu'il ne doit plus guère y avoir qu'une poignée de
contributeur actif.

J'aimerais pouvoir aider le projet, mais je n'ai que peu de temps à y
consacrer, mais si d'autres se sentent la motivation, à plusieurs on peut
arriver à faire le minimum.

(Pour moi, le minimum, c'est d'avoir la sécurité des photos, c'est à dire
confirmer qu'elles sont bien sauvegardées et comment en faire une copie de
secours)



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetview.org

2014-03-04 Thread Arnaud Vandecasteele

Intéressant le projet Mapillary ?
C'est présenté comme étant Open Source alors qu'il n'y a rien d'Open Source.
De plus, l'API pour les dév est limitée à 1000 requêtes par mois...

Ok l'interface est sympa mais de mon point de vue ça s'arrête là.

A.

On 14-03-04 09:04 AM, Otourly Wiki wrote:

Sinon vu sur talk-it

http://www.mapillary.com/map

http://www.mapillary.com/map
Un projet intéressant de streetview par contre je ne crois pas que les 
plaques et les visages soient floutés (choses qui avaient été 
repprochées à Google)


Florian Farge aka Otourly
Sur lesprojets wikimédiens 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourly et l'Association 
française http://www.wikimedia.fr/index.php/Accueil,et sur OSM 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly
Socio di Wikimedia Italia 
http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Pagina_principale



Le Mardi 4 mars 2014 11h15, sylvain letuffe lis...@letuffe.org a écrit :
J'aime assez bien le principe du projet et effectivement, ça n'a pas 
beaucoup

évolué ces dernières années et ça m'embéterait de le voir mourir du jour
au lendemain avec les ~300 photos que j'y ai mis et les dizaines de 
milliers

d'autres photos qui y sont.

Concernant la modération c'est assez bien fait et c'est auto-géré 
c'est à

dire que ce sont les autres membres qui peuvent valider les photos donc si
ça a traîné, c'est juste qu'il ne doit plus guère y avoir qu'une 
poignée de

contributeur actif.

J'aimerais pouvoir aider le projet, mais je n'ai que peu de temps à y
consacrer, mais si d'autres se sentent la motivation, à plusieurs on peut
arriver à faire le minimum.

(Pour moi, le minimum, c'est d'avoir la sécurité des photos, c'est à dire
confirmer qu'elles sont bien sauvegardées et comment en faire une 
copie de

secours)



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetview.org

2014-03-04 Thread Pieren
2014-03-04 13:53 GMT+01:00 Arnaud Vandecasteele arnaud@gmail.com:

 De plus, l'API pour les dév est limitée à 1000 requêtes par mois...

Pour être plus précis, ils disent : Commercial use with fewer than
1000 API calls/month are free of charge. Ca doit être possible au
delà de 1000 mais c'est plus  gratuit ;-) De plus, il n'y a pas que
les sources qui ne sont pas open, les data aussi. Leur terms of
service les autorise à faire à peu près ce qu'ils veulent avec les
images, y compris - pourquoi pas - les revendre (alors qu'il faut leur
certifier qu'on leur donne nos photos gratos !).
A oublier d'urgence.

Pieren

http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Dlareg
Le 04/03/2014 11:51, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :
 Si OSM et GoogleMaps correspondent tous deux à la réalité, ton
 affirmation est difficile à prouver.

Les écarts entre les rails ne peuvent pas être comme ça dans le virage
et ne représente pas la réalité.

 
 Google pourrait avoir tracé la ligne de tram à l'aide de sa propre photo
 satellite...
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Dlareg
Le 04/03/2014 11:52, V de Chateau-Thierry a écrit :
 Bonjour,
 
 De : Dlareg

 Google map reprend le tracé du tram sur Dijon, si j'en suis sûr c'est
 que c'est moi qui est rentré cette portion de rails et que le défaut
 d'écartement des rails (cf lien) est le même sur Google map :
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?
 lon=5.04553lat=47.32619zoom=18num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=mapnik-
 german

 Il y a d'autre endroit ou c'est visible.
 
 Il y a aussi des endroits où les deux sources sont clairement différentes :
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?lon=5.051lat=47.328zoom=18num=2mt0=mapnikmt1=google-
 map
 (à l'intérieur de la place)
 Plus les deux versions sont fidèles au terrain, plus elles ont des chances de 
 se
 ressembler, sans pour autant que l'une dérive de l'autre.

Ma version n'est pas fidèle au terrain pour la bonne raison que j'ai
fait le tracé avant l'apparition et l'inauguration du tram, c'est calqué
sur mon tracé.

 Il faudrait pouvoir indiquer
 un élément côté OSM notoirement exagéré / décalé / faux, et pointer sur 
 Google la même
 erreur, pour étayer.

L'écart entre les rails dans le virage est clairement faux sinon le
tramway déraillerait. Les tracés de tram sont en tout point similaires
sur OSM et sur Google Map avec toutes les approximations que j'ai saisies.


 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Pieren
2014-03-04 14:32 GMT+01:00 Dlareg dla...@dlareg.org:

 Les écarts entre les rails ne peuvent pas être comme ça dans le virage
 et ne représente pas la réalité.

As-tu une image aérienne qui pourrait nous aider ? Celles de Bing sont
trop anciennes et c'est impossible à vérifier...

Au passage, on remarque la voie:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/240572480#map=19/47.32613/5.04565

avec name=Place de République. On ne donne plus le la à Dijon ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetview.org

2014-03-04 Thread Otourly Wiki
À oublier d'urgence ?
http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html
 
Florian




Le Mardi 4 mars 2014 14h32, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
2014-03-04 13:53 GMT+01:00 Arnaud Vandecasteele arnaud@gmail.com:

 De plus, l'API pour les dév est limitée à 1000 requêtes par mois...

Pour être plus précis, ils disent : Commercial use with fewer than
1000 API calls/month are free of charge. Ca doit être possible au
delà de 1000 mais c'est plus  gratuit ;-) De plus, il n'y a pas que
les sources qui ne sont pas open, les data aussi. Leur terms of
service les autorise à faire à peu près ce qu'ils veulent avec les
images, y compris - pourquoi pas - les revendre (alors qu'il faut leur
certifier qu'on leur donne nos photos gratos !).
A oublier d'urgence.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Dlareg
Le 04/03/2014 12:09, Greg a écrit :
 La géométrie me semble suffisamment différente pour dire que les données
 n'ont pas été recopiées. Les rails dans OSM ont un meilleur
 parallèlisme, et l'orientation est légèrement différente au niveau de
 l'arrêt République sud-est : le tracé OSM et légèrement plus sur un axe
 Nord-Sud que le tracé Google Maps.
 
 Donc je pense que ce qui apparait chez Google est légitime (et
 légèrement de moins bonne qualité).

En effet il manque des détails :
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?lon=5.0717lat=47.31224zoom=18num=2mt0=mapnikmt1=google-map

Désolé pour le bruit alors ;-)

 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] openstreetview.org

2014-03-04 Thread Arnaud Vandecasteele

Je persiste à dire que oui.
Ils ont bien évidemment tout intérêt à proposer un lien avec openStreetMap.
Leur Business Model est basé sur le Crowdsourcing, à moins de s'allier 
avec un projet type OSM et pomper vos photos ils n'arriveront jamais à 
une masse critique suffisante.
A moins que les conditions d'utilisation de ce projet change, je 
resterai sur ma position.


A.

On 14-03-04 10:06 AM, Otourly Wiki wrote:

À oublier d'urgence ?
http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html
Florian


Le Mardi 4 mars 2014 14h32, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :
2014-03-04 13:53 GMT+01:00 Arnaud Vandecasteele arnaud@gmail.com 
mailto:arnaud@gmail.com:


 De plus, l'API pour les dév est limitée à 1000 requêtes par mois...

Pour être plus précis, ils disent : Commercial use with fewer than
1000 API calls/month are free of charge. Ca doit être possible au
delà de 1000 mais c'est plus  gratuit ;-) De plus, il n'y a pas que
les sources qui ne sont pas open, les data aussi. Leur terms of
service les autorise à faire à peu près ce qu'ils veulent avec les
images, y compris - pourquoi pas - les revendre (alors qu'il faut leur
certifier qu'on leur donne nos photos gratos !).
A oublier d'urgence.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] pompage du tracé du tram à Dijon

2014-03-04 Thread Pieren
2014-03-04 14:42 GMT+01:00 Dlareg dla...@dlareg.org:

N'oublie pas que le public peut aussi améliorer la carte Google avec
Google Map Maker, ce qui semble avoir été le cas ici (liste des
contributeurs visible dans l'historique de GMM).

 Désolé pour le bruit alors ;-)

Tant qu'on a plus de détails que Google (et qu'on corrige nos erreurs
dans les noms), c'est pas grave ;-)

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[OSM-talk-fr] Nokia recrute sur OSM pour son projet HERE

2014-03-04 Thread Steve Grosbois
Bonjour à tous,

J'ai été surpris en recevant ceci ce matin sur ma messagerie OSM :

On est surement plusieurs à l'avoir reçu...

Here est la partie Maps de Nokia.
C'est de l'humour Finlandais ?

Bonjour kwiky,
 Je travaille pour la société HERE mettant à jour les données
 cartographiques à destination des GPS, applications sur
 smartphones/tablettes, sites internet.
 Une communauté HERE a déjà été créée autour des contributeurs OSM au cours
 des derniers mois. Je vous contacte aujourd'hui car vous semblez être un
 membre actif d'OSM, qui pourrait être intéressé par notre projet de
 communauté de cartographe.
 En effet, depuis le début de l'année 2013, une interface cartographique
 est accessible sur le web (http://here.com/mapcreator) et permet la
 visualisation et la modification de notre base de données. Cette interface,
 tout comme OSM, intègre un éditeur permettant le traçage de routes
 (attributs de navigation/sécurité, dénomination de voies), ou encore
 l'ajout de points d'intérêts (hôtels, commerces, sites touristiques...) Cette
 interface permet aux utilisateurs des communautés de cartographe HERE de
 renseigner selon leurs centres d'intérêts/motivations la base de données
 MAPCreator De nombreuses communautés ont déjà été créées (Université de La
 Rochelle, Université de Nantes, Université de Metz) et de nouvelles ne
 cessent de voir le jour.
 Si ce projet de communauté vous intéresse, je vous invite donc à vous
 inscrire sur le site http://here.com/mapcreator, ou à me recontacter pour
 plus d'informations (ext-valentin.villal...@here.com)
 Cordialement
 VILLALARD Valentin Data-Analyst Nokia-HERE
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