Re: [Talk-it] WMS mappa catasto agenzia delle entrate non funziona più?

[Federico Cortese]

2018-02-18 10:56 GMT+01:00 Martina :
>
> Dunque il problema principale credo sia che far combaciare un catastale di 
> tutta Italia con un'ortofoto o una ctr credo sia una delle questioni più 
> difficili da risolvere, tanto più sul sistema di coordinate geodetiche (i 
> catasti usano un sistema di coordinate proiettate, anzi ne usano molti a 
> seconda della zona). La cosa è già piuttosto complessa se hai un vettoriale, 
> con un wms non so come si faccia. Se tu avessi un raster del catasto potresti 
> usare un plugin tipo Raster bender 
> https://plugins.qgis.org/plugins/RasterBender/
> Alcune Regioni italiane hanno dei webgis e servizi wms con catastali già 
> allineati dal loro ufficio tecnico con la cartografia numerica e le ortofoto 
> (lo scostamento del catastale c'è lo stesso ma è molto minore), dovresti 
> provare a cercare sul portale della Lombardia e/o su quello della Provincia 
> che ti interessa.

Il disallineamento tra la mappa catastale ed altre cartografie varia
da zona a zona, o meglio da foglio a foglio.
Considerate che l'Agenzia ha avviato da inizio 2017 un grosso lavoro
di ridefinizione delle proprie mappe, attraverso la scansione e
georeferenziazione parametrica dei fogli originali di impianto, con
conseguente ricalibrazione dei vettoriali sui fogli di impianto,
concludendo con la rimosaicatura tra fogli limitrofi.
Queste operazioni devono essere eseguite foglio per foglio, pertanto
richiederanno alcuni anni per essere completate sull'intero territorio
nazionale.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS mappa catasto agenzia delle entrate non funziona più?

[Martina Savarese]

Non so se ho capito bene la domanda comunque provo a risponderti
Per quanto riguarda la visualizzazione se hai attiva la riproiezione al
volo dovresti vedere i layer allineati. Comunque nella finestra "aggiungi
layer da un server WM(T)S" in fondo dovresti vedere il sistema del layer
selezionato (nel caso del servizio che hai linkato ETRS89) accanto c'è il
pulsante "cambia" che ti apre la finestra dove selezionare un altro SR in
cui potresti selezionare quello dell'altro servizio WMS a cui vuoi
allinearlo.



Il giorno 17 febbraio 2018 14:09, carlo folini  ha
scritto:

> Ciao,
> nella discussione " Re: [Talk-it] Agenzia delle uscite - Consultazione
> cartografia catastale - Web Map Service " avevo detto che, con tutti i
> problemi di licenza 'stretta', riuscivo a consultare il WMS
> https://wms.cartografia.agenziaentrate.gov.it/inspire/wms/ows01.php
>
> Da qualche settimana non mi funziona più! A qualcuno va ancora?
>
> Da QGIS funziona, ma non riesco ad allineare i layer e risulta
> inutilizzabile. Qualcuno sa come si fa ad allineare due layer WMS? (in JOSM
> è facile con "New offset")
>
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[Talk-it] WMS mappa catasto agenzia delle entrate non funziona più?

[carlo folini]

Ciao,
nella discussione " Re: [Talk-it] Agenzia delle uscite - Consultazione
cartografia catastale - Web Map Service " avevo detto che, con tutti i
problemi di licenza 'stretta', riuscivo a consultare il WMS
https://wms.cartografia.agenziaentrate.gov.it/inspire/wms/ows01.php

Da qualche settimana non mi funziona più! A qualcuno va ancora?

Da QGIS funziona, ma non riesco ad allineare i layer e risulta
inutilizzabile. Qualcuno sa come si fa ad allineare due layer WMS? (in JOSM
è facile con "New offset")

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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Matías h]

Ahí está el tema, que ni siquiera sabemos a estas alturas si ha llegado a
haber contacto entre ambos organismos.
Tengo que revisar mi correo pero me suena que hace tiempo pregunté a
Antonio F. Rodríguez Pascual del IGN acerca de este tema y no obtuve
respuesta.

A partir de aquí, no se si debemos seguir insistiendo al IGN, probar con La
OSMF, con ambos a la vez, con ninguno, cortarnos las venas y hacernos un
moño?.

Sugerencias?.

Saludos.

El 7 ene. 2018 19:09, "Javier Sánchez Portero" 
escribió:

> Me releo el hilo de hace una año y las conclusiones con que me quedo son
> estos dos mensajes de Santiago Crespo:
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-Decem
> ber/014768.html
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-Decem
> ber/014770.html
>
> La pelota quedó entre OSMF e IGN, ¿de qué lado habrá caído desde entonces?
>
>
> El 7 de enero de 2018, 16:36, Matías h 
> escribió:
>
>> Hola.
>>
>> Vuelvo a estar operativo.
>>
>> El tema del IGN lo que tenemos a día de hoy es el documento adjunto en el
>> que se especifica que Openstreetmap puede reutilizar los datos de IGN, pero
>> en el segundo parrafo dice que cumpliendo las especificaciones de
>> atribución de la licencia CC-BY-4.0
>>
>> En resumidas cuentas, nos dan permiso pero no podemos cumplir con las
>> condiciones de atribución...
>>
>> Mantuvimos un debate sobre si era o no suficiente con este permiso y creo
>> que llegamos a la conclusión de que no nos serviría. Tengo un documento
>> similar con las mismas condiciones para todos los datos de la IDE
>> Extremeña
>>
>> No se si alguien ha vuelto a mantener algún contacto con IGN. En teoría,
>> Santiago Crespo, también desaparecido desde hace mucho, quedó como de
>> enlace entre IGN y OSM Fundation, pero no se nada de él y no creo que
>> se halla avanzado en este tema.
>>
>> Esta semana quizás pueda conseguir contacto con alguien del IGN y volver
>> a retomar el tema.
>>
>> Y sobre el PNOA en particular, yo que como muchos lo utilizo, sigo
>> pensando que no tenemos permiso expreso para utilizarlo, yo por lo menos no
>> se donde esta, y que teniendo la misma licencia que el resto de datos
>> usamos a diestro y siniestro. Nadie, lease Osm Fundation, nos ha dicho
>> nunca nada en contra al respecto. Os apostais algo a que preguntamos a
>> alguna lista similar a imports sobre el uso del PNOA y nos dicen que no
>> debemos usarlo?.
>>
>> En fin, seguimos en contacto...
>>
>> Saludos y feliz año a todos/as
>>
>> El 7 ene. 2018 14:23, "Javier Sánchez Portero" 
>> escribió:
>>
>> El 7 de enero de 2018, 11:22, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo <
>> msevill...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Efectivamente es CC By 4.0 y necesita autorización expresa (PNOA lo
>>> tiene) pero no recuerdo si cartociudad lo tiene (estará por algún lado si
>>> es así).
>>>
>>> Alguien de los que llevó el tema del IGN por ahí?
>>>
>>> Quizá si los nombres vienen del INE tiene sentido pedir permiso allí, no?
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
>>> from my mobile 
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
>>>


>> Pero realmente el producto a usar sería el WMS que es del IGN, los datos
>> en crudo del INE son difíciles de digerir.
>>
>> Interesa localizar la autorización del PNOA.
>>
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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Javier Sánchez Portero]

Me releo el hilo de hace una año y las conclusiones con que me quedo son
estos dos mensajes de Santiago Crespo:

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-December/014768.html
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-December/014770.html

La pelota quedó entre OSMF e IGN, ¿de qué lado habrá caído desde entonces?


El 7 de enero de 2018, 16:36, Matías h  escribió:

> Hola.
>
> Vuelvo a estar operativo.
>
> El tema del IGN lo que tenemos a día de hoy es el documento adjunto en el
> que se especifica que Openstreetmap puede reutilizar los datos de IGN, pero
> en el segundo parrafo dice que cumpliendo las especificaciones de
> atribución de la licencia CC-BY-4.0
>
> En resumidas cuentas, nos dan permiso pero no podemos cumplir con las
> condiciones de atribución...
>
> Mantuvimos un debate sobre si era o no suficiente con este permiso y creo
> que llegamos a la conclusión de que no nos serviría. Tengo un documento
> similar con las mismas condiciones para todos los datos de la IDE
> Extremeña
>
> No se si alguien ha vuelto a mantener algún contacto con IGN. En teoría,
> Santiago Crespo, también desaparecido desde hace mucho, quedó como de
> enlace entre IGN y OSM Fundation, pero no se nada de él y no creo que
> se halla avanzado en este tema.
>
> Esta semana quizás pueda conseguir contacto con alguien del IGN y volver a
> retomar el tema.
>
> Y sobre el PNOA en particular, yo que como muchos lo utilizo, sigo
> pensando que no tenemos permiso expreso para utilizarlo, yo por lo menos no
> se donde esta, y que teniendo la misma licencia que el resto de datos
> usamos a diestro y siniestro. Nadie, lease Osm Fundation, nos ha dicho
> nunca nada en contra al respecto. Os apostais algo a que preguntamos a
> alguna lista similar a imports sobre el uso del PNOA y nos dicen que no
> debemos usarlo?.
>
> En fin, seguimos en contacto...
>
> Saludos y feliz año a todos/as
>
> El 7 ene. 2018 14:23, "Javier Sánchez Portero" 
> escribió:
>
> El 7 de enero de 2018, 11:22, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo  > escribió:
>
>> Efectivamente es CC By 4.0 y necesita autorización expresa (PNOA lo
>> tiene) pero no recuerdo si cartociudad lo tiene (estará por algún lado si
>> es así).
>>
>> Alguien de los que llevó el tema del IGN por ahí?
>>
>> Quizá si los nombres vienen del INE tiene sentido pedir permiso allí, no?
>>
>> --
>>  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
>> from my mobile 
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
>>
>>>
>>>
> Pero realmente el producto a usar sería el WMS que es del IGN, los datos
> en crudo del INE son difíciles de digerir.
>
> Interesa localizar la autorización del PNOA.
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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Matías h]

Hola.

Vuelvo a estar operativo.

El tema del IGN lo que tenemos a día de hoy es el documento adjunto en el
que se especifica que Openstreetmap puede reutilizar los datos de IGN, pero
en el segundo parrafo dice que cumpliendo las especificaciones de
atribución de la licencia CC-BY-4.0

En resumidas cuentas, nos dan permiso pero no podemos cumplir con las
condiciones de atribución...

Mantuvimos un debate sobre si era o no suficiente con este permiso y creo
que llegamos a la conclusión de que no nos serviría. Tengo un documento
similar con las mismas condiciones para todos los datos de la IDE
Extremeña

No se si alguien ha vuelto a mantener algún contacto con IGN. En teoría,
Santiago Crespo, también desaparecido desde hace mucho, quedó como de
enlace entre IGN y OSM Fundation, pero no se nada de él y no creo que
se halla avanzado en este tema.

Esta semana quizás pueda conseguir contacto con alguien del IGN y volver a
retomar el tema.

Y sobre el PNOA en particular, yo que como muchos lo utilizo, sigo pensando
que no tenemos permiso expreso para utilizarlo, yo por lo menos no se donde
esta, y que teniendo la misma licencia que el resto de datos usamos a
diestro y siniestro. Nadie, lease Osm Fundation, nos ha dicho nunca nada en
contra al respecto. Os apostais algo a que preguntamos a alguna lista
similar a imports sobre el uso del PNOA y nos dicen que no debemos usarlo?.

En fin, seguimos en contacto...

Saludos y feliz año a todos/as

El 7 ene. 2018 14:23, "Javier Sánchez Portero" 
escribió:

El 7 de enero de 2018, 11:22, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
escribió:

> Efectivamente es CC By 4.0 y necesita autorización expresa (PNOA lo tiene)
> pero no recuerdo si cartociudad lo tiene (estará por algún lado si es así).
>
> Alguien de los que llevó el tema del IGN por ahí?
>
> Quizá si los nombres vienen del INE tiene sentido pedir permiso allí, no?
>
> --
>  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
> from my mobile 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
>
>>
>>
Pero realmente el producto a usar sería el WMS que es del IGN, los datos en
crudo del INE son difíciles de digerir.

Interesa localizar la autorización del PNOA.

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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Javier Sánchez Portero]

El 7 de enero de 2018, 11:22, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
escribió:

> Efectivamente es CC By 4.0 y necesita autorización expresa (PNOA lo tiene)
> pero no recuerdo si cartociudad lo tiene (estará por algún lado si es así).
>
> Alguien de los que llevó el tema del IGN por ahí?
>
> Quizá si los nombres vienen del INE tiene sentido pedir permiso allí, no?
>
> --
>  Miguel Sevilla-Callejo
> from my mobile 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
>
>>
>>
Pero realmente el producto a usar sería el WMS que es del IGN, los datos en
crudo del INE son difíciles de digerir.

Interesa localizar la autorización del PNOA.
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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Efectivamente es CC By 4.0 y necesita autorización expresa (PNOA lo tiene)
pero no recuerdo si cartociudad lo tiene (estará por algún lado si es así).

Alguien de los que llevó el tema del IGN por ahí?

Quizá si los nombres vienen del INE tiene sentido pedir permiso allí, no?

--
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from my mobile 

El 5/1/2018 10:05, "Javier Sánchez Portero"  escribió:

> El 4 de enero de 2018, 23:03, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo  > escribió:
>
>> Supongo que algún otro puede comentarte con más detalle cómo está el tema
>> de las licencias de Cartociudad para la importación a OSM, si no recuerdo
>> mal es la misma que tenemos para otros productos del IGN pero espera que te
>> lo confirme alguien con más criterio en estr sentido que yo.
>>
>
> ¡Hola!
>
> CC-BY 4.0 = permiso expreso, como le comentaba a dazer. Espero opiniones.
>
>
>> Lo que quería comentarte es que este producto del IGN hasta dónde yo se
>> está bastante desactualizado en muchos lugares. Es más, una de las
>> cuestiones que se hablaron del interés que tenía el IGN para colaborar con
>> nosotros estaba en que habían contrastado que nuestros datos mejoraban
>> sustancialmente ese producto suyo.
>>
>> De la experiencia que yo tengo del uso de varias fuentes el catastro, los
>> números y nombres de calle, siempre es la que más se acerca a la realidad.
>> O sea, no encontré necesidad, para este tema, de recurrir a cartociudad.
>>
>
> Lo que más me interesa son los nombres de las calles. Yo sólo puedo hablar
> por un municipio que he estado revisando recientemente y tiene cambios
> (memoria histórica). Encuentro que los nombres de Cartociudad (INE) están
> un poco más actualizados que los de Catastro, pero a ambas le faltan
> nombres recientes comprobados sobre el terreno. La idea no es usar a
> ninguno como fuente primaria, sino contrastar las dos fuentes para en caso
> de discrepancia dirigir los esfuerzos de investigación sobre el terreno o
> decidir excluir direcciones de determinadas calles provisionalmente.
>
> Buscando en la red me encontré con esto. Me lo tengo que leer en detalle
> pero las conclusiones son muy interesantes
> https://dugi-doc.udg.edu//bitstream/handle/10256/4224/
> 28Art-Comparativa.pdf?sequence=1
>
>
>> A ver si alguien más puede arrojar más luz sobre el tema.
>>
>
> plegaria
>
>
>> Un saludo y enhorabuena por el trabajo que estás haciendo, la verdad es
>> que está genial que le estéis dando un repaso a la Wiki para dejarla en
>> condiciones.
>>
>
> No hay que darlas, Miguel. Saludos.
>
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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Javier Sánchez Portero]

El 4 de enero de 2018, 23:03, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo 
escribió:

> Supongo que algún otro puede comentarte con más detalle cómo está el tema
> de las licencias de Cartociudad para la importación a OSM, si no recuerdo
> mal es la misma que tenemos para otros productos del IGN pero espera que te
> lo confirme alguien con más criterio en estr sentido que yo.
>

¡Hola!

CC-BY 4.0 = permiso expreso, como le comentaba a dazer. Espero opiniones.


> Lo que quería comentarte es que este producto del IGN hasta dónde yo se
> está bastante desactualizado en muchos lugares. Es más, una de las
> cuestiones que se hablaron del interés que tenía el IGN para colaborar con
> nosotros estaba en que habían contrastado que nuestros datos mejoraban
> sustancialmente ese producto suyo.
>
> De la experiencia que yo tengo del uso de varias fuentes el catastro, los
> números y nombres de calle, siempre es la que más se acerca a la realidad.
> O sea, no encontré necesidad, para este tema, de recurrir a cartociudad.
>

Lo que más me interesa son los nombres de las calles. Yo sólo puedo hablar
por un municipio que he estado revisando recientemente y tiene cambios
(memoria histórica). Encuentro que los nombres de Cartociudad (INE) están
un poco más actualizados que los de Catastro, pero a ambas le faltan
nombres recientes comprobados sobre el terreno. La idea no es usar a
ninguno como fuente primaria, sino contrastar las dos fuentes para en caso
de discrepancia dirigir los esfuerzos de investigación sobre el terreno o
decidir excluir direcciones de determinadas calles provisionalmente.

Buscando en la red me encontré con esto. Me lo tengo que leer en detalle
pero las conclusiones son muy interesantes
https://dugi-doc.udg.edu//bitstream/handle/10256/4224/28Art-Comparativa.pdf?sequence=1


> A ver si alguien más puede arrojar más luz sobre el tema.
>

plegaria


> Un saludo y enhorabuena por el trabajo que estás haciendo, la verdad es
> que está genial que le estéis dando un repaso a la Wiki para dejarla en
> condiciones.
>

No hay que darlas, Miguel. Saludos.
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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Miguel Sevilla-Callejo]

Hola Javier,

Supongo que algún otro puede comentarte con más detalle cómo está el tema
de las licencias de Cartociudad para la importación a OSM, si no recuerdo
mal es la misma que tenemos para otros productos del IGN pero espera que te
lo confirme alguien con más criterio en estr sentido que yo.

Lo que quería comentarte es que este producto del IGN hasta dónde yo se
está bastante desactualizado en muchos lugares. Es más, una de las
cuestiones que se hablaron del interés que tenía el IGN para colaborar con
nosotros estaba en que habían contrastado que nuestros datos mejoraban
sustancialmente ese producto suyo.

De la experiencia que yo tengo del uso de varias fuentes el catastro, los
números y nombres de calle, siempre es la que más se acerca a la realidad.
O sea, no encontré necesidad, para este tema, de recurrir a cartociudad.

A ver si alguien más puede arrojar más luz sobre el tema.

Un saludo y enhorabuena por el trabajo que estás haciendo, la verdad es que
está genial que le estéis dando un repaso a la Wiki para dejarla en
condiciones.

Miguel


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Doctor en Geografía

2018-01-04 13:55 GMT+01:00 Javier Sánchez Portero :

> Hola
>
> Para la Importación de Catastro que está abierta en otro hilo, si además
> de edificios queremos importar direcciones, habrá que revisar los nombres
> de las calles y números de portales. La comprobación sobre el terreno es la
> mejor opción, pero se puede complementar consultando otras fuentes.
> Revisando otras fuentes externas de direcciones, la única alternativa a
> nivel nacional a Catastro que encuentro es Cartociudad/INE. Cartociudad [1]
> es un producto que agrega datos de varias fuentes y en sus especificaciones
> técnicas leo que la fuente utilizada para las direcciones es el INE [2].
> Comparando Catastro y Cartociudad, ambas pueden contener errores y datos
> desfasados, pero no son una réplica la una de la otra, hay diferencias que
> pueden servir para contrastar los nombres de las calles y ver donde hace
> falta revisión o descartar en caso de duda.
>
> Los datos originales del INE están en un formato muy especial. Lo que yo
> estoy buscando es una imagen de fondo que se pueda utilizar cuando los
> editores revisen los datos a importar de Catastro y eso lo proporciona el
> servicio WMS de Cartociudad. Cartociudad pertenece al Ministerio de
> Fomento/IGN y según se recoge en un borrador de importación [3] que surgió
> a raíz de la discusión en esta lista hace un año [4] podemos usar los datos
> de Cartociudad. Mi duda es que en dicha página [3] hace referencia a los
> datos en formato SHP y yo estoy interesado en la imagen de fondo WMS [5].
> En la página de fuentes de datos potenciales [6] (marcada para su limpieza)
> sólo se menciona a Cartociudad (un producto a nivel nacional) en el
> apartado de fuentes regionales para Madrid y no tengo claro el estado del
> WMS.
>
> Por tanto, una pregunta:
>
> ¿Se puede usar la imagen de fondo WMS de Cartociudad? Al menos para el uso
> concreto de revisar nombres de viales y números de portal.
>
> En caso afirmativo, puedo actualizarlo en las fuentes de datos [6] y hacer
> que aparezca en el listado de JOSM.
>
> Si es necesario solicitar autorización, puedo enviar una carta a
> Cartociudad solicitando el uso de su WMS.
>
> Si se considera que con lo que ya se ha hablado en las reuniones con el
> IGN es suficiente con hacer una mención en la página de contribuidores [7]
> puedo añadir en ella expresamente el producto Cartociudad.
>
> Saludos, Javier
>
> [1] http://www.cartociudad.es/portal/web/guest
> [2] http://www.ine.es/ss/Satellite?L=es_ES=Page=
> 1254735624326=1254735624326=ProductosYServicios%2FPYSLayout
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> Importaci%C3%B3n_IGN
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> December/014735.html
> [5] http://www.ign.es/wms-inspire/ign-base
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> potenciales_de_Espa%C3%B1a
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> Instituto_Geogr.C3.A1fico_Nacional_.28IGN.29
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Re: [Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[dazer]

Los productos y servicios de Cartociudad están bajo la misma licencia CC del
IGN
http://datos.gob.es/en/catalogo/e00125901-cartociudad

No veo ninguna diferencia entre esto y el uso del wms del PNOA.

Sugiero este esquema de atribución:
-Si se copian los datos que vemos, se añade a las vías correspondientes
source=Cartociudad y source:date la que tengan en el municipio que se está
mapeando: http://www.cartociudad.es/recursos/Cobertura/municipios.xls
-Atribución en el conjunto de cambios. Creo que con "IGN - Cartociudad"
debería valer.

Además, el texto explicativo de la licencia pone que para usar servicios sin
datos acoplados, se incluye lo que ponga en la etiqueta .
Eso sería "© Instituto Geográfico Nacional de España". Que supongo quedaría
bien en el wiki.



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[Talk-es] WMS Cartociudad

[Javier Sánchez Portero]

Hola

Para la Importación de Catastro que está abierta en otro hilo, si además de
edificios queremos importar direcciones, habrá que revisar los nombres de
las calles y números de portales. La comprobación sobre el terreno es la
mejor opción, pero se puede complementar consultando otras fuentes.
Revisando otras fuentes externas de direcciones, la única alternativa a
nivel nacional a Catastro que encuentro es Cartociudad/INE. Cartociudad [1]
es un producto que agrega datos de varias fuentes y en sus especificaciones
técnicas leo que la fuente utilizada para las direcciones es el INE [2].
Comparando Catastro y Cartociudad, ambas pueden contener errores y datos
desfasados, pero no son una réplica la una de la otra, hay diferencias que
pueden servir para contrastar los nombres de las calles y ver donde hace
falta revisión o descartar en caso de duda.

Los datos originales del INE están en un formato muy especial. Lo que yo
estoy buscando es una imagen de fondo que se pueda utilizar cuando los
editores revisen los datos a importar de Catastro y eso lo proporciona el
servicio WMS de Cartociudad. Cartociudad pertenece al Ministerio de
Fomento/IGN y según se recoge en un borrador de importación [3] que surgió
a raíz de la discusión en esta lista hace un año [4] podemos usar los datos
de Cartociudad. Mi duda es que en dicha página [3] hace referencia a los
datos en formato SHP y yo estoy interesado en la imagen de fondo WMS [5].
En la página de fuentes de datos potenciales [6] (marcada para su limpieza)
sólo se menciona a Cartociudad (un producto a nivel nacional) en el
apartado de fuentes regionales para Madrid y no tengo claro el estado del
WMS.

Por tanto, una pregunta:

¿Se puede usar la imagen de fondo WMS de Cartociudad? Al menos para el uso
concreto de revisar nombres de viales y números de portal.

En caso afirmativo, puedo actualizarlo en las fuentes de datos [6] y hacer
que aparezca en el listado de JOSM.

Si es necesario solicitar autorización, puedo enviar una carta a
Cartociudad solicitando el uso de su WMS.

Si se considera que con lo que ya se ha hablado en las reuniones con el IGN
es suficiente con hacer una mención en la página de contribuidores [7]
puedo añadir en ella expresamente el producto Cartociudad.

Saludos, Javier

[1] http://www.cartociudad.es/portal/web/guest
[2]
http://www.ine.es/ss/Satellite?L=es_ES=Page=1254735624326=1254735624326=ProductosYServicios%2FPYSLayout
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Espa%C3%B1a/Importaci%C3%B3n_IGN
[4]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-es/2016-December/014735.html
[5] http://www.ign.es/wms-inspire/ign-base
[6]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Fuentes_de_datos_potenciales_de_Espa%C3%B1a
[7]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Instituto_Geogr.C3.A1fico_Nacional_.28IGN.29
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS in ID

[joost schouppe]

Philippe,
Om te zien welke lagen in de service zitten:
http://data-mobility.irisnet.be/geoserver/bm_bike/wms?request=getcapabilities

En zoek naar bike_shed_view om bij het begin van de lagen te komen.

2017-03-31 11:46 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Beliën :

> Hello Philippe,
>
>
> You can't add "raw" WMS query directly to iD Editor.
> You need to create an URL containing every parameters needed (layers, zoom
> level, projection, ...) to make it work.
>
> If you tell me which layer(s) of this service you need, I can give you the
> correct URL to enter in iD !
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> Le 31-03-17 à 10:49, Philippe Casteleyn a écrit :
>
> Ik  probeer de OSM fietsparkings van Brussel met de officiële te
> vergelijken.
>
> Ik plak
>
> http://data-mobility.irisnet.be/geoserver/bm_bike/wms?
>
> in ID in de custom background.
>
> Maar er gebeurt niets.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS in ID

[Jonathan Beliën]

Hello Philippe,


You can't add "raw" WMS query directly to iD Editor.
You need to create an URL containing every parameters needed (layers, 
zoom level, projection, ...) to make it work.


If you tell me which layer(s) of this service you need, I can give you 
the correct URL to enter in iD !


Jonathan


Le 31-03-17 à 10:49, Philippe Casteleyn a écrit :


Ik  probeer de OSM fietsparkings van Brussel met de officiële te 
vergelijken.


Ik plak

http://data-mobility.irisnet.be/geoserver/bm_bike/wms?

in ID in de custom background.

Maar er gebeurt niets.



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[OSM-talk-be] WMS in ID

[Philippe Casteleyn]

Ik  probeer de OSM fietsparkings van Brussel met de officiële te vergelijken.

Ik plak

http://data-mobility.irisnet.be/geoserver/bm_bike/wms?

in ID in de custom background.

Maar er gebeurt niets.
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Re: [Talk-it] WMS ortofoto pcn 2012, problemi?

[Max1234Ita]

Non conosco le ragioni ma da qualche giorno è effettivamente impossibile
visualizzare ilayer PCN (sia 2006 che 2012).
A me JOSM non dà nessun errore, mi rimane solo la schermata vuota.

Mi chiedevo se, per tamponare, almeno sull'Umbria si potesse procedere
allineando Mapbox al layer della CTR 1:5000.

Ho fatto qualche changeset in questo modo (su Preci), visualizzando la
CTR5000 assieme al layer dati, su cui avevo tracciato alcuni edifici da PCN
2006/2012 prima che si verificasse il disservizio: non mi è sembrato che lo
scostamento dalle ortofoto sia così grande (è sicuramente inferiore Bing
puro e semplice).

Qualcuno può confermare?

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[Talk-it] WMS ortofoto pcn 2012, problemi?

[girarsi_liste]

Vi risulta problematico l'accesso al WMS PCN 2012?

Da diversi giorni mi restituisce error loading su Josm.
Ha connessioni limitate per via delterremoto e quindi ad uso e consumo
dei soli soggetti abilitati, oppure per quel che ne sapete, ha avuto danni?

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Re: [Talk-de] WMS/WFS/ERT Rasterdaten für Leaflet aufbereiten

[Michael Reichert]

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Hallo Sven,

Am 21.06.2016 um 09:21 schrieb Sven Anders:
> Aber das Laden der Daten dauert bei mir [2] im Vergleich zur Karte
> der Stadt Hamburg [3] sehr lange. Ich vermute weil der Server der
> Stadt die Daten erst in EPSG:3857 umrechnen muss.
> 
> Wie gehe ich am besten vor, um das zu ändern? Die Daten sind auf
> der Seite [1] auch als ERT Rasterpunkte verfügbar.
> 
> Ich kenn mich mit dem ganzen GIS Karm nicht so aus. Würde es aber
> gerne lernen.

Du kannst z.B. mit Mapserver (Disclaimer: es gibt auch andere freie
Software) einen WMS aufsetzen. Ich selbst betreibe einen WMS mit den
Daten des DB-Streckennetzes. [1] Dazu habe ich die Daten (GeoJSON) in
eine PostGIS-Datenbank mit ogr2ogr importiert. ogr2ogr kann die Daten
auch transformieren, z.B. von EPSG: in EPSG:3857.
Dazu einfach -t_srs "EPSG:3857" mit angeben.

Mapserver läuft bei mir als CGI. In der Apache-Konfiguration habe ich
einen Alias erstellt, der michreichert.de/vzg-strecken auf
/usr/lib/cgi-bin/mapserv umbiegt und dem Executable noch die
Umgebungsvariable MS_MAPFILE= übergibt.

Das Mapfile ist das "Stylesheet" des WMS. Es kann mehrere Layer enthalte
n.

Mapserver kann Shapefiles und GeoTIFFs sowie alles, was GDAL lesen
kann, lesen. Mit Rasterdaten habe ich noch nicht gearbeitet.

Ich habe mir Mapserver mit deren Tutorial beigebracht.
http://mapserver.org/tutorial/index.html#tutorial

Viele Grüße

Michael


[1]
http://lists.openrailwaymap.org/archives/openrailwaymap/2016-March/00043
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[Talk-de] WMS/WFS/ERT Rasterdaten für Leaflet aufbereiten

[Sven Anders]

Moin,

für die Tempo 30 Aktion des ADFCs in Hamburg würde ich gerne die 
Lärmschutzdaten von Hamburg [1] auf einer Karte mit OSM einbinden.

Ich mache das zur Zeit mit Leaflet:

  var layer = 
L.tileLayer.wms("http://geodienste.hamburg.de/HH_WMS_Strassenverkehr;, {
layers: '1',
format: 'image/png',
transparent: true,
attribution: "Laermkarten Hamburg © Datenlizenz Deutschland 
Namensnennung 
2.0"
});

Aber das Laden der Daten dauert bei mir [2] im Vergleich zur Karte der Stadt 
Hamburg [3] sehr lange. Ich vermute weil der Server der Stadt die Daten erst 
in EPSG:3857 umrechnen muss.

Wie gehe ich am besten vor, um das zu ändern? Die Daten sind auf der Seite [1] 
auch als ERT Rasterpunkte verfügbar.

Ich kenn mich mit dem ganzen GIS Karm nicht so aus. Würde es aber gerne 
lernen.

Vielen Dank für Euere Hilfe und Gruß
Sven


1: http://suche.transparenz.hamburg.de/dataset/larmkarten-hamburg-47c-blmschg1
2: https://anders.hamburg/adfc/tempo30/
3: 
http://www.geoportal-hamburg.de/Geoportal/geo-online/?id=030A8F47-EBEF-4669-94FC-0299BB7D5C88

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[lionel bulpa]

[FR]Bonjour, 
Il me semblait qu'on ne pouvait pas copier ces données dans OSM, est-ce que ce 
n'était pas le message qui est passé il y a quelques mois?
Lionel
[EN]Hello,It seems to me that we could not copy the data into OSM, is that this 
was not the message that is passed in the last few months?Lionel
[NL]Hallo,Het lijkt mij dat we niet de gegevens in OSM kan kopiëren, is dat dit 
was niet de boodschap die wordt doorgegeven in de laatste paar maanden?Lionel

From: a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com
To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 03:09:55 +0200
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM 
est obsolete


  

  
  
On 2016-06-06 02:43, André Pirard
  wrote:



  Please do JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>Available
  default entries>refresh (whirling arrows)  and

  Activate : BE : SPW(allonie) PICC numerical imagery

  OK

  and use the PICC layer as before.


Je constate qu'il n'y a pas de noms de rues et qu'il y a des
ridicules colliers de boules de coton.

D'autre part, j'ai lu qu'ils ont (par exemple) retiré les points de
références bien utiles pour vérifier le positionnement.

Je vais vérifier demain si tout est complet.

Si oui, je chercherai un calque supplémentaire contenant les noms.

Ce n'est pas plus mal, car les noms masquaient souvent le centre de
la voie.



En attendant, pourriez-vous repérer de semblables autres
inconvénients et améliorations.



Cordialement,





  

  André.

  



  


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[André Pirard]

On 2016-06-06 02:43, André Pirard wrote:
> Please do JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>Available default
> entries>refresh (whirling arrows)  and
> Activate : BE : SPW(allonie) PICC numerical imagery
> OK
> and use the PICC layer as before.
Je constate qu'il n'y a pas de noms de rues et qu'il y a des ridicules
colliers de boules de coton.
D'autre part, j'ai lu qu'ils ont (par exemple) retiré les points de
références bien utiles pour vérifier le positionnement.
Je vais vérifier demain si tout est complet.
Si oui, je chercherai un calque supplémentaire contenant les noms.
Ce n'est pas plus mal, car les noms masquaient souvent le centre de la voie.

En attendant, pourriez-vous repérer de semblables autres inconvénients
et améliorations.

Cordialement,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[André Pirard]

On 2016-06-05 00:51, Erik B wrote:
> Les données géographiques SPW PICC disponible comme layer dans JOSM ne
> fonctionnent plus.
> Message sur Géoportail de la Wallonie  :
> CETTE DONNÉE  EST DÉSACTIVÉE DÉFINITIVEMENT DEPUIS LE 31 MAI 2016 ;
> IL N'EST PLUS POSSIBLE DE L'OBTENIR ; VEUILLEZ UTILISER LA NOUVELLE
> VERSION DU PICC.
>
> Est-ce que cette nouvelle version est disponible? Et avec quel lien?

Please do JOSM>Imagery>Imagery Preferences>Available default
entries>refresh (whirling arrows)  and
Activate : BE : SPW(allonie) PICC numerical imagery
OK
and use the PICC layer as before.

Please use JOSM now that I made it possible.  It means 20 cm precision
and it detects many errors instead of the 2 to 5 m offset that is
usually seen, made by other methods.

WMS URL :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/TOPOGRAPHIE/PICC_VDIFF/MapServer/WmsServer?

More will come from me.

Effectuer le rafraîchissement ci-dessus du SPW PICC pré-configuré et
utilisez-le comme le précédent.

Merci pour l'avertissement.
J'avais écrit au SPW pour demander comment on peut être averti des
changements et je n'ai pas reçu de réponse comme d'habitude.  Mailing
list?  Je vois un RSS mais ça ne me semble pas pratique (chaque page?
les nouvelles? pas de journal?).

*S'il vous plait*, maintenant que j'ai tout fait pour que ce soit
possible, utilisez JOSM. Je vois sans cesse, au lieu de la précision de
20 cm, des éléments qui sont dessinés à 2 ou 5 m de leur endroit, sans
parler des erreurs que seul JOSM détecte.  C'est comme si un travail de
5 ans devait être recommencé.

Cheers
Cordialement,

André.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[Erik B]

J'ai vu http://geoportail.wallonie.be/home/infos-donnees.html
Cet URL donne des informations sur PICC-ancien modèle et les nouvelles 
versions et comment accéder mais pas de WMS.


Erik

Op 05-06-16 om 09:57 schreef André Pirard:

On 2016-06-05 02:09, André Pirard wrote:

On 2016-06-05 00:51, Erik B wrote:
Les données géographiques SPW PICC disponible comme layer dans JOSM 
ne fonctionnent plus.

Message sur Géoportail de la Wallonie  :
CETTE DONNÉE  EST DÉSACTIVÉE DÉFINITIVEMENT DEPUIS LE 31 MAI 2016 ;
IL N'EST PLUS POSSIBLE DE L'OBTENIR ; VEUILLEZ UTILISER LA NOUVELLE 
VERSION DU PICC.


Est-ce que cette nouvelle version est disponible? Et avec quel lien?

Je vais tenter de remédier à ça demain soir.

Car je dois m'absenter la journée, je pars à l'instant.
En attendant, pour gagner du temps, à quel URL est ce message et en 
faisant quoi l'obtient-on?
Le message contient   Géoportail 
de la Wallonie


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[Jakka]

Op 5/06/2016 om 9:57 schreef André Pirard:

On 2016-06-05 02:09, André Pirard wrote:

On 2016-06-05 00:51, Erik B wrote:

Les données géographiques SPW PICC disponible comme layer dans JOSM
ne fonctionnent plus.
Message sur Géoportail de la Wallonie  :
CETTE DONNÉE  EST DÉSACTIVÉE DÉFINITIVEMENT DEPUIS LE 31 MAI 2016 ;
IL N'EST PLUS POSSIBLE DE L'OBTENIR ; VEUILLEZ UTILISER LA NOUVELLE
VERSION DU PICC.

Est-ce que cette nouvelle version est disponible? Et avec quel lien?

Je vais tenter de remédier à ça demain soir.

Car je dois m'absenter la journée, je pars à l'instant.
En attendant, pour gagner du temps, à quel URL est ce message et en
faisant quoi l'obtient-on?
Le message contient   Géoportail de
la Wallonie

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Le liens demandé...

http://geoportail.wallonie.be/home/a-la-une/a-la-une/attention--lancien-picc-tire-sa-reverence-le-31-mai-2016.html


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2016-06-05 02:09, André Pirard
  wrote:


  
  On 2016-06-05 00:51, Erik B wrote:
  
  

Les données géographiques SPW PICC disponible comme layer dans
JOSM ne fonctionnent plus.
Message sur Géoportail de la
  Wallonie :
CETTE DONNÉE  EST DÉSACTIVÉE DÉFINITIVEMENT DEPUIS LE 31 MAI
2016 ; 
IL N'EST PLUS POSSIBLE DE L'OBTENIR ; VEUILLEZ UTILISER LA
NOUVELLE VERSION DU PICC. 

Est-ce que cette nouvelle version est disponible? Et avec quel
lien?
  
  Je vais tenter de remédier à ça demain soir.

Car je dois m'absenter la journée, je pars à l'instant.
En attendant, pour gagner du temps, à quel URL est ce message et en
faisant quoi l'obtient-on?
Le message contient   Géoportail de la
Wallonie

Cheers 


  

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2016-06-05 00:51, Erik B wrote:


  
  Les données géographiques SPW PICC disponible comme layer dans
  JOSM ne fonctionnent plus.
  Message sur Géoportail de la Wallonie
  :
  CETTE DONNÉE  EST DÉSACTIVÉE DÉFINITIVEMENT DEPUIS LE 31 MAI 2016
  ; 
  IL N'EST PLUS POSSIBLE DE L'OBTENIR ; VEUILLEZ UTILISER LA
  NOUVELLE VERSION DU PICC. 
  
  Est-ce que cette nouvelle version est disponible? Et avec quel
  lien?

Je vais tenter de remédier à ça demain soir.

Cheers



  

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[OSM-talk-be] WMS layer SPW(Wallonie) PICC disponible dans JOSM est obsolete

[Erik B]

Les données géographiques SPW PICC disponible comme layer dans JOSM ne 
fonctionnent plus.

Message sur Géoportail de la Wallonie  :
CETTE DONNÉE  EST DÉSACTIVÉE DÉFINITIVEMENT DEPUIS LE 31 MAI 2016 ;
IL N'EST PLUS POSSIBLE DE L'OBTENIR ; VEUILLEZ UTILISER LA NOUVELLE 
VERSION DU PICC.


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Re: [Talk-it] wms Google earth

[Federico Cortese]

Non so altrove, ma in provincia di Lecce le Mapbox sono perfettamente
identiche alle Bing.
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Re: [Talk-it] wms Google earth

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

In breve: per motivi di licenza non puoi copiare dalle mappe di Google.
Non so nemmeno se esista un wms di Google earth.
Puoi usare le immagini satellitari di Bing o quelle del ministero del 2012.
Sono nei preset di josm.
Saluti
Fabrizio
Il 19/Set/2015 20:28, "Massimo Primiceri"  ha
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> Earth in modo da aggiungerlo come immagine aerea in JOSM? Grazie.
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[michele iw1gfv]

Il 19 Settembre 2015 20:27:32 CEST, Massimo Primiceri 
 ha scritto:
>Ciao a tutti. Sapreste darmi una dritta dove reperire il WMS di Google
>Earth in modo da aggiungerlo come immagine aerea in JOSM? Grazie.

Che io sappia il wms di google satellite non è presente per problemi con la 
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[Massimo Primiceri]

lo so lo so... bing e ministero ok. Solo che avevo notato che nella mia
zona google earth hafatto nuove rilevazioni aeree nel luglio scorso. Quindi
tutto aggiornatissimo. Se non ci sono soluzioni, Pazienza

Il giorno 19 settembre 2015 20:59, Fabrizio Tambussa 
ha scritto:

> In breve: per motivi di licenza non puoi copiare dalle mappe di Google.
> Non so nemmeno se esista un wms di Google earth.
> Puoi usare le immagini satellitari di Bing o quelle del ministero del
> 2012. Sono nei preset di josm.
> Saluti
> Fabrizio
> Il 19/Set/2015 20:28, "Massimo Primiceri" 
> ha scritto:
>
>> Ciao a tutti. Sapreste darmi una dritta dove reperire il WMS di Google
>> Earth in modo da aggiungerlo come immagine aerea in JOSM? Grazie.
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[Leonardo Frassetto]

Mapbox satellite e PCN Italia 2012 potrebbero avere qualche dettaglio in
più se vuoi. Sono sempre disponibili su josm.
Il 19/set/2015 22:12, "Massimo Primiceri"  ha
scritto:

> lo so lo so... bing e ministero ok. Solo che avevo notato che nella mia
> zona google earth hafatto nuove rilevazioni aeree nel luglio scorso. Quindi
> tutto aggiornatissimo. Se non ci sono soluzioni, Pazienza
>
> Il giorno 19 settembre 2015 20:59, Fabrizio Tambussa 
> ha scritto:
>
>> In breve: per motivi di licenza non puoi copiare dalle mappe di Google.
>> Non so nemmeno se esista un wms di Google earth.
>> Puoi usare le immagini satellitari di Bing o quelle del ministero del
>> 2012. Sono nei preset di josm.
>> Saluti
>> Fabrizio
>> Il 19/Set/2015 20:28, "Massimo Primiceri" 
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Ciao a tutti. Sapreste darmi una dritta dove reperire il WMS di Google
>>> Earth in modo da aggiungerlo come immagine aerea in JOSM? Grazie.
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[Talk-it] wms Google earth

[Massimo Primiceri]

Ciao a tutti. Sapreste darmi una dritta dove reperire il WMS di Google
Earth in modo da aggiungerlo come immagine aerea in JOSM? Grazie.

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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS UHUL

[Jachym Cepicky]

no, taky bych rekl, ze problem je v josm - musi proste vedet co do toho
leze za data a chovat se podle toho, ne ohybat server podle klienta

jakkoliv samozrejme by bylo od uhulaku moc hezky, kdyby 3857 pridali .. ale
moc tomu nedavam

út 28. 7. 2015 v 12:18 odesílatel Ha Noj eha...@gmail.com napsal:

  Díky, tušil sem, že to něco takového bude.
  Nerozumím ale tomu proč projekci EPSG:4326 propagují, když vlastně nejde
  rozumně použít. V Mobile Atlas Creator, v kterém sem to používal,
 dlaždice
  také nesedí a ten jinou projekci jak 4326 ani neumí.
 *** V JOSM samozřejmě lze přepnout (preferences/map settings/...) do
 projekce EPSG:4326 a pak pojede korektne i UHUL s 4326. Analogicky tak
 lze ucinit s EPSG:32633.

 To co nefunguje je JOSM 3857 + UHUL 4326.


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[Ha Noj]

 no, taky bych rekl, ze problem je v josm - musi proste vedet co do toho leze
 za data a chovat se podle toho, ne ohybat server podle klienta
*** no nejak se musi server zachovat, pokud dostane dotaz BBOX 1x1 m a
WidthHeight 1x2 px:

1) CUZK a CENIA WMS vrati BBOX 1x1 m a WidthHeight 1x2 px.
2) UHUL WMS vrati BBOX 1x2 m a WidthHeight 1x2 px, coz je fail.


Takze proc toho snadno nevyuzit, kdyz - jak sam rikas - na server nedosahnes.

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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS UHUL

[Ha Noj]

Ano,
potřebná projekce pro JOSM EPSG:3857 není na serveru k dispozici a
simultánní transformaci sever skrze EPSG:4326 s lat/lon neproporční
width/height nedává (a tudíž výsledné dlaždice na sebe nenazují ani
nesedí na podklad).

ha
hanoj

Dne 28. července 2015 10:22 Eva Jelínková evka.jelink...@gmail.com napsal(a):
 Ahoj,

 v QGIS i jinde mi tato WMS funguje bez problému. Možná je problém v tom, že
 ÚHÚL ji poskytuje přímo jen v projekcích:
 CRSEPSG:102067/CRS
 CRSEPSG:2065/CRS
 CRSEPSG:32633/CRS
 CRSEPSG:4326/CRS
 CRSEPSG:5514/CRS
 - tzn. samý Křovák nebo WGS84, žádný pseudomercator (3857 nebo 90013).

 V JOSM se mi taky zobrazuje blbě, asi to JOSM nezvládá přetransformovat... -
 nedá se tam někde nějak rozumně nastavit souřadnicový systém vstupních dat?

 Eva


 Dne 28. července 2015 8:36 jiri2 jiri@seznam.cz napsal(a):

 Ahoj,

 někdy, už před delší dobou UHUL předělal WMS server.

 Pokud nastavím v JOSM vrstvy podle
 http://geoportal.uhul.cz/wms_oprl/service.svc/get?request=GetCapabilitiesservice=WMS.
 Server dlaždice vrátí, ale je asi zdeformovaná projekce. Konkrétně mi
 nefungují Cesty odvozní. Podobně to funguje i v jiných programech.
 Podařilo se to někomu zprovoznit.

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[Ha Noj]

 Díky, tušil sem, že to něco takového bude.
 Nerozumím ale tomu proč projekci EPSG:4326 propagují, když vlastně nejde
 rozumně použít. V Mobile Atlas Creator, v kterém sem to používal, dlaždice
 také nesedí a ten jinou projekci jak 4326 ani neumí.
*** V JOSM samozřejmě lze přepnout (preferences/map settings/...) do
projekce EPSG:4326 a pak pojede korektne i UHUL s 4326. Analogicky tak
lze ucinit s EPSG:32633.

To co nefunguje je JOSM 3857 + UHUL 4326.


ha
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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS UHUL

[Eva Jelínková]

Ahoj,

v QGIS i jinde mi tato WMS funguje bez problému. Možná je problém v tom, že
ÚHÚL ji poskytuje přímo jen v projekcích:
CRSEPSG:102067/CRS
CRSEPSG:2065/CRS
CRSEPSG:32633/CRS
CRSEPSG:4326/CRS
CRSEPSG:5514/CRS
- tzn. samý Křovák nebo WGS84, žádný pseudomercator (3857 nebo 90013).

V JOSM se mi taky zobrazuje blbě, asi to JOSM nezvládá přetransformovat...
- nedá se tam někde nějak rozumně nastavit souřadnicový systém vstupních
dat?

Eva


Dne 28. července 2015 8:36 jiri2 jiri@seznam.cz napsal(a):

  Ahoj,

 někdy, už před delší dobou UHUL předělal WMS server.

 Pokud nastavím v JOSM vrstvy podle
 http://geoportal.uhul.cz/wms_oprl/service.svc/get?request=GetCapabilitiesservice=WMS.
 Server dlaždice vrátí, ale je asi zdeformovaná projekce. Konkrétně mi
 nefungují Cesty odvozní. Podobně to funguje i v jiných programech.
 Podařilo se to někomu zprovoznit.

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[Talk-cz] WMS UHUL

[jiri2]

Díky, tušil sem, že to něco takového bude.
Nerozumím ale tomu proč projekci EPSG:4326 propagují, když vlastně nejde 
rozumně použít. V Mobile Atlas Creator, v kterém sem to používal, dlaždice 
také nesedí a ten jinou projekci jak 4326 ani neumí.

Jirka

--

Ano,
potřebná projekce pro JOSM EPSG:3857 není na serveru k dispozici a
simultánní transformaci sever skrze EPSG:4326 s lat/lon neproporční
width/height nedává (a tudíž výsledné dlaždice na sebe nenazují ani
nesedí na podklad).

ha
hanoj

Dne 28. července 2015 10:22 Eva Jelínková evka.jelinkova at gmail.com 
napsal(a):
 Ahoj,

 v QGIS i jinde mi tato WMS funguje bez problému. Možná je problém v tom, 
že
 ÚHÚL ji poskytuje přímo jen v projekcích:
 CRSEPSG:102067/CRS
 CRSEPSG:2065/CRS
 CRSEPSG:32633/CRS
 CRSEPSG:4326/CRS
 CRSEPSG:5514/CRS
 - tzn. samý Křovák nebo WGS84, žádný pseudomercator (3857 nebo 90013).

 V JOSM se mi taky zobrazuje blbě, asi to JOSM nezvládá přetransformovat...
-
 nedá se tam někde nějak rozumně nastavit souřadnicový systém vstupních 
dat?

 Eva


 Dne 28. července 2015 8:36 jiri2 jiri.ja2 at seznam.cz napsal(a):

 Ahoj,

 někdy, už před delší dobou UHUL předělal WMS server.

 Pokud nastavím v JOSM vrstvy podle
 http://geoportal.uhul.cz/wms_oprl/service.svc/get?request=GetCapabilities
service=WMS.
 Server dlaždice vrátí, ale je asi zdeformovaná projekce. Konkrétně mi
 nefungují Cesty odvozní. Podobně to funguje i v jiných programech.
 Podařilo se to někomu zprovoznit.
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[Talk-cz] WMS UHUL

[jiri2]

Ahoj,



někdy, už před delší dobou UHUL předělal WMS server.



Pokud nastavím v JOSM vrstvy podle http://geoportal.uhul.cz/wms_oprl/
service.svc/get?request=GetCapabilitiesservice=WMS
(http://geoportal.uhul.cz/wms_oprl/service.svc/get?request=GetCapabilitiesservice=WMS)
. Server dlaždice vrátí, ale je asi zdeformovaná projekce. Konkrétně mi 
nefungují Cesty odvozní. Podobně to funguje i v jiných programech. 
Podařilo se to někomu zprovoznit.



Jirka.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[Jan Laporte]

Yes, it will be free for download in vector format, even without registration 
on the AGIV-website. Similar to the availability of CRAB.
Same for the webservices.


From: Jo [mailto:winfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: maandag 5 januari 2015 13:47
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now 
conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

That is indeed great news! Does it mean we'll be able to use the building 
outlines/contours as well then, in the foreseeable future? And, if so, would 
they be available as vectors/shape files, like in the UrbIS dataset? Or am I 
mistaken and is that in CRAB and not in GRB?
Jo

2015-01-05 12:03 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas 
gl...@byte-consult.bemailto:gl...@byte-consult.be:
Thanks Jan for keeping us in the loop.  This is awesome news.

Glenn



On 05-01-15 11:08, Jan Laporte wrote:
 GRB currently is in the process of becoming open data. The agreement is
 signed and official. Only the GRB-decree needs to be edited now before
 it effectively is open data. I can unfortunately not give a timing for that.



 In any case, it’ll be allowed quite soon.



 cheers





 *From:*André Pirard 
 [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.commailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* donderdag 1 januari 2015 17:49
 *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
 *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now
 conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM



 On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :

 The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using

 Bing, and we all know where that leads to...



 We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly

 frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added

 all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed

 properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[Jan Laporte]

Well, up to today, all the work is being done by AGIV. The municipalities can 
report issues with the database, it still is AGIV that sends out a contractor 
to do the mapping. And we always check 10% of the work our contractors bring 
in. Hence, the quality should be pretty much equal all over Flanders.

Now in the future, the municipalities will be able to do their own mapping. 
They can send in as-built plans after construction works (public domain, not 
houses), those plans will be integrated in the GRB.

Indeed, new houses are not yet fully mapped. A surveyor can of course not enter 
private terrain to map the back side of houses. So they map the front and add 5 
meters to create the shape. We are currently updating those houses based on 
aerial mapping. In the future we will no longer release those half-mapped 
houses (people call them “garageboxen”). We have new aerial images every year, 
the houses will be released only when fully mapped.

And indeed, mapping houses is a lot easier in rural areas than in urban areas. 
Building layouts can be complicated and the only indications our mappers have 
is what’s visible form the air (of course in combination with what was visible 
to the surveyor in the street). Perhaps a guesstimation sometimes looks better, 
but still what you see on the GRB is what is seen on aerial images. It could be 
that reality is more complex than a guesstimation. I’m not saying it all is 
perfect, but things like projection distortion should be rather exceptional, 
since they’re mapped with a stereo photo mapping technique.

Cheers,
jan


From: Stijn Rombauts [mailto:stijnromba...@yahoo.com]
Sent: maandag 5 januari 2015 21:29
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now 
conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

Even in het Nederlands als ik mag.

De gemeentes zijn verantwoordelijk voor 'hun' GRB. Ik vermoed dat alle 
gemeentes de opbouw van hun GRB uitbesteed hebben aan landmeters. Misschien dat 
updates (zie bv. 
https://www.agiv.be/news/2014/december/update-grootschalig-referentiebestand-20-12-2014)
 door de gemeentes zelf aan het GRB worden toegevoegd. Maar het is dus perfect 
mogelijk dat de kwaliteit in de ene gemeente minder is dan in een andere 
gemeente. Maar ze zouden eigenlijk toch allemaal moeten voldoen aan de eisen 
die door AGIV zijn opgelegd.
De gebouwen in het GRB zijn gebaseerd op topografische opmetingen op terrein en 
op luchtfoto's. Waar mogelijk zijn de voorgevels opgemeten: die zouden dus 
behoorlijk correct moeten zijn. De rest is gebaseerd op de luchtfoto's. Zo 
krijg je soms vreemde toestanden van recente gebouwen waarvan de voorgevel is 
opgemeten, maar het achterliggende stuk grotendeels ontbreekt omdat ze niet op 
de luchtfoto's staan/stonden. De huizen in Beekstraat 55-61 zijn waarschijnlijk 
zo'n geval.

Groetje,

StijnRR


From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.commailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium 
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Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now 
conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

I assume the quality depends on the GIS person adding the data. If he/she is 
less motivated/less capable/... the quality will be less.

The example that you give seems like the classic case where the building was 
not yet finished when it was traced. Then they always draw a small rectangle 
along the front side.

regards

m


On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Sander Deryckere 
sander...@gmail.commailto:sander...@gmail.com wrote:

I think Pablo also helped in some pieces of the GRB: 
http://www.geopunt.be/kaart?viewer_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.geopunt.be%2Fresources%2Fapps%2FGeopunt-kaart_app%2Findex.html%3Fid%3Dff8080814a6e1332014abb6b94c80023
Is it normal that quality differs from municipality to municipality? In Staden, 
I haven't seen any problem with GRB. But in Roeselare, I often bump into 
problems like these. Buildings with a completely clear form (however, they're 
often quite new, so perhaps drawn without aerial pics), but drawn completely 
wrong in GRB.
Up until now, I've avoided the old centre of the town, because the building 
layouts are way too complicated there. It might get easier when we have access 
to the GRB.

So yes, an automated import won't work, but being able to use it opens up a lot 
of perspectives, so thanks to anyone involved.
Regards,
Sander

2015-01-05 15:35 GMT+01:00 Gilbert Hersschens 
gherssch...@gmail.commailto:gherssch...@gmail.com:

In comparison to Bing even Picasso wins ;-)

On 5 January 2015 at 15:30, Glenn Plas 
gl...@byte-consult.bemailto:gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

In my experience, the outlines and building shapes I've seen in GRB are
like 10 times better than all the work that exists using bing and other
sources.

A one on one copy would be silly, but if you bring it all together,
agiv/grb and osm data

Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

@sander: nice one to email Mapbox to update their imagery! :-)

On the GRB:

Every datasource lies even when of the highest possible quality. For
example, the definition of a building may differ in some places. Think
about a building with an underground parking place for example?

It's great that we can use this as a source and this will improve OSM in a
lot of places in the future. We will just have to treat it like any other
source. IMHO almost always surveys or local knowledge is better and this
will be or always should stay our strength.

When looking at our own house I would add more detail, as I did in OSM,
compared to GRB but this is only possible when you know the location.

Thanks @ Jan Laporte for the detailed information here!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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[Jan Laporte]

GRB currently is in the process of becoming open data. The agreement is signed 
and official. Only the GRB-decree needs to be edited now before it effectively 
is open data. I can unfortunately not give a timing for that.

In any case, it’ll be allowed quite soon.

cheers


From: André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
Sent: donderdag 1 januari 2015 17:49
To: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now 
conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :

The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using

Bing, and we all know where that leads to...



We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly

frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added

all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed

properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.
If I understand well, GRB is the digitalized map and it is not allowed.
Belgium is a strange country.
In the north, they're able but not allowed to use it.
In the south, they are allowed to use it but unable to (no WMS 4326).
We should focus on adding to SPW Arcgis the few configuration lines I've shown.
That's all there is to it unless the Arcgis doc is deceiving.

Cheers
André.




There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,

give them the option.



Glenn







On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:

It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to

know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not

supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines

are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.



I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for

WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd

have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use

older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier

to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.



Jo



2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere 
sander...@gmail.commailto:sander...@gmail.com

mailto:sander...@gmail.commailto:sander...@gmail.com:



Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default

layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without

reading about the limitations.






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[Glenn Plas]

Thanks Jan for keeping us in the loop.  This is awesome news.

Glenn



On 05-01-15 11:08, Jan Laporte wrote:
 GRB currently is in the process of becoming open data. The agreement is
 signed and official. Only the GRB-decree needs to be edited now before
 it effectively is open data. I can unfortunately not give a timing for that.
 
  
 
 In any case, it’ll be allowed quite soon.
 
  
 
 cheers
 
  
 
  
 
 *From:*André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* donderdag 1 januari 2015 17:49
 *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
 *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now
 conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM
 
  
 
 On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :
 
 The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
 
 Bing, and we all know where that leads to...
 
  
 
 We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
 
 frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
 
 all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
 
 properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.

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[Gilbert Hersschens]

Guys,

Don't get overly exited about the building shapes. The quality of those
shapes is quite variable. For free standing houses they are OK - in some
cases even excellent, but for urban areas they are not very useful,
certainly not as a source for import. I have been using those shapes for
quite a while for comparison in cases where severe projection distortion
and strong shadows gave me a hard time to figure out the shape of a
particular building and in many cases the shapes in GRB were not better or
even worse than my own guesstimation.
They're OK for second opinions but I would never use a tool to import
those shapes.
Just my 2 cents.

BTW, there are many other items in GRB besides the building shapes which
are very helpful: shapes of administrative plots, railways (including
disused tracks), streetnames, waterways, etc..).
GRB also contains house numbers, but I prefer to use the CRAB WMS for that (
http://geo.agiv.be/inspire/wms/Adressen?). I've had a few cases where the
CRAB numbers were different from those in GRB. After consulting with the
local GIS administrator in all cases CRAB was right and GRB was wrong. It
seems that CRAB and GRB are still not completely in sync...

Gilbert

On 5 January 2015 at 14:14, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 In the worst case, we could try to do something with the Tracer2 plugin
 for JOSM
 See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Tracer2

 regards

 m

 On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is indeed great news! Does it mean we'll be able to use the building
 outlines/contours as well then, in the foreseeable future? And, if so,
 would they be available as vectors/shape files, like in the UrbIS dataset?
 Or am I mistaken and is that in CRAB and not in GRB?

 Jo

 2015-01-05 12:03 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be:

 Thanks Jan for keeping us in the loop.  This is awesome news.

 Glenn



 On 05-01-15 11:08, Jan Laporte wrote:
  GRB currently is in the process of becoming open data. The agreement is
  signed and official. Only the GRB-decree needs to be edited now before
  it effectively is open data. I can unfortunately not give a timing for
 that.
 
 
 
  In any case, it’ll be allowed quite soon.
 
 
 
  cheers
 
 
 
 
 
  *From:*André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
  *Sent:* donderdag 1 januari 2015 17:49
  *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
  *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now
  conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM
 
 
 
  On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :
 
  The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct'
 using
 
  Bing, and we all know where that leads to...
 
 
 
  We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
 
  frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have
 added
 
  all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
 
  properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious
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[Jo]

That is indeed great news! Does it mean we'll be able to use the building
outlines/contours as well then, in the foreseeable future? And, if so,
would they be available as vectors/shape files, like in the UrbIS dataset?
Or am I mistaken and is that in CRAB and not in GRB?

Jo

2015-01-05 12:03 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be:

 Thanks Jan for keeping us in the loop.  This is awesome news.

 Glenn



 On 05-01-15 11:08, Jan Laporte wrote:
  GRB currently is in the process of becoming open data. The agreement is
  signed and official. Only the GRB-decree needs to be edited now before
  it effectively is open data. I can unfortunately not give a timing for
 that.
 
 
 
  In any case, it’ll be allowed quite soon.
 
 
 
  cheers
 
 
 
 
 
  *From:*André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
  *Sent:* donderdag 1 januari 2015 17:49
  *To:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
  *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now
  conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM
 
 
 
  On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :
 
  The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct'
 using
 
  Bing, and we all know where that leads to...
 
 
 
  We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
 
  frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
 
  all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
 
  properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious
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[Glenn Plas]

In my experience, the outlines and building shapes I've seen in GRB are
like 10 times better than all the work that exists using bing and other
sources.

A one on one copy would be silly, but if you bring it all together,
agiv/grb and osm data, it helps to make sense of what you are looking
at. Also it is conclusive usually when new buildings replace older.
It's the best source, I don't really care if the house isn't exactly as-is.

The housenumber inports will take years, but it's fine as it is as tons
of intelligent choices and conclusions, mistakes and other uglynes needs
to be fixed too. And it all helps, if you overlay them with some
transparacy adding GRB would be an awesome tool.

I've been doing housenumer entries for weeks now, grb layer would
defenitely be of good help.  But never a dumb copy.

Glenn

On 05-01-15 15:05, Gilbert Hersschens wrote:
 Guys,
 
 Don't get overly exited about the building shapes. The quality of those
 shapes is quite variable. For free standing houses they are OK - in some
 cases even excellent, but for urban areas they are not very useful,
 certainly not as a source for import. I have been using those shapes for
 quite a while for comparison in cases where severe projection distortion
 and strong shadows gave me a hard time to figure out the shape of a
 particular building and in many cases the shapes in GRB were not better
 or even worse than my own guesstimation.
 They're OK for second opinions but I would never use a tool to import
 those shapes.
 Just my 2 cents.

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[Gilbert Hersschens]

In comparison to Bing even Picasso wins ;-)

On 5 January 2015 at 15:30, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 In my experience, the outlines and building shapes I've seen in GRB are
 like 10 times better than all the work that exists using bing and other
 sources.

 A one on one copy would be silly, but if you bring it all together,
 agiv/grb and osm data, it helps to make sense of what you are looking
 at. Also it is conclusive usually when new buildings replace older.
 It's the best source, I don't really care if the house isn't exactly as-is.

 The housenumber inports will take years, but it's fine as it is as tons
 of intelligent choices and conclusions, mistakes and other uglynes needs
 to be fixed too. And it all helps, if you overlay them with some
 transparacy adding GRB would be an awesome tool.

 I've been doing housenumer entries for weeks now, grb layer would
 defenitely be of good help.  But never a dumb copy.

 Glenn

 On 05-01-15 15:05, Gilbert Hersschens wrote:
  Guys,
 
  Don't get overly exited about the building shapes. The quality of those
  shapes is quite variable. For free standing houses they are OK - in some
  cases even excellent, but for urban areas they are not very useful,
  certainly not as a source for import. I have been using those shapes for
  quite a while for comparison in cases where severe projection distortion
  and strong shadows gave me a hard time to figure out the shape of a
  particular building and in many cases the shapes in GRB were not better
  or even worse than my own guesstimation.
  They're OK for second opinions but I would never use a tool to import
  those shapes.
  Just my 2 cents.

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[Stijn Rombauts]

Even in het Nederlands als ik mag.
De gemeentes zijn verantwoordelijk voor 'hun' GRB. Ik vermoed dat alle 
gemeentes de opbouw van hun GRB uitbesteed hebben aan landmeters. Misschien dat 
updates (zie bv. 
https://www.agiv.be/news/2014/december/update-grootschalig-referentiebestand-20-12-2014)
 door de gemeentes zelf aan het GRB worden toegevoegd. Maar het is dus perfect 
mogelijk dat de kwaliteit in de ene gemeente minder is dan in een andere 
gemeente. Maar ze zouden eigenlijk toch allemaal moeten voldoen aan de eisen 
die door AGIV zijn opgelegd.
De gebouwen in het GRB zijn gebaseerd op topografische opmetingen op terrein en 
op luchtfoto's. Waar mogelijk zijn de voorgevels opgemeten: die zouden dus 
behoorlijk correct moeten zijn. De rest is gebaseerd op de luchtfoto's. Zo 
krijg je soms vreemde toestanden van recente gebouwen waarvan de voorgevel is 
opgemeten, maar het achterliggende stuk grotendeels ontbreekt omdat ze niet op 
de luchtfoto's staan/stonden. De huizen in Beekstraat 55-61 zijn waarschijnlijk 
zo'n geval.
Groetje,
StijnRR

  From: Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now 
conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM
   
I assume the quality depends on the GIS person adding the data. If he/she is 
less motivated/less capable/... the quality will be less.
The example that you give seems like the classic case where the building was 
not yet finished when it was traced. Then they always draw a small rectangle 
along the front side.
regards
m


On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote:

I think Pablo also helped in some pieces of the GRB: 
http://www.geopunt.be/kaart?viewer_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.geopunt.be%2Fresources%2Fapps%2FGeopunt-kaart_app%2Findex.html%3Fid%3Dff8080814a6e1332014abb6b94c80023

Is it normal that quality differs from municipality to municipality? In Staden, 
I haven't seen any problem with GRB. But in Roeselare, I often bump into 
problems like these. Buildings with a completely clear form (however, they're 
often quite new, so perhaps drawn without aerial pics), but drawn completely 
wrong in GRB.

Up until now, I've avoided the old centre of the town, because the building 
layouts are way too complicated there. It might get easier when we have access 
to the GRB.

So yes, an automated import won't work, but being able to use it opens up a lot 
of perspectives, so thanks to anyone involved.

Regards,
Sander

2015-01-05 15:35 GMT+01:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com:

In comparison to Bing even Picasso wins ;-)
On 5 January 2015 at 15:30, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

In my experience, the outlines and building shapes I've seen in GRB are
like 10 times better than all the work that exists using bing and other
sources.

A one on one copy would be silly, but if you bring it all together,
agiv/grb and osm data, it helps to make sense of what you are looking
at. Also it is conclusive usually when new buildings replace older.
It's the best source, I don't really care if the house isn't exactly as-is.

The housenumber inports will take years, but it's fine as it is as tons
of intelligent choices and conclusions, mistakes and other uglynes needs
to be fixed too. And it all helps, if you overlay them with some
transparacy adding GRB would be an awesome tool.

I've been doing housenumer entries for weeks now, grb layer would
defenitely be of good help.  But never a dumb copy.

Glenn

On 05-01-15 15:05, Gilbert Hersschens wrote:
 Guys,

 Don't get overly exited about the building shapes. The quality of those
 shapes is quite variable. For free standing houses they are OK - in some
 cases even excellent, but for urban areas they are not very useful,
 certainly not as a source for import. I have been using those shapes for
 quite a while for comparison in cases where severe projection distortion
 and strong shadows gave me a hard time to figure out the shape of a
 particular building and in many cases the shapes in GRB were not better
 or even worse than my own guesstimation.
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[Sander Deryckere]

I think Pablo also helped in some pieces of the GRB:
http://www.geopunt.be/kaart?viewer_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.geopunt.be%2Fresources%2Fapps%2FGeopunt-kaart_app%2Findex.html%3Fid%3Dff8080814a6e1332014abb6b94c80023

Is it normal that quality differs from municipality to municipality? In
Staden, I haven't seen any problem with GRB. But in Roeselare, I often bump
into problems like these. Buildings with a completely clear form (however,
they're often quite new, so perhaps drawn without aerial pics), but drawn
completely wrong in GRB.

Up until now, I've avoided the old centre of the town, because the building
layouts are way too complicated there. It might get easier when we have
access to the GRB.

So yes, an automated import won't work, but being able to use it opens up a
lot of perspectives, so thanks to anyone involved.

Regards,
Sander

2015-01-05 15:35 GMT+01:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com:

 In comparison to Bing even Picasso wins ;-)

 On 5 January 2015 at 15:30, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 In my experience, the outlines and building shapes I've seen in GRB are
 like 10 times better than all the work that exists using bing and other
 sources.

 A one on one copy would be silly, but if you bring it all together,
 agiv/grb and osm data, it helps to make sense of what you are looking
 at. Also it is conclusive usually when new buildings replace older.
 It's the best source, I don't really care if the house isn't exactly
 as-is.

 The housenumber inports will take years, but it's fine as it is as tons
 of intelligent choices and conclusions, mistakes and other uglynes needs
 to be fixed too. And it all helps, if you overlay them with some
 transparacy adding GRB would be an awesome tool.

 I've been doing housenumer entries for weeks now, grb layer would
 defenitely be of good help.  But never a dumb copy.

 Glenn

 On 05-01-15 15:05, Gilbert Hersschens wrote:
  Guys,
 
  Don't get overly exited about the building shapes. The quality of those
  shapes is quite variable. For free standing houses they are OK - in some
  cases even excellent, but for urban areas they are not very useful,
  certainly not as a source for import. I have been using those shapes for
  quite a while for comparison in cases where severe projection distortion
  and strong shadows gave me a hard time to figure out the shape of a
  particular building and in many cases the shapes in GRB were not better
  or even worse than my own guesstimation.
  They're OK for second opinions but I would never use a tool to import
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[Marc Gemis]

I assume the quality depends on the GIS person adding the data. If he/she
is less motivated/less capable/... the quality will be less.

The example that you give seems like the classic case where the building
was not yet finished when it was traced. Then they always draw a small
rectangle along the front side.

regards

m

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I think Pablo also helped in some pieces of the GRB:
 http://www.geopunt.be/kaart?viewer_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.geopunt.be%2Fresources%2Fapps%2FGeopunt-kaart_app%2Findex.html%3Fid%3Dff8080814a6e1332014abb6b94c80023

 Is it normal that quality differs from municipality to municipality? In
 Staden, I haven't seen any problem with GRB. But in Roeselare, I often bump
 into problems like these. Buildings with a completely clear form (however,
 they're often quite new, so perhaps drawn without aerial pics), but drawn
 completely wrong in GRB.

 Up until now, I've avoided the old centre of the town, because the
 building layouts are way too complicated there. It might get easier when we
 have access to the GRB.

 So yes, an automated import won't work, but being able to use it opens up
 a lot of perspectives, so thanks to anyone involved.

 Regards,
 Sander

 2015-01-05 15:35 GMT+01:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com:

 In comparison to Bing even Picasso wins ;-)

 On 5 January 2015 at 15:30, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 In my experience, the outlines and building shapes I've seen in GRB are
 like 10 times better than all the work that exists using bing and other
 sources.

 A one on one copy would be silly, but if you bring it all together,
 agiv/grb and osm data, it helps to make sense of what you are looking
 at. Also it is conclusive usually when new buildings replace older.
 It's the best source, I don't really care if the house isn't exactly
 as-is.

 The housenumber inports will take years, but it's fine as it is as tons
 of intelligent choices and conclusions, mistakes and other uglynes needs
 to be fixed too. And it all helps, if you overlay them with some
 transparacy adding GRB would be an awesome tool.

 I've been doing housenumer entries for weeks now, grb layer would
 defenitely be of good help.  But never a dumb copy.

 Glenn

 On 05-01-15 15:05, Gilbert Hersschens wrote:
  Guys,
 
  Don't get overly exited about the building shapes. The quality of those
  shapes is quite variable. For free standing houses they are OK - in
 some
  cases even excellent, but for urban areas they are not very useful,
  certainly not as a source for import. I have been using those shapes
 for
  quite a while for comparison in cases where severe projection
 distortion
  and strong shadows gave me a hard time to figure out the shape of a
  particular building and in many cases the shapes in GRB were not better
  or even worse than my own guesstimation.
  They're OK for second opinions but I would never use a tool to import
  those shapes.
  Just my 2 cents.

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[Sander Deryckere]

I just read a blog post about Mapbox updating aerial imagery in German
cities from governmental sources, and I mailed them to ask if they'd want
to use Agiv for Flanders too

https://www.mapbox.com/blog/berlin-imagery-update/

If they want to do it, newbies using iD could just use the Agiv imagery in
their editor (it's even in the default menu, so some little comparison
effort would show them that it's better).

If someone knows how to best contact Bing, it might be worth to ask Bing
the same. Since the Agiv images are released under the Open Data license,
it's perfectly possible to use them directly in a commercial app.

Regards,
Sander

2015-01-01 16:19 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be:

 The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
 Bing, and we all know where that leads to...

 We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
 frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
 all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
 properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.

 There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,
 give them the option.

 Glenn



 On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:
  It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
  know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not
  supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines
  are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I
 provided.
 
  I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for
  WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd
  have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use
  older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier
  to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.
 
  Jo
 
  2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
  mailto:sander...@gmail.com:
 
  Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default
  layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without
  reading about the limitations.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2015-01-01 16:19, Glenn Plas wrote :


  The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
Bing, and we all know where that leads to...

We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.

If I understand well, GRB is the digitalized map and it is not
allowed.
Belgium is a strange country.
In the north, they're able but not allowed to use it.
In the south, they are allowed to use it but unable to (no WMS
4326).
We should focus on adding to SPW Arcgis the few configuration lines
I've shown. 
That's all there is to it unless the Arcgis doc is deceiving.

Cheers



  

  André.

  



  There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,
give them the option.

Glenn



On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:

  
It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not
supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines
are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.

I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for
WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd
have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use
older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier
to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.

Jo

2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
mailto:sander...@gmail.com:

Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default
layer set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without
reading about the limitations.


  


  


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[Glenn Plas]

The danger in not adding GRB layer is that people will 'correct' using
Bing, and we all know where that leads to...

We should focus on efforts in getting GRB to open up.  I'm terribly
frustrated by people deleting buildings using Bing while I have added
all new buildings using Agiv, doublechecked using GRB and addressed
properly only to find out that the get deleted by some oblivious user.

There is no such thing as security by obscurity.  At the very least,
give them the option.

Glenn



On 28-12-14 22:59, Jo wrote:
 It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
 know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not
 supposed to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines
 are off limits as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.
 
 I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for
 WMS? Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd
 have to setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use
 older imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier
 to try and peel people away from the 'dark side'.
 
 Jo
 
 2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
 mailto:sander...@gmail.com:
 
 Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default
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[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2014-12-28 22:55, Jo wrote :
  
2014-12-28 21:39 GMT+01:00 André Pirard
  a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:
  

  On 2014-12-28 18:30, Jo wrote :
  
  

  

  
This is long overdue, but I finally got
  round to it. I added a page
  
  https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium
  
  with WMS sources for Belgium, for which we
  have permission to use.
  
  So now there are 3 more entries on this page:
  
  https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps
  

The resolutions are all better than Bing. They
are also more recent.

  
  Is there somebody who knows a convenient way to
  add those coordinates, so a shape is shown?
  
  AGIV also has coverage for Brussels, The Walloon
  imagery also covers the German speaking part of
  Belgium.

  

   Well done, Jo.  The only thing to do is now:
  JOSMImageryImagery Preferences[]Available...select
  BE...Activate
  
  
  
  
  Indeed, you have to refresh your list of Imagery in JOSM
to see that these are available now.
  
  


  
I don't know much about projections, but
  EPSG:4326 seems to work just fine for all three.

  

   Projections are simple: a mathematical
  transformation of the Earth surface to draw it on a plane
  (screen).
  EPSG:4326 uses the GPS coordinates (degrees) linearly (d °
  NS/EW = c cm  vertically/horizontally).
  Cylindrical is the projection as if by light beams
  perpendicular to the Earth axis.
  Mercator is the same but with a vertical correction so
  that the polar regions are not flattened.
  These 3 are quickly transformed one to another with little
  CPU.
  Hence, JOSM, which normally uses Mercator on screen, can
  convert any to its screen projection.
  
  The (Belgian) cartographers use Lambert projections which
  is similar to cylindrical, but on a cone that is tangent
  to a line going across their country (Belgium).  This is
  so that the proportions of the distances are the same
  vertically and horizontally. The Belgian servers serve
  them too.  In addition to EPSG:4326.  Except SPW (
  ;-) ).
  
  

  

Thank you. I still don't fully understand, I
  merely grasp the concept somewhat... I don't believe I'll ever
  call them 'simple' though.

Maybe the SPW too?  ;-) 
One needs pictures.  This, maybe   (jgetoppositelng();  Dutch
available (opposite???!!!))
http://www.ngi.be/FR/FR2-1-4.shtm
http://www.ngi.be/FR/FR2-1-7.shtm
http://www.ngi.be/FR/FR2-1-6.shtm
Wikipedia

  

  



  
  

  Feel free to improve/extend that wiki page,
if you can.
  

  
 I would add Wallonia 2009.  It is sometimes
useful (e.g. to get rid of trees).
Is it just a matter of editing the file?  Have to
refresh the server?
  



You edit the wiki page, the rest is done behind the
  scenes. I guess everybody has to refresh their list of
  imagery to see that somebody changed the page.

  

  


I did, but I don't understand why someone renamed the 2012 map to
2009 at the same time !!!

I created:
SPW(allon) 2012 aerial imagery
SPW(allon) 2009 aerial imagery
(so that the essential appears in the short space in the JOSM
list).

I corrected the bounds (values changed and minlat/maxlat were
inverted)
I set the format to jpeg instead of bmp (less cache memory for a
trifle more CPU).

Please check if it's OK with you before I 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[André Pirard]

On 2014-12-29 17:33, André Pirard wrote :
 I created:
 *SPW(allon) 2012 aerial imagery**
 **SPW(allon) 2009 aerial imagery***
I forgot to add that these photographs may have a perspective effect.
For example, a wall of a house may be visible so that the roof is offset.
In one place I checked thoroughly, 2012 2-floor (1) houses are slanted
1.5 m in one direction and 2009 is slanted the same in the opposite
direction.  That means that the exact position of the house is the
bottom of the wall at ground level and that the roofs are offset by that
value. Of course, the wall and offset are visible only at the end of a
row and the offset must be evaluated all along.
All in all, precise tagging is tricky.
Digitalized maps are corrected, so that a gentle way to use them is to
evaluate the offset of the photo and to continue mapping with that photo.

Cheers

André.


(1) Belgian, not American floors
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS Wallonie

[André Pirard]

On 2014-12-28 13:02, Frank Vdm wrote :
 Voir carte en JOSM?

 http://geoportail.wallonie.be/geocatalogue?search-theme=theme_50#
See my very detailed messages on this mailing list before.
In short I explained that, generally, the new SPW servers do not serve
the data in WMS and that what is served in WMS it is not served in
EPSG:4326, except for the ortho photos (in fact, the capabilities
announce 4326 support but the server returns blank data and JOSM
configuration may fail (lots of WMS validation errors)).
EPSG:4326 is considered a WMS requirement. All servers in the world use
it except SPW.
It's required in practice by JOSM.
I reported this bug to SPW 5 or 6 years ago without an answer.
I reported all that for the official OSM communication channel with SPW.
The reply was that 4326 is supported, which is not true, nothing about WMS,
and that my remarks are not interesting.
 tab:

 Geoservices

 en bas

 WMS

 Quelle liens faut-t-il mettre pour intégré

 image aérienne
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/IMAGERIE/ORTHO_2012_2013/MapServer/WMSServer
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/IMAGERIE/ORTHO_2009_2010/MapServer/WMSServer

Only that works.
 carte cadastre

 Je regarde déjà:
 http://geoportail.wallonie.be/walonmap/#BBOX=18933.15375500353,376121.36813143233,17902.574449786647,197488.87112238


 Je ne sais pas comment faire un recherche dans archief  talk complet.



 -- 
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
  
 Frank (Jakka)

 Bonne Fêtes

Happy New Year's mapping,
Cheers

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[OSM-talk-be] WMS (aerial) imagery covering Belgium, now conveniently packaged for adding it to JOSM

[Jo]

This is long overdue, but I finally got round to it. I added a page

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium

with WMS sources for Belgium, for which we have permission to use.

So now there are 3 more entries on this page:

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps

The resolutions are all better than Bing. They are also more recent.

Is there somebody who knows a convenient way to add those coordinates, so a
shape is shown?

AGIV also has coverage for Brussels, The Walloon imagery also covers the
German speaking part of Belgium.

I don't know much about projections, but EPSG:4326 seems to work just fine
for all three.

Feel free to improve/extend that wiki page, if you can.

Cheers,

Jo
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[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2014-12-28 18:30, Jo wrote :


  

  
This is long overdue, but I finally got round to it. I
  added a page
  
  https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium
  
  with WMS sources for Belgium, for which we have permission
  to use.
  
  So now there are 3 more entries on this page:
  
  https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps
  

The resolutions are all better than Bing. They are also more
recent.

  
  Is there somebody who knows a convenient way to add those
  coordinates, so a shape is shown?
  
  AGIV also has coverage for Brussels, The Walloon imagery also
  covers the German speaking part of Belgium.

  

Well done, Jo.  The only thing to do is now:
JOSMImageryImagery Preferences[]Available...select
BE...Activate

  
I don't know much about projections, but EPSG:4326 seems to
  work just fine for all three.

  

Projections are simple: a mathematical transformation of the Earth
surface to draw it on a plane (screen).
EPSG:4326 uses the GPS coordinates (degrees) linearly (d ° NS/EW = c
cm  vertically/horizontally).
Cylindrical is the projection as if by light beams perpendicular to
the Earth axis.
Mercator is the same but with a vertical correction so that the
polar regions are not flattened.
These 3 are quickly transformed one to another with little CPU.
Hence, JOSM, which normally uses Mercator on screen, can convert any
to its screen projection.

The (Belgian) cartographers use Lambert projections which is similar
to cylindrical, but on a cone that is tangent to a line going across
their country (Belgium).  This is so that the proportions of the
distances are the same vertically and horizontally. The Belgian
servers serve them too.  In addition to EPSG:4326.  Except SPW ( ;-) ).

  
Feel free to improve/extend that wiki page, if you can.

  

I would add Wallonia 2009.  It is sometimes useful (e.g. to get rid
of trees).
Is it just a matter of editing the file?  Have to refresh the
server?
Can id=SPW be the same or what should be used?

What is that (3.xx) after the name JOSM displays? Any way to get
rid of it?

Cheers



  

  André.

  



  


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[Sander Deryckere]

Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default layer
set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without reading about the
limitations.

But anyway, thanks for working on it.

Otoh, supporting iD is also important. We can't say Don't trace from Bing
if people can't use Agiv in iD. For that, we would need a TMS. So that
either means setting up a map proxy to convert WMS from Agiv to TMS, or
finding some TMS layer available (there are TMS layers for older imagery
from Agiv, but I've found none for the most recent imagery). Then, it needs
to be added to this repo: https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index

But I'm not experienced enough with imagery to accomplish this.

Jo, are you, or is there anyone else wanting to look at this? I think it
would save us a lot of problems.

Regards,
Sander

2014-12-28 21:39 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:

  On 2014-12-28 18:30, Jo wrote :

   This is long overdue, but I finally got round to it. I added a page

 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium

 with WMS sources for Belgium, for which we have permission to use.

 So now there are 3 more entries on this page:

 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps

  The resolutions are all better than Bing. They are also more recent.

  Is there somebody who knows a convenient way to add those coordinates, so
 a shape is shown?

 AGIV also has coverage for Brussels, The Walloon imagery also covers the
 German speaking part of Belgium.

 Well done, Jo.  The only thing to do is now:
 JOSMImageryImagery Preferences[]Available...select BE...Activate

  I don't know much about projections, but EPSG:4326 seems to work just
 fine for all three.

 Projections are simple: a mathematical transformation of the Earth surface
 to draw it on a plane (screen).
 EPSG:4326 uses the GPS coordinates (degrees) linearly (d ° NS/EW = c cm
 vertically/horizontally).
 Cylindrical is the projection as if by light beams perpendicular to the
 Earth axis.
 Mercator is the same but with a vertical correction so that the polar
 regions are not flattened.
 These 3 are quickly transformed one to another with little CPU.
 Hence, JOSM, which normally uses Mercator on screen, can convert any to
 its screen projection.

 The (Belgian) cartographers use Lambert projections which is similar to
 cylindrical, but on a cone that is tangent to a line going across their
 country (Belgium).  This is so that the proportions of the distances are
 the same vertically and horizontally. The Belgian servers serve them too.
 In addition to EPSG:4326.  Except SPW ( ;-) ).

  Feel free to improve/extend that wiki page, if you can.

 I would add Wallonia 2009.  It is sometimes useful (e.g. to get rid of
 trees).
 Is it just a matter of editing the file?  Have to refresh the server?
 Can id=SPW be the same or what should be used?

 What is that (3.xx) after the name JOSM displays? Any way to get rid
 of it?

 Cheers

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[Jo]

It's possible to have people sign an EULA. Would that help? I'd need to
know what the restrictions are though. I thought we were just not supposed
to copy their building outlines. I guess the parcel outlines are off limits
as well, but I don't see those with the paramters I provided.

I'd love to support iD as well, but why can't they program support for WMS?
Why can't  they be as flexible as possible? It's absurd that we'd have to
setup a server to convert from WMS to TMS or have iD users use older
imagery than the enlightened users of JOSM. It almost seems easier to try
and peel people away from the 'dark side'.

Jo

2014-12-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:

 Jo, I'm not sure that the GRB layer should be part of the default layer
 set. It becomes too dangerous people will use it without reading about the
 limitations.

 But anyway, thanks for working on it.

 Otoh, supporting iD is also important. We can't say Don't trace from
 Bing if people can't use Agiv in iD. For that, we would need a TMS. So
 that either means setting up a map proxy to convert WMS from Agiv to TMS,
 or finding some TMS layer available (there are TMS layers for older imagery
 from Agiv, but I've found none for the most recent imagery). Then, it needs
 to be added to this repo: https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index

 But I'm not experienced enough with imagery to accomplish this.

 Jo, are you, or is there anyone else wanting to look at this? I think it
 would save us a lot of problems.

 Regards,
 Sander

 2014-12-28 21:39 GMT+01:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:

  On 2014-12-28 18:30, Jo wrote :

   This is long overdue, but I finally got round to it. I added a page

 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Belgium

 with WMS sources for Belgium, for which we have permission to use.

 So now there are 3 more entries on this page:

 https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps

  The resolutions are all better than Bing. They are also more recent.

  Is there somebody who knows a convenient way to add those coordinates,
 so a shape is shown?

 AGIV also has coverage for Brussels, The Walloon imagery also covers the
 German speaking part of Belgium.

 Well done, Jo.  The only thing to do is now:
 JOSMImageryImagery Preferences[]Available...select BE...Activate

  I don't know much about projections, but EPSG:4326 seems to work just
 fine for all three.

 Projections are simple: a mathematical transformation of the Earth
 surface to draw it on a plane (screen).
 EPSG:4326 uses the GPS coordinates (degrees) linearly (d ° NS/EW = c cm
 vertically/horizontally).
 Cylindrical is the projection as if by light beams perpendicular to the
 Earth axis.
 Mercator is the same but with a vertical correction so that the polar
 regions are not flattened.
 These 3 are quickly transformed one to another with little CPU.
 Hence, JOSM, which normally uses Mercator on screen, can convert any to
 its screen projection.

 The (Belgian) cartographers use Lambert projections which is similar to
 cylindrical, but on a cone that is tangent to a line going across their
 country (Belgium).  This is so that the proportions of the distances are
 the same vertically and horizontally. The Belgian servers serve them too.
 In addition to EPSG:4326.  Except SPW ( ;-) ).

  Feel free to improve/extend that wiki page, if you can.

 I would add Wallonia 2009.  It is sometimes useful (e.g. to get rid of
 trees).
 Is it just a matter of editing the file?  Have to refresh the server?
 Can id=SPW be the same or what should be used?

 What is that (3.xx) after the name JOSM displays? Any way to get rid
 of it?

 Cheers

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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS TMS vrstvy do JOSM

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-- Původní zpráva --
Od: hanoj eha...@gmail.com
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 16. 9. 2014 9:26:19
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] WMS TMS vrstvy do JOSM

pridáno na wiki:
+RUIAN budovy, RUIAN parcely, pLPIS
- uhul:ortofoto




Ahoj,

na josm-dev se objevila informace, že na wiki jsou nyní dostupné náhledy 
zadaných vrstev [1]. Když kliknu na {view} u CUZK:KM [2], tak vidím zeleně 
data z CUZK a červenou čáru (shape).  Jednak je vidět, že červená čára není 
uzavřena a taky když si to přiblížím, vidím, že někde zelená přesahuje mimo 
shape.





Je to OK, nebo to bude třeba opravit? Na co má shape vliv?





[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2014-October/007092.
html

[2] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/mapsview?entry=Czech%20CUZK%3AKM





Marián




ha
hanoj

Dne 15. září 2014 21:30 Petr Schönmann pschonm...@gmail.com napsal(a):
 Ahoj, chtěl bych se optat zda by někdo nepřidal do výchozích podkladů
 JOSM České WMS / TMS

 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Czech%20Republic

 Udělal bych to sám, ale nejsem si vůbec jistý zda by tam seděli
 projekce, nevyznám se v tom :)
 Navrhoval bych dodat tam RUIAN, Pozemky RUIAN, pLPIS + co volného vás 
napadne.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

Indeed, having a little baby at home take time...

I received an email last week from the SPW saying that there are a new 
conditions d'utilisation du service which allow us to copy data from
the Orthophoto and - maybe - other datas.


  je vous informe de la situation concernant 
 l'autorisation d'utilisation des orthophotos via nos services : nous 
 avons rédigé une _licence services qui est « générale »_.  Elle 
 s'applique aux différents cas de figure possibles et pas seulement à 
 l'utilisation des orthophotos.
(...)
 Puisque la « licence services » a été adoptée, celle-ci s'applique 
 donc.  
(...)
 Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit 
 de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de 
 réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
 Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !
Reading the licence, it is not said you may copy data to OSM, but they
say :

 Article 3. Principe
 §1 er . Sous réserve du paragraphe 2, le SPW permet l’accès et
 l’utilisation gratuits des services par
 tout utilisateur.
 §2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation dont
 les modalités sont décrites dans
 les métadonnées associées.
*
**We may use the services.* In Wallonia, some things happens in a quite
formal/informal way. Some people are not convinced by an official ODbL
licence, or CC-BY, but a lot of people are fighting for that inside the
SPW, and that's what we could reach, until now.

Julien


Le 24/09/14 06:57, Jo a écrit :
 Hi Gilbert,

 It would be good if that could be cleared up. I don't know who to ask
 though. It seems like Julien has other stuff to worry about at the moment.

 Jo

 2014-09-21 15:24 GMT+02:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com
 mailto:gherssch...@gmail.com:

 I lost track of the conversation about using the aerial imagery
 for Wallonia from arcgis. Are we allowed to use them or not ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

[Jo]

The way I read that, we do have permission, just like everybody else, to
use their ortho pictures to 'digitalise' them and add the information to
Openstreetmap.

So that's great news.

Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit
de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de
réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !

§2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation
  dont les modalités sont décrites dans

  les métadonnées associées.

This paragraph says that there is also other data for which a login is
required, which have other restrictions.




So what do we use as the source string on the changesets? Can we add it to
this page on the wiki?

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Belgium

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

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Le 24/09/14 11:12, Jo a écrit :
 The way I read that, we do have permission, just like everybody else,
 to use their ortho pictures to 'digitalise' them and add the
 information to Openstreetmap.

 So that's great news.

 Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit 
 de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de 
 réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
 Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !

 §2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation
   dont les modalités sont décrites dans

   les métadonnées associées.

 This paragraph says that there is also other data for which a login is 
 required, which have other restrictions.



 So what do we use as the source string on the changesets?
We might use orthophoto, but potentially other datasources available as
WMS.

SPW:Ortho ?

 Can we add it to this page on the wiki?
I think we can !

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Belgium

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

[Gilbert Hersschens]

Thanks, guys.
I'm refreshing my wiki page (currently
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Gilbert54/JOSM) on the subject to
include Brussels and Wallonia. It's a bit more detailed than
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Using_AGIV_Crab_data/AGIV_Website_as_Reference
.

When I'm done with the refresh I'll post an invitation to review it.

By the way, according to that info we can only use the imagery and address
info. AGIV has tons of other information which is accessible through WMS.
Is anyone maintaining contact with AGIV to inquire if any of that (
http://www.geopunt.be/catalogus/search?facet=webservice) can also be used
in OSM ?

Gilbert

On 24 September 2014 11:39, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info wrote:


 Le 24/09/14 11:12, Jo a écrit :

  The way I read that, we do have permission, just like everybody else, to
 use their ortho pictures to 'digitalise' them and add the information to
 Openstreetmap.

  So that's great news.

 Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit
 de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de
 réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
 Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !


 §2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation
   dont les modalités sont décrites dans

   les métadonnées associées.


 This paragraph says that there is also other data for which a login is 
 required, which have other restrictions.




  So what do we use as the source string on the changesets?

 We might use orthophoto, but potentially other datasources available as
 WMS.

 SPW:Ortho ?

  Can we add it to this page on the wiki?

 I think we can !


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Belgium

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

[André Pirard]

Hi,

First of all, deepest congratulations to Julien on his new baby.
Family life is what matters most.

Le 24/09/14 06:57, Jo a écrit :
 2014-09-21 15:24 GMT+02:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com
 mailto:gherssch...@gmail.com:
 I lost track of the conversation about using the aerial imagery for
 Wallonia from arcgis. Are we allowed to use them or not ?

 Regards, Gilbert
 Hi Gilbert,

 It would be good if that could be cleared up. I don't know who to ask
 though. It seems like Julien has other stuff to worry about at the moment.

 Jo

10 mo answer:

On 2014-05-08 16:58, Julien Fastré wrote :
 Hi,

 good news from the walloon front : the strategic plan for geomatica
 was approved, and, following those who may read it, our request sent
 with OKFN were heard !

 The minister Henry asked to the SPW (his administration) to set up all
 data from SPW as Open Data; they received a green light to do that.
 Politically, it seems to me something really new.

On 2014-09-24 10:55, Julien Fastré wrote :
 Hi,

 Indeed, having a little baby at home take time...

 I received an email last week from the SPW saying that there are a
 new  conditions d'utilisation du service which allow us to copy data
 from the Orthophoto and - maybe - other datas.


  je vous informe de la situation concernant 
 l'autorisation d'utilisation des orthophotos via nos services : nous 
 avons rédigé une _licence services qui est « générale »_.  Elle 
 s'applique aux différents cas de figure possibles et pas seulement à 
 l'utilisation des orthophotos.
 (...)
 Puisque la « licence services » a été adoptée, celle-ci s'applique 
 donc.  
 (...)
 Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit 
 de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de 
 réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
 Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !
 Reading the licence, it is not said you may copy data to OSM, but
 they say :

 Article 3. Principe
 §1 er . Sous réserve du paragraphe 2, le SPW permet l’accès et
 l’utilisation gratuits des services par
 tout utilisateur.
 §2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation
 dont les modalités sont décrites dans
 les métadonnées associées.
 *
 **We may use the services.* In Wallonia, some things happens in a
 quite formal/informal way. Some people are not convinced by an
 official ODbL licence, or CC-BY, but a lot of people are fighting for
 that inside the SPW, and that's what we could reach, until now.

 Julien
On my side, I wrote long explanations that SPW does *not* provide WMS
for most data (1) and that when it does it does, it does not, despite
claims, provide EPSG:4326 which is practically considered a WMS
requirement and is necessary for JOSM; Julien answered that these are
not interesting remarks.
So, the answer to WMS for Wallonia is no but if you restrict the
question to aerial imagery it is the only case for which EPSG:4326 WMS
exists (if the bug is corrected (one half of Wallonia blank)).

Cheers,

André.


(1)
Minister Henry's all data
SPW's Elle s'applique aux différents cas de figure possibles et pas
seulement à l'utilisation des orthophotos.

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Hi Gilbert,

It would be good if that could be cleared up. I don't know who to ask
though. It seems like Julien has other stuff to worry about at the moment.

Jo

2014-09-21 15:24 GMT+02:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com:

 I lost track of the conversation about using the aerial imagery for
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Wallonia from arcgis. Are we allowed to use them or not ?

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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS TMS vrstvy do JOSM

[hanoj]

pridáno na wiki:
+RUIAN budovy, RUIAN parcely, pLPIS
- uhul:ortofoto

ha
hanoj

Dne 15. září 2014 21:30 Petr Schönmann pschonm...@gmail.com napsal(a):
 Ahoj, chtěl bych se optat zda by někdo nepřidal do výchozích podkladů
 JOSM České WMS / TMS

 http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Czech%20Republic

 Udělal bych to sám, ale nejsem si vůbec jistý zda by tam seděli
 projekce, nevyznám se v tom :)
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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS TMS vrstvy do JOSM

[Marek Chlup]

Dobrý den.

Kdyby někdo věděl jak tyto mapy (vrstvy) dostat do webového iD editoru
na kliknutí bylo by to super (alespoň ty RUIAN). iD editor umožňuje
definici jedné vlastní vrstvy, ale tu si nepamatuje a je to nepohodlné.

Například pokud si spustím editaci v Bratislavě (v iD editoru), tak je
tam široký výběr mapových vrstev na kliknutí (i když aktuálně mám pocit
jich hodně nefunguje).

Zdraví
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:25:21AM +0200, hanoj wrote:
 pridáno na wiki:
 +RUIAN budovy, RUIAN parcely, pLPIS
 - uhul:ortofoto
 
 ha
 hanoj
 
 Dne 15. září 2014 21:30 Petr Schönmann pschonm...@gmail.com napsal(a):
  Ahoj, chtěl bych se optat zda by někdo nepřidal do výchozích podkladů
  JOSM České WMS / TMS
 
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Czech%20Republic
 
  Udělal bych to sám, ale nejsem si vůbec jistý zda by tam seděli
  projekce, nevyznám se v tom :)
  Navrhoval bych dodat tam RUIAN, Pozemky RUIAN, pLPIS + co volného vás 
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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS TMS vrstvy do JOSM

[Marián Kyral]

Hledal jsem hledal až jsem něco našel: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/
issues/2261

Marián


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Dobrý den.

Kdyby někdo věděl jak tyto mapy (vrstvy) dostat do webového iD editoru
na kliknutí bylo by to super (alespoň ty RUIAN). iD editor umožňuje
definici jedné vlastní vrstvy, ale tu si nepamatuje a je to nepohodlné.

Například pokud si spustím editaci v Bratislavě (v iD editoru), tak je
tam široký výběr mapových vrstev na kliknutí (i když aktuálně mám pocit
jich hodně nefunguje).

Zdraví
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:25:21AM +0200, hanoj wrote:
 pridáno na wiki:
 +RUIAN budovy, RUIAN parcely, pLPIS
 - uhul:ortofoto
 
 ha
 hanoj
 
 Dne 15. září 2014 21:30 Petr Schönmann pschonm...@gmail.com napsal(a):
  Ahoj, chtěl bych se optat zda by někdo nepřidal do výchozích podkladů
  JOSM České WMS / TMS
 
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/Czech%20Republic
 
  Udělal bych to sám, ale nejsem si vůbec jistý zda by tam seděli
  projekce, nevyznám se v tom :)
  Navrhoval bych dodat tam RUIAN, Pozemky RUIAN, pLPIS + co volného vás 
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[Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM?

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,
existuje někde WMS vrstva s vrstevnicemi, kterou bych si mohl přidat do 
JOSM? Občas by se mi hodilo vidět satelitní snímky ve třetím rozměru.

Něco jsem našel na UHUL, ale ten sám o sobě funguje hodně pomalu, případně 
vůbec. A vůbec netuším, jak to mají přesné. Není někde něco lepšího?

Díky.
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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS vrstva vrstevnic do JOSM?

[Petr Vejsada]

Ahoj,

 Ahoj,
 existuje někde WMS vrstva s vrstevnicemi, kterou bych si mohl přidat do 
 JOSM? Občas by se mi hodilo vidět satelitní snímky ve třetím rozměru.
 
 Něco jsem našel na UHUL, ale ten sám o sobě funguje hodně pomalu, případně 
 vůbec. A vůbec netuším, jak to mají přesné. Není někde něco lepšího?

říkám si, co teď budu dělat. Jedna z myšlenek byla naučit se Mapserver a tohle
by asi bylo dobré cvičení, stejně jako všechna ta RUIAN data. Mapserver mám
už pár měsíců zkompilovaný, takže teď se na to jen podívat ;-). Vrstevnice
v DB mám ( FYI gis.cz_contours).

Hodil by se mi nějaký rychlokurz Mapserveru ;-)

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[Petr Vejsada]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 02:08:12PM +0200, Petr Vejsada wrote:

 Hodil by se mi nějaký rychlokurz Mapserveru ;-)

... nebo můžu udělat TMS téměř hned.

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Ahoj, v JOSM mám uložené tyto vrstevnice:

wms:http://geoweb.hft-stuttgart.de/cgi-bin/mapserv?map=/var/www/SRTM/test.
mapFORMAT=image/gifVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=
Contourlinien10STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}





Díky. Ještě by se hodilo mít tam nějaké popisky, ale to bych už asi chtěl 
moc ;-)




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Ahoj,
existuje někde WMS vrstva s vrstevnicemi, kterou bych si mohl přidat do 
JOSM? Občas by se mi hodilo vidět satelitní snímky ve třetím rozměru.

Něco jsem našel na UHUL, ale ten sám o sobě funguje hodně pomalu, případně 
vůbec. A vůbec netuším, jak to mají přesné. Není někde něco lepšího?

Díky.
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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS mapa geoportal.cuzk.cz

[Petr Holub]

Ahoj,

 Vidím tam dvakrát service=WMS a taky request. Když to vyhodím, tak se mi to v 
 prohlížeči zobrazí, ale
 JOSM se to pořád nelíbí:
 
 
 CHYBA: java.lang.Exception: Inconsistent metadata read from stream
 Image couldn't be fetched:
 http://geoportal.cuzk.cz/WMS_ORTOFOTO_PUB/WMService.aspx?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSR
 EQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=GR_ORTFOTORGBSTYLES=SRS=EPSG:4326WIDTH=500HEIGHT=500BBOX=18.3650700,49.65918
 55,18.3707243,49.6628456. Přičina: javax.imageio.IIOException: Inconsistent 
 metadata read from stream
 java.lang.Exception: Inconsistent metadata read from stream
 Image couldn't be fetched:
 http://geoportal.cuzk.cz/WMS_ORTOFOTO_PUB/WMService.aspx?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSR
 EQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=GR_ORTFOTORGBSTYLES=SRS=EPSG:4326WIDTH=500HEIGHT=500BBOX=18.3650700,49.65918
 55,18.3707243,49.6628456
 at 
 org.openstreetmap.josm.io.imagery.WMSGrabber.fetch(WMSGrabber.java:74)
 at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.imagery.Grabber.attempt(Grabber.java:66)
 at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.imagery.Grabber.run(Grabber.java:50)
 at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:744)
 
 Co s tím dál netuším, ale dle krátkého googlení to klidně může být i chyba v 
 moji verzi javy a jinde
 to může fungovat.

jednoduchy workaround, na ktery jsem prisel, je FORMAT=image/jpeg
vymenit za FORMAT=image/png. Vypada, ze ta Java ma problem s parsovanim
metadat toho JPEGu, ktery se zda byt jinak OK.

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[Talk-cz] WMS mapa geoportal.cuzk.cz

[RolfK]

Zdravím, 
rád bych se zeptal, jestli vím funguje WMS služba, běžící na adrese:

wms:http://geoportal.cuzk.cz/WMS_ORTOFOTO_PUB/WMService.aspx?service=WMSrequest=getCapabilitiesFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLAYERS=GR_ORTFOTORGBSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}

Mě do nedávné doby fungovala, ale asi před týdnem přestala. Skončila? Provádí 
se tam nějaké úpravy? Nevíte někdo?
Díky Rolf

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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS mapa geoportal.cuzk.cz

[Marián Kyral]

Ahoj,
v konzoli mi ta tvoje WMS konfigurace vypisuje:

ServiceException code=InvalidParameterValueValue WMS,WMS provided for a 
parameter service is invalid./ServiceException/ServiceExceptionReport

Vidím tam dvakrát service=WMS a taky request. Když to vyhodím, tak se mi to 
v prohlížeči zobrazí, ale JOSM se to pořád nelíbí:


CHYBA: java.lang.Exception: Inconsistent metadata read from stream
Image couldn't be fetched: http://geoportal.cuzk.cz/WMS_ORTOFOTO_PUB/
WMService.aspx?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMap
LAYERS=GR_ORTFOTORGBSTYLES=SRS=EPSG:4326WIDTH=500HEIGHT=500BBOX=
18.3650700,49.6591855,18.3707243,49.6628456. Přičina: javax.imageio.
IIOException: Inconsistent metadata read from stream
java.lang.Exception: Inconsistent metadata read from stream
Image couldn't be fetched: http://geoportal.cuzk.cz/WMS_ORTOFOTO_PUB/
WMService.aspx?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMap
LAYERS=GR_ORTFOTORGBSTYLES=SRS=EPSG:4326WIDTH=500HEIGHT=500BBOX=
18.3650700,49.6591855,18.3707243,49.6628456
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.imagery.WMSGrabber.fetch(WMSGrabber.
java:74)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.imagery.Grabber.attempt(Grabber.java:
66)
    at org.openstreetmap.josm.io.imagery.Grabber.run(Grabber.java:50)
    at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:744)

Co s tím dál netuším, ale dle krátkého googlení to klidně může být i chyba v
moji verzi javy a jinde to může fungovat.

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Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 6. 6. 2014 14:03:05
Předmět: [Talk-cz] WMS mapa geoportal.cuzk.cz

Zdravím, 
rád bych se zeptal, jestli vím funguje WMS služba, běžící na adrese:

wms:http://geoportal.cuzk.cz/WMS_ORTOFOTO_PUB/WMService.aspx?service=WMS;
request=getCapabilitiesFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=
GetMapLAYERS=GR_ORTFOTORGBSTYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}
BBOX={bbox}

Mě do nedávné doby fungovala, ale asi před týdnem přestala. Skončila? 
Provádí se tam nějaké úpravy? Nevíte někdo?
Díky Rolf

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Re: [Talk-cz] WMS mapa geoportal.cuzk.cz

[RolfK]

Jj, moje chyba, omylem jsem to tam měl dvakrát, nicméně v JOSM to mám správně.
Ale asi mám taky tu nekorektní verzi Javy. Nezbývá než doufat, že se to časem 
nějak srovná...

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[Talk-it] WMS in Potlatch

[Giovanni Caudullo]

Ciao a tutti,
la lombardia fornisce il servizio WMS della carta tecnica regionale

Dettagli
Formato di distribuzione:Web Map Service
Versione:WMS 1.3.0
Ente distributore:Regione Lombardia
Distribuzione:Direzione Generale Territorio e Urbanistica - Struttura
Strumenti per il governo del territorio
Descrizione distribuzione:URL WMS:
http://www.cartografia.regione.lombardia.it/ArcGIS93/services/wms/ctr_wms/MapServer/WMSServer
Versione: 1.1.1
Limitazioni di accesso:Dato pubblico
Limitazioni d'uso:Dato pubblico

Ho provato ad fare copia/incolla dell'indirizzo, su Potlatch nei
background, ho aggiunto un layer e ho incollatto l'indirizzo, ma non
viene visualizzato.

Dove sbaglio?
Oppure non è possibile.

Grazie mille
G

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[cesare gerbino]

Ciao a tutti,

innanzi tutto faccio una breve premessa di inquadramento e di chiarimento
che ritengo utile.

Nello scambio di mail che ho visto passare in questi giorni in merito ai
WMS in Piemonte ho visto che sono stati riferite cose diverse; portale open
data  del Piemonte (http://www.dati.piemonte.it), GeoPortale del Piemonte
http://(www.geoportale.piemonte.it), GeoPortale ARPA Piemonte (
http://webgis.arpa.piemonte.it/geoportale/), ecc ... (manca all'elenco e se
volete lo aggiungo io il GeoPortale del Comune di Torino (
http://www.comune.torino.it/geoportale/)  ).

Tutti questi, tranne quello di ARPA, sono realizzati e gestiti per conto
della P.A Piemontese (su loro indicazione e responsabilità sui contenuti
..), dal CSI Piemonte: ARPA gestisce invece il tutto in completa
autonomia.

Fine della premessa . :-)

Oggi mi è arrivata una mail da parte di ARPA Piemonte in cui mi si dice
(cito)  Se l'oggetto è l'utilizzabilità dei servizi come base
conoscitiva per derivare dati in OSM  e se vi è una licenza ad essi
associata da rispettare e citare  la risposta è si..

Ai servizi WMS ARPA sta associando una licenza CC-BY: predendo ad esempio
il WMS delle sorgenti di campo elettromagnetico, nella sua scheda metadato
(rif. 
(http://webgis.arpa.piemonte.it/geoportalserver_arpa/catalog/search/resource/details.page?uuid=ARLPA_TO_16.03.01-D_2011-02-22-11%3A02),
è riportata nella sezione vincoli d'uso dei dati la presenza di una
licenza, disponibile come documento (
http://webgis.arpa.piemonte.it/w-metadoc/_Licenze/Licenza_map_service.pdf)

Qualora ci fosse qualche incompatibilità di licenza rispetto all'uso di
questi WMS come fonte dati per OSM credo che se ne possa parlare
direttamente con i colleghi di ARPA che si sono dichiarati comunque
disponibili a collaborare, dare un contributo e a parlarne ed approfondire.
Credo li possiate contattare direttamente al seguente indirizzo di posta
elettronica: web...@arpa.piemonte.it.

Spero che nei prossimi giorni mi arrivi analoga disponibilità da parte di
Regione Piemonte (per i suoi WMS), che ho già provveduto a far contattare a
riguardo.

A presto

Cesare


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Il giorno 14 gennaio 2014 15:23, Tiziano Gedda dufou...@libero.it ha
scritto:

 I contatti presenti sul sito dove ho trovato i WMS sono:
 info-geoport...@regione.piemonte.it

 visto che di WMS si parla, anche 
 questihttp://webgis.arpa.piemonte.it/geoportale/index.php/servizi-geoportale/servizi-wms-wfs
  possono
 essere interessanti, a pag. 22 c’è ne uno con tutte le antenne per la
 telefonia e la TV
 in questo caso i contatti sono:
 protoco...@pec.arpa.piemonte.it
 http://webgis.arpa.piemonte.it/geoportale/index.php/commenti (questa
 volta il captcha funziona)

 Tiziano


 On 14 Jan 2014, at 13:47, Tiziano Gedda dufou...@libero.it wrote:

 dovrebbe funzionare ugualmente anche senza captcha..perché dopo aver aver
 fatto un invio di prova dice “grazie per averci contatto” ;)

 Tiziano



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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[solitone]

Tiziano Gedda ha scritto:

 ho trovato questi WMS [1] forniti dalla Regione Piemonte con licenza
 CC-BY 2.5 che potrebbero essere molto utili.

 Posso utilizzarli come base per un ricalco?


Ho visto che la pagina dei Contributors di OSM [2] cita la carta tecnica
di Torino. Anche i dati forniti dal geoportale del Comune di Torino
hanno licenza CC-BY 2.5 [3]. Quindi, mi verrebbe da pensare che sia
possibile usare anche i dati del geoportale della Regione Piemonte,
visto che hanno la stessa licenza.

Inoltre, sulla pagina Ordnance Survey Opendata [4] (relativa a UK) si
legge che, oltre all'attribuzione generica presente sulla pagina dei
Contributors, è caldamente suggerita anche l'attribuzione per mezzo di
source=*.

Credo quindi che, per rispettare l'obbligo di attribuzione, possiamo:

1) Aggiornare la pagina dei Contributors, aggiungendo un riferimento ai
dati forniti dal geoportale della Regione Piemonte.
2) Specificare la fonte anche nel campo source=*, quando i dati del
geoportale del Piemonte rappresentano la fonte principale di
informazioni per l'oggetto che viene aggiunto in OSM.

Aspettiamo comunque che Cesare Gerbino ci riporti il feedback che gli
daranno i contatti che ha in Regione.

[1]
http://www.geoportale.piemonte.it/cms/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=55Itemid=73lang=it
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Torino
[3] http://www.comune.torino.it/geoportale/ser_professionali_2.htm#tabs-4
[4]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#Attributing_OS




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[Talk-it] WMS Liguria

[solitone]

Tiziano Gedda ha scritto:

 Ciao a tutti..

 ho trovato questi WMS [1] forniti dalla Regione Piemonte con licenza
 CC-BY 2.5 che potrebbero essere molto utili.

 Posso utilizzarli come base per un ricalco?


 Tiziano


Mi aggancio alla domanda di Tiziano per segnalare che ho trovato molti
dati interessanti anche sul sito cartografico della Regione Liguria [2].
In questo caso, tuttavia, non trovo informazioni sulla licenza.

Provo a contattarli per provare a chiedere il permesso a usare i dati
che forniscono tramite WMS? C'è in giro una lettera di richiesta già
predisposta, che posso utilizzare come base per formulare la richiesta?
Non ho molta esperienza nel muovermi con le amministrazioni pubbliche e
non vorrei commettere errori..


[1]
http://www.geoportale.piemonte.it/cms/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=55Itemid=73lang=it
[2]
http://www.cartografia.regione.liguria.it/templateRC.asp?home=0itemID=30level=1label=REPERTORIO%20CARTOGRAFICO


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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Liguria

[sabas88]

Il giorno 15 gennaio 2014 11:17, solitone solit...@mail.com ha scritto:

 Tiziano Gedda ha scritto:
 
  Ciao a tutti..
 
  ho trovato questi WMS [1] forniti dalla Regione Piemonte con licenza
  CC-BY 2.5 che potrebbero essere molto utili.
 
  Posso utilizzarli come base per un ricalco?
 
 
  Tiziano
 

 Mi aggancio alla domanda di Tiziano per segnalare che ho trovato molti
 dati interessanti anche sul sito cartografico della Regione Liguria [2].
 In questo caso, tuttavia, non trovo informazioni sulla licenza.


Quasi tutti i dati regionali del servizio cartografico) sono disponibili in
open data (http://www.regione.liguria.it/opendata.html).
I wms non so come sono regolati.
Io avevo parlato al telefono con lo sportello, scritto email sia allo
sportello (info...@regione.liguria.it) sia alla capa dei servizi
territoriali (questo protocollato ma mai risposto), e parlato con chi stava
lavorando al progetto open data...


 Provo a contattarli per provare a chiedere il permesso a usare i dati
 che forniscono tramite WMS? C'è in giro una lettera di richiesta già
 predisposta, che posso utilizzare come base per formulare la richiesta?
 Non ho molta esperienza nel muovermi con le amministrazioni pubbliche e
 non vorrei commettere errori..


Prova a scrivere ad Infoter e dare un chiamo :)

Ciao,
Stefano

 
 [1]

 http://www.geoportale.piemonte.it/cms/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=55Itemid=73lang=it
 [2]

 http://www.cartografia.regione.liguria.it/templateRC.asp?home=0itemID=30level=1label=REPERTORIO%20CARTOGRAFICO


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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Liguria

[solitone]

sabas88 ha scritto:
 Quasi tutti i dati regionali del servizio cartografico) sono
 disponibili in open data (http://www.regione.liguria.it/opendata.html).
 I wms non so come sono regolati.

Dal sito Open Data della Regione Liguria, ho seguito per esempio il
collegamento alla pagina della Carta Regionale sc. 1:25000 - ed. 1994/95
[1]. Lì si specifica che la licenza è CC-BY 3.0.

Sempre in quella pagina c'è un collegamento alla pagina di dettaglio
[2], che si trova all'interno del sito della Cartografia della Regione
Liguria, che ho indicato nel mio primo messaggio, e da cui si possono
recuperare le informazioni per il servizio WMS.

Quindi direi che i dati hanno in generale licenza CC-BY 3.0, come è
logico aspettarsi, sia che vengano scaricati tramite il sita Open Data,
sia che vengano recuperati tramite WMS.

Su come rispettare l'obbligo di attribuzione, al fine di utilizzare
questi dati in OSM, ho già scritto la mia opinione nel thread gemello su
WMS Piemonte. Riepilogando, propongo che venga:

i) aggiornata la pagina dei Contributors, aggiungendo un riferimento ai
dati forniti dal geoportale della Regione Liguria.
ii) specificata la fonte anche nel campo source=*, quando i dati del
geoportale della Liguria rappresentano la fonte principale di
informazioni per l'oggetto che viene aggiunto in OSM.

Fatemi sapere cosa ne pensate.

[1]
http://www.regione.liguria.it/opendata/dati-cartografici/item/38796-carta-regionale-sc-125000-ed-199495.html
[2]
http://www.cartografia.regione.liguria.it/apriFoglia.asp?itemID=30101fogliaID=1592

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Liguria

[sabas88]

Il giorno 15 gennaio 2014 12:31, solitone solit...@mail.com ha scritto:

 sabas88 ha scritto:
  Quasi tutti i dati regionali del servizio cartografico) sono
  disponibili in open data (http://www.regione.liguria.it/opendata.html).
  I wms non so come sono regolati.

 Dal sito Open Data della Regione Liguria, ho seguito per esempio il
 collegamento alla pagina della Carta Regionale sc. 1:25000 - ed. 1994/95
 [1]. Lì si specifica che la licenza è CC-BY 3.0.

 Sempre in quella pagina c'è un collegamento alla pagina di dettaglio
 [2], che si trova all'interno del sito della Cartografia della Regione
 Liguria, che ho indicato nel mio primo messaggio, e da cui si possono
 recuperare le informazioni per il servizio WMS.

 Quindi direi che i dati hanno in generale licenza CC-BY 3.0, come è
 logico aspettarsi, sia che vengano scaricati tramite il sita Open Data,
 sia che vengano recuperati tramite WMS.


Si ma il dato è un conto, il WMS è una elaborazione del dato, vai ad usare
altre risorse, per questo sarebbe consigliabile chiedere, IMO.


 Su come rispettare l'obbligo di attribuzione, al fine di utilizzare
 questi dati in OSM, ho già scritto la mia opinione nel thread gemello su
 WMS Piemonte. Riepilogando, propongo che venga:

 i) aggiornata la pagina dei Contributors, aggiungendo un riferimento ai
 dati forniti dal geoportale della Regione Liguria.
 ii) specificata la fonte anche nel campo source=*, quando i dati del
 geoportale della Liguria rappresentano la fonte principale di
 informazioni per l'oggetto che viene aggiunto in OSM.


Per me è sempre bastato il tag source, per farti un esempio, Villa Hambury
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/195587323

Poi si è iniziato ad usare il tag source solo sul gruppo di modifiche ed è
diventato source=Regione Liguria...


 Fatemi sapere cosa ne pensate.
 
 [1]

 http://www.regione.liguria.it/opendata/dati-cartografici/item/38796-carta-regionale-sc-125000-ed-199495.html
 [2]

 http://www.cartografia.regione.liguria.it/apriFoglia.asp?itemID=30101fogliaID=1592

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Liguria

[solitone]

sabas88 ha scritto:
 il dato è un conto, il WMS è una elaborazione del dato, vai ad usare
 altre risorse

Però se sulla pagina principale leggo CC-BY e, da lì, mi manda a una
pagina di dettaglio dove c'è anche l'URL del WMS, mi viene da pensare
che possa utilizzare il WMS rispettando la CC-BY.

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Liguria

[Alessandro]

A me arrivano i comunicati di Infoter, ve ne giro uno.

 Messaggio originale 
Oggetto:COMUNICAZIONE INFOTER N° 23/2013
Data:   Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:40:41 +
Mittente:   Infoter info...@regione.liguria.it



Nel Repertorio Cartografico _http://www.cartografia.regione.liguria.it/_
alla voce CARTE TEMATICHE /PIANIFICAZIONE DEL TERRITORIO E CATASTO sono
pubblicati e scaricabili i dataset *Deflusso Minimo Vitale DMV - Fattore
morfologico (M) - DGR n. 1175/2013 *e*Deflusso Minimo Vitale DMV -
Fattore correttivo (Q) - DGR n. 1175/2013.*
La Giunta regionale ha approvato con DGR 1175/2013, ai sensi dell'art.
26 delle Norme di Attuazione del Piano di Tutela delle Acque, la prima
definizione dei fattori correttivi relativi al calcolo del Deflusso
Minimo Vitale - DMV che riguardano: morfologia del territorio (M),
aspetti naturalistici (N), qualità acque fluviali (Q). Per l'area di
competenza dell'Autorità di Bacino del F. Magra si rimanda al Piano
stralcio Tutela dei corsi d'acqua interessati da derivazioni che è stato
approvato con DCR n. 15/2001.
Ancora nel Repertorio Cartografico
_http://www.cartografia.regione.liguria.it/_alla voce CARTE TEMATICHE /
ACQUE INTERNE è pubblicato e scaricabile il dataset
*Classificazione dello Stato dei Corpi Idrici Superficiali Triennio
2009-2011 - DGR n.1615/2012.*
E' rappresentata la classificazione dello Stato Chimico e dello Stato
Ecologico per i corpi idrici tipizzati ai sensi del DM 131/2008. I corpi
idrici sono intesi come fiumi, laghi, acque di transizione e tratti di mare.
I *dataset *sono scaricabili gratuitamente anche dal sito
istituzionale**_www.regione.liguria.it_
http://www.regione.liguria.it** sezione *OPEN DATA\cartografia.
*_http://www.regione.liguria.it/opendata/dati-cartografici.html_
*Per accedere alla procedura di download è sufficiente, una volta
entrati nel Repertorio o nella sezione OPEN DATA, scegliere il livello
di interesse, selezionare *_Servizio di download/conversione_
http://cartodownloadpubb.regione.liguria.it/webpubb/RichiestaDownload.aspx?CodiceCatalogo=158*ed 


inserire la propria mail.*
Si rimane a disposizione per eventuali chiarimenti e informazioni.
Distinti Saluti
info...@regione.liguria.it



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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Tiziano Gedda]

Questo può aiutarci a chiarire come citare la fonte?

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Maurizio Napolitano]

 in realtà non è così chiaro come dice Napo, al solito cerchiamo di chiarire
 con il proprietario come citare la fonte (cerchiamo di autorizzarci di avere
 la fonte soltanto nel changeset e/o nel wiki). La cc-by non è chiara nel
 merito, quindi non è sufficiente. Ad ogni modo qualsiasi dato importato con
 una licenza con vincoli ci lega di più rispetto ad un possibile cambio di
 licenza in futuro come previsto dai Contributor Terms.

Sono voluto essere sibillino apposta.
In ML c'è Cesare Gerbino che sicuramente potrà dare maggiori dettagli.
Di mio posso dire che in Regione Piemonte, sul tema sono interessati
che i dati vengano riusati.

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[solitone]

Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
 Di mio posso dire che in Regione Piemonte, sul tema sono interessati
 che i dati vengano riusati.

Ma c'è qualcuno che possiamo contattare per cercare di ufficializzare la
questione?

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Maurizio Napolitano]

2014/1/14 solitone solit...@mail.com:
 Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
 Di mio posso dire che in Regione Piemonte, sul tema sono interessati
 che i dati vengano riusati.

 Ma c'è qualcuno che possiamo contattare per cercare di ufficializzare la
 questione?
http://www.dati.piemonte.it/contattaci/3.html

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am 14/gen/2014 um 11:11 schrieb solitone solit...@mail.com:

 Di mio posso dire che in Regione Piemonte, sul tema sono interessati
 che i dati vengano riusati.


come dici anche te, la miglior licenza è PD / cc0 per ottenere questo

ciao,
Martin


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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

citato male, scusate, era Napo a cui rispondo

 Am 14/gen/2014 um 11:28 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
 
 
 
 Am 14/gen/2014 um 11:11 schrieb solitone solit...@mail.com:
 
 Di mio posso dire che in Regione Piemonte, sul tema sono interessati
 che i dati vengano riusati.
 
 
 come dici anche te, la miglior licenza è PD / cc0 per ottenere questo
 
 ciao,
 Martin
 

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Maurizio Napolitano]

 Di mio posso dire che in Regione Piemonte, sul tema sono interessati
 che i dati vengano riusati.


 come dici anche te, la miglior licenza è PD / cc0 per ottenere questo

e la nota curiosa è che questo l'ho imparato da Regione Piemonte :)

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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[solitone]

Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
 http://www.dati.piemonte.it/contattaci/3.html

Non c'è modo di riuscire a visualizzare l'immagine che contiene i
caratteri per il controllo di sicurezza


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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Maurizio Napolitano]

FICHISSIMO :)


2014/1/14 solitone solit...@mail.com:
 Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
 http://www.dati.piemonte.it/contattaci/3.html

 Non c'è modo di riuscire a visualizzare l'immagine che contiene i
 caratteri per il controllo di sicurezza


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Re: [Talk-it] WMS Piemonte

[Tiziano Gedda]

dovrebbe funzionare ugualmente anche senza captcha..perché dopo aver aver fatto 
un invio di prova dice “grazie per averci contatto” ;)

Tiziano
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