Re: [Talk-hr] Biciklijada Petrinja 15.06.2013.
Ksenija kulić tweety.ksenija@... writes: Bili smo. I trackovi su na OSM-u Sama Petrinja je dosta dobro izmapirana, ali okolica bi mogla biti i bolja... Stavili smo nekoliko osm bugova putem, a ostalo ćemo pogledati dok se vratimo u civilizaciju :) Ksenija i Matija Dobro, bitno da mi je Petrinja više manje dobro pokrivena. Okolicu ćemo već srediti nekako. :) ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] historic=battlefield
On 06/25/2013 06:07 AM, Georges De Gruyter wrote: ... They should forbid people to edit with potlatch... They = the openstreetmap police ? ;-) Vrees dat het niet enkel van Potlatch afhangt of mappers al dan niet fouten maken It's called humor, never forget to laugh! But on a more serious note, everyone can dive in without even knowing the correct tags, potlatch makes that possible, for JOSM, one needs to get to know it first. Big difference I think between the 2. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] historic=battlefield
JOSM is een prachtige editor, maar je hoeft niet meer moeite te doen om fouten te maken dan met Potlatch. Eén recent voorbeeld : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/luchirio/edits Mvg, Georges 2013/6/25 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be On 06/25/2013 06:07 AM, Georges De Gruyter wrote: ... They should forbid people to edit with potlatch... They = the openstreetmap police ? ;-) Vrees dat het niet enkel van Potlatch afhangt of mappers al dan niet fouten maken It's called humor, never forget to laugh! But on a more serious note, everyone can dive in without even knowing the correct tags, potlatch makes that possible, for JOSM, one needs to get to know it first. Big difference I think between the 2. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] historic=battlefield
On 06/25/2013 05:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: For bomputten one could use historic=bomb_crater, but only when it has some historic value (e.g. when it's marked with an information board). I'm still under the impression that historic=battlefield is not meant for each individual bunker or bomb. The typical example in Belgium would be Waterloo. The trenches in the Westhoek would also fall in this category. They are definitely not historic, in fact, they are a nature reserve and are protected now, so it would not be appropriate since there is no real historic value, the story about those craters is explained at the entrance of the reserve I think to remember. But that's all there is to it. I did seem to think I saw most bunkers being marked correctly, so without battlefield tag. But I didn't check with JOSM directly. Just marking it as a bunker is fine but the battlefield tag is most probably overkill. Glenn ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] historic=battlefield
Thanks Marc for understanding. I believe it is very important to have people on the field, who are trying to help with the OSM-map. You can not reach them by using English or say they must not use Potlach. Het lijkt mij meer normaal een probleem in Eppegem in het Nederlands te bespreken. Ik ben zeker dat heel veel nieuwe ( of oude ;-0 ) medewerkers gewoon om die reden afhaken. Nog maar eens : de (kleine) groep die OSM controleert en verbeterd is onmisbaar en ik heb heel veel respect voor hun werk. Wat ik steeds vraag (en waar imho te weinig voor gedaan wordt) is om zoveel mogelijk vrijwilligers te kunnen bereiken. Is een battle-field het grootste probleem in Eppegem? Zijn daar alle gebouwen gemapt? hebben ze een adres? zijn alle winkels/horeca/bedrijven gemapt? just my 2 cents ;-) 2013/6/25 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com Ivo, ik geef je gelijk dat we sommige mappers afschrikken door alle/veel communicatie in het Engels te doen. I'll agree that we might scare away some (potential) mappers by doing most communication in English. m On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.comwrote: Misschien een andere taal gebruiken, bv nederlands ;-) 2013/6/24 Jo winfi...@gmail.com Please be gentle when explaining him where he goes wrong :-) We need all the fresh blood, I mean mappers we can get... Jo 2013/6/24 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be The Eppegem cemetary is like 1200 meters from my doorstep, I never saw a battlefield reference on the cemetary. Whats worse is , in his other edits he's adding parking space where I've already done all the parking space around. user has 5 edits on his name: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fransvm I'm originally from Bonheiden, so I'll take a look there too after I see what has been done here. Glenn On 06/24/2013 09:37 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: I'm interested in the usage of historic=battlefield. I saw that someone added this to e.g. to a cemetery in Eppegem (Zemst) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2308368137 There are also a lot of those tags around Bonheiden - Rijmenam - Keerbergen: http://geschichtskarten.openstreetmap.de/historische_objekte/?zoom=13lat=51.00577lon=4.56379layers=BFT Are these really battlefields or are they bunkers, cemeteries (something else) ? Can the tag ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dbattlefield ) also be used for those purposes ? regards m ___ Talk-be mailing listTalk-be@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Ivo De Broeck Valleilaan 13 3360 Korbeek-lo tel +32 16 43 84 93 gsm +32 486 17 61 13 spanje tel +34 966 841 726 gsm +34 603 661 778 ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Ivo De Broeck Valleilaan 13 3360 Korbeek-lo tel +32 16 43 84 93 gsm +32 486 17 61 13 spanje tel +34 966 841 726 gsm +34 603 661 778 ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] historic=battlefield
Ik denk dus inderdaad dat er een taalbarriere is voor OSM. Waarom ? omdat dit niet enkel een project van geeks/nerds is zoals zoveel andere open source projecten. Zoals ik al schreef is er volgens mij een hele groep gepensioneerden die de tijd en zin hebben om surveys te doen en bij te dragen, maar nu niet bereikt kunnen worden. De kennis van het Engels is meer ingeburgerd bij de latere generaties. Fouten in het gebruik van tags komen voor met alle editors en bij alle gebruikers, nieuw en oud. Zelfs ben ik 2 jaar heel intensief bezig en nog elke dag (bij manier van spreken) zie ik tags opduiken (of combinaties) die ik verkeerd of onvolledig gebruik of niet ken. Vandaar die mailtjes naar OSM i.v.m. battlefield of designation. Als ik zie hoe weinig er feitelijk gemapped wordt in het gebied Antwerpen - Mechelen; Sint-Niklaas-Lier, dan kan ik alleen maar zeggen dat we meer mappers nodig hebben. Het zijn altijd dezelfde paar namen die daar optreden (en dan nog vooral ten zuiden van Antwerpen). Zoals in een van de talks op State of the Map US gezegd werd, er zijn ongeveer 5% mappers die 90% in kaart brengen. Die groep moet je vertroetelen en je moet er meer van hebben. Ze hebben er ook wel geen idee van hoe je die groep moet vergroten. Met het schrijven van deze mail heb ik jammer genoeg de kans gemist om 3-4 beschermde monumenten in te brengen zoals ik andere morgenden doe. :-) so sorry, no English this morning groeten/regards m 2013/6/25 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be Ivo On 06/25/2013 08:50 PM, Ivo De Broeck wrote: Thanks Marc for understanding. I believe it is very important to have people on the field, who are trying to help with the OSM-map. You can not reach them by using English or say they must not use Potlach. Je trekt mijn onschuldig en grappig bedoelde opmerking te ver uit de context. Als mensen willen blijven verder prutsen in hun browsers, mij niet gelaten. Ik zei ook niet dat je Engels moet gebruiken. Hetgeen je tussen de lijnen had moeten lezen is dat ik geen hoge dunk van Potlach heb. Het lijkt mij meer normaal een probleem in Eppegem in het Nederlands te bespreken. Ik ben zeker dat heel veel nieuwe ( of oude ;-0 ) medewerkers gewoon om die reden afhaken. Fris dan maar alvast uw frans op want het verfranst hier op kruissnelheid. Ook in die winkels die ik heb gemapt. Engels zal u -inderdaad- niet helpen hier. Het is misschien niet altijd duidelijk voor sommige groepen van mensen -zeer diplomatisch- maar Engels is best wel een universele voertaal op 'open'+'community' dingen zoals wiki/openstreetmap, het is eigenlijk nog maar de 1ste keer dat ik tegenkom dat Engels zo een struikelblok lijkt te zijn. Nog maar eens : de (kleine) groep die OSM controleert en verbeterd is onmisbaar en ik heb heel veel respect voor hun werk. Wat ik steeds vraag (en waar imho te weinig voor gedaan wordt) is om zoveel mogelijk vrijwilligers te kunnen bereiken. Wie moet dit dan doen volgens jou ? Ben je zelf deel van die groep ? En hoe meet je dit momenteel eigenlijk? Even de vraag kritische bekeken, waaruit concludeer je die stelling eigenlijk? Hoeveel contributers zijn er ? Heeft iemand die statistieken liggen ? Is een battle-field het grootste probleem in Eppegem? Zijn daar alle gebouwen gemapt? hebben ze een adres? zijn alle winkels/horeca/bedrijven gemapt? just my 2 cents ;-) Ik woon zelf niet in Eppegem, maar ik heb wel mijn best gedaan om de horecazaken te mappen in de buurt. Het battlefield probleem is maar hetgeen boven kwam drijven. Achterliggend heb ik verdwenen amenity (dokter), 2 way's die losgemaakt waren (met ~9 fietsroute relaties op). Wat betreft gebouwen heb ik er duizenden opgezet in Weerde, Zemst en Eppegem. Ik schat iets onder de 10 000, ruw gezien. Ik heb hier bijna alles gezet met de tag building. Sommigen konden wat beter staan, ben eraan bezig. Maar ook brownfields, constructies en nieuwe wegen in aanmaak staan erop wanneer ik ze heb gezien of via de gemeente verneem. Niet alles is gemapt maar kwa huisnummers is Weerde bijna compleet, de rest is work-in-progress (Sorry voor het Engels! - ook een onschuldig grapje), het zal ook nooit compleet zijn. zie http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pK om een idee te krijgen over die buildings waar je naar vraagt. Dus als uw punt was: is uwe achtertuin in orde? Dan denk ik dat mijn antwoord is: Nee, maar ben hier wel goed bezig denk ik, en als er dan goede info verdwijnt en rommel boven komt dan vind ik dat toch nog een probleem waarover gesproken moet worden in welke taal dan ook. Maar vooral in de taal van actie, en dat is het enige waar je betere kaarten mee krijgt. En dat is wat ik wat mis soms. Glenn 2013/6/25 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com Ivo, ik geef je gelijk dat we sommige mappers afschrikken door alle/veel communicatie in het Engels te doen. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org
[OSM-talk-be] designation-key
Now I understand why it's misused so often Nu begrijp ik waarom de key zo dikwijls misbruikt is: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2012-August/046254.html(in french) it was/is proposed by Potlatch hij werd/wordt altijd getoond door Potlatch no intent to bash Potlatch niet bedoelt om Potlatch af te breken regards groeten m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[Talk-si] Prošnja za podatke geodetski inštitut
Ž ivjo! Zanima me ali se je morda že kdo pozanimal na geodetskem inštitutu za podatke, ki bi jih potem uporabili za openstreetmap? Glede na vizijo ( Naša *vizija *je postati ključni slovenski povezovalec pri zagotavljanju okolja (znanja in tehnologije), ki bo omogočalo pospešeno uporabo prostorskih informacij pri odločanju za različne skupine uporabnikov (osebe, javni in zasebni sektor). bi se morda dalo kaj dogovoriti. Lp Andrej ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si
Re: [Talk-si] Prošnja za podatke geodetski inštitut
Živjo! Pred kakšnim letom (ali morda kaj več) smo vprašali za uporabo podatkov meje Slovenije in smo tudi dobili dovoljenje za uporabo (ti podatki so prosto dostopni). Če poiščeš po arhivu te liste boš sigurno dobil kaj več podatkov o tem, za druge podatke pa v kolikor vem so proti plačilu. Če pa ima kdo boljše stike lahko poizkusi... LP, Damjan 25.06.2013 - 17:56 - Andrej Znidarsic: Ž ivjo! Zanima me ali se je morda že kdo pozanimal na geodetskem inštitutu za podatke, ki bi jih potem uporabili za openstreetmap? Glede na vizijo ( Naša *vizija *je postati ključni slovenski povezovalec pri zagotavljanju okolja (znanja in tehnologije), ki bo omogočalo pospešeno uporabo prostorskih informacij pri odločanju za različne skupine uporabnikov (osebe, javni in zasebni sektor). bi se morda dalo kaj dogovoriti. Lp Andrej ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si
[OSM-talk] Donation drive complete?
http://donate.openstreetmap.org/server2013/ tells me that the server fund is now 102.36% complete. Two points: 1. Awesome. Hell yeah. New servers! 2. Does this mean that the fundraising banner on osm.org will now be removed? Yours, -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
(Apologies for cross-posting) Hi all, I am conducting academic research on how the OpenStreetMap vocabulary of tags and keys evolved. For this reason, I am analysing the OSM Wiki website (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page). It would be very helpful if you could answer some of these questions, based on your experience with OSM: * Have you defined/updated definitions of tags and keys in the Wiki? * Is the editing of the wiki mostly an individual, online activity or is there collaborative editing of groups of users? * What were the first keys/tags to be defined? * Were there specific milestones/events/meetings/parties that marked the evolution of the keys/tags? * What were the “difficult” keys and tags that required a lot of discussion? And the “easy” ones? * Do you have any examples of conflicts/disagreements/edit wars in the Wiki? * Were there mistakes in the tag/key definition process? * How do you solve the conflicts in the vocabulary? * What lessons did you learn from the development of the Wiki? If you want to contact me privately, please drop an email at andrea [dot] ballatore [at] gmail [dot] com. Thanks in advance for any information! Mulone ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
On 25/06/2013 16:48, Mulone Moligiangi wrote: (Apologies for cross-posting) Since you don't appear to have cross-posted, I wonder why you're apologising for it. However, there are plenty of other things that perhaps you should explain: * Are you Mulone Moligiangi or Andrea Ballatore? * Which institution do you work for? You say you're doing academic research, but don't say who for. * What are you hoping to show with this survey? What use do you see this information being to the OSM community, and will they see the results? * Your questions are quite vague, loosely-worded and open-ended. How will this help your research? * Are you aware of the difference between what gets written in the wiki versus what tags actually get used? Sorry to be so harsh, but if you expect the OSM community to help you, you need to explain better why it's in their interests to do so. J. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Donation drive complete?
On 25 June 2013 14:25, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: http://donate.openstreetmap.org/server2013/ tells me that the server fund is now 102.36% complete. The donation drive has been a phenomenal success. Thank you to all who have donated! We have already put the funds to good use: Database server ordered and delivered + services server on order (not an exciting machine, but it runs our internal network filesystem and other important background services.) Since the drive has been so successful, we would like to bring forward other planned hardware upgrades, and improve the OSM service even further. To cover these we are extending the target by £32,500. Planned: * Routing API servers * Additional Networking Capacity (faster, more reliable access) * Additional Tile Server Infrastructure (quicker more responsive tiles, globally) * Additional Redundancy (stuff breaks much less often) * Extending hardware contingency fund (when stuff breaks it comes back quicker) / Grant Part of the OSM sysadmin team ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
On 25/06/2013 17:22, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 25/06/2013 16:48, Mulone Moligiangi wrote: (Apologies for cross-posting) Since you don't appear to have cross-posted, I wonder why you're apologising for it. I posted this on the OSM forum too, this is why I'm apologising. I will also cross-post to the tagging mailing list soon. However, there are plenty of other things that perhaps you should explain: * Are you Mulone Moligiangi or Andrea Ballatore? I'm Andrea Ballatore. Mulone Moligiangi is a pseudonym I use occasionally. This is my homepage: http://sites.google.com/site/andreaballatore * Which institution do you work for? You say you're doing academic research, but don't say who for. I'm currently employed by University College Dublin, Ireland. * What are you hoping to show with this survey? What use do you see this information being to the OSM community, and will they see the results? I'm working on the tagging process, trying to understand how it works on the wiki and how people reach consensus on difficult issues. The OSM community will see the results in academic articles. * Your questions are quite vague, loosely-worded and open-ended. How will this help your research? This is an exploratory phase, where I'm trying to collect opinions about the tagging process. It's not intended to provide quantitative results. * Are you aware of the difference between what gets written in the wiki versus what tags actually get used? This is one of the points on which I'm sure you know a lot about :-) Sorry to be so harsh, but if you expect the OSM community to help you, you need to explain better why it's in their interests to do so. Fair enough. A ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Mulone Moligiangi mul...@rome.com wrote: I'm working on the tagging process, trying to understand how it works on the wiki and how people reach consensus on difficult issues. The OSM community will see the results in academic articles. How it works *on the wiki*, or how it works on the data? There's a correlation between these two datasets, but you cannot say that because something is documented on the wiki that it has reached any sort of consensus. I think it's 3% of OSM users are responsible for 80-something percent of all OSM data (the exact number was presented at SF) That means there thirty-six thousand contributors who are making the vast majority of the map. The problem for someone studying the process it that the tagging list (and the wiki) are more proscriptive than descriptive. In other words, many people who are on the list, and active, are people who want to tell others how they should map, rather than actually going out and mapping. In these cases, the tagging in the DB and the tagging in the wiki are not the same. So to understand how consensus is formed (using your terminology), you'd have to look at far more than the wiki. You'd have to look at what's done in practice, and then you'd need to examine the data products (rendered data, routing data) as well as what the editors decide to include or not to include as a preset. I'd argue that consensus is formed not from the wiki as much as from from the editors, and the renderers, and taginfo. In fact, you may find that the wiki doesn't relate to common practice in many cases. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
Am 25.06.2013 19:57, schrieb Mulone Moligiangi: On 25/06/2013 17:22, Jonathan Bennett wrote: * What are you hoping to show with this survey? What use do you see this information being to the OSM community, and will they see the results? I'm working on the tagging process, trying to understand how it works on the wiki and how people reach consensus on difficult issues. The OSM community will see the results in academic articles. Sorry to ask back carefully here again: Do we have to extend will see the results in academic articles by if they have enough money to buy the corresponding academic newspaper/magazine? or by , which are ensured to be available free of charge and for anybody interested.? One of my personal main problems with academic research is that it's incredible expensive to look into articles without having access to them (or to libraries which pay for that access somehow), so this would be at least a good argument for me (and I guess some others) to put more effort in telling you more detailled stuff, I guess ;) regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
On 25/06/2013 17:22, Jonathan Bennett wrote: Sorry to be so harsh It's not the first time we welcome researchers on this list in such a bad mood (not necessarily you Jonathan). It's childish. You could start by explaining that the tagging process is complex, is not only happening on the wiki, that not all of them are the result of a consensus, that some of them are raised on foreign countries and extended later to the world (e.g. the Karlsruhe schema). On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'd argue that consensus is formed not from the wiki as much as from from the editors, and the renderers, and taginfo. You cannot say that. Give me an example where the editors decided how to tag features in the past. By chance, the developers are not trying to impose new tags or changes. They follow what's happening on the tagging list and/or the wiki. And taginfo is just showing stats which can be easily biased by mass imports. I think it's 3% of OSM users are responsible for 80-something percent of all OSM data and probable 1% of that 3% is talking about creating, refining or changing tags. Most of the contributors simply don't search too long for a tag definition or a corresponding proposal on the wiki or statistics on taginfo. Most of them will simply not map the feature if if it's not present in the presets and in the map features wiki page. One advise for Andrea: check the osm.org main mailing list and tagging list archives about the vote process on the wiki. This will tell you more than anything on the wiki about the process of establishing new tags in OSM. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] What to do with a improper created wiki page ?
How/Where can we move a page like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=breeding out of the way ? There is no proposal and the tags usage is at three (taginfo). Cheers colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
There are different approaches to surveys and loosely-worded questions or open ended questions are one legitimate approach. OSM suffers from a huge turnover or drop out rate of active mappers perhaps the survey may help identify ways to help retention. We've already identified that what is in the wiki is not necessarily what is in the map and their are some conflicts within the wiki, which some people may find confusing. Cheerio John On 25 June 2013 12:22, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: On 25/06/2013 16:48, Mulone Moligiangi wrote: (Apologies for cross-posting) Since you don't appear to have cross-posted, I wonder why you're apologising for it. However, there are plenty of other things that perhaps you should explain: * Are you Mulone Moligiangi or Andrea Ballatore? * Which institution do you work for? You say you're doing academic research, but don't say who for. * What are you hoping to show with this survey? What use do you see this information being to the OSM community, and will they see the results? * Your questions are quite vague, loosely-worded and open-ended. How will this help your research? * Are you aware of the difference between what gets written in the wiki versus what tags actually get used? Sorry to be so harsh, but if you expect the OSM community to help you, you need to explain better why it's in their interests to do so. J. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
On 25.06.2013 21:58, Pieren wrote: On 25/06/2013 17:22, Jonathan Bennett wrote: Sorry to be so harsh It's not the first time we welcome researchers on this list in such a bad mood (not necessarily you Jonathan). It's childish. You could start by explaining that the tagging process is complex, is not only happening on the wiki, that not all of them are the result of a consensus, that some of them are raised on foreign countries and extended later to the world (e.g. the Karlsruhe schema). Sorry, but if you are planning a research I expect you to first read a bit. It should not be so hard to find older threads on the list's archive and you will easily find what infos are wished. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'd argue that consensus is formed not from the wiki as much as from from the editors, and the renderers, and taginfo. You cannot say that. Give me an example where the editors decided how to tag features in the past. By chance, the developers are not trying to impose new tags or changes. They follow what's happening on the tagging list and/or the wiki. Wow, what an optimistic view. At least for JOSM I hope the few developers spend there time coding and not checking the wiki and follow the sometimes never ending discussions on the mailing lists. The presets syntax is not that hard but there are only few people supplying patches. And taginfo is just showing stats which can be easily biased by mass imports. +5 I think it's 3% of OSM users are responsible for 80-something percent of all OSM data and probable 1% of that 3% is talking about creating, refining or changing tags. Most of the contributors simply don't search too long for a tag definition or a corresponding proposal on the wiki or statistics on taginfo. Most of them will simply not map the feature if if it's not present in the presets and in the map features wiki page. Now you did explain yourself why editors (presets) form a tagging scheme. Once you have reached a certain usage it is quite hard to change the tag and there is no rule not to include tags in presets below a certain usage or certain number of different users adding that tag. One advise for Andrea: check the osm.org main mailing list and tagging list archives about the vote process on the wiki. This will tell you more than anything on the wiki about the process of establishing new tags in OSM. Or just have a look at the last month and you will learn at lot about the process of developing tags (e.g. reservoir, power). colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
On 25.06.2013 21:35, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 25.06.2013 19:57, schrieb Mulone Moligiangi: On 25/06/2013 17:22, Jonathan Bennett wrote: * What are you hoping to show with this survey? What use do you see this information being to the OSM community, and will they see the results? I'm working on the tagging process, trying to understand how it works on the wiki and how people reach consensus on difficult issues. The OSM community will see the results in academic articles. Sorry to ask back carefully here again: Do we have to extend will see the results in academic articles by if they have enough money to buy the corresponding academic newspaper/magazine? or by , which are ensured to be available free of charge and for anybody interested.? One of my personal main problems with academic research is that it's incredible expensive to look into articles without having access to them (or to libraries which pay for that access somehow), so this would be at least a good argument for me (and I guess some others) to put more effort in telling you more detailled stuff, I guess ;) +10 Why should I help a research if some big player make money of this knowledge/result and even the researcher have to pay money to get it publish. Knowledge is substantial for men kind and should be free for everyone. colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey on the OSM Wiki
Pieren wrote: You cannot say that. Give me an example where the editors decided how to tag features in the past. Two off the top of my head: 1. Potlatch popularised the use of a certain set of values for the surface= tag. 2. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=designation+talk-fr+site%3Alists.openstreetmap.org By chance, the developers are not trying to impose new tags or changes. They follow what's happening on the tagging list and/or the wiki. I can't speak for any other editor, of course, but I have never _followed_ tagging@ or wiki votes for Potlatch tag presets. They are one piece of source material, yes, but only something to be informed by, and even then very minimally. taginfo and real-world mapping experience are much more useful. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Survey-on-the-OSM-Wiki-tp5766905p5766969.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What to do with a improper created wiki page ?
Hi, On 25.06.2013 22:03, colliar wrote: How/Where can we move a page like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=breeding out of the way ? There is no proposal and the tags usage is at three (taginfo). It could be moved to the Proposal namespace and left to the original author to beef up into a proper proposal. Anyone can move pages btw., it's hidden beneath the down arrow left of the search field. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] What to do with a improper created wiki page ?
On 26.06.2013 00:26, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 25.06.2013 22:03, colliar wrote: How/Where can we move a page like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=breeding out of the way ? There is no proposal and the tags usage is at three (taginfo). It could be moved to the Proposal namespace and left to the original author to beef up into a proper proposal. Anyone can move pages btw., it's hidden beneath the down arrow left of the search field. Thanks, done ! Cheers signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Please test this Native wikipedia link - feature
If we link from OSM as a international project to a Wikipedia article there is the problem, that we cannot link everybody to the article of his native language. In order to overcome this problem I had the idea to use the new Wikidata project. The first project of Wikidata is to collect all associated Wikipedia articles of different languages in a machine-readable format. In example you will find the object with the ID 1 here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1 There you can find all available translations of the english article Universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe My idea was to use these Wikidata objects to link everybody to the Wikipedia article of his browser language. For the Universe article this should be done by clicking this: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wdrdr/cgi-bin/index.cgi?item=q1 For other Wikidata objects / Wikipedia articles you can replace the 1 by another number. How to find a number? Choose a Wikipedia article and scroll down. At its left side below the languages you will find a link to the associated Wikidata object. Click it and take the number from the adressbar after the Q. The Wikidata interlanguage link is implemented in all 280 Wikipedia languages. Replace the 1 by the number found above and paste it into your adressbar. http://tools.wmflabs.org/wdrdr/cgi-bin/index.cgi?item=q1 Now you should see the Wikipedia article in the language of your browser. Please report here which browsers and which language you have tried. Thank you Of course this Native Wikipedia link -feature could not only be used by OSM. As far as I know this is the first application of Wikidata for use outside of Wikipedia. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please test this Native wikipedia link - feature
I have a lot of thoughts about this proposal, but this really should happen on the tagging list. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please test this Native wikipedia link - feature
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de wrote: My idea was to use these Wikidata objects to link everybody to the Wikipedia article of his browser language. For the Universe article this should be done by clicking this: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wdrdr/cgi-bin/index.cgi?item=q1 Hmm. It is great to link people to their native language wikipedia article, and good to see a use case for wikidata. But is there a way to make this work all the time, for all articles? Host, externally to OSM, a script that processes your browsers language preference tags and tests wikipedia pages in order, eventually returning a redirect to the best match? In my case that would bring up English first, but if no version of English is available, German: An example header from a browser: Accept-Language: en,en-gb;q=0.8,de;q=0.5 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please test this Native wikipedia link - feature
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I have a lot of thoughts about this proposal, but this really should happen on the tagging list. At this time this is no official proposal but only a question if it worked for you or not - in which language and with which browsers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please test this Native wikipedia link - feature
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: In my case that would bring up English first, but if no version of English is available, German: The present fallback is the Wikidata article. These questions I ask myself as well. But at present the basic functionality should be tested. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] JOSM uploads past 2000 points
Hi I am all to aware of the 2000 node limit with OSM but when using JOSM to create lakes as multipolygons from multiple ways it is easier to create the ways, link them a multipolygon relationship, tag properties and upload. JOSM then creates a change set and gives five tries and fails so if you hit upload again it tries again. Strangely if I use Polatch 2 to check I nearly always find the lake is added to OSM. On at least one occasion JOSM uploaded the lake more than once. In fact five times. I have to exit JOSM and restart it to avoid the changeset wanting to endlessly upload, Rather than restarting josm: Upload-Changesets-Upload to a new Changeset The old changeset will time out and you can upload to new changeset(s) from there on. Has anyone else experienced this issue. Reading on the web suggests this is a common problem with some claiming a configuration setting in JOSM can eliminate this issue. Don't know about a config setting but if you have the Selection panel open on the right hand side of the window, then select the object it will tell you how many nodes are used by it. It is then a simple matter to split (Tools-Split Way) the way into two (or more) pieces. If its a loop way then select two (or more) nodes on opposite sides and then split it. If you do the split after adding all the tags or creating the multipolygon they are copied to the new way. Cheers Ross As usual any help would be appreciated as you can imagine it is frustrating when mapping large lakes. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] park vs nature reserve
Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? I'm trying to map piney lakes (see http://www.melvillecity.com.au/environment/piney-lakes/copy_of_piney-lakes-bushlands ) which has a park-like southern area and a bushlands reserve to the north. Do I split the area into two? define some relation? similarly any advice on the dogs allowed part? Andrew ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
From: Andrew Elwell [mailto:andrew.elw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:43 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? I'm trying to map piney lakes (see http://www.melvillecity.com.au/environment/piney-lakes/copy_of_piney- lakes-bushlands ) which has a park-like southern area and a bushlands reserve to the north. Do I split the area into two? define some relation? My guess is there is a leisure=park inside the nature reserve. It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. There have been cases where people have misapplied to large rural parks, which don't fit the definition of leisure=park. I'm not saying that's the case here, just that it's happened. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
Paul Norman wrote: It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. I'm guessing that the second park in that sentence is used in the North American national/state park sense whereas the one in the original question usage sounded closer to British English usage*. However one example, Kings Park in Perth, has it's entire area as a leisure=park, even the maintained bushland part: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4850399 This does make some sense to me as the maintenance of the bushlands part is surely just as artificial as the manicured lawns to the east. The first English stateley home parks were very much highly engineered to look natural too. Cheers, Andy * IANA Australian, so can't particularly comment on that... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM uploads past 2000 points
Hi, When you click on Upload then there is an Advanced tab. Settings are in there. Cheers Ross On 25/06/13 17:56, Brett Russell wrote: Hi My menu is File, Edit, View, Tools, Presets, Imagery, Windows, Audio, Help. Were will I find the settings you mention? Cheers Brett Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:54:57 +1000 From: i...@4x4falcon.com To: brussell...@live.com.au; talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] JOSM uploads past 2000 points Hi, As Ian points out Upload-Advanced-Chunks or Upload-Advanced-Individually Cheers Ross On 25/06/13 15:44, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi, I don't know quite what happened, but the relation and all the ways were duplicated four times. I deleted three of them. You can specify in the advanced settings of josm to upload the changeset in smaller chunks. I find this is useful. Ian. On 25 June 2013 13:43, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au mailto:brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Ross Thanks for the info. I will give it a shot and look for the node count. I have when creating a way found hovering back over it down the bottom of the screen it will tell me the nodes used. What I have found if I create a way of say 1500 nodes and upload, then create another way of say the same number of nodes, and then upload and finally then create a multipolygon relationship and tag the properties and upload all works well. But if I do it in one step and then upload I strike the mentioned problem. My worry is multiple uploads as they are a pain to find, edit and or remove. Just want to keep OSM data a clean as possible and not corrupt the database. From memory moving a large multipolygon lake in JOSM creates a similar problem. So I align lakes in Polatch 2 and all works well. Finding JOSM very powerful but still very much a newbie with it. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 25/06/2013, at 1:25 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Hi I am all to aware of the 2000 node limit with OSM but when using JOSM to create lakes as multipolygons from multiple ways it is easier to create the ways, link them a multipolygon relationship, tag properties and upload. JOSM then creates a change set and gives five tries and fails so if you hit upload again it tries again. Strangely if I use Polatch 2 to check I nearly always find the lake is added to OSM. On at least one occasion JOSM uploaded the lake more than once. In fact five times. I have to exit JOSM and restart it to avoid the changeset wanting to endlessly upload, Rather than restarting josm: Upload-Changesets-Upload to a new Changeset The old changeset will time out and you can upload to new changeset(s) from there on. Has anyone else experienced this issue. Reading on the web suggests this is a common problem with some claiming a configuration setting in JOSM can eliminate this issue. Don't know about a config setting but if you have the Selection panel open on the right hand side of the window, then select the object it will tell you how many nodes are used by it. It is then a simple matter to split (Tools-Split Way) the way into two (or more) pieces. If its a loop way then select two (or more) nodes on opposite sides and then split it. If you do the split after adding all the tags or creating the multipolygon they are copied to the new way. Cheers Ross As usual any help would be appreciated as you can imagine it is frustrating when mapping large lakes. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] JOSM uploads past 2000 points
Hi, As Ian points out Upload-Advanced-Chunks or Upload-Advanced-Individually Cheers Ross On 25/06/13 15:44, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi, I don't know quite what happened, but the relation and all the ways were duplicated four times. I deleted three of them. You can specify in the advanced settings of josm to upload the changeset in smaller chunks. I find this is useful. Ian. On 25 June 2013 13:43, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au mailto:brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Ross Thanks for the info. I will give it a shot and look for the node count. I have when creating a way found hovering back over it down the bottom of the screen it will tell me the nodes used. What I have found if I create a way of say 1500 nodes and upload, then create another way of say the same number of nodes, and then upload and finally then create a multipolygon relationship and tag the properties and upload all works well. But if I do it in one step and then upload I strike the mentioned problem. My worry is multiple uploads as they are a pain to find, edit and or remove. Just want to keep OSM data a clean as possible and not corrupt the database. From memory moving a large multipolygon lake in JOSM creates a similar problem. So I align lakes in Polatch 2 and all works well. Finding JOSM very powerful but still very much a newbie with it. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 On 25/06/2013, at 1:25 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com mailto:i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Hi I am all to aware of the 2000 node limit with OSM but when using JOSM to create lakes as multipolygons from multiple ways it is easier to create the ways, link them a multipolygon relationship, tag properties and upload. JOSM then creates a change set and gives five tries and fails so if you hit upload again it tries again. Strangely if I use Polatch 2 to check I nearly always find the lake is added to OSM. On at least one occasion JOSM uploaded the lake more than once. In fact five times. I have to exit JOSM and restart it to avoid the changeset wanting to endlessly upload, Rather than restarting josm: Upload-Changesets-Upload to a new Changeset The old changeset will time out and you can upload to new changeset(s) from there on. Has anyone else experienced this issue. Reading on the web suggests this is a common problem with some claiming a configuration setting in JOSM can eliminate this issue. Don't know about a config setting but if you have the Selection panel open on the right hand side of the window, then select the object it will tell you how many nodes are used by it. It is then a simple matter to split (Tools-Split Way) the way into two (or more) pieces. If its a loop way then select two (or more) nodes on opposite sides and then split it. If you do the split after adding all the tags or creating the multipolygon they are copied to the new way. Cheers Ross As usual any help would be appreciated as you can imagine it is frustrating when mapping large lakes. Cheers Brett ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
From: SomeoneElse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:47 AM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve Paul Norman wrote: It's important to remember that leisure=park doesn't apply to all parks. I'm guessing that the second park in that sentence is used in the North American national/state park sense whereas the one in the original question usage sounded closer to British English usage*. However one example, Kings Park in Perth, has it's entire area as a leisure=park, even the maintained bushland part: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4850399 I've not been to Perth, so I can't comment, but based on the paths, I could see it being either way. This does make some sense to me as the maintenance of the bushlands part is surely just as artificial as the manicured lawns to the east. The first English stateley home parks were very much highly engineered to look natural too. The examples I was thinking of were places like Yellowstone National Park (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1453306) which is about 9 thousand square kilometers, or closer to me, the North Cascades, which is notable for its rugged mountain peaks. A comparable Australian example would be if someone tagged Litchfield National Park as leisure=park ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Elwell andrew.elw...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? Great question. For my part, I'm pretty lazy and just tag everything as leisure=park, and hope that someone else will clean it up :) Within cities, it will be hard to come up with clear guidelines to apply the tags: nature reserves that are called X park, parks that are called X reserve, parks that contain conservation reserves within them, and vice versa. There is some not-very-enlightening text here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#.28National.2C_State_etc.29_Parks If you come up with any guidelines it would be great to document them there. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] park vs nature reserve
Andrew, I don't think the current definitions in OSM provide well for the range of 'parks' you will encounter. I think its probably best to try and at least define the borders between various sections, even if you end up labeling them all with the same. For example near me there is a section of National Park, State Forest and State Conservation Reserve, all adjoining. Before the OSM licensing issues a few years ago, this was all presented as one homogeneous lump, clearly wrong. Better to get the areas mapped and if later, better tags come into use, easy to update. Tags worth thinking about - landuse=forest; recreation_ground; conservation (last one unapproved) leisure=park; nature_reserve; dog_park boundary=national_park I don't think the definitions of any of them are very helpful to be honest. I use boundary=national_park for parks we would clearly identify as not being a National Park but its the closest we have. David On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 15:42 +0800, Andrew Elwell wrote: Can someone point me to guidelines for where the .au distinction between the two lies? I'm trying to map piney lakes (see http://www.melvillecity.com.au/environment/piney-lakes/copy_of_piney-lakes-bushlands ) which has a park-like southern area and a bushlands reserve to the north. Do I split the area into two? define some relation? similarly any advice on the dogs allowed part? Andrew ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi Brett, The relation it appears OSMI is complaining about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3007272/history The relation that appears is there now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3018458/history Ian. On 26 June 2013 12:26, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Hi Ian Thanks for looking at this. Err, I not to sure what I am looking for as this is the first time I have seen changesets. One strange thing though. In Polatch 2 the lake is no longer coloured blue like other lakes. Is this a side effect of having an island? Cheers Brett From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:51:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Hi Brett, The relation it appears OSMI is complaining about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3007272/history The relation that appears is there now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3018458/history Ian. On 26 June 2013 12:26, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector
Well OSMI takes a while to update sometimes. However the history of the relations tells us that the ways that made up the original relation were deleted, new ways were created and added to a new relation. This left an empty relation. The existing relation may or may not have had a bad geometry, I'm not going to bother checking it, but the new one you have created appears perfectly fine. In terms of mapping style, I guess that you removed the old ways that made up the original relation in order to improve on them. However, that left an empty relation. Empty relations are very easy to lose track of because they have no location information left in them. Personally I think there should be a warning as you are removing the last object from a relation, because it isn't something you really want to do. Ian. On 26 June 2013 15:02, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi Ian Thanks for looking at this. Err, I not to sure what I am looking for as this is the first time I have seen changesets. One strange thing though. In Polatch 2 the lake is no longer coloured blue like other lakes. Is this a side effect of having an island? Cheers Brett -- From: inas66+...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:51:27 +1000 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Using OSM Inspector To: brussell...@live.com.au CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Hi Brett, The relation it appears OSMI is complaining about: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3007272/history The relation that appears is there now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3018458/history Ian. On 26 June 2013 12:26, Brett Russell brussell...@live.com.au wrote: Hi I have been having a look at OSM Inspector and noticed an error it picked up in my mapping. It is Lake Picone in Tasmania and has an island in it so done as a multipolygon relationship. Can some familiar with mapping such things have a look at it and let me know what I should be doing. Much appreciated any help to improve my mapping. Cheers Brett Russell PO Box 94 Launceston Tas. 7250 Australia 0419 374 971 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] Kann jemand ein schönes Plakat malen?
Am 22.06.2013 13:03, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Wer zwar nicht malen kann, aber einen guten Einfall zu meiner Skizze hat oder wer findet, dass etwas wichtiges ausgelassen ist, der darf das natuerlich auch gern hier diskutieren. Ich kann nicht malen und darf deshalb etwas zum Inhalt sagen. Das obere Drittel gefällt mir. Der mittlere Teil ist sehr technisch und passt nicht richtig zum übrigen Inhalt. Ich würde auf Begriffe wir diff und planet verzichten und nur von minütlichen Aktualisierungen und Datenbankauszug als Datei sprechen. Es fehlt eine Angabe, welche Inhalte in der OSM-Datenbank stehen (insbesondere Daten, die nicht in der Standardkarte sichtbar sind, wie Öffnungszeiten, erlaubte Höchstgeschwindigkeit, Rollstuhleignung, etc.). Die Overpass/Xapi gehört eher in den unteren Teil. Bei den unten genannten Anwendungen wird kaum deutlich, was OSM von den übrigen Kartendiensten (Google, Bing, TomTom,...) unterscheidet (gute Fußgängernavigation, Spezialkarten, interaktive Kartenanwendungen). Es fehlt eine Angabe zur Lizenz (z.B. Die Daten können für nahezu alle privaten und kommerziellen Zwecke genutzt werden, wenn auf die Urheberschaft von OSM hingewiesen wird.) Niemand kann sich alle URLs des Plakats merken. Eine zum Plakat passende Webseite mit klickbaren Links wäre schön. Gruß Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Moin, eigentlich wollte ich ja schon imemr was auf das man eigene Software drauftun kann. Vielliecht wird das hier: http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-multiwireless-multifunction-gps-runs-android/ ja was ich mir vorstelle und kann endlich den alten Gpsmap ablösen. Bin gespannt Sven -- Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail. (Abraham Lincoln) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Fragt sich welche Software man da am besten benutzt ... :) LG Ruben Am 25. Juni 2013 15:08 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: Moin, eigentlich wollte ich ja schon imemr was auf das man eigene Software drauftun kann. Vielliecht wird das hier: http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-multiwireless-multifunction-gps-runs-android/ ja was ich mir vorstelle und kann endlich den alten Gpsmap ablösen. Bin gespannt Sven -- Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail. (Abraham Lincoln) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
On 25.06.2013 16:46, Ruben Kelevra wrote: Fragt sich welche Software man da am besten benutzt ... :) OSMAnd z.B.? KeyPad Mapper, OSM Tracker, is doch super, wenn man das endlich auf nem Gerät mit ordentlichem Display und gutem GPS nutzen kann :) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
On 06/25/2013 04:49 PM, Benjamin Lebsanft wrote: On 25.06.2013 16:46, Ruben Kelevra wrote: Fragt sich welche Software man da am besten benutzt ... :) OSMAnd z.B.? KeyPad Mapper, OSM Tracker, is doch super, wenn man das endlich auf nem Gerät mit ordentlichem Display und gutem GPS nutzen kann :) Ordentlich im Sinne von Lesbarkeit bei Sonnenlicht ja, aber die Auflösung ... 480x272 ... da hatte ja selbst mein allererster Androide schon mehr ... -- hartmut ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Hi, Am Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:49:08 +0200 schrieb Benjamin Lebsanft benja...@lebsanft.org: ...endlich auf nem Gerät mit ... gutem GPS ... Bei einer Wanderung habe ich ein Garmin eTrex30, ein Mobistel Cynus F3 und ein Sony-Ericsson Xperia pro aufzeichnen lassen. Die Smartphones liefen mit GPS dauernd an und alle Geräte bekamen einige Minuten Vorlaufzeit ohne Bewegung. Ich hatte mit erheblichen Qualitätsunterschieden in den Tracks gerechnet und die waren nicht da. Der Problempunkt lag eher darin, dass ich nach schätzungsweise 6-7 Stunden mit den Smartphones genauso gut hätte telefonieren können wie mit dem Garmin. Wilhelm(Weide) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Am 25.06.2013 16:56, schrieb Hartmut Holzgraefe: On 06/25/2013 04:49 PM, Benjamin Lebsanft wrote: On 25.06.2013 16:46, Ruben Kelevra wrote: Fragt sich welche Software man da am besten benutzt ... :) OSMAnd z.B.? KeyPad Mapper, OSM Tracker, is doch super, wenn man das endlich auf nem Gerät mit ordentlichem Display und gutem GPS nutzen kann :) Ordentlich im Sinne von Lesbarkeit bei Sonnenlicht ja, aber die Auflösung ... 480x272 ... da hatte ja selbst mein allererster Androide schon mehr ... Und wieder nur IPX7. Wenn man schon Werbung in Richtung rugged macht, sollte es schon mehr sein, finde ich. Pluspunkt: handelsübliche Batterien/Akkus zur Stromversorgung. Bei Android eine Seltenheit. Leider kein gsm/umts dabei. Nein, ich will nicht telefonieren sondern Daten direkt rauf- und runterladen. Brauche dann ein zusätzliches tethering fähiges Gerät oder ein offenes W-lan. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Bei mir hab ich keine Probleme mit dem Display (AMOLED) und auch keine Probleme mit GPS (hat auch Glonass/GPS). Macht auch im Gebäude n fix auf 10 Meter Umkreis und sonst etwa 1-2 Meter Genauigkeit wenn ich ne Karte mit der Wirklichkeit vergleiche. Davon ab hat das Display 720p und 5,5 Zoll ;) LG Ruben Am 25. Juni 2013 16:49 schrieb Benjamin Lebsanft benja...@lebsanft.org: On 25.06.2013 16:46, Ruben Kelevra wrote: Fragt sich welche Software man da am besten benutzt ... :) OSMAnd z.B.? KeyPad Mapper, OSM Tracker, is doch super, wenn man das endlich auf nem Gerät mit ordentlichem Display und gutem GPS nutzen kann :) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
On 25.06.2013 17:37, Ruben Kelevra wrote: Bei mir hab ich keine Probleme mit dem Display (AMOLED) und auch keine Probleme mit GPS (hat auch Glonass/GPS). Macht auch im Gebäude n fix auf 10 Meter Umkreis und sonst etwa 1-2 Meter Genauigkeit wenn ich ne Karte mit der Wirklichkeit vergleiche. Davon ab hat das Display 720p und 5,5 Zoll ;) Ja ok, ich bin einfach mal davon ausgegangen, dass Garmin da mehr drauf hat, ohne das Gerät genau anzuschauen. Ich bin mit meinem Nexus4 GPS/Display auch gut zufrieden und v.a. kostet es weniger als das Garmin Teil. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Hartmut Holzgraefe hartmut.holzgra...@gmail.com wrote: Ordentlich im Sinne von Lesbarkeit bei Sonnenlicht ja, aber die Auflösung ... 480x272 ... Ich finde tageslichtfähigkeit in diesem Zussamenhang wichtiger als Auflösung. Fürd rad scheint mir das Gerät ziemlich perfekt zu sein, wenn man mal davon absieht, dass der Preis deutlich zu teuer ist. Sven -- A strategy for rewarding artists that regulates 'copies' makes as much sense in the digital age as a strategy for controlling greenhouse gases that regulates breathing. (Lawrence Lessig) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Locus und JOSM
On 22.06.2013 12:06, hike39 wrote: [...] beim Import der GPX-Daten nach JOSM ahbe ich festgestellt, dass die Infos zu den einzelnen POIs alle in JOSM mit angezeigt werden. Kennt jemand von Euch eine Methode diese Datenflut einzudampfen, so dass man in JOSM vernünftig den POI erfassen kann? Einstellungen JOSM (F12) - Anzeige-Einstellungen (sollte das aktive Fenster sein) ganz unten: Wegpunkt-Beschriftung eine der Voreinstellungen wählen oder Benutzerdefiniert und die für dich relevanten Sachen setzen. Gruß Thomas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Hallo, einen kleinen Testbericht (deutsch) gibt es auch schon zum Monterra: http://www.pocketnavigation.de/2013/06/garmin-monterra-wurf-bruder/ Anscheinend will Garmin für einen Teil seiner Geräte weiterhin das Garmin-Betriebssystem verwenden. Zitat: Die Garmin-Kollegen betonten uns gegenüber aber, dass man bei den anderen Garmin-Geräten auch weiterhin auf Garmin-eigene Betriebssysteme baut. Was wichtig ist, es ist kein Handy, denn er hat keinen SIM-Karten-Slot. Man könnte ihn also auch im Auto als Navi einsetzen und anstelle der Garmin-Navi-Software OsmAnd oder eine andere Android-OSM-App verwenden. Der Preis scheint auch deshalb so hoch zu sein, weil der Monterra Google-Play-fähig ist. Viele Grüße Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Michael Reichert schrieb: Der Preis scheint auch deshalb so hoch zu sein, weil der Monterra Google-Play-fähig ist. Die Frage ist doch: Wie lange läuft es? Wenn ich mir die Laufzeit von Android-Smartphones so angucke, dann machen die meisten nach 5-6 Stunden Aktivität oder bis zu 18 Stunden normaler Nutzung schlapp. Mein Outdoor-Navi läuft auch nach vier bis fünf Tagen mäßiger Nutzung noch ohne Batteriewarnung. Android ist toll, keine Frage, aber man braucht es wirklich nicht überall. Mein Navi soll mir die Karte anzeigen, wo ich bin, wo ich hin will, und wie ich da hin komme. Da brauche ich keine Apps, keinen Store, keine Smartphonefunktionen, und kein WLAN oder GSM, sondern ein gutes GPS, und ein Display, das auch ohne Beleuchtung lesbar ist. Grüße, Dirk -- Local time :: Ortszeit :: DE-HH 2013-06-25T19:08:07+0200 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kann jemand ein schönes Plakat malen?
On 06/25/13 12:55, Stephan Wolff wrote: Am 22.06.2013 13:03, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Wer zwar nicht malen kann, aber einen guten Einfall zu meiner Skizze hat oder wer findet, dass etwas wichtiges ausgelassen ist, der darf das natuerlich auch gern hier diskutieren. Ich kann nicht malen und darf deshalb etwas zum Inhalt sagen. Das obere Drittel gefällt mir. Der mittlere Teil ist sehr technisch und passt nicht richtig zum übrigen Inhalt. Ich würde auf Begriffe wir diff und planet verzichten und nur von minütlichen Aktualisierungen und Datenbankauszug als Datei sprechen. Es fehlt eine Angabe, welche Inhalte in der OSM-Datenbank stehen (insbesondere Daten, die nicht in der Standardkarte sichtbar sind, wie Öffnungszeiten, erlaubte Höchstgeschwindigkeit, Rollstuhleignung, etc.). Die Overpass/Xapi gehört eher in den unteren Teil. Bei den unten genannten Anwendungen wird kaum deutlich, was OSM von den übrigen Kartendiensten (Google, Bing, TomTom,...) unterscheidet (gute Fußgängernavigation, Spezialkarten, interaktive Kartenanwendungen). Es fehlt eine Angabe zur Lizenz (z.B. Die Daten können für nahezu alle privaten und kommerziellen Zwecke genutzt werden, wenn auf die Urheberschaft von OSM hingewiesen wird.) Niemand kann sich alle URLs des Plakats merken. Eine zum Plakat passende Webseite mit klickbaren Links wäre schön. ein 2D barcode und eine kurze url würde einen gute Verknüpfung schaffen ... :-D Gruß Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Hallo Dirk, Am 25.06.2013 19:13, schrieb Dirk Sohler: Michael Reichert schrieb: Der Preis scheint auch deshalb so hoch zu sein, weil der Monterra Google-Play-fähig ist. Die Frage ist doch: Wie lange läuft es? Wenn ich mir die Laufzeit von Android-Smartphones so angucke, dann machen die meisten nach 5-6 Stunden Aktivität oder bis zu 18 Stunden normaler Nutzung schlapp. Mein Outdoor-Navi läuft auch nach vier bis fünf Tagen mäßiger Nutzung noch ohne Batteriewarnung. Wie die anderen Outdoorgeräte von Garmin sind AA-Akkus (NiMH oder Li-Ionen) die Energiequelle des Monterra. Du musst das Gerät bei der Wanderung also kurz ausschalten, Klappe öffnen, Akkus wechseln, fertig. Android ist toll, keine Frage, aber man braucht es wirklich nicht überall. Mein Navi soll mir die Karte anzeigen, wo ich bin, wo ich hin will, und wie ich da hin komme. Da brauche ich keine Apps, keinen Store, keine Smartphonefunktionen, und kein WLAN oder GSM, sondern ein gutes GPS, und ein Display, das auch ohne Beleuchtung lesbar ist. Den Store brauche ich auch nicht, solange der Entwickler die APK auch selbst zum Download anbietet, was bei den meisten Open-Source-Projekten der Fall ist. Es gibt aber Fälle, in denen man mit der Garmin-Software nicht zufrieden ist. Das Gerät wird bestimmt keinen Lkw-Modus kennen, in diversen freie Navi-Apps (z.B. OsmAnd) gibt es das bzw. könnte man es implementieren. Man könnte natürlich auch sagen, man nimmt sein Android-Smartphone und einen Bluetooth-GPS-Empfänger, aber dann muss man zwei Geräte mitschleppen und der Smartphone-Akku ist nachher trotzdem leer. Viele Grüße Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Michael Reichert schrieb: Wie die anderen Outdoorgeräte von Garmin sind AA-Akkus (NiMH oder Li-Ionen) die Energiequelle des Monterra. Du musst das Gerät bei der Wanderung also kurz ausschalten, Klappe öffnen, Akkus wechseln, fertig. Klar, die Frage ist: Wie oft. Wie schon gesagt, ich komme mit einem Batterieset mehrere Tage aus, mein Handy macht nach einigen Stunden bereits schlapp. Es gibt aber Fälle, in denen man mit der Garmin-Software nicht zufrieden ist. Das Gerät wird bestimmt keinen Lkw-Modus kennen, Wobei sich mir da die Frage stellt, wozu ein rugged Outdoor-Navi einen LKW-Modus benötigt … Grüße, Dirk -- Local time :: Ortszeit :: DE-HH 2013-06-25T20:30:45+0200 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Hallo Dirk, Am 25.06.2013 20:35, schrieb Dirk Sohler: Es gibt aber Fälle, in denen man mit der Garmin-Software nicht zufrieden ist. Das Gerät wird bestimmt keinen Lkw-Modus kennen, Wobei sich mir da die Frage stellt, wozu ein rugged Outdoor-Navi einen LKW-Modus benötigt … Ich vermute, dass es wie die eTrexs, Dakotas, Orgeons usw. keinen Lkw-Modus haben wird, da Garmin teurer (ca. doppelt bis dreimal so teuer) Lkw-Navis verkaufen möchte. Ein Smartphone kannst du nicht als Lkw-Navi nehmen, da du das während der Fahrt nicht bedienen darfst. Es ist nämlich ein Mobilfunktelefon. Das Monterra hat kein GSM-Modul und ist daher auch kein Mobilfunktelefon. Außerdem ist Garmin der einzige Herstelle, der ein Lkw-Navi anbietet, auf dem man ohne großen Aufwand eine OSM-basierte Karte (z.B. die Transportkarte [1]) installieren kann. Viele Grüße Michael [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:OSM_Transport_Karte ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sprache des Namens Fehler in Kort.
Am 24.06.2013 22:53, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Ticket? GUI-Skizze? Funktionsidee, wie entschieden wird, welche Sprachen vorgeschlagen werden? Ich habe jetzt mal eine E-Mail zur JOSM-developer-Liste geschrieben, zusammen mit einem Mockup, den ich in Excel gestellt habe. Ich mecker nicht nur, sondern entwerfe das auch :) Mal sehen, was daraus wird und wie die Reaktionen sind. Viele Grüße ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sprache des Namens Fehler in Kort.
On 25.06.2013 22:46, Hans Schmidt wrote: Am 24.06.2013 22:53, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Ich habe jetzt mal eine E-Mail zur JOSM-developer-Liste geschrieben, zusammen mit einem Mockup, den ich in Excel gestellt habe. Für sowas ist https://josm.openstreetmap.de die besser Adresse, aber das wird schon klappen. Auch hättest Du Dich nicht erst auf der Mailingliste anmelden müssen sonder hättest sogar anonyme bleiben können ! Ich mecker nicht nur, sondern entwerfe das auch :) Super. Mal sehen, was daraus wird und wie die Reaktionen sind. Erwarte nicht zu viel. JOSM wird gerade von 1-4 Entwicklern aktiv entwickelt. Grüße fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Am 25.06.2013 15:08, schrieb Sven Geggus: http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-multiwireless-multifunction-gps-runs-android/ Das ist IMHO doch wieder nur halbgar bzw. nicht zu Ende gedacht: * Android 4.0.4 ist so was von steinalt für ein Gerät das irgendwann dieses Jahr herauskommen wird (die 4.1 ist schon lange draußen, auch die 4.2) * die Bildschirmauflösung 480x272 ist viel zu wenig (insbesonder für den Preis), wenn auch normale Apps darauf laufen sollen * nur WLAN und kein (Daten-)GSM/UMTS/LTE: in der Pampa habe ich keinen WLAN-AP = brauche zusätzlich ein Mobiltelefon für Tethering * und das für einen Preis wo ich Spitzen-Smartphones kriege... * es gibt Geheimniskrämerei um den Prozessor. Warum? * ... Grüße, Michael. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Michael Reichert schrieb: Ich vermute, dass es wie die eTrexs, Dakotas, Orgeons usw. keinen Lkw-Modus haben wird, da Garmin teurer (ca. doppelt bis dreimal so teuer) Lkw-Navis verkaufen möchte. Oder ganz einfach deshalb, weil als Outdoor-Navigationsgeräte konzipierte Hardware keine LKW-Navigation braucht … :) Ein Smartphone kannst du nicht als Lkw-Navi nehmen, da du das während der Fahrt nicht bedienen darfst. Haben nicht sowieso alle halbwegs modernen LKW (da, wo es tatsächlich auch nötig ist) Onboard-Navigation? Grüße, Dirk -- Local time :: Ortszeit :: DE-HH 2013-06-26T01:18:53+0200 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Michael Kugelmann schrieb: Das ist IMHO doch wieder nur halbgar bzw. nicht zu Ende gedacht: Leider ja :( Das ist so dieses gängige „schnell mal was mit Android machen, weil es gerade in ist, was mit Android zu machen“ der Hersteller, ohne tatsächlich zu prüfen, ob Android überhaupt das richtige System ist – und so toll Android auch auf dem Smartphone ist, an ein Outdoor-Navi stelle (sicher nicht nur) ich andere Ansprüche. * Android 4.0.4 ist so was von steinalt für ein Gerät das irgendwann dieses Jahr herauskommen wird (die 4.1 ist schon lange draußen, auch die 4.2) Vermutlich haben die zu 4.0.4-Zeiten mit der Entwicklung angefangen. Auch, wenn es viele Möglichkeiten bietet, so gehört doch einiges dazu, Android so weit anzupassen, dass es nicht mehr das Smartphone-OS ist, sondern als Outdoor-Navi-OS genutzt werden kann. … und irgendwas an Anpassung müssen die machen, sonst haben sie am Ende nichts weiter als ein Handset ohne Mobildatenfunktion, das sich irgendwo zwischen „Smartphone ohne Telefoniefunktion“ und „Navigationsgerät auf dem die Navigation nur eine von vielen Apps ist“ platziert, und zwar (fast) alles kann, aber nichts davon richtig gut. Aber Hauptsache, es kann Bluetooth 3.0, hat ein NFC-Modul, und ’nen Touchscreen (den man mit Handschuhen eh nicht bedienen kann). Das „rugged“ ist mit IPX7 gemäß Definition auch nichts weiter als „Schutz gegen zeitweiliges Untertauchen“, und sagt nichts über sonstige Fähigkeiten des Schutzes aus. Statt „IPX7 Ruggedization“ hätten sie auch einfach „wasserfest“ schreiben können („wasserdicht“ wäre nämlich IPX8), optimal geschützt wäre es mit IP68 (Staubdicht und vollständiger Schutz gegen Berührung, Schutz gegen dauerndes Untertauchen). Klingt alles in allem ein bisschen wie ein SUV für Navinutzer: Für den Alltagsgebrauch zu groß, und fürs Gelände ungeeignet … Grüße, Dirk -- Local time :: Ortszeit :: DE-HH 2013-06-26T01:20:39+0200 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie Adressen richtig richtig mappen?
Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com wrote: Wobei ich mit Straßenrelationen noch nie so recht warum geworden bin. Die große Mehrheit der Mapper wird sie überhaupt nicht kennen. Bei Verwendung von Straßenrelationen wird sich früher oder später jemand finden, der sie nicht erkennt und daher die vermeintlich fehlende Adresse mit dem Tag addr: doppelt. Ich habe associatedStreet nur in Ausnahmesituationen zusätzlich zum addr: Tag genutzt, wenn der gleiche Strassenname in beiden benachbarten Kommunen an deren Grenze existierte und das Haus deutlich näher zur falschen Straße stand. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
On 26.06.2013 00:56, Michael Kugelmann wrote: Am 25.06.2013 15:08, schrieb Sven Geggus: http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-multiwireless-multifunction-gps-runs-android/ Das ist IMHO doch wieder nur halbgar bzw. nicht zu Ende gedacht: * Android 4.0.4 ist so was von steinalt für ein Gerät das irgendwann dieses Jahr herauskommen wird (die 4.1 ist schon lange draußen, auch die 4.2) Wundert mich eh, dass es da noch keine Sammelklagen gegenüber den Handyhersteller gibt, da es meiner Meinung nach Aufgabe des Hersteller ist Updates (insbesondere Security Updates) zu Verfügung zu stellen. Zumindest sollte es aber möglich sein neue Versionen aufzuspielen ohne die Gewährleistung aufs Spiel zu setzten. Na ja, in ein paar Jahren gibt es wohl hoffentlich ein Debian Smartphone system und nicht nur ein gerooted System. Mal sehen wieweit ubuntu auf diesem Gebiet mal was der gesamten Gemeinschaft zurückgibt. fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie Adressen richtig richtig mappen?
On 26.06.2013 01:42, Tirkon wrote: Raimond Spekking raimond.spekk...@gmail.com wrote: Wobei ich mit Straßenrelationen noch nie so recht warum geworden bin. Die große Mehrheit der Mapper wird sie überhaupt nicht kennen. Woran das wohl wieder einmal liegt ? Fehlende Relationsunterstützung der Editor-Software ? Bei Verwendung von Straßenrelationen wird sich früher oder später jemand finden, der sie nicht erkennt und daher die vermeintlich fehlende Adresse mit dem Tag addr: doppelt. Wieso, addr:housenumber bleibt doch am Objekt. Ich habe associatedStreet nur in Ausnahmesituationen zusätzlich zum addr: Tag genutzt, wenn der gleiche Strassenname in beiden benachbarten Kommunen an deren Grenze existierte und das Haus deutlich näher zur falschen Straße stand. Bist Du Schweizer ? (Strasse) Ich verwende ausschließlich Relationen, nicht nur weil es viele solcher Ausnahmen gibt, sonder auch weil sortierte Relationen eine gute Übersicht über noch fehlende Hausnummern bzw. seltsame Nummerierungen bietet. fly ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Outdoor Androide von Garmin!
Dirk Sohler s...@0x7be.de schrieb: Michael Reichert schrieb: Haben nicht sowieso alle halbwegs modernen LKW (da, wo es tatsächlich auch nötig ist) Onboard-Navigation? Nein, haben sie nicht. Aus Erfahrung weiß ich, das es vielen Speditionen zu teuer ist und daher nicht mitbestellt wird. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] 2 nuovi ponti ciclopedonali a Pero
Il 06/23/2013 03:10 PM, Leonardo scrisse: Posso suggerire di aggiungere una nota su OSM nel punto interessato per segnalare la novità, assieme al link? Ho aggiunto la nota. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Argine fiume
Come va mappato l'argine di un fiume? Non mi riferisco al letto del fiume, ma al terrapieno di contenimento che viene realizzato dall'uomo per eventuali piene. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Argine-fiume-tp5766846.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Argine fiume
Se si tratta di un muro direi che barrier=retaining_wall dovrebbe andare bene. Se lo usi ricorda che la parte inferiore del muro di contenimento è quella a destra rispetto al senso di tracciatura. Ale_Zena_IT Il giorno Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:03:34 -0700 (PDT) bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Come va mappato l'argine di un fiume? Non mi riferisco al letto del fiume, ma al terrapieno di contenimento che viene realizzato dall'uomo per eventuali piene. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
in genere si preferisce non disegnare grandi aree con il landuse, in particolare per il farmland è meglio l'approccio campo per campo anche per lasciare fuori le strade, comprese quelle interpoderali, e le varie porsioni di terreno destinate ad altro. Prova a dare un occhiata al comune di Santa Maria la Longa (poco lontano da dove mappi) per un esempio. In ogni caso eviterei di usare il confine del comune come area per il landuse. Il giorno 25 giugno 2013 10:34, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Come reagiscono i comandi landuse se vengono sovrapposti? Ad esempio se uso il confine di comune per creare la landuse:farm che copre la maggior parte del territorio e poi creo le altre zone specifiche residential, industrial, ecc. Secondo voi è corretto o bisognerebbe creare una relazione e selezionare ogni area interna definendola come inner? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Argine fiume
Se sulla dorsale c'è una qualsiasi highway (quasi sempre almeno un path), marcala col tag adatto ed aggiungi embankment=yes Sul senso rispetto all'alveo ti hanno già scritto -- http://cascafico.altervista.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
On 24/06/2013 14:59, Kay F. Jahnke wrote: On 24.06.2013 10:21, Michele iw1gfv wrote: Trovo difficoltoso attivare e disattivare la mappa ad aree, come posso modificare la mappa in modo che quando attivo i poligoni siano attivi per tutta la mappa e non solo per l'area scelta, in modo da avere meno voci nel menù da attivare una ad una. Questo bit non capisco - probabilmente si utilizza caratteristiche del C60 che il mio etrex non ha. Per quanto riguarda la modifica della mappa va, è realizzato con strumenti gratuiti standard (ogr2osm, mkgmap) con i file di stile e simboli che ho disegnato (dove non sta usando simboli standard). Sarò felice di condividere il mio flusso di lavoro, in modo da poter modificare a vostro gusto. Nel menù di scelta della mappa mi ritrovo molte voci con questo schema In the maps menu i found may items with this scheme CTRN Piemonte polygon, Area 65019000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte polygon, Area 6502,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte polygon, Area 65035000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte polygon, Area 65036000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte Contour Lines, Area 89019000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte Contour Lines, Area 8902,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte Contour Lines, Area 89035000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte Contour Lines, Area 89036000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte I_arc, Area 88019000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte I_arc, Area 8802,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte I_arc, Area 88035000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte I_arc, Area 88036000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte arc, Area 66019000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte arc, Area 6602,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte arc, Area 66035000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte arc, Area 66036000,Jun 2013 È molto scomodo attivare area per area, sarebbe più comodo avere una sola grande area invece di molte piccole. Is very unconfortable have to activate area by area, it should be better if there was only a big area instead of many little areas As far as modifying the map goes, it is made with standard free tools (ogr2osm, mkgmap) with style files and symbols which I have designed (where it's not using standard symbols). I'll happily share my workflow, so you can modify it to your taste. Sarebbe interessante It could be interesting. Se ti serve spazio per la mappa sul mio sito ne ho, non sarebbe un problema ospitarla. Relativo all'istituzione della mappa, la ringrazio molto per l'offerta. Mi metterò in contatto con voi fuori lista in modo da poter discutere gli aspetti tecnici. Concerning the hosting of the map, thank you very much for the offer. I'll get in touch with you off-list so we can discuss the technicalities. Il mio indirizzo email è iw1...@yahoo.it attachment: iw1gfv.vcf___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Il giorno 25 giugno 2013 11:35, Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com ha scritto: in genere si preferisce non disegnare grandi aree con il landuse, in particolare per il farmland è meglio l'approccio campo per campo anche per lasciare fuori le strade, comprese quelle interpoderali, e le varie porsioni di terreno destinate ad altro. Prova a dare un occhiata al comune di Santa Maria la Longa (poco lontano da dove mappi) per un esempio. In ogni caso eviterei di usare il confine del comune come area per il landuse. +1! E aggiungo: MAI sovrapporre i landuse! Sarebbe male. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Argine fiume
non dovrebbe essere riverbank? O forse un nuovo feature in natural o waterway e o landuse? Ricordo che se n'è discusso nel passato, ma non ricordo la conclusione ;-) Per me l'argine di un fiume si merita anche una mappatura diretta e non solo indirettamente tramite eventuali costruzioni lungo l'argine. Ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Ok, certo che il risparmio di tempo sarebbe stato notevole e ci sarebbe stato anche un numero molto minore di punti (quindi di dati) da gestire. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5766880.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Il giorno 25 giugno 2013 16:21, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Ok, certo che il risparmio di tempo sarebbe stato notevole e ci sarebbe stato anche un numero molto minore di punti (quindi di dati) da gestire. Se sono dati giusti, non aver paura di intasare il DB. I dati sul landuse non sono meno importanti delle strade o degli edifici. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] sparite mappe osmand
Ciao! :-) guarda qui http://download.osmand.net/list.php Il 24/06/2013 18:41, beppebo...@libero.it ha scritto: dal sito osmand sono sparite le mappe obf qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: LOONEY TUNES: Acquista Peluche, Gadget e Abbigliamento Originale su mistercupido.com Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12902d=25-6 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Ma ad esempio il centro storico lo posso racchiudere tutto dentro un'area (perciò comprendendo anche le strade) o devo fare un'area attorno a tutte le strade? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5766894.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] landuse
Il giorno 25 giugno 2013 17:12, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Ma ad esempio il centro storico lo posso racchiudere tutto dentro un'area (perciò comprendendo anche le strade) o devo fare un'area attorno a tutte le strade? L'ideale sarebbe escludere le strade, così che un giorno magari possiamo mappare anche landuse=road. Diciamo che un'accettabile via di mezzo tra mappare i singoli lotti e mappare i paesi interi come un solo landuse è quella di creare landuse che coprono qualche isolato (diciamo... cinque? sei?). Non capita spesso di trovare zone più grandi senza neanche un supermercato o un parcheggio o un parco... Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
On 25.06.2013 13:57, Michele iw1gfv wrote: CTRN Piemonte arc, Area 66035000,Jun 2013 CTRN Piemonte arc, Area 66036000,Jun 2013 È molto scomodo attivare area per area, sarebbe più comodo avere una sola grande area invece di molte piccole. Is very unconfortable have to activate area by area, it should be better if there was only a big area instead of many little areas Ora capisco quello che vuoi dire. Questo perché la CTRN è organizzata in piccole sezioni rettangolari, circa un migliaio di loro, e per ogni sezione ci sono diversi shapefile. Ho combinato le corrispondenti shapefile di 16 sezioni adiacenti (come 66.019.000-66.019.150) nelle piastrelle più grandi (66.019.000), perché altrimenti ci sono troppi, ma naturalmente ci sono ancora un sacco di piastrelle. Potete dare un'occhiata al layout della mappa originale di dati.piemonte.it. Non so se è possibile mettere in valigia tutto in grandi aree (pensiamo come siamo volutamente diviso i dati OSM in sezioni gestibili invece di fare uno grande -. Che è l'6.324.000 [1-4] img nella mia mappa), ma cercherò di scoprire quando trovo il tempo. Che cosa si può fare per ora è questo: dividere il gmapsupp.img (con gmt) scegliere solo le sezioni che si usa unirsi a quelli in un piccolo gmapsupp.img Poi si dovrà solo quelle aree che avete messo in posto tutto il Piemonte e la scelta diventa molto più facile. *** english original Now I see what you mean. This is because the CTRN is organized in small rectangular sections, roughly a thousand of them, and for every section there are several shapefiles. I've combined the corresponding shapefiles of 16 adjoining sections (like 66019000 - 66019150) into larger tiles (66019000) because otherwise there are too many, but of course there are still a lot of tiles. You can have a look at the layout of the original map at dati.piemonte.it. I don't know if it's feasible to pack everything into large areas (think how we deliberately split the osm data into manageable sections instead of just making one big one - that's the 6324000[1-4].img in my map), but I'll try and find out when I find the time. What you can do for now is this: split the gmapsupp.img (with gmt) pick only the sections you use join those into a small gmapsupp.img Then you will only have those areas which you have put in instead the whole of the Piedmont and the selection becomes much easier. Il mio indirizzo email è iw1...@yahoo.it Ho scritto ieri, controllare se la mia mail non è stato filtrato accidentalmente. I wrote to you yesterday, check if my mail hasn't been filtered out accidentally. Kay ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
Kay F. Jahnke _...@yahoo.com ha scritto: Ora capisco quello che vuoi dire. Questo perché la CTRN è organizzata in piccole sezioni rettangolari, circa un migliaio di loro, e per ogni sezione ci sono diversi shapefile. Ho combinato le corrispondenti shapefile di 16 sezioni adiacenti (come 66.019.000-66.019.150) nelle piastrelle più grandi (66.019.000), perché altrimenti ci sono troppi, ma naturalmente ci sono ancora un sacco di piastrelle. Potete dare un'occhiata al layout della mappa originale di dati.piemonte.it. Non so se è possibile mettere in valigia tutto in grandi aree (pensiamo come siamo volutamente diviso i dati OSM in sezioni gestibili invece di fare uno grande -. Che è l'6.324.000 [1-4] img nella mia mappa), ma cercherò di scoprire quando trovo il tempo. Che cosa si può fare per ora è questo: dividere il gmapsupp.img (con gmt) scegliere solo le sezioni che si usa unirsi a quelli in un piccolo gmapsupp.img Poi si dovrà solo quelle aree che avete messo in posto tutto il Piemonte e la scelta diventa molto più facile. *** english original Now I see what you mean. This is because the CTRN is organized in small rectangular sections, roughly a thousand of them, and for every section there are several shapefiles. I've combined the corresponding shapefiles of 16 adjoining sections (like 66019000 - 66019150) into larger tiles (66019000) because otherwise there are too many, but of course there are still a lot of tiles. You can have a look at the layout of the original map at dati.piemonte.it. I don't know if it's feasible to pack everything into large areas (think how we deliberately split the osm data into manageable sections instead of just making one big one - that's the 6324000[1-4].img in my map), but I'll try and find out when I find the time. What you can do for now is this: split the gmapsupp.img (with gmt) pick only the sections you use join those into a small gmapsupp.img Then you will only have those areas which you have put in instead the whole of the Piedmont and the selection becomes much easier. Buona idea, proverò Good idea, i will try. Il mio indirizzo email è iw1...@yahoo.it Ho scritto ieri, controllare se la mia mail non è stato filtrato accidentalmente. I wrote to you yesterday, check if my mail hasn't been filtered out accidentally. Non ho nessun messaggio, puoi rimandarmi la mail? I haven't the message, can you re send the email? ciao bye ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Domanda su accessi ciclabili nel forum
Come promesso ho scritto alla Privincia di Bolzano e ricevuto una risposta precisa dall'Ufficio Amministrazione forestale, che includo qua sotto (in tedesco). Essenzialmente dice che quel segno non vieta l'accesso alle biciclette. Sono esclusi solo i mezzi motorizzati, come descritto nella legge citata. In bici si può andare salvo un divieto esplicito del proprietario del terreno. Non mi ha spiegato perchè si utilizza un segno sbagliato. La base legale alla quale si riferisce è specifica per il Sudtirolo. Test della risposta: Sehr geehrter Herr Schmidt, Ihre Anfrage zur Benutzung von Wegen mit Fahrrädern wurde zuständigkeitshalber an mich weitergeleitet. Das Foto auf dem von Ihnen angegebenen Link zeigt das Verbotsschild auf Straßen, die im Sinne des Landesgesetzes vom 8. Mai 1990, Nr. 10, i.g.F. (Bestimmungen über den Kraftfahrzeugverkehr in Gebieten, die aus hydrogeologischen Gründen geschützt sind) für den öffentlichen Verkehr gesperrt sind. Demzufolge ist der Verkehr und das Parken von motorbetriebenen Kraftfahrzeugen jeglicher Art in geschützten Gebieten verboten. Das Verbot gilt auch für Wanderwege, Pfade und andere Wege, die auf Grund ihrer Breite, des Gefälles oder des Bodenbelags weder für den Verkehr von Personenkraftwagen mit Zweiradantrieb geeignet sind noch regelmäßig instandgehalten werden. *Für Radfahrer sind diese Wege frei zu befahren, vorbehaltlich des Einverständnisses des Grundeigentümers, dessen Rechte unangetastet bleiben*. In Südtirol gibt es nämlich keine gesetzliche Regelung, die das Befahren von Wegen mit Fahrrädern nur auf eigens ausgewiesenen und beschilderten Routen beschränkt. Saluti Volker -- Forwarded message -- From: Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com Date: 2013/6/13 Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Domanda su accessi ciclabili nel forum To: openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org Sto scivendo una mail colla domanda all'amminsitrazione provinciale di Bolzano. Volker 2013/6/13 Umberto umberto.piace...@alice.it Il 12/06/2013 23:00, girarsi_liste ha scritto: Il 12/06/2013 22:45, sabas88 ha scritto: Ciao, c'� una domanda con foto relativa ad un cartello trovato su un sentiero in alto adige... http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=340682 Ciao, Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it La legge è questa: http://lexbrowser.provinz.bz.it/doc/it/lp-1990-10/legge_provinciale_8_maggio_1990_n_10.aspx?view=1a=1990in=- Credo valga solo per i veicoli a motore. Quoto quanto riportato sopra ma, purtroppo il segnale di divieto di accesso in Italia, così come fotografato, vieta l'accesso a tutti i veicoli indistintamente, sia a motore che non, quindi: divieto anche per il transito delle bici. Probabilmente hanno sbagliato nell'apporre solo quel segnale con l'indicazione della normativa provinciale, senza specificare se è permesso alle biciclette! Ciao. Umberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
On 25.06.2013 20:36, Michele iw1gfv wrote: Non ho nessun messaggio, puoi rimandarmi la mail? I haven't the message, can you re send the email? done. Kay ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
...@Michele anche sui vecchi modelli è possibile attivare e disattivare tutta una mappa saltando i riquadri cerca per bene e troverai l'arcano ...ovvero una volta eseguito menu impostazioni carta opzioni mappa è vero che compaie la scelta per attivare e disattivare i singoli riquadri e qua molti si sin fermati ma... ...clicca il pulsante menù e sorpresa sorpresina ...leggi questo per il 60 https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e97ef30135544eafid=E97EF30135544EAF!2432sc=documents#!/view.aspx?cid=E97EF30135544EAFresid=E97EF30135544EAF!5188app=WordPdf -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Mappa-per-Garmin-del-Piemonte-da-dati-CTRN-e-OSM-tp5766545p5766955.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
scratera piz...@alice.it ha scritto: ...@Michele anche sui vecchi modelli è possibile attivare e disattivare tutta una mappa saltando i riquadri cerca per bene e troverai l'arcano ...ovvero una volta eseguito menu impostazioni carta opzioni mappa è vero che compaie la scelta per attivare e disattivare i singoli riquadri e qua molti si sin fermati ma... ...clicca il pulsante menù e sorpresa sorpresina ...leggi questo per il 60 https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e97ef30135544eafid=E97EF30135544EAF!2432sc=documents#!/view.aspx?cid=E97EF30135544EAFresid=E97EF30135544EAF!5188app=WordPdf -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Mappa-per-Garmin-del-Piemonte-da-dati-CTRN-e-OSM-tp5766545p5766955.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Ma che meraviglia GRAZI!!! Posso attivare la mappa per ogni tipologia, ad esempio posso disattivare osm e vedere gli edifici sulla mappa di garmin, oppure usare osm e le curve di livello senza gli edifici. Le varie mappe le vedo come family name invece che con il loro nome, ma penso che con gmaptool possa risolvere. Ora vado a leggere il documento che hai postato. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappa per Garmin del Piemonte da dati CTRN e OSM
Kay F. Jahnke _...@yahoo.com ha scritto: On 25.06.2013 20:36, Michele iw1gfv wrote: Non ho nessun messaggio, puoi rimandarmi la mail? I haven't the message, can you re send the email? done. Kay I haven't the message again Try to iw1...@gmail.com or kanis...@alice.it Thanks ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-es] Fwd: [Portugal] OpenStreetMap party@Albergaria-a-Velha, próximo dia 29 de junho
Mapping Party en Portugal cerca de Aveiro. Micho García GIS Developer michogarcia.org geomati.co * Un día para hablar de GIS! geocamp.es * -- Forwarded message -- From: Jorge Gustavo Rocha j...@di.uminho.pt Date: 2013/6/18 Subject: [Portugal] OpenStreetMap party@Albergaria-a-Velha, próximo dia 29 de junho To: Lista OSM PT talk...@openstreetmap.org, OSGeo PT portu...@lists.osgeo.org Caros, É com muito prazer que reencaminho o convite da Câmara Municipal de Albergaria-a-Velha para a terceira party em Albergaria. Abraço, Jorge --8--**- CONVITE No próximo dia 29 de junho (das 9h às 18h) o município de Albergaria-a-Velha organiza a 3ª Party de Open Street Map, uma atividade inserida no movimento Vamos mapear Portugal da OSGEO-PT – Associação de Software Aberto para Sistemas de Informação Geográfica. Por isso, se te cativa a ideia de aprender a mapear, desafiamos-te a fazeres parte da nossa equipa e connosco construíres o mapa livre de Albergaria-a-Velha. Vamos juntos mapear Albergaria! Inscreve-te já através do email: s...@cm-albergaria.pt -- Jorge Gustavo Rocha Departamento de Informática Universidade do Minho 4710-057 Braga Tel: +351 253604480 Fax: +351 253604471 Móvel: +351 910333888 skype: nabocudnosor ___ Portugal mailing list portu...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/portugal smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Administrative regions of Johannesburg?
Hi all, Johannesburg is split into several administrative regions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Johannesburg I can't find any of these in OSM. I think it would be a great idea to add them, as well as a relation for each region so as to associate various elements to do with service delivery (hospitals, clinics, police stations, etc) with them. If somebody could confirm that they are, in fact, absent (I might just be missing them) - does anybody have access to the correct geometry for these regions, or do we just add them in by hand? kind regards, -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 147, Issue 2
Stop sending emails. ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 147, Issue 2
Hi Ilette, It won't just magically stop. If you browse to this web page: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za and follow the instructions there at the bottom of the page you can unsubscribe to the mailing list. Regards On 25 June 2013 16:57, Ilette Strydom stryd...@iafrica.com wrote: Stop sending emails. __**_ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-zahttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- Gerhardus Geldenhuis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [Talk-lv] SOTM Baltics 2012 kopienas pārstāvniecība
On 06/25/2013 09:44 AM, Pēteris Brūns wrote: 2013/6/25 Rich ric...@nakts.net mailto:ric...@nakts.net On 06/24/2013 07:02 PM, pec...@gmail.com mailto:pec...@gmail.com wrote: Labdien! Vai kāds plāno braukt uz Tartu augusta sākumā? Diemžēl man tieši tajā laikā ir GUADEC Čehijā. Es tajā aptaujā balsoju par citiem datumiem :) Būtu labi kaut vai no dibināt kontaktus. tajos datumos ir labadaba... Man arī. Taisam SOTM Labadaba? o. mini mapping party buus kaareize. es ratniekos esmu dazhus maaju numurus pielicis, gaajeeju celinjus pastaigaajis un taa, bet tur var veel sho to apkaimee saziimeet ;) kas ir tie 3 .lv daliibnieki ? :) Es nē. Lai sokas, Pēteris Krišjānis. -- Rich -- pb -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-lv] veloceliņi
Vai mēs tagad tā veloceliņus tagojam? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/168320135 bicycle: designated foot: designated highway: footway ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-cz] osm, metro, github
Zdravím dovolil bych si upozornit na drobný blogpost o tom, jak Github umožňuje zobrazovat mapy, zkusil jsem vysosat z OSM stanice metra (za kritiku SQL budu vděčný, nikdy jsem to moc nedělal), docela hezky to chodí, možná by se to mohlo někomu hodit http://les-ejk.cz/2013/06/github-pro-vase-geodata-nova-platforma-pro-open-data/ Jáchym -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] osm, metro, github
Kruci, nelze než souhlasit s poslední větou v článku - nikdy nebylo publikování map snažší. Moc pěkný demo. Teď přijde moje možná trošku lamí otázka - když jsem schopen vymyslet nějaký SQL dotaz - kam ho mám vložit, aby mi to něco z OSM vyplyvlo. Věřím, že bude nějaký rozhraní, ale když jsem kdysi pátral, tak jsem vypátral jen možnosti stažení dat pomocí API a tam snad SQL nešlo dostat nijak. Druhá otázka, ty funkce ST_... - ty neznám, to je nějaký zvláštní soubor funkcí nebo nějaký speciální dialog? Díky, J. 2013/6/26 Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.com Zdravím dovolil bych si upozornit na drobný blogpost o tom, jak Github umožňuje zobrazovat mapy, zkusil jsem vysosat z OSM stanice metra (za kritiku SQL budu vděčný, nikdy jsem to moc nedělal), docela hezky to chodí, možná by se to mohlo někomu hodit http://les-ejk.cz/2013/06/github-pro-vase-geodata-nova-platforma-pro-open-data/ Jáchym -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz -- S pozdravem, Jirka Sedláček --- jirisedla...@gmail.com ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] osm, metro, github
Hezke, Jachyme. Diky za info. Dne 26.6.2013 00:25, Jachym Cepicky napsal(a): Zdravím dovolil bych si upozornit na drobný blogpost o tom, jak Github umožňuje zobrazovat mapy, zkusil jsem vysosat z OSM stanice metra (za kritiku SQL budu vděčný, nikdy jsem to moc nedělal), docela hezky to chodí, možná by se to mohlo někomu hodit http://les-ejk.cz/2013/06/github-pro-vase-geodata-nova-platforma-pro-open-data/ Jáchym ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] osm, metro, github
Je to pěkné, ale nejsou zobrazeny všechny stanice na trasách Pražák Dne 26. června 2013 0:25 Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepi...@gmail.comnapsal(a): Zdravím dovolil bych si upozornit na drobný blogpost o tom, jak Github umožňuje zobrazovat mapy, zkusil jsem vysosat z OSM stanice metra (za kritiku SQL budu vděčný, nikdy jsem to moc nedělal), docela hezky to chodí, možná by se to mohlo někomu hodit http://les-ejk.cz/2013/06/github-pro-vase-geodata-nova-platforma-pro-open-data/ Jáchym -- Jachym Cepicky Help Service - Remote Sensing s.r.o. jachym.cepi...@gmail.com HS-RS: jac...@hsrs.cz http://bnhelp.cz http://les-ejk.cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet adresses
cquest wrote addr:housenumber=? quelle drôle d'idée... Quand on ne connait pas une valeur, on ne la renseigne pas. fixme=missing addr:housenumber me semble nettement plus adapté... Tout simplement parce que l'adresse existe et que addr:housenumber est la clé qui permet de faire la requête pour l'ensemble des point d'adresses (et pas fixme). Dans une base de données, on peut très bien avoir des champs avec une mention Non Connu. Ça veut pas dire qu'elle n'existe pas mais plutôt qu'elle existe et qu'on ne la connait pas (pour le moment). En géographie (et en stat aussi), il y a une grande différence entre ça n'existe pas et on ne la connait pas. Ne pas mettre l'info voudrait dire on a été sur place et il n'y a pas d'adresse à cet endroit. Or, ici, c'est plutôt on a été sur place, on sait qu'il y a une adresse mais on ne l'a pas vu et on la cherchera en croisant d'autres informations. Ça peut aussi être utile pour les collectivités afin qu'elles sachent qu'il y a un problème à cet endroit : soit la plaque d'adresse n'a pas été distribuée, soit on a oublié de numéroter la rue. Sinon, voici les champs que l'on a renseigné : addr:housenumber addr:street addr:flats (le nombre de logements) addr:place (si l'habitation se trouve dans un lotissement ou dans une résidence) fixeme (quand on a addr:housenumber=?) source=survey 2013 (on le basculera en Mairie d'Orange 2013 quand on aura fini de vérifier les adresses) level (on a eu de cas d'un lotissement de maisons individuelles sur 2 étages avec un logement par étage) On en profite pour qualifier les bâtiments avec : building=house, apartment, construction, garage, garages, ... building:levels abandoned:building=yes (s'il y a lieu) A ce jour, on a qualifié 7997 adresses sur le terrain (l'IGN en a 9705). -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Projet-adresses-tp5765218p5766816.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nom d'un pont canal
Le 24 juin 2013 à 23:32, Claude claude.mar...@gmail.com a écrit : Pour un pont canal, je pense qu'il faut faire de même name=nom de la voie d'eau mais quelle clé utiliser pour nommer le pont? Dans le wiki, il y a une proposition : bridge_name = J'ai trouvé vers chez moi un pont avec bridge:name = Pont de Brogny cf. Chemin : Route de la Roche (99837057) Ce script overpass turbo affiche les pont en vert, ceux avec les tags de nom de pont en bleu ou en rouge. Je l'ai essayé à plusieurs endroit, il semble qu'utiliser name pour le nom du pont soit majoritaire (même si j'ai trouvé une cinquantaine de bridge:name dans ma région) Utiliser name sur le chemin du pont et utiliser la relation pour la rue me parait effectivement une meilleure solution. -- Yves PS: J'ai eu l'impression qu'il était rendu sur les fonds de plan OpenRiverBoatMap, OpenCycleMap landscape. Mais je ne les vois plus. Christian tu as modifié ton algo ? ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
