Re: [OSM-talk] No attribution on osm.org?
On 3/9/2012 10:42 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: We have always taken the position that the attribution is implicit when you're visiting the web site - it's blatantly obvious that you're looking at the OpenStreetMap data. I think the OSM site should set a clear example for correct usage, rather than implying it. How hard is it to do? 10 minutes? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] No attribution on osm.org?
On 3/9/2012 1:59 PM, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: I fiddled around with the code and it's no problem to just add it, but I'm hesitant to submit a patch if the majority doesn't agree. I can't imagine why the majority wouldn't agree on improving attribution. Tom Hughes asked for a patch so just send it to him... Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data
On 1/16/2012 12:11 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Mon, 2012-01-16 at 13:03 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: In my perception legal-talk is not meant to be a ghetto but it is an attempt to sort things thematically to keep talk readable (i.e. reduce traffic) also for those that don't want to discuss continuously on legal issues. Please respect that these people exist (numerously), and discuss license issues in legal talk. I can confirm that at least one of us exists. I exist too. I hope for more aggressive moderation of OSM-talk in the future. Either that or just hurry up and get the license change over and done with. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] USPS Address Database
Anthony wrote: (*) Incidentally, if you'd like to buy a copy of the database and give it to me, I'd be willing to be the guinea pig who redistributes it, or Buying the database and giving it to you is probably against the terms of the license, possibly leaving that person open to being a guinea pig also. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage
Toby Murray wrote: Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful? It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally held community consensus. I initially thought that the wholesale nuking of all his contributions was a little drastic. But his continued anti-community behavior has convinced me that it was indeed the correct course of action. There is no room for such selfishness in a community based project. I agree. I cannot believe all the troll feeding. The admins have banned him and don't want to bother engaging in a discussion with someone whose only aim appears to be repeatedly trying to derail the project. I think we should do the same. Too bad he wasn't banned from the lists as well. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. Andy pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER edited map updated with Toby's suggestion
Sorry, the village of Summerhaven, which I totally reworked in Sep 2009 is still shown in red: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=12lat=32.438lon=-110.75635layers=B Andy Antony Pegg wrote: All, sorry I didnt write this sooner Last week we updated the TIGER edited map to include the logic suggested by Toby for checking the number of versions. Many thanks to Gravitystorm for the changes and ArtemP for the installation Please let us know if that's helped improve what you were expecting to see Thanks Ant ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports
Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-12-15 10:04, Ian Dees wrote: Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B Do you know what the criteria are for red vs. green? Unless this came from a very old dataset (2009), I believe it's wrong. I see _way_ too much red in places where I've done a lot of work. There was a village that was so messed up in TIGER I ripped it all out and redid it from my GPS traces in September 2009. I can clearly recognize my many hours of work, and this map shows it all in red. So I don't think it can be trusted for deciding on where to import. Sorry. http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] TIGER 2010 Imports
Andrew Ayre wrote: Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-12-15 10:04, Ian Dees wrote: Look at the TIGER edited map. There is *lots* of untouched TIGER data in OSM: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B Do you know what the criteria are for red vs. green? Unless this came from a very old dataset (2009), I believe it's wrong. I see _way_ too much red in places where I've done a lot of work. There was a village that was so messed up in TIGER I ripped it all out and redid it from my GPS traces in September 2009. I can clearly recognize my many hours of work, and this map shows it all in red. So I don't think it can be trusted for deciding on where to import. Sorry. http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=9lat=40.07546lon=-76.32layers=B Sorry, wrong link. Here is the right one: http://open.mapquestapi.com/tigerviewer/index.html?zoom=15lat=32.44121lon=-110.75789layers=B -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Felix Hartmann extremecar...@googlemail.com mailto:extremecar...@googlemail.com wrote: This means we have to find a new domain, new servers, and get the usernames/passwords copied so people can login to the CCBYSA 2.0 fork without new registration. If you must fork, fork the data (planet.osm), not the user data. I disagree with having my credentials being carried over to a separate project that I would not want to be involved in. When I signed up for an account with OSM I didn't realize that my account information was going into a database that was also CCBYSA. Although I accept that this probably was stated somewhere, I would prefer to not have my login information copied. Let me choose to create an account if I want to. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app
Sadly flash won't work on the iPad. So it would likely to have to be an iPad specific app in Objective-C (shudder). And then a Flash version for all the other platforms. Andy Graham Jones wrote: Maybe a neater alternative would be to make Potlatch respond to touch screen events and access the location - then it will work when linux based clones of the ipad appear too? It should be possible to grab the touch screen events (you can in javascript anyway) - not sure if there are issues with getting the location using Flash? GJ -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Legal discussion on talk@
Alan Mintz wrote: At 2010-08-13 14:09, Frederik Ramm wrote: Liz wrote: If a poster wishes to spread a message more widely to the community, they should be quite free to do so. That's the thinking that killed any worthwhile Usenet groups once the internet became available to everyone, sadly destroying a (mostly-) well-behaved system. If I wanted to hear and participate in endless discussion about licensing issues, I would subscribe to legal. Like others I made up my mind about the license change a long time ago, when it was first discussed. I was subscribed to legal for a long time as well. I guess the people posting about this think they are making killer arguments and everyone on the list is waiting with baited breath, but I delete them because I think they are endless arguments between a small group of people who will never be convinced of other people's viewpoints anyway. I support SteveC in enforcing the categorizing of the mailing lists. Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] You have killed accessibility!
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:20:55 Lulu-Ann wrote: You are inhibiting our blind contributors to stay with us!!! We're also inhibiting the spammers, who are a nuisance just right now. User block didn't work, and IP block didn't work, so the wiki admins were forced to implement captchas. There are captcha options with an audio version, such as reCaptcha: http://www.google.com/recaptcha Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Post code areas
John Smith wrote: On 2 April 2010 03:59, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Do we really want to import these kinds of administrative boundaries? If a regular old mapper can't go out with a GPS and verify that a border actually exists, does this sort of data belong in OSM? How many admin boundaries, except country boundaries, can be actually verified with a GPS? Unless the boundary follows a geographical feature, such as a river, these boundaries exist only on paper Even country boundaries can be problematic, for example the land border between Ireland and the UK. I don't believe it is fully marked on the ground. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mathematic genius needed
How about converting to UTM then using a zoom level specified as meters per pixel? Here is what I did when printing from Mapnik: http://www.britishideas.com/2009/09/22/map-scales-and-printing-with-mapnik/ Andy Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: Hi all Maybe that one is easy for someone out there, for me it's unsolvable. I have minlat, minlon, maxlat, maxlon That describes an area in WGS84 The area should be placed on the screen. To place it on the screen, I need the centerlat,centerlng and the zoomlevel. To be shorter on that: Given: wgs84: minlat, minlon, maxlat, maxlon screen: width, height Needed: lat,lng, center - Hint: At first you maybe think centerLat = (minlat + matlat)/2; centerLng = (minlng + matlng)/2; could be the solution. But that does not give the correct result. The center must be the center in screen coordinates. Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Incorporation
I believe that California will charge $800 per year income tax for for-profit corporations even if you make a loss or no profit... A large number of Corporations in the US are incorporated in Delaware because my understanding is that they are very friendly towards businesses and easy to deal with. Andy Serge Wroclawski wrote: There are two major candidates for incorporation at the moment. The first is California, with the possible help of an attorney that works with OSM International. Unfortunately this has been difficult as the attorney is quite busy at the moment, and so asking him to do more pro-bono work may be difficult going forward. As discussed, we can incorporate as a corporate entity, get our EIN, and then work on the non-profit part- part of which will be the mission statement and other documents we're working on at the same time. -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Incorporation
I took Serge saying: As discussed, we can incorporate as a corporate entity, get our EIN, and then work on the non-profit part to mean something different to what you just described. Sorry... Andy Kate Chapman wrote: Since we are going to incorporate as a non-profit the benefits of incorporating in Delaware aren't as great as they would be if we were a for profit business. Our intention is to apply for tax exempt status both federally and in the state or district that we do incorporate in. Thanks, Kate On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Peter Batty peter.ba...@gmail.com mailto:peter.ba...@gmail.com wrote: As I've mentioned before, every lawyer I have ever talked to about this has told me to incorporate in Delaware. My current company Spatial Networking is based in Colorado but incorporated in Delaware through a registered agent - you can find lots of these via Google. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com mailto:a...@britishideas.com wrote: I believe that California will charge $800 per year income tax for for-profit corporations even if you make a loss or no profit... A large number of Corporations in the US are incorporated in Delaware because my understanding is that they are very friendly towards businesses and easy to deal with. Andy Serge Wroclawski wrote: There are two major candidates for incorporation at the moment. The first is California, with the possible help of an attorney that works with OSM International. Unfortunately this has been difficult as the attorney is quite busy at the moment, and so asking him to do more pro-bono work may be difficult going forward. As discussed, we can incorporate as a corporate entity, get our EIN, and then work on the non-profit part- part of which will be the mission statement and other documents we're working on at the same time. -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Peter Batty - President, Spatial Networking W: +1 303 339 0957 M: +1 720 346 3954 Blog: http://geothought.blogspot.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] UserActivity / Vandalism etc.
#! is called a shebang and allows you to run a script without having to specify which program runs it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) Your wiki page shows that you specify perl on the command line, so the shebang isn't needed if the shell can find perl, but it's typical to add it to scripts. The location of perl can vary. Use 'which perl' to find yours. Hope that helps. Andy Gary68 wrote: hi martin, thanks for the feedback. 1.) this #! thing doesn't work for me... i added it to the script nevertheless. 2.) bzip2. you are right. i just didn't run it with a zipped file so i didn't notice. 3.) yeah, yeah. you know how it is. i expanded the usage string a bit. the wiki page told a bit more... new version committed to svn. n8. cheers gerhard gary68 -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Vote for Google to liberate their aerial imagery - *please help*
Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 14:49 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Google has a really enlightened guy called the Data Liberation Front. His role is to make it easy for people to get their data out of Google - rather than it being locked in. Notice that signing online petitions to encourage change is roughly as effective as urinating windward to stay dry. Consider starting a paper letter campaign so it costs them time and money dealing with it instead. You know what most people think when they're the target of an online petition? LOL! *baleeted* Didn't an online petition just work with the British PM regarding Alan Turing? I signed the Google one - took me less than a minute so I didn't have much to lose by trying. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots
Shaun McDonald wrote: On 24 Aug 2009, at 09:35, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: Hi Alexander, Nice to see it popular, however... a few of us like to use a twitter search for openstreetmap to see what humans are saying but recently pretty much all of the tweets we receive for this search are from these bots. Would it be possible to reduce the level of spam - one example could be for the bots to use the shorturl (osm.org) or other short url service instead of the full openstreetmap.org url? +1 My current search is openstreetmap OR #osm, and it is really annoying to see all these uninsteresting twitters. There currently isn't a shortlink for the browse pages. Instead you'll need to use a third party service. Personally I wouldn't want every edit in an area, just a daily or hourly summary of the number of changes. Alexander - I think if you urlencode a URL before passing it to twitter, twitter will automatically shorten it using the bit.ly service. Might be something to look into. Then neither openstreetmap.org or osm.org will be used for the URLs. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Stream in a tunnel
This way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39456905 is marked as layer = -1, tunnel = yes, waterway = stream. I was expecting it to be rendered by Mapnik as a dashed line and paler to indicate it was underground, but I don't see that. Any ideas why? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots
Alexander Klink wrote: Hi everyone, This weekend, I hacked together a quick twitter bot, which now tweets all changesets in a certain are (in my case, Darmstadt, Germany) - see http://twitter.com/osm_darmstadt I've found it quite useful thus far, on the one hand I write better changeset comments, because I know they will be on Twitter, on the other hand, I see what happens in my community. If you want to run a similar bot, you can find the source at http://git.alech.de/?p=osm_twitter_bots.git Alternatively, I can add a bit of code to run more than one bot at a time and run a few of them for you (until I hit the Twitter API limits), I'd only need a name and a bounding box for that. I've set up two for the areas I am interested in: http://twitter.com/osmtucson http://twitter.com/osmeastriding I'll add links to these on the wiki pages for these areas. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
If I draw an outline for a freestanding building which is some kind of business, then I give the outline a name. Mapnik renders the name. If I draw the outline of a strip mall (a connected string of shops) this represents several businesses together. If I then put nodes on them and give the nodes names Mapnik won't render the names unless they are amenities. But not all businesses are amenities. So when handling strip malls should the outline of each business unit be drawn separately? Or should I just ignore the fact that the names of many businesses won't appear on the map? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Andrew Ayrea...@britishideas.com wrote: If I draw an outline for a freestanding building which is some kind of business, then I give the outline a name. Mapnik renders the name. If I draw the outline of a strip mall (a connected string of shops) this represents several businesses together. If I then put nodes on them and give the nodes names Mapnik won't render the names unless they are amenities. But not all businesses are amenities. So when handling strip malls should the outline of each business unit be drawn separately? Or should I just ignore the fact that the names of many businesses won't appear on the map? IMHO, you should map whatever is on the ground. Mapping the outline of business units is not a bad idea - perhaps you should check out the following proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Buildings As for ignoring the fact that the names of many businesses won't appear on the map, yes, you should ignore this - don't tag for the renderer. Thanks. It's not tagging for the renderer, it's using the renderer to give me a hint that I might be doing things wrong. However, if business names don't appear on the online maps which most people will use, I'm not sure how good an investment of my time it is to go around photographing buildings and adding the names. I want what I do to benefit the most people. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken
Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:58 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: As Shaun mentioned in another email, this seems to be another instance of nodes missing from the minutely diffs. This is a known issue but I'm not sure if we have a trac ticket for it. I have put more details into the trac ticket. Jon Is there a history of when full imports where made listed somewhere, or is it on a predictable schedule? There is no log of the full imports. They generally happen every few weeks on a Thursday or Friday. I'm wondering if some other things I've seen are the same problem or something else. Thanks Jon. I'll wait until the next full import to see if the other issues I have are still there. In either case do you want the details? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken
Jon Burgess wrote: 2009/7/31 Marc Schütz schue...@gmx.net: Wrong, osm2pgsql does process relations properly. If they aren't then Jon Burgess is happy to take a look to see if he can fix the problem with osm2pgsql. Second there has been no planet reload for a few weeks now. There's definitely something wrong here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.93906lon=10.9213zoom=17layers=B000FTF The building called Angewandte Informatik is a multipolygon, which has been moved one and a half weeks ago. Both the old and the new shape are rendered now, and the hole is filled too. I know that there have been problems with multipolygons and diffs. Are they supposed to be fixed? Please file a trac ticket with the details and assign it to me. Lots of issues have been fixed but there are still several possible reasons why things some times don't work correctly. It takes time to analyse, diagnose fix each example. Done. See: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2118 I add add tickets for the other two issues I referred to later today. Thanks! Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken
Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 09:36 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: Done. See: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2118 I add add tickets for the other two issues I referred to later today. Thanks! As Shaun mentioned in another email, this seems to be another instance of nodes missing from the minutely diffs. This is a known issue but I'm not sure if we have a trac ticket for it. I have put more details into the trac ticket. Jon Is there a history of when full imports where made listed somewhere, or is it on a predictable schedule? I'm wondering if some other things I've seen are the same problem or something else. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken
Jon Burgess wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 09:36 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: Done. See: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2118 I add add tickets for the other two issues I referred to later today. Thanks! As Shaun mentioned in another email, this seems to be another instance of nodes missing from the minutely diffs. This is a known issue but I'm not sure if we have a trac ticket for it. I have put more details into the trac ticket. Jon Jon, Thanks for the details added to the ticket. I think if the OSM API was improved so it could accept large changesets faster then that would greatly help out the people who are trying to add large amounts of data. So far I haven't see a fast and reliable method. Perhaps people can apply for access to a second API for large changesets only? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken
Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/07/09 23:55, Andrew Ayre wrote: I think if the OSM API was improved so it could accept large changesets faster then that would greatly help out the people who are trying to add large amounts of data. So far I haven't see a fast and reliable method. Excuse me a minute while I find my magic wand... [ time passes ] ...found it! fx: waves wand There you go, changeset processing is now 100 times faster. Perhaps people can apply for access to a second API for large changesets only? How exactly is that supposed to help? Will this API have access to some magic accelerator technology that the current API doesn't use? It would help because people could upload large data sets as fast as they can prepare them, then tweak any problems quickly and efficiently. I was perhaps thinking of a dedicated machine/bandwidth for large uploads. But then I don't know what the bottleneck is in the current system. Is it users, bandwidth, processing power, something else or a combination? A couple of weeks ago JOSM told me it would take 15 hours to upload a 5Mb OSM file. It seems a bit better recently though. Anyway, just throwing out ideas borne of frustration. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Reverting Node Move
Hi, I select a way with approx 2,000 nodes and move it in JOSM. I then commit the change. This creates v2 of the nodes but the way is still v1. How do I revert this changeset? It seems Potlatch can only revert ways? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Something Might be Broken
Take a look at this boundary where a forest and national park meet: http://osm.org/go/TwUljNo-- Notice that the boundaries don't line up. This is because the national park is in slightly the wrong place. The national park is this changeset uploaded yesterday: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1980439 Today I moved the national park into the correct position. The changeset was closed at 31 Jul 00:09: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1989864 I then marked the tile you are looking at as dirty. It was apparently rendered by Mapnik on 31 Jul 03:21: http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/12/772/1608.png/status As you can see the data from my new changeset has not been used. On 31 Jul 01:33 I added a new changeset with some trails: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1990063 This was rendered with trails at 31 Jul 03:13: http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/1567/3318.png/status If data I uploaded at 01:33 was rendered at 3:13, how come data I uploaded at 00:09 has not been rendered at the time of writing this? (03:21)? One clue might be that the trails are new data but the movement of nodes was not. Also JOSM gave me an error of unexpected end of file when the changeset was closing, but the changeset is listed in my edits as being closed anyway. It also has all 23573 nodes. I have cleared my browser cache and tried two browsers. I have two other examples of different data/changesets that I just cannot get Mapnik to render it. In both cases some of the data is rendered. One of those I've asked for help on here and the Mapnik list with no solution. I've tried everything I can think of. I don't know what the Osmarender update speed is or how to mark tiles as dirty or find out when they were rendered, so I am unsure if Osmarender tiles can be directly compared. Any help is greatly appreciated, otherwise I am losing confidence. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-us] To Do Lists
I would like to compile a To Do list for the wiki to encourage people in my city to help. I've created a template page so far for the city. I've seen the wiki page on fixing the Tiger data, but there is much more to do than just that. Has anyone created a complete list of everything needed to be done for a US city, that I can copy? I can compile a list myself but if someone else has already done it then there is no need to reinvent the wheel, etc. I also want to be thorough. thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Relations
Christiaan Welvaart wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2009, Karl Guggisberg wrote: Is this the expected behaviour? Is there a problem perhaps with that particular way? I think it isn't. I today applied the patch from the provider of the sort feature, but sorting of relations is still under development. We had tickets about *adding* members because of sorting, see http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/3047 *Removing* members is not what I'd expect sorting to do, either. Could you file a trac ticket on http://josm.openstreetmap.org ? A fix for this issue is in ticket http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/3102 Note that I wrote this sort function for polygons, e.g. simple boundaries and routes without loops. A relation that contains a closed way looks more like a multipolygon. Sorting didn't seem to help so I've changed it to a multipolygon. Hopefully the relation will now render correctly. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Problem With Relations
Hi, I have a problem with many of the recent relations I've created in JOSM. In the past I didn't have a problem. Here is an example: http://osm.org/go/TwDfQSF?layers=0B00FTF This shows a single way in a relation that is supposed to be a closed loop of several ways. Only the first way has been rendered and the renderer assumed the end of the way connected back to the beginning. Here is the relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/175519 This is how I created the relation: - Selected all the ways - Created a new relation - Added selected ways to relation - Split ways larger than 2000 nodes into smaller ways One thing that strunk we was that in recent versions of JOSM it no longer shows anything in the linked column. It also doesn't appear possible to edit this column. The validator may have warned of duplicate nodes which I fixed before uploading the data. Perhaps they were needed? If so how do I add them back in? Any ideas on how I can fix this? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Relations
I just downloaded the latest version and the sort button is always disabled. How do I enable it? Also the linked column now has some cryptic entries. What do they mean and how do I change them, if needed? Andy Apollinaris Schoell wrote: new josm versions have a sort button. it worked pretty well for me to get all members sorted On Jul 25, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Ayre wrote: Hi, I have a problem with many of the recent relations I've created in JOSM. In the past I didn't have a problem. Here is an example: http://osm.org/go/TwDfQSF?layers=0B00FTF This shows a single way in a relation that is supposed to be a closed loop of several ways. Only the first way has been rendered and the renderer assumed the end of the way connected back to the beginning. Here is the relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/175519 This is how I created the relation: - Selected all the ways - Created a new relation - Added selected ways to relation - Split ways larger than 2000 nodes into smaller ways One thing that strunk we was that in recent versions of JOSM it no longer shows anything in the linked column. It also doesn't appear possible to edit this column. The validator may have warned of duplicate nodes which I fixed before uploading the data. Perhaps they were needed? If so how do I add them back in? Any ideas on how I can fix this? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Relations
Thanks Frederik, I gave it a try. My relation has 11 members. When I select all of them and sort JOSM removes one of the closed ways from the relation. If I then select the closed way, edit the relation and try to add it, it won't. I've uploaded my sorted relation (now with 10 members). Is this the expected behaviour? Is there a problem perhaps with that particular way? It is this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37858230 Andy Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Andrew Ayre wrote: I just downloaded the latest version and the sort button is always disabled. How do I enable it? The sort button was disabled due to a bug in r1822 and re-enabled only in r1828 and the change was due to be included in josm-latest tonight. I've given it a nudge and if you get josm-latest *now* then you should have a working sort button. But be warned, the relation editor is under heavy development so you might see other funny things ;-) Bye Frederik -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Trails
Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Andrew Ayrea...@britishideas.com wrote: I have uploaded two sets of trails on two different days. The first set have rendered, but the second set hasn't. I'm stumped as to why. I'll give examples of a single trail from each set. This one works: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37637417 Couple of things - your uuid isn't actually unique per-object, so you could probably call it an upload_id or similar. Both that and the attribution would be better off on the changeset, not every single uploaded way, since as soon as anyone tweaks the trails (adding more squiggles and whatnot) neither of them are appropriate any longer (they only have context on the specific version you uploaded). Thanks for the hints. How do I add tags to changesets in JOSM and then later search for ways and nodes using them? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Problem With Trails
Thanks. I checked Osmarender layers a little while ago and they weren't there then. Glad they are now appearing. Regarding the duplicates - it must be because the bulk upload using Balrogg's upload.py sometimes fails part way through because the server closes the connection. But if it doesn't appear in the list of edits under my name then I assumed that no data was stored. The changeset shouldn't have been closed. I just double-checked: there are no dupes in my original OSM file. Andy Tyler wrote: My crude understanding is that the mapnik renderer is given minutely diffs of the tiles that have changed during a changeset. Upon the next viewing of the changed tile a new tile is rendered and displayed. Occasionally a changeset is missed by the diffs and it takes that section being changed again or a re-render of the world to catch the changes, I wouldn't worry about it check it out on t...@h (they're there) http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/slippy/?zoom=14lat=32.4719lon=-110.807layers=BF http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/slippy/?zoom=14lat=32.4719lon=-110.807layers=BF As a side note, it looks like your current import toolchain causes lots of duplicate nodes. see the maplint layer on OSM proper http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.4719lon=-110.807zoom=14layers=000BTTFT http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.4719lon=-110.807zoom=14layers=000BTTFT figuring out a way to reduce/eliminate those duplicate nodes before upload, is probably a good idea. Woo trails! -Tyler On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com mailto:a...@britishideas.com wrote: I have uploaded two sets of trails on two different days. The first set have rendered, but the second set hasn't. I'm stumped as to why. I'll give examples of a single trail from each set. This one works: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37637417 This one doesn't: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37847604 Any ideas what the difference is? Thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ...
I've been adding the national forests in Arizona, and the Wikipedia definition doesn't fit too well. There are areas here that are inside an administrative boundary called a National Forest where the trees are very sparse - 10s of meters between them. Elsewhere in the forest the trees are dense but it is a gradual transition from sparse to dense that could take 50 miles or more to travel through. I.e. the only clear boundary of the forest is the administrative boundary, not what it looks like on the ground. Andy Barnett, Phillip wrote: +1 I believe the real problem was in the original creation of the tag, landuse = forest. This should, in my opinion, have been landuse = forestry, which would then have enabled the natural = wood tag to be used at the same time, or even natural = forest Also, from Wikipedia, A forest is an area with a high density of trees Forests are differentiated from woodlands by the extent of canopy coverage: in a forest, the branches and the foliage of separate trees often meet or interlock, although there can be gaps of varying sizes within an area referred to as forest. A woodland has a more continuously open canopy, with trees spaced further apart, which allows more sunlight to penetrate to the ground between them. Cheers PHILLIP BARNETT SERVER MANAGER 200 GRAY'S INN ROAD LONDON WC1X 8XZ UNITED KINGDOM T +44 (0)20 7430 4474 F E phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk http://WWW.ITN.CO.UK P Please consider the environment. Do you really need to print this email? -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Tom Chance Sent: 20 July 2009 15:43 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Do we care if its forest or wood? Natural world mapping ... So putting to one side arguments about the inherent value of trees, British arboreal imperialism and Xybot tricks... Why do we care if something is a wood or a forest? Why do we care whether or not it's managed, and whether we all have the same sense of what managed means? Back in the good old days of stream vs river there was a clear need for maps to distinguish between them. We now have a nice range of water features from riverbank and river to stream and drain. Surely the basic, universal need is there are some trees here, they're called Sherwood Forest? Evoke natural=wood (lakes and beaches also fall in between managed and unmanaged land but are marked as natural) In addition you can add in: * type=deciduous (so we can all see what sorts of trees to expect) * landuse=forestry (so we know if it's managed for commercial reasons) I'd really like to nominate someone like Nick Whitelegg as Countryside Tsar for a day, so he could work out the different basic features we need to know about in the countryside and an appropriate tagging schema. Then, as always, a combination of wiki documentation, Mapnik ti...@home rules, Xybot mischief and peer education could disseminate this sensible approach. Every time I try to map a walk up a hill I get depressed by the lack of comprehensible tags supported by renderers to get the map anywhere near as useful as Ordnance Survey. Regards, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Please Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Independent Television News Limited unless specifically stated. This email and any files attached are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@itn.co.uk Please note that to ensure regulatory compliance and for the protection of our clients and business, we may monitor and read messages sent to and from our systems. Thank You. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Problem With Trails
I have uploaded two sets of trails on two different days. The first set have rendered, but the second set hasn't. I'm stumped as to why. I'll give examples of a single trail from each set. This one works: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37637417 This one doesn't: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37847604 Any ideas what the difference is? Thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Bulk Uploading
I am converting public domain data into OSM files for bulk upload. This is data that currently is not in OSM. JOSM is a nightmare for uploading large amounts of data. I have a OSM file with 30k nodes (5Mb) and JOSM tells me it will take 15 hours... I tried bulk_upload.py and it fails with error 404 - no further information. I tried bulk_upload.php and it also failed with an error - can't remember the details now. I'm now trying the scripts at http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/. However I don't want to upload incorrect or partial data to the public server. So I tried uploading to api06.dev.openstreetmap.org and mysql.dev.openstreetmap.org. Both servers returned the following error: 500: Internal Server Error (h2Application error/h2Rails application failed to start properly) All I want is a (moderately) fast and reliable way of uploading data. I have plenty of it ready to go. Can anyone help? Do the Balrogg scripts really work? thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Data Upload
Thanks Tyler and Dave. I tried bulk_upload.py and it gave me a 404 error. I then tried the uploader here: http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/ and it complained that the OSM file was not a 0.6 OSM file. Well, I created it in the latest version of JOSM... I then tried bulk_upload.php and it gave me Fatal error: The API returned: and then blank. It's uploaded something, but who knows what? I'm now trying JOSM again - it's saying 15 hours for a 5Mb upload So, does anyone have a reliable means of uploading OSM files created in JOSM? Andy Andrew Ayre wrote: After working on a new set of data for import, is there a faster way of uploading it than with JOSM? For example I have an OSM file with 30k nodes in it. JOSM says it will take four hours. Then after an hour the connection is reset. I understand there is some overhead with changesets, etc. but 4 hours for a 5Mb file is painful. I saw a method using curl but that was for API 0.5. thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Data Upload
Hi Dave, Thanks. How would I test it without risking putting dummy data or partial data on the public server? I've tried to use another upload script with api06.dev.openstreetmap.org and mysql.dev.openstreetmap.org but they don't appear to be functional (server error 500). Andy Dave Hansen wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 20:07 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: I tried bulk_upload.py and it gave me a 404 error. I've used this in the past: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bulk_upload.pl Evidently it hasn't been updated to 0.6 yet. But, honestly, that shouldn't be *that* hard to do. -- Dave -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Data Upload
After working on a new set of data for import, is there a faster way of uploading it than with JOSM? For example I have an OSM file with 30k nodes in it. JOSM says it will take four hours. Then after an hour the connection is reset. I understand there is some overhead with changesets, etc. but 4 hours for a 5Mb file is painful. I saw a method using curl but that was for API 0.5. thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] US Forest Service Wilderness Areas
Hi, I am nearly finished with import of region 3 of the US Forest Service. Thanks to everyone that gave me help, especially Tyler. Next I am importing the region 3 wilderness areas. These are part of the US National Forests, but they are areas where there should be no evidence of human activity. Is there already a consensus on the tags that should be used for these areas? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Forest Service Wilderness Areas
The other question I have is: region 2 wilderness areas consist of 72 closed ways spread over two states. Should they all be put into a single boundary relation, should they each have their own boundary relation, or should I not use boundary relations at all? Andy Andrew Ayre wrote: Hi, I am nearly finished with import of region 3 of the US Forest Service. Thanks to everyone that gave me help, especially Tyler. Next I am importing the region 3 wilderness areas. These are part of the US National Forests, but they are areas where there should be no evidence of human activity. Is there already a consensus on the tags that should be used for these areas? Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Frustrated
Update: When I go to the live slippy map and look at the piece that was deleted I see someone added a boundary relation. So the piece is still there, but JOSM wants to remove it. Totally confused.. Andy Andrew Ayre wrote: Perhaps I am going about this the wrong way, but I am about ready to give up. rant I started uploading the forest boundaries for Arizona using JOSM. Working well so far. However I saw that I made a mistake with one of the tags. So now I started re-uploading all my data using my original OSM files to correct the tag mistake. I used my original OSM files because I cannot see a way of downloading just my data, even though I have a unique UUID tag for it all. The data covers 1000's of square miles and JOSM will only let you tediously download it in small pieces, along with vast amounts of other data that is not interesting to me. When I go to upload I am getting conflicts saying someone else has modified a primitive. I have a choice to keep mine or use theirs. There is no indication in JOSM of which node this is and seemingly no way of working out what the change is. So I blindly choose to use theirs - err on the side of caution. I go through this cycle about 20 times and start to see a pattern - someone has deleted an entire section of the national forest, even though I got this data from the US Forest Service. What?? Am I wasting my time with this? OK, so now I want to see all the changes that have been made and I try to update the current data set. Oops. JOSM won't let you do that because I haven't downloaded anything. Strange, because it will let me update single nodes and selections. However the selections have to be 50 nodes or less, which is totally useless. My dataset has maybe 1,000 nodes. OK, perhaps I can just delete that changed section from my file and upload the rest, fixing the tags for that - nope - JOSM wants to delete from the server the data I delete. That's not what I want because I'm not sure what effect that would have. So now I'm thinking that maybe I will just leave that incorrect tag in there for someone else to worry about, as this is now too much of a hassle. /rant If I am going about this the wrong way please let me know. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Frustrated
Perhaps I am going about this the wrong way, but I am about ready to give up. rant I started uploading the forest boundaries for Arizona using JOSM. Working well so far. However I saw that I made a mistake with one of the tags. So now I started re-uploading all my data using my original OSM files to correct the tag mistake. I used my original OSM files because I cannot see a way of downloading just my data, even though I have a unique UUID tag for it all. The data covers 1000's of square miles and JOSM will only let you tediously download it in small pieces, along with vast amounts of other data that is not interesting to me. When I go to upload I am getting conflicts saying someone else has modified a primitive. I have a choice to keep mine or use theirs. There is no indication in JOSM of which node this is and seemingly no way of working out what the change is. So I blindly choose to use theirs - err on the side of caution. I go through this cycle about 20 times and start to see a pattern - someone has deleted an entire section of the national forest, even though I got this data from the US Forest Service. What?? Am I wasting my time with this? OK, so now I want to see all the changes that have been made and I try to update the current data set. Oops. JOSM won't let you do that because I haven't downloaded anything. Strange, because it will let me update single nodes and selections. However the selections have to be 50 nodes or less, which is totally useless. My dataset has maybe 1,000 nodes. OK, perhaps I can just delete that changed section from my file and upload the rest, fixing the tags for that - nope - JOSM wants to delete from the server the data I delete. That's not what I want because I'm not sure what effect that would have. So now I'm thinking that maybe I will just leave that incorrect tag in there for someone else to worry about, as this is now too much of a hassle. /rant If I am going about this the wrong way please let me know. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Frustrated
OK, I'll give that a try. Except I am now in a mess with the JOSM plugins. I made the mistake of clicking on Update because the waydownloader plugin wasn't installing. validator requires JOSM 1725 waydownloader requires JOSM 1722 wmsplugin requires JOSM 1722 They won't run on the latest version 1743. They won't run on version 1720. Unfortuanately JOSM 1722 - 1727 have a critical bug and are blocked from editing data. So I am stuck again, but now with JOSM and it's plugins. Andy Tyler wrote: Hey Andy, I just checked out the area on your user history page and it looks like it's mostly you and elyk editing there (mostly you, it's possible a county/state boundary was turned into a relation). This following would be my solution as XAPI doesn't seem to be using recent data. In JOSM make sure you have the waydownloader plugin. Download a small area containing only one of your boundaries of interest. If it is part of a relation go to the relation manager and select download all members. otherwise just go to the end of that way and do a download way in the tools menu. Continue doing this with until you have all of your ways/nodes of interest. change and upload. You don't want to upload over previous data as you'll be duplicating nodes and ways which is a real mess. You can also download your changeset xml (from your edit history) and modify those files to do what you want (say delete or modify nodes). Once XAPI is consistently up and running it would be the appropriate way to do this sort of thing. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com mailto:a...@britishideas.com wrote: Update: When I go to the live slippy map and look at the piece that was deleted I see someone added a boundary relation. So the piece is still there, but JOSM wants to remove it. Totally confused.. Andy Andrew Ayre wrote: Perhaps I am going about this the wrong way, but I am about ready to give up. rant I started uploading the forest boundaries for Arizona using JOSM. Working well so far. However I saw that I made a mistake with one of the tags. So now I started re-uploading all my data using my original OSM files to correct the tag mistake. I used my original OSM files because I cannot see a way of downloading just my data, even though I have a unique UUID tag for it all. The data covers 1000's of square miles and JOSM will only let you tediously download it in small pieces, along with vast amounts of other data that is not interesting to me. When I go to upload I am getting conflicts saying someone else has modified a primitive. I have a choice to keep mine or use theirs. There is no indication in JOSM of which node this is and seemingly no way of working out what the change is. So I blindly choose to use theirs - err on the side of caution. I go through this cycle about 20 times and start to see a pattern - someone has deleted an entire section of the national forest, even though I got this data from the US Forest Service. What?? Am I wasting my time with this? OK, so now I want to see all the changes that have been made and I try to update the current data set. Oops. JOSM won't let you do that because I haven't downloaded anything. Strange, because it will let me update single nodes and selections. However the selections have to be 50 nodes or less, which is totally useless. My dataset has maybe 1,000 nodes. OK, perhaps I can just delete that changed section from my file and upload the rest, fixing the tags for that - nope - JOSM wants to delete from the server the data I delete. That's not what I want because I'm not sure what effect that would have. So now I'm thinking that maybe I will just leave that incorrect tag in there for someone else to worry about, as this is now too much of a hassle. /rant If I am going about this the wrong way please let me know. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mapping of State/county/national parks
Does boundary=national_park have nothing to do with US National Parks? I.e. it's just a park at the national level? Andy Tyler wrote: Just tagging the underlying landtypes and uses is fine (aside from most of them not being natural) but doesn't at all account for the difference between scrubland/seashore/whatever where you will be shot to death if you trespass (military installations) and that which you're free to roam around on and is designated a park. Then use the boundary key. If you way up each of the unique sections, then create a multipolygon relation out of all of the boundary ways and additional multipolygons for each of the various landuses or ground covers. Boundaries are a good solution, and are easy for the national lands set aside for recreation boundary=national_park covers them nicely (and renderers could easily decide to render them as filled green areas--standard practice). Through a quick discussion on #osm I'm going with boundary=national_park (for all parks that aren't urban parks), admin_level=whatever the operator level is, operator=whoever the operator is and ownership=whoever the owner is parsing that out to re-tag it consistently later should be relatively trivial. Thanks for the discussion Adam, -Tyler ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fixing Alignments in JOSM
Thanks for the hints Russ! Andy Russ Nelson wrote: On Jun 23, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: So I need to split the North-South way into two pieces and it intersects the East-West way in two places. Select the node where both roads are joined. Press 'g' to unglue (or Unglue Ways on the menu) You'll have two nodes in the same spot. Click and drag the node to the right, so the road on the south is aligned properly. (Unfortunately, sometimes you'll get the wrong node. If so, then move it south a bit, then move the correct node to the right. Move the east-west node back where it belongs. Click back on the north-south node to select it). Now the road on the north is misaligned. Split that way using 'p' (or Split Way on the menu). Again, unglue the node from the north and south ways using 'g'. Move the end of the north way back where it belongs. Select both nodes (they should be right on top of each other) by drawing a box around them both. Join them together using 'm' (or Merge Nodes on the menu). If you have any trouble with this procedure, just ask and I'll do a video tutorial on it. -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fixing Alignments in JOSM
I'm not sure if I can clearly explain my problem, but I'll try. The tiger street alignments are a mess in my area and I'm trying to fix them. I will come across a situation where there is a North-South way that crosses an East-West way. Thet are joined with a common node. However in reality it is a staggered junction. So I need to split the North-South way into two pieces and it intersects the East-West way in two places. I cannot figure out how to do this in JOSM. I've tried everything - splitting a way at nodes, ungluing, etc. The way always remains joined. Can someone please give me a step by step guide to fixing this alignment problem? I hope I explained it clearly enough. Thanks, Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Fixing Alignments in JOSM
Dave, That worked. Perfect! Thanks, Andy Dave Hansen wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 12:35 -0700, Andrew Ayre wrote: They are on the same level. The north-south alignment of the street was changed at an intersection. Here is a screen shot: http://files.britishideas.com/public/mapping/staggered.jpg I'd probably: 1. Take Sahuara's way and make a new node near its intersection with 5th 2. Split the way at both the new node and the existing 5th and Sahuara node, making 3 ways. 3. Delete the short way that connects the south Sahuara with 5th 4. Take the now dangling Sahuara and drag its end node over to the proper place on 5th and join the Sahuara end node with 5th. You'll end up with 2 ways where there used to be one, but that's OK. Is that what you were asking? -- Dave -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] National Atlas
Hi, I see the National Atlas has a shapefile download for Federal lands. I'm interested in getting the National forests in Arizona into OSM, but the data sets I've found so far are crude. This one has good detail IIRC. I can't find licensing information for this government site. Is all US Government data OK to use or do I need to find something explicit? Any ideas on this particular data? http://nationalatlas.gov/atlasftp.html#fedlanp Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] National Atlas
Thanks Tyler and Eric! Andy Tyler wrote: I know that for the National Park boundaries the national atlas data is much worse than park specific data. I would suspect that to be the case for national forest boundaries as well on the National Atlas. As Eric said, most government data is alright to use. I found the Forest service site for region 3 [1] and I tossed the admin boundaries and and the wilderness boundaries into Arc and compared that data with the national atlas forest boundaries data. I can confirm the national atlas data has much less detail than the FS data. The forest service data is also unambiguous in terms of copyright and is usable on OSM. But what you gain in resolution you also lose in terms of import speed. Also, check out the National Forest Service data on the wiki and add your project to it [2]. [1] http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/gis/datasets.shtml [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data Happy mapping! -Tyler ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] National Atlas
OK, I have the data in JOSM in the WGS84 projection as a GPX file. I converted the GPX layer to a data layer. I then zoomed in to one small distinct piece and selected all the nodes. Next I went to the menu and choose Forest and entered a name for this piece (Coronado National Forest). However the area wasn't shaded. Is this the right way to do it? Andy Tyler wrote: I know that for the National Park boundaries the national atlas data is much worse than park specific data. I would suspect that to be the case for national forest boundaries as well on the National Atlas. As Eric said, most government data is alright to use. I found the Forest service site for region 3 [1] and I tossed the admin boundaries and and the wilderness boundaries into Arc and compared that data with the national atlas forest boundaries data. I can confirm the national atlas data has much less detail than the FS data. The forest service data is also unambiguous in terms of copyright and is usable on OSM. But what you gain in resolution you also lose in terms of import speed. Also, check out the National Forest Service data on the wiki and add your project to it [2]. [1] http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/gis/datasets.shtml [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Forest_Service_Data Happy mapping! -Tyler ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
