date:20140910

Ik heb al enkele prive berichten uitgewisseld gehad met Johan over dit
topic en ook op het NL-forum hebben we het erover gehad. Naar aanleiding
van deze communicatie heb ik al een paar junctions verplaatst naar de
plek die de wiki beschrijft. Omdat ik zelf niet in de mogelijkheid ben om
foto's te maken van de borden, heb ik het noodgedwongen moeten houden op
het mappen van de lanes  turn:lanes.


Ik ben dus blij dat Johan bereid is om ons hierbij te helpen. Hopelijk
inspireert dit anderen om ook foto's of filmpjes te gebruiken om de
destinations in kaart te brengen.

groeten

m


2014-09-09 22:57 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday 09 September 2014 22:14:25 Johan C wrote:
  In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
  bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om afgelopen
  maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille vice
  versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
  Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 
  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details
 ,
  inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 De afritten zelf zouden er al moeten inzitten met hun naam en nummer onder
 highway=motorway_junction + ref=* + name=*. De exacte bestemmingen
 ontbreken
 inderdaad. Waar komt de junction:ref eigenlijk vandaan?

 Wel even de opmerking dat er verschil is tussen de naam van een afrit en de
 bestemming. Op deze borden
 http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Afrit-4-Oostende-A10.jpg zie je de
 naam, de blauwe borden met pijlen hebben de
 bestemming.

 Voor de rest: leef je maar uit :-)
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[OSM-talk-be] Number of POIs in OSM

Zo te zien doen we het nog niet zo slecht in België
The numbers are not too bad for Belgium

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/baditaflorin/diary/23729
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

2014-09-10 Per discussione Sander Deryckere

I've never been a big fan of the current lane tagging schema. F.e., just
try to tag the first picture on that wiki page:

destination:lanes=Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach|Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach;Graz;Wien|Graz;Wien
destination:ref:lanes=A5|A5;S1;A2|S1;A2
destination:country:lanes=CZ|CZ;SK;H;SLO;I|SK;H;SLO;I
destination:symbol:lanes=|airport|airport

Are we really trying to hang ourselves?

Anyway, that said, I'll never map anything with the :lanes extension
myself, nor will I edit any such tag, but I you're willing to go through
that painful process, I won't stop you.

(oh, and if you want cooperation for all Belgian highways, better also put
your message in English or French).

Regards,
Sander

Op 10 september 2014 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Ik heb al enkele prive berichten uitgewisseld gehad met Johan over dit
 topic en ook op het NL-forum hebben we het erover gehad. Naar aanleiding
 van deze communicatie heb ik al een paar junctions verplaatst naar de
 plek die de wiki beschrijft. Omdat ik zelf niet in de mogelijkheid ben om
 foto's te maken van de borden, heb ik het noodgedwongen moeten houden op
 het mappen van de lanes  turn:lanes.


 Ik ben dus blij dat Johan bereid is om ons hierbij te helpen. Hopelijk
 inspireert dit anderen om ook foto's of filmpjes te gebruiken om de
 destinations in kaart te brengen.

 groeten

 m


 2014-09-09 22:57 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday 09 September 2014 22:14:25 Johan C wrote:
  In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
  bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om
 afgelopen
  maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille vice
  versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
  Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 
  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details,
  inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 De afritten zelf zouden er al moeten inzitten met hun naam en nummer onder
 highway=motorway_junction + ref=* + name=*. De exacte bestemmingen
 ontbreken
 inderdaad. Waar komt de junction:ref eigenlijk vandaan?

 Wel even de opmerking dat er verschil is tussen de naam van een afrit en
 de
 bestemming. Op deze borden
 http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Afrit-4-Oostende-A10.jpg zie je de
 naam, de blauwe borden met pijlen hebben de
 bestemming.

 Voor de rest: leef je maar uit :-)
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[OSM-talk-be] Route dokter website and OSM copyright

De  Route dokter [1] van de wandelknooppunten en fietsknooppunten maakt
gebruik van een OSM kaart. Hierop ontbrak tot voor kort het OSM copyright
(blijkbaar na een wijziging in hun tileserver).
Na een mailtje eergisteren naar de website is het probleem verholpen. Het
zou nu dus moeten staan op het meldpunt, de EasyGIS kaart, en de de komende
routeplanner

Ze gebruiken hun eigen tiles, een vereenvoudiging van wat je op osm.org
ziet, bv. geen huisnummers.


--- English text 

De Route doctor of the de walking and cycling networks in Flanders uses an
OSM map. The needed copyright was missing after they switched to their own
tile server. After an email the day before yesterday, they solved the
problem. It should now be visible on the website, the EasyGIS map and the
to-be-announced routing application.

They use their own tiles, a simplified version of what you see on osm.org,
e.g. no house numbers.

groeten, regards

m

[1] http://www.routedokter.be/
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

Welcome back, Sander,

did you take a sabbatical away from OSM ? :-)

You could tag destination on the way after the junction, which is simplier,
but then you do not have the lane selection information. This information
is now available in modern, commercial routing apps. (the one in my car
e.g.)

Is there another tagging schema, that holds lane information and is simpler
?

Neither of them is very popular at the moment, though the plain destination
is ahead:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/destination/destination:lanes

regards
m


2014-09-10 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:

 I've never been a big fan of the current lane tagging schema. F.e., just
 try to tag the first picture on that wiki page:


 destination:lanes=Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach|Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach;Graz;Wien|Graz;Wien
 destination:ref:lanes=A5|A5;S1;A2|S1;A2
 destination:country:lanes=CZ|CZ;SK;H;SLO;I|SK;H;SLO;I
 destination:symbol:lanes=|airport|airport

 Are we really trying to hang ourselves?

 Anyway, that said, I'll never map anything with the :lanes extension
 myself, nor will I edit any such tag, but I you're willing to go through
 that painful process, I won't stop you.

 (oh, and if you want cooperation for all Belgian highways, better also put
 your message in English or French).

 Regards,
 Sander

 Op 10 september 2014 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Ik heb al enkele prive berichten uitgewisseld gehad met Johan over dit
 topic en ook op het NL-forum hebben we het erover gehad. Naar aanleiding
 van deze communicatie heb ik al een paar junctions verplaatst naar de
 plek die de wiki beschrijft. Omdat ik zelf niet in de mogelijkheid ben om
 foto's te maken van de borden, heb ik het noodgedwongen moeten houden op
 het mappen van de lanes  turn:lanes.


 Ik ben dus blij dat Johan bereid is om ons hierbij te helpen. Hopelijk
 inspireert dit anderen om ook foto's of filmpjes te gebruiken om de
 destinations in kaart te brengen.

 groeten

 m


 2014-09-09 22:57 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday 09 September 2014 22:14:25 Johan C wrote:
  In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
  bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om
 afgelopen
  maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille vice
  versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
  Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 
  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details
 ,
  inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 De afritten zelf zouden er al moeten inzitten met hun naam en nummer
 onder
 highway=motorway_junction + ref=* + name=*. De exacte bestemmingen
 ontbreken
 inderdaad. Waar komt de junction:ref eigenlijk vandaan?

 Wel even de opmerking dat er verschil is tussen de naam van een afrit en
 de
 bestemming. Op deze borden
 http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Afrit-4-Oostende-A10.jpg zie je de
 naam, de blauwe borden met pijlen hebben de
 bestemming.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

2014-09-10 Per discussione Sander Deryckere

Op 10 september 2014 17:45 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Welcome back, Sander,

 did you take a sabbatical away from OSM ? :-)


Sortof. Got occupied with other stuff.


 You could tag destination on the way after the junction, which is
 simplier, but then you do not have the lane selection information. This
 information is now available in modern, commercial routing apps. (the one
 in my car e.g.)

 Is there another tagging schema, that holds lane information and is
 simpler ?


No approved schema. But we just try to cram too much into one tag (with
strange separators like | and ;). I'd prefer one tag per lane that differs
from the default. The amount of text would still be about the same, but it
would be easier to read imo.


 Neither of them is very popular at the moment, though the plain
 destination is ahead:
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/destination/destination:lanes

 regards
 m


 2014-09-10 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:

 I've never been a big fan of the current lane tagging schema. F.e., just
 try to tag the first picture on that wiki page:


 destination:lanes=Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach|Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach;Graz;Wien|Graz;Wien
 destination:ref:lanes=A5|A5;S1;A2|S1;A2
 destination:country:lanes=CZ|CZ;SK;H;SLO;I|SK;H;SLO;I
 destination:symbol:lanes=|airport|airport

 Are we really trying to hang ourselves?

 Anyway, that said, I'll never map anything with the :lanes extension
 myself, nor will I edit any such tag, but I you're willing to go through
 that painful process, I won't stop you.

 (oh, and if you want cooperation for all Belgian highways, better also
 put your message in English or French).

 Regards,
 Sander

 Op 10 september 2014 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Ik heb al enkele prive berichten uitgewisseld gehad met Johan over dit
 topic en ook op het NL-forum hebben we het erover gehad. Naar aanleiding
 van deze communicatie heb ik al een paar junctions verplaatst naar de
 plek die de wiki beschrijft. Omdat ik zelf niet in de mogelijkheid ben om
 foto's te maken van de borden, heb ik het noodgedwongen moeten houden op
 het mappen van de lanes  turn:lanes.


 Ik ben dus blij dat Johan bereid is om ons hierbij te helpen. Hopelijk
 inspireert dit anderen om ook foto's of filmpjes te gebruiken om de
 destinations in kaart te brengen.

 groeten

 m


 2014-09-09 22:57 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday 09 September 2014 22:14:25 Johan C wrote:
  In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
  bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om
 afgelopen
  maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille
 vice
  versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
  Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 
  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details
 ,
  inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 De afritten zelf zouden er al moeten inzitten met hun naam en nummer
 onder
 highway=motorway_junction + ref=* + name=*. De exacte bestemmingen
 ontbreken
 inderdaad. Waar komt de junction:ref eigenlijk vandaan?

 Wel even de opmerking dat er verschil is tussen de naam van een afrit
 en de
 bestemming. Op deze borden
 http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Afrit-4-Oostende-A10.jpg zie je
 de naam, de blauwe borden met pijlen hebben de
 bestemming.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

So it's just a good editor that prevents you from using the
destination:lanes tagging schema :-)
One that allows you to set the values in an easy way and compose the
complex syntax itself. Just like the Opening Hours editor in JOSM does


On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
wrote:



 Op 10 september 2014 17:45 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Welcome back, Sander,

 did you take a sabbatical away from OSM ? :-)


 Sortof. Got occupied with other stuff.


 You could tag destination on the way after the junction, which is
 simplier, but then you do not have the lane selection information. This
 information is now available in modern, commercial routing apps. (the one
 in my car e.g.)

 Is there another tagging schema, that holds lane information and is
 simpler ?


 No approved schema. But we just try to cram too much into one tag (with
 strange separators like | and ;). I'd prefer one tag per lane that differs
 from the default. The amount of text would still be about the same, but it
 would be easier to read imo.


 Neither of them is very popular at the moment, though the plain
 destination is ahead:
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/destination/destination:lanes

 regards
 m


 2014-09-10 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:

 I've never been a big fan of the current lane tagging schema. F.e., just
 try to tag the first picture on that wiki page:


 destination:lanes=Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach|Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach;Graz;Wien|Graz;Wien
 destination:ref:lanes=A5|A5;S1;A2|S1;A2
 destination:country:lanes=CZ|CZ;SK;H;SLO;I|SK;H;SLO;I
 destination:symbol:lanes=|airport|airport

 Are we really trying to hang ourselves?

 Anyway, that said, I'll never map anything with the :lanes extension
 myself, nor will I edit any such tag, but I you're willing to go through
 that painful process, I won't stop you.

 (oh, and if you want cooperation for all Belgian highways, better also
 put your message in English or French).

 Regards,
 Sander

 Op 10 september 2014 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Ik heb al enkele prive berichten uitgewisseld gehad met Johan over dit
 topic en ook op het NL-forum hebben we het erover gehad. Naar aanleiding
 van deze communicatie heb ik al een paar junctions verplaatst naar de
 plek die de wiki beschrijft. Omdat ik zelf niet in de mogelijkheid ben om
 foto's te maken van de borden, heb ik het noodgedwongen moeten houden op
 het mappen van de lanes  turn:lanes.


 Ik ben dus blij dat Johan bereid is om ons hierbij te helpen. Hopelijk
 inspireert dit anderen om ook foto's of filmpjes te gebruiken om de
 destinations in kaart te brengen.

 groeten

 m


 2014-09-09 22:57 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday 09 September 2014 22:14:25 Johan C wrote:
  In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
  bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om
 afgelopen
  maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille
 vice
  versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
  Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 
  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details
 ,
  inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 De afritten zelf zouden er al moeten inzitten met hun naam en nummer
 onder
 highway=motorway_junction + ref=* + name=*. De exacte bestemmingen
 ontbreken
 inderdaad. Waar komt de junction:ref eigenlijk vandaan?

 Wel even de opmerking dat er verschil is tussen de naam van een afrit
 en de
 bestemming. Op deze borden
 http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Afrit-4-Oostende-A10.jpg zie je
 de naam, de blauwe borden met pijlen hebben de
 bestemming.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

2014-09-10 Per discussione Johan C

@ Ben thanks for the tips. There is indeed redundancy in junction:ref and
motorway_junction. However, it's a logical thing to map all signage info on
the way.

@ Sander, Marc  others: when you collect photos/videos on signs I can put
the data in OSM

Cheers, Johan

2014-09-10 18:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 So it's just a good editor that prevents you from using the
 destination:lanes tagging schema :-)
 One that allows you to set the values in an easy way and compose the
 complex syntax itself. Just like the Opening Hours editor in JOSM does


 On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 Op 10 september 2014 17:45 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Welcome back, Sander,

 did you take a sabbatical away from OSM ? :-)


 Sortof. Got occupied with other stuff.


 You could tag destination on the way after the junction, which is
 simplier, but then you do not have the lane selection information. This
 information is now available in modern, commercial routing apps. (the one
 in my car e.g.)

 Is there another tagging schema, that holds lane information and is
 simpler ?


 No approved schema. But we just try to cram too much into one tag (with
 strange separators like | and ;). I'd prefer one tag per lane that differs
 from the default. The amount of text would still be about the same, but it
 would be easier to read imo.


 Neither of them is very popular at the moment, though the plain
 destination is ahead:
 http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/destination/destination:lanes

 regards
 m


 2014-09-10 10:12 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:

 I've never been a big fan of the current lane tagging schema. F.e.,
 just try to tag the first picture on that wiki page:


 destination:lanes=Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach|Brno;Poysdorf;Mistelbach;Graz;Wien|Graz;Wien
 destination:ref:lanes=A5|A5;S1;A2|S1;A2
 destination:country:lanes=CZ|CZ;SK;H;SLO;I|SK;H;SLO;I
 destination:symbol:lanes=|airport|airport

 Are we really trying to hang ourselves?

 Anyway, that said, I'll never map anything with the :lanes extension
 myself, nor will I edit any such tag, but I you're willing to go through
 that painful process, I won't stop you.

 (oh, and if you want cooperation for all Belgian highways, better also
 put your message in English or French).

 Regards,
 Sander

 Op 10 september 2014 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Ik heb al enkele prive berichten uitgewisseld gehad met Johan over dit
 topic en ook op het NL-forum hebben we het erover gehad. Naar aanleiding
 van deze communicatie heb ik al een paar junctions verplaatst naar de
 plek die de wiki beschrijft. Omdat ik zelf niet in de mogelijkheid ben om
 foto's te maken van de borden, heb ik het noodgedwongen moeten houden op
 het mappen van de lanes  turn:lanes.


 Ik ben dus blij dat Johan bereid is om ons hierbij te helpen. Hopelijk
 inspireert dit anderen om ook foto's of filmpjes te gebruiken om de
 destinations in kaart te brengen.

 groeten

 m


 2014-09-09 22:57 GMT+02:00 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com:

 On Tuesday 09 September 2014 22:14:25 Johan C wrote:
  In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
  bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om
 afgelopen
  maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille
 vice
  versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
  Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 
  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details
 ,
  inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 De afritten zelf zouden er al moeten inzitten met hun naam en nummer
 onder
 highway=motorway_junction + ref=* + name=*. De exacte bestemmingen
 ontbreken
 inderdaad. Waar komt de junction:ref eigenlijk vandaan?

 Wel even de opmerking dat er verschil is tussen de naam van een afrit
 en de
 bestemming. Op deze borden
 http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Afrit-4-Oostende-A10.jpg zie je
 de naam, de blauwe borden met pijlen hebben de
 bestemming.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

2014-09-10 Per discussione André Pirard

On 2014-09-09 22:14, Johan C wrote :
 In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
 bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om
 afgelopen maand de bebording op de route
 Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille vice versa te fotograferen. Die
 wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in Nederland heb getagd gaan
 taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:
 In the Netherlands I have the highways in many places equipped
 destinations. As a passenger, I had the opportunity to be on the
 route Breda-Antwerp-Ghent-Kortrijk-Lille to photograph. Past month
 the boarding vice versa I would like the way I tagged in the
 Netherlands go tag them. That means the following:
 - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze
 op http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details,
 inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref
 - Enter destination details according to the procedure on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details,
 including entering the exit number junction with the tag: ref

 - het positioneren van de motorway_junction
 conform 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lane_assist/Examples/Motorway_exit,
 oftewel juist voor de doorgetrokken streep
 - het positioneren van de motorway_junction
 conform 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lane_assist/Examples/Motorway_exit,
 oftewel juist voor de doorgetrokken streep

 Het mooie van het toevoegen van de destinations is dat dit een stap is
 om een rijstrookassistent te krijgen in OSM. Mijn op OSM gebaaseerde
 Garmin is al in staat om de bestemmingen niet alleen weer te geven
 maar ook uit te spreken, wat erg handig is in drukke
 verkeerssituaties. Diverse andere OSM routeringsprogramma's
 ondersteunen de bestemmingen eveneens.

 Ik wil graag meehelpen om ook andere Belgische snelwegen te voorzien
 van de bestemmingen, maar op sommige Belgische snelwegen kom ik erg
 weinig tot nooit. Zouden jullie kunnen helpen door het nemen van
 foto's van de bebording cq het opnemen van ritten op de snelwegen met
 een dashcam?
 The beauty of adding destinations is that this is a step to get into
 OSM. Lane guidance My OFM gebaaseerde Garmin has been able to show
 the destinations not only weather but also to speak, which is very
 convenient in traffic situations. Various other OSM routing programs
 also support the destinations.

 I would like to also help provide the destinations, other Belgian
 motorways but some Belgian highways I get very little or never. Could
 you help by taking pictures of the signage or the inclusion of
 journeys on motorways with a dashcam?
Hi Johan,

As I understand it (1) OSM GPS routers use destination
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination=* not to compute
the routes, they can do without,  but to know what the drivers see on
the signs in order to use the same information in spoken instructions
(e. g. call a lane by its destination if possible).Similarly for
ref=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref   and  name
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name=*.

I did not understand every word you wrote, but it looks like you want
the content of the Destination signposting.  They are all here on Google
Street View https://maps.google.be/maps?.  I'm not sure you can copy
the pictures, but pictures is not what is necessary for OSM: what is
written on the road signs is legal information and cannot be copyrighted.

My survey.

On E25.
destination http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination=* is
not usedanywhere and ref=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref
is *not used* onhighway
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=motorway_link
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link.
Hence, *there is no name to use* for a GPS to call a motorway entrance.
For motorway exits, such a ref is useless but ref=*
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref is used all-right on
highway
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=motorway_junction
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction.

Shouldn't the same ref=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref as
of the motorway be used on allhighway
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=motorway_link
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link?


On other major highways.
name http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name=* is used but the
driver sees no (real) signs (plates) for it.
ref=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref is almost always
present but the road sign (e.g. N30) is sometimes missing on the ground,
which is annoying for the driver in a roundabout or at the fork to two
main directions.

I tried to contact the MET to report a few such cases, but they did not
reply.
*Does anyone know* how to signal the MET their mistakes or should we tag
for the minister?

On 2014-09-10 10:12, Sander Deryckere wrote :

[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Destination tagging on motorways

2014-09-10 Per discussione Johan C

Hi André

OSM GPS routers use destination
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination=* not to compute the
routes, they can do without,  but to know what the drivers see on the signs
in order to use the same information in spoken instructions

That's correct

I'm not sure you can copy the pictures

Google is a nice company, but they are not open. Their terms prohibit
copying contents pictures. But all it takes to get lane assistant in
Belgium is a few people who access motorways every now and then taking
pictures of the signs.

*there is no name to use* for a GPS to call a motorway entrance.

The OSM situation should reflect current signage: if there are no signs,
the destination tag should not be used

The names on the signs are for those who drive without GPS and as a
reassuring double check.

I've seen the upcoming of lane assistant somewhere in 2004. I think it's a
great feature. Every major navigation provider has it at the moment. Except
for Google, but they are going to get it, starting in the US.

Shouldn't the same ref=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref as
of the motorway be used on all highway
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=motorway_link
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link?

If the motorway link has these signs, they can be used.

Cheers, Johan



2014-09-10 23:30 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:

  On 2014-09-09 22:14, Johan C wrote :

 In Nederland heb ik de snelwegen op veel plaatsen voorzien van
 bestemmingen. Als bijrijder ben ik in de gelegenheid geweest om afgelopen
 maand de bebording op de route Breda-Antwerpen-Gent-Kortrijk-Lille vice
 versa te fotograferen. Die wil ik graag op de manier zoals ik die in
 Nederland heb getagd gaan taggen. Dat houdt het volgende in:

 In the Netherlands I have the highways in many places equipped
 destinations. As a passenger, I had the opportunity to be on the route
 Breda-Antwerp-Ghent-Kortrijk-Lille to photograph. Past month the boarding
 vice versa I would like the way I tagged in the Netherlands go tag them.
 That means the following:

  - invoeren destination details conform de werkwijze op
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details,
 inclusief het invoeren van het afritnummer met de tag junction:ref

 - Enter destination details according to the procedure on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Destination_details,
 including entering the exit number junction with the tag: ref


  - het positioneren van de motorway_junction conform
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lane_assist/Examples/Motorway_exit,
 oftewel juist voor de doorgetrokken streep

 - het positioneren van de motorway_junction conform
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Lane_assist/Examples/Motorway_exit,
 oftewel juist voor de doorgetrokken streep


  Het mooie van het toevoegen van de destinations is dat dit een stap is
 om een rijstrookassistent te krijgen in OSM. Mijn op OSM gebaaseerde Garmin
 is al in staat om de bestemmingen niet alleen weer te geven maar ook uit te
 spreken, wat erg handig is in drukke verkeerssituaties. Diverse andere OSM
 routeringsprogramma's ondersteunen de bestemmingen eveneens.

  Ik wil graag meehelpen om ook andere Belgische snelwegen te voorzien van
 de bestemmingen, maar op sommige Belgische snelwegen kom ik erg weinig tot
 nooit. Zouden jullie kunnen helpen door het nemen van foto's van de
 bebording cq het opnemen van ritten op de snelwegen met een dashcam?

 The beauty of adding destinations is that this is a step to get into OSM.
 Lane guidance My OFM gebaaseerde Garmin has been able to show the
 destinations not only weather but also to speak, which is very convenient
 in traffic situations. Various other OSM routing programs also support the
 destinations.

 I would like to also help provide the destinations, other Belgian
 motorways but some Belgian highways I get very little or never. Could you
 help by taking pictures of the signage or the inclusion of journeys on
 motorways with a dashcam?

  Hi Johan,

 As I understand it (1) OSM GPS routers use destination
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination=* not to compute the
 routes, they can do without,  but to know what the drivers see on the signs
 in order to use the same information in spoken instructions (e. g. call a
 lane by its destination if possible).Similarly for ref=*
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref   and  name
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name=*.

 I did not understand every word you wrote, but it looks like you want the
 content of the Destination signposting.  They are all here on Google
 Street View https://maps.google.be/maps?.  I'm not sure you can copy
 the pictures, but pictures is not what is necessary for OSM: what is
 written on the road signs is legal information and cannot be copyrighted.

 My survey.

 On E25.
 destination http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination=* is not
 used anywhere and

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

2014-09-10 Per discussione Ben Laenen

On Wednesday 10 September 2014 23:30:44 André Pirard wrote:
 Shouldn't the same ref=* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ref as
 of the motorway be used on allhighway
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=motorway_link
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link?

On the topic of reference numbers: slip roads have their own reference 
numbers, which I haven't seen many people map yet. There are signs for it 
(small red-white signs along the road, not on major signs), and their numbers 
are like A001.035, which would be a slip road towards or from the A1. You 
could map these with admin_ref=*.

Apart from that, a highway=motorway_link should not have a ref=* tag. The exit 
number should be on the node with the highway=motorway_junction as its ref=* 
tag.

Greetings
Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

The GPS in my car says something like take the A5 towards Brno. It always
tells the ref and one of the names on the sign. Furthermore it displays a
sign with the ref and some names. Typically more than one name, but not all
of them I think.
and it displays the number of lanes in that direction (and in the other
direction). It also shows whether a lane is shared for both directions.

So no, ref alone is not enough if you want to replace commercial systems
with OSM :-)

regards
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Destination tagging on motorways

This is a picture of a modern GPS with lane navigation and signs
http://allroadendurotouring.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GARMINzumo350LMotorcycleGPSnavigatorLaneAssistJunctionView.jpg
You could create something like that with the information as on the wiki
page.The routing app can decide which information is displayed, which is
spoken, etc. There is no reason for a mapper to limit the data just because
she thinks that it would confuse some application.

regards

m


On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 The GPS in my car says something like take the A5 towards Brno. It always
 tells the ref and one of the names on the sign. Furthermore it displays a
 sign with the ref and some names. Typically more than one name, but not all
 of them I think.
 and it displays the number of lanes in that direction (and in the other
 direction). It also shows whether a lane is shared for both directions.

 So no, ref alone is not enough if you want to replace commercial systems
 with OSM :-)

 regards
 m


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Re: [OSM-talk] tag with value lists Was: Proposed mechanical edit to convert alt_name tags

2014-09-10 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer

2014-09-09 14:39 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de:

 Isn't this sometimes going to cause issues when it comes to the number of
 characters?



this sounds like a rather hypothetical case. Do you have any real life
examples? The max length of a value in osm tags is 255 characters AFAIK.

cheers,
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[OSM-talk] OSM-FR funding campaign

On monday evening we were in Paris to celebrate OSM's 10 years.

Pictures can be seen here:
https://owncloud.openstreetmap.fr/public.php?service=galleryt=a9fc22e3f06694dd5ba3328f2250be07

We gathered more than 100 people grabbing a piece of more than 10 mostly
DIY cakes.

We also launched our first funding campaign to improve our servers to offer
better services to contributors and reusers. Our first goal of 5000 EURO is
almost reached after only 48 hours and we may double it soon ;)

Many services we're running are designed for France, but some of them have
a more broader coverage like osmose QA tools (we've added a bunch of new
countries recently see it on http://bit.ly/1AzDJIO) and the
HOT/Humanitarian tiles (world coverage).

So... if you want to donate, here is the link (in french only sorry):
http://www.helloasso.com/associations/openstreetmap-france/collectes/financement-infra-2014


OSM France is a non for profit organization run only by volunteers, as well
as all server administration.

-- 
Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France
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[OSM-talk] Fix waterway direction for the world

2014-09-10 Per discussione Peter Barth

Hi,

Just to let you know: I finally extended the waterway-challenge to the
planet. So you can now fix your favorite area world wide ;)

Have fun,
Peda

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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit to convert alt_name tags

2014-09-10 Per discussione Roland Olbricht


Hello Andrew,

First of all, thank you for discussing the issue.

Let's have a look about the numbers and distribution: For objects that 
carry a ; within their alt_name tag, we find


nodes: almost 3000
ways: almost 3000
relations: almost 400

(see http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4ZM and similar)
and in each category they are distributed all over the world.

By contrast, objects that have a key starting with the string 
alt_name_ exist


nodes: about 40 outside Western Africa
ways: about 50
rels: currently 6

(see http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4ZL and similar)
and a large number of nodes inside Western Africa.

This underpins the two theses:

1. The solution with ; is far more established than the solution with 
prefix alt_name_.


2. It is altogether a sometimes but not often used feature.

The first point means that enforcing an automated edit will embarass 
quite a lot of people or at least require a lot of personal talk. 
Altogether, it is almost for sure a no-go.


If it is really worth to you to spend some hundred hours on it, then the 
next step would be to contact all mappers that have been last editor of 
the object, the editors that have introduced the tag and all editors in 
between. They can tell you which tools may rely on this syntax.


The second point means that you have to expect a problem that often 
harms wiki proposals: It is more likely that people having time to 
discuss general topics will answer than people that have knowledge about 
the tag. Hence, whether the change will or will not cause outrage is 
quite unrelated with the response on this list (or any other 
communication channel, or even a combination of common communication 
channels).


If you don't believe this then please verify that I never have touched 
an object in question, but I do discuss in this thread.


Thus, a far more community-friendly solution than an at least 
controversal mechanical edit would be to just use the alt_name_ 
prefix. It may annoy other people, but it is then their uphill-battle to 
convince you to change your toolchain. As breaking compatibility is 
deprecated for a good reason, I would ask you to explain then why you 
have chosen this approach. This could be easily explained if their are 
objects that cannot be modeled with the semicolon approach, or if you 
have tools that won't work with the semicolon approach, preferrably for 
more profound reasons than that it is just not implemented.


Altogether I appreciate that you have seeked communication and I would 
like to ask to you to get familiar that multiple approaches to a problem 
may exist in parallel in OpenStreetMap.


Cheers,

Roland


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Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-10 Per discussione Stephan Knauss


On 09.09.2014 09:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:

It would be useful to allow switching between diff, OSM only and google
only. Currently in my area results are too confusing to be useful.


compare.osm-tools.org does focus on highlighting the missing roads and 
water features. If your area is still too confusing on the high zoom 
level then just starting to map the major highways as visible on aerial 
imageries is a good way to make the comparison map less dense.


For directly comparing the full map rendering better use a map with a 
slider design like this: http://comparemaps.drona.ro/


My idea was to be able to give you a quick overview of missing roads. 
Check out Thailand and compare to Vietnam to get the idea.

I actively decided against a slider layout.

Stephan


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Re: [talk-au] Question - names of motorways leaving Sydney

2014-09-10 Per discussione Michael Hampson


What you have suggested seems good to me Mark.

Regards,

Michael H.

On 7/09/2014 4:10 PM, Mark Pulley wrote:

When the new alphanumeric route numbers in NSW were unveiled, some of the 
motorways were renamed (e.g. Sydney-Newcastle Freeway became Pacific Motorway, 
South-Western Motorway became Hume Motorway).

In OSM these all have the new route number included in the road name (e.g. 
name=M4 Western Motorway, rather than name=Western Motorway).

The signs on these roads don’t include the route number as part of the name.

Does anyone object if I rename these roads without the route number (route 
number will remain in the ref=* tag)? Or is there a good reason for the route 
number to remain in the name tag?

Mark P.


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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets

Andreas

State of Bahia or Bahia State

The words de, da, do, das, dos, is always lower case and translate to the 
english “of”, Rua Sete de Setembro translates “Seventh of September Street”

Diacritics is complicated, the same word might be written with or without, and 
as a non-native speaking it is still difficult for me to see when and where 
they are used. Some I have managed to adopt with some certainty

Aun Johnsen

On Sep 10, 2014, at 11:15, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote:

 Hello,
 
 since I have found some friendly and helpful mappers in this mailing list, I 
 will take the chance and ask some questions.
 
 Right now, I am working on the village of Buranhém, Bahia.
 (By the way, does one say „Bahia state“ or „federal state of Bahia“ ?)
 
 There, I want to add some street names, taken from IBGE Mapa de Setores 
 Urbanos.
 
 One street, obviously the same street, has two names
 RUA SETE DE SETEMBRO and RUA 07 SETEMBRO. I prefer the first variant.
 Since I am not a native speaker of Portuguese I am not sure whether to put 
 the „de“ word in Capitals?
 Now, I wrote 
 Rua Sete de Setembro 
 is this correct?
 
 There are some other street names, which, as you know, are in Upper Case and 
 therefore I ask for assistance
 whether some letters need diacritics ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic 
 ) and which words of the names need to have an upper case first letter.
 
 RUA DOUTOR MANOEL RIBEIRO
 RUA DAJUDA
 TRAVESSA DO CEMITERIO
 TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
 RUA DAJUDA
 RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 RUA DAS FLORES
 SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL
 
 Right now, I am away but will read any answers later this night.
 
 Thanks a lot
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets


  
  
Hi Andreas,
  
  Em 10-09-2014 11:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:


  
  One street, obviously the same street, has two names
  RUA SETE DE SETEMBRO and RUA 07 SETEMBRO. I prefer the first
  variant.
  Since I am not a native speaker of Portuguese I am not sure
  whether to put the „de“ word in Capitals?
  Now, I wrote 
  Rua Sete de Setembro 
  
  is this correct?


It's correct.

For street names that contain numbers, I have been using the number
notation in the name and the full name in some other *_name tag. For
this one I would use:
name=Rua 7 de Setembro
official_name=Rua Sete de Setembro



  There are some other street names, which, as you know, are in
  Upper Case and therefore I ask for assistance
  whether some letters need diacritics ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
  ) and which words of the names need to have an upper case first
  letter.


I would write them as:

 
  RUA DOUTOR MANOEL RIBEIRO

Rua Doutor Manoel Ribeiro

 RUA
  DAJUDA

This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua
d'Ajuda. I would probably tag:
name=Rua d'Ajuda
alt_name=Rua da Ajuda


  TRAVESSA DO CEMITERIO

Travessa do Cemitério


  TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE

Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is
Travessa de Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. One option:
name=Travessa de Liberodade
fixme=Confirm name

RUA
  HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes


  PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

 RUA
  DAS FLORES

Rua das Flores


  SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL

Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't
name this. Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction



  Right now, I am away but will read any answers later this night.
  
  Thanks a lot
  Andreas
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets


  
  
Also, about accents, I wouldn't worry
  too much, it can be confusing even for a native speaker :). We
  usually find the names without accents on the streets and it
  doesn't affect searching. So, in case of doubt you can write it
  without accent.
  
  Regards,
  Roger.
  
  --
  Em 10-09-2014 11:23, Lists escreveu:


  
  Andreas
  
  
  State of Bahia or Bahia State
  
  
  The words de, da, do, das, dos, is always lower case and
translate to the english “of”, Rua Sete de Setembro translates
“Seventh of September Street”
  
  
  Diacritics is complicated, the same word might be written
with or without, and as a non-native speaking it is still
difficult for me to see when and where they are used. Some I
have managed to adopt with some certainty
  

  Aun Johnsen



  On Sep 10, 2014, at 11:15, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de
wrote:
  
  

 Hello,
  
  since I have found some friendly and helpful mappers in
  this mailing list, I will take the chance and ask some
  questions.
  
  Right now, I am working on the village of Buranhém, Bahia.
  (By the way, does one say „Bahia state“ or „federal state
  of Bahia“ ?)
  
  There, I want to add some street names, taken from IBGE
  Mapa de Setores Urbanos.
  
  One street, obviously the same street, has two names
  RUA SETE DE SETEMBRO and RUA 07 SETEMBRO. I prefer the
  first variant.
  Since I am not a native speaker of Portuguese I am not
  sure whether to put the „de“ word in Capitals?
  Now, I wrote 
  Rua Sete de Setembro 
  
  is this correct?
  
  There are some other street names, which, as you know, are
  in Upper Case and therefore I ask for assistance
  whether some letters need diacritics ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
  ) and which words of the names need to have an upper case
  first letter.
  
  RUA DOUTOR MANOEL RIBEIRO
  RUA DAJUDA
  TRAVESSA DO CEMITERIO
  TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
  RUA DAJUDA
  RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
  PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
  RUA DAS FLORES
  SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL
  
  Right now, I am away but will read any answers later this
  night.
  
  Thanks a lot
  Andreas
  
  

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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: e-SIC - Pedido Respondido

2014-09-10 Per discussione Vitor George

Oi Augusto,

Acho uma boa fazer as duas coisas ao mesmo tempo. Estou vendo como gerar
uma tarefa para cada rua no Task Manager. O ideal seria que o voluntário
corrigisse o alinhamento a partir de um layer do Geolog e também
adicionasse a numeração daquela rua.

Eu instalei o Task Manager localmente, mas ainda não sei como fazer com que
ele carregue os polígonos de numeração.

A gente tem certeza de que o Geolog está alinhado corretamente com o
sistema de referência que encontramos? Como poderíamos conferir isto?

Abraços,
Vitor

2014-09-09 14:18 GMT-03:00 Augusto Stoffel arstof...@yahoo.com.br:

 Vitor, tres observações:

 1) Vamos juntar a importação dos prédios e endereços em uma coisa só!
 Afinal, se é pra repassar uma a uma as 6 quadras da cidade, é bem
 mais produtivo fazer as duas coisas ao mesmo tempo.

 2) Sobre fazer o alinhamento correto, eu queria alertar que as imagens
 do Bing não são lá muito bem alinhadas com o mundo real, e os dados da
 prefeitura me parecem extremamente precisos.  Portanto (se minha
 impressão estiver correta), o que precisa ser realinhado é traçado de
 ruas que já existe no OSM, e não o que estará sendo importado.

 On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 13:56 -0300, Vitor George wrote:
  Oi pessoal,
 
 
  Recebemos a resposta de um novo pedido de informações para o processo
  de importação das bases da Prefeitura de São Paulo. Na primeira
  resposta eles pedem atribuição, mas não especificam como. O pessoal da
  lista imports pediu que a gente esclarecesse isto com a prefeitura e a
  prefeitura deu a resposta abaixo. Eles não responderam exatamente a
  pergunta feita, mas acho que podemos avançar com a importação
  considerando que podemos fazer uma atribuição no wiki e na página de
  copyright que atenda aos requerimentos da última resposta.
 
 
  As páginas do wiki das importações são:
 
 
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geolog_PMSP_Import
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PMAPSP_Import
 
 
  Eu comecei a fazer um script no QGIS para gerar as linhas de endereços
  a partir do GEOLOG. Quando tivermos isso, poderemos criar tarefas no
  Task Manager do HOT para ir inserindo as numerações. O processo vai
  ter que ser meio manual, rua por rua, porque é preciso fazer o
  alinhamento correto.
 
 
  Para a importação da base de rios seria bom também usar o task
  manager, mas não sei como poderíamos fragmentar o trabalho.
 
 
  Abraço,
  Vitor
 
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  From: Iana Chan iana.muts...@gmail.com
  Date: 2014-09-08 10:39 GMT-03:00
  Subject: Fwd: e-SIC - Pedido Respondido
  To: Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com, Stephanie Kim Abe
  steph.kim@gmail.com, Pamela Bassi pam.ba...@gmail.com
 
 
  Oi, pessoal!
  Tudo bem?
 
 
  Saiu a resposta do pedido em relação ao crédito da fonte para importar
  os dados para o OSM!
 
 
  Prezada Iana, é necessário explicitar para o público quais são os
  dados que possuiram origem na PMSP, bem como sua data de importação. 
 
 
  Vitor, conseguimos atender a esse detalhe?
  Temos mais alguns dias para incluir recurso, é preciso?
 
 
  beijos e boa semana para todos! :)
  Iana
 
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  From: nao-respo...@e-sic.prefeitura.sp.gov.br
  Date: 2014-09-01 13:49 GMT-03:00
  Subject: e-SIC - Pedido Respondido
  To: iana.muts...@gmail.com
 
 
 
  Sistema e-SIC
  Prezado(a) Senhor(a),
 
  Seu pedido de informação foi analisado e teve resposta na data
  01/09/2014, cujo teor segue descrito abaixo.
 
  Protocolo: 9219
  Requerente: Iana Chan
  Data de Abertura: 12/08/2014
  Prazo de atendimento: 01/09/2014
  Órgão da solicitação: SMDU - Secretaria Municipal de Desenvolvimento
  Urbano
 
  Solicitação do requerente: Olá, fiz um pedido de informação sobre a
  licença de uso de dados disponíveis no site da prefeitura - o número
  do protocolo é 8967. Vamos importar estes dados para o site
  OpenStreetMap, e para isso precisamos de um esclarecimento adicional.
  Para atender a necessidade de dar os créditos devidos precisamos saber
  se é suficiente declarar nesta página do OpenStreetMap de que há dados
  da PMSP: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution Isto é o que o
  OpenStreetMap pode oferecer em termos de crédito de fonte. Podemos
  prosseguir com a importação? Obrigada,
 
  Resposta: Prezada Iana, é necessário explicitar para o público quais
  são os dados que possuiram origem na PMSP, bem como sua data de
  importação. Atenciosamente, Weber Sutti Chefe de Gabinete SMDU -
  Secretaria Municipal de Desenvolvimento Urbano - Prefeitura de São
  Paulo Edifício Martinelli | Rua São Bento, 405 | 18º andar | Centro |
  CEP 01011-100 | São Paulo | SP T 3113.7751 | 7752 | F 3113.7758 |
  www.capital.sp.gov.br | webersu...@prefeitura.sp.gov.br FAZER JUNTOS A
  SÃO PAULO QUE A GENTE QUER. ESSE É O PLANO. |
  www.gestaourbana.prefeitura.sp.gov.br
 
  Para obter detalhes do pedido de informação registrado, acesso e-SIC
  pelo link http://e-sic.prefeitura.sp.gov.br e clique na opção do menu

Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets


  
  
Hi Andreas,
  
  Rua d'Ajuda is just a contraction of Rua da Ajuda, they are the
  same thing. As these IBGE names usually don't use diacritics, I
  think there's a good chance that a ' is missing there. But feel
  free to name as Rua Dajuda, as this is what your source is
  showing.
  
  There are some abreviations as well, you could find something like
  RUA HELIO C NUNES. In this case I would write Rua Hélio C. Nunes,
  so later I can search for streets with a dot in the name and
  survey, at least in my city... TV in the beginning would be
  Travessa, Dr is Doutor, Prof for Professor, etc...
  
  It's good that you know a lot of foreign languages, we do share a
  lot of latin roots with spanish, italian and french :)
  
  And sure, fell free to ask as much as you want. We appreciate a
  lot your help, thanks very much!
  
  Regards,
  Roger.
  
  --
  Em 10-09-2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:


  
  Hi Roger,
  
  thank you very much. Should you ever need any help with German
  language, please feel free to ask me.
  
  Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:
  
  
  
  Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Roger
C. Soares:
  
  

Hi Andreas,
  



  RUA DAJUDA

This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua
d'Ajuda. I would probably tag:
name=Rua d'Ajuda
alt_name=Rua da Ajuda
  
  
  TRAVESSA

DE LIBERODADE
Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is
Travessa de Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. (...)

  
  
  Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads "...da Liberdade" - my
  fault.
   
RUA

  HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes


  PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes


  RUA DAS FLORES

Rua das Flores


  SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL

Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't
name this. Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction

  
  I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese language
  :-)
  
  Though I never learned Portuguese, I find some words are similar
  to French or Italian.
  In school, I learned English and French. Later, when I was a coach
  driver, I learned very little Spanish and Italian when I stayed in
  that countries.
  But anyway, I assumed „SAIDA“ to be an exit and other words like
  liberdade and cemiterio were recognized :-)
  
  May I continue to ask spelling questions here?
  
  I will go on with some Brazilian villages that a not fully mapped.
  
  regards,
  Andreas
  
  
  
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets

Andreas

Another thing that comes in mind, there seems to be no defined rules when to 
use Avenida and Rua, the same road can be Avenida and Rua on the same piece, 
also in the IBGE layer it doesn’t seem to be any rules for numeric values, it 
can be Rua 15, Rua Quinze or Rua XV, and they can be mixed within a relatively 
small area. This topic have been briefly discussed previously, a good way would 
be to include the other alternatives in alt_name, though this is not been done 
to many places yet.

Aun Johnsen

On Sep 10, 2014, at 16:58, Gabriel Teixeira gabrieldiegoteixe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi Andreas,
 
 When I have doubt about the spelling of the name of the street, since in 
 Brazil we have a number of streets with German, Italian, Polish, etc. names 
 and also variations, I go to Google and search for the name of the street and 
 the city name. Frequently Google will correct the spelling and will give many 
 references as bonus. I also append lei (law) to the query so that I can 
 find the law that gave name to that street or any other law relative to that 
 street or also I can find lawsuits where one of the involved lives or works 
 in that street. Many cities have all their laws online in websites like 
 www.jusbrasil.com.br or www.leismunicipais.com.br but not all them. Another 
 good source is online phonebooks (www.guiafacil.com and www.guiamais.com.br). 
 Beware that sometimes even the laws have spelling problems (probably when the 
 law was OCR'd or retyped) so try to double/triple check anything.
 
 BTW, I tried this with using Rua d'Ajuda Buranhém as query but I found 
 nothing. Apparently there is little online about this town.
 
 Regards,
 Gabriel
 
 
 On 10 September 2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de 
 wrote:
 Hi Roger,
 
 thank you very much. Should you ever need any help with German language, 
 please feel free to ask me.
 
 Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:
 ijeicjbd.png
 
 
 Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 
 RUA DAJUDA
 This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua d'Ajuda. I 
 would probably tag:
 name=Rua d'Ajuda
 alt_name=Rua da Ajuda
 
 TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
 Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is Travessa de 
 Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. (...)
 
 
 Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads ...da Liberdade - my fault.
 
 RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes
 
 PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes
 
 RUA DAS FLORES
 Rua das Flores
 
 SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL
 Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't name this. 
 Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction
 
 I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese language :-)
 
 Though I never learned Portuguese, I find some words are similar to French or 
 Italian.
 In school, I learned English and French. Later, when I was a coach driver, I 
 learned very little Spanish and Italian when I stayed in that countries.
 But anyway, I assumed „SAIDA“ to be an exit and other words like liberdade 
 and cemiterio were recognized :-)
 
 May I continue to ask spelling questions here?
 
 I will go on with some Brazilian villages that a not fully mapped.
 
 regards,
 Andreas
 
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets

2014-09-10 Per discussione Andreas Schmidt

Thanks to all of you,

now I am working on the hamlet of Santa Luzia do Norte

There are street names like
Rua Principal
Rua das Pedras
Rua das Flores (again as in the other village)
and Rua Nova

Is this spelling correct?

regards,
Andreas

Am 10.09.2014 um 21:37 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,

 Rua d'Ajuda is just a contraction of Rua da Ajuda, they are the same
 thing. As these IBGE names usually don't use diacritics, I think
 there's a good chance that a ' is missing there. But feel free to name
 as Rua Dajuda, as this is what your source is showing.

 There are some abreviations as well, you could find something like RUA
 HELIO C NUNES. In this case I would write Rua Hélio C. Nunes, so later
 I can search for streets with a dot in the name and survey, at least
 in my city... TV in the beginning would be Travessa, Dr is Doutor,
 Prof for Professor, etc...

 It's good that you know a lot of foreign languages, we do share a lot
 of latin roots with spanish, italian and french :)

 And sure, fell free to ask as much as you want. We appreciate a lot
 your help, thanks very much!

 Regards,
 Roger.

 --
 Em 10-09-2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:
 Hi Roger,

 thank you very much. Should you ever need any help with German
 language, please feel free to ask me.

 Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:



 Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,


 RUA DAJUDA
 This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua
 d'Ajuda. I would probably tag:
 name=Rua d'Ajuda
 alt_name=Rua da Ajuda

 TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
 Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is
 Travessa de Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. (...)


 Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads ...da Liberdade - my fault.

 RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

 PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

 RUA DAS FLORES
 Rua das Flores

 SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL
 Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't
 name this. Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction

 I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese language :-)

 Though I never learned Portuguese, I find some words are similar to
 French or Italian.
 In school, I learned English and French. Later, when I was a coach
 driver, I learned very little Spanish and Italian when I stayed in
 that countries.
 But anyway, I assumed „SAIDA“ to be an exit and other words like
 liberdade and cemiterio were recognized :-)

 May I continue to ask spelling questions here?

 I will go on with some Brazilian villages that a not fully mapped.

 regards,
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets

2014-09-10 Per discussione Gabriel Teixeira

Yes they are all correct. Keep doing your excellent work!


On 10 September 2014 18:00, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de
wrote:

  Thanks to all of you,

 now I am working on the hamlet of Santa Luzia do Norte

 There are street names like
 Rua Principal
 Rua das Pedras
 Rua das Flores (again as in the other village)
 and Rua Nova

 Is this spelling correct?

 regards,
 Andreas

 Am 10.09.2014 um 21:37 schrieb Roger C. Soares:

 Hi Andreas,

 Rua d'Ajuda is just a contraction of Rua da Ajuda, they are the same
 thing. As these IBGE names usually don't use diacritics, I think there's a
 good chance that a ' is missing there. But feel free to name as Rua Dajuda,
 as this is what your source is showing.

 There are some abreviations as well, you could find something like RUA
 HELIO C NUNES. In this case I would write Rua Hélio C. Nunes, so later I
 can search for streets with a dot in the name and survey, at least in my
 city... TV in the beginning would be Travessa, Dr is Doutor, Prof for
 Professor, etc...

 It's good that you know a lot of foreign languages, we do share a lot of
 latin roots with spanish, italian and french :)

 And sure, fell free to ask as much as you want. We appreciate a lot your
 help, thanks very much!

 Regards,
 Roger.

 --
 Em 10-09-2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:

 Hi Roger,

 thank you very much. Should you ever need any help with German language,
 please feel free to ask me.

 Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:



 Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Roger C. Soares:

 Hi Andreas,


  RUA DAJUDA

 This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua d'Ajuda. I
 would probably tag:
 name=Rua d'Ajuda
 alt_name=Rua da Ajuda


 TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
 Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is Travessa
 de Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. (...)


 Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads ...da Liberdade - my fault.


 RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

 Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

  PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

 Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

  RUA DAS FLORES

 Rua das Flores

  SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL

 Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't name
 this. Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction

  I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese language :-)

 Though I never learned Portuguese, I find some words are similar to French
 or Italian.
 In school, I learned English and French. Later, when I was a coach driver,
 I learned very little Spanish and Italian when I stayed in that countries.
 But anyway, I assumed „SAIDA“ to be an exit and other words like liberdade
 and cemiterio were recognized :-)

 May I continue to ask spelling questions here?

 I will go on with some Brazilian villages that a not fully mapped.

 regards,
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets

Rua Principal (Main Road) should normally not be named (very seldom they have 
signs), and Rua Nova (New Road) is probably in a similar situation.

Aun Johnsen

On Sep 10, 2014, at 18:00, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote:

 Thanks to all of you,
 
 now I am working on the hamlet of Santa Luzia do Norte
 
 There are street names like
 Rua Principal
 Rua das Pedras
 Rua das Flores (again as in the other village)
 and Rua Nova
 
 Is this spelling correct?
 
 regards,
 Andreas
 
 Am 10.09.2014 um 21:37 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 Rua d'Ajuda is just a contraction of Rua da Ajuda, they are the same thing. 
 As these IBGE names usually don't use diacritics, I think there's a good 
 chance that a ' is missing there. But feel free to name as Rua Dajuda, as 
 this is what your source is showing.
 
 There are some abreviations as well, you could find something like RUA HELIO 
 C NUNES. In this case I would write Rua Hélio C. Nunes, so later I can 
 search for streets with a dot in the name and survey, at least in my city... 
 TV in the beginning would be Travessa, Dr is Doutor, Prof for Professor, 
 etc...
 
 It's good that you know a lot of foreign languages, we do share a lot of 
 latin roots with spanish, italian and french :)
 
 And sure, fell free to ask as much as you want. We appreciate a lot your 
 help, thanks very much!
 
 Regards,
 Roger.
 
 --
 Em 10-09-2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:
 Hi Roger,
 
 thank you very much. Should you ever need any help with German language, 
 please feel free to ask me.
 
 Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:
 
 
 
 Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 
 RUA DAJUDA
 This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua d'Ajuda. I 
 would probably tag:
 name=Rua d'Ajuda
 alt_name=Rua da Ajuda
 
 TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
 Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is Travessa 
 de Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. (...)
 
 
 Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads ...da Liberdade - my fault.
 
 RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes
 
 PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes
 
 RUA DAS FLORES
 Rua das Flores
 
 SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL
 Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't name 
 this. Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction
 
 I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese language :-)
 
 Though I never learned Portuguese, I find some words are similar to French 
 or Italian.
 In school, I learned English and French. Later, when I was a coach driver, 
 I learned very little Spanish and Italian when I stayed in that countries.
 But anyway, I assumed „SAIDA“ to be an exit and other words like liberdade 
 and cemiterio were recognized :-)
 
 May I continue to ask spelling questions here?
 
 I will go on with some Brazilian villages that a not fully mapped.
 
 regards,
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Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets


  
  
These are the first examples of Rua
  Principal and Nova that I have seen on the IBGE layer. For the
  regions that I named so far, or the street is not named at all or
  they use SEM DENOMINACAO. In this case I would use these names as
  it's probably how these streets are known there...
  
  Regards,
  Roger.
  
  --
  Em 10-09-2014 18:07, Lists escreveu:


  
  Rua Principal (Main Road) should normally not be named (very
  seldom they have signs), and Rua Nova (New Road) is probably in a
  similar situation.
  

  Aun Johnsen



  On Sep 10, 2014, at 18:00, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de
wrote:
  
  

 Thanks to all of you,
  
  now I am working on the hamlet of Santa Luzia do Norte
  
  There are street names like
  Rua Principal
  Rua das Pedras
  Rua das Flores (again as in the other village)
  and Rua Nova
  
  Is this spelling correct?
  
  regards,
  Andreas
  
  Am 10.09.2014 um 21:37
schrieb Roger C. Soares:
  
  

Hi Andreas,
  
  Rua d'Ajuda is just a contraction of Rua da Ajuda,
  they are the same thing. As these IBGE names usually
  don't use diacritics, I think there's a good chance
  that a ' is missing there. But feel free to name as
  Rua Dajuda, as this is what your source is showing.
  
  There are some abreviations as well, you could find
  something like RUA HELIO C NUNES. In this case I would
  write Rua Hélio C. Nunes, so later I can search for
  streets with a dot in the name and survey, at least in
  my city... TV in the beginning would be Travessa, Dr
  is Doutor, Prof for Professor, etc...
  
  It's good that you know a lot of foreign languages, we
  do share a lot of latin roots with spanish, italian
  and french :)
  
  And sure, fell free to ask as much as you want. We
  appreciate a lot your help, thanks very much!
  
  Regards,
  Roger.
  
  --
  Em 10-09-2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:


  
  Hi Roger,
  
  thank you very much. Should you ever need any help
  with German language, please feel free to ask me.
  
  Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:
  
  
  
  Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52
schrieb Roger C. Soares:
  
  

Hi Andreas,
  


 RUA DAJUDA

This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da
Ajuda or Rua d'Ajuda. I would probably tag:
name=Rua d'Ajuda
alt_name=Rua da Ajuda
  
  
  TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to
confirm if it is Travessa de Liberdade or Travessa
da Liberdade. (...)

  
  
  Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads "...da
  Liberdade" - my fault.
   
RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

 PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES

Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes

 RUA DAS FLORES

Rua das Flores

 SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL

Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte
Azul). I don't name this. Maybe it could be tagged
as a motorway_junction:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction

  
  I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese
  language :-)
  
  Though I never learned Portuguese, I find

Re: [Talk-br] name of some particular streets

Thats right, there are a lot of streets named as RUA PLANEJADA, TRAVESSA SEM 
NOME and SEM DENOMINACAO, all such should be considered to be unnamed streets, 
and either leave the name tag empty or use unnamed=yes (I prefer the first 
until actually verification on the place can be done, there are (claimed) 
existence of streets actually named so (though I have my doubts about that)

Aun Johnsen

On Sep 10, 2014, at 18:30, Roger C. Soares rogersoa...@gmail.com wrote:

 These are the first examples of Rua Principal and Nova that I have seen on 
 the IBGE layer. For the regions that I named so far, or the street is not 
 named at all or they use SEM DENOMINACAO. In this case I would use these 
 names as it's probably how these streets are known there...
 
 Regards,
 Roger.
 
 --
 Em 10-09-2014 18:07, Lists escreveu:
 Rua Principal (Main Road) should normally not be named (very seldom they 
 have signs), and Rua Nova (New Road) is probably in a similar situation.
 
 Aun Johnsen
 
 On Sep 10, 2014, at 18:00, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks to all of you,
 
 now I am working on the hamlet of Santa Luzia do Norte
 
 There are street names like
 Rua Principal
 Rua das Pedras
 Rua das Flores (again as in the other village)
 and Rua Nova
 
 Is this spelling correct?
 
 regards,
 Andreas
 
 Am 10.09.2014 um 21:37 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 Rua d'Ajuda is just a contraction of Rua da Ajuda, they are the same 
 thing. As these IBGE names usually don't use diacritics, I think there's a 
 good chance that a ' is missing there. But feel free to name as Rua 
 Dajuda, as this is what your source is showing.
 
 There are some abreviations as well, you could find something like RUA 
 HELIO C NUNES. In this case I would write Rua Hélio C. Nunes, so later I 
 can search for streets with a dot in the name and survey, at least in my 
 city... TV in the beginning would be Travessa, Dr is Doutor, Prof for 
 Professor, etc...
 
 It's good that you know a lot of foreign languages, we do share a lot of 
 latin roots with spanish, italian and french :)
 
 And sure, fell free to ask as much as you want. We appreciate a lot your 
 help, thanks very much!
 
 Regards,
 Roger.
 
 --
 Em 10-09-2014 15:15, Andreas Schmidt escreveu:
 Hi Roger,
 
 thank you very much. Should you ever need any help with German language, 
 please feel free to ask me.
 
 Look, where I took RUA DAJUDA from:
 
 
 
 Am 10.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Roger C. Soares:
 Hi Andreas,
 
 
 RUA DAJUDA
 This one I'm not sure, it probably would be Rua da Ajuda or Rua d'Ajuda. 
 I would probably tag:
 name=Rua d'Ajuda
 alt_name=Rua da Ajuda
 
 TRAVESSA DE LIBERODADE
 Liberodade is probably liberdade. Would need to confirm if it is 
 Travessa de Liberdade or Travessa da Liberdade. (...)
 
 
 Sorry! This was my mistake. It cleary reads ...da Liberdade - my fault.
 
 RUA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Rua Hélio Cordeiro Nunes
 
 PRACA HELIO CORDEIRO NUNES
 Praça Hélio Cordeiro Nunes
 
 RUA DAS FLORES
 Rua das Flores
 
 SAIDA PARA SANTO ANTONIO E MONTE AZUL
 Saída is an exit (exit to Santo Antônio and Monte Azul). I don't name 
 this. Maybe it could be tagged as a motorway_junction:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_junction
 
 I really appreciate to get a free lesson in Portuguese language :-)
 
 Though I never learned Portuguese, I find some words are similar to 
 French or Italian.
 In school, I learned English and French. Later, when I was a coach 
 driver, I learned very little Spanish and Italian when I stayed in that 
 countries.
 But anyway, I assumed „SAIDA“ to be an exit and other words like 
 liberdade and cemiterio were recognized :-)
 
 May I continue to ask spelling questions here?
 
 I will go on with some Brazilian villages that a not fully mapped.
 
 regards,
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[Talk-br] Importação de dados municipais de Jaraguá do Sul/SC

2014-09-10 Per discussione Helio Cesar Tomio

Prezados Senhores,

Trabalho na Prefeitura de Jaraguá do Sul e estamos considerando a
possibilidade de importar edificações e números de edificações para o OSM.

O sistema viário já foi todo lançado, de forma manual.

Temos a base do municipio digitalizada e georeferenciada, podendo ser
exportada para DXF, SHP e KML.

A príncipio, pensamos de exportar estes dados (edificações e números) para
kml e depois converter para gpx com o GpsBabel.

Com o JOSM, importaríamos o arquivo gpx e converteríamos em camada de
dados. Faríamos a validação dos dados e subiríamos para o OSM.

Seria adequado este procedimento?

Existe ainda, a duvida de como vincular os numeros das edificações com as
edificações, porque o formato gpx não faz isto.

Cordialmente,

Helio Cesar Tomio
Prefeitura de Jaraguá do Sul
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Re: [Talk-br] Importação de dados municipais de Jaraguá do Sul/SC

2014-09-10 Per discussione Wille


Olá, Helio

Ótima iniciativa!!!

Os dados de vocês estão em um banco de dados? Se você exportar para shp 
pode abrir no JOSM usando um plugin chamado OpenData: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Shapefile


No link tem outras alternativas também.

abraços,
wille



On 10-09-2014 23:10, Helio Cesar Tomio wrote:


Prezados Senhores,

Trabalho na Prefeitura de Jaraguá do Sul e estamos considerando a 
possibilidade de importar edificações e números de edificações para o OSM.


O sistema viário já foi todo lançado, de forma manual.

Temos a base do municipio digitalizada e georeferenciada, podendo ser 
exportada para DXF, SHP e KML.


A príncipio, pensamos de exportar estes dados (edificações e números) 
para kml e depois converter para gpx com o GpsBabel.


Com o JOSM, importaríamos o arquivo gpx e converteríamos em camada de 
dados. Faríamos a validação dos dados e subiríamos para o OSM.


Seria adequado este procedimento?


Existe ainda, a duvida de como vincular os numeros das edificações com 
as edificações, porque o formato gpx não faz isto.


Cordialmente,

Helio Cesar Tomio
Prefeitura de Jaraguá do Sul



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Re: [Talk-de] Deutscher Mapnik-Stil in Carto-CSS

2014-09-10 Per discussione Manuel Reimer

Christoph Hormann chris_hormann at gmx.de writes:
 Grundsätzlich würde es die zukünftige Synchronisation mit Änderungen im 
 internationalen Stil vermutlich vereinfachen, wenn man dort umfassender 
 die Farben als Variablen definiert so dass der angepasste Stil die nur 
 an einer Stelle ändern muss.  Das  at gwater-color ist in diesem 
 Zusammenhang eigentlich eher kontraproduktiv.

Der internationale Stil wird doch als GIT gepflegt. Warum nicht einfach
einen Fork davon anlegen, die Änderungen am deutschen Stil dort nachtragen
und von dort an zukünftige Änderungen am Carto-CSS einfach mergen?

Gruß

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Re: [Talk-de] Deutscher Mapnik-Stil in Carto-CSS

2014-09-10 Per discussione Christoph Hormann

On Wednesday 10 September 2014, Manuel Reimer wrote:
  Grundsätzlich würde es die zukünftige Synchronisation mit
  Änderungen im internationalen Stil vermutlich vereinfachen, wenn
  man dort umfassender die Farben als Variablen definiert so dass der
  angepasste Stil die nur an einer Stelle ändern muss.  Das  at
  gwater-color ist in diesem Zusammenhang eigentlich eher
  kontraproduktiv.

 Der internationale Stil wird doch als GIT gepflegt. Warum nicht
 einfach einen Fork davon anlegen, die Änderungen am deutschen Stil
 dort nachtragen und von dort an zukünftige Änderungen am Carto-CSS
 einfach mergen?

Klar, das ist ja auch was Fred gemacht hat - nur ist 'einfach mergen' 
natürlich unterschiedlich einfach je nachdem wie umfangreich die 
Unterschiede zwischen Vorlage und Fork sind.  Entsprechend sind 
Änderungen wie 13x @water-color durch @gwater-color ersetzen eher 
ungünstig.

Daneben ergibt sich bei vielen eher gestalterischen Änderungen natürlich 
auch die Frage, ob und wie solche in den deutschen Stil übernommen 
werden sollen.  So gab es in jüngerer Zeit im internationalen Stil eine 
Menge Feinabstimmung bei der Farbpalette im urbanen Bereich (Gebäude, 
landuse) - wäre zu klären, was davon übernommen werden sollte und was 
nicht zu den anderen Farben im deutschen Stil passt.  Aber das sind 
natürlich eher weiterführende Fragen wenn das Ganze erst einmal läuft.

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Re: [Talk-de] Deutscher Mapnik-Stil in Carto-CSS

2014-09-10 Per discussione Frederik Ramm

Hallo,

On 09/10/2014 12:16 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
 Der internationale Stil wird doch als GIT gepflegt. Warum nicht
 einfach einen Fork davon anlegen, die Änderungen am deutschen Stil
 dort nachtragen und von dort an zukünftige Änderungen am Carto-CSS
 einfach mergen?
 
 Klar, das ist ja auch was Fred gemacht hat

Offenbar hatte ich es nicht gut genug erklärt ;) ja, Christoph hat
recht, genau das haben wir hier gemacht bzw. zu machen versucht.

Die Unterschiede sind inzwischen natürlich schon recht groß, und mein
Praktikant und ich wollten uns nicht anmassen, zu entscheiden, welche
der inzwischen vorgenommenen Änderungen der englischen Karte
selbstverständlich übernommen werden sollten und welche eher nicht.

Ausserdem würden aus einem gründlichen Merge sicherlich auch, wie
Christoph ja auch schon vorgeschlagen hatte, einige Patches für den
englischen Stil erwachsen, die die spätere Parallelführung erleichtern.

 Entsprechend sind 
 Änderungen wie 13x @water-color durch @gwater-color ersetzen eher 
 ungünstig.

Das war in der Tat nicht so prickelnd, ich vermute mal, es stammt daher,
dass zwischendurch beide Farben parallel genutzt wurden und erst später
klar wurde, dass man mit einem Code auskommen würde.

Bye
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[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 216 2.9.–8.9.2014

2014-09-10 Per discussione wn reader


Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 216 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der 
OpenStreetMap Welt ist da:


http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2014/09/wochennotiz-nr-216/

Viel Spaß beim Lesen!

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A partire da venerdì 3 Ottobre e fino a domenica 5 Ottobre, Matera diventa
la capitale italiana della mappatura in formato aperto. Il raduno nazionale
di OSM (Open Street Map) 2014. vi aspetta a Matera, casa Cava: un momento
non solo di ascolto, ma anche di confronto, e di incontro fra le esperienze
di mappatura di tutta Italia.

Sul sito http://conf.openstreetmap.it ci sono già le prime info logistiche,
le altre - compreso il programma - vengono aggiunte quotidianamente, quindi
occhio agli aggiornamenti e alle news.

Matera sarà presente con la sua community di mappers, che in poche
settimane nel corso del 2013 ha mappato in formato aperto l'intera città e
i dintorni. Un progetto nato dalla community Matera 2019, che si è
sviluppato in modo autonomo ed è cresciuto in modo esponenziale, fino a far
diventare Matera il punto di riferimento di OSM per l'intero Sud Italia. Un
progetto che ha generato una serie di fallout, perfettamente centrati sul
tema di città e cittadini: mappare prcorsi turistici, linee di autobus,
luoghi rilevanti della città, alberghi e ristoranti, luoghi di ritrovi di
giovani e meno giovani. Il tutto senza chiedere permesso, solo
mobilitando l'inteligenza collettiva dei materani.

OSMIT14 - coem sapete - è organizzato come un barcamp: ci si iscrive per
presentarsi e presentare proprie esperienze, o per porre temi di
discussione per la crescita del movimento in tutta Italia. Venire ad
OSMIT14 quindi è possibile in due modi: come pubblico, iscrivendosi a
partecipare o - molto meglio - per presentare proprie esperienze di
mappatura. Fidiamo nella partecipazione di mappatori lucani, ma anche
pugliesi, calabresi, campani.

Una imperdibile occasione per i mappatori junior anche per imparare i
rudimenti della mappatura open, e poter mappare - è così che si inizia -
ciò che interessa: il proprio quartiere, la propria via, i punti di
ritrovo, le farmacie, le buche della posta.

Si mappa per sè, e, contemporaneamente, per tutto il mondo. Non è
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[Talk-it] Un saluto!


Buongiorno a tutti,
mi sono appena iscritto alla lista.
Sono un mappatore ormai da diversi anni (Crotone - Calabria), e sento il 
bisogno di contribuire ancora di più a questo progetto.
Qui siamo pochi, ma sto riuscendo a coinvolgere sempre più gente. Non 
conosco però la scena Italiana.

Quindi, eccomi qui :)

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[Talk-it] OSMit 2014 a Matera

2014-09-10 Per discussione Cristian Consonni

(reinoltro, ché Ida si è dimenticata il titolo del thread) =)

Ciao,

C

-- Messaggio inoltrato --
Da: Ida Leone ida.le...@gmail.com
Date: 10 settembre 2014 10:42
Oggetto: [Talk-it] (senza oggetto)
A: openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org


A partire da venerdì 3 Ottobre e fino a domenica 5 Ottobre, Matera
diventa la capitale italiana della mappatura in formato aperto. Il
raduno nazionale di OSM (Open Street Map) 2014. vi aspetta a Matera,
casa Cava: un momento non solo di ascolto, ma anche di confronto, e di
incontro fra le esperienze di mappatura di tutta Italia.

Sul sito http://conf.openstreetmap.it ci sono già le prime info
logistiche, le altre - compreso il programma - vengono aggiunte
quotidianamente, quindi occhio agli aggiornamenti e alle news.

Matera sarà presente con la sua community di mappers, che in poche
settimane nel corso del 2013 ha mappato in formato aperto l'intera
città e i dintorni. Un progetto nato dalla community Matera 2019, che
si è sviluppato in modo autonomo ed è cresciuto in modo esponenziale,
fino a far diventare Matera il punto di riferimento di OSM per
l'intero Sud Italia. Un progetto che ha generato una serie di fallout,
perfettamente centrati sul tema di città e cittadini: mappare
prcorsi turistici, linee di autobus, luoghi rilevanti della città,
alberghi e ristoranti, luoghi di ritrovi di giovani e meno giovani. Il
tutto senza chiedere permesso, solo mobilitando l'inteligenza
collettiva dei materani.

OSMIT14 - coem sapete - è organizzato come un barcamp: ci si iscrive
per presentarsi e presentare proprie esperienze, o per porre temi di
discussione per la crescita del movimento in tutta Italia. Venire ad
OSMIT14 quindi è possibile in due modi: come pubblico, iscrivendosi a
partecipare o - molto meglio - per presentare proprie esperienze di
mappatura. Fidiamo nella partecipazione di mappatori lucani, ma anche
pugliesi, calabresi, campani.

Una imperdibile occasione per i mappatori junior anche per imparare i
rudimenti della mappatura open, e poter mappare - è così che si inizia
- ciò che interessa: il proprio quartiere, la propria via, i punti di
ritrovo, le farmacie, le buche della posta.

Si mappa per sè, e, contemporaneamente, per tutto il mondo. Non è
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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

2014-09-10 Per discussione Michele iw1gfv

On 10 settembre 2014 12:41:46 CEST, Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it wrote:
Buongiorno a tutti,
mi sono appena iscritto alla lista.
Sono un mappatore ormai da diversi anni (Crotone - Calabria), e sento
il 
bisogno di contribuire ancora di più a questo progetto.
Qui siamo pochi, ma sto riuscendo a coinvolgere sempre più gente. Non 
conosco però la scena Italiana.
Quindi, eccomi qui :)

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Benvenuto nella mailing list!
Io sono un mappatore di Torino, anche se non molto attivo sulla mailing list.
ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

2014-09-10 Per discussione Francesco Pelullo

Ciao e benvenuto!

/niubii/


Il 10 settembre 2014 12:49, Michele iw1gfv iw1...@yahoo.it ha scritto:
 On 10 settembre 2014 12:41:46 CEST, Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it 
 wrote:
Buongiorno a tutti,
mi sono appena iscritto alla lista.
Sono un mappatore ormai da diversi anni (Crotone - Calabria), e sento
il
bisogno di contribuire ancora di più a questo progetto.
Qui siamo pochi, ma sto riuscendo a coinvolgere sempre più gente. Non
conosco però la scena Italiana.
Quindi, eccomi qui :)

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 Benvenuto nella mailing list!
 Io sono un mappatore di Torino, anche se non molto attivo sulla mailing list.
 ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

Ciao Francesco!
Vieni a Matera il 3-4-5 Ottobre? Potrai conoscerci tutti o quasi dal vivo!
:)
http://conf.openstreetmap.it/

Benvenuto!

Il giorno 10 settembre 2014 13:27, Francesco Pelullo f.pelu...@gmail.com
ha scritto:

 Ciao e benvenuto!

 /niubii/


 Il 10 settembre 2014 12:49, Michele iw1gfv iw1...@yahoo.it ha scritto:
  On 10 settembre 2014 12:41:46 CEST, Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it
 wrote:
 Buongiorno a tutti,
 mi sono appena iscritto alla lista.
 Sono un mappatore ormai da diversi anni (Crotone - Calabria), e sento
 il
 bisogno di contribuire ancora di più a questo progetto.
 Qui siamo pochi, ma sto riuscendo a coinvolgere sempre più gente. Non
 conosco però la scena Italiana.
 Quindi, eccomi qui :)
 
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  Io sono un mappatore di Torino, anche se non molto attivo sulla mailing
 list.
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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!


Grazie a tutti!
Sono contento di vedere che c'è movimento :)

Il 10/09/2014 13:50, Ida Leone ha scritto:

Ciao Francesco!
Vieni a Matera il 3-4-5 Ottobre? Potrai conoscerci tutti o quasi dal
vivo! :)
http://conf.openstreetmap.it/

Benvenuto!


Ciao Ida,
a dire il vero, mi sono iscritto alla lista anche per ricevere più 
informazioni riguardo l'OSMit! :D
Qualche giorno fa avevo pure mandato una mail, nella quale mi offrivo 
per dare una mano a tirare su il sito. Purtroppo non ho ricevuto risposta.
Ad ogni modo, conto di esserci! Da Kr sono circa 3 ore, quindi perdere 
l'evento sarebbe una gran cavolata.


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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

2014-09-10 Per discussione Maurizio Napolitano

 Ciao Ida,
 a dire il vero, mi sono iscritto alla lista anche per ricevere più
 informazioni riguardo l'OSMit! :D
 Qualche giorno fa avevo pure mandato una mail, nella quale mi offrivo per
 dare una mano a tirare su il sito. Purtroppo non ho ricevuto risposta.
 Ad ogni modo, conto di esserci! Da Kr sono circa 3 ore, quindi perdere
 l'evento sarebbe una gran cavolata.

Ciao Francesco e benvenuto.
Per OSMIT sarebbe molto interessante che tu riportassi la situazione su osm
in Calabria e quanto state sviluppando a Crotone.
Guardando la mappa, purtroppo, la Calabria non sembra essere così ricca di
dettagli, ma appena si fa uno zoom si Crotone si vede una miriade di dettagli
che fa capire che lì ci sono persone particolarmente attive.

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Il 10/09/2014 14:45, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:

Ciao Francesco e benvenuto.
Per OSMIT sarebbe molto interessante che tu riportassi la situazione su osm
in Calabria e quanto state sviluppando a Crotone.
Guardando la mappa, purtroppo, la Calabria non sembra essere così ricca di
dettagli, ma appena si fa uno zoom si Crotone si vede una miriade di dettagli
che fa capire che lì ci sono persone particolarmente attive.


Grazie Maurizio!
La cosa non può che farmi piacere. Sarei contento di venire a raccontare 
la mia esperienza, fino ad ora.


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 Il giorno 10/set/2014, alle ore 15:03, Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it 
 ha scritto:
 
 Il 10/09/2014 14:45, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:
 Ciao Francesco e benvenuto.
 Per OSMIT sarebbe molto interessante che tu riportassi la situazione su osm
 in Calabria e quanto state sviluppando a Crotone.
 Guardando la mappa, purtroppo, la Calabria non sembra essere così ricca di
 dettagli, ma appena si fa uno zoom si Crotone si vede una miriade di dettagli
 che fa capire che lì ci sono persone particolarmente attive.
 
 Grazie Maurizio!
 La cosa non può che farmi piacere. Sarei contento di venire a raccontare la 
 mia esperienza, fino ad ora.

Allora vai sul sito ed iscriviti a parlare ;)
Ti aspettiamo! 


 
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Re: [Talk-it] dati liberi sull'infomobilità a Bari

2014-09-10 Per discussione Fabri

se avete i dati in tempo reale (formato google transit gtfs) potete 
visualizzarli qui http://tracker.geops.ch http://t.co/erfiQnJh6w


Il 08/09/2014 18:52, Massimo Zotti ha scritto:


Le informazioni dinamiche sono:
- gli orari di passaggio real-time di tutti i mezzi delle linee che 
passano da ogni fermata, che attualmente sono pubblicati sulle paline 
elettroniche dislocate alle fermate (si sta valutando l’opportunità di 
pubblicare anche la posizione del mezzo che svolge la corsa)
- indicazione sul livello di congestione del traffico sulle strade 
percorse dai mezzi AMTAB.





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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!


Il 10/09/2014 15:51, Ida Leone ha scritto:

Allora vai sul sito ed iscriviti a parlare ;)
Ti aspettiamo!
Prima vorrei qualche informazione in più. Pernottamento, pranzo/cena... 
è tutto previsto presso Casa Cava?

E, non indifferente, i costi?

Bisogna far conciliare tempo e denaro :D

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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

Sarebbe bello poter pagare le trasferte a tutti, ma non possiamo permettercelo.

I viaggi, i pernottamenti e la cena di venerdí e di sabato sera sono a carico 
di chi viene, anche se otterremo prezzi ribassati e convenienti. Dovremmo 
riuscire ad avere gratuiti i pranzi di sabato e domenica e i coffee break :)

Casa Cava, infine, non é un albergo né ci si puó mangiare, é solo una sala 
convegni.

da iPad

 Il giorno 10/set/2014, alle ore 15:58, Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it 
 ha scritto:
 
 Il 10/09/2014 15:51, Ida Leone ha scritto:
 Allora vai sul sito ed iscriviti a parlare ;)
 Ti aspettiamo!
 Prima vorrei qualche informazione in più. Pernottamento, pranzo/cena... è 
 tutto previsto presso Casa Cava?
 E, non indifferente, i costi?
 
 Bisogna far conciliare tempo e denaro :D
 
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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

2014-09-10 Per discussione Cristian Consonni

Il 10 settembre 2014 15:51, Ida Leone ida.le...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Allora vai sul sito ed iscriviti a parlare ;)
 Ti aspettiamo!

Si veda a questo proposito:
http://conf.openstreetmap.it/manda-la-tua-proposta/

Ciao,

C

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Il 10/09/2014 16:07, Ida Leone ha scritto:

Sarebbe bello poter pagare le trasferte a tutti, ma non possiamo permettercelo.

I viaggi, i pernottamenti e la cena di venerdí e di sabato sera sono a carico 
di chi viene, anche se otterremo prezzi ribassati e convenienti. Dovremmo 
riuscire ad avere gratuiti i pranzi di sabato e domenica e i coffee break :)

Casa Cava, infine, non é un albergo né ci si puó mangiare, é solo una sala 
convegni.

da iPad


Esattamente questo volevo capire! Ovviamente, non voglio i tre giorni 
pagati, ma solo farmi un'idea di quanto spendere :P


Quindi non c'è un albergo di riferimento? Posso prenotare dove preferisco?

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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

Devi avere qualche giorno di pazienza per vedere l'elenco di hotel, bb, 
ostelli convenzionati.
Naturalmente puoi prenotare dove vuoi, anche da ora :)

da iPad

 Il giorno 10/set/2014, alle ore 16:13, Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it 
 ha scritto:
 
 Il 10/09/2014 16:07, Ida Leone ha scritto:
 Sarebbe bello poter pagare le trasferte a tutti, ma non possiamo 
 permettercelo.
 
 I viaggi, i pernottamenti e la cena di venerdí e di sabato sera sono a 
 carico di chi viene, anche se otterremo prezzi ribassati e convenienti. 
 Dovremmo riuscire ad avere gratuiti i pranzi di sabato e domenica e i coffee 
 break :)
 
 Casa Cava, infine, non é un albergo né ci si puó mangiare, é solo una sala 
 convegni.
 
 da iPad
 
 Esattamente questo volevo capire! Ovviamente, non voglio i tre giorni pagati, 
 ma solo farmi un'idea di quanto spendere :P
 
 Quindi non c'è un albergo di riferimento? Posso prenotare dove preferisco?
 
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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

Ok ragazzi, scusatemi se vado di fretta, ma quando una cosa ti 
interessa, beh, sapete com'é :P


Grazie a tutti, gentilissimi!

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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!

2014-09-10 Per discussione Maurizio Napolitano

2014-09-10 16:33 GMT+02:00 Francesco Placco che-...@libero.it:
 Ok ragazzi, scusatemi se vado di fretta, ma quando una cosa ti interessa,
 beh, sapete com'é :P

Comincia a sottomettere la tua partecipazione e proporre una talk :)
Anzi!
fa anche un po' di pubblicità in giro fra le persone della tua zona
così organizzate un pulmino.

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Re: [Talk-it] Un saluto!


Comincia a sottomettere la tua partecipazione e proporre una talk :)
Anzi!
fa anche un po' di pubblicità in giro fra le persone della tua zona
così organizzate un pulmino.


Hai ragione :)
Intanto mi sono registrato. Da qui al fine settimana penso ad un 
possibile talk, qualcosa di valido.


Sto anche cercando di convincere alcuni mappatori attivi, speriamo che 
accettino di venire.


PS: Mi sono registrato anche sul wiki di OSM. A tempo perso farò qualche 
modifica ed aggiungerò dettagli ed info.


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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi ricerca indirizzi OSM su Garmin

2014-09-10 Per discussione AndAg

Grazie delle delucidazioni, ho provato il tuo Garmux sul pc di casa (ubuntu)
ed ha funzionato alla grande.
Per cui direi: vai con Garmux !

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Re: [Talk-co] Posibilidad de reunión con UNGRD - OSM - OCHA ¿quien va?

2014-09-10 Per discussione vtamara

Si me gustaría participar en esa reunión, no como voluntario de OSM, 
pero si para buscar
como articular intercambio de información georeferenciada que se 
recauda por ejemplo en

el Banco de Datos del CINEP .

Bendiciones.

El 2014-09-08 18:12, Luis Hernando Aguilar escribió:

Hola Miguel

Gracias por tu respuesta.
Efectivamente, creo que la idea sería identificar las posibles
opciones de interacción y los ejemplos que propones me parece que
están bien.

¿De que manera se podría coordinar un apoyo de ese tipo? es decir
¿quien puede dar capacitaciones o cómo se podría hacer 
acompañamiento?

¿esto es viable?

Otra variable que me parece muy importante es la posibilidad de
expandir a nivel nacional el uso de OSM por medio de los telecentros
comunitarios. (Que es, como lo veo, una de las fortalezas de OSM como
iniciativa)

Esperaré a la otra semana a ver quien más puede dar una mano y les
estaré contando.

Exitos

Luis

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From: Miguel Sánchez migueldesplazamientocen...@gmail.com
To: talk-co@openstreetmap.org
Date: 08/09/2014 05:05 p.m.
Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Posibilidad de reunión con UNGRD - OSM - OCHA 
¿quien va?


-

 Hola Luis Hernando. Me interesaria participar. Eso ayudaria definir
mejor nuestros roles como voluntarios y fomentaría un mayor
compromiso. Sobre todo.vale prepararse desde ahora para emergencias
futuras.

Yo estoy saliendo para trabajo de campo esta semana. Si la hacen la
proxima Semana puedo participar.

Si sirve, puedo compartir las aplicaciones que estamos haciendo de
OSM a los campos como la memoria historica, los usos de cartografia
para el.l campo social, el uso en caryografia social vinculando los
saberes de distintas disciplinas al campo de los DDHH.

Como voluntarios de OSM, hablando por otros podríamos aportar en
compromisos puntuales para hacer mas util la info de OSM en campo, 
por

ejemplo Evaluación de necesidades, georreferenciacion de elementos
específicos que se necesite o se haya identificado.

Buen dia

Luis Miguel Sanchez
 @kublaykan

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  Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:32:42 -0500
  From: Luis Hernando Aguilar aguil...@un.org
  To: Talk-co@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: [Talk-co] Posibilidad de reunión con UNGRD - OSM - OCHA
  ¿quien va?
  Message-ID:
  of94ebeb9b.12ae4cfc-on05257d4a.006abcb2-05257d4a.006b4...@un.org
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
  Saludos cordiales
  En razón de las conversaciones recientes quiero proponerles la 
siguiente

  idea.
 
  Nosotros tenemos una agenda de trabajo con UNGRD. Esto incluye
  intercambio de información y buenas prácticas
 
  ¿sería posible pensar en que OSM brindara algún soporte o 
capacitación a
  los equipos humanitarios y a la UNGRD? ¿que tipo de apoyo podría 
OSM
  suministrar ,no solo a UNGRD sino a la comunidad humanitaria en 
Colombia?

 
  Como estarán enterados, el trabajo que logramos hacer con HOT en
  Filipinas, y antes en otras emergencias grandes ha sido 
fantástico, y es

  importante explorar y llevar esa relación más allá.
 
  No estoy seguro de como proceder, pero puedo proponer una reunión 
en
  Bogotá entre OCHA UNGRD y OSM donde 1) se presenten las 
posibilidades de
  OSM para los humanitairos 2) se identifiquen actividades y lugares 
para
  hacerlo (tal vez en el terreno) 3. Si llegara a ser neceario un 
cronograma

  de actividades.
 
 
  ¿que opinan? ¿quienes estarían apoyando o liderando la iniciativa?
 
  Qiuedo atento
  Luis
 
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Re: [Talk-es] Quedada virtual en septiembre (hangout, etc.)

2014-09-10 Per discussione Enrique Ramos Ortiz

Yo también me apuntaría en principio siempre y cuando fuera en horario de
tarde..

El 8 de septiembre de 2014, 23:46, Alejandro S. alejandro...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Buenas!

 Yo me apunto a charrar un rato y también a ayudar a organizar si hace
 falta.

 SaludOSM!,

 Alejandro (alejandroscf)
 El 04/09/2014 10:29, Moises Arcos moiarc...@gmail.com escribió:

 Yo al primero no pude asistir, pero estoy bastante interesado en escuchar
 que se está moviendo en la comunidad.
 Como miembro de Geoinquietos Sevilla os puedo contar que estamos
 promoviendo bastante el uso de OSM.
 Tenemos varias iniciativas abiertas que me gustaría compartir con ustedes.

 Saludos!!!


 El 4 de septiembre de 2014, 10:21, Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com
 escribió:

 Hola,

 Ahora que muchos creo que han vuelto de vacaciones, ¿cómo están los
 ánimos y agendas para participar (hablando o sólo viendo) en un 2o hangout
 de OSM en español/aniversario de OSM/de OSM en España?

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Re: [Talk-es] Quedada virtual en septiembre (hangout, etc.)

2014-09-10 Per discussione Jaime Crespo

Vale, parece que ya hay más movimiento. Pongo la típica encuesta.

Por favor, votad tanto si queréis hablar como si sólo queréis escuchar,
para ver si hay suficientes interesados:

http://doodle.com/yngduzd9bn8tnfbw

Poned algún medio de contacto aquí si queréis hablar (me gustaría contar al
menos con los habituales de la lista, sin compromiso):
http://tinyurl.com/osmes2

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Re: [Talk-at] [Graz] Stammtisch, - Protokoll online

2014-09-10 Per discussione Michael Maier

Hallo,

das Protokoll zum Grazer September-Stammtisch ist online:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Graz/Stammtisch/2014-09-08

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[Talk-it-trentino] Matera

2014-09-10 Per discussione Michele Malfatti

Ciao a me interessa venire a Matera, andiamo assieme noi trentini? 

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Matera

2014-09-10 Per discussione Luca Delucchi

ciao Michele

On 10 September 2014 22:01, Michele Malfatti michele.malfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ciao a me interessa venire a Matera, andiamo assieme noi trentini?


si potrebbe fare, quanti sono interessati ad andare e quali giorni?

io da venerdì a domenica comprese

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Matera

2014-09-10 Per discussione Michele Malfatti

Io ci sono da ven a domenica. 

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 On 10/set/2014, at 22:06, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 ciao Michele
 
 On 10 September 2014 22:01, Michele Malfatti michele.malfa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Ciao a me interessa venire a Matera, andiamo assieme noi trentini?
 
 si potrebbe fare, quanti sono interessati ad andare e quali giorni?
 
 io da venerdì a domenica comprese
 
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Matera

2014-09-10 Per discussione Cristian Consonni

Il 10/Set/2014 22:06 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 ciao Michele

 On 10 September 2014 22:01, Michele Malfatti michele.malfa...@gmail.com
wrote:
  Ciao a me interessa venire a Matera, andiamo assieme noi trentini?
 

 si potrebbe fare, quanti sono interessati ad andare e quali giorni?

 io da venerdì a domenica comprese

Anche io.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

2014-09-10 Per discussione Jiri Klement

Nejspis je to tim, ze pristupujes k GUI ze spatnyho vlakna. Nastav si
v JOSM propertu debug.edt-checker.enable=true a kazdej spatnej pristup
se bude vypisovat do konzole jako stacktrace. Treba ty informacni
dialogy by si nemel zobrazovat primo, ale uvnitr
SwingUtilities.invokeLater. Uvidis i spoustu spatnych pristupu primo z
JOSM, ty asi nema smysl resit.

Jeste bych chtel poprosit, jestli bys mohl pouzivat spravny jmena
balicku - meli by odpovidat adresarovy strukture. Neni to sice
povinne, ale je to naprosty standard a treba eclipse tracer kvuli tomu
neprelozi.

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2014-09-09 21:08 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:
 Tak zdá se, že nová verze mnohem častěji generuje výjimku:
 .NullPointerException v SynthTreeUI.java :-(
 Dá se to ignorovat, ale vadí mi to. A nevím co s tím.

 CHYBA: java.lang.NullPointerException
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 at
 javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paintExpandControl(SynthTreeUI.java:600)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paint(SynthTreeUI.java:417)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.update(SynthTreeUI.java:271)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintComponent(JComponent.java:769)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paint(JComponent.java:1045)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintToOffscreen(JComponent.java:5210)
 at
 javax.swing.BufferStrategyPaintManager.paint(BufferStrategyPaintManager.java:295)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.paint(RepaintManager.java:1249)
 at javax.swing.JComponent._paintImmediately(JComponent.java:5158)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintImmediately(JComponent.java:4969)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:808)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at
 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:769)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.prePaintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:718)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.access$1100(RepaintManager.java:62)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager$ProcessingRunnable.run(RepaintManager.java:1677)
 at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:251)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:733)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.access$200(EventQueue.java:103)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:694)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:692)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at
 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:703)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:242)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:161)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:154)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$2.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:182)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$4.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:221)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport.enter(WaitDispatchSupport.java:219)
 at java.awt.Dialog.show(Dialog.java:1082)
 at java.awt.Component.show(Component.java:1651)
 at java.awt.Component.setVisible(Component.java:1603)
 at java.awt.Window.setVisible(Window.java:1014)
 at java.awt.Dialog.setVisible(Dialog.java:1005)
 at
 org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.progress.PleaseWaitProgressMonitor$4.run(PleaseWaitProgressMonitor.java:172)
 at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:251)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:733)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.access$200(EventQueue.java:103)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:694)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:692)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at
 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:703)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:242)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:161)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(EventDispatchThread.java:150)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:146)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:138)
 at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(EventDispatchThread.java:91)

Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

2014-09-10 Per discussione Marián Kyral

Ahoj,

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Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 10. 9. 2014 8:32:53
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

Nejspis je to tim, ze pristupujes k GUI ze spatnyho vlakna. Nastav si
v JOSM propertu debug.edt-checker.enable=true a kazdej spatnej pristup
se bude vypisovat do konzole jako stacktrace. Treba ty informacni
dialogy by si nemel zobrazovat primo, ale uvnitr
SwingUtilities.invokeLater. Uvidis i spoustu spatnych pristupu primo z
JOSM, ty asi nema smysl resit.




No o programování multivláknových aplikací nevím vůbec nic. Tak nějak naivně
jsem předpokládal, že JOSM to má ošetřeno, případně, že původní plugin to má
uděláno dobře. No nemá. Martin Švec mi poslal dlouhý seznam, co je třeba 
upravit. a že se na to o víkendu snad mrkne. Já si mezitím budu číst něco o 
EDT a jiných magických zkratkách.





Jeste bych chtel poprosit, jestli bys mohl pouzivat spravny jmena
balicku - meli by odpovidat adresarovy strukture. Neni to sice
povinne, ale je to naprosty standard a treba eclipse tracer kvuli tomu
neprelozi.




Ehm, že jsem tak smělý, můžeš definovat správný jméno balíčku? Eclipse 
nepoužívám, v javě jsem samouk, tak netuším, co tím myslíš ;-)




Díky,

Marián




--
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2014-09-09 21:08 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:
 Tak zdá se, že nová verze mnohem častěji generuje výjimku:
 .NullPointerException v SynthTreeUI.java :-(
 Dá se to ignorovat, ale vadí mi to. A nevím co s tím.

 CHYBA: java.lang.NullPointerException
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 at
 javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paintExpandControl(SynthTreeUI.java:
600)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paint(SynthTreeUI.java:417)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.update(SynthTreeUI.java:271)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintComponent(JComponent.java:769)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paint(JComponent.java:1045)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintToOffscreen(JComponent.java:5210)
 at
 javax.swing.BufferStrategyPaintManager.paint(BufferStrategyPaintManager.
java:295)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.paint(RepaintManager.java:1249)
 at javax.swing.JComponent._paintImmediately(JComponent.java:5158)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintImmediately(JComponent.java:4969)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:808)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at
 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.
java:76)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:769)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.prePaintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:718)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.access$1100(RepaintManager.java:62)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager$ProcessingRunnable.run(RepaintManager.java:
1677)
 at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:251)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:733)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.access$200(EventQueue.java:103)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:694)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:692)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at
 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.
java:76)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:703)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.
java:242)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:
161)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:
154)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$2.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:182)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$4.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:221)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport.enter(WaitDispatchSupport.java:219)
 at java.awt.Dialog.show(Dialog.java:1082)
 at java.awt.Component.show(Component.java:1651)
 at java.awt.Component.setVisible(Component.java:1603)
 at java.awt.Window.setVisible(Window.java:1014)
 at java.awt.Dialog.setVisible(Dialog.java:1005)
 at
 org.openstreetmap.josm.gui.progress.PleaseWaitProgressMonitor$4.run
(PleaseWaitProgressMonitor.java:172)
 at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:251)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:733)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.access$200(EventQueue.java:103)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:694)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:692)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at
 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.
java:76)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:703)
 at
 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.
java:242)
 at

Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

2014-09-10 Per discussione Jiri Klement

Ahoj,

EDT znamena Event Dispatch Thread, zjednodusene je to vlakno, co resi
vsechny veci s GUI. Protoze Swing neni threadsafe, tak veskera prace s
GUI by mela byt v tomhle vlakne. Zakladni pouziti:
SwingUtilities.invokeLater(new Runnable() {
@Override
public void run() {
// Zobraz status dialog...
}
});
Kdyz tohle udelas, tak se prida pozadavek do EDT fronty a kdyz na nej
dojde rada, tak se provede tvoje metoda run() (ve spravnem vlakne,
takze nehrozi NullPointer).

Spravne jmeno balicku - kdyz mam soubor
org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/tracer/ConnectWays/ConnectWays.java,
tak balicek by mel byt
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.tracer.ConnectWays. Tj stejny jako
cesta k souboru, akorat misto lomitka je tam tecka.


2014-09-10 9:13 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:
 Ahoj,

 -- Původní zpráva --
 Od: Jiri Klement jiri.klem...@gmail.com
 Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
 Datum: 10. 9. 2014 8:32:53
 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí


 Nejspis je to tim, ze pristupujes k GUI ze spatnyho vlakna. Nastav si
 v JOSM propertu debug.edt-checker.enable=true a kazdej spatnej pristup
 se bude vypisovat do konzole jako stacktrace. Treba ty informacni
 dialogy by si nemel zobrazovat primo, ale uvnitr
 SwingUtilities.invokeLater. Uvidis i spoustu spatnych pristupu primo z
 JOSM, ty asi nema smysl resit.


 No o programování multivláknových aplikací nevím vůbec nic. Tak nějak naivně
 jsem předpokládal, že JOSM to má ošetřeno, případně, že původní plugin to má
 uděláno dobře. No nemá. Martin Švec mi poslal dlouhý seznam, co je třeba
 upravit. a že se na to o víkendu snad mrkne. Já si mezitím budu číst něco o
 EDT a jiných magických zkratkách.



 Jeste bych chtel poprosit, jestli bys mohl pouzivat spravny jmena
 balicku - meli by odpovidat adresarovy strukture. Neni to sice
 povinne, ale je to naprosty standard a treba eclipse tracer kvuli tomu
 neprelozi.


 Ehm, že jsem tak smělý, můžeš definovat správný jméno balíčku? Eclipse
 nepoužívám, v javě jsem samouk, tak netuším, co tím myslíš ;-)


 Díky,

 Marián



 --
 Jirka



 2014-09-09 21:08 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:
 Tak zdá se, že nová verze mnohem častěji generuje výjimku:
 .NullPointerException v SynthTreeUI.java :-(
 Dá se to ignorovat, ale vadí mi to. A nevím co s tím.

 CHYBA: java.lang.NullPointerException
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 at

 javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paintExpandControl(SynthTreeUI.java:600)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paint(SynthTreeUI.java:417)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.update(SynthTreeUI.java:271)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintComponent(JComponent.java:769)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paint(JComponent.java:1045)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintToOffscreen(JComponent.java:5210)
 at

 javax.swing.BufferStrategyPaintManager.paint(BufferStrategyPaintManager.java:295)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.paint(RepaintManager.java:1249)
 at javax.swing.JComponent._paintImmediately(JComponent.java:5158)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintImmediately(JComponent.java:4969)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:808)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at

 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:769)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.prePaintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:718)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.access$1100(RepaintManager.java:62)
 at

 javax.swing.RepaintManager$ProcessingRunnable.run(RepaintManager.java:1677)
 at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:251)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:733)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.access$200(EventQueue.java:103)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:694)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:692)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at

 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:703)
 at

 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:242)
 at

 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:161)
 at

 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:154)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$2.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:182)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$4.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:221)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport.enter(WaitDispatchSupport.java:219)
 at java.awt.Dialog.show(Dialog.java:1082)
 at java.awt.Component.show(Component.java:1651)
 at java.awt.Component.setVisible(Component.java:1603)
 at java.awt.Window.setVisible(Window.java:1014)
 at

Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

2014-09-10 Per discussione Marián Kyral



-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Jiri Klement jiri.klem...@gmail.com
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 10. 9. 2014 9:28:24
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

Ahoj,

EDT znamena Event Dispatch Thread, zjednodusene je to vlakno, co resi
vsechny veci s GUI. Protoze Swing neni threadsafe, tak veskera prace s
GUI by mela byt v tomhle vlakne. Zakladni pouziti:
SwingUtilities.invokeLater(new Runnable() {
@Override
public void run() {
// Zobraz status dialog...
}
});
Kdyz tohle udelas, tak se prida pozadavek do EDT fronty a kdyz na nej
dojde rada, tak se provede tvoje metoda run() (ve spravnem vlakne,
takze nehrozi NullPointer).




Jo, to už jsme zkoušeli a funguje to.




Spravne jmeno balicku - kdyz mam soubor
org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/tracer/ConnectWays/ConnectWays.java,
tak balicek by mel byt
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.tracer.ConnectWays. Tj stejny jako
cesta k souboru, akorat misto lomitka je tam tecka.




OK. Večer na to mrknu.




Marián





2014-09-10 9:13 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:
 Ahoj,

 -- Původní zpráva --
 Od: Jiri Klement jiri.klem...@gmail.com
 Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
 Datum: 10. 9. 2014 8:32:53
 Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí


 Nejspis je to tim, ze pristupujes k GUI ze spatnyho vlakna. Nastav si
 v JOSM propertu debug.edt-checker.enable=true a kazdej spatnej pristup
 se bude vypisovat do konzole jako stacktrace. Treba ty informacni
 dialogy by si nemel zobrazovat primo, ale uvnitr
 SwingUtilities.invokeLater. Uvidis i spoustu spatnych pristupu primo z
 JOSM, ty asi nema smysl resit.


 No o programování multivláknových aplikací nevím vůbec nic. Tak nějak 
naivně
 jsem předpokládal, že JOSM to má ošetřeno, případně, že původní plugin to 
má
 uděláno dobře. No nemá. Martin Švec mi poslal dlouhý seznam, co je třeba
 upravit. a že se na to o víkendu snad mrkne. Já si mezitím budu číst něco 
o
 EDT a jiných magických zkratkách.



 Jeste bych chtel poprosit, jestli bys mohl pouzivat spravny jmena
 balicku - meli by odpovidat adresarovy strukture. Neni to sice
 povinne, ale je to naprosty standard a treba eclipse tracer kvuli tomu
 neprelozi.


 Ehm, že jsem tak smělý, můžeš definovat správný jméno balíčku? Eclipse
 nepoužívám, v javě jsem samouk, tak netuším, co tím myslíš ;-)


 Díky,

 Marián



 --
 Jirka



 2014-09-09 21:08 GMT+02:00 Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz:
 Tak zdá se, že nová verze mnohem častěji generuje výjimku:
 .NullPointerException v SynthTreeUI.java :-(
 Dá se to ignorovat, ale vadí mi to. A nevím co s tím.

 CHYBA: java.lang.NullPointerException
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 at

 javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paintExpandControl(SynthTreeUI.java:
600)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.paint(SynthTreeUI.java:417)
 at javax.swing.plaf.synth.SynthTreeUI.update(SynthTreeUI.java:271)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintComponent(JComponent.java:769)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paint(JComponent.java:1045)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintToOffscreen(JComponent.java:5210)
 at

 javax.swing.BufferStrategyPaintManager.paint(BufferStrategyPaintManager.
java:295)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.paint(RepaintManager.java:1249)
 at javax.swing.JComponent._paintImmediately(JComponent.java:5158)
 at javax.swing.JComponent.paintImmediately(JComponent.java:4969)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:808)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager$3.run(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at

 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege
(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:796)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.paintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:769)
 at
 javax.swing.RepaintManager.prePaintDirtyRegions(RepaintManager.java:718)
 at javax.swing.RepaintManager.access$1100(RepaintManager.java:62)
 at

 javax.swing.RepaintManager$ProcessingRunnable.run(RepaintManager.java:
1677)
 at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:251)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:733)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.access$200(EventQueue.java:103)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:694)
 at java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:692)
 at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
 at

 java.security.ProtectionDomain$1.doIntersectionPrivilege
(ProtectionDomain.java:76)
 at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:703)
 at

 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.
java:242)
 at

 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.
java:161)
 at

 java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.
java:154)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$2.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:182)
 at java.awt.WaitDispatchSupport$4.run(WaitDispatchSupport.java:221)
 at

Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí

2014-09-10 Per discussione Marián Kyral



-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Marián Kyral mky...@email.cz
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 10. 9. 2014 9:51:16
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Tracer - změna distribuce nových verzí




Spravne jmeno balicku - kdyz mam soubor
org/openstreetmap/josm/plugins/tracer/ConnectWays/ConnectWays.java,
tak balicek by mel byt
org.openstreetmap.josm.plugins.tracer.ConnectWays. Tj stejny jako
cesta k souboru, akorat misto lomitka je tam tecka.




OK. Večer na to mrknu.







Nějak takhle? https://github.com/mkyral/josm-tracer/commit/a474535e2dbbd0e3
ebd74fcf3d99554812aa86e0




Bylo s tím více práce, než jsem čekal.

Marián

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] rendu qa : analyse par commune

2014-09-10 Per discussione didier2020

petite mise a jour (depuis janvier)

Le jeudi 04 septembre 2014 à 20:54 +0200, Jérôme Amagat a écrit : 
 Avec les fichier du 28/08 et du 01/09 et quelques additions et
 soustractions dans excel on peut obtenir l'évolution sur ses 4 jours.
 Ça donne : 12 communes vecteur en plus.
 2252 carré qui ont eu droit a leurs habitation et 720 leur route.
 Ça veut dire que l'on a donné à 30600 personnes une maison et à 2900
 une route pour rentrer chez eux!
 Au niveau des communes :
 40 communes vecteur de plus ont nbcab=0 (44 pour nbcad=2) donc en
 moyenne par jour (sur 4 jours) 10 communes ont obtenu leur bâti.
 44 commune de plus ont nbcaw=0  donc 11 par jour récupèrent une bonne
 partie de leur route.
 
 
 Bon tous ça bien sur si c'est bien tous les bâtiments et toutes les
 routes du carré qui sont ajouté.
c'est le hic avec l'analyse qa...,
après il faut utiliser le layer bano : les noms de rue en rouge sans
route ...

 
 
 Le 2 septembre 2014 17:50, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a
 écrit :
 
 Le 2 septembre 2014 17:40, Frédéric Rodrigo
 fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : 
 
 Le voila le rythme d'intégration depuis 2011 et jour
 par jour :
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/graph.png?item=7010
 
 Basé sur les repères géodésiques, donc peut importe le
 status cadastral de la commune.
 
 Frédéric. 
 
 
 En extrapolant, on est passé grosso-modo de 4 à moins de
 2 en un peu plus de trois ans, donc dans 3 ans on sera
 raccord ;) 
 
 
 Mais entre temps le gros challenge sera la mise à jour. 
 
 
 Pour les besoins de BANO sur l'extraction des leux-dits, on a
 (bientôt|déjà) en base tout les bâtiments, ce qui devrait
 permettre de faire des analyses croisées systématiques et de
 proposer à terme des outils pour se simplifier la tâche de
 mise à jour. 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Géocacheurs...

2014-09-10 Per discussione Mides

Et grands utilisateurs de fonds cartographiques, d'où un intérêt certain
pour OSM autant  dans l'enrichissement de la base que dans la visualisation
des données.

Bon Mega !

Michel

Le 10 septembre 2014 00:09, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a
écrit :

 Le 9 septembre 2014 22:44, Eric Debeau eric.deb...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Idée super intéressante. J'ai démarré ma contribution active à OSM par
 rapport à mon activité de géo-caching et je connais quelques géocacheurs
 qui seraient aussi volontaires pour contribuer à OSM.



 C'est une communauté vers laquelle nous devrions tisser plus de liens.
 Terrain + GPS + curieux... les ingrédients de base sont là !

 Nous serons présent au Mega event à Jabline (77) en octobre... stand +
 cartopartie.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Lancement campagne de financement OSM-FR

J'ai sorti la grosse artillerie... envoi d'un appel aux dons à nos abonnés
à notre bulletin sur le site web, c'est à dire plus de 1 destinataires
(ok, moitié sont des adresses utilisées pour envoyer des spam).

Prochain envoi: les inscrits aux SOTM passés, et les destinataires des
mailings liés aux évènements. Ca doit encore faire un lot de 2000...

Le compteur de l'OSMthon monte ! ;)



Le 10 septembre 2014 00:26, Ab_fab gamma@gmail.com a écrit :

 Un argument non négligeable ^^

 Le 10 septembre 2014 00:15, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a
 écrit :

 Le 10 septembre 2014 00:08, Pierre-Yves Berrard 
 pierre.yves.berr...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Le don à OpenStreetMap France ouvre droit à déduction fiscale car il
 remplit les conditions générales prévues aux articles 200 et 238 bis du
 code général des impôts.
 C'est tout récent ça, non ?


 Non, pas vraiment.
 Nous répondons aux critères de l'intérêt général. C'est aussi simple que
 ça.
 C'est la première fois que nous faisons un appel au dons, c'est surtout
 ça qui est nouveau.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Pieren

2014-09-05 10:27 GMT+02:00 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com:

 Vous pouvez aider à la traduction sur :
 http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSMF-Template_agreement-FR

Je vois un problème potentiel avec cette convention. Celle-ci demande
explicitement de citer la zone géographique du chapitre local. Hors
l'assoc osm-fr ne se fixe pas de limite géographique et une partie de
ses activités couvre des pays autres que la France, souvent
francophones, qui n'ont pas les moyens d'avoir un chapitre local. Que
faire ? Est-ce que cette question a été couverte dans le groupe de
travail chargé de cette convention ?

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[OSM-talk-fr] cadastre entierement vectorisé pour la haute corse

2014-09-10 Per discussione didier2020

tout est dans le titre ... 


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comparaison OSM/Route500

2014-09-10 Per discussione didier2020

Existe-t-il une source publique, de référence, pour les
définitions des références des voies départementales ?

a l'époque de la D.D.E. (rip), c'était la C.D.E.S. qui gérait ça.
Maintenant, il faudrait trouver par département le service en charge

Sinon je pencherais pour une recherche de comptage routier sur
data.gouv.fr


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Philippe Verdy

Disons que lgalement l'assos est française; et qu'elle collabore avec des
activités dans d'autres pays.

Inclure ces autres pays pourrait poser des problèmes pour la fondation
future d'autres chapitres (je pense en particulier à des pays capables de
s'organiser comme la Belgique, le Canada, la Suisse, le Luxembourg

Mais même des pays d'Afrique du Nord comme le Maroc ou la Tunisie qui
pourraient avancer vers leurs propres chapitres.

Ce sera plus difficile pour des pays très pauvres et en grande difficulté
comme le Mali ou le Burkina Faso de s'organiser localement mais les
collaborations restent possibles et sont déjà en vigueur entre la France et
ces pays)

Donc zone géographique locale = France (y compris toute l'outre-mer ? ou un
chapitre local pour le Pacifique collaborant mieux avec les pays voisins
serait-il envisageable ?). A moins qu'on inclut aussi les autres régions
francophones européennes (surtout la Région wallone et Bruxelles, et la
Suisse romande) et canadiennes (essentiellement Québec et Ontario) sans
prétendre aller au delà.

Mais les activités indiquées peuvent mentionner aussi l'intérêt
linguistique (toute la Francophonie) notamment pour la toponymie; et les
collaborations internationales soutenues par la France (et d'autres pays
francophones).

La difficulté est surtout dans la légalité des dons reçus et le régime
fiscal (surtout si on sort de l'Union européenne; y compris pour la Suisse,
Andorre; Monaco, Jersey et Guernesey)...

... beaucoup plus que le seul aspect linguistique. D'ailleurs OSM France
n'a pas vocation à soutenir que le seul français et soutiendra aussi les
langues régionales (notamment breton, catalan, occitan, corse, alsacien et
même néerlandais qui est en core parlé dans le Nord; mais aussi les langues
mélanésiennes et polynésiennes et les créoles caribéens et réunionnais). LA
langue française ne concerne pas non plus que la France.

Le chapitre a besoin de mentionner son domaine de compétence où sa légalité
peut être revendiquée. L'asso étant de droit français (ou européen?) c'est
là dessus que porte la question: droit, financement, régime fiscal, devise,
comptabilité, et en cas de problème, pouvoir désigner une cours compétente.

Pour les autres collaborations internationales, les transferts de fonds ou
de moyens doivent s'appuyer sur deux législations et faire l'objet de
contrats et de contrôle spécifique dans le cadre des statuts et du droit
àapplicable à l'asso noationale; mais c'est au cas par cas et chaque
chapitre sera responsable de citer les moyens utilisés, furnis ou reçus
d'autres chapitre ou de la Fondation et d'en faire des rapports séparément
(même si ces rapports sont identiques car rédigés conjointement, ils
devront être signés/approuvés par les deux assos dans ce cas).


Le 10 septembre 2014 11:24, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2014-09-05 10:27 GMT+02:00 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com:

  Vous pouvez aider à la traduction sur :
  http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSMF-Template_agreement-FR

 Je vois un problème potentiel avec cette convention. Celle-ci demande
 explicitement de citer la zone géographique du chapitre local. Hors
 l'assoc osm-fr ne se fixe pas de limite géographique et une partie de
 ses activités couvre des pays autres que la France, souvent
 francophones, qui n'ont pas les moyens d'avoir un chapitre local. Que
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

C'est une notion de zone exclusive, c'est à dire que l'OSMF s'engage à ne
pas avoir d'autre Local Chapter sur la zone que l'on indique.
Pour nous cette zone correspond donc à la France et rien de plus.

Ceci ne nous empêche pas d'aider, d'intervenir sur d'autres zones, où
d'autres Local Chapters pourront se créer éventuellement avec notre soutien
pour amorcer la pompe comme on a pu déjà le faire.



Le 10 septembre 2014 11:24, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2014-09-05 10:27 GMT+02:00 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com:

  Vous pouvez aider à la traduction sur :
  http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSMF-Template_agreement-FR

 Je vois un problème potentiel avec cette convention. Celle-ci demande
 explicitement de citer la zone géographique du chapitre local. Hors
 l'assoc osm-fr ne se fixe pas de limite géographique et une partie de
 ses activités couvre des pays autres que la France, souvent
 francophones, qui n'ont pas les moyens d'avoir un chapitre local. Que
 faire ? Est-ce que cette question a été couverte dans le groupe de
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Yannick VOYEAUD

Le 10/09/2014 14:52, Christian Quest a écrit :
 C'est une notion de zone exclusive, c'est à dire que l'OSMF s'engage à
 ne pas avoir d'autre Local Chapter sur la zone que l'on indique.
 Pour nous cette zone correspond donc à la France et rien de plus.

Bonjour,

Donc France métropolitaine (corse inclue) ou France politique donc avec
TOUS les DOM et TOM?

Je suppute la seconde solution mais bien de le dire clairement.

Amitiés

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Francescu GAROBY

France métropolitaine (corse inclue) : pléonasme ! La Corse fait partie
de la France métropolitaine.

Francescu

Le 10 septembre 2014 15:14, Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org a écrit :

 Le 10/09/2014 14:52, Christian Quest a écrit :
  C'est une notion de zone exclusive, c'est à dire que l'OSMF s'engage à
  ne pas avoir d'autre Local Chapter sur la zone que l'on indique.
  Pour nous cette zone correspond donc à la France et rien de plus.

 Bonjour,

 Donc France métropolitaine (corse inclue) ou France politique donc avec
 TOUS les DOM et TOM?

 Je suppute la seconde solution mais bien de le dire clairement.

 Amitiés

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

Mon expérience passée dans l'associatif sportif me fait dire que calquer
une organisation sur l'organisation de notre mille-feuilles administratif
permet d'avoir à chaque niveau un correspondant.
Par exemple, les fédérations sportives s'occupent de l'échelon national,
puis ligues sont le relais en région, puis les comités départementaux avec
les département, et les clubs locaux avec les communes.
Ca permet à terme de tisser un réseau plus efficace pour toucher chaque
niveau.

Donc ça me semblerai plus cohérent qu'OSM-FR couvre métropole + DOM/COM
(finit les TOM), et d'avoir des structures plus locale là où c'est possible
(présence d'une communauté). Je pense qu'elles auront plus de poids à
s'appuyer sur OSM-FR qui pourra mutualiser des moyens divers qu'à être
complètement autonome.

Qu'en pensez-vous ?



Le 10 septembre 2014 15:14, Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org a écrit :

 Le 10/09/2014 14:52, Christian Quest a écrit :
  C'est une notion de zone exclusive, c'est à dire que l'OSMF s'engage à
  ne pas avoir d'autre Local Chapter sur la zone que l'on indique.
  Pour nous cette zone correspond donc à la France et rien de plus.

 Bonjour,

 Donc France métropolitaine (corse inclue) ou France politique donc avec
 TOUS les DOM et TOM?

 Je suppute la seconde solution mais bien de le dire clairement.

 Amitiés

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Yannick VOYEAUD

Le 10/09/2014 15:28, Christian Quest a écrit :
 Mon expérience passée dans l'associatif sportif me fait dire que calquer
 une organisation sur l'organisation de notre mille-feuilles
 administratif permet d'avoir à chaque niveau un correspondant.
 Par exemple, les fédérations sportives s'occupent de l'échelon national,
 puis ligues sont le relais en région, puis les comités départementaux
 avec les département, et les clubs locaux avec les communes.
 Ca permet à terme de tisser un réseau plus efficace pour toucher chaque
 niveau.
 
 Donc ça me semblerai plus cohérent qu'OSM-FR couvre métropole + DOM/COM
 (finit les TOM), et d'avoir des structures plus locale là où c'est
 possible (présence d'une communauté). Je pense qu'elles auront plus de
 poids à s'appuyer sur OSM-FR qui pourra mutualiser des moyens divers
 qu'à être complètement autonome.
 
 Qu'en pensez-vous ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Francescu GAROBY

D'accord aussi avec la proposition de Christian

Francescu

Le 10 septembre 2014 15:41, Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org a écrit :

 Le 10/09/2014 15:28, Christian Quest a écrit :
  Mon expérience passée dans l'associatif sportif me fait dire que calquer
  une organisation sur l'organisation de notre mille-feuilles
  administratif permet d'avoir à chaque niveau un correspondant.
  Par exemple, les fédérations sportives s'occupent de l'échelon national,
  puis ligues sont le relais en région, puis les comités départementaux
  avec les département, et les clubs locaux avec les communes.
  Ca permet à terme de tisser un réseau plus efficace pour toucher chaque
  niveau.
 
  Donc ça me semblerai plus cohérent qu'OSM-FR couvre métropole + DOM/COM
  (finit les TOM), et d'avoir des structures plus locale là où c'est
  possible (présence d'une communauté). Je pense qu'elles auront plus de
  poids à s'appuyer sur OSM-FR qui pourra mutualiser des moyens divers
  qu'à être complètement autonome.
 
  Qu'en pensez-vous ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Pieren

2014-09-10 15:28 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:
 Mon expérience passée dans l'associatif sportif me fait dire que calquer une
 organisation sur l'organisation de notre mille-feuilles administratif permet
 d'avoir à chaque niveau un correspondant.

Euh, mauvais exemple. La polynésie et la nve-caledonie ont leur propre
fédération de foot, me semble-t-il. Théoriquement, une finale de coupe
du monde France vs Tahiti est possible ^^

 Donc ça me semblerai plus cohérent qu'OSM-FR couvre métropole + DOM/COM
 (finit les TOM), et d'avoir des structures plus locale là où c'est possible
 (présence d'une communauté). Je pense qu'elles auront plus de poids à
 s'appuyer sur OSM-FR qui pourra mutualiser des moyens divers qu'à être
 complètement autonome.

 Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Il n'y a pas déjà une association OSM en Nle-Calédonie ? Il me semble
avoir vu un message passé sur ce sujet. Il faudrait peut-être alors
voir avec eux s'ils n'ont pas d'objection à nous laisser le role de
Chapitre (c'est aussi vrai pour d'autres asso régionales en métropole)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

Pour les COM c'est effectivement moins évident. Je n'ai pas voulu rentrer
dans les détails, c'est plus sur le principe général qu'on doit déjà
trouver un consensus.


Le 10 septembre 2014 15:48, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2014-09-10 15:28 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:
  Mon expérience passée dans l'associatif sportif me fait dire que calquer
 une
  organisation sur l'organisation de notre mille-feuilles administratif
 permet
  d'avoir à chaque niveau un correspondant.

 Euh, mauvais exemple. La polynésie et la nve-caledonie ont leur propre
 fédération de foot, me semble-t-il. Théoriquement, une finale de coupe
 du monde France vs Tahiti est possible ^^

  Donc ça me semblerai plus cohérent qu'OSM-FR couvre métropole + DOM/COM
  (finit les TOM), et d'avoir des structures plus locale là où c'est
 possible
  (présence d'une communauté). Je pense qu'elles auront plus de poids à
  s'appuyer sur OSM-FR qui pourra mutualiser des moyens divers qu'à être
  complètement autonome.
 
  Qu'en pensez-vous ?

 Il n'y a pas déjà une association OSM en Nle-Calédonie ? Il me semble
 avoir vu un message passé sur ce sujet. Il faudrait peut-être alors
 voir avec eux s'ils n'ont pas d'objection à nous laisser le role de
 Chapitre (c'est aussi vrai pour d'autres asso régionales en métropole)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Frédéric Rodrigo

Les status de chapitres n'interdisent pas l'existence de chapitres d'une 
zone géographique plus petite (ou plus grande). Il faut juste l'accord 
des chapitres déjà en place.


Le 10/09/2014 15:48, Pieren a écrit :

2014-09-10 15:28 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:

Mon expérience passée dans l'associatif sportif me fait dire que calquer une
organisation sur l'organisation de notre mille-feuilles administratif permet
d'avoir à chaque niveau un correspondant.


Euh, mauvais exemple. La polynésie et la nve-caledonie ont leur propre
fédération de foot, me semble-t-il. Théoriquement, une finale de coupe
du monde France vs Tahiti est possible ^^


Donc ça me semblerai plus cohérent qu'OSM-FR couvre métropole + DOM/COM
(finit les TOM), et d'avoir des structures plus locale là où c'est possible
(présence d'une communauté). Je pense qu'elles auront plus de poids à
s'appuyer sur OSM-FR qui pourra mutualiser des moyens divers qu'à être
complètement autonome.

Qu'en pensez-vous ?


Il n'y a pas déjà une association OSM en Nle-Calédonie ? Il me semble
avoir vu un message passé sur ce sujet. Il faudrait peut-être alors
voir avec eux s'ils n'ont pas d'objection à nous laisser le role de
Chapitre (c'est aussi vrai pour d'autres asso régionales en métropole)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Lancement campagne de financement OSM-FR

2014-09-10 Per discussione JB

C'est juste chez moi, ou il manque les dernières 25 minutes de
l'émission en réécoute ? Alors, OSM a traversé le standard, ou pas ?

JB.

Le 09/09/2014 18:48, Christian Quest a écrit :
Ce soir sur France-Inter... Le téléphone sonne est consacré au
crowdfunding...

Si vous avez du temps à partir de 19h30, n'hésitez pas à appeler le
standard, on ne sait jamais on peut arriver à passer à l'antenne et ça
sera le coup de fil à 1 ;)

Le 9 septembre 2014 17:23, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

C'est modifié. Merci !

Le 9 septembre 2014 17:14, Stéphane Péneau
stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr mailto:stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr a
écrit :

Hello,

Je me suis permis de faire quelques modifs sur le texte qui
n'était pas toujours très clair :

Le premier objectif est de compléter les serveurs actuels par
des SSD de 1To plus performants.

Le premier objectif est de compléter les serveurs actuels avec
des SSD de 1To plus performants.

Ceci permettra d'offrir des services de meilleure qualité,
plus réactifs ainsi que de nouveaux services.

Ceci permettra d'offrir des services de meilleure qualité,
plus réactifs ainsi que de nouveaux outils.

Ce serveur sera aussi utile lors des crises humanitaires comme
nous avons pu le faire à plusieurs reprises pour héberger des
images satellite utilisée afn de gérer la charge
supplémentaire que cela représente.

Ce serveur sera aussi utile pour gérer la charge
supplémentaire lors des crises humanitaires. Il hébergera des
images satellites, comme nous avons pu le faire à plusieurs
reprises.

Afin de vous donner une idée des montants, nous avons indiqué
à quoi chaque don correspond approximativement.

Afin de vous donner une idée des montants, nous avons indiqué
à quoi correspond approximativement chaque don.

Stf

Le mardi 9 septembre 2014 08:53:12, Christian Quest a écrit :

Hier soir, lors de notre fête des 10 ans d'OSM au NUMA
nous avons
lancé notre première collecte pour faire évoluer notre
infrastructure
matérielle (achat de SSD, achat d'un nouveau serveur,
upgrade en RAM,
etc).

Vous le savez, OpenStreetMap France fournit grâce à une
dizaine de
serveurs des services nombreux et variés aux contributeurs
(osmose,
umap, tuiles, etc).

Ces serveurs ont besoin d'évoluer au fur et à mesure que
le projet et
la communauté grandissent. C'est le but de cet appel aux dons.

Pour participer:

http://www.helloasso.com/associations/openstreetmap-france/collectes/financement-infra-2014

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Emilie Laffray

Bonjour Pieren,

Ce point a été couvert lors du groupe de travail et il est prévu que cette
convention englobe HOT aussi ou d'autres chapter potentiellement thématique
(qui n'ont pas de bases géographiques précises)
C'est un point sur lequel j'ai bataillé pendant pas mal de temps, montrant
le travail que OSM-FR a fait dans d'autres pays. La clause est surtout pour
des raisons d’exclusivités territoriales, c'est a dire que la fondation
ne permettra pas deux chapters français concurrents si le premier refuse et
cela pour des raisons de représentations (La fondation doit savoir vers qui
envoyer des personnes pour un territoire). Dans le cas de la nouvelle
Calédonie, nous pouvons clairement laisse un autre chapter apparaître mais
nous serons consultés. Ça ne posera pas de problème.
La clause aussi nous permet aussi d'intervenir en dehors de France du
moment que c'est des missions qualifiées et en accord avec le chapter local
s'il y en a un.
Je tiens a remercier Frédéric car je devais me charger de la traduction
mais mes journées sont surchargées en ce moment.
Il faut noter que c'est WMF Italie qui est le local chapter OSM en Italie
par exemple.

2014-09-10 2:24 GMT-07:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:

 2014-09-05 10:27 GMT+02:00 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com:

  Vous pouvez aider à la traduction sur :
  http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSMF-Template_agreement-FR

 Je vois un problème potentiel avec cette convention. Celle-ci demande
 explicitement de citer la zone géographique du chapitre local. Hors
 l'assoc osm-fr ne se fixe pas de limite géographique et une partie de
 ses activités couvre des pays autres que la France, souvent
 francophones, qui n'ont pas les moyens d'avoir un chapitre local. Que
 faire ? Est-ce que cette question a été couverte dans le groupe de
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[OSM-talk-fr] Présentation EOF = Espace OSM Francophone

2014-09-10 Per discussione Augustin Doury

Salut à tous,

Pour ceux qui étaient là aux 10 ans d'OSM au Numa lundi - et aussi pour les
absents ! - vous trouverez la présentation que j'ai donné sur le projet
Espace OSM Francophone ici :
http://fr.slideshare.net/augustindoury/10ans-osm-espace-osm-francophone-eof

C'est une présentation courte, qui va à l'essentiel, et donne une vue
globale des dispositifs de déploiement du projet OSM en pays francophone du
Sud - via un panel d'activités permettant un travail au niveau
individuel/communautaire et plus largement au niveau écosystème-pays.

Si intéressés, ne pas hésiter à vous abonner à la mailing HOT Francophone :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot-francophone

Augustin Doury
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Adhésion de OSM en tant que chapitre local de la Fondation OSM

2014-09-10 Per discussione Emilie Laffray

Salut Philippe,

Je ne crois pas qu'il y a d'ambitions de certains administrateurs
britanniques de prendre le contrôle de OSM en premier lieu. Ils sont pour
certains points les gardiens du temple notamment pour la carte et les
différents services comme l'API (et TomH est incroyablement compétent et
n'accorde sa confiance qu’après que tu aies prouve que tu sais de quoi tu
parles) et ça n'est pas choquant. Je tiens a préciser que sur pas mal de
points j'ai fait partie (et je fais toujours partie) de ce groupe de
britannique notamment les serveurs mais on a aussi une allemande présente
qui gère les serveurs de Nominatim.
Il ne faut pas voir de conspirations la ou il n'y en a pas. C'est juste
qu'historiquement par exemple pour les serveurs il etait plus facile pour
les initiateurs du projet de s'occuper des serveurs quand tu es sur place
et que tu ne donnes pas les cles du royaume du serveur a n'importe qui sans
qu'ils aient prouve qu'ils savaient ce qu'il faut faire.
Je ne vais pas toucher aux serveurs de OSM, et de OSM-Fr parce que ce n'est
pas mon métier (et TomH ne fera pas confiance si je touche aux serveurs non
sans raison) mais mon métier consiste a créer des architectures et c'est a
ce titre que j'interviens dans l'Operation Working Group.
Pour le reste, il y a deux instance dirigeantes dans la fondation, le
bureau et le management working group (qui est plus la communauté). Nous
sommes en train de regarder pour essayer de donner un siège aux chapter
dans le management working group. Ce n'est pas encore fait mais c'est une
voie qui est en train d’être exploré. Cela permettrait d'avoir un rapport
plus intéressant face a la fondation.

2014-09-10 8:23 GMT-07:00 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr:

 Et rien n'interdit non plus d'adhérer à OSM France même si on n'est pas
 français ou ne réside pas en France.
 Cependant un chapitre local a vocation a devenir une entité légale
 reconnue, organisée, apte à gérer des fonds et des engagements financiers,
 et publier un rapport public de ses activités et devenir un interlocuteur
 reconnu sur son territoire.
 Nos amis belges, suisses ou canadiens et même nord-africains peuvent aussi
 avoir un chapitre local mais n'auront pas forcément la même écoute en terme
 linguistique si leur chapitre local fixe d'autres priorités vers
 l'allemand, le néerlandais ou l'anglais (ou encore l'arabe). C'est pour ça
 que même si des chapitres s'établissent dans ces pays; il doit y exister un
 accord assez large au plan linguistique, sinon il y aura des chapitre plus
 régionaux dans ces pays (mais ils se heurteront à la difficulté de la
 répartition des subventions publiques d'origine nationale).
 Au plan européen c'est plus facile puisque l'UE est multilingue et
 soutient au moins toutes les langues officielles nationale de ses membres
 (mais pas les langues régionales qui ont un soutien plus limité que les
 langues de traités; l'UE pouvant demander alors des traductions, et même
 des traductions pour les langues autre que ses langues de travail).
 OSM France toutefois en étant reconnu comme chapitre fera bénéficier d'un
 plus large soutien linguistique au sein de la Fondation. Elle pourra aussi
 défendre ses modèles de données applicables au moins sur son territoire (et
 faire taire un peu les ambitions de certains administrateurs britanniques
 et quelques conflits comme dans le passé). Le but étant d'éviter un split
 complet par une reconnaissance mutuelle, avec une certaine interopérabilité
 sur ce qui est commun (souvent selon les normes européennes ou celles des
 agences de l'ONU et grands organismes de normalisation) dans une partie du
 schéma (complétée par des tags nationaux spécifiques; comme ceux de la
 classification de nos écoles, ou la classification purement anglaise des
 parcs et jardins qu'on n'a pas à imiter telle quelle en France).


 Le 10 septembre 2014 14:52, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a
 écrit :

 C'est une notion de zone exclusive, c'est à dire que l'OSMF s'engage à
 ne pas avoir d'autre Local Chapter sur la zone que l'on indique.
 Pour nous cette zone correspond donc à la France et rien de plus.

 Ceci ne nous empêche pas d'aider, d'intervenir sur d'autres zones, où
 d'autres Local Chapters pourront se créer éventuellement avec notre soutien
 pour amorcer la pompe comme on a pu déjà le faire.



 Le 10 septembre 2014 11:24, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2014-09-05 10:27 GMT+02:00 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com:


  Vous pouvez aider à la traduction sur :
  http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSMF-Template_agreement-FR

 Je vois un problème potentiel avec cette convention. Celle-ci demande
 explicitement de citer la zone géographique du chapitre local. Hors
 l'assoc osm-fr ne se fixe pas de limite géographique et une partie de
 ses activités couvre des pays autres que la France, souvent
 francophones, qui n'ont pas les moyens d'avoir un chapitre local. Que
 faire ? Est-ce que cette question a été couverte dans le groupe de
 travail chargé

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