Re: [Talk-it] Download mappe

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 12. Jun 2017, at 17:50, Gianluca Boero  wrote:
> 
> Scusate...mi sono perso un pezzo...dal wiki di Osm alla sezione download, vi 
> è l'indicazione per scaricare la mappa di Osm dal server Gfoss.it
> 
> http://download.gfoss.it/osm/garmin/
> 
> solo che non è più attivo...quale è ora la procedura per il download?


guarda qui: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

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Re: [Talk-de] Datenschutz bei OSM - Schweiz

[Markus]

Hallo Frederik,

> Fürsorgepflicht gegenüber unseren Mappern 
> vor möglichem Datenmissbrauch schützen

Zufällig stosse ich auf ein Gutachten des Eidgenössischen Datenschutz
und Öffentlichkeitsbeauftagten der Schweiz.
https://www.edoeb.admin.ch/datenschutz/00628/00665/00681/index.html?lang=de

Ich vermute, das hat tiefgreifende Auswirkungen auf unsere Arbeit...

Der entscheidende Punkt:
*die Verknüpfung mit Personendaten begrenzen oder verunmöglichen*

"begrenzen" meint:
"Frederik arbeitet mit" oder
"Frederik hat 2016 ##-tausend Punkte eingetragen" ist möglicherweise ok,
"Frederik hat folgende Daten eingetragen" ist ohne seine explizite
Zustimmung nicht ok.

> Jeder, der unser Planetfile runterlädt und verarbeitet, wird
> unwillkürlich zum Verarbeiter persönlicher Daten

Ja, das Planetfile darf m.E. nur anonymisiert verbreitet werden.

> * Wer sich drum kümmert, kann heute schon seine Daten in OSM schützen,
> und die, denen das wichtig ist, die wissen meist auch, was sie machen
> müssen.

Das ist nicht ausreichend.

Erforderlich ist ein Opt-In-Verfahren, also eine ausdrückliche
qualifizierte Zustimmung zur nicht anonymisierten Datenerfassung,
bzw. der automatischen Ablehnung einer Nicht-Anonymisierung, wenn nicht
explizit zugestimmt wird.

Ich vermute, eine solche Zustimmung würden nur wenige erteilen.
Es ist aus datenschutzrechtlicher Sicht sinnvoll, die Daten
grundsätzlich zu anonymisieren.

Ein Zugriff auf die Verknüpfungstabelle wäre dann ausschliesslich der
DWG gestattet. Die Möglichkeit für Dritte muss technisch ausgeschlossen
sein.

> * Egal, was wir tun oder nicht tun, wir sollten eventuell dafür sorgen,
> dass neue Benutzer ganz genau wissen, was sie tun und was über sie
> später ermittelbar ist. 

Das ist sowohl für Daten in DE als auch in CH zwingend.

> im deutschen Recht, der Datenschutz stärker als das Urherber- 
> oder Datenbankschutzrecht oder irgendwelche Lizenztexte.

Gilt auch für CH.

Mit herzlichem Gruss,
Markus

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Re: [OSM-ja] 6/17 開催 東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ：第９回 旧芝離宮恩賜庭園

[yasunari yamashita]

山下です。皆さん、こんにちわ。

東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ：第９回 旧芝離宮恩賜庭園
https://openstreetmap.connpass.com/event/57776/
今週末の開催です。

皆さんの参加をお待ちしています！！

2017年5月26日 0:24 yasunari yamashita :

> 山下です。皆さん、こんにちわ。
>
> 来月は芝離宮に行きます。
> 行ったことあります？
>
> 東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ：第９回 旧芝離宮恩賜庭園
> https://openstreetmap.connpass.com/event/57776/
> 皆さんの参加をお待ちしています！
> --
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>



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Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

[Brian May]

That did the trick. I never thought to try and close that. So its hidden 
by default, whereas on the weather forecast map that you see first, it 
is not. And Mapbox is prominently displayed on the lower left, so I 
figured that was the attribution.


Thanks,

Brian

On 6/12/2017 8:01 PM, joe.saple...@charter.net wrote:


If you close the All Layers window it appears in the lower right, just 
like on the other implementations on their site.  Is this what you are 
looking for?


Joe

*From: *Brian May 
*Sent: *Monday, June 12, 2017 9:38 AM
*To: *talk-us@openstreetmap.org 
*Cc: *hans.dekryge...@gmail.com 
*Subject: *Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

I used that MapBox form a couple months ago to notify missing OSM 
attribution for the WunderMap at wunderground.com, e.g. 
https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=27.17=-80.29=1


Just checked and no changes. I'm pretty sure its an OSM basemap due to 
checking features I have added that aren't on other maps.


Brian

 On 6/9/2017 5:50 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:

Report it here
https://www.mapbox.com/blog/report-attribution-problems/


*Regards,*

*Hans*

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mike Thompson > wrote:

Looks like I am no longer a member of the "Talk" mailing list,
so I will try here:

https://mapnoco.org/results-intersection-quality

The above site uses OSM as a basemap.

Looks like the tiles come from Mapbox:

https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/uis.map-561ra9g7/15/6814/12356.png

I was unable to find any attribution that credits OSM.

1) Did I miss the attribution? Is it somewhere on the page?

2) Does someone have a nicely worded template that uses all of
the proper terminology which I could adapt and send to the
site owner?

Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

[joe.sapletal]

If you close the All Layers window it appears in the lower right, just like on 
the other implementations on their site.  Is this what you are looking for?

Joe



From: Brian May
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 9:38 AM
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Cc: hans.dekryge...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

I used that MapBox form a couple months ago to notify missing OSM attribution 
for the WunderMap at wunderground.com, e.g. 
https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=27.17=-80.29=1

Just checked and no changes. I'm pretty sure its an OSM basemap due to checking 
features I have added that aren't on other maps. 

Brian

 On 6/9/2017 5:50 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:
Report it here https://www.mapbox.com/blog/report-attribution-problems/


Regards,
Hans

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
Looks like I am no longer a member of the "Talk" mailing list, so I will try 
here: 

https://mapnoco.org/results-intersection-quality   
   
The above site uses OSM as a basemap.    
   
Looks like the tiles come from Mapbox:   
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/uis.map-561ra9g7/15/6814/12356.png   
   
I was unable to find any attribution that credits OSM.

1) Did I miss the attribution? Is it somewhere on the page? 
2) Does someone have a nicely worded template that uses all of the proper 
terminology which I could adapt and send to the site owner?

Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] mise en correspondance Wikidata / OpenStreerMap

[Jérôme Amagat]

J'ai testé aussi

2017-06-12 22:44 GMT+02:00 :

> Je regardé une commune sur laquelle un mauvais rapprochement Wikidata/OSM
> avait été fait (mauvais bâtiment suite à un positionnement géographique
> imprécis dans Wikidata) et corrigé.
>
> Des plus :
> - il propose d'ajouter des attributs assez logiques (par exemple si on a
> la branche de la religion mais pas la religion il propose d'ajouter
> religion=christian (je suis en Bretagne ;-))
>
> Des moins :
> - il ne présente pas les données OSM de même wikidata. Gros risque de
> doublon.
>
> En fait comme le montre la requête il cherche certains tags. Pas forcément
> indiqués. Il devrait aussi chercher les tag wikidata car on peut avoir mis
> l'attribut mais pas tout renseigné comme prévu par l'auteur de l'outil.
>
> Donc beaucoup de non trouvés et de risque d'ajouter des doublons.
>
Tout a fait d’accord là il y a un truc a améliorer surtout que ces sûrement
pas le plus compliqué. (il faut ajouté la recherche de wikidata=* dans la
requête overpass et après vérifier les valeur en Q*)


> - c'est une liste d'attributs à ajouter, pas de contribution directe
> possible en validant les attributs (comme le fait Osmose).
>
> Là je suis moins affirmatif, je ne suis tombé que sur des trouvés ou pas
> trouvés, pas des à compléter.
>
> En mettant l'interface d'Osmose là dessus, ça pourrait être redoutable.
>
> Le point recherché qui a bien le wikidata qui va bien :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4857146762
>
> La requête faite : https://osm.wikidata.link/matcher/relation/7560
> 
>
> Un cas pathologique : chapelle Saint-Mathieu de Guidel (Q2956914)
> 
>
>- possible OSM tags: *building=church*, amenity=place_of_worship,
>religion=christian, *building=chapel*
>
> J'ai trouvé la chapelle en question sur osm :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/70438262#map=19/47.75675/-3.48304
>
> Elle a tous les attributs voulus, sauf building=chapelle car elle a
> building=church.
>
> La requête Overpass la trouve bien :
>
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pHE
>
> Je suppose que le post traitement élimine les chapelles qui ne sont pas
> des église et réciproquement.
>
> Donc piste intéressante mais il y a encore un peu de boulot !
>
Il y a un problème avec les églises et chapelles mais je pense pas que
c'est ça. je pense qu'il recherche l'un des 4 tags de osm mais le problème
c'est qu'il doit comparer les noms et c'est là où il y a un problème dans
ton exemple, pour l'un c'est "Chapelle Saint-Mathieu" et l'autre "chapelle
Saint-Mathieu de Guidel" et le "de guidel" fait que c'est pas la même chose
et donc pas de rapprochement. Et c'est la même problème avec toutes les
églises ou presque, dans wikidata il y a toujours le "de bidule" et le plus
souvent il n'y est pas dans OSM.

Je suis tombé sur des endroit où on me proposait des rapprochements  et ça
ma permis d'ajouté des tag wikipedia (l'envoi du changeset et bien long par
le site).
On peut rechercher par canton ou par arrondissement départemental (quand
pas trop grand) ça permet d'avoir un plus grand nombre de résultats dans
wikidata et donc plus de chance d'avoir des rapprochements manquants que
par commune surtout dans les zones rurales.

Par contre, les essais que j'ai fait ne m'ont pas trop donné envie de me
servir de la liste des "no match" pour aller chercher et améliorer dans
osm. Pour ce que j'ai testé le tag wikidata existait déjà et les tags était
bon mais le rapprochement n'avait pas été fait sûrement  parce que les tags
recherchés n’était pas bon ou l'orthographe différait entre wikidata et OSM.
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[talk-au] Ozie windmills

[Warin]

Hi,

There looks to be a good tag to use for the old windmills

man_made=windpump

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwindpump

This separates it from the European wind mills that have fabric blades

 man_made=windmill
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwindmill

I'll make an addition to the Australian tagging guide wiki page later.


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Re: [Talk-es] Conflicto sobre el uso de notas en Galicia (o no)

[André Outeiro]

No intervengo nada, pero si leo los debates para aprender y poder mapear
más y mejor.

Se puede tener razon o no, pero más importante que eso es la falta de
educación y respeto, por parte de Nemigo, por el trabajo de los gallegos y
no en los mapas y notas en Galiza. Parece que todos somos unos vagos por no
hacer ediciones a la ligera. El trabajo previo de aprender lo que otros han
acordado, lo que otros hacen, leer manuales es tan importante como el
trabajo de edición. De poco serviría tener muchos usuarios que editen
continuamente, si lo hacen sin criterios comunes. OSM  es más que un mapa,
es trabajo de comunidad.

Sin más un saludo procastinador.

2017-06-12 12:53 GMT+02:00 Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso :

> Buenas.
>
> Mi mensaje va a ser bastante corto ya que está todo dicho una y otra vez y
> no quieres entenderlo.
>
> Porque escribas un mensaje más largo no te vas a llevar la razón. Vuelta a
> lo mismo y tú lógica aplastante que ya se te ha dicho que no es válida. Las
> notas no se cierran por antigüedad y claramente no se insulta a la gente.
>
> Si te voy a dar la razón en una cosa. Mientras se escribe aquí no se
> mapea. Si desde el primer mensaje hicieras caso todos podríamos estar
> tranquilamente editando el mapa. Y no tener malas contestaciones por tu
> parte sin motivo alguno.
>
> Yo también voto por expulsarlo por no atender a razones. Insultar y faltar
> al respeto cuando se intenta hablar con el de manera reiterada.
>
> Un saludo.
>
>
> El lun., 12 jun. 2017 1:11, Nemigo  escribió:
>
>> voy a responder al tal usuario seijas... mal que le pesa (me lo ha dicho
>> él
>> mismo)
>>
>> este señor opinó en notas con alusiones personales a mí. No hay problema
>> por
>> esto, cada uno edita o no, es decisión personal
>>
>> Le envié un mensaje personal para informarle de la situación: hay notas
>> hace
>> años a las que nadie responde, hace caso ni lee. Le da igual
>> Me respondió a mi mensaje con otro en el que se queja de que me dirija a
>> él
>> (este usuario me cita, critica y ahora abre hilos en un foro en el que NO
>> participo pero se queja de que le respondan?) Quizá no sepa que las notas
>> de
>> OSM no son para hacer discusiones y mucho menos para arengar a usuarios
>> más
>> veteranos que tú para que hagan lo que tú no haces: MAPEAR... mientras
>> escribes aquí no mapeas... a mí me pasa.
>>
>> Tengo el mensaje de este usuario por si alguien quiere ver la capacidad de
>> diálogo de su compañero.
>>
>> En esta nota se hizo exactamente lo mismo que el critica y parece ser que
>> no
>> hubo problema, apesar de que las acusaciones fueron las mismas:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1019836
>>
>> este otro es el mismo caso, el usuario abrió tres notas con lo mismo, se
>> solucionó y hubo que explicar que no convencer de la solución a otro
>> usuario
>> que no tenía ni idea de que iba la feria
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1021372
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1020707
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1021371
>> Esta nota está criticada por seijas (que no entendió ni papa) el usuario
>> quería poner un acceso a la autopista cruzando una línea continua
>>
>>
>> Pero vamos a las notas de Galiza a las que nadie ha hecho caso durante
>> años
>> (una tiene 4 años de antiguedad y muchas son del usuario rega):
>>
>> *son tus notas seijas, no lo olvides:*
>> Cierra la nota sin añadirla al mapa sin dar razones:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/786444
>> en qué número está? (ese es mi mensaje en la nota)
>> la nota lleva 7 meses abierta, se pide la dirección que falta para añadir,
>> en la nota no lo pone. No se sabe y se cierra la nota, no había más
>> datos. 7
>> meses sin que nadie hiciese nada
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/272532
>> Aparentemente en esta zona está la "Capela de San Paio dos Redos". No
>> consigo situarla.
>> Creado por Rodrigo Rega hai 2 anos
>> el usuario Rodrigo Rega es mapeador habitual, sabe que en los mapas falta
>> mucha información. En dos años no ha sido capaz-no le ha dado la gana de
>> buscar la información. El usuario seijas tampoco buscó esa información (la
>> nota sigue abierta)
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/957984
>> un notario en un segundo piso, 2 meses sin que nadie haga nada. No se sabe
>> la dirección. Tras insistir en que si la sabes la pongan la pone otro
>> usuario (nota cerrada por ese usuario)
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/445120
>> un usuario dice que hay un semáforo en una intersección en una calle da a
>> coruña, eso hace más de un año. Nadie hace ni puto caso. A base de
>> insistir
>> otro usuario lo añade. Ese los miles que faltan, quedan para otra nota o
>> para dentro de más de un año
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/724708
>> gasolinera cerrada, la nota es de hace 9 meses y la nota sigue abierta
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/562313
>> el usuario Rega que abre una nota hace más de un año y sigue sin cerrar la
>> nota (son datos importados del catastro) la nota 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Proposition d’aide à la gestion des serveurs français

[Alarig Le Lay]

Merci pour vos réponses :) (j’en ai eu en privé également)
J’ai donc contacté l’admin et je me suis inscript à la liste tech.
On verra ce que l’avenir nous réserve maintenant :D

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Re: [Talk-it] quale surface? (tanto per cambiare...)

[girarsi_liste]

Il 12/06/2017 22:49, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
> Che peccato che hanno rovinato un'antica strada così.
> Io opterei per la rimozione dell'asfalto (lavoro di volontariato dei 400
> mappatori italiani durante l'estate) e successivamente metterei:
> surface=paving_stones
> smoothness=nearly_good

Per me è cobblestone il surface, paving_stones è questo sul wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Surface_paving_stones.jpg

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 12. Jun 2017, at 22:18, Andrea Musuruane  wrote:
> 
> Explicit permission non è un contratto individuale.


lo è


> E' solo una manleva per non avere problemi.


non è una manleva (se ho capito bene il termine), è il permesso di usare e 
redistribuire i dati sotto certe condizioni.


Qui in realtà alcuni testi sono scritti male (oppure manca davvero la licenza):


> 
> TEC released the data of all the bus/tram stop locations and routes under a 
> CC-BY 4.0 International License. 


non è un problema, vuol dire che i dati sono anche disponibile in cc-by


> 
> Contains data from maps of City of Reggio nell'Emilia provided by Opendata 
> Comune di Reggio Emilia released under CC-By 4.0 - Creative Commons 
> Attribution 4.0.


potrebbe essere sia come sopra che come sotto, dal testo non è molto chiaro. 
Abbiamo la scrittura della Regione, no?



> 
> Kadaster / Beeldmateriaal gave permission to use the aerial photo (luchtfoto) 
> WM(T)S released under the CC-BY 4.0 licence.
> 
> Data downloaded from CartoBCN under the Creative Commons - Attribution 
> License (CC-BY 3.0) (this is a summary, you can read the original document in 
> catalan)


problematici questi due, perché come è scritto sarebbero stati importati dati 
con cc-by 3.0 e 4.0 in osm, cosa non si può seguendo la valutazione della osmf.


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] quale surface? (tanto per cambiare...)

[Alfredo Gattai]

2017-06-12 22:49 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt :

> Che peccato che hanno rovinato un'antica strada così.
> Io opterei per la rimozione dell'asfalto (lavoro di volontariato dei 400
> mappatori italiani durante l'estate) e successivamente metterei:
> surface=paving_stones
> smoothness=nearly_good
>

mi associo allo sdegno, buttare asfalto su una carrareccia storica e'
veramente uno sfregio. Per fortuna l'asfalto durera' meno della
pavimentazione sottostante.
Forse cobblestone potrebbe essere piu' adatto come tipologia?


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Re: [Talk-it] quale surface? (tanto per cambiare...)

[Volker Schmidt]

Che peccato che hanno rovinato un'antica strada così.
Io opterei per la rimozione dell'asfalto (lavoro di volontariato dei 400
mappatori italiani durante l'estate) e successivamente metterei:
surface=paving_stones
smoothness=nearly_good


2017-06-12 22:30 GMT+02:00 girarsi_liste :

> Il 12/06/2017 18:50, demon.box ha scritto:
> > ciao, scusate, ultimamente mi sono imbattuto in lunghi tratti di strade
> > forestale che presentano questa superficie:
> >
> >  281280_x_1024%29.jpg>
> >
> >  281280_x_1024%29.jpg>
> >
> > di base c'è un vecchio selciato in pietra sul quale in modo modo molto
> > irregolare e grossolano è stato "colato" dell'asfalto.
> > quale surface scegliere?
> >
> > se mi baso soprattuto sulla situazione della seconda foto io avrei
> pensato a
> > questo:
> >
> > surface=asphalt
> > smoothness=horrible
> >
> > voi che dite? suggerimenti?
> > grazie
> > --enrico
> >
>
> Per una cosa così mista, starei sul paved, smoothness=very_bad.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] mise en correspondance Wikidata / OpenStreerMap

[osm . sanspourriel]

Je regardé une commune sur laquelle un mauvais rapprochement 
Wikidata/OSM avait été fait (mauvais bâtiment suite à un positionnement 
géographique imprécis dans Wikidata) et corrigé.


Des plus :
- il propose d'ajouter des attributs assez logiques (par exemple si on a 
la branche de la religion mais pas la religion il propose d'ajouter 
religion=christian (je suis en Bretagne ;-))


Des moins :
- il ne présente pas les données OSM de même wikidata. Gros risque de 
doublon.


En fait comme le montre la requête il cherche certains tags. Pas 
forcément indiqués. Il devrait aussi chercher les tag wikidata car on 
peut avoir mis l'attribut mais pas tout renseigné comme prévu par 
l'auteur de l'outil.


Donc beaucoup de non trouvés et de risque d'ajouter des doublons.

- c'est une liste d'attributs à ajouter, pas de contribution directe 
possible en validant les attributs (comme le fait Osmose).


Là je suis moins affirmatif, je ne suis tombé que sur des trouvés ou pas 
trouvés, pas des à compléter.


En mettant l'interface d'Osmose là dessus, ça pourrait être redoutable.

Le point recherché qui a bien le wikidata qui va bien 
:https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4857146762 



La requête faite :https://osm.wikidata.link/matcher/relation/7560 



Un cas pathologique : chapelle Saint-Mathieu de Guidel (Q2956914) 



 * possible OSM tags: *building=church*, amenity=place_of_worship,
   religion=christian, *building=chapel*

J'ai trouvé la chapelle en question sur osm : 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/70438262#map=19/47.75675/-3.48304


Elle a tous les attributs voulus, sauf building=chapelle car elle a 
building=church.


La requête Overpass la trouve bien :

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pHE

Je suppose que le post traitement élimine les chapelles qui ne sont pas 
des église et réciproquement.


Donc piste intéressante mais il y a encore un peu de boulot !

Jean-Yvon

Le 12/06/2017 à 12:32, Guillaume Allegre - allegre.guilla...@free.fr a 
écrit :

Je fais suivre un mail passé sur les listes maps-l et wikidata
de Wikimédia (international).

L'outil a l'air *très* prometteur, mais je n'ai pour l'instant
jeté qu'un coup d'oeil rapide.
Je suis intéressé aussi par d'autres retours d'expérience.

Je m'en suis servi pour l'instant pour lever des ambiguités dans Wikidata,
pas encore pour ajouter des tags dans OSM, mais c'est bien son usage premier.




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Subject: [Wikidata] Tool for users to add wikidata tags to OpenStreetMap
To: wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org


I've built a tool for mappers to match things in OSM with Wikidata and add
the
appropriate wikidata tag to OSM.

https://osm.wikidata.link/

Users can search for a administrative area or city, then pick an area to
analyse. It works best if mappers pick areas they're familiar with.

The matcher can take a few minutes to run. It grabs items from Wikidata and
figures out a target set of tags and keys to search for. Then it downloads
OSM
data and looks for matches. The matching is based on tags and names,
currently
the wikipedia tags aren't considered.

Map data is from the OSM Overpass API. Large (more than 1,000 sq km) or
dense
areas might fail with a timeout error.

The results are cached in the system and are available here:

https://osm.wikidata.link/places

Once the matching process is complete the mapper is given a tabbed page with
the results. The five tabs are:

   Match candidates - things on OSM that might be considered for tagging
   Already tagged - matches that are already tagged in OSM
   No match - items from Wikidata with no match found in OSM
   Wikidata query - the query used to find Wikidata items
   Overpass query - the Overpass query to find OSM objects in this area

To start tagging the mapper is able to login to OSM via OAuth. Tick boxes
will
appear next to the likely matches, the mapper can tick the box next to the
matches they want to upload, then add a change comment and upload them using
their own OSM account. Uploads within an area are combined into a single
changeset.

If the mapper sees an obviously incorrect match they can use the 'report bad
match' option to warn other mappers and provide feedback that I can use to
improve the algorithm.

This tools doesn't add any new objects to OSM. The only change it makes is
adding a wikidata tag to existing things.

My approach is to aim for a one-to-one mapping between Wikidata and OSM. If
there are two or more things in OSM that look like a Wikidata item then it
isn't a good match. This means for example that most road and rail bridges
won't be tagged because they are represented as two OSM ways. I might change
this at some point.

There are occasional duplicates in Wikidata, this tool should spot them and
refuse to add wikidata tags until the Wikidata 

Re: [Talk-it] quale surface? (tanto per cambiare...)

[girarsi_liste]

Il 12/06/2017 18:50, demon.box ha scritto:
> ciao, scusate, ultimamente mi sono imbattuto in lunghi tratti di strade
> forestale che presentano questa superficie:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> di base c'è un vecchio selciato in pietra sul quale in modo modo molto
> irregolare e grossolano è stato "colato" dell'asfalto.
> quale surface scegliere?
> 
> se mi baso soprattuto sulla situazione della seconda foto io avrei pensato a
> questo:
> 
> surface=asphalt
> smoothness=horrible
> 
> voi che dite? suggerimenti?
> grazie
> --enrico
> 

Per una cosa così mista, starei sul paved, smoothness=very_bad.


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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Andrea Musuruane]

2017-06-12 12:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2017-06-12 12:31 GMT+02:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>
>> si, ma in sostanza questo è una nuova licenza (simile, perciò si pensa
>>> che si potrebbe ottenere), la cc-by è incompatibile.
>>>
>>
>> No, non è una nuova licenza. La licenza è sempre la CC-BY. Secondo la
>> foundation, bisogna solo chiarire l'aspetto dell'attribuzione secondo le
>> modalità di OSM (ovvero nella pagina Contributors della wiki).
>>
>
>
> no ;-)
>
> Secondo la foundation bigogno fare un contratto individuale con l'ente, la
> licenza non è più la CC-BY.
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/
>
> "...*we have decided to continue our regime of asking for explicit
> permission for use in OpenStreetMap from licensors of CC BY databases and
> data."*
>
> La parte più importante nella differenza tra attribuzione secondo creative
> commons e secondo OSM è "downstream", cioè l'uso di terzi che prendono (e/o
> distribuiscono) dati da OSM. Loro devono citare soltanto OSM come fonte
> dati, e possono ommettere tutto il resto (si può sempre vedere da OSM però).
>

Explicit permission non è un contratto individuale. E' solo una manleva per
non avere problemi. La licenza non cambia infatti nella pagina dei
contributors leggo, ad esempio:

TEC released the data of all the bus/tram stop locations and routes under *a
CC-BY 4.0 International License. *

Contains data from maps of City of Reggio nell'Emilia provided by Opendata
Comune di Reggio Emilia released under* CC-By 4.0 - Creative Commons
Attribution 4.0.*

Kadaster / Beeldmateriaal gave permission to use the aerial photo
(luchtfoto) WM(T)S released under the *CC-BY 4.0 licence.*

Data downloaded from CartoBCN under the *Creative Commons - Attribution
License (CC-BY 3.0*) (this is a summary, you can read the original document
in catalan)

Ecc..

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

[Kevin Kenny]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> * highway=motorway: interstate or other long-distance restricted-access road
> * highway=trunk: fast, busy State Highway or US Highway, often NHS/STRAHNET
> * highway=primary: major State Highway or US Highway
> * highway=secondary: other State Highway or major County Road
> * highway=tertiary: other through route, often a County Road, usually paved
> with centreline
> * highway=unclassified: rural minor route, sometimes a County Road, paved
> unless tagged otherwise
> * highway=residential: minor public road intended for residential access
> rather than through route, paved unless tagged otherwise
>   (N.B. currently not safe to assume paved in rural areas where
> tiger:reviewed=no)
> * highway=track: ungraded or rough, but usable by some four-wheeled vehicles

Sounds close to what I've been doing. I don't recall whether I tagged
the road in question as 'unclassified' or 'track' without looking it
up, but I certainly added smoothness=very_bad, surface=compacted,
vehicle:conditional=no @ snow. It's a numbered and placarded county
highway, but seasonal and limited use, and I wouldn't take a car with
low ground clearance on it even in dry weather.

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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

[Wolfgang Zenker]

* Richard Fairhurst  [170612 20:55]:
> Kevin Kenny wrote:
>> Is there *anyone* that actually can speak to what *is* common 
>> practice in the US? When I've asked, I've always drawn a lot of 
>> replies and come away more confused than before.

> I've been doing vast amounts of rural TIGER fixup over the past couple of
> years and this is what broadly seems to be what I've seen, bearing in mind
> standard practice in other developed countries and the idea that the
> highway= tag combines the importance in the highway network with some
> assurance of construction quality:

> * highway=motorway: interstate or other long-distance restricted-access road
> * highway=trunk: fast, busy State Highway or US Highway, often NHS/STRAHNET
> * highway=primary: major State Highway or US Highway
> * highway=secondary: other State Highway or major County Road
> * highway=tertiary: other through route, often a County Road, usually paved
> with centreline
> * highway=unclassified: rural minor route, sometimes a County Road, paved
> unless tagged otherwise
> * highway=residential: minor public road intended for residential access
> rather than through route, paved unless tagged otherwise
>   (N.B. currently not safe to assume paved in rural areas where
> tiger:reviewed=no)
> * highway=track: ungraded or rough, but usable by some four-wheeled vehicles

> There are many, many variations, especially because the US doesn't have a
> single nationwide system like most European countries, but if I had to sum
> it up in a few words I'd choose the above.

While most places in the US commonly use some variation of the above,
not all places use the same variation (and that wouldn't make sense
either). Using a common tagging scheme is probably much easier on a
state by state level, so we should have wiki pages describing how
suggested tagging in one specific state is different than the one
described on the US road tagging guide. We have those pages for some
states; problem is that many "drive-by-mappers" don't bother to look at
them but use their one (undocumented) criteria. One example would be a
mapper who changed all highways in Montana connecting to a port of entry
and onward to a Canadian highway to primary. Many of these are unpaved
"Montana Secondary State Highways" which I converted back to tertiary,
as described on the Montana/Highways wiki page.

Wolfgang

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[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: NJ mass road demotions?

[Charlotte Wolter]

I have a similar situation.
I have tagged many numbered, but unpaved, roads on the 
Navajo reservation as "tertiary." They aren't "unmaintained," because 
they are plowed by the Navajo Nation, but with varying degrees of regularity.
The whole road system there has been getting better 
steadily, but there still are roads that are questionable as 
"tertiary," despite having numbers. So, I'm regularly downgrading 
some of those to "unclassified," as I discover them. I think that is 
the best practice for this area.


Charlotte



On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Richard Fairhurst 
<rich...@systemed.net> wrote:

It would be really helpful if there were one single place where US common
practice was explained, succinctly (not like the verbal diarrhoea[2] on the
US Roads Tagging page) and unambiguously, and in a way that accords with
international usage in OSM. As an auslander it's not my job to do it, but
perhaps someone sensible on this list might like to?


Is there *anyone* that actually can speak to what *is* common practice
in the US? When I've asked, I've always drawn a lot of replies and come
away more confused than before.

Of course, a lot of what I map is in a gray area where 'tertiary,'
'residential', 'unclassified' and 'track' tend to have blurred boundaries,
and 4WD vehicles are strongly recommended. The road where I'm parked
in 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/14041171575 
is a signed and

numbered county highway, but I couldn't bring myself to tag it 'tertiary.'
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Proposition d’aide à la gestion des serveurs français

[Vincent Bergeot]

Bonjour et merci pour la proposition,

si j'ai bien compris, cela se passe plutôt sur la liste tech : 
https://listes.openstreetmap.fr/wws/info/tech


Bonne réunion à Rennes (bonjour Adrien !)


Le 12/06/2017 à 21:11, Alarig Le Lay a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je suis actuellement à une réunion OSM à Rennes. On vient de me dire que
tous les serveurs français sont essentiellement gérés par une seule
personnes. Comme ce n’est jamais rigolo de tout faire tout seul, je veux
bien filer un coup de main dans la mesure de mes moyens.

Je veux bien commencer par ajouter de l’IPv6 sur les serveurs de tuiles,
car c’est en posant la question que l’on m’a dit que ça manquait de main
d’œuvre ;)
Si jamais il y a une TODO, je peux aussi prendre en charge ce que je
sais faire directement, le temps d’apprendre l’archi, la manière de
travailler, etc.

S’il y a besoin de donner son pédigrée pour savoir si je suis de
confiance ou pas, je peux le faire. Mais dans le doute je préfère ne pas
spammer la ML pour rien :)

Kenavo,


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[OSM-talk-fr] Proposition d’aide à la gestion des serveurs français

[Alarig Le Lay]

Bonjour,

Je suis actuellement à une réunion OSM à Rennes. On vient de me dire que
tous les serveurs français sont essentiellement gérés par une seule
personnes. Comme ce n’est jamais rigolo de tout faire tout seul, je veux
bien filer un coup de main dans la mesure de mes moyens.

Je veux bien commencer par ajouter de l’IPv6 sur les serveurs de tuiles,
car c’est en posant la question que l’on m’a dit que ça manquait de main
d’œuvre ;)
Si jamais il y a une TODO, je peux aussi prendre en charge ce que je
sais faire directement, le temps d’apprendre l’archi, la manière de
travailler, etc.

S’il y a besoin de donner son pédigrée pour savoir si je suis de
confiance ou pas, je peux le faire. Mais dans le doute je préfère ne pas
spammer la ML pour rien :)

Kenavo,
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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

[Richard Fairhurst]

Kevin Kenny wrote:
> Is there *anyone* that actually can speak to what *is* common 
> practice in the US? When I've asked, I've always drawn a lot of 
> replies and come away more confused than before.

I've been doing vast amounts of rural TIGER fixup over the past couple of
years and this is what broadly seems to be what I've seen, bearing in mind
standard practice in other developed countries and the idea that the
highway= tag combines the importance in the highway network with some
assurance of construction quality:

* highway=motorway: interstate or other long-distance restricted-access road
* highway=trunk: fast, busy State Highway or US Highway, often NHS/STRAHNET
* highway=primary: major State Highway or US Highway
* highway=secondary: other State Highway or major County Road
* highway=tertiary: other through route, often a County Road, usually paved
with centreline
* highway=unclassified: rural minor route, sometimes a County Road, paved
unless tagged otherwise
* highway=residential: minor public road intended for residential access
rather than through route, paved unless tagged otherwise
  (N.B. currently not safe to assume paved in rural areas where
tiger:reviewed=no)
* highway=track: ungraded or rough, but usable by some four-wheeled vehicles

There are many, many variations, especially because the US doesn't have a
single nationwide system like most European countries, but if I had to sum
it up in a few words I'd choose the above.

cheers
Richard



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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping traffic signals and stop signs using MapRoulette

[Kevin Kenny]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Paul Johnson  wrote:

> So we're ignoring that nodes don't inherit the directionality of the
> underlying way?  Really sounds like you're trying to suggest using
> direction=forward/backwards when a relation is what's actually needed.
>

There are already tens of thousands of STOP signs tagged with direction=*.
The semantics don't imply that a node has a direction. They assert 'traffic
must stop at this point when approaching the node in the given direction on
any way.'

JOSM is smart enough to warn if you reverse a way that has a STOP sign on
it. There are some guidance and navigation programs that correctly
recognize directional stop signs, with the direction tag on the node
referring to the direction of the approaching way. It appears that the
infrastructure is rapidly coming to accommodate the current tagging scheme.

You clearly don't like the practice, but it is indeed widespread. There
simply aren't a lot of STOP signs tagged at all in my area, which is why my
initial Overpass queries failed to turn up good examples when I asked the
question a couple of months ago.

Have you even posted a proposal for the relation-based schema that you're
advocating? You sent a link when we had this discussion before, but the
link went to a page about traffic cameras that had no mention of STOP or
GIVE WAY signs at all. Does any extant guidance and navigation software
recognize your schema? Do JOSM, Meerkartor or iD offer any assistance with
the appropriate tagging?
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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

[Kevin Kenny]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Richard Fairhurst 
wrote:

> It would be really helpful if there were one single place where US common
> practice was explained, succinctly (not like the verbal diarrhoea[2] on the
> US Roads Tagging page) and unambiguously, and in a way that accords with
> international usage in OSM. As an auslander it's not my job to do it, but
> perhaps someone sensible on this list might like to?
>

Is there *anyone* that actually can speak to what *is* common practice
in the US? When I've asked, I've always drawn a lot of replies and come
away more confused than before.

Of course, a lot of what I map is in
a gray area where 'tertiary', 'residential', 'unclassified' and 'track'
tend to have blurred boundaries, and 4WD vehicles are strongly
recommended. The road where I'm parked in
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/14041171575 is a signed and
numbered county highway, but I couldn't bring myself to tag it
'tertiary'.
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[Talk-it] quale surface? (tanto per cambiare...)

[demon.box]

ciao, scusate, ultimamente mi sono imbattuto in lunghi tratti di strade
forestale che presentano questa superficie:

 

 

di base c'è un vecchio selciato in pietra sul quale in modo modo molto
irregolare e grossolano è stato "colato" dell'asfalto.
quale surface scegliere?

se mi baso soprattuto sulla situazione della seconda foto io avrei pensato a
questo:

surface=asphalt
smoothness=horrible

voi che dite? suggerimenti?
grazie
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Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM - nuove sezioni tradotte in italiano

[Fabrizio Tambussa]

Bisogna lasciarli originali perché sono dei segnaposto alle immagini.
Saluti

Il 12/Giu/2017 17:54, "mbranco"  ha scritto:

chiedo un'altra piccola info su Transifex:
si trova da qualche parte il significato dei tag usati (punti esclamativi,
parentesi quadre, ecc.) ?

Ad es. mi viene il dubbio, se ho tradotto "Print plugin" con "plugin
Stampa",
quando sotto trovo "![Print Plugin][]" mi viene il dubbio se tradurlo
analogamente o lasciarlo in originale perchè parte di un link (o comando...)
che non deve essere tradotto.
(In realtà per tutte le parti ancora da tradurre vedo che le frasi inizianti
con "![" sono già tutte messe inalterate come traduzione...)



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Re: [Talk-it] Download mappe

[Francesco Pelullo]

Puoi anche usare la versione di FMach, generata ogni santo giorno :-)

http://www.geodati.fmach.it/italia_osm.html

La colpa è tutta di Lucadelu.


Ciao
/niubii/


Il 12 giu 2017 5:51 PM, "Gianluca Boero"  ha
scritto:

> Scusate...mi sono perso un pezzo...dal wiki di Osm alla sezione download,
> vi è l'indicazione per scaricare la mappa di Osm dal server Gfoss.it
>
> http://download.gfoss.it/osm/garmin/
>
> solo che non è più attivo...quale è ora la procedura per il download?
>
> --
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Re: [Talk-us] NJ mass road demotions?

[Richard Fairhurst]

Albert Pundt wrote:
> This seems like a way overboard change.

I've just received a changeset message back from someone else who had made a
few unusual reclassifications, in this case highway=secondary for dirt roads
in Nebraska. The user explained that they had been working from this wiki
page:

  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Functional_Classification_System

which is a pretty misleading page for a newcomer to stumble upon, and
doesn't accord with common practice. The page was created by one user in
2009 and has barely been touched since.[1]

There are other very verbose pages:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Highway_tag_usage

and, of course, US information on international pages like
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway:International_equivalence .

It would be really helpful if there were one single place where US common
practice was explained, succinctly (not like the verbal diarrhoea[2] on the
US Roads Tagging page) and unambiguously, and in a way that accords with
international usage in OSM. As an auslander it's not my job to do it, but
perhaps someone sensible on this list might like to?

Richard

[1] I've now added big messy warnings at the top of the page
[2] it does actually include the phrase "according to the criteria
heretofore described", which is marvellous



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Re: [Talk-it] Download mappe

[scratera]

..io uso geofabrik
http://download.geofabrik.de/



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Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM - nuove sezioni tradotte in italiano

[mbranco]

chiedo un'altra piccola info su Transifex:
si trova da qualche parte il significato dei tag usati (punti esclamativi,
parentesi quadre, ecc.) ?

Ad es. mi viene il dubbio, se ho tradotto "Print plugin" con "plugin
Stampa", 
quando sotto trovo "![Print Plugin][]" mi viene il dubbio se tradurlo
analogamente o lasciarlo in originale perchè parte di un link (o comando...)
che non deve essere tradotto.
(In realtà per tutte le parti ancora da tradurre vedo che le frasi inizianti
con "![" sono già tutte messe inalterate come traduzione...) 



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[Talk-it] Download mappe

[Gianluca Boero]

Scusate...mi sono perso un pezzo...dal wiki di Osm alla sezione 
download, vi è l'indicazione per scaricare la mappa di Osm dal server 
Gfoss.it


http://download.gfoss.it/osm/garmin/

solo che non è più attivo...quale è ora la procedura per il download?

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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping traffic signals and stop signs using MapRoulette

[Paul Johnson]

So we're ignoring that nodes don't inherit the directionality of the
underlying way?  Really sounds like you're trying to suggest using
direction=forward/backwards when a relation is what's actually needed.

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Horea Meleg 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Me and my Telenav colleagues found useful open source data for Wayne
> County regarding traffic signals and stop signs. We made a blogpost about
> this: http://blog.improve-osm.org/en/2017/06/mapping-traffic-
> signals-and-stop-signs-using-maproulette/ and created two MapRoulette
> challenges to facilitate the mapping process: one for traffic signals
> http://www.maproulette.org/view/2593 and the other for stop signs:
> http://www.maproulette.org/view/2564. Our team will start mapping traffic
> signals and everyone who is keen on mapping is welcomed to help us with any
> of the challenges.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Horea
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Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

[David Kewley]

Wunderground was what got me into OSM a year ago -- I noticed an apparent
error on the map when viewing Wunderground, so clicked on the link to edit
in OSM. The map on their main forecast page was what got me, and it still
does acknowledge OSM.
https://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=new%20york%20city
.

As Brian pointed out, their full-page "Wundermap" doesn't acknowledge OSM,
but I'm 100% sure it's using OSM based on my own edits.

David

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Brian May  wrote:

> I used that MapBox form a couple months ago to notify missing OSM
> attribution for the WunderMap at wunderground.com, e.g.
> https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=27.17=-80.29=1
>
> Just checked and no changes. I'm pretty sure its an OSM basemap due to
> checking features I have added that aren't on other maps.
>
> Brian
>
>
>  On 6/9/2017 5:50 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:
>
> Report it here https://www.mapbox.com/blog/report-attribution-problems/
>
> *Regards,*
> *Hans*
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:
>
>> Looks like I am no longer a member of the "Talk" mailing list, so I will
>> try here:
>>
>> https://mapnoco.org/results-intersection-quality
>>
>> The above site uses OSM as a basemap.
>>
>> Looks like the tiles come from Mapbox:
>> https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/uis.map-561ra9g7/15/6814/12356.png
>>
>> I was unable to find any attribution that credits OSM.
>>
>> 1) Did I miss the attribution? Is it somewhere on the page?
>> 2) Does someone have a nicely worded template that uses all of the proper
>> terminology which I could adapt and send to the site owner?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike
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[Talk-de] Einladung zum Ideenaustausch mit dem RVR

[Terwyen, Johannes]

Liebe OSM-Community!

Der Regionalverband Ruhr (RVR) mit Sitz in Essen ist der Zusammenschluss der 11 
kreisfreien Städte und vier Kreise in der Metropole Ruhr mit rund 5,1 Millionen 
Einwohnern.
Zu seinen gesetzlichen Aufgaben gehört u.a. die Erfassung von Geodaten über die 
Region. Dazu gehört auch das Stadtplanwerk Ruhrgebiet.

Das Stadtplanwerk Ruhrgebiet ist ein kartographischer Datenbestand über den 
gesamten Bereich des Ruhrgebiets bis tief hinein ins Rheinland. Er wird 
gemeinsam von den Kommunen und dem Regionalverband gepflegt. Das Kartenbild 
wurde vor ca. 40 Jahren entwickelt und ist aus heutiger Sicht nicht mehr 
zeitgemäß. Die Pflege der Daten ist sehr aufwendig. Daher möchte der RVR mit 
seinen Partnern neue Wege beschreiten. Im Juni 2016 wurde daher beschlossen, 
ein neues Stadtplanwerk aus einer Kombination von OSM- und kommunalen Daten zu 
schaffen.

Der RVR möchte sich an der Pflege der OSM-Daten beteiligen. Bereits seit zehn 
Jahren stellt der RVR hochauflösende Luftbilder zum Digitalisieren bereit. 
Zukünftig soll lokales Wissen der kommunalen Geoabteilungen zur Verfügung 
gestellt werden. Die Städte und Gemeinden streben einen lebendigen Dialog mit 
den Mappern an. Es liegt im Interesse des RVR, dass die Verbesserung der 
Kartensubstanz von OSM klar im Vordergrund steht und man sich an die Community 
Guidelines sowie die vorhandenen Mapping Features hält.

Dieses Vorhaben soll aber nicht ohne Mitwirkung der Community angegangen 
werden. Der RVR möchte daher zu einem ersten Ideenaustausch einladen. Wir haben 
hierzu einem Raum im Essener Unperfekthaus angemietet, der Platz für 30 Leute 
bietet.
Wenn ihr teilnehmen wollt, tragt euch bitte ins Wiki ein (siehe unten). 
Natürlich seid ihr auch eingeladen, wenn ihr nicht aus dem Ruhrgebiet kommt - 
Mapper aus dem Bergischen Land, Niederrhein, Sauerland und Rheinland, sind 
natürlich auch herzlich Willkommen.

Termin: 5. Juli 2017, 19 Uhr
Ort: Unperfekthaus Essen (Friedrich-Ebert-Straße 18-26, 45127 Essen)
Eintritt und Getränke frei

Nach einem Vortrag zu unserem Vorhaben, würden wir gerne den Dialog mit euch 
suchen. Wenn ihr Themen habt, die bei diesem Treffen diskutiert werden sollen, 
listet sie bitte auch im Wiki auf.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RVR

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Im Auftrag

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Re: [Talk-GB] Access tagging for buses and service=bus

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 08:58 +, Harry Wood wrote:
> I came across a few tagging quirks to do with bus access and
> specifically "service=bus"
> 
> First of all there's some roads with service=Bus (uppercase B). So
> that's definitely a mistake.
> Only exists in a cluster in Manchester ...plus a small cluster in Sao
> Paulo!:
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22service%22%3D%22Bus%22+global
> 
> The idea of the service=bus tag is to allow a bus routing system to
> know that a service road is for buses, with the implication that all
> other service roads should be not for buses. That was a surprise to
> me. When I configured a bus routing system (doing this as part of my
> day job at TransportAPI), it didn't occur to me to disallow buses
> driving down service roads, but maybe I should rethink that.
> 
> In any case it seems to me that the access tagging should be regarded
> as orthogonal to this. What I mean is, while we might tag a road as
> service=bus, we should also make sure that all these special roads
> for buses ...allow buses! If they're access=no, then we need to also
> make sure they are bus=yes (or psv=yes). Sounds reasonable?
> 
> So I came up with this Overpass query to try to find those problems h
> ttp://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pDR  Not too many.
> 
> Should we go ahead and fix those things? Quite a small job. I can do
> it myself actually.
> 
> 
> There are many other problems (bigger problems!) we could fix with
> bus data in the UK. For example an extension of this idea would be to
> check for access tagging on all ways which are part of bus route
> relations. And of course there's coverage of the bus route relations
> themselves. That's something we were discussing here as a possible UK
> quarterly mapping project: https://www.loomio.org/d/uBc7x1Ok/quarterl
> y-project-july-sept2017
> 
Harry
Also don't forget the psv=* tag too, I suspect this should be more
common in the UK as it limits access to buses on public service and
most are also open to hackneys·

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[OSM-talk] Is Open Historical Map still functioning?

[Rob H Warren]

Dave,

http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ died sometime this morning of an overfull tmp 
directory. It is back up now. The specific cause is being looked at here:

https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/OpenHistoricalMap/issues/17

Should anything go wrong, complaining to 
https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/OpenHistoricalMap/issues will get quick 
attention.

With deep apologies,
R

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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:08:23 +0100
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> Subject: [OSM-talk] Is Open Historical Map still functioning?
> Message-ID: <593e7627.8060...@btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> Hi
> http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ is down. Temporarily or is the project 
> dead?
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map
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Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM - nuove sezioni tradotte in italiano

[mbranco]

Ok, ho visto, grazie delle info.



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Re: [Talk-us] Use without Attribution

[Brian May]

I used that MapBox form a couple months ago to notify missing OSM 
attribution for the WunderMap at wunderground.com, e.g. 
https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap?lat=27.17=-80.29=1


Just checked and no changes. I'm pretty sure its an OSM basemap due to 
checking features I have added that aren't on other maps.


Brian

 On 6/9/2017 5:50 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote:

Report it here https://www.mapbox.com/blog/report-attribution-problems/

*Regards,**
*
*Hans*

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Mike Thompson > wrote:


Looks like I am no longer a member of the "Talk" mailing list, so
I will try here:

https://mapnoco.org/results-intersection-quality

The above site uses OSM as a basemap.
Looks like the tiles come from Mapbox:
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/uis.map-561ra9g7/15/6814/12356.png

I was unable to find any attribution that credits OSM.

1) Did I miss the attribution? Is it somewhere on the page?
2) Does someone have a nicely worded template that uses all of the
proper terminology which I could adapt and send to the site owner?

Thanks,

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[Talk-it] AUTO: Andrea Maffeis è assente dall'ufficio

[Andrea Maffeis]

Sono fuori dall'ufficio fino a 21/06/2017




Nota: Questa è una risposta automatizzata al messaggio  "Re: [Talk-it] Mappa
fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti
dal db OSM" inviata il 12/06/2017 11:40:42.

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[Talk-de] Hillary Step oder Wie taggt man verschwundene Objekte?

[Elstermann, Mike]

Hallo zusammen,

wie eigentlich taggt Ihr eigentlich verschwundene Objekte, hier z. B. den 
Hillary Step.

Offensichtlich gab es ihn nicht mehr [1]

-   gehört er dann noch in die aktuelle topografische Karte?

-  Wenn ja, muss es nicht schon in der Topografie sichtbar sein, dass 
es das Objekt nicht mehr gibt

Nun scheint er ja doch noch da zu sein [2]

Trotzdem bleibt ja die Problematik, schmeißt man verschwundene Objekte einfach 
raus, ...?

[1] Hillary Step ist weg: 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/21/part-of-mount-everest-has-collapsed-mountaineers-confirm
[2]Hillary Step ist doch noch da: 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/23/mount-everests-hillary-step-is-still-there-say-nepalese-climbers
[3] Historie:  
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1326607404/history#map=19/27.98564/86.92525=D

Danke und BG mikeE.
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Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM - nuove sezioni tradotte in italiano

[Alessandro Palmas]

Ciao Marco,


Ciao Alessandro,
ho guardato il link che hai segnalato ma c'era poco da tradurre, hai 
altri link? (su transifex, Josm è impostato come organizzazione ma non 
vedo associato del materiale da tradurre).


Se ti loggi e vai a 
https://www.transifex.com/hotosm/learnosm-1/translate/#it ad oggi ci 
sono 3123 stringhe da tradurre.



Vorrei anche sapere come (con quale strumento) sono gestite le 
immagini: non in transifex, credo (non le ho mai viste).
Più in generale se c'è un modo di sapere in che contesto è usata una 
parola o una frase: a volte per una singola parola (o due) potrebbero 
esserci più traduzioni, anche molto diverse nel significato.



Sono gestite tramite github https://github.com/hotosm/learnosm
Devo ancora unirmi al progetto e pushare 41 immagini aggiornate e tradotte.

Sì, vedere i paragrafi o le frasi decontestualizzate non aiuta. Io tengo 
sempre aperta un finestra con learnosm in inglese e quando ne ho bisogno 
guardo dove si trova la frase da tradurre.
Se parti da questo URL 
https://www.transifex.com/hotosm/learnosm-1/language/it/ vedi anche la 
categoria a cui appartiene il paragrafo; se clicchi sulla scritta 
"Category" le ordini per categoria.
Ci sono ancora 8 sottosezioni di JOSM da tradurre, le più importanti 
imho sono 1900-10-15-josm-plugins.md

1900-09-15-josm-more-plugins.md.txt e 1900-11-15-josm-tools.md

Alessandro
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[Talk-us] Mapping traffic signals and stop signs using MapRoulette

[Horea Meleg]

Hi all,
Me and my Telenav colleagues found useful open source data for Wayne County 
regarding traffic signals and stop signs. We made a blogpost about this: 
http://blog.improve-osm.org/en/2017/06/mapping-traffic-signals-and-stop-signs-using-maproulette/
 and created two MapRoulette challenges to facilitate the mapping process: one 
for traffic signals http://www.maproulette.org/view/2593 and the other for stop 
signs: http://www.maproulette.org/view/2564. Our team will start mapping 
traffic signals and everyone who is keen on mapping is welcomed to help us with 
any of the challenges.
Thank you,
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Re: [Talk-it] LearnOSM - nuove sezioni tradotte in italiano

[mbranco2]

Ciao Alessandro,
ho guardato il link che hai segnalato ma c'era poco da tradurre, hai altri
link? (su transifex, Josm è impostato come organizzazione ma non vedo
associato del materiale da tradurre).

Vorrei anche sapere come (con quale strumento) sono gestite le immagini:
non in transifex, credo (non le ho mai viste).
Più in generale se c'è un modo di sapere in che contesto è usata una parola
o una frase: a volte per una singola parola (o due) potrebbero esserci più
traduzioni, anche molto diverse nel significato.

Il giorno 10 giugno 2017 17:38, Alessandro Palmas <
alessandro.pal...@wikimedia.it> ha scritto:

> Ciao lista,
> oggi ho notato che le parti recentemente tradotte in italiano di
> learnosm.org sono state pubblicate.  Ora dovremo far aggiungere anche una
> quarantina di immagini con l'interfaccia e le scritte in italiano.
> Abbiamo dato priorità alle sezioni su iD e JOSM ma per chi vuole
> contribuire c'è ancora molto da fare. La pagina del progetto è
> https://www.transifex.com/hotosm/learnosm-1/
>
> Enjoy
>   Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT
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Re: [Talk-es] Conflicto sobre el uso de notas en Galicia (o no)

[Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso]

Buenas.

Mi mensaje va a ser bastante corto ya que está todo dicho una y otra vez y
no quieres entenderlo.

Porque escribas un mensaje más largo no te vas a llevar la razón. Vuelta a
lo mismo y tú lógica aplastante que ya se te ha dicho que no es válida. Las
notas no se cierran por antigüedad y claramente no se insulta a la gente.

Si te voy a dar la razón en una cosa. Mientras se escribe aquí no se mapea.
Si desde el primer mensaje hicieras caso todos podríamos estar
tranquilamente editando el mapa. Y no tener malas contestaciones por tu
parte sin motivo alguno.

Yo también voto por expulsarlo por no atender a razones. Insultar y faltar
al respeto cuando se intenta hablar con el de manera reiterada.

Un saludo.

El lun., 12 jun. 2017 1:11, Nemigo  escribió:

> voy a responder al tal usuario seijas... mal que le pesa (me lo ha dicho él
> mismo)
>
> este señor opinó en notas con alusiones personales a mí. No hay problema
> por
> esto, cada uno edita o no, es decisión personal
>
> Le envié un mensaje personal para informarle de la situación: hay notas
> hace
> años a las que nadie responde, hace caso ni lee. Le da igual
> Me respondió a mi mensaje con otro en el que se queja de que me dirija a él
> (este usuario me cita, critica y ahora abre hilos en un foro en el que NO
> participo pero se queja de que le respondan?) Quizá no sepa que las notas
> de
> OSM no son para hacer discusiones y mucho menos para arengar a usuarios más
> veteranos que tú para que hagan lo que tú no haces: MAPEAR... mientras
> escribes aquí no mapeas... a mí me pasa.
>
> Tengo el mensaje de este usuario por si alguien quiere ver la capacidad de
> diálogo de su compañero.
>
> En esta nota se hizo exactamente lo mismo que el critica y parece ser que
> no
> hubo problema, apesar de que las acusaciones fueron las mismas:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1019836
>
> este otro es el mismo caso, el usuario abrió tres notas con lo mismo, se
> solucionó y hubo que explicar que no convencer de la solución a otro
> usuario
> que no tenía ni idea de que iba la feria
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1021372
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1020707
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1021371
> Esta nota está criticada por seijas (que no entendió ni papa) el usuario
> quería poner un acceso a la autopista cruzando una línea continua
>
>
> Pero vamos a las notas de Galiza a las que nadie ha hecho caso durante años
> (una tiene 4 años de antiguedad y muchas son del usuario rega):
>
> *son tus notas seijas, no lo olvides:*
> Cierra la nota sin añadirla al mapa sin dar razones:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/786444
> en qué número está? (ese es mi mensaje en la nota)
> la nota lleva 7 meses abierta, se pide la dirección que falta para añadir,
> en la nota no lo pone. No se sabe y se cierra la nota, no había más datos.
> 7
> meses sin que nadie hiciese nada
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/272532
> Aparentemente en esta zona está la "Capela de San Paio dos Redos". No
> consigo situarla.
> Creado por Rodrigo Rega hai 2 anos
> el usuario Rodrigo Rega es mapeador habitual, sabe que en los mapas falta
> mucha información. En dos años no ha sido capaz-no le ha dado la gana de
> buscar la información. El usuario seijas tampoco buscó esa información (la
> nota sigue abierta)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/957984
> un notario en un segundo piso, 2 meses sin que nadie haga nada. No se sabe
> la dirección. Tras insistir en que si la sabes la pongan la pone otro
> usuario (nota cerrada por ese usuario)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/445120
> un usuario dice que hay un semáforo en una intersección en una calle da a
> coruña, eso hace más de un año. Nadie hace ni puto caso. A base de insistir
> otro usuario lo añade. Ese los miles que faltan, quedan para otra nota o
> para dentro de más de un año
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/724708
> gasolinera cerrada, la nota es de hace 9 meses y la nota sigue abierta
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/562313
> el usuario Rega que abre una nota hace más de un año y sigue sin cerrar la
> nota (son datos importados del catastro) la nota sigue abierta
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/274333
> nuestro conocido usuario Rega que dice desde hace dos años que falta el
> nombre de un parque que no sabe si tiene nombre, ni lo sabe ni en DOS años
> ha sido capaz de hacer nada para averiguarlo. La nota sigue abierta
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/528143
> vuelve el mapeador Rega... con una nota abierta más de un año en la que
> según él hay que hacer algo según él que él no hace
>
> Cierra la nota porque no se ve en las fotos: (sic)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/282814
> Aparentemente esto es un área recreativa. pone en la nota de Rega desde
> hace
> DOS AÑOS, ni ha hecho nada ni se sabe si lo que dice es cierto. Él no hará
> nada para averiguarlo. La nota sigue abierta
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/355776
> dicen que hay una boca de incendios, la nota es de hace 

Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-06-12 12:31 GMT+02:00 Andrea Musuruane :

> si, ma in sostanza questo è una nuova licenza (simile, perciò si pensa che
>> si potrebbe ottenere), la cc-by è incompatibile.
>>
>
> No, non è una nuova licenza. La licenza è sempre la CC-BY. Secondo la
> foundation, bisogna solo chiarire l'aspetto dell'attribuzione secondo le
> modalità di OSM (ovvero nella pagina Contributors della wiki).
>


no ;-)

Secondo la foundation bigogno fare un contratto individuale con l'ente, la
licenza non è più la CC-BY.
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/

"...*we have decided to continue our regime of asking for explicit
permission for use in OpenStreetMap from licensors of CC BY databases and
data."*

La parte più importante nella differenza tra attribuzione secondo creative
commons e secondo OSM è "downstream", cioè l'uso di terzi che prendono (e/o
distribuiscono) dati da OSM. Loro devono citare soltanto OSM come fonte
dati, e possono ommettere tutto il resto (si può sempre vedere da OSM però).

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků

[Marián Kyral]

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Tom Ka 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 12. 6. 2017 11:09:28
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků
"Zdravim,

proste fotogtrafii nahrajte. zatim se to nijak neresi, ale casem bude
mozne pracovat s vice fotkami, schovat starsi apod.
"



Jo jo, už bych se k tomu mohl konečně dokopat. Ale je to těžké - venku pěkně
a teplo. Možná jestli bude týden pršet :-D




Marián







"
Diky


Dne 12. června 2017 10:58 Martin Měřinský  napsal(a):
> Dobrý den,
> občas nahraji nějakou fotografii rozcestníku na openstreetmap.cz.
>
> Jak mám posutpovat, pokud mám aktuálnějí / čitelnější / lepší
> fotografii rozcestníku, který již fotografii má? Např. na původní
> fotografii je vidět pouze část šipek a já chci tuto fotografii nahradit
> koláží se všemi šipkami. Nevidím možnost nahrát více fotek nebo
> nahradit současnou.
>
> Děkuji Martin M.
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Andrea Musuruane]

2017-06-12 12:20 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2017-06-12 11:51 GMT+02:00 Andrea Musuruane :
>
>> I dati si possono importare a patto che ci sia una liberatoria
>> sull'attribuzione dal titolare dei dati (ovvero che vada bene
>> l'attribuzione nella pagina Contributors della wiki) e
>
>
>
> si, ma in sostanza questo è una nuova licenza (simile, perciò si pensa che
> si potrebbe ottenere), la cc-by è incompatibile.
>

No, non è una nuova licenza. La licenza è sempre la CC-BY. Secondo la
foundation, bisogna solo chiarire l'aspetto dell'attribuzione secondo le
modalità di OSM (ovvero nella pagina Contributors della wiki).

Secondo me è un eccesso di scrupolo, perché come riportano le FAQ CC, c'è
flessibilità su come fare l'attribuzione:
https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-insist-on-the-exact-placement-of-the-attribution-credit

Detto questo, le regole le fa la foudation e a quelle bisogna sottostare.

Ciao,

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[OSM-talk-fr] mise en correspondance Wikidata / OpenStreerMap

[Guillaume Allegre]

Je fais suivre un mail passé sur les listes maps-l et wikidata 
de Wikimédia (international).

L'outil a l'air *très* prometteur, mais je n'ai pour l'instant 
jeté qu'un coup d'oeil rapide.
Je suis intéressé aussi par d'autres retours d'expérience.

Je m'en suis servi pour l'instant pour lever des ambiguités dans Wikidata,
pas encore pour ajouter des tags dans OSM, mais c'est bien son usage premier.



> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Edward Betts 
> Date: Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:39 PM
> Subject: [Wikidata] Tool for users to add wikidata tags to OpenStreetMap
> To: wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org
> 
> 
> I've built a tool for mappers to match things in OSM with Wikidata and add
> the
> appropriate wikidata tag to OSM.
> 
> https://osm.wikidata.link/
> 
> Users can search for a administrative area or city, then pick an area to
> analyse. It works best if mappers pick areas they're familiar with.
> 
> The matcher can take a few minutes to run. It grabs items from Wikidata and
> figures out a target set of tags and keys to search for. Then it downloads
> OSM
> data and looks for matches. The matching is based on tags and names,
> currently
> the wikipedia tags aren't considered.
> 
> Map data is from the OSM Overpass API. Large (more than 1,000 sq km) or
> dense
> areas might fail with a timeout error.
> 
> The results are cached in the system and are available here:
> 
> https://osm.wikidata.link/places
> 
> Once the matching process is complete the mapper is given a tabbed page with
> the results. The five tabs are:
> 
>   Match candidates - things on OSM that might be considered for tagging
>   Already tagged - matches that are already tagged in OSM
>   No match - items from Wikidata with no match found in OSM
>   Wikidata query - the query used to find Wikidata items
>   Overpass query - the Overpass query to find OSM objects in this area
> 
> To start tagging the mapper is able to login to OSM via OAuth. Tick boxes
> will
> appear next to the likely matches, the mapper can tick the box next to the
> matches they want to upload, then add a change comment and upload them using
> their own OSM account. Uploads within an area are combined into a single
> changeset.
> 
> If the mapper sees an obviously incorrect match they can use the 'report bad
> match' option to warn other mappers and provide feedback that I can use to
> improve the algorithm.
> 
> This tools doesn't add any new objects to OSM. The only change it makes is
> adding a wikidata tag to existing things.
> 
> My approach is to aim for a one-to-one mapping between Wikidata and OSM. If
> there are two or more things in OSM that look like a Wikidata item then it
> isn't a good match. This means for example that most road and rail bridges
> won't be tagged because they are represented as two OSM ways. I might change
> this at some point.
> 
> There are occasional duplicates in Wikidata, this tool should spot them and
> refuse to add wikidata tags until the Wikidata duplicate is resolved.
> 
> The bug/todo list is here: https://github.com/EdwardBetts/osm-wikidata/
> issues
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions are welcome.
> --
> Edward.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des groupes locaux

[Guillaume Allegre]

Le 2017-06-12, Antoine Riche a écrit :
> Pourquoi pas mais avant de faire compliqué je souhaite faire simple et
> remplacer au plus vite cette carte qui n'a rien à voir.

Excellente initiative, merci Antoine.

J'ai ajouté Grenoble.



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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-06-12 11:51 GMT+02:00 Andrea Musuruane :

> I dati si possono importare a patto che ci sia una liberatoria
> sull'attribuzione dal titolare dei dati (ovvero che vada bene
> l'attribuzione nella pagina Contributors della wiki) e



si, ma in sostanza questo è una nuova licenza (simile, perciò si pensa che
si potrebbe ottenere), la cc-by è incompatibile.

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 12. Jun 2017, at 11:59, Alessandro Palmas  
> wrote:
> 
> Hanno parlato di mappa di visualizzazione, non di inserimento nel database.


hanno selezionati le fontanelle da osm che non avevano nel loro db, quindi 
hanno creato un db derivato (le fontanelle di osm e le loro fontanelle), perché 
potevano fare questa operazione soltanto insieme con tutti due di database. Poi 
la visualizzazione su web vuol dire che pubblicano il risultato, quindi il db 
risultante deve essere ODbL.

Se invece avessero prese tutte le fontanelle di osm il risultato sarebbe stato 
un collective db (ciascuna componente con la licenza sua), ma avrebbero avuto 
tanti doppioni sulla mappa.

Ciao,
Martin 


ps: sono d'accordo che non si tratta di un'infrazione della licenza, perché il 
numero è piccolo (sotto i 100), se si tratta di un'operazione singola e non 
sistematica.



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Re: [Talk-it] belluno urban marathon

[beppebonin]

Ho risistemato già il centro e il ''muratore'' con altro utente mi sta dando 
una mano. Il più è fatto
Per la way dell'urban marathon ho visto che è stata deselezionata, penso da 
Martin, i dati ci sono ancora ma con un fixme. domenica, 11 giugno 2017, 
09:47PM +02:00 da Cascafico Giovanni  cascaf...@gmail.com :

>ho vistointanto lo user Misacch e di suoi changeset
>
>#49300941
  già comentato da Martin, ma senza risposta
>#49301106
  modifiche varie
>#49301193
  idem
>#49320425 idem 
>#49320477 semplice way senza tag
>
>in zona c'è attivo anche AndreaBLSUD ma ha giò alcune centinaia di changeset 
>ed è un muratore  ...fa edifici :-)
>poi c'è peppe10 che con i suoi 1 changeset no è propriamente un newbie ed 
>è intervenuto dopo Misacch.
>
>Io direi di revertare tutto, magari salvando il lavoro che ha fatto sul 
>#49320477 per riportarlo in una umap
>
>
>
>
>Il giorno 11 giugno 2017 10:08, Andrea Musuruane  < musur...@gmail.com > ha 
>scritto:
>>Ciao,
>>
>>2017-06-11 0:08 GMT+02:00 Giuseppe  < beppebo...@libero.it > :
>>>Ho trovato nella città di belluno alcuni mappatori alle prime armi che 
>>>stanno facendo un pò di caos (sensi unici, attribuzione dei tag delle way 
>>>ecc.) Li ho contattati, invitati a chiedere eventuali dubbi in lista e 
>>>vediamo se rispondono. Tra le altre è stata inserita la belluno urban 
>>>marathon, penso si tratti del percorso della maratona come una strada 
>>>residenziale sovrapposta alle altre way e non inserita come percorso nel 
>>>modo corretto a mio avviso. Io non mi sono mai occupato di percorsi e 
>>>itinerari all'interno di una way. Visto il dato inserito se qualcuno 
>>>riuscisse a sistemarlo nel modo corretto sarebbe una gran cosa
>>
>>Mi sembra totalmente errato inserire il percorso temporaneo usato per una 
>>manifestazione (in questo caso una maratona, ma lo stesso discorso si può 
>>fare per gare di cicloamatori, giro d'Italia, ecc) su OSM.
>>
>>Ciao,
>>
>>Andrea
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Alessandro Palmas]

Permettemi di precisare:



2017-06-09 21:36 GMT+02:00 paolo bubici >:


Se ho capito bene hanno individuato 82 fontanelle di Osm che non
erano nel loro db (metropolitana milanese)quindi ora le loro
potremmo importarle giusto?



Si, e no. Usano features da noi (e citano la ODbL) e "gli stessi" 
features da altri (con licenza cc-by). Perciò sarebbe un derived 
database e dovrebbe essere sotto ODbL, ma noi non possiamo importare 
dati in cc-by (perché le condizioni di attribuzione non sono 
compatibili), perciò credo nemmeno loro potrebbero farlo.




Hanno parlato di mappa di visualizzazione, non di inserimento nel database.





L'altra interpretazione sarebbe che hanno deciso che il loro uso di 
OSM non è sistematico, in altre parole: non fanno un uso di OSM, 
tranne questa piccola parte insignificativa, perciò non devono seguire 
le impostazioni della licenza (ma in questo caso sarebbe stato più 
chiaro non citare la ODbL). Se il comune di Milano dovesse usare OSM 
un'altra volta, altrove, scaterebbe invece la ODbL. Poco probabile che 
un comune come Milano possa stare senza dati OSM ;-).




Anche qui meglio precisare: è molto probabile che il Comune di Milano 
usi OSM in diverse visualizzazioni come mappa di sfondo. Il caso delle 
fontanelle è l'unico (che io conosca) in cui c'è la situazione di dati 
misti.
Se i dati/livelli vengono mantenuti separati il problema in oggetto non 
si pone.


Se usassero tante mappe potrebbe esserci il problema dell'elevato 
utilizzo delle tiles ma è una questione diversa.


Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT


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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Andrea Musuruane]

2017-06-12 11:40 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
> 2017-06-09 21:36 GMT+02:00 paolo bubici :
>
>> Se ho capito bene hanno individuato 82 fontanelle di Osm che non erano
>> nel loro db (metropolitana milanese)quindi ora le loro potremmo
>> importarle giusto?
>
>
>
> Si, e no. Usano features da noi (e citano la ODbL) e "gli stessi" features
> da altri (con licenza cc-by). Perciò sarebbe un derived database e dovrebbe
> essere sotto ODbL, ma noi non possiamo importare dati in cc-by (perché le
> condizioni di attribuzione non sono compatibili), perciò credo nemmeno loro
> potrebbero farlo.
>

I dati si possono importare a patto che ci sia una liberatoria
sull'attribuzione dal titolare dei dati (ovvero che vada bene
l'attribuzione nella pagina Contributors della wiki) e seguire le linee
guida di import.

Ciao,

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappa fontanelle di Milano con attribuzione OSM - estrazione parziale di oggetti dal db OSM

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-06-09 21:36 GMT+02:00 paolo bubici :

> Se ho capito bene hanno individuato 82 fontanelle di Osm che non erano nel
> loro db (metropolitana milanese)quindi ora le loro potremmo importarle
> giusto?



Si, e no. Usano features da noi (e citano la ODbL) e "gli stessi" features
da altri (con licenza cc-by). Perciò sarebbe un derived database e dovrebbe
essere sotto ODbL, ma noi non possiamo importare dati in cc-by (perché le
condizioni di attribuzione non sono compatibili), perciò credo nemmeno loro
potrebbero farlo.


L'altra interpretazione sarebbe che hanno deciso che il loro uso di OSM non
è sistematico, in altre parole: non fanno un uso di OSM, tranne questa
piccola parte insignificativa, perciò non devono seguire le impostazioni
della licenza (ma in questo caso sarebbe stato più chiaro non citare la
ODbL). Se il comune di Milano dovesse usare OSM un'altra volta, altrove,
scaterebbe invece la ODbL. Poco probabile che un comune come Milano possa
stare senza dati OSM ;-).

L'uso non significativo viene definito qui:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines/Substantial_-_Guideline

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-es] Conflicto sobre el uso de notas en Galicia (o no)

[Alejandro S.]

Buenos días,
He comenzado a leer el correo del usuario Nemigo y he tenido que dejarlo a
mitad por la mala gana que me daban sus faltas de respeto.
Si esta persona no es capaz de respetar a sus compañeros no se porque
debería seguir participando en este proyecto colaborativo. Opino que
debería informarse a la OSMF para que actúe como considere oportuno.

Saludos,
Alejandro Suárez

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 01:59 Xuacu  wrote:

> Hola.
>
> Después de leer el correo llego a una conclusión: el usuario Nemigo es
> un vándalo (posiblemente por desconocimiento y obcecación); pero lo
> que es seguro es que es la mismísima definición de troll.
>
> Con uno sólo de los insultos, desprecios y ataques «ad hominem» sería
> suficiente para banearlo; por mi parte fin de la discusión con quien
> no atiende a razones. Cuando toque votar, mi voto es expulsarle.
>
> Un saludo.
> Xuacu Saturio
> Usuariu de Linux // Linux user #134680
> https://www.linuxcounter.net/
>
>
> El día 12 de junio de 2017, 1:10, Nemigo 
> escribió:
> > voy a responder al tal usuario seijas... mal que le pesa (me lo ha dicho
> él
> > mismo)
> >
> > este señor opinó en notas con alusiones personales a mí. No hay problema
> por
> > esto, cada uno edita o no, es decisión personal
> >
> > Le envié un mensaje personal para informarle de la situación: hay notas
> hace
> > años a las que nadie responde, hace caso ni lee. Le da igual
> > Me respondió a mi mensaje con otro en el que se queja de que me dirija a
> él
> > (este usuario me cita, critica y ahora abre hilos en un foro en el que NO
> > participo pero se queja de que le respondan?) Quizá no sepa que las
> notas de
> > OSM no son para hacer discusiones y mucho menos para arengar a usuarios
> más
> > veteranos que tú para que hagan lo que tú no haces: MAPEAR... mientras
> > escribes aquí no mapeas... a mí me pasa.
> >
> > Tengo el mensaje de este usuario por si alguien quiere ver la capacidad
> de
> > diálogo de su compañero.
> >
> > En esta nota se hizo exactamente lo mismo que el critica y parece ser
> que no
> > hubo problema, apesar de que las acusaciones fueron las mismas:
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1019836
> >
> > este otro es el mismo caso, el usuario abrió tres notas con lo mismo, se
> > solucionó y hubo que explicar que no convencer de la solución a otro
> usuario
> > que no tenía ni idea de que iba la feria
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1021372
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1020707
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1021371
> > Esta nota está criticada por seijas (que no entendió ni papa) el usuario
> > quería poner un acceso a la autopista cruzando una línea continua
> >
> >
> > Pero vamos a las notas de Galiza a las que nadie ha hecho caso durante
> años
> > (una tiene 4 años de antiguedad y muchas son del usuario rega):
> >
> > *son tus notas seijas, no lo olvides:*
> > Cierra la nota sin añadirla al mapa sin dar razones:
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/786444
> > en qué número está? (ese es mi mensaje en la nota)
> > la nota lleva 7 meses abierta, se pide la dirección que falta para
> añadir,
> > en la nota no lo pone. No se sabe y se cierra la nota, no había más
> datos. 7
> > meses sin que nadie hiciese nada
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/272532
> > Aparentemente en esta zona está la "Capela de San Paio dos Redos". No
> > consigo situarla.
> > Creado por Rodrigo Rega hai 2 anos
> > el usuario Rodrigo Rega es mapeador habitual, sabe que en los mapas falta
> > mucha información. En dos años no ha sido capaz-no le ha dado la gana de
> > buscar la información. El usuario seijas tampoco buscó esa información
> (la
> > nota sigue abierta)
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/957984
> > un notario en un segundo piso, 2 meses sin que nadie haga nada. No se
> sabe
> > la dirección. Tras insistir en que si la sabes la pongan la pone otro
> > usuario (nota cerrada por ese usuario)
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/445120
> > un usuario dice que hay un semáforo en una intersección en una calle da a
> > coruña, eso hace más de un año. Nadie hace ni puto caso. A base de
> insistir
> > otro usuario lo añade. Ese los miles que faltan, quedan para otra nota o
> > para dentro de más de un año
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/724708
> > gasolinera cerrada, la nota es de hace 9 meses y la nota sigue abierta
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/562313
> > el usuario Rega que abre una nota hace más de un año y sigue sin cerrar
> la
> > nota (son datos importados del catastro) la nota sigue abierta
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/274333
> > nuestro conocido usuario Rega que dice desde hace dos años que falta el
> > nombre de un parque que no sabe si tiene nombre, ni lo sabe ni en DOS
> años
> > ha sido capaz de hacer nada para averiguarlo. La nota sigue abierta
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/528143
> > vuelve el mapeador Rega... con una nota abierta más de un año en la que
> > según él hay que hacer algo 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des groupes locaux

[Guillaume AMAT]

C'est pas faux :)


Le 12/06/2017 à 11:19, Antoine Riche a écrit :
Pourquoi pas mais avant de faire compliqué je souhaite faire simple et 
remplacer au plus vite cette carte qui n'a rien à voir. Et puis la 
carte s'intitule "Rencontres régulières" : il me semble intéressant de 
faire apparaître cette régularité de rencontres et ateliers sur le site.


Bien sûr ça n'empêche pas d'expérimenter une carte des événements avec 
OED :-)


Déjà 3 groupes sur le Calc : continuez continuez !

Antoine.

Le 12/06/2017 à 09:14, Guillaume AMAT a écrit :

Salut,

Bonne idée Antoine ! L'idéal serait peut-être d'enregistrer les 
évènements dans OpenEventDatabase et d'aller les chercher 
automatiquement dans la carte non ?

Z'en dîtes quoi les gens ?

Guillaume


12 juin 2017 08:52 "Antoine Riche" > a écrit:


Bonjour,

La page http://openstreetmap.fr/calendrier montre une carte qui
ne correspond plus du tout aux rencontres régulières des groupes
locaux : elle ressemble plutôt à un test d'import d'un fichier
KML en Nouvelle Aquitaine. Le crédit de la carte renvoie vers le
site http://karoutcho.fr/ qui n'a rien à voir...

Je propose de créer une nouvelle carte, j'ai créé un tableur pour
cela : https://framacalc.org/osm-groupes-locaux

Si vous faites partie d'un groupe local merci d'ajouter une ligne
sur le Framacalc. Le User ne sera pas publié mais servira à vous
donner le droit d'éditer la carte uMap. Les Lat et Lon sont
optionnels, mais mettez une adresse bien formatée. Vous pouvez si
vous le souhaitez ajouter un descriptif, ou une autre colonne à
laquelle je n'ai pas pensé.

J'importerai d'ici fin juin le tableur dans une carte uMap, pour
remplacer celle sur le site.

Merci,
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Re: [Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků

[Tom Ka]

Bud pres chybejici jakykoliv jiny rozcestnik (jen ukaze nesmyslnou
vzdalenost), nebo pri zapnuti vrstvy fotek rozcestniku by melo byt
vpravo nahore tlacitko pridat obrazek.

Bye

Dne 12. června 2017 11:18 Martin Měřinský  napsal(a):
> On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 11:07 +0200, Tom Ka wrote:
>> proste fotogtrafii nahrajte.
>
> Jak? :-) Tlačítko "Vložit fotografii" u rozcestníků s fotkou není.
> Díky. Martin M.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků

[Vaclav Kroupar]

Tlacitko na nahrani fotky je vpravo nahore na mape. 

Václav Kroupar

12. 6. 2017 v 11:07, Tom Ka :

> Zdravim,
> 
> proste fotogtrafii nahrajte. zatim se to nijak neresi, ale casem bude
> mozne pracovat s vice fotkami, schovat starsi apod.
> 
> Diky
> 
> 
> Dne 12. června 2017 10:58 Martin Měřinský  napsal(a):
>> Dobrý den,
>> občas nahraji nějakou fotografii rozcestníku na openstreetmap.cz.
>> 
>> Jak mám posutpovat, pokud mám aktuálnějí / čitelnější / lepší
>> fotografii rozcestníku, který již fotografii má? Např. na původní
>> fotografii je vidět pouze část šipek a já chci tuto fotografii nahradit
>> koláží se všemi šipkami. Nevidím možnost nahrát více fotek nebo
>> nahradit současnou.
>> 
>> Děkuji Martin M.
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[Talk-GB] Access tagging for buses and service=bus

[Harry Wood]

I came across a few tagging quirks to do with bus access and specifically 
"service=bus"
First of all there's some roads with service=Bus (uppercase B). So that's 
definitely a mistake.Only exists in a cluster in Manchester ...plus a small 
cluster in Sao 
Paulo!:https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22service%22%3D%22Bus%22+global

The idea of the service=bus tag is to allow a bus routing system to know that a 
service road is for buses, with the implication that all other service roads 
should be not for buses. That was a surprise to me. When I configured a bus 
routing system (doing this as part of my day job at TransportAPI), it didn't 
occur to me to disallow buses driving down service roads, but maybe I should 
rethink that.
In any case it seems to me that the access tagging should be regarded as 
orthogonal to this. What I mean is, while we might tag a road as service=bus, 
we should also make sure that all these special roads for buses ...allow buses! 
If they're access=no, then we need to also make sure they are bus=yes (or 
psv=yes). Sounds reasonable?
So I came up with this Overpass query to try to find those problems 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pDR  Not too many.
Should we go ahead and fix those things? Quite a small job. I can do it myself 
actually.

There are many other problems (bigger problems!) we could fix with bus data in 
the UK. For example an extension of this idea would be to check for access 
tagging on all ways which are part of bus route relations. And of course 
there's coverage of the bus route relations themselves. That's something we 
were discussing here as a possible UK quarterly mapping project: 
https://www.loomio.org/d/uBc7x1Ok/quarterly-project-july-sept2017
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des groupes locaux

[Antoine Riche]

Pourquoi pas mais avant de faire compliqué je souhaite faire simple et 
remplacer au plus vite cette carte qui n'a rien à voir. Et puis la carte 
s'intitule "Rencontres régulières" : il me semble intéressant de faire 
apparaître cette régularité de rencontres et ateliers sur le site.


Bien sûr ça n'empêche pas d'expérimenter une carte des événements avec 
OED :-)


Déjà 3 groupes sur le Calc : continuez continuez !

Antoine.

Le 12/06/2017 à 09:14, Guillaume AMAT a écrit :

Salut,

Bonne idée Antoine ! L'idéal serait peut-être d'enregistrer les 
évènements dans OpenEventDatabase et d'aller les chercher 
automatiquement dans la carte non ?

Z'en dîtes quoi les gens ?

Guillaume


12 juin 2017 08:52 "Antoine Riche" > a écrit:


Bonjour,

La page http://openstreetmap.fr/calendrier montre une carte qui ne
correspond plus du tout aux rencontres régulières des groupes
locaux : elle ressemble plutôt à un test d'import d'un fichier KML
en Nouvelle Aquitaine. Le crédit de la carte renvoie vers le site
http://karoutcho.fr/ qui n'a rien à voir...

Je propose de créer une nouvelle carte, j'ai créé un tableur pour
cela : https://framacalc.org/osm-groupes-locaux

Si vous faites partie d'un groupe local merci d'ajouter une ligne
sur le Framacalc. Le User ne sera pas publié mais servira à vous
donner le droit d'éditer la carte uMap. Les Lat et Lon sont
optionnels, mais mettez une adresse bien formatée. Vous pouvez si
vous le souhaitez ajouter un descriptif, ou une autre colonne à
laquelle je n'ai pas pensé.

J'importerai d'ici fin juin le tableur dans une carte uMap, pour
remplacer celle sur le site.

Merci,
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Re: [Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků

[Martin Měřinský]

On Mon, 2017-06-12 at 11:07 +0200, Tom Ka wrote:
> proste fotogtrafii nahrajte.

Jak? :-) Tlačítko "Vložit fotografii" u rozcestníků s fotkou není.
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Re: [Talk-cz] LinuxDays a OpenAlt 2017 (SotM)

[Tom Ka]

Diky, zalozil jsem rovnou stranku na wiki, at je to nekde prehledne dohromady:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:SotM2017

Piste ale prosim primarne sem, zde to uvidi mnohem vic lidi a muze na
to reagovat.

Bye


Dne 12. června 2017 11:00 Miroslav Suchý  napsal(a):
> Dne 12.6.2017 v 10:40 Tom Ka napsal(a):
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> doplnuji slibene informace k SotM/OpenAlt dle diskuze na pivu a s Ladou:
>>
>> - v prvni fazi jsem rekl, ze se pokusim oslovit lidi, kteri by podle
>> mne meli co rict
>> - podle jejich poctu pak jsou dva scenare
>>-> malo -> OSM related prednasky se zacleni nekam mezi ostatni veci,
>> specificka OSM cast nebude
>>-> dost -> zacne se propagovat a prezentovat OSM track/sekce nebo
>> jak tomu chcete rikat.
>>
>> - je mozna i castecna kombinace obojiho - OSM prednasky pro neznale v
>> ramci jinych sekci a separatni cast pro starsi a pokrocile
>>
>> - kdyz jsem prochazel zdroje z lonska vypadly mi tato temata a
>> (neuplny seznam lidi, ktere s nima mam spojeny). Poprosil bych tedy
>> dotycne (a jakekoliv dalsi neuvedene lidi) zda by se mi mohli ozvat s
>> tim ze - se konference (aktivne) zucastni a tema sedi. Zkusim to zatim
>> nejak evidovat nez se s Ladou dohodneme na dalsim postupu.
>>
>> * OSM a kone (Pavel Machek)
>> * MHD, jizdni rady, doprava (Jethro, Pavel Machek)
>> * PhotoDB (Walley)
>> * turisticke trasy, rozcestniky & related (tom.k, mkyral, petrl1888,
>> Jakub Těšínský (gorn?))
>> * cyklo trasy & related (Jan Martinec?)
>> * mosty (Severak)
>> * postovni schranky (mkyral, mnoho dalsich)
>> * web osmap.cz (zbycz)
>> * tvorba map (martin tesar, jan skala (paws))
>> * preklady wiki, osm wiki (dalibor)
>> * organizace OSM (vop)
>> * freemap.sk? (Martin Ždila)
>> * OSM buildings, OSM 3D (vop, ?)
>> * sluzby pro OSM komunity (Petr Vejsada)
>>
>> Pro inspiraci: https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm
>>
>> A info k OpenAlt: 4. – 5. listopad 2017, Brno, areál FIT VUT
>> Božetechova-Královo Pole, https://openalt.cz/2017/
>
>
> Já určitě něco pošlu. Přemýšlím nad tématy HOSM, začátečníci, pořizování dat
> v terénu, 3D buildings. Případně bych mohl pomoci s nějakou turistikou
> přednáškou/workshopem.
>
>
> Mirek
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků

[Tom Ka]

Zdravim,

proste fotogtrafii nahrajte. zatim se to nijak neresi, ale casem bude
mozne pracovat s vice fotkami, schovat starsi apod.

Diky


Dne 12. června 2017 10:58 Martin Měřinský  napsal(a):
> Dobrý den,
> občas nahraji nějakou fotografii rozcestníku na openstreetmap.cz.
>
> Jak mám posutpovat, pokud mám aktuálnějí / čitelnější / lepší
> fotografii rozcestníku, který již fotografii má? Např. na původní
> fotografii je vidět pouze část šipek a já chci tuto fotografii nahradit
> koláží se všemi šipkami. Nevidím možnost nahrát více fotek nebo
> nahradit současnou.
>
> Děkuji Martin M.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] application web "layers" d'OSM France

[Art Penteur]

Je viens de voir que c'est fait.

Merci !

Art.

Le 19 mars 2017 à 11:34, Art Penteur  a écrit :

> +1
> (même si j'aurais titré le message plus explicitement, p. ex. : "Supprimer
> références obsolète à MapQquest Open dans layers français"
>
> Art.
>
> Le 18 mars 2017 à 16:06, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
>
>> Cette appli référence encore le fond de carte MapQuest Open qui est
>> définitivement fermé sans clé d'accès.
>>
>> Ne peut-on pas le remplacer par le fond de carte cyclable et le fond
>> transport qui n'y sont pas encore (mais figurent dans les fonds par défaut
>> de l'appli web OSM.org) ?
>>
>> Y a-t-il d'autres fonds français qui seraient intéresssants (par exemple
>> celui de 3liz.com si on a un accord de leur part... histoire de leur
>> faire de la publicité au lieu encore de promouvoir Mapquest) ?
>>
>>
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [Talk-cz] LinuxDays a OpenAlt 2017 (SotM)

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 12.6.2017 v 10:40 Tom Ka napsal(a):

Ahoj,

doplnuji slibene informace k SotM/OpenAlt dle diskuze na pivu a s Ladou:

- v prvni fazi jsem rekl, ze se pokusim oslovit lidi, kteri by podle
mne meli co rict
- podle jejich poctu pak jsou dva scenare
   -> malo -> OSM related prednasky se zacleni nekam mezi ostatni veci,
specificka OSM cast nebude
   -> dost -> zacne se propagovat a prezentovat OSM track/sekce nebo
jak tomu chcete rikat.

- je mozna i castecna kombinace obojiho - OSM prednasky pro neznale v
ramci jinych sekci a separatni cast pro starsi a pokrocile

- kdyz jsem prochazel zdroje z lonska vypadly mi tato temata a
(neuplny seznam lidi, ktere s nima mam spojeny). Poprosil bych tedy
dotycne (a jakekoliv dalsi neuvedene lidi) zda by se mi mohli ozvat s
tim ze - se konference (aktivne) zucastni a tema sedi. Zkusim to zatim
nejak evidovat nez se s Ladou dohodneme na dalsim postupu.

* OSM a kone (Pavel Machek)
* MHD, jizdni rady, doprava (Jethro, Pavel Machek)
* PhotoDB (Walley)
* turisticke trasy, rozcestniky & related (tom.k, mkyral, petrl1888,
Jakub Těšínský (gorn?))
* cyklo trasy & related (Jan Martinec?)
* mosty (Severak)
* postovni schranky (mkyral, mnoho dalsich)
* web osmap.cz (zbycz)
* tvorba map (martin tesar, jan skala (paws))
* preklady wiki, osm wiki (dalibor)
* organizace OSM (vop)
* freemap.sk? (Martin Ždila)
* OSM buildings, OSM 3D (vop, ?)
* sluzby pro OSM komunity (Petr Vejsada)

Pro inspiraci: https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm

A info k OpenAlt: 4. – 5. listopad 2017, Brno, areál FIT VUT
Božetechova-Královo Pole, https://openalt.cz/2017/


Já určitě něco pošlu. Přemýšlím nad tématy HOSM, začátečníci, pořizování 
dat v terénu, 3D buildings. Případně bych mohl pomoci s nějakou 
turistikou přednáškou/workshopem.



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[Talk-cz] Foto rozcestníků

[Martin Měřinský]

Dobrý den,
občas nahraji nějakou fotografii rozcestníku na openstreetmap.cz.

Jak mám posutpovat, pokud mám aktuálnějí / čitelnější / lepší
fotografii rozcestníku, který již fotografii má? Např. na původní
fotografii je vidět pouze část šipek a já chci tuto fotografii nahradit
koláží se všemi šipkami. Nevidím možnost nahrát více fotek nebo
nahradit současnou.

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Re: [Talk-cz] LinuxDays a OpenAlt 2017 (SotM)

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj,

doplnuji slibene informace k SotM/OpenAlt dle diskuze na pivu a s Ladou:

- v prvni fazi jsem rekl, ze se pokusim oslovit lidi, kteri by podle
mne meli co rict
- podle jejich poctu pak jsou dva scenare
  -> malo -> OSM related prednasky se zacleni nekam mezi ostatni veci,
specificka OSM cast nebude
  -> dost -> zacne se propagovat a prezentovat OSM track/sekce nebo
jak tomu chcete rikat.

- je mozna i castecna kombinace obojiho - OSM prednasky pro neznale v
ramci jinych sekci a separatni cast pro starsi a pokrocile

- kdyz jsem prochazel zdroje z lonska vypadly mi tato temata a
(neuplny seznam lidi, ktere s nima mam spojeny). Poprosil bych tedy
dotycne (a jakekoliv dalsi neuvedene lidi) zda by se mi mohli ozvat s
tim ze - se konference (aktivne) zucastni a tema sedi. Zkusim to zatim
nejak evidovat nez se s Ladou dohodneme na dalsim postupu.

* OSM a kone (Pavel Machek)
* MHD, jizdni rady, doprava (Jethro, Pavel Machek)
* PhotoDB (Walley)
* turisticke trasy, rozcestniky & related (tom.k, mkyral, petrl1888,
Jakub Těšínský (gorn?))
* cyklo trasy & related (Jan Martinec?)
* mosty (Severak)
* postovni schranky (mkyral, mnoho dalsich)
* web osmap.cz (zbycz)
* tvorba map (martin tesar, jan skala (paws))
* preklady wiki, osm wiki (dalibor)
* organizace OSM (vop)
* freemap.sk? (Martin Ždila)
* OSM buildings, OSM 3D (vop, ?)
* sluzby pro OSM komunity (Petr Vejsada)

Pro inspiraci: https://openstreetmap.cz/sotm

A info k OpenAlt: 4. – 5. listopad 2017, Brno, areál FIT VUT
Božetechova-Královo Pole, https://openalt.cz/2017/

Diky vsem.


Dne 8. června 2017 1:17 Ladislav Nesnera  napsal(a):
> Na qpivu jsem slíbil shrnout dosavadní vývoj příprav OA17
>
> proběhla první schůzka týmu a v pondělí 2017-06-12 od 19:00 na FITu
> Božetěchova 2 bude další hlavně o
>
> smyslu, cílovce a celkové dramaturgii
>
> prostory jsou rezervovány
> máme záštitu primátora
> informace o konání vypuštěna do světa = hledáme přednášející a partnery
> (letáček), sbíráme tipy, propagujeme (zde máme veliké rezervy)
> do příprav letoška se zapojují
>
> base48 | https://base48.cz/
> komunita alternativ ve vzdělávání | Veronika (toho času Londýn)
> komunita OSM | https://openstreetmap.cz/komunita
> Open Access.cz | http://openaccess.cz/
> Open Content, z. s. |
> https://or.justice.cz/ias/ui/rejstrik-$firma?=06041078
> OpenAlt | https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAlt
> OSGeo.cz | http://osgeo.cz/
> ?? SU FIT | http://www.su.fit.vutbr.cz/
> vpsFree | https://vpsfree.cz/
>
> wikipedisté trochu posílí své zastoupení
>
> Víc mě nenapadá   ;?
>
>
>
> On 26.4.2017 07:42, Pavel Zbytovský wrote:
>
> čau,
>
> také bych se rád účastnil obou akcí. Na obou bych rád nabídl workshopy pro
> začátečníky, pokročilé a případně i přednášky (indoor, osmcz, jsmapy atd)
>
> ad LinuxDays-Praha) stánek je bezva nápad!
>
> ad OpenAlt-Brno) Rádi bychom tam udělali OSMCZ track a též SotM CZ+SK 2017.
> V Brně jsme se sešli ve složení Mirek,Tkk,Vop,Láďa,já. Můžete se prosím
> ozvat, kdo byste měli zájem se do užší organizace akce zapojit?
>
> Mějte se fajn!
> Pavel
>
>
> // Relevantní maily/thready jsou tyto:
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Ladislav Nesnera 
> Date: Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] spolecna konference osgeo, wikimedia, osm
>
> Shrnu pro ty, co neusledovali vývoj:
>
> Wikimedia.CZ probere na své schůzce a dá vědět
> OSGeo.cz prožene přes svůj bord
> OSM.cz - včera pár lidí využilo návštěvu Pavla Zbytovského v Brně a
> prohodilo k tomu pár slov, o která se jistě vzápětí podělí
> OpenAlt, z.s. - se zájmem vyčkává
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Miroslav Suchy 
> Date: Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Talk-cz] SOTM CZ 2017
>
>> díky za dotaz, "něco" se chystá.
> To "něco" je zřejmě OpenAlt. Ještě to není 100%. Ale letošní SOTM bude asi
> součástí OpenAltu:
>https://openalt.cz/2017/
> Datum OpenAltu je už jisté, tak se mrkněte.
> Mohli bychom mít celý track. Tj. když budete chtít, můžete být celý den
> zalezlí na OSM přednáškách. Ale pokud vás
> některá nebude bavit tak můžete zavítat do nějaké jiné posluchárny a
> poslechnout si přednášku z jiné Open* oblasti.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:46 PM Marián Kyral  wrote:
>>
>> Ahoj,
>> tak se zase pomalu blíží podzim ;-) a s tím i Linux Days [1] a OpenAlt
>> [2].
>>
>> Letos uvažuji, že bych se zúčastnil obou akcí. Na Linux Days se mi
>> posledně líbilo, a mohl bych pokračovat ve své loňské přednášce "OSM včera,
>> dnes a zítra". Loni jsem za 50 minut stěží stihl historii, letos by to mohla
>> být současnost a za rok si dáme budoucnost :-D
>> Na OpenAlt jsem sice ještě nebyl, ale možné pokračování loňského SOTM si
>> nemůžu nechat ujít ;-)
>>
>> Přidá se někdo? Co třeba nějaký stánek propagující OSM na Linux Days? Loni
>> se mně na to ptali, ale já nejsem typ na tyhle věci. A letos je ještě
>> relativně dost času něco zorganizovat, sehnat sponzory, vyrobit 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] duplicates originating from GRB merge

[Glenn Plas]

Hi Seppe,

Sorry it took me a while to open my mailbox lately.

On 02-06-17 19:22, Santens Seppe wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> From time to time, I'm seeing duplicate nodes or areas that I reckon are
> due to (wrong use) of the GRB merge tools. One striking example:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1017110 (let the JOSM validator run
> on this area)

It looks indeed a problem caused by the user, exporting twice, it's kind
of strange this goes unnoticed by the mapper.  I think the docs of the
development tool clearly says to validate and validate again.

Right now it's impossible to be caused by the database, in the past if a
building was in 2 different datasets (at a province border usually) it
got double exported.  This is fixed now, even when the source data
shares objects(even in de database), only 1 will be extracted.

> 
> Is there any news about the tools? I see they are being used quite
> often, but probably not always in the correct way. I guess making them
> somewhat "dummy proof" would help (I'm also speaking for myself :-) )...

A new tool is in development [1], taking in all what was learned and
building a better one.  Making it a bit more dummy-proof is perhaps an
option but it is intended for seasoned mappers in the first place.

There is also a tool[2] based on terraform/google cloud to build the
database from scratch (and translating tags/keys), it's working 100% but
the OSM translations of quite a few objects isn't implemented yet.   The
data in the test/dev tool is therefor changed and less correct
(building='verdieping' is now in there, it wasn't before).  The GRB data
was already a year old so I rebuilt it but this time 100% automated and
I still have to add those queries to the postprocessing.

I have fixed that area you mentioned but I haven't doublechecked the
area yet.

There is a screenshot[3] too if you're curious.

Thanks for doing this Q/A work and reporting it.

Glenn



[1] https://github.com/gplv2/grbtool
[2] https://github.com/gplv2/grb-postgis
[3]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gplv2/grbtool/master/screenshots/grbtool_new.png

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[OSM-talk-fr] Carte des groupes locaux

[Antoine Riche]

Bonjour,

La page http://openstreetmap.fr/calendrier montre une carte qui ne 
correspond plus du tout aux rencontres régulières des groupes locaux : 
elle ressemble plutôt à un test d'import d'un fichier KML en Nouvelle 
Aquitaine. Le crédit de la carte renvoie vers le site 
http://karoutcho.fr/ qui n'a rien à voir...


Je propose de créer une nouvelle carte, j'ai créé un tableur pour cela : 
https://framacalc.org/osm-groupes-locaux


Si vous faites partie d'un groupe local merci d'ajouter une ligne sur le 
Framacalc. Le User ne sera pas publié mais servira à vous donner le 
droit d'éditer la carte uMap. Les Lat et Lon sont optionnels, mais 
mettez une adresse bien formatée. Vous pouvez si vous le souhaitez 
ajouter un descriptif, ou une autre colonne à laquelle je n'ai pas pensé.


J'importerai d'ici fin juin le tableur dans une carte uMap, pour 
remplacer celle sur le site.


Merci,
Antoine.






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