Re: 8.8.2.6
Hi Maxim, the issue is still there that TB doesn't notice a flag that was changed while TB is not running. I just reproduced it again: I change an email from flagged to unflagged on K9 (Android) while TB is running: TB notices the change I quit TB, change the flag while TB is NOT running, start TB again and the flag is still in the old state, TB doesn't notice the change. Tried the same with TB6 and it works there. E-Mail Provider is Gmail (IMAP). I can use the GMail Web interface instead of K9 and can reproduce it just the same. I also tried clearing the folder's cache, but the result is the same. I observed one thing, though: If the message is not stored locally (only the header) and then you click on the message in the message list, TB will get the content from the server and THEN also update the flag. On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 1:51 PM Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA < tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com> wrote: > The Bat! 8.8.2.6 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8826-32.rar > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8826-64.rar > > What's new in 8.8.2.6 since 8.8.2.5: > [-] Fixed an Access Violation error that could happen on The Bat! startup > rarely when using Google OAuth authentication > [-] Fixed some minor AVs which could happen on exit > [-] 0001642: [wish] Expand "Quick Search" to also search in the "Tags" > column > [-] 0001653: "Quick Reply" uses HTML-formatting instead of plain text > [-] 0001671: Image download button is hidden > [-] 0001641: The macro %TEXT produces different results for replies and > forwards > [-] 0001677: Truncated translation in Italian in global Preferences > [-] 0001451: Cant print with Landscape orientation > [-] 0001678: Truncated strings in the MultiSMTP dialog > [-] 0001686: More space for translation on checkboxes of the Address Book > Duplicate Search Wizard > [-] 0001689: Truncated strings in the Message Tags dialog > [-] 0001709: Truncated strings with Greek interface > [-] 0001739: Embedded images in HTML messages get narrower while replying > [-] 0001740: Deleted tags still appear in the message list popup menu > [-] OAuth: added label displaying requested url > > > > > > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.5
Hi Gleason, I tried that already (and re-downloaded the whole 5 GB folder twice). Of course the messages that were flagged incorrectly are then downloaded right, but the next time another client unflags a message, it happens again. It doesn't seem to be about the message database anyway: When I start thebat64.exe (v6.8) in the same folder, the flags are updated correctly. It truely seems to be a bug. On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 4:01 PM Gleason wrote: > Carsten, > > Clear Cache in folder properties will usually fix things like that. > > > Hi Maxim, > > I tried out 8.8.2.5, mostly to see if it is worth upgrading vom TB v6, and > noticed one serious issue: > > When a flagged e-mail in the INBOX (Gmail in my case) gets unflagged by > another client while TB 8 is not running, TB8 will keep it as flagged and > not realize the status change. > > Example: I have a message from two weeks ago. On another email client (for > example TB6 an a different computer, or K9 on my Android) I unflag that > e-mail. Then i start TB8 again and the e-mail is still flagged! I can't > even unflag it there, the flag just stays or keeps coming back. Only way to > have TB8 notice the status update is by parking it, only then it gets that > the message is not flagged on the IMAP server anymore. > > With TB6 everything works perfectly, TB6 recognizes, for example, when I > unflag a message on TB8 or K9. > > Reproducable over and over again here. > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:26 PM Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA < > tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com> wrote: > > The Bat! 8.8.2.5 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8825-32.rar > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8825-64.rar > > What's new in 8.8.2.5 since 8.8.2.4: > [*] Slightly faster loading messages from folders of 50K messages or more > on IMAP > [-] 0001743: iCloud Contacts synchronization > > > > > > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > > > > *-- Gleason* > > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.5
Hi Maxim, I tried out 8.8.2.5, mostly to see if it is worth upgrading vom TB v6, and noticed one serious issue: When a flagged e-mail in the INBOX (Gmail in my case) gets unflagged by another client while TB 8 is not running, TB8 will keep it as flagged and not realize the status change. Example: I have a message from two weeks ago. On another email client (for example TB6 an a different computer, or K9 on my Android) I unflag that e-mail. Then i start TB8 again and the e-mail is still flagged! I can't even unflag it there, the flag just stays or keeps coming back. Only way to have TB8 notice the status update is by parking it, only then it gets that the message is not flagged on the IMAP server anymore. With TB6 everything works perfectly, TB6 recognizes, for example, when I unflag a message on TB8 or K9. Reproducable over and over again here. On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:26 PM Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA < tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com> wrote: > The Bat! 8.8.2.5 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8825-32.rar > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8825-64.rar > > What's new in 8.8.2.5 since 8.8.2.4: > [*] Slightly faster loading messages from folders of 50K messages or more > on IMAP > [-] 0001743: iCloud Contacts synchronization > > > > > > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug: Virtual Folder auto refresh
Unchecking that option in settings of a VF does not work, the VF still refreshes automatically. Tested like this: created VF that shows unread mail of an IMAP folder selected VF new mail in that IMAP folder arrives -> it shows in the VF even though I did not do a manual refresh. Current beta is 5.3.4.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF problem still there
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:21 AM, MAU wrote: > No, the discussion is pointless not 'because it works for me' but > because you don't understand what I am trying to say (or I can't explain > it more clearly), and because, no matter how much we discuss, you are > going to keep thinking there is a bug m(*) and I am convinced there is > not and it is WAD. > > So, why continue the discussion? Because what you say is just a question of definition. Even if this does not qualify as a bug, it may still be a FAIL. We don't even know if this behaviour was intendet (which I cannot imagine, since it is of disadvantage to the user). If it was not intended then this should be fixed. If it was intended and does not make sense, then it should be fixed as well. I changed the subject. Pleased? ;-) Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:29 PM, MAU wrote: > Forget it. Do you understand what 'pointless' means? Apparently for you it means to stop a discussion with "for me it works. I don't care if it doesn't work for you, or if the solution that would work for you wouldn't change anything for me, because I don't have a problem." Great. Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:07 AM, MAU wrote: > I think it is a bit pointless to continue with this discussion, no one > is going to convince the other if there is a bug or not. Anyway, I will > tell you how I do things myself which, of course, to me, it seems a bit > more logic. Well, there is one thing I find pretty convincing: The old VF behaviour (not removing the currently selected message) would not destroy your process, while the current behaviour destroys ours. So what's the argument against keeping the currently selected message in the VF list until the user selects another? I haven't seen one. So why don't we agree on that this should be fixed? BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM, RS (FEDARA) wrote: > DC> unless there is some reason why marking it read right away > DC> interferes with what one wants to do with the message > > In example you read or just scan a message but you don't have time to > deal with it at the moment . In that way it stays in example in your > main (cumulative) folder and waits for it's turn. This is exactly why my virtual folders are configured to show all unread and flagged mail. If I have read an email and still want to work with it later (e.g. write a long answer) I will simply flag it, so it stays in the virtual folder. This, by the way, is one thing that isn't possible anymore in v5, because often the email will disappear from the list once read and I can't set the flag anymore. Of course you could also misuse the read/unread status to mark emails that still need to be worked on, instead of flagging them or using colours or whatever. However, this is not what the read/unread status is designed for, because then it's just limited to be used as another kind of flag, not making use of the special ability of read/unread, which is to be set from read to unread state automatically after displaying a message. BTW, that's why it's called "read"/"unread" and not "done" / "still needs work" :-) Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Raymund Tump wrote: > Which leads to a slightly different scenario but as annoying. > > 1. Mail is shown on mail ticker. > 2. I open the mail as I'm interested in it > 3. A filter is triggered for this mail and the mail is sorted out to a > different folder therefore removing it from the mail ticker. > 4. As the message is no longer in the VF, TB closes my message window. > > This is clearly not expected. Sounds to me like it's the exact same bug. The message that is currently open suddenly doesn''t fulfill the VF criteria anymore and therefore gets closed/removed from the list, even though the user is still working with it. Ritlabs, please fix this. There was a bug in BT, but it was pretty much ignored (as usual). BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM, MAU wrote: > > Wouldn't it make much more sense to mark a message as read (*) when you > have actually finished reading it and after deciding if you want to flag > it, delete it, park it, tag it, reply or forward it, assign it to a > color group or perhaps just leaving it as unread? > > (*) Using Smart Space, Ctrl+M (or any key combination you want to > customise) or from RMB menu if you are using the mouse. > > I disagree. Almost every email client/interface on this planet, from Hotmail to the iPhone, marks an email as read when you open it for reading. And this for good reason: Usually people read an email after they open it, which is generally the purpose of opening an email. Having to manually mark them as read, especially when using the mouse, is an unnecessary task. Also, what is the disadvantage of keeping the email currently being looked at in the VF's message list? I bet my ass that Ritlabs didn't implement the current behaviour on purpose. They just made the VFs refresh more often (which is generally good) and don't care about this side effect that actually destroys a useful process for users. That process being to have a VF that shows all your unread mail from various accounts/folders. Not such an unusual way to handle new mail one would think. BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
Probably the best (and easiest) way to handle this would be that a VF, while open, does not remove any messages automatically, and only adds the new ones. Removing only takes place once you either refresh manually or leave the VF. That's how v4 handled it and it definitely made sense. On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz < gutha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, it makes absolutely no sense to remove the message from the VF while > it is still selected. Having the message selected in the message list (and > open in the preview pane) means it is a message currently being looked at, > so refreshing its state in the VF only makes sense once you have FINISHED > working with this message (i.e. selected another one). > > The result of the message being removed from the list while you are still > working with it is dramatic: > - you can't flag it, as it's not in the list anymore > - you can't delete it > - you can't mark it as unread > - you can't park it > - ... > > If you want to do any of these thing, you'll have to search for the folder > the message is located in. If your VF draws on many folders this may be a > long search. > > It's not such an usual way to have a VF show unread messages, but with the > current bug it's absolutely useless. And the worst part is that it worked > right in v4! > > BRgds, > Carsten > Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
> I don't consider this to be a bug. If the message you are viewing, or any other message in the same folder, is already marked as read when the VF refreshes, I would say it is normal and to be expected that the message(s) disappear from the VF. As you say, your VF is configured to show *unread* messages. Well, it makes absolutely no sense to remove the message from the VF while it is still selected. Having the message selected in the message list (and open in the preview pane) means it is a message currently being looked at, so refreshing its state in the VF only makes sense once you have FINISHED working with this message (i.e. selected another one). The result of the message being removed from the list while you are still working with it is dramatic: - you can't flag it, as it's not in the list anymore - you can't delete it - you can't mark it as unread - you can't park it - ... If you want to do any of these thing, you'll have to search for the folder the message is located in. If your VF draws on many folders this may be a long search. It's not such an usual way to have a VF show unread messages, but with the current bug it's absolutely useless. And the worst part is that it worked right in v4! BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
5.1.6.2 VF bug still there
The bug that the message I am currently reading in a VF disappears as soon as the virtual folder gets refreshed is still there. This happens if a VF is configured to show unread emails, which then of course become read when you click on them. Then you better hurry if you want to flag the message, because as soon as a new unread message comes in (causing the VF to refresh) your message will disappear from the VF. Bug exists and was reported since v5.0. Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost messages of old IMAP account
Hi, I disagree. The decision was a good one and made during the > development phase of TB! v5 to avoid corruption of the database of a > v4 running on the same database. Yes, during DEVELOPMENT (alpha/beta cycle) this may make sense, but not for a release product and not to leave these files there for all eternity (without asking/informing the user!). Ok, this assumes that a product is actually ready for release when it's released :-) > Additionally the interpretation of > some data in the files changed (slightly) TB!4 sees something else > than TB!5. > What exactly is that? I see no change. > > I recently freed 32 GB by deleting the logfiles for my 4 IMAP > connection logs :-) > > Where are these located? I have no .log file exceeding 1 MB. BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost messages of old IMAP account
> Have you tried importing the messages from the TBB files? Tools/Import Just out of curiosity I tried it, went back to v5 and chose Tools/Import/TBB: The messages get read, it says "2913 mails imported" or so, but they appear nowhere. It does not even ask me which folder I want to store them to, and they don't appear in either the folder I selected or the one they were from (in the inactive account). Bummer. And slowly I'm finding out more: The difference in file/folder structure between v4 and v5 is as follows: In v4 the cache files (*.TBB, *.TBN) are located directly in the MAIL\[accountname] folder. In v5 the arey located in MAIL\[account name]\IMAP. So for my inactive account I created the IMAP folder (which didn't exist, probably only gets created once messages are downloaded). Then I copied (well, created a symlink) the cache files into the IMAP folder. Voila, all messages are there, even in v5. What does this mean? I can't believe it, but the re-downloading of all IMAP messages when upgrading from v4 to v5 is not due to a different cache format or anything like that, it's simply because the cache file location was moved into a sub-folder! And instead of moving the files there, TB makes you download all messages again! And also makes you lose your folder synchronization settings. For nothing! On top of that all the old files stay on your hard drive. This is so ridiculous. Tons of GB of Internet bandwidth wasted, plus filling people's hard drives for no reaon. In my opinion, whoever is responsible for that should be fired. I just freed 8 GB of hard drive space by deleting duplicate cache files!! Ticket created: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=9054 Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost messages of old IMAP account
> Have you tried importing the messages from the TBB files? Tools/Import I haven't tried that, not sure if it would work. Instead I did something else: I re-installed v4. God this feels good! Finally virtual folders and a quick search field that are useable!! And it also brought all my messages back. Even in other (active) IMAP accounts, all cached messages were still there up to the date I updated to v5, only the newer ones needed to be downloaded. So it seems that Ritlabs really leaves those old cache files on the hard drive for no use. Except for people going back to v4, which is a valid reason in my opinion, concerning all the bugs of v5 and Ritlab's attitude towards them :-) I don't think this was the reason, though, probably more likely just some careless programming. Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost messages of old IMAP account
Unfortunately I have no idea what naming structure these files have, as there are several files and the only indicator I have is their size. No idea which ones are new or old, and if new cache files even got created when TB wasn't able to connect to the server. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Dwight Corrin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 9:18:24 AM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: > > > - new cache files were created, all messages were re-downloaded > > (which in my case resulted in empty folders, as access to the server > wasn't possible) > > - the old cache files stay on disk but are not used anymore. > > if that's the case, shouldn't it be quite easy to figure out the names > of the new empty cache files, rename the old files and be good to go? > Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost messages of old IMAP account
Hi Tony, I know very well how IMAP works :-) However, the server couldn't tell TheBat that the messages were deleted, because access to the server was denied the minute my account got deactivated. The scenario you describe would happen if the account was still active, but the folder contents were deleted. Then, of course, TB would delete the local folder contents as well. In my case, the account became deactivated, so TB couldn't connect and therefore never got any information like "folders are empty". In fact, at some point I changed the domain to something invalid and told TB to stop trying to synchronize, as all I needed was access to the local copy of the messages. This local copy is definitely still there, or else the account's MAIL folder wouldn't be over 1 GB in size. To me it seems like TB did the following when updating from v4 to v5: - new cache files were created, all messages were re-downloaded (which in my case resulted in empty folders, as access to the server wasn't possible) - the old cache files stay on disk but are not used anymore. So most IMAP users should now have their old cache files on disk, eating up lots of space despite not being used. Good job, Ritlabs! Cheers, Carsten On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Tony Hoare wrote: > Hello Carsten, > > > How can I access these messages? And what is this, that they stay > > on the hard drive but are not shown in TB v5? > > I hope this isn't true for you but, with IMAP, TB! only has a cache of > the messages on the server because the server has the 'master' copy. > This is unlike POP3 where the mail is downloaded to the client. > > If TB! has contacted the server and was told that all messages have > been deleted, TB! will (should) delete the local cache. > > Hopefully, you have a backup. It is also worth noting that you can > upload messages to a server with IMAP. Simply copy them to the > required IMAP folder and TB! will upload them. If you recover your > messages make sure that TB! cannot contact the server (to be told to > delete them again). You can then copy them to another IMAP server. > > Good luck! > > -- > Best regards, > Tonymailto:t...@parkinch.co.uk > > The Bat! 5.0.34.2 > > > > Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: lost messages of old IMAP account
Didn't work. Folders stay empty. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Eddie Castelli <50minco...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi carsten, > > just short as i am mobile. Try the 'magic' key combination > shift-ctrl-alt+L : this is to get back lost foldeers. I had to do this on > an archieve account i did under v4. Let us know how it worked - good luck. > Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
lost messages of old IMAP account
Hello Tbbeta, I used to have an IMAP account with my university, all messages were cached in The Bat (v4 at the time). Even after I quit that university and didn't have access to this account anymore, I could still read all my messages in The Bat. Now I am at v5, and am trying to read messages of that account again: All folders are empty! Even though the mail account folder on the hard drive is 1 Gig in size, so the messages must still be there. How can I access these messages? And what is this, that they stay on the hard drive but are not shown in TB v5? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bugs not being fixed
> 4: Start with connection center set to "show always": connection centre does > not show, only after selecting "hide" and then again "show always" will it > appear again. Reported by me quite some time ago, apparently noone cares. > 5: IMAP INBOX of an account set to "full synchronize" / "download entire > message". I start TB, having a different folder selected, one new unread > message shows up in that INBOX. I quit TB, cut the Internet connection, start > TB again: I can't read that new message! Apparently it has NOT been > downloaded. > 6: the quick search... Not to forget: Window Split Mode does not stick. When rebooting in a different resolution the Window Split Mode gets reset from Horizontal Split to full height account tree. I reported this already with v4.x (maybe even 3.x). -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bugs not being fixed
> 1: VF's don't work as well as in V4 > 2: Constant hangs forcing a restart > 3: And most importantly, FILTERS Still nmot working right. The list is endless... 4: Start with connection center set to "show always": connection centre does not show, only after selecting "hide" and then again "show always" will it appear again. Reported by me quite some time ago, apparently noone cares. 5: IMAP INBOX of an account set to "full synchronize" / "download entire message". I start TB, having a different folder selected, one new unread message shows up in that INBOX. I quit TB, cut the Internet connection, start TB again: I can't read that new message! Apparently it has NOT been downloaded. 6: the quick search... I will pass by again in a year and see if things have changed. Until then I'm back at v4. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bugs not being fixed
Just installed 5.0.32 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8929 Still there, VF not working correctly. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8932 Still exists, quick search problem (maybe a little different now, but far from fixed). Why do I even report these bugs, make videos etc if they are not addressed? This is so frustrating. Surprising that Ritlabs still has beta testers at all. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.30.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: quick search function
> What I usually see is that when writing something into Search input > field and clicking enter it chops half of the letters. E.i. you have > to write and hit enter very fast. Sometimes it doesn't open new tab at all. Yes, that happens here too, on top of what I described. Why do these things don't get fixed? Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Google Contacts Sync
Hi Ritlabs, Is there any progress on this? Manual import/export is one thing, but we live in a world where my Android phone, iPad, laptop and desktop computer sync everything automatically. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
quick search function
Hello Tbbeta, Do any of you also have problems with the quick search function in V5? When doing several searches one after another, which all get added as a tab at the bottom of the message list, I very often get empty results. Then I have to go back to the ALL tab, and then click on the tab with my search string again, and suddenly the messages appear. Clicking from one search tab to another mostly results in empty lists, as if two searches were applied at the same time and both criteria had to be met. Can anyone confirm? Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing feature - removing formatting of pasted text to HTML editor
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 10:23:29 AM, Tony Hoare wrote: >> Perhaps we could have 'Paste Unformatted Text' or 'Paste Special...' > That would be perfect for me! Guys, install ac'tiveaid and assign a Shortcut like Ctrl-Shift-V to "paste plain text". Works system-wide. Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual Folders
> ok, turns out it had just been a fluke: Virtual Folders are unreliable > as ever, currently there are even some messages showing up as unread > in the VF that are no longer in the shadowed folder (which has been > compacted) at all. Virtual folders are one of the reasons I am still using TB4. But due to a different problem: In TB5, virtual folders sometimes refresh while I'm browsing them, making the message I'm currently reading disappear before I finish reading. Very annoying. Example: - I have a virtual folder that only shows all flagged OR unread mail of my INBOX. - Now I look at this folder, which has several read but flagged emails as well as a few new, unread emails. I select one of the unread emails to read it. - That email immediately changes to read when I select it, of course. In TB4 I could continue viewing other mails from the same VF and the first (now read) email would still stay in the list. Only once I leave the VF and come back, or manually refresh it, the email would disapper, because it doesn't meet the criteria anymore (because not being unread anymore). This behaviour made sense. - In TB5 the VF refreshes WHILE I am looking at the email. This happens if whatever incident creates a refresh, I don't know what they are, probably a time interval and definitely if new mail arrives. Then the email I currently read gets removed from the VF, as it's now unread. This behaviour is absolutely useless, as I am still LOOKING AT that email and maybe would want to flag it or whatever. It would be awesome if this could get fixed. BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.26.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.22.3
> it reappeared when I sent the previous message. Exactly, it only appears for sending, not for checking at TB startup. @Ritlabs: Please fix :-) -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.22.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.22.3
Like all other 5.x-Versions, this version has serious problems when working offline with IMAP accounts. @Ritlabs: Please cut your internet connection for a few hours and try working normally with TB. You'll see what I'm talking about. Here are some examples: - Changing flags is shown when I click on the flag, but as soon as I change folders it disappears again. This was better in 4.x! - If draft-folder is set to remote folder: I can't save my messages! This is a real-case szenario: You are on a plane/train and don't have Internet for a few hours before getting back into the office. It's a nightmare with v5, but used to work ok (not good) with v4. Rgds, Carsten On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Maxim Masiutin wrote: > The Bat! 5.0.22.3 (ALPHA) is available at > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50223.rar > > What's new in 5.0.22.3 since 5.0.22.2: > Current beta is 5.0.22.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.22.3
Even when the Connection Centre is set to "Show always", it is not displayed upon start of TheBat. I observe this for quite some time now with 5.x. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Ethan J Mings wrote: > Hello Maxim, > > Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 7:58:02 PM, you wrote: > > > The Bat! 5.0.22.3 (ALPHA) is available at > > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb50223.rar > > > What's new in 5.0.22.3 since 5.0.22.2: > > [-] Date was not properly formatted in the Preferences dialog (BETA > issue) > > [-] Sometimes a filter action to move a message to a folder > > couldn't be created due to invalid checking of folder file name, it could > fail on a legitimate name. > > [-] For some reason list of shared filters can contain nil's during > > restoring from backup (but it MUST NOT) > > [-] A sorting office action to move or copy messages to folders > > with templates in the destination folder names, did prevent from > > specifying template arguments which did contain non-file characters > > Loaded. > > I am having difficults with the MAPI function. It is set as the > default and it is not working. > > Can anyone confirm? > > Running Windows 7, Ultimate, 64 bit. > > Jerry > -- > Ethan J Mings > President, The Desk Consulting Group Inc > Oakville, Ontario Canada. L6L 3B7 > Write to me at: qualityoff...@consultant.com > Skype me at : ejmings > > > > Current beta is 5.0.22.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > Current beta is 5.0.22.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.2
> - Still don't see folders on root level of IMAP folder list Solved: In the account settings I had "INBOX" filled in under Mail Management / IMAP options / Root folder. Removed that and all is fine. Not sure what the sense of this setting is, though. In v4 it didn't have that effect. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.18.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP Remote Outbox/Drafts folder
Hi all, Is the remote Outbox supposed to work with v5? I never used it in v4, because it was unrealiable and had caused me message loss. I thought it was supposed to work in v5. Now when I edit a message, without having an Internet connection, and then click save, save as draft, or Shift-F2 (put in outbox), the editor window stays open and the message DOES NOT GET saved. However, I can simply close the window without getting a warning. How am I supposed to write messages on the plane, save them in the outbox and send them later? BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.18.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.2
To check this with the current version I installed an old backup und then did the upgrade from v4 to v5 again, this time to 5.0.18: > - Still don't see folders on root level of IMAP folder list Still there! Big showstopper!! In fact, what happens after I upgrade is that in the folder view I see all folders, including those on the root level. However, as all folder synchronization settings get reset to "headers only" by the update (something the user doesn't even get a message about), I have to go to "Manage IMAP folders" to change that. And on THAT list, the folders on the root level never show up, only the INBOX and its subfolders. Once I click OK in that window, the other folders from the root level also disappear from the account tree and I can't access them anywhere anymore. It's easy to reproduce: In "Manage IMAP folders" I can create a folder, move it to the root level, click OK, then open "Manage IMAP folders" again: the folder does not appear on the list. Server is Dovecot. > - one of my two virtual folders gets moved to the bottom of the folder list > at every start of TB This one is gone. I guess it was caused by the virtual folder rename bug and left a weird behaving virtual folder. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.18.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.18.2
- Still don't see folders on root level of IMAP folder list - one of my two virtual folders gets moved to the bottom of the folder list at every start of TB -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.18.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.16.1
Hello Maxim, The root-folder bug I reported a while ago is still there: I cannot access folders on the root level of the IMAP Server (Courier on debian stable): I open "manage IMAP folder": - folders at root-level not displayed (only INBOX and every subfolder of INBOX) - when creating new folder and choosing "at root level" folder gets created as sub-folder auf INBOX - when choosing rename/move and moving that folder to root level the folder actually gets moved to the root level and shown there (at the "manage IMAP folders" window) - if I close and reopen that window, the folder is not shown anymore, I can refresh list as often as I want Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.16.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Update 4 to 5 IMAP folders inaccessible
> - IMAP-Folders on the root level (other than INBOX) are suddenly > inaccessible! I have folders like > INBOX > INBOX.Newsletter > INBOX.Mailinglist > but also > IMPORTANT > ARCHIVE > Those, that are not a subfolder of INBOX, disappeared from my > folder list in TB! If I click on "Manage IMAP folders" and hit > refresh, I only see INBOX and its subfolders, not the other folders on the > root level. Still not fixed in current version! Preventing me to upgrade from 4 to 5. Current beta is 5.0.16.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Update 4 to 5 IMAP folders inaccessible
Hello Raymund, Monday, May 9, 2011, 8:23:27 PM, you wrote: > Well, over all I would say it did. Well, this is the first time I really notice a whole bunch of bugs. I know about the complaints that were always there, but this time it appears to be more basic stuff that's broken or I'm more affected. Even the Connection Center hide/show doesn't work after restart of TB. >> - IMAP-Folders on the root level (other than INBOX) are suddenly >> inaccessible! I have folders like > Check the account log, what does it say when you open the 'Manage > IMAP folder' dialog? The account log says exactly nothing. I'm logged in to the IMAP server from my previous folder sync, and then when I open the "Manage IMAP folders" window, nothing es added to the log. Not even when I hit Refresh. At the bottom of that window it says "Retrieving IMAP subscription information (7 folders listed) ...", suggesting that it's still retrieving, but nothing happens. I wonder if this text is supposed to stay there or go away once all folders are listed. > That's a known bug. Unfortunately the dev team or their boss decided > to release with a lot of these. As usual... -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Update 4 to 5 IMAP folders inaccessible
Hi all, So I decided to upgrade from 4.22 to 5.0.12, since I thought 5 would finally bring better IMAP and since this is the second public version of 5.x, the worst bugs should be fixed. What a mistake! - On upgrade, all folder synchronization settings (whether to synchronize only headers or download full messages) were lost. Had to reconfigure every folder. - IMAP-Folders on the root level (other than INBOX) are suddenly inaccessible! I have folders like INBOX INBOX.Newsletter INBOX.Mailinglist but also IMPORTANT ARCHIVE Those, that are not a subfolder of INBOX, disappeared from my folder list in TB! If I click on "Manage IMAP folders" and hit refresh, I only see INBOX and its subfolders, not the other folders on the root level. If in this screen I click on "new" I get the choice to - create on the root level - create as a sub-folder If I choose to create on the root level, it STILL gets created as a subfolder of INBOX! If I delete the folder, it stays on the server! Server is Dovecot. (Debian Squeeze). Please fix this soon, so I can get access to my folders! Very disappointed, Carsten Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0 progress
Hello Maxim, > [+] Google Contacts can be imported into Address Book > [+] Address book can be exported to Google Contacts Now this looks really promising! Will this be automatic (synchronization) or does it have to be done manually every time? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
syncing contacts from address book
Hi all, Sorry, I have to ask again, since I'm getting kind of desperate: Is there any way to SYNC the address book with ANYTHING? I'm not even asking about the iPhone anymore, I would just be happy to have a bidirectional sync to any other program or device. The only solutions I have come accross so far are: -ArtelPlus (bidirectional, but limited to Windows Mobile) -Mobile Master (can sync with lots of devices and programs, but only FROM TheBat and not bidirectional). If nothing like this exists, which I'm afraid is probably the case, may I ask how you guys synchronise your contacts with cellphones, webmail or other mobile devices? Or do most TheBat users just miss out on something that is absolutely standard for Outlook/Thunderbird/Gmail users? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: sync TheBat Contacts and iPhone
Is there really no way of syncing The Bat to the Outlook/Gmail/Thunderbird/Cellphones world? All those can be synced with one another, if it's impossible to sync my The Bat address book with them I may have to stop using it. Years ago this was not so much of a problem, an isolated address book was even an advantage, being less vulnurable to virus attacks. But times have changed, people use more than one device, and I need to have the same contacts in my email program, my webmail, my cordless phone and my cellphone. BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: sync TheBat Contacts and iPhone
Hello Michael, > Yes, using Google Sync. That syncs Google<->iPhone. But how do I get TheBat's contact synced with the two? Is there a way to sync The Bat and Google? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
sync TheBat Contacts and iPhone
Hi all, I know there is a software that syncs The Bat's address book with Windows Mobile phones. But does anyone of you know if it's possible to sync them with an iPhone? Maybe there is a way through in intermediate service, like syncing the iPhone with your Google account and also syncing TheBat with Google. Is that possible? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing custom templates
Hello Marck, Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 6:38:56 PM, you wrote: > I use a QT called 'vsig' and qinclude it from most templates. It works > out which signature I need to apply. This is just amazing. QT's are definitely what I need to use to accomplish my goal. Could you post/email me your vsig template, I would be really interested in how you accomplish that it choses the right signature. BRgds, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editing custom templates
Hello Tbbeta, One of TB's strengths compared to other email programs is its template engine, including the possibility to use custom templates for folders and address book entries. Many years ago I used that, having special greeting and the like for many of my contacts. However, I stopped using that because of the following issue: Whenever your signature changes, for example because you assume a new position in your company, you will have to go through the whole address book and change every contact's template. Is there a way around that? How do other people (you) use this feature? Is it possible to have a template (e.g. for one contact) that is always based on the default template and only changes one word or line of it? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question to Ritlabs: Download URL Manager
I would just like to know if Ritlab's actually intends to complete the Download URL Manager. They added it and then left it half-finished and apparently nothing is being done in quite some time. New users get extremely annoyed with this thing popping up and its bugs, while apparently we older TheBat users only accept it because we are used to it. In my opinion, the main problems are: - popup appears sometimes twice, sometimes completely empty - no search function inside blocked/allowed URLs - no sort function inside blocked/allowed URLs - clicking on the "show url manager" button for one specific email doesn't bring up the URLs contained in that email -> you have to search for it manually (without sorting or search function!) - not possible to "allow once" to just download images for one specific email - not possible to allow download based on sender email Why don't you get the job done? I'm a programmer, I know these things are not difficult!! I don't know what world you live in, but in my world adding needed features, leaving them half-broken and moving on to add other stuff (sometimes also half-broken, sometimes banalities) is just completely unacceptable. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Postponed sending - another problem
Is it by design that if I create a message with postponed sending set, then don't hit the send button, but simply save it (shift-F2), then no warning appears, but the message gets sent a the scheduled time? I was under the impression that the message wouldn't get sent, since I didn't hit the Send button (and didn't receive the postponed-send-warning either). I had scheduled it to +1 hour, so my intention was to edit the message later the day, hit Send then and have it sent another hour later. Now it got sent unfinished. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lines in HTML messags missing
Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 12:16:07 AM, you wrote: > I copied and pasted your paragraph into a message at yahoo and it arrived in > the Bat correctly You are right, I created a Yahoo Mail account and tried it with Classic Mail and it works fine. However, from that one person I still get those mails where the described error occurs. So I looked at the HTML source (the .html attachment in TheBat), and it looks like this: --
Lines in HTML messags missing
Hello Tbbeta, I recently noticed the following problem, because an email I received didn't seem to make any sense. When looking at the text version, I noticed that there were some extra lines of text, that the HTML version didn't display. Opening the HTML file in a browser, they were there, but The Bad didn't show them. Turned out that whenever there is an illegal character in a line of an HTML email, The Bat doesn't display that line at all! Here some more details: The senders X-Mailer is "YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964". Language of the email is German, the text included in the HTML email was "Bei Ansicht Originalgr��e erkennt man Pixel." (the two illegal characters being ö and ß, which should have been htmlencoded to ö etc., but apparently Yahoo Mail doesn't care about that) The Bat does not display that line in the HTML viewer at all. I guess it can be reproduced like this: - Create a Yahoo Mail account - Send an HTML email from there to TheBat, including some lines with ä or ö - check if TheBat displays these lines in HTML view. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.13.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.12
Hello Maxim, >>>What about the broken shortcut editor? > Could you please submit a bugtracking entry for it, with the > instructions to reproduce the bug? Thank you in advance. in 4.2.6 the bug does not yet exist. The main difference is that the Customise window stays open after I change a shortcut in the small shortcut editor window. I guess the problem is that the current version also closes the Customise window whenever you change a shortcut, not giving the user a chance to click on OK in the Customise window to accept the change. Shouldn't be very hard to fix. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken
Hello Thomas, > While I don't agree that POP is the past, Why not? There is general agreement that mobility is the future, everything goes mobile. People (will) access their email from their PC at home, their laptop, their netbook, their iPhone (or other smartphone), their TV, their cordless phone (already possible here) and so on. While this is more and more the case in people's personal lives, it's already an absolute necessity in business. And the solutions are - webmail (what most novices use) - Exchange (what most businesses use; TB's implementation being even worse than IMAP) - IMAP As you see, POP is not among those :-) I would even go as far to say that IMAP alone is not the future either. The trend in business goes definitely towards Exchange (not necessarily MS Exchange), as well as collaboration through at least a decent calendaring system (not to talk about synchronizing of contacts). Outlook is the leader here, and Thunderbird 3 will have calendaring integrated as well. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken
I meanwhile submitted it to Bugtrack: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7723 -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.12
Hello Maxim, Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:48:00 PM, you wrote: > Could you please submit a bugtracking entry for it, with the instructions to > reproduce the bug? Thank you in advance. Here it is: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7722 -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)
Hello Dwight, Thursday, September 17, 2009, 7:38:12 PM, you wrote: > If > youi mean that you cannot move messages from a local folder to an IMAP > folder, I don't know why one would do that. That's exactly what I mean. You right-click on the message (in the message list) of the local folder, select "copy to folder" and then select the IMAP folder. After a while the message should appear there. Try first with a small message, you will see that it works. Then try with a message >2MB. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)
Hello Dwight, Thursday, September 17, 2009, 2:25:23 PM, you wrote: > never had this happen to me. How can TB be broken because the server > ends the connection? As explained earlier in the thread: The server doesn't end the connection, TheBat just claims that that's the case. In reality, TheBat ends the connection (which is where it is broken), because - The ServerLog shows that the connection was terminated by the client - The Server doesn't have a 2 MB limit (this is not even possible with Dovecot) - Thunderbird works fine - Trying a different server (gmail.com) The Bat also claims that the server ended the connection. If you try to copy a message of >2 MB to an IMAP folder of your choice, does the upload work? There are actually 3 problems in TheBat that all come together here: 1) TB can't upload >2MB messages 2) Communication with the user is faulty (TB claiming that the server ended the connection; TB not showing in the connection center that it resumed uploading) 3) Message loss can occur, because if you choose MOVE then those messages >2MB get deleted from your local folder but not uploaded. 1 is a simple but annoying bug that can happen but should be fixed. 2 makes me doubt one thing that I previously appreciated: That TB actually tells the user what it does. 3 is a major problem, as messages can be lost unrecoverably. Can you also confirm 3? What happens if you move a message >2MB from a local folder to an IMAP folder? -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)
Meanwhile I found out more about this: The Bat disconnects (claiming that the server ended the connection) whenever the message to be uploaded exceeds 2 MB. I checked the IMAP server for such a limit: There is none! Thunderbird uploads the bigger messages with no problem, it's TheBat that is broken. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
MESSAGE LOSS (was: Upload to IMAP folder broken)
Hello Robert, You know what's funny: The Bat DOES continue uploaden the messages, but without showing it in the Connection Centre! I noticed this morning that a folder where the upload was aborted yesterday was suddenly filled. Trying your MOVE-method I just found out that after The Bat drops the IMAP connection the upload stops for a while. But as soon as it reconnects to the IMAP server for checking mail, the upload continues. Without the Connection Centre telling you! I just noticed by the decreasing message count of the folder I was moving from. Now here is the big drawback (and in fact a serious bug that should be fixed ASAP): Of a folder containing 610 messages, only 603 had arrived on the server! As I had MOVED the messages, 7 messages were lost. Some further testing showed that sometimes when The Bat drops the connection, it does delete the local message it was just uploading, even though it has not completely arrived at the server. So the server discards the half-uploaded message (which is correct) and The Bat deletes it also, even though it was not completely uploaded (which is a serious bug!). What a crappy implementation is this?! Imagine Windows moving files from one drive to another, suddenly stopping for no reason, then resuming in the background without telling you, and deleting some files even though they never arrive at the destination. And now the worst part: If this happened, Microsoft would fix it asap. However, I estimate the chances of this being fixed in The Bat within the next year at somewhere around 3%. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.12
Hello Maxim, > The Bat! 4.2.10.12 is available at > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb421012.rar What about the broken shortcut editor? -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken
Hello Robert, Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 8:44:54 PM, you wrote: > The option I would use if I had to do it again would be to export the > folder from The Bat! as a Unix mailbox file and do the move on the > server side -- much faster than doing it via TB!. But I guess it is > not really an option for you, since you were asking specifically > about TB!. A variation of this solution (still not fast but at least > reliable) would be to import this mbox file into Thunderbird and do > the move from there. Thanks for your help, the idea of moving instead of copying and doing in batches hadn't occured to me. I wonder, though, what will happen if I move the mails and TB disconnects even within a batch, will some of the mails be lost? I will give it a try (after making a backup of the backup). I do have full server access and could do it that way, too. But just as exporting to Thunderbird, it has the disadvantage that message flags get los, as TB doesn't export them. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upload to IMAP folder broken
Hello Tbbeta, When I upload a certain number of messages to an IMAP folder I repeatedly get problems: - it's usually several hundred, in one case 10,000 messages - I have them in a local folder in The Bat and would like to move them to an IMAP account. The way to go is to select all messages, and then "copy to folder". In theory this works, TB starts uploading them. However, after a few minutes it stops, TB saying "Server closed connection". On the server side, looking at Dovecot's log, the IMAP server says "Disconnect in APPEND", which means that the Client, aka TB, has terminated the connection. What now? I believe that TB closes the connection, as the upload works just fine with Thunderbird. Does anyone have any experiences with uploading to IMAP folders? -- Best regards, Carsten mailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Mark, Saturday, September 12, 2009, 1:26:57 PM, you wrote: > Personally I think that the software > world has missed a chance by not developing some kind of universal address > book > which could be shared by several applications (Mailer, Pim, Editors...)... It exists, but you would have to buy a Mac. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:32:13 PM, you wrote: > I don't know why you say "It'a about time". It appears that up to now, > TB! has been the superior product. Why would you wish that this > changes? For the same reasons as everyone else: - bugs not being fixed - the endless waiting for a new IMAP implementation - Ritlab's communication -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hello Thomas, > Ritlabs keep breaking things that previously worked, it's their > concept to keep us alert. What you have to do is the create a > Bugtracker (BT) entry, otherwise they won't look at fixing it. Post > the full link here, so people can check and comment, i.e. create bug > reports. No, I don't care anymore. I have so many tickets on Bugtracker that I created and/or supported and nothing is being done about them. A decent development team would read this beta list and react with "oops, we just broke something", and fix it immediately. Every couple of years I give Thunderbird and Outlook a try, but so far I have always returned to The Bat. Next week I will set up a new system and Thunderbird will get another chance. Hopefully, there are enough addons now that I can ditch The Bat. It's about time. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
> I can confirm that it is broken here. @Ritlabs: This is a new bug that was just introduced recently, it worked not so long ago. Please fix the Customise funciton (especially keyboard shortcut assignment). Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
Hi all, > Does anyone manage to change a menu shortcut with the current version at all? Could anyone please try if this works for you or if you can confirm this bug? Believe me, it will be annoying once you would like to change a shortcut :-) Rgds, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
shortcut editor broken
Hello Tbbeta, I just found out that I cannot change a keyboard shortcut anymore in the usual way: - right-click on menu/toolbar and select customise - select short-cut tab, double-click on desired menu entry - the little popup appear where I change the shortcut, I click CLOSE - I get asked if I want to appliy the modified settings. Even when I click YES, the new shortcut is not applied, the Customise window gets closed and the old shortcut is still in place. Does anyone manage to change a menu shortcut with the current version at all? -- Best regards, Carsten mailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB main window not selected in Taskbar
Hello Marck, Thursday, September 3, 2009, 12:25:16 PM, you wrote: > I expect it can be overcome by the TB dev team, but the amount of work > to do so is quite horrible. Well, afair the problem did not exist in TB <4.0, maybe even <4.1, so it must be possible :-) -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.10.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB main window not selected in Taskbar
Hi, This bug has been around for at least two or three months, I thought the new version had maybe fixed it, but is still there: - Settings: Always show icon in system tray: CHECKED Do not put TB to windows task bar: NOT CHECKED Minimize to System Tray: CHECKED Now open the main window, then press Ctrl-N to open an Editor Window. Now switch back to the main window (Alt-Tab or just click inside the window): You will see that on the Task Bar the main TB Window does not show as active, but the editor window still does. This means that you cannot switch back by clicking on the editor window entry in the task bar: it IS still active, even though it is not on top! Same happens when switching from any other application to TB main window: The other applications task bar entry stays selected. So the bug is that TB main window entry in the task bar does not appear as selected when switching to TB main window. Can anyone confirm? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.10.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: slow TB due to extreme fragmentation of message base
Hello Marek, Monday, July 6, 2009, 3:24:56 PM, you wrote: > I do not understand, what has TB with filesystem fragmentation? are there > TB files somehow special, so defragment tool can not maintain them like > other files? They have two characteristics that make defragmenting more difficult, especially if you don't have tons of free space on that partition: The files become huge for big folders, and they are extremely fragmented, because they get appended for every new email. > are you compacting (compressing) folders? mainly inbox is needed often, > because every incoming message is stored in it, even message is immediately > moved to other folder by filter or plugin. I just tried that: One of my Inboxes (of an IMAP account) is 1.2 GB in size and the 17CDC888.TBB file is split over 4085 fragments. I used folder/compress in The Bat, and it went surprisingly fast. Then I analyzed the partition again with the Windows defragmentation tool: Still more than 4000 fragments! So what would be so bad about a solution where TB reserves chunks of several MB instead of appending a few bytes to the tbb files for every incoming message? -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: slow TB due to extreme fragmentation of message base
Hello Maxim, Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:40:00 PM, you wrote: > When The Bat! compresses a folder, it automatically defragments the > base file and index file, isn't it? Not sure if this really works. And is there a way to have this done automatically? Otherwise I would manually have to select Folder/Compact for every folder once in a while... -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
slow TB due to extreme fragmentation of message base
Hello Tbbeta, Probably others experience this too, is there maybe a way around it: After using TB for quite a while, the TBB-Files of my main folders (e.g. INBOX) become extremely fragmented. The Windows defragmentation tool shows that they consist of several thousand fragments. Windows may not even be able to defragment them correctly (depending on the partition), and even if it does, it will leave thousands of small fragments of free space on the disc, so that the next big file you copy to that partition will be split in many many fragments again. The reason, of course, is that TB keeps each folder in a file, which gets a little bigger for every new message in the folder. What happens after a while is that TB becomes slow: When I change the folder, I often have to wait some seconds for the message list to appear. Can anything be done about this? Would it be possible, for example, to not enlarge the TBB file for every single new message, but for, say, steps of 100 MB? Once these 100 MB get filled with messages, the file would be enlarged by another 100 MB. This way there would only be one new fragment for every 100 MB, not for every message. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: entering more than one email address as recipient
Hi Kertész, Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:05:07 PM, you wrote: > Why mimick Outlook? Next version will be different anyway... I would > say, dont change it. It's not so much about copying from Outlook, but rather about replacing a useless function (current Enter-key is of no use) by an intuitive one. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.1.11.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: new features in 4.1.11.7 and 4.1.11.8
Hi Marek, Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:49:00 AM, you wrote: > Ritlabs is not an one-man-show, so if some developer works on bugfixes, > other on delayed send and other on GUI, there is no reason to think, > rest of team do nothing. Stay tuned. I know, but from years of experience I am not so sure if anybody is working on the IMAP rewrite at all. Do you have any confirmation that anyone at Ritlabs is currently working on the IMAP rewrite or are you just speculating? I "stayed tuned" for many years now. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.1.11.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
entering more than one email address as recipient
Hi Ritlabs, Here some interesting feedback from new users (that acutally stopped using The Bat after a while): When entering an address in the TO-Field, autocomplete puts the full name and address after just typing the first few letters. This is fine and the same as in other programs. BUT: Users are apparently used to hitting Enter and then being able to directly continue writing for entering the next recipient. This does not work in The Bat! After hitting Enter, the auto-completed part of the address stays selected, and if you just continue typing you will overwrite it. In The Bat, instead of hitting enter, you have to hit the End key followed by a comma, in order to take the auto-suggested address and continue entering the next one. Most people on this list will find this perfectly normal, since they are used to it, just like me. But apparently for new users this is not intuitive at all. In this case Ritlabs should have Enter behave exactly as it does in Outlook, as the current function of Enter in this case is no use at all: When confirming the auto-suggested part by hitting enter noone needs it to be still selected. You just confirmed it, so why would you overwrite it again. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.1.11.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
new features in 4.1.11.7 and 4.1.11.8
Hi Tbbeta, While the new features like delayed sending and glyphs for IMAP envelopes are certainly nice-to-haves, don't I remember correctly that now it's the time when the IMAP implementation should be completely rewritten? Could Ritlabs please let us know if this is being done right now or if it is postponed again? What is the roadmap anyway, will there be a 4.2, 4.5 or 5.0 or are we at a point again where for months and months little things get fixed and added? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.1.11.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.7
Hi Maxim, Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 7:59:39 PM, you wrote: > [!] Possibility to postpone message delivery (Options/Delay > message) and a macro %DELAY in templates. Does this also set the Created-Date to the time when the msg is sent? Otherwise the recipient might guess that I delayed the sending on purpose. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.1.11.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing the Subject Line
> I would like to see the ability to edit the subject line > Here's the link to support it The wish is in Bugtrack for quite some time, and I support it. It should be easy to implement and would finally be something very useful and a unique advantage of The Bat, as most other Mailers can't do it. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.1.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
msg base destroyed on update to 4.1
Hello Tbbeta, I just upgraded to 4.1: Got the message that the message base was being converted. Right after that, The Bat displayed the message "older version's index files found. It looks like an older version of the program is being used after installation of The Bat! 4.1.7. Please make sure this does not happen in future in order to keep message base working properly". Well, I never started an old version after the upgrade! Now all IMAP folders are empty, but all POP-folders seem to have converted correctly. Now whenever I start TB, this message pops up again after a few minutes. What have I done wrong and how can I fix this? BTW: Shift-Tab to get back from message body to subject line (in Windows editor) still doesn't work. -- Best regards, Carsten mailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.1.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: 4.1.1.1
Hello Bob, Monday, December 15, 2008, 5:14:40 PM, you wrote: > Good. It is workable now but is not as reliable in my experience with Are you kidding? Whenever I get a new message in an IMAP folder, I have to click on it two to three times so TB finally marks it as read. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:gutha...@gmail.com Current beta is 4.1.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: 4.0.39.29
Hi Maxim, Friday, November 28, 2008, 2:16:31 PM, you wrote: >>>Has this anything do to with the AOL secure login problem from my previous >>>email? > This fix was only related to NTLM authenitcation on proxy servers > for http image retrieval. This didn't apply to POP3 or SMTP. So when will this issue be addressed? I know it's AOL's fault by not providing the CA when connecting securely, but TB has to deal without somehow. Having to click on OK manually for every single connection can't be an option. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.39.31 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.39.29
> [-] NTLM authentication didn't work Has this anything do to with the AOL secure login problem from my previous email? - Hi all, If you have an AOL account (free pop and imap) and try to connect securely via SMTP or IMAP (regular or dedicated port doesn't matter) you will get error messages: "The server didn't provide a root certificate during the session and there is no corresponding root certificate in your addess book. Continue?" Now I can click on YES, but I will have to do this each time I check mail (every 5 minutes!). The button "add to trusted" is greyed out. There needs to be an option "don't ask this again", even though I don't have the certificate, because I can't just go and ask the AOL server administrator to send it to me, or at least chances that he will respond are close to 0. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.39.30 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
secure connection to AOL
Hi all, If you have an AOL account (free pop and imap) and try to connect securely via SMTP or IMAP (regular or dedicated port doesn't matter) you will get error messages: "The server didn't provide a root certificate during the session and there is no corresponding root certificate in your addess book. Continue?" Now I can click on YES, but I will have to do this each time I check mail (every 5 minutes!). The button "add to trusted" is greyed out. There needs to be an option "don't ask this again", even though I don't have the certificate, because I can't just go and ask the AOL server administrator to send it to me, or at least chances that he will respond are close to 0. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.39.27 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: appointments vcalendar part.txt meeting.ics
Hi Jens, I just realized that with some senders the contents of part.txt are actually in the message body, so there is no attachmend at all -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.19 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: appointments vcalendar part.txt meeting.ics
Hi Jens, Friday, November 7, 2008, 8:57:44 PM, you wrote: > Did you already try to save the part.txt as part.ics - and is it really > readable then? Yes, that works. So I would need a script that extracts the part.txt, saves it as part.ics to a temp folder and then sends it to the calendar application. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.19 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: appointments vcalendar part.txt meeting.ics
Hi Stefan, > This will be addressed soon. Sounds good! Please find a solution that enables the user to add these appointments to the system's default calendar application, instead of simply adding it to The Bat's scheduler. Many people have sophisticated calendar applications that synchronize with Cellphones, Google Calendar, company's Intranet, etc... -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
appointments vcalendar part.txt meeting.ics
Hi all, I know I asked for this a while ago, but this is becoming more and more of a pain. In fact, it makes it extremely difficult to use TB in an office environment where other users have other email programs (like Thundbird and Outlook): I continously get appointment / meeting invitations that have a simple part.txt attached, starting like this: BEGIN:VCALENDAR METHOD:REQUEST PRODID:Microsoft Exchange Server 2007 VERSION:2.0 BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:W. Europe Standard Time BEGIN:STANDARD DTSTART:16010101T03 TZOFFSETFROM:+0200 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 ... Sometimes they have a meeting.ics file attached, which is fine, because then I can simply double click it and it opens in my standard calendar application. But most of these mails only contain part.txt. There needs to be a way to add these appointments to the system's calendar application. part.txt and meeting.ics appear to have the same structure, so if only I could automatically rename part.txt to part.ics on these kind of incoming mails, it would already help. But reading this text manually and trying to deciffer it is just not an option in the long run. Is there already a solution for this? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP update
Hi Stefan, > We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve IMAP > in the next release, so it was the first step. Thanks for this update, I greatly appreciate it. And I'm sure I talk for many people on this list when I say that hearing what is going on and that development is under way sincerely makes me happy. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feature request?
> Is in The Bat possibility to mark "sent message" in any way when we > receive reading confirmation? (Of course it can be done by filter) - Or, maybe even better: When creating a new message, have an option that I can be remindet about this message if no answer has been received within a certain number of days. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Search in IMAP folders
Hi Tbbeta, Looks like recently (with 4.0.2something) the search has been changed: Before the search was always sent to the IMAP server to be processed there, so it took forever. Now, apparently TB searches the local cache. However, if I select the Advanced Option "Message has attachment" the search result is false: Many messages that do have attachments are not found. TB only finds those, that have the Attachment symbol in the message list. But on many messages (especially older ones that I haven't viewed since refreshing the Cache for the last time) this icon only appears when actually selecting the message. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: certificate error
Hello Maxim, > That's because the server didn't sent the certificate during the session, > that's why The Bat! have nothing to add. So what can be done about this? Having to click OK each time you send/receive mail cannot be the solution. There needs to be an option to accept this connection permanently. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: certificate error
Hello Marek, Monday, September 29, 2008, 10:40:47 AM, you wrote: > ask admin for cert and import it manually to Trusted Root CA addressbook. Ok, I will try that. But The Bat's behaviour is still odd. Why doesn't it let me add the certificate by clicking on the button "Add to trusted"? With other certificates has worked before. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
certificate error
Hello Tbbeta, When connecting to our new mail server (mailext.denkwerk.com) on port 25, 993 or 143, I get the message that the server didn't provide a root certificate. I can continue, but the error message pops up at each connect, with the "add to trusted" button greyed out. I really don't get this, the certificate seems to be ok. So I checked in Thunderbird and there it works fine, I can permanently accept it. Can anyone reproduce? Here is what the TB log says: >28.9.2008, 12:14:13: IMAP - Certificate S/N: 84FA03241087DC2B, algorithm: RSA >(1024 bits), issued from 7.3.08 13:45:37 to 5.3.18 13:45:37, for 1 host(s): >mailext.denkwerk.com. >28.9.2008, 12:14:13: IMAP - Owner: DE, NRW, Koeln, denkwerk GmbH, IT, >mailext.denkwerk.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >28.9.2008, 12:14:13: IMAP - Issuer: DE, NRW, Cologne, denkwerk GmbH, IT, >Denkwerk Trust Auhority, [EMAIL PROTECTED] !28.9.2008, 12:14:13: IMAP - TLS handshake failure. Invalid server certificate (The issuer of this certificate chain was not found). Best Regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: time on sent mail
Could we get this fixed? I don't see any sense in this. In fact, I don't even know how TB knows that the computer is set to DST. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
URL Manager question
Hi Tbbeta, Consider this: I receive a new email and realize that images are not downloaded. Probably I blocked the servers some time in the past. But now I need the images and would like to - either download them manually for this email only - or at least unblock the servers I click on the URL manager icon, expecting that this email's URLs will appear. But no, nothing appears. I would have to manually find the servers (of which I don't even know the address without looking into the email source) in the blocked list, which contains hundreds of entries. Am I missing something or is this really not user-friendly? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: time on sent mail
Hi Hendrik, Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 1:24:19 PM, you wrote: > Not confirmed, all shows correct here with Win2k and TB! 4.0.34.5 and > GMT+11 timezone without daylight saving enabled. > Have you daylight saving at your place or activated on your computer? Well, if I scroll back to messages sent during winter, I can see that the dates are identical and the one hour gap is gone. However, I don't see where I can enable or disable daylight saving time. Windows is set to adjust the time automatically to daylight saving time, so the system clock gets changed, but I haven't heard of a daylight saving time flag in Windows or something similar. Could you let me know where I can enable/disable this? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
time on sent mail
Hi Tbbeta, Wenn I have a look at my sent mail folder (no matter which account) the "Received" date is always one hour ahead of the "Created" date. The created date is the right one, so if I send an email right now then the Received date will be one hour in the future. Can anyone confirm this? -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.34.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.28.2
Hi Maxim, This bug was created somewhere between 4.0.24.5 and now: My default editor is set to Plain Text (Windows). When I create a new message it shows "HTML Only" as message format. Even though the real format is plain text. BRgds, Carsten Saturday, August 16, 2008, 10:12:41 AM, you wrote: > The Bat! 4.0.28.2 is available at > http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40282.rar > What's new in 4.0.28.2 since 4.0.28.1: > [*] glyphs for trash, copy, cut icons changed > [*] Since this version, the option to use the "X-Mailer" header is > turned OFF, even if you had it ON in a previous version of The Bat! > You can go to the Options/Preferences and turn it ON again, but we don't > recommend it. > [*] icons added into address book/quick search popup menu > [-] There were temp files left after importing messages from other mail > clients. > [-] (#0007187) Using MS Exchange (MAPI) messages stay on the outbox without > being sent > > Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.28.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
voyager beta
Hi Tbbeta, Is there a way to download the most recent Voyager beta? From what I read here the last stable release that is available at ritlabs.com has some bugs, so I would rather take the most recent beta, but that link doesn't work anymore. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.26.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Reply to All (TO and CC fields)
Hi Roelof, Friday, June 6, 2008, 2:07:39 PM, you wrote: > Use a quick template (or a default reply template) with something like > this: > %To="%OToList"%- > %CC=""%CC="%OCCList"%- Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. -- Best regards, Carsten Current beta is 4.0.24.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
