Re: OT: Old folks (was:Re: HTML)
On Tuesday, February 01, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote: That's an idea, I'll let them log in via AOL and then have them open Netscape Mail. Do you happen to know whether AOL can be pop-checked with non-AOL mailers, such us Netscape? I don't know. All I know is that everywhere I go on the Internet, there are always "AOL doesn't do this" or "AOL users click here for special instructions" thingies. Why not set them up with another ISP entirely, as AOL would still have to handle the e-mail and it's notoriously unreliable? Some of the big ones, like Earthlink (skip the EL software), have pretty user-friendly interfaces and lots of AOL-like services right on the Web. PF That said, don't you think your parents would more appreciate PF getting an 'old-fashioned' photo? ;) That's true, but that involves writing an "old-fashioned" letter. Nah, just pop it in an envelope, then email them that it is on the way. :) I managed to that about twice a year, and since they have email, they hear from me several times per week. ;-) Yes, I just set up a computer for a friend's 80+ mother, because grandma wants to be able to e-mail the grandkids! She took to it like a fish to water. Last I heard she was surfing the Web for pictures of naked men. It's all about our convenience, though, not theirs. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Usenet - Batology
AM With a decent newsreader that would be no problem since you AM may read only the threads that interest you whether through thread AM watching or scoring. You may also download only those messages that AM interest you. OTOH, with mailing lists you get the whole jebanks AM without your control except for some killfilters. Two sides to the AM coin really. :) Again a fan of the way Agent does it. I just mark the threads that I don't care about as "ignore" and it does a kill filter for as long as the thread is around... -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Old folks (was:Re: HTML)
Hi Paula, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 03:06:20 -0500GMT (01/02/2000, 16:06 +0800GMT), Paula Ford wrote: PF I don't know. All I know is that everywhere I go on the Internet, there PF are always "AOL doesn't do this" or "AOL users click here for special PF instructions" thingies. That's true; you have a point here. PF Why not set them up with another ISP entirely, as AOL would still PF have to handle the e-mail and it's notoriously unreliable? Some of PF the big ones, like Earthlink (skip the EL software), have pretty PF user-friendly interfaces and lots of AOL-like services right on PF the Web. I'll leave them at AOL for login (DEM 9.95/month without login time time limit), but will look for another (and free) email. Earthklink is in English, thus ruled out; but I can set them up with GMX. They can web-check or pop-check their email, as they wish. ;-) PF Nah, just pop it in an envelope, then email them that it is on the way. PF :) "Envelope"? Ah, those things my secretary always puts around the Christmas cards... ;-) PF Yes, I just set up a computer for a friend's 80+ mother, because grandma PF wants to be able to e-mail the grandkids! She took to it like a fish to PF water. Same as my folks! And they are email-crazy now, as well. Never thought that their generation would get as hooked as we have become. Anyway, their PC is now more than an expensive typewriter. - Having bored everybody on TBUDL to death, we should now probably end this thread. Thanks a lot for your input, Paula! -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: stupid registration question ( that would be cool if it is. )
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Can you please forward this mail to me? Didn't get it...
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Re: Red folders.
Hello Roel, On Tuesday, February 01, 2000 you wrote: Send yourself a message with high priority and you'll see that if you mark it unread, the outbox will be be a red folder. NA No Tony it doesn't actually... I just tried it. Marking a _message_ as NA high priority will cause the _message_ envelope to be red, but the NA screenshots I was referring to, actually show red _folders_... you forgot to mark it unread, if you do so, the color of the outbox-folder will become red... doesn't happen with other folders though... It does happen with the other folders -- but they have a blue color. This coloring has nothing to do with message priority! Just with unread messages residing in the folder. If there is an unread message in any folder -- the folder is blue. If there is an unread message in outbox, it gets red. That's all. The confusion with other folders having red icon comes from old TB versions, where it was a bit different, but I don't remember exactly how... I sure that in TB! versions before 1.36, if a folder had a subfolder which contained an unread message, then the folder would be colored too. Now it only has a "tick" by its icon. HTH -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Red folders.
This message: 01/02/2000 10:38 GMT. Hello Roel, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 3:49:05 AM, you wrote: R you forgot to mark it unread, if you do so, the color of the R outbox-folder will become red... doesn't happen with other folders R though... But what happens if *someone else* sends you a HiPri message rather than marking it that way yourself? I've never tried it but I assume it don't work? -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Red folders.
This message: 01/02/2000 10:13 GMT. Hello Nick, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 5:55:03 AM, you wrote: NA My apologies Tony... That's quite OK Nick. I've just gone through the process of sending myself messages and grabbing screen shots for you. I must read all the mail before I reply...That's if I can remember what I want to reply to! I can't see why any folder that receives a HiPri message shouldn't turn red. When sending mail as High Priority we have to actually mark it as such and therefor know that it is that way and don't need reminding of it. It's fine having the envelope turn red just as long as that folder is open for you to see it. It would be nice for the folder itself to turn red should a message be filtered into an un open folder. Just what is the purpose of message priority anyway? They all have the same chance of reaching their destination and all get read. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Red folders.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This message: 01/02/2000 09:52 GMT. Hello Nick, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 3:38:10 AM, you wrote: NA No Tony it doesn't actually... I just tried it. Marking a _message_ as NA high priority will cause the _message_ envelope to be red, but the NA screenshots I was referring to, actually show red _folders_.. Sorry to say Nick that I have just tried it again with both a message to myself and a test message to a mate, both high priority. Marking them unread causes both* the envelope and the folder to turn red. I've included a screen grab of the relevant area so you can see how it looks this end. The red outbox folder is quite clearly shown. If you send me a High Priority personal e-mail I'll let you know if the inbox turns red. I see we are both using the same registered version so I can't see why it works here and not for you. I've also PGP signed this message in case anyone is dubious about attachments. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOJawDrjPCx4CVaFKEQK8EgCgtoOD94WaJI0vKoPj6JVXsz/KFPgAoPIH /2j5nJ2pkZRosmXdOI/CiaRv =dPkT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- red3.jpg
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
This message: 01/02/2000 10:42 GMT. Hello all, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 3:14:44 AM, you wrote: AM I see only a size 9 and a 14. Should you not be able to use all the fonts and sizes that are available to Windows? I just tried it all the way up to size 72 and my preview pane was 37 screens wide :-) -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Red folders.
This message: 01/02/2000 11:03 GMT. Hello Christopher, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 10:31:57 AM, you wrote: CJT No, the message needn't be high priority. It make no difference which CJT priority it has -- just mark it unread and the outbox will turn red. CJT Both read and unread messages are sent, parked of course not. He's right you know! The folder turns red but the envelope doesn't. On a slightly different note, something I noticed while replying to the above. If I use F4 to reply to a message, the template I set up in my address book is used. If I right click and choose reply, it isn't. The standard reply template is used that is set up in Account Properties. Anyone know why? Surely if I have the "Use specific Template for reply" box ticked, it shouldn't matter what method I use to invoke the editor to type the reply. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Usenet - Batology
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:34:11 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote: Again a fan of the way Agent does it. I just mark the threads that I don't care about as "ignore" and it does a kill filter for as long as the thread is around... I've been lurking a few heavy traffic news groups and Agents lack of being able to score is a problem. Agent will either watch or ignore *entire* threads. We all know however that sub-threads can go completely off base or get into something very interesting while the rest of the thread isn't. X-News' scoring ability allows me to follow sub-threads still ignoring the rest of the whole thread. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Profanity is the one language all programmers know best. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: stupid registration question ( that would be cool if it is. )
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:02:01 +0100, Nico Schirwing wrote: Can you please forward this mail to me? Didn't get it... -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** There is no dark side of the moon. Really. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hello users, We are finally done. I hope you all find it as informative as I did! LG - Why did you decide to write an e-mail client package? We started using e-mail in the end of 1996 when I was away from the rest of other RITLABS guys and when Internet service providing had just started in our country. Before that, I was extensively using FidoNet mailing. I was surprised that none of the e-mail clients I tried was satisfactory for me (though I did not do a lot of mailing) - the main complaint was the absence of templates. So, when I came back, the first program I wrote was a small gateway program to convert Internet e-mail into FidoNet Netmail to read Internet messages using an FTN mail reader, and finally came to the conclusion that the next program I will write would be an e-mail client which will suit my needs plus fulfill the suggestions of my colleagues. In February 1997, we were expecting a big job from the Moldavian Air Traffic Service Authority, but they never came through with the final decision. While we were waiting, I started writing The Bat! (codenamed A-mailer), the first quick and dirty version was ready in one month, when no company came up with a good job for us, we decided to release The Bat! to public and announce it from our site as a Wide Area Beta. LG - Did you base it from another e-mail client package? If you mean something intentional, then the answer is no. :-) Some interface details like the three-panel main window were used in Netscape, PM Mail and several other clients, so it was just like making a car - some common (and considered as natural) principles were used, but it is not possible to say that a particular package was used as a "prototype". LG - Why did you choose the name "The Bat!"? Almost because it does not contain the word "mail" :-) Pigeons are too heavily used as postal mascots... About that time, we were listening a lot of Meat Loaf with his albums "The Bat Out The Hell" and "The Bat Out The Hell II", so I think that this was the real cause to choose such a name :-) LG - What is the goal of your software? To make life easier :-) LG - How long/much do you work every day on TB? It depends on what do you mean by working on TB. We don't do only programming. A lot of time is spent supporting users via e-mail, so it can be from 8 to 20 hours :-) LG Do you have other jobs in addition to RIT Labs? No, we own RITLABS and we work here exclusively. LG - Do you have any corporate philosophy on your products? Yes. :-) The most important thing about our philosophy is that we always help each member of our company (or at least to not interfere) to unleash his potential and express himself. LG - How is RIT Labs structured? Currently, 6 people are working at RITLABS including Max and myself: 4 programmers and 2 administrators/managers/promoters/etc. We are not a usual enterprise - we are almost a team of enthusiasts/hobbyists who is also making some money out of what they do. :-) LG Who works there? People who like to make something good for mankind in relation to computers :-) The names are: Stef, Max, Sergey, Stas, Diman and Igor LG Is it an office type setting or do you do most of the work from LG home? We are working at an office, because it is the best place to work as a team and because we are trying to be a bit official :-) LG - Did you imagine that TB would be this successful? We were sure that any work that is done with care and love should be successful. LG - Do you have formal training in software Engineering? My University diploma states that I am a specialist in Computer Science, but I think I am a mathematician specialised on Graphs Theory. :-) Max has finished High School and soon went to professional programming. LG - Did you work for any software companies before you started this LG project? Yes. But it was too many years ago :-) LG - Do you have any statistics, e.g. which countries were most of these LG sold to? The Bat! is most popular in Germany and the US. LG - Are there many changes to the GUI? If so, do you have a couple of LG screenshots for us to see? The general concept will be absolute flexibility in interface customization. We will make screen shots later - when the program will be almost ready for Beta-testing. LG - v2.0 is rumored to have been built from the ground up (not from
Re: ùùùùùùv1.41
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:47:28 +0100, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: v2.00 v1.41 in your mails -- what does this mean? OK, to end it, look at the attached gif to see what it looks like using his font. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Go not to Usenet for counsel, for it will say both no, and yes, and no, and yes, ... ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cap01.jpg
New user's questions
Hello TBUDL! I received this request from a new user; I think TBUDL is the correct forum for it. Please reply here. Wieland, please subscribe to this list by sending an empty mail to List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I will go on vacation tomorrow evening and might be able to forward any replies to you. Von: Wieland Belka [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Stefan Tanurkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 01.02.2000, 12:22 Betreff: The Bat! - information request = Original message text = Hello Stefan, I need help !!! ;-) My configuration: Win95 B, WinNT 4.0, both The Bat! installations have common mail folders. 1. For the last two updates I always lost my sub folders and templates for all accounts in The Bat! I always had to make new one's again. But on hard disk there were all sub folders ... !? The other problem: I can not change for "reply template" color and qotes ?? 2. For last update from 1.38e to 1.39 I have mixed "speaking menus" (German and English) in "Message" and "Utilities" of editor ! With new language pack of Dec. '99. What is that ??? 3. After update from 1.36 to 1.38e I had "Justify on autowrap" in "Utilities" of editor by every editor start. And every time I had to disable this option at first ... ??? 4. And a new problem after last update: If I mark a word or text to delete, it's only possible with "shift-del", not more with "del" like before ?! I very like The Bat!, but these problems are to much ... ciao Wielandmailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available == End of original message text = ... how do the other The Bat! friends think ? regards Wieland mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available -- Ciao, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Generated with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
digests and archives
Morning Roel, saves on disk space (more important) on start-up time for tb!... ever tried to start up with 1+ messages? My bat has ca. 15000 messages on 3 main accounts and it takes about 5 seconds to start it up in a usable state and another 10-15 secs for complete message counting. I also prefer archiving single messages so I can follow threads more easily when looking something up. Which brings me to the idea: Why not make the TBUDL archives downloadable as a Bat folder for seperate months or completely? I'd find this more efficient for searching than browsing slow web archives -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
Morning Nick Andriash, But will it still send it if you park the message in the Outbox Jast? I didn't try, but I suppose not. If it won't then I think it would be a good reminder that you have messages yet to complete... and are sitting in the Outbox. Yes, but you cant mark it as unread when parked, but this is consistent behavior, so yes, you are right. Although the little hourglass icon show with drafted messages, a red folder springs into the eyes better. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Old folks (was:Re: HTML)
Morning Thomas Fernandez, I'll leave them at AOL for login (DEM 9.95/month without login time time limit), but will look for another (and free) email. Well, hey, there's easier and cheaper providers even in Germany. A good old dial-up connection has proven to be much more practical to use IMO once it's set up correctly. (Yes, I have AOL too, but it's a pain in most repects. I didn't spend much time on learning it, but eg if I want to check my mail from the AOL connection, I have to set the Bat for "manual connection or LAN") They can web-check or pop-check their email, as they wish. ;-) Don't you think a web-check would go into the money in Germany? For POP, I would recommend The Bat :-P Even my mother learned how to use it fairly efficiently (basic functions) before she understood fully the concept of turning on the computer g -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning Allie Martin, First, you're seeing red folders and now you installed WPC font and have all sizes available for use. Hey, I'll soon be sending for your machine so be sure to keep an eye on it. :) FWIW, I too have all sizes for choice with the Courier new font. With the other fonts I just enter the number I want manually - it works |-) -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New user's questions
Morning Thomas Fernandez, 1. For the last two updates I always lost my sub folders and templates for all accounts in The Bat! I always had to make new one's again. But on hard disk there were all sub folders ... !? If the accounts are still showing in the Bat and only the sub-folders are missing, press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L to recover lost folders and messages still on HD. The other problem: I can not change for "reply template" color and qotes ?? I am not sure what is meant here? 2. For last update from 1.38e to 1.39 I have mixed "speaking menus" (German and English) in "Message" and "Utilities" of editor ! With new language pack of Dec. '99. What is that ??? Maybe there are new options that weren't translated or some translations were left out ^_^ If you're good enough at English I'd recommend using English interface anyway, it is much more understandable. 3. After update from 1.36 to 1.38e I had "Justify on autowrap" in "Utilities" of editor by every editor start. And every time I had to disable this option at first ... ??? To change this option everywhere, turn it off in menu Options|Editor Preferences. 4. And a new problem after last update: If I mark a word or text to delete, it's only possible with "shift-del", not more with "del" like before ?! Maybe somehow "persistent text" was enabled or "overwrite blocks" disabled in Editor Preferences? Sounds like it. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: mail ticker / auto-completion questions
Jast, Regarding your message dated: 01 February 2000... J Morning Mark R Harding, I'd like to dock the mail-ticker to either the top or bottom of the screen but at the moment, if I do this it appears 'over' other windows rather than forcing the other windows to not locate themselves underneath the ticker - is their any way to force this behaviour at all? J If I understood you correctly, what you want is to right-click on the J ticker and turn the option "always on top" off. This is helpful but not exactly what I was after. Imagine, for example, the Microsoft Office toolbar. I haven't used it myself for a while but as I recall, when you chose to use it the space it occupied became unavailable for other applications. Thus, if you maximised a window's size using the maximise button the window's border would stretch to the limits imposed by the screen boundaries and the edges of the Window's Taskbar, the Office taskbar and so on... This is the same effect I was hoping to achieve with the Bat's mail-ticker. If it isn't possible, so be it but I thought it was worth to ask... I am used to Netscape Messenger's pinpoint addressing where you begin to enter a recipient's email address and then complete it using the tab-key. (snip...) Thanks for the answer on this. Now I know how TB! works with regard to address completion I can better adapt my behaviour to suit. (...because it's still necessary to adapt to software rather than vice versa isn't it!...) Cheers, Mark --- Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6, RC 1.5 -- - Mark R Harding Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Thomas, TF Saves on disk space? not much (.7k /mail * 25000) but the main reason (as i stated before) is the fact that tb! starts way faster than with those 15000 single mails... TF - I receive only the single mails, and delete them after 30 days - TF that's over 1000 mails. same here, to keep the threads a bit intact... TF Very few mails are marked as parked. If I do need anything else, TF there is always the archive on the net. Why do you need to archive TF all these +10,000 mails on your HD? the internet is slow you can not always reach it... further: i've got a download limit... it's quite high, but i surf/ftp on the edges of it :-) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Speelplein Aboe http://www.aboe.zzn.com * You're too drunk when... ...you don't recognize wife unless seen through bottom of glass... Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 on Windows 98 4.10 build A with a Intel p200-MMX @ 64 MB 21Gb Hd .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Red folders.
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Nick, NA But will it still send it if you park the message in the Outbox Jast? no, tb! won't send them: it uses 'parked' to save message-drafts... and it indeed is a good reminder: hit reply, save it as a draft et voila :-) you've got your reminder... -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Speelplein Aboe http://www.aboe.zzn.com * Every thing in this world is an idea acted on. Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 on Windows 98 4.10 build A with a Intel p200-MMX @ 64 MB 21Gb Hd .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
p and why does a three line tagline bother you?
(I get arrogant because I dont want to say )
WK Because we can not read it.
(he gets arrogant with the Wrath of Moderator
Godliness on his side)
WK Please use an encoding that is appropriate for
WK an international mailing list.
(please explain in DETAIL what that is. Give a
URL or something at least!)
WK And please add a signature delimiter
this actually sounds like a scolding from mother
is that the moderators intent?
hopefully you get so angry the blood vessels are
bulging out of your neck about now. I actually
hope you are mad. That's good. Get mad and kick
me out. Do it. Then I can show everyone on
USENET how screwed up you are. You can prove
your point here. But I can prove my point
elsewhere. It's a free world.
TF And this is where I have to defend Wolfgang: I would think this
TF wording is considered appropriately polite in Germany. I am sure he
TF didn't intend to convey any bad vibes. (Wolfgang, correct me if I'm
TF wrong.)
Wolfgang aka the Moderator is CORRECT 100% that I
left out a tearline aka delimiter aka kludge or
what ever you want to call the dash dash space.
I was all ready to let this go, but now my
question remains. What is appropriate.
are those little @ 's appropriate?
@ eat @
@ at @
@ Joe's @
@
if so how many lines can follow the --
How about a specific NUMBER please. So there is no
question.
Where is the line drawn exactly?
look i understand what a tearline is what PID's
are and such from fidonet.
which follow a format like this:
- [0] Netmail (66:1916/0) NETMAIL -
Msg : 2 of 2 Uns Dir Pvt Cra Loc K/s
From : Charred 99:916/025 Jan 00 08:43:57
To : Spaceman99:916/5
Subj : remember bbs's
-230
INTL 99:916/5 99:916/0
FLAGS DIR
MSGID: 99:916/0 388d62e3
PID: GED 2.5.b6 yeah right
Hello Spaceman.
cool my old editor works still.
Charred
... You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today.
--- GoldED
But this isn't the question.
The question is. Where does harassment stop and
the vague term appropriate begin? I mean if your
laying down some heavy rules then let's be
specific and not so vague. Otherwise you are the
one displaying the annoying behavior. By telling
us do as i say not as i do.
To me Those little @@@ are not
appropriate. But you don't hear my whining about
that. They're annoying, yet I fully expected to
see them. and the BOX people - etc.. I
already know there is going to be a certain amount
of that--it what separates the the GREY AND BLACK
world from the world of FUN and COLOR!
Already I found a way to make a LINE DISAPPEAR
from the average viewer. Maybe you like this neat
trick? or is it too annoying behavior?
-
Can you read this.
-
between the above line say's, "Can you read this."
Is invisible text appropriate?
shift right click to read it
You can flip back to the FACT i didn't use a
TEARLINE or a DELIMITER or WHATEVER you want to
call it. I totally AGREE. Your right. I forgot
to add that in the message.
I repeat again and again It wont happen again.
I've already said that.
But beyond that. Come on. Is there a CHARTER, a
FAQ, a RULES , a guideline or something that
specifically says what is APPROPRIATE. What if
someone asks a question written in spanish? Is it
a problem? What about Laotian? Or the alphabet of
Malachim. Where does it stop?
Which languages are allowed ( I assume english )
if it's english only then what is this doing here
in this Mailing list:
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
If i had to translate Japanese I would have used
a PLAIN TEXT FILE AND SENT AN ATTACHMENT. since
the interface isn't 100%.
Anyway
I say I am singled out.
If your going to moderate me then DO it to
everyone else as well. Or else get some
faq's or something out to US!
Are Lower ascii codes dangerous?
Are Higher ascii codes dangerous?
Shouldn't we all know this answer?
I admit to 1/2 the BLAME for using no
"delimiter" as wolfgang puts it. Your 100% right.
I screwed up.
The other 1/2 of the BLAME here, is the lack of a
FAQ or charter to tell me specifically NOT to use
high/low ascii.
And any other wierd stuff that people try.
An outline.I mean you can boot me off the
list. That IS what a moderator does. This is
not what I wanted out of this mail list when I
signed up for it.
I've been in many mail-lists, MB's, BBS's, FTS-001
nets , I never HAD a problem as long as I followed
fidonet's little rule of non-annoying behavior. BUT
FIDONET had it written down for someone to read it.
Some have said a rule of thumb is three lines of
text at the end of the message.
Now only MY question
Re: ùùùùùùv1.41
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 21:01:36 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Are you sure? g I know my C-Win cannot interfere with a jpg file, but the characters in lines 2 and 3 (before v2.00 and v1.41 respectively) look like dashes here, not like the circumflexed U he described in his poem. (Sorry, I don't want to prolong this thread, *but*). ;-) Yes, they are supposed to be dashes. They represent graphs of v1.41 vs. v2 of TB!. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** I'm fascinated by the way memory diffuses fact. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:52:19 +0100, Jast wrote: First, you're seeing red folders and now you installed WPC font and have all sizes available for use. Hey, I'll soon be sending for your machine so be sure to keep an eye on it. :) FWIW, I too have all sizes for choice with the Courier new font. With the other fonts I just enter the number I want manually - it works |-) Actually I was referring to the WPC font that Phil posted. I have no problems with courier new either. With respect to the other fonts, simply typing in the desired size doesn't always work for me especially with some of these fixed width fonts that I have accumulated. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Oxymoron: Too Many Taglines. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Red folders.
This message: 01/02/2000 14:59 GMT. Hello Allie, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 12:55:17 PM, you wrote: AM I can't reproduce that over here so I'll forget sending for AM your computer. :) BTW, I managed to get my inbox red. I copied two AM high priority messages to it and then marked them unread. What use is AM that? I don't know. It's OK, I sussed it. Clicking on Reply does use the template, clicking on Reply to All doesn't... At least now it does anyway. Glad you got your inbox red, not too sure why it's only the inbox and not the others. I can see the advantage of it if it was the other way round, albeit a minor one. Perhaps a short note to the wish list to swap them round. An apology I think to the list. Sorry but I forgot to delete the message with the attachment on and it got sent. I meant to delete it after the situation had been resolved in a latter posting. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Usenet - Batology
This message: 01/02/2000 15:11 GMT. Hello Allie, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 12:33:30 PM, you wrote: AM I've been lurking a few heavy traffic news groups and Agents AM lack of being able to score is a problem Ever thought of trying Gravity? There are only two programs that I have downloaded that have prompted me to send any money off. Bat! being one and Gravity news reader the other. In fact it was in a news group discussion about Gravity that I was recommended to the Bat! I said if I could find an e-mail program as good as Gravity is a news reader I could do away with Outlook Express altogether. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: mail ticker / auto-completion questions
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:25:06 +, Mark R Harding wrote: This is helpful but not exactly what I was after. Imagine, for example, the Microsoft Office toolbar. I haven't used it myself for a while but as I recall, when you chose to use it the space it occupied became unavailable for other applications. Thus, if you maximised a window's size using the maximise button the window's border would stretch to the limits imposed by the screen boundaries and the edges of the Window's Taskbar, the Office taskbar and so on... This is the same effect I was hoping to achieve with the Bat's mail-ticker. If it isn't possible, so be it but I thought it was worth to ask... I see what you're saying and the answer is no, it cannot do that. What you seem to be wishing for is an additional ticker option to not only keep it always on top but to also adjust the desktop work area so that maximised windows will be restricted to the new boundaries. Pretty much like how the taskbar works. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** DEFINE: De ting you get for breaking de law. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote:
Anyway
I say I am singled out.
If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well.
Or else get some faq's or something out to US!
You're not being singled out Phil.
Anyway, RFC1855, speaks on netiquette guidelines. Here are some
excerpts:
Abstract
This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
Etiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
their own use. As such, it is deliberately written in a bulleted
format to make adaptation easier and to make any particular item easy
(or easier) to find. It also functions as a minimum set of
guidelines for individuals, both users and administrators. This memo
is the product of the Responsible Use of the Network (RUN) Working
Group of the IETF.
{...snip...}
3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews
- Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of
the culture of the group.
- Do not blame the system administrator for the behavior of the
system users.
- Consider that a large audience will see your posts.
That may include your present or your next boss. Take
care in what you write. Remember too, that mailing lists and
Newsgroups are frequently archived, and that your words may be
stored for a very long time in a place to which many people have
access.
- Assume that individuals speak for themselves, and what they
say does not represent their organization (unless stated
explicitly).
- Remember that both mail and news take system resources. Pay
attention to any specific rules covering their uses your
organization may have.
- Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
as an immature beginner.
- Subject lines should follow the conventions of the group.
- Forgeries and spoofing are not approved behavior.
- Advertising is welcomed on some lists and Newsgroups, and abhorred
on others! This is another example of knowing your audience
before you post. Unsolicited advertising which is completely
off-topic will most certainly guarantee that you get a lot of
hate mail.
- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
- Again, be sure to have a signature which you attach to your
message. This will guarantee that any peculiarities of mailers or
newsreaders which strip header information will not delete the
only reference in the message of how people may reach you.
- Be careful when you reply to messages or postings. Frequently
replies are sent back to the address which originated the post -
which in many cases is the address of a list or group! You may
accidentally send a personal response to a great many people,
embarrassing all involved. It's best to type in the address
instead of relying on "reply."
- Delivery receipts, non-delivery notices, and vacation programs
are neither totally standardized nor totally reliable across the
range of systems connected to Internet mail. They are invasive
when sent to mailing lists, and some people consider delivery
receipts an invasion of privacy. In short, do not use them.
- If you find a personal message has gone to a list or group, send
an apology to the person and to the group.
- If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person,
make your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to
send messages to the list or the group. If you are debating a
point on which the group might have some interest, you may
summarize for them later.
- Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
to incendiary material.
- Avoid sending messages or posting articles which are no more than
gratuitous replies to replies.
- Be careful with monospacing fonts and diagrams. These will
display differently on different systems, and with different
mailers on the same system.
- There are Newsgroups and Mailing Lists which discuss topics
of wide varieties of
Re: Usenet - Batology
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:19:26 +, Tony Boom wrote: Ever thought of trying Gravity? Yeah, I posted my thoughts on Gravity earlier. I hate the editor and X-News equals it in functionality except for the fact that X-News isn't really an offline newsreader. In fact, IMHO, X-News packs the more useable interface. There are only two programs that I have downloaded that have prompted me to send any money off. Bat! being one and Gravity news reader the other. ;-O Shh! That doesn't sound too good. ;-D In fact it was in a news group discussion about Gravity that I was recommended to the Bat! I said if I could find an e-mail program as good as Gravity is a news reader I could do away with Outlook Express altogether. For a free newsreader X-News is really great. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case; coincidence?... ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: mail ticker and rolling up into like a little rectangle next to the start button ;o)
AM I see what you're saying and the answer is no, it cannot do AM that. What you seem to be wishing for is an additional ticker option AM to not only keep it always on top but to also adjust the desktop work AM area so that maximised windows will be restricted to the new AM boundaries. Pretty much like how the taskbar works. Actually if it rolled up like the KDE bar does in Linux it would be killer. (You know that would be sweet) Or make it another "taskbar icon." show auto hide taskbar off BTW- how many people got the bat working with FTS-001 nets, how about qwk-mail nets? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote: Anyway I say I am singled out. If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well. Or else get some faq's or something out to US! AM You're not being singled out Phil. I get the message -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
OT: Newsreaders (Was Re: Usenet - Batology)
At Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:19:26 +, you wrote: This message: 01/02/2000 15:11 GMT. Hello Allie, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 12:33:30 PM, you wrote: AM I've been lurking a few heavy traffic news groups and Agents AM lack of being able to score is a problem Ever thought of trying Gravity? There are only two programs that I have downloaded that have prompted me to send any money off. Bat! being one and Gravity news reader the other. In fact it was in a news group discussion about Gravity that I was recommended to the Bat! I said if I could find an e-mail program as good as Gravity is a news reader I could do away with Outlook Express altogether. Try Xnews: http://xnews.3dnews.net/ You don't even have to plunk any money down at all. It's free. But I liked it so much that I sent the writer a Borders Gift Certificate. It's got scoring, filtering, smart binary downloads, you name it. Derek -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning phil,
cool down dude :-) Nobody here has the intent to single you out or
whatever. People basically just asked the question "What does your
signature mean?" as it wouldn't work with most encodings. You just kind of
misinterpreted this...
WK And please add a signature delimiter
this actually sounds like a scolding from mother
is that the moderators intent?
No, I don't think so. Wolfgang just asked you to please add a signature
delimiter. I see nothing wrong in him asking to please add a signature
delimiter, nor in the way he did it... Besides, a sig delimiter isn't even
required here, just appreciated.
How about a specific NUMBER please. So there is no question.
Where is the line drawn exactly?
Some people have 6 line sigs and it won't bother. 4 lines is considered
100% acceptable mostly.
The question is. Where does harassment stop and the vague term
appropriate begin? I mean if your laying down some heavy rules then let's
be specific and not so vague.
I don't consider the rules here very "heavy" and not following them have
been handled pretty jovially in the past. You just keep misinterpreting
people :-)
Already I found a way to make a LINE DISAPPEAR from the average viewer.
Maybe you like this neat trick? or is it too annoying behavior?
-
Can you read this.
FYI, I can read it without doing anything. In the font you sent it's the
smiley 001. YaY, I like smileys because they remind me of ZZT.
But beyond that. Come on. Is there a CHARTER, a FAQ, a RULES , a
guideline or something that specifically says what is APPROPRIATE.
You get extensive information on this when subscribing to TBUDL.
What if someone asks a question written in spanish?
Then this person probably won't get too many replies as the only common
language here is English. Also one should take discussions in non-english
off-list. That is all.
Which languages are allowed ( I assume english ) if it's english only
then what is this doing here in this Mailing list:
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
If i had to translate Japanese I would have used a PLAIN TEXT FILE AND
SENT AN ATTACHMENT. since the interface isn't 100%.
It's only an example for those that it concerns. It doesn't concern me,
I can live without knowing what is says (though I'd prefer to)
I say I am singled out.
Gee no!
Are Lower ascii codes dangerous?
No.
Are Higher ascii codes dangerous?
Only for understandability, and it's usually in minor points.
An outline. I mean you can boot me off the list. That IS what a moderator
does.
Moderators here usually only notify people that are close to breaking the
rules of that. More never was necessary.
Hope I helped clearing things up ^_^
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Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning Allie Martin, Actually I was referring to the WPC font that Phil posted. I have no problems with courier new either. With respect to the other fonts, simply typing in the desired size doesn't always work for me especially with some of these fixed width fonts that I have accumulated. Well, typing it in works for me even in the WPC font, although all sizes aren't shown. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
Hello Allie, On Tuesday, February 01, 2000 you wrote: I can't reproduce that over here so I'll forget sending for your computer. :) BTW, I managed to get my inbox red. I copied two high priority messages to it and then marked them unread. What use is that? I don't know. Come on, here the folder is blue in that case! Do you really mean inbox??? Here only OUTbox can be red in some cases... -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
Hello Thomas, On Tuesday, February 01, 2000 you wrote: NA On the other hand... :o) I see a few "high priority" messages that really NA are... Ummm... questionable, so we might just end up with red folders all NA over the place. Still, I like the idea as long as marking messages as such NA wasn't abused. Many of the messages I receive (office) are marked "high priority"; so that I chose to ignore the flag. So a red folder would be almost equivalent to a folder containing unread messages. ;-) Hey, people, what are we talking about? Outbox? If so, then red outbox *is* equivalent to any other folder containing unread messages. This red color of outbox has nothing in common to any high priority messages! If you are talking about red INbox, then I would be happy to get informed how to do this... Best regards, -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Hi there! On 31 Jan 00, at 23:11, Paula Ford wrote about "Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests": So if a digest contains, say, 30 messages, you receive one mail message with 30 attachments? This sounds tedious to deal with in any mailer. Well no. I tested Pegasus in this regard. Whenever you open a MIME digest, a new window opens up listing the messages as if you had opened a folder!! OK, I get it. That does sound nice, but it seems that Pegasus is the only mailer that does that. I really can't say for sure. AFAIK, LookOut does it _exactly_ as TB performs;- ) Which makes me think that TB developers have borrowed a good bit from LookOut (just remember the address separator issue: _every_ other program uses comma, RFCs say "use comma and nothing but the comma", but LookOut and TB still use semicolon;-)) Relatively new mailers like Poco don't work with MIME digests well, too... I presume, there _do_ exist MUAs that do it like Pegasus does, but I don't know any;-( Actually, there _exist_ things that only Pegasus does;-) I'd sure wish to see _many_ of these in TB! Forte" Agent does it differently. It 'bursts' the MIME digest into separate messages (if you so choose) into the folder in which you download the MIME digest. You may then go through the messages. For a mailing list, I don't see how this would be much different than receiving messages individually, then filtering them to a folder. Yes, exactly my point. I'd personally prefer the way how Pegasus does it. Frankly, I don't understand why people prefer to receive the plain-text digests, except that they don't know how to filter messages to folders. So much easier to deal with separate messages, I think. Yup. But MIME digests are in many cases different from this. It makes archiving mailing lists quite simple, besides... -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Don't let school interfere with your education. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: OT: Mailers that support MIME digests [Was: Re: Digest Set-up]
Paula wrote: PF Frankly, I don't understand why people prefer to receive the plain-text PF digests, except that they don't know how to filter messages to folders. PF So much easier to deal with separate messages, I think. So I don't have the flapping bat all day. So I can check for email every ten minutes and actually not get list messages every single check. Alternatively, it would be nice if the bat stopped flashing each time you looked through your mail, even if you left unread messages. Then when more NEW mail came in, it'd start flashing again. (Again, this is the way Agent works, sigh...) -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote:
Anyway
I say I am singled out.
If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well.
Or else get some faq's or something out to US!
AM You're not being singled out Phil.
AM Anyway, RFC1855, speaks on netiquette guidelines. Here are some
AM excerpts:
AM Abstract
AMThis document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
AMEtiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
AMtheir own use. As such, it is deliberately written in a bulleted
AMformat to make adaptation easier and to make any particular item easy
AM(or easier) to find. It also functions as a minimum set of
AMguidelines for individuals, both users and administrators. This memo
AMis the product of the Responsible Use of the Network (RUN) Working
AMGroup of the IETF.
AM {...snip...}
AM 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews
AM - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
AM you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of
AM the culture of the group.
AM - Do not blame the system administrator for the behavior of the
AM system users.
AM - Consider that a large audience will see your posts.
AM That may include your present or your next boss. Take
AM care in what you write. Remember too, that mailing lists and
AM Newsgroups are frequently archived, and that your words may be
AM stored for a very long time in a place to which many people have
AM access.
AM - Assume that individuals speak for themselves, and what they
AM say does not represent their organization (unless stated
AM explicitly).
AM - Remember that both mail and news take system resources. Pay
AM attention to any specific rules covering their uses your
AM organization may have.
AM - Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
AM wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
AM messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
AM or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
AM as an immature beginner.
AM - Subject lines should follow the conventions of the group.
AM - Forgeries and spoofing are not approved behavior.
AM - Advertising is welcomed on some lists and Newsgroups, and abhorred
AM on others! This is another example of knowing your audience
AM before you post. Unsolicited advertising which is completely
AM off-topic will most certainly guarantee that you get a lot of
AM hate mail.
AM - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
AM summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
AM enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
AM sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
AM Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
AM postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
AM response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
AM helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
AM - Again, be sure to have a signature which you attach to your
AM message. This will guarantee that any peculiarities of mailers or
AM newsreaders which strip header information will not delete the
AM only reference in the message of how people may reach you.
AM - Be careful when you reply to messages or postings. Frequently
AM replies are sent back to the address which originated the post -
AM which in many cases is the address of a list or group! You may
AM accidentally send a personal response to a great many people,
AM embarrassing all involved. It's best to type in the address
AM instead of relying on "reply."
AM - Delivery receipts, non-delivery notices, and vacation programs
AM are neither totally standardized nor totally reliable across the
AM range of systems connected to Internet mail. They are invasive
AM when sent to mailing lists, and some people consider delivery
AM receipts an invasion of privacy. In short, do not use them.
AM - If you find a personal message has gone to a list or group, send
AMan apology to the person and to the group.
AM - If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person,
AMmake your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to
AMsend messages to the list or the group. If you are debating a
AMpoint on which the group might have some interest, you may
AMsummarize for them later.
AM - Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
AM to incendiary material.
AM - Avoid sending messages or posting articles which are no more than
AM gratuitous replies to replies.
AM - Be careful with
polish tip of the day
Poland, Biaystok, Tuesday, February 01, 2000 Hello, Just translated Tip Of The Day into Polish. Sent the news to RIT but got no reply except the exciting robot message. Could I ask any RIT people on the list to tell me if you're interested in including it into your future releases and tell me who to contact and where to send it, etc? Also, interested in translating help file into Polish. Up The Bat!, bertie running The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ICQ UIN: 20710508 http://www.globalvillage.edu.pl/bertie PGP key: http://www.globalvillage.edu.pl/pgpkeys/bertie [GU d-- s-:- a- C+++ L+++ E W++ N+ w--- PS+++ Y= PGP++ tv-- b+ h] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Sorry, don't know how the preceeding got sent. Musta been a twitchy finger 'cause I was just browsing messages all morning, and didn't want to reply to this thread. -tom! -- Knowin' this said *nothing* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: More The Bat! features [sic]
Some mean dude on another mailing list sent this snide comment, in response to a message I posted with The Bat! that used the "Re[2]:" format. === * I thought that numbered replies went out with FirstClass, a third-rate system for the Macintosh and, with Corel, another cause to be ashamed of my Canadian passport. Definitely not ready for prime time, but keep up the good fight coercing it to handle DBCS properly, John. == So is there even a way to turn off the numbered Re: feature and just have a plain Re: for all replies? -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: More The Bat! features [sic]
Hello John,
So is there even a way to turn off the numbered Re: feature and just
have a plain Re: for all replies?
Try %SINGLERE in your reply template, it works for me!
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Re: Red folders.
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:39:52 +0100, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: I can't reproduce that over here so I'll forget sending for your computer. :) BTW, I managed to get my inbox red. I copied two high priority messages to it and then marked them unread. What use is that? I don't know. Come on, here the folder is blue in that case! Do you really mean inbox??? Here only OUTbox can be red in some cases... Yes, I meant OUTbox. g Sorry if I confused the situation. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: More The Bat! features [sic]
On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:36:54 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
Some mean dude on another mailing list sent this snide comment, in
response to a message I posted with The Bat! that used the "Re[2]:"
format.
{...snip...}
That wouldn't have gone down well with Phil. :)))
So is there even a way to turn off the numbered Re: feature and just
have a plain Re: for all replies?
Use the %SINGLERE macro in your reply templates. Just stick it
in at the end.
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Re: Is there any comparison chart between some major e-mail clients andThe Bat ?
Hello, Batmen and women, Homesick Mac wrote... Hi folks, has anybody ever done or maybe seen some kind of comparison chart between major e-mail clients and TB ? Probably, somewhere. I'm planning on adding The Bat! to my own mailer comparisons, after I get to know it better. (Available on my Web site below.) The problem is, those charts and reviews, including mine, are not as useful as they pretend to be. Especially with a program like The Bat! with its unique features like the Mail Ticker(TM). How do you show that on a chart, or how do you rate it in a review? It's only useful if you like that particular approach to mail management. All interface issues are relative; some would prefer more dialog boxes and fewer macro arguments, whereas others like the templates + macros approach. Same for the multiple-windows versus single multi-pane window design. (I personally don't like the Eudora or Pegasus style of interface, and can only tolerate The Bat!'s multiple popup windows because of the mail ticker. I sure would like to use my space bar, though, to run through all unread messages across all folders and accounts without going through the ticker. And how do you go to the ticker without using your mouse?) Other things that typically don't show up in reviews and comparative studies: - Editor behavior. How do you quantify something like TB's handling of quoted text and automatic reflowing? - Mouse versus keyboard. Most reviewers in the mainstream press and on shareware sites like Stroud's or Winfiles don't even care about keyboard shortcuts, for example. They are perfectly willing to use the mouse, not realizing the efficiency of working from the keyboard. - Folder-specific configuration. Again, reviewers typically blow this one off as a non-essential frill, even though it sets the great mailers apart from the rest. The Bat! even has address-specific settings, but most reviewers don't notice this feature. [Stroud's site still claims that The Bat! doesn't handle HTML mail (or do they mean it doesn't create it? If so, that's a plus!).] So even if you do find such a comparison, it's probably best not to give it too much credence. It all depends on which features you yourself value or need. -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: HTML
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:28:02 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 10:28:02 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: No, they don't know how to open attachments. I'm happy they can read our emails and even reply and create. A picture now and then would make them happy. That's the point. ;-) No idea if it helps but for picture viewing ACDSEE is very good. if it helps THEM, no idea... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Is there any omparison chart between some major e-mail clients and The Bat ?
Hello Homesick Mac, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:36:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, February 02, 2000, 5:36:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Homesick Mac wrote: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 Hi folks, has anybody ever done or maybe seen some kind of comparison chart between major e-mail clients and TB ? No, but acc to one of the cracking groups, this is what they think of the Bat. No idea if they wrote it or found it somewhere else but the recommendation is clear... quote: ³³ ³ The Bat! is a powerful, highly configurable, yet easy to use, email client ³ ³ for the casual user or the power user, the home or the office. ³ ³³ ³ Features: ³ ³ -Unlimited multiple accounts and multiple users³ ³ -Familiar Explorer-style folders for organizing messages ³ ³ -Easily configurable user interface with message preview option³ ³ -Process email in the background for all accounts simultaneously ³ ³ -Built-in HTML email viewer and message editor with spell-as-you-go³ ³ -Fully customizable message templates for maximum flexibility ³ ³ -Powerful filtering for automated message handling ³ ³ -Sophisticated address book for storing all personal information ³ ³ -Unique Mail Ticker for email notification ³ ³ -Mail Dispatcher for managing email on remote servers ³ ³ -Multi-lingual interface supporting 15 languages on the fly³ ³ -Support for all PGP versions from 2.6x through 6.5³ ³ -Import message bases from all major email clients ³ ³ -Many more features for managing email quickly and easily... ³ ³³ Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the AM signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I AM would assume that you include a signature for your readers to AM understand right and not simply for you to admire. If they don't AM understand it, then why include it? Frankly, if I were in your place, AM I'd thank the readership for indicating to me that my signature is AM coming across as unreadable gibberish because that's clearly not my AM intention. Is it yours? If I read the string of mails correctly the many remarks / cinmplaints werent about the contents of the signature but mainly that receivered didnt have a clue what it meant due to all of us using different fonts. And explaining it in a poem doesnt help as the same fonts will show every character as it was in the signature... It was a nice short signature, just that almost nobody could read it(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
Hello Tony, On Tuesday, February 01, 2000 at 10:33:15 GMT + (which was 2:33 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: This message: 01/02/2000 10:13 GMT. Just what is the purpose of message priority anyway? I'm not really sure since I don't use it myself, but if you are receiving lots of mail everyday, it might be useful to check high priority messages first. Of course that means you depend on the sender to categorize it correctly, which almost always fails. They all have the same chance of reaching their destination and all get read. Not everyone reads every message that comes into their mailbox. Plus the high priority flag suggests that you read the message *now* and not later. Again you might go online just to download your messages so you can read them later, but this flag might make you stop and read the message now. Again, I don't use this feature, that's what filtering is for. -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: HTML
I wrote regarding sending pictures and HTML: I'm open to suggestions on how to get this to work. Then Paula Quipped: Suggest you put copy of photos in addressed envelope, attach necessary postage, seal envelope, insert envelope in mailbox. That SO old fashioned. And the types of photographs that I'm talking about won't be developed at the one-hour photo. Furthermore, the USPS, might be a little upset with their content too. Contact me privately if you need further instruction. ;) Thanks but I'd rather do it the new way, with a digital camera. Alternatively, encourage the intended recipient to seek help in learning how to save an attachment to disk, then view. This might be considered a minimal skill that anyone using e-mail should acquire. I agree, and that is what I encouraged. But I'll bet you those photos are still sitting on the HD, unopened. [Barbie Doll Mode On] "Computers are so complicated." [Barbie Doll Mode Off] Derek -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -'95 Concours DoD #1359 COG #2103 SR #772 AEE #036025 ASHRAE #5106329 PADI NRA LF-FL A (American Association Against Acronym Abuse) http://www.tiac.net/users/struff/derek.htm -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Displaying Digest results in line
Hello Alexander, On Sun, 30 Jan 2000 at 21:48:28 [GMT +0300], you wrote: In version 2 ;-) AVK This answer is not an answer at all... I didn't ask "where", I AVK did ask "when";-) According to Stefan during the interview, we may have a beta sometime in February. Whether this is still true or not, I don't know. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Books you'll never see; Children's book of pop-up anatomy. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
Hi Christopher, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:49:46 +0100GMT (02/02/2000, 02:49 +0800GMT), Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: Many of the messages I receive (office) are marked "high priority"; so that I chose to ignore the flag. So a red folder would be almost equivalent to a folder containing unread messages. ;-) CJT If you are talking about red INbox, then I would be happy to get CJT informed how to do this... I wrote this when somebody said any folders would/should turn red if they contain HiPri messages. However, you have clarified in the meantime that the outbox turns red if unread message are in there, and the others turn blue in that case. I thought you had clarified this pretty well. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
updating LDAP entries
I have an LDAP server on my LAN which I intend to load up with my address books, which I will make available to all sorts of users and programs. My question is that I don't seem to be able to update records in my LDAP server through the address book in The Bat! Whenever I try to set up a new entry or amend an entry it does not seem to save it in the LDAP server Can anyone help? Nick Rout Partner Nick Sue Rout Barristers Solicitors PO Box 25-275 Christchurch, New Zealand Ph +64 3 3798966 Fax +64 3 3798853 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Is there any comparison chart between some major e-mail clients and The Bat ?
Hello John De Hoog, On Wednesday, February 02, 2000 at 09:33:53 GMT +0900 (which was 02/02/2000 7:33 GMT +0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: Hi folks, has anybody ever done or maybe seen some kind of comparison chart between major e-mail clients and TB ? JDH Probably, somewhere. I'm planning on adding The Bat! to my own JDH mailer comparisons, after I get to know it better. (Available on JDH my Web site below.) I didn't see The Bat! there, perhaps later after you have page for English MUA ? [ ... ] JDH Other things that typically don't show up in reviews and JDH comparative studies: [ ... ] JDH - Folder-specific configuration. Again, reviewers typically blow JDH this one off as a non-essential frill, even though it sets the JDH great mailers apart from the rest. The Bat! even has JDH address-specific settings, but most reviewers don't notice this JDH feature. [Stroud's site still claims that The Bat! doesn't handle JDH HTML mail (or do they mean it doesn't create it? If so, that's a JDH plus!).] JDH So even if you do find such a comparison, it's probably best not JDH to give it too much credence. It all depends on which features JDH you yourself value or need. Yep, agree. I would like to add some of my interest : - Flexible Folder directory. I can put folder on the network/map drive, this is give 3 benefit : a) I can utilize my Server security for folder access. b) I can work from any node in my LAN. c) I can utilize my Server backup. - Sharing Addressbook If I put the address book in Network Drive, I can share this address book with other user (if I want). This is can be use as Global (Public) address book for company who use SMTP/POP mail server, which not have LDAP server. And ( another plus), because we can put macro/template in address book, novice user can take benefit from using this Global Address Book. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Wednesday, February 02, 2000, 10:27:27 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New user's questions
Hello Jast, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:10:12 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 9:10:12 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Morning Thomas Fernandez, 1. For the last two updates I always lost my sub folders and templates for all accounts in The Bat! I always had to make new one's again. But on hard disk there were all sub folders ... !? If the accounts are still showing in the Bat and only the sub-folders are missing, press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L to recover lost folders and messages still on HD. I had recently due to a clean install and hard disk reorganisation a similar problem and none of my normal tricks got it back. Essentially MY problem was that if you move the Bat files to a different location even recreating the new/old accounts isnt going to pick up that you moved them. In the end I went into the registry, zapped all there is about the bat, and then on restarting the bat it wants you to set up accounts and then I selected the old ones and bang, back in existance. This whole nuisance shouldnt be necessary if the directory where the Bat is located knows WHERE the mailboxes are. Considering the many times people seem to 'mislay' their mail I would recommend getting this data out of the registry to the ini file or whatever. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: New user's questions
Hello, Batmen and women, tracer wrote... I had recently due to a clean install and hard disk reorganisation a similar problem and none of my normal tricks got it back. Essentially MY problem was that if you move the Bat files to a different location even recreating the new/old accounts isnt going to pick up that you moved them. In the end I went into the registry, zapped all there is about the bat, and then on restarting the bat it wants you to set up accounts and then I selected the old ones and bang, back in existance. What I've done in the past (with other mail programs) is save the registry entries into a .reg file, run that at the new location, and edit any file references to point to the correct drive. (Datula makes that easier by including a "Backup registry" operation right from a menu.) -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Is there any comparison chart between some major e-mail clients andThe Bat ?
Hello, Batmen and women, Thomas Fernandez wrote... SH I didn't see The Bat! there, perhaps later after you have page for SH English MUA ? No, he is waiting for TB! to be translated into Japanese! ;-) You're right that my Web site reviews only mailers capable of handling Japanese, but I am thinking about adding The Bat! in a special guest appearance (noting that it will do Japanese when used with NJWin*), mainly to introduce a unique alternative to the standard programs out there. *That applies to most other mailers, too. But (1) not all of them let you add the correct charset header, and (2) many do not display Japanese properly even with NJWin. Pegasus, for example, leaves patches of un-decoded Japanese. Someone reported that the latest Eudora does not work at all with NJWin. -- John De Hoog http://dehoog.org -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Is there any comparison chart between some major e-mail clients and The Bat ?
On Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:33:53 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
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So even if you do find such a comparison, it's probably best not to
give it too much credence. It all depends on which features you
yourself value or need.
EXACTLY!! :) To add to that. The mailers may share the same
feature but one is implemented better than the other. The clear
example is templates. You'll have template support as one of the
categories and Pegasus, Becky, Poco and Kaufmann Mail Warrior all get
ticked. It doesn't really reflect the fact that TB!'s templates
support is way ahead of the others. There are many examples like this
so I hate simple comparison charts.
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AM The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the AM signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I AM would assume that you include a signature for your readers to AM understand right and not simply for you to admire. If they don't AM understand it, then why include it? Frankly, if I were in your place, AM I'd thank the readership for indicating to me that my signature is AM coming across as unreadable gibberish because that's clearly not my AM intention. Is it yours? t If I read the string of mails correctly the many remarks / cinmplaints t werent about the contents of the signature but mainly that receivered t didnt have a clue what it meant due to all of us using different t fonts. t And explaining it in a poem doesnt help as the same fonts will show t every character as it was in the signature... t It was a nice short signature, just that almost nobody could read it(g) t Best regards, t tracer t Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 t mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] t I am using FireTalk: 321338 t ICQ: on request t Website: www.phuketcomputers.com whatever man. let it go. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
Hi Januk, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:45:32 -0800GMT (02/02/2000, 12:45 +0800GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA Now if you could set the priority of mail that you *receive* either JA manually or through filters, then this might have some more use. But I'm doing this: "private" means read first, "business" means read second (and in the order of origin country, i.e. time zone, starting with Australia and going West until I reach US West Coast), and "mailing list" means, well, (no offense g). JA Agreed, I doubt my messages, to people I consider important, are being JA ignored, but I'm sure you can come up with some far out scenario JA where this might happen. Apart from spamming? No. JA But just to give a counter argument to your statement that all JA messages have equal chance of being read, that's not true. What if JA your recipient reads the first few lines and decides that it isn't JA worth reading. If the recipient is a friend: make his folder a sub-folder to "distant acquaintances". If he is a business partner: look for another one. If he is your brother: tough luck. He will not be likely to change his behaviour just because you have a red-colour envolope in front of your name in the message list. JA Then your message is unlikely to be read in full. If you set the JA priority flag, it might get a little more attention. I doubt that, and here is the reason: JA However this is a problem with the sender's writing style, and so it JA needs to be fixed there. Right. Urgent business enquiries have the word "URGENT" in the subject. JA That is probably a lot better since you can be a lot more JA descriptive. For example: "Important" That is implicit, if the message is from me. I don't send "unimportant" business emails. ;-) If I receive "Important" messages in my private email account, it has so far always been spam. JA or "To be done today" *Each* email and fax has to be replied to within 24 hours, those marked "urgent" within 2 hours - company rule. I support (and enforce) the rule. Private mails will be replied to within the time frame I see appropriate (and that can be a lot faster than business email g). -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Red folders.
On Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 8:45:32 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Now if you could set the priority of mail that you *receive* either manually or through filters, then this might have some more use. Failing that, it is hard to come up with a good reason to use the priority flag, as opposed to different folders. Well, I still think having the Folders turn colour if there is a high priority message in them, has it's advantages... if only in the simplicity of it: A high priority message... a red folder. You will want to check that folder first _because_ there is a high priority message. I get a lot of personal mail delivered to various folders, and it would be nice to know that if someone found the need to make the message high priority... that it would grab my attention right off _the bat_ ;o) without having to first open the folder to realize that you received a high priority message. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: More The Bat! features [sic]
On Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 3:27:29 PM, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: * I thought that numbered replies went out with FirstClass, a third-rate system for the Macintosh and, with Corel, another cause to be ashamed of my Canadian passport. Well, I'd say he's (at least, partially;-)) right here;-) Especially when Corel is concerned vbg. NO!! He is _NOT_ partially right Alexander... not in ANY sense of the word. Your smileys and grins are duly noted... but your statement is full of innuendos pertaining to Citizenship. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: More The Bat! features [sic]
On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:41:28PM -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: NO!! He is _NOT_ partially right Alexander... not in ANY sense of the word. Your smileys and grins are duly noted... but your statement is full of innuendos pertaining to Citizenship. Obviously I'm missing some argument I could be greatly blowing out of perportion. Could someone please fill me in? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
