Re: AB group
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan Rifkinson ! On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:05:39 -0500 GMT your local time, which was 04.11.2000, 00:05 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote: Gerd the msg?! [...] Have a look at the log field user log reported "user unknown" Did you enter the proper info about you when dialing-up? - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP-Keys on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key - Das lang gesuchte Zwischenglied zwischen dem Tier und dem wahrhaft humanen Menschen, sind wir :-) Wir haben nicht nur aus dem verbotenen Apfel Kompott gemacht, inzwischen sägen wir am Baum der Erkenntnis. (Stanislaw Lem, Fiasko) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOgPLd0y/sHrVbGGHEQJyewCfWZ5ZmJeHxl8+Ik0OEBbsFSlbL8IAoLw4 TXEjsqPP+ErimXpl+0M+UdHC =OmaB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
confusing deletion addendum
I have discovered somethin... if I say, in the account properties, for TB to leave messages on server, but to delete them when I delete them from my trash box, it works beatifully. I see that the message IS deleted on the server after the next send/retrieve sync. The only thing is, there is no information in the account log indicating that a message has been deleted. There is for a SEND, or a FETCH, but nothing saying "message so and so was deleted because it was nuked from your trash". I just find this curious, is it supposed to happen? -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Deleting large messages
Hi all, Just discovered a mix of setting which seems a bit risky to me. If you have an account set to delete messages from server once retrieved, and also set to not receive messages over x size. When a message arrives over that size, TB just retrieves the header and deletes the message, without giving you an option of retirieving it if you wish to. Have I done something wrong here, is there an option to delete messages from the server, but also not to delete all large messages, just those that you want to? -- Best regards Andy Using The Bat Ver 1.47 Halloween Edition On Windows NT 5 Build 2195 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Address book reply queries
Hi again, Sorry, I have two queries. 1. I did a search using my address book on an LDAP server, got a couple of results, but now all the entries in my personal local address book have disappeared. 2. I know I can use F4 to quote selected text in a reply, but how do I do this if I want to "reply all" as opposed to just reply? TIA -- Best regards Andy Using The Bat Ver 1.47 Halloween Edition On Windows NT 5 Build 2195 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address book reply queries
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Saturday, November 04, 2000, Andy wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about Address book reply queries: A 2. I know I can use F4 to quote selected text in a reply, but how do I A do this if I want to "reply all" as opposed to just reply? You can create a template (quick template) using %quouteclipboard macro. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.47 Halloween Edition under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address book reply queries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:23:23 +, Andy wrote these comments about 'Address book reply queries': A 1. I did a search using my address book on an LDAP server, got a A couple of results, but now all the entries in my personal local A address book have disappeared. Unfortunately, those addresses are gone. Did you do a backup? The same thing happened to me recently. I assume you local address's are in a green coloured book. This is because the address book has been associated with a LDAP server. When you do an LDAP server search, the matches are entered in the LDAP server associated book and the previous addresses deleted. Create address books for your personal addresses and for each address book, go into the properties and under the LDAP tab, disable the option 'This address book is associated with a LDAP server.' A 2. I know I can use F4 to quote selected text in a reply, but how do A I do this if I want to "reply all" as opposed to just reply? It's a pity the SHIFT operator, while hitting the reply toolbar button, doesn't work with reply-to-all. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "He who laughs last probably made a backup. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/2 (S/N CCA4F9B8) «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOgP1QfAXeSHuB5k3EQLYjgCfUVSTqe6CCUnC+b8FcYvn5/rnY/AAoKlN XBt778wETt4rPgLieeoRQrG/ =c2fz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - bug report : unsupported time zones
Hello The Bat! developers,
I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48 Beta/1 (but this applies to 1.47 as well)
Serial Number BB892117
under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 4
and would like to report a bug
The bug description:
the displayed local time of a message is not always correct. With
'displayed local time' i refer to the time displayed in the
'created' column or the cretaion time message header _and_ in the
%OTime/%ODate macro.
Bug: some common used time zones are not supported or wrong
Steps to reproduce the bug:
/1/ take a mail with the following Date field:
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:43:47 CEST
(yes, it's from a hotmail server...)
/2/ TB! interprets CEST as +0100, while it should be +0200
(for CET, TB! does it right, CET is really +0100)
Note: while CEST is not really allowed by RFC822 (neither is CET),
TB! should IMHO treat it right. There has to be some database, as
TB! knows about CET. Excerpt from RFC822 (why are explicitly only
north american time zones supported as abbreviations?):
zone= "UT" / "GMT"; Universal Time
; North American : UT
/ "EST" / "EDT"; Eastern: - 5/ - 4
/ "CST" / "CDT"; Central: - 6/ - 5
/ "MST" / "MDT"; Mountain: - 7/ - 6
/ "PST" / "PDT"; Pacific: - 8/ - 7
/ 1ALPHA ; Military: Z = UT;
; A:-1; (J not used)
; M:-12; N:+1; Y:+12
/ ( ("+" / "-") 4DIGIT ); Local differential
; hours+min. (HHMM)
[snip]
Time zone may be indicated in several ways. "UT" is Univer-
sal Time (formerly called "Greenwich Mean Time"); "GMT" is per-
mitted as a reference to Universal Time. The military standard
uses a single character for each zone. "Z" is Universal Time.
"A" indicates one hour earlier, and "M" indicates 12 hours ear-
lier; "N" is one hour later, and "Y" is 12 hours later. The
letter "J" is not used. The other remaining two forms are taken
from ANSI standard X3.51-1975. One allows explicit indication of
the amount of offset from UT; the other uses common 3-character
strings for indicating time zones in North America.
Regards,
Peter Steiner
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Re: Regular expressions
On 04 Nov 2000, Peter Steiner wrote: Strictly speaking, it _is_ correct. If you look what exactly is written in the MIME-munged subject, you see that in front of the 'Ich' is a =A0, which is a 'hard space' (in HTML-speak: nbsp;). So it just looks like too much spaces, but there really is only one space, followed by a hard space. Now I understand a lot better. You'll have to change your macro. Try replacing the first '\s' in the regexp with '[\s\xa0]'. But perhaps you should it leave it like it is, what if i _wanted_ to start a subject with a 'hard space'? Or is it time for a bug report to the developers of the mail client that put the =a0 in the subject in the first place? The client that produced this header is Outlook Express. Another reason to blame this client, I suppose. Do you know If anyone every sucessfully contacet the developers of Outlook Express...? How can you insert this =a0 manually in The Bat? And last but not least: Can you tell me where to find more information about this mime-encoding? Searching for "mime" at rfc- editor.org returns 90 matches. Thank you for your reply. Bye, Patrice -- The road to success is always under construction. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - bug report : local time and summertime
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48 Beta/1 (but this applies to 1.47 as well) Serial Number BB892117 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 4 and would like to report a bug The bug description: the displayed local time of a message is not always correct. With 'displayed local time' i refer to the time displayed in the 'created' column or the cretaion time message header _and_ in the %OTime/%ODate macro. Bug: When the local time zone has a period of daylight savings or summertime, this is ignored when calculating the local time. Steps to reproduce the bug: /1/ if your local time zone has no period of summertime, change your machine's setting to one that does have, eg Western Europe (GMT+01, Brussels, Berlin, Bern, Rome, Stockholm, Vienna). /2/ look at some message written one week ago (western Europe changed back from summertime last sunday). In the creation time message header you see eg Sa, 28 Okt 2000 17:39:19 (Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:39:19 +0200) (for easier explanation I picked a message from my own time zone) This is not what i'd expect because the local time for this message was then 18:39:19, as the local timezone _was_ +0200 (now it is +0100) /3/ reply to this message. If you use %ODate/%OTime in your reply template, you can observe the same error (okay, there are nice macros to extract the time including timezone from the Date: header field, but these don't work for other languages than english...) Regards, Peter Steiner -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Regular expressions
Hello Patrice On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:57:08 +0100, Patrice Neff wrote: PN How can you insert this =a0 manually in The Bat? Either by pressing Alt-0160 or by copying it from charmap.exe... PN And last but not least: Can you tell me where to find more PN information about this mime-encoding? Searching for "mime" at rfc- PN editor.org returns 90 matches. RFC2047 Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
After a long night of reading old TBUDL archived messages, I now realize The Bat! IMAP4 support is broken, or at least, not philosophically in keeping with the spirit of IMAP. At any rate, I found the solution to my problem of wanting to leave messages on the server, but also wanting to delete junk and so forth and messages with large attachments FROM the server. That was simply to mark "leave messages on server" but also "delete messages from server when they are deleted from the trash." That solution seems to work OK, but there are no log entries reflecting this deletion at the next sync, as my previous message to the list states. At any rate I now got into a related problem: how does one keep messages locally in TB folders but get rid of them on the server? It would be simple if I never checked "leave messages on server" but that way TB would have to be my exclusive client, and it isn't... I often read mail through outlook express and sometimes I even telnet into my server where I have shell access and read my mail using mutt. I found that there were lots of messages I wanted to archive, but didn't want them chewing up space on my IMAP box. I was not able to find a simple option (such as is available in Calypso, called "delete from server" as opposed to "delete" or "delete locally" or "delete from mailbox AND from server"). The kludge I came up with is this: 1) All the mail I want to keep, but delete from the server, is already sorted into local folders. Usually, it's list mail, or messages with multiple recipients (the poor-man's mailing list). 2) For each folder, I go into the folder, and start up the sorting office. 3) I set up a filter rule under Read messages. I call this rule whatever (e.g. DELLISTMSGS). I have it search for String ".*" under Sender, but it could be under any other field too. Note: regexp should be on. 4) I set the Source folder to be the folder containing the messages I want deleted from the server, and the Destination folder to be THE SAME FOLDER. That way the messages don't get moved, but under Actions I check "delete the message from the server." I have it set as active, and manual (but perhaps if it wasn't manual it would work automatically when a message is filed in that folder, after/if it was read... can anyone confirm?). 5) I bring down the main Folder menu and select Re-filter and select "Read messages" as the rulesets to apply, and watch as all the mail gets "filtered." even though it doesn't actually move, the filtering action takes care of selecting and deleting the messages from the server You may all wonder, why don't I just use the dispatcher? Well I can use the Search function not to mention sorting, in my regular folders. I can do all this to select messages then drag them all to a certain folder. Then I can have all the messages in the folder get deleted, this seems more flexible to me than hunting around in a severely functionality-limited message dispatcher. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? Also, can anyone point out my utter lack of intelligence by telling me there was an easy way to do what I am doing? :) Yours in The Bat!ness, -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: A Question about Distribution Lists
Hi Marck, Thanks for jumping in on this one. On Friday, November 03, 2000 @ 23:49:33 +, you wrote the following about "A Question about Distribution Lists" Marck [...] You would address a mail to "janrif list" (no Marck quotes). The mail would retain that addressing Marck syntax, even in the sent folder. The word "list" in Marck angle brackets is leterally a part of the required Marck syntax. Marck The messages at destination would appear as "To: Marck addr1, addr2, addr3, addr4" where each of the "addrN" Marck addresses would be of the full "RealName" Marck [EMAIL PROTECTED] as held in the address book Marck group. [...] In my experiment: JR Group = Jan Rifkinson JR handle = janrif JRWithin the group: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mail was sent only to the last 2 addresses. Hm. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
Hello again. I found an old archived message on the list with a bunch of free webmail servers with IMAP support. I set up an account at both subdimension.com and turbosport.com. Turbosport.com has 40MB of storage, for free, which seems unbelievable to me. Anyway, I found something curious. When I send myself mail (even from an external source) TB is fine in retrieving it at the next poll (I poll every 1 min). But the problem arises the poll after that I get a duplicate. And every poll after that too. So I opened the dispatcher and noticed that the "receive" box is checked for all the messages. I wonder why. Perhaps turbosport isn't properly setting the message in the IMAP box with a "read" flag. Then each time TB polls, it sees the message is unread and re-retrieves it. I know it's the same message because the Creation: date is the same, but the Received: date is different. Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? It's not in the actual mail headers, where is TB getting that info from? If I set the message so that the "receive" box is unchecked, every poll after that is fine, I get no more duplicates. But I tried sending another message to myself at that address, and the problem re-occurs. So I am pretty sure something/some flag is not being set correctly. Anyway, I was just wondering if this is a correct assesment, that it's turbosport.com's fault, not the Bat!'s. I believe that to be the case since TB works fine with other mail servers, I think. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deletion options with IMAP4
Hi there Betatesters ;) Going back 08:36 04.11.2000. when you uttered the following thoughts: 1) is there a way to apply certain changes to all accounts? As in change the reply template, and so forth, for all of them? In fact, is there a way of selecting more than one account BEFORE applying properties? I hate having to duplicate properties ... I know some are unique so it wouldn't make sense to group-apply, but in many cases it does. I would WHOLEHEARTLY welcome this one, especially for the cookies! Please please please ;) Thanks. Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President. Now I'm beginning to believe it. -- Clarence Darrow -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Manually apply filter to Find Msg results
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello BatListers, Is it possible to manually apply a filter to a find msg result group of msgs. For ex: I mark those msgs I want to reply to with a color group. Then I search for the "answer these" color group. Then I answer them one by one. After that I was thinking of applying a filter that changes the color group sends them to trash. Maybe that's not the right application here. Suggestions please? Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOgQnWJccVS5MnN+dEQISlQCgit8gDCNWSNnvjISl1nOnyHB2fS4AnRwz bY2CLkeDGPYXg0y6YaDRX6TG =rcpM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Manually apply filter to Find Msg results
At 10:12:11 AM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Jan wrote: Is it possible to manually apply a filter to a find msg result group of msgs. For ex: I mark those msgs I want to reply to with a color group. Then I search for the "answer these" color group. Then I answer them one by one. After that I was thinking of applying a filter that changes the color group sends them to trash. Maybe that's not the right application here. Suggestions please? I've been using The Bat! for two days now, so I'm not the best one to pay attention to, but it occurs to me that if you can't apply filters to a find group, you can drag-drop those messages (shift select all of them first) to a folder you make, called "temporary" or whatever. Within that folder you CAN manually apply any filter you want. But this probably occurred to you and you were looking for a better solution... if that's the case, please ignore this. :) -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Manually apply filter to Find Msg results
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kiyan, On Saturday, November 04, 2000 @ 10:16:37 -0500, you wrote the following about "Manually apply filter to Find Msg results" Kiyan At 10:12:11 AM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Jan Kiyan wrote: Kiyan [...] But this probably occurred to you and you were Kiyan looking for a better solution... if that's the case, Kiyan please ignore this. [...] Whether I've thought of this or not has nothing to do with my thanks to you for taking the time to try to help me. - -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D And TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOgQqx5ccVS5MnN+dEQLeQgCdEItNqZQ3QNONOe79wes7URMD42YAn24C 12ZX0Si9XmC2pgIPh3Ig5ud4 =tTkS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
NAV Email Protection, Needed with THEBAT! or not?
Hello TBUDL, Do I still need to use Norton 2001 email protection if I am using thebat!? And if I should continue using it, how does one configure NAV to see thebat!? -- Best regards, canderson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NAV Email Protection, Needed with THEBAT! or not?
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 4:21:33 PM, canderson wrote: c Do I still need to use Norton 2001 email protection if I am using c thebat!? TB! itself is almost immune to the feared mail virii such as the worms. but if you receive infested messages w/ or w/o attachments and save them to your disc and open them afterwards with another application you are busted. so the answer is definately YES. c And if I should continue using it, how does one configure NAV to see c thebat!? Under Account Properties choose "Transport" there you have to change the Mail Server (normally your pop3 server) to "127.0.0.1" without the quotaion marks. Then include your pop3 server address into your user name field. Should look like this: USER: login.name/pop3.server.name You have to do this manually for each account you want to be checked by NAV HTH -- Kari Jakobi To obtain my PGP key send a message to the following address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_pgp_key Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deletion options with IMAP4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:55:00 +0100, Johannes M. Posel wrote these comments about 'Deletion options with IMAP4': JMP I would WHOLEHEARTLY welcome this one, especially for the cookies! JMP Please please please ;) What about the cookies? I have a feeling you may already be able to do what you're referring to. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "It's easier to obtain forgiveness than permission. " _ TB! v1.48 Beta/2 (S/N CCA4F9B8) «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for sender verification. iQA/AwUBOgRIQPAXeSHuB5k3EQKmywCffX7vaQiKOKmBJk9424eUG84lZewAoNNE Qw5JFsAnyasybo5VivfDI3s8 =m3LC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Deletion options with IMAP4
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:55:00 AM, Johannes wrote: 1) is there a way to apply certain changes to all accounts? As in change the reply template, and so forth, for all of them? In fact, is there a way of selecting more than one account BEFORE applying properties? I would like to have this as well. I would WHOLEHEARTLY welcome this one, especially for the cookies! Please please please ;) For cookies? I think you may set up cookies in text files and use them in whichever account you like, isn't it? (I don't use cookies, though, so maybe I'm missing something.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:42:06 AM, Kiyan wrote: Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? It's not in the actual mail headers, where is TB getting that info from? It's the time TB downloads the message from your server. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: messages tied to accounts: Bug or feature?
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 7:48:57 AM, Kiyan wrote: So I expect the filtering engine, when it applied the action "delete from server", tries to delete the message it matches from the server defined for the account which contains the folder that the rule is active in. TB's filters are account specific, so the "delete from server" action can be applied to only the server of that account where a filter belong. As it is, TB doesn't allow us to easily manage mail across accounts. It can be done, but often laborious. I can think of no easy solution to your problem. You may set up a filter to move the messages and delete from server at the same time, or you may use the hotkey trick I mentioned in another message to delete messages from the server before filing them into folders in another account. In short, if a group of messages can be well-defined by rules (mailing list mail and such), you may use the same filter to sort them into folder and delete from sever at the same time. For messages you need to sort manually by drag and drop (or with keyboard, of course), delete the messages you want to move from the server first with a hotkey after selecting them, then move. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Suddenly I can't delete messages?
I did import some messages from Netscape yesterday. I wonder if this caused the problem. I can not delete any messages. My inbox is filling up with my mail list errors and nothing I can do about it. Filters don't work and 'bloop' sound with each incoming message. Maybe I'll have to delete this entire account and start a new one? Bill Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saturday, November 04, 2000, 11:16:55 AM, you wrote: ML On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 10:10:28 AM, Bill wrote: Suddenly this morning, I can't delete any messages? What happened? And my filters don't work. When the messages come in, there is a loud "bloop" sound now? I re-started the computer and no change. What is going on here? Can anyone offer any suggestions? My other 3 accounts are working fine. Its just one of my 4 accounts that went haywire. Thanks very much for any suggestions. ML What did you do to that account? Restored it from backup? Moved it ML to anther location? Or...? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Windows 2000 The Bat
Hi there!
P It's The Bat compatibly with Windows 2000?
You bet! It's worked fine here for a while now on my Win2K system. :)
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Folder Transfer Between Accounts?
I have a LOT of email accounts, and I'm trying to concentrate them all at my new domain. (ego trip, ego trip). When you drag-n-drop folders between accounts in The Bat!, the folder remains attached to the account forever, as far as I can tell. I can change the "identity" settings in the properties, but the default account for message creation stays with the old account. Is there any way to change this? Recreating all these folders and then moving the messages by hand is a pain some times. Thanks, Tony -- Tony A.T. Mendina "I fix bugs. Microsoft has guaranteed me a job forever!" Do you want to know more? http://www.mendina.com (coming soon!) Interested in privacy? mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Get_Keys" -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Suddenly I can't delete messages..FIXED
Hello All, I have deleted the entire account and opened up a new one. Problem solved. Thank you. Saturday, November 04, 2000, 11:58:50 AM, you wrote: BF I did import some messages from Netscape yesterday. I wonder if this BF caused the problem. I can not delete any messages. My inbox is filling BF up with my mail list errors and nothing I can do about it. Filters BF don't work and 'bloop' sound with each incoming message. BF Maybe I'll have to delete this entire account and start a new one? BF Bill Fuller BF [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF Saturday, November 04, 2000, 11:16:55 AM, you wrote: ML On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 10:10:28 AM, Bill wrote: Suddenly this morning, I can't delete any messages? What happened? And my filters don't work. When the messages come in, there is a loud "bloop" sound now? I re-started the computer and no change. What is going on here? Can anyone offer any suggestions? My other 3 accounts are working fine. Its just one of my 4 accounts that went haywire. Thanks very much for any suggestions. ML What did you do to that account? Restored it from backup? Moved it ML to anther location? Or...? -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Suddenly I can't delete messages..FIX
I deleted the entire account and opened up a new one. Problem solved. Thanks very much, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saturday, November 04, 2000, 11:58:50 AM, you wrote: BF I did import some messages from Netscape yesterday. I wonder if this BF caused the problem. I can not delete any messages. My inbox is filling BF up with my mail list errors and nothing I can do about it. Filters BF don't work and 'bloop' sound with each incoming message. BF Maybe I'll have to delete this entire account and start a new one? BF Bill Fuller BF [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF Saturday, November 04, 2000, 11:16:55 AM, you wrote: ML On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 10:10:28 AM, Bill wrote: Suddenly this morning, I can't delete any messages? What happened? And my filters don't work. When the messages come in, there is a loud "bloop" sound now? I re-started the computer and no change. What is going on here? Can anyone offer any suggestions? My other 3 accounts are working fine. Its just one of my 4 accounts that went haywire. Thanks very much for any suggestions. ML What did you do to that account? Restored it from backup? Moved it ML to anther location? Or...? -- Best regards, Billmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Folder Transfer Between Accounts?
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 12:32:50 PM, Tony wrote: When you drag-n-drop folders between accounts in The Bat!, the folder remains attached to the account forever, as far as I can tell. I can change the "identity" settings in the properties, but the default account for message creation stays with the old account. Not sure I follow you. You mean after moving a folder to another account, you tried to create a new message from that folder, and found the new message is showing your old identity from the old account. Is that it? Does the folder have its own templates? Or is there a template associated with the intended recipient? I just tried to moved a folder across account. The folder has no folder template, and sure enough, I get a new "From" line when I tried to create a new message there. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Norton Anti-Virus
In response to your message received on Sun, 05 Nov 2000 03:34:22 +0700 Under Account Properties choose "Transport" there you have to change the Mail Server (normally your pop3 server) to "127.0.0.1" without the quotaion marks. Then include your pop3 Does this hold true for earlier versions of NAV? I have 2000. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
At 12:31:36 PM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:42:06 AM, Kiyan wrote: Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? It's not in the actual mail headers, where is TB getting that info from? It's the time TB downloads the message from your server. I realize that, but what I meant was where is it keeping the information? In the mailbox database file? Because if it isn't in the headers and the logfiles, I was wondering where it would be. Strange that TheBat should list something in a message-list column that isn't actually in the headers. Then again neither is file size. Do any of you use BOTH the Created and the Received field? I find them to be a bit redundant, except in debugging mail paths, but then I always use headers anyway, I don't care what time TB downloaded the message, I just care what time the message was created by the sender and what time my inbound-SMTP server received it to pass it off to my IMAP box. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
At 1:00:28 PM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: ML On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:24:12 AM, Kiyan wrote: [...] 1) All the mail I want to keep, but delete from the server, is already sorted into local folders. Usually, it's list mail, ML If you set up filters (either Incoming or Read messages filters ML would do) to sort this kind of mail into local folders, you may set ML the same filters to delete it from the server. This way you don't ML need the Read messages filters as you described. Ok, that is entirely true, and is a decent solution, and I did think of it too. But it wasn't appropriate... I want mail from certain people from whom I get lots of it, to go to specific folders, however I do not want to delete them from the server because I may not have time to read it, I may just glance that I have new mail but have to run off to school or something. From there I want to be abne to read it so I need to keep it on the server. or messages with multiple recipients (the poor-man's mailing list). ML Since you may need to sort this kind of mail manually (unless you ML can define some rules to distinguish it from others), the Read ML message filters would be more appropriate. True, true. And I often get this sort of stuff too. And for this stuff sometimes I don't mind having it delete from server once the messages are marked as read. 4) I set the Source folder to be the folder containing the messages I want deleted from the server, and the Destination folder to be THE SAME FOLDER. That way the messages don't get moved, but under Actions I check "delete the message from the server." I have it set as active, and manual (but perhaps if it wasn't manual it would work automatically when a message is filed in that folder, after/if it was read... can anyone confirm?). ML After it's read, and, of course, after it's no longer being viewed. Ok, this is strange to me. I tried this a couple of times, and sure enough, eventually the messages got deleted. But once it didn't work and I had to apply the filter manually with re-filter. I may have done something wrong though. Also when it's set to be automatic, the strange thing is once the messages are read and no longer viewed, it doesn't delete them from the server after the NEXT poll, it takes a few for it to sink in. Any idea why? ML There's another trick: you may set up a Read messages filter to ML delete matched messages from server, and assign to it a hotkey from Yes, this is a pretty good idea. But I didn't think I could use it because I thought you would have to have a different hotkey for messages in every storage folder, which is ridiculous. Or you'd have to always pre-edit the rule to apply to the right folder before applying it. But you seem to introduce another possibility, as follows... ML the Options pane. Make sure the "Check the selected message against ML this rule" option under the hotkey field is NOT checked. If the ML option is checked, the messages would be moved to the destination ML folder as prescribed in the Rule pane, then the filter can't be used ML across folders. With that option cleared, the designated actions of Wait, so are you saying this COULD be used across folders? I don't exactly understand... because this is a reply to my first message to the list about this (and not my second, in which I described the problems with moving messages from one account's folders to another accounts, then not being able to use filter rules in the new account to delete from the original account... you seemed to say mixing up accounts is not really possible in TB as of now). Oh, ok, I think I get it. You mean across folders, not accounts. I think I get you. So you're saying that checkbox, if unselected, means that the "action items" become folder-unspecific, right? That's useful. But wait, does that mean that it ignores the string/contains information and regexp stuff too? Because if the selected message (or messages) are not checked against the rule, what is the hotkey for, just to perform the actions? I'm confused... if I select a bunch of messages, and put say a String search for @echelon.ca in the Sender field (say to distinguish mail I got from my girlfriend's POP account as opposed to webmail), but uncheck that box you refer to, won't the DELETE action apply to every single message I have selected regardless of the string matching? Or does the check box only have to do with the source and destination folders? Please elaborate. ML the filter would be applied to all the messages you select, no ML questions asked. Ok, maybe I jumped the gun... maybe this *was* your elaboration. ML Hereafter you may delete any message from server with the hotkey ML after selecting it first. You may select multiple messages, and it ML works in the "Find result" virtual folder (the one showing the ML search result). It does? If so, isn't that a way to get around the moving-mail-across-accounts problem? Or maybe not... I guess mail
Re: Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
Hello Kiyan, On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 at 21:32:24 GMT -0500 (which was 6:32 PM where I live) witnesses say Kiyan Azarbar typed: Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? snip where is it keeping the information? I believe it's in the message index file (messages.tbi) Do any of you use BOTH the Created and the Received field? I sort on Received and view Created. It tends to work better than just sorting on Created time since it is easier to make sure you computer's clock is always on the correct time. I don't even notice it when others send messages from a year in the future or past any more. I don't care what time TB downloaded the message, I just care what time the message was created by the sender and what time my inbound-SMTP server received it to pass it off to my IMAP box. You can customize your column settings by right clicking on the columns in the message list pane. If you don't use the received column, then simply remove it from view. I guess I should mention that you can have multiple folders in one account using the same column layout. Unfortunately there is only one such layout allowed per account. The setting is under the folder properties, "Use Account default column settings." -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 6:53:33 PM, Kiyan wrote: Ok, this is strange to me. I tried this a couple of times, and sure enough, eventually the messages got deleted. But once it didn't work and I had to apply the filter manually with re-filter. I may have done something wrong though. Also when it's set to be automatic, the strange thing is once the messages are read and no longer viewed, it doesn't delete them from the server after the NEXT poll, it takes a few for it to sink in. Any idea why? Just tried it a couple of times, and it does work with my main POP3 account. I don't have IMAP4 account to test with. According to other list members' experiences, TB's IMAP4 support seems to be spotty, but I can't comment on that. Oh, ok, I think I get it. You mean across folders, not accounts. I think I get you. So you're saying that checkbox, if unselected, means that the "action items" become folder-unspecific, right? Right. That's useful. But wait, does that mean that it ignores the string/contains information and regexp stuff too? Yup! Because if the selected message (or messages) are not checked against the rule, what is the hotkey for, just to perform the actions? Right again. I'm confused... if I select a bunch of messages, and put say a String search for @echelon.ca in the Sender field (say to distinguish mail I got from my girlfriend's POP account as opposed to webmail), but uncheck that box you refer to, won't the DELETE action apply to every single message I have selected regardless of the string matching? Right. ML the filter would be applied to all the messages you select, no ML questions asked. Ok, maybe I jumped the gun... maybe this *was* your elaboration. Yup. I really just wish that TB! kept information about WHICH account a message came from... like in Calypso. It wouldn't have to use it zealously in its UI ideology, but it should at least know. Don't you agree? Well, I guess it wouldn't hurt, but personally I don't have much use of it. ML IOW, when a filter is assigned a hotkey and the "check against ML rule" option is cleared, it acts as a "keyboard macro" that ML allows you to do several things in one pass to selected ML messages. What several things? Only the things you can select in the actions tab? Of course. It's useful should you often need to, e.g., color code a message, park it, delete it from the server, and add its sender to the AB at the same time. I tried to define the reply template under the folder that I sort list mail into. Although I can customize everything there, there are no radio buttons, so I can put in %Quote but can't say what type of quotes to use. Check out a macro called %QUOTESTYLE in the help file. Also, it occurs to me that I don't understand the inheritance hierarchy for folder-specific templates. If I change my reply template for the ACCOUNT, then it seems when I go to define folderspecific templates those changes are reflected. Which is really weird, what if I had customized a folder reply template heavily, but later made a change in the account default reply template, would it overwrite the folder one? It shouldn't. The template hierarchy is AB templates folder templates account templates and changing lower-priority templates shouldn't affect higher priority ones if the latter have been manually tweaked. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Turbosport/The Bat! 1.47 problem?
On Saturday, November 04, 2000, 8:00:26 PM, Januk wrote: Speaking of which, where does that Received: field come from (in the message list window)? snip where is it keeping the information? I believe it's in the message index file (messages.tbi) No, I think it's in the message base (.tbb) itself. Proof? Trying deleting the .tbi and let TB re-create it, and you'll see the original received time is still there. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Found a kludge to selectively delete messages from IMAP server
At 11:13:29 PM on Saturday, November 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote: ML Just tried it a couple of times, and it does work with my main POP3 ML account. I don't have IMAP4 account to test with. According to other ML list members' experiences, TB's IMAP4 support seems to be spotty, ML but I can't comment on that. I take your word for it. I'll try it again to be sure, and post my results if they are weird, or won't if it works. :) ML Of course. It's useful should you often need to, e.g., color code a ML message, park it, delete it from the server, and add its sender to ML the AB at the same time. Ok, this makes sense. I will try to find a use for it. Do a lot of people use color-coding in TB? It seemed frivolous to me but I've always used console-based clients as my main client. I tried to define the reply template under the folder that I sort list mail into. Although I can customize everything there, there are no radio buttons, so I can put in %Quote but can't say what type of quotes to use. ML Check out a macro called %QUOTESTYLE in the help file. Ahah. Ok, I'll look it up. But isn't it weird that there should be no radio buttons for it? Or isn't it weird that quotestyle is not defined in the account templates explicitly, replaced instead by those radio buttons? hierarchy for folder-specific templates. If I change my reply template for the ACCOUNT, then it seems when I go to define folderspecific templates those changes are reflected. Which is really weird, what if I had customized a folder reply template heavily, but later made a change in the account default reply template, would it overwrite the folder one? ML It shouldn't. The template hierarchy is AB templates folder templates account templates I see. This is absolutely sensible, and quite good design behaviour. I should have tested it further before opening my big mouth. Thanks. -- Kiyan Azarbar M.A. Linguistics, University of Ottawa -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
