Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
Hello Melissa! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 4:43:32 AM you wrote: > What is happening with TB!'s internal HTML viewer here? Sounds like another glitch in it. Have you tried to ask (and post the message in question) on TBBETA? It may be of help since RITLabs reads TBBETA and - to my experience - is eager to fix the HTML viewer. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love is the answer ... (John Lennon) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Hello Nick! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:16:52 AM you wrote: > That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the > SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry > RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). The calculator has been put to good use within templates (I've seen at least one case in point by Peter Palmreuther). The "Evaluate" menu item is merely a by-product of the new %CALC macro. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Dankbarkeit ist eine Pflicht, die erfüllt werden sollte, die aber zu erwarten keiner das Recht hat. (Jean-Jacques Rousseau) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
Hi, Melissa Reese wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : > What is happening with TB!'s internal HTML viewer here? My guess it is interpreting a font size tag differently than your browser. Examine the HTML source and look for FONT related tags. I think no screenshot is necessary, rather give an excerpt of the found tags. Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.60 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wrapping
Hallo, is it possible to write unwrapped text that is displayed as wrapped text in the editor? Furthermore, where is the switch to have quotes wrapped automatically? Thanks, Daniel Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
Hello Markus, 26. marec 2002, 10:02:58, you wrote: MG> My guess it is interpreting a font size tag differently than your browser. MG> Examine the HTML source and look for FONT related tags. I think no MG> screenshot is necessary, rather give an excerpt of the found tags. The Bat displays fonts like this some text too large. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.60 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to stick in his mouth. -- Trischmann's Paradox (Axiom of the Pipe) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Address book as stand alone?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 14:53:44 +1200 [ Tue, 26 Mar 2002], Peter Ballantyne [PB] thoughtfully wrote the following: ... PB> Is there any way the address book can be opened independantly of The PB> Bat! Not that I know of. - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60 (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjygSiMACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IhWwCffMTNeBjh5Q+yZY0YQj5hdYeO sysAoNjEahno0MSjE1oPv4ikQwf03T0b =XAyV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 4:58:16 PM, Dierk wrote: DH> Hello Nick! DH> On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:16:52 AM you wrote: >> That pretty much sums up my view on it as well, and you can add the >> SmartBat memo pad 'thingy' and calculator to that list as well. Sorry >> RITLabs but there are much more important enhancements needed. DH> The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience DH> with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to DH> beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) I would think that the concept of simply filtering to different folders based on the idea of grouping content is much more intuitive than the idea of dividing mail into that which is matched against your address book, and that which isn't. And as for beginners, I would suggest they are *highly* unlikely to start with TB. They start with what comes on their pre-installed OS, and they gradually start looking around for alternatives as they learn more about what can be done and what they'd like to do that OE can't do. By the time they ever discover TB, my guess is they already know a lot about filtering. And *anyone* who uses an e-mail client, even for the first time, is going to have a pretty good intuitive feel for what an Inbox is for -- what it does and what they can expect to find in it. However, TB now presents that theoretical new user with two of them. You tell me which is the less confusing alternative to a raw computer rookie. :) DH> The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including DH> filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). Easier than copy to the clipboard and paste where you want it? I admit to not having explored this feature almost at all, but from the description above it sounds like . . . the clipboard. And I already have one with the OS that works perfectly. DH> The calculator has been put to good use within templates (I've seen at DH> least one case in point by Peter Palmreuther). The "Evaluate" menu DH> item is merely a by-product of the new %CALC macro. I'm sure *ALL* of this stuff can be used. :)) None of it is totally worthless, except maybe the Inbox - Known (ducking and running). :)) But *where* do you draw the line? There is nothing on my box, with about 20 gigs of programs, that I consider worthless. So let's include *all* of it in TB. In fact, let's turn TB into an operating system, and be done with it. And since I'm going to e-mail that digital film clip to my father after I edit it, why can't I edit it right inside the same program that is going to mail it? I have simply two points: 1) There is probably some place where a line should be drawn, beyond which "features" tend to clutter and distract more than they add utility. (And I would say that features that put buttons where they interfere even slightly with automatic user program interaction probably are close to if not over that line.) 2) When there are *basic* issues outstanding, any attention to features that might fall into the category above is energy that could better be spent elsewhere -- and *especially* if there is even the remotest chance that adding one of these features is going to compromise overall stability in any way. But, hey, I realize this argument means nothing anyway, because the Inbox - Known is highly unlikely to ever disappear, I'm quite sure. I just hope basic things like the ability to communicate in all the world's *major* languages might get taken care of before anymore cutesy stuff gets tacked on. I doubt if the Inbox - Known feature will sell *one* additional copy of the program. And I seriously mean that, because it's an idea so incredibly unique that virtually no one knows they have a need for it. :)) Handling character sets that are used by about 1/4 of the planet's population might do a heck of a lot more for RIT's bottom line, perhaps. I mean, hey, I have an Inbox - Known, but I have to use Outlook to communicate with half of my address book. Life just doesn't get any better. :) Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:26:31 +0100, Daniel Maier [DM] graced us with these comments: ... DM> is it possible to write unwrapped text that is displayed as wrapped DM> text in the editor? No. TB!'s editor doesn't support soft wrapping. The formatting you see is the formatting the recipient will get. DM> Furthermore, where is the switch to have quotes wrapped DM> automatically? 'Edit/Paste formatted' or Shift+Ctrl+Ins Note that if you're pasting multiple text blocks separated by blank lines, only the first block will be wrapped; a limitation which I hope will be fixed. - -- Allie C Martin List Moderator and fellow end user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ TB! v1.60 & Windows XP 5.1.2600 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjygS6UACgkQV8nrYCsHF+Le+ACg2H3txAp4OaDOv2d8crrkaUmw mxkAn0BhOsYXvy6oyv04Yr4c7iedis5F =GFKj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:05:33 +0900, Yuki Taga [YT] wrote these comments: ... DH>> The SmartBat is useful for transferring text of any kind (including DH>> filters) between accounts, messages, even programmes). YT> Easier than copy to the clipboard and paste where you want it? I YT> admit to not having explored this feature almost at all, but from YT> the description above it sounds like . . . the clipboard. And I YT> already have one with the OS that works perfectly. I wonder if you're being deliberately difficult with this one? You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. Now some may argue that the users favourite text editor could accomplish most of this and I tend to agree though my heart goes to the SmartBat since it uses the TB! text formatting features, and your clips are automatically stored by dates. Not to mention that it appears *instantly* when you hit F6. :-) - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60 (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjygUiQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IaowCg5d4jc6hq09XLefDI/OaszOrk pXoAnjzzm4nFbZr6wALazJX1nEISBQ0P =No6J -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manipulating groups
Hi list, Is there a way to create a subgroup in an existing group ? -- Best regards, Luc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by The Bat! version 1.60 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 "When you argue with a fool, chances are he is doing just the same." Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 11:20:58 + [ Tue, 26 Mar 2002], Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... MDP> That's not quite right. Paste formatted will re-wrap everything MDP> being pasted. It is the %wrapped="%quotes" macro combo that only MDP> wraps the first paragraph. Thanks for the correction. I wonder why they implemented multi-paragraph reflowing in one and not the other? - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60 (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjygXbwACgkQV8nrYCsHF+L2mgCg4bqkLasSQ8/gwiSgl1Ntnniu SXcAoKaWjHSywVnrhzkqA3pARvILfIaB =nAaP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, @26 March 2002, 05:21:24 -0500 (10:21 UK time) Allie C Martin wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DM>> Furthermore, where is the switch to have quotes wrapped DM>> automatically? > 'Edit/Paste formatted' or Shift+Ctrl+Ins > Note that if you're pasting multiple text blocks separated by blank > lines, only the first block will be wrapped; a limitation which I > hope will be fixed. That's not quite right. Paste formatted will re-wrap everything being pasted. It is the %wrapped="%quotes" macro combo that only wraps the first paragraph. Carsten Thönges developed some nice recursive macro sets on TBTECH to do auto-wrapped quotes. Trouble is, they wrap formatted lists too. I stopped using them after a while because of that and also because it's good discipline to go through and manually re-wrap each block. That way, I get to delete non-pertinent sections - a _must_ to avoid over-quoting. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator · TB! v1.60-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8oFmdOeQkq5KdzaARAmgFAKCaxN3kyg8IsAnmiTpcy9Q5Or1EaACgl0eZ YadrPU+e1sWgBD8hMKvGV0s= =Wief -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, @26 March 2002, 06:38:35 -0500 (11:38 UK time) Allie C Martin wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Thanks for the correction. I wonder why they implemented > multi-paragraph reflowing in one and not the other? Because WRAPPED is a single paragraph macro function that doesn't quote text and QUOTES is a multi-paragraph quoting function that doesn't wrap text . - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator · TB! v1.60-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8oGMIOeQkq5KdzaARAgReAJ9uF310fWM04ARHFqSffOUJ4fCowACdFRFY pKyOC3hm1jKv/09L+HkpH2A= =yaEv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 1:58:16 AM, Dierk scribbled: DH> The Inbox - Known can be of help if one does not have much experience DH> with filtering. It is therefore a good (and very small) addition to DH> beginners. (Note: I haven't used it, yet.) I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. This non-choice kind of option just makes programs larger, not more useful. I've killed off the Known box mainly because I use filtering at the server to route "unknown" mail to another account. I get that one once a day, leaving the "known" mail for an account I read often, sometimes using a wireless device. Mike Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wrapping
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In a message dated, Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:01:09 +, Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] wrote: ... MDP> Because WRAPPED is a single paragraph macro function that doesn't MDP> quote text and QUOTES is a multi-paragraph quoting function that MDP> doesn't wrap text . Hmmm. I can't accept that one. :-) - -- Allie C Martin -- List Moderator PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [MUA: TB! v1.60 (*) OS: Windows XP 5.1.2600] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjygZZQACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IV7wCfdup0SPGRZtqgpuVV61rZasWb +GsAoJ4OxI9ZKL3348TzTAaMXJoZ1OL6 =Ty5l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Hi Allie, Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 7:49:08 PM, Allie wrote: YT>> the clipboard. And I already have one with the OS that works YT>> perfectly. ACM> I wonder if you're being deliberately difficult with this one? Not really, but I did admit that I haven't really explored this one at all. :)) ACM> You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and ACM> manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. I'm not surprised there is more to it than that. The developers aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for probably the Inbox - Known and the Menu Navigator. (ducking and running again) (^_-) But, it does strike me as an extreme power user kind of thing. I'm sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. But I think you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will never do more than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in somewhat befuddled silence, then close it again forever. :) I really think the next thing RIT should focus on -- *other* than FULL DBCS support, of course -- (^_-) is getting the Help files written, and I mean fully and properly written, so that people other than old-hand beta testers know how to use this stuff. You know, when I type 'smart' or 'SmartBat' into TB's Help/Index tab, I get a big fat nada, as in zip, void, nothing. And when I open SmartBat, I hardly get anything very intuitive, or suggestive of what I might actually *do* with the thing. I do get a date, which I already know, and I do get a time display, which duplicates the one down in the lower right hand corner of my screen. :)) The presence of a calendar made me think perhaps some kind of an alarm program had been incorporated into TB. As for the menu searcher thingy: a nice graphic layout of the menu tree on a single page in the Help file, with each menu item hot-linked to a complete explanation of that item, might obviate the need for it altogether. 'Menu Navigator' also comes up shooting blanks in Help. The time not spent on the Help files is a terrible, terrible shame. Want to impress people, as in potential new customers? Get the Help file done in a professional manner, a manner worthy of the program itself, and keep it up to date. No release is ever justified without a completed and up to date Help file, IMHO. I think the kind of people who gravitate toward a program like TB are the kind of people who like to use resources like Help files to figure a lot of stuff out by themselves. I almost never started using TB because of the rather sketchy condition of the Help file. The quality of the English alone tipped me to the fact that the company was probably extremely small, maybe even to the point of not being well funded enough to continue development over the long haul. Now maybe that judgment is all wet. Maybe RIT has hundreds of employees and a fat budget. But I got exactly the opposite impression from the Help file. It was only the obvious quality of the program itself that ended up hooking me, but I almost didn't get that far. And I'm still on my guard about the longevity issue, particularly as I see things not getting done that I would rate as essential, at the expense of what I consider a bit of fluff. All of this in the spirit of egging on RIT to make this the best it can be. Nothing else; nothing less. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manipulating groups
Hello Luc, On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:39:25 +0100GMT (26-3-2002, 12:39 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: L> Is there a way to create a subgroup in an existing group ? No, but you can create another group, that shares some entries with an existing group. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is SmartBAT ?
Hello Alexander At 12:41 AM on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 you wrote the following about [What is SmartBAT ?]: Alexander> What is SmartBAT ? Its a notepad w search function. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for"Inbox - Known")
Hello Nick. At 7:16 PM on Monday, March 25, 2002 you wrote the following about ["Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")]: Nick> [...] there are much more important enhancements Nick> needed. [/...] What enhancements are @ the top of your list? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 11:58:08 AM, Michael Disabato wrote: > I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. This non-choice > kind of option just makes programs larger, not more useful. I've > killed off the Known box mainly because I use filtering at the server > to route "unknown" mail to another account. I get that one once a day, > leaving the "known" mail for an account I read often, sometimes using > a wireless device. --- >From my experience, you have the choice whether to retain this folder. I've deleted "Inbox - Known" from my copy of TB! 1.60. To do this, I ensured that the "Known" filter was inactive, then right-clicked Inbox-Known, then clicked Delete Folder. HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.60 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Press any button to continue, any other button to quit Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known"
Hello Roberto. At 2:42 PM on Monday, March 25, 2002 you wrote the following about [Changing properties for "Inbox - Known"]: Roberto> I think that the "Inbox - Known" is a good idea, Roberto> but I would rather have the known e-mails go to my Roberto> "Inbox" and unknown e-mails go to "Inbox - Roberto> Unknown", I believe you can do this. Filter all incoming msgs to your Inbox if the sender is in your AB [look under Advanced tab in filters]. You can also create a 2nd folder [try a common folder] name it Inbox-Unknown & filter all msgs to it that are from senders who are *not* in your AB [look under Advanced tab in filters]. From there, if you want, you can create some gen'l spam filters to move selected msgs to your trash bin. I believe you can delete the $KNOWN$ folder if you don't like it, find it confusing or think its a distraction. IMO, the $KNOWN$ folder is just another option provided by the RIT Lab folks. Some find it useful, some don't. The choice belongs to the user: we can use it or not as with most options in this or any program. Personally I find these threads that complain about this option or that option -- frequently written by recent TB! users, some who haven't even tried the options -- to be overblown, redundant, & a waste of bandwidth. But, hey, this is a TB users list so everyone is entitled to say what they please as long as we all stay on topic & abide by generally accepted rules of netiquette. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Winamp Cookie
Hello Richard, On Monday, March 25, 2002 at 22:44:15 +, Richard Evans [RE] wrote concerning 'Winamp Cookie': ... RE> I've noticed that some of you have a "Winamp currently playing RE> **" Cookie in your signature RE> How do you do that ? There is a plug-in for Winamp that puts the currently playing song in a text file. In TB! you can put that text file in a message by adding the %PUT macro in your template. -- Best regards, David ** You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. ** [TB! 1.60] [Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Hello Yuki! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 1:27:11 PM you wrote: > But, it does strike me as an extreme power user kind of thing. I'm > sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. But I think > you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will never do more > than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in somewhat befuddled > silence, then close it again forever. :) Now it really becomes funny - the kind of Wayans Brothers' movie fun. Nick tells us TB! is not for beginners. You tell us certain aspects are only for power users. I hope, I am not the only one rolling on the floor. ;-) All in all, I am with you on the other aspects you mention. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Jede Änderung des Sinnes muß davon ausgehen, daß die neue Ansicht die richtige und gute sei, nicht davon, daß sie Annehmlichkeiten und äußere Vorteile schafft. (Marc Aurel) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Hello Michael! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:58:08 PM you wrote: > I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. I seem to be the only one never having trouble deleting it. I tested it some time back during beta (when it was introduced), decided I won't need it at the moment and just deleted it. the filter is de-activated and that's it. Never again saw the folder. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. (George Bernard Shaw) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
As did I. No problem deleting it at all. Then when I finally figured out that it was a much better way to filter spam than the stuff I had I recreated the folder and then found out I could name it whatever I wanted and did so. Just have to edit the known filter to use the new folder name. Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 9:47:22 AM, you wrote: DH> On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 12:58:08 PM you wrote: >> I agree, but it would be nice to be able to delete it. DH> I seem to be the only one never having trouble deleting it. I tested DH> it some time back during beta (when it was introduced), decided I DH> won't need it at the moment and just deleted it. the filter is DH> de-activated and that's it. Never again saw the folder. -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
Hello Melissa Reese, On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:43:32 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 10:43:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Melissa Reese wrote: > Hello, > I posted a message about this yesterday, but the thread was quickly > taken over by a tangential subject. I'd like to revisit this now... >From what I remember reading the whole thread it is related to the same problem. Somone reported massive fonts. As in MY own case I switched back to not proporational fonts in HTML and problem is gone... > I receive daily weather forecasts, and they arrive as both plain text > and HTML. Sometimes, I want to see the HTML display of the message, so > I usually use the tabbed interface (TB! internal viewer). Since > switching to TB! v1.60, the HTML portion of the message is displayed > with a *massive* font. Let me know if I can send an attached image to > the TBOT list, and I'll be happy to send a screen shot. > With the same message, if I just open it into a browser (clicking on > the attached HTML icon), it displays at "normal" size. > What is happening with TB!'s internal HTML viewer here? Its messed up. I donot mind who blames the servers. Servers arent fixed by users. If lousy OE can read html, the bat should. I still think its a programming bug or not programming around known bugs. It shouldnt be a user problem. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
Hello Jernej Simončič, On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:20:50 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 4:20:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jernej Simončič wrote: > Hello Markus, > 26. marec 2002, 10:02:58, you wrote: MG>> My guess it is interpreting a font size tag differently than your browser. MG>> Examine the HTML source and look for FONT related tags. I think no MG>> screenshot is necessary, rather give an excerpt of the found tags. > The Bat displays fonts like this some text too > large. Great, a BUG, can someone report it please? -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
Hello Dierk Haasis, On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 08:42:16 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 2:42:16 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Dierk Haasis wrote: > Hello Melissa! > On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 4:43:32 AM you wrote: >> What is happening with TB!'s internal HTML viewer here? > Sounds like another glitch in it. Have you tried to ask (and post the > message in question) on TBBETA? It may be of help since RITLabs reads > TBBETA and - to my experience - is eager to fix the HTML viewer. I reported my problem on the beta and never had a response. Thats why I checked on this list which I receive as well but not always read. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Manipulating groups
RO> Hello Luc, RO> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:39:25 +0100GMT (26-3-2002, 12:39 +0100GMT, RO> where I live), you wrote: L>> Is there a way to create a subgroup in an existing group ? RO> No, but you can create another group, that shares some entries with an RO> existing group. That's one way to do, but it is rather cumbersome because one can not make a search over more than one group. Anybody found a work around? -- Jean-Baptiste Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: Manipulating groups
I'm not sure if your objectives are the same as mine were, but the workaround I am using is to create a separate address book and have the various groups under that. Searches and new group configurations all take place on the "parent." -- JN Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine wrote on Tuesday, March 26, 2002: RO>> Hello Luc, RO>> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:39:25 +0100GMT (26-3-2002, 12:39 +0100GMT, RO>> where I live), you wrote: L>>> Is there a way to create a subgroup in an existing group ? RO>> No, but you can create another group, that shares some entries with an RO>> existing group. > That's one way to do, but it is rather cumbersome because one can not > make a search over more than one group. Anybody found a work around? Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Peculiar HTML display II (the sequel)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, at 8:01:52 AM PST, tracer wrote: > Great, a BUG, can someone report it please? I tried, but my message was returned, saying: > - The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors - > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >- Transcript of session follows - > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Deferred: mail.ritlabs.com.: No route to > host Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9&Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8oKpUjVbXUvsE8ukRAqGFAJ9YZnMPmo3wgv+WQxsgAlTGzEBMiQCfSjy4 EnWtry/8sDyacoJgXhMYBMs= =xTK1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[4]: Manipulating groups
JN> I'm not sure if your objectives are the same as mine were, but the JN> workaround I am using is to create a separate address book and have JN> the various groups under that. Searches and new group configurations JN> all take place on the "parent." Hi, Your are right. Your post made me realised that if you search through the 'search address windows' (F7), it searches over all groups under the root. It is not the case if you search using the 'Serach Toolbar' of the address book. Why is there such a different behaviour? -- Jean-Baptiste Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clarification requested on list reply headers
Hello tbudl, I have noticed a change in behavior since moving to 1.60 from 1.53 This affects replying to lists in absence of Reply-to headers. Munging Reply-to headers is considered bad practice: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Which is summarized as "Some administrators justify Reply-To munging by saying, ``All responses should go directly to the list anyway.'' This is arrogant. You should allow me to decide exactly how I wish to respond to a message. If I feel a public response is justified, I'll hit the ``g'' key and tell Elm to do a group-reply. If I believe a private response is more appropriate, I'll use ``r'' to send one. Please allow me the freedom to decide how to handle a message." The lists I have been using follow this advice and leave From and To and Cc alone. They add a Sender header to indicate the agent that sent the message. I can provide sample headers if that will help. In 1.53, reply replied to the person on the From field, and reply to all replied to the From and Cc fields. In 1.60, reply still works the same and reply to all replies to From, Cc *and Sender* fields. This has resulted in my sending a number of mails to a list admin address, because the Sender field gets copied on my reply to all. Is this change intentional? is there a way to configure The Bat! to not do that? Or do I have to manually delete the admin address on each mail? -- Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting (was: Manipulating groups)
Hello Joseph! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 5:45:20 PM you wrote: >-- >JN > Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine wrote on Tuesday, March 26, 2002: At the moment I use the RTV as my standard viewer. One of the things I like, is to have signatures in light grey, thus rendering them unobtrusive. The downside comes with your quoting style: below the sig delimiter. I don't want to start one of those futile discussions on how to quote "correctly" (above or below ...). Just a sidenote ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Das Vergleichen mit anderen ist das Ende des Glücks und der Anfang der Unzufriedenheit. (Sören Kierkegaard) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
View new messages in thread mode
Hallo, is there a switch to have a thread unfolded when new messages of a lower level of the thread arrive so that one sees the new messages immediately? Daniel Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quoting
Dierk Haasis wrote on Tuesday, March 26, 2002: > At the moment I use the RTV as my standard viewer. One of the things I > like, is to have signatures in light grey, thus rendering them > unobtrusive. > The downside comes with your quoting style: below the sig delimiter. I > don't want to start one of those futile discussions on how to quote > "correctly" (above or below ...). Just a sidenote ... Dierk, the problem is that some mailing lists put a sig delimiter above their footer information and some do not. For those that do, the normal email quoting style (top quoting, as opposed to the bottom quoting of the Usenet, or the much more helpful interlinear quoting which I use only as needed) works fine; for those that don't, like this list, it doesn't work as well and the whole segment under my sig is grayed-out. I haven't wanted to use templates for different mailing lists, because it's a degree of complexity I would rather have avoided, but your post reminds me that I need now to start doing it. Thanks for the reminder. -- JN Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 6:39:59 AM, Geoff scribbled: >>From my experience, you have the choice whether to retain this folder. GL> I've deleted "Inbox - Known" from my copy of TB! 1.60. To do this, I GL> ensured that the "Known" filter was inactive, then right-clicked GL> Inbox-Known, then clicked Delete Folder. It's not the folder. It's the filter. You are not allowed to delete the filter. Mike Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate Shortcuts problem
Hello Batxperts, New user here making the conversion from Agent. I have 1.6 installed and am trying to make new shortcuts to match Agent. In View|Edit Shortcuts (Alt-F12) I have assigned the N key to Message List Pop | Move to Next Unread. The objective is to move to the next unread message easily without extra finger contortions. This all seems to work fine if my focus is on the list of messages. If my focus is on the message or account list the shortcut doesn't work. The default shortcuts (Ctrl-]) seem to work fine when the focus is on any of the three windows. The doc seems to be a little sparse in this area. Is this a bug or unannounced feature? -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
It was foretold that on 26-3-2002 @ 07:43:49 GMT-0500 (which was 13:43 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and spread these wise comments on ""Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")": JR> What enhancements are @ the top of your list? A fully written help file would be nice -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.60 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 "Suddenly his chin slips from the palm of the hand supported by an elbow resting on the desk. His head hits the desktop violently. And so another civil servant dies... " Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
Hello Luc At 2:24 PM on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 you wrote the following about ["Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")]: JR>> What enhancements are @ the top of your list? Luc> A fully written help file would be nice Agreed. Anything else @ the top of your list? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.60/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
It was foretold that on 26-3-2002 @ 14:39:41 GMT-0500 (which was 20:39 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote and spread these wise comments on ""Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")": JR> Agreed. Anything else @ the top of your list? Keep up the good work :-) -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.60 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 "Why can't you be a nonconformist like everyone else?" Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cannot find MS Outlook components to perform import
I am getting this error message using The Bat 1.6 release. I have put off using this program until the Outlook import feature arrived. Now, to my disappointment, it is not working! I went to Tools, Import Messages, Mailbox Import Wizard and then Microsoft Outlook. The error appears when I then click the Next button. Any suggestions on how to solve this one? Thanks, Jon Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alternate Shortcuts problem
Hello KevinFahling! On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 7:54:20 PM you wrote: > This all seems to work fine if my focus is on the list of messages. > If my focus is on the message or account list the shortcut doesn't > work. The default shortcuts (Ctrl-]) seem to work fine when the focus > is on any of the three windows. The doc seems to be a little sparse > in this area. > Is this a bug or unannounced feature? a bit of both. Single strokes (letters) are used for the Quick Search feature. That's why TB! doesn't have any - except you assign them. But then, they come into conflict ... -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
OK, now I understand what you mean. I don't understand why that is a problem. Just disable it and move to the bottom. Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 1:40:55 PM, you wrote: MD> It's not the folder. It's the filter. You are not allowed to delete MD> the filter. -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is this possible
Hello all, Is it possible to have auto cmplete for a nickname too. I used to be able to do this on the various Amiga EMailers and I kind of miss this. That`s all for now -- __ _ _ __ _ _ __ __ _ _ _ //\/ _ /\/_ __/\/ _ /\/ __ /\/ // /\/ ___/\_ _/ // / / _ / /\/ /\_\/ _ / / __ / / // / / /¸-¸\/_ // /_//_/ / /_/ / /_//_/ // // // /__ \\/\_\\_\/ \_\/ \_\\_\/\\/\\/\\/___ .this Email has been brought to you by the Databug ©. Other EMail:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ Nr:- 87314826 IRC Nicks:- databug, MadMango Homepage:- http://www.arkofnoah.co.uk Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this possible
> Is it possible to have auto cmplete for a nickname too. If you're asking whether TB! can complete a mailing address when you type in the name of an individual or group recipient, the answer is Yes. Add the nickname to the address book record under "Nickname (Handle)," then type that nickname on the appropriate line. JN Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply freezes up Bat on some accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am really at my wits' end here, and I am slightly irked to see that nobody apparently have experienced the same problem. An ill foreboding to be sure... :o( I have 3 accounts set up in my system and moved from 1.53bis to 1.60. I then immediately deleted the known-filters (as I remember it, I could) and -folders. Initially, I only noticed a known-inbox in one of my accounts, but known-filters in all 3. One of my 3 accounts worked flawlessly, but with both the other 2 accounts any use of the reply-button constantly produced an incompletely rendered edit-window and a freeze-up forcing me to terminate the program separately from ctrl-alt-del. Having replaced my the_bat.exe v 1.53bis with 1.60 (doh) I was forced to acquire the 1.53t rar from the beta-page and replace with that. Everything worked nicely again (a label-mangled known-inbox folder appeared at the well-working account and was deleted along with other unwanted enhancements of the known-type, as you can delete all filters including known-types with 1.53 versions). Today I reinstalled 1.60 and discovered all accounts were working fine reply-wise. I only had the known-inbox added to one of the accounts, but known-filters in all 3 (the other two filtering to the ordinary inbox). Now filter deletion was no (longer?) an option, but I redirected the filter to the ordinary inbox and deleted the known-inbox folder again. Guess what happened... Two accounts working fine, the last freezing up on attempts to reply through the button. Back to restoring 1.53t, now finding the filters disappearing in the process with no need to delete anything. And of course I seem to be the only one to have experienced this (judging from a quick browse through tbudl and tbbeta). As long as documentation for the 1.60 version is lacking, I don't really feel I'm missing anything, but It's kinda frustrating anyway. I don's see any option for repairing broken account indices which I suspect might account for some of my problems. I'm using Win98SE, BTW. Sincerely Lars Erik Bryld [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.larserik.suite.dk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPKDYHvpbkgvBshHUEQLmtACeP0zdguJeUAI4Wq2rbA58aCG+cdkAn2ld C+6xV/inPmWYj/xRn0EkB0Hc =XQyi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this possible
Every e-mail client I have used has that feature except BAT. I requested it about two weeks ago and while they didn't say yes, they also didn't say no. There was some private e-mail back and forth as to what I would expect, etc. so I think it was taken seriously. Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 3:58:33 PM, you wrote: D> Hello all, D> Is it possible to have auto cmplete for a nickname too. I used to be D> able to do this on the various Amiga EMailers and I kind of miss this. D> That`s all for now -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Is this possible
No, what he means and I meant was the ability to auto complete the nickname and also to restrict the search to the nickname. Current implementation will stop if it finds a partial match in the name field and may never reach the nickname that you were trying to use. Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 4:10:07 PM, you wrote: >> Is it possible to have auto cmplete for a nickname too. JN> If you're asking whether TB! can complete a mailing address when you JN> type in the name of an individual or group recipient, the answer is JN> Yes. Add the nickname to the address book record under "Nickname JN> (Handle)," then type that nickname on the appropriate line. JN> JN JN> JN> Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a JN> FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com JN> Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JN> Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com JN> Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JN> TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsgroups
Dear listbuds... is there a way to subscribe to news groups and retrieve messages using theBat! Sorry if this has been asked before.. Thanks.. Laura Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Is this possible
Hello Gene, On the 26/03/2002, you babbled on about "Is this possible" GG> Every e-mail client I have used has that feature except BAT. I GG> requested it about two weeks ago and while they didn't say yes, they GG> also didn't say no. There was some private e-mail back and forth as GG> to what I would expect, etc. so I think it was taken seriously. I look forward to seeing this feature then. However I would like it then to use the persons first name for the %TOFName tag in the template. I would just prefer to search/autocomlete on nicknames as I have severall Friends called Steve and the Bat always chooses the first one unless I go by a match on the surname or EMail addy in the latter case it uses the first part of the EMail addy for the %TOFName wich is a little annoying. That`s all for now -- __ _ _ __ _ _ __ __ _ _ _ //\/ _ /\/_ __/\/ _ /\/ __ /\/ // /\/ ___/\_ _/ // / / _ / /\/ /\_\/ _ / / __ / / // / / /¸-¸\/_ // /_//_/ / /_/ / /_//_/ // // // /__ \\/\_\\_\/ \_\/ \_\\_\/\\/\\/\\/___ .this Email has been brought to you by the Databug ©. Other EMail:- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ Nr:- 87314826 IRC Nicks:- databug, MadMango Homepage:- http://www.arkofnoah.co.uk I am thankfull for laughter, except when milk comes out of my nose. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mailbag Assistant
Some days ago, I posted a query here (or was it the Beta list...) about access violations when trying to create a reply with Mailbag Assistant being used in front of TB! For anyone who shared the problem, the issue has been fixed in the current Beta of Mailbag Assistant. -- JN Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply freezes up Bat on some accounts
Hello Lars, On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:20:40 +0100GMT (26-3-2002, 22:20 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: LEB> Two accounts working fine, the last freezing up on attempts to reply LEB> through the button. LEB> And of course I seem to be the only one to have experienced this LEB> (judging from a quick browse through tbudl and tbbeta). 23 march I reported somewhat the same problem. In a message with subject: replying and Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LEB> As long as documentation for the 1.60 version is lacking, I don't LEB> really feel I'm missing anything, but It's kinda frustrating anyway. I LEB> don's see any option for repairing broken account indices which I LEB> suspect might account for some of my problems. For they were only certain folders. Throwing away the index files for those folders (and thus forcing TB to re-index) didn't help. After some testing the problem could be localized to those folders that had a different identity than the account they were in and with a destination that had an address book reply template. Though removing those settings didn't help. :-( LEB> I'm using Win98SE, BTW. For me it's plain W98. The problem was such for me that I downgraded again to 1.53d -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: Is this possible
Actually, when I babble about it I normally add that it needs to be controlled by a switch so that the user has an option to limit the search to nicknames or at very least, cause a pass through all of the nickname prior to looking at any of the other fields. Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 5:18:38 PM, you wrote: D> Hello Gene, D> On the 26/03/2002, you babbled on about "Is this possible" GG>> Every e-mail client I have used has that feature except BAT. I GG>> requested it about two weeks ago and while they didn't say yes, they GG>> also didn't say no. There was some private e-mail back and forth as GG>> to what I would expect, etc. so I think it was taken seriously. D> I look forward to seeing this feature then. However I would like it D> then to use the persons first name for the %TOFName tag in the D> template. I would just prefer to search/autocomlete on nicknames as I D> have severall Friends called Steve and the Bat always chooses the D> first one unless I go by a match on the surname or EMail addy in the D> latter case it uses the first part of the EMail addy for the %TOFName D> wich is a little annoying. -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60 Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: View new messages in thread mode
Hello Daniel, On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:46:07 +0100GMT (26-3-2002, 10:46 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: DM> is there a switch to have a thread unfolded when new messages of a DM> lower level of the thread arrive so that one sees the new messages DM> immediately? <*> when entering the folder. I suppose that'll still work in 1.60 -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Inbox - Known" - general comments (Was: Changing properties for "Inbox - Known")
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:27:11 +0900, Yuki Taga [YT] wrote these comments: ... ACM>> You can manage multiple clips of text with it. You can format them and ACM>> manipulate them as you wish. You can't do that with the clipboard. YT> I'm not surprised there is more to it than that. The developers YT> aren't likely to add completely useless features -- *except* for YT> probably the Inbox - Known and the Menu Navigator. (ducking and YT> running again) (^_-) But, it does strike me as an extreme power user YT> kind of thing. Like regular expression support in the macros? :-) YT> I'm sure it's going to be useful for some, maybe even many. Sure. YT> But I think you'll agree that there are a ton of folks who will YT> never do more than open it once, gape at it a few seconds in YT> somewhat befuddled silence, then close it again forever. :) Sure. This is how it goes with most if not all feature rich applications. It's unusual that any user will find each and every offered feature useful. I certainly don't use all of TB!'s features. However, you'll find that all features are being used by the applications userbase, especially if the applications development is not occurring in a vacuum which we both know is definitely not the case with regards to TB!. YT> I really think the next thing RIT should focus on -- *other* than YT> FULL DBCS support, of course -- (^_-) is getting the Help files YT> written, and I mean fully and properly written, so that people other YT> than old-hand beta testers know how to use this stuff. Agreed. More of their budget needs to go into that. YT> You know, when I type 'smart' or 'SmartBat' into TB's Help/Index YT> tab, I get a big fat nada, as in zip, void, nothing. And when I open YT> SmartBat, I hardly get anything very intuitive, or suggestive of YT> what I might actually *do* with the thing. I do get a date, which I YT> already know, and I do get a time display, which duplicates the one YT> down in the lower right hand corner of my screen. :)) You can insert the current time through the right click context menu. In that way, you can associate the date and time with text clips. YT> The presence of a calendar made me think perhaps some kind of an YT> alarm program had been incorporated into TB. No. It's really a way of finding clips pasted in under a particular date. ... I more or less agree with your sentiments on the issue. - -- Allie C Martin List Moderator and fellow end user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ TB! v1.60 & Windows XP 5.1.2600 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjyhBaIACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LarACdHIEGNbFkD1gzfZ1a5rN0K5Db MCIAni7+qsHiQ38/DAtQrFrJ/EjamOOu =nhXe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clarification requested on list reply headers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, @26 March 2002, 18:34:09 +0100 (17:34 UK time) Chris Lilley wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I have noticed a change in behavior since moving to 1.60 from 1.53 > This affects replying to lists in absence of Reply-to headers. There is no behaviour change. Some configuration settings may have been changed. > Munging Reply-to headers is considered bad practice: > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > Which is summarized as > "Some administrators justify Reply-To munging by saying, ``All > responses should go directly to the list anyway.'' This is arrogant. That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. > You should allow me to decide exactly how I wish to respond to a > message. If I feel a public response is justified, I'll hit the > ``g'' key and tell Elm to do a group-reply. If I believe a private > response is more appropriate, I'll use ``r'' to send one. Please > allow me the freedom to decide how to handle a message." Correct. But I believe your complaint is fuelled by the fact that you attempted to post to *both* the list and the sender. When anyone does that, a moderator has to approve the post in case the dual address was inadvertent and the mail should have been wholly private. It's the way we have our lists configured because of such errors having occurred - often through poor use of folder templates. To sender or to list, fine. Both? Redundant - and it also means that the original sender ends up with two copies of your reply. While I respect your freedom, I don't appreciate redundancy, especially when it means extra work for me . > The lists I have been using follow this advice and leave From and To > and Cc alone. They add a Sender header to indicate the agent that > sent the message. I can provide sample headers if that will help. Our lists leave from and to (which is always the list anyway) alone and add a "Reply to" header to direct replies back to the list. > In 1.53, reply replied to the person on the From field, and reply to > all replied to the From and Cc fields. > In 1.60, reply still works the same and reply to all replies to > From, Cc *and Sender* fields. If it works the same then what are you asking? There is no difference here between the versions anyway. > This has resulted in my sending a number of mails to a list admin > address, because the Sender field gets copied on my reply to all. Why reply to all when you should only reply /either/ to the list /or/ off-list, not both? > Is this change intentional? There has been no change that I can see. > is there a way to configure The Bat! to not do that? Or do I have to > manually delete the admin address on each mail? The administrator is called in by the server, not by TB, whenever you do a reply all. We are asked to moderate an inappropriately addressed message in case there has been a mistake. If you want to reply on-list, just hit reply. If you want to reply privately, hit Ctrl-F4 (reply to sender). Please do not reply to all. It is always pointless on an instant response list. If you are replying on a list which only sends out messages once a week, sure you'd want to get the reply to the person asking the question a bit quicker than by sending it back to the list. Horses for courses. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator · TB! v1.60-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8oQaeOeQkq5KdzaARAl6SAKCFWlb6s64dN9ifEeERnMK+6ymnaQCg+Erj Wv6RSVbfESG/lw7hYsHoQCQ= =TkPV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newsgroups
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 @ 13:20:10 -0800 [ Tue, 26 Mar 2002], Laura Greenwood [LG] wrote these words of wisdom: ... LG> is there a way to subscribe to news groups and retrieve messages using LG> theBat! Sorry if this has been asked before.. Not without the help of another application. Hamster is a freeware application that has news server support and will allow you to download newsgroup messages to TB! from it. For a link to Hamster, you can look here: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/hamster2.htm On a moderatorial note: Please try not to write a new message to the group by replying to another message. TB! supports threading and most people who subscribe to this list uses the feature. As a result, your message was inappropriately placed within a thread and will not be seen by those uninterested in the thread in which your message is buried. You should post your new message by hitting the new message button. If you must do it the way you did, then, in the editor, go to the View menu and select 'Follow-up to'. You can then delete all the contents of the 'follow-up:' header field before sending the message. - -- Allie C Martin List Moderator and fellow end user PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ TB! v1.60 & Windows XP 5.1.2600 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjyhCWAACgkQV8nrYCsHF+Lg3QCfZV+2SpW+sApkeE67RtLGULme /ZIAn2bbjn31XOIPiNwg4B9nBUomxq8v =hdo4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Winamp Cookie
Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 2:55:13 PM, David van Zuijlekom wrote: > There is a plug-in for Winamp that puts the currently playing song in > a text file. In TB! you can put that text file in a message by adding > the %PUT macro in your template. --- What's the name of the plug-in, and where can I get it? TIA, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Using The Bat! v1.60 on Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Major coffee failure - operator halted. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply freezes up Bat on some accounts
Hello Roelof, On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:23:22 +0100GMT (27-3-02, 0:23 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: LEB>> Two accounts working fine, the last freezing up on attempts to reply LEB>> through the button. RO> 23 march I reported somewhat the same problem. In a message with RO> The problem was such for me that I downgraded again to 1.53d And after replying to this message I decided to download 1.60 again. I installed it and so far no problems. Have the versions changed between 22-3-2002 23:50 GMT and 26-3-2002 23:57? The downloaded archives have the same size. Or is there a different file on the Polish and the Slovak site? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newsgroups
Hello Laura, On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:20:10 -0800GMT (26-3-2002, 22:20 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: LG> is there a way to subscribe to news groups and retrieve messages using LG> theBat! No, TB is strictly e-mail. When you want to read newsgroups with TB, you'd need a tool to convert news to mail (and vice versa) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some kinda bug?? v1.6 trying to select all msg in a folder
I also had it happen once, but not again, think I might have laid my hands too heavily on the mouse after highlighting and it was seen as a command to open up the message(s). Elaine Hello Laura On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, you wrote > I wanted to move messages from one folder to another, so i tried > selecting the first message, the went to bottom of the list...and held > shift, then selected the last message. > I expected to hilight all messages so I could drag to a new folder, > instead it tried to open that same folder 67 times (finally had to abend > TB!) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some kinda bug?? v1.6 trying to select all msg in a folder
EEk! I wanted to move messages from one folder to another, so i tried selecting the first message, the went to bottom of the list...and held shift, then selected the last message. I expected to hilight all messages so I could drag to a new folder, instead it tried to open that same folder 67 times (finally had to abend TB!) um.. I didn't think what I was doing was unusual... any ideas? Thanks so much for your help!!! Laura Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clarification requested on list reply headers
I have noticed the problem. My reply to all placed you in To position, TBUDL in CC position (which this mailing list will *not* accept), and so I will alter the addresses to send. I was embarrassed recently to find a private reply post with "Hugs" hit a mailing list. I have paid careful attention since then to what is occurring. The To addressee was the private party AT THE DANG MAILING LIST address and TB had dropped his private address totally. I have seen it happen again and don't like the address being changed to include the poster's name appended to the list address. It's just plain strange. Surely, it is not intentional and has to be a bug. Elaine Hello Chris On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, you wrote > Hello tbudl, > > In 1.53, reply replied to the person on the From field, and reply to > all replied to the From and Cc fields. > In 1.60, reply still works the same and reply to all replies to > From, Cc *and Sender* fields. > This has resulted in my sending a number of mails to a list admin > address, because the Sender field gets copied on my reply to all. > Is this change intentional? is there a way to configure The Bat! to > not do that? Or do I have to manually delete the admin address on > each mail? Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Clarification requested on list reply headers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, @26 March 2002, 18:34:09 +0100 (17:34 UK time) Chris Lilley wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to clarify one more thing... > In 1.60, reply still works the same and reply to all replies to > From, Cc *and Sender* fields. I see what you mean by this now having tested it. It makes a real mess on the old fashioned/*nix style lists. I'm not sure what would be best to do here. The change appeared in Beta 8: [*] The Sender field is used first when no Reply-To specified but nobody took any kind of exception to it at that time and it was introduced to cover a behaviour shortfall. As to whether or not it messes up replying to these old-school lists, I've always found that a carefully crafted set of folder templates gets round the problem. Is it right? Is it wrong? My guess is that it's as wrong as HTML mail. And we all know how many sides there are to that argument. I personally have no firm opinion on this one, other than that it works right for me most of the time (and I deal with a fair amount of mail and a fair amount of lists). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator · TB! v1.60-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6-2 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8oTDgOeQkq5KdzaARAhRIAKCxGyG13U9pPTvUF/p1G2nNKmUDMwCfQG3y +/dFKVbL7OIsMx3FetKJ4xs= =3sBV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Browser email launch
I use Opera for my browser and I want it to use TB! for email when I click on a mailto link. I have selected thebat.exe as the default email program but it only opens TB! and not a new email addressed to the mailto recipient. What should I put in the selection box to open a new, addressed, emial? Thanks, KennyB www.runnerduck.com Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Clarification requested on list reply headers
On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, 12:39:07 AM, Marck wrote: MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP> Hash: SHA1 MDP> Hi Chris, MDP> @26 March 2002, 18:34:09 +0100 (17:34 UK time) Chris Lilley wrote in MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> I have noticed a change in behavior since moving to 1.60 from 1.53 >> This affects replying to lists in absence of Reply-to headers. MDP> There is no behaviour change. Some configuration settings may have MDP> been changed. >> Munging Reply-to headers is considered bad practice: >> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html >> Which is summarized as >> "Some administrators justify Reply-To munging by saying, ``All >> responses should go directly to the list anyway.'' This is arrogant. MDP> That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. I agree its one way of looking at it. They were not my words, just ones from the site whose url proceeded them. >> You should allow me to decide exactly how I wish to respond to a >> message. If I feel a public response is justified, I'll hit the >> ``g'' key and tell Elm to do a group-reply. If I believe a private >> response is more appropriate, I'll use ``r'' to send one. Please >> allow me the freedom to decide how to handle a message." MDP> Correct. But I believe your complaint is fuelled by the fact that you MDP> attempted to post to *both* the list and the sender. With respect, you don't know what I attempted since you were not on any of the lists i was referring to. MDP> When anyone does MDP> that, a moderator has to approve the post in case the dual address was MDP> inadvertent and the mail should have been wholly private. That may be true for *this* current list; it is not generally true. MDP> It's the way MDP> we have our lists configured because of such errors having occurred - MDP> often through poor use of folder templates. To sender or to list, MDP> fine. Both? Redundant - and it also means that the original sender MDP> ends up with two copies of your reply. While I respect your freedom, I MDP> don't appreciate redundancy, especially when it means extra work for MDP> me . It means no extra work for you whatsoever, and is the general practice for the fifty or so lists that I am speaking about, because they are separately archived and thus it is common to copy specific multiple lists. So feel free to respect my freedom safe in the knowledge that it involves no extra work for you. >> The lists I have been using follow this advice and leave From and To >> and Cc alone. They add a Sender header to indicate the agent that >> sent the message. I can provide sample headers if that will help. MDP> Our lists leave from and to (which is always the list anyway) alone MDP> and add a "Reply to" header to direct replies back to the list. Quite. But the lists i was referring to, as I said, don't have Reply-To set like that and it was the behavior with those lists that I was asking about. >> In 1.53, reply replied to the person on the From field, and reply to >> all replied to the From and Cc fields. >> In 1.60, reply still works the same and reply to all replies to >> From, Cc *and Sender* fields. MDP> If it works the same then what are you asking? There is no difference MDP> here between the versions anyway. Check the part in asterisks in the description for 1.60 and note that it is not there in 1.53 thus, a change. >> This has resulted in my sending a number of mails to a list admin >> address, because the Sender field gets copied on my reply to all. MDP> Why reply to all when you should only reply /either/ to the list /or/ MDP> off-list, not both? >> Is this change intentional? MDP> There has been no change that I can see. See above. I think that, because you thought I was talking specifically about this current list, you had the config of this list in mind and thus your response was not always to what I wrote. >> is there a way to configure The Bat! to not do that? Or do I have to >> manually delete the admin address on each mail? MDP> The administrator is called in by the server, not by TB, whenever you MDP> do a reply all. There is no administrator on the lists I am referring to, and they are not configured like the tbudl list. -- Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: Clarification requested on list reply headers
On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, 3:39:25 AM, Marck wrote: MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP> Hash: SHA1 MDP> Hi Chris, MDP> @26 March 2002, 18:34:09 +0100 (17:34 UK time) Chris Lilley wrote in MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP> Just to clarify one more thing... >> In 1.60, reply still works the same and reply to all replies to >> From, Cc *and Sender* fields. MDP> I see what you mean by this now having tested it. It makes a real mess MDP> on the old fashioned/*nix style lists. Yes, the lists are unix lists (debian linux) run using smartlist. MDP> I'm not sure what would be best MDP> to do here. The change appeared in Beta 8: MDP> [*] The Sender field is used first when no Reply-To specified Ok. And as you say, opinions differ on whether it is right or wrong - my question is, is this configurable? MDP> but nobody took any kind of exception to it at that time and it was MDP> introduced to cover a behaviour shortfall. MDP> As to whether or not it messes up replying to these old-school lists, MDP> I've always found that a carefully crafted set of folder templates MDP> gets round the problem. Hmm can you point me to some help pages that says how I would set that up? Does it mean all mail from such lists has to be filtered off into particular folders,so replying from inbox would not work? MDP> Is it right? Is it wrong? My guess is that it's as wrong as HTML mail. MDP> And we all know how many sides there are to that argument. I MDP> personally have no firm opinion on this one, other than that it works MDP> right for me most of the time (and I deal with a fair amount of mail MDP> and a fair amount of lists). OK, and I respect that. My problem is that it works wrong for me 99% of the time and I process a couple of megabytes of mail a day so a solution that did not involve manually editing the headers of most mails or downgrading back to 1.53 would be appreciated. -- Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can I change which account opens up when i click on e-mail link?
I have several pop accounts in the Bat. When I click on a mailto: link such as the common ones for subscribing or unsubscribing from a list, how do I change the account that pulls up that I am mailing from? It always pulls up my main account regardless of where I have last focused in the bat program. This obviously isn't always the desired behavior I want (as with mailist links my main account isn't the one I use for maillists). -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people." -Jack Handey Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I change which account opens up when i click on e-maillink?
Switch options/active account in the menu of the new email. The sent item will be filed in that account's sent folder. Elaine Hello Rick On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, you wrote > I have several pop accounts in the Bat. When I click on a mailto: link > such as the common ones for subscribing or unsubscribing from a list, > how do I change the account that pulls up that I am mailing from? It > always pulls up my main account regardless of where I have last > focused in the bat program. This obviously isn't always the desired > behavior I want (as with mailist links my main account isn't the one I > use for maillists). Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug with Search Tool in 1.60?
Hey there. I remember being able to type in a search string and hitting the TAB key so that I can choose WHERE to look (sender, recipient, subject etc.) - the TAB does not get me anywhere here - is this a BUG or what? Also, why does BAT ask me if I REALLY want to send a mail when I hit send? How can I turn that off? Any help is gladly appreciated, thank you very much, Sebastian. :) Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: How can I change which account opens up when i click on e-mail link?
On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, 10:58:10 PM, ETM wrote: E> Switch options/active account in the menu of the new email. The E> sent item will be filed in that account's sent folder. Cool! Thanks! Is that a new option in this latest version? I don't remember ever seeing that before. That's awesome. E> Elaine E> Hello Rick E> On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, you wrote >> I have several pop accounts in the Bat. When I click on a mailto: link >> such as the common ones for subscribing or unsubscribing from a list, >> how do I change the account that pulls up that I am mailing from? It >> always pulls up my main account regardless of where I have last >> focused in the bat program. This obviously isn't always the desired >> behavior I want (as with mailist links my main account isn't the one I >> use for maillists). E> E> Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a E> FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com E> Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] E> Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com E> Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] E> TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Marta was watching the football game with me when she said, 'You know, most of these sports are based on the idea of one group protecting its territory from invasion by another group.' 'Yeah,' I said, trying not to laugh. Girls are funny." -Jack Handey Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug with Search Tool in 1.60?
Wednesday, March 27, 2002, 1:09:31 PM, Sebastian wrote: S> Also, why does BAT ask me if I REALLY want to send a mail when I S> hit send? How can I turn that off? Account/Properties/Options, uncheck confirm immediate sending. Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply to All Issue
Howdy Ladies and Gents,
When using 'Reply to All', is there an option that I can 'check' so
that it does not include the 'X-Sender' address? At least one
'newslist' to which I belong uses a different address for the X-Sender
than that of the main address for the list. I have to strip-out the
X-Sender address, each time that I use 'Reply-to-All'
AtDhVaAnNkCsE
With a tip of the hat,
GJim c):{-
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Re: Bug with Search Tool in 1.60?
Account properties/options/ untick confirm immediate sending. Elaine Hello Sebastian On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, you wrote > Also, why does BAT ask me if I REALLY want to send a mail when I hit > send? How can I turn that off? Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[3]: How can I change which account opens up when i click on e-mail link?
E>> Switch options/active account in the menu of the new email. The E>> sent item will be filed in that account's sent folder. Not sure I understand what is meant here. Can whoever wrote, or whoever understands, this please elaborate a little? Thx. JN Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I change which account opens up when i click on e-maillink?
This was the question and below is my answer. Do you use more than one pop account? Elaine > I have several pop accounts in the Bat. When I click on a mailto: > link > such as the common ones for subscribing or unsubscribing from a > list, > how do I change the account that pulls up that I am mailing from? It > always pulls up my main account regardless of where I have last > focused in the bat program. This obviously isn't always the desired > behavior I want (as with mailist links my main account isn't the > one I > use for maillists). Hello Joseph On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, you wrote E>>> Switch options/active account in the menu of the new email. The E>>> sent item will be filed in that account's sent folder. > Not sure I understand what is meant here. Can whoever wrote, or > whoever understands, this please elaborate a little? Thx. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How can I change which account opens up when i click on e-mail link?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 26, 2002, at 7:49:01 PM PST, Rick Reumann wrote: > I have several pop accounts in the Bat. When I click on a mailto: > link such as the common ones for subscribing or unsubscribing from a > list, how do I change the account that pulls up that I am mailing > from? There is a status bar on the bottom of the message composition window. One of the sections shows the current sending account. To change it, just right-click on that, and choose the account you want to send the message from. Or - if you prefer using the menus on top of the composition window, go to "Options/Active account", and choose the one you want. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9&Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8oWGLjVbXUvsE8ukRAiwfAJsGM4SeuByNXTjvfAE4aZM1niG8ngCfc2Ed 7JMjOV/gL+t78/GcWpN7r04= =Maz7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Search function
Am I blind? How do I do a search with multiple criteria, e.g. BODY = "thisandthat" AND SENDER = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" or BODY="this" OR SENDER="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Guti Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Search function
Hello Carsten Guthardt-Schulz, On Tuesday, March 26 2002 at 10:09 PM PDT, you wrote: > Am I blind? How do I do a search with multiple criteria, Tools/Search... or use F7. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this possible
Hello Databug, On Tuesday, March 26, 2002 at 11:18:38 PM you wrote (at least in part): D> I would just prefer to search/autocomlete on nicknames as I D> have severall Friends called Steve and the Bat always chooses the D> first one Have you already tried using ++ when you typed in the first name??? -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Being schizophrenic is better than living alone. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Search function
Is there a way to do a multiple criteria search? I find I can only search based on one selection. Elaine Hello Nick On Wednesday, March 27, 2002, you wrote > Hello Carsten Guthardt-Schulz, > On Tuesday, March 26 2002 at 10:09 PM PDT, you wrote: >> Am I blind? How do I do a search with multiple criteria, > Tools/Search... or use F7. Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some kinda bug?? v1.6 trying to select all msg in a folder
Hello Laura, On Wednesday, March 27, 2002 at 3:05:29 AM you wrote (at least in part): LG> I didn't think what I was doing was unusual Not unusual, but it seems you accidentally double clicked on the last message. That's the only way TB! open up all messages. A better way of doing what you like is selecting the first message, holding and pressing the key. -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.60 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) I have not yet begun to fight!! - John Paul Jones Current Ver: 1.60 / 1.60a FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
