Re: Threading by reference
Hello Roberto, On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 2:02:27 AM you [RM]wrote (at least in part): [unreadable top posting repaired] V2 will be released this year and mainly will have full support for IMAP4, new filtering system, HTML Editor and as I know, redesigned interface. RM Do you know anything about a port to Linux? I've been using Kylix and RM BCB under Linux, porting Windows apps took about a day per app on RM average. From what I understand TB is written in Delphi. Shouldn't be RM that hard to port and would win a big market for Ritlabs. Why is this a big market? Don't get me wrong, I'd _LOVE_ it if I could use The Bat! with Linux natively, as wine simply su**s in this regard, but I don't get the point where the market should be!?!? Linux users are used to Open Source. Most applications for Linux are Open Source and free in the double meaning of the word. The only applications so far successful being sold for Linux are enterprise applications, even SAP decided not to sell it's database. Why should a Linux user, not being used to use The Bat! from his Windows, buy a licence for The Bat! with _sooo_ many free alternatives? Gnu, Emacs, Pine, Mutt, Sylpheed(-claws), KMail, Ximian, and so on [1] ... All of them are available for zero, what should a normal user convince to pay for The Bat!? P.S.: This topic might become OT really fast, so I suggest we respect the list charta and move on to TBOT. CC set, F-Up2 recommended and appreciated. [1] The order is pure random and does not imply anything -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Jernejcic, On Monday, March 10, 2003 at 8:17:06 PM you [JA]wrote (at least in part): P No ... but were in The Bat! you've seen shared folders? JA what a sophisticated question. That's what I'm known for ;-) JA I am talking abount the folders, that are called common folders in JA The Bat! . Not just called ... _named_ :-) A sophisticated, but important, difference. JA imho, to use common folders could sometimes, in very special JA situations, mean, that they are shared - got it? As every other folder could, in very special situations of course, be shared. They're named Common folders not because the can be shared without hassle between different people, but only because they don't belong to an account. Sharing folders requires lock and sync actions being implemented. As these common folders are only belonging to a virtual but non-existent account I don't think special file handling, taking care of locking and syncing, was implemented. So how should they update automatically? The Bat!s speed comes from semi intelligent use of indices and keep in memory as long as you can. If The Bat! would need to lock and sync every operation if would _slow down_ significantly. So your best bet is: Create a Wishlist item (follow the URL in list footer) for _Shared folders_. RIT could this way create a special kind of folders, marked as sharable which makes use of lock and sync (with all slowing down effects), while all other folders are unaffected and kept fast. Current implementation is only designed to be thread-safe, not share-safe, you're expecting something that ain't programmed. Like if you'd expect a Fiat Uno being able to drag your mobile home, to spare the costs of a truck :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) You will be recognized and honored as a community leader. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: shared folders - one more try
hi, Peter Palmreuther said among others: P They're named Common folders not because the can be shared P without hassle between different people, but only because they don't P belong to an account. ok, that's my fault. i barked the wrong tree. thx alexander -- Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Dear Batters, I cannot download my mail because I keep getting the above message, so there's probably little point asking for help on the list (since I will be unable to receive your answers). I'd be grateful therefore if someone could write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a solution. My problem started with version 1.61, when I ended up downloading over and over again the same messages. I wasn't aware at the time that one could delete them on the server (Account, Dispatch Mail on Server): a workaround, but at least one that worked. I read somewhere on this list that one should leave them for 1 day on the server (Account, properties, Mail Management). That worked. Since then, a single download did the trick. I installed v1.62i last night, opted for my original 'Delete received messages from server'. This morning the downloading hung. I turned off my machine, started up but still have same problem. I'm snookered, stymied. TIA Maurice ___ Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Hello Maurice, On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 11:15:31 AM you [MM]wrote (at least in part): MM I cannot download my mail because I keep getting the above MM message, There's nothing this list, or The Bat! can do for you. A POP3-Lock is initiated by the POP3-server, without any chance for your to interfere it. If the lock ain't released automatically when your connection broke (it might take some minutes, I'd wait at least 10-20 minutes before trying again) your ISP / POP3-server administrator is the only person being responsible and being able to fix the problem. This is _definitely_ a server side problem, which can't under no circumstances be solved from client side (unless you have shell access to this server and write permissions in the directory mailboxes are located in). -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) I never loved another person the way I loved myself. - Mae West Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:15:31 AM, Maurice wrote: I cannot download my mail because I keep getting the above message, so there's probably little point asking for help on the list (since I will be unable to receive your answers). I'd be grateful therefore if someone could write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a solution. In my opinion your problem is neither your nor TB!-s fault. From what I believe, most probably the administrator of your mail server at bluewin.ch is using a less-than-perfect mail storage method. See, your mail can be kept on the server in three ways: one - as a single file in /var/spool/mail (the oldest and least flexible system), in a single file in your home directory - Mailbox (a bit more flexible) or in separate files in subdirectories in a directory Maildir (definitely the best system, since every message is a separate file - more secure and easier to manage). In the old methods, when your mail client (for example TB!) read your mail, it had to lock the mailbox (using a small file created on the server, for example Mailbox.lock), so that no other program writes to it at the same time (for example - an SMTP server, when you got a new message). Most probably due to the fact you lost connection and due to a malfunction on the server, the lock file is still in place on the server, preventing it from both receiving new mail for you and from you reading your mail. You cannot do anything about it. Either the system is configured, so that the lock file will be automatically removed after some time, or not - therefore it's better if you just wrote to the administrator of your mail server ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and informed him/her of the situation (of the lock on your mailbox). The admin has to issue only one small command to remove this lock so this should be no problem. You can also recommend the admin to switch to Maildir format (I just did that on my server some time ago and I know it's no big deal, you only have to convert user's mailboxes to the new format which is done almost automatically, and possibly a change of pop3 server might be necessary). -- tomasz 'tonid' nidecki, zoliborz, warszawa, poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://endemic.org http://mp3.com/tonid http://mp3.com/knownspace * Borg DOS 6.0 * Assimilate drive C:? (Y)es Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
%account macro for domains, not addresses
Hello, I have certain email address in a separate address book group, tied to one of my accounts with an address book template. This way, whenever I send a message to these recipients, it is sent from the correct account. Better yet would be to tie certain domains, not email addresses, to certain accounts. For example, whenever I write an email to whatever@clavister.com, I would like that mail to be sent from my work account. As long as I have the recipients email address in the correct address book group everything works as expected, but whenever I write a message to a new contact I often forget to adjust the sending account. Would it be possible to do this with a macro? -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %account macro for domains, not addresses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marcus, @11-Mar-2003, 13:29 +0100 (12:29 UK time) Marcus Ohlström [MO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MO Better yet would be to tie certain domains, not email addresses, to MO certain accounts. ... MO Would it be possible to do this with a macro? Yes. You'd have to invoke it from every template, reply and new message, but it can be done. Something like this: %if:'%SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)clavister.com%REGEXPMATCH=%TOADDR'%- ='clavister.com':'%account=ClavAccount' - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+bdxfOeQkq5KdzaARAsLaAKCEPU+lRQTU44rztGr93uT+DyNiBwCbB1nn H3SdmW7jns3+VHqObOMMElQ= =KKcS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %account macro for domains, not addresses
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 13:53, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Yes. You'd have to invoke it from every template, reply and new message, but it can be done. Actually, I don't think I have to. It should be enough to invoke it from my default account level templates. Address book templates is not affected since they already are bound to the correct account. And of course I can use a quick template to speed things up even more. %if:'%SETPATTREGEXP=(?i)clavister.com%REGEXPMATCH=%TOADDR'%- ='clavister.com':'%account=ClavAccount' Works like a charm! And it seems I can add as many domains as I want to by just copying the two lines and adjusting the domain information. Great! -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
Hi, just got myself a switch and am fiddling around with networking at home - which is fun btw ;-) now i want to set it up so that when the machine with Internet access (56k modem) is being used, someone else can use the old Win95 pc to surf and e-mail thru the other pc. i tried AnalogX's proxy utility, but TB! does not like it ... (though WWW surfing is OK ...) are there any other proxy programs out there that TB! can use ?? i just dl-ed EzProxy and that looks promising ... or should i set TB! up from scratch ?? i remember that during install something regarding a networked setup came along ... i've got an account with an unlimited number of e-mail addresses, so i use the POP3 user+account trick when collecting mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... -- Rob using The Bat! 1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 ~ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
Hi tbudl at thebat.dutaint.com: In the past Rob was post: In the past i was have a good result with the utility to share internet conection of win2000, the idea are: INTERNET | |--- w98se |-- Win2000 HUB/SWITCH --- w95 (your old machine) |--- win2000 |--- This utility it's a router it's have a dhcp server to autoconfigure the network of the others pc, well, a lot of information it's Internet, go to google and: share internet connection with windows 2000 and press search. it's easy to do. -- Best Regards, Task Control mail: TaskControl at SoftHome dot net Using: - Windows 98 4.10.1998 - AVG 6.0 Free Edition - The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 - Trillian PRO 1.0 C Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 14:26, Task Control wrote: In the past i was have a good result with the utility to share internet conection of win2000, the idea are: INTERNET | |--- w98se |-- Win2000 HUB/SWITCH --- w95 (your old machine) |--- win2000 |--- W2K's built in internet sharing tool works great in a lot of circumstances, but it has some severe shortcomings. Try it, if it's not sufficient for you, I can recommend Winroute from Kerio (www.kerio.com). -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rob, @11-Mar-2003, 14:16 +0100 (13:16 UK time) Rob [R] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: R are there any other proxy programs out there that TB! can use ?? I use ProxyPlus and mapped ports to link from workstations to relay servers and ISP POP boxes. But do be careful out there! You'll need firewall and restricted access to ensure that the evil spammer isn't able to take advantage of an open proxy to route spam through your server. The seriously misguided and ever growing blacklist services out there provide a complete catalog of open proxy resources to spammers free of charge! If anyone reports a mail with your IP address to one of the Spam services at any point (and some idiots think it funny to report individuals they have a disagreement with to the Spam reporting services like SpamCop) then it will be open season on your proxy server. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+bedQOeQkq5KdzaARAouPAJkBcLU5HiJ7Oe0je12Qz86AzRNRPQCg6eQh M5bejBiGo4xBIWZjssbkV8A= =weYO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Dear Batters, Thank you Tomasz, Peter, Gerard for your responses. After several calls to my ISP's help line, I'm finally up and running once more. It's good to know that the problem had nothing to do with The Bat but rather with my ISP. When I got the following Bat message : Some tasks are now active. Do you want to exit when they are finished? my screen seemed to freeze. The only way I could exit was Ctrl-Alt-Del. This apparently is not the thing to do; when I tried logging on once more, I found the mailbox locked (some sort of protection, if two or more people try to log on to the same address at the same time). And, as the technician said, it remains locked for 20 minutes when it is released automatically. Many thanks, Maurice ___ Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cookies and Macros
Hello Januk, On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:38:09 -0800 GMT (11/03/03, 11:38 +0700 GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: please forgive my nit-gathering. ;-) I do. :-) %Wrapped works on the first *paragraph*. Yes, I got it wrong. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We are the people our parents warned us about. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Hello Maurice, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:19:43 +0100 GMT (11/03/03, 21:19 +0700 GMT), Maurice McAdam wrote: Some tasks are now active. Do you want to exit when they are finished? You get this message when you try to close TB while a mail check is active. my screen seemed to freeze. The only way I could exit was Ctrl-Alt-Del. The message from TB might be system modal. Did you try to click Y or N instead of crtl-alt-del? If you did and it didn't work, which Windows version are you using? This apparently is not the thing to do; when I tried logging on once more, I found the mailbox locked No surprise, because the POP session wasn't ended properly. And, as the technician said, it remains locked for 20 minutes when it is released automatically. 20 minutes is long, I know of servers that release after 5 or 10 minutes. But this setting is up to the sysad, nothing you can do about it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It takes money to make money because you have to copy the design exactly. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shared folders - one more try
Hello Peter, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:00:23 +0100 GMT (11/03/03, 16:00 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: So your best bet is: Create a Wishlist item (follow the URL in list footer) for _Shared folders_. RIT could this way create a special kind of folders, marked as sharable which makes use of lock and sync (with all slowing down effects), Well, it's been a while since I programmed on networks. On a 40-user network, all data files were shared. It didn't slow down the system to just lock and, after successfull transaction, release the files. Of course, if one user opened the file, nobody else could access it, but the data integrity was preserved; so if user's access to a file is the delay you are talking about, there is certainly a delay, but it is necessary for data integrity. You could refine it by limiting the lock to write access, so if any user was only reading the file, others would still have access - to both read and write. If someone else writes to the file, you could still not update the file on the user's screen who only reads it, until the next time he opens it. In small networks, this could be sufficient. Otherwise, if the client has to check regularly for updates, I agree it may slow down the program. In any case, I think the current version of not locking files at all is dangerous if two users write to it at the same time. Any application that is networkable should you file locks. This is true for message files as well as for address books. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wann wird denn endlich der Niagara-Fall geloest oder die Formel 1 ausgerechnet ?? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Cookies and Macros
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, March 10, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote... First off, how much can we store in the cookies template in account properties? As for how much you can store... I have no idea. I'm using a file, not sure if that'd make any difference. It doesn't. And I would think the size is limited by the size of your HD partition rather than by TB. ;-) I wasn't sure... as some components are limited in the size of files they can work with. It could have been the case that their box for cookies could also be limited. Second, will this macro work to wrap cookies that are really long? %WRAPPED=%COOKIE Yes you can... if you wanted to use it in conjunction with a file too, you can use: %WRAPPED='%COOKIE=C:\sigs.txt' Yes, but please be aware that the Wrapped macro works only on the first line. Oops, the Cookie macro returns only one line, so you are fine. I thought I'd mention it again, though. g Of course, you can do multi-lined cookies, all on one line, but at that point, the %WRAPPED macro kills most of the formating... For example: this is my cookie line where I try telling a joke\nFred: hello bob\nBob: hello Fred You'd have to use \n\n in the file instead. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPm38hCuD6BT4/R9zEQI3agCeLRMuORVwO56I4E9YIolJjp9y74IAoLcc 4NnzlQaa14Q9eexCkAzNlgs4 =rb2P -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Hello Thomas, Many thanks for yours. my screen seemed to freeze. The only way I could exit was Ctrl-Alt-Del. TF The message from TB might be system modal. Don't understand what that means. TF Did you try to click Y or N instead of crtl-alt-del? Several times, but since I could not make a 'clean exit' from The Bat, opted for ctrl-alt-del TF If you did and TF it didn't work, which Windows version are you using? XP. All for now and thanks for your interest. Maurice ___ Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
ON Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 3:19:43 PM, you wrote: MM Some tasks are now active. MM Do you want to exit when they are finished? Hi Maurice, You want to be careful with this one. If you either click Yes or No TB! stays active. There is no option to abort the current action, so you have to sit there and wait for the current action to finish. If it is a connection you can abort that in the connection center. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The main problem with keeping your eye on the ball is you have to take your eye off your opponent. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Hello Maurice, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:35:03 +0100 GMT (11/03/03, 22:35 +0700 GMT), Maurice McAdam wrote: TF The message from TB might be system modal. Don't understand what that means. It means that it will be on top of everythng else you run on your Windows-system. So you cannot just click on anything else and not see the message. I don't know whether this is true for the message in TB, you you seem to not have been able to ignore it. TF Did you try to click Y or N instead of crtl-alt-del? Several times, but since I could not make a 'clean exit' from The Bat, opted for ctrl-alt-del The message won't go away until the mail-check is finished. Unfortuantely, an Abort button is missing in the dialog. TF If you did and it didn't work, which Windows version are you TF using? XP. There are some issues with XP that I am not familiar with. I'd rather leave it to the XP experts to dig further. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hypnotophobie: Angst vor dem Bettenmachen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, Rob wrote... i tried AnalogX's proxy utility, but TB! does not like it ... (though WWW surfing is OK ...) [..] i've got an account with an unlimited number of e-mail addresses, so i use the POP3 user+account trick when collecting mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... It's actually common with a lot of proxy servers. You might want to try ending the login name with the server... and change the server to the proxy server. For example: Username: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Password: usual password Server: 192.168.0.1 You might need to switch the # and @ around... I cannot remember which order they go in. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPm4JRiuD6BT4/R9zEQLWVgCeIBgOtusNITTAECjTCpImBNkHz6UAnjL/ QdzfvS8f4HSFolpIP2/Ka9JX =D/LL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
newsgroups
Hello TBUDL, I`ve just starting using this email client and it looks very good so far (filters + can see what junk is on the servers before downloading) can I get newsgroups if so how! -- Best regards, Ken Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: newsgroups
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi K., @11-Mar-2003, 16:44 K. A. Walsh [KAW] in mid:1748041113.20030311164456@(nospam)ukonline.co.uk said: KAW I`ve just starting using this email client and it looks very KAW good so far (filters + can see what junk is on the servers KAW before downloading) Welcome to the club. TB has many hidden depths and we're here to help you explore them if possible. KAW can I get newsgroups if so how! You can use TB to read your newsgroups, but you have to use a third party program to act as a go-between. See here for all the spec: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg36819.html - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+bhXbOeQkq5KdzaARAlfiAKCBJfOqDay9tCewuPYokkUuCUFAewCgqy7L jKjkAvSLoegrh7y1ADQML7k= =HgOa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Listing messages' headers on server in real time
Hi, Is there a way to show the messages' headers on a server as they are being processed by the Dispach Mail on Server command, instead of waiting for the whole headers list to be retrieved and *then* displayed? Using V. 1.62i Thanks. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: newsgroups
Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 5:59:05 PM, Marck wrote: You can use TB to read your newsgroups, but you have to use a third party program to act as a go-between. See here for all the spec: Many people already commented on the newsgroup issue, so I decided to add my two cents here. I think TB! should stay newsgroup-less. This way more detail and care is taken by the programmers to make it a great mail client and not a news client instead. Also, there are already some great news-clients on the market, so I don't see the newsgroup option as necessary at all. Personally I use a Hamster + Xnews combination for news and I don't believe I'd need to switch to anything more. This (freeware!) combination does all that I ever needed. Hamster is a desktop newsserver and it surpasses any lone newsreader in managing newsgroups (parallel feeds, scripting etc. - unbeatable), and Xnews is a great online news client also with everything that's needed. Modularity is the key and I think that MS and Netscape did wrong getting people used to the idea of having a news and mail client all-in-one. Someday people will expect one program to do everything for them, clean the dishes, etc., and then we'll have another program that does everything, but does nothing well. -- tomasz 'tonid' nidecki, zoliborz, warszawa, poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://endemic.org http://mp3.com/tonid http://mp3.com/knownspace * Puc menjar vidre que no em fa mal. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Mailbox Locked by a Pop3 Session
Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 3:19:43 PM, Maurice wrote: Some tasks are now active. Do you want to exit when they are finished? my screen seemed to freeze. The only way I could exit was Ctrl-Alt-Del. I also got TB to freeze a couple of times, but when Cleaning up at the end. Sometimes it just takes it some time to compress mailboxes, but somtimes it just freezes and that's it... But that lock-thing never happened to me, and now it shouldn't as I'm using Maildir/ 8P... -- tomasz 'tonid' nidecki, zoliborz, warszawa, poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://endemic.org http://mp3.com/tonid http://mp3.com/knownspace * Saya bisa makan gelas tanpa sakit. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
Hi Marck, on Tue, 11 Mar 2003, at 13:40:30 local time (GMT +), you wrote: MDP I use ProxyPlus and mapped ports to link from workstations to relay MDP servers and ISP POP boxes. what do you mean with mapped ports ?? do you use other port-no.'s than the default ones ? i'll have a look at Proxy+ too, looks nice. MDP But do be careful out there! You'll need firewall and restricted MDP access to ensure that the evil spammer isn't able to take MDP advantage of an open proxy to route spam through your server. right !! i'm using Agnitum's OutPost (firewall) and EzProxy only allows users/clients that you define to use certain services (like http, smtp). also, EzProxy is 'bound' to my local network ip-address. -- Rob using The Bat! 1.62i Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rob, @11-Mar-2003, 17:33 +0100 (16:33 UK time) Rob [R] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: R what do you mean with mapped ports ?? do you use other port-no.'s than the R default ones ? Yes - the default ports are in use because I run a proper mail server here too. If I need to hit an alternative server, I have to use port mapping or (e.g.) 8110=110 and 8025=25. R i'll have a look at Proxy+ too, looks nice. AAMOF Proxy+ has a mail server in it too. I don't use it myself, but it's supposedly okay. MDP But do be careful out there! You'll need firewall and MDP restricted access to ensure that the evil spammer isn't able MDP to take advantage of an open proxy to route spam through your MDP server. R right !! i'm using Agnitum's OutPost (firewall) and EzProxy only R allows users/clients that you define to use certain services R (like http, smtp). also, EzProxy is 'bound' to my local network R ip-address. Sounds fine. You can always verify its visibility using an online proxy checker system like this one here: http://hatcheck.org/proxy - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+bkzLOeQkq5KdzaARAgF0AKDQ8YVeemAyjf6Xsza7/rmx8i9v/ACg01N1 nBa5kBr3Sc1qrFXAXnMgs1k= =/GcN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, Rob wrote... MDP I use ProxyPlus and mapped ports to link from workstations to MDP relay servers and ISP POP boxes. what do you mean with mapped ports ?? do you use other port-no.'s than the default ones ? i'll have a look at Proxy+ too, looks nice. In my opinion, Proxy+ is a far better proxy server. I used to use it back home, and was far more flexible. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPm5N3yuD6BT4/R9zEQLA0ACeJFy1Vvp58p1TpPkz2xgE6ab5b6kAoM/f +nkAY/KAZ5+qE84RwPOeY3Hg =43aG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
recomend another mailer ?
(If this goes through, then this list filters and rejects any mail that comes from foxmail) Just curious if anyone here has tried Foxmail 4.1 ? I'm looking for another E-mail client, as I just find theBat! too awkward. I hate that strange behaviours that it has, it is always so unpredictable. Foxmail seems like a very sweet program does anyone have any recomendations (besides theBat) ? thanks John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:23:12 -0600, John Morse wrote: I'm looking for another E-mail client, as I just find theBat! too awkward. I hate that strange behaviours that it has, it is always so unpredictable. My other email client is PocoMail (www.pocomail.com). But don't jump too quickly without giving The Bat! a fair chance. I admit there is a steep learning curve, and the program as a whole can be very idiosyncratic (and frustrating at times). But no other email client I know matches TB! speed and power (esp. filtering). I've flirted with other email clients, but keep coming back to TB! Personally, my ideal client would combine both TB and Pocomail. -- Cheers, Tom Sadler We reserve the right to arm bears. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Browser does not open
Hello Thomas, Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:38:16 PM, you wrote: TF You have two problems nobody here can duplicate: TF 1.) TB doesn't call http links correctly TF 2.) TB doesn't reply to the Reply-To header when you hit reply TF My suggestion is to uninstall TB (save your message bases and config TF data first), re-download TB, and install the newly downloaded version. TF I think something got corrupted druing download (as happened to Mary a TF few months ago). I just did that. It looks like the Reply-To is now OK but it still can't do URLs. Thanks. -- Pete Holsberg Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:23:12 PM, John Morse wrote: JM Just curious if anyone here has tried Foxmail 4.1 ? Yes, while it's similar to TB in some ways, it doesn't have a quarter of the functionality of TB. I keep it as a backup, for those (very rare) occasions when I want to send html mail, but beyond that, it can't compete with TB. It's also *much* slower. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
Hi Jonathan, on Tue, 11 Mar 2003, at 14:58:03 local time (GMT -0600), you wrote: JA In my opinion, Proxy+ is a far better proxy server. I used to use it JA back home, and was far more flexible. better than ezProxy you mean ?? sofar it works just fine is easy to configure. but i'll check out Proxy+ anyway ... -- Rob using The Bat! 1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 ~ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat! thru a proxy server ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, Rob wrote... JA In my opinion, Proxy+ is a far better proxy server. I used to use it JA back home, and was far more flexible. better than ezProxy you mean ?? sofar it works just fine is easy to configure. but i'll check out Proxy+ anyway ... Well whatever suits your needs I guess ;) I don't remember if I tried ezProxy, was a while back... but it [Proxy+] certainly beat out everything else I tried... including some of the big commercial ones too. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPm5jbyuD6BT4/R9zEQIZSwCfenJtyN0+gYFJOpiAZySZKSP83wMAn0+a rhjWiIJSZGWZiQYnKmO9geqO =mH7y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: recomend another mailer ?
Hi tbudl at thebat.dutaint.com: In the past Thomas was post: TS On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:23:12 -0600, John Morse wrote: I'm looking for another E-mail client, why? :'( TS My other email client is PocoMail (www.pocomail.com). well, in the past i was use poco mail, i said: it's great, but in this times pocomail can support only one mail account (toda:y i do know?) and i moved to outlook (not express, office outlook) Some day, the ligth came to me, i was discovered the bat! -- Best Regards, Task Control mail: TaskControl at SoftHome dot net Using: - Windows 98 4.10.1998 - AVG 6.0 Free Edition - The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 - Trillian PRO 1.0 B Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Grisoft AVG
Thanks installed AVG plugin and tested with Eicar Test string, every thing appears to function. In case people are not aware, the Eicar test strings are available at http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm They are useful to check that your AV software is functioning. Though completely harmless, most if not all AV packages see them as a virus and if you download/email or receive one it should trigger a response from your software, proving (only!!) that the program has patched itself in correctly. You still have to make sure your defs are up to date. Cheers Steve Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 3:23:12 PM, John wrote: (If this goes through, then this list filters and rejects any mail that comes from foxmail) Really? (That is, Really? not in the sense of questioning you or disagreeing with you, but Really? in the sense of astonishment and surprise!) I've seen HTML emails from Outhouse on this list. It seems strange Foxmail would be filtered... it is always so unpredictable. I'm not going to argue with you or try to dissuade you from leaving TB!, after all we all have our own preferences in what we like in software. I'm just curious what you find unpredictable. Sorry I can't help with a recommendation. I came to TB! from Outhouse and Outhouse Express and I've never looked back. I've never felt the need to shop any further. (Oh, except I played around with Eudora a little before finding TB! but never got along with it.) -- Dave Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message formating
When I send a message to the group, it appears to leave my machine beautifully formated, when I get it back, its all disjointed, with lines split, making it hard to read. The above block was typed in with no hard carriage returns, as with all my messages - have I misconfigured TB.# Cheers Steve. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [ok] Re: recomend another mailer ?
I've been using Poco for a year or so, but have decided to switch because it has a few bad bugs that haven't been cleared up. I've reported them to no avail. The developer doesn't seem to put anywhere near the effort in the program that he used to, particularly since he brought out the new portable version of Poco. I've tried most of the available e-mail programs, and will probably stick with The_Bat!, unless Poco gets fixed soon or Courier, the new Calypso replacement, proves to be a major improvement over the original. Both my wife and I like Poco's interface better, but it's bugs have been quite distracting. And, The_Bat! seems quite a bit faster. Steve . . . On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:23:12 -0600, John Morse wrote: I'm looking for another E-mail client, as I just find theBat! too awkward. I hate that strange behaviours that it has, it is always so unpredictable. My other email client is PocoMail (www.pocomail.com). But don't jump too quickly without giving The Bat! a fair chance. I admit there is a steep learning curve, and the program as a whole can be very idiosyncratic (and frustrating at times). But no other email client I know matches TB! speed and power (esp. filtering). I've flirted with other email clients, but keep coming back to TB! Personally, my ideal client would combine both TB and Pocomail. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message formating
Hallo Steve, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:01:52 +GMT (12-3-03, 0:01 +0100, where I live), you wrote: SF When I send a message to the group, it appears to leave my machine SF beautifully formated, when I get it back, its all disjointed, with SF lines split, making it hard to read. Are you per chance reading incoming messages in the preview pane with a full height account tree next to it? That would accopunt for the symptoms you're describing. Your message arrives here fine, but I suppose you read my message disjointed too. There are two options: double click on the message in the message list to read your message or if you prefer to read your mail in the preview pane you can set the preview pane to full width: view - split mode - full width preview pane -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Dave Gorman wrote: DG Really? (That is, Really? not in the sense of questioning you DG or disagreeing with you, but Really? in the sense of DG astonishment and surprise!) DG I've seen HTML emails from Outhouse on this list. It seems DG strange Foxmail would be filtered... I tried it again, and yes this list bounces mail from Foxmail Yes, they bounce it, even though they claim they don't want people to have the ability to bounce email from their client. DG I'm not going to argue with you or try to dissuade you from DG leaving TB!, after all we all have our own preferences in what we DG like in software. I'm just curious what you find unpredictable. The ability to select text, It seems I'm having trouble keeping the text selected. Settings change, layouts tend to never be the same, trouble shutting down, computer hangs, the interface is tacky, the ability to customize the toolbar. I'm sure I'll be back for the new improved versions, I know that this client has more functionality than any other one out there! I just wish it had the look and feel of a professional product. -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 10:23:12 PM, John wrote: Foxmail seems like a very sweet program does anyone have any recomendations (besides theBat) ? For my hmmm... 10 years of using the Internet on various platforms (Amiga, Mac, Linux, Windows) I have yet to find a better e-mail client, than TB!. So - no recommendations from me either than stick to the best. -- tomasz 'tonid' nidecki, zoliborz, warszawa, poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://endemic.org http://mp3.com/tonid http://mp3.com/knownspace * Beavis Butthead of Borg: Resistance sucks! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: recomend another mailer ?
Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:00:19 AM, Dave wrote: Sorry I can't help with a recommendation. I came to TB! from Ah, forgot to mention. The clients I used and would recommend or not recommend compared to TB!: Amiga: - MailManager (a FidoNet client - I used to read mail via a FidoNet gateway in the early 90-s - I can recommend it but it's probably outdated or dead) - YAM (a very versatile and nice client - I can heartily recommend it for... the time 6 years ago when I owned the Amiga - now - I have no idea what functionality it has) Mac: - Eudora (various versions, all unstable and crappy...) - Netscape (crappy) - Claris Emailer Pro (this is the only client that I like almost as much as TB!, but it's unfortunately long time dead and so outdated it doesn't even have smtp-auth) Linux: - elm (tried it, hated it) - pine (tried it, hated it) - mutt (my #2 right after TB!) Windows: - Eudora (look my comment on Mac) - Pegasus (tried, didn't like it...) - Netscape (crappy, didn't like it) - Outlook Express (duh! used it once! never tried again!) - Outlook (look above) - Becky! (tested it for some time, but didn't really like it) - Calypso (used it for around 3 years before finding TB!) So now you know what not to try or what you can try and compare for yourself 8] Oh and don't even try to think about using something like IncrediMail or people will rip your hair out 8 -- tomasz 'tonid' nidecki, zoliborz, warszawa, poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://endemic.org http://mp3.com/tonid http://mp3.com/knownspace * may' Daa jaHDI' SuvwI' juppu' Daj lonbe Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: recomend another mailer ?
Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 11:19:50 PM, Deborah wrote: Yes, while it's similar to TB in some ways, it doesn't have a quarter of the functionality of TB. I keep it as a backup, for those (very rare) occasions when I want to send html mail, but beyond that, it can't compete with TB. It's also *much* slower. My backup mailer is mutt 8P -- tomasz 'tonid' nidecki, zoliborz, warszawa, poland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://endemic.org http://mp3.com/tonid http://mp3.com/knownspace * Beavis Butthead of Borg: Resistance sucks! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ~John, @11-Mar-2003, 18:53 -0600 (00:53 UK time) John Morse [j] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: DG I've seen HTML emails from Outhouse on this list. It seems DG strange Foxmail would be filtered... j I tried it again, and yes this list bounces mail from Foxmail No it doesn't. j Yes, they bounce it, No they don't. j even though they claim they don't want people to have the ability j to bounce email from their client. Who's they? The list server is configured to reject postings that employ a MIME type other than the following: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain multipart/signed application/pkcs7-signature Configure FoxMail correctly and your message will get through. j The ability to select text, It seems I'm having trouble keeping j the text selected. Is that because you have Persistent blocks turned on or Overwrite blocks turned off in your preferences? Is it because you run XP with different user log-ins? j Settings change, layouts tend to never be the same, Not here. Not for most. You haven't asked for help with any of these issues. There are simple principles involved. j trouble shutting down, This can happen when the connection centre is having trouble, yes. j computer hangs, Not because of TB. j the interface is tacky, That's certainly a matter of opinion. I rather like it. I find it very effective for the purpose of handling email. j the ability to customize the toolbar. Well, okay, that's missing. It's not a show-stopper for most. j I'm sure I'll be back for the new improved versions, I know that j this client has more functionality than any other one out there! j I just wish it had the look and feel of a professional product. It's the unprofessional ones it doesn't have the look and feel of IMNSHO. You know, the ones riddled with eye candy and no substance. But still, that's the way of opinion for ya! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+bo0HOeQkq5KdzaARAqFzAJ9u2XcSqsjnHZHkMfVzEyoEImftQgCfV8Xy Xkfv5WEU54R8BwDm68j8b10= =BuC5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 @ 1:23:12 PM [-0700], John Morse wrote: Just curious if anyone here has tried Foxmail 4.1 ? I'm looking for another E-mail client, as I just find theBat! too awkward. I hate that strange behaviours that it has, it is always so unpredictable. Foxmail seems like a very sweet program does anyone have any recomendations (besides theBat) ? The Bat! list is probably not the best place to ask what OTHER clients one would recommend. At any rate, after using Outlook, Eudora, Pocomail, some other goofy html only one I can't remember, etc...I can recommend no other. TB! kicks a$$. -- Matt Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
when a server is not a server...
Hello Folks, I am struggling over a question on the server functionality of TB. I understand (I think) that in standalone mode TB collects and shows you your email (like for most of us), in non-TCP mode acts as an internal workgroup mail client (whatever) and lastly in server mode delivers mail to other TB clients acting as a server (transport) to the real mail server at the ISP end. At the same time the server box can and does act as a mail client itself... Correct? In any case, what I am interested to do is have a server mode Bat running on a given PC and then 2 more workstation connecting to it, but all being able to see one and the same set of accounts. Reason is dead simple - I have one main PC (the server) where most of the mailing stuff gets done (will be done), but I have another PC in the bedroom, on which I would lazy over on Sundays and send mail from it rather than bother to go in the study. And finally I have a laptop, which ideally I would like to synchronize with latest mail messages before going out - just to refer to them. (I doubt I would be able to post while away and then further sync the laptop msg base with the server msg base - with new messages which it has received while laptop was away) Ok, for the laptop bit I am probably asking too much, but how about the server and workstation being able to see all sets of mail accounts and mail from all of them (so all user will be administrators)? Or is this actually achievable if I have the standalone client installed on different PCs, but the msg base residing on a shared folder - then all I need to do is making sure that I close one client before starting the other? How about that? Thanks in advance for any help/opinion/sharing of experience. -- Best regards, SS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Browser does not open
Hello Pete, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:14:55 -0500 GMT (12/03/03, 05:14 +0700 GMT), Pete Holsberg wrote: TF My suggestion is to uninstall TB (save your message bases and config TF data first), re-download TB, and install the newly downloaded version. TF I think something got corrupted druing download (as happened to Mary a TF few months ago). I just did that. It looks like the Reply-To is now OK but it still can't do URLs. OK, we are one step further. ;-) Now open a blank Word document. No, not in TB, in Word. Type in a URL, it will get highlighted as it will in TB, after you hit return. In Word, URLs are as clickable as they are in TB, so click on it. Do IE Open? (Please note that you would need to let Word access the internet on remote port 80, so if you cannot actually connact to the site it may be your PFW settings. But that doesn't matter to us now - we only want to see whether IE receives the system call). If IE opens, we'll look further at what is wrong with TB's system call. If IE does not open, we'll look further into your file associations. Please bear in mind that I am trying to solve this the Win98 way; I wouldn't know anything about XP. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: when a server is not a server...
Hi I've been happily sharing the folder where I have my The Bat e-mails using MS-Networking. Then I install TB in another PC on the local net, I create a new account and I browse over to other computer and use those files, too. It works great and no special setup is needed :) Roberto Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:39:22 PM, you wrote: I am struggling over a question on the server functionality of TB. I understand (I think) that in standalone mode TB collects and shows you your email (like for most of us), in non-TCP mode acts as an internal workgroup mail client (whatever) and lastly in server mode delivers mail to other TB clients acting as a server (transport) to the real mail server at the ISP end. At the same time the server box can and does act as a mail client itself... Correct? In any case, what I am interested to do is have a server mode Bat running on a given PC and then 2 more workstation connecting to it, but all being able to see one and the same set of accounts. Reason is dead simple - I have one main PC (the server) where most of the mailing stuff gets done (will be done), but I have another PC in the bedroom, on which I would lazy over on Sundays and send mail from it rather than bother to go in the study. And finally I have a laptop, which ideally I would like to synchronize with latest mail messages before going out - just to refer to them. (I doubt I would be able to post while away and then further sync the laptop msg base with the server msg base - with new messages which it has received while laptop was away) Ok, for the laptop bit I am probably asking too much, but how about the server and workstation being able to see all sets of mail accounts and mail from all of them (so all user will be administrators)? Or is this actually achievable if I have the standalone client installed on different PCs, but the msg base residing on a shared folder - then all I need to do is making sure that I close one client before starting the other? How about that? Thanks in advance for any help/opinion/sharing of experience. -- Roberto Machorro [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://machorro.net/roberto/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SecureBat
Hi I've been using TB! for almost a year and a half now, and loving it. But now the itch to try out SecureBat has begun and I'm thinking on purchasing a license for it. Are there any features not found on it that are fount on TB? Can all my account files be upgraded seamlesly? (I have 8 e-mail accounts with lots of e-mails on them, don't want to loose a single one). What other advantage besides having the data encrypted is there to it? How does its encryption interact with PGP? Does it interact with PGP at all? I would download and test all this for myself, but don't have a spare machine to try it on, and don't want to use my main one to try it. Input is greatly appreciated. Thanks! Roberto Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Roberto Machorro [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://machorro.net/roberto/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Browser does not open
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 9:39:18 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Pete, TF On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:14:55 -0500 GMT (12/03/03, 05:14 +0700 GMT), TF Pete Holsberg wrote: TF My suggestion is to uninstall TB (save your message bases and config TF data first), re-download TB, and install the newly downloaded version. TF I think something got corrupted druing download (as happened to Mary a TF few months ago). I just did that. It looks like the Reply-To is now OK but it still can't do URLs. TF OK, we are one step further. ;-) TF Now open a blank Word document. No, not in TB, in Word. Type in a URL, TF it will get highlighted as it will in TB, after you hit return. In TF Word, URLs are as clickable as they are in TB, so click on it. Do IE TF Open? (Please note that you would need to let Word access the TF internet on remote port 80, so if you cannot actually connact to the TF site it may be your PFW settings. But that doesn't matter to us now - TF we only want to see whether IE receives the system call). This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions in effect on this computer. TF Please bear in mind that I am trying to solve this the Win98 way; I TF wouldn't know anything about XP. How about W2K? ;-) Thanks. -- Pete Holsberg Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOD32 (was: Grisoft AVG)
Hello Steve, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:56:16 + GMT (12/03/03, 05:56 +0700 GMT), Steve Fisher wrote: Thanks installed AVG plugin and tested with Eicar Test string, every thing appears to function. In case people are not aware, the Eicar test strings are available at http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm I installed NOD32 (not plugin), and downloading the test file caused alarms, but opening the .txt version in the browser didn't. Hm. But I have antoher question: I have a tray icon with which I can open a window NOD32 for POP3. the status is Off. How do I turn it On? Also, if I download the TB plug-in for NOD32, do I still need to turn the POP3 option in NOD32 on? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wann wird denn endlich der Niagara-Fall geloest oder die Formel 1 ausgerechnet ?? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Other mailers?
3/11/2003 Ah, the eternal debate on mailers, well, I have gone through Outhouse, Delta, Pegasus, Eudora and finally TB! And I think that TB is the most outstanding e-mail client I have ever run into - it is everything I ever wanted. Emphasis on the I - I'm sure others have different needs. Pegasus was fairly close to what I wanted, but the program is far too unstable to be useful. You wind up having to reinstall it about every two months because of odd corruptions that keep popping up. Perhaps next we should discuss the perfect browser? *laughing* -- Best regards, Brian S Monroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SecureBat
Hello Roberto, I don't know about features of the Secure Bat, but wish to remind you that under the current laws in the UK you HAVE to remember your encryption password - if Big Brother comes to your place and requests access to your encrypted files (or mails) and you have forgotten it, you go to jail faster than you can spell TB. Yes, even if you have genuinely forgotten the password! And these fellas are itching to make examples so as to create case-law and various other precedents of unbelievably heavy punishment for otherwise naive or harmless offences! Are you sure it is worth it? (No political propaganda or opinion is expressed here as Big Brother is non-political entity - it exists in the shadows of all governments) -- Best regards, SS (and thanks for your reply on my question) Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 2:50:30 AM, you wrote: RM Hi RM I've been using TB! for almost a year and a half now, and loving it. RM But now the itch to try out SecureBat has begun and I'm thinking on RM purchasing a license for it. RM Are there any features not found on it that are fount on TB? Can all RM my account files be upgraded seamlesly? (I have 8 e-mail accounts with RM lots of e-mails on them, don't want to loose a single one). What other RM advantage besides having the data encrypted is there to it? How does RM its encryption interact with PGP? Does it interact with PGP at all? RM I would download and test all this for myself, but don't have a spare RM machine to try it on, and don't want to use my main one to try it. RM Input is greatly appreciated. RM Thanks! RM Roberto RM Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Hello Tomasz, On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:20:06 +0100 GMT (12/03/03, 08:20 +0700 GMT), Tomasz Nidecki wrote: Mac: Mac (at least the new MacOS X10) has a built-in mailer, which looked OK to me on first sight. I don't know whether it can handle multiple accounts as beautifully as TB, that would be important for me. But is also has built-in spam scoring and stuff. Have you taken a look? Linux: - elm (tried it, hated it) - pine (tried it, hated it) - mutt (my #2 right after TB!) My back-up mailer is pine under unix (not Linux - if we do it right, we do it on the CLI g). It's OK as it is, as a back-up mailer. My first mailer was YARN under DOS - try that one and you know how comfortable pine is! ;-) Windows: - Eudora (look my comment on Mac) You say it's unstable, I disagree. - Netscape (crappy, didn't like it) Matter of taste, maybe? I used both Eudora and Netscape in parallel until I found TB. Tow things convinced me immeidately: 1.) Seperate handling of seperate email accounts. 2.) Superb filtering system. So now you know what not to try or what you can try and compare for yourself 8] Everybody has a different opinion, or, as rick puts it, beliefs. Oh and don't even try to think about using something like IncrediMail or people will rip your hair out 8 LOL! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. This afternoon there will be a meeting in the south and north ends of the church. Children will be baptized at both ends. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Hello John, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:53:57 -0600 GMT (12/03/03, 07:53 +0700 GMT), John Morse wrote: Marck has already replied to your message in detail. Ask here and you receive replies as to how to use this client. This is another advantage of TB - I doubt you find such a good list for any other email client. I just wish it had the look and feel of a professional product. I am not quite sure what you mean here. My (not very strong) ciriticism is that TB's interface appeals *only* to IT professioanls, but hey, I like it. It has no bells and whistles, it is designed for people who live, think, eat, and breath emails. The interface may be a bit of a problem for the amateur user - so I am not quite sure what you want to say here. If you say it is too professional, I know what you mean, but not professional: what profession are you talking about? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Deine Stereoanlage hat aber viele Knoepfe! - Na, ja, mit Reissverschluss saehe sie ja auch ziemlich bloed aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Browser does not open
Hello Pete, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:53:40 -0500 GMT (12/03/03, 09:53 +0700 GMT), Pete Holsberg wrote: TF Now open a blank Word document. No, not in TB, in Word. Type in a URL, TF it will get highlighted as it will in TB, after you hit return. In TF Word, URLs are as clickable as they are in TB, so click on it. Do IE TF Open? This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions in effect on this computer. Taraa! You have a problem with your Windows setting, not with TB. TF Please bear in mind that I am trying to solve this the Win98 way; I TF wouldn't know anything about XP. How about W2K? ;-) Nope. I went from Win 3.1 straight to Win98 and never looked back. I never looked further, either, because of financial restraints. ;-) So, the error message you are reporting above does not trigger any ideas over here, I have never seen it on Win98. So now I'll really leave it to the XP gurus. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You have a right to your opinions. I just don't want to hear them. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Browser does not open
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, March 11, 2003, 7:22:05 PM, you wrote: Hello Pete, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:53:40 -0500 GMT (12/03/03, 09:53 +0700 GMT), Pete Holsberg wrote: TF Now open a blank Word document. No, not in TB, in Word. Type in a URL, TF it will get highlighted as it will in TB, after you hit return. In TF Word, URLs are as clickable as they are in TB, so click on it. Do IE TF Open? This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions in effect on this computer. Taraa! You have a problem with your Windows setting, not with TB. TF Please bear in mind that I am trying to solve this the Win98 way; I TF wouldn't know anything about XP. How about W2K? ;-) Nope. I went from Win 3.1 straight to Win98 and never looked back. I never looked further, either, because of financial restraints. ;-) So, the error message you are reporting above does not trigger any ideas over here, I have never seen it on Win98. So now I'll really leave it to the XP gurus. And here is a possible answer, per Microsoft - has to do with a corrupted registry file: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=310049 -- Best regards, Brianmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Browser does not open
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, Thomas Fernandez wrote... Now open a blank Word document. No, not in TB, in Word. Type in a URL, it will get highlighted as it will in TB, after you hit return. In Word, URLs are as clickable as they are in TB, so click on it. Do IE Open? (Please note that you would need to let Word access the internet on remote port 80, so if you cannot actually connact to the site it may be your PFW settings. But that doesn't matter to us now - we only want to see whether IE receives the system call). Why does Word need access to the internet to perform a system call? If it does, then I think MS just put themselves another nail in the coffin for me. It should be a system call only... Word shouldn't be attempting to open sites, process urls, and the likes. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPm60ZiuD6BT4/R9zEQIWDgCfUiNkd9q7ugWQnMF40W4LzhynW28AoPxq U2V64UMKnYwUVSyRJ2u2vxHO =WA4S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SecureBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, SS wrote... I don't know about features of the Secure Bat, but wish to remind you that under the current laws in the UK you HAVE to remember your encryption password No offence intended... but this is something on this list that I think is preferred... the posting method. You seem to have used what is commonly known as top posting. This is where your answer, feedback, reply, and such appears before the question. This makes threads and emails a little difficult to follow. It's like being told a joke backwards for example. It also promotes over quoting. For example in your reply to the previous mail, you could have got away with just quoting the first paragraph, it keeps the same context of the email, and still gives those following an idea of what is going on, without having to scroll down through your mails. As a second point to top quoting, as you got your cut mark (-- ) perfect, when I hit reply to your email, I lost all the original mail... this makes it further difficult to reply ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPm62tiuD6BT4/R9zEQKycwCg+X/gPYlCpZHcPadJFQodwXFTiSAAn0Ww 3EdUMBCCsZlPkwD6R53olmXo =Z6YU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Browser does not open
Hello Jonathan, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:15:29 -0600 GMT (12/03/03, 11:15 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: Why does Word need access to the internet to perform a system call? If it does, then I think MS just put themselves another nail in the coffin for me. It should be a system call only... Word shouldn't be attempting to open sites, process urls, and the likes. I agree, Word should just call IE and let IE connect to the internet. Alas, when I click on a URL in Word, my PFW says that Word (not IE) is attempting to connnect to IP-address so-and-so, port 80. That's all I know. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man kann es neun Wochen ohne Essen aushalten, aber dann ist man natuerlich tot... Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP But still, that's the way of opinion for ya! It sure is, deal with it! -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Configure FoxMail correctly and your message will get through. Then I would like to see someone else send mail from Foxmail, just to see if it gets through. I have it setup correctly! I can mail everywhere and everyone... except this list -- from Foxmail. -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Who's they? Some SOB, maybe its you smarta$$ :) Maybe foxmail is sending html mail, and the list is rejecting it. Who knows, who cares... I'm just not in the mood for it tonight. Maybe tomorrow i'll feel more like being chewed out... -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Matt Thoene wrote: MT The Bat! list is probably not the best place to ask what OTHER clients MT one would recommend. At any rate, after using Outlook, Eudora, Pocomail, MT some other goofy html only one I can't remember, etc...I can recommend MT no other. TB! kicks a$$. I know the bat is the most powerful... and I'll still use it when it as soon as its changed a bit (one thing that has to go is this stupid editor!) -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF under Chinese Windows 98 You should be using Foxmail, they have a Chinese version! -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, John Morse wrote... MT The Bat! list is probably not the best place to ask what OTHER MT clients one would recommend. At any rate, after using Outlook, MT Eudora, Pocomail, some other goofy html only one I can't MT remember, etc...I can recommend no other. TB! kicks a$$. I know the bat is the most powerful... and I'll still use it when it as soon as its changed a bit (one thing that has to go is this stupid editor!) Personal preferences I guess. The latest betas have an option to change the editor to behave just like notepad so this stupid editor can be gone... Of course, after a bit, you get used to the editors quirks, and start to like it ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPm7BLyuD6BT4/R9zEQLx+wCg6H48jb+To3gqh98Bpliavevvu48AoJe1 ChuCJm65aW9jMkdLkXTucwij =5v4R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
I was sent a Virus... my favorite Anti-Virus program Grisoft AVG did not detect it, and I have the latest update! NOD32 did not detect it, yes I downloaded the latest update. I download the Free Anti-virus software AntiVir and it caught it right away. Sorry AVG, I've just switched Anti-Virus software! Sorry NOD, your not getting my money today! -- John Morse Using TheBAT! and Foxmail, and experimenting with Opera M2. AntiVir virus software http://www.free-av.com/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hi John, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:24:27 AM, you wrote: I was sent a Virus... my favorite Anti-Virus program Grisoft AVG did not detect it, and I have the latest update! NOD32 did not detect it, yes I downloaded the latest update. I download the Free Anti-virus software AntiVir and it caught it right away. Sorry AVG, I've just switched Anti-Virus software! Sorry NOD, your not getting my money today! Out of curiosity, what was the name of the virus? I just wanted to check to make sure it's on Kaspersky's list of covered viruses. :) -- Best regards, Kim Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
Hello John, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:55:52 -0600 GMT (12/03/03, 11:55 +0700 GMT), John Morse wrote: TF under Chinese Windows 98 You should be using Foxmail, they have a Chinese version! No, I should be using The Bat, because I am happy with it. TB displays mails in Thai and Chinese, too. What would I need Foxmail for? If you think it is superior to TB, please advise which areas you are referring to. I would like to know. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf einer Packung Nuesse von American Airlines: Anleitung: Packung oeffnen, Nuesse essen. [Schritt 3: Mit Swissair fliegen] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello John, On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:24:27 -0600 GMT (12/03/03, 12:24 +0700 GMT), John Morse wrote: NOD32 did not detect it, yes I downloaded the latest update. How did you do that? I didn't find an Update Now button in the NOD32 interface anywhere. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man kann es neun Wochen ohne Essen aushalten, aber dann ist man natuerlich tot... Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Kim wrote: K Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:24:27 AM, you wrote: I was sent a Virus... my favorite Anti-Virus program Grisoft AVG did not detect it, and I have the latest update! NOD32 did not detect it, yes I downloaded the latest update. I download the Free Anti-virus software AntiVir and it caught it right away. Sorry AVG, I've just switched Anti-Virus software! Sorry NOD, your not getting my money today! K Out of curiosity, what was the name of the virus? I just wanted to K check to make sure it's on Kaspersky's list of covered viruses. :) SDBot.Gen Backdoor server -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello Kim, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:34:48 AM, you wrote: K Hi John, K Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 12:24:27 AM, you wrote: I was sent a Virus... my favorite Anti-Virus program Grisoft AVG did not detect it, and I have the latest update! NOD32 did not detect it, yes I downloaded the latest update. I download the Free Anti-virus software AntiVir and it caught it right away. Sorry AVG, I've just switched Anti-Virus software! Sorry NOD, your not getting my money today! K Out of curiosity, what was the name of the virus? I just wanted to K check to make sure it's on Kaspersky's list of covered viruses. :) hahahahaha. People get real. NO anti-virus product detects 100% of all virii. Go and look at the issues of virus bulletin and you will see in the charts how many virii were missed by each product. Nod32 consistenly misses fewer virii than any other product. AVG is like swiss cheese when it comes to virus protection. -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:00:19 AM, you wrote: TF Hello John, TF On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:24:27 -0600 GMT (12/03/03, 12:24 +0700 GMT), TF John Morse wrote: NOD32 did not detect it, yes I downloaded the latest update. TF How did you do that? I didn't find an Update Now button in the TF NOD32 interface anywhere. nod32 is not updated from the nod32 green icon nor is it updated from the amon interface. It is updated from the control center. It has a CC on icon when its on the taskbar in right hand corner of winxp. -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello rick, On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:04:44 -0500 GMT (12/03/03, 13:04 +0700 GMT), rick wrote: nod32 is not updated from the nod32 green icon nor is it updated from the amon interface. It is updated from the control center. It has a CC on icon when its on the taskbar in right hand corner of winxp. OK, I have the amon icon, and an icon that looks a bit like a letter and opens the disabled POP3 scanning. (Still havben't figured out how toenable it.) I have no third icon, but I have another icon on the Desktop, which opens a GUI that let's me scan particular drives. I've found the Connection Center under Programs / Eset and am Updating as we speak, thanks. I find the scattered program parts and icons confusing - how about one interface with which I can do all? Also the Help file didn't answer my questions. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Many people quit looking for work when they find a job. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:18:28 AM, you wrote: TF Hello rick, TF On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:04:44 -0500 GMT (12/03/03, 13:04 +0700 GMT), TF rick wrote: nod32 is not updated from the nod32 green icon nor is it updated from the amon interface. It is updated from the control center. It has a CC on icon when its on the taskbar in right hand corner of winxp. TF OK, I have the amon icon, and an icon that looks a bit like a letter TF and opens the disabled POP3 scanning. (Still havben't figured out TF how toenable it.) TF I have no third icon, but I have another icon on the Desktop, which TF opens a GUI that let's me scan particular drives. TF I've found the Connection Center under Programs / Eset and am Updating TF as we speak, thanks. I find the scattered program parts and icons TF confusing - how about one interface with which I can do all? Also the TF Help file didn't answer my questions. Nod32 is addressing that. The new interface is available in the beta 2 of their latest offering which is available for free. However it is still beta and their are probably some bugs but this is the future of nod32 and it looks awesome with everything available in one interface. -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
rick wrote: r Nod32 is addressing that. The new interface is available in the beta 2 r of their latest offering which is available for free. However it is r still beta and their are probably some bugs but this is the future of r nod32 and it looks awesome with everything available in one interface. It doesn't matter if you get the latest update... NOD the so-called best antivirus software, is not as good as the free AntiVir software that is available from Germany!!! Try it yourself if you don't believe me. -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SecureBat
Hello SS Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 3:07:15 AM, in which you wrote: S And these fellas are itching to make examples so as to create S case-law and various other precedents of unbelievably heavy S punishment for otherwise naive or harmless offences! Really? Examples? -- Regards William www.residues.info Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello John, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:26:40 AM, you wrote: JM rick wrote: r Nod32 is addressing that. The new interface is available in the beta 2 r of their latest offering which is available for free. However it is r still beta and their are probably some bugs but this is the future of r nod32 and it looks awesome with everything available in one interface. JMIt doesn't matter if you get the latest update... NOD the so-called JMbest antivirus software, is not as good as the free AntiVir JMsoftware that is available from Germany!!! JMTry it yourself if you don't believe me. lol. This is laughable. The facts are 1. nod32 misses fewer virii than any product that vendors submit to virus bulletin. 2. It is the fastest virus scanner on the market today because its main modules are coded in assembly. 3. It is very reasonably priced. Norton, Norman and etc are more expensive than nod32. Also, I emailed Nod32 last night at 230am EST and within 1 hour I recieved a reply and I exchanged emails with the nod32 engineer and that is support. All for a very low price. when your free anti-virus product recieves the number of vb100% awards nod32 has recieved then come back and talk to me :-) -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello John, On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:26:40 -0600 GMT (12/03/03, 13:26 +0700 GMT), John Morse wrote: It doesn't matter if you get the latest update... NOD the so-called best antivirus software, is not as good as the free AntiVir software that is available from Germany!!! Try it yourself if you don't believe me. Now this is a really scientific approach... I swear the cookie came up by random! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Be more or less specific. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
rick wrote: r Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:26:40 AM, you wrote: JM rick wrote: r Nod32 is addressing that. The new interface is available in the beta 2 r of their latest offering which is available for free. However it is r still beta and their are probably some bugs but this is the future of r nod32 and it looks awesome with everything available in one interface. JMIt doesn't matter if you get the latest update... NOD the so-called JMbest antivirus software, is not as good as the free AntiVir JMsoftware that is available from Germany!!! JMTry it yourself if you don't believe me. r lol. This is laughable. The facts are r 1. nod32 misses fewer virii than any product that vendors submit to r virus bulletin. r 2. It is the fastest virus scanner on the market today because its r main modules are coded in assembly. r 3. It is very reasonably priced. Norton, Norman and etc are more r expensive than nod32. r Also, I emailed Nod32 last night at 230am EST and within 1 hour I r recieved a reply and I exchanged emails with the nod32 engineer and r that is support. All for a very low price. r when your free anti-virus product recieves the number of vb100% awards r nod32 has recieved then come back and talk to me :-) Awards mean nothing in Real-Time This is the REAL WORLD, and your product failed. Why would a person want a product that only works part time. Do you want me to send you the virus so you can check for yourself? Then maybe you can forward it to your s l o w updating NOD company, maybe they will have it added before next week sometime! As for speed... quit reading stuff off the NOD website, its bull, AVG was just as fast as NOD was, and I know that AntiVir is too! I know its humilitating when you just spent your hard earned money for a product that couldn't catch a virus in a real world situation. Sorry, you'll just have to learn from your mistakes. -- Regards, John Morse AntiVir http://www.free-av.com/ No brags, it just works... Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Now this is a really scientific approach... So you want something that science says works, even if it doesn't work in real life? Geez -- Regards, John Morse Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Hello John, Wednesday, March 12, 2003, 1:46:01 AM, you wrote: JM Awards mean nothing in Real-Time JM This is the REAL WORLD, and your product failed. JM Why would a person want a product that only works part time. JM Do you want me to send you the virus so you can check for yourself? JM Then maybe you can forward it to your s l o w updating NOD JM company, maybe they will have it added before next week sometime! JM As for speed... quit reading stuff off the NOD website, its bull, JM AVG was just as fast as NOD was, and I know that AntiVir is too! JM I know its humilitating when you just spent your hard earned money JM for a product that couldn't catch a virus in a real world situation. JM Sorry, you'll just have to learn from your mistakes. Ok. Lets look at this logically. You state that 'real-time' and 'real world' are more important. I agree. Now I state that if AVG fails so miserably in lab testing then I assert that It will also fail miserably in 'real-time' and 'real world' use. In the lab it is under the best of conditions when its tested. In the 'real world' it might not be. Also, didn't someone state that AVG actually missed the virus as well. So again, using your logic. If AVG missed it as well then how is AVG better ?? -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
rick wrote: r So again, using your logic. If AVG missed it as well then how is r AVG better ?? You better re-read the message. I said I no longer use AVG. I was using it until it failed just like NOD did. I switched to the one that was able to find it, and it just so happens it was a free program as well, it is called AntiVir Not AVG You better get some sleep before you try to reply again. -- John Morse pagemaker (at) semo (dot) net AntiVir http://www.free-av.com/ No brags, it just works... Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD verses AVG or AntiVir ?
Melissa Reese wrote: MR Are we having a bad hair day John? I recommend a hot bath (bubbles MR too!) and an early bedtime. Come back tomorrow when you're feeling MR better and read what you've written today. Then forgive yourself. I MR forgive you. ;-) Yeah I am Melissa, sorry. I'm going to follow your suggestions. Thanks, sorry everyone for being so disgruntled tonight. I'll talk to you all tomorrow. -- John Morse pagemaker (at) semo (dot) net AntiVir http://www.free-av.com/ No brags, it just works... Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: recomend another mailer ?
- Original Message - From: John Morse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: theBat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: recomend another mailer ? I'm looking for another E-mail client, as I just find theBat! too awkward. I hate that strange behaviours that it has, it is always so unpredictable. Hi, After reading all your mostly unbased complaints I think that the best e-mail client for you is Outlook Express. -- Edvinas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
