Re: Connection Center
2/23/2004, 2:25 AM: ETM said in Connection Center E I am going to bed. Greetings to you both from Virginia USA. Night (or, rather, good morning) from Virginia USA :-) -- Peace, be well J Allen R Day http://protempore.org At 18 our convictions are hills from which we look; At 45 they are caves in which we hide. -F. Scott Fitzgerald The Bat! 2.04.4, BayesIt! 0.4gm SE | Windows XP Service Pack 1 build 2600 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Connection Center
Hello ETM, Monday, February 23, 2004, 1:25:40 AM, you wrote: E ... The connection center is working ... Elaine, this thread has helped me, too, because I had forgotten that Options/Preferences/General was the place to choose Always. My CC dialogue window had moved itself to a place on my screen that was less convenient for me. So now I've been able to drag it down off the toolbar. While I was at it, I grabbed the horizontal line between the list section and the details section (with the pie chart etc.) and that way I was able to give the list section a little more space. And even at this unholy hour of the morning I remembered that to make it all stick I needed to close the window. I did that, and the CC completely disappeared. Had enough common sense (half a cup of coffee down by now) to trot back to Preferences and look at the CC setting. Sure enough, TB! had dutifully put the choice back to Automatically. I put it to Always, and for once Microsoft did not fail me. The changes I had made did stick. E ... but I am too tired to remember what it looked like (or getting E too old and this is my first hint of trouble grin). Well, ETM is a spring chicken compared to me. g I have written all this about my experience just in case she should wake up this morning with a yen to play around with what the CC looks like in the clear light of day. :) E I am going to bed. Greetings to you both from Virginia USA. Hope you slept well. And greetings (with thanks) to you, Scott, and Roelof, from Tennessee USA--where the sun might show itself on this cloudy morning, although it may be waking ETM (the night-owl g) up this minute. :) -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bug: OTime/ODate for new messages set to current date?
Hello TBUDL, is this by design or a bug, that %ODATE, %ODATEEN, %ODOW, %ODATESHORT, %OTIME, %OTIMELONG, %OTIMELONGEN are set to current datetime when creating a new message? The help says that these macros are used for replies/forwards and therefor should be empty for new mails.. If this is found to be a bug, I will file it on BT. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bug: hanging connection center on dialup: Dialling forever, when RAS is already dialling
Hello TBUDL, I use dialup with automatic disconnect. The problem is, when I'm already about to establish a RAS connection outside from TB and the connection centers starts before the computer is connected to the internet service provider the CC dialup status will be Dialling forever (at least quite long, before I kill it). TB should recognize, that the connection is already dialling and wait for the connect. I already wrote about this in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TBBETA), but no confirmation. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Account address settings
Hello Fellow Listers! I have two accounts set up in The Bat! for two separate e-mail addresses, with different servers. Something is happening with the account I'm subscribed to tbudl in that didn't happen when I first set this second account up in TB! When I click on Reply, my other address appears in the From: field. I tried erasing that and putting this one in, but TB! changed it when I sent it. I tried contracting the other account, but it made no difference. I had three failure notices from Mailer-Daemon in trying to Post a Reply to the Connection Center thread. Finally, in an effort to make my comcast address stick, I clicked on Reply to All. The correct account address (comcast) came up automatically, as it should do also with Reply, but doesn't. Then I erased the unwanted private-mail addresses from the To: field and was finally able to get my Reply to ETM posted to tbudl. Does anyone have an idea what setting I need to stop this strange Reply behavior from happening? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account address settings
Hallo Mary, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:43:37 -0600GMT (23-2-04, 15:43 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MB Does anyone have an idea what setting I need to stop this strange MB Reply behavior from happening? Address book template? -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: OTime/ODate for new messages set to current date?
Hallo dAniel, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:58:20 +0100GMT (23-2-04, 14:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: dh The help says that these macros are used for replies/forwards and dh therefor should be empty for new mails.. You might consider it a bug, but maybe it has something to do with the underlying data model that the TB developers are using, so it might not easily be remedied. Apart from that, eg it's rather silly to use a macro that's intended for replies and forwards in a new message template and then start complaining that it doesn't act as you interpreted the help file concerning the way way it might act. (Note that the help file doesn't mention them being empty in a new message template.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Account address settings
Hello Roelof! On Monday, February 23, 2004, 8:58 AM, you wrote: MB Does anyone have an idea what setting I need to stop this strange MB Reply behavior from happening? RO Address book template? You figured out the problem precisely! It was the last line of the tbudl Reply template, put there a month ago, as a temporary solution to server problems. Thank you so very much, Roelof! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB WINE ..
On Tuesday, February 17, 2004, 11:07:12 AM, Terry wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] T All of my data is on a FAT32 partition so that I can access it no T matter what OS I've booted into. I did the same - after figuring out how to enter the path to the FAT32 drive in TB! under Xandros... (it uses Z:\\ to indicate the Xandros root), and sharing the mail folder between Windows and Xandros like this works fine for me. -- Cheers, Anne --- temporarily back in Windows as PageMaker 6.5 won't run properly under Xandros! Flying high with The Bat! 2.04.4 on Windows 98 SE 4 10 A Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: OTime/ODate for new messages set to current date?
Hello Roelof, on Mon, 23. Feb 2004 at 16:11:56 +0100 you wrote: R Apart from that, eg it's rather silly to use a macro that's intended R for replies and forwards in a new message template and then start R complaining that it doesn't act as you interpreted the help file R concerning the way way it might act. I wanted to use it in a QT to test if I'm replying/forwarding or not.. :) I use %ofromaddr now instead. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP settings: what is ROOT folder
On Monday, February 23, 2004, Alexander A. Gomanyuk wrote... What for and what is this Mail managment-Root folder place of setting TB IMAP account ? From my experience on using such terms, it's the folder you want to set as the parent. You can leave this blank. The matter is that IMAP server (i'm working with) itself have INBOX folder and don't let to create on the SAME level, just subfolders... Sounds like courier :) So i can't understan HOW TB will use that setting ? Depends how you have your server setup. Taking for example shared folders, which are usually put inline (on courier) with the INBOX. This would mean your folder tree would look like: INBOX Sent Outbox Drafts Bob #Shared Notices If you set the Root folder to be INBOX, then the #Shared tree wouldn't appear. This is because in the LIST search that is performed, it specifies a start statement. For example: Before Root folder option: LIST * After Root folder set to INBOX LIST INBOX * This is useful on uw-imap because uw-imap loves to be a pain in the butt, and read every file in the users $HOME directory. To save this occuring, it is suggested you set it to a folder, to store all mail in a folder in a folder, forcing UW to read ONLY in the folder. For example, setting root folder to mail/. Your $HOME directory on the server would then contain a folder mail/ and in there would be your folders (well except INBOX for uw-imap). The list statement then becomes: LIST mail/ * This makes the IMAP server scan ONLY mail/. Saves some work on the server, but not really applicable to courier-imap. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never test for an error you don't know how to handle. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
wish: better OpenPGP secret key support for sign/encrypt (GnuPG)
Hello TBUDL, I'd like to see better GPG support in thebat. For when signing/encrypting, TB seems to call gpg --sign --default-key fromaddr messagetext That is bad, and fails if you want to send from an address that is not in your keyring. I suggest using a choose secret key button in the OpenPGP Pass Phrase Input dialog. TB could also realize before showing that dialog that there is no secret key for the address and automatically pop up that dialog - instead of the input box. I know that some Mailagents may fail to decrypt/verify if the sender's email address is not in the keyring (probably also true for thebat), but in that case the user/realname could be checked (with a dialog for more than one result). O(pi)nions anyone? -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Shared Quick Templates not sharing
Hi Unless I'm being particularly dense - if I set up a Quick Template within one account and set it to Share with Other Accounts then I would expect the following behaviour: Type the handle and hit CTRL+SPACE will insert the template no matter which account I am sending from. For me... it doesn't share - will work with the account in which it is set up but not in any of the others. Is there another setting somewhere that is conflicting? Marten Gallagher -- Annery Kiln Web Design Delivering Information Effectively www.annerykiln.co.uk Web Design and Site Management Web Hosting and Print Design Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu Navigator Keyboard
Hello Mark, On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:39:01 -0800 GMT (23/02/2004, 06:39 +0700 GMT), Mark Wieder wrote: The Menu Navigator is one of the first things I turned off. Have you actually found something useful buried in there? Yes. There are so many menu items now that I sometimes forget where is which. The menu navigator is faster for me than guessing and looking through all the menues and submenues. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I don't kill flies, but I like to mess with their minds. I hold them above globes. They freak out and yell, Whooa, I'm way too high. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: hanging connection center on dialup: Dialling forever, when RAS is already dialling
Hello dAniel, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:08:48 +0100 GMT (23/02/2004, 21:08 +0700 GMT), dAniel hAhler wrote: I use dialup with automatic disconnect. The problem is, when I'm already about to establish a RAS connection outside from TB and the connection centers starts before the computer is connected to the internet service provider the CC dialup status will be Dialling forever (at least quite long, before I kill it). I had this happen (but didn't try with the current version). TB should recognize, that the connection is already dialling and wait for the connect. It may be a Windows problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. SYMPTOM: Opposite wall covered with fluorescent lights. FAULT: You have fallen over backward. ACTION: Have yourself lashed to bar. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.4 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shared Quick Templates not sharing
Hello Admin, For me... it doesn't share - will work with the account in which it is set up but not in any of the others. Which version of TB are you using? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Shared Quick Templates not sharing
Hello Admin, For me... it doesn't share - will work with the account in which it is set up but not in any of the others. Which version of TB are you using? 2.04.4 Business -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shared Quick Templates not sharing
Hello Marten, For me... it doesn't share - will work with the account in which it is set up but not in any of the others. Which version of TB are you using? 2.04.4 Business All my existing QTs are shared without problem, but as I had not created any new ones since I upgraded to 2.04.4, and just in case, I have just created one and it is shared just fine. Sorry. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Dear Bats Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then a crash). How do I get back to the old version! Aubrey Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Mark wrote: M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). I experience the same problem. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hi Mark, on Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:23:46 +GMT, you wrote: M Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). F7 brings up the search window here as supposed, using Win98SE. Which operating system do you use? M How do I get back to the old version! Restore your backup.? -- Cheers Peter Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue. Winamp currently playing: Paolo Conte - Paso Doble Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Dear Peter I'm on XP. Problem. Would need to restore old version of Bat, but I'm worried about causing problems if new features (views) have been recorded in data files - are they backward comparable? If a fix is going to be posted for this very soon, I can wait. Mark PM Hi Mark, PM on Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:23:46 +GMT, you wrote: PM Restore your backup.? Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hello Frank, On Monday, February 23, 2004 at 12:53:46, you wrote: M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). I experience the same problem. Not here. -- Regards, Paddy L Windows XP pro; TB! 2.04.4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
On Monday, February 23, 2004, 3:42 PM, you wrote: FJdB Mark wrote: M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). FJdB I experience the same problem. I just used F7, searched my recipe folders for chicken and it came back in about 5 seconds with 105 messages. I only searched the body, and only for a one-word search. -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jan2004 (4.1.342) (avast! version number) 0402-0 (20.02.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.342 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shared Quick Templates not sharing
Hello Admin :), on Mon, 23. Feb 2004 at 18:33:33 + you wrote: A For me... it doesn't share - will work with the account in which it is A set up but not in any of the others. Confirmed.. ctrl-shift-q shows no shared QTs from other accounts. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hello Paul On Monday, February 23, 2004, you wrote I just used F7, searched my recipe folders for chicken and it came back in about 5 seconds with 105 messages. I only searched the body, and only for a one-word search. I have never had luck searching for more than one word, but the search mechanism works fine (through single or multiple folders). Elaine If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Crash on Search in 2.04.4
FJD I experience the same problem. FJD Frank de Bruin M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). The wierdest thing just happened. The crash on F7 problem suddenly resolved itself. I then noticed that my folder color groups had disappeared, as had the View Modes Menu item. I then checked the Help About Box, and my version number had reverted back to 2.01.3! What is happening! I had to blink several times. Mark Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: hanging connection center on dialup: Dialling forever, when RAS is already dialling
Hello Thomas, on Tue, 24. Feb 2004 at 01:46:45 +0700 you wrote: T I had this happen (but didn't try with the current version). I see this as confirmed.. TB should recognize, that the connection is already dialling and wait for the connect. T It may be a Windows problem. Don't know what kind of API TB uses for dialup, but it seems like there is not enough checking in this special case.. RAS Error Code list: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q163/1/11.aspNoWebContent=1 could be 600 (An operation is pending.), 602 (The port is already open.) or sth simliar.. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 with POPFile 0.20.1 and avast Jan2004 (4.1.342). Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hallo Aubrey, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:23:46 +GMT (23-2-04, 21:23 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). Confirmed here on W98 Dutch. M How do I get back to the old version! Install the setup file of the previous version? Can still be downloaded from the Ritlabs site. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hallo Mark, On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:07:05 +GMT (23-2-04, 22:07 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M Modes Menu item. I then checked the Help About Box, M and my version number had reverted back to 2.01.3! M What is happening! I had to blink several times. Must be XP's restore function intervening. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Must be XP's restore function intervening. I use XP and would have to very specifically call on it. Restore would not happen accidentally without the person knowing. -- Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 23-Feb-2004 3:23:46 PM Crash on Search in 2.04.4 mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then a crash). Not confirmed on Windows XP. How do I get back to the old version! Install it. If you message base does not come through properly, restore from the backup you (should have) made before upgrading. -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Spotted in a safari park: ELEPHANTS PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CAR Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Crash on Search in 2.04.4
M Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The M Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M a crash). RO Confirmed here on W98 Dutch. OK, might have gained some possible insight into why the crach on search is happening to some folks. There may be a problem with the install routine on 2.04.4. When I installed 2.04.4 over 2.01.3 the installation routine presented a default folder for install, which I assumed to be the current installation folder. However, the default folder presented was c:/program files/TheBat The 2.01.03 default installation had been to c:/program files/The Bat (note the space) I now have two installations on the Bat, and a variety of registry entries either with and without a space in the path pointing to different versions. Tried to overwrite all the DLL's and program file in the old folder with the new versions in case some old files were being called upon, but the F7 problem remains. The simultaneously installed 2.01.3 works fine though. -- Mark Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
On Monday, February 23, 2004, 3:52 PM, you wrote: M I'm on XP. Problem. M Would need to restore old version of Bat, but I'm M worried about causing problems if new features (views) M have been recorded in data files - are they backward M comparable? If a fix is going to be posted for this M very soon, I can wait. Before I upgrade to any new version, and at least monthly, I back up my TB setup. I do this using Allie's backup program ( check the archive), called tbbackup.bat. I will append MY version of that file here: start tbbackup.bat Echo Echo * !! Updating Backup Archive of TB-Mail!! * Echo * (C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\TB-Mail.rar)* Echo REM ;Path C:\Software\winrar REM ;winrar a -u -as \\Alliem\L\TBBackup\TB-Mail.rar C:\Mail Path C:\Program Files\winrar copy C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\TB_Mail.rar C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\TB_Mail_OLD.rar winrar a -u -as C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\TB_Mail.rar C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail REM;I backup to my server which has a nice Seagate Cheetah as its main REM;drive. REM;C:\Mail is my working mail directory. This should be REM;C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail for most. REM;The path before that defines the name and location of the rar archive REM;you're backing up to. If one isn't there, it will just create one and REM;do a full backup on the first go. After that, it simply analyses the REM;archive and update only the changed files. This saves time and REM;overhead. REM;Use the winrar command switches as shown. REM;a - create archive REM;u - update an existing archive REM;as - synchronise an existing archive with a target source REM;directory/file. REM;The Echo part just suppresses all the stuff that will normally fill REM;the console window when the cmd script is running and the announcement REM;in the asterisk is put in it's place. Makes for a cleaner visual if I REM;happen to be awake when it starts running. REM;I do the same for the registry. I do it separately but you could do it REM;all in one swoop (I guess I will shortly integrate the two. I don't REM;know why I separated them in the first place). My TB! registry backup REM;goes like this: @Echo Off Path=C:\Windows copy C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\tbreg.reg C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\tbreg2.reg del C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\tbreg.reg regedit /e C:\tmp\software\The Bat!\TBBackup\tbreg.reg hkey_current_user\software\rit exit ;You could use WinRAR and the system scheduler to do unattended backups ;of many files and folders on your system. No need for 3rd party ;software. :-) -- end tbbackup.bat -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jan2004 (4.1.342) (avast! version number) 0402-0 (20.02.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.342 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hello Mark, Monday, February 23, 2004, 4:22:15 PM, you wrote: OK, might have gained some possible insight into why the crach on search is happening to some folks. There may be a problem with the install routine on 2.04.4. That may or may not be a factor, but for me the crash on search started when I upgraded the executable to RC3 (I don't remember which beta I upgraded from -- I think RC1). -- Dave Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hello Mark, Just upgraded from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4 - disasters! The Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then a crash). How do I get back to the old version! I had that problem the very first time I upgraded, also from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4. I downgraded and upgraded several times and always with the same result. As I reported in TBBeta, I finally downloaded 2.02.3 CE (which is still availabe from Ritlabs web site, and upgraded to that and then to v2.04.4 and it is working now without problems. So, as I see it, there _is a problem when upgrading from some earlier versions, at least from 2.01.3. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu Navigator Keyboard
Thomas- Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:42:04 AM, you wrote: TF Yes. There are so many menu items now that I sometimes forget where is TF which. The menu navigator is faster for me than guessing and looking TF through all the menues and submenues. Ah. But you do have to remember that there's something to look for, even if you don't remember where it is. For me, putting these things in an improved Help feature would serve the purpose much better. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
On Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:34:11 PM, Dave wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D That may or may not be a factor, but for me the crash on search D started when I upgraded the executable to RC3 (I don't remember D which beta I upgraded from -- I think RC1). Same here Dave - it happened under RC3 and continues under 2.04.4 (and I have only one instance of TB! installed in the same folder as the previous versions reading mail folder that is still in the same place also.) -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! 2.04.4 on Windows 98 SE 4 10 A Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Mark wrote: There may be a problem with the install routine on 2.04.4. When I installed 2.04.4 over 2.01.3 the installation routine presented a default folder for install, which I assumed to be the current installation folder. However, the default folder presented was c:/program files/TheBat The 2.01.03 default installation had been to c:/program files/The Bat (note the space) Yikes! Is this true?!!? Isn't this something that should have NEVER, EVER made it past testing? I thought 2.04.4 was an official release? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
From the confirmed problems I've been reading about, it seems 2.04.4 isn't any more stable (across multiple users) than the recent betas. What's up? Forgive me for being presumptuous, but shouldn't new problems really be at a minimum in a full release? I can understand some very specific issues coming that might pertain to a certain configuration that was tested. But isn't that what beta testing is for - to iron out the major issues (including problems with installation)? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello ken, on Monday, February 23, 2004, 5:53:50 PM, ken green wrote: From the confirmed problems I've been reading about, it seems 2.04.4 isn't any more stable (across multiple users) than the recent betas. No, I can't confirm that. For me the 2.04.4 works very fine (also the Spamfilter BayesIt which is included in that distribution. I must say thanks to Stefan and his team for the good work. And please have a look on my suggestions and what you think about that. (I posted them in TBBeta and in the normal TBudl). -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hello ken, on Monday, February 23, 2004, 5:46:12 PM, ken green wrote: Yikes! Is this true?!!? Isn't this something that should have NEVER, EVER made it past testing? I thought 2.04.4 was an official release? Probably it is true for some users. However for me it NEVER happened so far (and for many other users also not). MAU was reporting that problem. But after installing an older version and then again the latest version it also was working for him. Up to now we couldn't find out why in some rare cases this can happen. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hi MAU, Monday, February 23, 2004, 5:48:37 PM, you wrote: MAU I finally downloaded 2.02.3 CE (which is still available from MAU Ritlabs web site), and upgraded to that and then to v2.04.4 and it MAU is working now without problems. After reading this thread, I tried the search feature and The Bat stopped responding too. I had gone directly from 2.01.3 to 2.04.4. Based on Miguel's advice, I too downloaded 2.02.3 and installed it over 2.04.4 and checked the search feature. It worked as advertised. I then immediately reapplied 2.04.4 and now the search feature works for me in this latest version. The whole process took less than 2 minutes. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Shared Quick Templates not sharing
Daniel Hahler, [DH] wrote: DH Confirmed.. DH ctrl-shift-q shows no shared QTs from other accounts. ctrlshiftq brings up the QT config panel listing only the quick templates for the currently selected account. This doesn't mean that shared quick templates will not work across accounts. Shared templates work just fine here. I depend heavily on them. In fact, most of the quick templates I currently use are in one of my old POP accounts and I use an IMAP account now. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Mark, [M] wrote: M When I installed 2.04.4 over 2.01.3 the installation routine M presented a default folder for install, which I assumed to be the M current installation folder. However, the default folder presented M was c:/program files/TheBat The 2.01.03 default installation had M been to c:/program files/The Bat (note the space) This is very odd. TB! normally upgrades an installation, taking the installation path from the registry so that a prior installation is upgraded. I know this since for a long time, I had TB! installed in a different directory from the default and I never had to adjust the installation path when upgrading. Are you upgrading or are you uninstalling and then reinstalling each time? -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
At 7:56 PM on 2/23/2004, Allie Martin typed ... A This is very odd. A TB! normally upgrades an installation, taking the installation path A from the registry so that a prior installation is upgraded. I know A this since for a long time, I had TB! installed in a different A directory from the default and I never had to adjust the installation A path when upgrading. Quite odd, indeed. I've been updating from version to version for a long time and I've always just installed over the existing installation (as the instructions suggest). My directory is the same as it's always been: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\ And my messages are stored in directories under D:\BatMail\. Each subsequent new version has found everything. -- Bill Blinn - Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 2/23/2004 at 8:08 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: Cats understand if some of their friends cannot come inside. This line was left blank intentionally, but now these words are in it. Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Martin Schneider wrote: From the confirmed problems I've been reading about, it seems 2.04.4 isn't any more stable (across multiple users) than the recent betas. No, I can't confirm that. For me the 2.04.4 works very fine I wouldn't expect you could confirm that if you are not having problems. But I also don't expect that *everyone* is having problems. However, I do think something is seriously wrong when at least 8 different people can reproduce Access Violations with the View Mode problem that has existed for awhile. It's one thing for a beta to do this. Quite another for something billed as an official release - especially considering the fiasco with the Christmas Edition. I must say thanks to Stefan and his team for the good work. I don't deny that Stefan and his team are doing good work. But perhaps they should be doing great work? At least great/better testing, IMO. I know it's easy to fawn over such a great program and be hesitant to criticize. But I think we should maintain high expectations for such a great product, and respect the developers enough to be unyieldingly critical. Frankly, I'm a bit baffled at the problems *regular* users (not beta testers) are experiencing with the upgrade. I hope someday I can actually experience The Bat! v2 with an acceptable level of problems/glitches... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Ken Green, [KG] wrote: KG Frankly, I'm a bit baffled at the problems *regular* users (not KG beta testers) are experiencing with the upgrade. KG I hope someday I can actually experience The Bat! v2 with an KG acceptable level of problems/glitches... While I do agree, in general, with what you're saying, and my past messages on TBBETA will reflect this, there are not many applications where you'll not read users having problems with applications, and great ones at that. It should be interesting to see if users who tried none of the pre-release versions experience. This release is far better than its predecessor which had glaring problems that not only a few experienced, but that everyone could reproduce. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View all affiliated messages?
Hi Batophiles, Was there once a method to view a group of messages which are related to one another - all together in a pane - such as: Message 1, replies to message 1, who was forwarded message 1, or one of the replies to any of the replies to message 1. Clear as mud? I thought there was something like this, or did I dream it? -- Thanks for replies, Maggie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View all affiliated messages?
Mm Meister, [MM] wrote: MM Was there once a method to view a group of messages which are MM related to one another - all together in a pane - such as: Message MM 1, replies to message 1, who was forwarded message 1, or one of MM the replies to any of the replies to message 1. Clear as mud? MM I thought there was something like this, or did I dream it? I think you dreamt it. :) I can't help you with the forwarding but what helps me at times is to do a search on the id for the original message. This will show all replies to the original messages, if all the clients used offer headers for threading. I do see what you're referring to being useful though. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View all affiliated messages?
Was there once a method to view a group of messages which are related to one another - all together in a pane - such as: Message 1, replies to message 1, who was forwarded message 1, or one of the replies to any of the replies to message 1. Clear as mud? Are you thinking of Alt-Click on the Subject in the message list -- gives you all messages with that subject (including replies and forwards)? -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View all affiliated messages?
Hello Allie, Monday, February 23, 2004, 9:17:46 PM, you wrote: AM Mm Meister, [MM] wrote: MM Was there once a method to view a group of messages which are MM related to one another MM I thought there was something like this, or did I dream it? AM I think you dreamt it. :) :) Probably. AM I can't help you with the forwarding but what helps me at times is to AM do a search on the id for the original message. This will show all AM replies to the original messages, if all the clients used offer AM headers for threading. Thank you, I will keep this method in mind for future. In this case, I was trying to find all the people to whom I forwarded the message, preventing duplication. AM I do see what you're referring to being useful though. Do you think it would be a subject for a feature request? -- Thanks again, Maggie Using The Bat! version 1.62r mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WinXP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View all affiliated messages?
Mm Meister, [MM] wrote: MM Do you think it would be a subject for a feature request? Sure. I'd back you up on it. Just be sure to send the Bugtraq URL for the request. So many entries to wade through. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View all affiliated messages?
Hello Tim, Monday, February 23, 2004, 9:28:38 PM, you wrote: Was there once a method to view a group of messages which are related to one another - all together in a pane - T Are you thinking of Alt-Click on the Subject in the message list -- gives T you all messages with that subject (including replies and forwards)? My keyboard may be non-standard. I use a Toshiba Satellite laptop. The Alt-Click does change the display, showing only the parent message in question, but does not show the forwarded messages or reply. That Alt+Click does not appear to be a toggle, and I had a great pause and a large heartthump when all the other messages disappeared, until I got to the View|Display|All. Definitely a heart-stopper. Thanks for the reply. It is possible I remembered this from before I switched to the laptop as my primary machine. -- Regards, Maggiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: View all affiliated messages?
Mm Meister, [MM] wrote: MM My keyboard may be non-standard. I use a Toshiba Satellite laptop. MM The Alt-Click does change the display, showing only the parent MM message in question, but does not show the forwarded messages or MM reply. This method will work only if you store your replies and forwards in the same folder that the original message resides. Most will have the sent messages in their Sent folder. Forwards may very well have a different message subject as well, and alt-clicking the subject of the original message will display only those messages in the message list that have the same subject header. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Using TB! v2.04.4 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: View all affiliated messages?
Hello Allie, Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:04:39 PM, you wrote: AM Mm Meister, [MM] wrote: MM The Alt-Click does change the display, showing only the parent MM message in question, but does not show the forwarded messages or MM reply. AM This method will work only if you store your replies and forwards in AM the same folder that the original message resides. Most will have the AM sent messages in their Sent folder. Yes. All of the forwards in my case do have their own folders. The reply to the parent message remained in the Inbox Sent folder. AM Forwards may very well have a different message subject as well, and AM alt-clicking the subject of the original message will display only AM those messages in the message list that have the same subject header. Yes, as some of mine did. Understood now. -- Thanks again, Maggiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Allie Martin wrote: While I do agree, in general, with what you're saying, and my past messages on TBBETA will reflect this, there are not many applications where you'll not read users having problems with applications, and great ones at that. Allie... I think you are too nice! ;) True, there appears to be few mail clients that can properly handle IMAP, and I am well aware that no software can be 100% bug-free. I belong to a number of lists and/or forums directly related to the software solutions I use, and it is true that users experience problems on all of them. But that does not mean I (or anyone else) should not complain when something doesn't work as advertised. Feature requests are one thing. Not performing as promised (including Access Violations) is quite another. Let's keep perspective here. I am in no way saying that The Bat is all bad or that Stefan or RitLabs are terrible or anything like that. In fact, I continue to complain about TB's performance because I do plan on using TheBat well into the future. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother. Go check the PocoMail forum. I tried it out, complained a bit about things I felt were important, then let it go and will likely not look back for some time. I honestly felt like Poco was too far removed from what I wanted (features and stability) to wait around. I think TB is really close. Probably as close to perfect (for me) that a software app could be. I stick with TheBat because I *WANT* it work. Really bad... :) This release is far better than its predecessor which had glaring problems that not only a few experienced, but that everyone could reproduce. I don't doubt that this release in better than its predecessor. IT SHOULD BE!!! Why is that thrown out so often when people complain about the latest version? Look through the archives You will read some variation of that response over and over again following critical posts. At what point does that not matter? If I purchase a software app that suddenly deletes all the contents from my hard drive when I run it, should I be happy that the new version only deletes directories with an L in their name? (silly extreme example, I know...) But what is the measuring stick? Seriously, I'm quite happy that TheBat is improving. But this isn't freeware. I bought and paid for an e-mail client that I am currently unable to use. And I am unable to use it because it does not deliver on what it is *supposed* to do. It's not working. As I've stated, I'm willing to wait. But not quietly... ;) I think it's important to remember that updated software is supposed to improve. Later releases are supposed to be better-tested than their predecessors. I know that this isn't always the case (and some apps have been ruined by a new version) but I think it's fair to expect it. I think it's fair to hold RitLabs and The Bat to high standards. It's a great product. But it should work as advertised. And as long as new versions are getting released, I expect TB to continue getting greater. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 11:22:15 AM, Mark wrote: M When I installed 2.04.4 over 2.01.3 the installation M routine presented a default folder for install, which M I assumed to be the current installation folder. M However, the default folder presented was M c:/program files/TheBat M The 2.01.03 default installation had been to M c:/program files/The Bat (note the space) Interesting. I just (!) upgraded to 2.04.4 from 2.01.3 and have also just confirmed I have the search bug. However, I do not have multiple install directories. I think, serious though the double install problem is, it maybe a red herring in the search issue. I think RIT need to publish a fix for this pronto. Everybody should *not* be expected to employ the fix described here (but kudos to they who found the fix). Surely, the nature of this beast suggests that there is a file in 2.03 that is needed in 2.04? -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Ken Green, [KG] wrote: KG Allie... I think you are too nice! ;) I don't. KG I belong to a number of lists and/or forums directly related to KG the software solutions I use, and it is true that users experience KG problems on all of them. Exactly. KG But that does not mean I (or anyone else) should not complain when KG something doesn't work as advertised. Indicate that something doesn't work vs complaining? :) There is a difference, and I guess this is where we're having our disagreement which is OK. I'm just sharing how I personally feel. KG Feature requests are one thing. Not performing as promised KG (including Access Violations) is quite another. I'm not sure what you mean by writing 'performing as promised'. What promises were made? No software developer will promise that bugs will not exist in their software. KG Let's keep perspective here. Right. :) KG I am in no way saying that The Bat is all bad or that Stefan or KG RitLabs are terrible or anything like that. I never really thought so. :) KG In fact, I continue to complain about TB's performance because I KG do plan on using TheBat well into the future. If I didn't, I KG wouldn't bother. KG Go check the PocoMail forum. No thanks. :) I'll take your word on what you have to say about it. :) KG I think TB is really close. Probably as close to perfect (for me) KG that a software app could be. KG I stick with TheBat because I *WANT* it work. Really bad... :) Same here. Things are being ironed out nicely. I'm patiently waiting. :) Of course, patiently waiting doesn't mean that I'll not continue to post my experiences with buggy behaviour as well as limitations in current functionality. KG I don't doubt that this release in better than its predecessor. IT KG SHOULD BE!!! Why is that thrown out so often when people complain KG about the latest version? Perhaps because they don't agree that there are grounds to be *complaining* in general or *complaining* about a particular feature/point. :) As I wrote above, I think there's a difference between reporting odd/buggy behaviour as opposed to complaining. Complaining usually implies frustration and losing ones patience. It implies that the other party is unreasonable or hasn't been keeping up their side of an agreement. OTOH, though this release has its share of problems and bugs, I do feel that it's the end result of great work from the Ritlabs development team. They listened to their beta testers and dealt with many problems/bugs. They have promised to add more features and solve more issues with upcoming releases. Though I'm still far from completely comfortable with TB!'s current status, especially since I use an IMAP account to manage mail, I am satisfied with the current progress and that there are indeed efforts being made to improve current IMAP functionality. It's already far better than when I first started using it. Folder compression solved. Non-functioning Maintenance Centre solved Badly functioning server side outbox solved. Problematic message deleting solved Moving/copying messages across IMAP accounts solved There are other fixes. Again, I repeat that there are still problems and lacking features but things have been progressing so I don't feel like complaining. :) KG Look through the archives You will read some variation of that KG response over and over again following critical posts. KG At what point does that not matter? I guess my last couple paragraphs answer that. Of course, what triggers complaining is all subjective. I see no reason for complaining, while you do. However, I do see that there's a problem with the search function with some configurations and this should be reported and hopefully sorted out soon. Maybe I should stick in my disclaimer here: The fact that I don't personally see grounds for complaining doesn't mean that I'm asking you or others not to complain if *you* so desire. Just be prepared to read the dittos or disagreements like mine. :) KG If I purchase a software app that suddenly deletes all the KG contents from my hard drive when I run it, should I be happy that KG the new version only deletes directories with an L in their name? KG (silly extreme example, I know...) Yeah, so it's difficult to answer what doesn't really exist now. KG Seriously, I'm quite happy that TheBat is improving. But this KG isn't freeware. I bought and paid for an e-mail client that I am KG currently unable to use. And I am unable to use it because it does KG not deliver on what it is *supposed* to do. It's not working. I'm not, and will unlikely ever be, sympathetic to this line of argument. No one forced you to purchase TB! and you really should ensure that it works for you before doing so (I'm sure it originally worked for you). The fact that you purchased it doesn't mean that it now *has to* or should always be made to work for you. Our needs often change and we need new functionality to the point where what used to work no longer does or
IMAP account: backup and restore.
Hello Batmans! One of the weakest place of IMAP approach from my viewpoint is probability to lose remote message base. In fact we have no direct access to files of some host with IMAP server. Well... TB2 has a backup|restore tools... That CAN backup IMAP folder (in fact it's local folders FULLY synchronized with remote folders on IMAP server) so it can be good solution BUT... TB2 restores messages into the local cache NO MORE and don't post that restored messages in remote IMAP folders. Have i missed something, or it's documented feature :((( of TB2 ? Your sincerely registered, Sasha. Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hi Martin, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 12:08:24 AM, you wrote: No, I can't confirm that. For me the 2.04.4 works very fine (also the Spamfilter BayesIt which is included in that distribution. I can't get it to kick in. I'm not sure what I've done wrong, tried to follow the instructions. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder View Modes
Hello Anne, Monday, February 23, 2004, 9:41:52 AM, Anne wrote: A Can someone please explain how these wretched things are supposed A to work before I give up and go back to an earlier version in A despair?! I would search the messages to see if this has been A covered before... but my Search function _isn't_ working either!!! A sigh ,- [ Per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I stated ] | I am no expert on View Modes (VM), but I'll give it a shot. As I | understand it you have 3 places where you can apply VM. | | 1 Main Window | | 2 View Folder FolderName of AcctName | | 3 Browse Ticker Messages | | In the *Main Window* the view mode applied to the selected folder can be | either different (i.e. independent) of other folders or the same (i.e. | dependent). From TB main window when View | Global View Mode | *none* is | selected the the VM for each folder are independent (i.e. different). | From TB main window when View | Global View Mode | one of *View Modes | other than none* is selected the VM for each folder in the main window | is dependent (i.e. same) because it is now global. IOW you have selected | to use a VM globally across all folders. If you applying VMs | independently (i.e. View | Global View Mode | *none* is selected), then | you can change the VM for each window a couple of different ways. They | are as follows: | | 1 in the main window in the message list pane right mouse click one |of the column headers and select choice in 2nd grouping | | 2 in the main window in the folder pane right mouse click the |folder | Folder View Mode | and select choice in 2nd grouping | | 3 in the main window in the folder pane right mouse click the |folder | properties | select Use view mode VMname for column |settings | | In the *View Folder FolderName of AcctName* whatever VM was the last VM | selected when you had View Folder of FolderName of AcctName open will be | the next VM used when you open another folder. | | In the *Browse Ticker Messages* the VM is independent of the other 2 | places where you can apply VMs. | | This is how View Modes are working for me now. I'm not sure this is how | they are suppose to work. After experiencing the learning curve here it | does make sense to me now. | | HTH! `- I actually found out 2 more areas for view modes 4 Message Finder 5 Browse Deleted Messages Once you understand, view modes are actually nice. I thought I'd send to TBUDL, so others do not have the same frustration as I've had figuring view modes out. HTH! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder View Modes
Hello Greg, Monday, February 23, 2004, 9:59:33 AM, Greg Strong wrote: GS | dependent). From TB main window when View | Global View Mode | *none* is ^ No View Mode Changed in subsequent BETAs. Sorry! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wishlist: Allow attchments button on left of header pane
Hello all, Attachments pane can be placed top/bottom or right/left of the message pane, but when hidden to button it is placed on the right (far right) of the header pane. It would be much more visible if it could be placed on the left, like in this composition: http://perso.wanadoo.es/murech/s_dumps/View_button.gif Obviously, I am asking only for the option of placing it on the left or right. If you'd like to support this wish, please go to: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002593 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.04.4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
quoting Allie Martin: KG Allie... I think you are too nice! ;) A I don't. That was mostly in jest, but after reading your points about complaining vs. indicating where a problem is, I feel we may be at risk of sinking in semantics. KG But that does not mean I (or anyone else) should not complain when KG something doesn't work as advertised. A Indicate that something doesn't work vs complaining? :) There is a A difference, and I guess this is where we're having our disagreement A which is OK. I'm just sharing how I personally feel. I know MANY people that would define pointing out that something doesn't work *IS* complaining. Where you draw the line is very subjective. Personally, I think pointing out problems, indicating there are things that don't work, reporting bugs, etc. are all forms of complaining. That may be arguing semantics, but I think its important to realize that reading over my post that you responded to, I didn't get the feeling it was from someone who wanted to bad-mouth The Bat or see RitLabs besmirched. A I'm not sure what you mean by writing 'performing as promised'. A What promises were made? No software developer will promise that bugs A will not exist in their software. KG Let's keep perspective here. A Right. :) Well, then don't make silly/unnecessary statements. :) Do you really think it was necessary to write No software developer will promise that bugs will not exist in their software ?? I made it very clear that I know software isn't going to be bug-free. When I talk about working as promised I am talking about release notes that claim things have been fixed, features listed on the website, etc. The Bat is purported to be an IMAP-capable e-mail client. Your posts alone challenge that one quite a bit. KG I stick with TheBat because I *WANT* it work. Really bad... :) A Same here. Things are being ironed out nicely. I'm patiently waiting. A :) Of course, patiently waiting doesn't mean that I'll not continue to A post my experiences with buggy behaviour as well as limitations in A current functionality. You mean complain?!? Six of one, half dozen of the other. KG I don't doubt that this release in better than its predecessor. IT KG SHOULD BE!!! Why is that thrown out so often when people complain KG about the latest version? A Perhaps because they don't agree that there are grounds to be A *complaining* in general or *complaining* about a particular A feature/point. :) As I wrote above, I think there's a difference A between reporting odd/buggy behaviour as opposed to complaining. I don't think there's a difference, really. Yes, I can see that expressing my unhappiness and/or frustration without listing specifics might be dismissed as unnecessary complaining, but I think it's valid. RitLabs needs to know if its user base is unhappy (my opinion, of course). I also think it's a little weird how this sense of loyalty seems to surface on lists when something is criticized. I've always felt that something that is truly good (and I think TB is) will stand on its own merit and not need defending. My recent (complaining) messages were prompted mostly from reading other people's experiences. I continue to use 1.62r on my main computer and have not had time to keep beta-testing on my laptop (and I think after reading about the issues recently posted, installing 2.04.4 is more beta-testing). I got Access Violations almost immediately after installing 2.04.4. That wasn't a big deal at first - again I know apps cannot be perfect. Frustrating, yes. But I figured it might be my particular configuration. Then I started reading about a lot more people experiencing AVs. This was a release version. And I read about some of the other problems people are experiencing - people who are not beta-testers. And I didn't want to just be quiet about it. I don't need to prove my intentions, but I know that I want RitLabs and The Bat to succeed. I know that my motivation to complain is partly based in this desire. (The other part is that I'm a selfish, curmudgeon loud-mouth bastard. ;) A Complaining usually implies frustration and losing ones patience. It A implies that the other party is unreasonable or hasn't been keeping up A their side of an agreement. That is how you are interpreting the meaning of the word you used.* I'm really not upset at all. I posted my criticisms while very clear-headed and without any anger or malice whatsoever. I thought that was pretty clear in my post. * just as a side note, the two common definitions for the verb complain are as follows: 1. To express feelings of pain, dissatisfaction, or resentment. 2. To make a formal accusation or bring a formal charge. I don't think #2 is really that far from submitting a bug report... ;) A OTOH, though this release has its share of A problems and bugs, I do feel that it's the end result of great work A from the Ritlabs development team. They listened to their beta testers A
