The Bat and Mac computing
I am contemplating switching from a Windows machine to a Mac. However, I will need to run some windows-based software, so I would get something like VMware's Fusion that would allow me to do this. Has anyone used The Bat on a Mac, either directly, or using windows emulation software, such Fusion? If so, what has been your experience? Avi -- Avram Sacks Using The Bat! 4Ver. 4.0.18 with Windows XP Pro. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
sending mail to groups
Hi, Everyone, Is it possible to send mail to a group, using the group name in the To field, without The Bat expanding all addresses into the field when sending? The Help file suggests that this is not possible. I am not interested in personalizing the messages (at least, not at the moment). Rather, I want to know that if I send a mailing, say, to the Ways and Means committee, can it be sent in such a way that the recipients will see in the to field Ways and Means Committee rather than the individual e-mail addresses of each member? -- Avram Sacks using The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on Windows XP Pro, sp2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
cannot open messge base file from networked computer
Hi, everyone, Can you help me figure out why a networked computer is unable to open my primary account's inbox? Here is my setup: Two computers, both running XP Pro, are on a local wireless network (802.11b). The desktop is connected to the router by an ethernet cable while the laptop is connected wirelessly. The Bat's mail files reside on the desktop and enabled for full file sharing on Windows Explorer. The files are accessed by users of both the desktop and the laptop. Thus it is possible for the laptop user to download, read, write, and delete any e-mail. I have twelve e-mail accounts, coming from three different mail servers: gmail, a private domain, and my ISP's server. Because of the 60 ft, two-floor, distance between the laptop and the router (which cannot be moved), the laptop's connection to the network is slow, but it does work. This setup has worked fine for about five months. FWIW, the entire desktop is backed up on an external hard drive, nightly. Three full backups are on the external hard drive (full file backups, not imaged). However, increasingly, in recent weeks, the laptop occasionally fails to open up the inbox of my primary account which comes through the private domain, even though it can open up the sent and outbox folders as well as all other mailboxes, including those coming from the same server as the inbox of my primary account. On the desktop, this inbox is fully accessible, although, occasionally it will also appear blank-but I have always been able to repair it using the maintenance center. To try and repair the missing e-mail from my primary account's inbox when accessing mail from the laptop I have done the following: On the desktop, I opened up the maintenance center and ran a full repair of the entire Mail directory (checkmarking check integrity, remove duplicates, and compress). I have tried to do the same on the laptop. However, the maintanance center states for the problematic inbox, cannot open message base. I have checked the properties for the inbox while using the laptop to confirm that it is the same folder as that accessed by the e-mail client when using the desktop. Can you help me to troubleshoot this further? I don't know if file size has anything to do with this, but the inbox .tbb file is about 397 MB and the entire inbox is about 2.76GB. The entire primary account is 3.02 GB (file size is determined by right clicking on the folder in Windows Explorer and going to properties. The file size listings from within The Bat do not appear to be reliable. Any ideas as to what I can do to fix this? -- Avi Avram Sacks running The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on XP Pro SP2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: cannot open messge base file from networked computer
Hello tracer, Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:51:57 PM, you wrote in response to my problem about not being able to open up the message base file from a networked laptop:: t Sorry to ask but have you run a disk check? One is running on the laptop at this moment, and one will run on the desktop after sending this message. However, I did run a disk check using the XP utility and repaired some bad clusters just a few nights ago. Problem presented (again) AFTER the check. t Second question is if you have a spare Laptop hard disk (or usb disk) t so that you can see if with another disk drive the problem t disappears... No spare. t Third one is: Is it possible to test laptop out without t that 60m cable in between... Maybe your network is a bit flaky. When I have time I will bring laptop down to desktop and connect via ethernet cable to router to eliminate network connection issues. I don't know if file size has anything to do with this, but the inbox .tbb file is about 397 MB and the entire inbox is about 2.76GB. The entire primary account is 3.02 GB (file size is determined by right clicking on the folder in Windows Explorer and going to properties. The file size listings from within The Bat do not appear to be reliable. t Do you really need all that data permanently accessible??? Well, the message file (the .TBB file?) itself is only 394 MB. However, there are a bunch of other files, each with 393 to 486 MB. I don't know what they are, but they are listed as: bat275c.tmp 393MB messages.bck 446 MB messages.bk0 486 MB messages bk1 392 MB messages bk2 392 MB messages bk3 393 MB messages ib0 17kb messages ib1 18 kb messages ib2 17kb messages ib3 17kb messages ibk 17kb messages.tbb 394 MB messages.tbi1 MB part0001.bin 1 MB part0002.bin 5 MB part0003.bin 500 kb I am assuming all of the bk files are backup files. They all have different dates.I could delete all but the most recent one, but I am not sure that would solve my problem. -- Avi Avram Sacks Running The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on XP Pro sp2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to recover missing inbox mail on 2nd computer
Hi, everyone. This is a great list and I am hoping that someone can help me recover missing inbox mail on one of two computers. I use The Bat on two computers, a desktop and a laptop. The two computers are connected on a network through a wireless router. The Bat was originally installed on the desktop. This summer, I installed The Bat on the laptop but set up account preferences such that all mail data remains on the desktop. In other words, both the laptop and the desktop read, download and edit mail from files that reside on the desktop. Essentially, the desktop functions as a mail server for both the desktop and the laptop. I have 13 mail accounts and all appear on both machines. My primary account, the one that I use for personal correspondence to family and friends, has about 2100 messages in it and occupies about 450,000MB of space. Yesterday, something happened during an operation (either download, or exit) that resulted in all mail disappearing from the inbox of my primary e-mail account on both machines, except that one message did remain on the desktop. When I tried to open the message, the maintenance center opened up and prompted me for repair of the mail accounts. I selected the inbox for the account with missing mail, and after the process ran, the missing mail--apparently all of it--returned. I was not so fortunate with the laptop. I tried to use the maintenance center to restore the lost mail, but the process finished without recovering any mail. When I look in Account/properties, the pop up dialogue box automatically points to the same data file that is used by the desktop; however, there is something going on that is keeping me from seeing the e-mail, even though that same file does allow me to view the e-mail on the desktop. Can anyone give me a step-by-step procedure that will restore the missing mail on to my desktop? Thanks, in advance, for your help. -- Avram Sacks Using The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on XP Professional SP2 on both laptop and desktop Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: How to recover missing inbox mail on 2nd computer - problem solved!
Moments after sending the e-mail, copied, in part, below, I returned to the errant inbox, only to see it populate with the missing messages right before my eyes. This is curious since it did not so populate after running the maintenance center process. However, after going to a different account and then clicking back, something was triggered that allowed the list to populate. (By the way, in the last line of my first note, I referred, in err, to the desktop; I had meant to write Can anyone give me a step-by-step procedure that will restore the missing mail on to my laptop? Hopefully, that advice will no longer be needed. -- Avram Sacks Using The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on XP Professional SP2 on both laptop and desktop This is a forwarded message From: Achdut18 achdu...@gmail.com To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 3:17:19 AM Subject: How to recover missing inbox mail on 2nd computer ===8==Original message text=== Hi, everyone. This is a great list and I am hoping that someone can help me recover missing inbox mail on one of two computers. *** [snip] Can anyone give me a step-by-step procedure that will restore the missing mail on to my desktop? Thanks, in advance, for your help. ===8===End of original message text=== Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Seeing double: Home networks and The Bat!
Roelof Otten's advice on Sept 16 about how to enable multiple users on a pc to use the same mail directory made me think that the same advice would work for multiple computers on a home network. So, following that advice I was able to get The Bat! on our wireless laptop to see, store, and download the same e-mail seen, stored, and downloaded by the desktop (on whose hard drive the mail directory resides.) Unfortunately, if mail is downloaded on computer A, while TB is open on computer B, or vice versa, a subsequent download by the second machine will result in TWO copies of each newly downloaded e-mail appearing on the second machine. However, if TB is first closed and then opened, the newly downloaded mail will magically without duplicates. Can anyone help me fix this? -- Avi Avram Sacks Using TB ver. 4.18 on Windows XP Pro SP2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Seeing double: Home networks and The Bat!
Hello Roelof, Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:17:54 PM, you wrote in response to my query about duplicate messages being downloaded to a laptop on a homework that has just been set up as the second networked computer to have TB! running: RO You wouldn't have configured that TB leaves the mail on the server for RO some time, would you? Otherwise messages that are downloaded will be RO deleted by the server. Yes! That must be it. I had been leaving it on the server for 14 days after download. I just changed the setting and I would imagine that what you suggested is correct. No time to test at the moment, but I bet that that is it! As always, Thanks. -- Avi Avram Sacks using The Bat! 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro sp2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Hi, everyone, How does one move a mail account from one user to another? Here are the details: Let's say there are two users, A and B, on a computer, each with their own Windows account. Each has administrator privileges and can access the other account. User B has always had The Bat! running and has, say, five different mail accounts within The Bat! User A had always used The Bat! by logging in to user B. However, one week ago, a sixth, separate mail account was created for user A within User A's Windows account in a copy of The Bat! that was created within A Windows account. Only that one mail account appears within that running of The Bat! All other mail accounts, but not the newly created account for User A appear within the instance of The Bat! that runs within B's Windows account. After one week, user A decided that she would prefer to have her separate mail account as part of the list found on The Bat! running within B's Window account and no longer wishes to have that separate mail account running in The Bat! within her own Window's account. What is the best way to move that account? Can I move it from within Windows Explorer from one copy of The Bat! to another? Is there a more elegant way? If trying to do this would create more problems, such as conflict errors, etc., I can just delete the account from The Bat! running in A's Window account and re-create it in The Bat! running within B's user account since there is only one mail message that would be lost, and the message is not critical. However, I would like to know if there is a more elegant method for future reference, as well. Also, it would keep me from having to reset all of the account properties if I could do it more elegantly. Thanks. -- Avram Sacks The Bat Home Edition ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro, SP2. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Synchronization revisited (or two user synchronization)
Hi, everyone, First, I would like to thank everyone who responded to my queries about synchronization of two separate installations of The Bat. The help and information provided by the moderators and other list members on this, and other questions, is invaluable. After posting my original query about how to synchronize The Bat on two separate computers, I went back through my personal archive of Bat mail and read every post on synchronization since January 2002. (As an aside: as a testament to The Bat's speed and functionality, I was able to quickly sort and pull up every message that had the letter grouping sync anywhere in the message. Since the search was on my hard drive, this search took not more than a minute or two, at most. From past experience, I know that it would have taken me 15-20 minutes to perform the same search at my office, where all mail is in Outlook on a heavily used server located across the country.) It seems to me that in most situations involving synchronization that were discussed on the list, there is a single user. Thus, synchronizing two computers to the most recent file is not an issue. However, where, as in my case, there are TWO users on two separate computers, true synchronization is more difficult since the more recent file may not necessarily include actions performed on the other computer. A clear example is where user A downloads e-mail on to computer A and then deletes some of it. User B subsequently downloads e-mail on to computer B and deletes none, but is likely to delete what A deleted, only at a later time. If synchronization occurs prior to when B deletes the same mail that A deleted, I think most synchronization programs would restore to A the mail that had already been deleted on A if synchronization goes from B to A. On the other hand, if it goes from computer A to B, then the same problem can also occur, depending upon who downloaded and deleted first. Unless a synchronization program is able to identify which e-mails have already been read and deleted, there is great potential for the mail box on A, in my example, to become clogged with mail copied from computer B that user A had already deleted on computer A. In order for both computers to be up to date, I would want to synchronize, automatically, overnight. (Which can be done with 3rd party software, I don't know if it can also be done with The Bat's own synchronization program.) The best solution would be IMAP. But, my mail file is already at 2.6 GB. Although gmail would accommodate this, not all of my mail is through my g-mail account. Personal and business mail is through a private domain on another server, and for security purposes, I am uncomfortable with leaving personal and business correspondence on an outside server. (The provider has a 1 GB limit for their most expensive option--too small for my purposes, anyway.) That leads me back to POP3. Since I don't know how a synchronization program could keep track of which mail has already been deleted on a computer and keep from copying back to that computer such mail from the other computer, it seems to me that the next best solution would be to do what a few here have suggested, which is to download e-mail separately on to both computers, but BCC any mail sent in order to make sure that each computer has on it all sent mail from both computers. This means that read/unread identifiers for a given message will not be identical on both machines, and, it also means that some mail deleted on one, may not be deleted on the other. This is not perfect, but it isn't critical. If I BCC to myself every sent e-mail from each of my accounts, that leads to two questions: 1. Is it possible to program The Bat to automatically BCC to myself every e-mail sent? 2. Since BCC'ing to myself every e-mail sent will create duplicates of that e-mail on the originating computer, what rule or filter can I create that will automatically delete the BCC'd item from the originating computer. There appears to be no BCC field in the filter's parameters. Moderators: Are these questions more appropriate for TBTECH? If so, I'll join and post there. -- Avram Sacks Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on XP Professional SP2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Synchronization revisited (gmail/imap/pop)
For those who have been following this thread, in a post that I just sent, I concluded that where two users are involved, the best synchronization solution appeared to me to be that I should allow mail to remain on the server for a period of time, perform separate downloads on each computer, and BCC to myself every piece of outgoing mail. Unfortunately, I have just discovered that while this works for the servers on which I have non-gmail accounts, this is not working with my g-mail accounts. Even though I have set account properties in The Bat on BOTH computers to leave mail on the server for 14 days, the first computer to download from the gmail server, is the one that gets the mail since the last download by either of the two computers. The second computer to download will only pick up newer mail, and not the mail downloaded by the first computer. I checked my gmail settings and discovered that I have IMAP enabled for each of my g-mail accounts and nothing is checked in the POP download section of the settings area. Since I only keep listserv mail in gmail, I never want that mail deleted from the gmail servers. So, how should I configure those settings so that The Bat will be able to download the mail to both computers? -- Avram Sacks Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on XP Pro sp2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Test - please delete
This is a test, only. Please delete. -- Avram Sacks Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Test 5
This is a test. Please delete -- Avram Sacks Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Synchronization revisited (gmail/imap/pop)
Hi, Stuart, From: Stuart Cuddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 1:04 PM Stuart Cuddy wrote: A reminder of what Achdut18 typed on: Friday, April 11, 2008 at 12:54:10 GMT -0500 A Even though I have set account properties in The Bat on BOTH A computers to leave mail on the server for 14 days, the first computer to A download from the gmail server, is the one that gets the mail since the last A download by either of the two computers. The second computer to download will A only pick up newer mail, and not the mail downloaded by the first computer. I A checked my gmail settings and discovered that I have IMAP enabled for each of A my g-mail accounts and nothing is checked in the POP download section of the A settings area. Since I only keep listserv mail in gmail, I never want that A mail deleted from the gmail servers. So, how should I configure those A settings so that The Bat will be able to download the mail to both computers? You need to recreate those accounts in The Bat as IMAP accounts. Then you can do what is the best way to go anyway. IMAP rules. (When it works right). :) OK. I just tried to reset the protocol for this acccount from POP3 to IMAP4. However, the Bat produced an error message that said: Cannot change protocol to IMAP4. Create a new account instead. Well, I don't want to create a new account. This account is subscribed to over a half a dozen listservs. If I have to change the account, that means rejoining each of these listervs, changing filters, etc. Is there an easier way to do this? Note also Dwights reply that you don't need to keep all you files on the IMAP account. You can download to your hard drive and archive them, then delete them off the IMAP server. BTW, I actually find that The Bat's IMAP seems to work best for me with my Gmail account. OK. I am not understanding something. I thought the whole point of IMAP was that you LEFT mail on the server so that it was accessible to multiple computers. Besides, I want to be able to access this mail via a web browser when I am not tethered to one of my computers. -- Avram Sacks using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro, sp2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hi, everyone. On Sunday, March 30, 2008, 4:53:35 PM, Thomas wrote: DH Synchronisation is a three step process and so you don't want to be doing this on a DH daily basis. A Is it really that involved? TF This is how I have been synchronising for years: TF Each outgoing mail is BCC'ed to myself. This way, not only the TF incoming but also the outgoing mails are on each computer on which I TF check them. TF TB! is on each computer is set to leave messages on the server, albeit TF it is possible to set one computer to a number of days ... TF IMAP or webmail are no option for me due to unreliable and somewhat TF slow internet connections. ... After thinking through, further, about how I want to use the laptop and desktop, it makes most sense to me to have mail on BOTH machines so that when I travel with the laptop, I am not confined to just whatever mail happens to be on the server. It also makes sense that I not use IMAP for several reasons: difficulties reported by some people, a friend who owns a computer repair/consulting business recommends against it, and I have found that the server-based e-mail system we use at the office (where we have T3 lines!!!) is often painfully slow. That brings us to the question of synchronization. Although The Bat offers a synchronization feature; after reading about this in the Help Topics, I assume that the feature only works if I have The Bat set up in IMAP, rather than POP3. Is this correct? If that is so, then, if I want to be able to download messages on the laptop as well as the desktop in a POP3 environment, I would have to be willing to live with not being able to see on one computer, what messages were read or not read on the other. Is that correct? Alternatively, could I set up The Bat on the laptop, but have it point to the mail directory on the desktop where the messages are kept, and merely copy that directory to my laptop when I travel with it, which is only a few times a year? If the answer to this is yes, how do I make an installation of The Bat on the laptop point to the mail directory on the desktop? Would this, then, obviate the need to blind BCC myself on every message sent from the laptop? And, if I do that, will downloads initiated from the laptop place mail in the mail directory on the desktop so long as I have the laptop's installation of The Bat point to the Mail folder located on the desktop? -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago Using The Bat 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro SP2. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Dwight, Friday, March 28, 2008, 5:58:31 PM, you wrote: DAC There is no reason why one cannot collect one's mail on both the DAC laptop and the desktop. Saves lots of trouble. Just need to bcc DAC yourself. DAC Better yet, switch to IMAP and leave POP behind. You'll be glad you DAC did. I don't use IMAP--at least not yet. If I understand it correctly, with IMAP, I would leave all of my mail on my ISP's server, and both the desktop and laptop could simultaneously access the mail. However, it seems to me that this would be constrained by how much space I am permitted to have on the ISP's mail server. My mail folder occupies about 635 MB of space. I also don't like the idea of leaving personal mail on an outside server. After reading all of the posts on this subject, It seems to me that I could do the following: download mail to either the laptop or the desktop, but then use the synchronization feature of The Bat to make sure that both machines have the same mail on their hard drives. Would this also work to automatically copy to the laptop all of the mail on the desktop, the first time I invoke synchronization on the laptop? Thanks, Avram Sacks Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Doug, Sunday, March 30, 2008, 3:31:59 PM, you wrote: DH Hello Achdut18, DH Sunday, March 30, 2008, 7:25:17 AM, you wrote: A After reading all of the posts on this subject, It seems to me that I A could do the following: download mail to either the laptop or the A desktop, but then use the synchronization feature of The Bat to make A sure that both machines have the same mail on their hard drives. A Would this also work to automatically copy to the laptop all of the A mail on the desktop, the first time I invoke synchronization on the A laptop? DH Synchronisation is a three step process and so you don't want to be doing this on a DH daily basis. Is it really that involved? DH The solution I have used for a long time was to use TheBat Voyager on a memory stick. DH I could carry it with me between work and home. But, I don't want to carry it with me so much, as I want to use it at home, in two different offices, on two different computers (the main or desktop computer and the second or laptop computer DH I've stopped using Voyager for now until version 4 is released. It is released because I just installed it! DH Then I will probably DH continue with Voyager after I get the tiniest USB device I can find. Since I have a DH small laptop, I don't want something big sticking out the side of it. But Voyager DH is by far the best way to keep email with you no matter what machine you're on. But, I don't see that working for me so much if I already have two computers linked together on a network. -- Avram Sacks Using (finally!) The Bat 4.0.1.8 on Windows XP Pro SP2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
cleaning up old folders; .TBB .TBI files
Hi, everyone, I am in the process of cleaning up old mail files, and in some cases I have deleted a folder and all of its contents within the TB mail client; however, in Windows Explorer, I can still see the folder as a subdirectory within The Bat! file directory. Those folders contain messages.tbi and messages.tbb. Are these some kind of back up files? If so, is it possible to safely delete these files and the parent folder without causing the program to choke or be stuck? None of the mail being deteleted is anything for which I would ever want to go back and dig up. -- Avi Chicago, IL Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
mailing to a group name
How do I send e-mail to a group with only the group name showing up in the to field? I set up, as a folder in my address book, a group of 26 addresses. The folder is named cub scout pack. When I send a mailing to everyone in the folder, I would like for recipients to see only the name of the folder cub scout pack, without seeing the e-mail addresses to which the mailing is going. Is this possible? I couldn't find an explanation for this in the help files. Thanks. -- Avi Avram Sacks (Still) using The Bat ver. 1.62r on XP professional Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting up a super inbox
Hello Mary and everyone else who responded to my initial Q about setting up a super inbox that would hold all the inbox mail of several different e-mail accounts. Clearly this can be accomplished with both common as well as virtual folders. But, not for those among us tenaciously holding on to ver. 1.62r. Those of us living in the past must settle for the common folder. However, for my purposes, a virtual folder would have been the way to go as it would insure that replies would reflect the account that received the message to which I would be replying. It also would avoid adding unnecessary bytes of data to be stored to the pc's hard drive. I was all set to upgrade in order to get some virtual folders, until Mary wrote (at 7:56 a.m. on Monday, August 1): MB be aware that major changes to MB the User Interface have happened and that there's a bit of a learning MB curve. Further, some parts of those UI changes are still a work in MB progress, which complicates the learning curve a bit more. Ok. That didn't phase me. But then, she wrote: MB NB: If you are one who uses many filters or many keyboard shortcuts, MB you should be aware that those are not conserved in the upgrade. They MB will have to be redone, and with the new methods provided in the new MB User Interface. That phased me. I have dozens of folders into which mail is being sorted. The thought of spending time rekeying all those filters gives me pause. I will have to upgrade, but not at the moment as I just don't have the time to do all that rekeying. Once again, thanks to everyone for your suggestions and input. -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago using The Bat ver. 1.62r on MS XP pro. Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting up a super inbox
Hello Greg, To recap, my original question was on how to set up a super inbox that would contain within it, duplicates of inbox mail for several different e-mail accounts. Mary Bull suggested a common inbox, others suggested a virtual inbox. That seemed appealing to me because it would not take up additional disk space; however you and other have said my version of The Bat (1.62r) lacked virtual folder capability. (Perhaps a reason for me to finally upgrade, eh?) On Saturday, July 30, 2005, 10:30:45 AM, you wrote: GS Not to put a damper on your potential solution, but I don't believe GS virutual folders existed until after v1. I am looking at your GS signature line: What is a common folder and how does it differ from a virtual folder? If the common folder is a real folder into which mail is filtered, then, I would have to go back to my original thought of deleting mail from the common folder after so many days. I would assume that unlike a virtual folder, mail deleted from the common folder would not result in the same item being deleted from the original inbox that it was in. What return address does a reply from when sent from within a common inbox? -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting up a super inbox
Hello Thomas, A What is a common folder and how does it differ from a virtual A folder? TF That is something which was introduced in the 2.x series. TF With v1.x, you have only really one option: TF Create a dummy account and copy to the inbox of that one. I can actually create a common folder with my version--1.62r. That option is under folder and new common folder. What I want to know is: How do common folders differ from virtual ones? For example if I remove old messages from the common folder, will the original message remain in the original folder's inbox even if the copy is removed from the common folder that I designate to be a super inbox. -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago, IL Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
copying filters between mail accounts
Hi, everyone. Is it possible to copy filtering rules from one mail account to another mail account,or, must I recreate the individual rules for each filter in the second mail account? -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago, IL using The Bat ver. 1.62r on Windows XP Professional Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: copying filters between mail accounts
Hello Roelof, In response to my query about copying filtering rules from one mail account to another mail account, you wrote: RO Depends on what you want to do. *** RO When it's just a few filters you can copy them one at a time and paste RO them to your new account. *** I only want to copy a few of the filters from the old account to the new account. I will be dumping most of the remaining filters along with the old account. However, how do I copy them one at a time and paste them into the new account? The only copy option on the window for the filter, places a second copy of the same filter within the same account. Is copying and pasting filters a functionality available only on higher versions of The Bat? (I am using ver. 1.62r). -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago, IL using The Bat ver. 1.62r on Windows XP professional ver 5.1, SP2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
strange error messages upon execution of altF2
Hi, everyone. Now that I have several e-mail accounts from which to download e-mail, I have begun using the altF2 command, which downloads e-mail for all accounts. Unfortunately, I have experienced an application crash about 1/10 of the time when this command is executed. I have received two different types of error messages in pop-up windows: 1. System error. Code: 6. The handle is invalid. 2. External exception C008. Does anyone know why this is happening? -- Avi Avram Sacks using The Bat ver. 3 on Win XP professional ver. 5.1, sp2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
transport setting variations among ISPs
Hi everyone. Thanks to all who gave advice about setting up transport settings on The Bat for gmail. In the process of reorganizing my e-mail accounts by setting up several gmail accounts, several private domain accounts, and enabling The Bat to access long-standing accounts at Comcast.net that I previously accessed only through webmail, I have discovered that different transport settings are required. Whereas RCN and Comcast use ports 25 and 110, have regular connections for both outgoing and incoming mail, and do not require SMTP authentication for sending mail and only regular authentication for receiving mail, in order to send mail through my private domains, I must set the send mail settings to Secure to regular port (STARTTLS) and must set the authentication settings to Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554) and Use settings of mail retrieval. G-MAIL not only requires the secure to regular port setting for sending mail, but also requies the use of different ports for both sending and receiving mail and also requires the secure to dedicated port (TLS) setting in order to receive mail. Can anyone explain both the technical and practical (functional) difference between these settings and why these differences exist? Thanks. -- Avi Avram Sacks Using The Bat ver. 1.62r on XP professional Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
