Re: No MAPI support

[Thomas F]

Hello Mars,

On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 04:29:35 -02-30 GMT (01/08/2001, 12:28 +0800 GMT),
Mars Descent wrote:

MD>  >MD> Simple MAPI handler was not installed - TBMAPI.DLL is not found in the
MD>  >MD> program directory
MD>  >
MD>  >Well, if you made a full install of TB (which version are you using?),
MD>  >this is one of the files that should be in your TB directory.

MD> I have done a Find, and it is there!

Again: which version of TB are you using? If it difficult to help you
without tis info. If you used your TB on this list, we could see the
version number in the headers; otherwise, kindly provide rthis info in
your sig.

In older versions of TB, you had to run an "install mapi" command for
it. I did that, and since then I have no problems with mapi. In newer
versions, this is supposed to be not necessary; maybe something is
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Re: %Pagenumber

[Thomas F]

Hello Raj,

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:49:33 +0530 GMT (01/08/2001, 19:19 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> I also noticed something interesting. The page number is printed on the row which

R> "Archives   : " (I printed your msg as a test)

R> When  you  choose  right  alignment it is fine, however when one chooses left 
alignment it
R> gets over printed.

R> Bug ?

What printer are you using? - I am asking because, while I don't have
this problem, it has been reported and confirmed on the German list
that the p[age numbers are printed all over (like in the "middle"
(top/bottom) of the page). I understand Dieter has filed a bug report
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Re: system slow down...

[Thomas F]

Hello yap,

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:25:17 -0500 GMT (02/08/2001, 04:25 +0800 GMT),
sayap wrote:

s> Thanks for helps, I have regained the speed already :)
s> The Bat is simply The Best!

:-) Another tip: if you feel that your system is slowing down due to
the usage of TB, just close and re-opne TB. No need to reboot the
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Re: configure iPAQ for 'theBat' ??

[Thomas F]

Hello Ken,

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:59:36 +0100 GMT (01/08/2001, 18:59 +0800 GMT),
Ken Swain wrote:

KS>   I have just got hold of a Compaq iPAQ and would like to configure it
KS>   to sync with 'The Bat' rather than MS Outlook email.

Is it a palm device? Then it should sync the same way as the other
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Re: Archives Update

[Thomas F]

Hello Raj,

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:25:58 +0530 GMT (02/08/2001, 11:55 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> My question is whether this is normal, I mean is updation always one day behind 
?

It depends. Sometimes it's up-to-date. Sometimes some members receive
the postings with a day's delay. The archive is just another
subsbscriber to the list.

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Re: HTML graphics

[Thomas F]

Hello Bob,

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:23:03 -0400 GMT (02/08/2001, 12:23 +0800 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

jmc> Is there a way to configure TB! to display the graphics embedded in
jmc> incoming HTML messages? I don't know if I've set my preferences
jmc> incorrectly, but presently all images are being replaced by yellow
jmc> exclamation points.

If the graphics are being sent with the HTML "message" (note: messages
are text/plain; web pages, presentations and some newsletters are in
HTML), they will be displayed; otherwise, you will see the exclamation
marks. This is the so because we don't want TB to download stuff from
the internet.

In order to see the HTML in all its "glory", just double-click on the
attachment icon, and the HTML "message" will open in your favourite
browser, which will have no scruples to download anything (pictures,
trojans, or whatever links are embedded).

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Re: configure iPAQ for 'theBat' ??

[Thomas F]

Hello Nick,

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:29:09 -0700 GMT (02/08/2001, 13:29 +0800 GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

NA> I wasn't aware that you could synch your Palm with TB! without being
NA> some kind of Software Engineer. Are you saying you *can* easily sync TB!
NA> with a Palm device?

I don't know about "easily", but several people (including Stefan The
Wizzard) have succeeded. Check out the archives - or maybe the FAQ. I
don't have any computer that wouldn't need the top of a desk to rest
its monitor on, so I can't answer any detailled questions. ;-)

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Re: Possible Filter ?

[Thomas F]

Hello Raj,

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:29:38 +0530 GMT (02/08/2001, 13:59 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> Background  :  I  have a folder called TBUDL. I have setup a filter so that all 
messages I
R> send and recv are redirected to this folder.

R> What  I want to do is to delete my replies or posts once the message has been 
broadcasted.
R> In other words when I receive the reply/post the one I sent should get deleted.

I have only an Incoming filter for TBUDL, no Outgoing filter. Messages
I send stay in the Sent folder, and if they don't come in through the
list (so they appear in the TBUDL folder by virtue of the Incoming
filter), and can still resend from Sent.

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Re: No MAPI support

[Thomas F]

Hi Dierk,

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:25:24 +0200GMT (03/08/2001, 14:25 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> He once wrote - maybe off-list - of problems sending or receiving mail
DH> with TB!. So he has to use Eudora.

He should tell us about the problems, so we can solve them for him.

DH> I've nothing against that. Much more troubling I find these blanks
DH> before quotations I wrote two or three times about to him.

That is the reason why I suggested to use TB. ;-)

DH> I hope he'll find the correct option within Eudora to format them
DH> right ...

If Eudora is capable of that, I would appreciate it very much. :-)

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Re: Possible Filter ?

[Thomas F]

Hi Jan,

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:43:21 -0400GMT (03/08/2001, 01:43 +0800GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

Peter>> [...] one addition made: I do move sent messages to TB-MLs via 'outgoing
Peter>> mail' filter to a subfolder 'Sent' of my TB-ML-folders. That way I can easily
Peter>> find my sent messages to a specific ML _and_ resend them if
Peter>> necessary [...]

JR>   Couldn't this be easily be accomplished by clicking  on TBUDL
JR>   in the 'To' column of the sent folder? Less computing...

I agree with Jan here, as I also don't like to many folders to look
around in. However, it is certainly a matter of taste.

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Re: No MAPI support

[Thomas F]

Hi Mars,

On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:10:48 +00-02GMT (02/08/2001, 15:10 +0800GMT),
Mars Descent wrote:

MD>  >Again: which version of TB are you using? If it difficult to help you
MD>  >without tis info. If you used your TB on this list, we could see the
MD>  >version number in the headers; otherwise, kindly provide rthis info in

MD> Sorry.  Thought it wasn't necessary.  I use TB 1.53d, on Windows 98.  I 
MD> don't use it all the time posting because haven't figured a way to export 
MD> folders to other Windows clients.

OK, with this version of TB it should work. No problems over here.
Maybe someone who does have the problem could comment whether its
under the same version or other info, so we can find out what
problem-installations have in common.

And by the way, everybody may have his reason to use a mailer
full-time or not (I don't use anything but TB, so I don't need to move
folders around), but how about you use TB for this list? ;-)

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Re: Archives Update

[Thomas F]

Hello Marck,

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:22:54 +0100 GMT (03/08/2001, 21:22 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

CB>>  Is it possible you publish/send me the whole archive?

MDP> Not really. I've just had an off-list conversation with Januk and we
MDP> reckon that there's around 100mb of message data. That's 35000 TBUDL
MDP> messages, 1 TBBETA and 1000 each for TBTECH and TBOT. I don;t have
MDP> the bandwidth to transmit that kind of quantity.

Hey, c'mon a transponder isn't that expensive any more. Would take
you a mere second to transmit. Be a sport, would you?

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Re: Sending messages

[Thomas F]

Hello Marck,

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:11:21 +0100 GMT (03/08/2001, 21:11 +0800 GMT),
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

AL>> ... checking the SEND+RECEIVE Combined Delivery option in
AL>> Properties, and then configuring TB! go check mail every couple of
AL>> minutes. There has got to be another way... anyone?

MDP> That's about the size and shape of it and how I do it here.

Ditto. If there is anything in the Outbox, why not try and send it
whenever you check mail? If there is a problem with the SMTP server,
send attempts will be repeated as a side-effect. I think this is the
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Re: Duplicate Attachments

[Thomas F]

Hello Vince,

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 11:46:42 -0700 GMT (05/08/2001, 02:46 +0800 GMT),
Vince Beltz wrote:

VB> Unfortunately, "kill dupes" doesn't seem to work with attachments.
VB> Every couple of months, I spend an hour or so going through the Attach
VB> directories of all my accounts, manually deleting a few gigabytes'
VB> worth of orphaned duplicate attachments. Anyone out there found a
VB> better way of dealing with this?

Yes, I store attacments in message body. The function "store
attachments seperately" was an idea that didn't work out too well, and
is not being further developed, despite a few hickups still
persisting.

Another thing: TB is an excellent email client that threads by
reference. When you reply to someone else's message, your new message
appears somewhere down in the thread. Please hit the "new message"
button, not the "reply" button, when you want to start a new thread.
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Re: PGP Noise

[Thomas F]

Hello Vince,

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:07:23 -0700 GMT (05/08/2001, 10:07 +0800 GMT),
Vince Beltz wrote:

VB> Followup to my previous response - I've sent out probably twenty
VB> messages this afternoon, all manually signed by copying body text to
VB> the clipboard and signing via PGPTray (including this one). So far,
VB> not a single instance of the garbage characters I've been seeing when
VB> signing with The Bat. Something's wrong either with The Bat, or the
VB> plugin DLLs. Am I the only one that has ever seen this symptom?

No, this was a bug a few versions back. I wonder whether you have made
a full install of 1.53o (which will give you all the new help files,
DLL's, etc) or whether you have just copied the .exe over an old
install.

If you upgrade properly (full install over the current install), the
problem should go away.

PS: Please keep in mind to start a new thread with "new message"
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Re: The Bat! - bug report

[Thomas F]

Hi Ralf,

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:02:46 +0200GMT (06/08/2001, 18:02 +0800GMT),
Ralf Buschmann wrote:

RB>   The bug description:

RB>After clicking "Cancel" in connection center after sending mail
RB>directly from the message editor, I'm unable to send out any mail
RB>during this session. Trying to send out mail later results in message
RB>box "Nothing to send!", have to restart TB!.

I know I used to have this problem, and I think it helped when I
changed focus to another account, and back. But: I cannot reproduce it
any more! Each time I "delete task", and then try to send again, TB
will send the message as if there was no previous attempt.

RB>   Steps to reproduce the bug:

RB>- Write a new message (I have auto-save set to 60 seconds, wait until
RB>  message got auto-saved at least once - not sure if that matters)

No, I have never auto-saved.

RB>- Click the "Send" button in message editor
RB>- Click "Cancel" in connection center

There is a "delete task" button. I guess that is the one you mean?

RB>- Press Shift-F2

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Re: Advanced Filtering Questions

[Thomas F]

Hello Jimbo4,

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:26:28 -0400 GMT (06/08/2001, 21:26 +0800 GMT),
Jimbo4 - Adelphia wrote:

JA> OK... so I go to View / Display / Advanced Filtering.

I just did the same.

JA> Then I go to Header and tell it that I want to view the messages
JA> where the recipient's name contains "dutaint.com" .

I still follow you.

JA> But it only shows me the ones where dutaint.com is "visible". What
JA> I mean is the ones that are addressed to, say "Dierk Haasis" are
JA> not seen - but when you look at those messages in a message
JA> window, they show this in the To field: Dierk Haasis
JA> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Here it shows all messages that contain dutain.com in the header.

Maybe you mean your quote litarally and have actually typed in the
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Re: Advanced Filtering Questions

[Thomas F]

Hello Jimbo4,

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:48:07 -0400 GMT (07/08/2001, 01:48 +0800 GMT),
Jimbo4 - Adelphia wrote:

JA> No...
JA> What I am saying is.. well, take a look in TB in the message list area
JA> (upper right) where you sent your reply to me.  What I see in the TO column is
JA> "Jimbo4 - Adelphia on TBUDL".  But if I look in the bottom of the
JA> screen where the message itself is display (along with headers), the
JA> TO field shows:
JA> "Jimbo4 - Adelphia on TBUDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

JA> If I go into Advanced Filtering & tell it to display only those
JA> message the contain dutaint.com, this message is not included...

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Re: Move Folders

[Thomas F]

Hi Andriy,

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:59:29 +0300GMT (07/08/2001, 15:59 +0800GMT),
Andriy Kulchytskyy wrote:

AK> How can I move folders and all it's content into another folder ?

You can drag a folder by holding down the alt-key while you drag with
the mouse.

In order to make it a subfolder, drag with the shift and the alt-keys
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Re: Advanced Filtering Questions

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Hello Peter,

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:47:29 +0200 GMT (07/08/2001, 17:47 +0800 GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

TF>> It is included over here...

PP> Not here ...
PP> TB! has always behaved like this for me:
PP> "The Sender's name" _IS_ the senders NAME.

I tried it again. Preview pane. View / Display / Advanced / Sender
contains: dutaint.com

I noticed that not all, but about half of the messages of today are
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Re: TB! annoyingly maximising itself from the taskbar.

[Thomas F]

Hi Andrew,

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:46:01 +0100GMT (09/08/2001, 07:46 +0800GMT),
Andrew John Preater wrote:

AJP> Oops.  Yes, the subject line should read "system tray", the message
AJP> body is correct, the taskbar has presented no problems lately - like a
AJP> numpty I was half-looking at the taskbar while typing the subject and
AJP> it slipped in there.

Regardless - I cannot confirm the mysteriously maximising mammal. It
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Re: Reply-to email addresses

[Thomas F]

Hi Carren,

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:36:21 +1200GMT (09/08/2001, 16:36 +0800GMT),
Carren Stuart wrote:

CS> Is there a way I can alter the "reply to" email addy for
CS> individual outgoing emails, without having to manually alter my
CS> account properties "reply to" address? I am guessing that there is no
CS> way I can actually do that.

Of course. This is The fabulous furry flying Bat you're dealing with:

In the editor (when compsoing the amil or the reply), click on View.
You see a a lot of header items, click on Reply-To. You can change the
contents of now visible field to whatever you want. :-)

CS> Failing that, is there any way I can hide my reply to address in
CS> the header information?

Sure. Just don't fill in anything under Reply-To in the account
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Re: Reply-to email addresses

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Hi Carren,

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:15:29 +1200GMT (09/08/2001, 17:15 +0800GMT),
Carren Stuart wrote:

CS> That is *so* obvious now that you've pointed it out!

:-)

CS> It would be a really useful thing to be able to set a "reply to"
CS> address within the templates I have set up from the address book.

Several people have just pointed it out: There is a %Reply-To macro
which you can use in any or all of your templates; it will set the
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Re: That darn 'multiple message' option

[Thomas F]

Hi Andy,

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:17:48 -0400GMT (10/08/2001, 03:17 +0800GMT),
Andy Lurig wrote:

AL> I'm blind... where is that silly option that automatically deletes
AL> multiple versions of the same email?

In order words, you need it by keyboard:

In the main menu, hit 

AL> Also, can you give me any more info on how this works exactly?

If two messages with the same Message ID are found within the same
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Re: TheBat! and Arabic support

[Thomas F]

Hi tamuz,

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:15:42 +0100GMT (10/08/2001, 08:15 +0800GMT),
tamuz wrote:

t> Now that I got this out of my system... I found a link to past
t> posts of thebat! beta mailing list, I went there and entered
t> the word "arabic" in the search window and got this gem of a
t> post that has a perfect workaround

t> http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg06386.html

I have taught my Bat Thai. Basically, you can display messages in any
language, all you need is the XLAT table and monospaced fonts. In
order to write in such languages as Thai or Arabic (or Burmese, Hindi
etc), you need the relevant keyboard drivers, of course. I assume that
you run an Arabic Windows, so that should be no problem for you.

BTW the a.m. URL from the archive explains much better what I would
have tried to say. ;-)

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Re: Complicated languages

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Hi Dominik,

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 01:44:28 +0200GMT (10/08/2001, 07:44 +0800GMT),
Dominik 'IronHand' Dalek wrote:

DID> Maybe like this:
DID> Is  The  Bat!  supporting multi-character digits, like Kanji alphabet or
DID> others? I know Delphi apps mostly do, but does TB!?

No problem reading and writing Chinese over here.

DID> If not, are there any plans to support Arabic, Chinese, Japanese...?

So my posting a minute ago to tamuz. BTW, there are no "complicated"
languages in computing, but single-byte character languages (most of
them) and double-byte character sets (DBCS; also called CJK -
Chinese-Japanese-Korean). TB displays Chinese just fine except that it
does not insert automatic line breaks in autowrap or auto-format;
someone had a problem with Japanese but I think that has been fixed;
but I haven't read anything about Korean yet.

Arabic is not complicated. In fact, the writing is much easier and
more logical than English. What makes you think it is complicated?

Kanji is not an alphabet. The Chinese use characters (depicting
meaning), not letters (depicting pronunciation), that's why it is not
an alphabet. Kanji is just the Japanese word for "Chinese characters",
one of the three sets of characters they use (four sets, if you count
Romanji).

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Re: That darn 'multiple message' option

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Hi Raj,

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:04:23 +0530GMT (10/08/2001, 11:34 +0800GMT),
Raj wrote:

AL>> I'm blind... where is that silly option that automatically deletes
AL>> multiple versions of the same email?

R> You could also select the folder, right click and select Kill Dupes

He won't be able to "click" on anything if he uses a screenreader;
he'll use the keyboard and not the mouse.

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[tbudl] Re: Test

[Thomas F]

Hello Timothy,

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:54:50 -0400 GMT (29/08/2001, 00:54 +0800 GMT),
Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

TJL> TjL, who dislikes list-tags that can't be turned off

I agree to every word you said.

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Re: What's efficient Preview?

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Hi Avenarius,

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 03:06:11 +0200GMT (29/08/2001, 09:06 +0800GMT),
Avenarius wrote:

>> We have tried to make preview mode as fast and powerful as we can:
>> [...]: use the "+" and "-" keys to move through the messages in the
>> currently-selected folder, and the space bar to page through the
>> preview. These keys work no matter which pane has focus, and make
>> navigation very quick.

A> When will we see something like this in The Bat!?

When the focus is on the message list (which it here always is) and
you use the preview pane, substitute arrow up/down for +/- in the
above paragraph, and TB does exactly that. And has been doing to so
for ages, so Pegasus seems to be a bit behind.

A> Navigation in The Bat! is still a major problem area and one of
A> TB's real weaknesses.

I don't agree. I find it quite easy to navigate in TB.

A> Why, if you have the preview pane under focus in TB, you can't even
A> move to the next or previous message!

Hit crtl-]. Admittedly, this is not a single-key shortcut, but TB has
a policy of using single-key shortcuts for the quick search. Something
which Pegasus probably does not feature.

A>  In folder view, there are the
A> CTRL+UP and CTRL+DOWN shortcuts but, really, why use two keys for
A> an elementary operation that Pegasus accomplishes with a single key
A> no matter which pane has focus?

Because TB seems to have more functons.

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Re: Some improvements

[Thomas F]

Hi Jacek,

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:52:09 +0200GMT (30/08/2001, 03:52 +0800GMT),
Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:

[list of good suggestions snipped]

JW> OK. That's all. What do you think about it guys?

I would second each an every one of your suggestions.

Why don't you send them officially to Ritlabs:
Help / Feedback / Suggestions.

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Re: The Bat on The Penguin

[Thomas F]

Hello Matt,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:27:06 -0400 GMT (30/08/2001, 21:27 +0800 GMT),
Matt Cahill wrote:

MC>   Thinking about it now, Allie is probably correct in her assumption   
   ^^^
  
Just FYI, our Dr. Martin is a "he". See
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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Thomas F]

Hi Alexander,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:24:39 +0200GMT (31/08/2001, 04:24 +0800GMT),
Alexander Turcic wrote:

AT> Anyways, I say bye to this newsgroup for I am not any longer a TB user.

Thanks for your crossposting without sensible contents, and for your
lack of interest to discuss (and BTW this is a mailing list, not a
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Re: ZoneAlarm & TheBat

[Thomas F]

Hi Shauna,

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:04:47 -0600GMT (31/08/2001, 10:04 +0800GMT),
Shauna Scott wrote:

SS> So I mainly go with the default settings, which allow all outgoing
SS> traffic and only specified incoming traffic

This is quite dangerous, if you happen to have spyware on trojans of
any kind on your computer.

I am currently quite happy with Tiny Personal Firewall:
www.tinysoftware.com (freeware for personal use, and I found it easy
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Re: Bye Bye The Bat....

[Thomas F]

Hi Dierk,

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:25:44 +0200GMT (31/08/01, 14:25 +0800GMT),
Dierk Haasis wrote:

DH> Actually I only wanted to ask one question: Why on earth do we talk
DH> with someone who isn't here anymore? And left with flimsy
DH> argumentation?

I replied for the benefit of members of this list who might have been
confused by his mail. He said in fact a lot of nonsense but made it
sound as if he had a point. I couldn't let that one pass without
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Re: replies to me in lists

[Thomas F]

Hi David,

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:13:43  +0100GMT (31/08/01, 17:13 +0800GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

MDP>> '\[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (without quotes) in 'kludges' and turn on the
MDP>> regular expression option for that filter. That's what I use and it's
MDP>> never got one wrong yet!

DE> For give me if I am wrong but this will catch all instances of @mydomain.net
DE> in the 'kludge' even if the letter is not a reply but one sent to you.

No, in RegEx "\d" means "any digit". So this will catch only if
mydomain.com is preceded by digits, which will be the case in the
References/In-Reply-To headers, not in to/from addresses.

Unless, of course, your own email address uses only digits as user
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Existing bugs (was: Bye Bye)

[Thomas F]

Hi Michal,

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:56:56 +0200GMT (31/08/01, 17:56 +0800GMT),
Michal Kozusznik wrote:

MK> I  just  wrote  about.  HTML  interpreter is not important for me. But
MK> multi-user  mode  working  correctly  on multi-user Win98 machines is.
MK> Some  time  ago  i was be able to push my boss to buy TB! for a lot of
MK> comps. This bug caused this transaction was not realized.

I cannot comment on this as I use stand-alone version. I am not aware
of a bug in the multi-user environment; maybe this came up during my
vacation? (You can forward me your original bug-report off-list, so we
don't bore the list with repetitions.)

MK> TB!  still  badly  works with CSAPI '97. This bug is known as well but
MK> the  guilt  is pushed to CSAPI. Don't know. Maybe that CSAPI is bugged
MK> but other progs work with it without problems. I can't ask my boss for
MK> buying Office2000 for TB! compatibility.

I don't have this problem. CSAPI spell-checks fine. What exactly
happens (or not) on your side?

MK> TB!  now  is  unable to check mailboxes in defined time period. It was
MK> referred on this mailing list by some people - without any response!

TB mail-checks fine over here; both in the office and at home.

MK> Is  it  not  enough? These problems occurred really long time ago. Why
MK> these are not solved yet?

The only one of the three bugs you mention I am aware of is that some
users complained that suddenly TB stopped checking mail periodically.
Even though it had worked earlier. Very strange.

However, we could not gather enough evidence to guess what the reason
might be. I am sure Rit would fix immediately if they had an angle.
Can you put your finger on it?

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Re: replies to me in lists

[Thomas F]

Hello David,

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:37:44  +0100 GMT (31/08/2001, 19:37 +0800 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

DE>>> For give me if I am wrong

TF>> No,

DE> I am wrong :-(

I forgive you anyway. :-)

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Re: failure notice ??

[Thomas F]

Hello Rob,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:41:58 +0200 GMT (01/09/2001, 18:41 +0800 GMT),
Rob wrote:

R> ah, so my reply made it to the list after all ...
R> all i got after replying was an e-mail with the subject 'failure notice' !
R> looks like it comes from Marck Pearlstone ??

R> can somebody explain what happened ??

The server on Marck's side (or his ISP, rather) has a problem. Each
message sent to his address is rejected. Furthermore, instead of
bouncing to the list admin (as would be correct), that server bounces
to the original sender. So, if you post a message on the list, the
list server will send to all members including Marck, Marck's ISP has
a problem, the notification is being sent to you instead of dutaint.

I have no way of contacting Marck on another email address or by
phone. Syafril and Allie have received bounces themselves, so if they
have another means of contacting Marck, they will will have done so in
the meantime. Otherwise I assume the only way is to ask Allie to unsub
Marck temporarily (he doesn't get the postings anyway) but send him
regular test messages, so that he can be resubscribed as soon as his
ISP has fixed their problem.

R> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
R> This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6)

Clearly the problem is at free-online's server.

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Re: failure notice ??

[Thomas F]

Hello flash,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 19:00:36 +0700 GMT (01/09/2001, 20:00 +0800 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> I have no way of contacting Marck on another email address or by
>> phone. Syafril and Allie have received bounces themselves,

fwn> No. They're not. But, they're already receive your message to TBUDL :-)

They posted on TBUDL before, so they will have received the same
bounce every poster (including yourself just now) receives. ;-)

>> Clearly the problem is at free-online's server.

fwn> I don't think so. Free-online use qmail. qmail put delivered-to
fwn> header only once, then if it get the same message (which has same
fwn> delivered-to header), it would love to think that it is a loop problem.

That's why I thought it indeed is a loop problem. It isn't?

fwn> For some reasons, Marck's server (MDaemon) do some header rewriting,
fwn> (i.e rewrite return-path header) which cause this problem.

Ah, I have no idea about MDaemon. So you probably know more than I. As
I said, nothing we (the humble list users) can do. ;-)

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Re: Evaluation issues

[Thomas F]

Hello Jeff,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 10:05:52 -0700 GMT (02/09/2001, 01:05 +0800 GMT),
Jeff wrote:

J> 1)  The message-editor doesn't work like any other I've used and it's
J> taking some time to get used to it.

True, but once you get used to it, you'll love it.

J> a) For example, is it possible to automatically "reflow" after fixing a
J> line.

You can do it manually by placing the cursor into the paragraph with
the arrow keys and hitting alt-L (for left jsutification), alt-R
(right just) or alt-C (center).

Alternatively, you can TB let it do automatically by using auto-format
and/or auto-wrap under the Utilities menu in the editor.

J> b) The cursor doesn't move back to the left margin when it traverses a
J> blank line, the way it does in most Windows text editors.

This is "free caret interface", meaning that you can position the
cursor anywhere you want and start writing.
  Try to do
this
in Word
  or Netscape.

BTW, there are indeed Windows editors who use the same. I have been
told that Word 2000 has accepted it, too.
  
J> A side-effect of this appears to be that the "-- " sig delimeter is
J> shortened to just "--", as trailing blank spaces in lines appear to
J> be truncated.

If you enter the sig delimiter, it will stay correct, unless you do
something else in that very line. Only then will hte trailing space be
deleted.

J> c) The ability to cursor down past the end of a new email is a bit
J> disconcerting, too.

See above, free caret.

J> 2)  I haven't figured out how to scroll through unread messages
J> properly and efficiently.  For example:

I scroll through the individual messages by just hitting the space bar
repeatedly. When all text of one message has been shown, the next
message (read or unread) opens automatically.

J> a) When I first set up The Bat! I used 600 seconds as the time
J> before messages would appear as "read". [...] Is this property
J> applied only when email is received?

AFAIK it is applied when you read new messages.

J> b) Other programs I use (Eudora and Netscape) have a button I can
J> press which will automatically find (in Eudora's case) the next
J> message, or (in Netscape's case) the next unread message.  The Bat!
J> doesn't seem to have either, and I've had to scroll through all the
J> messages by hand.

Use crtl-] to jump to the next unread message. Also take a look at
Options / Preferences / Message List / When moving...

J> c) I haven't found a way to open up threads automaticallly by
J> scrolling through them, and the folder list-window doesn't scroll
J> automatically, so opening up all those "+" signs can take a long time.

You can open all threads by hiting crtl-*.

The folder list and the main message list are independent by design.

J> I like the program, but I find that at the moment, reading list email
J> with The Bat! takes significantly longer per message than reading
J> list-mail with Netscape.

I hope these tips help you read your messages faster. ;-)

J> Are there answers to my questions?  Or do I just join the group
J> writing to the wish-list ?

So far, everything you wish for is already there. 

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Re: failure notice ??

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Hello Marck,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:52:21 +0100 GMT (01/09/2001, 20:52 +0800 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> Guess who forgot to turn off the MultiPOP collector for the very same
MDP> free-online account!!!

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Re: advanced auto reply

[Thomas F]

Hello fusiontunes,

On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:45:03 -0400 GMT (02/09/2001, 02:45 +0800 GMT),
fusiontunes f fusiontunes wrote:

fff> Suppose I wanted to forward, resend, or auto reply to the senders
fff> ISP rather than to the sender..?? For instance any spam coming
fff> from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> would get forwarded to
fff> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> complete with all header information.

Hmmm. Considering that the spam filter is the one that catches no
false positives, you could use Forward To under the Actions tab. Come
to think of it, you would need several filters: the first one catching
all messages that contain @hotmail.com in the sender. Will be
forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the next one for the next major ISP,
and so on.

With Regular Expressions, I am sure it would work with just two
filters: one catching all those ISP's that need the spam report to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and the other one catching all the rest,
reporting to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Since you want to send the original headers, your method of forwarding
should be sent to Mime.

I don't know whether this works, I didn't try it.

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Re: Header alteration (was: Fix in the Mix?)

[Thomas F]

Hello Lars,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 21:56:55 +0200 GMT (02/09/2001, 03:56 +0800 GMT),
Lars Geiger wrote:

LG> Just out of curiosity: What software do you use to change the header
LG> lines in your messages? (This is slightly off-topic and perhaps not very
LG> interesting for others, so please answer in private e-mail.)

This header you can change in TB. In the ditor window, go to View /
Follow-up to and change the Reply-to header (I don't know why the
field name is different from the header name).

I use this sometimes to break a thread when the topic has changed a
lot: I just delete all the entries there. Of course, you can also edit
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Re: advanced auto reply

[Thomas F]

Hello Allie,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:56:04 -0500 GMT (02/09/2001, 03:56 +0800 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> This is likely to be a futile effort since spammers hardly ever use
ACM> legitimate addresses that point to their true origin.

Mostly, but not always. Hotmail does reply: either you get a standard
message that this is not a hotmail address, or they report that they
closed the account. I did experience the latter. Also with other
ISP's.

I think the risk with the automation is that a friend might inform you
that he has a hotmail account now - and you report him inwittingly.

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Re: *Severe* bug in IntPack

[Thomas F]

Hello Chema,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:30:23 +0200 GMT (02/09/2001, 08:30 +0800 GMT),
Chema Berian wrote:

JJ>> I  reported  this  bug long ago, but it has not been corrected. I
JJ>> do not trust the Spanish version so I switched back to English.

CB> I reported it about 10-20 times

This is not a (functional) bug but a translation error. It is
extremely easy to fix, since Rit use this language compiler.

May whoever is in charge of the Spanish interface translation, if he
is on this list, kindly come forward.

Otherwise, Chema, I suggest you contact Max directly, he supervises
the language versions. He can tell you who does that Spanish
translation and put you in touch with him.

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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Thomas F]

Hello ::Andrew::,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:16:14 +0100 GMT (02/09/2001, 09:16 +0800 GMT),
::Andrew:: wrote:

MR>> No matter how much I like email (a lot!), when it comes to wishing
MR>> someone a "happy birthday" or other such personal greeting, I still
MR>> prefer sending - and receiving - a hand written note via snail mail.
MR>> Even a phone call is nice. Not *everything* must be automatic - just
MR>> because it *can* be. Some things, in my opinion, still mean more when
MR>> done manually.

I  will also be happy about a manually written birthday email, but
please do not send me automated ones.

A> I take your point here but consider, we all have a lot of contacts
A> suppliers, friends, family, etc etc some of these groups
A> friends/family we'd like to send personal mails to (i hope) but some
A> like suppliers we'd like them to know we're thinking of them (get
A> those brownie points) but may not always be able to remember/have the
A> time to write hole emails.

If my friends' or suppliers' computers send me standard-form emails
for birthday, I will consider this spam and not give them any brownie
points. To the contrary. If you don't remember or "don't have the
time" to send me congrats or give me a call, then don't; we're all
only human, and I forget birthdays too. It is still better than an
automated greeting from a computer.

A> In this latter, being able to template a reply and 'top and tail'
A> with a personal note would be good.

Templates do not have personal notes; the best they can do are
pseudo-personal. I don't even want to imagine what a heart-felt
congratulation from a computer would feel like on the receiver's side.


A> I'm pretty sure also that if implemented correctly this feature could
A> be very useful in other scenario's than birthdays. In which case
A> templating might be more useful.

You mean automated sending of emails, or writing an email now which
needs to be sent at a later date? This could be very useful, as long
as it is not used for personal matters such as birthdays, Valentines
Day, wedding aniversaries, Christmas etc.

This is my opinion, and why I think the birthday function in TB is a
waste. Others have other opinions. I agree with Melissa that birthday
greetings need to be personal.

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Re: view thread by reference

[Thomas F]

Hello ::Andrew::,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:26:15 +0100 GMT (02/09/2001, 17:26 +0800 GMT),
::Andrew:: wrote:

A>   is it possible to auto expand all threads? I would prefer viewing
A>   threads by reference but can't stand clicking the little +'s and -'s
A>   all the time.

crtl-*.

A>   Also you know how ctrl+m marks a box as read, is there a similar
A>   command that works just for one thread?

shft-crtl-M.

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Reminders (was: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!)

[Thomas F]

Hello ::Andrew::,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:03:16 +0100 GMT (02/09/2001, 17:03 +0800 GMT),
::Andrew:: wrote:

A> Personally I don't agree, I think it would be pretty difficult to
A> identify which emails were from a template and which weren't.

That's worse. I believe you just sent me birthday wishes, but in fact
it was your computer? No thanks.

It may be a matter of personal taste nowadays, though. Some people
might prefer a computer-generated greeting than none at all. "At least
his his computer loves me. Better than noone."

A> A template could be used here with no offense and could spread a
A> little love in the world :)

Right. I will advise you of the birthday of my computer, so your
computer can spread a little love to mine. :-)

A> So in terms of features to suggest:-

A> Feature: Reminder Mails (let's call it a reminder rather than
A> birthday)

I would offer this service for money to those people who don't know
how to use the Windows Scheduler, and who don't want to use the myriad
of secreterial services that already exist. Other than that, I see no
reason to bloat my favourite mailer with such [censored].

A> thoughts?

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Re: Reminders

[Thomas F]

Hello ::Andrew::,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:57:06 +0100 GMT (02/09/2001, 20:57 +0800 GMT),
::Andrew:: wrote:

A>> Feature: Reminder Mails (let's call it a reminder rather than
A>> birthday)

TF>> I would offer this service for money to those people who don't know
TF>> how to use the Windows Scheduler, and who don't want to use the myriad
TF>> of secreterial services that already exist. Other than that, I see no
TF>> reason to bloat my favourite mailer with such [censored].

A> interesting, in your first mail on this subject you said 'You mean
A> automated sending of emails, or writing an email now which needs to be
A> sent at a later date? This could be very useful,'. Bit of an abrupt
A> change of opinion.

No change of opinion, I just didn't make myself clear. ;-)

If people asked me to send them reminders of football games, I would
understand this as a request for service, which ins't free. If I
myself want to compose an email which for some reason needs to go at a
later time, I would find an option "send this mail on: [date]" useful.

But then, as Allie has described, this feature is available via the
Windows Scheduler and the CLI.

A> Sorry if my comments about the football annoyed you, it's just we're
A> so used to loosing to Germany at crucial moments, to win so
A> conclusively was an opportunity not to be missed ;-)

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Re: Reminders

[Thomas F]

Hello ::Andrew::,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:59:34 +0100 GMT (02/09/2001, 23:59 +0800 GMT),
::Andrew:: wrote:

A> But SyP suggestion of a plugin for version 2 would be fine for this
A> that way maybe everyone's happy.

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Re: failure notice ??

[Thomas F]

Hello Syafril,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:11:23 +0700 GMT (02/09/2001, 00:11 +0800 GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah created and sent a message, of which I just
received a duplicate.

I have just killed 13 dupes, and I don't think this was a server
problem. The message to which I am replying arrived for the second
time about 23 hrs 33 mins after you created it. I also did receive it
last night.

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Re: Bye Bye The Bat.... Say Hi to Becky!

[Thomas F]

Hi Jacek,

On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:32:05 +0200GMT (02/09/2001, 18:32 +0800GMT),
Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:

JW> I'd like TB! to do sth like this:

JW> "X has a birthday today. You have created a message
JW> using a birthday template. Do you want to edit it
JW> now?"

JW> I would love feature like this :-)

Isn't this what the "birthday reminder" now already does? Except it is
not using a "birthday template" but the AB template.

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Re: Some basic questions

[Thomas F]

Hello Syafril,

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:08:10 +0700 GMT (03/09/2001, 20:08 +0800 GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

SH> Have you tried Mail Ticker yet ? That way, you will notified if new
SH> message come in.

Don't - in cooperation with a screenreader it will freeze the whole
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Re: Some basic questions

[Thomas F]

Hello Andrew,

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:08:55 +0100 GMT (04/09/2001, 00:08 +0800 GMT),
Andrew Hodgson wrote:

TF>> Don't - in cooperation with a screenreader it will freeze the whole
TF>> screen.

AH> Have you had experience with the screen reader then?  Or just the mail
AH> ticker (grin).

With Jaws. I hear the same problem exists with Blindows.

AH> Yes, it does stop speech for tb window only.

That's because it's scrolling, and the screenreader cannot keep up. It
keeps refereshing, but once it has started, it ust start refreshing
again. Some blind users have discarded TB, until they were advised how
to turn the MT off.

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Re: Some basic questions

[Thomas F]

Hi Andrew,

On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:56:34 +0100GMT (04/09/2001, 05:56 +0800GMT),
Andrew Hodgson wrote:

AH> I heard this advice from another blind person - do you know if there
AH> are any other VI people using TB?

Yes. Some lurk around on this list, and many on the German TB list.
When I followed the German Jaws list, TB came up very often too. TB
has a reputation of being "VI friendly" (if that is the current
politically correct term).

There is a special wish list from blind people, and if I find it at
home, I will post it here (once). I will have to edit it, because many
features have already been implemented...

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Exchange Server Problem

[Thomas F]

Hi TBUDL,

I have an internal email address on our Exchange Server. Unlike all
other colleagues, who use Outlook, I pop with TB and used to have no
problem.

Since yesterday, however, I cannot "connect to server" any more. This
is rather weird, because the very server is on our company LAN through
which I connect to the internet anyway. I am definitely connected to
the LAN, and the colleagues don't have a problem retrieving their mail
with OL. What can be the reason that TB cannot find the server any
more?

At the same time this problem started, the date in the account log
switched from 2-digit years to 4-digit years. How did this happen?

Copy of log:

*31/08/01, 18:22:21: FETCH - receiving mail messages
+31/08/01, 18:22:21: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
+31/08/01, 18:22:22: FETCH - authenticated (plain)
*31/08/01, 18:22:22: FETCH - 0 messages in the mailbox, 0 new
+31/08/01, 18:22:22: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received
*31/08/01, 18:27:21: FETCH - receiving mail messages
+31/08/01, 18:27:22: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
+31/08/01, 18:27:22: FETCH - authenticated (plain)
*31/08/01, 18:27:22: FETCH - 0 messages in the mailbox, 0 new
+31/08/01, 18:27:22: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received
*03/09/2001, 10:30:14: FETCH - receiving mail messages
!03/09/2001, 10:31:02: FETCH - Could not connect to the server
+03/09/2001, 10:31:02: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received
*03/09/2001, 10:35:18: FETCH - receiving mail messages
!03/09/2001, 10:36:05: FETCH - Could not connect to the server
+03/09/2001, 10:36:05: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received
*03/09/2001, 10:40:28: FETCH - receiving mail messages
!03/09/2001, 10:41:14: FETCH - Could not connect to the server
+03/09/2001, 10:41:14: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

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Re: Exchange Server Problem

[Thomas F]

Hi Syafril,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:02:39 +0700GMT (04/09/2001, 14:02 +0800GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

>> What can be the reason that TB cannot find the server any more?

SH> POP3 service disable on purpose.


This sys-adm. Two months ago, he allowed access to all
mailboxes without password. Once month ago, he explained to me that a
firewall isn't necessary. Last weekend, he installed a firewall,
closed the FTP ports and disabled POP3. Does he have a learning curve
or what?


>> At the same time this problem started, the date in the account log
>> switched from 2-digit years to 4-digit years. How did this happen?

SH> Ask [EMAIL PROTECTED], perhaps he/she upgrade the service
SH> pack of exchange or NT ?

So, you are saying that the server can make the logs in TB use a
different default? Is it not up to my PC, or my TB? For example, I
have set date=British (dd/mm/yy), but I believe that the others here
have set it to US (mm/yy/dd), or (if the server supports) Chinese
(yy/mm/dd).

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Re: Exchange Server Problem

[Thomas F]

Hi Syafril,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:33:29 +0700GMT (04/09/2001, 14:33 +0800GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

>> So, you are saying that the server can make the logs in TB use a
>> different default?

SH> No.
SH> But the logs also can reflect the communication between your PC to the
SH> server.

I am not convinced yet, because I think I am the only one who uses the
British date format in this office. However, I will check with the
sys-adm, who comes in about once a week, or in emergencies.

SH> Don't know for sure, either my PC and TB! use 4-digit here. I am not
SH> aware if TB! having clock/date setting, do you ?

Sorry, I mixed it up with the current beta series. No such setting in
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Re: Senders Initials

[Thomas F]

Hi Haye,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:49:43 +0700GMT (04/09/01, 17:49 +0800GMT),
Haye wrote:

H> How do I take senders initials from original senders full name ?

Account / Properties / Templates / Reply / (lower box): Sender
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Re: Threads

[Thomas F]

Hello Syafril,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:25:30 +0700 GMT (04/09/2001, 20:25 +0800 GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

>> Yes, but you're back to having to read the message to find out who's
>> being spoken to rather than seeing it from the address.

SH> If we're watching some threads or we are author of threads, it worth
SH> to do that :-)

That's not the point - I read every message anyway. ;-)

However, when I later scroll through the message list of today's
messages, it is far easier to find a specific message when you
remember that Marck replied to Syafril, rather than Allie replied to
TBUDL. Especially in long threads where the subject remains unchanged.
Scrolling this way is *a lot* faster than searching.

SH> In  these  case,  I  completely  agree  with  Nick Andriash, please do
SH> standard/basic  rule  on  public  list  : No Real Name Reply, No Reply
SH> Counter,  No  Fancy  QuoteStyle. I do hope this can be default setting
SH> for TB!.

I disagree. While it is incorrect to just state the real name and then
the list address (see discussion about a year ago where SL made this
point), I find it much better to use the full features power of TB to
construct addressees like I have above.

As to the autocomplete (as mentioned by Allie): I have yet to
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Re: Threads

[Thomas F]

Hello Syafril,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:27:13 +0700 GMT (05/09/2001, 01:27 +0800 GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

SH> On  forum/seminars,  we  are  not  the only one acting as "speaker" to
SH> answer  others  question,  this  is  not  a  class with only one guru,
SH> sometimes  the  questions came from a group of audience and the answer
SH> from  another  group of audience tooremember your voice will heard
SH> by  all  audience  so  why  "address" only to the person :-) Didn't it
SH> seems like whispering on the forum ?

Taking your forum analogy, the "... on list" is equivalent to saying:
"To the contribution made by Syafril, I would like to add/reply/..."
Thus, it is clear whose contribution you refer to (this is actually
quite normal in forums in my own experience), and has nothing to do
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Re: Threads

[Thomas F]

Hello Syafril,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:59:51 +0700 GMT (05/09/2001, 01:59 +0800 GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

SH> Okay taken like that, why it should be redundancy, either on TO:
SH>  and on the body text ?

Because I see the TO field before I open the message.

SH> Please  note,  the  problem  comes  from the TO: Real Name 
SH> which  annoying others members, why your great and good answer must be
SH> include  that  "bad"  things (from others POV), you make resistance by
SH> yourself :-)

Same as Marck, I have not exprienced resistance yet. :-)

Well, I guess it's a matter of taste and we are going in circles. ;-)

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Re: Threads

[Thomas F]

Hello Allie,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:14:46 -0500 GMT (05/09/2001, 03:14 +0800 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> I guess I don't mind either way because I don't use the To: column.
ACM> ;-)

If there are only a few messages (say 2 or 3), I stay in the preview
pane, and the message list is unthreaded. Only when there are many
messages, I use the folder view, which is threaded.

It is in the unthreaded main message list that the name of the person
replied to comes in handy.

ACM> I'll change if I find myself managing only with address book
ACM> auto-completion. :-)

I have set the auto-completion to all available, and still have no
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Re: Images in HTML emails?

[Thomas F]

Hi Mrten,

On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:54:12 +0200GMT (05/09/2001, 07:54 +0800GMT),
Mrten wrote:

M> an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the
M> memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character
M> of every memo.

Why the "!" ?

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Re: Images in HTML emails?

[Thomas F]

Hi Jason,

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:38:03 -0500GMT (05/09/2001, 07:38 +0800GMT),
Jason Palmgren wrote:

JP> How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails
JP> *ARE* displayed?

Mrten's reply was a bit confusing. Images *in* the HTML emails are of
course displayed. The images that are sent as attachments, that is.

Only images that are *not* in the email, i.e. not attached will not be
displayed. And this will not be changed. The reason is, many TB users
know a thing or two about programming and/or security. If TB ever
allows downloading images from the internet because of a GET command
or the like, TB will lose 90% of its customer base (including myself).

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Re: Delete messages from outbox

[Thomas F]

Hello syv,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:46:12 -0700 GMT (05/09/2001, 22:46 +0800 GMT),
syv wrote:


s> Hi tbudl,

s> I am trying to delete messages from the outbox.

Did you try the  button while the message is closed, and
highlighted on the Outbox' message list?

Other than that, you can drag it to the trash folder.

s> These messages do not have a destination. They are from a template,

They "come from"? I thought they were in the Outbox?

s> where somebody is sending me these messages from an invalid
s> address:

s> €  @prodigy.net.m

s> I have tried placing an address by hand in these messages, but I still
s> can't.

You should be able too pen any message in the Outbox by
double-clicking on it, and then you can amend the recipients. What
happens when you try it here? Nothing, or weird stuff?

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - virus

[Thomas F]

Hello Jan,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:19:04 -0400 GMT (05/09/2001, 21:19 +0800 GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR>PC-cillin has reported a virus named
JR>PE_MAGISTR.DAM on my system. Source is TB.
JR>PC-cillin can't clean or delete it. Scanned my
JR>system, found complete location & dragged them
JR>to the recycle bin & then emptied Recycle Bin.
JR>Has anyone else had any experience with this
JR>trojan? Any other suggestions how to handle this?

I'm not sure whether it was this one, but yes, I've had a similar
experience. This happens when you download the malware while PCC's
Realtime-Scan is switched off, or it is a new virus that is not yet
known. PCC will find it only later, when it's alreeady in the message
base. (The message base is the location then; I assume this is what
you mean by "TB is the source").

However, usually malware is caught when downloading mail and never
make it into the message base.

I have also set PCC to "quaratine uncleanable files", so that it will
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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - virus

[Thomas F]

Hi John,

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:50:16 -0400GMT (06/09/2001, 08:50 +0800GMT),
John Seymour wrote:

JS>  http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2810225,00.html

Quote from this very URL:

Prevention
Here are the basic steps for containing the latest worm: 

"Don't open attachments!" One of the best ways to prevent virus
infections is not to open attachments, especially when viruses such as
this polymorphic worm are being actively circulated. Even if the
e-mail is from a known source, be careful. A few viruses take the
mailing lists from an infected computer and send out new messages with
its destructive payload attached. Always scan the attached files first
for viruses. Unless it's a file or an image you are expecting, delete
it.

Get protected. If you don't already have virus protection software on
your machine, you should. If you're a home or individual user, it's as
easy as downloading any of these top-rated programs then following the
installation instructions. If you're on a network, check with your
network administrator first.

Scan your system regularly. If you're just loading anti-virus software
for the first time, it's a good idea to let it scan your entire
system. It's better to start with your PC clean and free of virus
problems. Often the antivirus program can be set to scan each time the
computer is rebooted or on a periodic schedule. Some will scan in the
background while you are connected to the Internet. Make it a regular
habit to scan for viruses.

Update your anti-virus software. Now that you have virus protection
software installed, make sure it's up-to-date. Some antivirus
protection programs have a feature that will automatically link to the
Internet and add new virus detection code whenever the software vendor
discovers a new threat. You can also scan your system for the latest
security updates here.

Unquote.

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Re: More on Outbox

[Thomas F]

Hi David,

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:37:24  +0100GMT (06/09/2001, 14:37 +0800GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

DE> The last part has happened to me.

Ditto.

DE> For all the above reasons I have asked for a Draft folder. ie a folder that
DE> contains messages that are nor ready to send. Every other eMail client that
DE> I have used has always had one and it is the one thing that I miss.

A long-standing item in the wish list.

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Re: Attachments

[Thomas F]

Hi Raj,

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:52:49 +0530GMT (07/09/2001, 13:22 +0800GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> Although this does not occur with all contacts (but does intermittently with
R> others) I've decided to simply change my settings.

He could have decided to simply change his email client ...

Sorry for stupid remark: could not resist!

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Re: More than one email per account?

[Thomas F]

Hi Marvin,

On   Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:31:17 +0200GMT (07/09/2001, 17:31 +0800GMT),
Marvin wrote:

M> 1) Is there any way to use several email adress' and several pop mail
M> servers using "one" account? I just want one inbox/outbox/sent folder for
M> several email adress'.

Funny. My main reason for changing to The Bat! a long time ago was
that I could completely seperate the accounts. Different folks...

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Re: Unicode

[Thomas F]

Hello SyP,

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:39:26  +0200 GMT (07/09/2001, 22:39 +0800 GMT),
SyP wrote:

S> There  is already some (very limited) functionality present, so if you
S> receive  an UTF-7 or UTF-8 encoded email, TB! will try to display it -
S> but   internally  converts  it  first  to  some  8-bit  codepage.  Han
S> characters,  characters from different codepages stand no chance being
S> displayed correctly.

Do you have a way of sending me such a message? If it is UTF-encoded,
and you have the fonts on your box, it should display correctly even
if the languages are mixed.

I didn't now about this internal conversion into an 8-bit encoding,
where did you read this?

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Re: Unicode

[Thomas F]

Hello SyP,

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:08:13  +0200 GMT (08/09/2001, 01:08 +0800 GMT),
SyP wrote:

S> Let's see how TB! deals with UTF-8!

I couldn't find a Context-Type and charset= header in your message.
Right clicking and choosing Charater Set on your message shows "None".

In plain text view, none of the characters displayed correctly. They
show combinations of European characters (my default character set):

S> katakana letter ZI: ジ

A lower-case a with a tilde, followed by a comma and a little hook
I've never seen before.

S> o with double acute: ő

Upper-case A with the (Swedish) circle on top, followed by accente
grave, which hangs in the air.

S> o with tilde: õ

Upper-case A with tilde, followed the Greek lower case letter "mi"
(the one that is used as "micro" in physics).

S> a with grave accent: à

Upper case A with tilde.

S> the Euro sign: €

Lower-case a with accente circumflex, followed by comma, followed by a
graphic character: upper right corner.

With internal HTML engine (1.54 b8), the characters are not displayd,
but I see rectangles instead. Some of these rectangles are preceded by
question marks.

Double-clicking on the attachment opens IE 5.5. Encoding is correctly
identified as UTF-8. The first two characters are displayed as
rectangles, the others correctly. I guess that is becuase I don't have
the fonts to display the first two.

Can we call this a bug? Or is UTF not officially supported, and we put
it in the wishlist?

S> I guess they call WideCharToMultiByte with the current code page as
S> a parameter, but I'm in wild speculation mode right now.

I don't know what this means, but in the HTML engine the word
"WideCharToMultiByte" is displayed normal, while IE displayes it in
bold. That's a beta-bug and does not belong on this list. ;-)

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Re: Reminders

[Thomas F]

Hello Januk,

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:31:56 -0700 GMT (08/09/2001, 13:31 +0800 GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> I have come up with a script that makes it even easier.
JA> Unfortunately, I can't post attachments to this list,

Didn't Syafril open this yesterday?

JA> so if you would like a copy (and didn't get it through TBTECH),
JA> send me a message at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED].

Anybody who does this, beware of them folder templates. ;-)

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

[Thomas F]

Hello Yuki,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:14:54 +0900 GMT (08/09/2001, 14:14 +0800 GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

YT> Sorry, but a personal message of mine was accidently sent to this
YT> list.

Let me guess: Folder template? ;-)

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

[Thomas F]

Hello Raj,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:09:07 +0530 GMT (08/09/2001, 14:39 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

YT>> Sorry, but a personal message of mine was accidently sent to this
YT>> list.

R> I guess this is why Januk mentioned about having AB level templates
R> rather than Folder level.

Actually, it's Marck's pet which some of us have adopted. Yuki just
made his day. ;-)

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Re: computer freezes during check mail

[Thomas F]

Hello ::Andrew::,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:57:10 +0100 GMT (08/09/2001, 07:57 +0800 GMT),
::Andrew:: wrote:

A>   Perhaps I'm still on a slightly older version of TB! but I've
A>   noticed increasingly that when TB check mails the whole pc freezes
A>   for about 4 seconds. Anyone else noticed that?

Yes. Already reported this some time ago, but it appeared I was the
only one, so I dropped the matter.

Actually it freezes just before the Connection Center shows up in the
task bar, it seems to need all the system resources to swing into
gear. Once the ConCen is up and running, I have my PC back.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

[Thomas F]

Hello Raj,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:54:34 +0530 GMT (08/09/2001, 20:24 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> In other words the user is (and has to be) responsible for checking
R> the message / recipients before sending the message.

Yes. I wouldn't want it any other way, or I'd be assimilated.

This is email you're talking about, i.e. person-to-person
communication, not messages from machine to machine. You are sending
automated messages "with love" to your wife's id (not to your wife)
and you complain that you have to actually read the message before you
send it? ... Hello? ... Hello? ... This is planet Earth, do you read
me? ...

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Re: computer freezes during check mail

[Thomas F]

Hello Dwight,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:18:46 -0500 GMT (09/09/2001, 02:18 +0800 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> I have this problem as well.  Things lock up, and sometimes end task
DAC> on Connection Centre is enough, other times must do cold boot.  I had
DAC> been not reporting because I attributed it to memory leak related
DAC> problems, and I recalled we were asked (on beta list) to lay off those
DAC> complaints til other bugs were fixed.  But if Andrew is running 1.53d,
DAC> my assumption must have been mistaken.

I have had this problem ever since the Connection Center was
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Re: computer freezes during check mail

[Thomas F]

Hello David,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:53:33 -0400 GMT (09/09/2001, 03:53 +0800 GMT),
David R. Austen wrote:

DRA> In my case, TB seemed to be the application that most often (but not
DRA> exclusively) caused my pentium to freeze and crash. I eliminated the
DRA> difficulty by uninstalling almost all of Norton System works.

I don't have Norton products on my box, so this cannot be the reason.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

[Thomas F]

Hello Raj,

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 09:54:37 +0530 GMT (09/09/2001, 12:24 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> Better stop before the Mod's take this off to OT ;)

Don't worry, they're still asleep. That's why I call us here in Asia
"the night shift". ;-)

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

[Thomas F]

Hello Syafril,

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:31:24 +0700 GMT (09/09/2001, 12:31 +0800 GMT),
Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

>> Don't worry, they're still asleep. That's why I call us here in Asia
>> "the night shift". ;-)

SH> LOL :-)
SH> How did you know Leif still not coming back to Japan ?

I haven't heard from Leif in a long while. Dunno.

- Leif, are you out there?

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Re: OT: Sending mail

[Thomas F]

Hello Timothy,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:16:55 -0700 (PDT) GMT (10/09/2001, 18:16 +0800 GMT),
Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

TJL> I have a laptop and need to switch my SMTP servers in the morning
TJL> (when I go to work) and in the evening (when I get home).

Why don't you open a (free) account at www.myrealbox.com ? You can use
the SMTP server regardless of the From or Reply-To address, or which
ISP you are connected to.

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Re: OT: Sending mail

[Thomas F]

Hi Timothy,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT)GMT (11/09/2001, 00:21 +0800GMT),
Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

TJL> (How do they stay in business, I wonder??)

Myreal is an experiment by Novell. They are not out for profit as
long as it's beta. And beta it is. ;-)

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Re: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - losing mail

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Hello Matt,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:09:28 -0400 GMT (10/09/2001, 23:09 +0800 GMT),
Matt Cahill wrote:

MC>   I'm not sure about Yahoo, but many web-based mail services can be
MC> notoriously slow.

Could be this, or the Options in Jan's Yahoo ID for these groups have
been set to "no mail".

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Re: OT: Sending mail

[Thomas F]

Hello List,

wow, interesting. Did everyone receive this dupe with an empty mail
body?

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:02:13 +0800 GMT (10/09/2001, 11:02 +0800 GMT),
Thomas F wrote:




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Re: Problems with Client/Server version

[Thomas F]

Hello Bernhard,

sorry for the late reply, and thank you for mentioning the missing
response to your below posting on the other list. I have found your
message and will post a full quote, as your problem persists.

I don't have an answer, maybe someone else can help?

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:54:51 +0200 GMT (12/06/2001, 21:54 +0800 GMT),
Bernhard Krabina wrote:


BK> Hi everyone,

BK> I'm currently testing the Bat! in the client/server version and am
BK> encountering 1 major and 2 minor problems:

BK> the major problem: attachments
BK> --
BK> on the clients, sometimes attachments are not displayed (they are
BK> displayed on the server but on neither of the 2 clients)
BK> if this is a bug it is a knock-out criteria for the client/server
BK> installation. of course, every client has to see whether an e-mail has
BK> an attachment!!!
BK> this only seems to happen with html-mails. if i recieve an html-e-mail
BK> with one attachment then on the server there are two attachments
BK> displayed: 1 is an html-file with the mail-message in html-format and
BK> the other one is the "real" attachment.
BK> on the clients there is only 1 attachment: the html-file the other
BK> attachment is gone...???

BK> the "minor" problem: performance
BK> 
BK> i have to admit that all in all there are almost 10.000 e-mails in
BK> approx. 20 folders. the performance on the server or on an stand-alone
BK> version is perfectly fast, but the clients sometimes have to wait up to
BK> 20 seconds (!) until they see the messages in the inbox (4000 mails).
BK> it's especially slow if both of the two clients try to access the same
BK> directory.

BK> any suggestions how to speed up the performance?

BK> another minor problem: no "connection center" on clients
BK> 
BK> when a client sends a "fetch" or a "send" request - nothing happens. it
BK> would be nice if the "connection center"-window on the server would be
BK> displayed on the requesting client as well (or at least some kind of
BK> message)

BK> best regards,

BK> Bernhard

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Re: unsubscribe

[Thomas F]

Hello Peter,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:32:02 +0200 GMT (11/09/2001, 00:32 +0800 GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

PP> He/she even can't expect the public transports driving when he/she
PP> is standing at the bus stop, but he/she _has to read_ the
PP> timetable too ... this simple it is for me.

While I agree with your opinion that people who subscribe to mailing
lists should be able to read the footer, please note that the above
analogy does not work everywhere: there simply are no timetables at
bus stops in many countries I've been to. ;-)

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Mail Despatcher (was: TB! V1.54 Beta/7 - losing mail)

[Thomas F]

Hello William,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:58:00 +0100 GMT (11/09/2001, 03:58 +0800 GMT),
William Moore wrote:

LG>> Have you ever had a look at TB's mail dispatcher? It offers the same
LG>> functionality you describe for "Popcorn" and it's built-in. Just try
"Account ->>> Dispatch mail on server".

WM> Yes I have but all it seems to do is to send any messages waiting for
WM> dispatch. It seems to have the same functionality as the 'Send queued
WM> mail' button. Are there additional settings that I've missed?

Nanu? The despatcher doesn't send any mails over here, but connects to
the server and shows me what messages are available for download.

Are you sure you clicked on Account / Despatch Mail on Server / All
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Re: Attachment problem

[Thomas F]

Hi Jeff,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:54:14 -0700GMT (11/09/2001, 09:54 +0800GMT),
Jeff wrote:

J> Day 14 of my evaluation.  I still don't understand incoming
J> attachments.  I've set up "Account | Properties | Files & Directories
J> | Separate," and chosen a separate directory, but incoming attachments
J> still seem to be part of the email;

Did you also specify the directory? In my case (I sued the default), a
directory \Attach was created under teh account's directory, and TB
stored all attachments there.

They always still seem to be part of the email; from jsut looking at
the email with the attachment, you cannot tell whether they are stored
in message body or in seperate directory.

J> I can't find them when doing a windows file search.

This should find them. However, check whether you have the Attach
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Re: More than one email per account?

[Thomas F]

Hi Jeff,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:39:43 -0700GMT (11/09/2001, 10:39 +0800GMT),
Jeff wrote:

J> unless one contacts me offlist (and since my TB! evaluation is not
J> going a well as I'd hoped, that would have to be soon ).

I hope we can keep you with TB, though. It is different from other
MUA's, but once you get uised to it, you won't want to miss it any
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Re: scrolling through messages

[Thomas F]

Hi Jeff,

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:09:24 -0700GMT (11/09/2001, 10:09 +0800GMT),
Jeff wrote:

J> I use the down arrow, but when there's a closed thread (as marked by a
J> plus sign) I must use the right arrow.  And then I must take my hand
J> off the keyboard to scroll through long messages.  Is there an easier
J> way?  It's actually easier for me, anyway, in Netscape, where I can
J> use the mouse to read, to scroll, and to click on the down-arrow.

May be a differnt application. Here, I open all threads by hitting
crtl-* once (you don't need to do that). Then I browse through
messages hitting the space bar, or, when changing threads, hit crtl-]
(= next unread). I don't use the mouse at all.

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Re: Mail Despatcher

[Thomas F]

Hi William,

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:50:16 +0100GMT (11/09/2001, 12:50 +0800GMT),
William Moore wrote:

TF>> Are you sure you clicked on Account / Despatch Mail on Server / All
TF>> Messages ?

WM> Yes! And the 'New Mail Only' option - same result. Exactly the same as
WM> using the 'Dispatch Mail on Server' button on the Configuration toolbar
WM> and (as I said yesterday) the 'Send Queued Mail' button on the Main
WM> toolbar.

Make sure you have messages on tyhe server. Otherwise you won't see
the despatcher.

If you do have messages and it still doesn't work, what happens when
you hit shft-crtl-F2?

WM> Lars - I've never seen an icon with four arrows...

You'll see it when you get the despatcher to show itself. ;-)

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Re: Terrorist Attacks

[Thomas F]

Hi Douglas,

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:02:26 -0600GMT (12/09/2001, 11:02 +0800GMT),
Douglas Hinds wrote:

I share the feelings of shock and incomprehension of this evil deed.

DH> Violence begets more violence, nothing was or could have been
DH> accomplished by this wanton destruction,

Yes, it has. You don't understand martyrdom.

DH> the backlash will be profound and this may spell the end of
DH> protective havens for terrorists anywhere in the world.

I fear as much. G.W.B. is not a moderate person (as we have seen with
the spyplane that was shot down over China), I just hope that the
American people will not agree "nuke them all" (quote from another
posting in this thread, quoting Amercian NG's). Up to now, there are
only speculations about who us "they".

DH> passenger lists could be double checked for verified identities &
DH> histories (maybe fingerprints & photographs will be required), tv
DH> cameras could transmit who is doing what inside airplanes; airport
DH> locations may be removed from vital areas (w/ high speed train
DH> links between outlying airports and the cities).

Yes, something like what happened today in a free country would never
happen in a dictorship, I agree. But let the terrorists win by
abolishing privacy?

DH> Their acts have made them become too visible, too destructive to
DH> remain protected. They will be eliminated.

You scare me.

DH> They have just given George W. the pretext he needs to take a hard
DH> stance and show what a Texan can do in a fight (which is much
DH> easier than negotiating).

Heaven help us.

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Re: Terrorist Attacks

[Thomas F]

Hi Yuki,

my reply is on TBOT.

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Re: AB Templates

[Thomas F]

Hi Raj,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:41:39 +0530GMT (12/09/2001, 17:11 +0800GMT),
Raj wrote:

R> Now  when  my wife (who has a separate folder) clicks on any of the common friends, 
her id
R> is replaced by mine. She obviously has her own way of addressing and signing.

R> The question is how can I get a work around for the above.

You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
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Re: AB Templates

[Thomas F]

Hello Peter,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:42:19 +0200 GMT (12/09/2001, 18:42 +0800 GMT),
Peter Palmreuther wrote:

TF>> You mean you share the same friends with the same email addresses but
TF>> want to use different templates? In that case, I recommend you use
TF>> quick templates.

PP> I don't think he needs QTs ...
PP> Raj: are you using macros

PP> %FromName & %FromAddr

PP> in the templates?
PP> If so your wife only has to be on it's own account with it's own sender data
PP> and _then_ create the new mail.

This would work only if both use only account templates, I would
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Re: Terrorist Attacks

[Thomas F]

Hello Jan,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:13:38 -0400 GMT (13/09/2001, 01:13 +0800 GMT),
Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR> Perhaps it is a matter of language but I can only repeat my
JR> comment when someone explains that Palestinians cheering about
JR> this tragedy has to be viewed differently because of different
JR> traditions.

JR> I don't buy this comment. I believe all people in all countries
JR> are still people and as such should not cheer for the death of
JR> thousands & thousands of innocent civilians.

I agree with you. Besides, Yassir Arafat condemned the attack, too.

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Re: "Could not store message" Problem

[Thomas F]

Hi Alexander,

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:44:13 -0700GMT (13/09/2001, 12:44 +0800GMT),
Alexander Jason wrote:


AJ> When downloading mail, I now very often get the error message:

AJ> "!12-Sep-01, 19:19:33: FETCH - [Inbox] could not store message (file name -
AJ> C:\DOCUME~1\ALEXAN~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat2A9.tmp)"

I get this every time there is a virus in the mail. the only way to
successfully download it would be to shut down PC-Cillin's Realtime
Scan.

- Please do not reply to an old message when creating a new thread.
Your message was found under the thread of PIM/Email...

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Re: Kill dupes (was Re: Terrorist Attacks)

[Thomas F]

Hi David,

On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:02:15 +0200GMT (13/09/2001, 16:02 +0800GMT),
David van Zuijlekom wrote:

DvZ> On Tuesday, September 11, 2001 at 16:07:36 -0500, Allie C Martin [ACM]
DvZ> wrote concerning 'Terrorist Attacks':

DvZ> I received this particular message five times, but when I press kill
DvZ> dupes TB! doesn't find any. The message-id's and file sizes are the
DvZ> same but TB! doesn't kill them. Anyone else having this problem?

I also received it five times, but Kill Dupes took care of it without
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