Re[2]: not seeing attachments again
Hi ken Friday, January 23, 2004, 1:31:51 AM, you wrote: kg But at least it's evidence that I'm not insane (and I need evidence kg sometimes... ;) lol Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: not seeing attachments again
Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 11:42:35 AM, you wrote: I had problems with The Bat not displaying Word attachments when there TF I can't confirm. I receive MS Office and PDF files as attachments all TF the time, through all TB versions, and have never experienced a TF missing attachment. RO Me neither. I have, unfortunately. Intermittently. But often. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! versus others
Hi Allie Saturday, January 17, 2004, 7:58:32 PM, you wrote: AM I do have the view that those who wish for TB!'s interface to be spiffed AM up, will have an appreciation for a generally spiffed up Windows AM appearance with TB! being part of the general change. Maybe for some. Lots of disadvantages, though. - I don't want my other apps to change their look, too. TB is one of the few I don't like. I like Win2K's clean look as well as that of most other software I use. - I'd rather not waste more disk space and RAM on running Windowblinds. Both are precious on my system to begin with. - It's shareware. Which means shelling out more money for essentially one program. AM So I think with the ability to change the glyphs, there's no need to ask AM Ritlabs to make things spiffy. Just use something like WindowBlinds. I'd have to disagree with that. Relying on complaints being addressed by a third party is not the way to go. Especially if it means the customer will have to pay more money and change the look of their *whole* system, when it is only your app that is problematic. When asking new users to try TB, you'll have to go with the Oh, you have to buy Windowblinds as well to make it look decent. Which may cause problems with other parts of your system. Another $20 please. argument. I don't think that would go down very well :) AM TB!'s interface strength is with it's layout. It's very nice and usable. Ok, here I have to disagree STRONGLY :) The last thing it is, is usable. The second last is nice. To each their own though. And once you get used to it, it does become easier to use. I wish they collaborated with Slaven (pocomail's author) on UI design though. The combination would be fantastic. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Friday, January 16, 2004, 11:23:15 PM, you wrote: RK As I said, create multiple AB entries for the same person. If you give RK them different nick names (handles) you can even select them directly. Good idea. Thanks very much. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Thursday, January 15, 2004, 9:12:41 PM, you wrote: Oh, how then would TB know which address you mean to be the default? RK That's what I'm asking. Well have you tried reordering the various address book entries? Perhaps TB picks up the first one there too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Thursday, January 15, 2004, 9:20:45 PM, you wrote: RK Let's say you've got 15 people named Joe in your address book, all entered RK with their first and last names. Type in Joe in your address book field RK and TB will auto-complete it to match the first Joe in your AB. If you RK want a different Joe but don't feel like typing in his last name, use RK Ctrl-+ to cycle through all entries starting with Joe. Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you meant you could cycle among different email addresses within a particular address book entry by doing that. Which would be an excellent feature to add in a future version, don't you think? RK Yup, but it doesn't work as convenient as with Ctrl-+ that way if you do RK want to use a different address. Sure doesn't :) RK I mail my sister either at work or at home, depending on where she is, so RK I need to switch back and forth quite often. I have the same situation and would love to see how you get around this. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 10:40:31 PM, you wrote: RK I have two address book entries for the same person in my address book, so RK I can choose from them via Ctrl-+ when entering the name in the address RK field of a new mail. Interesting tip you let loose there..the Ctrl-+. I tried it and it doesn't work on my machine. Could you explain how you use this? To answer your posted question, you shouldn't need multiple address book entries. If the email addresses are on separate lines, the first one is chosen as the default. You can put the one you like first and it should always be the one chosen by TB by default. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Using Linux
Hi Granville Sunday, January 11, 2004, 9:50:31 PM, you wrote: GC Will The Bat! run with these programmes. Not directly, but maybe under Wine. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat or Pocomail
Hi ken Just wanted to drop a note to say I agree with the points you've made too. Inline comments would have been ridiculous..with my saying yep! after every other sentence :) Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 2.02.3 (CE) using up system resources?
Hi Susanne Monday, January 5, 2004, 9:57:04 PM, you wrote: Have you started running some other programs alongside TB? S Not anything new, that I haven't been running with the old S version, before... Oh well..looks like TB might be misbehaving then. I haven't kept up with the thread, so perhaps someone came up with an alternative explanation. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi ken Sunday, January 4, 2004, 4:14:00 PM, you wrote: kg I received a message from an associate via a hotmail address. The kg message was sent to me and my business partner - both of us on the same kg domain using the same mail server. He received the attachment, I did kg not. He is using MS Outlook, I'm using the The Bat. We do have different kg ISPs. Yep, I can confirm this behavior. The thing to notice though is that, like you, I only experience this problem when retrieving webmail through an HTTP proxy like hotmail popper. I use web2pop, but the story is the same - no problems on normal POP accounts, just on yahoo or hotmail. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.02.3 (CE) using up system resources?
Hi Susanne Saturday, January 3, 2004, 10:51:54 PM, you wrote: S I recently upgraded to the CE, and now find myself constantly S restarting the computer, because I'm running out of S resources. Have you started running some other programs alongside TB? Doing so may cause your resources to drop to a very low level, such as when the percentage of resources free hits the single digits. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat or Pocomail
Hi S Friday, January 2, 2004, 5:24:28 PM, you wrote: SJL This may not be an appropriate question to ask on this list - and one SJL impossible to answer anyway - but I will ask anyway... SJL What is 'better': The Bat! or Pocomail? There was another thread on this some time ago that you might want to check out. Poco's interface is beautiful. Outright winner in the usability shootouts in my opinion. Its more powerful features are often a match for TB's, and are more easily used. The HTML sanitizing features are another part that is impressive from a security standpoint. TB's HTML capability is better left unspoken about, since the many threads on this list will have shown you how far it has to go yet. Poco's is polished, though I didn't use it much either. I played with Poco a few months ago, but resisted changing because I hadn't fully experimented with TB's very powerful macros and templates. I didn't want to give up on TB without doing that. TB's templates are better, but then Poco has its own scripting language that could do wonders for you if you know how to use it well. TB has other advantages. Speed, for one. You'll quickly notice that Poco is pretty slow at downloading lots of mail. This won't be a problem if you don't receive a lot, but if you plan on subscribing to heavy-traffic mailing lists, be prepared to wait a lot. I used version 3, though, and the mailing lists had posts after that on how the speed was improved significantly in the later betas. My speed comment may be out of date now. Poco also tended to crash somewhat more than TB, and the user forums reveal other bugs that people weren't happy about. Since there's only one developer for Poco, that's understandable. (Hats off to the guy for the singlehanded effort he's pulled off). I don't like several things about TB - the HTML rendering, attachment handing and user interface primarily. But ultimately, I stuck with it because it was just plain too much bother to switch, with all the address book and other incompatibilities. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi Marck Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 5:44:14 AM, you wrote: MDP ... although that's hit smooth running now and is an absolute gem of MDP a new feature. The current beta (25) is running pretty stable. sounds good! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi, I'm considering upgrading to the xmas edition, but remember many posts recently on how all the folder columns were messed up until you figured out how to use views. Are people upgrading despite that? Put another way, are there any compelling reasons to upgrade? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Monday, December 29, 2003, 11:06:13 AM, you wrote: WB The best reason from now until January 10th is the price. WB Thanks Wayne. I have to agree there. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi Allie Monday, December 29, 2003, 10:39:23 AM, you wrote: AM I'm unable to help you since I don't really know what options/features AM mean a lot to you. The best thing to do would be to look at what's AM new here: AM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=389 I did look at that but was wondering if there were any major bugs with those features. The folder views thing is the only real problem I've heard about (maybe one or two more). Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi Marek Sunday, December 14, 2003, 9:00:11 PM, you wrote: MM use %ISSIGNATURE only in your Quick template, this is only parameter, MM which tells TB to not insert it to the message, but rewrite text in MM message after signature delimiter. When You insert QT with this macro MM to message, text in message after signature delimiter will be MM rewritten by QT. Thanks! I already decided to use %Qinclude as a workaround but without the ISSIGNATURE parameter. Didn't know it was one. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi Marck Sunday, December 14, 2003, 8:58:37 PM, you wrote: MDP %QINCLUDE(sig) Yep, I decided to use %Qinclude as a workaround (at least I thought it was a 'workaround'). MDP Meanwhile, somewhere in 'sig', the macro %ISSIGNATURE appears. Ah, now that I didn't know. The documentation is obscure on this. MDP Using the %ISSIGNATURE macro in a signature QT allows you to change MDP signatures on-the-fly from anywhere in the message body. Type the MDP sig QT's handle and ctrl-space and the current signature of the MDP message is replaced without moving the cursor. Neat trick! Definitely is. Thanks! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
%ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi, I've been having problems trying to get this macro to work in my signatures. My quick template storing the signature is called sig. I've tried the following variations so far with no luck: %ISSIGNATUREsig %ISSIGNATURE sig %ISSIGNATURE=sig %ISSIGNATURE = sig %ISSIGNATURE = sig %ISSIGNATURE=sig %ISSIGNATURE(sig) Can anyone help me out here? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Broken lines when using the answer button.
Hi Robin Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 7:37:59 AM, you wrote: RA Could others confirm this? Definitely. Happens all the time. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
running maintenance with scheduler
Hi, Is there any way to run the folder maintenance process using the scheduler? I'd like to do this about once a week. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Feature Request
Hi Thomas Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote: S 1) I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is S an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same S sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the S problem on error, change folder name color would be cool. Keep the bold S for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account TF No; I have the same problem as Scott. I agree with both of you. This would be very helpful. TF However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a pop-up is TF even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it easy to TF determine which account failed. Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One little problem I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll up/down the account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account might not be immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain fails to suggest a better alternative than below for now :) Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too difficult to tack on an account name to that. As it stands, I find it not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply 5 messages received or error, blah blah does not help me. In a single account scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem. Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out. Or we could have a little error panel button in there somewhere...ahhh..I need to go wake up properly before I do this! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Feature Request
Hi Thomas Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote: S 1) I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is S an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same S sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the S problem on error, change folder name color would be cool. Keep the bold S for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account TF No; I have the same problem as Scott. I agree with both of you. This would be very helpful. TF However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a pop-up is TF even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it easy to TF determine which account failed. Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One problem I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll up/down the account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account might not be immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain fails to suggest a better alternative than below for now :) Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too difficult to tack on an account name to that error. As it stands, I find it not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply 5 messages received or error, blah blah does not help me. In a single account scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem. Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out. Or we could have a little error panel button in there somewhere...ahhh..I need to go wake up properly before I do this! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and Hotmail Popper problems
Hi Susanne Friday, November 21, 2003, 5:27:11 PM, you wrote: S I looked at Web2pop, but it seems you can only receive mail S with it, not send... That's true. For sending you usually need an account on an SMTP server. Most people get one from their ISP. Since you're using MSN broadband, though, I'm not sure if you've been given such an account. They probably expect you to use hotmail for everything. There's a way you can get such an account, though. There are numerous other webmail providers such as www.mailandnews.com that do give you a SMTP account you can use to send mail. Hunt around - you're sure to find one. When you do, come back here and we'll help you set it up so that you can send mail through web2pop. It's really easy if you haven't done it before. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and Hotmail Popper problems
Hi Susanne Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:57:39 PM, you wrote: S It looks like I'm loosing quite a few messages! S Does anyone know of another program like Hotmail Popper, S that I could try instead? You could try Web2Pop. I've had mixed experiences, but I'll lay them out so you can judge for yourself. - It works very well and has a huge number of plugins to support different webmail providers( hotmail, yahoo, fastmail, you name it). - I used to have the dupes problem too. The dupes weren't blank messages, though, so I never actually lost anything. (Try enabling RFC 822 headers on those blank mails to see if anything shows up - it works for me often.)But I changed three things, and I'm not sure which of them is responsible for fixing the problems: 1. One, I re-downloaded and reinstalled web2pop. The website didn't reflect this, but there was actually a version change because the exe file sizes of what I was originally using and what I downloaded. 2. Two, I changed my options to delete from server instead of keeping them on the server as I used to. 3. Three, I changed from ZoneAlarm to BlackICE. I did some testing on this though and it was not ZA that was responsible. However, ZA does create problems for some people, so I thought I'd mention it anyway. - On Yahoo, I sometimes have problems viewing forwarded HTML messages. They appear as 1.msg, 2.msg attachments etc. Doesnt happen all the time. But I figured out that viewing RFC 822 headers would let you view these, though the HTML tags would be visible. Final decision? I'm sticking with Web2POP. It does a pretty good job. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 4:26:04 PM, you wrote: RO In that case you could create a filter that exports a message to a RO file with a template that adds a reply-to header and that imports the RO message in the right folder via 'execute external program' Interesting approach :) I thought I was missing a simple way to do it, but apparently not. I'll give Nick's suggestion a whirl and come back to this if it doesn't work. Thanks Roelof. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Nick Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 5:05:16 PM, you wrote: NA Hmmm? I think I misread your Posting... sorry for confusing you. I too NA have one such List that I had to create a Folder level Template to NA overcome this. As Roelof mentioned, you have to fool around with your NA To: address. Here is how I changed mine to work: NA %TO=%TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this a folder template or address book? And just to make sure, there *are* supposed to be two TO's in there, right? (unusual syntax, with the apparently unbalanced quotation marks :)) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:06:23 AM, you wrote: RO A folder template. damn :) RO There must be two %To macros, but if you look again, you'll see that RO the quotation marks are balanced. RO The %To macro adds an address to the To: header, the only exception is RO when you're using %To=, that clears the To: header. RO What the macro above does, could be placed on two lines: RO %TO=%- RO %TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] RO First you clear the To: header, then you add an address. ah ok..now it makes sense. The two quotation marks after the first %To are meant to represent an empty field. The way it was written, it wasn't clear. Thanks! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:08:28 AM, you wrote: RO That would be my way too, but you insisted on 'no folder templates'. RO ;-) Well, all Marck's admonitions on how evil they are were bound to have some effect! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: problems with yahoo attachments
Hi Edgar Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 2:37:38 PM, you wrote: E The only thing that I have is that some messages seems to have E double spacing in the text. Yes I've noticed that too. I actually figured out how to view those 1.msg attachments. If you enable view RFC 822 headers then you can read them, albeit with all the irritating HTML tags in text form. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi, I have messages for a particular mailing list filtered into a folder. When I reply to messages on this, they go to the original sender rather than the list. How do I change this so that replies always go to the list instead? I'd like to avoid using folder templates if possible. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Nick Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 3:31:19 PM, you wrote: NA Use the following macro in your AB Template to force the Reply-To header NA to reflect the List Address... use for both New Messages and Replies: NA %ReplyTo=Actual List Address I've already tried that. Didn't work, I'm afraid. Would you know why? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Edgar Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 4:57:55 PM, you wrote: E - Is the mailing list address in the original header? Yes, it's in the To address field. E - Is there a sort of mark in the subject like [group]? I looked for that too but there isn't. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: problems with yahoo attachments
Hi Edgar Tuesday, November 18, 2003, 3:42:49 PM, you wrote: E I use Yahoopops and it's slow but I get the attachments (jpg E files) in one piece. E http://yahoopops.sourceforge.net/ Yes, I might have to give that a try. How about forwarded messages - do they come out ok? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
problems with yahoo attachments
Hi, Has anyone figured out what to do when you receive attachments from Yahoo via Web2pop or some other proxy? I rarely manage to get them intact..instead I end up with a 1.msg (or 2.msg, 3.msg if there are more attachments) file that I have no idea how to open. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
selective download of messages with attachments from server using filters
Hi, This is related to another question I just posted. I retrieve my Yahoo mail via web2pop. However, any attachments I receive are in the form of 1.msg files that I cannot open. I usually delete messages from the server when I download them, but I'd like to create a filter that leaves messages on the server if they have attachments or are forwards. How could I do this? The filter options offered no clue, so a first (very quick) guess at how to do it was: 1. create one filter for all messages with the options message does not have attachments and delete from server checked. The account properties would have to be modified to leave mail on the server. 2. create a second filter for all messages with the option message has attchments checked and delete from server unchecked. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Marck I'm top posting because I'd rather not reply to every single statement with the same sentence. You're being ridiculous here in claiming what you do. When you can see and predict what happens on every single installation of TB on the planet, come to me and we'll talk. And then I'll accept that TB doesn't mess things up here. You of all people should realize that software is not perfect. Until then, stick to moderation and stop trying to act clairvoyant. And mind your accusations about my making false claims. I see a problem and state it. If it upsets your world where TB is perfect, that's your problem. Deal with it. I'm not misleading everyone - why would I? I like TB, but neither am I as blind as you are to the possbility that things can go wrong with it. Thursday, November 13, 2003, 9:01:00 PM, you wrote: MDP @13-Nov-2003, 20:29 -0500 (14-Nov 01:29 UK time) Vishal said to MDP Marck: We could go on debating this forever. MDP Only as long as you keep getting it wrong. The fact remains, MDP ??? not a fact. A fallacy. You are mistaken. TB is not as infallible as you make it out to be. MDP Not in question. My only statement (and a *clear* fact) is that TB MDP doesn't wrap on send. I have seen many instances where what you claim does not happen. MDP No. You just think you have. I can 100% guarantee you haven't. What MDP you have seen was not down to TB. Please stop misleading other users MDP in this forum about your mistaken assumption. Let's just drop it. MDP No. You are making a false claim about TB functionality in public. I MDP can't let that stand. MDP TB does not wrap on send. MDP That is a fact. MDP PGP can introduce wrapping like you are talking about. TB cannot. MDP Please concede that you are misinformed about the source of the MDP formatting errors you are witnessing. TB won't do it, not without MDP outside interference. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Marck Thursday, November 13, 2003, 10:23:58 PM, you wrote: MDP Okay - please understand me when I inform you that when it happens MDP for you, then there is a specific reason for it. Obviously. TB does mangle some replies to messages. MDP Not on its own. Sorry, but it does. MDP Only if you have implemented some kind of wrapping macro in your reply MDP template. I haven't. MDP Maybe if you use the new Windows editor then you may *see* mangled MDP replies, but then that's not what TB is going to send, is it? (Damn that MDP new editor!) I don't. I use MicroEd. MDP Maybe if you use auto-format I don't. MDP TB's native quoting algorithm does nothing more than put a quote MDP prefix on every line being quoted. Nothing else. Nothing in that MDP action is ever going to mess with line wrapping. I perfectly understand. Somehow it still happens though. And I've wasted way more time on this thread than I planned to. I don't care enough to fix the problem. MDP Now, I understand that the issue may be moot for you, but as long as MDP you insist on informing other users (reading in this list) that TB MDP is incurably capable of messing up reply wrapping, I have a duty to MDP state that it is an incorrect assessment and that if it's happening MDP then something else is wrong. It's not an incorrect assessment. I do not use the options you outlined as possible causes. I do not use powerpro. I'm not talking about antiviruses or anything else interfering, since I haven't sent the message yet. I click reply and sometimes things are messed up. Not often enough for me to try to fix it. But it happens, and if you have a duty to say that it doesn't happen, I have an interest in correcting that. That said, I'm finished with this thread. One of your other messages was extremely insulting and I replied in kind. If you like, you can continue. You will not receive a reply. But I don't have the time to waste on trying to work out little niggling problems with all the tools I use if I will not save time by doing it. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Tony Friday, November 14, 2003, 7:37:04 AM, you wrote: TB So all we need to do now is to tune Vishal to the same place on the TB dial. We're already there Tony. We're talking about the same thing, only that Marck says that what I see cannot happen. Unfortunately it does. Or maybe not so unfortunate, since it doesn't happen often. Regardless, I don't really care as long as I can fix it the way I do currently. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Dead Horse Alert (was: Bat Alternatives)
Hi Allie Friday, November 14, 2003, 9:32:17 PM, you wrote: AM moderator AM Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not AM just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have AM instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Vishal. Interesting that you found my post, not Marck's, sufficiently provocative to do this. But I agree that it should end. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pocomail (was Base64 problem solved)
Hi Allie Thursday, November 13, 2003, 5:52:29 PM, you wrote: AM - Very much in its favour and that which I use a lot for searching is AM the alt-click filter. If you hold down the Alt key while clicking on any AM item in the message list, TB! will display only those messages that AM contain the same item you clicked on. Very interesting. Thanks :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Pocomail (was Base64 problem solved)
Hi Kitty Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 6:23:26 PM, you wrote: K What I liked (these are matters of personal taste): snip... I'd like to add one more thing. I love the way the preview pane shows you hyperlinks to the various replies you sent to a particular message. Great usability, but like you said, Pocomail's speed is what keeps me away from it. Plus TB's templates are more powerful. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Marck Saturday, November 8, 2003, 8:03:37 PM, you wrote: MDP I was and I was 100% correct: MDP TB does not wrap quoted text. MDP TB does not wrap on send. MDP This means that TB will not produce that orphaned quoted word MDP phenomenon seen with other software. You wish. TB messes up replies all the time, especially from Yahoo. If I had a sample handy I'd show you. But like I said, Alt+L fixes things so that I don't worry too much about it. Plus, I kind of like seeing text get reflowed in front of my eyes :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Bat Alternatives
Hi rich Saturday, November 8, 2003, 7:04:30 PM, you wrote: MDP It doesn't happen with TB. V Not true. It does, all the time. Especially when replying to mails sent from V Yahoo. I haven't bothered to analyze the particular situations in which it does V occur, because I usually just hit Alt-L to fix it immediately. It isn't much of V a problem for me that way. But it happens often. V Cheers, rg ALT-L does nothing to clear up the mess above. What mess? It looked fine to me when I received it. rg I am sure it'll look rg just fine after I receive it though but now, in this reply window, it looks rg like crap. Your and my text both look fine in the reply window too. Wish I could see what you saw. rg Where is it then that ALT-L does something? It usually manages to fix most problems for me. I couldn't give you specific examples of what it can and cannot fix, I'm afraid, since my success rate using it is close to 100%. I don't usually worry too much about the ones that don't get fixed either. I just find another quick way to get what I want. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Marck Saturday, November 8, 2003, 8:09:46 PM, you wrote: V Not true. It does, all the time. MDP (This is not correct). It is correct. We could go on debating this forever. The fact remains, TB is not as infallible as you make it out to be. I have seen many instances where what you claim does not happen. Let's just drop it. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Marck Thursday, November 13, 2003, 8:51:53 PM, you wrote: MDP No. I know. Let me try to explain it more clearly so that you MDP can catch up with the issue actually being discussed in this branch MDP of the (long dead) thread. I know what issue was being discussed. And I just checked my email after some time, so I'm replying to this (who cares if it is) long dead thread. MDP No, it doesn't. It does no reformatting on send. It does no MDP reformatting on reply. Ergo, TB can't be messing up the formatting, MDP can it? Theoretically, no. I understand the point you have been making. I don't see how it should happen either. But this does not bear out my experiences. MDP If something else messes it up before you see it, that's not MDP completely TB's fault, is it? No it isn't. But I wasn't talking about things happening before I see them. I'm talking about replies. MDP Or are you on about the extra line feeds Yahoo adds on some base 64 MDP encoded messages? No. MDP Either way, none of this has anything to do with the *subject at MDP hand*. It certainly does. See above. MDP Example: Here is a longer line of reply that has been badly wrapped by a client that does not know how to not wrap on send. MDP TB won't do that to text. *Please* stop saying it does! Why? I don't understand how you can claim certain behavior on its part when you DO NOT SEE what I see! Have you seen how messages look when I reply to them?? I don't know how it happens. I don't care how it happens. TB does mangle some replies to messages. And I fix it in a second. End of issue. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Marck Saturday, November 8, 2003, 4:10:53 AM, you wrote: I will try this (at 70 characters). I sure am spectacle that this won't sooner or later cause text lines with only one word on them to appear wrapping. MDP It doesn't happen with TB. Not true. It does, all the time. Especially when replying to mails sent from Yahoo. I haven't bothered to analyze the particular situations in which it does occur, because I usually just hit Alt-L to fix it immediately. It isn't much of a problem for me that way. But it happens often. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat Alternatives
Hi Edgar Saturday, November 8, 2003, 12:22:15 PM, you wrote: E Marck was refering to typed text. Some lines below it he says: E Since you're not typing quotes, they are allowed to get longer E than your wrap limit. I saw that, but his mail seemed to imply that he was referring to replies too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hi Martin Tuesday, October 28, 2003, 3:31:13 AM, you wrote: V I'm not sure what your point here is..did I miss something in the discussion? MW Yes, I think so... How? I read the whole thread. Were you talking about the repair scenario? MW Still more probable than a complete stranger sitting in front of my PC MW and reeking havoc with his hex editor. (assuming he can log on and MW access my folders) I think someone would notice that! :-) V This is actually completely unnecessary if this stranger somehow manages to V install a trojan on your machine remotely. MW And again. :-) No, I don't think I missed anything here. You and others seemed to imply that reading those plaintext passwords was only possible if someone had physical access. Either when he sat down at your machine to carry out the exploits mentioned in the article, or when you gave your hard disk out for repair. This isn't necessary. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hi Martin Tuesday, October 28, 2003, 1:02:56 PM, you wrote: MW Yes. If someone has concerns about passwords being compromised while the MW PC is repaired the simple solution is to change them beforehand. If that MW isn't possible then change them when it's returned. Actually, both would have to be done. MW That's because the original text MW (http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-October/012716.html) MW refers to someone hacking passwords using a hex editor while sitting in MW front of the PC. You're right. But it doesn't specifically have anything to do with sitting in front of the PC. He probably experimented on his own machine, so he did it that way. It talks about using a hex editor, but that vulnerability could just as easily be exploited remotely on a downloaded file. MW Nonetheless, I'm not disputing what you're saying, it's just not very MW probable on my machine. I'm sure you're right :) MW BTW, the passwords aren't plain text. My mistake, I meant messages :p Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Some serious security holes in 'The Bat!'
Hi Martin Monday, October 27, 2003, 4:48:28 PM, you wrote: JN They are two separate issues. A misused password can wreak boundless JN havoc for years after the incident. MW You use one password for everything? This issue is completely separate from the one of a misused password. You can have as many as you like, but if you don't change them, then it doesn't make any difference. Any one of them can be compromised and used for years. MW And continue to use it after the possibility of it being compromised? Often, the victim has no idea that he has been compromised. The situation described, where someone other than yourself is reading your email, is exactly one of these. If the attacker merely wants to read your mail without your knowing, and does not change anything, there is no reason for the average user to suspect wrongdoing. And therefore no reason to change his password. Even users who would not typically be considered 'average' grow complacent enough that this occurs often. MW Surely you would change your password(s) before handing your PC to a MW stranger? And if you can't beforehand, afterwards? I'm not sure what your point here is..did I miss something in the discussion? MW Certainly, if you're that concerned about password security you MW shouldn't save it in the first place; it's an option after all. :-) True. MW Still more probable than a complete stranger sitting in front of my PC MW and reeking havoc with his hex editor. (assuming he can log on and MW access my folders) I think someone would notice that! :-) This is actually completely unnecessary if this stranger somehow manages to install a trojan on your machine remotely. Compress it, encrypt it, bind it to an innocuous file type and most antiviruses will not catch it. No need to log on, the program could be made to run with your privileges. No need for a hex editor since he's not modifying anything. Most advanced trojans have impressive capabilities when it comes to downloading and uploading anything from your machine, so he could simply download the message files and .cfg files to his own machine and play in peace :) Hell, if he did want to wreak havoc, he could even fire up the hex editor and look through your downloaded EXEs. All this said, using PGPDisk and not using default installation paths is the way to go if you have reason to anticipate security breaches. Or use SecureBat, which I'll take the other posters' word for, is designed to be more secure. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: view images tabs are no longer there on the preview
Hi alists Thursday, October 23, 2003, 11:58:51 PM, you wrote: awc thanks.. still perplexed about this.. i appreciate your awc assistance. no problem laura. hope it gets fixed soon Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How do you use SMARTBAT?
Hi Darrin Thursday, October 23, 2003, 12:41:45 AM, you wrote: D Isnt this what a PIM is for? Wouldn't be surprised if they headed that way..they've got a great address book, email client, notepad and scheduler..what next? and they've certainly got the smarts to produce a good PIM. I wonder if this'll start a whole new slew of YES!s and NOOO!s :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: view images tabs are no longer there on the preview
Hi alists Thursday, October 23, 2003, 11:12:45 AM, you wrote: awc All the pictures that used to show up with a little tab on the awc bottom of the window (jpg and gif) are now requiring me to double awc click on them... as there are no longer any tabs. It happened with me yesterday when someone sent me a jpeg. I first thought I had the same problem as you, then I noticed that the file extension was '.jpe' not '.jpeg' as it was supposed to be. It still had the jpeg icon though. Perhaps something similar is happening to you? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AntiVir Plugin ?
Hi John Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 11:00:36 PM, you wrote: JM Hi The_Bat! Users, JM ,--- ( Tuesday, October 21, 2003 - Jim D Wrote ) JM | What's wrong with what you have installed now? (AVG Anti-Virus JM | Plugin) JM `--- how did you get that damn boxquote to work? i never can..which template did you use? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Undo or retrieving deletes
Hi P.Johnson Wednesday, October 22, 2003, 12:02:11 PM, you wrote: PJ Thank you all for your advice on how to retrieve a deleted message. PJ That one has disappeared (where does it go when deleted from Trash?) PJ but it certainly helps to know the Control-Z command and how to browse PJ the trash folder. Ctrl-Z works for you? It never does for me. What other suggestions did people have? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Undo or retrieving deletes
Hi rich Wednesday, October 22, 2003, 4:48:43 PM, you wrote: rg CTRL-Z for edit undo rg CTRL-Y for edit redo I thought you were talking about deleted messages. Ctrl-Z doesn't work for that right? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AntiVir Plugin ?
Hi MAU Wednesday, October 22, 2003, 7:04:53 PM, you wrote: M http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#boxquotes M Are you using the version 2 adaptation? I was actually using an older version. It never worked properly..but the one John sent me does. Thanks to both of you. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hot links in To:, CC: and BCC:
Hi MAU Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 1:47:50 PM, you wrote: M If on the Editor window I hover the mouse over the To:, CC: or BBC: text M (the text on the left of the corresponding fields) it changes colour to M white to indicate it is a hot link. If any of these hot links is M clicked, the E-mail Picker window is opened. Only works for CC and BCC for me. To changes color in the same way but clicking does nothing. Nice touch. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release (PGP)
Hi John Sunday, October 19, 2003, 6:06:03 PM, you wrote: JM For example only 5 people (who's keys I have) can read what I encrypted below: JM - -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- This is encrypted text, right? So these 5 people are ALL sharing the same public/private key combination? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: 2.01.00 Release (PGP)
Hi Jim Monday, October 20, 2003, 2:37:34 AM, you wrote: JD On 10/19/2003, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JD Vishal said: JM - -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- This is encrypted text, right? So these 5 people are ALL sharing the same public/private key combination? JD Actually, you use someone's PUBLIC key to encrypt the message, and JD then ONLY the PRIVATE key can decrypt it. That's exactly what I meant. If all 5 people have the same public key, they would all also need a copy of the private key to decrypt it. JD So by using all 5 public keys any of the 5 private keys that go with them JD can be used to decrypt the message. What exactly do you mean by 'using all 5 public keys'? Successive encryption using 5 different keys? If that were the case, any one of the private keys would not be enough to decrypt it. Using any one of them would only yield the ciphertext produced by the previous iteration. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: your signed emails
Hi Jurgen Monday, October 20, 2003, 2:55:56 AM, you wrote: JH I try to follow the thread about PGP and all, and I understand that JH your message has a tick because you sign it different from the others, JH right? Actually, the very fact that it is signed causes it to be ticked. People here are using different versions of PGP and their messages all show up similarly. JH Does that mean that one can only verify your message in TB and the JH likes, and not in Outlook? Or it doesn't matter? You should be able to verify the message in any client, provided there are no compatibility problems between it and your version of PGP. A digital signature in general does not really have anything specific to a particular email client. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release (PGP)
Hi Leif Monday, October 20, 2003, 10:53:05 AM, you wrote: LG Hello Vishal, LG Monday, October 20, 2003, 2:29:01 AM, you wrote: V That's exactly what I meant. If all 5 people have the same public V key, they would all also need a copy of the private key to decrypt V it. LG No *Yes*. All 5 would have to have the private key to decrypt this message, if it were encrypted using the *same* public key. LG , if you encrypt a message using my public key, and Marck's public key, and LG Allie's public key, then any one of us could decrypt the message using our LG own private key. We are talking about different things. You're talking about multiple recipients for one message, which indeed works as you described. I am talking about encrypting multiple times, with the base for the new iteration being the ciphertext produced by the previous one. A message/file encrypted using this procedure could not be decrypted by simply using any one of the recipients' private keys. LG I won't pretend I know how it works, but it's not encryption on encryption, LG but a way of encrypting it that any one of use could decrypt it using our LG own private key. Let me see if I can explain it. PGP actually uses both symmetric and asymmetric encryption. What happens is this: the initial message is encrypted using the symmetric algorithm you chose (IDEA, 3DES, whatever) using a one-time, randomly generated 'session key'. This key is then encrypted using the public key algorithm(RSA, DH/DSS, whatever) that you chose. The encrypted key is then sent to the recipient together with the text encrypted by your symmetric algorithm. While decrypting, the recipient uses his private key to decrypt the session key, and then uses this key to decrypt the message. When sending to multiple recipients, it is actually the session key that is encrypted with each of the recipients' public keys. This is why the message can be decrypted using any one of them. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release (PGP)
Hi Leif Monday, October 20, 2003, 2:22:49 PM, you wrote: LG Ahhh. Hence my confusion over your question. I honestly can't think of LG a situation where five people would share a key. That's why I posed my question in the first place :) Neither can I. LG I can see in a LG corporate situation where five people might be on a corporate keyring, LG but each with their own sub-key. Or if each had individual keys, but there was a corporate ADK that each message was also encrypted with. LG Yes, if you wanted to layer encryption, you could recursively feed the LG output of one crypto to the next. Again, why? Unless you're maybe LG passing high level secrets, then maybe, but for standard end users? I work on security issues at several levels. I've been involved in discussions where multiple encryption was considered, both as a research issue and as a means of adding protection within a particular setup we had. For the end user though, a 2048-bit key provides more than adequate protection in most cases. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fixed Width Fonts
Hi MAU Friday, October 17, 2003, 1:13:12 PM, you wrote: M Which doesn't mean that I don't hate HTML e-mail ;-) As long as you can stay rational about it like you showed, I don't care :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Block Quote macro
Hi Jacopo Friday, October 17, 2003, 9:20:15 AM, you wrote: JO Well, I actually tried any options (A/F off, Autowrap On/Off...) but I JO got back this again and again: JO ,- [ ] | Marck, I tried to use the bq macro, but what i obtain is only one long JO line of text and no nice blocks like in your messages, as you can see JO in the next block sample. Is there some required option I did'nt JO noticed? `- Problem confirmed at my end. I can never get this thing to work no matter what the autoformat and autowrap options are. Help,someone? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Fixed Width Fonts
Hi MAU Friday, October 17, 2003, 4:27:50 AM, you wrote: M Among other reasons, because there was no other option when e-mail was M invented ;-)) Hear hear..finally someone who realizes the truth :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release
Hi John Thursday, October 16, 2003, 12:37:44 AM, you wrote: JM Sorry if I scared you, but this really is from me, here is my phone JM number too If you would like to verify that I sent this message. JM 573-222-2483 Ok, I bite the bait and jump in :) The reason digital signatures are so useful is that they can really authenticate you in a near categorical manner. To fake a digital signature is very difficult due to the mathematical properties and trust mechanisms it is based on. On the other hand, how can I be sure that the person at the phone number you mentioned is really John Morse? For a reasonably skilled attacker, creating an email message apparently from John Morse is easy. This spoofed message can be made to look VERY convincing. Putting a phone number of his choice in the email is easy too, since he's writing the email in the first place. I call the number and talk to the attacker. All he has to say is Yep this is John. Told ya!. How would I know if I were really talking to you? If you had signed that message digitally, however, the reader could be very sure that the sender was indeed John Morse. Work is in place to have digital signatures granted the same legality as handwritten signatures. It's rather interesting actually if you'd like to read up on it somewhere. I don't agree with the person who called you ignorant and refused to explain further. Many people don't know how PGP really works and what its benefits could be. To them it just gets in the way. Very understandable. Brushing them off isn't going to help increase mass acceptance, though. A major stumbling block is that most people don't know others who're using PGP, so they're hesitant to adopt it. Once it becomes more widespread, however, people will grow to like the confidentiality and, as we call it, non-repudiation that things like PGP can provide. Check it out sometime, you might like it too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release [PGP]
Hi John Thursday, October 16, 2003, 10:09:30 AM, you wrote: JM Thanks for helping me to understand this. You're welcome :) JM Anytime I have ever asked about PGP, I have just been insulted or told JM to go look it up on another website. I know..I've seen it often. Not just with PGP but other technical issues. JM But if people are going to talk JM about it so much on this list they should at least be willing to JM explain it a little, like you have done... I really appreciate you JM taking the time to do this... I may experiment with PGP once I JM understand it a little more. I hope you do. I don't use it for all my correspondence, but it does come in useful when you really need to send encrypted messages or simply assure the recipient that the mail is really from you. PGP can do both. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP made easy (Was Re[3]: 2.01.00 Release)
Hi mm Thursday, October 16, 2003, 8:21:14 AM, you wrote: mM The PGP to the uninitiated merely seems to be junk that takes up mM bandwidth. Exactly. For those who don't care about bandwidth, it takes up screen space. More support for PGP/MIME across mailers will help matters. mM Thank you for an insightful post. You're welcome. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: GnuPG
Hi Stuart Thursday, October 16, 2003, 10:08:14 AM, you wrote: SH I'm currently using PGP Corp's PGPv8 but wondered if I'd be better SH of using GnuPG. One of the things I do do though is use the PGP SH front end to sign/encrypt things other than mail and don't really SH want to have to battle with the cmd line for each task. Why are you even considering the move? If PGP does everything for you, stick with it unless you want to use it commercially. In that case GPG makes sense because you can use it freely for commercial purposes. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: You do not have a OpenPGP private key. Create it first!
Hi John Thursday, October 16, 2003, 12:49:42 PM, you wrote: JM You do not have a OpenPGP private key. Create it first! JM How do i create it? tools | openpgp | openpgp key manager. You need a private key to sign messages. A suggestion here John, hunt around for a basic PGP tutorial on the net. It'll help a lot in answering questions like this because you'll understand how the process works. JM Also, how do i check it, can I send an email to myself and tell JM someway that it was really me that sent it? Yep. If you click on the little icon in the preview pane that says verify openpgp header it should verify your signature. A disclaimer here though, I've never used PGP specifically with TB so my knowledge here is limited. I've used it elsewhere for quite some time, however. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Glyphs [PGP]
Hi Leif Thursday, October 16, 2003, 7:02:17 PM, you wrote: JM Allie, are you a Dude? LG You know Marck and I have selfsame wondered that very thought for LG many a year! VEG I always thought he was a girl till i saw his website one day :) Hey, I'm a big Allie Walker fan..don't blame me! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release
Hi Marck Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 10:12:31 PM, you wrote: MDP It means that my messages are PGP/MIME signed and that (if you use MDP PGP or GnuPG) you can verify 1) that they come from me and 2) that MDP they are unchanged. Do we need to install some other version of PGP for this? Because as usual, your and Allie's signatures don't validate. Invalid signature - unknown signature format. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 2.01 - New Logo
Hi Roelof Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 6:51:08 PM, you wrote: SF Blimey - that sure flew out of the screen at me!! RO Yuck! I want the old one back. No way..I love this one :) TB needs color! Even though I'm going to disable splash screens again :p Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: WinPIM
Hi Chris Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 3:35:55 AM, you wrote: From the Help: CM If you use the Maximize Window button in the calendar area, the CM calendar will fill the entire Time Chaos window in a Month View mode. CM Actually, I couldn't find a maximize button, great usability :) CM but double-clicking on the CM Calendar title bar brought up the full-month view. CM [snip] CM If you double-click on a day in a particular week, the Month View will CM turn into a Week View to allow you to focus on the smaller period. CM So there you have it...a weekly view. interesting. i stand corrected. but as i'd said earlier, time and chaos - no weekly view. no notes. ok looking calendar..didn't explore much though. i hadn't explored that calendar much. CM In the Telephone Book sub-window there is a menu icon for Notes. Can't CM be much more obvious than that. Oh I saw that. Those notes are meant to be attached to appointments or . Radically different from what I meant. I wanted notes that would enable me to use this as a real information manager. That meant independent notes(not attached to an appointment), of unlimited size, searchable, in tree outline, and with rich text/HTML support so I can make for example - bulleted lists. TC's notes were pretty useless in this regard, so for my purpose there were no notes. WinPIM offers all this and more in a nicer interface. Check it out again - it's improved. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: WinPim
Hi Steve Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 10:01:50 AM, you wrote: ST How do you sync the address book with TB? I don't use the address book. TB is my address book. But I'll experiment with moving it out one day. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi Jan Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 8:13:25 AM, you wrote: JR You might take a look @ Opensoft's Ariadne Organizer. Interesting. I ran across this earlier but didn't check it out. I'll give it a whirl. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release
Hi Allie Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 6:30:28 AM, you wrote: AM Which PGP version are you using? If it's the integrated PGP version, Yes it is. AM then it will not be able to validate our signatures since it's based on AM PGP v2.x which doesn't support DH/DSS key types. I'd recommend using AM either GnuPG or PGP v7 or later. I use PGP 7 on my other machines. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Searching in messages
Hi Cedric Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 4:43:11 PM, you wrote: CF Also, if I want to search in a folder and all sub-folders I have to CF check them all or is there a faster way to do it ? Checking the account name usually selects all folders and subfolders. I can't help if you'd rather only select a particular folder's subfolders. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: filter logs
Hi Adam Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 5:27:44 PM, you wrote: V I did look at that but it didn't show any filter activity. Hmmm..looks like the V filters aren't responsible at all then. I guess I'll figure it out. Thanks. A Filter processing should appear there, if you scroll to the right. It A tells you what filter rule Processed by... I know..I meant that there was actually no filter activity going on because it usually does show up. Thanks Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
anybody having problems with Web2Pop?
Hi, I haven't been able to receive any mail from Yahoo accounts via Web2Pop for a week now. A quick search on the web2pop forums revealed that others are having similar problems. I'd like to know if it's working for anyone here though. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Preview Pane
Hi Thomas Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 10:32:12 AM, you wrote: C In version 2, when no message is selected, the preview pane in empty C and grey. Maybe I'm weird, but the empty preview pane is unnerving. TF It makes sense to me. Not to me. I don't like having to click one more time. We actually debated this earlier before 2.0 was out didn't we? At that time it was supposed to be customizable, but it looks like they didn't do it that way when 2.0 finally came out. Any idea why not? I'm for having it simply go away and allow me full height view of the message list.. disappear/reappear automatically. TF I am against that. I don't want my view change all the time. ;-) Me too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release
Hi Allie Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 7:39:35 PM, you wrote: AM Vishal, [V] wrote: V I use PGP 7 on my other machines. AM Do you have my public key? AM I don't see why my signatures shouldn't verify for you. They verify ok AM here, i.e., the copies of messages sent back to me from the list server. Oh what I meant was that I just have PGP 7 on those. I don't actually use TB there :) Your earlier explanation was fine. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: anybody having problems with Web2Pop?
Hi Edgar Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 6:08:46 PM, you wrote: E I use Yahoopops and it works fine. (But slow) Yes that's always a problem with these proxies. Same with web2pop. I hope web2pop starts working again soon. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi John Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 1:48:57 AM, you wrote: JM You might try WinDates, It is still being developed, most recent is version JM 5. It is my favorite PIM. http://www.rockinsoftware.com/windates.htm Yep I saw this too. Nice program. It didn't have the 'notes' I needed though. Please see my other email which outlines what my criteria were..I needed a proper Information manager-cum-calendar. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: and WinOrganizer ?
Hi Stefano Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 11:28:26 AM, you wrote: SZ Hi, SZ Take a look also to this one: SZ http://www.tgslabs.com/eng/ yep definitely something i liked. i had a VERY hard time choosing between this and winpim :) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: WinPIM
Hi Steve Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 10:35:53 AM, you wrote: ST Has anyone compared WinPIM with Time Chaos? What were your conclusions? For me it was the opposite. This is the note I kept about it when I was done evaluating. I kept notes on lots of PIMs :) time and chaos - no weekly view. no notes. ok looking calendar..didn't explore much though. since no notes, no use keeping email client either. better calendar and address books in winorganizer and winpim WinPIM is far better in my opinion. It has an Outlook synchronizer too. Sorry for the OT post, Leif. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi Darrin Sunday, October 12, 2003, 10:13:54 PM, you wrote: D Sorry I missed most of this. What is WinPIM and where can I check it out at? It's a great PIM..the original question about TB's integration with PIMs. Anyway, this is moving offtopic, so please email me personally or on TBOT if you'd like to know anything more. http://www.winpim.com/ Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter question
Hi Adam Monday, October 13, 2003, 2:41:14 PM, you wrote: A And how do you tell a filter not to move messages elsewhere? If Inbox is the folder where the mails arrive, move to Inbox should do the trick. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
filter logs
Hi, Is there any way to view a log for what the filters have been doing? I haven't been receiving any messages in my Inbox over the past few days for one of my accounts even though the connection center says that messages were received. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: filter logs
Hi MAU Monday, October 13, 2003, 5:14:49 PM, you wrote: M Account/View log, or Sift+Ctrl+A I did look at that but it didn't show any filter activity. Hmmm..looks like the filters aren't responsible at all then. I guess I'll figure it out. Thanks. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi Joan Monday, October 13, 2003, 4:49:41 PM, you wrote: JJ Have you tried ECCO? It can open TB and receive information from TB. Yes. I didn't like it though. It is also no longer being supported, so I discarded it. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: WinPim
Hi Darrin Monday, October 13, 2003, 9:43:04 PM, you wrote: D I just downloaded winpim demo. Im very impressed. It seem really great! Ill D probably end up buying it. Any special features that you recommend that are D in it? Well well :) Yep it is great..very clean and pretty much everything I could want. And I evaluated MANY in my search for an Outlook replacement. I needed a PIM with a great interface that could show 1/7/30-day views, have a todo list apart from daily appointments, and be able to take notes of unlimited size(no 50k limit or something similar). Also a contact book with customizable fields (I keep logs of phone conversations). This is it. Another is Redbox organizer but that's twice the size (also has more features, I'll admit). I didn't want a wimpy program though - it needed to be powerful, and this meets my requirements very well. A third program which was almost identical in functionality and interface to WinPIM was Franklin Covey Planning software. The killer? It was 29 MB. This is 3. Go figure. That one had some philosophical elements too that I didn't have time to evaluate. I love the notes feature. No more sticky pads for me. Phone conversation - number to note down? Takes a second. Random restaurant's name/interesting article/shopping list/sample cover letters/whatever? Notes again. The search facility means I can just dump any info into a note and search for it when the time comes. Organization doesn't matter. It's essential for me now and I really recommend you explore both the plain text and rich text notes. I use the latter mostly as it offers window sizes larger than the little plain text ones which are meant to replace paper post-its. I find those irritating when I'm storing information for the long term. So far there's no way to set customize a default size for all plain text notes. One caveat - the reminder window that pops up has skins that suck. Modifying the INI files can fix this, as even the other skins available on the website are no better. The modifications are trivial though. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: replies and cutlines
Hi Allie Sunday, October 12, 2003, 3:54:27 AM, you wrote: AM The key to such a template is the use of the %Clear macro which erases the AM original template output and replaces it with the new one. Just the original template output and NOT anything else we have written in the mail text so far, right? I wouldn't want my whole email wiped out if I decide to change signatures at the end. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Send-Reply: how to organize thread ?
Hi Alexander Thursday, October 9, 2003, 6:51:49 AM, you wrote: This doesn't work if you'd like the threading capability for every person you correspond with. Creating that many folders is out of the question for most people. AAG You are completely right! It's not possibly to create folder for each AAG unpredictable person. I hope you got my earlier offlist reply. Roelof actually pointed out that all folders can have threading, not just mailing list ones as his earlier mail implied. You could set the threading option for your inbox and it should help matters a lot, at least as far as threading goes. The replies in same box as sent messages isn't something I've thought about. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?
Hi John Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:17:07 AM, you wrote: V TB's address book IS my contact book. It stores pretty much everything I'd V want about my contacts. And my PIM (WinPIM - awesome piece of software) can V talk to TB if TB is the default email client. Whether TB can talk to WinPIM V - I don't know. Unlikely, at least directly. J You've confused me in above remark. J You say that WinPIM can talk to TB if it's the default email client. Right. Just like when you click on any mailto link in a webpage, TB opens up with a new message, right? This is because TB is the registered mail handler. WinPIM works similar (as will most other PIMs). It stores email addresses in its contact book. (VERY powerful contact book by the way.)When you click on any of these addresses, TB opens up and sends a message to that contact. J Yet in the last remark you say whether it can talk to TB - you dont know. Did J I misunderstand? I'm afraid so. Sorry for making it confusing :) What I meant was that WinPIM can open up TB as I described above(so it can 'talk' to TB), but TB can't open up WinPIM because there is no 'registered PIM'. So I said it can't 'talk back'. Actually there might be a way to make TB open up your PIM using the scheduler. I haven't played much with the scheduler though so you'll have to experiment to see if this is true. TB can run programs at certain times using the scheduler, if I recall correctly. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: replies and cutlines
Hi Allie Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:22:26 AM, you wrote: AM If you wish to toppost, then you need to change your template before AM editing since the %clear macro completely deletes all the text in the AM body text field of the editor. I see. AM If you wish to be selective with signature and header information AM changes, then you can replace a signature by adding %issignature in AM your signature quick template, in addition to the header change macros AM like %From= and %Replyto= What do you mean by be selective with signature and header information changes? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Send-Reply: how to organize thread ?
Hi Thomas Sunday, October 12, 2003, 11:45:24 AM, you wrote: You could set the threading option for your inbox and it should help matters a lot, at least as far as threading goes. TF The threads wouldn't be complete, as his replies are not in that TF folder. I didn't realize he wanted his own replies there too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
