Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Richard,

@30-Oct-2016, 9:29  +  (30-Oct 09:59 here) Richard L de S Clauson
[RLD] in mid:1285301168.20161030095...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  

... 
>>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I 
>>> use
... 
>>> I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.
... 
RLD> I've now upgraded from v6.8.8 to v7.3.12, but not all the "extra wide"
RLD> emails are reformatted to fit inside the message pane of the triple-pane
RLD> window.  Most disappointed.

At  the  time  of writing HTML formatting had apparently been fixed in
the  latest  versions.  The BugTraq report has even been closed.

Since  then,  I  too have been disappointed to see images swelling the
HTML  again and have reported this to the developers. My apologies for
the mislead - entirely unintentional, I assure you. I will be pressing
RITlabs  to  re-open  the bug report to allow further investigation of
the issue.

-- 
Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! 
v7.3.12.4 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.14393

pgpugLk5O4r0J.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Saturday, September 24, 2016, 12:12:19 AM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:
> Thursday, September 22, 2016, 1:42:15 PM, Marck Pearlstone 
> (ma...@silverstones.com) wrote:
>> Dear Richard,
>>
>> @22-Sep-2016, 6:03  +0100  (22-Sep 12:26 here) Richard L de S Clauson
>> [RLD] in mid:967995112.20160922122...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  
>>
>> ... 
>>
>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I 
>> use
>>
 ... This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
 an issue in the next release.
>>
RLD>>> Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest
RLD>>> release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look 
correct,
RLD>>> and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?
>>
>> Essentially, yes.
>>
>> I wouldn't know whether or not they look "correct" since I haven't
>> compared. All I can say for certain is that this specific bug was
>> called out as a bug, addressed a month or so back in the beta version
>> and has been fixed. This fix has improved my personal reading of HTML
>> mails with embedded pictures to a point of near perfection rather than
>> sprawling the message to the width of the largest picture and not
>> scaling.
>>
>> I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.
>>
>
> Marck,
>
> That sounds excellent news.  One of my bug-bears with The Bat! was the way 
> that it sometimes failed to render an HTML email in a sufficiently readable 
> way when the sender was cavalier with the sizes of the images they supplied 
> and slack with the HTML code they used to define their output/display.
>
> I hope that this fix has also been replicated into the way emails are then 
> printed.  Even if the Windows OS HTML Viewer rendering option is chosen the 
> printing rendering reverts back to that of The Bat! HTML Viewer rendering.
>
> I'll now put in for an Upgrade licence fron v6.x to v7.x.
>
> Thanks
>


Marck,

I've now upgraded from v6.8.8 to v7.3.12, but not all the "extra wide" 
emails are reformatted to fit inside the message pane of the triple-pane 
window.  Most disappointed.

-- 
Richard L de S Clauson, 0118-956-7775 or 07710-412815
email:mailto:rich...@virbius.co.uk
website:  http://www.virbius.co.uk/ ( more is hidden than viewable ! )
Virbius Business, 0844-588-1397 (fax 0870-879-1562)

Using The Bat! v7.3.12 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Thursday, September 22, 2016, 1:42:15 PM, Marck Pearlstone 
(ma...@silverstones.com) wrote:
> Dear Richard,
>
> @22-Sep-2016, 6:03  +0100  (22-Sep 12:26 here) Richard L de S Clauson
> [RLD] in mid:967995112.20160922122...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  
>
> ... 
>
> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I 
> use
>
>>> ... This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
>>> an issue in the next release.
>
RLD>> Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest
RLD>> release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look 
correct,
RLD>> and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?
>
> Essentially, yes.
>
> I wouldn't know whether or not they look "correct" since I haven't
> compared. All I can say for certain is that this specific bug was
> called out as a bug, addressed a month or so back in the beta version
> and has been fixed. This fix has improved my personal reading of HTML
> mails with embedded pictures to a point of near perfection rather than
> sprawling the message to the width of the largest picture and not
> scaling.
>
> I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.
>

Marck,

That sounds excellent news.  One of my bug-bears with The Bat! was the way 
that it sometimes failed to render an HTML email in a sufficiently readable 
way when the sender was cavalier with the sizes of the images they supplied 
and slack with the HTML code they used to define their output/display.

I hope that this fix has also been replicated into the way emails are then 
printed.  Even if the Windows OS HTML Viewer rendering option is chosen the 
printing rendering reverts back to that of The Bat! HTML Viewer rendering.

I'll now put in for an Upgrade licence fron v6.x to v7.x.

Thanks

-- 
Richard L de S Clauson, 0118-956-7775 or 07710-412815
email:mailto:rich...@virbius.co.uk
website:  http://www.virbius.co.uk/ ( more is hidden than viewable ! )
Virbius Business, 0844-588-1397 (fax 0870-879-1562)

Using The Bat! v6.8.8 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Richard,

@22-Sep-2016, 6:03  +0100  (22-Sep 12:26 here) Richard L de S Clauson
[RLD] in mid:967995112.20160922122...@virbius.co.uk said to TBUDL:  

... 

 email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use

>> ... This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
>> an issue in the next release.

RLD> Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest
RLD> release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look 
correct,
RLD> and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?

Essentially, yes.

I wouldn't know whether or not they look "correct" since I haven't
compared. All I can say for certain is that this specific bug was
called out as a bug, addressed a month or so back in the beta version
and has been fixed. This fix has improved my personal reading of HTML
mails with embedded pictures to a point of near perfection rather than
sprawling the message to the width of the largest picture and not
scaling.

I'm not certain of the release state of the fixed version.

-- 
Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v7.3.4.1 
(BETA) on Windows 10.0.14393 

'

pgp0DiXnTOJZq.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 9:27:08 AM, Marck Pearlstone 
(ma...@silverstones.com) wrote:
> Dear Richard,
>
> @13-Sep-2016, 0:41  +0100  (13-Sep 07:00 here) Richard L de S Clauson
> [RLD] in mid:273697223.20160913070...@virbius.co.uk said to Richard:  
>
RLD>> Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 6:42:35 PM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:
>
> ... 
>>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use
> ... 
>>> Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
>>> definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
>>> behaviour?
>
> No.
>
RLD>> Is anyone likely to answer my problem (above)?
>
> Yes. This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
> an issue in the next release.
>

Marck,

Are you saying that if I now upgrade from 6.8.8 to 7.3.4 (the latest 
release) that emails formatted in the TheBat! HTML Viewer will look correct, 
and as good as those formatted in the Windows OS HTML Viewer?

Richard

-- 
Richard L de S Clauson, 0118-956-7775 or 07710-412815
email:mailto:rich...@virbius.co.uk
website:  http://www.virbius.co.uk/ ( more is hidden than viewable ! )
Virbius Business, 0844-588-1397 (fax 0870-879-1562)

Using The Bat! v6.8.8 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Richard,

@13-Sep-2016, 0:41  +0100  (13-Sep 07:00 here) Richard L de S Clauson
[RLD] in mid:273697223.20160913070...@virbius.co.uk said to Richard:  

RLD> Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 6:42:35 PM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:

... 
>> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use
... 
>> Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
>> definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
>> behaviour?

No.

RLD> Is anyone likely to answer my problem (above)?

Yes. This is a bug in TB that was fixed 2 betas ago and is no longer
an issue in the next release.

-- 
Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v7.3.2 
on Windows 10.0.14393 

'

pgpZuqTj04j0I.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with size (width) of HTML messages using internal viewer

[Richard L de S Clauson]

Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 6:42:35 PM, Richard L de S Clauson 
(rich...@virbius.co.uk) wrote:
> For quite some time (probably over 2 years) dome of the HTML (formatted) 
> emails I receive are formatted very badly by The Bat!.
>
> What is happening, and mainly caused by large embedded images, is that the 
> email ends up much wider than the message plane in the 3-plane layout I use 
> can display (folders all down left side, folder content top-right, message 
> bottom-right).
>
> When I temporarily switch from "Use The Bat! HTML viewer" to "Use Windows OS
> HTML Viewer" the the email is re-sized to fit the Message plane.
>
> Are there any settings, including tweaking the underlying template or 
> definition or CSS files, that I can change to stop this really annoying 
> behaviour?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>


Is anyone likely to answer my problem (above)?

-- 
Richard L de S Clauson, 0118-956-7775 or 07710-412815
email:mailto:rich...@virbius.co.uk
website:  http://www.virbius.co.uk/ ( more is hidden than viewable ! )
Virbius Business, 0844-588-1397 (fax 0870-879-1562)

Using The Bat! v6.8.8 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems moving mail to Windows 8.1

[Jenny Zonneveld]

Monday, December 30, 2013, 10:25:48 AM, you wrote:

Hello Tbudl,

I'm trying to move my mail to my W8.1 laptop as I want to phase out my old XP 
system. I've created a backup and copied that to the new machine, I've 
installed the latest version of The Bat! (as on the XP machine) and I am trying 
to restore all my mail accounts. I left it running all night, but to no avail, 
the Maintenance Centre simply says 'not responding'.

Is this a know 'feature'? or am I doing something wrong?


-- 
Kind regards,
Jenny Zonneveld 
The Bat! 6.1.8.0 (Christmas Edition)
Windows XP 5.1 2600
Service Pack 3

I'm still having problems restoring my mail to my Windows 8.1 laptop. 
As Rick suggested on this list I have run The Bat! as Administrator and changed 
the permissions of the backup file concerned, but this doesn't make any 
difference. 

Does any one have any other suggestions please?

Kind regards
Jenny Zonneveld

Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems moving mail to Windows 8.1

[Rick]

I had trouble too (and this will happen every so often) Run it as administrator 
- either right click the icon on the desktop or the RT screen and you will be 
presented with that option. Once it runs that way you can run it normally after 
that ... until the next time. You can even do this from the program icon if you 
wish. If that doesn't work, check the permissions on the l folder and all it's 
sub containers and even if administrators have full access, add yourself 
specifically with full access

-- 
Rick
Blessed are the cracked, for they will let in the light.

v6.1.8.3 (BETA) on Windows 6.2 Build  9200

Using all POP accounts
I download all images

 




Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems sending mail

[Code 2]

Code>> 5/1/2012,  12:08:09: SEND - Access violation at address 00405D77
Code>> in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 3290F25C

Code>> I use The Bat! version 4.2.44.2.


RF> I would make a full Backup of TB! and remove/reinstall a client to the
RF> same  version  I  use  (or/and first I would try v5 to see if there is
RF> still  a problem). Don't forget to mark 'Store external attachments in
RF> message body'.


Ritlabs responded and said "That problem is within the programme's
executable file. To fix it you need to use another version."

With that and Fedara's advice above, I upgraded to 5.0.36 and --
fingers crossed -- I seem to be okay.

Interestingly, an earlier upgrade from version 4.2.42 to version
4.2.44.2 (with, presumably, an updated executable file) did not
resolve the issue.

Thanks for all the help, everyone.

-- 
Code 2  :canadaflag:  mailto:co...@shaw.ca
The Bat! version 5.0.36.2 on Windows XP Service Pack 3
Norwegian cocktail lounge: Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar.



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems sending mail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Code,

Wednesday, May 2, 2012, 2:10:35 AM, you wrote:

C2> I am unable to send mail and I am getting the following error message
C2> in my account log:

C2> 5/1/2012, 12:08:09: SEND - Access violation at address 00405D77 in
C2> module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 3290F25C 

C2> It used to be infrequent and random, but it is happening almost all
C2> the time, now. It occurs across all my mail accounts regardless of
C2> SMTP server. I can receive mail with no trouble. Restarting The Bat!,
C2> rebooting, and disabling my firewall and anti-virus applications have
C2> no effect.

C2> I use The Bat! version 4.2.44.2.

C2> Can anyone suggest a solution?

FWIW, I had this problem once. Restarting TB! helped, but some
research made me think that my anti-virus program was the culprit.

Do you have any anti-virus / anti-trojan program scanning your
outgoing messages?

-- 
Cheers,
Thomas.

Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.44
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems sending mail

[Alto Speckhardt]

Hi,


> 3/30/2012, 09:14:26: SEND - Access violation at address 00405D77 in
> module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 3290F25C

Do you have any plugins installed/activated?


-- 
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Alto Speckhardt
mailto:a...@treadstone79.de

pgphXTVqwqiax.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems sending mail

[RS (FEDARA)]

Hi Code,

Code> 5/1/2012,  12:08:09: SEND - Access violation at address 00405D77
Code> in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 3290F25C

Code> I use The Bat! version 4.2.44.2.

Never had such problem.

I would make a full Backup of TB! and remove/reinstall a client to the
same  version  I  use  (or/and first I would try v5 to see if there is
still  a problem). Don't forget to mark 'Store external attachments in
message body'.

Removing  of  entries in the registry when TB! is uninstalled might be
good  as  well  but  I  do  hate  manual  play with registry... make a
registry  backup  prior  to  playing  with  it so you have a chance to
restore  it.  As  for clearing registry probably other people here can
tell you much more.


If  you  want  to  go  back later on to v4 I would use an original TBK
backup  rather  than  the one from v5 and added manually received/send
out e-mails. To make it easier I would install TB! v5 without internet
connection  and  created  rules to save EML messages on Receive and on
Send  in separated folders (in that way if you decide to go back to v4
and get e-mails you send/received while on v5 it's just enough to Drag
And  Drop e-mails from a folder on HDD into a proper folder in TB! (in
my  case  it  would  be RECEIVED GENERAL and SEND GENERAL - I move all
e-mails to one folder before filtering - and apply filtering CTRL+F).


I  would  make  a copy of TB! folder as well - worked for me before to
manually swap data into newly installed TB!. Just in case.


If  reinstalled  v5  and  v4  are  still  not working properly I would
reinstall   OS   (it's  fast for me because I restore it from OS image
to about 90% of what I use daily ; about 30min for restore process and
about  1-2 hour for downloading OS and other software updates). If you
need to reinstall all the stuff it will take much longer.

If  you  can make a try first on other machine with importing your TBK
and  checking if it all works good on other computer I would recommend
it  prior  to  removing  it from your machine. On a clean computer TB!
should  work  properly  after  TBK is imported. If you install it on a
clean machine use 3rd party program to monitor which parts of registry
are  modified  (it  will  help you to get this part out of registry on
your computer).

That  would  be  all  on my side ; sorry, but nothing else comes to my
mind.

-- 
Best Regards,
RS (FEDARA)

The Bat! 5.1.2
Windows 7 x64 Professional (7601 Service Pack 1)
POP3 accounts (x5)

Wednesday, May 2, 2012 (03:14 ; GMT+8)





Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems sending mail

[Code 2]

I posted this problem here last month and I have not found a solution.
Technical Support hasn't responded to my trouble ticket. Here's a
recap.

I am unable to send mail and I am getting the following error message
in my account log:

5/1/2012, 12:08:09: SEND - Access violation at address 00405D77 in
module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 3290F25C 

It used to be infrequent and random, but it is happening almost all
the time, now. It occurs across all my mail accounts regardless of
SMTP server. I can receive mail with no trouble. Restarting The Bat!,
rebooting, and disabling my firewall and anti-virus applications have
no effect.

I use The Bat! version 4.2.44.2.

Can anyone suggest a solution?

-- 
Code 2  :canadaflag:  mailto:co...@shaw.ca
The Bat! version 4.2.44.2 on Windows XP Service Pack 3
In a dentist office: Be true to your teeth or they will be false to you.



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems on Windows 7

[Jack]

>> - In XP, the icon for TB was in the system tray. Windows 7
>> doesn't see to have a way to place it there and places it in
>> the task bar. Sometimes, and I can't isolate what causes it, 
>> the icon will move to what

BM> I suspect that the icon is in the "show hidden icons" area (arrow
BM> to the left of the system tray).

Yes, that was it. Thank you for the explanation.



-- 
Jack



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems on Windows 7

[Jack]

RA> On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 at 23:09:41 -0400,Jack wrote:
>> I see though that my text was not formatted properly. I have the editor to
>> go to a new line at 70 characters. It is doing it now as I type but when the
>> message shows on the list, there's no limit.

RA> It sounds as though you are using the Windows editor, not the MicroEd 
editor.

Thanks  for  the suggestion. It was set to the MicroEd setting but the
checkbox  below  it,  reply  to  html  in  plain text, wasn't checked.
Changing that fixed it. I appreciate the response.


-- 
Jack



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems on Windows 7

[Bill McQuillan]

On Wed, 2011-08-17, Jack wrote:

> - In XP, the icon for TB was in the system tray. Windows 7
> doesn't see to have a way to place it there and places it in
> the task bar. Sometimes, and I can't isolate what causes it, 
> the icon will move to what

I suspect that the icon is in the "show hidden icons" area (arrow
to the left of the system tray).

Click on that arrow, choose Customize and find The Bat! entry. It
is probably set to "Show only notifications". Change it to "show
icon and notifications" to make it appear in the system tray (now
called Notification Area).

-- 
Bill McQuillan 
Using The Bat! 5.0.12 on Windows 7 6.1 build 7601-Service Pack 1



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems on Windows 7

[Robin Anson]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 at 23:09:41 -0400,Jack wrote:
> I see though that my text was not formatted properly. I have the editor to
> go to a new line at 70 characters. It is doing it now as I type but when the
> message shows on the list, there's no limit.

It sounds as though you are using the Windows editor, not the MicroEd editor.

-- 
Robin

Using The Bat! v4.2.42
  Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1
  Popfile v1.1.1



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems on Windows 7

[Jack]

Oops, I sent this before it was complete. While typing the second problem I 
thought to see if there was a setting for it and there is. I went back to edit 
that text and sent by mistake. 

I see though that my text was not formatted properly. I have the editor to go 
to a new line at 70 characters. It is doing it now as I type but when the 
message shows on the list, there's no limit. Guess I still have two problems. :)

J> Hi,

J> I recently moved my installation from an XP to a Windows 7
J> computer. There were a lot of problems relating to disk (paths not
J> found). TB support said to rename the registry section for TB and
J> that seems to have taken care of most of the problems I was having.
J> But it removed all of my settings and I can't seem to get them back
J> to where they were. I'm wondering if it is due to being on Windows
J> 7 or if there is a setting mistake. I have two main problems right now:
J>   
J> - When I reply to some emails, the persons text is in a block with a 
J> solid bar down the side. I vaguely remember having this problem
J> when I upgraded to V3, I think, and it was due to how the editor
J> was setup. But I set that to plain text and for some emails the
J> text is quoted as separate lines.

J> - In XP, the icon for TB was in the system tray. Windows 7 doesn't
J> see to have a way to place it there and places it in the task bar.
J> Sometimes, and I can't isolate what causes it, the icon will move to what




-- 
Jack



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems logging onto SMTP-server

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello ...listen2reason...,

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:44:57 +0200 GMT (12/07/2008, 06:44 +0700 GMT),
...listen2reason... - Musaic.Net wrote:

lMN>   Is anyone having trouble with TB hanging on logging onto the
lMN>   SMTP-server? (Not TB per se but the *task* in CC.) I had the
lMN>   problem with TB 3.99.29 - the problem continues with 4.00.24.

Not over here. Such problems can occur when the connection to the
server is very bad - but you say your server SMTP server is on the
same machine.

lMN>   The SMTP-server TB connects to is installed on the very PC
lMN>   that TB is on - that installation has not been tampered with
lMN>   for over a year now - the problem with TB has been there for
lMN>   some few months.

I would hunt for the reason why TB! cannot connect.

lMN>   TB says: "Logging on to the server" - if I am lucky, TB will
lMN>   not get stuck with that task. But quite so often the task is
lMN>   just forever waiting (for days if you're not restarting TB).
lMN>   TB has apparently NO Time Out protection that aborts and
lMN>   possibly retries from start. When it gets stuck it just says
lMN>   "Logging on to the server" - and that's it.

You're right, when TB! cannot connect for whatever reason, it should
timeout. Check this setting:

Account / Transport / Server Timeout

It is seet to 60 seconds here. I sometime get the message "Some
messages were not sent - check log for details", and the reason is
"cannot connect to server". So it seems to work.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

FLATULANCE: Emergency vehicle that picks you up when you've been run
over by a steam roller
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.26
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2






Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with the Christmas Bat - view folder and sorting despatcher

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Robert,

on Sat, 6 Jan 2007 22:28:57 +GMT (06.01.2007, 23:28 +0100GMT here),
you wrote:

RB> I tried the Christmas Edition on Win98, found problems and went back
RB> to 3.85.03.  Do you know if Win98 problems have been sorted out yet,
RB> please?

Version 3.95.06 seems to run well on Win98SE, except for a little
cosmetic bug upon starting. It goes away though when you begin to
perform tasks with The Bat!.

-- 
Cheers
Peter

Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked.



Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with the Christmas Bat - view folder and sorting despatcher

[Doug Weller]

Hi Maxim,


Sunday, December 31, 2006, 2:43:27 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Doug,

> Sunday, December 31, 2006, 11:36:27, you wrote:

>>>I can't sort on the To: field in the Despatcher, although I can sort on the 
>>>other fields.
> I can confirm it on sorting of messages which contained a pure e-mail
> address without the name associated with this address. We have fixed
> this and in the new version there should be all right. Also, message
> dispatcher displays only the firs addressee if a message was addressed
> to a list, which will be corrected in the new version.


Thanks, that's good news. I use sorting a lot to weed out stuff that I want to 
delete on the server.

Doug

-- 
Doug Weller  Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated
The Bat! 3.95.6
Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk



Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with the Christmas Bat - view folder and sorting despatcher

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello Doug,

Sunday, December 31, 2006, 11:36:27, you wrote:

>>I can't sort on the To: field in the Despatcher, although I can sort on the 
>>other fields.
I can confirm it on sorting of messages which contained a pure e-mail address 
without the name associated with this address. We have fixed this and in the 
new version there should be all right. Also, message dispatcher displays only 
the firs addressee if a message was addressed to a list, which will be 
corrected in the new version.

-- 
Best regards,
Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with the Christmas Bat - view folder and sorting despatcher

[Doug Weller]

Hi Simon,

Sunday, December 31, 2006, 10:59:56 AM, you wrote:

> Hi Doug,

> In your message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent on
> Sunday, December 31, 2006, 9:36:27 AM, you wrote:

DW>> I can't sort on the To: field in the Despatcher,
DW>> although I can sort on the other fields.

DW>> When using View Folder, most messages come up blank.

DW>> Christmas Edition 3.95.6

> Sorry, I cannot confirm here.  What operating system are you
> currently using?  Is it Win 98?  I know there were a few transitional issues 
> to Win98 with this version.

XP SP1 -- rebooting cured the View Folder problem but not the sorting problem.

Doug




-- 
Doug Weller  Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated
The Bat! 3.95.6
Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk



Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with purging

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 9 October 2006 at 4:33:06 PM, in
, Richard H. Stoddard
wrote:
> It used to work fine, but the last couple of versions it hasn't;
> I kept hoping that whatever was causing it would be located and
> fixed, but obviously it hasn't, so I decided to post here to see
> if anyone else is having this problem.

Are you purging via "folder maintenance" or automatically via the
"on exit" settings on the folder properties/additional tab?

The "on exit, compress" checkbox used to be selected by default
when you created a folder but not any more. Don't know if this
applied to the "remove old messages" box.

-- 
Best regards,
 
MFPA

Change is inevitable except from a vending machine

Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1



Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with purging

[Peter Fjelsten]

Richard,

On 08-10-2006 17:26, you  wrote in
:
> I'm using the latest release (3.85.03) Is this a common bug or is it
> unique to me?

I have the same problem. For IMAP folders, this does not work at all.

-- 
 Best regards   
 Peter Fjelsten  
 3.85.03 Pro  MyGate, AVG 
 4 POP3, 9 IMAP (UWIMAP 2002e) & 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 200K+ msgs. 

 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2   




Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with purging

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Richard,

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:26:08 +0500 GMT (08/10/2006, 22:26 +0700 GMT),
Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

RHS> I'm having problems with purging folders. I've set several folders
RHS> with either a maximum number of messages or a maximum retention
RHS> period. Most of the time this does not work, meaning they aren't
RHS> purged when the conditions are met. I just recently set a folder to
RHS> purge after one year, and it deleted only messages received today,
RHS> provided they'd been read.

Are the old messages read or unread? There is a setting somewhere that
only read messages are deleted, but that can be switched.

However, today's messages should not be deleted, and it doesn't happen
here either.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

"When your dad is mad and asks you, 'Do I look stupid?' don't answer."
- Hannah, age 9
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2






Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with purging

[Richard H. Stoddard]

I know  - forgot the cutline. I realized it as I was sending. Sorry.

-- 
Rick



Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with TB and IE /Firefox

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 11 Sep 2006,
   @  @  at 07:29:39 -0700, when Code 2 wrote:

MM>> Go to Options | Preferences | Applications, check all (4) boxes
MM>> except the "Check that The Bat! is...", push, or give a flip to,
MM>> both buttons above and then [OK].

> Why do you suggest having the "Check that The Bat! is the default mail
> client at startup" box unchecked?

Dear Code 2,

I am glad you espied this indicative and delicate detail. I do suggest,
in this particular message, having the "Check that The Bat! is the
default mail client at startup" box unchecked due to my estimation of
Susanne's estimation and ability to make a quality choice, with regards
to mailer in this case. I assumed therefore that Susanne's default
mailer is already TBat, and hence that she wouldn't like to be bothered
by an "Am I your favorite mailer? Am I! Am I! Kiss me! Hug me!" just any
time she starts her default mailer.

There is, again, a theoretical chance that my estimation is incorrect
indeed, but I doubt.

I made wrong estimation some 35 years ago, then again some 20 years ago
and then again yesteryear at the beginning of spring (cleaning).

So, basically, I am a man who makes very few bad estimations, and
besides not so often.

- --
Mica
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
   http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
 Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo & Vector ~ Wine
 ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
 in my "From" field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 <>o<> tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32)

iQEVAwUBRQWsL7SpHvHEUtv8AQhAGggAqjkZNNWK6oipJD2rIx1ZzJ21Ersj1BPs
RgIgHse9H4du245p4pFLbbWF1TRgmbQgYxs9AgmlUVMUUwR96VZHFEPM9pbQ3XL0
mhQJWrGJKNyBBq32TRGrZTlZGE9F6YGOQ4f3lVPpJR+XpPa1CxWALajY6+HoL9/0
kZTedFkzBHlANOSv2U65CFUJBNc406C90DWw3LgylZ8SVCQWN4DNZS3Dslz0AxkE
QMwsPssIoyPDjQg3TfHrcVy0J8snw4hVq5L3jnLmVxfdBAe3xSyofqYS1PWQtRKq
VvMV+zos0JKnTaHIna9fW5gy0thyAseDXdKVjHzJsdwtjT1Hq6wIoQ==
=2OQL
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with TB and IE /Firefox

[Susanne]

 

Hi,

Saturday, September 9, 2006, 6:51:16 PM,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It will proclaim TBat emperor of all mail matters in your Windows
> XP(ee), and both IExploder and Fire Fox will have to obey it, not to
> mention other small fry.

Right you are! :)

Thanks!

-- 
Best regards,
 Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Using The Bat! 2.12.00
OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2



Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with TB and IE /Firefox

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 9 Sep 2006,
   @  @  at 17:53:51 -0700, when Susanne wrote:

> Hi,

> after installing WindowsXP SP2, IE tells me that TB is not
> properly installed and consequently I can't use TB when
> clicking on any email links in IE.

> It's the same in Firefox.

> I'm running TB version 2.12.00.

Go to Options | Preferences | Applications, check all (4) boxes except
the "Check that The Bat! is...", push, or give a flip to, both buttons
above and then [OK].

It will proclaim TBat emperor of all mail matters in your Windows
XP(ee), and both IExploder and Fire Fox will have to obey it, not to
mention other small fry.

- --
Mica
GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/
   http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
 Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo & Vector ~ Wine
 ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
 in my "From|Reply To" field(s). ~~~
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 <>o<> tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32)

iQEVAwUBRQNvjrSpHvHEUtv8AQjPrAgAgrvvoZUubq24kgWcIhtxbsEkpOro/djZ
lUWlGXS6Si2MZp4Zuurw3G3nnMzV93ef7jHYsLxf10J49PM1I5uDsJodmKB8HaHl
RT6iMi26pHc/XTc30+7oMKoCdYdRmPbVVvQyw1XAIokBTuEryA7U9X7u1DYpHN9c
kJ/FcshNhse2JYlqFy7wLMlvIyjyrfeMvZof5xcupWnnYJsEpM3vs77F2sjLg08Z
xopWUSwDkwg32enTj4o54Yli/f25qHNsJXWv2wcIjDJ9FndluSyXhnFRj2tLvyHM
AGNAcB6GsO0NCfhfSaXMp7/4GlDyrrH8JGqp6+VqyMaEfltg2OBfsA==
=lAwl
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Ian,

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:40:25 +1000 GMT (06/09/2006, 03:40 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:

IAW> I was only going by what happened to me a few years back. I was
IAW> collecting mail on two computers - one via Agent and one via The Bat!.
IAW> After collecting the mail with Agent but telling Agent to leave the
IAW> mail on the server, The Bat! was not collecting them because then I
IAW> had it set to check for new mail only. I had to get it to collect all
IAW> messages on the server for it to pick up the mail I had already
IAW> collected with Agent.

That is weird. I collect my private mail in the office with
Voyager) and when I go home, I can still collect them onto my home
computer.

I collect my office email at home, and when I'm in the office next
day, all mails that are not on the computer yet, will be downloaded.

That is as expected. I don't know how come TB didn't download the
mails it itself hadn't downloaded yet; it should not matter whether
they had been downloaded by Agent or another client, or read in the
webinterface, before. Since this happened a few years back, I don't
think we can solve this mystery now.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

SYMPTOM: Beer unusually pale and tasteless. FAULT: Glass empty.
ACTION: Get someone to buy you another beer.
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

Message reply created with The Bat! 3.81.16 Beta
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2






Current version is 3.85.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Scott,

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 you wrote in 

SS> Well, I fixed it by downloading ALL my messages.

Glad you fixed it but I still don't understand why you had to download
them all and you couldn't go into the Dispatcher to selectively
download. Anyway, tis done and let's hope it doesn't happen again.

SS> When restoring a backup, The Bat should simply download all email
SS> from the date of the backup till now...Simple

That makes sense but, will it be simple? ;-)

-- 
Regards,
Richard

| The Bat! 3.85.01. POP3 account & AntispamSniper plug-in 1.6.5
| Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2
| F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot
| CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz
| RAM: 1024 MB

Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html   




Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Scott Sims & everyone else,

on 05-Sep-2006 at 04:49 you (Scott Sims) wrote:

> I am using Gmail

If I remember correct, gmail has an option to keep all messages on the
server despite its download status, and even if a "DELE" command is sent
in the POP3 session.

That doesn't explain why you can't download the mails you want, but
maybe someone else has got a clue if its related.

The way to do this as I see it is TBs message dispatcher.

-- 
Best regards,
 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de)

Do there exist many worlds, or is there but a single world? This is
one of the most noble and exalted questions in the study of nature. --
St. Albertus Magnus



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Ian,

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:20:47 +1000 GMT (05/09/2006, 19:20 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:

IAW> What you may need to do is use your provider's web interface and mark
IAW> the messages you want to collect as unread (the exact sequence of
IAW> doing this will vary depending on the system your provider uses). Now
IAW> when you check for new messages in your mailbox, you should see all
IAW> the messages you have marked as unread.

I understand that the POP protocol doesn't know "read" or "unread". If
I read messages on my provider's web interface, they will still be
downloaded by TB. TB keeps its own list (by way of UID) of messages
already downloaded, and I can read them in the web interface and on my
two different computers, at home and in the office. And with Voyager,
when travelling.

Actually, I like that.

Scott has a problem I have no solution for.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Unter optimal kontrollierbaren Bedingungen wird eine Versuchsanordnung
exakt das machen, was sie will.
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

Message reply created with The Bat! 3.81.16 Beta
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2






Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Scott Sims]

Well Gmail, is just going mental now. Downloading about 300 random emails
(including emails downloaded before) everytime I send and receive. Not very
good. Why did The Bat change all of a sudden? I've never had this much in
years.


On 9/5/06, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Scott,

In your message
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent on
Tuesday, September 5, 2006, 1:26:13 PM, you wrote:

SS> Thanks :)

No problem.

--

Regards,
Simon

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
W: http://www.cg-online.me.uk

Using:  The Bat! 3.81.14
OS: Windows XP Service Pack 2
CPU:Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz, 596
RAM:1014 MB



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Scott Sims]

Is there any other way? Why is The Bat suddenly not working properly? There
should be a way to reset it, so it downloads from the 30th.
Cheers :)

On 9/5/06, Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Richard,

In your message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent on Tuesday,
September 5, 2006, 10:21:39 AM, you wrote:

RW> However you can then do a global selection to nullify
RW> all reading settings and then select the first message
RW> you want, go down, hold SHIFT and select the last
RW> message and then click on retrieve. That way you'll only
RW> get the messages you want - at least I thinkyou will
RW> 'cos I didn't actually do that bit!!

That's definitely how it would work.

--

Regards,
Simon

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
W: http://www.cg-online.me.uk

Using:  The Bat! 3.81.14
OS: Windows XP Service Pack 2
CPU:Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz, 596
RAM:1014 MB



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Scott,

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 you wrote in


SS> I am meaning just the email since the backup, not ALL the messages
SS> in the account.

I never use Dispatcher myself but I've just had a little play with it.
You can get headers for all your messages. Admittedly that'll take a
long time. However you can then do a global selection to nullify all
reading settings and then select the first message you want, go down,
hold SHIFT and select the last message and then click on retrieve. That
way you'll only get the messages you want - at least I thinkyou will
'cos I didn't actually do that bit!!

-- 
Regards,
Richard

| The Bat! 3.85.01. POP3 account & AntispamSniper plug-in 1.6.5
| Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2
| F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot
| CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz
| RAM: 1024 MB

Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html   




Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Scott Sims]

I am meaning just the email since the backup, not ALL the messages in the
account.
I cannot download with another program, because it would download sum 1gb of
email...
Cheers

On 9/5/06, Richard Wakeford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello Paul,

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 you wrote in 

SS>> How do I get it to download ALL email since the
SS>> backup?

Account/Despatch mail on server/All messages?

--
Regards,
Richard

| The Bat! 3.85.01. POP3 account & AntispamSniper plug-in 1.6.5
| Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2
| F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot
| CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz
| RAM: 1024 MB

Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html




Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Paul,

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 you wrote in 

SS>> How do I get it to download ALL email since the
SS>> backup?

Account/Despatch mail on server/All messages?

-- 
Regards,
Richard

| The Bat! 3.85.01. POP3 account & AntispamSniper plug-in 1.6.5
| Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2
| F-Prot AV, Outpost Firewall Pro, Spysweeper, Adaware, SpyBot
| CPU: Athlon 1.09 Ghz
| RAM: 1024 MB

Holiday in France: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html   




Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Restoring Email

[Paul Berger]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Tuesday, September 5, 2006, 12:49:22 PM, you wrote:

SS> Howdy,
SS> I am having problems installing my email. I recently had to re-install XP. I
SS> did a full account backup on the 30th August. I recieved a new computer
SS> yesterday.
SS> I installed the latest version and The Bat and restored all my email.

SS> The problem is that The Bat won't download all my email since the 30th. Only
SS> what I have received today. How do I get it to download ALL email since the
SS> backup?
SS> I am using Gmail for your Domain. I have never had this problem before. It
SS> won't work on my laptop either.

SS> Hope it can be fixed.
SS> Thanks,
SS> Scott
SS> 
SS> Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
SS> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

While you wait for a better reply, you could download with another
email client, like Thunderbird or Opera.


-- 



Paul

-
 Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP
5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2  

...Food is an important part of a balanced diet. 



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with backup

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Philippe Macaire & everyone else,

on 30-Aug-2006 at 10:06 you (Philippe Macaire) wrote:

> Any experience, someone?

None with TBs backup and that sizes - but what happens when you set up a
similar backup event with ntbackup? You could compare the results of the
incremental backup with those from TB and see if its any different.


-- 
Best regards,
 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de)

Nothing is rich but the inexhaustible wealth of nature. She shows only
surfaces, but she is a million fathoms deep. (Ralph Waldo Emerson)



Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems downloading my new messages everytime.....

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Robert,

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:35:43 -0500GMT (3-3-2006, 22:35 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

RF>  So after I close out of the Bat, I have no new messages and the next
RF>  time I try it starts to download all the old ones again that got
RF>  deleted from the first time 

It looks like you're trying to download a virus infected message that
your virus scanner intercepts when TB stores it in your temp
directory.
Because the message gets intercepted, TB can't download it and the CC
gets hung. Because the CC hangs the connection with the server isn't
terminated as it should and the server doesn't delete the messages TB
marked to be deleted on the server. So far not good but
understandable.
Try to check your mail with the dispatcher:
  Account -> Dispatch mail on server -> All messages
The dispatcher offers you a way to communicate 'manually' with the
server. Select all messages you've already downloaded to be deleted on
the server, do the same with the first message you didn't download
properly, as it's likely that that's the culprit.
When you're done logoff from the server and make TB collect the mail
again and see whether it goes fine.
The only thing that could troubles in this scenario is that you might
have set TB to collect mail immediately on startup, when you've done
so try to cancel mail collection or configure TB not to do that
anymore:
  Account -> Properties -> Options -> Check mailbox at start-up

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

When you go to the market, use your eyes, not your ears.

The Bat! 3.71.03
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
1 pop3 account, server on LAN
OTFE enabled
P4 3GHz
2 GB RAM


pgphgjGqEFPR1.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[MAU]

Hello Google,


>> How much time is there between boot and starting of TB.
>
> Usually 3 to 4 minutes, because I have one Account I keep on Outlook for
> work, so I check that first, then go to TB.

What happens if you do not check your Outlook account first?

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.71.03




Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[MAU]

Hello Google,

> Almost every time I start up TB v3.71 Pro in the morning to download my
> Mail, I receive an error saying that the Server is being used by another
> Program (which it is not) or the Server is down for maintenance (which it
> is not).

It looks to me that those errors have nothing to do with TB, specially
the 'Server is down for maintenance' one.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v3.71.03




Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:05:49 -0700GMT (27-2-2006, 2:05 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

NA> As for a proxy server, no, I don't use one.

Well, there goes my theory that something just isn't ready when you
start collecting mail for the first time.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it

The Bat! 3.71.03
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
1 pop3 account, server on LAN
OTFE enabled
P4 3GHz
2 GB RAM


pgpRLgvyphNbf.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[Google Mail]

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:34:01 PM, you wrote:

> Are you using a proxy-server of some kind

Sorry about the last message... I hit some other key and before I knew it,
the CC had already sent it. As for a proxy server, no, I don't use one. I
have NOD32 AV and Sygate Pro Firewall, but neither have anything to do
directly with TB, however I do have NOD32 checking my incoming mail, but
only on my Outlook Account.


-- 
  -=Nick Andriash=-
   -=Creston, B.C. Canada=-
The Bat! Pro v3.71 on Win XP Pro
___
PGPKey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xDAEB2FB93BCA7DD2
PGPKey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xC9134763
Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org



Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[Google Mail]

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:34:01 PM, you wrote:

> How do you start TB, automatic or manual?

Manual.

> How much time is there between boot and starting of TB.

Usually 3 to 4 minutes, because I have one Account I keep on Outlook for
work, so I check that first, then go to TB.

> Are you using a proxy-server of some kind (anti spam, anti virus,
> whatever)?

I run NOD32




-- 
  -=Nick Andriash=-
   -=Creston, B.C. Canada=-
The Bat! Pro v3.71 on Win XP Pro
___
PGPKey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xDAEB2FB93BCA7DD2
PGPKey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xC9134763
Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org



Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Nick,

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:14:08 -0700GMT (26-2-2006, 16:14 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

NA> Anyone else receiving this error when 'first' starting TB in the morning
NA> for instance? Anyone know what might be causing this failure? It only
NA> lasts about 3 minutes or so, and then I'm able to download my mail without
NA> any problems. H?

How do you start TB, automatic or manual? How much time is there
between boot and starting of TB.
Are you using a proxy-server of some kind (anti spam, anti virus,
whatever)? If so, how is that proxy started, by TB or something else?

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

XT Nostalgia?  Run Windows

The Bat! 3.71.03
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
1 pop3 account, server on LAN
OTFE enabled
P4 3GHz
2 GB RAM


pgpPyegcL9u7o.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems Receiving Mail with v3.71 Pro

[Mike Dillinger]

--- Original Message
From: Google Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006, at 07:14AM PST (GMT -0800)

GM> Almost every time I start up TB v3.71 Pro in the morning to download my
GM> Mail, I receive an error saying that the Server is being used by another
GM> Program (which it is not) or the Server is down for maintenance (which it
GM> is not).

GM> Anyone else receiving this error when 'first' starting TB in the morning
GM> for instance? Anyone know what might be causing this failure? It only
GM> lasts about 3 minutes or so, and then I'm able to download my mail without
GM> any problems. H?

I'm not an expert on these things, but my guess is the server is telling TB 
that your POP session is locked and it's just relaying the message.  I'd check 
out the server side.  Maybe the last session you run at night is staying locked 
for some reason.

-- 



Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Korean-based formatted emails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello SD,

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:54:45 +0700 GMT (07/11/2005, 09:54 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> I'm interested in this myself, as I have experienced the same -
TF> sometimes, and only with Korean (not Chinese or Japanese). I'll wait
TF> for the next such message to come in and let you know.

I just received another message from Korea. It all looked like Korean
characters in the header pane and the body. Once I right-clicked and
manually chose "Western European" as charset, all showed fine in
English. Reopening the message shows that the manually chosen charset
is sticky.

Manually switching back to Korean shows the headers with a Korean
charset again (this is wrong, as they are in plain ASCII), but the
body in the plaintext part is legible, and the HTML part shows Korean
character encoding again. (The message is written entirely in
English).

It's a multipart message, and here are the encodings:

Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0151_01C5E499.6D18D3C0"

[some X-headers snipped]

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_001_0152_01C5E499.6D18D3C0"


--=_NextPart_001_0152_01C5E499.6D18D3C0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

[base64 garbage snipped]

--=_NextPart_001_0152_01C5E499.6D18D3C0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="ks_c_5601-1987"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

[base64 garbage]


-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

"Note: Please don't misconstrue my 14 jobs as 'job-hopping'. I have
never quit a job."
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.12
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2





Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Korean-based formatted emails

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Thomas Fernandez & everyone else,

on 07-Nov-2005 at 03:54 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote:

S>> After I installed my TB, my version is shown is "3.62.10"

> I believe .12 is a beta version.

I just downloaded the official MSI again, and it contains the executable
with version 3.62.12...

-- 
Best regards,
 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)

Deliplayer2 is playing: "Don't Be A Spooner" (12:00) by Koolfang
 from the 2005 album 'Koolfang III - Be Aware'



Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Korean-based formatted emails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello SD,

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:44:43 +0200 GMT (07/11/2005, 07:44 +0700 GMT),
SD wrote:

S> Btw, how did you get this "3.62.12". The download page itself doesn't show.

S> After I installed my TB, my version is shown is "3.62.10"

I believe .12 is a beta version.

I'm interested in this myself, as I have experienced the same -
sometimes, and only with Korean (not Chinese or Japanese). I'll wait
for the next such message to come in and let you know.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

10 Anzeichen, woran Sie bemerken, dass Ihre Lebensmittel nicht mehr
geniessbar sind: 7. Der Schnittlauch auf dem Butterbrot blueht.
http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/

Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.12
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2





Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Korean-based formatted emails

[SD]

Hi marek, I think I already have the latest version (release date 1-Nov-05).

Btw, how did you get this "3.62.12". The download page itself doesn't show.

After I installed my TB, my version is shown is "3.62.10"

--


Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Korean-based formatted emails

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, November 7, 2005, SD wrote:

> Any workarounds? Suggestions.

> I am using latest version of TB 3.62.10 (on Win XP)

try latest version 3.62.12 available on Ritlabs page, some fixes
related to this were made AFAIK.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 3.62.12
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line

 



Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with "%TO:" macro in a reply template.

[Luca]

Roelof Otten:

> Hallo Luca,

> L>   %TO=""
> L>   %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> 
> L> This creates a reply with no "To:" field. AFAIK, TB is not supposed to do
> L> that.

> You could try to drop both %To= macros and replace them with
> %SetHeader("To","[EMAIL PROTECTED]")

It works for me, even with my regexp in it:

   %SETPATTREGEXP="[^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]+"%-
   %SetHeader("To","%REGEXPMATCH='%OSUBJ'")

Thank you very much. I bought TB right for this function, I need it to handle
Yahoogroup's moderation requests, that come in this form:

   Subject: moderation request -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc

> Your signature delimiter doesn't work.

Sorry, I forgot I'm posting with Agent+Gmane instead of TB. I ended out with
two signatures.

Thank you for enforcing top quoting too.

-- 
Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it



Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with "%TO:" macro in a reply template.

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Luca,

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:26:29 +0200GMT (22-9-2005, 14:26 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

L> I'm trying to set a reply template in a "create automatic reply" filter, with
L> these two instructions:

L>   %TO=""
L>   %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

L> This creates a reply with no "To:" field. AFAIK, TB is not supposed to do
L> that.

Is a known bug. http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4933 in
bugtrack.
You could try to drop both %To= macros and replace them with
%SetHeader("To","[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
For most that helps, though I remember one case that it didn't.

L> -- 

Your signature delimiter doesn't work.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

Cleanliness is next to "clean-limbed," in the dictionary.

The Bat! 3.61.06 Echo (Beta)
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
1 pop3 account, server on LAN
OTFE enabled
P4 3GHz
2 GB RAM


pgpuGuh20rqOk.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with "%TO:" macro in a reply template.

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Luca,

> I think the above example is valid, and it seems to show a bug in TB.
> Can anyone confirm?

confirmed with "create automatic reply" filter. With a normal reply
template it work as expected.

-- 
Best regards
Miroslav


BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu
News-Ticker: http://thebat.zetema.de/bat-mail.xml
Klipfolio Klip: http://thebat.zetema.de/klipfolio



Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with "%TO:" macro in a reply template.

[Oto Ziak]

IMHO, it is not TB bug. Reply is reply to original address and you
can't erase it from new header. You can you "create new msg" and place
into msg body original body transformed by   regexp. It is only my
idea.
--
OttY

2005/9/22, Luca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I think the above example is valid, and it seems to show a bug in TB. Can
> anyone confirm?


Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with "%TO:" macro in a reply template.

[Luca]

Oto Ziak:

> 2005/9/22, Luca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I'm trying to set a reply template in a "create automatic reply" filter, 
> > with
> > these two instructions:
> >
> >   %TO=""
> >   %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > This creates a reply with no "To:" field. AFAIK, TB is not supposed to do
> > that.

> "Create new MSG", not "Create automatic reply".

Er ... no. I need a true reply. 

The above is just an example, to make things more simple here. The real filter
would include a regexp in place of "address of mine", to pick addresses from
the original message I want TB to reply to.

I think the above example is valid, and it seems to show a bug in TB. Can
anyone confirm?

-- 
Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it



Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with "%TO:" macro in a reply template.

[Oto Ziak]

"Create new MSG", not "Create automatic reply".
--
OttY

2005/9/22, Luca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to set a reply template in a "create automatic reply" filter, with
> these two instructions:
>
>   %TO=""
>   %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> This creates a reply with no "To:" field. AFAIK, TB is not supposed to do
> that.
>
> If my reply template contains just
>
>   %TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> it creates a reply with a "To:" field containing two addresses, as it's
> supposed to do:
>
>   TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> What's going wrong? It's me or is it my TB Home 3.51.10?
>
> Thanx for any help.
>
> --
>  Luca
>
> --
> Luca - e-mail: p.stevens at libero.it
>
>
> 
> Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
>


Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:49:35 +0200GMT (6-7-2005, 15:49 +0200, where I
live), Jenny wrote:

...

> If Yahoo has detected a problem with your mailbox, and it does this
> regularly for no apparent reason, then it could set your status to
> bouncing, if your mail address is bouncing then you will neither
> receive mails, nor be able to send them.

Hi Jenny,

Thanks but that is not the case, status is normal.

-- 
cheers,
Henk
__
The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.51 Pro on Windows XP SP2
Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B
Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org
A progressive and innovative Web of Trust

pgpKEBMYlRpzR.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:58:15 +0200GMT (6-7-2005, 14:58 +0200, where I
live), Jenny wrote:

> Have you checked you are not bouncing at Yahoo?

Hi Jenny,

I know where to find the bounce history but AFAIK that is for messages
send by Yahoo and not send by me, correct me if I am wrong ;-)

-- 
cheers,
Henk
__
The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.51 Pro on Windows XP SP2
Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B
Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org
A progressive and innovative Web of Trust

pgpSajKm86P9T.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:53:50 -0500GMT (6-7-2005, 14:53 +0200, where I
live), Mary Bull wrote:

...

> For the past week I have been receiving Returned Mail for some of the
> messages I have sent to TBOT, which is also a yahoogroups list. Since
> the messages were mostly banter, and also depended for effect on
> timely appearance in the thread I was participating in, I did not
> bother about it but simply deleted my "returned mail" notification.

> Some of these were "will retry" notifications and several were
> "permanent failure" notifications. Half a dozen or so in all. I will
> save the next one in case it would help track down the problem.

...
> I'm not sure whether this is OT for TBUDL or not; but, where else can
> we check it out, since TBOT is not reliable?

Thanks for responding Mary. I know I am not the only one having problems
with yahoogroups ;-)

-- 
cheers,
Henk
__
The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5.36 Pro on Windows XP SP2
Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B
Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org
A progressive and innovative Web of Trust

pgp78qdOm4qkN.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:56:12 +0200GMT (6-7-2005, 14:56 +0200, where I
live), Jenny wrote:

RO>> Unfortunately most lists of shortcuts became obsolete when 3.5 came
RO>> out, however you could check this:
RO>> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut.eng.txt

RO>> BTW Did you know that there is a Dutch mailing list about TB?
RO>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Thanks for the link Roelof, 
> is there more traffic on the Dutch or English mailing lists - where
> will I get the most help to become proficient in The Bat?

The help on both lists is great! The English list has much more traffic
though.

-- 
Henk M. de Bruijn
__
The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5.36 Pro on Windows XP SP2
Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B
Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org
A progressive and innovative Web of Trust

pgpQbh4mc3RHO.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Jenny!

On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 7:58 AM, you wrote:

> Henk, 
> Have you checked you are not bouncing at Yahoo?

Jenny, I am not Henk ( :) ) but I know that I am not bouncing at
Yahoo, because 80 per cent of my posts are reaching the TBOT (The Bat
Off-Topic) list.

These are random failures, for me. Most puzzling.

-- 
Best regards,
Mary
The Bat! 3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2








Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Mary Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Wednesday, July 06, 2005, 7:14 AM, you wrote:

> My most recent messages appear not to reach yahoogroups. Can someone
> confirm the problem?

For the past week I have been receiving Returned Mail for some of the
messages I have sent to TBOT, which is also a yahoogroups list. Since
the messages were mostly banter, and also depended for effect on
timely appearance in the thread I was participating in, I did not
bother about it but simply deleted my "returned mail" notification.

Some of these were "will retry" notifications and several were
"permanent failure" notifications. Half a dozen or so in all. I will
save the next one in case it would help track down the problem.

The last was this morning, for a message I had sent to TBOT on July 4.

Some of my messages to TBOT did get through. I could not see any
common characteristic in those which did not.

I don't know, additionally, what wanadoo and comcast.net might have in
common.

I'm not sure whether this is OT for TBUDL or not; but, where else can
we check it out, since TBOT is not reliable?

I'm sorry now that I deleted those previous failed-mail notifications.
:(

-- 
Best regards,
Mary
The Bat! 3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2








Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jenny,

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:28:45 +0200GMT (6-7-2005, 14:28 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

J> I am fairly new to The Bat and would like to know if anyone has
J> a comprehensive list of keyboard shortcuts to use in the mail
J> program.

Unfortunately most lists of shortcuts became obsolete when 3.5 came
out, however you could check this:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut.eng.txt

BTW Did you know that there is a Dutch mailing list about TB?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

I can resist everything except temptation.

The Bat! 3.5.36
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
1 pop3 account, server on LAN
OTFE enabled
P4 3GHz
2 GB RAM


pgpvxxuQNUDSv.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems with wanadoo and yahoogroups?

[Jenny]

Hello there, 
I am fairly new to The Bat and would like to know if anyone has a comprehensive 
list of keyboard shortcuts to use in the mail program.


-- 
Kind regards,
 Jenny  

Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 19:25:18 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:

>> gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
>> gpg: BAD signature from "David Calvarese
>>
>> And for this message of yours is same.
>>
>> I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not.

> I'm not sure either...  They're showing good sigs on my end when I look
> in my sent items folder.  Maybe because I'm using something other than
> SHA-1 as a digest...  I'll do this one with SHA and see.

This one is OK, but also many of yours with RIPEMD160 digest.

"Digest conflict"...interesting term...

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
[Earth LOG: 183 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFCJ1EA9q62QPd3XuIRAidHAJ9N6iL6/ns/wZ0qu/9f5Zhpak39IQCeOFTy
bYnBekSdbzz7L/Bq/2dm7DY=
=81h3
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Peter Meyns]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi David,

on Thu, 03 Mar 2005 11:21:24 -0500GMT, you wrote:


>>> [encrypting to multiple keys]
>>
>> This is more of a function of GPG. Basically you need to create a
>> group entry in your gpg.conf file with the e-mail address of PGPNET
>> followed by the long keyids of the group members.

DC> Never did get that to worth with TB!, even using the group line with and
DC> without the < > around the email address.

DC> Even with that, I should be able to manually select multiple keys to
DC> encrypt an email to from within TB! with GnuPG...

I'd like that too, but for the time being, TB!'s support of GnuPG 1.4x
is not too great... :-( I get along well with GPGshell though. :-)

- -- 
Cheers
Peter

Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future
Niehls Bohr

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) - GPGshell v3.30
Comment: Gossamer Spider Web of Trust: http://www.gswot.org
Comment: My key: https://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0xE10774CE

iD8DBQFCJ0cNAzZSBuEHdM4RAnBYAKC6BuqXoK+4FqRZe1EzJt9f2KzGMQCgs0ZV
B3XqRMYeQcGz8BV2cXxqpbo=
=fpL+
-END PGP SIGNATURE-




Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[David Calvarese]

Kevin Coates wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:40:13 -0500 (2:40 PM here), David Calvarese
> [DC] wrote in :
> 
 gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available
> 
> DC> Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem.
> 
> This does resolve the problem.
> 
> DC> Note that there are other GnuPG issues, especially when wanting to
> DC> encrypt to multiple keys for one email address (As is the case
> DC> with the PGPNET Yahoo group.
> 
> This is more of a function of GPG. Basically you need to create a
> group entry in your gpg.conf file with the e-mail address of PGPNET
> followed by the long keyids of the group members.

Never did get that to worth with TB!, even using the group line with and
without the < > around the email address.

Even with that, I should be able to manually select multiple keys to
encrypt an email to from within TB! with GnuPG...

-- 
Dave Calvarese
Member of E-mailaholics International
PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Kevin Coates]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi David,

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:40:13 -0500 (2:40 PM here), David Calvarese
[DC] wrote in :

>> gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available

DC> Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem.

This does resolve the problem.

DC> Note that there are other GnuPG issues, especially when wanting to
DC> encrypt to multiple keys for one email address (As is the case
DC> with the PGPNET Yahoo group.

This is more of a function of GPG. Basically you need to create a
group entry in your gpg.conf file with the e-mail address of PGPNET
followed by the long keyids of the group members.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

(see kludges for my pgp key)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFCJqvUvZSrVDqOXK0RAh8QAKDVfYKQs/57vasJ0y3ZrTJgqfv3TQCgzCP0
smmCglNV0LxS8CHZ1Zvsw5Y=
=xQeV
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[MFPA]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Hi

On Thursday 3 March 2005 at 1:03:13 AM, in
, Melissa Reese wrote:

>> I cannot verify Melissa's messages because I don't have the keys

> Did you see the URL in my signature? :-)

I forgot to look there. After PGP tried some keyservers and I
looked through your message headers I gave up.

Your messages all verify OK here as well, now  ;-)

- -- 
Best regards,
 
MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 8.1 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com

iQCVAwUBQiZq16ipC46tDG5pAQFemgP/Q+K0k8/+7GnZE3RV8PtmIc1qUiOnj9+1
pnsTU6J7FfvFRGvjrhlllsdUC9rT1Udtp+eqRK+z3NJ+qF6wsLlBQQln1ge5kxyi
scwbFmg4f5X+ApMpJrzUeQOkADLuAuDszOAAG31Mm6auQhQD0T0zF8QX1ObUOO9P
zITTYvcDTm8=
=ZSSq
-END PGP SIGNATURE-




Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Melissa Reese]

Hi MFPA,

On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 4:43:42 PM PST, you wrote:

> I cannot verify Melissa's messages because I don't have the keys

Did you see the URL in my signature? :-)

> but the rest of this thread all check out OK here, using PGP8.1

By the way, the message of David's that Mica found to be "Bad" was
"Good" here; using PGP 8.1 to verify.

--
Melissa

PGP public keys: http://www.kuviahunnihautik.tk/

TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1



pgpjgiDqiiN8R.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[MFPA]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Hi

On Thursday 3 March 2005 at 12:25:18 AM, in
, David Calvarese wrote:

> I'm not sure either...  They're showing good sigs on my end when I
> look in my sent items folder.  Maybe because I'm using something
> other than SHA-1 as a digest...  I'll do this one with SHA and see.

I cannot verify Melissa's messages because I don't have the keys
but the rest of this thread all check out OK here, using PGP8.1

- -- 
Best regards,
 
MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 8.1 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com

iQCVAwUBQiZdsqipC46tDG5pAQGyfQP+IIj6MS4usVqRIecQhisb6++NxO2QuxHR
YdxqoJA/CCEHvgIdT5SFUfxwMB02Yi6Wf1pJPHjLgUp9SsUh+bvRj/A1MHI+L9/e
DAi0KI5AXwOs13QuNDwfk80Oo5GmlZVvbUeA6Je9XN8Tdt6DK5+TMqF+ElgXYGHo
PEO0eBx/1uY=
=Abef
-END PGP SIGNATURE-




Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[David Calvarese]

Mica Mijatovic wrote:
>>> I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring?  If that's not
>>> it, maybe someone on the list will know.
> 
> I got your keys and it shows this:
> 
> gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
> key ID 1C9D5360
> gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
> gpg: BAD signature from "David Calvarese
> 
> And for this message of yours is same.
> 
> I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not.

I'm not sure either...  They're showing good sigs on my end when I look
in my sent items folder.  Maybe because I'm using something other than
SHA-1 as a digest...  I'll do this one with SHA and see.
-- 
Dave Calvarese
Member of E-mailaholics International
PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html  (Updated)


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 15:06:24 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:

> Mica Mijatovic wrote:

>> I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is
>> new to me. What that would mean?
>>
>> gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
>> key ID 1C9D5360
>> gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
>> gpg: BAD signature from "[?]"

> I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring?  If that's not
> it, maybe someone on the list will know.

I got your keys and it shows this:

gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
key ID 1C9D5360
gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
gpg: BAD signature from "David Calvarese

And for this message of yours is same.

I don't know if this relates to something specific to TB or not.

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
[Earth LOG: 183 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFCJk8H9q62QPd3XuIRAt9sAKCaqAEvkgrhmS4UEjX94jGTYoEPGQCfYBAX
ioI3YBKEfe6imMw+QcP4gIs=
=538k
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Melissa Reese]

Hi David,

On Wednesday, March 02, 2005, at 11:40:13 AM PST, you wrote:

> Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem.

Hee hee! I just sent you an off-list message relating the interesting,
yet disturbing experience of installing this new version of GnuPG.
Problems went way beyond simple TB! integration issues, hence the
off-list reply. :-)

-- 
Melissa

PGP public keys: http://www.kuviahunnihautik.tk/

TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1



pgpdCvsiYEY14.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[David Calvarese]

Mica Mijatovic wrote:
>***^\ ."_)~~
>  ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
>@  @  at 14:40:13 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:
> 
> .
> 
> I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is
> new to me. What that would mean?
> 
> gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
> key ID 1C9D5360
> gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
> gpg: BAD signature from "[?]"
> 

I'm not sure, but do you have my keys in your keyring?  If that's not
it, maybe someone on the list will know.


-- 
Dave Calvarese
Member of E-mailaholics International
PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html  (Updated)


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[Mica Mijatovic]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ."_)~~
 ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 02 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 14:40:13 -0500, when David Calvarese wrote:

.

I get this when check your signature, David. This sort of GPG message is
new to me. What that would mean?

gpg: Signature made 03/02/05 20:40:16 Central Europe Standard Time using DSA 
key ID 1C9D5360
gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
gpg: BAD signature from "[?]"

- --
Mica
PGP key uploaded at:  once just before breakfast
[Earth LOG: 182 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium
with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1
with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector
via Wine...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

iD8DBQFCJhuf9q62QPd3XuIRAvGEAKCO3Bez1Q3umZeZ9kYgNsb8p92SpACfaFnS
wldihWcgnkgp4RXesqteumg=
=Me/W
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with GnupG and PGP integration

[David Calvarese]

Melissa Reese wrote:
> Here's what happens when I try to verify a simple inline clear 
> signature using the TB! integration with GnuPG:
> 
> gpg: conversion from `utf-8' to `CP0' not available

Upgrade to the 1.4.1rc2, it fixes that problem.


Note that there are other GnuPG issues, especially when wanting to
encrypt to multiple keys for one email address (As is the case with the
PGPNET Yahoo group.


-- 
Dave Calvarese
Member of E-mailaholics International
PGP Key Available at http://www.myopicdragon.com/pgp.html  (Updated)


signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.4

[Doug Weller]

Hi Chris,


Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 10:39:01 PM, you wrote:

Chris> Doug Weller @ 2004-Sep-22 5:04:07 PM
Chris> "Problems with Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.4"
Chris> 

>> Although it says it has scanned messages, no .dat files are being
>> created. Any suggestions as to what I've done wrong?

Chris> What version of Windows are you running? Do you perhaps not have
Chris> permission to write to the .DAT file in its present location?

XP but that's not the problem, I have full privileges.

Thanks though.

Doug

-- 
Doug Weller  Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated
The Bat! 3.0
Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems with Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.4

[Chris]

Doug Weller @ 2004-Sep-22 5:04:07 PM
"Problems with Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.4" 

> Although it says it has scanned messages, no .dat files are being
> created. Any suggestions as to what I've done wrong?

What version of Windows are you running? Do you perhaps not have
permission to write to the .DAT file in its present location?

-- 
Chris
Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.

Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

"I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I
snore."


pgp2g9qyaY01v.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems: I am not getting any messages from TBUDL and TBBETA

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thorvald,

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:00:55 +0200 GMT (15/09/2004, 19:00 +0700 GMT),
Thorvald Neumann wrote:

>> Maybe an ISP spam filter, free of charge as extra service :-)

TN> I suspect this. Anybody else from Germany having problems with GMX?

Not here. You can switch off the GMX spam filter, if you want. But I
suspect that you need to go through your spam filter settings, as it
works fine over here.

You can also set it so that it sends you a daily mail with the
From/To/Subject headers of the mails filtered into the spam folder. I
do this to check for false positives. The spam mails are kept for 30
days, and when you see a false positive you can update the filter by
clicking on "Nicht als Spam behandeln" in the web interface. This will
update the Bayesian filter.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community.

Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02
under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build  A 





Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems: I am not getting any messages from TBUDL and TBBETA

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Tuesday, September 14, 2004, 21:44, Denis wrote:
> NFS is still very buggy, and it seems that if messages incorrectly
> trigger several filters, they can just be left in Windows temp
> directory instead of being moved to their proper place.

I am not using TB3.

-- 
Kveðja!
Thorvald Neumann | aesir media

[The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4]
   
 




Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems: I am not getting any messages from TBUDL and TBBETA

[Thorvald Neumann]

Hæ!

Monday, September 13, 2004, 22:54, Zonnet wrote:
> Maybe an ISP spam filter, free of charge as extra service :-)

I suspect this. Anybody else from Germany having problems with GMX?

-- 
Kveðja!
Thorvald Neumann | aesir media

[The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4]
   
 




Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems: I am not getting any messages from TBUDL and TBBETA

[Denis]

Hello Thorvald,

> It is strange, obviously my emails arrive (I can see them in the
> archive), but I do not get any emails from both lists.
> I have just tested my email address and the messages go through (as do
> other mailing lists).
> The last emails from TBUDL are dated from the 9th September.

It happened to me recently. Many messages were not in the message
bases although they were displayed as downloaded in the accounts
logs. In fact, it came from defective filters. NFS is still very
buggy, and it seems that if messages incorrectly trigger several
filters, they can just be left in Windows temp directory instead of
being moved to their proper place.

Just have a look at you windows temp directory. If you see it filled
with bat*.tmp files, you found your lost messages!

Just rename them to .eml and import them using the Tools/Import
messages function. Now correct your filters and re-filter the
messages.

-- 
Denis



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems: I am not getting any messages from TBUDL and TBBETA

[Zonnet]

ON Monday, September 13, 2004, 6:17:45 PM, you wrote:
TN> It is strange, obviously my emails arrive (I can see them in the
TN> archive), but I do not get any emails from both lists.

TN> I have just tested my email address and the messages go through (as do
TN> other mailing lists).

TN> The last emails from TBUDL are dated from the 9th September.

Hi Thorvald,

Maybe an ISP spam filter, free of charge as extra service :-)

-- 
Best regards,
 Gerard 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Have you ever notices what golf spells backwards?

Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Scott Sims,

01-Sep-2004 16:40, you wrote:

> Upon restoring my computer and The Batk Backup, I had 2.5 months worth
> of email to sort. Approx 1500 would be SPAM. I managed to manually
> click on 898 SPAM messages and move them to the junk folder. Here lies
> one problem. The rest of the SPAM in my inbox would be the pretty much
> the same, yet when I go to re-filter the messages, The Bat does not
> pick up anymore SPAM (After learning from 898) which is annoying.

This sounds to me as if the spam filtering via plugin happens before the
"regular" filters kick in, thus no re-filtering will work. I don't know the
filtering system of v3, however, and if it differs from v2 in that manner.


-- 
Best regards,
 Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981)

Development of a project: 1) Enthusiasm 2) Disillusionment 3) Panic 4)
Search for the guilty party 5) Punishment of the innocent party 6) Fame for
the non-participants -- Anonymous



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Scott,

Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:05:41 AM, you wrote:

SS> Howdy,
SS> Due to my desktop crashing completly (Motherboard, HD all fried, power
SS> surge) I was not using The Bat to download my email and was instead
SS> using web based for 2.5 months. In that period, I only used web based
SS> and had ammassed around 4000 emails that I had not downloaded from
SS> POP3.

SS> Upon restoring my computer and The Batk Backup, I had 2.5 months worth
SS> of email to sort. Approx 1500 would be SPAM. I managed to manually
SS> click on 898 SPAM messages and move them to the junk folder. Here lies
SS> one problem. The rest of the SPAM in my inbox would be the pretty much
SS> the same, yet when I go to re-filter the messages, The Bat does not
SS> pick up anymore SPAM (After learning from 898) which is annoying.

SS> Also, my other filters no longer work, and when I create new filters
SS> refiltering does not work for them either...When the refilter box
SS> comes up it shows that "all" messages are being filtered which it
SS> weird, as this does nor occur afterwards...

SS> I am using The Bat v3 with the new SPAM plugin.

SS> Is there any clues"?

A couple of things ...

1.) did you train it with lots of *not* spam?  It is at least as
important to show it what is not spam as it is to show it spam.

2.) You mentioned restoring TB from a back up and later that you are
using ver 3. Did you have an anti spam that you were using in that old
"back up" version? You need to be meticulous in removing all traces of
the old plug-in. Un-install it, clear out all the data files and
directories that it created (there was data in the program tree as
well as in the data tree on my 'Bayesit' anti-spam plug-in), re-add in
the plug-in and now go retrain it.

Not sure what problem you are having with filters ... are you sure
that they are set correctly?  I have ... at various times ... made
mistakes on what I was filtering, where I was filtering, what action I
was taking, etc.

If they are 'hold overs' from the earlier version, you might try
deleting all the filters and then putting them back in one at a time
to see if maybe something was corrupted in the conversion/upgrade.

-- 
Best regards,
 MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build  3000
 



Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home

[Chris]

Raymund Thomas Tump @ 2004-Aug-30 5:04:59 PM
"problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home" 

>> First, turn off "Simple File Sharing."
> I'm pretty sure you don't have seen a Windows XP Home yet :-) There
> is no "Simple File Sharing" in Home.
I completely forgot that Windows XP Home (AKA, Windows XP Crippled)
doesn't let you modify permissions without jumping through hoops.

> But maybe it works out as Ralph has a tool to set rights on files.
Perhaps. I wish I knew what tool he was using.

> But maybe it is simpler to start the computer in Safe Mode and then
> login as "Administrator". Then the Security tab is available.
Yes. If you restart a Windows XP Home machine in Safe Mode, the
"Security" tab becomes available.

-- 
Chris
Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.

Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

If the cops arrest a mime do they tell him or her that he or she has
the right to remain silent?


pgpp7yXppMaml.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home

[Raymund Thomas Tump]

Hi Chris!

> First, turn off "Simple File Sharing." To do this, open a directory.

I'm pretty sure you don't have seen a Windows XP Home yet :-) There is
no "Simple File Sharing" in Home.

But maybe it works out as Ralph has a tool to set rights on files.

But maybe it is simpler to start the computer in Safe Mode and then
login as "Administrator". Then the Security tab is available.

-- 
Das war's mal wieder,
Raymund



Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home

[Chris]

Ralph @ 2004-Aug-30 1:59:55 AM
"problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home" 

>> Create a shared directory that both the administrator and the limited
>> user have full control over. Then change the "Mail Directory" in The
>> Bat! (found under Options -> Preferences... -> System) for both users.

>> You can apply a modified principle of this and allow any user on the
>> computer to use The Bat! separately from the other users.

> can you please give me a little more info on that matter? i guess,
> it's a good idea, to set up such a folder on a non-system-drive. But
> how can i set up different folders in there, that are "owned" by
> different users, but the same TB? E.g., i need folders for steve,
> clare, ralph, ...

This is a long one...

Log on as an administrator.

First, turn off "Simple File Sharing." To do this, open a directory.
Then click on the "Tools" menu. Select "Folder Options." In the dialog
box, select the "View" tab. Scroll down to the bottom of the list and
un-check "Use simple file sharing." Click the "Apply to All Folders"
button. If needed, click "Yes." Then click "OK."

Create a directory to hold your mail directories, for example
"C:\MAIL". When you are in that folder, right click on some empty
space and select "Properties." Click on the "Security" tab. Click on
the "Advanced" button. Un-check the first checkbox, "Inherit from the
parent..." In the box that comes up, click "Remove." Then click "OK."
Back at the "Security" tab, click the "Add" button. In the text box,
type "SYSTEM; Administrators" (NB: These names need to be in German
for you, so you might have to click "Advanced" and then "Find Now" to
get a list of all the users on your computer. Be sure to add the
SYSTEM account and the Administrators group). Those two security
principles will appear in the upper box. Click on each one and in the
lower box check "Full Control" in the "Allow" column. Click "OK."

Then, create a sub directory for each user in that directory, for
example "C:\MAIL\Steve", "C:\MAIL\Clare", etc.

Select one of the directories. For this example, we will use Steve's
directory, "C:\MAIL\Steve". Right click on that directory and select
"Properties." Click on the "Security" tab. Click on the "Add" button.
Enter Steve's username in the box. Click "OK." Select Steve's security
principle in the upper box and check "Full Control" in the "Allow"
column. Click "OK." Repeat with the other directories as needed.

Log off. As another user (Steve, fox example), log on. Open The Bat!
Open the "Options" menu. Then select "Preferences". Click on "System"
on the left. Click on "Browse" and select the appropriate directory
from "C:\MAIL". For Steve, this directory is "C:\MAIL\Steve". Repeat
with the other users as needed.

There are many modifications on this theme. Also, permissions can be
set very finely. Experiment. If you run into a problem, the
Administrator account should be able to fix the mistakes. However, you
may need to take control of the file or folder to do so.

NB: Some of the English terms may not translate well into German. Try
your best.

-- 
Chris
Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.

Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

How can you tell when sour cream goes bad?


pgpczRUwTkfsc.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home

[Ralph]

Hello Chris,

@Montag, 30. August 2004, 00:10 you wrote:

> Create a shared directory that both the administrator and the limited
> user have full control over. Then change the "Mail Directory" in The
> Bat! (found under Options -> Preferences... -> System) for both users.

> You can apply a modified principle of this and allow any user on the
> computer to use The Bat! separately from the other users.

can you please give me a little more info on that matter? i guess,
it's a good idea, to set up such a folder on a non-system-drive. But
how can i set up different folders in there, that are "owned" by
different users, but the same TB? E.g., i need folders for steve,
clare, ralph, ...


-- 
Regards,
Ralph



Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home

[Chris]

Ralph @ 2004-Aug-29 3:19:56 PM
"problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home" 

> If someone experienced the same in xp pro and found a workaround
> with user rights, please tell me, cuz i have a tool, which allows me
> to do the same in xp home.
You have run into the same problem I ran into.

Create a shared directory that both the administrator and the limited
user have full control over. Then change the "Mail Directory" in The
Bat! (found under Options -> Preferences... -> System) for both users.

You can apply a modified principle of this and allow any user on the
computer to use The Bat! separately from the other users.

-- 
Chris
Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.

Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried.


pgp3SM664R4WX.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems copying Russian text from email-body

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Cyrille,

On Saturday, July 3, 2004, at 00:07, you wrote:

C> From Windows 2000 onwards the clipboard fully supports unicode. That
C> means that your problem is not there. If you are having this problem
C> when you copy *from* TB not only to *one* particular application, but
C> to *different* other applications, it is probable that not all the
C> other applications cause the same problem, but that the problem starts
C> already when you copy from TB.

I am 100% sure that this is TheBat! problem. I've tried to paste Russian
text from TheBat! to IE, Opera adress prompts, Outlook Express, UniRed
(all these programs supports unicode) -- instead of Cyrillic characters I
get question marks. Copying/pasting Russian text between these programs
works just fine. Even when I trie to copy/paste Russian text from one The
Bat! window to another, I get question marks.

C> One last thing you might try (but I have little hope) is to copy not
C> from a KOI8-R coded message, but from a Windows coded message (Windows
C> 1251). This might make it a little easier to get the copied text drom
C> TB to the Windows clipboard.

Does not make any difference.

--
Edvinas
Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4








Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems copying Russian text from email-body

[Cyrille]

Labas vakaras, Edvinas,

Thursday, July 1, 2004, 1:09:07 PM, you wrote:

> I've got question marks when tried to copy/paste russian text from The Bat!
> to other application. Other way (from another application to The Bat!) works
> correct.

> Default codepage is Baltic (windows-1257).

> I've tried to do it with KOI8-R.

To say the most important thing at first: I do not have an answer to
the question.

But here come some elements to understand what is going on and a
workaround:

The question marks are often a sign that there is somewhere in the
chain an application which is not aware (or not fully aware) of unicode (UTF-8).

If it were a simple problem of representing the cyrillic characters
properly, there would not be question marks but rather some character
salad like "Òàêèå ïèñüìà íàçûâàþòñÿ ñïàìîì". But in your case the text is
not only rendered wrongly, but even destroyed.

When you copy and paste something from one place to another the
copied and pasted text passes through the Windows clipboard. That is
why the problem might occur at (at least) 3 different stages: A first
question is whether the Windows clipboard understands Unicode at all
(if not, everything is considered to be in your system's default
codepage).
Then there might be transmission problems when putting things from TB
to the clipboard and later also when the text is transmitted from
the clipboard to the other application.

From Windows 2000 onwards the clipboard fully supports unicode. That
means that your problem is not there. If you are having this problem
when you copy *from* TB not only to *one* particular application, but
to *different* other applications, it is probable that not all the
other applications cause the same problem, but that the problem starts
already when you copy from TB.

TB is not fully UTF-8 aware. As you probably noticed, TB can read
(receive) European characters which are UTF-8 coded (but not Asian
characters), and it is completely unable to write (send) UTF-8 coded
messages.

But I do not know what TB does exactly (and what it should do) when
text is copied to the clipboard.

This is only what I know about these things. But there should be
people out there on the list who know more about this !

One last thing you might try (but I have little hope) is to copy not
from a KOI8-R coded message, but from a Windows coded message (Windows
1251). This might make it a little easier to get the copied text drom
TB to the Windows clipboard.

Now comes the workaround:
Instead of copying from TB you can save the Russian text from the
email-body to an external file (*.txt) (Messages -> Save as). The
result is a text file which is encoded "Windows cyrillic". If you open
it in the Notepad you probably get character salad (already better
than question marks). But when you open it in a more skilled text
editor ('Word' or whatever) you get your text correctly decoded.


C>> P.S.: You seem to have a coding problem also with the Baltic
C>>   characters of your second name in the alias of the FROMADDR
C>>   of your message.

> ISO-8859-13 is official standard for Baltic languages (well, it's ISO!) and
> I think that The Bat! should have support of this encoding in distribution
> package.

In this case this has nothing to do with the skills of TB, but with
the probability that the people who read your message have ISO-8859-13
loaded or not. TB supports it, but I guess most of us on TBUDL don't
have it loaded.
There are plenty of ISO charsets which do not come the standard
distribution package. What I like with TB is that you can add yourself
charsets you need.

C>> Where did you get the ISO 8859-13 implementation for TB?
> Downloaded translation table for it. Don't remeber where I found it though.

Can I get a copy? (-:

-- 
Best regards,
Cyrille
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


[ TB! 2.11.02, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ]



Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems copying Russian text from email-body

[Edvinas Matiušaitis]

Hello Cyrille,

On Thursday, July 1, 2004, at 12:03 Lithuanian Time, you wrote:

C> Laba dienas Edvinas,

Didn't know you know Lithuanian a little bit ;)

C> 1) What is the default codepage of your Windows version?
C>Baltic? Cyrillic? Central European?

Default codepage is Baltic (windows-1257).

C> 2) What is the charset of the message you were trying to copy from?

I've tried to do it with KOI8-R.

C> P.S.: You seem to have a coding problem also with the Baltic
C>   characters of your second name in the alias of the FROMADDR
C>   of your message. In "Matiušaitis" there is a "š" which is
C>   AFAIK not a Lithuanian character. What character should it be?
C>   I see that you code your message ISO 8859-13. But since
C>   ISO 8859-13 is not a part of the official Ritlabs
C>   distribution of TB, most people on TBUDL can not decode properly
C>   your message.

ISO-8859-13 is official standard for Baltic languages (well, it's ISO!) and
I think that The Bat! should have support of this encoding in distribution
package.

C> It seems that TB simply uses "default" whenever it happens to meet a
C> charset it does not know.

True.

C> Where did you get the ISO 8859-13 implementation for TB?

Downloaded translation table for it. Don't remeber where I found it though.

--
Edvinas
Using The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4








Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: problems copying Russian text from email-body

[Cyrille]

Laba dienas Edvinas,

Thursday, July 1, 2004, 8:29:06 AM, you wrote:

> I've got question marks when tried to copy/paste russian text from The Bat!
> to other application. Other way (from another application to The Bat!) works
> correct.

Two questions:

1) What is the default codepage of your Windows version?
   Baltic? Cyrillic? Central European?

2) What is the charset of the message you were trying to copy from?
   (= How is the Cyrillic text [which you want to copy] encoded?)
   

P.S.: You seem to have a coding problem also with the Baltic
  characters of your second name in the alias of the FROMADDR
  of your message. In "Matiuðaitis" there is a "ð" which is
  AFAIK not a Lithuanian character. What character should it be?
  I see that you code your message ISO 8859-13. But since
  ISO 8859-13 is not a part of the official Ritlabs
  distribution of TB, most people on TBUDL can not decode properly
  your message. It seems that TB simply uses "default" whenever it
  happens to meet a charset it does not know.
  Where did you get the ISO 8859-13 implementation for TB?
  
  ...However, it is a general rule not to use non-us-ascii letter in
  the headers...

-- 
Best regards,
Cyrille
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


[ TB! 2.11.02, Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000, Pentium 233Mhz with 95MB ]



Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html