Re: Wish list for Tbat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Sun, 22 Aug 2004, at 09:16:58 -0700, @ @ when Darrin Rich wrote: Sorry, Im just rambling on out of frustration. I feel better now :) A ramble is healthy. And useful. This is the way I had discovered most things related to TB use. Then, you meet other interesting ramblers and so. Then, you marry them. OK, kidding. The last one is kidding. But the first one is serious. What is (wo)man without some ramble. (I bet even the TB authors made it firstly rambling around a bit.) And now... a signature... What was the password... Aha! Good password. Sit. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBKNQ19q62QPd3XuIRAvzdAJ0bu9dqJ6QjzpOgyhhdttJFK3aPjwCcDRfB lPsSWE8EF9QcZ5Y/wiXaqpY= =+jWA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list for Tbat
Hello Darrin Rich, well... as for searching messages and tracking individual conversations, I find TB's virtual folders more and more versatile (compared to the crap search folders Outlook 2003 offers), especially with the threading by reference. The only problem for me is that the VF's sometimes tend to forget their state, no matter what you've configured them to do. And searching is slow, no doubt. Sorting mailinglists with high traffic and such into VF's is no good. I'm currently keeping mailinglists in separate folders and everything else in VF's. Works pretty good. The only thing I'm missing is that I can't meld my three mail accounts' inbox into one (in the meaning of: the three accounts will always be visible in the folder structure). Im experimenting right now with Neo (Nelson Email Organizer) add on for Outlook. Outlook? No. Way. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Let the great world spin forever Down the ringing grooves of change. -- Alfred Lord Tennyson Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Sunday, August 22, 2004, 12:16:58 PM, you wrote: DR Hello, DR I think Ive stated this before, but Ill throw it in again. My DR primary email client is M2 (Opera's Mail client) I go back and forth DR between TB M2. The main thing I dislike about TB is primary use of DR folders and secondary use of virtual folders. I think M2, bloomba DR and others that are coming out with the concept of search folders or DR virtual folders, whatever name you wish to call them have the right DR idea. Im experimenting right now with Neo (Nelson Email Organizer) DR add on for Outlook. http://www.emailorganizer.com/ this thing is DR exactly the right idea. It makes mail management a breeze.But I wish DR it had the ability for the use of macros like TB does. I just hope DR that TB will improve the use of its virtual folders. I still think DR regular folders are needed at times, but search views make it so DR much easier. DR Sorry, Im just rambling on out of frustration. I feel better now :) Hello all: I'll add the following: Network settings: proxy and port. Toggle Image downloading. Edit subject text. -- Bye, Angel Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Marck D Pearlstone wrote: The entire wishlist is help on the RITlabs BugTraq server. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Is the viewing of the wishlist limited to registered users? If I log in anonymously, nothing seems available. Not sure why the anon login is there... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Ken, @6-Oct-2003, 12:37 -0500 (06-Oct 18:37 UK time) ken green [K] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ K Is the viewing of the wishlist limited to registered users? If I K log in anonymously, nothing seems available. Not sure why the K anon login is there... shrug so ... register? It's free! ;-). -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Monday, October 6, 2003 at 1:37:22 PM, ken green wrote in the message Wish list archive mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The entire wishlist is help on the RITlabs BugTraq server. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Is the viewing of the wishlist limited to registered users? If I log in anonymously, nothing seems available. Not sure why the anon login is there... Go to BugTraq. Click on Login Anonymously. Then click on The Bat! Wishes. Then click on View Bugs (it's in the next box down). -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a clipboard. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Roger, @5-Oct-2003, 11:57 +0200 (05-Oct 10:57 UK time) Roger Phillips [RP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to TBUDL: RP Can someone please tell me if there is a 'Wish List' archive, RP and how to access it if there is one. The entire wishlist is help on the RITlabs BugTraq server. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Thanks Allie. I think I'm getting there. I made a classic mistake and didn't set it to manual. Then refiltered my Inbox. NoteTab started going wild! Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? I'm still studying Filters 101, this looks like postgrad work. :-) Thanks. Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, September 30, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPZif/SuD6BT4/R9zEQIlWgCg/GypkFjZIdVWP686XeQ9STobXOcAoKde S2atV/deora2bkGJFWXHmkyD =7LxU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan, On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, at 14:03:20 [GMT -0500] (which was 3:03:20 PM in NY, USA) Jonathan Angliss wrote: On Monday, September 30, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none [SNIP] Sorry, I'm lost. What do I do with this? Where do I put it? Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) Don't forget to alter the paths listed to match your mail folder structure and the path to the text editor of your choice. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:18:49 -0500 Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [SNIP] Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing [SNIP] AM You then go back to TB! and hit the shortcut to import the message, AM mark it as read and delete the original. Brilliant, thanks. I used the TB! import command for this. Unfortunately an Account or account folder has to be defined when running this command. If you have to be editing messages in a single folder then you should be in business since you could set up the command to import the altered message to the same folder. Here's the filter to import the message. The filter is invoked using Ctrl-alt-I. BeginFilter [SNIP] C:\Software\The Bat!Thebat.exe /IMPORTU=lists;UNIX;IN=C:\backup-cmds\edit.txt;READ lists - the target account name UNIX - denotes that the file being imported is of UNIX mailbox format. IN - denotes the location of the file to import. Read - sets the switch to mark the imported message as read. I'm lost again, sorry. What do I put for 'lists' and what is backup-cmds\edit.txt? I can match them up in my mind with the export filter. Thanks. Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Weller [DW] wrote:' DW I'm lost again, sorry. What do I put for 'lists' Put the name of the target account you wish to import the mail to. DW and what is backup-cmds\edit.txt? The name of and path to the source file you're importing the message from The /import command is fully documented in the help. Just look under advanced usage topics and command line parameters. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9mMOdV8nrYCsHF+IRAiNsAJ9KGlydiYgE4ApDbojIRvqN0B5UTQCgjecJ x9n7dY2E45wJgmcSS0LZWZA= =KK/+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Peter! In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Monday, September 30, 2002, 4:56:57 PM, you wrote: JA Highlight from where it says BeginFilter to EndFilter (inclusive), JA copy (CTRL C), then go to your filters dialog box, and press CTRL V. PK^^ JA You should notice a new filter magically appear ;) PK Sorry, but where can I find the filters dialog box? PK I looked under Account|Sorting office/Filters but could not find any PK place to paste a regular expression. Just click on one of the filters here, then press Ctrl-V, and a new filter will appear. -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Dwight! On Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 7:05:33 AM you wrote: there are lots of work arounds. some are better than others. but the bottom line is that once the mail has been received, it belongs to the recipient, not the sender As I wrote in another message that is plainly wrong. Any written text belongs to its originator regardless of where the physical evidence is stored. You can, for instance, not publish a letter you received without the prior consent of the sender - as you cannot change the contents he made up. You can annotate it, but only in a way which shows that the annotated text is not by you and has not been changed by anyone else but the author (except he ave you the rights to do so). And that is exactly what is achieved by TB!'s Memo feature. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Zoo.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Respect Yourself. (Pops Staples) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Dwight Thank you for your email dated Saturday, September 28, 2002, 6:05:33 AM, in which you wrote: DAC but the bottom line is that once the mail has been received, it belongs to the DAC recipient, not the sender I'm being pedantic here but in English law a letter becomes the property of the recipient but copyright remains with the writer. The recipient is not entitled to 'copy' it. Applying this to email opens up a whole new can of worms. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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ON Friday, September 27, 2002, 11:40:11 PM, you wrote: DAC Your amazement is no reason to deprive those who would use it, the DAC ability to do it. If there was any reason which would make me consider DAC going back to Eudora, it would be the ability to make notes in DAC messages when I want to. (And keep as much archival type information DAC as I wish or need to keep - such as which day's message it is in tact) Hi Dwight, I always want to have the original email. The Bat allows attachement of memo's for the purpose of making remarks about the email. I don't want to deprive anyone to do anything, but one you sart using email programs that allow editing of the original you can not be sure of anything in your message base. As an example: You might not have heard this but they were searching for the first smily :-) on tape somewhere. I hope it wasn't written on an email program that allows editing of received emails because then we will never be sure :(| -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ^[:wq! Crap! Thought I was in vi. -- Steven Clarke Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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ON Saturday, September 28, 2002, 1:13:27 AM, you wrote: JS It amazes me why many don't understand the need for it. If I JS had to guess, I'd have to say that many who don't see the need JS to edit the subject lines either don't carry on discussions or JS they simply do not use email for anything vital. I just recieve about 3000 emails a day for my business. I just don't have time to edit the things. JS I receive a good deal of email much of which covers the same JS topics yet have various subject lines. More often than that, I JS get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing JS an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources JS at different times, date and time is essential to keep the JS original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. I subscribe to 2 discussion list, this being one of them. If I need to find anything a use the search tool. The discussions are not vital to me, it is more entertainment ;-) As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. JS I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I JS was just archiving. But good call just the same. I have my moments :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Save Water - Take a bath with your neighbor's daughter Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Saturday, September 28, 2002, 2:30:06 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote: As I wrote in another message that is plainly wrong. No, you are mixing content and the object. Any written text belongs to its originator regardless of where the physical evidence is stored. are you claiming you can come to my house, enter and take it back? You can, for instance, not publish a letter you received without the prior consent of the sender - as you cannot change the contents he made up. Unless it is fair usage, perhaps. Changing the content is not the reason I want to be able to edit e-mails, except when I am working with someone else in a collaborative manner, which I often do in my profession and on committees. I want to be able to combine received content and my own thoughts or additions of information. You can annotate it, but only in a way which shows that the annotated text is not by you and has not been changed by anyone else but the author (except he ave you the rights to do so). And that is exactly what is achieved by TB!'s Memo feature. No, the memo feature does not allow one to annotate. It allows one to link some information in another window. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Lanyon [JL] wrote:' JL Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? I currently adjust message subjects by dragging the message to one of my Outboxes, opening the message there, changing the subject and then dragging it back to it's original folder. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lGqOV8nrYCsHF+IRApV3AKDC2Co3wZRfDnMB/HNtrwrw4fiN0wCeOVqK O9Wy+jCa7cTtTT+cXWwbhWY= =m1fl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jim, I added this to the list several months ago with the added wish that threads also be configurable i.e. dragging a message from one thread to another and having it inherit it's new thread's subject. I don't think anyone understood what I was talking about. On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 13:23:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 8:23:50 AM in NY, USA) Jim Lanyon wrote: Hello Batters, How many Emails does one receive where the subject line content is: 1. Less than clear 2. Does not fully relate to the message content 3. Is the 3rd or 4th reiteration of replies There was a facility in Outlook 2000 where the subject line could be amended. This was a useful, especially if one receives faxes from companies like Efax, where the subject line says 2 page(s) eFax from 02075874158 . it also allows you to make subject line content relevant to your purpose. Worthy of consideration for inclusion in the nexr release? -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello brunson, Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. But hey, I could just adjust my clock settings every time I do this ... VBG Seriously, if it is a useful feature (I feel so) there should be an added feature to cover it. Unfortunately, TB is built around too many workarounds as it is. On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 10:18:27 [GMT -0700] (which was 1:18:27 PM in NY, USA) brunson wrote: s bye... mark. You can simply drag the Email into the outbox folder-Then double click on it and it will open to allow you to EDIT any portion of the message_ Subject line and or Body. Close and then drag back into your inbox Folder.. BOB -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 512 MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Another workaround is to build a forwarding template that includes the header information that you need/want and forward the message back to yourself with a new subject. I'm too lazy to do all that dragging editting. And with a mail server running on your system, the forwarding wouldn't even touch the net. Cheers Yall \\' Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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ON Friday, September 27, 2002, 7:48:58 PM, you wrote: JS Hello brunson, JS Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a JS solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you JS forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the JS edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. Hi James, It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Out the 10Base-T, through the router, down the T1, over the leased line, off the bridge, past the firewall...nothing but Net. -- sig of Tony Miller Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Friday, September 27, 2002, 4:24:03 PM, Gerard wrote: It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. Your amazement is no reason to deprive those who would use it, the ability to do it. If there was any reason which would make me consider going back to Eudora, it would be the ability to make notes in messages when I want to. (And keep as much archival type information as I wish or need to keep - such as which day's message it is in tact) -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Dwight, On 27 Sep 2002 16:40:11 (my local time 14:40:11), Dwight A Corrin wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) If there was any reason which would make me consider going back to Eudora, it would be the ability to make notes in messages when I want to. (And keep as much archival type information as I wish or need to keep - such as which day's message it is in tact) Bat! allows you to make notes in the form of memo. When a message is highlighted in the message list, select View / Memo Auto-view. I find the memo so useful, I made the memo visible in the message list, and assigned a fast key for memo auto view. -- Regards, Anthony A computer program will always do what you tell it to do, but rarely what you want to do. -- Murphy's Law on Computing Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Gerard, On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 23:24:03 [GMT +0200] (which was 5:24:03 PM in NY, USA) Gerard wrote: Hi James, It amazes me that someone who wants to edit an received email is worried about the time and date. It amazes me why many don't understand the need for it. If I had to guess, I'd have to say that many who don't see the need to edit the subject lines either don't carry on discussions or they simply do not use email for anything vital. I receive a good deal of email much of which covers the same topics yet have various subject lines. More often than that, I get replies to messages from me about one topic but containing an entirely new topic. With input from many different sources at different times, date and time is essential to keep the original flow of the topic. Folders can only carry you so far. As a last resort you could try export-edit-import. I have used this method in the past minus the import part as I was just archiving. But good call just the same. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], James Senick [JS] wrote:' JS Yes, that's a nifty workaround but certainly not a JS solution...and Allie already suggested this. Nevertheless, you JS forgot to mention that during this process, you have to save the JS edited message which, unfortunately, adjusts the date. You could create a manual filter that exports the message to a text file and create another filter that deletes the message and imports the altered message to the folder and marks it as read. You could keep a shortcut to the file to edit on your desktop. The effect at the end of all this is: You hit the shortcut to run the filter to export the message. You open the file on your desktop using the shortcut to it. Edit the subject as needed. You then go back to TB! and hit the shortcut to import the message, mark it as read and delete the original. This sounds so good that I think I'll go set this up now. :) - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lOszV8nrYCsHF+IRAmLoAKCeS/h+jTB6FHiaAixnLWtvkjKLdACdGahu nRerUevkEA13dbiW4JpIhUo= =1DuN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Allie Martin [AM] wrote:' AM You hit the shortcut to run the filter to export the message. AM You open the file on your desktop using the shortcut to it. Edit the AM subject as needed. I've encapsulated these steps into one action, i.e., the filter shortcut. I hit ctrl-alt-y and the exported message appears in front of me, opened with my default text editor for editing. Here's the filter: BeginFilter Name: Export for editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 40'e' Actions: faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoHotKey,faoSaveUnix AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: C:\Software\TextPad\textpad.exe C:\tbmessedit\edit.txt ExtFile: C:\tbmessedit\edit.txt ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 49241 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter You'll need to edit the two lines 'ExtCmd' and 'ExtFile' to reflect what you need it to. ExtCmd is the external command that calls my external editor textpad. You could use NotePad instead. ExtFile is the path to the file TB! should export the message to. AM You then go back to TB! and hit the shortcut to import the message, AM mark it as read and delete the original. I used the TB! import command for this. Unfortunately an Account or account folder has to be defined when running this command. If you have to be editing messages in a single folder then you should be in business since you could set up the command to import the altered message to the same folder. Here's the filter to import the message. The filter is invoked using Ctrl-alt-I. BeginFilter Name: Import after editing Active: 1 Source: \\alliem\Inbox Target: \\alliem\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 40'e' Actions: faExternal,faoRunDetached,faoWaitCompletion,faoHotKey AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: c:\tbmessedit\import.bat ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 49225 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter Again, you should alter ExtCmd to point to the bat file of your choice. The bat file is a text file containing the following single command: C:\Software\The Bat!\thebat.exe /IMPORTU=lists;UNIX;IN=C:\backup-cmds\edit.txt;READ lists - the target account name UNIX - denotes that the file being imported is of UNIX mailbox format. IN - denotes the location of the file to import. Read - sets the switch to mark the imported message as read. Hope this all helps. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lPVhV8nrYCsHF+IRAnwqAKDsOLOwRJlHQ3S0SX1G81/rrvwIowCfZOmu E05179is3F80ahUXwREHGog= =FetM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
Hello Allie, On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, at 18:35:16 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:35:16 PM in NY, USA) Allie C Martin wrote: This sounds so good that I think I'll go set this up now. :) And I'll save this message for when and if a moving threads option is ever available. If I had it, this is what I'd do: I'd use your shortcut and filter to edit the subject of the first message in this thread. Then after importing it back to my TBDUL folder, I'd drag the rest of the messages in this thread into a new one created by that exported/altered/imported message that started it all off. Except this time, the whole thread will be entitled Editable Subject instead of Wish List Item. Sure would be nice to just type over the subject though :) -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stamp-co.com The Bat! v.1.62/Beta1 Windows XP build 2600 AMD Athlon 1Ghz 1.0 Gb RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], James Senick [JS] wrote:' JS Sure would be nice to just type over the subject though :) 'It sure would be nice ..' never ends. :) It would sure be nice to change the subject of an entire thread, wouldn't it? :) tongue in cheek IOW's, we have to meet the software half-way. I'm quite happy with the solution I've just mustered up. I've since created a common folder to which the imported message is saved. I then drag the altered message back to its original source folder. Of course this setup is for editing messages from different source folders across my accounts. However, if you have one folder from which you usually wish to edit these messages, it would be even less painless. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta5 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9lPlhV8nrYCsHF+IRAn2RAKCjxSMUGGprcgr6KZKCIKwC2ljzMQCgvfsz wNBAZWqet4W8lwz158mSJpQ= =lMdr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
W I'm too lazy to do all that dragging editting. And with a mail W server running on your system, the forwarding wouldn't even touch the W net. and with local delivery enabled, you don't even need the local mail server -- Ricardo M. Reyes | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Mar del Plata - Argentina) | Usando The Bat! 1.60c Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wish list item
On Friday, September 27, 2002, 5:44:31 PM, Anthony Xin Chen wrote: Bat! allows you to make notes in the form of memo. there are lots of work arounds. some are better than others. but the bottom line is that once the mail has been received, it belongs to the recipient, not the sender, and if s/he wants to make notes in the body of the text, or give it a more useful subject line, s/he should be able to edit it, not have to be trying to match up with a memo, or pasting things into smart bat. I'm on lots of lists where people use clients which don't thread by reference worth a damn, and I should be able to patch up threads if I need to as well. Those capabilities should exist, and one shouldn't need to be searching for work arounds, or being told that someone else thinks it's immoral to make those changes so it's a good thing you can't. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.60i on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: wish list (was Re: SmartPad ??)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, @24 April 2002, 05:51:03 +0100 David Elliott wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP SmartPad was produced in response to those who actually like the MDP TB editor and wanted to use it (and access Quick Templates) in a MDP general purpose notepad form. With the system-wide hot keys, MDP SmartPad can become an immensely useful data collation and note MDP taking tool. ¿ access Quick Templates ? I must have missed something there. What do you mean ? I mean only that I have confused myself. No, you can't use QTs. You can use the TB editor formatting functions and the calculator / evaluator. Sorry to have passed on that confusion. The wish is that you can use a spell checker in it ? Good wish! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8xm7UOeQkq5KdzaARAs8hAJ41HV6wpIiWxdd02KWiofc/89INpwCgu9pW BOxChE1wGABVTiYHum3Lz3I= =VXqq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Marck! On Saturday, February 9, 2002 at 3:05:08 AM you wrote: No there wasn't. It was as simple as 'o' and TAB (which, on the second line, lines up with the indent on the first, etc.). Smart Tabs enabled.* *We will run into trouble shortly: Smart Tab, SmartBat, SmartPad - anythyng as smart as TB! should be banned from the public, especially us not-so-smart computer users. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a broker? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Okay. It is a drop target. You have to save your attachment and drop it onto a shortcut to the fentun program. Then a window opens showing you the names of any attachments within the message.att file and you get the opportunity to extract them. I have a shortcut to fentun in a desktop folder. The shortcut specifies Start in the same folder. I save my attachment to that folder, open the folder, drag the file onto fentun, extract the files and they are saved back into the same folder again, ready to use. Wow, that's really, really convenient! Wish list - 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like normal mailreaders do? 2. Please can somebody rewrite the help file so that it's actually helpful? 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive text editor? Otherwise, I really like it :-) -- Mary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Jernej Simoni wrote: MC 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like MC normal mailreaders do? It already does that - normal mail readers don't support MS's proprietary format. I don't have wide experience of other mailreaders, just Netscape and Eudora, and I've never had these strange .att and .msg attachments before. I can open the .msg ones, but not the .att's, as other people have said. Today I received a message (not html) with a message.msg attached. When I opened it by double-clicking, I could read the message OK, and on another tab there was a tiny jpg image. When I maximised the window the image was enlarged, but when I opened the message a second time it didn't enlarge, and I had to click back and forth between the two tabs before it would enlarge. MC 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive MC text editor? Outlook has a primitive editor. The Bat's editor is perfect for e-mail (do a search in the archives for the word editor). I've never used Outlook, and I'm getting used to TB's editor, but I still find it primitive. I didn't mean that I want an html editor; I prefer text because of the virus risk. What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess about with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting options. I've given up using autoformat (or was it justify on wrap?), because it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter twice at the end of each paragraph. It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. -- Mary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Mary, On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:09:37 +0100GMT (8-2-2002, 15:09 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MC 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like MC normal mailreaders do? There is no 'like normal mailreaders do'. Recently somebody posted an attachment with outlook 2000 to a restricted list I'm subscribed to. Two members using Outlook Express didn't even see the attachment. One member, using Eudora, saw the attachment, but had troubles accessing it. TB saw the attachment, could save it, could access it. Can't say that I've ever had any problems with TB handling attachments. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, On 08 February 2002 at 15:48:07 +0100 (which was 14:48 where I live) Mary Cassidy wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess about with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting options. The default formatting option is not to use Auto-format. The editor preferences are few and reasonably simple. Auto-format is easily turned on and then even more easily controlled with the Ctrl-Shift-F keystroke. This is the option whereby the wrapping automatically puts itself right. I've given up using autoformat (or was it justify on wrap?), because it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter twice at the end of each paragraph. Not really - it's just something to get used to. It greatly improves plain-text legibility and is a habit worth cultivating. It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. The default is to autowrap, but not to auto re-wrap. As is often said here, the editor takes some getting used to but the majority find it a task worth undertaking. There's a noisy minority that will leap in and say It's horrible, an abomination, get rid of it, I hate it, but the consensus remains - try to get used to it. It's a great little editor once you get to know it, capable of many things that lesser editors just can't handle, and *so* well suited for the task at hand. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - think ... freely- http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Y/RjOeQkq5KdzaARApeqAKCRyDZiB3NgDQqjQ4vgV/Yk+byq/wCfeNFl 0kXM/1ux+Gdwtvc1I5jR2Lg= =z8T1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 08 February 2002 at 10:48:25 -0500 (which was 15:48 where I live) David Denton wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am finding the TB! editor is growing on me to the point that, after a month or so of using it, I wish I could configure my other text editors and word processors so they worked in the same manner. Exactly! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - let the thoughts flow http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Y/MQOeQkq5KdzaARAkN/AJsGYnS6HdZNC8fgj4NCN2piPSQ6NwCfS6I+ 2UHi394TqKVvnIVY5eioyIQ= =2kRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On Friday, February 08, 2002, at 16:09:37, Mary wrote about: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment) I have a shortcut to fentun in a desktop folder. The shortcut specifies Start in the same folder. I save my attachment to that folder, open the folder, drag the file onto fentun, extract the files and they are saved back into the same folder again, ready to use. Wow, that's really, really convenient! Thank you *very much* for that Howto. Where do you want to go today :- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On 08 February 2002 at 4:00 pm Jonathan wrote: Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific configuration. TB is actually pretty good, but it would be nice to be able to remap the keyboard - and not just for the editor - so that one doesn't have to remember multiple ways to do the same thing (e.g., reformat paragraph, F5 for search, etc.) I think the problem is that TB!'s editor is deliberately _not_ like other editors in many ways. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, but the ubiquity of Microsoft applications (and copies of the way they do things) exerts enormous hidden pressure to always do things the same way. Something else useful for new users (and old users :) would be a button in Options | Editor Preferences to reset them to the defaults. It is _very easy_ to go away from the defaults and get completely confused ... (This is wish no.492 for those who want to look in the bugtracker). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
ON Friday, February 08, 2002, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote: Mary 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive Mary text editor? You better stand back and take cover :( Mary Otherwise, I really like it :-) To late now ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. -- Maslow Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Gerard! On Friday, February 8, 2002 at 6:50:04 PM you wrote: Mary 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive Mary text editor? You better stand back and take cover :( Another of the good tips to follow: Look for the word editor in the archives: 1. It will answer the question in question. 2. You don't have to stand back ... 3. ... just take shelter, as you will get loads and loads of messages about the editor. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Erwarte von anderen nur, was Du selbst bereit bist zu geben. (Romy Walda) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Jonathan! On Friday, February 8, 2002 at 5:00:16 PM you wrote: Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific configuration. 1. I am with you on the key mapping ... but, what the h*** does it have to do with the editor? 2. As for the editors you mention, they are for other purposes than TB!'s editor. I do really like Word - and there is no arguing that it is an editor - but don't want TB!'s editor to behave like it (editorwise). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On 08 February 2002 at 11:31:39 -0500 (which was 16:31 where I live) Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Secnario II - Auto-Format On. Well now when I go back and add text things wrap fine, so everything is great until I hit return/enter and it doesn't bring me to a new line. You need two new lines. Since this is plain text, the only way to delimit two distinct paragraphs is by have a clear, blank line between them. The bottom line is why is there a not an option so that I can type text have it wrap, be able to insert text and not have to use Alt-L to reformat, and be able to hit enter to generate a new line? Because a single new line doesn't denote a new pargraph. Sometimes I want to type a bullet list so I have to turn Auto-Format off. There's a control key combo for that - it's simple enough to remember - Ctrl-Shift-F. o Typing paragraph data?Turn it on. o Typing lists? Turn it off. o Amending a paragraph? Turn it on. If I simply have The Bat! options configured wrong someone please let me know. Thanks Lots. It's not that you have it configured wrong - just that you are expecting too much of a plain text format. Plain text only has hard returns, no soft returns. Auto format is about moving the hard returns around so that the text better fits the given margins. Where should it stop moving hard returns? When it gets to a paragraph break. What does one of those look like? A completely blank line. It is logical, but not intuitive thanks to expectations brought about by editors which handle soft returns. It has been suggested in the past that the TB programmers implement some system of soft returns. I've always felt that to be dangerous. At least with the present system, what we type is what will be sent. No behind-the-scenes formatting for us TB users - oh no! ;-). FWIW, the TB editor *does* follow a standard. It's a very old one. It's based on the old MS-DOS SideKick editor, which itself drew from the old WordStar standard. These standards are still in use in most Borland IDE editors (with tweaks and additions). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - let the thoughts flow http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8ZAhEOeQkq5KdzaARAgNXAKClg/mDCklvH0XscYQ05bEtEbEoagCfS8wR 9kVvCgbS2JWOi7qgXCeP0wk= =FZnJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list
Hi Marck, On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:17:55 +, you wrote: Well now when I go back and add text things wrap fine, so everything is great until I hit return/enter and it doesn't bring me to a new line. You need two new lines. Since this is plain text, the only way to delimit two distinct paragraphs is by have a clear, blank line between them. Sorry but you are wrong ;-) if you are in TB!s editor the text is _not_ plain text, its some binary data in the PCs memory. I see _no_ reason why it should not possibly to have soft and hard line breaks. Every other plain text editor i know do it also, only the one in TB! does it not. So what's wrong with: You type your mail and TB! do on the fly soft line breaks at the 72 column (or whatever you set in options), if you hit enter the editor to do an hard line break. Then if the mail are send TB! could turn all soft line break to hard line breaks. The way the editor now work are simply crazy (_not_ IMHO) and I am do not know any other editor that do such stupid thinks. Because a single new line doesn't denote a new pargraph. Sometimes I want to type a bullet list so I have to turn Auto-Format off. There's a control key combo for that - it's simple enough to remember - Ctrl-Shift-F. o Typing paragraph data?Turn it on. o Typing lists? Turn it off. o Amending a paragraph? Turn it on. Well with an real editor its also possible to write normal text and bullet list without always switch the options. expecting too much of a plain text format. Plain text only has hard And again, how does the editor handle the stuff internally are not related to the output text format. For Example even in an Plain text mail TB! show me different colors for the quoted text (yes its possible because internally you do not use plain text) :-) It has been suggested in the past that the TB programmers implement some system of soft returns. I've always felt that to be dangerous. At Well i noticed no dangerous thinks with my other plain text editors. least with the present system, what we type is what will be sent. No behind-the-scenes formatting for us TB users - oh no! ;-). There are no behind the user formatting with soft returns. Only the convert from soft to hard. But the user see this while writing. FWIW, the TB editor *does* follow a standard. It's a very old one. *ROTFL* Not an bug or missing feature only an old standard. It's based on the old MS-DOS SideKick editor, which itself drew from the old WordStar standard. These standards are still in use in most Borland IDE editors (with tweaks and additions). Well in an IDE editor you need other features as in an editor for email. In programming you does no wan't line breaks at 72 chars. And BTW i not buy my P200 to work with the same editor an 8086 system have used because of its limited power. SCNR, Dirk -- Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/36 (S/N 12A1F196 / Educational) under Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On 08 February 2002 at 13:46:48 -0500 (which was 18:46 where I live) Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] reply text here That is really cool, and I like it much better than how I was doing it where I would simply indent my response under the blocks of reply text. Your way looks much more clear. Nah - it was as Pit said - just that your original text was indented when I quoted it. ... My question I guess is being just a text editor there is no special formatting for creating bulleted lists is there? No there wasn't. It was as simple as 'o' and TAB (which, on the second line, lines up with the indent on the first, etc.). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - a spare brain - from: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8ZIPWOeQkq5KdzaARAsWEAKCXqFWvoz4VQDkfLxJm9gkYB42xQgCeLEgz 69j+7uYL19PiqsdkE1AeaW4= =3MAA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish List.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jean-Baptiste, On 8 Jan 2002 at 14:34:08 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine [JBL] wrote concerning 'Wish List.': JBL Is there any way to consult the wish list? If such list exists, how JBL does one contribute? Just visit: http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com - -- Best regards, David ** 007 of Borg: From Borg with Love. ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/25] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 800@1176 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBPDrr5VK9yf5+yp9NEQKFDgCgydEvaNuGTD6PZNTNAAC/7iVuQWkAnitk o8Uf2j1hfeMybCmCqtIrvfF8 =sDRE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish List
JTM ... I have limited screen real estate and many items in the JTM list area and some of them get cut off. ... DH Try View / Split mode / Vertical Split. Also, use no or only the DH Configuration Toolbar during normal use (invoke the main Toolbar DH only when needed). When I view my messages with TB! on my laptop, I have only an 800x640 display. Even with an 8-point font in the message body I don't have enough screen space; the folder list is the entire screen height and the message list is just too long. For some of us, the split modes just aren't sufficient (yet another one of those "see how Agent does it" requests)... Now that I can change the message list font, I'm happy, just gotta DL 1.42. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wish List
Hello John other TBUDL users, Saturday, May 06, 2000, 7:42:25 PM, you wrote: JTM ... I have limited screen real estate and many items in the JTM list area and some of them get cut off. ... JTM Any thoughts? Try View / Split mode / Vertical Split. Also, use no or only the Configuration Toolbar during normal use (invoke the main Toolbar only when needed). Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wish List II (was Re: Automatic send)
Hi Alberto, On Tue, 2 May 2000 20:31:31 +0200GMT (03/05/2000, 02:31 +0800GMT), Alberto Almagioni wrote: AA I see an option in the "sorting office/filters" about the screen saver AA status: is this working also on screen-energy-save-option? I don't use AA screensaver but if this works (or could work) also with "energy save" AA when the monitor is off by energy save my filter will work otherwise AA not. AA Is bthis possible? Yes. But there is one problem: if for some reason the screen saver is not active while TB! receives new mails, they will not be forwarded to your GSM phone. If you live alone, nobody has a key to your appartment, and there are no earthquakes in your area or heavy trucks passing by, this could be the solution to your problem. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wish List
On Sunday, February 06, 2000, Leif Gregory wrote: ... No one has a recent copy of the wish-list, so we decided to start over. :( I kept the last published list around for the longest time, then deleted it in a housekeeping frenzy, thinking others had copies. Does no one have one of the versions sent to the list among the 1000s of messages that people say they keep? I've gotten so used to TB now, I've forgotten most of my long list of things that used to annoy me about it. Maybe that's a good thing. :) -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wish List
Hi there! On 8 Feb 00, at 23:21, Paula Ford wrote about "Re: Wish List": :( I kept the last published list around for the longest time, then deleted it in a housekeeping frenzy, thinking others had copies. Does no one have one of the versions sent to the list among the 1000s of messages that people say they keep? I don't keep the lists traffic usually, but only the messages that seem to be useful for me in the future. Anyhow, I'm attaching the latest version of wishlist that apparently has been posted here. I dunno if there were more recent reposts: if there were, I haven't them in my TBUDL archive folder. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something... --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org Appended below is the Feb 8th Wish List and posted immediately below that is the Feb 5-10th updates. Perhaps the original author can use this to reconstruct a working copy. TBUDLCo Wishes List 8.02.99 Improvements Interface - Customisable toolbars AL - Office'97-like menu AL - CUA hotkeys AL - When use filter on folder - message counter show filtered count AL - Should use approaches common to other Windows programs PF - Status bar in the bottom of folder view window. - message encoding (as in the editor window) with ability to change view encoding by right-click menu; - number of total messages in a folder; - number of unread messages in folder. VD - Status bar in the message preview window - numbers of messages can relate to all accounts VD - Add an "N" key to jump to the next unread message across all foldersKC - Folder Tree Context Menu should be for *the folder being pointed to* MDP - Search Toolbar Button enabled when in an empty root folder where sub-folders have messages MDP - Ability to select which columns are shown in the message list pane (like the way View / Columns works in the Address Book)R - Make every keystroke function also appear in a menu and/or toolbarR - Increase the number of options for organizing the panes in the main viewPF + Separating 'Print' window into the two: 'Print Options' and 'Print' immediately TD + Spellcheck window: save position during TD spelling, nomodal Common - Template "ConfirmReading" in FolderABAL - Ability to edit _incoming_ messages AL - Redesign of help file AL - Password protection for Address Book AL - Speed improvementsAL - Show "Favourites" in popup menu only from default AB AL - Two types of install - full update AL - Correct ordering by Subj AL MDP - Order by 2 or more fields AL - When selecting `Add to Address Book' ability select the group to go in.GL - Drag and drop editing GL - Better automatic formatting after pasting test GL - Implemented Mail dispatcher - automatic popup if mail arrives over download limit size - menu command to launch it KPG - A switch in bat!'s dialer, which sets the automatic disconnection after the connection is made. KPG - Improved 'Local delivery', so you don't have to wait for the dial-in KPG - Add a CC field to the message preview header GF - A sensible Reply To All message addressingGF - The default sort set in the AB should carry over to the pop up view - from a new message PF - Mail Dispatcher - With a POP account sort the messages in the list.PF - Save As - Add the date of the message and add option to append to an existing file. PF - Export - Add the ability to name exported messages. PF - "Drafts" Folder PF - Copy JUST a selected field from the address book GF - Having just been severely chastised for removing ALL the contents of an Exchange *Public* folderGF - Search results for all accounts: the account or folder should be indicated AH - Folders sort by subject Match *only* alpha characters following ':' MDP - Keep the setting of the "Disconnect" switch when changing access methodMDP - Make the [n] "Re" counter switchable MDP - Quoted Tex
Re: Wish List
On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:13:42 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: Konstantin has done a really nice job on the new wish-list site. He's made it very easy to add your wish. Please go to: http://www.konstantin-online.de/bat/ to add your wish. Nice. BTW, when I created the shortcut the generated page name was "The Bat! Wish Bone" and not "The Bat! Wish Zone". :))) Was that intentional?? Also, what happened to the previous wishes or are we starting afresh? -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Half of the people in the world are below average. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wish List
Hello Allie, On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 at 05:34:50 [GMT -0500], you wrote: AM Nice. BTW, when I created the shortcut the generated page name was AM "The Bat! Wish Bone" and not "The Bat! Wish Zone". :))) Was that AM intentional?? Also, what happened to the previous wishes or are we AM starting afresh? Yeah, I wondered about the "bone" too! We will be pretty much starting fresh. No one has a recent copy of the wish-list, so we decided to start over. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Give me ambiguity or give me something else. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Saturday, January 22, 2000 at 13:02:07 GMT +0800 (which was 22/01/2000 12:02 GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere? SL No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't SL view message) window. TF Latest on this (and closing statement): I've found this virutal TF folder, I *love* it, and have no idea how I ever lived without out TF it. Bye-bye preview pane. :-) Actually I do both since beginning using The Bat!. Preview pane to view *not priority* folder (or in thread mode if I want to see related message) and Ticker with "message List view" for *priority" message. -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Saturday, January 22, 2000, 16:17:57 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello Fred Weissman, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:09:18 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 9:09:18 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Fred Weissman wrote: Fred Has any thought been given to a feature (option?) whereby a message becomes Fred automatically marked as read once it has been replied to? Since mail that Fred has been replied to is (usually) read, having the system mark it as such Fred would save a keystroke or two. To me it seems to be a bug if replying to a msg DOESNT reset the incoming msg as read.,.. Fred I will often read through incoming mail quickly, and reply later. Fred Therefore, I have the account property 'time of reading to mark message as Fred read' set to a very high number (999). Basically, this prevents anything Fred from being marked if all I'm doing is reading it now with the intent of Fred replying later. If it's a low number, the message gets marked upon my Fred reading, and I have to unmark it. Fred Comments? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas, On 21 January 2000 at 18:06:18 GMT +0800 (which was 10:06 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: MDP (I think that's what you meant). TF Yes, it is. But I save the "drafts" (really only quotes) only if I TF think it will take a long time (having a lunch break in between, TF for exmaple); otherwise, I leave the messages open and click the TF Edit Mail Message things whneever I have a moment. I work from my laptop and never know when I may be distracted for long enough for the thing to want to go on standby and never come out of it :-((( (love that M$ coding - not), so my reflex is Ctrl-R, Alt-F2. Also, I'm currently getting at least 400 mails daily and often I sit down to wade through 100 new messages at one shot, so I always park my replies in case what I wanted to say has already been said further down the list. When I've finished reading, I can go to the OutBox and say the things that might still need saying. I couldn't survive without the ticker's virtual folder mechanism to group all that new email in created order and neatly threading across accounts / folders. I really find it hard to understand why so many folks here "hate that ticker" then bemoan the lack of virtual folders. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Marck, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 10:51:34 + GMT (21.01.2000, 18:51 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP I couldn't survive without the ticker's virtual folder mechanism to MDP group all that new email in created order and neatly threading across MDP accounts / folders. I really find it hard to understand why so many MDP folks here "hate that ticker" then bemoan the lack of virtual folders. There is a difference between then ticker and the virtual folder: the latter gives you an overview of the messages rather than showing sequentially each header one at a time (or two, depending on how wide you have set the margins). You can also navigate around and decide which message you want to read first. You can park messages on the fly, you can do everything in a virutal folder that you can do in a real folder. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi tracer, On 21 January 2000 at 18:15:07 GMT +0700 (which was 11:15 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: t So what about making it a box instead of a scrolling bar? I dislike t the scroll as I want to see more then one thing at the same time. t If essentially its a virtua; folder then lets get a FOLDER, not t tickerbar Okay, fair enough, you don't like it for what it is, but it *can* be resized to a negligible width, its' main purpose aside, and simply used as an indicator that there *is* unread mail. (Yeah, I know The Bat flies and that, but I can't see that on my laptop when the TaskBar is set for auto-hide). As for the ticker as a ticker - IMHO it's irrelevant. As would be a boxed list of messages. I find it impossible to use it for pinpointing a start place for message reading or, with 100+ messages per sitting, as an overview of what message are there - I merely use it as a route to the indispensable virtual folder that is its' underlying technology. My point is that a double-click on it then takes you straight into the very virtual folder that so many people say they want. That folder contains all current unread messages in a format such that you can go to the top of the list of them and keep pressing space bar to read your way to the bottom. No folder hopping. No weird Ctrl key-presses for navigating (apart from, perhaps, Ctrl-* to open all threads to start with). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas, On 21 January 2000 at 21:40:58 GMT +0800 (which was 13:40 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: MDP I couldn't survive without the ticker's virtual folder mechanism MDP to group all that new email in created order and neatly MDP threading across accounts / folders. I really find it hard to MDP understand why so many folks here "hate that ticker" then bemoan MDP the lack of virtual folders. TF There is a difference between then ticker and the virtual folder: TF the latter gives you an overview of the messages rather than TF showing sequentially each header one at a time (or two, depending TF on how wide you have set the margins). You can also navigate TF around and decide which message you want to read first. You can TF park messages on the fly, you can do everything in a virutal TF folder that you can do in a real folder. See my reply to tracer. The ticker is just a "silly window" (no offence Max/Stef) which provides an access point to the actual virtual folder you describe. Why request a feature that already exists? Don't let the ticker put you off - check out the virtual folder behind it. Use it. Enjoy. It is a true wonder. I kid ye not -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hello TBUDL! -- Ciao, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Generated with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:06:09 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: As for the ticker as a ticker - IMHO it's irrelevant. As would be a boxed list of messages. I find it impossible to use it for pinpointing a start place for message reading or, with 100+ messages per sitting, as an overview of what message are there - I merely use it as a route to the indispensable virtual folder that is its' underlying technology. My point is that a double-click on it then takes you straight into the very virtual folder that so many people say they want. Cripes! I didn't realize this since I keep (view message list) for the 'view folder' windows disabled. Thanks much. I'll certainly be using it. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Software Independent: Won't work with ANY software. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Marck, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:20:14 + GMT (21.01.2000, 22:20 +0800 GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP See my reply to tracer. The ticker is just a "silly window" (no MDP offence Max/Stef) which provides an access point to the actual virtual MDP folder you describe. Why request a feature that already exists? Don't MDP let the ticker put you off - check out the virtual folder behind it. MDP Use it. Enjoy. It is a true wonder. I kid ye not I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and by mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but my ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind it. :-( -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas, On 21 January 2000 at 22:23:46 GMT +0800 (which was 14:23 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and TF by mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but TF my ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind TF it. :-( If you double click on the ticker, the virtual folder opens in all its' glory. Allie found it. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:23:46 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I jsut tried it by randomly sending 7 messages to myself *and by mistake to the list as well, my apologies to all!, but my ticker is just a ticker. I don't have a virtual folder behind it. :-( :))) Instead of sending yourself messages and tying up your mail server among other mishaps, you may generate some unread messages by going through a few folders, selecting a couple messages, and marking them as unread. Your ticker should come to life now, showing the various messages in their various folders. Now double click on any of the messages displayed in the ticker. A view folder window will popup. Go the View|Message list and you'll see that this View Folder window is actually a virtual folder view, listing all messages being displayed by the ticker. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Allie, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:17:50 -0500 GMT (22.01.2000, 00:17 +0800 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM Instead of sending yourself messages and tying up your mail server AM among other mishaps, you may generate some unread messages by going AM through a few folders, selecting a couple messages, and marking them as AM unread. Stupid me. And I thought unread message are messages that I hadn't read. Thanks for brining me back to earth. ;-) AM Your ticker should come to life now, showing the various messages AM in their various folders. AM Now double click on any of the messages displayed in the ticker. A AM view folder window will popup. Go the View|Message list Aha! That's it! Works! :-))) (I stopped at "a view folder will pop up", didn't think of the next step). AM and you'll see that this View Folder window is actually a virtual AM folder view, listing all messages being displayed by the ticker. Beautiful. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Thomas,
On 21 January 2000 at 23:56:50 GMT +0800 (which was 15:56 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:
TF I tried again and failed. :-(. When I double-click on the ticker,
TF one message will be shown as View Folder (full screen). With all
TF headers ("kludges") even though I do not have it enabled. No
TF message-list style summary. I tried it with both Message Autoview
TF ON and OFF. No difference.
TF Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere?
No, but you do have to have View / Message List enabled. It is a
virtual folder with its' own configuration memory, so you can toggle
Kludges off and turn message list on, etc. to configure it to your
taste. Without the message list, it doesn't make much sense.
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Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Friday, January 21, 2000, 7:56:50 AM, Thomas wrote: Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere? No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't view message) window. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Thursday, January 20, 2000, 7:51:44 PM, Thomas wrote: There was also a discussion about an adiitional flag, "seen" (as opposed ot new or read), with which messages could be marked that need relpies. I haven't heard whether this will be available in v2, but think not. This is done somewhat in elm and, IIRC, mutt as well where messages are "old" when left unread between different sessions. *shrug* -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hallo Steve et al, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:26:34 -0800 GMT (22.01.2000, 01:26 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: Do I have to configure the ticker somewhere? SL No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't view SL message) window. Latest on this (and closing statement): I've found this virutal folder, I *love* it, and have no idea how I ever lived without out it. Bye-bye preview pane. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:02:07 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [..snip..] SL No, turn on message list in the view folder (remember, it isn't view SL message) window. Latest on this (and closing statement): I've found this virutal folder, I *love* it, and have no idea how I ever lived without out it. Bye-bye preview pane. :-) Welcome Thomas. Believe me, you'll find more joy in using the View Folder method of going through mail. The preview pane seems to cause more problems than good. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ (A)bort, (R)etry, (S)elf-destruct? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Fred, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:09:18 -0500GMT (21/01/2000, 10:09 +0800GMT), Fred Weissman wrote: FW I will often read through incoming mail quickly, and reply later. FW Therefore, I have the account property 'time of reading to mark message as FW read' set to a very high number (999). Basically, this prevents anything FW from being marked if all I'm doing is reading it now with the intent of FW replying later. You have basically disabled the function of marking messages as "read" when you "read" them. While I also scan (or even read) all messages before starting to actually reply, I hit "reply" on each message that I want to reply to later. Meanwhile, time to mark message as read is at 0 (zero). There was also a discussion about an adiitional flag, "seen" (as opposed ot new or read), with which messages could be marked that need relpies. I haven't heard whether this will be available in v2, but think not. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list
In Reference to "Wish list" From Gary: G I would like to see this little feature. If TB! is minimized on the G taskbar, I would like the ability to right click on the TB! tab, while G in the taskbar and have the option (other than close or restore) to G fetch mail now from all accounts (without opening the TB! window). If you minimize to tray instead of taskbar you will have your wish!! -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 2,000 rabid Occupational Therapists cook fried eggs on your ribcage. Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list
Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 4:44:18 PM, Gary wrote: taskbar, I would like the ability to right click on the TB! tab, while Options / Minimize to Tray -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi John, On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:36:34 +GMT (14/01/2000, 10:36 +0800GMT), John Sullivan wrote: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I JS was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I JS knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not JS to a list. Any other combination is possible. Somebody was surprised when I said I keep all the message to and from a certain person in a person-specific folder, instead of keeping received, replied and sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi Thomas, On 14 January 2000 at 19:33:41 GMT +0800 (which was 11:33 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JS The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the JS message I was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages JS folder, and I knew it was in response to a message in my Sent JS folder, which was not to a list. Any other combination is JS possible. TF Somebody was surprised Not I ;-) TF when I said I keep all the message to and from a certain person in TF a person-specific folder, instead of keeping received, replied and TF sent messages seperately. Now you know why. ;-) Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize tightly. Project/person/list specific folders with all received/sent messages automatically filtered into place ensures that complete conversation threads are *exactly* where I need to see them without having to go searching for this/that/the other reply. Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi tracer, On 14 January 2000 at 23:26:57 GMT +0700 (which was 16:26 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: Marck Absolutely. With 48000 messages in my base I have to organize Marck tightly. t Marck, do you have all those messages in the Bat in their active t folders or are part of them archived. I try to keep each folder to 2k messages each. When one exceeds that, I create a sub-folder named "To dd-mm-" in a sub-folder "Archive" and move the messages there and start over. Unless I do that, it takes an age to click into a folder with 2k messages in. t I just wonder how long it takes to open the BAT. Well, as Steve Lamb once pointed out, TB opens quite fast .. 5 seconds. The message counting and indexing is done as a concurrent task which I just about ignore (because the rest of TB is up and running and fully usable) but, even then, it all takes only about 20-25 seconds max. t With an amount of mail like this you need some partial archiving t method so how do you handle that? Manually. :-) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
Hi John, On 14 January 2000 at 01:21:34 GMT + (which was 01:21 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JS What I'd *really* like to be able to do, is from a message I have JS in some folder somewhere (which does have valid In-Reply-To: and JS References: headers), automatically find the message which it is JS itself a reply to. I *can* see the need... but JS (I believe that at the moment the fastest way of achieving this is JS ... [snip] ... the quickest way of finding such a message given the above stipulations about "In-Reply-To" etc. (provided that it resides in the same folder) is to press Alt-1 - thread by reference. Of course, if it's in another folder, then ... back to square one ;-) Cheers, Marck -- Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list item?: find original message
On Friday 14 January 2000 Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ... the quickest way of finding such a message given the above stipulations about "In-Reply-To" etc. (provided that it resides in the same folder) is to press Alt-1 - thread by reference. Of course, if it's in another folder, then ... back to square one ;-) The "above stipulations" were purely an example. In fact the message I was sat in front of at the time was in my Read Messages folder, and I knew it was in response to a message in my Sent folder, which was not to a list. Any other combination is possible. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 4:57:41 PM, Quin wrote: When you don't like other users' suggestions, you demand they work/think/behave like you and get along without whatever has been suggested. Of course, you could take a risk and learn to get along _with_ some features you haven't approved just as well. Here's the problem, Quin, the features they want are available in abundance elsewhere! Simply stated there is a market out there of people who don't want personalities, HTML rendering, all-in-one apps that look, feel and act like the 20 other applications out there. I came to TB! *because* it was different and fear having to leave it because of people wanting it to be exactly like everything else, which I detest. When everything acts the same, there is no choice for it all is the same. At some point one must simply say "NO!" NO!! -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Filters order - was - Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello, The Bat Users! TF - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets TF up a filter moving messages by that author into a specified TF box. You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list window when you've marked the appropriate message and a dialog pops up asking you what criteria to use and where to move it to (a simplified version of the Account|Sorting Office/Filters menu command). AM I'd only recommend this method of filter rule creation, only when creating AM kill filters specifically, since kill filters act at the server level and AM not the inbox level. AM Creating Inbox filters using this simple method has two drawbacks. AM b) Upon creation, the filter rule is added by default to the AM bottom of the list of filter rules. Since the proper functioning AM of the filter may depend on where it lies in the filter list, this AM may create problems again. There is a checkbox "Overwrite existing filters" - if checked, the filter will be placed on the top. -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:10:38 PM, Januk wrote: It would appear to me that people are not seeing the obvious. There is a way to fill both needs, and that's through the appropriate use of plug ins. Plug-ins are not the end-all, be-all answer, trust me. When implemented correctly, you can offer lots of choice and customization, while keeping the "core" program to a minimum. Unfortunately I've yet to see plug-ins implemented in such a way. Mostly they are there to add ancillary features, not the core features we are debating. Some people want handy little reminders, it would be nice to be able to go download a little package that adds those reminders. Nor have I ever seen plug-ins be able to integrate themselves into a program to be able to do this. Plug-ins cannot modify the core program unless they are given access to do so. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:21:36 PM, Allie wrote: IOW, if user X, in the spirit of being human, fails to fill in the subject and messes up a thread, many innocents will suffer for it. Noone suffered from it. People who replied could have just as easily changed topics as well. This is different from you sitting at your own terminal, in the privacy of your home, and deleting an entire partition. I don't care about the latter happening to you because you didn't get a warning message. It's your partition, your mess up, your waterloo. Meanwhile the partition that I deleted was when I was sitting at work and mail for 7000+ customers was delayed for close to 5 hours while that partition on a production machine, at work, was rebuilt. To me, that had more of an impact that a missing subject. annoyingly natural and incurable habit of humans to overlook or forget things, especially things that may impact upon innocent others. That's one of the joys of computing. "Humans are dumb, leave them that way." No thanks, improve the human, not the program when it comes to *mistakes* like this. To coddle the user on each potential mistake is to make a program unusable. major deletions are placed there because the incidence of major mistakes are high and the loss as result of these deletions far outweigh that of having to deal with the confirmation messages/dialogs. Of this you and I differ in opinion. The time I lose in the years that I don't make a mistake is far outweighed by the time I had to recall from backups things inadvertently deleted. The fact that I or you work with precision and make few mistakes where deletions are concerned, is pretty much besides the point. For those who require the increased productivity (indirectly) through these confirmatory messages, they are just as important additions to the product as any other. Incorrect. People should learn. If a person requires such things then they have no business breathing, IMHO, because they are in the habit of doing a lot of potential harmful things without doublechecking. Sure. I don't think anyone is arguing this. A subject header reminder is not a foofie. It can prevent messing up threads among other things. If you fill in your subject headers, you'll never see the popup message. Yes, it is. In the grand scheme of things there are other solutions to the problem which are far preferable. I never saw the popup message when using Agent. :) You obviously never left out subjects like I do from time to time, on purpose. In Agent, there's a options menu page called 'confirmations'. There you may enable or disable confirmation messages supported by the program, and guess what, the subject header notification message is one of the few not made optional. Agent is also a mail reader and subjects are not required in mail. I mean, after all, it's a newsreader, and all messages posted to newsgroups should have a subject. :) Now *that's* an application for humans. :) No, it is an application made for morons. You might think that the human population consists of nothing more than drooling incompetents but I'd like to think that those who do have enough intelligence to use computers should be able to use them unhindered with the babysitting some people seem to require. Not everyone is an idiot, Allie, and some would like to do what is technically permitted. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 1:20:45 AM, Quin wrote: True. But that's the purpose of the pop-up: to verify if that's your intention. Right. If it is blank, that is my intention. I don't want the computer to question me. It is dumb, I am not. I don't need it verifying and approval stamping every move I make. that such a feature is only a user-friendly amenity, not a necessity, in my opinion. I personally like it but can live without it. Good, then live without it. I see it as user-hostile bloat, nothing more. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 1:33:54 AM, Douglas wrote: But "show kludges" shift+ctrl+k is not the same as: "show headers." shift+ctrl+h But the kludges it is showing *are* the headers as defined by RFC822. In short, TB! had taken a common term and mangled it. This is bad, especially for people in the support industry. "OK, send me the spam with all headers." "How do I do that?" "Well, turn on headers." "They are on." "I'm not getting them all." etc, etc, etc... And I'm sure that toggling either on or off via toolbar buttons would take much longer than using the simple commands above. What TB! calls "headers" it just its parsing of the limited set of headers it knows, not all of the headers there are, many of which are not kludges. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 4:58:38 AM, Allie wrote: This means that you'll see the delete confirmation whenever you wish to do a delete operation deemed 'dubious'. Still in contrast to a popup message that appears *only* when you fail to do the right thing. :) However, in this case, you've not failed to do the right thing. Perhaps I should say 'fail to do what you should' rather than the right thing because I know of no rule where you must include a subject. Netiquette guidelines do say that you should: From RFC822: A.3. COMPLETE HEADERS A.3.1. Minimum required Date: 26 Aug 76 1429 EDTDate: 26 Aug 76 1429 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc:To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note that the "Bcc" field may be empty, while the "To" field is required to have at least one address. Simply stated you need to have DATE and FROM at all times. TO is optional in the presence of BCC and BCC is optional in the presence of TO. Subject is defined as an additional header. It is not required. quote "When you send an email message, your return address usually appears automatically. You just need to fill in the "To" line (with the recipient's email address) and the "Subject" line (with a clear and concise description of the subject of your message)." /end quote A reminder is not not a foofie from this POV, since it's courteous to include a subject in 99.9% of instances, you may break threads without it. I have no problem with it. :) So in the above paragraph the requirement of a TO is false. The requirement of a subject is also false. You also should put a sig delimiter, have the sig less than 5 lines, write in English, use proper spelling, quote properly, do not ramble on excessively, not flame someone, etc. I do not advocate the computer making a warning on each of these "shoulds" as it would be user hostile to do so. Warning on anything other than technical requirements is user hostile and should be left out. One "may" break threads. But that is why we have In-Reply-To and References, isn't it? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Saturday, January 08, 2000, 7:51:40 AM, Tim wrote: That's true, but they would have the same function as the other buttons - you wouldn't have to take your hand off the mouse. Assumption is that the hands were on the mouse in the first place. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Filters order - was - Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:27:47 +0300, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote: [..snip..] AM b) Upon creation, the filter rule is added by default to the AM bottom of the list of filter rules. Since the proper functioning AM of the filter may depend on where it lies in the filter list, this AM may create problems again. There is a checkbox "Overwrite existing filters" - if checked, the filter will be placed on the top. You very well may not want that either. :) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ Error reading FAT record; try the SKINNY one (Y/N)? ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Steve Lamb: SL I hope they neither read nor follow anything from Microsoft. MS has not SL built anything decent, ever. They have built themselves one hell of a bottom line. ;-) -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May a handful of irritating Quakers forge cheques in your ballroom. Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 07:55:45AM -0600, Nick Danger wrote: They have built themselves one hell of a bottom line. ;-) So does a professional killer, doesn't mean either of them should be emulated. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:41:09PM +0700, tracer wrote: The only thing which almost always works... Never hardlocked your machine, I take it? Or had windows intercept it and cheerily tell you you're waiting for Windows to display the right dialog... yet have windows lock so it never will? BTW, CNTL-ALT-DEL in NT is to login. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:48:42 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: [..snip..] You also should put a sig delimiter, have the sig less than 5 lines, write in English, use proper spelling, quote properly, do not ramble on excessively, not flame someone, etc. I do not advocate the computer making a warning on each of these "shoulds" as it would be user hostile to do so. Warning on anything other than technical requirements is user hostile and should be left out. One "may" break threads. But that is why we have In-Reply-To and References, isn't it? This is good Steve. I totally agree with you and you have successfully converted me to your POV on why the subject reminder message is not such a good idea. :) The reason for this is based on your two points above which I had overlooked. One is that threading may be achieved without subjects. The next is that you mentioned a few pointers on how to properly compose an e-mail message to minimize annoying the recipient, that to me, is far more important than including or leaving out a subject. BTW: Although the RFC was good information, it was a refute to a point I didn't make. I specifically said that the subject inclusion was not a must and that it was proper. Netiquette guidelines instruct you on what you should do, not what you *must*. The next thing is that Forte' Agent is not an application dorks and morons, OK? I have many reasons for saying this but this is not the forum for it. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.38e mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 6) [ I know Karate, Kung Fu, and 47 other dangerous words ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
In Reference to "Wish list from a new user of The Bat" From Steve Lamb: They have built themselves one hell of a bottom line. ;-) SL So does a professional killer, doesn't mean either of them should be SL emulated. Ah, a paid assassin! Isn't that what Janet Reno is? (oops, way OT now, sorry... last post on this.) -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 256 pseudo-intellectual Grand Prix drivers commune with nature on your remote. Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hi there! On 9 Jan 00, at 3:24, Steve Lamb wrote about "Re: Wish list from a new user of Th": It would appear to me that people are not seeing the obvious. There is a way to fill both needs, and that's through the appropriate use of plug ins. Plug-ins are not the end-all, be-all answer, trust me. Gee, I feel like wishing to agree with this;-) Plugins are excellent way to *add* functionality that doesn't belong to the main featureset of the program. But you won't reimplement the features already available, however buggy, via plugins:-) When implemented correctly, you can offer lots of choice and customization, while keeping the "core" program to a minimum. Unfortunately I've yet to see plug-ins implemented in such a way. Mostly they are there to add ancillary features, not the core features we are debating. That's it. Some people want handy little reminders, it would be nice to be able to go download a little package that adds those reminders. Nor have I ever seen plug-ins be able to integrate themselves into a program to be able to do this. Plug-ins cannot modify the core program unless they are given access to do so. Sure. For example, if you want to write a plugin that would do a proper threading, or add some filtering action, you'll very probably fail. -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: Those who can -- do. Those who cannot -- teach. Those who cannot teach -- administrate. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Sunday, January 09, 2000, 6:35:39 AM, Allie wrote: BTW: Although the RFC was good information, it was a refute to a point I didn't make. I specifically said that the subject inclusion was not a must and that it was proper. Netiquette guidelines instruct you on what you should do, not what you *must*. It was there to reinforce two things. 1: What is technically required versus what isn't. 2: That yes, I do know what I am talking about. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
On Sunday 9 January 2000 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: On 9 Jan 00, at 3:24, Steve Lamb wrote: Plug-ins are not the end-all, be-all answer, trust me. I agree here. After all, the logical extension of this is the null application which does *nothing* other that to make calls to its plug-ins! Gee, I feel like wishing to agree with this;-) Plugins are excellent way to *add* functionality that doesn't belong to the main featureset of the program. But you won't reimplement the features already available, however buggy, via plugins:-) Actually, there *are* ways to implement this. Going back to MS's Object Model design guide[1], one of the design models they recommend is that the host application implement events for pretty much all of its actions. An interested plug-in can then register for these events. When performing some action, The Bat! would then call the plug-in twice: the first before doing any processing, the second afterwards. Both calls pass a complete set of parameters for the action to the plug-in, and the first call also passes an additional "Cancel" parameter, so that the plug-in can completely suppress the built-in functionality if it so desires. It should be clear that when done properly this results in a *very* powerful facility for the plug-in writer, and having implemented it myself I can say that it contributes a minimal amount of bloat to the host application. (I will try and dig out an on-line link to this document. The only copy I have is a print-out.) [1] I know Steve doesn't like MS (I assume you're running The Bat! in the WINE emulator under Linux then ;-), however to state that everything they do and everyone who programs for them is bad is a logical impossibility - if they were *that* incompetent then you'd expect at least a few good people to slip through their recruitment procedures! Some people want handy little reminders, it would be nice to be able to go download a little package that adds those reminders. Nor have I ever seen plug-ins be able to integrate themselves into a program to be able to do this. Plug-ins cannot modify the core program unless they are given access to do so. And that's the crunch - you only achieve the most powerful capabilities when the host application exposes *all* its actions and functionality to the plug-in interface. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fw: Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
--- START OF FORWARDED MESSAGE -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Sullivan) Date: 03/10/20, 06:54:23 ã Subject: Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat On Sunday 9 January 2000 Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: On 9 Jan 00, at 3:24, Steve Lamb wrote: Plug-ins are not the end-all, be-all answer, trust me. I agree here. After all, the logical extension of this is the null application which does *nothing* other that to make calls to its plug-ins! Gee, I feel like wishing to agree with this;-) Plugins are excellent way to *add* functionality that doesn't belong to the main featureset of the program. But you won't reimplement the features already available, however buggy, via plugins:-) Actually, there *are* ways to implement this. Going back to MS's Object Model design guide[1], one of the design models they recommend is that the host application implement events for pretty much all of its actions. An interested plug-in can then register for these events. When performing some action, The Bat! would then call the plug-in twice: the first before doing any processing, the second afterwards. Both calls pass a complete set of parameters for the action to the plug-in, and the first call also passes an additional "Cancel" parameter, so that the plug-in can completely suppress the built-in functionality if it so desires. It should be clear that when done properly this results in a *very* powerful facility for the plug-in writer, and having implemented it myself I can say that it contributes a minimal amount of bloat to the host application. (I will try and dig out an on-line link to this document. The only copy I have is a print-out.) [1] I know Steve doesn't like MS (I assume you're running The Bat! in the WINE emulator under Linux then ;-), however to state that everything they do and everyone who programs for them is bad is a logical impossibility - if they were *that* incompetent then you'd expect at least a few good people to slip through their recruitment procedures! Some people want handy little reminders, it would be nice to be able to go download a little package that adds those reminders. Nor have I ever seen plug-ins be able to integrate themselves into a program to be able to do this. Plug-ins cannot modify the core program unless they are given access to do so. And that's the crunch - you only achieve the most powerful capabilities when the host application exposes *all* its actions and functionality to the plug-in interface. John -- you gave me something that i could touch in a world where i'd had too much something i could feel with my broken hands full of lost ideals but soon i'm returning to you my friend and we'll go where the rivers end in the silver sea and i'll carry you if you carry me -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
SOT: OOP (was: Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat)
Hi John, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:54:23 +GMT (10/01/2000, 02:54 +0800GMT), John Sullivan wrote: JS Going back to MS's Object Model design guide[1], one of the design JS models they recommend is that the host application implement events May I comment here that Object-Oriented Progamming (OOP) was not invented by M$. I have several books about that subject at home, some of them a few years old, and none of them mentions M$ at all. JS (I will try and dig out an on-line link to this document. The only JS copy I have is a print-out.) I would be interested, so I can see whether they just copy what has been in the hype among software engineers for the past few years, or whether they actually did come up with some new ideas. JS [1] I know Steve doesn't like MS (I assume you're running The Bat! JS in the WINE emulator under Linux then ;-), however to state that JS everything they do No problem here: they didn't invent it. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
