reading confirmation

[Privateofcourse]

Hello TBUDL,

 How can I prevent SPAM messages from automatically generating reading
 confirmations and immediately queuing them in the outbox? It's beginning to
 irritate me.

 I use a separate SPAM POP3 account under cPanel as the default address for
 all of my domains. All SPAM and unrouted mail gets forwarded to this
 account and periodically I collect it in TB! and check it before deleting
 it. As I hardly get any SPAM at all nowadays, due to the way I have my mail
 set up, it's not a mega burden, but I do sometimes get an influx of about
 10 SPAM emails in a week, and some of them are automatically generating a
 reading confirmation which is immediately queued in the SPAM account's
 outbox. I then have to empty the outbox, which is getting on my pip!

 Is there a surefire way to prevent TB! from creating these without any
 repetitive intervention?

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reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello all,

Is there any way to initiate a read confirmation when none is asked
for by the sender (short of a reply/macro confirmation message which
involves several keystrokes)?  

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Reading Confirmation

[David Anderson]

Hi,

Is it possible to set up an address book entry so that an automatic
reading confirmation receipt is sent to that particular user? I have a
general reading confirmation set in account details, but there doesn't
seem to be anything to set for an individual recipient.

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Reading confirmation

[Fabio]

Is there any way to say :

"answer always NOT when a reading confirmation is asked"

thank you very much !

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REading confirmation working?

[Michael J. Sharp]

Hello Tbudl list,

I just tried sending an e-mail to one of my other address with confirmation 
receipt checked and red confirmation. Neither of them work.

Any ideas please?

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Re: reading confirmation

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Privateofcourse,
Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 4:38:54 PM, you wrote:


P>  Is there a surefire way to prevent TB! from creating these without any
P>  repetitive intervention?

Account/Properties/Templates/READING confirmation/Set to Ignore
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Re: reading confirmation

[Paul Berger]

Hello tb...@thebat.,

Thursday, May 28, 2009, 7:38:54 AM, you wrote:

P> Hello TBUDL,

P>  How can I prevent SPAM messages from automatically generating reading
P>  confirmations and immediately queuing them in the outbox? It's beginning to
P>  irritate me.

P>  I use a separate SPAM POP3 account under cPanel as the default address for
P>  all of my domains. All SPAM and unrouted mail gets forwarded to this
P>  account and periodically I collect it in TB! and check it before deleting
P>  it. As I hardly get any SPAM at all nowadays, due to the way I have my mail
P>  set up, it's not a mega burden, but I do sometimes get an influx of about
P>  10 SPAM emails in a week, and some of them are automatically generating a
P>  reading confirmation which is immediately queued in the SPAM account's
P>  outbox. I then have to empty the outbox, which is getting on my pip!

P>  Is there a surefire way to prevent TB! from creating these without any
P>  repetitive intervention?



You can set to ignore reading confirmations, either for the whole
email account or for individual folders.

Right click on the folder and choose Properties - Templates -
Confirmation and then click in the circle for Ignore.

For the whole account, Account - Properties - Templates - Reading
Confirmation - Ignore.



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Re: reading confirmation

[Privateofcourse]

Hello Paul,

This is what you said on Thu, 28 May 2009 10:00:14 +1000 your time:

> Right click on the folder and choose Properties - Templates -
> Confirmation and then click in the circle for Ignore.

> For the whole account, Account - Properties - Templates - Reading
> Confirmation - Ignore.

Excellent, thanks for pointing that out. Couldn't find it for looking.

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Re: reading confirmation

[Privateofcourse]

Hello Stuart,

This is what you said on Wed, 27 May 2009 18:47:16 -0500 your time:

> Account/Properties/Templates/READING confirmation/Set to Ignore

Thanks for the directions. Brain not fully engaged, autofocus on the blink,
and too little sleep... ;-)

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Reading Confirmation Warning

[Tony Hoare]

Hi Bats!,

I often get Reading Confirmation Request on an email that TB! kindly puts in 
the Outbox - which I never send.

However, I have just sent myself an email with a reading request on it. I read 
it and immediately got a Read DSN report. The TB! Reading Confirmation receipt 
is still sitting in my Outbox.

This is a major surprise for me as I thought I never sent Read Receipts. I am 
now presuming that the IMAP server does this itself and not the client as I 
previously thought. 

This is true for outlook.office365.com using IMAP but does not happen on my 
self-hosted Postfix/Courier setup.

Confused!

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Re: reading confirmation

[Mark Wieder]

John-

Look under Filter Actions | Create Reading Confirmation (forced).

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

MW>> Look under Filter Actions | Create Reading Confirmation (forced).

> Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation
> (forced)" or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same
> program as other people!

In TB's main window Cntl+Shft+S will bring up 'Sorting Office' for the
account you are in commonly known as 'Filter'. Account | Sorting/Office
Filters will do the same. Create a 'Read messages' filter with '.' as
the string and leave the 'Inbox' as 'Source' and 'Move' folders. On the
'Actions' tab select 'Create Reading Confirmation (forced)', and on the
'Options' tab select 'Execute action set of this rule by pressing the
Hot Key:' and hit the keys you want.

Or conversely just copy this filter and paste it into your office
filters under 'Read messages'.

--start->
BeginFilter
Name: Reading Confirm
Active: 1
Source: \\ML MyDomain\Inbox
Target: \\ML MyDomain\Inbox
CopyFolder: none
MainSet: 00.
Actions: faoMakeRCR,faoRegExp,faoHotKey
AddGroups: 
DelGroups: 
ForwardTemplate: 
ConfirmTemplate: 
ReplyTemplate: 
FwdAddr: 
RedirectAddr: 
NewAddr: 
NewTemplate: 
ExtCmd: 
ExtFile: 
ExtractDir: 
ColourGroup: 
AddAddrItems: afiFrom,
DelAddrItems: afiFrom,
HotKey: 49223
IsOfColour: 
SizeBigger: 0
SizeSmaller: 0
AgeOlder: 0
AgeNewer: 0
InAddrPos: 0
OutAddrPos: 0
InAddrGroups: 
NoAddrGroups: 
KillFile: 
KillMethod: 0
SaveTemplate: 
SndFile: 
SysSound: 0
SoundTime: 0:00-0:00
AllowTime: 0:00-0:00
EndFilter

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

> They sure are buried! I must learn not to ignore scroll bars! What
> will that 'forced confirmation' do? Will it confirm *every* message
> arriving at that folder?

No not if you set it up as a 'Read messages' filter.

> My initial question remains - can I 'force' a confirmation on any
> specific e in the whole account?

If you mean 'e' as in email, then yes with the your designated hot key.

> Sometimes I might want to assure someone that the e has been read and
> will be answered later even though the message is from a new contact
> whose e filters to 'Inbox'.

You can use the filter how ever you want, however you may want to edit
your 'Reading confirmation' template under the 'Account properties'
(Shft+Ctrl+P) or Account | Properties.

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

> Thanks to you Greg and the other correspondents.

No problem. To be honest I didn't know how to do it, but know some of TB
basics. When I saw your question I thought it might be something useful
for me down the road, and figured it out.  This is how I learn TB. With
so many features the only way to learn is by using them.

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Re: reading confirmation

[Greg Strong]

Hello John,

> If you just received a confirmation Greg, it worked! Thanks again.

Well not yet. You have to be careful with using the confirmation with
list messages. I ran under test with the default 'Reading confirmation'
template on a TBUDL message. It replies to the list, so I think the
'Reading confirmation' template sends to the 'Reply-To:' address. On
TBUDL this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would think you wouldn't be
using with list mail, so the address should be ok.

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Re: reading confirmation

[Mark Wieder]

John-

Friday, August 22, 2003, 7:29:08 PM, you wrote:

JB> P.S. The use of 'e' for email is my way of reducing abbreviations to a
JB> minimum. It is a noun, singular and plural, a verb and just about
JB> anything you want!

...and it takes a whole paragraph to explain, which sort of defeats
the purpose...

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Re: Reading Confirmation

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:00:55 + your time, you said:

DA> Hi,

DA> Is  it  possible  to  set  up  an  address  book  entry so that an
DA> automatic  reading confirmation receipt is sent to that particular
DA> user?  I  have  a  general  reading  confirmation  set  in account
DA> details,  but  there  doesn't  seem  to  be anything to set for an
DA> individual recipient.

You'd  set that up in the Sorting Office/Filters not the Address Book.
Create a new filter to filter against the particular email address you
want  auto  reply  for,  and  on the actions tab select Create Reading
Confirmation.

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Re: Reading confirmation

[Luc]

 Good evening Fabio,
  
It was foretold that on 10-1-2003 @ 22:27:47 GMT+0100 (which was
22:27:47 where I live) Fabio would mumble:
  

F> Is there any way to say :
F> "answer always NOT when a reading confirmation is asked"
  
Account ---> properties -->templates ---> "reading confirmation":
ignore
 
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Re: Reading confirmation

[Roel]

Hi Fabio

On 10 Jan 2003 22:27:47 , Fabio wrote:

F> "answer always NOT when a reading confirmation is asked"

account properties -> templates -> reading confirmation -> ignore

hth
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Reading Confirmation Receipt

[Gerry Doyon]

  Hello Jan Rifkinson,

Your message to Gerry Doyon, dated Friday, June 29, 2001, 7:50:24 PM, has in fact been 
read.

If your message requires an answer, Gerry will answer when time permits.

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Reading Confirmation setting

[junk]

Hi,
Is there a way to check whether a message that has already been
sent from The Bat! was mailed with the 'Reading Confirmation' option
selected? I don't recall if I set this option in a message I recently
sent, and I don't want to bother this person with another message. Of
course, there's also the possibility that his e-mail client is not
configured to return receipt requests but I don't know for sure.

Thanks for the help in advance!

-BoB

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Reading Confirmation Receipt

[Jernej Simonèiè]

  Hello Eddie Castelli,

Your message to Jernej Simonèiè, dated 30 Dec 2001, 22:50:21, has in fact been read.
If your message requires an answer, Jernej will answer when time permits.

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Reading Confirmation Bug?

[Gene Gough]

  I received a note today with a request for reading confirmation.  I
  have kept that note in my inbox as a reminder of some action that I
  have to take.  Now every new note into my inbox causes the attempted
  send of a reading confirmation of that first note.  I have sent one
  just to see if it would stop this but it made no difference.  It
  also doesn't matter if the new note has been filtered to a different
  folder or not, any attempt to read it will result in the prompt for
  confirmation on the first note above.

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BUG - Reading Confirmation

[Nick Danger]

I have Reading Confirmation set to "Put in Outbox / Prompt before
action" for my business account as I like to be in control of the
thing.  I also read mail using the preview mode/view.

Here's what happens:

If I'm reading a message in my business account and then click down
into my personal account to read something, that's when the prompt for
the reading confirmation pops up, as it doesn't pop up until you
remove focus from the message.

However, this way the confirmation message actually gets placed into
my personal account's outbox along with it picking up all of that
account's settings.  Not good.

As much as I love the way TB! lets you change accounts on the fly I'm
finding more and more instances where it doesn't do it thoroughly
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Reading Confirmation Receipt

[Thomas]

  Hello Jan Rifkinson,

Your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], dated Tuesday, January 16, 2001, 1:06:04 AM, has 
in fact been read.
If your message requires an answer, Thomas will answer when time permits.

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Reading confirmation templates

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Greetings Bat Fans,

David  Elliott  and  I  just  noticed a bit of a horror in the default
reading confirmation template.

It says:

==8<=
%OToFName will answer when time permits
==8<=

BUT!  If  the  confirmation is sent out by a CC or secondary addressee
then the confirmation is sent out with *the wrong name* there. I got a
confirmation  from my colleague Trevor who had received a CC'd message
and  it claimed that "David will answer". How can Trevor possibly know
that?

As David said, it should be

==8<=
%FromFName will answer when time permits
==8<=

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Re: REading confirmation working?

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Michael,

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:41:22 -0400GMT (3-4-2008, 18:41 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MJS> I just tried sending an e-mail to one of my other address with
MJS> confirmation receipt checked and red confirmation. Neither of them work.

Check the receiving account for the settings how to react on a read
confirmation:
  Account -> Properties -> Templates -> Reading confirmation -> Action: ?
My favourite setting is 'Ignore'
And whether a confirmation will be sent, is set in the receiving
account.


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Auto reading confirmation template

[Marten Gallagher]

When the Bat responds to a 'Message has been read' request, it appends this:

The Bat! - automatic mail servant of...

I want to edit that standard. Where is it to edit?


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Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Tim Hamm]

Hello TBUDL,

  My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never
  worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ
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Re: Reading Confirmation Warning

[Tony Hoare]

Hello Tony,

Friday, August 12, 2016, 5:58:12 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Bats!,

> I often get Reading Confirmation Request on an email that TB!
> kindly puts in the Outbox - which I never send.

> However, I have just sent myself an email with a reading request on
> it. I read it and immediately got a Read DSN report. The TB! Reading
> Confirmation receipt is still sitting in my Outbox.

> This is a major surprise for me as I thought I never sent Read
> Receipts. I am now presuming that the IMAP server does this itself
> and not the client as I previously thought. 

> This is true for outlook.office365.com using IMAP but does not
> happen on my self-hosted Postfix/Courier setup.

> Confused!

You can disable automatic read receipts on Office365 under IMAP 
settings. Phew!



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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Mark,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 9:54 AM:

MW> Look under Filter Actions | Create Reading Confirmation (forced).

Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation (forced)"
or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same program as
other people!

I would like a hot key to initiate a confirmation to any message in
the account but am now wondering if this should be a request for a new
feature not some sort of macro using the existing program.

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Re[3]: reading confirmation

[Karen Kay]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, John Bartlett wrote:
> Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation (forced)"
> or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same program as
> other people!

Me, too.

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Re[4]: reading confirmation

[Bill Blinn-Technology Editor]

At 8:49 PM on 8/22/2003, Karen Kay typed ...

K> On Friday, August 22, 2003, John Bartlett wrote:
>> Under Filter/Actions I don't see "Create Reading Confirmation (forced)"
>> or anything like it. Sometimes I wonder if I have the same program as
>> other people!

K> Me, too.

Sometimes things are buried deep in the menus. Open Sorting Office,
choose the Actions tab, and scroll down. The options on the actions
tab are:

Mark as read
Flag ...
Set priority ...
Set colour ...
Park
Delete
Delete from server
Print (last one visible on my machine without scrolling)
Add addresses
Delete Addresses
Sent auto-reply
CREATE READING CONFIRMATION (FORCED)
Forward to
... and a whole bunch of actions that I didn't know were there.

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Re[5]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Bill,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:39 PM:

BBTE> Sometimes things are buried deep in the menus.


  Thanks Bill. They sure are buried! I must learn not to ignore scroll
  bars! What will that 'forced confirmation' do? Will it confirm
  *every* message arriving at that folder?

  My initial question remains - can I 'force' a confirmation on any
  specific e in the whole account? Sometimes I might want to assure
  someone that the e has been read and will be answered later even
  though the message is from a new contact whose e filters to 'Inbox'.

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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Greg,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:51 PM:

GS> Or conversely just copy this filter and paste it into your office
GS> filters under 'Read messages'

Now that sounds like the answer to a maiden's prayer - well, mine
anyway. I'll experiment.

This exercise has taught me a lot. Thanks to you Greg and the other
correspondents.

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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Greg,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 6:51 PM:

GS> on the 'Options' tab select 'Execute action set of this rule by
GS> pressing the Hot Key:' and hit the keys you want.

If you just received a confirmation Greg, it worked! Thanks again.
  

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Re[5]: reading confirmation

[Karen Kay]

On Friday, August 22, 2003, Bill Blinn-Technology Editor wrote:
> Sometimes things are buried deep in the menus. Open Sorting Office,
> choose the Actions tab, and scroll down. The options on the actions
> tab are:

> Mark as read
> Flag ...
> Set priority ...
> Set colour ...
> Park
> Delete
> Delete from server
> Print (last one visible on my machine without scrolling)
> Add addresses
> Delete Addresses
> Sent auto-reply
> CREATE READING CONFIRMATION (FORCED)

Sure enough!:) Thank you, I shall wear a dunce cap for the rest of the
week.

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Re[3]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello John,

In answer to yours of Friday, August 22, 2003, 7:15 PM:

JB> If you just received a confirmation Greg, it worked! Thanks again.

It seems the list owner doesn't allow confirmation receipts but the
hot key works on e to myself. I think you hit it on the head Greg!
Thanks again.

P.S. The use of 'e' for email is my way of reducing abbreviations to a
minimum. It is a noun, singular and plural, a verb and just about
anything you want!
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Re[2]: reading confirmation

[John Bartlett]

Hello Mark,

In answer to yours of Saturday, August 23, 2003, 8:03 AM:

MW> ...and it takes a whole paragraph to explain, which sort of defeats
MW> the purpose...



Good one Mark - but now I don't have to do it again!

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Re: Reading Confirmation setting

[Silviu Cojocaru]

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Wednesday, July 11, 2001, 7:36:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there a way to check whether a message that has already
> been sent from The Bat! was mailed with the 'Reading
> Confirmation' option selected? I don't recall if I set this
> option in a message I recently sent, and I don't want to
> bother this person with another message. Of course, there's
> also the possibility that his e-mail client is not configured
> to return receipt requests but I don't know for sure.

Well the only way I can think of right now is to go to the sent
mail folder, locate the mail and look in header of that e-mail.
The stuff about the reading confirmation is easy to spot.

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Reading Confirmation - Filter Options

[Tim Rowe]

Hi TBUDL,

  Is it possible to use something like a 'wildcard' in the filter
  string field so that I can send a reading confirmation to all who
  send me mail? Maybe there's an easy way to do this which, as I
  normally only use The Bat's! basic functions I have missed!

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Reading Confirmation - Wrong Folder

[Raj]

Fellow TB users,

Well I am not sure if this is a beta issue If so please ignore and accept my
apologies.

I'm using The Bat! Version 1.54 Beta/30
  Serial Number F719CC74
  under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2
  and would like to report a bug

  The bug description:

  Reading confirmation in wrong outbox.


  Steps to reproduce the bug:

  Send  a  mail  which  needs  reading confirmation. Then after reading the mail
  click a folder in a different account. Assuming you have the option of confirm
  "Reading  Confirmation"  in  the  account/folder properties, a pop window will
  come  asking for confirmation. When clicking 'Yes' the reading confirmation is
  put  in the out box of the current account instead of the account to which the
  message  came. However the 'from' address remains same as the original account
  or the account to which the message was addressed.
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Re: Reading Confirmation Bug?

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Gene,

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:10:05 -0500GMT (12-3-2002, 0:10 +0100GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

GG>   I received a note today with a request for reading confirmation.  I
GG>   have kept that note in my inbox as a reminder of some action that I
GG>   have to take.  Now every new note into my inbox causes the attempted
GG>   send of a reading confirmation of that first note.  I have sent one

Sounds like your index file might be corrupt.
See if compress and purge fixes the problem.


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Re: BUG - Reading Confirmation

[Jernej Simonèiè]

Hello Nick,

19. april 2002, 20:13:44, you wrote:

ND> However, this way the confirmation message actually gets placed into
ND> my personal account's outbox along with it picking up all of that
ND> account's settings.  Not good.

I think I reported this one quite long ago on TBBETA (either that, or
I wanted to report it, as it happens to me, too)...

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Globally changing reading confirmation

[Gary Lucas]

Hi,   Monday, July 15, 2002 18:51


Somehow I have managed to get the reading confirmation toggled ON in every
one of my folder.  Even though I never set it in any folder I can't
seem to figure out how to turn it off globally.  There must be a way to
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Re: Reading confirmation templates

[Brian Clark]

Hello Marck, 

(MDP == "Marck D. Pearlstone") [EMAIL PROTECTED] alleged:

MDP> David Elliott and I just noticed a bit of a horror in the default
MDP> reading confirmation template.

Speaking of reading confirmations, I've debated on setting up nasty
auto-replies for specific high traffic mailing lists for people that
insist on turning that on for _every_ single email they send -- even
after very polite suggestions off-list. (Not this list, I assure you,
because the average IQ on this list is slightly higher than that of a
Bat.)

My only fear, and the reason I haven't done this yet, is that some one
would to start considering these auto-replies as UCE, when they're
obviously not, and get myself black-holed.

Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the Bed this morning.

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Re: Reading confirmation templates

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Thursday, January 25, 2001, 6:39:09 PM, you wrote:

BC> Speaking of reading confirmations, I've debated on setting up nasty
BC> auto-replies for specific high traffic mailing lists for people that
BC> insist on turning that on for _every_ single email they send -- even
BC> after very polite suggestions off-list. (Not this list, I assure you,
BC> because the average IQ on this list is slightly higher than that of a
BC> Bat.)

You know, sometimes it REALLY ticks me off when I get the spam in my
e-mail In-box.  Part of me wishes I could somehow FILL their e-mail
In-box so it crashes.

Someone else in this forum mentioned reporting the e-mail address to a
spam "collection" web site to complain.  I nice idea in theory, but
you can get another anonymous e-mail address in minutes and these
people can never be caught.  I just decided that it is far easier on
my blood pressure to just press the DELete key and get on with life.

BC> Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the Bed this morning.

Could be, but, in the words of a (in)famous American, "I feel your
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Re: Auto reading confirmation template

[Marten Gallagher]

MG>> The Bat! - automatic mail servant of...

> It is under Account|Properties|Templates|Reading confirmation.

Oh for goodness sake - of course!

And what are you doing still awake?

Only 12 months ago exactly I was in NSW! Sigh


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Re: Auto reading confirmation template

[Marten Gallagher]

> G'day Marten,

> Its only 7:30 pm here.

Ah - duh - ahead - not behind ... silly me!



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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 02:00 schrieb Tim Hamm:

>   My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless.

It is not working or it is not usable. (nicht unnütz)

Would you mind, giving us more Details like OS, Version and what exactly
does not work.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Tim,

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:00:38 -0700GMT (28-9-2008, 2:00 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

TH>   My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never
TH>   worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ
TH>   but not so with TB.

Are you telling us that when writing to the same user and asking for a
reading confirmation, that you get one when asked by Outlook and not
when asked by TB? Without that user being located on the same Exchange
server as you yourself of course, because in that cause Outlook in
cheating...

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 28 September 2008 at 1:14:22 AM, in
, Michael
Kreyling wrote:

> It won't send reading confirmations for me either.I'm
> using The Bat! Pro 4.0.34.11 with OTFE enabled on
> Windows XP Pro SP3.Everything else works good.It won't
> send them with or without OTFE enabled.I hope they can
> fix it.

TB! sends reading receipts if I want it to. Have you set the options
correctly under Account > properties > templates > reading
confirmation?

I am not using OTFE, in case that makes a difference.


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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Dwight Corrin]

On Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:03:21 PM, Jens Franik wrote:

> Would you mind, giving us more Details like OS, Version and what exactly
> does not work.


is it not working because people don't send confirmation, or because
you don't?

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, at 23:35:49 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:35 where I
live) Dwight Corrin wrote:

> is it not working because people don't send confirmation, or because
> you don't?

Just checked it and this is also not working with my version, I have 
sent a message about this to TBBETA.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Privateofcourse]

Hello Jens,

This is what you said on Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:03:21 +0200 your time:

> It is not working or it is not usable. (nicht unnütz)

It is not working!

1) Sender A sends email to recipient B: Sender A includes a reading
confirmation request and delivery confirmation request.

2) Recipient B receives and reads the email from Sender A and, in The Bat!,
is prompted to allow reading confirmation when highlighting another email or
deselecting the read email. So recipient B clicks okay.

3) Sender, and now recipient, A, does not get a reading confirmation NOR do
they get a delivery confirmation.

So I'd say that this feature has become broken...well in TB! it is. Of
course haven't tried sending to a another client.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MAU]

Hello Privateofcourse,

>> It is not working or it is not usable. (nicht unnütz)
>
> It is not working!

Oh yes it is working! Or let me put it this way: In the many years that 
I have been using TB I have never seen it fail.

> 1) Sender A sends email to recipient B: Sender A includes a reading
> confirmation request and delivery confirmation request.

Reading confirmation request and delivery confirmation request or two 
different things. RCR is 'targeted' to the recipient and DCR is targeted 
to the mail server where the recipient has his mail account and 
mailbox. Now, my experience along the years is that there are many mail 
servers that simply ignore DCRs, and the recipient can't do anything 
about that.

> 2) Recipient B receives and reads the email from Sender A and, in The
> Bat!, is prompted to allow reading confirmation when highlighting
> another email or deselecting the read email. So recipient B clicks
> okay.

> ...in The Bat!, is prompted to allow reading confirmation

He is prompted, or not, and the confirmation is sent, or not, depending
in the settings in:

  Account->Properties->Templates->Reading confirmation
  
> ...when highlighting another email or deselecting the read email.

,- [ As I have written in TBBeta about this issue: ]
|
| The 'Reading Confirmation Receipt' is sent (or queued to Outbox) when 
| the message is 'marked as READ'.
| 
| Now, when is a message marked as Read? That depends on a couple of 
| configuration options:
| 
| 1.- In Account->Properties->Options
| - Mark the message as read when it is being read for X Secs
| - Mark the message as read only when it is open in a separate window
| 
| 2.- In Options/Preferences/Message List
| - Go to the next unread message with the SmartSpace reading
|   - Mark the current message as read when navigating away from it
|   
| In my case I have none of the four options ticked because I want to 
| decide when I have read each message. So, I use the shortcut 'Ctrl+M'
| (actually 'Space', which I have configured in Customiser).
`-

> 3) Sender, and now recipient, A, does not get a reading confirmation NOR do
> they get a delivery confirmation.

As mentioned above, delivery confirmation depends on the mail server 
ignoring the request, or not.

And in regards to reading confirmation: Was it actually sent, or perhaps
just queued in Outbox or perhaps just ignored? As mentioned above, that
may depend on the settings in:

   Account->Properties->Templates->Reading confirmation 
   
If the confirmation was actually sent, it should appear in your Sent 
Mail folder unless moved or deleted by some Outgoing filter. And if it 
was actually sent and the recipient (original sender who requested the 
confirmation) didn't receive it... Could it be that he uses some filters 
or Spam scheme that flag it as Spam or perhaps even delete it?

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 03:52 schrieb Michael Kreyling:

> I have it set to send immediately and prompt before the action.Not using
> OTFE doesn't make a difference.It won't work with it off or on.I've tried it
> both ways.I'm using AVG 8.0 and I have it set to scan incoming and outgoing
> messages.I weonder if that could be the problem.

I am also using AVG 8.0 (since this is able to install on FAT32 now)
with scanning in/outbound but only with attachments.

I tested it with myself, and after trying to close the Mail, i am asked:
,- [  ]
| ---
| Browse messages of the Common Folder * Maileingang *
| -------
| OK to create reading confirmation to the message
| 
| from Jens Franik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| 
| with subject "Test confirm"?
| ---
| OK   Abbrechen   
| ---
`-

But you are right, there is no Message generated and of course there is
no Confirmation to be send...

This is not due to AVG, there is even no Message in the Outbox.

If i trigger the Confirmation manually by a Quick-Template, it is sent.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Tim,

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:38:44 -0700 GMT (28/09/2008, 07:38 +0700 GMT),
Tim Hamm wrote:


TH>>>   My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never
TH>>>   worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ
TH>>>   but not so with TB.

>> Are you telling us that when writing to the same user and asking for a
>> reading confirmation, that you get one when asked by Outlook and not
>> when asked by TB? Without that user being located on the same Exchange
>> server as you yourself of course, because in that cause Outlook in
>> cheating...

TH>   TB is not prejudice... regardless of who I send emails to, these
TH>   features simply have never worked.

FWIW it works over here. When I request a receipt confirmation, it is
up to the recipient's server whether it is sent back to me. When I
request a read confirmation, it is up to the recipient's settings
whether I receive it. Non-OTFE, but that shouldn't make a difference.
I use these features for important mails.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 12:49 schrieb Privateofcourse:

> It is not working!

> So I'd say that this feature has become broken...well in TB! it is. Of
> course haven't tried sending to a another client.

You are right, it already on the BETA List. Might be fixed in the next
Versions - you might roll back to .7 where it worked, as far as i know.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MAU]

Hello Jens,

> I tested it with myself, and after trying to close the Mail, i am asked:
> ,- [  ]
> | ---
> | Browse messages of the Common Folder * Maileingang *

Ah! Darn Common Folders!

Do me a favour, please. Right click on your * Maileingang * Common
Folder and select Properties->Templates->Confirmation.

Is the confirmation template set to %BLANK?

If so, 
  - either select 'Override Account's Confirmation Settings' and include 
  a non %BLANK template.
  - or, while your Common folder is selected, go to Account -> 
  Properties -> Templates -> Reading Confirmation and include a  non 
  %BLANK template there.
  
Now see if it works, or not.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Dwight Corrin]

On Sunday, September 28, 2008, 5:49:01 AM, Privateofcourse wrote:

> It is not working!

it is working perfectly here. just the same as it alway does.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 13:57 schrieb MAU:

>> I tested it with myself, and after trying to close the Mail, i am asked:
>> | ---
>> | Browse messages of the Common Folder * Maileingang *

> Ah! Darn Common Folders!
>
> Do me a favour, please. Right click on your * Maileingang * Common
> Folder and select Properties->Templates->Confirmation.

This is a Virtual Common Folder, which represents a Summary of all my
Inboxes - there is no such Option to change the Templates there.

> Is the confirmation template set to %BLANK?

I am sure, that it is not set to %BLANK, because exactly the same Place
it has been working for a long time.

> Now see if it works, or not.

I am sorry, it does not work.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 14:05 schrieb Jens Franik:

>> Ah! Darn Common Folders!

> This is a Virtual Common Folder, which represents a Summary of all my
> Inboxes - there is no such Option to change the Templates there.

To be more specific i tested it again now with the "Real" Folder Inbox:

,- [  ]
| ---
| View Folder Inbox of Jens GMX
| ---
| OK to create reading confirmation to the message
| 
| from Jens Franik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| 
| with subject "test confimation"?
| ---
| OK   Abbrechen   
| -------
`-

There is no Reading Confirmation generated, nor is one sent.
Maybe it is a problem with the Gajin Template?

,- [ This is the Template ]
| %CLEAR%-
| %_VarFrom=%IF:|%OFROMNAME|=|%OFROMADDR|:|%OFROMADDR|:|"%OFROMNAME" 
<%OFROMADDR>|%-
| %_VarTo=%IF:|%OTOLIST|=|undisclosed-recipients:;|:|(kein Empfänger)|:|%-
| %XMP_StrRepl("%OTOLIST",", ","%XMP_StrC(#\r\n  #)")|%-
| %_VarSubj=%IF:|%OSUBJ|=||:|(ohne Betreff)|:|%OSUBJ|%-
| - EMPFANGSBESTÄTIGUNG / LESEBESTÄTIGUNG -
| 
| Für die Nachricht:
|   Von: %_VarFrom
|   An: %_VarTo
|   Gesendet am: %ODATE="", den %-
| %ODATE="dd.mm.", um %OTIMELONG Uhr %-
| (UTC %XMP_TimeParse("%HEADER('Date')",0,""))
|   Betreff: %_VarSubj
|   Msg-Id: <%XMP_MsgId>
| %IF:|%OATTACHMENTS|<>||:|  Anlagen:
| o) %-
| %XMP_StrRepl("%OATTACHMENTS",", ","%XMP_StrC(#\r\no) #)")
| |:||
| Diese Nachricht wurde am %DATE="", %-
| den %DATE="dd.mm.", um %TIMELONG Uhr,
| von %FROMNAME (%FROMADDR) empfangen und gelesen.
| 
| Wenn Sie keine Empfangs- und/oder Lesebestätigungen mehr empfangen
| möchten, deaktivieren Sie bitte diese Einstellung in Ihrem Mailprogramm.
| 
| ==
| Diese Nachricht wurde automatisch von The Bat! %THEBATVERSION generiert.
| Powered by Extended Macro Plugin %XMP_PlugVer (http://www.gaijin.at/).
| ==
| %Subject="Empfangsbestätigung / Lesebestätigung"
| %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Kr_bat:")%-
| %SetHeader("X-Rogue-URL","http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg";)%-
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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 15:05 schrieb Michael Kreyling:

> It's not AVG like you said.I disabled AVG and tried it it,but it didn't
> work.It has to be a bug in The Bat! and I hope they can fix it.I've never
> tried a Quick-Template before for anything.I'll have to set one up and try
> it.It doesn't create the message or send it,so it has to be a bug or broken.

Could you please look in your Outbox Folder, not the Sent Folder.
I found all the Confirmations there unsent...

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 15:14 schrieb Michael Kreyling:

> I looked in my Outbox folder and it's empty.It won't create or send
> them.I'll just have to wait and see if they can find the problem and fix it.

Do you have other than the Default Templates for Reading Confirmation -
for example Gajin Makro Plugin?

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 15:55 schrieb Michael Kreyling:

> I just have the default templates and don't have any other templates set
> up.The only plugins I have are AVG and AntiSpamSniper.

Ok, so you use the AVG Plugin for The Bat! - thats different, i use the
Personal E-Mail Scanner. But as you told, this does not matter.

So we have to wait for the Developers.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MAU]

Hello Jens,

> There is no Reading Confirmation generated, nor is one sent.
> Maybe it is a problem with the Gajin Template?
>
> ,- [ This is the Template ]

Such a 'cumbersome' template just for a reading confirmation? Instead of 
'mixing apples and oranges', why don't you test with a simple one line 
text template?

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MAU]

Hello Jens,

>> Do me a favour, please. Right click on your Maileingang Common
>> Folder and select Properties->Templates->Confirmation.
>
> This is a Virtual Common Folder, which represents a Summary of all my
> Inboxes - there is no such Option to change the Templates there.

If it is a virtual folder then each message will behave according to the 
settings of its own account.


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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 16:29 schrieb MAU:

> Such a 'cumbersome' template just for a reading confirmation? Instead of
> 'mixing apples and oranges', why don't you test with a simple one line 
> text template?

I did test it, one moment bevore i found all the missing
Reading-Confirmations in the Outbox of the Account.
They were unsent.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MAU]

Hello Jens,

> I did test it, one moment bevore i found all the missing
> Reading-Confirmations in the Outbox of the Account.
> They were unsent.

Try this. From main menu select:

Tools->Go Figure->Why->It ain't working for... and from the drop down 
list select your name.

Can't think of anything else. ;-)

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Rick]

> Hello Jens,

>> I did test it, one moment bevore i found all the missing
>> Reading-Confirmations in the Outbox of the Account.
>> They were unsent.

> Try this. From main menu select:

Tools->>Go Figure->Why->It ain't working for... and from the drop down 
> list select your name.

> Can't think of anything else. ;-)

Mine isn't working either. I sent one from my main account and
received it in another account. It was sitting in the outbox with no
"FROM" or account information in the receipt email. It never COULD
have been sent

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Sonntag, 28. September 2008 um 19:20 schrieb MAU:

> Can't think of anything else. ;-)

;-) We'll see what the Developers think about it.
It's me and another User on tbudl@ which have this problem.
The other one is on Viste, there for i think it's not my old
Win2000 Sp4 - this time.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 28 September 2008 at 2:52:19 AM, in
, Michael Kreyling wrote:


>  

> Hello MFPA,

> Saturday, September 27, 2008, 9:21:57 PM, Michael
> Kreyling wrote this message after talking to me on the
> radio:

M>> Hi

M>> On Sunday 28 September 2008 at 1:14:22 AM, in
M>> ,
M>> Michael Kreyling wrote:

>>> It won't send reading confirmations for me either.I'm
>>> using The Bat! Pro 4.0.34.11 with OTFE enabled on
>>> Windows XP Pro SP3.Everything else works good.It
>>> won't send them with or without OTFE enabled.I hope
>>> they can fix it.

M>> TB! sends reading receipts if I want it to. Have you
M>> set the options correctly under Account > properties
M>> > templates > reading confirmation?

M>> I am not using OTFE, in case that makes a difference.

> I have it set to send immediately and prompt before the
> action.

I have it set to put in outbox and prompt before the action. If I say
yes, the confirmation appears in my outbox. The next time I
send/receive mail the confirmation is sent.


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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[MFPA]

Hi

On Sunday 28 September 2008 at 2:55:21 PM, in
, Michael Kreyling wrote:




> I just have the default templates and don't have any
> other templates set up.

You realise sending the the default templated receipt to a message
where you were included as a cc or bcc gives the impression in the
message body that the To addressee has received it.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Montag, 29. September 2008 um 18:17 schrieb MFPA:

> I have it set to put in outbox and prompt before the action. If I say
> yes, the confirmation appears in my outbox. The next time I
> send/receive mail the confirmation is sent.

I confirm to generate the Reading-Confirmation.
It is beeing generated and put in the Outbox.
It is not sent, when i do several ALT-F2 to Send/Receive All

Only when i go on Outbox and say "Send queued Mail" it is sent.

My Options say "send all imediately" "send reading confirmation
imediately" and "prompt before action".

It does not work, it does not work - at least for me.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Tim,

Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:00:38 PM, you wrote:

TH> Hello TBUDL,

TH>   My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never
TH>   worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ
TH>   but not so with TB.

For what it's worth, I submit #20 contained herein:

http://www.emailreplies.com/#9capitals

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:41 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 04:27 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

TH>>   My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never
TH>>   worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ
TH>>   but not so with TB.

JSL> For what it's worth, I submit #20 contained herein:

JSL> http://www.emailreplies.com/#9capitals

These receipt/read confirmations make sense in business, if an agent
or supplier is not answering their mails. I request the confirmations
in the reminder. Once I get the reply from their server or client, I
know that the message was at least received and he has no excuse if he
didn't actually read it. If I get no confirmation back, I call or fax
and ask whether my mail is stuck in their spam folder.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, September 29, 2008, 11:43:42 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Jack,

TF> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:41 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 04:27 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

TH>>>   My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never
TH>>>   worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ
TH>>>   but not so with TB.

JSL>> For what it's worth, I submit #20 contained herein:

JSL>> http://www.emailreplies.com/#9capitals

TF> These receipt/read confirmations make sense in business, if an agent
TF> or supplier is not answering their mails. I request the confirmations
TF> in the reminder. Once I get the reply from their server or client, I
TF> know that the message was at least received and he has no excuse if he
TF> didn't actually read it. If I get no confirmation back, I call or fax
TF> and ask whether my mail is stuck in their spam folder.

I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with
their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some
action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate
that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried
out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible
to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote?

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:10:54 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 21:10 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


JSL> I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with
JSL> their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some
JSL> action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate
JSL> that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried
JSL> out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible
JSL> to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote?

No, you got it right. These are two different confirmations:

1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of
the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of
control of the recipient.

2. The read confirmation is sent by the recipient's email client, and
the recipient can set his email client to send, not send, or request
action by the recipient.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:27:25 AM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Jack,

TF> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:10:54 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 21:10 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


JSL>> I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with
JSL>> their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some
JSL>> action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate
JSL>> that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried
JSL>> out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible
JSL>> to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote?

TF> No, you got it right. These are two different confirmations:

TF> 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of
TF> the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of
TF> control of the recipient.

TF> 2. The read confirmation is sent by the recipient's email client, and
TF> the recipient can set his email client to send, not send, or request
TF> action by the recipient.

I love this list.

Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at
least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read
it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now
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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, at 21:27:25 [GMT +0700] (which was 16:27 where I
live) Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of
> the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of
> control of the recipient.

Hi Thomas,

If I use this option in what way will I see this confirmation of
receiving the message?

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Dienstag, 30. September 2008 um 16:10 schrieb Jack S. LaRosa:

> But your reply seems to indicate that there's some receipt (but not
> read) confirmation which is carried out automatically by the server or
> the mail client itself, invisible to the recipient.

Most Servers - in the Meantime - do not or no longer provide this
Feature.

I always request both Confirmations, but i rarely get a Reading
Confirmation - nearly no time i get the Delivery Confirmation.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Henk,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:56:17 +0200 GMT (30/09/2008, 23:56 +0700 GMT),
Henk M. de Bruijn wrote:

>> 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of
>> the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of
>> control of the recipient.

HMdB> If I use this option in what way will I see this confirmation of
HMdB> receiving the message?

You will receive an email from the server. The text of the email is up
to the sysad, but the server software also offers a default text.

Example:

> A message which requested delivery confirmation recently arrived at this 
> server.
>
> Note: This Return Receipt only acknowledges that the message
> was received by the server. There is no guarantee that the
> content has been read or understood.
>
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: IP rejected?
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:59:14 +0700
>
> Message Recipient: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

This was for a message I sent to our sysad's hotmail address with a cc
copy to his company address. The receipt confirmation came from the
company's server, using his email address @example.co.th as sender.
Hotmail's server did not acknowlege receipt.


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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:20:27 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 22:20 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL> Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at
JSL> least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read
JSL> it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now
JSL> on.

Use with care. It is annoying if I get a pop-up for each message from
a certain customer. It would be better to use it only when necessary,
for example when sending a reminder.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Henk M. de Bruijn]

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008, at 07:09:36 [GMT +0700] (which was 2:09 where I
live) Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> You will receive an email from the server. The text of the email is up
> to the sysad, but the server software also offers a default text.

Thanks Thomas, it is crystal clear now :-)

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 7:11:32 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Jack,

TF> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:20:27 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 22:20 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL>> Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at
JSL>> least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read
JSL>> it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now
JSL>> on.

TF> Use with care. It is annoying if I get a pop-up for each message from
TF> a certain customer. It would be better to use it only when necessary,
TF> for example when sending a reminder.

Well, I was thinking in terms of a receipt confirmation rather than a
read confirmation. Yesterday I was able to configure TB! to request a
receive confirmation and in fact did get one from a message I had
sent. The confirmation text was as follows:

  Your message was successfully delivered to its final destination.
  This is a notification of that fact, as you requested.

  Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  if you feel this message to be in error.

I should point out for the benefit of others on this list that
although I sent more than one email yesterday, I received a receipt
confirmation from only one recipient's server. Coincidentally(?) he
and I use the same server.

My interest in this is mostly a curiosity of TB!'s myriad abilities as
I no longer have a need for confirmations of any sort.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:33:24 AM, Ian A. White wrote:

> So maybe this needs to be clarified.

> What is the situation that prompted this thread?


I think noone with complaints wants us to know. I asked several times,
and still am in the dark.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

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IMPORTANT ONE-TIME MESSAGE!
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Dear MFPA,

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

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IMPORTANT ONE-TIME MESSAGE!
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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

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IMPORTANT ONE-TIME MESSAGE!
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Dear Tim,

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

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Hallo Loek,

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:14:48 +0200GMT (2-10-2008, 13:14 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

LVK> IMPORTANT ONE-TIME MESSAGE!
LVK> BELANGRIJK EENMALIG BERICHT!

I'm afraid you've misconfigured something, you're sending this as reply
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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008 um 05:37 schrieb Dwight Corrin:

>> So maybe this needs to be clarified.

>> What is the situation that prompted this thread?

> I think noone with complaints wants us to know. I asked several times,
> and still am in the dark.

Read my Mail(s) i did explain it once, which is enough as i think.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Dwight Corrin]

On Thursday, October 2, 2008, 3:30:13 PM, Jens Franik wrote:

> Read my Mail(s) i did explain it once, which is enough as i think.


I must have missed that one. I shouldn't have to read them all to find
it, you could have supplied the mid.

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Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

[Jens Franik]

am Freitag, 3. Oktober 2008 um 03:15 schrieb Dwight Corrin:

> I must have missed that one. I shouldn't have to read them all to find
> it, you could have supplied the mid.

All Settings are switched to "send immediately" and "prompt before
action" to send a Reading Confirmation.

It actually happens (at me) that the Confirmations are not sent, they
are queued in the Out box and can only be send manually (not by ALT-F2).

It looks like, the Reading Confirmations are not generated (at the first
sight).

Thats the Problem which i have and some others, but not all.

In my Case, i still use Windows 2000 Sp4, which causes more and more
Problems with other (Beta) Applications. But The Bat! claims to support
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Bug In 1.47 Reading Confirmation

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1)How do I send a Bug Report to Ritlabs?

2) In the Reading Confirmation Template box I have set "Put in Outbox"
and checked "Prompt Before The Action".

3) When I get a reading confirmation request, a box pops up "Create
Reading Confirmation".

4) When I click on yes, I get the following error:

   Access Violation at address 0060951A. Read of address .

5) When I exit The_Bat, I get the following error:

   Access Violation at address 05010101. Read of address 05010101

6) If I uncheck "Prompt Before the Action", then I do NOT get the
error.

7) I am using Windows ME. I do not know why The-Bat shows Windows 98
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Re:problem with reading confirmation setting

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Thomas,

Saturday, February 1, 2003, 2:07:14 PM, you wrote:


> On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:53:37 +0100 GMT (01/02/03, 19:53 +0700 GMT),
> Jurgen Haug wrote:

>> I got a problem with the reading confirmation setting. On one of my
>> accounts, it insists that my NEW mails request a reading confirmation
>> from the recipients.[...] I tried to find it in the account settings

> Did you look here:

> Account / Properties / Templates / New Message - there are two
> checkboxes in the lower right-hand corner.


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Re: Reading Confirmation - Filter Options

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On Thursday, September 20, 2001 at 6:36:31 PM you wrote:

>   Is it possible to use something like a 'wildcard' in the filter
>   string field so that I can send a reading confirmation to all who
>   send me mail? Maybe there's an easy way to do this which, as I
>   normally only use The Bat's! basic functions I have missed!

How about using "e" as signal string located in "Kludges"?

Should do it, since it is virtually impossible "e" not occuring in the
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Re: Reading Confirmation - Filter Options

[Roman]

On Thursday, September 20, 2001, 18:54:10, Dierk Haasis wrote:
>>   Is it possible to use something like a 'wildcard' in the filter
>>   string field so that I can send a reading confirmation to all who
>>   send me mail? Maybe there's an easy way to do this which, as I
>>   normally only use The Bat's! basic functions I have missed!

> How about using "e" as signal string located in "Kludges"?

Use "." as the string and check "regular expressions". "." is the wildcard
in regex. Why you would want to send a reading confirmation though is a
mystery to me. All spam senders will immediately know that the address they
sent mai to os active. Everybody else could get pissed because they usually
assume that the mail they send is read. Think about it this way: you send a
mail to someone just to say "Okay" and you'll get a mail back saying "I
read it". If the other person has a filter installed just like you you'd
end up sending each other "I read it"-mails back and forth. Interesting ;)

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Re: Reading Confirmation - Filter Options

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Roman,

An archeological dig discovered that on Thursday, September 20, 2001
at 20:09 GMT +0200, Roman [R] typed the following:

>> How about using "e" as signal string located in "Kludges"?

R> Use "." as the string and check "regular expressions". "." is the
R> wildcard in regex.

Or use "@" in Sender.  If there isn't an e-mail address any of the
fields searched by "Sender", then you can't reply anyway.

R> If the other person has a filter installed just like you you'd end
R> up sending each other "I read it"-mails back and forth. Interesting
R> ;)

That's why you should change the subject in your reading confirmation.
Then you can make the filter more precise by ignoring messages with
that subject.  If you have the luxury of having many addresses, you
can use one of them as the reply-to for all reading confirmations.
Any mail to that address would *not* get a confirmation.

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Re[2]: Reading Confirmation Bug?

[Gene Gough]

Thanks.

March 11, 2002, 20:09:46, you wrote:

> Hello Gene,

> On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:10:05 -0500GMT (12-3-2002, 0:10 +0100GMT, where
> I live), you wrote:

GG>>   I received a note today with a request for reading confirmation.  I
GG>>   have kept that note in my inbox as a reminder of some action that I
GG>>   have to take.  Now every new note into my inbox causes the attempted
GG>>   send of a reading confirmation of that first note.  I have sent one

> Sounds like your index file might be corrupt.
> See if compress and purge fixes the problem.





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