Sorry about several Duplicate postings: settings problem in TB

2012-09-27 Thread Robert D.

Hello TBUDL,

I believe it has to do something with how I re-map the imap folders to
TB.

Account Properties/ Mail Management/
then Outbox and a pulldown, or write-in, on the right of that.

'For pre-defined mailboxes use these ...
Outbox ... ???

So, on the iMap server, I have 'Sent objects' ; Drafts; Trash; Spam

Inside TB I see  'Outbox'; Sent Mail; Trash

what is the relationship?

As an aside, when I look at the Account Listing of some email accounts I
have, I see a large list of folders both in TB and up on the iMap
server(s).


I just unchecked any settings in the aforementioned Account preferences.
Hopefully this has fixed the problem for the time being.


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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-07-05 Thread MFPA
Hi

On Saturday 4 July 2009 at 10:59:11 PM, in
mid:439697726.20090704225...@privateofcourse.co.uk, Privateofcourse
wrote:



 I'm recieving mail from the list but mail I send isn't
 getting to the list. Of course if this gets to the list
 it'll be luck.

Luck was with you (-:


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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-07-05 Thread Jack S. LaRosa
Hello Privateofcourse,

P Hi,

P This is what you said on Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:36:10 -0400 your time:

  My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired.

 This arrived on the list

P Thanks.

P After more problems I opted to move my domain elsewhere, and not it's hosted
P in a different part of the world to where it was. Unfortunately, I'm still
P having problems.

P I'm recieving mail from the list but mail I send isn't getting to the list.
P Of course if this gets to the list it'll be luck.

P Think I'll have to email Marck.

You might have to go on the web to your  TBUDL mailing list
membership configuration page and enable the Mail delivery option
to get your postings sent to you as well as the rest of the list
members.

Just a thought.
HTH.

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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-07-05 Thread Privateofcourse
Hello Jack,

This is what you said on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:25:52 -0500 your time:

 You might have to go on the web to your  TBUDL mailing list membership
 configuration page and enable the Mail delivery option to get your
 postings sent to you as well as the rest of the list members.

That's already enabled.

I've been receiving mail from the list today; mail I'd sent to the list a
few days ago all suddenly got delivered to the list today and to me. Don't
know why that is, just glad that things seem like they're back to 'normal'.

:-)


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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-07-05 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2009-07-05, Privateofcourse wrote:
 This is what you said on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:25:52 -0500 your time:

 You might have to go on the web to your  TBUDL mailing list membership
 configuration page and enable the Mail delivery option to get your
 postings sent to you as well as the rest of the list members.

 That's already enabled.

 I've been receiving mail from the list today; mail I'd sent to the list a
 few days ago all suddenly got delivered to the list today and to me. Don't
 know why that is, just glad that things seem like they're back to 'normal'.

I was having a problem getting a copy of my messages to this list a month
or so ago when I noticed a further option on the membership configuration
page (at the bottom) labeled: Avoid duplicate copies of messages?

I checked No and the next message that I sent was received from the list.
This may have been a coincidence, but I left the option turned off since it
is much easier for me to delete a duplicate message than to read a missing
one!

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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-07-04 Thread Privateofcourse
Hi,

This is what you said on Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:36:10 -0400 your time:

  My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired.

 This arrived on the list

Thanks.

After more problems I opted to move my domain elsewhere, and not it's hosted
in a different part of the world to where it was. Unfortunately, I'm still
having problems.

I'm recieving mail from the list but mail I send isn't getting to the list.
Of course if this gets to the list it'll be luck.

Think I'll have to email Marck.

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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-06-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Privateofcourse,

Saturday, June 27, 2009, 10:37:34 PM, you wrote:

P  This is a test. List mail has not been reaching me. Checked the TBUDL
P  archive and replies have been made to my posts...but I haven't had them.

P  Started happening a couple of weeks back. TBUDL mailing list membership
P  configuration page shows a bounce level of 1.0.

P  My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired.

Received on-list.

I am sending CC to your PM address, just in case.

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Sorry: a test

2009-06-27 Thread Privateofcourse
Hello TBUDL,

 This is a test. List mail has not been reaching me. Checked the TBUDL
 archive and replies have been made to my posts...but I haven't had them.

 Started happening a couple of weeks back. TBUDL mailing list membership
 configuration page shows a bounce level of 1.0.

 My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired.

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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-06-27 Thread Rick
 Hello TBUDL,

  This is a test. List mail has not been reaching me. Checked the TBUDL
  archive and replies have been made to my posts...but I haven't had them.

  Started happening a couple of weeks back. TBUDL mailing list membership
  configuration page shows a bounce level of 1.0.

  My hosting service reports no problems after I enquired.

This arrived on the list

-- 
Rick
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention 
 of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body;
 But rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out,
 and loudly proclaiming--WOW--What a ride!

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Forgot to trim reply. Sorry. [Was: Re: Common filters]

2007-08-02 Thread MFPA
Hi

On Thursday 2 August 2007 at 8:17:43 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MFPA wrote:


 After you log in, the page has a big box called add note above
 the existing notes.

Sorry, Moderators. I realised after sending that I had not
trimmed.

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Re: Forgot to trim reply. Sorry.

2007-08-02 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
Dear Mfpa,

@2-Aug-2007, 20:25 MFPA [M] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MFPA:

 After you log in, the page has a big box called add note above
 the existing notes.

M Sorry, Moderators. I realised after sending that I had not
M trimmed.

Hey... self trouting! Could this start a trend??

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Re: OT: I am sorry for your loss [Re: Hero is gone]

2006-12-14 Thread Sandy

Mary Bull wrote:

Thank you so much Mary.

Yes, it was an accident to send it to the Bat.

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Re: Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-24 Thread Robin Anson
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 at 21:05:46 +0200, Shahar wrote:
 Still no attachments. I think attachments are not allowed on TBUDL.
 Can you upload them somewhere?


 Sure.
 Editor gonfig:
 http://www.geocities.com/savlist/Editor_config.jpg

 Text:
 http://www.geocities.com/savlist/Wrap.jpg


It is hard to tell what is going on from the limited amount of information
in the Wrap.jpg.

I understand from other emails you have sent about this that it is the text
version, not the html version that shows the problem. Is that correct?

I assume that you have shown part of a forwarded or a replied email, since
we see header fields in the body of the email. Is that correct?

Is this a common problem, or an isolated incident? Do problem messages come
from the same person or different people?

It might be the result of the email client that sent the message, M$ Outlook
does strange things to the text version of html messages. Looking at the
source (Specials - View Source) might show the cause of the problem.

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Re: Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-24 Thread Shahar
Hello Thomas

On 2/23/06, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Shahar,

 On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:05:46 +0200 GMT (23/02/2006, 02:05 +0700 GMT),
 Shahar wrote:

   As can see in the attached files the text in the incoming message is
   shrieked and is not as the sender sent it.
   My editor configuration is attached in the second file.
 
  Still no attachments. I think attachments are not allowed on TBUDL.
  Can you upload them somewhere?

 S Sure.

 Thanks. I'm at a loss, though. Maybe someone else can help.


Problem solved.
I uninstalled and reinstalled.
Work like a $1000K :-)

Thank you.

Shahar.


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Re: Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-24 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Shahar,

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:33:03 +0200 GMT (24/02/2006, 00:33 +0700 GMT),
Shahar wrote:

 Thanks. I'm at a loss, though. Maybe someone else can help.

S Problem solved.
S I uninstalled and reinstalled.
S Work like a $1000K :-)

S Thank you.

Don't thank me - but I'm glad the problem is solved.

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disposal probably eats better than thirty percent of the people in
this world.
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Re: Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-23 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Shahar,

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:05:46 +0200 GMT (23/02/2006, 02:05 +0700 GMT),
Shahar wrote:

  As can see in the attached files the text in the incoming message is
  shrieked and is not as the sender sent it.
  My editor configuration is attached in the second file.

 Still no attachments. I think attachments are not allowed on TBUDL.
 Can you upload them somewhere?

S Sure.

Thanks. I'm at a loss, though. Maybe someone else can help.

-- 

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Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-22 Thread Shahar
On 2/22/06, Shahar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all.
 I have a problem.
 I'm using ver 3.0.1.33 on Win Xp home SP2

 As can see in the attached files the text in the incoming message is
 shrieked and is not as the sender sent it.
 My editor configuration is attached in the second file.

 Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Shahar,

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:02:50 +0200 GMT (22/02/2006, 22:02 +0700 GMT),
Shahar wrote:

 As can see in the attached files the text in the incoming message is
 shrieked and is not as the sender sent it.
 My editor configuration is attached in the second file.

Still no attachments. I think attachments are not allowed on TBUDL.
Can you upload them somewhere?

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Re: Ooops - the files. Sorry (Re: Wrap text problem ?)

2006-02-22 Thread Shahar
Hello Thomas. Great to see you here as well.

On 2/22/06, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Shahar,

 On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:02:50 +0200 GMT (22/02/2006, 22:02 +0700 GMT),
 Shahar wrote:

  As can see in the attached files the text in the incoming message is
  shrieked and is not as the sender sent it.
  My editor configuration is attached in the second file.

 Still no attachments. I think attachments are not allowed on TBUDL.
 Can you upload them somewhere?


Sure.
Editor gonfig:
http://www.geocities.com/savlist/Editor_config.jpg

Text:
http://www.geocities.com/savlist/Wrap.jpg

TIA.

Shahar.
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Re: Test - sorry

2005-03-30 Thread Nick Dutton
Hello Mica,

MM For me one jar of black, and one jar of green olives, for a snack, and a
MM small bottle of olive oil, for sipping. Thank you! (-:

Sorry - no can do. These form the bulk of my strategic snack-cache, in
readiness for when the skies darken as the forces of evil take to the
air...

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Re: Test - sorry

2005-03-30 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Nick Dutton  everyone else,

on 30-Mrz-2005 at 11:08 you (Nick Dutton) wrote:

MM For me one jar of black, and one jar of green olives, for a snack, and
MM a small bottle of olive oil, for sipping. Thank you! (-:

 Sorry - no can do. These form the bulk of my strategic snack-cache, in
 readiness for when the skies darken as the forces of evil take to the
 air...

You intend shooting TB beta versions with olives? Interesting strategy...

:-D

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Re: Test - sorry

2005-03-30 Thread Mica Mijatovic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 30 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 12:47:32 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

MM For me one jar of black, and one jar of green olives, for a snack, and
MM a small bottle of olive oil, for sipping. Thank you! (-:

 Sorry - no can do. These form the bulk of my strategic snack-cache, in
 readiness for when the skies darken as the forces of evil take to the
 air...

 You intend shooting TB beta versions with olives? Interesting strategy...

Might be he has in mind olive pits/stones. They can make a pretty fine
damage getting acceleration. (-:

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Test - sorry

2005-03-29 Thread Nick Dutton
Like it says in the subject - Sorry.

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Re: Test - sorry

2005-03-29 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Nick Dutton  everyone else,

on 29-Mrz-2005 at 12:59 you (Nick Dutton) wrote:

 Like it says in the subject - Sorry.

This can't be toleranted. Either you send every list member a bottle of
beer right now (for those that don't want beer, a bar of chocolate), or
each list member will send you a private test mail.

Deal? :-)

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Re: Test - sorry

2005-03-29 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 29 Mar 2005,
   @  @  at 17:59:09 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 Hello Nick Dutton  everyone else,

 on 29-Mrz-2005 at 12:59 you (Nick Dutton) wrote:

 Like it says in the subject - Sorry.

 This can't be toleranted. Either you send every list member a bottle of
 beer right now (for those that don't want beer, a bar of chocolate), or
 each list member will send you a private test mail.

 Deal? :-)

Deal! Deal! I have charged my mass mailer already. And am caressing the
trigger.

For me one jar of black, and one jar of green olives, for a snack, and a
small bottle of olive oil, for sipping. Thank you! (-:

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Sorry...correction about filter

2004-09-17 Thread Mean Drake
Sorry...I checked my inbox again and found that the large mail of 3.7
MB had been downloaded and was lying in my inbox. So the filter did
not work at all.

Filter is setup as:

Message size Greater than 800KB
Action Delete Message from server, and play a sound

I got the sound and still the message is in my inbox...not deleted
from server.

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Re: Sorry...correction about filter

2004-09-17 Thread Joe
Hello Mean,
--
Friday, September 17, 2004, 3:28:39 PM, you wrote:

 Sorry...I checked my inbox again and found that the large mail of 3.7
 MB had been downloaded and was lying in my inbox. So the filter did
 not work at all.

 Filter is setup as:

 Message size Greater than 800KB
 Action Delete Message from server, and play a sound

 I got the sound and still the message is in my inbox...not deleted
 from server.


 Is the filter under Selective Download???
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Re[2]: Sorry...correction about filter

2004-09-17 Thread Mean Drake
Saturday, September 18, 2004, 1:18:08 AM, you wrote:

 Hello Mean,
 --
 Friday, September 17, 2004, 3:28:39 PM, you wrote:

 Sorry...I checked my inbox again and found that the large mail of 3.7
 MB had been downloaded and was lying in my inbox. So the filter did
 not work at all.

 Filter is setup as:

 Message size Greater than 800KB
 Action Delete Message from server, and play a sound

 I got the sound and still the message is in my inbox...not deleted
 from server.


  Is the filter under Selective Download???

No its under incoming messages. Should it be under selective
download...I think I see the Point. I'll keep it under there.

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NFS test. Please disregard and sorry to bother

2004-09-03 Thread MAU
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Sorry folks - trying again for the rogueicon

2004-07-28 Thread Peter Ballantyne
Test message



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Re: Sorry folks - trying again for the rogueicon

2004-07-28 Thread Zonnet

ON Wednesday, July 28, 2004, 11:44:23 AM, you wrote:
PB Test message


PB 
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Hi Peter,

We can see you now :-)

But as you can see, you need a signature delimiter quick before the trouts
start flying.


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Sorry, you have some errors ???

2004-07-17 Thread Bill McCarthy
Hello TB User Discussion List,

I'm no longer able to define new shortcuts.  If I open the shortcut
list (Alt-F12) and click on OK, I get Sorry, you have some errors.

If I click on Conflicts, I can see I have none.  For Warnings, I have
plenty - but that's normal.

Is there any way I can see what's giving TB! this problem.

One other question.  Is there a way to save the shortcut list to a
text file?

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Re: Sorry, you have some errors ???

2004-07-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Bill,

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 17:10:54 -0500GMT (18-7-2004, 0:10 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

BM One other question.  Is there a way to save the shortcut list to a
BM text file?

Not that I'm aware of. The shortcuts file is saved as shortcut.cfg
(IIRC?), but that's not really readable by text oriented people.

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Re: Sorry, you have some errors ???

2004-07-17 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Sat 17-Jul-04 5:10pm -0400, Bill McCarthy wrote:

 I'm no longer able to define new shortcuts.  If I open the shortcut
 list (Alt-F12) and click on OK, I get Sorry, you have some errors.

That's solved. I found that I kept a SmartBat note of every shortcut
I've added.  Refilter was Shirt-Ctrl-R.  That is now a conflict.  I
changed the shortcut to Alt-R and no longer get the less than
helpful error message.

While I'm complaining g, TB! created conflicts (showing up as
warnings) should not be visible - these aren't actual problems.

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Sorry guys (was Re: 1 Text file attached as per TBUDL)

2003-10-25 Thread Anne
On Saturday, October 25, 2003, 4:58:22 AM, Pixie wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
P Sorry mods, didn't realize the reply-to was for the list until too
P late..


Ooops entirely my fault Pixie and Mods... for some reason there
was a wayward folder reply to still set on the folder I sent to
Pixie from... removed it now and slapped my hand for missing it!

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I'm sorry for the dupes...

2003-02-18 Thread Markus Varpula
Hello TBUDL,

  Something happened with my ISP's smtp server.. it did send the
  mail, but told me that it didn't.

  Again, I'm sorry..

//Markus
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Digest command ... oops, sorry, wrong address

2003-01-23 Thread Homesick Mac
2003-01-24 , 00:09 ,

Sorry  folks, instead of to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've sent this
to the list :-

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Sorry for the OT but ....

2002-11-03 Thread DG Raftery Sr.
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Sunday, November 03, 2002
8:17:31 AM
RE: Sorry for the OT but 


Greetings,

All of a sudden I am receiving nothing from TBOT. Anyone else
experiencing this problem?

Sorry Mr./Mrs. Moderators however I can't post to TBOT to ask this
question.

- --
Regards,
 DG Raftery Sr.

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Re: Sorry for the OT but ....

2002-11-03 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi DG,

on Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:19:56 -0500GMT (03.11.02, 14:19 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:145772801.20021103081956;myrealbox.com :

DRS All of a sudden I am receiving nothing from TBOT. Anyone else
DRS experiencing this problem?

DRS Sorry Mr./Mrs. Moderators however I can't post to TBOT to ask this
DRS question.

The last message I received on TBOT was created yesterday, 16:37 GMT. Were
there any later postings? What happens when you try to post to TBOT?

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Re: Sorry for the OT but ....

2002-11-03 Thread Allie C Martin
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In mid:145772801.20021103081956;myrealbox.com,
Dg Raftery Sr. [DRS] wrote:'

DRS All of a sudden I am receiving nothing from TBOT. Anyone else
DRS experiencing this problem?

DRS Sorry Mr./Mrs. Moderators however I can't post to TBOT to ask
DRS this question.

A bounce may have been placed on your e-mail address.

If you are a yahoo member, then you could look at your bounce
history by logging into your yahoogroups preferences
http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs and clicking the bounce history
link for your subscription address.

If you're not a yahoo member, then send me your subscription address
off-list and let me see what I can find out about your subscription.
CC the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in case I'm away when you send your
message.

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Re: Sorry for the OT but ....

2002-11-03 Thread Andre Wichartz
On Sunday, November 3, 2002, 08:19:56 -0500 GMT (which was 14:19 local
time), DG Raftery Sr. wrote:

DRS All of a sudden I am receiving nothing from TBOT. Anyone else
DRS experiencing this problem?

The last message I received from tbot is dated Sun, 3 Nov 2002
03:03:59 +0700.

DRS Sorry Mr./Mrs. Moderators however I can't post to TBOT to ask this
DRS question.

Why can't you post to tbot? If you're subscribed you should also be
able to post..

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Re[2]: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-03 Thread David R. Austen
Hello, Thomas:

Thank you very much. Your instructions were very clear -- and I broke
new ground today creating a special TBUDL Reply template that guards
against inadvertent top-posting.

Here it is, from TBUDL in my address book:


Hello, %OFromFName:

Best regards,

%FromFName


Best wishes,

David



Sunday, November 03, 2002, 12:58:40 AM, you wrote:
TF Hello David,

TF On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:30:20 -0500 GMT (02/11/02, 19:30 +0700 GMT),
TF David R. Austen wrote:

 This suggests I might want to create a special procedure for all
 replies to messages on this list.

TF If you do not use any special AB templates (and do not create folder
TF templates, which should be used in special circumstandes only), TB
TF will use the account templates. These contain the cut mark (a.k.a.
TF signature delimiter) already, so you don't really need to do anything
TF if you don't want to.

 Please, where do I start?

TF What I did, I created an addressbook entry for this list.

TF Addressbook icon / Create a new contact icon.

TF I filled in only two fields on the first tab:
TF Display name as: TBUDL
TF Email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

TF (no quote marks, in both cases).

TF This is how you create a new entry. Now you want to create a special
TF template for replying to this list. You go to the Reply tab (still in
TF the addressbook), click opn [x] Use a specific and put your
TF template in there. It is blank now, so to start with, you can cp your
TF account template into it.

TF The account's reply template you'll find under Account / Properties /
TF Templates (click on the +) / Reply.

 (I know. This is a Bat101 question of course. I should know better.
 Just a couple of quick hints on strategy, please.)

TF The above should give you an idea. This is list is Bat101. Please
TF advise if you have further questions.





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Re: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-03 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello David!

On Sunday, November 3, 2002 at 5:39:09 PM you wrote:

the template below

Let`s refine that a little bit ((comments in double breaks)):

 Hello, %OFromFName:
  ((^ Why that?))

%QUOTES ((that puts the message you reply to in your reply))

%CURSOR ((putting you one line beneath the quoted material))
((don`t forget to manually edit the citation))

-- ((this is two dashes then a space followed by a Return))
 Best regards,

 %FromFName





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Re[2]: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-03 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Dierk,

Sunday, November 3, 2002, 10:52:24 AM, you wrote:

DH Hello David!

DH the template below

DH Let`s refine that a little bit ((comments in double breaks)):

 Hello, %OFromFName:
DH   ((^ Why that?))

DH %QUOTES ((that puts the message you reply to in your reply))

DH %CURSOR ((putting you one line beneath the quoted material))
DH ((don`t forget to manually edit the citation))

DH -- ((this is two dashes then a space followed by a Return))
 Best regards,

 %FromFName


This is a big help to me, too, Dierk. And so much more concisely done
than my long Reply post to David. Which really didn't give him much
help--just told him he needed it, I guess. :)  And so did I. Thanks.

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Re: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-03 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
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Hi Mary,

3-Nov-2002, 12:38 -0600 (18:38 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in
mid:16337465292.20021103123801;premiernet.net said:

MB This is a big help to me, too, Dierk. And so much more concisely
MB done than my long Reply post to David. Which really didn't give
MB him much help--just told him he needed it, I guess. :)  And so
MB did I. Thanks.

Here's another tip (and your cut mark works beautifully BTW)...

 Best regards,
 Marymailto:xxx

I recommend that you remove the mailto link for all public postings.
When postings are archived, your email address becomes exposed on
web sites, making you easy prey for address harvest robots and
increasing the amount of spam you get.

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Re[2]: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-03 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Marck,

Sunday, November 3, 2002, 5:16:48 PM, you wrote:

MDP Here's another tip (and your cut mark works beautifully BTW)...

Thanks.

 Best regards,
 Marymailto:xxx

MDP I recommend that you remove the mailto link for all public postings.
MDP When postings are archived, your email address becomes exposed on
MDP web sites, making you easy prey for address harvest robots and
MDP increasing the amount of spam you get.

Oh, thank you, Marck. I got so involved in being a programmer vbg
that I didn't even notice that. When I was patiently deleting all that
trash manually, I did take it out. I don't need another bout with
the harvesters. Changed my address last June I was getting so much
spam. Knew better. Will go and sin no more, and hope I don't get
caught with any bad consequences. :)

Cheers from long-winded, inattentive Mary, and

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Re[2]: Sorry for the OT but ....

2002-11-03 Thread Barry2
Hello Andre,

Sunday, November 3, 2002, 1:46:19 PM, you wrote:

AW Why can't you post to tbot? If you're subscribed you should also be
AW able to post..

Maybe he means it's possible to post but since he doesn't get mail
from TBOT he doesn't know if it gets there ??

Hopefully Allie will be able to sort it out :-)

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Re[3]: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-02 Thread David R. Austen
Friday, November 01, 2002, 7:07:06 PM, you wrote:

TM The one you want to watch out for is the 'Cut' mark. I think that is
TM part of the list rules... :-]

(snip)

Hello, all:


This suggests I might want to create a special procedure for all
replies to messages on this list.

Please, where do I start?


(I know. This is a Bat101 question of course. I should know better.
Just a couple of quick hints on strategy, please.)


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Re[4]: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-02 Thread Mary Bull
Hello David,

Saturday, November 2, 2002, 6:30:20 AM, you wrote:

TM The one you want to watch out for is the 'Cut' mark. I think that is
TM part of the list rules... :-]

DRA (snip)

DRA This suggests I might want to create a special procedure for all
DRA replies to messages on this list.

DRA Please, where do I start?

Very good question. Answers will soon be forthcoming.

DRA (I know. This is a Bat101 question of course. I should know better.
DRA Just a couple of quick hints on strategy, please.)

David, you are in the right place to get this question answered. I'm
pretty new to TB and tbudl myself, so I will wait for one of the others
to tell you.

While you're waiting, go to http://www.donzeigler.com/phpbb2

It's a message board. Some of the more knowledgeable members of tbudl
(this present mailing list) have put up a few ideas on getting
started with The Bat! and you could also place this query on strategy
for tbudl. It's a learning curve, I know. Was for me. Still is. :)

DRA Grovelling,

MRB: Trying to help, at least a little bit. (And recruiting for the
message board. :) )

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Re: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello David,

On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:30:20 -0500 GMT (02/11/02, 19:30 +0700 GMT),
David R. Austen wrote:

 This suggests I might want to create a special procedure for all
 replies to messages on this list.

If you do not use any special AB templates (and do not create folder
templates, which should be used in special circumstandes only), TB
will use the account templates. These contain the cut mark (a.k.a.
signature delimiter) already, so you don't really need to do anything
if you don't want to.

 Please, where do I start?

What I did, I created an addressbook entry for this list.

Addressbook icon / Create a new contact icon.

I filled in only two fields on the first tab:
Display name as: TBUDL
Email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

(no quote marks, in both cases).

This is how you create a new entry. Now you want to create a special
template for replying to this list. You go to the Reply tab (still in
the addressbook), click opn [x] Use a specific and put your
template in there. It is blank now, so to start with, you can cp your
account template into it.

The account's reply template you'll find under Account / Properties /
Templates (click on the +) / Reply.

 (I know. This is a Bat101 question of course. I should know better.
 Just a couple of quick hints on strategy, please.)

The above should give you an idea. This is list is Bat101. Please
advise if you have further questions.

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Re: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-01 Thread Tim Musson
Hey Vishal,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write mid:15311707113.20021031184640;myrealbox.com
on Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 9:46:40 PM.

8 snip

MAU No dessert for you tonight! ;-)

VN I know. I'm badd :) find me a hole so i can lie down and die
VN in it.

VN -vishal


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The one you want to watch out for is the 'Cut' mark. I think that is
part of the list rules... :-]

,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a Cut Mark]
| This is a special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of
| two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line.
| 
| NewLinedashdashspaceNewLine
| 
| This cut mark is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a
| cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of
| your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is
| removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that
| includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark
| from the text you quote.
`- [see FAQ @ www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#newmess]

Reply to my message and notice everything below this sentence is gone
in your reply...

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Re[2]: sorry about the top-post

2002-11-01 Thread Vishal Nakra

TM The one you want to watch out for is the 'Cut' mark. I think that is
TM part of the list rules... :-]

TM ,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a Cut Mark]
TM | This is a special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of
TM | two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line.
TM | 
TM | NewLinedashdashspaceNewLine
TM | 
TM | This cut mark is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a
TM | cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of
TM | your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is
TM | removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that
TM | includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark
TM | from the text you quote.
TM `- [see FAQ  www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#newmess]

TM Reply to my message and notice everything below this sentence is gone
TM in your reply...

Thanks. I didn't know about this, but it's useful to know even though
I don't have a signature.

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sorry about the top-post

2002-10-31 Thread Vishal Nakra
I mistakenly top-posted while replying to someone today. Sorry
moderators!

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Re: sorry about the top-post

2002-10-31 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Vishal,

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:12:41 -0800GMT (1-11-02, 3:12 +0100GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

VN I mistakenly top-posted while replying to someone today.

Yeah. And though I edited my reply, I forgot to complain about it. ;-)


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Re: sorry about the top-post

2002-10-31 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Vishal,

 I mistakenly top-posted while replying to someone today.

Oh my goodness! How could you do something like that! Aren't you
ashamed of yourself?

No dessert for you tonight! ;-)

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Re[2]: sorry about the top-post

2002-10-31 Thread Vishal Nakra


Thursday, October 31, 2002, 3:37:05 PM, you wrote:

MAU Hello Vishal,

 I mistakenly top-posted while replying to someone today.

MAU Oh my goodness! How could you do something like that! Aren't you
MAU ashamed of yourself?

MAU No dessert for you tonight! ;-)

I know. I'm badd :) find me a hole so i can lie down and die
in it.

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Newbie questions......sorry!!

2002-07-03 Thread pOoTer

Hi All,
Just joined the list and just started using this awesome mail client after
'sacking' Outlook 2000.
I have two newbie questions if you could oblige me

1. I am using Kaspersky AV v4.0.5 with the Bat! plug-in and have set up a template
to send to people who infect me, trouble is it does not seem to trigger, any
ideas what I am doing wrong please?

The template I am using is the one in 'Options, Virus Protection'

2. Can The Bat! compose HTML emails and if so where is the option because I
can't find it?

Thanks in advance, I did try and find answers on the FAQ but didn't manage
to turn anything useful up.

Regards,
pOoTer

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Re: Newbie questions......sorry!!

2002-07-03 Thread Jonathan Angliss

Hi pOoTer,
On Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:32:12 +0100, you wrote:

 1. I am using Kaspersky AV v4.0.5 with the Bat! plug-in and have set up a
 template to send to people who infect me, trouble is it does not seem to
 trigger, any ideas what I am doing wrong please?
 
 The template I am using is the one in 'Options, Virus Protection'

As a small point, although it is kind of you to notify the infected person of
the virus, in more recent cases, the sender (From field) is not who they claim
to be.  Take Klez for example, it spoofs the from field based on addresses in
the infected users address book, along with things it finds in the internet
history.


 2. Can The Bat! compose HTML emails and if so where is the option because I
 can't find it?

No, although there are rumours of it being put into version 2.

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OT testing. please ignore. sorry.

2002-06-24 Thread Rick Reumann



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Sorry

2002-06-12 Thread Frank D. Hubeny

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Hello tbudl,

Sorry about the lack of trim in my last message.  I really am working on
this problem!

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Best regards,

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Sorry, just a test!!

2002-06-03 Thread Dirk Dörr

Hi tbudl,




Kind regards
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A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-05-11 Thread Daniel Maier


 TB uses two standard threading headers to maintain thread integrity;
 References and In-Reply-To. Some clients use one or t'other. Some
 clients don't use *any*. Messages from the latter group of clients
 will always break a thread.

Hallo Marck,

just saw your message in TBDUL and wanted to inform you that OL doesn't
break threads.

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Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-05-05 Thread Mike Smith

At Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 4:44:30 AM, Marck wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hi Daniel,

 @30 April 2002, 14:32:20 -0400 (19:32 UK time) Daniel Grunberg wrote
 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I'm sorry, I thought I was sending the message from my Opera
  folder.

 That can mean only one thing: You're relying on folder templates.
 That's a no-no!

 stock lecture
 I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. In
 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They
 are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly.

Have you tried reasoning with them?  A blunt object often persuades:)

I must admit I use folder templates a lot.  I'm crazy about them.

 There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that
 can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates.
 There are dangers in using Folder Templates that are not there when
 you use AB templates.

I wasn't even *aware* you could do AB templates!  Cool!

 The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in
 templates which use the %TO= macro. If, at the instant you start a
 new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message
 gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto
 without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to
 excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail.

I can imagine.  IIRC, I only have 2 that have %TO, and they are
'experimental' (an unsuccessful experiment so far  :(

 BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct
 %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any
 pre-existing addresses are retained.

Test test test.  Before you mail.

 Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to
 something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or
 I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for
 me.

 Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this
 message yet again.

 It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw.
 The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make
 sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended.

I've never done that.  ANd I've been mailing a long time.  But I will
be looking hard at AB templates.

 With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind.
 Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are a bit trickier.
 Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you
 have to click to the right of the new message button and select the
 list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is*
 a favourite in the address book).
 /stock lecture

Hmmm.  Is there an explanation for why this seems to be the only list
where threading (mostly) works?  I've tried turning it on on other
list folders and its a disaster.

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Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-05-05 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Sun, 5 May 2002, Mike Smith wrote:

 Hmmm.  Is there an explanation for why this seems to be the only list
 where threading (mostly) works?  I've tried turning it on on other
 list folders and its a disaster.


Could be possibly related to headers that TB! puts into the email, or
something related to that.  As we're all (I'm assuming, except me right
now) use TB! for mailing here, everything is done the same (header
wise)... so chances are, it'll thread properly.  I'd have to look into
that to verify though.  I don't personally use threading on most emails,
but might try it on this list.

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Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-05-05 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Mike,

@05 May 2002, 20:54:31 +1000 (11:54 UK time) Mike Smith wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hmmm.  Is there an explanation for why this seems to be the only
 list where threading (mostly) works?  I've tried turning it on on
 other list folders and its a disaster.

TB uses two standard threading headers to maintain thread integrity;
References and In-Reply-To. Some clients use one or t'other. Some
clients don't use *any*. Messages from the latter group of clients
will always break a thread.

You could try threading by Subject instead of by Reference, but that
way you get no depth.

Forte Agent employs a deeper hybrid threading trick to circumvent
this, making it appear more effective. It does a combined by Reference
and by Subject threading which attempts to slot in the messages which
don't have the proper References header.

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Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-05-05 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Sunday, May 05, 2002, at 4:59:57 AM PST, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

 I don't personally use threading on most emails, but might try it on
 this list.

Eek! Threading - especially with the variety of threading options
provided by TB! - is one of the really great things about this great
email client!

I thread message lists *and* regular inbox/sent folders (using an
appropriate threading option for each folder.

TB! has one of the better threading/message list display features I've
seen in an email client, so I do recommend you give it a try with your
various folders/lists - just to see what's possible. You may find that
you'll become dependent on what it can do to help you rationalize (in
both context and efficiency) your email reading.

Melissa
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sorry: *ignore* my previous mail about s/mime!!

2002-05-01 Thread Haico

Hi,

I don't know if my previous mail comes through..
I haven't seen it yet.. but maybe the connection isn't good
right now.. Or I used a wrong address.

What I said in that mail is not true. :-(

Excuse me/ignore
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Re: [Opera-users] A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-04-30 Thread Daniel Grunberg

Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:50:52[GMT +0100]   (10:50 AM EDST) Clive Taylor
wrote:

 30 April 2002, 14:35, you wrote:

DG ere is my reply to a message sent to me by an Online Team Leader at
DG First Union Online.  (I sent a copy of the message to Sue, before I
DG sent it to TBUDL.)


DG  QUOTE 

 I share your frustration with some sites not allowing Opera to browse
 them but what has this to do with TB, exactly?  Wrong mailing list,
 perhaps?

 I'm sorry, I thought I was sending the message from my Opera folder.






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Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-04-30 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Daniel,

@30 April 2002, 14:32:20 -0400 (19:32 UK time) Daniel Grunberg wrote
in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I'm sorry, I thought I was sending the message from my Opera
  folder.

That can mean only one thing: You're relying on folder templates.
That's a no-no!

stock lecture
I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. In
150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They
are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly.

There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that
can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates.
There are dangers in using Folder Templates that are not there when
you use AB templates.

The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in
templates which use the %TO= macro. If, at the instant you start a
new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message
gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto
without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to
excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail.

BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct
%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any
pre-existing addresses are retained.

Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to
something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or
I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for
me.

Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this
message yet again.

It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw.
The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make
sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended.

With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind.
Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are a bit trickier.
Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you
have to click to the right of the new message button and select the
list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is*
a favourite in the address book).
/stock lecture

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Re: A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---

2002-04-30 Thread Eddie Castelli

Good morning Marck,

 --- Marck D Pearlstone / Thursday, 30.04.2002, 20:44:30
A problem using Opera at First Union Online -- I'm sorry ---


 ...
 Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception
 to something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh
 or I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong
 for me.

I agree - I've done it all the time too and it never went wrong
(almost *gg*) ;-))


 BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct
   %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any
   pre-existing addresses are retained.

I don't get this point Mark. Do you mean you should not use the
%TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macro in your Templates? Could you please
explain! 


 Here's a fact for you: it goes wrong. That's why I'm writing this
 message yet again.

Murphy's Law is always right!


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Bugs and fixes - sorry if you received it twice

2002-04-24 Thread Vlad

I've mentioned some strange behaviors of the v.1.61c

1) When you write new message and attach a file, this file is copied
to Attach folder. This is bad, baut even worse because

2) when you delete a message with attachments, these attachments are
not deleted from the attach folder. (even after emptying trash
folder)

Earlier versions did delete attachments of deleted files and it was
right behavior

3) concerning the bug fixed since v.1.53

In what's new section is written:
- Big message notifications were received many times (introduced in 1.52)

This is not a bug! 1.52 marks not downloaded messages as unread, and
this is correct. Imagine that you have keep messages for couple days on,
and there are 100 messages on your server. Most of them already are
downloaded.

Now, a large message arrives. Bat! gives you notification about
arriving of large message. If this large message was not marked as
read, you just press Ctrl-F2 and download this message (like it is in
v.1.52).

But now the only way to download this large message is to press
Shift-Ctrl-F2 and retrieve headers of ALL 101 messages that are on server.
This, firstly, take a long time if you have many messages left on
server, and, secondly, you have to find messages that are nor actually
downloaded, because all of them are marked as read.

So I suggest developers to move back to handling large messages as it
was in v.1.52



Using v.1.52f under W2000

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Re: Bugs and fixes - sorry if you received it twice

2002-04-24 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Vlad!

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002 at 11:18:53 AM you wrote:

 1) When you write new message and attach a file, this file is copied
 to Attach folder. This is bad, baut even worse because

Have a look under Account/Properties/Files  Directories ...

Most people here seem to leave attachments in the message body,
although I prefer a separate directory.

Be advised to *not* use the Bind attachments while sending together
with Delete attachment when message is deleted from Trash as then
you'll lose files.

Bind ... will not put a copy of the file attached into the Attach
folder, it will use the original. and that would be deleted by the
other feature.

 2) when you delete a message with attachments, these attachments are
 not deleted from the attach folder. (even after emptying trash
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Confirmed.




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Re: Bugs and fixes - sorry if you received it twice

2002-04-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote:
...
DH Be advised to *not* use the Bind attachments while sending
DH together with Delete attachment when message is deleted from
DH Trash as then you'll lose files.

Wow! I would count that as a show-stopper problem. :-( The possibility
of TB!'s configuration making the user lose files should really be
rectified.

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Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new thread)

2002-03-24 Thread Melissa Rese

Hello,

This test is in regards to the Peculiar HTML display (v1.60) thread
I started.  I'm sending this message from Becky email client.

I'm not going to sign this mesasge, so that I can see if the message
below (the one that showed up with all of the message missing except
for the first two lines of the PGP signature header).  I'm not quite
sure what will happen here - or why - but I have to try and narrow
this down a bit.

Thanks for being patient with me.

Melissa

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ÿþ

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Re: Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new thread)

2002-03-24 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 12:09:08 PM PST, Melissa Rese wrote:

 The original mystery test message to myself:


 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

Okay... the plot thickens...

I sent that message from Becky, and again, all of the message below
the...

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

... is missing - when looking at it in both TB! and Becky. ack! What's
happening here?

I'm not using the RTV in TB!, but that doesn't really matter, as the
same display problem is happening in Becky.

I need to get outside and get away from this silly machine for a
while.  If anyone can come up with some ideas, I'll be happy to hear
them.  :-)

Thanks!

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Re: Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new thread)

2002-03-24 Thread Melissa Reese

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On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 12:31:07 PM PST, Walt Newcomb wrote:

MR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MR Hash: SHA1

MR ÿþ

 Except for the List trailer this is everything that arrive at this
 end.

This is becoming *very* interesting (albeit frustrating as well).

In the message that came back to me, the two peculiar characters
were missing completely - but I see that you got them (with the rest
of the message still missing for you too).

(I guess we'll see if what I've quoted from your message shows up
properly when I get it back)

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Re: Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new thread)

2002-03-24 Thread Walt Newcomb

Hello Melissa

Sunday, March 24, 2002, 1:09:08 PM, you wrote:
MR Hello,

MR This test is in regards to the Peculiar HTML display (v1.60) thread
MR I started.  I'm sending this message from Becky email client.

MR I'm not going to sign this mesasge, so that I can see if the message
MR below (the one that showed up with all of the message missing except
MR for the first two lines of the PGP signature header).  I'm not quite
MR sure what will happen here - or why - but I have to try and narrow
MR this down a bit.

MR Thanks for being patient with me.

MR Melissa

MR The original mystery test message to myself:


MR -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MR Hash: SHA1

MR ÿþ

Except for the List trailer this is everything that arrive at this
end.

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Re: Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new thread)

2002-03-24 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Melissa,

On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 12:46:54 PM -0700, you wrote
the following in regards to Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new 
thread):

 In the message that came back to me, the two peculiar characters were
 missing completely - but I see that you got them (with the rest of the
 message still missing for you too).

 (I guess we'll see if what I've quoted from your message shows up
 properly when I get it back)

I've received all your messages Melissa, intact, and with good signatures.
I've used both Becky 2.0.0.10 and TB 1.60 and in each case there are no
irregularities. Strange happenings on your end for sure. One thing I do
note is that occasionally I see you using:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

and when that happens, I see funny characters at the bottom of my personal
signature when I try to PGP sign my message to the List. Seems TB inherits
the character set of the Senders message when creating a reply.

I think you are right... time to get outside for a while, which is exactly
where I am headed. ;o)


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Re: Testing message sent from Becky (sorry for the new thread)

2002-03-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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@ 13:54:29 -0800 [ Sun, 24 Mar 2002], Nick Andriash [NA] contributed
this to our collective wisdom:
...
NA Seems TB inherits the character set of the Senders message when
NA creating a reply.

Yes, this is what it does unless you over ride this with a template
macro or setting.

If you're using a font with limited character support then this can be
a hindrance since your reply font changes to Courier New and you're
wondering what's up.

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Re: Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]

2001-09-16 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

Hello Syafril Hermansyah,

On  Sun,  16 Sep 2001 at 00:45:59 GMT +0700 (which was 9/16/2001 12:45
AM where you think I live) you told to the list :

[ oh my God, why another portion comes to the list...

I am sorry to moderators and all list, I meant only this portion goes
to the list ...]

 Since  lastweek,  thebat.dutaint.com domain has one backup from German
 Name  Server  (DNSServer).  Since  routing  problem  and  sudden burst
 traffic  sometimes  ago  in  my  country,  I think we need backup Name
 Server  so  thebat.dutaint.com  domain more easy to resolve around the
 world.  Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] kindly help us
 to do this (Thanks Pit). With Peter's Server, I hope Europe and Africa
 more easy to reach this list.

 Intermittent  Internet traffic in US after NY Attack remind me that we
 also  need  NS  backup in US region. Anyone who has run own Name (DNS)
 server, live in West US and kind to help, please contact me off list.




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Re: Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]

2001-09-16 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

Hello Dierk Haasis,

On  Sat, 15 Sep 2001 at 21:28:10 GMT +0200 (which was 9/16/2001
2:28 AM where you think I live) you told to the list :

 Or was it another instance of a folder template gone bad?

No,  not  Folder Template (I am not using Folder Template on my TB! at
home,  I  am  using  Quick Template only and there are no %TO=...macro
there,  just  greetings  and signature because this QT is use for most
English List).

This  is  comes  from  Address History problem, it's happen 3 times in
this week for me:-(
Also problem in Clipboard
I was composing 4 message, switch from one editor to others, cut and
paste some words and addresses from some folders.
When I send those messages, already early morning here, so I am not
making recheck all of TO: and CC: addresses.

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Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]

2001-09-15 Thread Syafril Hermansyah

Hello Leif Gregory,

On  Sun, 9 Sep 2001 at 16:52:35 GMT -0400 (which was 9/15/2001 3:52 AM
where you think I live) you told to the list :

 Don't worry, they're still asleep. That's why I call us here in
 Asia the night shift. ;-)

SH LOL :-)
SH How did you know Leif still not coming back to Japan ?

 grin  That  may  still be a possibility. If I can't find the right
 job  here  in the U.S. then we may go back to Tokyo. Then we'll have
 worldwide coverage for moderation.. ;-)

I pray and believe that you will stay on US :-)
That means we will miss Moderators in Asia Time Zone.

I would like to recommend one person from Asia to be Moderators, and I
vote for Thomas Fernandez from Taiwan.

As  you Leif, Thomas speak multi language, AFAIK you speak Russian (of
course),  Japan  and  Poland  (correct  me if I am wrong) while Thomas
speak  German,  France,  Dutch,  Spanish,  Thai and a little of China,
Vietnam and Melayu (Bahasa Indonesia)...amazing how has he learn about
this  ^_-,  give  hime  more  1-2  year  then  he can speak China more
fluently, even Japanese and Korean :-)

Thomas  speak/write  in simple English/word (I guess, because he lives
in non English Country/Community), no slang, easy for us (non native
English  Speaker)  to understand what he is saying/write. Marck, Allie
and you speak English fluently, but sometimes non native speaker as me
can  not  follow  you  (sorry,  no  offense please) because your words
sometimes not covers in my dictionary :-)

In  absence  of  Wolgang Kynast for long time, Thomas will fulfill the
need  of  moderators  who can speak German, many German people in this
list  just  in case they need special assistance they can ask Thomas
off  list  (when  Wolfgang  active,  sometimes  I ask him to translate
bounce messages that use German Language).

What do you think ?

For List Administrator Team, currently I and Marck get back up from my
friend  Flash.  Flash[EMAIL PROTECTED]  is  Knights of Thunder and
Ligthning  from Abracadabra Castle (just kidding)...seriously now...he
is  my  Linux Guru. He has help me much while migration this list from
MDaemon to Listar, and modify some source to meet our needs. TB! known
about credit person people, Listar too and Flash is one of them.

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Name  Server  (DNSServer).  Since  routing  problem  and  sudden burst
traffic  sometimes  ago  in  my  country,  I think we need backup Name
Server  so  thebat.dutaint.com  domain more easy to resolve around the
world.  Peter Palmreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] kindly help us
to do this (Thanks Pit). With Peter's Server, I hope Europe and Africa
more easy to reach this list.

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also  need  NS  backup in US region. Anyone who has run own Name (DNS)
server, live in West US and kind to help, please contact me off list.

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Re: Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]

2001-09-15 Thread Peter Meyns

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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:45:59 +0700GMT (which was 19:45 +0200GMT the day
before where I live), Syafril Hermansyah presented us with these thoughts
about Moderator Team [ was Re: Sorry, mistaken message]:

SH Hello Leif Gregory,

SH I pray and believe that you will stay on US :-)
SH That means we will miss Moderators in Asia Time Zone.

SH I would like to recommend one person from Asia to be Moderators, and I
SH vote for Thomas Fernandez from Taiwan.

Hi Syafril,

Thomas would certainly be good for this job. Question remains if he would want
it, as he's doing a lot of work on the german TB! lists. :-)

Cheers
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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-09 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Thomas,

On 09 September 2001 at  12:50:19 +0800 (which was 05:50 where I live)
Thomas F wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on TBUDL and made these points:

 Don't worry, they're still asleep. That's why I call us here in
 Asia the night shift. ;-)

SH LOL :-)
SH How did you know Leif still not coming back to Japan ?

TF I haven't heard from Leif in a long while. Dunno.

TF - Leif, are you out there?

He's around, listening and talking to us mods off-list, but he has ISP
woes right now.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-09 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Raj,

On 09 September 2001 at  09:58:21 +0530 (which was 05:28 where I live)
Raj wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on tbudl and made these points:

MDP  Here's the problem. The base template itself has to have the
MDP '-- ' cut marker in to give the signature somewhere to live.

R My  question  still  remain  same. Why was the same not added by
R the 'Ch' Qt ??? While its added by 'rs' QT.

R I mean one QT adds and the other does not ??? This point I am still
R not clear.

From where I'm sitting no QT adds the '-- ' without including it as
hard coded text. The %ISSIGNATURE only tells TB to replace the text
below the cut mark with the QT content. It doesn't tell TB to add a
cut mark. If you're getting a cut mark from a QT then it is in the
text somewhere - perhaps in the calling template.

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Re[2]: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-09 Thread Raj

Marck,

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, at 11:27:06 [GMT +0100] (which was 3:57 PM where I live) you
wrote:

From where I'm sitting no QT adds the '-- ' without including it as
MDP hard coded text.

Check  this  out  at your end. Create a test QT Just have the %ISSIGNATURE macro with 
some
text. Then open a new mail. Remove the '-- ' which appears and then insert the Test QT.

I  have  not  hard  coded  the '-- ' in my QT and it appears when there is no '-- ' in 
the
message  body  and  the  Qt  is inserted in the message body by typing the handle  
Ctrl +
Space.


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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-09 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Raj,

On 09 September 2001 at  17:35:21 +0530 (which was 13:05 where I live)
Raj wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on tbudl and made these points:

R Check  this  out  at your end. Create a test QT Just have the
R %ISSIGNATURE macro with some text. Then open a new mail. Remove the
R '-- ' which appears and then insert the Test QT.

Well I never! It seems to have a life of its own. It looks like the
actual rule is that invocation from %QINCLUDE= in a template requires
that the cut mark be present in the template while manual invocation
is intelligent enough to add / replace it as it sees fit.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-09 Thread Leif Gregory

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Hello Syafril,

On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 at 11:31:24 [GMT +0700], you wrote:
 Don't worry, they're still asleep. That's why I call us here in
 Asia the night shift. ;-)

SH LOL :-)
SH How did you know Leif still not coming back to Japan ?

grin That may still be a possibility. If I can't find the right job
here in the U.S. then we may go back to Tokyo. Then we'll have
worldwide coverage for moderation.. ;-)



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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Thomas F


Hello Yuki,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:14:54 +0900 GMT (08/09/2001, 14:14 +0800 GMT),
Yuki Taga wrote:

YT Sorry, but a personal message of mine was accidently sent to this
YT list.

Let me guess: Folder template? ;-)

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Raj


Yuki,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 15:14:54 [GMT +0900] (which was 11:44 AM where I live) you
wrote:

YT Sorry, but a personal message of mine was accidently sent to this
YT list.

I  guess  this  is  why Januk mentioned about having AB level templates rather than 
Folder
level.

Point awarded to you Januk.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Thomas F


Hello Raj,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:09:07 +0530 GMT (08/09/2001, 14:39 +0800 GMT),
Raj wrote:

YT Sorry, but a personal message of mine was accidently sent to this
YT list.

R I guess this is why Januk mentioned about having AB level templates
R rather than Folder level.

Actually, it's Marck's pet which some of us have adopted. Yuki just
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Re[2]: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Raj


Thomas,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 14:51:50 [GMT +0800] (which was 12:21 PM where I live) you
wrote:

TF Actually, it's Marck's pet which some of us have adopted. Yuki just
TF made his day. ;-)

Not having been involved earlier did not know that it was Marck's pet. So have a great 
day
Marck.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Raj,

On 08 September 2001 at  13:30:02 +0530 (which was 09:00 where I live)
Raj wrote to Thomas F on tbudl and made these points:

TF Actually, it's Marck's pet which some of us have adopted. Yuki
TF just made his day. ;-)

R Not having been involved earlier did not know that it was Marck's
R pet. So have a great day Marck.

:-) Potted lecture already sent in - not just for Yuki, but it's good
to rehash the reasoning for all to see once in a while. As you have
pointed out, Raj, you've only just become aware of it.

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Re[2]: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Raj


Marck,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 11:47:07 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:17 PM where I live) you
wrote:

R Not having been involved earlier did not know that it was Marck's
R pet. So have a great day Marck.

MDP :-) Potted lecture already sent in - not just for Yuki, but it's good
MDP to rehash the reasoning for all to see once in a while. As you have
MDP pointed out, Raj, you've only just become aware of it.

Thanks for the 'Lecture'.

Just  for  info - This folder template become dangerous only when one uses the '%to' 
Macro
or are there any other Macro pitfalls.

Reason  I  am  asking is that I have used the Folder Template AND '%To' only for the 
TBUDL
folder. (Planning to change that right after sending this mail). And find it a bit 
tedious
to create AB templates for all the entries which I have.


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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Raj,

On 08 September 2001 at  16:37:58 +0530 (which was 12:07 where I live)
Raj wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on tbudl and made these points:

R Thanks for the 'Lecture'.

My pleasure (that's just to show how small minded I can be, deriving
pleasure from the delivery of a lecture!).

R Just  for  info - This folder template become dangerous only when
R one uses the '%to' Macro or are there any other Macro pitfalls.

The outward dangers are when the %to is used. Other side effects are
just a nuisance in that folder focus can get in the way of message
formatting, which means you have to keep shifting focus from folder to
folder, or at least to make sure you have a neutral folder selected
before writing to your mother, sister, uncle in Canada, etc.

R Reason  I  am  asking is that I have used the Folder Template AND
R '%To' only for the TBUDL folder. (Planning to change that right
R after sending this mail). And find it a bit tedious to create AB
R templates for all the entries which I have.

I found it tedious to make the change, but then again, Address Book
groups can handle the worst of it. I have about ten groups with their
specific templates then within each group there may be up to four
individuals who need even more special treatment. It's a job worth
doing and makes so much better sense once you've done it.

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Allie C Martin


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Hi Raj,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:37:58 +0530, you thoughtfully wrote the
following:
...
R Just for info - This folder template become dangerous only when one
R uses the '%to' Macro or are there any other Macro pitfalls.

Any macro that addresses the message is dangerous, so the %CC and %BCC
macros are also dangerous.

In the absence of a matching, more specific address book template, the
folder template will be used instead, followed by the account
template. Folder templates are therefore quite non-specific and you
have to be very careful with macros that are designed to insert
specific information. The specific information may lead messages being
sent to the wrong recipient or the recipient receiving inappropriate
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Re[2]: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Raj


Marck,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 12:28:47 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:58 PM where I live) you
wrote:

MDP My pleasure (that's just to show how small minded I can be, deriving
MDP pleasure from the delivery of a lecture!).

Life is all about small pleasures. Little drops of water...

MDP The outward dangers are when the %to is used.

Just  curious  -  If  we have AB based templates and have to address mails to a person 
and
mark  a  cc  to the other then how can one ensure that the template is neutral.

As  an  eg I have a AB template for my wife's id. Which has 'lots of love' spread all 
over
it.  Now  if  I send a mail to her and also add a cc then the 'cc' recipient also gets 
the
template.

In  case I have a folder with the same template and I used a different template (while 
not
having AB template) this problem can resolved.

In  other  words  the  user  is  (and  has  to  be) responsible for checking the 
message /
recipients before sending the message.

ps : I was in a debate mood and hence this 

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Raj

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Re: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Marck D Pearlstone


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Hi Raj,

On 08 September 2001 at  17:54:34 +0530 (which was 13:24 where I live)
Raj wrote to Marck D Pearlstone on tbudl and made these points:

R Life is all about small pleasures. Little drops of water...

:-) Indeed.

R Just  curious  -  If  we have AB based templates and have to
R address mails to a person and mark  a  cc  to the other then how
R can one ensure that the template is neutral.

snip

R In  case I have a folder with the same template and I used a
R different template (while not having AB template) this problem can
R resolved.

R In  other  words  the  user  is  (and  has  to  be) responsible for
R checking the message / recipients before sending the message.

I do this by implementing all of my signatures as QTs with a
conveniently short handle. L Ctrl-Space gives a Love from
signature, S Ctrl-Space changes the sig to my Software Engineer and
web site block, while MOD Ctrl-Space is the one you see below.
These are built into by AB templates with %QINCLUDEs so that I only
ever change generic signatures in one place and all templates are
instantly updated.

The point I'm making is that I can send a message to someone who needs
the 'L' signature and CC it to someone I don't want to have that, so I
just hit in 'S' or 'CH' (Cheers, .\\arck) as I'm typing the message
and it swaps out the signature.

Of course, there are couple of folks who get a greeting from my
dearlove random greetings (too sick to expand on here). Such
messages need a little more attention to share around. Then again, by
making the beloved person a secondary recipient and making the
primary a neutral one, the problem is avoided.

R ps : I was in a debate mood and hence this 

Me too! (oops - we're not allowed me too on this list. Bad
moderator. Bad bad moderator g).

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Re[2]: Sorry, mistaken message

2001-09-08 Thread Raj

Marck,

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 14:36:10 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:06 PM where I live) you
wrote:

MDP :-) all of my sign offs contain the %ISSIGNATURE macro. When you use
MDP that, the replacement is auto-magical.

Thanks and will get back to the you ( forum) after I have done my bit of 
experimentation

MDP move the cursor. (Great software this TB thing, you know!).

Yeah its a wonderful piece of software.

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Raj

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