Re[3]: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hello Mark R Harding, On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:20:33 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 18, 2000, 02:20:33 (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Mark R Harding wrote: MRH My only thought against the above would be if a ban were also placed MRH on specific IP addresses if the banned party were known to have static MRH addresses that identified them uniquely and even then it wouldn't be MRH too hard to circumvent. Such as a different dial up. I've sat down and considered this before, I can't think of any feasible way of permanently preventing someone from joining. -- Jamie Dainton On Monday, September 18, 2000 at 08:17:16 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/5 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey Press any key to continue or any other key to quit... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Steve Lamb has left the building
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, On 17 September 2000 at 10:13:27 GMT -0700 (which was 18:13 where I live) Steve Lamb wrote and made these points on the subject of "New user, lotsa questions": SL /curmudgeon hat Steve has worn his curmudgeon hat here for the last time. Despite all warnings against goading and taunting he has left the moderators with no choice but to remove his address from the list membership roster and to block him from re-subscribing. This applies to both lists with immediate effect. While his input has been stimulating on occasion, it has been far more often intimidating. In our time we have lost more than one or two long term members to his self-confessed "unkind" style. As Allie just said to me in private: "I strongly believe that this will be a turning point for the list. A thousand years of peace. :-)". We shall see. Just to make sure no-one is in any doubt, I will now restate the rules which you receive as a final confirmation of your membership of the list. Please pay particular attention to rule 1.b - it may seem pretty autocratic but it is the recipe for a happy community. - -8- == Terms and conditions of use for TBUDL == 1. Please try to adhere to standard netiquette. This includes, but is not limited to: a. Don't type in all CAPS. RESERVE ALL CAPS FOR YELLING. If you wish to emphasize a word, use one of these conventions: 1. This _word_ is emphasized. 2. This *word* is emphasized. b. Disagreements are inevitable, but please refrain from engaging in flame wars. I am *not* saying you can't argue on this list, but please try to adhere to the following: 1. Stick to the facts, unless stating your opinion, but please make it clear that it is your opinion. 2. Do not use profanity. Personally, I have no problem with it, but this list is not the place for it. If a list member is consistently abusive, they will be banned from the list. 3. Do not turn a discussion into a slanging match by resorting to personal insults and/or derogatory remarks. Things such as, but not limited to: You're an ^%*$, or any variant thereof Telling someone to go do something to themselves Telling someone to do something to you Telling someone to go do something to someone else Namecalling Remarking on someone's intelligence, or rather, the lack thereof. Making statements clearly designed to aggravate a situation or taunt someone. If a list member is consistently abusive, they will be banned from the list. 4. There comes a time in every argument that it becomes a dead horse. If you wish to continue to beat this horse, take it to private e-mail or to TBOT (see the section at the end of these notes regard the TBOT list). If a thread has been declared either Off-Topic or a Dead Horse, this means that discussion on that thread is to cease immediately. c. Everyone is a newbie at one time or another. I have been subscribed to mailing lists of one kind or another for as long as I can remember. I've noticed that some questions are regarded by long time subscribers to be moot, and they will not respond to them, or will flame them. My big fix for this problem is that as this list progresses, I will maintain an FAQ. If a question is asked more than a few times, I will choose what I consider to be the best answer, or even combine answers to place in the FAQ. I will make all attempts to provide proper credit to the author. You can find this FAQ at: http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/faq.shtml d. Off-topic posts will be kept to a minimum. I'm *not* saying we can't have them, sometimes they are needed to break the monotony or are interesting. Just please keep them to a minimum. Please precede your SUBJECT line with either of the following two conventions: OT: for Off-Topic discussions such as asking about a Windows configuration problem not related to TB. SOT: for slightly Off-Topic discussions such as talking about other e-mail software. There are two types of off-topic posts that will get you immediately removed from the list. The first is SPAM. I actively seek out spammers and report them to just about anybody who I think can do something about it. I'm going
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Marck, Regarding your message dated: 17 September 2000... Does that mean that there's now room for 'Elvis' to make a comeback? Cheers, Mark -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hi Marck, Sunday, September 17, 2000, 9:27:38 PM, you wrote: MDP While his input has been stimulating on occasion, it has been far more MDP often intimidating. In our time we have lost more than one or two long MDP term members to his self-confessed "unkind" style. MDP As Allie just said to me in private: "I strongly believe that this MDP will be a turning point for the list. A thousand years of peace. :-)". MDP We shall see. This is indeed a pity, despite his abrasive style SL definitely made some valuable contributions to the list, I for one am sorry to see him go. -- Mark Aston mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gunfleet.com http://www.gunfleet.com/LinuxGuide Using The Bat! 1.46c Under Windows NT 5 0 Service Pack 1 2195 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Steve Lamb has left the building
MDP As Allie just said to me in private: "I strongly believe that this MDP will be a turning point for the list. A thousand years of peace. :-)". MDP We shall see. This is indeed a pity, despite his abrasive style SL definitely made some valuable contributions to the list, I for one am sorry to see him go. Most would probably call me a lurker since I don't really post all that often... even so, I'd like to say that I don't buy the "misunderstood genius" bit or the "this is how I am, deal" thing... I'm glad to see that Marck has done what's needed doing. Something we should all strive to remember... There are NO dumb questions, or dumb opinions. (Just mis-informed.) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 5:11 PM or thereabouts, Soth wrote the following about Steve Lamb has left the building: S Something we should all strive to remember... There are NO dumb S questions, or dumb opinions. (Just mis-informed.) Probably so ... but let's not test that theory to any great extent. :-) Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Pride is what we have, vanity is what others have. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Thanks. I've been filtering SL directly to Trash on Yahoo, so that I didn't have to download his posts. So, I had to go check the Trash to see what all the fuss was about. Pretty mild for the Lamb-aster. But booting him is long overdue. Maybe I'll start reading the list again. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.45 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
In Reference to "Steve Lamb has left the building" From Soth: S There are NO dumb questions Come work with the people I do. You'll recant that statement quicker than Slick Willy can drop trou. -- - Nick Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hello Mark Aston, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:57:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 18, 2000, 3:57:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Aston wrote: Hi Marck, Sunday, September 17, 2000, 9:27:38 PM, you wrote: MDP While his input has been stimulating on occasion, it has been far more MDP often intimidating. In our time we have lost more than one or two long MDP term members to his self-confessed "unkind" style. MDP As Allie just said to me in private: "I strongly believe that this MDP will be a turning point for the list. A thousand years of peace. :-)". MDP We shall see. This is indeed a pity, despite his abrasive style SL definitely made some valuable contributions to the list, I for one am sorry to see him go. Is this a ban on sending and receiving or a post ban only?? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Steve had some pretty serious personality problems I think, especially with coming to terms with people disagreeing with him. Whilst I'm certain some of his contributions were appreciated, his attidude towards people with a different opinion certainly wasn't. Sad to say it, but I think his departure will do the list a whole lot of good. The tendency to rise to flamebait even if it isn't vaguely intended as such, made threads spiral out of control... 750K worth of a slanging match is no fun to download. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk "But what fun is destruction if no precious lives are lost!" -- Kefka PGP welcomed - you can get the key from my automated link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=GetMyPGPKey You may also get the keys from reputable keyservers. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hi Nick, On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 7:16 PM, you wrote in part about "Steve Lamb has left the building": N While I know Steve can be his own worse enemy, I too will miss his N presence on this list. I owe my entire filtering scheme to his help, N and learned many things from him about email proggies and software in N general. I am sure he has had a contribution to the list, or to certain individuals, but overall this was a long time coming. I am not going to belittle him, nor bring up individual kindnesses that were done, but certainly with the abuse towards certain people, causing Alex to leave the list, for example (among others), for which I missed a lot in my early days having to do with regular expressions, which Alex is notoriously good at. This propensity to antagonize people, and not having or giving mutual respect during the discourse of a thread wears on many people. Many people with culturally different backgrounds take offense to abrasiveness, and wind up reacting, which feeds further attacks. We all have seen this happen many times to the detriment to the list overall, and frankly, there have been many times, when I don't have the time to read that junk, nor do I want to. Each of us knows that within one or two replies in a thread from this individual meant that something was starting, and it usually went downhill with both parties. N While I am not a very vocal list member, I have been a subscriber N for quite awhile so I've seen the list change with time. I N personally enjoyed it more during the times Steve was active. The list is a living thing. It will always change, as the composition of the group changes, for the good or the bad for all. No one person is indispensable in any situation. Just my 2c probably on a dead issue. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Never argue with a man carrying a water buffalo. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 7:57 PM or thereabouts, A . Curtis Martin wrote the following about Steve Lamb has left the building: -- [snip] --8 ACM There's no real celebrating in moderator land as such. I ACM personally got a headache over the whole thing. It was quite ACM difficult. I do share your view that Steve did contribute ACM positively to the list and I myself adopted his proposed method ACM of spam filtering, but your initial statement hit the nail on ACM the head, in that Steve can be his own worst enemy. His ACM negative side was just too intolerable and, IMHO, had an ACM overall negative effect. It was only a matter of time. -- [snip] --8 Am I alone in feeling that continuing to talk about someone after they're gone, rather than just the situation (i.e., rules) is also inappropriate? (Not picking on this response, Allie, except that it was merely the most recently received in the thread.) But can we let it die? Please? This just feels so improper to me somehow. What's done is done, whatever individual feelings about it may be. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: A feature is a bug with seniority. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi tracer, On 18 September 2000 at 07:33:46 GMT +0700 (which was 01:33 where I live) tracer wrote and made these points on the subject of "Steve Lamb has left the building": This is indeed a pity, despite his abrasive style SL definitely made some valuable contributions to the list, I for one am sorry to see him go. t Is this a ban on sending and receiving or a post ban only?? His address has been forcibly removed from the membership roster of both lists and further blocked from re-enlisting. It's a total ban. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] I started out with nothing still have most of it left. TB! v1.47 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcVsOjnkJKuSnc2gEQL/EACeMVmbD11XMhmLYIhpFTwIXFEh41EAniL0 JBtKZN5X8zF92GvWKhrQgMuM =q85a -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:06:57 -0500, Chuck Mattsen wrote: CM -- [snip] --8 ACM There's no real celebrating in moderator land as such. I ACM personally got a headache over the whole thing. It was quite ACM difficult. I do share your view that Steve did contribute ACM positively to the list and I myself adopted his proposed method ACM of spam filtering, but your initial statement hit the nail on ACM the head, in that Steve can be his own worst enemy. His ACM negative side was just too intolerable and, IMHO, had an ACM overall negative effect. It was only a matter of time. CM -- [snip] --8 CM Am I alone in feeling that continuing to talk about someone after CM they're gone, rather than just the situation (i.e., rules) is also CM inappropriate? (Not picking on this response, Allie, except that it CM was merely the most recently received in the thread.) :-) That's OK. CM But can we let it die? Please? This just feels so improper to me CM somehow. What's done is done, whatever individual feelings about it CM may be. Personally, I find the responses useful. Let's me get a feel of what some of the memberships opinion on the whole thing is like. I don't think anyone is particularly being rude or improper. It's just that feelings and opinions surrounding the whole thing are bound to be vented. I'm sure that it will all soon calm down and we can all get on with TB! discussions. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Sign on baby's bib: SPIT HAPPENS. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcVs9fAXeSHuB5k3EQIFYQCdGBXh3tMOgkEp9fnQGn7daatNEhEAnjXp QkSU2/Mkhg+7InMteq8Bu51F =y4US -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Steve Lamb has left the building
A., Regarding your message dated: 18 September 2000... ACM It's a ban on both. Just out of interest - I assume that any ban is made against the subscriber's email address and therefore there would be little to stop a banned individual from re-subscribing under another alias thanks to the anonymity the net provides. Naturally, if someone were to do this then either they would need to modify their behaviour to avoid an equally quick second departure which might be to the benefit of the list (or not?) but I guess what I am asking is that if someone really wants on to the list there's probably little that can be done to prevent it. My only thought against the above would be if a ban were also placed on specific IP addresses if the banned party were known to have static addresses that identified them uniquely and even then it wouldn't be too hard to circumvent. I suppose one has to just trust that the party that has been removed from the group list 'honours' that ban and does not attempt to gain entry by other means. Just thinking aloud given the immediate 'candid' responses in case anyone might have considered 'talking ill of the dead' so to speak... Mark. -- - Using TheBat! 1.46c Windows NT 4 0 1381 Service Pack 6 - Just4Fun - Freestuff, Humour and More! - http://just4fun.ipfox.com/ - Mark R Harding The Integrated Systems Group (Vision) Department of Electronics Electrical Engineering The University of Edinburgh, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road Edinburgh. EH9 3JL. Scotland. U.K. Phone: +44 (0)131 650 5662 Fax:+44 (0)131 650 6554 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/ - PGP-Key Available at: http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~mrh/pgp.html - -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Steve Lamb has left the building)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chuck, On 18 September 2000 at 20:06:57 GMT -0500 (which was 02:06 where I live) Chuck Mattsen wrote and made these points on the subject of "Steve Lamb has left the building": CM Am I alone in feeling that continuing to talk about someone after CM they're gone, rather than just the situation (i.e., rules) is also CM inappropriate? (Not picking on this response, Allie, except that CM it was merely the most recently received in the thread.) Probably not. IMHO there is a need for some of us who felt particularly strongly about Steve's involvement in this community (good or bad) to express their feeling about his departure. It appears to me that these expressions have been responsible and within bounds. Yes, there is a morbidity about it... CM But can we let it die? Please? .. and yes, enough is enough (except, as you say, where rules need clarifying as a result). CM This just feels so improper to me somehow. What's done is done, CM whatever individual feelings about it may be. Let's add a moderatorial note of finality here and say the HORSE JUST DIED. If anyone else has any expressions of condolence or otherwise then let's take it off-list to TBOT (although Chuck's right and a public discussion isn't really proper) or make it private. Thanks chaps and chapesses. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Boycott shampoo... Demand REAL poo! TB! v1.47 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcVu/jnkJKuSnc2gEQK1WQCgsp4eHhmYrP727vGP8n4DBwJvWTAAn0fO Nhl/HRDgEc6ynoEZUW1qd5DD =15Vh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hello Nick, Sunday, September 17, 2000, 7:58:47 PM, you wrote: ND In Reference to "Steve Lamb has left the building" From Soth: S There are NO dumb questions ND Come work with the people I do. You'll recant that statement quicker ND than Slick Willy can drop trou. With the people I work with, that is the truest statement I have read in quite some time. And in regards to the time element. Dang, that's fast. For those that care... Yeah ok. My full time job is in DC, so that statement reminded me of all of the minions going around trying to come up with an excuse for that after the fact. ROFL -- Regards, [ Curtis Campbell | DragonWorks WorldWide - www.drgnwrks.com ] [ PGP Key ID: 0xBD990EDF | Privacy is not just a job, but an... ] [ Authorized "The Bat!" Distributor | E-Mail's Never Been Better ] Being educated doesn't necessarily mean being intelligent. The Bat! - Version 1.46 - S/N 586FD428 - Windows 95.4.0 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hello Nick Danger, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:16:56 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 18, 2000, 7:16:56 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Danger wrote: In Reference to "Steve Lamb has left the building" From Mark Aston: M This is indeed a pity, despite his abrasive style SL definitely made M some valuable contributions to the list, I for one am sorry to see him M go. While I know Steve can be his own worse enemy, I too will miss his presence on this list. I owe my entire filtering scheme to his help, and learned many things from him about email proggies and software in general. I am sure most here figure the list will be all the better for his banishment, I think the opposite. I think that while it may be better for most those present on the list, it likely isnt in the best interest of the bat as email program... On the other hand it would surprise me as he is a user, if he doesnt resubscribe with a different addy just to see whats happening... I had a few off list communications with Steve and he was always *very* helpful, and courteous (though you may find it hard to believe). Agreed. Problem is he should be locked up and away from normal computer users While I am not a very vocal list member, I have been a subscriber for quite awhile so I've seen the list change with time. I personally enjoyed it more during the times Steve was active. I think he has been too long in support work, one needs an elephantskin to survive it... AND one has to be able to see the funny side of the silly things one sees... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb has left the building
Hello Gary, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:45:17 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 18, 2000, 7:45:17 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Gary wrote: Hi Nick, On Sunday, September 17, 2000, 7:16 PM, you wrote in part about "Steve Lamb has left the building": N While I know Steve can be his own worse enemy, I too will miss his N presence on this list. I owe my entire filtering scheme to his help, N and learned many things from him about email proggies and software in N general. I am sure he has had a contribution to the list, or to certain individuals, but overall this was a long time coming. I am not going to belittle him, nor bring up individual kindnesses that were done, but certainly with the abuse towards certain people, causing Alex to leave the list, for example (among others), for which I missed a lot in my early days having to do with regular expressions, which Alex is notoriously good at. ref ALEX: (sorry just see the dead horse): he is/was busy preparing some extreemly foggy subject in math for his final thesis, seems worse then regular expressions to me (g). I have been to busy to check if he already finsihed it but his departure wasnt Steve as only reason, he was just plain busy with work... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD HORSE (was Re: Steve Lamb has left the building)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 18 September 2000 at 20:40:48 GMT -0500 (which was 02:40 where I live) Nick Danger wrote and made these points on the subject of "DEAD HORSE (was Re: Steve Lamb has left the building)": Loath as I am to perpetuate a DH but I did say: M except, as you say, where rules need clarifying as a result. So... ND ... A quick moderator note to "Watch it, or else" might prevent ND tossing bodies from the boat in the future. Just to say that these were issued and both rebuffed and ignored in this case. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Everybody is somebody else's weirdo. TB! v1.47 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcV8zznkJKuSnc2gEQJKjACgzapBUUxISds7wv/A6B/TUi42QcwAoN/M 0X2BNnsCn9UAdqvV2o8d1U01 =ULU4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
This message: 14/02/2000 08:09 GMT. Sunday, February 13, 2000, 11:46:49 PM, Nick wrote: ND Color me Libertarian, but as obnoxious as Steve can be put me down on ND the side of free speech. I prefer to do my own censorship via ND filtering. Count me out of any witch hunts ya'll are trying to get ND together. If you think he has nothing to offer filter him out. Easy, ND painless, and affects only yourself. I have to agree with with this one. The best thing to do with Steve Lamb, when he sends obnoxious responses is to ignore them or filter them out. It's the response he gets and discussions like this that are generated by his actions that he feeds on. Ignoring anything he sends as if he doesn't exist will drive him into a frenzy, he'll check all his settings, he'll send out more and more drivel in a vein attempt to invoke a response. The more it's ignored, the more he'll squirm. The silence will drive him crazy. ND If you think he has nothing to offer filter him out. Easy, ND painless, and affects only yourself. And you only have yourself to blame if you rise to his bait. -- _ Tony. _ Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
Hello, On Monday, February 14, 2000 at 09:06:51 GMT + (which was 1:06 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: And you only have yourself to blame if you rise to his bait. Other than bashing another list member, is there any point to this thread? Paula posted a formal complaint, as did Larry, and I respect them for their courage. But beyond that it seems to me that this thread is way off topic and inappropriate for this list. Marck? -- Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE (was Re: Steve Lamb)
Hi Januk, On 14 February 2000 at 01:46:58 GMT -0800 (which was 09:46 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JA Other than bashing another list member, is there any point to this JA thread? Paula posted a formal complaint, as did Larry, and I JA respect them for their courage. JA But beyond that it seems to me that this thread is way off topic JA and inappropriate for this list. Marck? It is indeed. As I have explained to some other members off-list, I have been away for the weekend and this entire topic blew up while I was off-line. My personal apologies to those on the list who have taken offence and my further apologies for my seemingly slow response to this situation. I'm in the case now. Please leave discussions of the behaviour of any members of this list as off-list topics. I find this thread particularly distasteful (as I did the comments which originally spawned it). Any comments regarding the behaviour of list members should be directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not brought up as topics of conversation on the list. Now, can we all please move on and "quit rubbernecking" ;-). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
Dah hit the wrong button on that last one, sorry... The list may be silent about him because kill-filters are in use or others as myself have grown immune to it LB Well, I personally can't grow immune to such foolishness. That's the point of kill filters, you just have it automatically mark all posts by him read, and then you don't read them. Therefore, you are immune. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD HORSE - Re: Steve Lamb
Hello Tom, On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 at 14:11:54 [GMT -0800], you wrote: TB Well, I personally can't grow immune to such foolishness. TP That's the point of kill filters, you just have it automatically mark TP all posts by him read, and then you don't read them. Therefore, you TP are immune. This thread is dead! Cheers, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ - 216395 -- PCWize - http://www.pcwize.com A free weekly e-zine for both newbies and advanced users sent directly to your inbox. Web site and software reviews, technology news, tips and tricks, security alerts, and in-depth "How they work" articles on computers and the Internet. Tagline of the day: Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:11:54 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote: LB Well, I personally can't grow immune to such foolishness. That's the point of kill filters, you just have it automatically mark all posts by him read, and then you don't read them. Therefore, you are immune. What about the replies and generated discussion as is happening with these two very messages? :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** A day for firm decisions! Or is it? ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Steve Lamb
Hello Owners, I ask you to please review Steve Lamb's latests "contributions" to the TBUDL, particularly in the thread "Why not highlighting the newest message in the folder?" Not only does Mr. Lamb provoke flame wars, which involve personal insults and language that I feel has no place on a mailing list like this one, but he sets a tone for the list that is sure to intimidate, if not scare off, all but the hardiest of people or those numb to the ways of Usenet or worse, those that actually enjoy that type of nonsense. I personally know of people who have left the list, because they are grown-ups who simply don't have time for this kind of Internet BS. Note that the person who originated the "highlighting the newest message" said nothing further. If you review Mr. Lamb's postings to the list, you'll find that that is a pattern, no doubt intended by himself. If someone does dare to disagree with his views, he immediately turns nasty and resorts to childish namecalling. I'd also like to point out that Mr. Lamb very rarely provides any assistance. In most Internet venues, such behavior would classify him as a troll. Morevover, many of his posts to the list explicitly violate the list rules and guidelines. Some long-time users of the list have developed an amused tolerance for Mr. Lamb and his ways; others have him in their kill filter. But, I ask you to consider the overall effect that he has on the list and, particularly on newcomers, as he doesn't hesitate to turn his vitriole on an innocent first-time poster. I assume that we all have the best interest of RIT Labs and TB at heart. A small-time program, like TB, can benefit greatly from creating a sense of community among its users, and this is probably the greatest service TBUDL provides - or could provide. Mr. Lamb, unfortunately, undermines that sense of community. In fact, I feel that as long as Mr. Lamb is left to his own devices, TBUDL is likely doing TB more harm than good. Trolls deserve the death penalty, IMO, especially when they persist in behavior, despite warnings. But, perhaps you could banish him to the TB beta list, where he can argue all he wants about "new" features with a more limited group of long-time users. I would appreciate your letting me know if you're not going to do anything about Mr. Lamb, because I find it painful to watch how he treats people and will have to leave the list. It was rather nice when he was on vacation, but now my tolerance of him is even less after the refreshing, but all too brief, respite. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 1:50:48 PM, Paula wrote: If someone does dare to disagree with his views, he immediately turns nasty and resorts to childish namecalling. Oh come off it, Paula. I respond in the tone given, nothing more. Don't like it, tough. Note that the person who originated the "highlighting the newest message" said nothing further. I'll also point out to her majesty the queen of TBUDL that my response to the original poster was not nasty nor contained namecalling. Further my second response in the thread was in kind to the tone set by the user in question. I'd also like to point out that Mr. Lamb very rarely provides any assistance. Much more than you ever do, that much is certain. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
Hello Paula, Sunday, February 13, 2000, 6:50:48 PM, you wrote: Hello Owners, I ask you to please review Steve Lamb's latests "contributions" to the TBUDL, particularly in the thread "Why not highlighting the newest message in the folder?" Not only does Mr. Lamb provoke flame wars, which involve personal insults and language that I feel has no place on a mailing list like this one, but he sets a tone for the list that is sure to intimidate, if not scare off, all but the hardiest of people or those numb to the ways of Usenet or worse, those that actually enjoy that type of nonsense. I personally know of people who have left the list, because they are grown-ups who simply don't have time for this kind of Internet BS. Note that the person who originated the "highlighting the newest message" said nothing further. If you review Mr. Lamb's postings to the list, you'll find that that is a pattern, no doubt intended by himself. If someone does dare to disagree with his views, he immediately turns nasty and resorts to childish namecalling. I'd also like to point out that Mr. Lamb very rarely provides any assistance. In most Internet venues, such behavior would classify him as a troll. Morevover, many of his posts to the list explicitly violate the list rules and guidelines. Some long-time users of the list have developed an amused tolerance for Mr. Lamb and his ways; others have him in their kill filter. But, I ask you to consider the overall effect that he has on the list and, particularly on newcomers, as he doesn't hesitate to turn his vitriole on an innocent first-time poster. I assume that we all have the best interest of RIT Labs and TB at heart. A small-time program, like TB, can benefit greatly from creating a sense of community among its users, and this is probably the greatest service TBUDL provides - or could provide. Mr. Lamb, unfortunately, undermines that sense of community. In fact, I feel that as long as Mr. Lamb is left to his own devices, TBUDL is likely doing TB more harm than good. Trolls deserve the death penalty, IMO, especially when they persist in behavior, despite warnings. But, perhaps you could banish him to the TB beta list, where he can argue all he wants about "new" features with a more limited group of long-time users. I would appreciate your letting me know if you're not going to do anything about Mr. Lamb, because I find it painful to watch how he treats people and will have to leave the list. It was rather nice when he was on vacation, but now my tolerance of him is even less after the refreshing, but all too brief, respite. Dear Paula (and others), Thank you for your timely comments. I wrote the following letter *before* your reply. As I am one of those who have quit the list several times because of Mr. Lamb, I decided to send this as was written. __ Greetings, I'm still trying to decide who is worse, Steve Lamb, or the rest of us who tolerate his foul-mouthed stupidity. It's amazing how uncouth and just plain idiotic some people can be - hiding behind a computer screen. This guy is sickening, and I sure wish some of you would wake up and take notice. I don't consider him a great asset to this list - to the contrary - I consider him a detriment to an otherwise fine list. Many of us (and there are many) love The Bat! for our own little inexperienced layman reasons, and I have a strong hunch that our support for this software goes a lot deeper than this big-mouthed blowhard who is pretty good at spitting on every opinion that didn't originate with him. I cringe when I read someone complimenting Lamb on *anything* he says. The attitude seems to be, "Oh he's rude and uncouth and arrogant, but he has s much good to contribute." Hogwash! - I'm not about to reach down to the bottom of a garbage can just because there's a sandwich there! In my opinion, he long ago lost the right to be heard. I personally am not impressed with how intelligent and experienced one might be - if that person doesn't know how to express his opinion in a civilized way - I don't need or want his opinion. Life is too short to put up with that kind of foolishness. The folks at RIT Labs seem to have gotten along pretty well before Steve Lamb came on the scene, and I'm absolutely positive they can continue to build great software without his kind of input. I can tolerate plenty of difference of opinion - but when someone lowers himself to the place of calling someone else a "whining prick" just because they dare to differ with him - that person is less than worthless to me! It appears to me that he could use some professional help. Steve, please do The Bat! a favor and go find someplace else to vent your wrathfrustration! You'll dr
Re: Steve Lamb
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:13:20 -0300, Larry Barrett wrote: Thank you for your timely comments. I wrote the following letter *before* your reply. As I am one of those who have quit the list several times because of Mr. Lamb, I decided to send this as was written. You should never let a fellow subscriber deprive you of the benefits of this list. This means that he wins and you lose. I'll never understand why someone would unsubscribe and deprive him or herself of a useful resource on the account of a fellow subscriber. :( Create a kill-filter and by all means send your complaint to the list-owner. I, however, implore you not to unsubscribe on that account. The posters here, unless otherwise explicitly stated, are here on the same terms that you are. Their writings in no way represent the views of Ritlabs or those of any other members of this list's as yours does. The list may be silent about him because kill-filters are in use or others as myself have grown immune to it all or have developed the ability to ignore the unfavourable content. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** You want computer jokes? Ok: IBM, NEC, DEC, Microsoft... ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Steve Lamb
Hello Allie, Sunday, February 13, 2000, 8:28:07 PM, you wrote: The list may be silent about him because kill-filters are in use or others as myself have grown immune to it Well, I personally can't grow immune to such foolishness. When I finish this, I will un-subscribe for good. If Mr. Lamb's kind of action is "normal" behavior for you, it certainly isn't for me. I still think it's a shame that a great list has been ruined by one person. For your information, more people than you can imagine *have* left this list because of him. Larry Barrett -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
RE: Steve Lamb
Yeah I agree, in fact I am so sick of the crap on this list that I am resigning, so if Mr Lamb wants to flame me in return, I won't get it! BTW I have asked a question on the list, no-one ever answered, what a waste of damn time. Nick -Original Message- From: Paula Ford [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 14 February 2000 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Steve Lamb Hello Owners, I ask you to please review Steve Lamb's latests "contributions" to the TBUDL, particularly in the thread "Why not highlighting the newest message in the folder?" Not only does Mr. Lamb provoke flame wars, which involve personal insults and language that I feel has no place on a mailing list like this one, but he sets a tone for the list that is sure to intimidate, if not scare off, all but the hardiest of people or those numb to the ways of Usenet or worse, those that actually enjoy that type of nonsense. I personally know of people who have left the list, because they are grown-ups who simply don't have time for this kind of Internet BS. Note that the person who originated the "highlighting the newest message" said nothing further. If you review Mr. Lamb's postings to the list, you'll find that that is a pattern, no doubt intended by himself. If someone does dare to disagree with his views, he immediately turns nasty and resorts to childish namecalling. I'd also like to point out that Mr. Lamb very rarely provides any assistance. In most Internet venues, such behavior would classify him as a troll. Morevover, many of his posts to the list explicitly violate the list rules and guidelines. Some long-time users of the list have developed an amused tolerance for Mr. Lamb and his ways; others have him in their kill filter. But, I ask you to consider the overall effect that he has on the list and, particularly on newcomers, as he doesn't hesitate to turn his vitriole on an innocent first-time poster. I assume that we all have the best interest of RIT Labs and TB at heart. A small-time program, like TB, can benefit greatly from creating a sense of community among its users, and this is probably the greatest service TBUDL provides - or could provide. Mr. Lamb, unfortunately, undermines that sense of community. In fact, I feel that as long as Mr. Lamb is left to his own devices, TBUDL is likely doing TB more harm than good. Trolls deserve the death penalty, IMO, especially when they persist in behavior, despite warnings. But, perhaps you could banish him to the TB beta list, where he can argue all he wants about "new" features with a more limited group of long-time users. I would appreciate your letting me know if you're not going to do anything about Mr. Lamb, because I find it painful to watch how he treats people and will have to leave the list. It was rather nice when he was on vacation, but now my tolerance of him is even less after the refreshing, but all too brief, respite. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb
In Reference to "Steve Lamb" From Larry Barrett Paula Ford: Color me Libertarian, but as obnoxious as Steve can be put me down on the side of free speech. I prefer to do my own censorship via filtering. Count me out of any witch hunts ya'll are trying to get together. If you think he has nothing to offer filter him out. Easy, painless, and affects only yourself. -- - Nick Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Steve Lamb 101
Hello Angel, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 at 18:51:08 [GMT -0800], you wrote: A Hi all, and Nick, A I am *not* a member of the *I hate Steve* fan club (Hate is such a strong word anyways). A I just think there is a lot of frustration in the air. [snipped lots of mushy stuff] Ok everybody, group hug! grin Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Give me ambiguity or give me something else. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Steve Lamb 101
\\\|/// / ~ _ \ (- O o -) --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Hello Leif, LG Ok everybody, group hug! LG grin which reminds me: sometime ago there was a question for photo's of the list members to put them on some site... anybody got more info on that? (who to contact, site-url,...) -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Speelplein Aboe http://surf.to/aboe ** Plagiarism prohibited, derive carefully. Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 on Windows 98 4.10 build A with a Intel p200-MMX @ 64 MB 21Gb Hd .oooO ( ) Oooo. --\ (( ) \_)) / (_/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Rogue Galary (was:Re: Steve Lamb 101)
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Thursday, January 13, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to Roel about Rogue Galary (was:Re: Steve Lamb 101): R sometime ago there was a question for photo's of the list members to R put them on some site... R anybody got more info on that? R (who to contact, site-url,...) TF Mail it to Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]. And where can I see them? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Rogue Galary (was:Re: Steve Lamb 101)
Hello Oleg, On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 at 15:13:45 [GMT +0400], you wrote: R anybody got more info on that? R (who to contact, site-url,...) TF Mail it to Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]. OZ And where can I see them? The rogues gallery is accessible via the TBUDL FAQ page, but here is the direct URL as well. http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: A 'language' is a dialect with an army. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Steve Lamb 101
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 1:54:16 AM, Andrew wrote: The other thing you learn from him is why Unix got stomped all over by Microsoft products. Steve has a pure Unix mindset: there is One Right Way to understand anything, and anyone who can't share it, even after being shouted at, is a Stupid Luser. *laugh* He's often right about the facts. But the tone of hectoring contempt and the habit of treating people as if it were wicked of them to want something he finds illogical tends to put paying customers off. I hate to tell this to you but I have laid into some Unix people because their programs don't do enough. I've explained to them exactly why the Windows clients were better in some regards than their clients and demanded that they fix it. Hasn't happened yet. :/ As for Microsoft, we all know they "won" on PR alone. Thing is, after a while, people get tired of the BS and look for the technically superior solution. I never claimed to be a PR guy, just right. Given the choice of being nice and wrong or rude and right I'll be the latter every time. People forgive rude, they don't forgive wrong. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Steve Lamb 101
Hello Steve Lamb, On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:16:11 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 13, 2000, 10:16:11 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve As for Microsoft, we all know they "won" on PR alone. Thing is, after a Steve while, people get tired of the BS and look for the technically superior Steve solution. I never claimed to be a PR guy, just right. Given the choice of Steve being nice and wrong or rude and right I'll be the latter every time. People Steve forgive rude, they don't forgive wrong. They do, they know YOU didnt write windows(g) But agreed, being wrong in support it means you lose customers. I remember from the very first PC's getting all the users in the company setup with identical batfiles (even for the programs they didnt have..). Ok, I had the write the things but it made life so much easier to create standards(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Steve Lamb 101
Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:08:40 AM, tracer wrote: didnt have..). Ok, I had the write the things but it made life so much easier to create standards(g) Oh, standards are a good thing, as long as they are open. Microsoft often doesn't open its standards, doesn't maintain the standards they set, don't adhere to standards regardless of them setting it or not. I don't consider it a "standard" when the main reason it is standardized is based solely on market share. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Steve Lamb 101
Hello Steve Lamb, On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:35:58 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 14, 2000, 12:35:58 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve Thursday, January 13, 2000, 9:08:40 AM, tracer wrote: didnt have..). Ok, I had the write the things but it made life so much easier to create standards(g) Steve Oh, standards are a good thing, as long as they are open. Microsoft often Steve doesn't open its standards, doesn't maintain the standards they set, don't Steve adhere to standards regardless of them setting it or not. Steve I don't consider it a "standard" when the main reason it is standardized Steve is based solely on market share. agreed. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Steve Lamb 101
As always happens with every new inrush of new TB! users the "I hate Steve Lamb" fan club gets cranked up. To this end, let me try and hurry the learning process along by lending my personal experience. When I first came on TBUDL my initial reaction to Steve was "what an obnoxious, conceited, boisterous (if that's possible via email), pompous ass" and I'll just toss his little ol' name into a kill filter and be done with it. Luckily, I held off. Lamb in an acquired taste (pun intended), and once you get past the brash outer shell there really is a lot one can learn from Steve. I have gained great insight on a lot of topics from his "discussions" in this forum, and while I don't agree with everything he says (what sane person possibly could?) there is even tidbits of wisdom in the wackiest of Steve's stances. Sure, he can make you feel like veins are about to explode in your forehead at times, but just chalk it up to his passion in defending what he thinks is a good email program that he doesn't want to see headed in the wrong (ie: opposite his ideals) way. You actually have to admire his passion. Steve's a self proclaimed curmudgeon, but mixed into that is also a witty and wry sense of humor. So please, before you start typing up that flame response to something Steve said, sit back, count to ten, and do I do, say to yourself "There goes ol' Steve again!" as it truly would be a loss to this forum if he took his opinions (staunchly stated as they are) elsewhere. -- - Nick Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
