Re: [Texascavers] RE: [Cowtown] Site available for use
Rick, your effort is great, I know sites like these take up a lot of time, I've done my fair share of them. Also, please don't take this the wrong way, I'm intending it to be constructive criticism. The Texas caving community already has a state wide website/forums that a lot of cavetex/texascavers.com members are on. http://www.texascaving.com/ Duplicating efforts will only split the community, and I don't think anyone wants that to happen. I'll be happy to discuss this further if you want. Charles Rick wrote: Sounds pretty nice, if people want to use the site then the script could be setup for it. -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:13 PM To: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Cowtown] Site available for use Nice... I actually know a guy that is programming a php script to take a mailing list and input it into forums, and also doing the reverse. Once he's finished and gets the bugs worked out (its currently in beta software now), I had planned on trying it out for our mailing lists that I host. I know some like mailing lists, and others prefer forums, and this would solve everything, and keep things synchronized.
Re: [Texascavers] RE: [Cowtown] Site available for use
Rick, perhaps you could join forces with texascaving.com, develop a diving section there, I know there are lots of cavers in the area that are also divers. You have a plethora of information on your site, and I'm sure they would welcome the addition of more information. Good luck Charles Rick wrote: That's fine, I've already got a group of my cave diver buddies using it for us to organize our scuba trips so nothing is wasted, I figured I would extend it for other uses if people wanted to use it, my small group of divers won't push the limits of the site by any means so I figured if people want it, it's there.
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:24:51 + From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com From: Luke Metzger, Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: January 31, 2007 11:10:41 AM CST Subject: Environment Texas : Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks Hello, Last year during the gubernatorial campaign, Governor Perry pledged support for full funding for our state parks system. Unfortunately, he has since backed away from that position, telling the Fort Worth Star-Telegram he thinks the Parks and Wildlife Department cannot effectively spend that money on parks. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Background From the desert wilderness of Big Bend Ranch State Park to the bayous and live oaks of Brazos Bend State Park, our parks system is a big part of what makes Texas special. Our parks help protect drinking water supplies and wildlife habitat, provide countless recreation opportunities, and are home to some of the most breathtaking views in America. Shamefully ranked 49th in the nation in per-capita spending on state parks, the Legislature has willfully let our state parks go without even the minimal support needed to maintain them, never mind acquiring new land for our state's rapidly growing population. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram while state government increased spending for services generally by 68 percent between 1990 and 2003 -- it decreased spending on parks by 34 percent. The good new is that Rep. Harvey Hilderbran has filed HB 6, legislation which would increase funding for state parks by more than $85 million. The bill already has 71 co-sponsors, which means we have a great chance of success. But the issue is far from over. Several weeks ago, Gov. Perry appeared to back away from campaign promises to fully fund the parks, saying that perhaps some of the money should be refunded to taxpayers as rebates. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Sincerely, Luke Metzger Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org http://www.environmenttexas.org P.S. Thanks again for your support. Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends. -- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:24:51 + From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com From: Luke Metzger, Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: January 31, 2007 11:10:41 AM CST Subject: Environment Texas : Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks Hello, Last year during the gubernatorial campaign, Governor Perry pledged support for full funding for our state parks system. Unfortunately, he has since backed away from that position, telling the Fort Worth Star-Telegram he thinks the Parks and Wildlife Department cannot effectively spend that money on parks. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Background From the desert wilderness of Big Bend Ranch State Park to the bayous and live oaks of Brazos Bend State Park, our parks system is a big part of what makes Texas special. Our parks help protect drinking water supplies and wildlife habitat, provide countless recreation opportunities, and are home to some of the most breathtaking views in America. Shamefully ranked 49th in the nation in per-capita spending on state parks, the Legislature has willfully let our state parks go without even the minimal support needed to maintain them, never mind acquiring new land for our state's rapidly growing population. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram while state government increased spending for services generally by 68 percent between 1990 and 2003 -- it decreased spending on parks by 34 percent. The good new is that Rep. Harvey Hilderbran has filed HB 6, legislation which would increase funding for state parks by more than $85 million. The bill already has 71 co-sponsors, which means we have a great chance of success. But the issue is far from over. Several weeks ago, Gov. Perry appeared to back away from campaign promises to fully fund the parks, saying that perhaps some of the money should be refunded to taxpayers as rebates. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Sincerely, Luke Metzger Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org http://www.environmenttexas.org P.S. Thanks again for your support. Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends. -- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:24:51 + From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com From: Luke Metzger, Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: January 31, 2007 11:10:41 AM CST Subject: Environment Texas : Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks Hello, Last year during the gubernatorial campaign, Governor Perry pledged support for full funding for our state parks system. Unfortunately, he has since backed away from that position, telling the Fort Worth Star-Telegram he thinks the Parks and Wildlife Department cannot effectively spend that money on parks. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Background From the desert wilderness of Big Bend Ranch State Park to the bayous and live oaks of Brazos Bend State Park, our parks system is a big part of what makes Texas special. Our parks help protect drinking water supplies and wildlife habitat, provide countless recreation opportunities, and are home to some of the most breathtaking views in America. Shamefully ranked 49th in the nation in per-capita spending on state parks, the Legislature has willfully let our state parks go without even the minimal support needed to maintain them, never mind acquiring new land for our state's rapidly growing population. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram while state government increased spending for services generally by 68 percent between 1990 and 2003 -- it decreased spending on parks by 34 percent. The good new is that Rep. Harvey Hilderbran has filed HB 6, legislation which would increase funding for state parks by more than $85 million. The bill already has 71 co-sponsors, which means we have a great chance of success. But the issue is far from over. Several weeks ago, Gov. Perry appeared to back away from campaign promises to fully fund the parks, saying that perhaps some of the money should be refunded to taxpayers as rebates. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Sincerely, Luke Metzger Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org http://www.environmenttexas.org P.S. Thanks again for your support. Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends. -- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:24:51 + From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com From: Luke Metzger, Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: January 31, 2007 11:10:41 AM CST Subject: Environment Texas : Ask Gov. Perry to Save Texas Parks Hello, Last year during the gubernatorial campaign, Governor Perry pledged support for full funding for our state parks system. Unfortunately, he has since backed away from that position, telling the Fort Worth Star-Telegram he thinks the Parks and Wildlife Department cannot effectively spend that money on parks. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Background From the desert wilderness of Big Bend Ranch State Park to the bayous and live oaks of Brazos Bend State Park, our parks system is a big part of what makes Texas special. Our parks help protect drinking water supplies and wildlife habitat, provide countless recreation opportunities, and are home to some of the most breathtaking views in America. Shamefully ranked 49th in the nation in per-capita spending on state parks, the Legislature has willfully let our state parks go without even the minimal support needed to maintain them, never mind acquiring new land for our state's rapidly growing population. According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram while state government increased spending for services generally by 68 percent between 1990 and 2003 -- it decreased spending on parks by 34 percent. The good new is that Rep. Harvey Hilderbran has filed HB 6, legislation which would increase funding for state parks by more than $85 million. The bill already has 71 co-sponsors, which means we have a great chance of success. But the issue is far from over. Several weeks ago, Gov. Perry appeared to back away from campaign promises to fully fund the parks, saying that perhaps some of the money should be refunded to taxpayers as rebates. Please sign our petition to Governor Perry asking him to live up to his campaign promise and support full funding for our parks. Then, ask your friends to do the same by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click on the link below or copy and paste it into your web browser: https://www.environmenttexas.org/action/preserving-texas?id4=ES Sincerely, Luke Metzger Environment Texas Advocate lu...@environmenttexas.org http://www.environmenttexas.org P.S. Thanks again for your support. Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends. -- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
admin email and list bounces
For those of you who post to the list, you have probably been seeing some weird admin or bounce messages. These are safe to ignore and delete. Please do so with my apologies. The problem is hopefully resolved and no one will get anymore of these. If you do after a day or so, please forward one to me and let me know about it. Again, my apologies for it, but hopefully I'll get my act together and won't let it happen again. Charles Cavetex email list maintainer and server hobbyist :)
Re: [Texascavers] admin email and list bounces
Thanks Bill :) Bill Bentley wrote: Charles and the list, I commend you for your efforts, I of all people know how demanding the maintenance of a mailing list can be at times... I know all of the Texas Caving community and others outside the state appreciate your dedication. Live Long and Cave Safely, Bill Bentley
Re: [Texascavers] admin email and list bounces
Thanks RD :) RD Milhollin wrote: Thanks for keeping this working. RD
Re: [Texascavers] admin email and list bounces
Thank you Tammy :) Tammy Cox wrote: Charles, I also want to thank you for all the time and hard work you put into maintaining the list. Tammy Cox State Farm Insurance Phone: 817 237-8218 Fax: 817 238-9117 -Original Message- From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] admin email and list bounces Charles and the list, I commend you for your efforts, I of all people know how demanding the maintenance of a mailing list can be at times... I know all of the Texas Caving community and others outside the state appreciate your dedication. Live Long and Cave Safely, Bill Bentley - Original Message - From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: [Texascavers] admin email and list bounces For those of you who post to the list, you have probably been seeing some weird admin or bounce messages. These are safe to ignore and delete. Please do so with my apologies. The problem is hopefully resolved and no one will get anymore of these. If you do after a day or so, please forward one to me and let me know about it. Again, my apologies for it, but hopefully I'll get my act together and won't let it happen again. Charles Cavetex email list maintainer and server hobbyist :)
Re: [Texascavers] Speleo Digest editor sought
Scott, I'd be interested in a bit more information about this. How does one collect all of the information, newsletters, etc? Many a grotto or IO editor begs and pleads for information, so hopefully the Speleo editors don't have to do the same. How big is a typical Digest (I just ordered my first), I'd never heard of this book :) Sorry for all of the questions :/ Charles speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote: NSS Needs You and a couple of good pals By: Scott Fee (Birmingham, Alabama) scott...@bellsouth.net The Speleo Digest is the one of the most popular books the NSS publishes, and certainly the most unusual. You've probably got at least one on your bookshelf. If you don't, then why not? The Speleo Digest showcases the best in caving articles, artwork, humor, prose and cartoons from an entire year's worth of grotto newsletters. This is by far the best way for you to keep up with developments in caving around the nation and even the globe. But.we've come to a standstill. No editors. I'm looking for editors for future Speleo Digest issues. Yes, it is a bunch of work, and producing an issue will occupy your time for many months -- BUT it is a fun and interesting project (I know -- I've worked on or edited five issues) and not to mention you will get in touch with a lot of cavers around the country, and your name will be on the cover of a book. Naturally, you could do it yourself, but it would make a great grotto project with three or four dedicated members helping you out. Each Editor is responsible for selecting articles and other items to be included in the Speleo Digest, gathering the articles, graphics, photos, and what not, and producing the books final manuscript. The Series Editor is there to help and guide you as well as overseeing publishing of the book once the manuscript has been completed. Of course you may delegate tasks to a committee of assistants. Interested? Got the time, a computer, and an aptitude for desktop publishing? Willing to round up and lead a production team utilizing some of your caver buddy's? Please contact me! Scott Fee scott...@bellsouth.net scott...@bellsouth.net Don't let the 2003 issue be the last Speleo Digest ever. We need your help! http://www.caves.org/pub/speleodigest/ Permission is given to repost this anywhere. Please help get the word out! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Step Sister Ellie
Folks, don't sweat posting email to our beloved Cavetex if you are worried about saving the environment. Our server is fueled many hamsters that only eat pure, natural corn grown here in Texas. They are very fit and healthy, and produce clean energy for our postings :) The diesel generator I have attached for backup power purposes isn't quite so clean, but the power has been stable lately, knock on wood! Of course, this was meant in jest, please, no one take my ramblings seriously :) Charles ca...@caver.net wrote: Fritz, I wonder how much energy has been wasted on the Internet by this energy coal/wind turbine/natural gas burning email thread? How much energy does an email use? Electrons per million miles? Bill
Re: [Texascavers] Step Sister Forum - Wind Generators - Political Rally's, etc.
Some people prefer forums, others like mailing lists. For those of you who want to browse our list mail by thread in a web page, there is always the handy archives: http://texascavers.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm.cgi conveniently linked from http://texascavers.com I guess I'm just old school, I prefer my email to come to me via an email program. Web pages are ok, good for searching archives, same with forums. Butch, a suggestion on spammers, etc on your forums, lock it down that new accounts are required to be authorized by an admin. A minor pain for new users to have to wait, and for the admin, but it sounds like you are already in pain :) Also, phpbb has addon modules to require new accounts put in a security code (given via image, usually garbled) so that accounts can't be automatted. If you need help with either of these, let me know, I've setup both on phpbb. Charles Diana Tomchick wrote: While I find the NSS forum to be useful on occasion (http://forums.caves.org/), I haven't yet found unique information on the TSA forum. Everything that's posted there seems to get posted here. Most modern email programs allow you to search by thread, topic, etc. so that's not a huge advantage for the forum. The big advantage (or diadvantage) is that your posting can be around for a very long time for lots of people to see. Diana On Feb 12, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Butch Fralia wrote: And speaking of servers powered by alternate wind sources, uh energy sources, this is a reminder that there's this neat forum set up over at: http://forum.cavetexas.org. The forum was originally implemented after a discussion that involved many of the folks on CaveTex about how nice it would be to have a place where off topics, on topics and whatever's could be taken. Many people (other than Bill Mixon) seemed to support the idea at first. I don't think many of the supporters ever bothered to register. The cool thing about a forum is that threads can be kept together so the reader can find all the comments and wise cracks in the same place rather than have to hunt through dozens of e-mails to follow the topic. The poor forum hasn't seen much use since it was put up and frankly without it being use, it's more trouble than it's worth to maintain. Some folks out in Cyberspace have written programs that hunt for Bulletin Boards and register bogus e-mail addresses all so they can get their porno, drug, or other useless website listed in the member list. Mark Alman or I delete as many as 30 of these a day while only 31 TSA members have ever bothered to register. So Topic of Discussion! Do I uninstall it? or do some of these discussions get to move over there? Feel free to take my comments seriously. Butch Fralia
Re: [Texascavers] Step Sister Forum - Wind Generators - Political Rally's, etc.
It's possible, the archiving software I use does its best to strip out email addresses from the archives: http://texascavers.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm.cgi?mss:2895:200702 But when people reply, sometimes their email program quotes the real address and the software goofs on it and displays it. It's not perfect, but it's the best that I have been able to do. Spam is a way of life these days, there are so many different ways to get people's email addresses. My mail logs on the server show dictionary attacks against every one of my domains, looking for valid email boxes that don't bounce. If enough people asked me to take the archives down or password protect them, then I would, I just haven't taken the time to setup a better system. Butch Fralia wrote: I think I've answered my own question but since you brought this subject up, can an e-mail harvesting spider get to the list to harvest e-mail addresses. Since you don't have to log into anything to get to the archives, it could be spidered. Fritz Holt just sent me an e-mail about getting a lot of spam and wondered if it was because he was on the list. I told him he probably registered for something somewhere that his e-mail address was sold to a spam list. I learned from the Beach-Comber BBS there's a command you can give an Apache Server that will show all the list servers and list addresses. Whatever it is they've turned it off because so many lists have been getting spammed. Butch
Re: [Texascavers] Clapper LED light
David, just a heads up, but your pc's date is way off, reporting May 1999. dlocklea...@peoplepc.com wrote: Finally - what took so long? The Clapper LED flashlight is now on sale at Gander Mountain. What a great gift for a caver party!! Anybody want to test it and give a report? I think it was $ 30. It is rather bulky, but it beats fumbling for a light when you need to get up in the middle of the night when nature calls. It has a very unique bulb arrangement with lens collators over the bulbs. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Fwd: texascavers Digest 3 Nov 2006 14:36:54 -0000 Issue 162]
Original Message Subject:texascavers Digest 3 Nov 2006 14:36:54 - Issue 162 List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 3 Nov 2006 14:36:54 - From: texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers Digest 3 Nov 2006 14:36:54 - Issue 162 Topics (messages 2250 through 2259): Re: Texas Caver 2250 by: John P. Brooks 2252 by: mark.alman.l-3com.com 2253 by: Linda Palit 2254 by: Don 2256 by: J. LaRue Bills 2258 by: Rod Goke Test 2251 by: keith heuss David - here is your next car 2255 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net a new off-road magazine ? 2257 by: David Re: [FloridaCavers] Alexander Klimchouk library fire 2259 by: CaverArch.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- I still think TSA Officers should consider making the Texas Caver an online newsletter only accessible by paid members. The TSA is a member driven and lead organization. We can do anything the membership decides to do AND decides to support. If the membership wants projects, on line newsletters, a website, a texas caver or an organizational storewe can do it. But we do require a commitment from our members to make it happen. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- FWIW, we have a ballot coming out soon for TSA officer elections. We could include a motion to approve/disapprove an online Texas Caver. Just imagine how much money this would free up for the TSA to use on other things. If folks still wanted one mailed to them or had zero/poor Internet access, we could do that. Using the Activities Newsletter, as an example, Jerry did a great job on it and reading it online only took nothing away from it. If someone wanted to print it out, go ahead. Just my two cents and this is an idea worth considering, IMHO. Mark Alman Editor - The TC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This electronic mail transmission is confidential, may be privileged and should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete it from your system. From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:48 AM To: David Locklear; Darla; Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Texas Caver I still think TSA Officers should consider making the Texas Caver an online newsletter only accessible by paid members. The TSA is a member driven and lead organization. We can do anything the membership decides to do AND decides to support. If the membership wants projects, on line newsletters, a website, a texas caver or an organizational storewe can do it. But we do require a commitment from our members to make it happen. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Better check the constitution and bylaws on that ballot. How does it need to be authorized, or does it? What type of ballot is binding, and does it have to be done at a meeting? I have mixed emotions about an online Caver, but am fine with the decision of the majority. Linda -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:00 PM To: John P. Brooks; David Locklear; Darla; Cavers Texas Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Texas Caver FWIW, we have a ballot coming out soon for TSA officer elections. We could include a motion to approve/disapprove an online Texas Caver. Just imagine how much money this would free up for the TSA to use on other things. If folks still wanted one mailed to them or had zero/poor Internet access, we could do that. Using the Activities Newsletter, as an example, Jerry did a great job on it and reading it online only took nothing away from it. If someone wanted to print it out, go ahead. Just my two cents and this is an idea worth considering, IMHO. Mark Alman Editor - The TC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This electronic mail transmission is confidential, may be privileged and should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete it from your system. _ From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:48 AM To: David Locklear; Darla; Cavers Texas Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Texas Caver I still think TSA Officers should consider making the Texas Caver an online newsletter only accessible by paid members. The TSA is a member driven and lead
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Hey Bill, long time no chatter. It's my small way of contributing. It's easier to contribute when its something we do for our jobs anyway and already have the resources available to get the task accomplished. I typically only get one or two emails a month about he mailing list, usually just a question or asking for digest access. It literaly only takes me minutes to maintain the list over the month, so its no work. I initally invested very little money and only a few hours to move and setup the mailing list from Bill Bentley. No muss and no fuss, and everyone is happy. See you underground! speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Charles, Thank you very much for taking care of this chore. Bill -- Original message -- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me ton ight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com T o unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Thanks Russ, I didn't get a chance to see that writeup. Very poetic! Johnson, Russ wrote: Charles, I think this is very cool news. I thought you might enjoy the post below from the previous century, when, as I vaguely recall, flaming arguments and mass unsubscribing roughly coincided with the moving the cavetex email server. And when, apparently, I was in the mood to wax poetic. Take care, Russ K. Johnson 1207 Ford St. Llano, TX 78643 -Original Message- From: Johnson, Russ [mailto:johns...@mail.rfweston.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:39 PM To: cave...@mailing-list.net Subject: CaveTex: Eulogy Some will say that Cavetex is better off now. We needed only accept Cavetex and we would be served. It was out there for us. For each of us. -- Texas Caver Cavetex suffered a brutal bought with self destructivism several weeks ago. Self doubt and noisy confidence took up arms, heaping insult upon injury. Everyone could see. Everyone knew. By Cavetex' own nature, our friend did not hide the intensifying conflict. This must certainly have put the caretakers of our soon forgotten patron on alert. And to be sure they took steps to stop the hemorrhaging. But our precious friend never did recover, choosing instead to die nobly. It is as painful as it is plain, to those who knew and loved Cavetex, that too much was lost. In the silent vacuum of the calm after the storm, our companion had no choice but to withdraw...there was nothing left to show, nothing more to share. Who in our community can say that they do not notice; the once fertile fields of discussion now lay barren. The cure worse than the disease...Cavetex knew this. And rather than be subject to such treatment from those it lived to serve, Cavetex has chosen not to live. And it will be our loss. We will all miss Cavetex and reminisce about the long gone days when we all were part of the Golden Age of Cavetex. We will delude ourselves into believing that it was not our fault. We will inevitably forget our shame. Cavetex would not want us to mourn. Not having such a collection of eccentrics to deal with will be a peaceful and welcome change I'm sure. I'll bet Cavetex sensed the fast approaching rapture, and faithfully laid down everything, I say to you, acquiesced to the pulling of the plug, for our sake...but who am I to eulogize... And be forewarned...my fellow cavers and friends, I submit that any reinvention or supposed reincarnation of the old is not the same. Cavetex is dead. A new server should be called by another name. Perhaps comfortless substitute is appropriate, or maybe Empty Holetex. But I condemn any attempt to name an imposter Cavetex as tasteless at best, and at worst...sacrilegious. Russ Johnson UT Grotto Caver, amateur satirist, and future evangelical magnate NSS43751 -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:54 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative update Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] CHANGE of email address
Stephen, just to clarify, are you asking me to update your address in the database, or are you just notifying everyone for their personal address book updates? Either way, doesn't matter, just making sure that you didn't need my assistance with the mailing list. Cheers Charles Stephen Fleming wrote: Please note that effective Feb 1, my current email address of swca...@warpdriveonline.com will be terminated due to a relocation *Until further notice, please use swca...@yahoo.com* After Jan 31 all mail to swca...@warpdriveonline.com will bounce Thanks Stephen Fleming
Re: [Texascavers] CHANGE of email address
Ok, it's set, let me know if you have any problems. Charles Stephen Fleming wrote: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote: Stephen, just to clarify, are you asking me to update your address in the database, I hadn't thought of that. Yes, please update. Thanks.
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update
Unfortunately cavetex is not a good place for example code. What I know is all self taught, and most of my computer training is all self taught as well. I didn't design http://texascavers.com, I aquired the website when I took over the mailing list and I've only done minor updates, never going back and cleaning up the code to make it fully compliant and correct, that takes time and hobbies get limited amounts of my time :) I'll be happy to answer questions though, if you see something, and want to know how I did it, or why, I'll do the best I can to answer. Good luck! Charles Rick Corbell wrote: Charles, Thanks for all your work on behalf of keeping us cavers connected. I have profound respect for you folks who have charged into the inner workings of the web. I have just started an online HTML course. This week's first lesson is really scary. I'll be interested in checking what I can learn from the source code on cavetex and maybe help Randy Baker with our Bexar Grotto site. Where did you learn html?? Rick Corbell From: /Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org/ To: /texascavers@texascavers.com/ Subject: /[Texascavers] Administrative update/ Date: /Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:53:41 -0600/ Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems around here. A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one. This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a great year! Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2731??PS=47575
Re: [Cowtown] RE: [Texascavers] Announcing Texas Cavers Reunion 2006
She will now, her address wasn't subscribed. Charles Langevin, John wrote: RD, Heather still isn't getting grotto e-mails. Her address is hft...@aol.com. John
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Mark, David, both are very good ideas. Our wonderful cavetex (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member. But as a member, I'm here to help out as necessary. I do have the skills and ability to host another forum for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in list for direct TSA discussions. We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin board system. This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost. Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list. Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Superior write-up, thanks for posting it! I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have. *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net] *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM *To:* Cavetex *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, probably many times. There are issues that I believe need to be discussed. I believe the best way to do that is on the internet on a forum separate but similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For example, the e-mail box clutter. And who is going to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for that. *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial* *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.* ** *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the proverbial * *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of gathering * *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. * ** *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said someone done somebody wrong songs of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago* *need not apply.* *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to generally BS.* ** *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be members.* I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning the future of the TSA. For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving photos to people in slide shows. Soon you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma screens to view the photos in the privacy of our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have web-conventions. I am willing to go so far as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an outdoor convention. How many of us will be still be around in 2030. I will only be a young 66, so for me it is something to that is plausible.I think if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when we go caving with carbide. *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all the more vital and important. * ** *This from a longtime caver who just attended his first convention this year!* ** *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant to issue disparaging remarks if that person is right in front of them. Email and the 'Net make it too easy issue to trash someone or to send an email or remark that is interpreted the wrong way.* ** *Does the TSA have issues and the occasional dysfunctional family moment, as my lovely wife likes to call them? * ** *Heck, yes, but which family out there doesn't?! You just don't throw the baby out with the bath water.* ** ** *Can these issues be worked thru and rectified? Sure and I think a dedicated TSA user group is a good first step.* ** ** *Who's with me and whadda y'all think?* ** ** ** *Mark Alman* ** ** ** ** ** **
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end.
Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
Butch, why not just set aside a section in the forums for the newsletters, control access via the forum permissions. I think there is even an addon for phpbb for file archives, but don't hold me to that. Butch Fralia wrote: We have plenty of space 1500MB and more bandwidth that we'll need. Can we get the back issues in PDF format or I can make PDF's for the issues that were done in MS-Publisher. Older caver's I'd put in a public area where anyone can get to them. We can set an aging limit to what's public; six months, a year? The ANL is certainly public. We can have a members area (if you're not in a hurry). It would require so PHP programming that I can do. The problem could be a database for it. If we have the BBS/Forum, it runs off a database and has a user table. The Store also has a registration area and is on a separate database. Unless I write some special interface, there's the opportunity to have even a 3rd database and user registration table. Butch -Original Message- From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:linds...@raytheon.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:20 PM To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Cc: Alman, Mark @ IRP; John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both pictures and back issues of the TC! - Pete Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote: I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see what they say about it. Putting up the old issues would be great in my opinion. Thanks! Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Good to hear, Charles. I think a Members Only section would be great, as well as a link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc. Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver? It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done. Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually constructive AND positive! Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site! Later, Mark -Original Message- From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM To: John P. Brooks Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section and a members only section would be very easy. I understand that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site. It's in very capable hands. I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective member base. And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow. I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers. And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions beneficial to that end.
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!
John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand. I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she won't have a choice :) Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a blurb here for a worthy candidate: *__* _*Store Keeper*_ *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete. Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping orders from the online store as they come in.* *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to pass on family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.* *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the convention is over. Get your picture and contact information listed on the Officers/Contacts page.* With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled. Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org mailto:chair...@cavetexas.org or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net, if interested. Later, Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!
Sorry, am in Fort Worth, but will that be a problem? I do plan on attending TCR, this will just ensure that we're there :) John P Brooks wrote: Charles, That would be great! Nope...no one has volunteered for this...and Kara Dittmar and Logan McNatt has been good natured and has just continued to do it. Even though he wants to step aside. I will find out how we can get you plugged into taking this over. Are you in Austin ? John */Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org/* wrote: John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand. I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she won't have a choice :) Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a blurb here for a worthy candidate: *__* _*Store Keeper*_ *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete. Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping orders from the online store as they come in.* *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to pass on family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.* *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the convention is over. Get your picture and contact information listed on the Officers/Contacts page.* With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled. Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net , if interested. Later, Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!
I'm game to help with it, and I have storage space in my office for it, extra garage space if needed. I'd think that most of it was done via mail order, so no problem getting things to people. If not, educate me and we'll rethink it and find a way. John P Brooks wrote: well now... I don't know...The TSA store inventory is stored in Logans garage and at the TSS office. We have a storage room. So I don't know how the logistics of it would work...but if you want to take this on...I am sure we can figure out a solution ! What do you think ? */Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org/* wrote: Sorry, am in Fort Worth, but will that be a problem? I do plan on attending TCR, this will just ensure that we're there :) John P Brooks wrote: Charles, That would be great! Nope...no one has volunteered for this...and Kara Dittmar and Logan McNatt has been good natured and has just continued to do it. Even though he wants to step aside. I will find out how we can get you plugged into taking this over. Are you in Austin ? John */Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith /* wrote: John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand. I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she won't have a choice :) Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a blurb here for a worthy candidate: *__* _*Store Keeper*_ *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete. Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping orders from the online store as they come in.* *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to pass on family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.* *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the convention is over. Get your picture and contact information listed on the Officers/Contacts page.* With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled. Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net , if interested. Later, Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!
yep, got that message, and I'll helpout however. I play to be at the TCR, so can definitely lend my time however. Once we get things ironed out, I'll start getting some volunteers. I'll also gladly help out with the dues work, would make sense to put it all in one spot, since it's all TSA. John P. Brooks wrote: Charles, I just copied you on a message from Kara and my response. Can you take on coordinating the TSA store for TCR ? I understand that Denise, from Austin, has also expressed an interest in working with the store.but she will not be at TCR. But at some point, we should all discuss how the store proceeds in the future...and whom does what...or what everyone wants to do.. So if you are willing to do TCR that would be a big help. I might offer a suggestion...that you recruit a few cavers to cover several store shifts for you...so that you have the opportunity to enjoy TCR and don't have to spend all of your time with the store. See if you can get David Locklear to help sell T Shirts for a few hours! Or ask Darla Bishop to help! I have committed to help the cooks for awhile...and need to help with TSA dues renewals...which we might do out of the store boothso maybe we can coordinate the TSA dues stuff with the store stuff. I am trying to convince Mark Alman to coordinate the dues renewal stuff...so he might have an opinion on how we do this. John Brooks TSA Chairman On 8/30/06 10:35 AM, Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand. I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she won't have a choice :) Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a blurb here for a worthy candidate: *__* _*Store Keeper*_ *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete. Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping orders from the online store as they come in.* *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to pass on family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.* *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the convention is over. Get your picture and contact information listed on the Officers/Contacts page.* With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled. Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org mailto:chair...@cavetexas.org or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net, if interested. Later, Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!
LOL, I like it! Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: OK, John, you convinced me to do the TSA renewal stuff, although, I was glad to help out, anyway. I suggest we just have one big booth with the TSA store, renewals, info, old TC's etc. under one roof. One stop shopping, in other words. I'm also looking into buying a banner (we have a TSA one don't we?) that states: Join the TSA or We Kill This Bat! Before you react in horror, this is a take off of one of the most famous marketing campaigns that National Lampoon put on the Cover of one of their magazines years ago. It worked very well, I might add. Here's a link to it: http://advertka.ru/img/print/lampoon_national_killdog.jpg If y'all think it's too over the top, I won't pursue it. Let me know what I can do to help out, Chuck and John. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:58 PM To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith; Mark Alman; Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening! Charles, I just copied you on a message from Kara and my response. Can you take on coordinating the TSA store for TCR ? I understand that Denise, from Austin, has also expressed an interest in working with the store.but she will not be at TCR. But at some point, we should all discuss how the store proceeds in the future...and whom does what...or what everyone wants to do.. So if you are willing to do TCR that would be a big help. I might offer a suggestion...that you recruit a few cavers to cover several store shifts for you...so that you have the opportunity to enjoy TCR and don't have to spend all of your time with the store. See if you can get David Locklear to help sell T Shirts for a few hours! Or ask Darla Bishop to help! I have committed to help the cooks for awhile...and need to help with TSA dues renewals...which we might do out of the store boothso maybe we can coordinate the TSA dues stuff with the store stuff. I am trying to convince Mark Alman to coordinate the dues renewal stuff...so he might have an opinion on how we do this. John Brooks TSA Chairman On 8/30/06 10:35 AM, Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand. I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she won't have a choice :) Charles Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote: Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a blurb here for a worthy candidate: *__* _*Store Keeper*_ *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete. Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping orders from the online store as they come in.* *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to pass on family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.* *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the convention is over. Get your picture and contact information listed on the Officers/Contacts page.* With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled. Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org mailto:chair...@cavetexas.org or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net, if interested. Later, Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Link to FTP Site
Geary, just an FYI, that ftp site is not responding. Geary Schindel wrote: There have been a number of folks that have inquired about viewing the files for the LiDAR work that was performed at Punkin Cave. Some of you have seen this file during the LiDAR presentation at the TSA Spring meeting. I�ve had it posted on our FTP site at the following link. There are two files on the FTP site, one details the requirements for running for the board of directors for the Authority, the second file is titled Punkin Better. The Punkin Better is the file you want to down load. It is about 77 megs so it will take a while. I would appreciate it if the file would not be used for commercial purposes. However, the file does give an idea of the level of detail that LiDAR can produce. It will run on a MS media player. Please let me know if you have any problems with the file. Geary Schindel ftp://www.edwardsaquifer.org ftp://www.edwardsaquifer.org/
Re: TSA Website
I just figured you were working on it, tried to hit the store with no luck. Will try again later or tomorrow. Butch Fralia wrote: If anyone tries to play TSA website, forum or store for a little bit, the website is apparently down. It's on the same server as maverickgrotto.org. I turned in a trouble report on it, they came back and said they would have to reboot the server, it booted down but didn't boot up. I'd expect that if it's not back up shortly we'll be getting a new server which isn't a bad thing. This is the first time I've had this type of problem with this company since I first started dealing with them four years ago. I guess statistically it's about time. I don't expect it will be down long. Butch Fralia FM Net Design bfra...@fmnetdesign.com HTTP://WWW.FMNETDESIGN.COM http://www.fmnetdesign.com/ 3412 Walton Av Fort Worth, TX, 76133 H: 817-346-2039 C: 817-229-7693 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
Re: TSA Website
It's been working, I received 5 copies of your email about the newsletter over the evening, spread out by a few hours. Butch Fralia wrote: Now if I could just get them to get the mailing list working again, the new newsletter is online and I can't tell nobody! -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:19 PM To: Butch Fralia Subject: Re: TSA Website I just figured you were working on it, tried to hit the store with no luck. Will try again later or tomorrow. Butch Fralia wrote: If anyone tries to play TSA website, forum or store for a little bit, the website is apparently down. It's on the same server as maverickgrotto.org. I turned in a trouble report on it, they came back and said they would have to reboot the server, it booted down but didn't boot up. I'd expect that if it's not back up shortly we'll be getting a new server which isn't a bad thing. This is the first time I've had this type of problem with this company since I first started dealing with them four years ago. I guess statistically it's about time. I don't expect it will be down long. Butch Fralia FM Net Design bfra...@fmnetdesign.com HTTP://WWW.FMNETDESIGN.COM http://www.fmnetdesign.com/ 3412 Walton Av Fort Worth, TX, 76133 H: 817-346-2039 C: 817-229-7693 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.1/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006
[Fwd: [Texascavers] TSA Vertical Training Workshop Sept 29 - Oct 1.]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] TSA Vertical Training Workshop Sept 29 - Oct 1. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:36:22 -0500 From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texascavers@texascavers.com CC: gschin...@mindspring.com Folks, About two months ago, I had announced that TSA was interested in having a vertical training session this fall and I�ve been actively trying to secure a facility. The Boy Scouts have come through and offered their excellent facilities for the weekend of September 29 (Friday evening) to October 1 (Sunday afternoon). The training will be held at Bear Creek Scout Reservation located near Hunt, Texas. I�m in the process of working out the details but I wanted to make the announcement so people can get it on their calendars. Bear Creek is about 25 minutes west of Kerrville. The site has a number of great rappelling sites including 3 drops of 30 to 50 feet and 2 drops of about 120 feet. Basic Vertical Course Outline We will be following the NSS Vertical Section Training Guidelines for the basic vertical training. This will include topics such as selection of appropriate gear, setting up anchors, rappel configurations, rappelling and ascending. Intermediate Vertical Course Outline Depending upon the interest, we may also have an intermediate training program to include rebelays, advanced anchors, haul systems, pickoffs, self rescue and advanced problem solving. The intermediate training will require that you have either completed the basic vertical course or have extensive vertical experience and that you have permission of the instructors. The intermediate program will be limited to 10 - 15 participants and designed around the interests of the participants. Who should attend? Anyone who is either interested in or is actively vertically caving from beginners to the advanced. This is an excellent chance to learn from some of the best vertical cavers in the area, pick up new techniques and brush up on your skill sets. Equipment If you have your own equipment, please feel free to bring it. All equipment will be inspected by an instructor before use. Each student will be required to bring 25 feet of 1-inch tubular climbing webbing with a minimum of 3,800 pound breaking strength (available from your local climbing and backpacking store or by mail order), two locking carabineers, leather gloves, caving or climbing helmet with chin strap, and sturdy boots. Costs Cost of the program materials will be around $20. �m checking on facility fees but they should be pretty nominal. We will have a low instructor to student ratio; however, you must sign up before hand so I will know how many manuals I will need to buy. Also, we will limit the total number of folks so if you sign up, make sure that you show up as you�ll be taking someone else�s spot. Either way, if you sign up, you will be expected to pay for the materials whether you make it or not. When responding to this message, please respond to my EarthLink account at gschin...@mindspring.com mailto:gschin...@mindspring.com and put vertical training in the subject area so that when I scan my spam blocker, I�ll know you�re not trying to get me to invest in some Nigerian bank deal. Also, no complaints that nobody ever asks you to do anything cave related, here is your chance folks. Geary Schindel
[Fwd: [Texascavers] TSA Vertical Training Workshop Sept 29 - Oct 1.]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] TSA Vertical Training Workshop Sept 29 - Oct 1. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:36:22 -0500 From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texascavers@texascavers.com CC: gschin...@mindspring.com Folks, About two months ago, I had announced that TSA was interested in having a vertical training session this fall and I�ve been actively trying to secure a facility. The Boy Scouts have come through and offered their excellent facilities for the weekend of September 29 (Friday evening) to October 1 (Sunday afternoon). The training will be held at Bear Creek Scout Reservation located near Hunt, Texas. I�m in the process of working out the details but I wanted to make the announcement so people can get it on their calendars. Bear Creek is about 25 minutes west of Kerrville. The site has a number of great rappelling sites including 3 drops of 30 to 50 feet and 2 drops of about 120 feet. Basic Vertical Course Outline We will be following the NSS Vertical Section Training Guidelines for the basic vertical training. This will include topics such as selection of appropriate gear, setting up anchors, rappel configurations, rappelling and ascending. Intermediate Vertical Course Outline Depending upon the interest, we may also have an intermediate training program to include rebelays, advanced anchors, haul systems, pickoffs, self rescue and advanced problem solving. The intermediate training will require that you have either completed the basic vertical course or have extensive vertical experience and that you have permission of the instructors. The intermediate program will be limited to 10 - 15 participants and designed around the interests of the participants. Who should attend? Anyone who is either interested in or is actively vertically caving from beginners to the advanced. This is an excellent chance to learn from some of the best vertical cavers in the area, pick up new techniques and brush up on your skill sets. Equipment If you have your own equipment, please feel free to bring it. All equipment will be inspected by an instructor before use. Each student will be required to bring 25 feet of 1-inch tubular climbing webbing with a minimum of 3,800 pound breaking strength (available from your local climbing and backpacking store or by mail order), two locking carabineers, leather gloves, caving or climbing helmet with chin strap, and sturdy boots. Costs Cost of the program materials will be around $20. �m checking on facility fees but they should be pretty nominal. We will have a low instructor to student ratio; however, you must sign up before hand so I will know how many manuals I will need to buy. Also, we will limit the total number of folks so if you sign up, make sure that you show up as you�ll be taking someone else�s spot. Either way, if you sign up, you will be expected to pay for the materials whether you make it or not. When responding to this message, please respond to my EarthLink account at gschin...@mindspring.com mailto:gschin...@mindspring.com and put vertical training in the subject area so that when I scan my spam blocker, I�ll know you�re not trying to get me to invest in some Nigerian bank deal. Also, no complaints that nobody ever asks you to do anything cave related, here is your chance folks. Geary Schindel
Re: [Texascavers] Hybrid car update
David, I drive about 75 miles a day commuting to work. Last year I invested in a small motorcycle http://www.kawasaki.com/HTML/MOTORCYCLES/SPORTBIKES/250r_frame.asp I've got 11k miles on this bike and so far it gets 55 to 60 mpg reliably. My car is a Mustang GT 2001, it only gets 19-21mpg on my commute on the highways. This bike is fun to ride and very low powered as compared to other crotch rockets At 250cc, it still has enough power to outrun just about any car from the line, so accelerating in traffic is no big deal, but isn't powerful enough to pull wheelies or anything crazy. It's top speed is about 90 mph, although I haven't seen that speed on it. It's light, around 300 pounds dry, so doesn't handle strong winds as well as a bigger bike, but for the gas mileage, I can't complain. I bought a new one, with TTL, it cost me right at $3500 For maintenance, I've changed the oil every 4k miles (oil and filter can be purchased at Walmart for that bike, I use regular motor oil), and after 6k miles, I started using synthetic oil. I had to replace the rear tire at 8k miles, cost me $195 mounted and balanced. I've also spent about $600 on gear and accessories. The gear includes a helmet, winter jacket, winter pants, winter gloves, summer jacket, summer pants and summer gloves. I purchased all but the helmet through http://www.newenough.com/index2.htm All of this gear is a must in my opinion, in case of an accident, the armor in all of this will protect me from any road rash, etc. I've also taken the motorcycle safety course which was $150. Even though the oil changes are a bit more often than my car and the tires are more expensive, I'm saving about $200 a month in gas alone, plus it's fun to ride. It took a bit to get used to riding in traffic, and heavy traffic, but I've adapted. I'm saving a lot of miles on my car and enjoying my commute a bit more. I only drive my car when the weather is bad. I don't suggest riding in the rain if you can keep from it, bikes are harder to deal with. Kawasaki has a cheaper bike http://www.kawasaki.com/HTML/MOTORCYCLES/CRUISER/elim125_frame.asp but I wanted the sport bike look, and I've been told this bike is way under powered for it's weight. A lot of the safety courses use this, so if you want to trial ride it, find a course using them. Hope this information helps you Charles David Locklear wrote: My hybrid Honda just passed 191,000 miles.I haven't spent a penny on it, since the last report. Gas mileage for the last tank was 43.2 mpg, but I was driving conservative. In my opinion, the motor/transmission is still mechanically in good shape. I was hoping to have a report on the new Lexus sedan as they are advertising it on the radio. However, these ads are just a trap to lure you into their stores. The sedan has not arrived in Houston yet.Toyota has TV ads now for the hybrid Camry, however, I would be surprised to see one of those until late in the year. I have been researching large motor scooters to see if one might reduce my transportation cost. Does anybody out there know anybody that has one of the big scooters? ( please e-mail me privately ) Here is a futuristic one: http://www.bikeweb.com/images/suzuki_g_strider_30-600.jpg Here is a web-site comparing scooters: http://www.scooterdiva.com/2006guide.html The biggest scooter, a Suzuki, only gets about 4 miles per gallon better than my hybrid car. The scooters seem to end up in the shop often and with more costly repairs than my car.They also only have a range of 200 miles. So it doesn't look like a scooter will cut my transportation cost.Right? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Animated Knot-tying Instruction]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Animated Knot-tying Instruction List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:22:30 + From: speleoste...@comcast.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com From TagNet: Animated Knot-tying Instruction By: Kirk Holland (Austin, Texas) kirkholl...@earthlink.net http://mailcenter.comcast.net/wmc/v/wm/448CDDA80CE73CEA22007601800A040A0A9B9C010A040A9F9C?cmd=ComposeToadr=kirkholland%40earthlink%2Enetsid=c0 A work colleague of mine here in Texas who is a caver pointed out an interesting website: http://tinyurl.com/mhq23. It's a well-done, even cool website that not only clearly shows how a large variety of climbing/caving knots should be properly tied, but also includes a bit of history of specific knots, optional ways of (correctly) tying them, equivalent/better knots and variations for specific purposes, and warnings about how certain knots can be incorrectly tied and/or fail in specific circumstances. (Ther e are also links to other pages and sites with good info.) It seems to me that if not already being done, this site could be useful in some vertical training programs for those learning the ropes, so to speak, and otherwise serve as a refresher/reference for the rest of us, whether one is doing the tying or checking the knots of the person that does. The old cyber-caver, Kirk
[Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]
Butch, do you happen to have a copy of this issue that I could borrow? I was going to buy one from the website, but I haven't had an answer to the email yet. Not sure if I want to tackle building a treadmill, but I wanted to look into it. Thanks! Original Message Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:05:53 -0500 From: J. LaRue Bills jlrbi...@sonoratx.net To: shannon summers sws7...@hotmail.com,Texascavers@texascavers.com References: bay108-f17e26992b47923f5d5b304b5...@phx.gbl Shannon, Texas Caver July/August 2000 shows/explains a treadmill system that works with a long rope and no spicing. I've been very happy with how it works. Jacqui - Original Message - From: shannon summers sws7...@hotmail.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill Not having any luck splicing rope together. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Shannon _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]
Heh, yep, in this digital age, it'd be nice to download a pdf for a small price :) Butch Fralia wrote: That'd make a good argument for copies of the caver being on the TSA website wouldn't it. Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:18 PM To: Fralia, Butch Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill] Butch, do you happen to have a copy of this issue that I could borrow? I was going to buy one from the website, but I haven't had an answer to the email yet. Not sure if I want to tackle building a treadmill, but I wanted to look into it. Thanks! Original Message Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:05:53 -0500 From: J. LaRue Bills jlrbi...@sonoratx.net To: shannon summers sws7...@hotmail.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com References: bay108-f17e26992b47923f5d5b304b5...@phx.gbl Shannon, Texas Caver July/August 2000 shows/explains a treadmill system that works with a long rope and no spicing. I've been very happy with how it works. Jacqui - Original Message - From: shannon summers sws7...@hotmail.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill Not having any luck splicing rope together. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Shannon _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]
Thank you Diana! Diana Tomchick wrote: Hi, Attached is the desired info. Three years ago I asked the same question on Cave Tex and Jacqui Bills sent me these documents. I haven't tried the system but intend to do it someday. Maybe I'll find the time before I'm too old, Diana On Jul 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Butch Fralia wrote: Charles, I've probably got one somewhere but couldn't even guess where. I'd suggest you check with Diana, she has the library right now and it might even be neatly filed. Probably get it at the next grotto meeting. I've copied her in case you don't have her e-mail handy. Butch -Original Message- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:18 PM To: Fralia, Butch Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill] Butch, do you happen to have a copy of this issue that I could borrow? I was going to buy one from the website, but I haven't had an answer to the email yet. Not sure if I want to tackle building a treadmill, but I wanted to look into it. Thanks! Original Message Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:05:53 -0500 From: J. LaRue Bills jlrbi...@sonoratx.net To: shannon summers sws7...@hotmail.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com References: bay108-f17e26992b47923f5d5b304b5...@phx.gbl Shannon, Texas Caver July/August 2000 shows/explains a treadmill system that works with a long rope and no spicing. I've been very happy with how it works. Jacqui - Original Message - From: shannon summers sws7...@hotmail.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill Not having any luck splicing rope together. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Shannon _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax)
Re: [Texascavers] off-topic: consumer tip
Plasma TVs don't last as long, LCD is the wave of the future. Bill Bentley wrote: I recommend LCD over Plasma Picture is noticeably brighter and is not subject to burn in either... Bill - Original Message - *From:* David Locklear mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net *To:* Cavetex mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:20 PM *Subject:* [Texascavers] off-topic: consumer tip This post of for any cavers planning to buy a new plasma TV.( If you are going to watch cave-related documentaries, you need one, right? ) Before you rush out and join the Jones' in getting a new plasma TV, there is something I recommend you look at first. At the CostCo store, they sell a TV cabinet where a remote control raises and lowers the plasma TV into a hideaway compartment. When closed it resembles a buffet-style cabinet and you would never know a TV was inside. But press a button on the remote, and the TV magically rises from the cabinet like something out of a science-fiction movie. It could be called a Motorized Hideaway TV Cabinet, but I think it will get a simpler name like Plasma Pop-up System, and then it will get some fancy acronym, like PPS. So you can tell your neighbors that you just bought a 60 HDTVPPS. I am willing to bet that a large segment of the TV consumers are going to be obsessed with this in the coming years. I am willing to go so far as to say, this idea is almost as significant as the arrival of the TV remote itself, and maybe even the VCR. I doubt this particular cabinet will be a big seller, but it will lead to similar products that are desirable to the TV consumer, such as what you see with in-dash car DVD players. I believe that once people see this, they are going to want a plasma TV; when before, it really wasn't important to them. New TV buyers will someday be faced with a decision between several ways of hiding the TV. Maybe in a few generations, houses will have the TV hidden into the floor. I would like to make a disclaimer: I do not approve of keeping up with Jones', and believe you should continue to watch your tube TV, if it suits you. I would also like to add, that general public spends too much time watching TV. David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] e-mail size
David, email lists are not advisable for mobile's because you can't control what is coming in. People know it's not polite to put attachments, but asking people to watch the size of a text email is a bit much. If you don't have an unlimited data plan, I'd advise you to not subscribe to the mailing list. I'd hate to have someone forget and max your data out with one wrong attachment. At our homepage, http://texascavers.com, there is a handy link to the archives of the mailing list. If you simply must stay connected to our wonderful little list, use the archives. Hopefully this helps everyone out :) Charles David wrote: This post falls under the fyi category. Many of the post vary in size from 1 kB to 3 kB. However, when you include unnecessary text in the post then the size could be over 10 kB. This is something to consider if your wireless data plan has a monthly limit of say 5 MB. David Locklear
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Announcing Texas Cavers Reunion 2006]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Announcing Texas Cavers Reunion 2006 List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:47:22 -0500 From: Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com References: 20060726165401.61069.qm...@web36910.mail.mud.yahoo.com Howdy Y'all, It is that time of the year to announce the location and date for TCR 2006. The 29th Annual TCR will be on the weekend of October 20-22. We are returning to Honey Creek Ranch for all of our fun and festivities. We will have some trips into Honey Creek Cave for those who feel the need to get underground as well as many fun and exciting things above ground. For the latest information about TCR 2006, visit the website at www.oztotl.com/tcr http://www.oztotl.com/tcr. Start making your plans to attend and help make this the best TCR ever! Please forward this email, the information contained in this email, the website for TCR, add this information to your newsletters and/or websites, and pass along any other pertinent information gleaned from this email to all interested parties. All cavers are invited to attend so don't be left out. See y'all there... Allan No electrons were created or destroyed in sending this message.
Administrative Update #2
Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Heh, so far two people have mentioned double postings... either they have two addresses subscribed or something funky in their filter/rule setup. I know that you worked with one of them, Paul Unger, and according to the email headers, his mail server is duplicating them or the client. Both of his emails had the same SMTP id on them, which tells me that it's probably his client ruleset. Not sure about the other, Dave Belski. Any history you can give about either would be appreciated. Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Better you than me! HAHAHAH! Just kidding Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
Actually 3... just figured that out with Dave a bit ago. Easy fix :) Thanks! Bill Bentley wrote: Your right But Dave Belski is subscribed from 2 different addresses... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Heh, so far two people have mentioned double postings... either they have two addresses subscribed or something funky in their filter/rule setup. I know that you worked with one of them, Paul Unger, and according to the email headers, his mail server is duplicating them or the client. Both of his emails had the same SMTP id on them, which tells me that it's probably his client ruleset. Not sure about the other, Dave Belski. Any history you can give about either would be appreciated. Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Better you than me! HAHAHAH! Just kidding Bill - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2 Just a quick note to say that all seems to be running smoothly. However, I've had a couple people contact me with problems pertaining to delivery of the mail, so if you are seeing anything out of the ordinary, please let me know. If anyone needs to contact me, please email me at this address: wo...@justfamily.org and if you don't get a response within 24 hours, use wok...@gmail.com I have the 2nd address in case the mail server isn't routing you properly for any reason and its separate (justfamily.org is operated from the same server as texascavers.com). Your discussions will resume at the regular scheduled time :) Questions, comments or complaints are always welcome Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Administrative Update #2
You are the second person to bring this to my attention. I've seen a couple of the duplicates as well, and I have no idea what's causing that, I can't find a source to it, but will continue to dig. I'll bring up the reply to with everyone in the group. Thanks Bill Mixon wrote: Charles -- Right now, texascavers messages come with the reply to field set to texascavers, which is why we're seeing things that ought to have been sent to the originator of a message, but instead went to everybody. Figure out how to make the reply to field echo the source of the message. Right now the from field shows the original source, but the reply to field does not. I'm getting two copies of many, but not all, of the messages. Mysterious. -- Bill Mixon --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: texascavers
I never realized that (I only joined the list mid last year) and I rarely reply to messages. I'll address it to the group and come up with a consensus. Thanks J. LaRue Bills wrote: Charles, Off and on the reply to setting has been changed (starting back in the CaveTex days). Fairly recently when people hit reply to the reply went to the sender, not to the whole list. Now the reply to is going to the whole list, which has caused at least one person to send to the whole list sensitive info that he thought was going only to the sender. Whichever way it needs to be set, could you send that out on the list so everybody knows to whom they are replying? Thanks, Jacqui
Re: My replies to your questions.......Re: [Texascavers] administrative: Mailing list question for everyone
John, thank you for the input, it's greatly appreciated. This mailing list has a digest option, but I have never tried to use it. My suggestion if you want to try it, subscribe using a test account at first (gmail, yahoo, or 2nd email account, etc) and see how it works as a digest. If you want to try that, reply back with which account you want to try, and I'll set you up. Unfortunately, this is a manual option I have to set per user. As to the financial stuff, the monthly fees are null, however, to get Bill Bentley totally out from under texascavers.com as a domain, I purchased what he had into the domains, $70 worth. If the TSA and/or TCR want to refund some or all of that to me, I won't complain, but I wasn't going asking for it. I'm doing this to help out all cavers, because I love caving and want to help out where I can. As I put in one of my initial messages, I've added google ads to the webpage, any profits will be given out to TSA, TCMA, NSS, etc. If anyone ponies up money for the domain, profits will be given back for reimbursement for the domain charges. Hopefully all of that makes sense! Thanks again John Charles John P. Brooks wrote: Charles My vote would be IF you hit Reply ...it goes to the sender.and Reply ALL goes to the entire list. And I have one other suggestionis IF there is an option to receive the daily postings in a digest form...then I could see that option being something appealing. Now I don't want to step on anyones toes or tread on anyones turf. so please don't take these questions in that light. There has been some discussion amongst the TSA officers about how OR if the TSA should be supporting this mailing list from a financial stand point. And I would like to hear what YOU think. Do you want the TSA to fund this OR should it remain as it has worked in the pastwhich I believe is a hat is passed at the TSA convention and also at TCR to solicit donations. I asked Bill Bentley, And he said he thought it should continue to be a privately funded and run mailing listwhich is fine with me. But IF you want funding from the TSA; then we should discuss how that would work. I believe there is some consensus within the TSA Executive Committee that the TSA should be supporting the mailing list. But If it isn't broken---then lets not fix it. What are your thoughts ? Also, I want to thank you for stepping forward and taking this list on...this is an incredible service to Texas Cavers. The TSA and all cavers benefit from having this mailing list available. And the TSA will do whatever we need to do to make certain that you are supported in your efforts. Just let us know what you need. John Brooks TSA Chairman On 3/1/06 6:40 PM, Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: I know I keep bugging everyone with non-caving related items, but just indulge me a bit more if you would please. A few people have mentioned that this list is setup a bit differently than the last host due to the reply button going to the list, instead of the person. I don't reply to enough on the list to have noticed it, but a few of you that do have. The question is, what is the consensus of the group? Most mailing lists have it setup as we do now, reply goes to the list, then reply all if you want to send to just a person and remove the mailing list info. I really don't want 300 people saying yeah or nay, however, I do want some pro's and con's to it. I do not want to go changing things up, I made a mistake when migrating it and don't want to just switch it mid stream, even just a few days later, without a notification or agreement that it's what the majority wants. Thanks for your time Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
administrative: Mailing list question for everyone
I know I keep bugging everyone with non-caving related items, but just indulge me a bit more if you would please. A few people have mentioned that this list is setup a bit differently than the last host due to the reply button going to the list, instead of the person. I don't reply to enough on the list to have noticed it, but a few of you that do have. The question is, what is the consensus of the group? Most mailing lists have it setup as we do now, reply goes to the list, then reply all if you want to send to just a person and remove the mailing list info. I really don't want 300 people saying yeah or nay, however, I do want some pro's and con's to it. I do not want to go changing things up, I made a mistake when migrating it and don't want to just switch it mid stream, even just a few days later, without a notification or agreement that it's what the majority wants. Thanks for your time Charles
Re: [Texascavers] administrative: Mailing list question for everyone
I know everyone thinks this is a lot of work, but it's a hobby of mine (hosting sites, playing around with servers, etc) and so far, I have less than 2 hours invested into this list, so no worries about the work. And besides, switching the list will be changing a checkbox on the admin page. Several people have replied off-list and a few on-list. It seems most people don't care one way or other, and the rest seem to want the old way. I'm not going to switch it midstream (catch people off guard), so I'll switch it Friday morning (March 3rd) sometime in the morning. I want to give everyone a chance to get to this email and read it. Again, I welcome comments, questions, complaints, etc, so feel free to continue sending me feedback, either on list or off. Thanks! Charles germa...@aol.com wrote: Hi Charles You've already taken on a huge responsibility, and more work than you need, by keeping this site up and running. I would hope that TexasCavers email users can take the time to REPLY ALL and delete the list serve eddress if they want to respond to only the sender, thus eliminating more work for you. Grateful Recipient of Your Labor -Original Message- From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:40:55 -0600 Subject: [Texascavers] administrative: Mailing list question for everyone I know I keep bugging everyone with non-caving related items, but just indulge me a bit more if you would please. A few people have mentioned that this list is setup a bit differently than the last host due to the reply button going to the list, instead of the person. I don't reply to enough on the list to have noticed it, but a few of you that do have. The question is, what is the consensus of the group? Most mailing lists have it setup as we do now, reply goes to the list, then reply all if you want to send to just a person and remove the mailing list info. I really don't want 300 people saying yeah or nay, however, I do want some pro's and con's to it. I do not want to go changing things up, I made a mistake when migrating it and don't want to just switch it mid stream, even just a few days later, without a notification or agreement that it's what the majority wants. Thanks for your time Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscribe%40texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-help%40texascavers.com
Re: TexasCavers options
Hi Alex, digesting is available, but for whatever reason, I have to set it from the admin console, a user can't subscribe as digest. If you like, I can set this. I have never tested it (I prefer to have rules place the emails into a sub-folder as they come in). If you would like to try this, let me know and I'll adjust your email address. Thanks for the input! Charles Alex Sproul wrote: Hi, Charlie -- Let me add my thanks for keeping this list going. I have a question, which doesn't seem to be answered by anything I can get from the listserv. Is digesting available? This list is more active than any other I know of, and it's really crowding my mailbox. A single daily digest would really be nice. And let me add my $.02 to the reply issue. My take on this convention is that when you click reply to a list message, it should be assumed you are replying to the list. If you want to reply privately, just click on the person's address. What could be more logical than that? If the reverse were true, many conversations would continue on off-list (inadvertently or otherwise), and everybody would lose... Cheers, Alex
Re: [Texascavers] drinks
As a hillbilly, I take offense to that joke! :p Charles Gill Ediger wrote: A pompous minister was seated next to a hillbilly on a flight across the country. After the plane was airbourne, drink orders were taken. The hillbilly asked for a whiskey and soda which was brought and placed before him. The flight attendant then asked the minister if he would like a drink. He replied in disgust, I'd rather be savagely raped by brazen whores than let liquor touch these lips. The hillbilly then handed his drink back to the flight attendant and said, Shit, me too. I didn't know we had a choice.
Re: [Texascavers] drinks
Heh, it's all good, funny joke! Gill Ediger wrote: At 08:40 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote: As a hillbilly, I take offense to that joke! :p Actually, that wasn't supposed to go to CaveTex, anyhow. I forgot to edit the To: line. One of the dangers of it. --Ediger
Re: [Texascavers] Wanted Store Manger for the TSA
Kara, have you had anyone volunteer for this? Charles Kara Dittmer wrote: This job really only requires a couple hours a month, besides working the conventions. Most everything is set in place already, its just maintaining it. And a good delegator shouldn't have to miss a whole convention or anything. Kara --- Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: WOW! The list of duties and responsibilities would seem to indicate a full time job -Original Message- From: Kara Dittmer [mailto:misskarabi...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Wanted Store Manger for the TSA Dear muddy people, Because of my duties as the Vice-Chair of the TSA, I will not be able to continue on as the Manager of the TSA store. I did enjoy helping out in this way, but I can no longer really give it what it needs to be successful and fresh. SO! We really need some caver to take over the store. It would be great if you can take it over by the spring convention (details coming VERY soon!) because I really need the help. Maybe you have been wondering how you can help the TSA out more, or what you could do to be more involved in the caving organizations of Texas. The Store really is a fun job, and I met more nice people sitting in the store booth, than just attending a convention. If you are curious about what this entails here is a job description of the ideal store manager: The TSA Store Manager does the following: Keeps the physical inventory of the TSA Store secure and accessable for sales. Keeps track of sales for inventory tracking and financial record keeping. Reports to the Executive Council. Reorders needed replacements for sold inventory. Advertises the TSA store. Transports or requests assistance transporting store goods to caver functions. Manages the booth at the TSA Spring Convention and TCR, finds and delegates duties to other helpers. Also possibly: Monitors and administers a Web Based TSA store, ships out orders, and charges credit cards. In more detail: The database of the inventory will be kept up to date at all times. An entire inventory recount will take place after the Spring Convention and TCR. Reports indicating stock levels, recent profits, petty cash, shrinkage, and inventory needs will be submitted to the Executive Council within one month of each event. Petty Cash will be kept up to date. Amounts over $150 will be taken from Petty Cash and transferred to the Treasurer. Small change will be procured by the TSA Store Manager occasionally, for easier transactions during the year. The TSA manager will store the inventory of the TSA store where it is accessable to them to fill orders in a timely manner. The manager will let it be known to the Executive Council when inventory must be replenished. The amount of money to be spent to buy for the store, and the product(s) being purchased will be included in this request. With Executive Council permission, the Manager will place the order for new inventory, arrange the payments with the Treasurer, receive the new inventory, and enter it into inventory records. Also, the manager will let it be known to the executive council when inventory must be reduced in price to be moved out. The council and the manager together can agree on sale prices and terms. The TSA Store Manager will advertise with print ads in: The Texas Caver, The TSA Activities newsletter, statewide grotto newsletters, TCMA Passages, NSS News Any advertising costs will be evaluated and approved before ads are placed by the Store Manager by the Executive Council. As a general rule, 6 of these ads will be placed throughout the year. By word of mouth: A once monthly reminder of the Web Store/ Mailorder availability will be sent to Cavetex. This may be an automated email. A good example of this would include a featured item each month. In addition, taking a small sample of merchandise to as many caver functions as possible, including parties, grotto meetings, and workshops, is highly encouraged. The Store Manager is expected to either load and transport the store to the Spring Convention and TCR or assist in the loading of the trailer for transport. Other help may be procured as the Store Manager sees fit. The Store Manager will manage the Booth at the Spring Convention and TCR including providing inventory tracking methods, petty cash, change, and recruiting help to man the store. Set up and Take down are an important part of this process. Possibly in the future, strongly consider: Once the TSA web store has been built, the TSA Store Manager will monitor this system by logging in and responding to sales on the website, charging credit cards and shipping goods in a timely manner. (Shipped within at least 4 days of the order being placed) Some familiarity with this system will have to be gained. They will be assisted with the technical part of the set up of the store as needed. Please don't
Re: [Texascavers] Wanted Store Manger for the TSA
Heh, that's kinda the stance I was taking. I was hinting to my wife to take it, but she didn't take the bait :) We'll talk about it a bit more and I'll let you know. I was also going to volunteer my help to get a website up for the gear. I'll be in touch Charles Kara Dittmer wrote: I have had one inquiry... if no one else comes forward I'll consider it more ... are you interested? Kara --- Charles \wokka\ Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Kara, have you had anyone volunteer for this? Charles Kara Dittmer wrote: This job really only requires a couple hours a month, besides working the conventions. Most everything is set in place already, its just maintaining it. And a good delegator shouldn't have to miss a whole convention or anything. Kara --- Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: WOW! The list of duties and responsibilities would seem to indicate a full time job -Original Message- From: Kara Dittmer [mailto:misskarabi...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:08 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Wanted Store Manger for the TSA Dear muddy people, Because of my duties as the Vice-Chair of the TSA, I will not be able to continue on as the Manager of the TSA store. I did enjoy helping out in this way, but I can no longer really give it what it needs to be successful and fresh. SO! We really need some caver to take over the store. It would be great if you can take it over by the spring convention (details coming VERY soon!) because I really need the help. Maybe you have been wondering how you can help the TSA out more, or what you could do to be more involved in the caving organizations of Texas. The Store really is a fun job, and I met more nice people sitting in the store booth, than just attending a convention. If you are curious about what this entails here is a job description of the ideal store manager: The TSA Store Manager does the following: Keeps the physical inventory of the TSA Store secure and accessable for sales. Keeps track of sales for inventory tracking and financial record keeping. Reports to the Executive Council. Reorders needed replacements for sold inventory. Advertises the TSA store. Transports or requests assistance transporting store goods to caver functions. Manages the booth at the TSA Spring Convention and TCR, finds and delegates duties to other helpers. Also possibly: Monitors and administers a Web Based TSA store, ships out orders, and charges credit cards. In more detail: The database of the inventory will be kept up to date at all times. An entire inventory recount will take place after the Spring Convention and TCR. Reports indicating stock levels, recent profits, petty cash, shrinkage, and inventory needs will be submitted to the Executive Council within one month of each event. Petty Cash will be kept up to date. Amounts over $150 will be taken from Petty Cash and transferred to the Treasurer. Small change will be procured by the TSA Store Manager occasionally, for easier transactions during the year. The TSA manager will store the inventory of the TSA store where it is accessable to them to fill orders in a timely manner. The manager will let it be known to the Executive Council when inventory must be replenished. The amount of money to be spent to buy for the store, and the product(s) being purchased will be included in this request. With Executive Council permission, the Manager will place the order for new inventory, arrange the payments with the Treasurer, receive the new inventory, and enter it into inventory records. Also, the manager will let it be known to the executive council when inventory must be reduced in price to be moved out. The council and the manager together can agree on sale prices and terms. The TSA Store Manager will advertise with print ads in: The Texas Caver, The TSA Activities newsletter, statewide grotto newsletters, TCMA Passages, NSS News Any advertising costs will be evaluated and approved before ads are placed by the Store Manager by the Executive Council. As a general rule, 6 of these ads will be placed throughout the year. By word of mouth: A once monthly reminder of the Web Store/ Mailorder availability will be sent to Cavetex. This may be an automated email. A good example of this would include a featured item each month. In addition, taking a small sample of merchandise to as many
Re: [Texascavers] a few things
Done, let me know how it works for you. Charles Louise Hose wrote: I would love to switch to a digest version of the list (to this address). Too many babbles! Thanks, Louise D. Hose, Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 1400 Commerce Drive, Suite 102 Carlsbad, NM 88220 lh...@nckri.org 505-887-5517 www.nckri.org
Re: [Texascavers] Job Status....
Bill, I know that he listed that email as it going out to the mailing list, but it did not hit the list, it's not in the archives and I didn't get it to either of my accounts. It could be that fluke that I'm still chasing, but I don't see how it got out to the list and not get posted to the archives. A search of the unix file system with grep didn't show him posting anything to the list. I'm glad the email didn't get to the list, it wasn't appropriate and I was about to slam him for it in a private email, until I couldn't find it in my texascavers folder, except for this one that you cc'd me on (I'm guessing it was a bcc). Thanks for the heads up, but let me know what you think about the email Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Merry Christmas to YOU too... Why did you put your reply to the whole list? What did it have to do with being cave related? I know 90% of the people on the list so that is why and Geez there is a lot of NON related stuff on here. So MR. Preston Knodell III I really don't care that you don't care! Bill Former keep of the mailing list! - Original Message - From: Preston Knodell III pknod...@hotmail.com To: cave...@cox.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Job Status All, What is this non cave related whining doing here? I don't care about your job. Or if you lose it. Happens every day. Grow up. PK3 From: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net To: A Texas Caving Remailer for Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com CC: p...@caver.net,New Mexico E-Mailing List nmca...@caver.net Subject: [Texascavers] Job Status Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:29:15 -0600 Greetings, As most of you all know the company I work for is in the process of being sold, which is scheduled for completion next month. For the last month and a half I have been stressed out with the possibility of losing my job. 3-7-06 was D-Day so to speak. You always hear about it happening to the other guy and it never happens to you. Well yesterday 45 people within the West Texas Region were given their severance packages along with over a hundred or so in the Cox Mid America region. Most were in management, but a few were in positions that were duplicated and being eliminated. I managed to make the cut and am still employed. Much to my relief! I appreciate everyone's thoughts and kind words. After having worked at the same place for the last 25 years I did not relish the idea of job hunting and or possibly relocating... Bill _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: [Texascavers] a few things
Bill, if you'd like to contribute, play around with the software (I know time is a valued commodity), login and try it. login: caveman pw: cave987 (can change it once you login) I don't upload the pic via the website, I ftp them up then point it appropriately... so let me know how that works out If you have questions, let me know Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Works for me... I have several thousand caving pictures on the hard drive.. Bill - Original Message - From: wo...@justfamily.org To: cave...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a few things Thanks for the kind words... as always, we try to do the best we can. I'd like your thoughts on something, I'd like to put up a picture repository for the list and all cavers, something that if people want to, can upload pictures for the sharing (caving related). I don't know of one for the texas caving community (I'm fairly new to this group), so if you know of one that is already in place, let me know. To forward this idea, I threw up a quick page and dropped a couple of pictures in place to see how it looks: http://texascavers.com/gallery2/main.php This is not for public consumption, so please don't forward that anywhere. Search engines won't be able to find it either. Just want your thoughts on it. Thanks Charles, It's a shame about the cavetex domain, I think there are forces at work that when they see you inquiring about a domain and then they somehow grab it up in an attempt to make money...I don't have caver.com, and it was snatched up minutes before I tried... One second it was availabble then when I filled out the forms on line... it was not available...Mike Speiss, the registrant said he just happened to register it... What a coincidence... Back to cavetex...Tom White seemed bitter about something when I contacted him about transfering to me...Well Charles I think you are doing a great job... Glad you stepped up to bat Thanks, Bill From: wo...@justfamily.org Date: 2006/03/09 Thu AM 09:02:21 EST To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] a few things Just a few little things. Those of you who are interested in a digest version of this list, email and let me know which email address you want switched over. I wish there was an automatted way people could do that, but I haven't found it yet. It's not listed in the help or faq. We have a few people using it now and report that it works nicely. I was hoping to snag the cavetex.net domain after it had expired, but it seems a Kenya company has grabbed it and put a link/search ad selling service on it the web page and a broken link to purchase the domain. Register.com was trying to sell it for $200 and I didn't want to spend that much on it. It's registered for a year. Perhaps in the future I'll be able to grab it for the normal registry rates and will forward that domain to texascavers.com. Things are running smoothly around here, please let me know if I can help in any way. Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] a few things
Done, please let me know how it works out. Charles Mike Flannigan wrote: Yes please. Put me on the digest version. Mike Flannigan mikef...@earthlink.net wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
Re: [Texascavers] a few things
Robert, you are setup as digest now, let me know how it works out for you. Not much effort involved, and you are welcome for it. Charles Robert Albach wrote: Hi Charles, Thanks for taking on this effort. If there is a digest offering then I would like to take advantage of it. ralb...@austin.rr.com Thanks again, Robert wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Just a few little things. Those of you who are interested in a digest version of this list, email and let me know which email address you want switched over. I wish there was an automatted way people could do that, but I haven't found it yet. It's not listed in the help or faq. We have a few people using it now and report that it works nicely. I was hoping to snag the cavetex.net domain after it had expired, but it seems a Kenya company has grabbed it and put a link/search ad selling service on it the web page and a broken link to purchase the domain. Register.com was trying to sell it for $200 and I didn't want to spend that much on it. It's registered for a year. Perhaps in the future I'll be able to grab it for the normal registry rates and will forward that domain to texascavers.com. Things are running smoothly around here, please let me know if I can help in any way. Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] a few things
Your email's are switched over, let me know how it works out on digest. Thanks for the domain info, I'll keep a watch out. Charles Stephen Fleming wrote: wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Those of you who are interested in a digest version of this list, email and let me know which email address you want switched over. swca...@warpdriveonline.com pegmat...@warpdriveonline.com I was hoping to snag the cavetex.net domain after it had expired, but it seems a Kenya company has grabbed it and put a link/search ad selling service on it the web page and a broken link to purchase the domain. Register.com was trying to sell it for $200 and I didn't want to spend that much on it. It's registered for a year. Keep checking, it may come up as available. I recently let a domain name lapse and it was immediately grabbed by a bot. It showed being registered to a Wash DC company and then, a few weeks later, it was shown as being held by a Venezuelan company. Then, shortly after that, I checked one night and it was shown as open. I grabbed it back for the $5.95 registration fee. I suspect that when nobody approached them about buying it, they found that it wasn't so special or valuable after all.
Re: [Texascavers] a few things
The digest is a standard email message, but different email programs interpret it different ways. Which email client do you use and let me see if I can duplicate it. Thanks Charles Q Wilkinson wrote: Well my digest came and I do not have a progam to open it with --? what progam do I need? Quinta
Re: On TagNet about TexasCavers.com
Bill, one thing about me is that I'm not creative... I know enough html to repair something, but I just don't have the artistic side to make a good looking web page. My skill lies in the backend, making web, dns, mail, database, application servers run smoothly. If that is something that I can help out with, sure, I'll help. If its creating a good looking website that flows nicely, I'm not your person :) Charles speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Charles, Are you interested in being TSA Webmaster too? There isn't a lot of work involved. Bill -- Original message -- From: wo...@justfamily.org Pretty cocky, but oh well. I'm damned sure not going to moderate... don't have the time or the want to. Part of the allure of our texas list is that it is open and self moderated. Some of the stuff is OT, but that's ok, it's almost always interesting. Charles, I thought you might find this interesting. Bill TAG-Net By: Alex Sproul (Greenville, Virginia) imoca...@adelphia.net Welcome to TAG-Net, Ron! Nice to see you finally in here! I know what you mean about CaveTex -- it's about the busiest list around, and full of OT posts and me-too's, because it's effectively unmoderated. You'll appreciate that Jeff Dilcher keeps things more on track on TAG-Net. In both cases, I find it's a lot easier to deal with if you get all of a day's posts consolidated into a single daily digest. Only one message in your in-box, no matter how many posts it contains. TAG-Net is digested (wisely, I think) by default, and is sent out daily at midnight. The new TexasCavers list defaults to individual posts, and you can't change that yourself. But you can e-mail the list-monger and have him set it to digest for you. (I think I was the first to request that.) To subscribe, email Charles (Wokka} Goldsmith at . There is no residence requirement or resident endorsement needed, so any TAGer who is interested may join. There's a lot of silliness there still, but some really good stuff, too. Hope to see you at SERA, Ron, and definitely at Capers! Alex -- Alex Sproul, NSS 8086RL/FE 5715 Lee-Jackson Hwy, Greenville VA 24440 540-377-6364
Re: Fw: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But..
Thanks for the heads up Bill, I've emailed him from my gmail account. Charles Bill Bentley wrote: - Original Message - From: Don Cooper wavyca...@hotmail.com To: cave...@cox.net Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But.. Hey Bill, I cant even send a message to wo...@justfamily.org It looks like anything I send to @justfamily.org gets delayed and then failed. I thought I'd remove myself from the mailing list and then resubscibe, but I cant even do this. I hate to complain, but I feel like I'm dealing with trying to straighten something out with the DPS office... -Don C. From: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But.. Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:29:04 -0600 Ah men... - Original Message - From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Homer Simpson tiny_neutr...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But.. Email is not just a science, but an art in how some of the bigger ISP's and information gatherer's deal with it these days. I've posted with two different email accounts, through 4 different mail servers (several ISPs and my own server) and it's all treated differently. My own dsl isp is SBC, and email to a list always takes longer than an email to a person. I think they are purposely doing this to discourage spammers, but that is just a guess. The only thing I can tell you is to be patient. I'm happy that the mail is just flowing :) Charles Homer Simpson wrote: I think there's something broken on this emailer remailer lister. I sent out a mention of The Devil's Sinkhole movie yesterday at about this time, I resent it that evening and it showed up right away as a forwarded message. By midnight, the original it had not gone out and back again. Then, the original showed up this morning. So If the guy that enjoys fixing the unfixable stuff finds this to be his way of having fun, please go for it. (I think there's a leak between the ISP and the NSA) From Springfield Texas, Homer Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39174/*http://photomail.ma i l.yahoo.com makes sharing a breeze. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: FW: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But..
You're welcome, I'm just glad it was an easy fix. Charles Don Cooper wrote: Thanks! (Others might not feel so thankful) -WaV From: wo...@justfamily.org To: Don Cooper wavyca...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: FW: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But.. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:13:43 -0600 (CST) Don, after I made the adjustment in my mail server, allowing the email from hotmail, I received this one. The other emails may filter through now, we'll see. Charles Yeah - I cant even seem to send you a message! Lets see if THIS one makes it. -Don C, From: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But.. Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:29:04 -0600 Ah men... - Original Message - From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Homer Simpson tiny_neutr...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But.. Email is not just a science, but an art in how some of the bigger ISP's and information gatherer's deal with it these days. I've posted with two different email accounts, through 4 different mail servers (several ISPs and my own server) and it's all treated differently. My own dsl isp is SBC, and email to a list always takes longer than an email to a person. I think they are purposely doing this to discourage spammers, but that is just a guess. The only thing I can tell you is to be patient. I'm happy that the mail is just flowing :) Charles Homer Simpson wrote: I think there's something broken on this emailer remailer lister. I sent out a mention of The Devil's Sinkhole movie yesterday at about this time, I resent it that evening and it showed up right away as a forwarded message. By midnight, the original it had not gone out and back again. Then, the original showed up this morning. So If the guy that enjoys fixing the unfixable stuff finds this to be his way of having fun, please go for it. (I think there's a leak between the ISP and the NSA) From Springfield Texas, Homer Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39174/*http://photomail.mai l.yahoo.com makes sharing a breeze. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning
The daemon is kept locked up in a box next to the server, but he gets out every now and then, causes havoc around the server room before he is nabbed and locked back up :) This happens whenever the mail server for texascavers.com can't communicate for a time with your isp's mail server. Once the connection is re-established, it sends out this email to let you know what you missed. If you have any more questions, let me know. Charles Ed Alexander wrote: I don't quite know what is going on here. Is our list master know this ezmlm deamon? -Original Message- From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:21 PM To: eda...@realtime.net Subject: ezmlm warning Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list. I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com. Messages to you from the texascavers mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe bounces, I will remove your address from the texascavers mailing list, without further notice. I've kept a list of which messages from the texascavers mailing list have bounced from your address. Copies of these messages may be in the archive. To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request), send an empty message to: texascavers-get.123_...@texascavers.com To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages, send an empty message to: texascavers-in...@texascavers.com Here are the message numbers: 1 2 3 4 5 --- Enclosed is a copy of the bounce message I received. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5 invoked for bounce); 5 Mar 2006 09:10:08 - Date: 5 Mar 2006 09:10:08 - From: mailer-dae...@raistlin.wokka.org To: texascavers-return...@texascavers.com Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at raistlin.wokka.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. eda...@realtime.net: 205.238.132.69 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 SPF NONE, to fix send an email to allow-hohg-69.56.185...@realtime.net then resend original email, see http://netwinsite.com/allow.htm Giving up on 205.238.132.69. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning
I stay away from penguins, they tend to be bloated :) the verified thing must be a hotmail feature, I have no idea (never used hotmail) about that Check your junk/spam mail for any posts from Edward... spam filters for any mail service almost always catch some list traffic as spam, gmail did it, so does thunderbird whenever I first set that up (freeware/opensource email client). all of the email goes through the server, the From: is left as the original email address, but the mail is really coming from the server, and unless you have a email rule/filter that doesn't like Edward's name, it won't pay attention to that, but from the content hopefully I made my self clear and didn't muddy the cavewater too much with all of this hit me with any questions you have Charles Don Cooper wrote: Hey Charles The worst part of my problem has been resolved. Very Good. There are still some wierd things (If ya find this challenging) One thing I think is odd is that when I post to texascavers, I get a reply to myself, but Hotmail says MY id is unverified (!). Ocassionally people that are on my contacts list are identified as UnVerified (!). Another oddity - it appears that posts generated by Edward Gelstone are not getting to me. I only KNOW about them because other people respond to his posts, and I *then* see them (!) - i.e. THEIR posts, but with his content forwarded. You got some tricky daemons working for you. I think I'd swith to penguins! -DC
[Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning]
FYI Guys, someone I became the Liason :) Charles Original Message Subject:Re: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:28:42 + From: speleoste...@comcast.net To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Charles, Since you're the liaison for next week's NSS BOG meeting, can you work on getting the Cowtown Grotto chairman to drop by the meeting portion of the weekend, on Saturday morning, March 25, at 8:30 a.m. at the Arts and Garden Center on Senter in Irving, to welcome the BOG to Texas? I'll be there as DFW Grotto chairman, Butch as Maverick Grotto Chairman, and is it Roger Mercer? Will you see about getting him there? We'd like just a one paragraph welcome and statement about the Cowtown Grotto. Not a speech. Just a quick paragraph. Bill
Re: [Mav-list] Headcount for NSS BOG meeting in DFW Metroplex this coming weekend
Bill, Tammy and I will be there, Glen hasn't said anything about showing up. We won't be camping in the back yard however. Thanks Charles speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Texas cavers, As you are probably aware, the next meeting of the Board of Governors of the National Speleological Society will be this coming weekend, March 24 - 25, in Irving, Texas, next door to Dallas. There will be caver parties both Friday and Saturday nights, with the big one being Saturday night. We'd like to get an idea of who's coming on which night for the sake of having enough refreshments and snack foods. Also, is anyone planning to camp in the backyard? There's plenty of room. For a schedule of events see the special Web site created for the occasion by Webmaster Butch Fralia, who is also the current chairman of the Maverick Grotto. http://www.maverickgrotto.org/nssbog/ We're hoping for a good turnout of Texas cavers to show support for the NSS and its hardworking officers and directors. Bill Steele D/FW Grotto Chairman ___ Mav-list mailing list mav-l...@maverickgrotto.org http://maverickgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/mav-list_maverickgrotto.org
Re: [Mav-list] Headcount for NSS BOG meeting in DFW Metroplex this coming weekend
Sorry Bill, forgot to include the pertinent information, it will be Saturday night. I'll ask Tammy about your invitation for the back yard :) I've know the cowtowners just as long as I've known you, and yeah, Roger is a bit strange (even for a caver). Not sure if you've noticed or not (and please never repeat this), RD runs that show, Roger is just a puppet. It works out for them I guess. See ya Saturday speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Charles, It's nice that Tammy and you will be coming; which night? Both I hope, but Saturday night's the big shindig. Come and over-drink. Tell Glen that if he's really into caving, he'll never see an assemblage of cavers such as this one in the D/FW Metroplex again. Never before, never again. It won't happen. And what do you have against camping in our backyard? We killed the fire ants. I'll even set a tent up for you (in case you don't know how) and equip it with comfy bedding. You two might just find it romantic. And hey, what's the deal with the Cowtown Grotto chairman? What makes him so aloof? Has he caved more than me or something? I hear about third hand that he can't make it Saturday morning to welcome the officers and directors of the largest caving organization in the world, yet the other two hosting grottos will have their chairmen there, and the TSA chairman will also be there. Maybe Roger can't get off work, who knows? Or maybe there are too many honey-dos and a short leash. But I wrote him and presented a formal request for his presence and got no answer. What's with those Cowtowners, anyhow? See you whenever. Bill -- Original message -- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Bill, Tammy and I will be there, Glen hasn't said anything about showing up. We won't be camping in the back yard however. Thanks Charles speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Texas cavers, As you are probably aware, the next meeting of the Board of Governors of the National Speleological Society will be this coming weekend, March 24 - 25, in Irving, Texas, next door to Dallas. There will be caver parties both Friday and Saturday nights, with the big one being Saturday night. We'd like to get an idea of who's coming on which night for the sake of having enough refreshments and snack foods. Also, is anyone planning to camp in the backyard? There's plenty of room. For a schedule of events see the special Web site created for the occasion by Webmaster Butch Fralia, who is also the current chairman of the Maverick Grotto. http://www.maverickgrotto.org/nssbog/ We're hoping for a good turnout of Texas cavers to show support for the NSS and its hardworking officers and directors. Bill Steele D/FW Grotto Chairman ___ Mav-list mailing list mav-l...@maverickgrotto.org http://maverickgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/mav-list_maverickgrotto.org
Re: [Mav-list] Headcount for NSS BOG meeting in DFW Metroplex this coming weekend
Bill, I'm still at work and it doesn't look like I'm getting out anytime soon. Say hi to all the NSS folks for me and give'em hell for us! Charles speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Charles, Okay, see you guys Saturday night. Bill -- Original message -- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Sorry Bill, forgot to include the pertinent information, it will be Saturday night. I'll ask Tammy about your invitation for the back yard :) I've know the cowtowners just as long as I've known you, and yeah, Roger is a bit strange (even for a caver). Not sure if you've noticed or not (and please never repeat this), RD runs that show, Roger is just a puppet. It works out for them I guess. See ya Saturday speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Charles, It's nice that Tammy and you will be coming; which night? Both I hope, but Saturday night's the big shindig. Come and over-drink. Tell Glen that if he's really into caving, he'll never see an assemblage of cavers such as this one in the D/FW Metroplex again. Never before, never again. It won't happen. And what do you have against camping in our backyard? We killed the fire ants. I'll even set a tent up for you (in case you don't know how) and equip it with comfy bedding. You two might just find it romantic. And hey, what's the deal with the Cowtown Grotto chairman? What makes him so aloof? Has he caved more than me or something? I hear about third hand that he can't make it Saturday morning to welcome the officers and directors of the largest caving organization in the world, yet the other two hosting grottos will have their chairmen there, and the TSA chairman will also be there. Maybe Roger can't get off work, who knows? Or maybe there are too many honey-dos and a short leash. But I wrote him and presented a formal request for his presence and got no answer. What's with those Cowtowners, anyhow? See you whenever. Bill -- Original message -- From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith Bill, Tammy and I will be there, Glen hasn't said anything about showing up. We won't be camping in the back yard however. Thanks Charles speleoste...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Texas cavers, As you are probably aware, the next meeting of the Board of Governors of the National Speleological Society will be this coming weekend, March 24 - 25, in Irving, Texas, next door to Dallas. There will be caver parties both Friday and Saturday nights, with the big one being Saturday night. We'd like to get an idea of who's coming on which night for the sake of having enough refreshments and snack foods. Also, is anyone planning to camp in the backyard? There's plenty of room. For a schedule of events see the special Web site created for the occasion by Webmaster Butch Fralia, who is also the current chairman of the Maverick Grotto. http://www.maverickgrotto.org/nssbog/ We're hoping for a good turnout of Texas cavers to show support for the NSS and its hardworking officers and directors. Bill Steele D/FW Grotto Chairman ___ Mav-list mailing list mav-l...@maverickgrotto.org http://maverickgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/mav-list_maverickgrotto.org
[Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning]
LOL Original Message Subject:Re: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:47:27 + From: speleoste...@comcast.net To: wo...@justfamily.org Charles, Two weeks ago tomorrow I was in Washingon, D.C. with my job, and part of what we did was be treated to a behind the scenes tour in the reseach labs of the Smithsonian. We had two features - birds and mammals. The mammal lady had a real jackalope specimin out, and it's for real, but what it is is a type of bacteria rabbit get that cause growths of fingernail-type material that juts out like antlers. It was pretty cool. Bill -- Original message -- From: wo...@justfamily.org The daemon doesn't photograph well, kinda like a jackelope.
Re: unsubscribe cavetex
Done, and just for you to know, every email on the cavetex mailing list has a footer with unsubsribe information. Charles JOHN CHELF wrote: charles, please unsubscribe me from cavetex, thanks, john chelf johnch...@sbcglobal.net mailto:johnch...@sbcglobal.net
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Fw: Vertical Training workshop April 28-30]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Fw: Vertical Training workshop April 28-30 List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:58:52 -0600 From: Geary Schindel gschin...@mindspring.com Reply-To: Geary Schindel gschin...@mindspring.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com CC: Geary Schindel Office gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org, gshin...@mindspring.com Folks, John Brooks has asked if I would coordinate a TSA vertical training workshop. Two years ago, we held a very suscessful vertical workshop at Government Canyon State Natual Area. However, Government Canyon was not available to us this year. I also contacted the climbing ranger at the Alamo Area Council of the Boy Scouts of America and they are willing to make their facility at Bear Creek near Kerrville in Kerr County available for training. The training will be open to cavers as well as scout leaders which is a great opportunity to cross train with the scout program. (This is a great way to find volunteers for your pet conservation projects.) The training will be held over the weekend of April 28-30. We would begin an informal training program on Friday night around 7 pm. Formal training would be on Saturday and Sunday. Camping will be at the scout reservation in designated areas (away from other scout troops that may also be using the camp. The Bear Creek Scout Ranch facilities are excellent. They are located near the town of Hunt in Kerr County, about 15 miles northwest of Kerrville. The scout reservation has two cliffs that we can use for the training including a number of bolted rig points along a 40 foot cliff and also a 120 foot cliff. I have also asked if we can use the environmental pavalion which will offer good access to the cliffs nearby as well as shelter from the sun. We can also camp for the three days at the reservation but they do ask that we follow their campground rules of no alcohol. I hope to also have access to the conference facilities at the scout ranch for evening presentations. We will be following the training manual from the Vertical Section of the NSS. This training is recommended for both experienced and beginning vertical cavers. Couse contents includes ropes, knots, rigging, rappelling, and ascending using knots as well as mechanical ascenders. We will have examples of various vertical systems for participants to try. This will be a conprehensive training program that will begin at 8 am on Sat. morning, run into Sat. evening, and begin again on Sunday morning. We hope to complete the training after lunch on Sunday. If you are interested in attending the training, it is open to all interested participants. We will cap the registration depending upon the number of instructors that are available. The estimated cost for this event is about $20 and will include a training manual, access to the scout reservation, camping, and equipment. However, if you have your own vertical equipment including helmet, you are welcome to bring it. Use of the equipment will be subject to inspection by one of the instructors. You must be 14 years or older to participate in the trainning without special approval. You may respond directly to my email. However, note that I have a spam filter so it may appear that the email was bounced. However, the email will go into a file which I will check every day or so and respond back with confirmation. If you do not get a response in a day or so, please email me again. Make sure that you use Vertical Training workshop in the subject area. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me or call. Thanks, Geary Schindel 210-479-2151 home 210-222-2204 work.
Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
David, you are delving into a deep and unknown area :) As WaVy states, most unix's/linux are free, so don't spend any money on them. A good one to play with (and you dont' have to install) is Knoppix http://knoppix.org/ (it runs from a cd, or you can go through an installer), just pop the cd in, reboot and off you go. You can download it for free or order a cd or dvd version if you are on dialup pretty cheaply. It's something good to play with and not mess with your windows setup, unless you have a spare computer laying around. Don't mess with purchasing one of the enterprise versions of linux, you'll be disappointed. All of my web, mail, etc servers run on unix, and I use it daily at work for most of my tasks. I only keep a windows computer around for gaming these days. If you have questions or need help, feel free to email me. Charles David Locklear wrote: I am posting this here because it might interest a few of you, and I feel it is important. I was in a computer store last week in the book section and there was a magazine that included CD's for a program called Mandriva Linux 2006. I have been wanting to give Linux a try. The review below is intended to help someone, like me, with no knowledge of Linux. I hope this will save them from the hassles of trying Linux. Review of Mandriva Linux 2006: I was impressed with this program. The $ 20 price for the magazine included a ton of good software, almost everything a computer user at home would need, including an office suite, a web browser, a e-mail program, games, etc. I knew absolutely nothing about Linux and I was up and running in less than an hour of tinkering with it.It immediately recognized most of my hardware, even USB gadgets like memory sticks and card readers. I believe the only thing that failed were a modem driver and a printer driver.I purchased a new modem that had Linux drivers at Fry's - ( PCI Plus model 2920 ). However, based on my experience, I would NEVER mix Windows and Linux on your first experiments with this operating system. I would get a cheap computer from somewhere that has USB ports, and then transfer your photos, music, etc. via USB sticks to the Linux computer. The commercial version of Mandriva 2006 appears to be around $ 85 on the web. http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006powerpack An equivalent MicroSoft product would cost over $ 1000. The magazine I purchased was: http://linuxformat.co.uk In my opinion, Linux is ready to go mainstream, and Windows is going to have some real competition. Based on my brief encounter with Mandriva 2006, I am convinced now that Linux has a very bright future. Before you spend money upgrading Windows to the new Vista, I recommend you at least give Linux a test drive.There are many new releases of variations of Linux, besides the one I tested. There is Fedora 5, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Linspire, Xandros, and many many more. Based on my web research the following distribution of Linux is getting some of the best reviews: http://www.ubuntu.com/ But to be fair, I can't say all is rosy and perfect.I couldn't get my favorite windows-based program to run inside of Linux. And the more I tried, the more my computer became screwed up. I ended up with a big mess and had to reformat my partition.So, in my opinion, trying to mix Windows and Linux is a bad idea for beginners. Many of the computer books that I saw on Linux, seemed out-dated. If you buy one with a disc in it, look for the books that were printed in 2006 and have a DVD. However, those are in the $ 45 range. You can find similar books in the used section for under $ 20. David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer news
David, you are delving into a deep and unknown area :) As WaVy states, most unix's/linux are free, so don't spend any money on them. A good one to play with (and you dont' have to install) is Knoppix http://knoppix.org/ (it runs from a cd, or you can go through an installer), just pop the cd in, reboot and off you go. You can download it for free or order a cd or dvd version if you are on dialup pretty cheaply. It's something good to play with and not mess with your windows setup, unless you have a spare computer laying around. Don't mess with purchasing one of the enterprise versions of linux, you'll be disappointed. All of my web, mail, etc servers run on unix, and I use it daily at work for most of my tasks. I only keep a windows computer around for gaming these days. If you have questions or need help, feel free to email me. Charles David Locklear wrote: I am posting this here because it might interest a few of you, and I feel it is important. I was in a computer store last week in the book section and there was a magazine that included CD's for a program called Mandriva Linux 2006. I have been wanting to give Linux a try. The review below is intended to help someone, like me, with no knowledge of Linux. I hope this will save them from the hassles of trying Linux. Review of Mandriva Linux 2006: I was impressed with this program. The $ 20 price for the magazine included a ton of good software, almost everything a computer user at home would need, including an office suite, a web browser, a e-mail program, games, etc. I knew absolutely nothing about Linux and I was up and running in less than an hour of tinkering with it.It immediately recognized most of my hardware, even USB gadgets like memory sticks and card readers. I believe the only thing that failed were a modem driver and a printer driver.I purchased a new modem that had Linux drivers at Fry's - ( PCI Plus model 2920 ). However, based on my experience, I would NEVER mix Windows and Linux on your first experiments with this operating system. I would get a cheap computer from somewhere that has USB ports, and then transfer your photos, music, etc. via USB sticks to the Linux computer. The commercial version of Mandriva 2006 appears to be around $ 85 on the web. http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/2006powerpack An equivalent MicroSoft product would cost over $ 1000. The magazine I purchased was: http://linuxformat.co.uk In my opinion, Linux is ready to go mainstream, and Windows is going to have some real competition. Based on my brief encounter with Mandriva 2006, I am convinced now that Linux has a very bright future. Before you spend money upgrading Windows to the new Vista, I recommend you at least give Linux a test drive.There are many new releases of variations of Linux, besides the one I tested. There is Fedora 5, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Linspire, Xandros, and many many more. Based on my web research the following distribution of Linux is getting some of the best reviews: http://www.ubuntu.com/ But to be fair, I can't say all is rosy and perfect.I couldn't get my favorite windows-based program to run inside of Linux. And the more I tried, the more my computer became screwed up. I ended up with a big mess and had to reformat my partition.So, in my opinion, trying to mix Windows and Linux is a bad idea for beginners. Many of the computer books that I saw on Linux, seemed out-dated. If you buy one with a disc in it, look for the books that were printed in 2006 and have a DVD. However, those are in the $ 45 range. You can find similar books in the used section for under $ 20. David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers]Off topic Re: Walls for Mac OSX?
Just wait till all of those old programs are updated for the intel processor... once that's done, you'll start seeing some good speed comparisons between the two os's. Charles Brian Vauter wrote: The comment is that the OLD version of the OS X programs, such as Photoshop, do not run as well on an INTEL-based Mac. Has nothing to do with Windows/XP/or anything from Microsoft. All of the old programs coded to the PowerPC macs must be run through Rosetta, an emulator included with the OS, in order for them to run on the new macs. A program written as universal will run perfectly fine on the new macs. Which then kinda stretches the claim that the new macs run 2 times faster than the old ones. Depends on how you measure that speed. For the most part, they are faster, but with old software, not so. wavyca...@hotmail.com wrote: Was the statement about Adobe Photoshop running poorly on a Mac related to a PC version of Photoshop running on a Mac under VPC or was it XP/Bootcamp on Intel Based Mac machine?
Re: [Texascavers] Bouncing off list
The list received the message ok. Kevin McGowan wrote: HI Charles, Can you contact me off-list? I haven't gotten any Texascaver mail in days. I didn't get the test I sent to the list either. Thanks, Kevin McGowan
Re: [Texascavers] attachments
I can't find one in the mail server and sent Nancy an email asking for details on it so we can look into it. Charles Stefan Creaser wrote: I haven't seen one either? Was it virus or spam that has been filtered for some people? Don't open the picture if you got it Stefan. -Original Message- From: Butch Fralia [mailto:cave...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:58 PM To: 'Nancy Weaver'; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] attachments I'm confused, I haven't gotten any attachements with any e-mail for several days. Are you sure it came from TexasCavers.COM or am I having e-mail problems. Butch Fralia -Original Message- From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@io.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:20 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] attachments I was under the impression that attachments were disallowed on this list. If that is not true, please unsubscribe me. If that IS true, please unsubscribe the person who chose to clog my mailbox this morning with a photo which could have been sent directly to the person involved, instead of at least one person, who really did not want it. thanks Nancy
Re: [Texascavers] attachments
Thanks to everyone that assisted with this, just too many of you to send individual emails to this morning, been a busy day at work :) Charles
Re: [Texascavers] attachments
Nancy, since I've been on this list, the subject hasn't come up, and since I've started maintaining the list, it especially hasn't come up. I haven't seen an email come through the list with an attached picture, please let me know the time/date and subject of it and I'll look into it. Unsubscribe information is posted at the bottom of every email. Thanks Charles Nancy Weaver wrote: I was under the impression that attachments were disallowed on this list. If that is not true, please unsubscribe me. If that IS true, please unsubscribe the person who chose to clog my mailbox this morning with a photo which could have been sent directly to the person involved, instead of at least one person, who really did not want it. thanks Nancy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Fwd: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder]
Bill, I'm still getting these, and I'm guessing its from the old web host. I can't find the email with your old login info, can you try to login there and disable the list? This will just confuse users if they try to use the below links. Thanks Charles Original Message Subject: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 05:00:12 -0400 From: mailman-ow...@texascavers.com To: wo...@justfamily.org This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your texascavers.com mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, mailman-requ...@texascavers.com) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to mailman-ow...@texascavers.com. Thanks! Passwords for wo...@justfamily.org: List Password // URL texascavers@texascavers.com iwerohxe http://mail.texascavers.com/mailman/options/texascavers_texascavers.com/wokka%40justfamily.org
Re: [Texascavers] how do I communicate with the list owner?
Nancy, I'll build those aliases to point to my email, but those are left over from an older software that used to run the mailing list. My email address is wo...@justfamily.org and a slew of addresses in the texascavers.com domain route to me, webmaster, postmaster, abuse, etc. What can I help you with? Charles Nancy Weaver wrote: this is the response I get to both addresses for texascavers - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - mailman-ow...@texascavers.com (reason: 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name (#5.1.1 - chkusr)) - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - mailman-requ...@texascavers.com (reason: 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name (#5.1.1 - chkusr)) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] how do I communicate with the list owner?
No, this is something left over from the old software that Bill used when he maintained the list. I sent him an email asking him to look into it and turn off that old notification email reminder. You can safely delete it. Did you have a question or something I could help you with? Since you noticed that the emails in the original were not routing, you tried to send me something? Thanks Charles Nancy Weaver wrote: charles: how strange. did you send this message today? This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your texascavers.com mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, *mailman-requ...@texascavers.com*) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to *mailman-ow...@texascavers.com*. Thanks! at any rate this was the message I was trying to get to - whoever sent me that notice this morning . . . /I was talking with mark minton about the attachments issue and he said that the new mexico list addresses it by simply filtering any and all attachments out. so if a message says see attached document it simply isnt there./ / I truely cannot remember what the current status of attachments is - allowed? not allowed? as someone who can only get modem dialup it is an ongoing source of irritation esp as the attachments get huger and huger - and I often have to call my server and have them do the deleting as it freezes the connection completely./ // /I have learned not to mention it to the group at large. several people were considerate enough to flood me with random attachments for several days. a punishment I suppose for bringing the issue up./ / could you let me know what the actual policy is? thanks, and for all you do,/ /Nancy/
Re: [Texascavers] how do I communicate with the list owner?
Nancy, I don't govern the list, nor moderate it, Bill advised me when I took it over not to try, just to let the group self moderate. Makes less work for me and it's worked so far. Most people are on broadband these days and its easy to forget when sending attachments that some recepients may not have the bandwidth available to receive attachments. I wish that it was as simple as me changing a setting to prevent you from getting further attachments, but it is not. The only thing that I can suggest to prevent any further problems is to read the list mail from a web client, I'd highly suggest google's mail, gmail.com, its user friendly, free and works very well. I use it for a backup to my personal email. Thanks Charles Nancy Weaver wrote: No, this is something left over from the old software that Bill used when he maintained the list. I sent him an email asking him to look into it and turn off that old notification email reminder. You can safely delete it. Did you have a question or something I could help you with? Since you noticed that the emails in the original were not routing, you tried to send me something? Thanks Charles yes, the following is the message I tried to send . . . . /I was talking with mark minton about the attachments issue and he said that the new mexico list addresses it by simply filtering any and all attachments out. so if a message says see attached document it simply isnt there./ / I truely cannot remember what the current status of attachments is - allowed? not allowed? as someone who can only get modem dialup it is an ongoing source of irritation esp as the attachments get huger and huger - and I often have to call my server and have them do the deleting as it freezes the connection completely./ // /I have learned not to mention it to the group at large. several people were considerate enough to flood me with random attachments for several days. a punishment I suppose for bringing the issue up./ / could you let me know what the actual policy is? thanks, and for all you do,/ /Nancy/
Re: [Texascavers] how do I communicate with the list owner?
Nancy never gave me any more information, I received more from others than anything, I'm not going to loose any sleep over a single reported issue. We currently have 312 subscribers. Carl Kunath wrote: So, Charles, what was the true story of Nancy's attachment. Was she being spammed individually or was there an attachment sent to the entire list, or ??? BTW, can you please tell me the number of current subscribers to the TexasCavers list? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - *From:* Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith mailto:wo...@justfamily.org *To:* Nancy Weaver mailto:nan...@io.com ; texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Monday, May 01, 2006 1:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] how do I communicate with the list owner? Nancy, I'll build those aliases to point to my email, but those are left over from an older software that used to run the mailing list. My email address is wo...@justfamily.org mailto:wo...@justfamily.org and a slew of addresses in the texascavers.com domain route to me, webmaster, postmaster, abuse, etc. What can I help you with? Charles Nancy Weaver wrote: this is the response I get to both addresses for texascavers - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - mailman-ow...@texascavers.com mailto:mailman-ow...@texascavers.com (reason: 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name (#5.1.1 - chkusr)) - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - mailman-requ...@texascavers.com mailto:mailman-requ...@texascavers.com (reason: 550 sorry, no mailbox here by that name (#5.1.1 - chkusr)) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder]
mail...@jet23.hasweb.com is where it's coming from, owned by HostDime.com DimeNoc Services out of Orlando, FL, dns for that domain is pdns.dizinc.com sdns.dizinc.com Any of that mean anything to you? I have no clue who it is. Thanks for the help Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Charles, I bid you greetings I contacted the hosting company and they said that it was not coming from them...The site had been deleted... Can you check the DNS on the actual email advanced header and see where it is coming from. We can start there... I have a feeling it is from the mailman software site... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: caverb...@cox.net Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: [Fwd: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder] Bill, I'm still getting these, and I'm guessing its from the old web host. I can't find the email with your old login info, can you try to login there and disable the list? This will just confuse users if they try to use the below links. Thanks Charles Original Message Subject: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 05:00:12 -0400 From: mailman-ow...@texascavers.com To: wo...@justfamily.org This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your texascavers.com mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, mailman-requ...@texascavers.com) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to mailman-ow...@texascavers.com. Thanks! Passwords for wo...@justfamily.org: List Password // URL texascavers@texascavers.com iwerohxe http://mail.texascavers.com/mailman/options/texascavers_texascavers.com/wokka%40justfamily.org
Re: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder]
Thanks Bill Bill Bentley wrote: I submitted a ticket to them Bill - Original Message - From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Bill Bentley caverb...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder] mail...@jet23.hasweb.com is where it's coming from, owned by HostDime.com DimeNoc Services out of Orlando, FL, dns for that domain is pdns.dizinc.com sdns.dizinc.com Any of that mean anything to you? I have no clue who it is. Thanks for the help Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Charles, I bid you greetings I contacted the hosting company and they said that it was not coming from them...The site had been deleted... Can you check the DNS on the actual email advanced header and see where it is coming from. We can start there... I have a feeling it is from the mailman software site... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: caverb...@cox.net Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: [Fwd: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder] Bill, I'm still getting these, and I'm guessing its from the old web host. I can't find the email with your old login info, can you try to login there and disable the list? This will just confuse users if they try to use the below links. Thanks Charles Original Message Subject: texascavers.com mailing list memberships reminder Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 05:00:12 -0400 From: mailman-ow...@texascavers.com To: wo...@justfamily.org This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your texascavers.com mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, mailman-requ...@texascavers.com) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to mailman-ow...@texascavers.com. Thanks! Passwords for wo...@justfamily.org: List Password // URL texascavers@texascavers.com iwerohxe http://mail.texascavers.com/mailman/options/texascavers_texascavers.com/wokka%40justfamily.org
Re: [Texascavers] Sorry For Interruption, But..
Email is not just a science, but an art in how some of the bigger ISP's and information gatherer's deal with it these days. I've posted with two different email accounts, through 4 different mail servers (several ISPs and my own server) and it's all treated differently. My own dsl isp is SBC, and email to a list always takes longer than an email to a person. I think they are purposely doing this to discourage spammers, but that is just a guess. The only thing I can tell you is to be patient. I'm happy that the mail is just flowing :) Charles Homer Simpson wrote: I think there's something broken on this emailer remailer lister. I sent out a mention of The Devil's Sinkhole movie yesterday at about this time, I resent it that evening and it showed up right away as a forwarded message. By midnight, the original it had not gone out and back again. Then, the original showed up this morning. So If the guy that enjoys fixing the unfixable stuff finds this to be his way of having fun, please go for it. (I think there's a leak between the ISP and the NSA) From Springfield Texas, Homer Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39174/*http://photomail.mail.yahoo.com makes sharing a breeze.
[Fwd: [Texascavers] Metroplex Holiday Party]
Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Metroplex Holiday Party List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:39:49 -0600 From: John P. Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Dear D/FW Metroplex area caver: You and your spouse/significant other/date are cordially invited to the annual Caver Christmas Party on Saturday evening, December 10, at Diana Tomchick and Bill Steele's home in Irving. Children are also welcome! A potluck dinner will begin at 7:00 p.m. that night, and you should bring a dish if eating Christmas dinner with us. We will provide the ham and turkey and dressing. Some alcohol will be provided, but if you'd like to bring extra holiday cheer to share with others that would be great. Feel free to drop by later in the evening if you have other engagements that night. We will turn into pumpkins at 2 a.m. on Sunday morning, though, so don't be too late. Bring your caving slides, photos, videos, Powerpoint presentations and tall tales to share. We'll have a VCR, DVD player and computer hooked up to the TV for anyone to use. Calling all White Elephant Gifts. We will have the traditional White Elephant Gift exchange. White Elephant Gifts are welcome, especially those traditional old ones that haven't been exchanged in awhile. Dig through your closets, garages and storage barns and pull out those wonderful must-have caving accessories to share with others. Not familiar with the White Elephant Gift Exchange? Give us a call and we'll explain it to you. Address: 500 Kingston Dr., Irving 75061 Phone: 214-770-4712 (Bill), 214-418-5827 (Diana! ) t; Directions: From 183 go south on Story 0.9 miles to Pioneer and turn left. Go to the 5th street on the right, which is Kingston. The house is the 8th one on the left, on the curve, and it has a five globe street light out front. Tent camping in the secluded back yard is okay. Merry Christmas! Diana and Bill ___ Texascavers mailing list Texascavers@texascavers.com http://texascavers.com/mailman/listinfo/texascavers_texascavers.com
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Original Message Subject:[Fwd: [Texascavers] Metroplex Holiday Party] List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 12:44:11 -0600 From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: ta...@justfamily.org Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] Metroplex Holiday Party List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:39:49 -0600 From: John P. Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Dear D/FW Metroplex area caver: You and your spouse/significant other/date are cordially invited to the annual Caver Christmas Party on Saturday evening, December 10, at Diana Tomchick and Bill Steele's home in Irving. Children are also welcome! A potluck dinner will begin at 7:00 p.m. that night, and you should bring a dish if eating Christmas dinner with us. We will provide the ham and turkey and dressing. Some alcohol will be provided, but if you'd like to bring extra holiday cheer to share with others that would be great. Feel free to drop by later in the evening if you have other engagements that night. We will turn into pumpkins at 2 a.m. on Sunday morning, though, so don't be too late. Bring your caving slides, photos, videos, Powerpoint presentations and tall tales to share. We'll have a VCR, DVD player and computer hooked up to the TV for anyone to use. Calling all White Elephant Gifts. We will have the traditional White Elephant Gift exchange. White Elephant Gifts are welcome, especially those traditional old ones that haven't been exchanged in awhile. Dig through your closets, garages and storage barns and pull out those wonderful must-have caving accessories to share with others. Not familiar with the White Elephant Gift Exchange? Give us a call and we'll explain it to you. Address: 500 Kingston Dr., Irving 75061 Phone: 214-770-4712 (Bill), 214-418-5827 (Diana! ) t; Directions: From 183 go south on Story 0.9 miles to Pioneer and turn left. Go to the 5th street on the right, which is Kingston. The house is the 8th one on the left, on the curve, and it has a five globe street light out front. Tent camping in the secluded back yard is okay. Merry Christmas! Diana and Bill ___ Texascavers mailing list Texascavers@texascavers.com http://texascavers.com/mailman/listinfo/texascavers_texascavers.com
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This would be a fun trip for anyone wanting to go to Mexico in Feburary. Original Message Subject:texascavers - Bustamante President's Day Project Resent-Date:Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:36:15 -0500 Resent-From:texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:35:19 -0600 From: Orion Knox orion-k...@austin.rr.com Reply-To: Orion Knox orion-k...@alumni.utexas.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com The ever popular Bustamante President's Day Project is just over the horizon. This will be the ninth year that TSA has sponsored this project which has resulted in a dramatic improvement in the Grutas Del Palmito and surrounding area. It has drawn cavers, friends, family and folks just interested in doing a good deed at one of North Americas outstanding caves. Participants have come from several States in both the US and Mexico. In the early years truckloads of trash were hauled out of the cave and picked up around the upper parking and entrance area, concrete steps were installed in the first room, conservation, directional and interpretive signs in both Spanish and English were installed and graffiti was removed in the first room. Since that time an improved trail was constructed from the upper parking area to the entrance, the trail leading to Cabeza de Leon has been improved above the cave, additional trash has been picked up, graffiti has been removed along the road, brush has been cleared along the road and trails and a new hand rail was installed at the entrance. Inside the cave, the lighting system has been improved, a bridge was constructed at a dangerous spot on the tour trail, mud was removed from the steps and formations and, vast amounts of graffiti have been meticulously removed in all areas of this huge cave. It is truly amazing what a hundred or so dedicated folks can accomplish over a weekend. This year should be no exception. As in the past, Saturday will be the principle work day and Sunday will be devoted to field trips to area points of interest. There will be the much enjoyed banquet at the Ancira on Sunday night and the Monday morning tour of the Mescal factory on the way out of town. Information on the Project can be found at: http://home.austin.rr.com/ojknox/bustainfo.htm There are still rooms available at the Ancira Hotel. For information and reservations contact Jan Knox at: knox_...@hotmail.com Looking forward to seeing you there. Rune Burnett and Orion Knox
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Just an FYI in case you didn't get a similar message. I'm not familiar with this lock, something new since I've done this long ago. Let me know if I can help any. Charles Original Message Subject:Transfer texascavers.com for justfamily is in REGISTRAR-LOCK List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 18 Feb 2006 04:02:13 - From: directNIC Transfers transf...@directnic.com Reply-To: supp...@directnic.com To: wo...@justfamily.org Dear charles goldsmith, We have received your transfer request for texascavers.com. However, the domain is in REGISTRAR-LOCK status with your current registrar, making it non-transferable. Please contact the current registrar NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC. in order to remove the registrar lock or to otherwise resolve the matter that has placed the domain in the current non-transferable status. We will keep the transfer request in this status for 5 days and will check the registrar status each day to see if it has changed. If it has not been changed after 5 days we will cancel the transfer and refund your account. Sincerely, directNIC.com Support
Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message
Bill, I can take this if no one else steps up, I currently run the cowtowngrotto and netcavers lists on my colocated server. What sort of problems are you seeing in spurts? Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Looking for new owner/manager: I am having to relinquish the operation I would like to find some one (hopefully a fool with exceptionally thick skin and good internet brain power) to take over ownership and manage the texascavers mailing list. It varies on the time consumption as problems seems to run in spurts. For the most part it is working fairly well at the moment. I will help as much as I know how to get you going. Once transferred you can change, move, enhance, delegate or whatever you feel like doing except shut down the mailing list. Contact me if interested... Bill Bentley
Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message
Folks, I've talked to Bill and offered to take over the mailing list. What this won't do, change anything. What this will do, take the load off of Bill and keep things running as smoothly as he has so far. This should be a seamless transition and more details will be posted later. Anyone that has questions, feel free to email me off-list. Thanks Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Looking for new owner/manager: I am having to relinquish the operation I would like to find some one (hopefully a fool with exceptionally thick skin and good internet brain power) to take over ownership and manage the texascavers mailing list. It varies on the time consumption as problems seems to run in spurts. For the most part it is working fairly well at the moment. I will help as much as I know how to get you going. Once transferred you can change, move, enhance, delegate or whatever you feel like doing except shut down the mailing list. Contact me if interested... Bill Bentley
Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message
Hello Allan, no, that is news to me about the expenses. I don't anticipate any costs (all of my costs are already there), just my time. What I would like to do is add search functionality to the website for the archive of the list, and add a google ads setup to it (bottom of the pages and it will be small) Any extra proceeds could be donated to TCMA, TSS, TSA, etc. At least that is what I had in mind. Thoughts or ideas? Allan Cobb wrote: Hi Charles, I don't think we've met. I am the organizer of the Texas Cavers Reunion. Last year at TCR, it was decided that TCR would financially support the mailing list. If you have any expenses related to the servers, etc. let me know and TCR will reimburse you. Thanks for taking on the list, Allan - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net Cc: A Texas Caving Remailer for Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message Folks, I've talked to Bill and offered to take over the mailing list. What this won't do, change anything. What this will do, take the load off of Bill and keep things running as smoothly as he has so far. This should be a seamless transition and more details will be posted later. Anyone that has questions, feel free to email me off-list. Thanks Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Looking for new owner/manager: I am having to relinquish the operation I would like to find some one (hopefully a fool with exceptionally thick skin and good internet brain power) to take over ownership and manage the texascavers mailing list. It varies on the time consumption as problems seems to run in spurts. For the most part it is working fairly well at the moment. I will help as much as I know how to get you going. Once transferred you can change, move, enhance, delegate or whatever you feel like doing except shut down the mailing list. Contact me if interested... Bill Bentley
Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message
Did TCR pay Bill for the domain purchase costs and his webhosting fees? I know he is out $8 a month on the hosting, and he is going to check on the domain purchase costs. If that is taken care of, I'll be happy. If anything comes up in the future, I will certainly let you know. I am certainly looking forward to my first TCR this year. Allan Cobb wrote: Hi Charles, I wish I could pay you for your time but that won't happen. TCR will pay server cost, domain registrations, etc. It isn't much but those little things do add up if they come out of your own pocket. TCR will be happy to keep paying those costs. Donating the proceeds is a great idea. Any of those organization can certainly find a use for the money. I wish you the best of luck with this and let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Allan - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message Hello Allan, no, that is news to me about the expenses. I don't anticipate any costs (all of my costs are already there), just my time. What I would like to do is add search functionality to the website for the archive of the list, and add a google ads setup to it (bottom of the pages and it will be small) Any extra proceeds could be donated to TCMA, TSS, TSA, etc. At least that is what I had in mind. Thoughts or ideas? Allan Cobb wrote: Hi Charles, I don't think we've met. I am the organizer of the Texas Cavers Reunion. Last year at TCR, it was decided that TCR would financially support the mailing list. If you have any expenses related to the servers, etc. let me know and TCR will reimburse you. Thanks for taking on the list, Allan - Original Message - From: Charles wokka Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Bill Bentley cave...@cox.net Cc: A Texas Caving Remailer for Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Texascavers mailing list Administrative Message Folks, I've talked to Bill and offered to take over the mailing list. What this won't do, change anything. What this will do, take the load off of Bill and keep things running as smoothly as he has so far. This should be a seamless transition and more details will be posted later. Anyone that has questions, feel free to email me off-list. Thanks Charles Bill Bentley wrote: Looking for new owner/manager: I am having to relinquish the operation I would like to find some one (hopefully a fool with exceptionally thick skin and good internet brain power) to take over ownership and manage the texascavers mailing list. It varies on the time consumption as problems seems to run in spurts. For the most part it is working fairly well at the moment. I will help as much as I know how to get you going. Once transferred you can change, move, enhance, delegate or whatever you feel like doing except shut down the mailing list. Contact me if interested... Bill Bentley
Administrative Move update
Well, it seems all is well with the mailing list, please give me feedback if you see any problems. I promised new features, well, you get them. As you see from the test messages and this one, we have a custom Subject line again, to assist people who like easily built filters. Also, we get archives with this, they aren't pretty, but they are functional: http://texascavers.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm.cgi We won't have old stuff in here (it's just not worth the time and trouble for me to try and import my old mail into it). I plan to add a search function in the future. The website has been updated with a few things, noticeably the new link to the archives, a search function to the page, and a banner ad at the bottom. This list and website hosting doesn't cost me any extra, so I've let Allan Cobb at TCR know that I plan to donate the profits of the ads to one of the caving related charities, TCMA, TSA, NSS, etc. TCR has donated money in the past to cover hosting fees, and this will allow them to use that money elsewhere. Comments, thoughts, complaints are all welcome about any changes or anything related to the mailing list or website. Thanks Charles
Re: FW: TexasCavers.Com
Thanks Butch, I had missed it on my gmail (I'm subbed to that account to to verify that all is working ok). I don't need any help at the moment, but will surely let you know if I have to :) Thanks! Charles bfra...@fmnetdesign.com wrote: Charles, I realized I sent this to your gmail address, don't know how much you check it. Butch -Original Message- *From:* bfra...@fmnetdesign.com [mailto:bfra...@fmnetdesign.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2006 11:09 AM *To:* 'wok...@gmail.com' *Subject:* TexasCavers.Com Charles, I keep meaning to mention this regarding your taking over the Texas Cavers list. 1) Thanks for taking it on, it's more important to communication between Texas Cavers than people realize. I'm not sure whether to congratulate you or offer condolences. 2) If there's some way I can help you, I'll be glad to as I helped Bill some before he changed to the last hosting company. Butch Fralia FM Net Design bfra...@fmnetdesign.com HTTP://WWW.FMNETDESIGN.COM http://www.fmnetdesign.com/ 3412 Walton Av Fort Worth, TX, 76133 H: 817-346-2039 C: 817-229-7693 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006
