[Texascavers] Holiday Party Announcement – Mark The Date – December 17

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Sue and I will be hosting our somewhat annual Christmas party for Texas
Cavers, vagabonds, malcontents, and ne’er-do-wells.  We would like to
invite you and your significant others to a holiday party to be held on
Saturday, December 17 starting at 5 PM cst and ending sometime on Sunday.
Note that this is a potluck so please bring a dish. Sue and I will be
providing a ham or turkey and we’ll have some beer and a grill if there is
something you want to cook.

If you have an adult beverage that you prefer, please feel free to bring it
along. We would also like to collect a can or dry goods to donate to the
San Antonio Food Bank from attendees.

There will also be a White Elephant Gift Exchange so if you want to
participate, please bring a gift. I would recommend a limit of $20.  The
only requirement is that all gifts MUST go home with their recipients. No
live animals can be brought as gifts.

Party address: 11310 Whisper Dawn St, San Antonio, TX 78230. Phone is 210
479 2151.

Rules of the house.

1st. Don’t let the cats outside.

2nd. Please drink responsibly, we have plenty of beds, futons, and floor
space if you need to spend the night or don’t have a designated driver. If
you want to reserve a spot ahead of time, please let us know, we would be
happy to have you.

3rd. We’ll provide breakfast for anyone that stays, and they can help clean
up after the party. (we'll see if you can stare down some pancakes or eggs
over easy.)

4th. RSVP isn’t required and people come and go throughout the night.

5th. Please don't block any of our neighbor's driveways.  Please park along
the curb and on the street. Stay off the sidewalks and don't block the
street for EMS.

6th. All decisions by the White Elephant Gift Exchange judge are final.

7th. Service animals are welcome but please, no pets. However, Basset
Hounds or any breed of hound dogs are okay.

8th. Kids are welcome but their parents are responsible for them.

9th. We'll have the hot tub up and running but please, no masks or snorkels
in the tub.

10th. We will NOT have a defibrillator at the party. So, BYOD if you think
you'll need one. Stay off the roof. It is metal and quite slick with a
little dew or mist.

11th. If you're not feeling well, have a headache, runny nose, or fever,
feel free to stay home.

12th. Stay off the roof.

13th. Have fun.
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Re: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch

[Geary Schindel]

Thank  you for all the hard work editing the book and thank you for
sharing. I've scanned the pictures which look great and look forward to
reading the book.

Geary

On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:41 AM Reddell, James R <
jreddell.ca...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

> I have read the book and found it very well written and a fascinating
> account of
> pioneering caving techniques and adventures. Wonderful historic photos by
> Mitchell.
> Bill has done a superb job of editing and laying it out. Well worth the
> money!
>
> James
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> William R. Elliott 
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:13 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch
>
>
> *July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch*
>
>
>
> The new book, *Caving with Mitch**, *by *Francis E. Abernethy*, is
> available as a *free pdf* to download at
> *https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas*/
> 
>
>
>
> *Caving with Mitch* is the true and humorous adventure story of three
> great friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or
> “Bob”), and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning
> of American caving in Mexico.
>
>
>
> A printed book can be ordered from Linda Mitchell at
> lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com. Please copy me at speodes...@gmail.com.
>
>
>
> Payment by Venmo or PayPal is preferred to Linda’s email. Include your
> full name, street address, email, and phone with your email order.
>
>
>
> We have decided that checks are acceptable, made out to *Linda Mitchell*,
> at *1707 Antler Dr, Austin, TX 78741. *There will be no cash sales.
>
>
>
> *You must pay first to get a book. *Send the payment at *$20 per book*,
> and we will acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail
> postage to the 48 contiguous US states.
>
>
>
> Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses
> outside the lower 48 states.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
> 30105 Briarcrest Court
>
> Georgetown, Texas 78628
>
> *speodes...@gmail.com *
>
> 573-291-5093 cell
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[Texascavers] FW: Virginia Cave Job

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

There is an interesting position open in the Blacksburg, VA area for a cave and 
karst specialist.
Here is the link.
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[Texascavers] Honey Creek article

[Geary Schindel]

San Antonio Express News article on Honey Creek. State approves purchase and 
addition to Guadalupe State Park.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Texas-Parks-Honey-Creek-Ranch-San-Antonio-16414142.php?sid=5ad9eeabcdb7ec63237d23b4_source=newsletter_medium=email_content=headlines_campaign=SAEN_210Report

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Re: [Texascavers] Vico Jones awarded NSS Fellow

[Geary Schindel]

Congratulations Vico, The fellow is much deserved.

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From: Texascavers  on behalf of Bill 
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Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 5:02:34 PM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: [Texascavers] Vico Jones awarded NSS Fellow

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[Texascavers] Cave Calendars

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Bill is looking for the Texas Women and Texas Calendars for the NSS Library. If 
anyone has some they would like to donate to the library, they can be sent to 
Bill Torode, National Speleological Society, 6001 Pulaski Pike, Huntsville, AL 
35810-1122

Thanks,

Geary

From: Bill Torode 
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 10:03 PM
To: Geary Schindel 
Subject: Cave Calendars

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Hello Sue and Geary
Hope everyone is well in Texas. I just ran 
across an old article about Texas Women and Texas calendars. Do you have any 
old calendars that you might donate to the NSS library calendar collection ? 
everything going well here in Huntsville. Keep Kaving Bill Torode NSS 5013 LF.
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[Texascavers] The NSS Great Debate and election for directors of the NSS.

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

The great NSS Debate is now up on the NSS Youtube channel. I would encourage 
you to view the web page and get an idea of where the candidates for director 
stand on the direction and various issues impacting the NSS We have 16 people 
running for five positions.

Ballots are being emailed and/or mailed out and you should be receiving one 
soon. Eligible NSS members with a valid email address on file will receive an 
email with online voting instructions. The online ballot will be open from 
April 8, 2021 to May 24, 2021.

Members without a valid email address on file will receive a postcard with 
instructions for voting online or obtaining a paper ballot. When  you receive 
your ballot, follow the instructions carefully and be sure to send/mail it to 
be received by May 24, 2021.

Results will be reported on the NSS web page and in the August NSS News. Thanks 
for the hard work from our Nominating Committee, Nathan Farrar, Mike Hood, and 
Alex Sproul; the members that have stepped forward to run for the board, and 
Hazel Barton and Derek Bristol for hosting the debate.

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Re: [Texascavers] Crane Bat Cave Clean Up, Sunday, March 14 2021

[Geary Schindel]

Bill,

This is actually near San Antonio/Helotes area.

Geary

From: Bill Bentley 
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 8:21 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Geary Schindel ; 
bexargro...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Crane Bat Cave Clean Up, Sunday, March 14 2021

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I have been all over King mountain and any other hill all the way to Indian 
mesa around Crane Texas, I did not even know there was a cave there, more or 
less with bats, I must have missed that one, but I do tend to forget things 
these days.

Bill
On 3/15/2021 8:09 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Folks,

The San Antonio Kickoff for the International Year of Caves and Karst was last 
Sunday, March 14, 2021.

I want to thank everyone that came out to the Crane Bat Cave property cleanup. 
The weather was cool and overcast and we were able to fill two twenty-yard roll 
offs with ranch waste. We also created some piles of trash we had drug out of 
the weeds which will make cleaning up the property easier in the future. 
Materials ranged from shingles, sheet metal, an old chicken coop, boards, old 
swing set, wire, fencing, more wire, glass, and more sheet metal. There was 
also a large metallic disc that was too large to pick up and was hot to the 
touch. We tried to break it up with a sledgehammer, axe, grinder, reciprocating 
saw, cutting torch, and couldn't dent or even scratch it (You know if Paul and 
Stephen Bryant can't tear it up, it has got to be tough). We figured we could 
get some worth decent beer money with it at the scrap yard.  We could hear 
something moving around inside but couldn't see in the windows. I slapped a 
yellow bat sticker on the thing and left it for the next cleanup.

We had about 28 people attend the event. I think the Aggies drove the furthest 
to get there and always put in a great effort. Others came from Austin and the 
rest from the San Antonio area. Here is a list of people that attended. (I'm 
sure I'll get some of the names wrong but folks need to learn how to write 
their names so an old man can read them.)
Mike Yang (Austin), Alan Montemayor (aka Curly Merkin), Nat Clark, Kori 
Dunaway, Richard Silver, Adam Dow, Mauri Attil, Marco Ramos, Srirm Madabushi, 
Tom Florer, Mark Dobson, Mark Walker, Sara Ranzau, Liz Brearley, Catherine 
Daas, Dilan Klessel, Alyson Lipsett, Garry White, Bobby Randolph, Isabell 
Petersen, Chelsea Parada, Paul Bryant, Rebecca Bryant, Liam Bryant, Stephen 
Bryant, Marrin Atzil, Leia Hill, Geary Schindel, and Engledink Humperbert 
(British singer that provided entertainment.)

The Crane Bat Cave property was acquired to protect the contributing zone of 
the Edwards Aquifer and will be used as a nature preserve. We contributed about 
four hours labor each with 28 people for a total of 112 person hours of work. 
At $15 per hour, our efforts were valued at $1,680. I used the $15 amount since 
we're dealing with skilled caver labor and many have prior  experience picking 
up trash along the highway (the orange jumpsuit crowd). I would have valued the 
work even higher, but we couldn't get the metal disc cut into smaller pieces. 
Maybe Galen will come down next time and do a little micro-shaving with some 
diamond bits.

Jim Bowie's buried silver was not found under the trash piles but I'm sure it's 
there. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Thanks to everyone that helped. It was nice to get folks together, do a little 
socializing (at a distance) and I  It has earned us a lot of good will with the 
city.

Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] Crane Bat Cave Clean Up, Sunday, March 14 2021

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

The San Antonio Kickoff for the International Year of Caves and Karst was last 
Sunday, March 14, 2021.

I want to thank everyone that came out to the Crane Bat Cave property cleanup. 
The weather was cool and overcast and we were able to fill two twenty-yard roll 
offs with ranch waste. We also created some piles of trash we had drug out of 
the weeds which will make cleaning up the property easier in the future. 
Materials ranged from shingles, sheet metal, an old chicken coop, boards, old 
swing set, wire, fencing, more wire, glass, and more sheet metal. There was 
also a large metallic disc that was too large to pick up and was hot to the 
touch. We tried to break it up with a sledgehammer, axe, grinder, reciprocating 
saw, cutting torch, and couldn't dent or even scratch it (You know if Paul and 
Stephen Bryant can't tear it up, it has got to be tough). We figured we could 
get some worth decent beer money with it at the scrap yard.  We could hear 
something moving around inside but couldn't see in the windows. I slapped a 
yellow bat sticker on the thing and left it for the next cleanup.

We had about 28 people attend the event. I think the Aggies drove the furthest 
to get there and always put in a great effort. Others came from Austin and the 
rest from the San Antonio area. Here is a list of people that attended. (I'm 
sure I'll get some of the names wrong but folks need to learn how to write 
their names so an old man can read them.)
Mike Yang (Austin), Alan Montemayor (aka Curly Merkin), Nat Clark, Kori 
Dunaway, Richard Silver, Adam Dow, Mauri Attil, Marco Ramos, Srirm Madabushi, 
Tom Florer, Mark Dobson, Mark Walker, Sara Ranzau, Liz Brearley, Catherine 
Daas, Dilan Klessel, Alyson Lipsett, Garry White, Bobby Randolph, Isabell 
Petersen, Chelsea Parada, Paul Bryant, Rebecca Bryant, Liam Bryant, Stephen 
Bryant, Marrin Atzil, Leia Hill, Geary Schindel, and Engledink Humperbert 
(British singer that provided entertainment.)

The Crane Bat Cave property was acquired to protect the contributing zone of 
the Edwards Aquifer and will be used as a nature preserve. We contributed about 
four hours labor each with 28 people for a total of 112 person hours of work. 
At $15 per hour, our efforts were valued at $1,680. I used the $15 amount since 
we're dealing with skilled caver labor and many have prior  experience picking 
up trash along the highway (the orange jumpsuit crowd). I would have valued the 
work even higher, but we couldn't get the metal disc cut into smaller pieces. 
Maybe Galen will come down next time and do a little micro-shaving with some 
diamond bits.

Jim Bowie's buried silver was not found under the trash piles but I'm sure it's 
there. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Thanks to everyone that helped. It was nice to get folks together, do a little 
socializing (at a distance) and I  It has earned us a lot of good will with the 
city.

Geary Schindel
Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Senior Hydrogeologist
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[Texascavers] Crane Bat Cave Cleanup Information - Sunday, March 14th. Helotes, Texas (northern San Antonio).

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,
We've received permission for the Bexar Grotto clean-up effort at the Crane Bat 
Cave property on Sunday, March 14.   All of the volunteers will work in groups 
of 10 or less and each group will be assigned to various areas of the property. 
To participate, you will need to visit the link below and complete all the 
information.  It's pretty painless.  For Question #7, you can list "Bexar 
Grotto" or "Crane Bat Cave property" as your response.  Either will be 
sufficient for the city's recordkeeping.
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You must sign the release before attending. Cell phone reception on the 
property may be limited.
Who can come
There is not a limit on the number of folks that can be on the property, 
however, we will be working in groups of 10 or less. We will need to keep a 
spacing of six feet and if we will be closer, you must have a mask. Strong back 
and weak mind types are encouraged to attend. If you are under the age of 18, 
you will need to have a parent or guardian sign the release for you.
Clean up is open to anyone that can fog a mirror so cavers, friends of cavers, 
and people who would like to be friends with caves. (for our non-caver friends, 
you will have an opportunity to get your picture taken with a caver).
What we will be doing
We're going to be dragging trash out of the woods and stacking it in piles or 
placing it in a rolloff.
This material includes piping, sheet metal, wire, glass, ranch garbage, 
ceramic, old wood, etc.
There are locations near the parking area, old homestead, barn, and trash 
pile/sinkhole. There is another cave reported on the property which I think is 
under a pile of trash.
When
We will start at 9 am on Sunday, March 14, 2021. Arrive anytime after that. 
Between 9 and 9:15, we'll be doing a yoga warmup.
We will work from mid to late afternoon.
Where
The property is located on Scenic Loop Road in Helotes. To get there from the 
intersection of Highway 16 and Loop 1604 in northern San Antonio. Go north on 
16 for 2.7 miles to Scenic Loop Road. Turn right on Scenic Loop Road and travel 
for 4 miles.
The address is 20845 Scenic Loop Road. It will be on the left hand side (west 
side) of the road. Google maps has it listed as turning left onto Emily Ridge 
Road. This is a dirt (ranch) road. The gate will be open. Drive through the 
gate, cross the small drainage, bear left and go up the hill to the parking 
area (about 200 yards). Park but don't block the road.
Recommended Equipment
Gloves, sturdy shoes, appropriate clothes for working in bush
Shovels, garden rakes, wheel borrows, loppers,
Safety glasses, hardhats (caving helmets), etc.
Mask and hand sanitizer
Radio or wifi speaker system so that we keep a good tempo for work. Otherwise, 
you will be expected to sing while you work. People who can carry a tune will 
be made chain gang bosses (I mean group leaders).
Lunch
It's a pretty good drive from the property to anyplace to eat so we recommend 
that you bring lunch.
After the cleanup
There is a nearby barbeque place that has outside dining in Helotes. We may go 
there after we're done working.
Why:
(Primary Reason) This property is owned by the City of San Antonio and it is 
part of the City's Edwards Aquifer Protection Program. The property is not 
located over the recharge zone but runoff from the property contributes water 
to the aquifer through overland flow.
(Secondary Reason)
This is the International Year of Caves and Karst
People need to go outside and feel productive and get to see other people.
Contacts
Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] Cancellation of Crane Bat Cave Cleanup

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

We are cancelling the cleanup at Crane Bat Cave scheduled for this Saturday, 
February 20th.

We are still proposing to have another cleanup out there on Sunday, March 12.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] NSS Landowner Relations Network

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,




For your information, the NSS has a committee to recognize landowners. 
Considering that most caving in Texas occurs on private property, this 
committee and their program is a great way to recognize those landowners. I've 
included information on the program below and how to nominate someone. This 
year, I'm proud to relate that four landowners in Texas have been recognized 
for 2020.

Tom Summers - Cave Without a Name Texas
Bill Cofer - Annandale Ranch Texas
Joyce Moore - Honey Creek Cave Texas
The Wuest Family - Natural Bridge Caverns Texas

Geary Schindel

The NSS Landowner Relations Network Committee

The NSS Landowner Relations Network Committee Certificate of Appreciation 
recognizes
individuals or groups that are cave landowners or land managers whose efforts 
have been
especially supportive of cavers and the mission of the NSS. Landowners who are 
recognized
with this award have demonstrated their commitment to caves and their 
cooperation with
cavers. This Certificate of Appreciation not only recognizes previous 
contributions, but also
promotes future cooperation and positive relationships between cavers and 
landowners.
Multiple awards are granted each year.
The criteria for the Certificate of Appreciation includes:
1. The NSS Landowner Relations Network Committee Certificate of Appreciation 
will be
given to individual(s) or group(s) who own land or manage land in the United 
States and
whose efforts are in the interests of the NSS. Others who might not own or 
manage land but
have made meritorious contributions related to Landowner-Caver Relations, may 
also be
considered on a case-by-case basis.
2. The recipient has been friendly to cavers, including access to their caves 
and property.
3. The recipient is protective of caves, karst, and all resources that impact 
these fragile
environments.
4. The recipient will have made contributions to caving through ongoing 
relations and
cooperation with the caving community.
Applications are processed throughout the year and on a continual basis. 
Applicants will be
notified of the decision of the NSS Landowner Relations Network Awards 
Sub-committee
within 1-2 weeks of request submission.
To apply for a Certificate of Appreciation from the NSS Landowner Relations 
Network
Committee, please email your completed application to 
l...@caves.org<mailto:l...@caves.org> or mail it to:

NSS Landowner Relations Network Committee

Attn: Julie Schenck-Brown
146 Shooting Star Trail
Gurley, AL 35748

Questions? Please contact the NSS Landowner Relations Network Chair at
l...@caves.org<mailto:l...@caves.org>

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[Texascavers] FW: [BexarGrotto] Grotto Meeting and Excellent Presentation Tonight

[Geary Schindel]

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Bexar Grotto Meeting.
Agenda for our meeting starting at 7PM, link below

National Cave and Karst Management Symposium Sponsorship
Easing restrictions in city parks
Upcoming trips

  *   Simulated Cave Climbing
  *   Hill Country State Natural Area
Cavefishes of Mexico: Biology and Hydrogeology
William R. Elliott, PhD
The origin of cavefish is governed by cave hydrogeology and the characteristics 
of the cave colonizers. Bill will show slides and diagrams to cover 13 species 
of cavefish from the Texas border to Yucatán, and discuss the current 
scientific thinking about the modes of cave colonization and evolution.

Topic: Bexar Grotto Zoom Meeting
Time: Sep 28, 2020 06:45 PM Central Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas events for the International Year of Caves and Karst 2021?

[Geary Schindel]

Jim,

I got a message that the NCKMS is set up as a vendor. I'll get your paperwork 
setup and send in a PO. Can you send me an Invoice for $500 and we'll get you a 
check cut. Date the invoice for September 17th so I have a few days to cut the 
PO. I'm in the field tomorrow.

Thanks,

Geary

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Jim Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:15 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas events for the International Year of Caves and 
Karst 2021?

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Yes. A group of us are organizing the 2021 National Cave and Karst Management 
Symposium on San Marcos on 1-5 November. Hopefully we’ll have the website live 
this weekend.

Crash

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Diana Tomchick 
>  wrote:
>
> I'm posting this here to see if either the TSA or any Texas grottoes have 
> started planning an event for the International Year of Caves and Karst 2021. 
> This link is to an excellent planning guide written by George Veni, the 
> International Union of Speleology President. Events can be as simple as 
> lectures for public and school groups, community clean-ups of trash in 
> sinkholes or graffiti in caves to public conferences, symposia or other 
> meetings on important cave and karst issues in your area (OK, that last one 
> might not be so simple, and require a lot more time). Perhaps a multi-grotto 
> event or two, or even some already planned events could also be 
> cross-promoted as an event for the International Year of Speleology. Let's 
> hear some ideas!
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Re: [Texascavers] Auction in Austin and Denton

[Geary Schindel]

Yes, it would make a great prop for a movie or for a mad scientist man cave. I 
have no doubt that one of our creative Austin cavers could get it working again 
LOL.

It probably cost well north of $100,000 when new and is now worth $35.

For all you serious geeks out there, just to say, I’m rebuilding an electron 
microscope in the garage would be worth some cool points. Of course you’re 
never get a date.

I asked Sue if I could get it and she said no.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Diana 
Tomchick
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 5:28 PM
To: Cave Tex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Auction in Austin and Denton

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Hahahahahaha good work if you can get that ancient electron microscope even 
turned on.

Diana

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UT Southwestern Medical Center
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(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Aug 20, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Geary Schindel 
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EXTERNAL MAIL

Folks,

There is a company called Slap Sale which liquidates surplus equipment or from 
industries that are closing.

They’re held across Texas but thought that folks may be interested in the 
auctions in Austin and Denton. In particular, if you’ve ever wanted to own an 
electron microscope, here is your chance. Bids are running around $35.00 and 
there is more than one. You can do your own covid tests by looking for the 
virus in your blood.

There are also more than 800 bottles of vodka which would probably last a 
lifetime (or at least the life of your liver).

More caving related (not that the vodka isn’t), but there are some map files, 
office files, desks, screens, drafting tables, scads of electronic equipment, 
chairs and other construction and deconstruction equipment, and fume hoods (in 
case you’re exceptionally gasses) that is for sale very cheap. Anyway, you can 
probably google slapsales or email me and I can forward you the link. Here is 
the links for some of the sales.

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[Texascavers] Auction in Austin and Denton

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

There is a company called Slap Sale which liquidates surplus equipment or from 
industries that are closing.

They're held across Texas but thought that folks may be interested in the 
auctions in Austin and Denton. In particular, if you've ever wanted to own an 
electron microscope, here is your chance. Bids are running around $35.00 and 
there is more than one. You can do your own covid tests by looking for the 
virus in your blood.

There are also more than 800 bottles of vodka which would probably last a 
lifetime (or at least the life of your liver).

More caving related (not that the vodka isn't), but there are some map files, 
office files, desks, screens, drafting tables, scads of electronic equipment, 
chairs and other construction and deconstruction equipment, and fume hoods (in 
case you're exceptionally gasses) that is for sale very cheap. Anyway, you can 
probably google slapsales or email me and I can forward you the link. Here is 
the links for some of the sales.

https://www.slapsale.com/ss/?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=93637375&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--BlovGLtVpxcDQLnfpP-WLMiry6cA1VKu-4bENaCWReGuKGR1Q7UMD05bE7bo55aA3gpMHPk_yaNVl3Ddbin4O0jpleQl6KWyFt842FFEcjZnTuXM_content=93637375_source=hs_email#!/auctions?ilt=1=40477

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[Texascavers] National Speleological Society announces the Expansion of Nature Preserves

[Geary Schindel]

[cid:image002.png@01D66C23.23073B60]National Speleological Society Press 
Release For Immediate Release


CONTACT INFORMATION:
The National Speleological Society
6001 Pulaski Pike, Huntsville, AL 35810
Amanda Willis, NSS 36141
NSS PR Division Chief
p...@caves.org
Julie Schenck-Brown, NSS 30493 RL, FE
NSS Preserves & Acquisitions Co-Chair/Landowner Relations Chair
preser...@caves.org

RELEASE DATE:
August 3, 2020

National Speleological Society Announces the Expansion of
Nature Preserves
NSS Headquarters, Huntsville, AL - The National Speleological Society (NSS) is 
excited to announce the expansion of our Preserves with the acceptance of land 
to create the NSS Myrna Attaway Nature Preserve in Tennessee and expand the NSS 
Sims Sink Nature Preserve in Florida. In addition, we have also started a new 
partnership with the Black Hills Cave and Nature Conservancy (BHCNC) to help 
manage seven caves at the newly created Dahm Springs Nature Preserve in South 
Dakota.
The newly created NSS Myrna Attaway Nature Preserve near Pelham, Tennessee, 
features the mile-long Red Trillium Cave and a rustic camping area located 
among mature hardwood forests. The NSS Board of Governors voted to accept this 
generous donation from John Attaway, NSS 16582 RL, a 45-year member of the 
Society and cave landowner. Upon conferring the donation of 17 acres to the 
NSS, John requested that the Preserve be named for his daughter, Myrna, who is 
also a long-time NSS member and one of the original surveyors of the cave. John 
Attaway was also recognized by the NSS with the prestigious 2020 Outstanding 
Landowner Award at their annual Awards Banquet.
"John has promoted cave conservation, access, exploration, and education as a 
member and a landowner. His donation to the NSS reflects a legacy of loyalty 
and support of the caving community," states Julie Schenck-Brown, NSS Preserve 
& Acquisition Co-Chair & Landowner Relations Chair, "It is truly an honor to 
recognize John with this award."
In accordance with the management plan, access to Red Trillium Cave and the 
camping area will be handled by Kristine Ebrey, NSS 58439 RL, FE, and Maureen 
Handler, NSS 23239 RL, CM, CO, FE. These NSS Preserve Managers are area cavers 
that will be the public face of the NSS who work with our membership and 
visitors to coordinate access through a permit system that will include a 
release and adherence of visitation guidelines.
Kristine and Maureen can be contacted at 
redtrill...@caves.org to request information, 
including the Preserve Access Policy, and to schedule a visit to the NSS Myrna 
Attaway Nature Preserve.
The NSS also accepted donation of land to expand the NSS Sims Sink Nature 
Preserve in Florida as a gift from Buford Pruitt, Jr., NSS 17920 RL, FE, who 
also serves on the Preserve Management team. The Preserve, which is a 
significant biological habitat for the Santa Fe Cave Crayfish, Procambarus 
erythrops, and two species of cave amphipods, Crangonyx hobbsi and Crangonyx 
grandimanus, is the sight of ongoing research and demonstrates that our 
Preserves offer so much more as recreational cave diving is not allowed in Sims 
Sink Cave. As an additional gift to the Society, Dan Henry, NSS 47794, prepared 
the legal description of this gift which expands the NSS Sims Sink Nature 
Preserve by approximately 1 +/- acre.
The NSS is also excited to announce a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with 
the Black Hills Cave and Nature Conservancy (BHCNC) of South Dakota. The BHCNC 
completed its first land acquisition in 2020, the Dahm Spring Nature Preserve, 
which protects 46 acres and seven caves thanks to the kindness of Marilyn Dahm 
Borgeson. Under the terms of the MOU and the Management Plan for the Dahm 
Spring Nature Preserve, access will be jointly managed by the BHCNC and the NSS.
"The BHCNC is excited to work with the NSS to make its first preserve, an NSS 
preserve.  Our joint mission of access and preservation align so well, that we 
couldn't hope for a better partner," reports Adam Weaver, NSS Administrative 
Vice-President and Vice-Chair of BHCNC, "Marilyn wanted to ensure that these 
caves would be preserved and cared for, for generations to come. It was her 
thought that "the cavers" would be the best stewards of the land, and we plan 
to live up to her expectations."
Whether it's a trip to look around, a proposal to explore the caves in new 
ways, or even if you want to scuba dive the lakes, the first steps to access 
the Dahm Springs Nature Preserve are to read the Preserve Access Policy and 
visit to blackhillscaves.org to arrange a visit.
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With more than 7,000 members and 250 grottos (chapters), the National 
Speleological Society (NSS) is the largest organization in the world working 
every day to further the exploration, study, and protection of caves and their 
environments, and foster fellowship among 

[Texascavers] Cancellation of 7th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop in October 2020 at Cave Without a Name

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

I'm sorry to say that we have decided to cancel the 7th Texas Hydro Geo 
Workshop scheduled for October 2020 at Cave Without a Name. The cancelation is 
a result of the Covid 19 pandemic. We hope to reschedule the workshop for the 
spring or fall of 2021.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek new update 5/22/20

[Geary Schindel]

Mimi,

We’re all pulling for Jim and you. Sounds like you made the right (but 
difficult) decision. Hang in there, it will get better.

Geary Schindel

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Michael 
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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 10:14 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek new update 5/22/20

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Mimi,

You had a tough decision to make but ultimately it comes down to the best care 
for Jim and his recovery.  I feel that most of these facilities have a handle 
on the COVID-19 situation so Jim should be in good hands. I'm sure you will be 
able to visit by phone. Hopefully the desire to go home will increase his drive 
for a speedier recovery.

Let us know of you need anything. Keep the faith and keep us posted.

Mike

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 9:50 PM Mimi Jasek 
mailto:mjca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well, another change to the plan. They had asked me yesterday if I wanted them 
to dig deeper into new law to get Jim into rehab,  and I said no. Hence my 
update yesterday. But family was worried about me, for it really is just me, so 
I texted doc late last night and said check. He and case manager spent all day 
doing that, for they could not get the PT and stroke/brain/memory help they 
feel he needs through home health etc here without it costing me an arm and a 
leg. So, after two management meetings and a negative COVID test, I got a call 
from the center his doc really wanted him to go to that he was accepted - but 
law won’t allow me to go. No visitation either. All because of unreported 
deaths, virus cases etc in nursing homes and rehab centers!  And because he 
hops out of bed and tries to go where he wants, he will be in a lock down unit. 
 So.

I feel he would get better faster at home mentally, but I can not give him the 
other things he needs. I have to be honest about my physical limitations and 
accept help. My family is ecstatic for both our sakes, and I have to find a way 
to be at peace with this.  At least I know this facility, for Jim’s mom has 
been here for years - even in same unit for a few of those years. She will be 
103 in August, but is now in a unit where she gets the extra physical help she 
needs. Due to virus, though, they will not be allowed to see one another. I 
also know the director of admissions from seeing her around when visiting Jim’s 
mom, and from my work. She is a member of the credit union and member/ friend 
of my boss.  When they had to refuse us yesterday, she saw my name and called 
me personally. Then today called back with the Yes for Jim, but no for me. Case 
worker really tried to get special exemption for me, but that only works for 
end of life residents for last goodbyes. Again, law. They have wonderful PT, 
and specialize in all things memory and brain related -  what Jim needs. They 
have weekly FaceTime day for each wing, and Jim supposedly could get an aid to 
call me so he can talk to me. No phones or tvs in rooms, which is great since 
Jim does not really watch TV. All private rooms with shared bathrooms.

I have to list positive aspects to help cope with the fact he may go nuts when 
he does not have access to me for two-three weeks. They moved that rascal to a 
different room - right across from the nurses station to keep an eye on him 
better - and he had a nurse call me because he was scared, did not know where 
he was, where was I etc earlier today. Yet they told me this morning before 
that he was totally lucid, answered all their questions correctly, and even 
called doctor by his correct name! I need positive thought and prayer for him 
to be able to handle this separation so as to heal, get better and stronger, 
and come home to me.

For those who know him well, you know he is a friendly guy. When I asked how he 
did today, they said he walked around - with a belt restraint to catch or guide 
him, but no walker -  sat up in his chair for over an hour, and hung out with 
them at the nurses desk for about an hour and a half. I was like ?? Standing 
up?? They said he seemed restless and bored and kept asking for me, so they 
brought him to the desk and sat him in a chair, and he entertained them.  I was 
like were you entertained? The young man laughed and said “oh yeah”.  Jim does 
not drink, but give him a brain event, and no telling what he said! I did have 
another tech ask me if I really met him on a caving trip, and he and another 
said it sounded like we had both had quite an interesting life with many 
adventures. I think they will miss him, and probably why my ears were burning?! 
I bet the walls at that desk will never be the same, and they know things about 
us that would make me blush!! But I wish I had been there to enjoy the show 

Will be there early and stay till he goes to rehab to make sure we say goodby, 
and explain again what is happening and why. Wish me luck, and don’t judge me 
too harshly for getting him help outside of home.

Stay safe, be well, and go find a cave!

Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek

[Geary Schindel]

Mimi,

Tell him the NSS is pulling for him and to get well soon.

Thanks for keeping us informed and don't forget to take care of yourself, also.

Geary Schindel



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Mimi,

Yes, please tell him whenever you can about his many friends and how we care 
for him. Physically unresponsive does not always mean mentally unaware of what 
is happening. He may very well hear you and take comfort from your words.

And while are writing and focusing on Jim, don't forget that you are dear to 
many of us as well.

George


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-Original Message-
From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Mimi Jasek
Sent: Friday, 8 May, 2020 13:17
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek

I will when I am allowed to see him. He is still basically unresponsive, but I 
will tell him anyway.

Mimi

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2020, at 2:08 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
>
> Sorry, Mimi. Give James my regards and my wish for a full recovery. I’ve 
> heard from him a couple of times recently and he seemed nostalgic.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
>> On May 8, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Mimi Jasek  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> For those of you who know him, I just wanted to update you on a 
>> health event for him.  He has been on lock down due to virus since he 
>> had a checkup for the success of a Watchman implanted in his heart to 
>> get him off blood thinners on March 17th.  He also just had his 
>> annual physical this week.  All good all around.  I always call him 
>> before leaving work to see if I need to make a stop or pick up 
>> something for dinner.  When I could not reach him last night, I came 
>> straight home and found him in his recliner breathing roughly - but 
>> unresponsive.  He is in Providence Hospital ICU on a ventilator.  He 
>> has had some kind of major stroke event - whether from a clot from 
>> his heart or a seizure we do not know.  He bit his tongue, and 
>> although the usual paralysis on left side as from a stroke, no other 
>> normal stroke symptoms.  They are getting him off sedation to see if 
>> they can remove the tube, and we are waiting on all kind of test 
>> results.  I am not even allowed at the hospital due to virus, so wait 
>> at home for call updates from nurse.  In all our years together, this 
>> is the first time I have not been able to be with him, so this is 
>> terribly hard.  If you could keep good thoughts for him, pray, 
>> whatever, we would both appreciate it.  I honestly do not know if - 
>> or how - we will come out of this latest event.  Stay safe, and go 
>> caving when you can.  Mimi Jasek 
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Re: [Texascavers] cave on ranch near leakey

[Geary Schindel]

Nancy,

We have been, PM me at tablechair1...@gmail.com and I may be able to help.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

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Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2020 5:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] cave on ranch near leakey

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anyone working in a cave on a ranch at the headwaters of the trio?  I met a 
woman in Taos today who lived on that ranch and was trying to describe it to me.
just wondering if it has a name, don’t want a lead or to know where it is.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] Passing of MJ Gibbons

[Geary Schindel]

Reported from Fran Hutchins his Facebook page.
I know everyone isn't on Facebook and thought this should be shared with the 
caving community.


Sad news, suddenly and unexpectedly one our own MJ Gibbons past away this 
morning from an apparent heart attack. There was never a dull moment hanging 
around MJ he will be missed. Once I have information from his family about a 
service I will let everyone know

Fran Hutchens.







MJ was a great guy and would do anything in the world for you. He had strong 
conventions and you always knew where he (and you stood).

He was always willing to volunteer and helped at Deep and Punkin with the 
showers, at Robber Baron Cave, the LaChance Sinkhole, and with the Texas Hydro 
Geo Workshop where he played the key role in logistics, set up and tear down.

He will be greatly missed,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Sinkhole Swallows Bus in China

[Geary Schindel]

Mark,

Thanks for sharing, one of the few advantages of having lots of cameras filming 
the public is you do occasionally get some pretty dramatic shots. Not sure this 
is a karst issue or area (and there is certainly some amazing karst in China), 
but is possibly a soil piping issue into some infrastructure such as a storm or 
sanitary sewer. That's one way to can get sinkhole collapses in non-karst area.

Geary


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Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Sinkhole Swallows Bus in China

A full-size bus and several pedestrians were swallowed up when a sinkhole 
suddenly opened in China:
,
.

Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Austin_Water_CER_lunchtime_lectures_announcement_2020.pdf - HUmboldt lectures

[Geary Schindel]

Dang,

That is an incredible series, wish I lived closer to Austin. Von Homboldt is 
one of my favorite scientists, he did a lot of work in South America including 
spending time in Quito when there is a statute to him.

One of the great minds of his time and maybe the last renaissance man.

Geary
From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Katherine 
Arens
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:49 PM
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texascavers@texascavers.com; all-gmc 
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: 
Austin_Water_CER_lunchtime_lectures_announcement_2020.pdf - HUmboldt lectures

A friend who works at UT forwarded this to me, and these lectures sound like 
they might be of interest to UT and Austin area folks
sorry for the spam, if not.
katie


"Thought you, and perhaps colleagues in the Germanics Department might find 
content in this series worth promoting student attendance.
I have been to three past presentations of CER's Dr. Kevin M. Anderson. Time 
constraints prevent in depth coverage. He presents his survey of each subject 
as an invested researcher more than a promotional P.R. agent for an entity. A 
trail of reference materials are typically peppered in for the curious to 
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Re: [Texascavers] Archival epoxy

[Geary Schindel]

Tom,

I would recommend that you contact Val and Jim Werker, they may provide you 
with some sources for the epoxy.

I've copied them on the email.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of tom rogers
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Rob,
Yes. For restoration
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mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Archival epoxy

Tom,
is this for cave restoration???
If yes, maybe a larger search area within our community... such as Cavers of 
Facebook or Cavechat.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:38 PM tom rogers 
mailto:decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I'm  looking for recommendations on where to get archival epoxy i.e epon 828 
and curing agent.
Or if anyone has some they would donate. I don't  need very much.
Thanks
Tom Rogers

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Re: [Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

[Geary Schindel]

Jim,

Correct and so noted.

Thanks for responding.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Crash 
Kennedy
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 8:56 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

Geary,

I have lots of information about using culverts to stabilize cave entrances 
(and abandoned mine portals).  However, I must interject a word of caution.  
Caves (unlike mines) often have very specific microclimatic regimes and small 
changes can often alter the airflow and temperature/humidity profiles.  
Therefore, VERY careful consideration must be exercised before recommending 
culvert placement.  This is also important if a bat cave is the subject.  That 
said, many caves (and yes, even mines), have been preserved for wildlife use 
through the installation of culverts.  In an ideal world, some pre-installation 
microclimate modeling and biomonitoring would take place in order to judge the 
effects of the culvert.

Jim

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:43 AM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Folks,

I'm doing some research on the use of culverts to secure cave entrances in 
overburden.

Does anyone have a couple pictures of the shaft and lowering operation in Honey 
Creek Cave.

Thanks,

Geary
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Re: [Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

[Geary Schindel]

Thanks, I’m working on my response to my counseling measure.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Michael 
Harris
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 8:15 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

I have some. I'll dig them out for you.

Mike

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 7:43 AM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Folks,

I'm doing some research on the use of culverts to secure cave entrances in 
overburden.

Does anyone have a couple pictures of the shaft and lowering operation in Honey 
Creek Cave.

Thanks,

Geary

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[Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

I'm doing some research on the use of culverts to secure cave entrances in 
overburden.

Does anyone have a couple pictures of the shaft and lowering operation in Honey 
Creek Cave.

Thanks,

Geary

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[Texascavers] News Flash - Bexar Grotto Holiday Party

[Geary Schindel]

NEWS FLASH - We have a rapidly developing situation at the Schindel household 
as we prepare for the grotto holiday party. There will be a "Pretty" and "Ugly" 
Christmas Sweater contest and it will be judged by a Hollywood "A" lister who 
has told me they will be attending the party. Trust me, the mystery guest will 
be VERY recognizable but they have asked that I not mention their name. They've 
asked that folks be cool and treat them like everyone else.
Other rules for the party
Cavers and guests are welcome.
Don't block my neighbor's driveways
Try not to throw any empty bottles in the front yard
If you want to jump in the hot tub, please bring your own towel or drip-dry 
outside
Don't jump into the hot tub, you'll break your ankle or leg
No mask or snorkels in the hot tub
No pets except service animals or Basset Hounds.
If you need an emotional support animal, you can just hug on me.
Bring a dish, we will have turkey, ham, and brisket.
Be kind to my neighbors, some of them are invited so they won't call the cops 
on us.
Bring a gift if you want to participate in the White Elephant Exchange. Please, 
no live white elephants (see post above about pets and service animals).
All white elephant gifts (except liquor) must go home with the recipients 
unless approved by Sue.
Designated driver rules are in effect.
Party starts at 5 and since Graham works the night shift, he will be Master of 
Ceremonies from 1 am to 6 am.
Stay off the roof.
Address is 11310 Whisper Dawn
Phone is 210.479.two one five one.
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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday Party, Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward

[Geary Schindel]

Excellent, I really hope it works so you guys will invite me back – you all 
have a neat place there. Nothing like spending all that money and time and not 
be successful.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Charles 
Loving
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 8:49 AM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday Party, Saturday, 
December 14 at 5 pm onward

Gary;
I held my Not Dead Yet Party in November and clothes optional appeared on the 
invite and a few covers came nekid good thing they were young. I can't imagin 
some of the geezers nekid.

I want to send you some white elephant pictures I did of bats to give away.

We get the mat today. A month long oddessey may be concluding.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:26 AM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Folks,

Here is a reminder related to the Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday. All cavers 
and guest are welcome.

We are pleased to announce that the Bexar Grotto will be holding their annual 
Holiday Party on Saturday, December 14 from 5 pm onward at Geary and Sue 
Schindel's house at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. Home phone is 
210.479.two one five one.

The grotto will provide a ham and brisket and guests are asked to bring a dish. 
This can range from appetizers to desserts and everything in between.

There will be a white elephant exchange starting around 8 pm.  If you would 
like to participate, please bring a gift. Homemade gifts with a caving theme 
are always appreciated. Generally, gifts are less than $20.

There will be some adult beverages available but you're welcome to bring your 
own.

Well behaved children are welcome but the house is not child proof. No running 
through the house. Children who violate the house rules will be given a sugary 
drink, drum, and puppy as a parting gift.

The hot tub is up and running but please bring your own towel. Any found 
clothes will be brought to the next grotto meeting and auctioned off.

Dress is Holiday casual which means whatever you want it to mean - remember, 
children may be present.

Designated driver rules will be in effect. We have a place for folks to stay - 
you may be on the floor with a camping pad but you will be safe and loved on by 
our cats. We will provide breakfast for those present the next morning (left 
over chips and queso). Uber or Lyft will be happy to take you home but you are 
welcome to stay the night. Please don't block the neighbor's drive ways and 
stay off the roof.

Geary and Sue
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[Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday Party, Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Here is a reminder related to the Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday. All cavers 
and guest are welcome.

We are pleased to announce that the Bexar Grotto will be holding their annual 
Holiday Party on Saturday, December 14 from 5 pm onward at Geary and Sue 
Schindel's house at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. Home phone is 
210.479.two one five one.

The grotto will provide a ham and brisket and guests are asked to bring a dish. 
This can range from appetizers to desserts and everything in between.

There will be a white elephant exchange starting around 8 pm.  If you would 
like to participate, please bring a gift. Homemade gifts with a caving theme 
are always appreciated. Generally, gifts are less than $20.

There will be some adult beverages available but you're welcome to bring your 
own.

Well behaved children are welcome but the house is not child proof. No running 
through the house. Children who violate the house rules will be given a sugary 
drink, drum, and puppy as a parting gift.

The hot tub is up and running but please bring your own towel. Any found 
clothes will be brought to the next grotto meeting and auctioned off.

Dress is Holiday casual which means whatever you want it to mean - remember, 
children may be present.

Designated driver rules will be in effect. We have a place for folks to stay - 
you may be on the floor with a camping pad but you will be safe and loved on by 
our cats. We will provide breakfast for those present the next morning (left 
over chips and queso). Uber or Lyft will be happy to take you home but you are 
welcome to stay the night. Please don't block the neighbor's drive ways and 
stay off the roof.

Geary and Sue
gschin...@mindspring.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Pipeline planned over cave systems in WV

[Geary Schindel]

I understand there are some geopolitical aspects to LNG.  By exporting the gas 
to some of the eastern European countries, it removes there almost total 
reliance on NG from Russia and on more local coal sources. If we must burn 
carbon, I understand that NG is better than coal.

G

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Bill 
Stephens
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 10:16 AM
To: texascavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Pipeline planned over cave systems in WV


I always appreciate insights from both Andy and Mark and I too share concerns 
regarding the karst and the use of ED by both municipalities and corporate 
entities.

The fact remains that this is a gas pipeline, not oil as stated. And rerouting 
around sensitive areas has and can be accomplished through cooperative avenues. 
Much of this gas would be sold into an expanding New York market for Natural 
Gas, but due to the Governors moratorium on pipelines, thousands of residents 
are being denied the opportunity to switch from heating oil, to cleaner, 
cheaper more efficient NG. Instead the gas must be re-routed to the south.

Even if every MCFG over the lifetime of the pipeline is exported, the public 
benefits in a myriad of ways from the tens of thousands of jobs within the 
operations, drilling, associated service industry, pipeline construction and 
export facilities companies, and numerous regulatory entities. Beyond payroll 
taxes, the production taxes will positively impact every county and state with 
production, plus State and Federal income tax revenue. Large sums in royalty 
revenue to the mineral owners will inject money into local economies and result 
in multiple levels of taxes on these income streams. These revenues will 
provide huge shots in the arm to municipal governments for the building of new 
schools, clinics etc.

As long as population increases there will be new infrastructure projects, 
power-lines, pipelines, roads, etc. The scare tactics of an exaggerating and 
deliberately divisive, pseudo news sight is not beneficial to constructive 
discussion and solutions. I am all in on saving the caves!
Bill

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 12:31:11 PM MST, 
grub...@centurytel.net 
mailto:grub...@centurytel.net>> wrote:


Mark hit the nail on the head.  private entities using power of emminent domain 
for personal gain.  rubberstamped by permitting agencies.  At least in Texas 
they are.  Gas destined for export, this is not public benefit in any way.  
They dont bother to do good environmental studies or look at impact of routes.  
Recent court cases in Texas prove that they are lowballing the affected land 
owners in terms of compensation.  While public entities are subjected to 
intense scrutiny any time they use ED not so for these private companies.  They 
plan on running a 48" high pressure natural gas line a couple hundred yards 
from several schools near Kyle  Anyone think thats the best place to put it ?

- Original Message -
From: "mminton" mailto:mmin...@caver.net>>
To: "texascavers" 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Cc: "New Mexico Cavers" 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 1:10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Pipeline planned over cave systems in WV

As you can imagine, this pipeline has caused enormous concern amongst
cavers in the affected areas. Both the Atlantic Coast Pipeline and
another one called the Mountain Valley Pipeline have used eminent domain
for private gain, which has caused a huge outcry. None of the gas from
either will be used in the states along the routes. Both run through
karst areas, and there is so much karst along parts of the routes that
it would be impractical to avoid it entirely. I myself was almost
impacted by the MVP, as one of the routes would have run long-wise
through 80 acres we own in WV, with two caves that form the headwaters
of a major surface stream. Fortunately public outcry finally got it
rerouted to the south (but still not totally off of karst). Much of the
gas these pipelines will carry is destined for export, so it won't even
really benefit most of us in the U. S.

Mark Minton

On 2019-12-04 12:44, Bill Stephens wrote:
> Sorry Lee, but this is a gas pipeline, a significant difference.
> Perhaps working for a pragmatic solution would enable the pipeline to
> be routed around critical karst areas. Increased use of Natural Gas
> versus coal, is the fundamental reason for significant reductions in
> CO2 output in the US over the past decade.
> Bill
>
>  On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 11:09:08 AM MST, Lee H. Skinner
> mailto:skin...@thuntek.net>> wrote:
>
> Do we want an oil pipeline running over West Virginia's cave systems?
>
> https://grist.org/article/tracing-the-path-of-dominion-energys-atlantic-coast-natural-gas-pipeline
>
> Lee
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Re: [Texascavers] Preston has been hacked?!

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

There are all kinds of scams that seem to be going on right now involving the 
NSS, various grottos and now people related to gift cards.

The NSS does have a Giving Tuesday program going on though Facebook and of 
course directly thought our web site.

Geary Schindel

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Dwight Deal
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:59 AM
To: Cave Texas 
Subject: [Texascavers] Preston has been hacked?!

Or at least it looks like it.  The interesting thing is that the message I got 
appears to be from his usual email address.

Dirtdoc
-- Original Message --

To:
Date: November 25, 2019 at 7:23 AM
Subject: Hello
How are you doing?

Please I need a little favor from you. I need to get Amazon gift card for my 
niece, It's her birthday but I can't do this now because I'm currently 
traveling. I tried purchasing online but unfortunately no luck with that. Can 
you get it for me from any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as I am back.

Thanks
Preston




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[Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party, Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

We are pleased to announce that the Bexar Grotto will be holding their annual 
Holiday Party on Saturday, December 14 from 5 pm onward at Geary and Sue 
Schindel's house at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. Home phone is 
210.477.five one two eight.

The grotto will provide a ham and brisket and guests are asked to bring a dish. 
This can range from appetizers to desserts and everything in between.

There will be a white elephant exchange starting around 8 pm.  If you would 
like to participate, please bring a gift. Homemade gifts with a caving theme 
are always appreciated.

There will be some adult beverages available but you're welcome to bring your 
own.

Well behaved children are welcome but the house is not child proof. No running 
through the house. Children who violate the house rules will be given a sugary 
drink, drum, and puppy as a parting gift.

The hot tub is up and running but please bring your own towel. Any found 
clothes will be brought to the next grotto meeting and auctioned off.

Dress is Holiday casual which means whatever you want it to mean - remember, 
children may be present.

Designated driver rules will be in effect. We have a place for folks to stay - 
you may be on the floor with a camping pad. They will be fed breakfast the next 
morning (left over chips and queso). Uber or Lyft will be happy to take you 
home but you are welcome to stay the night. Please don't block the neighbor's 
drive ways and stay off the roof.

Geary and Sue
gschin...@mindspring.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR been selected yet.

[Geary Schindel]

Thanks Diana,

I’m trying to schedule an event in October and wanted to make sure there wasn’t 
any conflicts.

Geary

From: Diana Tomchick 
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:51 AM
To: Cave Tex 
Cc: Geary Schindel 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR been 
selected yet.

15-18 October at BSA Camp Sol Mayer in Menard County, only about 10 miles from 
Powells Cave!


Diana


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(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Jim Kennedy 
mailto:cavercr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

EXTERNAL MAIL

Yup, we announced it at the awards ceremony at this year’s TCR, and also on the 
TCR Facebook page.

Jim

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On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:

Has a date for the 2020 Texas Cavers Reunion been selected yet.

Thanks,

Geary


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[Geary Schindel]

Has a date for the 2020 Texas Cavers Reunion been selected yet.

Thanks,

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Re: [Texascavers] My Lake

[Geary Schindel]

Sounds like you all could use a hydrologist.

I think I may be out that way tomorrow if you would like me to stop by and take 
a look.

Privately message me at the email below and send me your address and any 
directions I may need. I may be able to do a little look at some of the geology 
of the area for you.

Geary
210.326.1576 cell
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From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Charles 
Loving
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:36 AM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] My Lake

The lake is on highway 337 between Leakey and Camp Wood on Pine Mt Road in 
front of my house. We have done all that. We have used dye and like I said 
dumped hundreds of tons of rock, caliche and cement into the lake and are still 
doing that today. Our newghbor is using his front end loaders and three dump 
trucks, moving rocks and dirt. This is the headwater of the Nueches River. The 
springs that feed the lake are still running but no longer roaring like they 
did. There is water but it is no longer five to six acres. My own little creek 
that is a dry weather creek runs during rain events. The water comes off the 
hill and down the gully and pools before it crosses the road about 200 yards 
from the lake and disappears underground. There are a half dozen caves above my 
house in the cliff side. There has to have been a shift below the lake due to 
drought perhaps or something we weren't aware of. One of my neighbors built a 
beautiful cement dam across a  creek that trickled. It never filled and no 
amount of bentonite and such helped. He now has a beautiful useless dam.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jon Cradit 
mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Charlie,
I don’t know where your lake front property is but if you have access to some 
Del Rio Clay you could have that hauled in and rolled out to seal the bottom.  
You may also try doing a small dye trace from your water feature to your well, 
if you have one, and determine if there is a hydraulic connection.

Jon C.


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Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 7:47 PM
To: Gill Ediger mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com>>; Crash 
Kennedy mailto:cavercr...@gmail.com>>; Cavers Texas 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: [Texascavers] My Lake


The lake  at my place is leaking like a sive and loosing water. It has gone 
from 6 acres to about 2.  We have dumped 35 dump trucks of rock and caliche and 
four loads of cement into the thing and it accomplished nothing. I think there 
is a cave, crack or sink hole. We have been working on this for weeks and 
nothing seems to work.

 It is a series of caves I am sure that opened up recently. We have had no rain 
etc. The ground is tinder dry. No rain since January.

When it does rain two or three inches there is a dry weather creek next to my 
house that runs toward the lake but disappears before it reaches it all the 
water goes underground.

I am wonder if the cavers  could use a magnetometer to find the holes? That 
might at least put us on a track toward repairing the lake. We have to do all 
this on our dime and it is getting prohibitive.
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[Geary Schindel]

Interesting, I clicked on it from the Facebook post and it took me right to the 
article.

However, I’m also a subscriber.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Bill 
Bentley
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 9:56 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

Can't read the article as it says you have to be a subscriber of the San 
Antonio Express newspaper.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:51 AM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Folks,

I have a caving post.

I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell, and Joe 
Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron Open House. 
It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also for Elaine and 
Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and degassing. I know 
that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend the event as well as 
all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always great to see cavers - 
young and old to volunteer to support caves and caving events. THANK YOU.

I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major fund 
raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there was some 
great outreach by many of the organizations present including the TSA, Bexar 
Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link to an article 
in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see. 
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
 Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano who 
is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an agent).

I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a 
similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open 
House is a great model.

Thanks,

Geary M. Schindel
President
National Speleological Society
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[Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

I have a caving post.

I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell, and Joe 
Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron Open House. 
It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also for Elaine and 
Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and degassing. I know 
that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend the event as well as 
all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always great to see cavers - 
young and old to volunteer to support caves and caving events. THANK YOU. 

I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major fund 
raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there was some 
great outreach by many of the organizations present including the TSA, Bexar 
Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link to an article 
in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see. 
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
 Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano who 
is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an agent). 

I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a 
similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open 
House is a great model.

Thanks,

Geary M. Schindel
President
National Speleological Society
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[Texascavers] 6th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop, Cave Without a Name, Boerne, Texas October 4-6. 2019

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder that we have a few spots still left to attend the 6th Texas 
Hydro Geo Workshop at Cave Without a Name near Boerne, Texas. The dates are 
October 4 through 6 (Next Friday through Sunday). We have a number of new 
modules and sponsors for the event with folks registered from as far away as 
Kentucky and West Virginia. To register for the event, you can visit 
https://hydrogeoworkshop.org/.

We have more than 40 modules scheduled for the weekend. Those that are cave and 
karst related including:

Cave Surveying presented Marvin Miller and Tom Rogers
Knots presented by Garry White
How to us a GPS receiver by Grant Snyder and P.B. Snyder
Surface Geophysics (Natural Potential) by Mustafa Saribudak, Alf Hawkins, and 
Sebastian Taylor
Stream Gauging presented by Marcus Gary, Kevin Urbanczyk, and Justin Camp
Tracer Testing in Karst by Ralph Ewers, Peter Idstein, Roger Andrade, and Chris 
Russoniello
Cave Geology by Brian Smith
Karst Feature Evaluation using the TCEQ Forms by Phil Pearce and Ben Dilly
Stalagmites as Paleoclimate Archives with Chris Ray and Ligun Tian
Rock Identification with Richard Silver and Jesse Chadwick
Cave Biological Inventory with Benjamin Hutchins
Herpetological Field Survey Techniques with Jenny and tony Blair
Safety in the Vertical Environment - Christopher Franke, Steve Gutierrez, and 
Ross Webb
Field Trip to a Wild Cave with the Bexar Grotto members

A review of the program guide can be found at 
https://hydrogeoworkshop.org/docs/HGWProgram19.pdf

A special thanks to our sponsors including:
Cave Without a Name
AGI - Advanced Geosciences, Inc.
Association of Environmental and Engineering Geologists
Austin Geological Society
Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District
Blair Wildlife Consulting
Cibolo Nature Center
Cow Creek Groundwater Conservation District
DNA Geosciences
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Estwing Mgt Co.
Eureka Waterprobes
Exlog Excellence Logging
Geo Cam Inc.
H.E.B.
Hicks & Company
Raba Kistner
Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists
South Texas Geological Society
SWCA Environmental Consultants
Terracon
USGS Texas Water Science Center
Vortex Drilling
Whole Earth Provisions

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
Co-Chair
Texas Hydro Geo Workshop

















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[Texascavers] Andy Grubb contact

[Geary Schindel]

Andy,

I think your email system thinks I'm spam.

Can you call me when you get a chance.

Geary Schindel

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Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"

[Geary Schindel]

Great post George and he is correct, geophysics isn't cheap or easy.

For those that are interested in seeing many of the different geophysical 
techniques demonstrated, you can attend the 6th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop to be 
held at Cave Without a Name in Boerne, Texas. Dates are Friday, October 4 
through Sunday, October 6. You can register on line at 
https://hydrogeoworkshop.org/  and also review last year's program to get an 
idea of what is offered. The workshop is set up with a series of approximately 
40 modules on various forms of field data collection and interpretation. We 
usually have more than 300 people attend the workshop from across the state and 
surrounding states.

In past years we've had experts in the field demonstrating Electrical 
Resistivity, Ground Penetrating Radar, and Natural Potential in addition to 
numerous borehole geophysical techniques. Other modules include stream gauging, 
water sample collection, field safety, introduction to caving, rock 
identification, aquatic biology, karst feature identification, tracer testing, 
cave geology, environmental drilling, and core analysis, etc.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
Co-Chair
Texas Hydro Geo Workshop

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of George Veni
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 12:59 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"

Microgravity is a great technique, but like everything has its pros and cons. 
The units themselves run in the $70,000-$90,000 range, depending on the model. 
Unlike resistivity and some other methods that give you measurements throughout 
the slice of earth you are studying, microgravity gives data for each point 
measured, which is then interpolated for the areas in between.

If you're looking for typical meter-diameter or smaller karst features found in 
the MOPAC area, you're talking about making measurements every meter if you 
want to maximize the chances of finding them. So if you're looking only at a 
100 m x 100 m area, and measuring a 1-m grid, that's 10,000 individual 
measurements. If the technician making the measurements is good and
very fast, you're looking at best at 1 measurement every 10 minutes, which 
totals nearly 17,000 hours, which at a typical consulting rate for a technician 
of $50/hour that's $85,000 just for the field work, which doesn't include data 
entry, processing, analysis, etc. to get the actual usable results--and the 
folks who will do that will charge substantially more.

I forgot to mention in my previous message that with geophysics you also often 
have to trade depth of study for the level of detail. Usually, if you are 
looking for small features you can't see deeply. If you look deep, you usually 
aren't seeing small features, only big ones. Sometimes two surveys are done by 
the same technique of the same area, one to look shallowly and one deeply.

To complicate matters further and add to the costs, all geophysical techniques 
have strengthens and weaknesses. I usually like to use microgravity and 
electrical resistivity together because they complement each other nicely. 
Where each is weak, the other is strong, so if you get a hit on both you have 
much higher confidence in your interpretation and in avoiding false positives 
and negatives.

No matter what system you choose, high costs and technical complications and 
limitations will keep the effort from being easy or cheap.

George

(Sent from my mobile phone)

George  Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)

NCKRI address (primary)
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Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-5919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
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Re: [Texascavers] BOCKBEER

[Geary Schindel]

David L.,

I hope you know that we (at least I) appreciate your writings as well as the 
colorful character you are. Your road trip reports finding your way to the NSS 
Convention are some of the best written and funniest stuff on the caver net 
every year.

When I first moved to Texas, we were looking for something to do one 
Thanksgiving and hooked up with David to take a trip south of the boarder. We 
were looking to see if anyone wanted to join us and David volunteered. He had 
been to Mexico many times and spoke Spanish well so it seemed like a good fit. 
We drove as far south as Valles and had a wonderful time. We didn’t have an 
agenda and spent some time driving around looking at caves and springs, karst 
areas, staying at various hotels and eating at local restaurants and roadside 
stands, and getting the grand tour. I will say that David has one of the worst 
cases of Sleep Apnea I’ve ever heard (for hours and hours each night I might 
add).

But, is heart is pure and he means no harm or malice to anyone. He enjoys life 
and takes it as it comes.

Viva La David.

G



From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of JamesJasek
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:53 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOCKBEER

I know the guy in the cartoons fit near perfectly.

Jim
Sent from my iPhoneX

On Aug 1, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Tim Stich 
mailto:timstic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That Bockbeer guy reminds me of someone. Ha ha ha.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:15 AM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Wonderful.

Thanks for sharing, nice laugh in the morning.

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] BOCKBEER

[Geary Schindel]

Wonderful.

Thanks for sharing, nice laugh in the morning.

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"

[Geary Schindel]

I think that George nailed it.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of George Veni
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:41 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"

It’s common for people see geophysics as a solution, but it often isn’t that 
easy. The tools are not one-size-fits-all. Some work in certain circumstances 
and poorly, if at all in others. The equipment is expensive and thus not often 
available. NCKRI’s electrical resistivity system cost $82K, plus an additional 
$35K for some needed associated equipment. Maintenance, repair, and calibration 
are also costly, requiring not just money but time and expertise. Of course 
expertise is needed in determining which system to use, how to design your 
survey, and how to process and interpret the results. Then there is the 
difficulty with the karst features themselves. Most features I’ve found in the 
Balcones Fault Zone area are small and difficult to image, unless you increase 
the resolution of the methods which seriously drives up the costs.

All that said, geophysics are great and useful, but just not easy or cheap.

George


George  Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)

NCKRI address (primary)
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-5919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

UIS address
Titov trg 2
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
www.uis-speleo.org

From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 On Behalf Of Carol W Russell
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 14:20
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"

This bothers me.

Should there not be remote sensing surveys required to identify underground 
voids BEFORE starting work building highways and pipelines? Surely there are 
plenty of experts, including cavers in our area, that are able to do that.

Carol

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 1:02 PM Don Cooper 
mailto:wavyca...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I'm surprised it took them this long to dig open a cave.  I think I've seen 
other surface features in that area.

From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
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Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:20 AM
To: CaveTex mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] MOPAC extension meets "karst features"

I took the liberty of cropping out all the unrelated stuff. Enjoy! Jim
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Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

[Geary Schindel]

Well, you may have gotten Douglas “Wrong way” Corrigan’s compass. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Corrigan

He is the guy that filed a flight plan to fly from New York City to Long Beach, 
California  in 1938 but flew to Ireland instead.

I think that massive objects affect gravitational fields but maybe there is a 
magnetic component I’m not aware of. Then again, it may be that you have a bird 
brain and the load stone in your head caused the compass to flip polarity.

It may remain a mystery. I suspect it will end up in Ripley’s Believe it or 
not.”

Geary



From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of 
bmorgan...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:47 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

Geary:

Here you have proof that overrides your cranial density hypothesis. My head was 
directly above the compasses so they all should have been spinning wildly.

[A close up of a rock  Description automatically generated]

Insofar as the vortex is concerned, my previous neighbor was convinced that she 
had brought back a “healing vortex” from Sedona which now resides next door and 
explains both my remarkable ability to recover from injuries and the 
astronomical price for which she sold the swamp in question.

Sleaze

From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 On Behalf Of Geary Schindel
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:23 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

I have not heard of a compass changing polarity before. Interesting but guess 
it is possible to remagnetize the magnet on the compass needle. Then again, 
maybe you were near a vortex like the one’s near Sedona. I understand they can 
do all kinds of strange things such as teleport you back in time, increase your 
chances of being probed by aliens (the interstellar kind), cure you of Herpes, 
etc.

I have seen clinometers get deflected by some who’s heads are approaching Black 
Hole density. LOL.

Actually, I sent a clinometer back to General Supply because it laid in a cave 
stream for about a year and got really funky. They put in a new clinometer 
instrument. When I checked it using a fixed incline plane, it gave me two 
different readings – for example +25 degrees and – 37 degrees.

I called General Supply and they denied that was possible and that they had a 
very expensive machine so it had to be right. Sorry, but it was my problem. 
That’s when I told him that maybe the guy that calibrated the instrument had a 
head that was as dense as a black hole and it was distorting the gravitational 
field in the building. So, I called up the Suunto rep in the US and he said to 
send it to Forestry Supply and they would fix it and Suunto would pay for it. 
Before those of you that know me jump to conclusions, I know it wasn’t my head 
causing the distortion as the instrument worked find when it came back from 
Forestry Supply.

I do remember the Suunto rep mumbling something about General Supply and that 
my assumptions on head density were probably correct.

Geary





From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 On Behalf Of bmorgan...@aol.com<mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:45 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

Everywhere I go I carry a small cheap pocket compass. Oftentimes I even remove 
the plate so all I have to carry is a little round plastic disc not much bigger 
than a silver dollar. Cheap? Yes, but all compasses work which is why you can 
pay $5 and get one that is “guaranteed” to work.

So imaging my puzzlefaction when I was in a thick patch of woods on an overcast 
day and checked my compass bearing. Somehow it seemed all wrong, how did I get 
on the other side of the swamp? So I checked again, and again. Then the sun 
came out and it was setting in the east! Back at the hacienda I set the compass 
on my dining room table to discover that my home had rotated 180 degrees. This 
wasn’t like the “zona de silencio” in Chihuahua where my compass was about 30 
degrees off, it was exactly backwards! I threw it away and got a new one (a 
different brand I think).

The new one worked for about two weeks, then it too suddenly reversed itself. 
This so mystified me that I got out my various other compasses and lined them 
up . All pointed in the right direction except for the new one which was 
exactly backwards. I even took photographs.

I carefully reviewed my activities over the last several months, but had been 
nowhere near any powerful magnets such as an MRI. My Swiss army knife is mildly 
magnetic but I carry it in the other pocket. It is worthy of note that I live 
in a world with very few electromagnetic devices of any kind, my very own zona 
de silencio. I don’t even have cell phone service despite living near a major 
city.

I searched on line for an expla

Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

[Geary Schindel]

I have not heard of a compass changing polarity before. Interesting but guess 
it is possible to remagnetize the magnet on the compass needle. Then again, 
maybe you were near a vortex like the one’s near Sedona. I understand they can 
do all kinds of strange things such as teleport you back in time, increase your 
chances of being probed by aliens (the interstellar kind), cure you of Herpes, 
etc.

I have seen clinometers get deflected by some who’s heads are approaching Black 
Hole density. LOL.

Actually, I sent a clinometer back to General Supply because it laid in a cave 
stream for about a year and got really funky. They put in a new clinometer 
instrument. When I checked it using a fixed incline plane, it gave me two 
different readings – for example +25 degrees and – 37 degrees.

I called General Supply and they denied that was possible and that they had a 
very expensive machine so it had to be right. Sorry, but it was my problem. 
That’s when I told him that maybe the guy that calibrated the instrument had a 
head that was as dense as a black hole and it was distorting the gravitational 
field in the building. So, I called up the Suunto rep in the US and he said to 
send it to Forestry Supply and they would fix it and Suunto would pay for it. 
Before those of you that know me jump to conclusions, I know it wasn’t my head 
causing the distortion as the instrument worked find when it came back from 
Forestry Supply.

I do remember the Suunto rep mumbling something about General Supply and that 
my assumptions on head density were probably correct.

Geary





From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of 
bmorgan...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:45 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

Everywhere I go I carry a small cheap pocket compass. Oftentimes I even remove 
the plate so all I have to carry is a little round plastic disc not much bigger 
than a silver dollar. Cheap? Yes, but all compasses work which is why you can 
pay $5 and get one that is “guaranteed” to work.

So imaging my puzzlefaction when I was in a thick patch of woods on an overcast 
day and checked my compass bearing. Somehow it seemed all wrong, how did I get 
on the other side of the swamp? So I checked again, and again. Then the sun 
came out and it was setting in the east! Back at the hacienda I set the compass 
on my dining room table to discover that my home had rotated 180 degrees. This 
wasn’t like the “zona de silencio” in Chihuahua where my compass was about 30 
degrees off, it was exactly backwards! I threw it away and got a new one (a 
different brand I think).

The new one worked for about two weeks, then it too suddenly reversed itself. 
This so mystified me that I got out my various other compasses and lined them 
up . All pointed in the right direction except for the new one which was 
exactly backwards. I even took photographs.

I carefully reviewed my activities over the last several months, but had been 
nowhere near any powerful magnets such as an MRI. My Swiss army knife is mildly 
magnetic but I carry it in the other pocket. It is worthy of note that I live 
in a world with very few electromagnetic devices of any kind, my very own zona 
de silencio. I don’t even have cell phone service despite living near a major 
city.

I searched on line for an explanation but none could be found. One leading 
compass manufacturer stated that on rare occasions there could be “anomalies”, 
but other than that zip nada.

At present my compass works perfectly. Would one of y’all Texican rocket 
scientists please offer me an explanation of this mystery???

Sleazel



From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 On Behalf Of Logan
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:30 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Dwight 
Deal mailto:dirt...@comcast.net>>; SWR Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Stories:

Dwight's story (see below) about paying $5 for a supposedly "defective" Brunton 
with east and west reversed reminds me of a similar story regarding metric hand 
tapes. Like cavers, archeologists were  the other group I belonged to who 
started using the metric system for documenting sites.  Good quality metric 
hand tapes that could withstand the rigors of field work were hard to find.

Doug Boyd (PhD), a well-known archeologist from the Texas Panhandle (Tulia) 
would stop at every  small-town hardware store (on the square of course) on the 
slim hope they might have some. In Snyder TX, at the far back of the store, he 
actually found a dozen or more still in the original box, with a hand-written 
price of something like "$2 each".

He carried the box up to the old owner at the antique cash register and asked 
"Are these really only $2 each?"  The old man said "Yep" so Doug said he would 
buy the whole box. The old feller looked at him closely 

Re: [Texascavers] various NSS Convention stuff

[Geary Schindel]

Thanks David,

I whipped this out at work and probably should have checked on some of the 
names more carefully. I also misspelled Dave Belski’s name.

Thanks,

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of David
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 4:35 PM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: [Texascavers] various NSS Convention stuff

In the event that someone publishes any of the recent post here by cavers,
I thought I would suggest some grammar corrections to Geary's
post.

1 ) The Fellows Reception
2 ) lightning   ( as opposed to:a drop in the level of the
uterus during the last weeks of pregnancy as the head of the fetus engages in 
the pelvis. )
3 ) Fellows of the Society ( or Society of Fellows ? )
4 )   Jaqueline Thomas ( goes by J. Larue Thomas  ? ) now of Alabama.
5 )  Galan Falgout was accompanied by a lady from the Huautla caving area. 
Meaning she
  came a really long way to attend the convention.


I heard a valid rumor that Maureen Handler played a roll in helping me get from 
my
motel to the registration on Sunday. I had no earthly idea why there was a 
volunteer
camped out at my motel in their car patiently waiting on me to take me to the 
high
school.My only plan was to sleep all day.It was just pure luck that I 
checked my
messages before about to doze off.   I can attest to the high school being 
a tad bit cold, because
I was so exhausted after registering, that I had to make a makeshift homeless 
shelter in
the cafeteria to try to get some shut-eye. And I did not have a blanket in 
my ridiculous
duffle bag.

I think this was my first convention to not see Roy Wessel roaming around 
somewhere.

On the topic of basking in the glory, it is sort of unusual to see so many 
people bragging of
their accomplishments.  But when, you only see someone 5 minutes per year, 
you sort
of have to cram it all in there. A typical conversation, might be, 
something like, "Hello, My
name is David, and I am just hear to be at The Howdy Party for an hour, and 
then, the other person says,
oh, I just mapped a 500 meters of virgin passage in Lech - which was located 3 
hours of hard-core
caving from a remote outpost camp where we camped underground for 4 days, and
I am here to present a slideshow on that, plus I am here to accept an award for 
saving the pristine
Deep Hollow Cave from a pipeline going thru it, saving a new unknown species of 
troglobitic asellid."

I only spent about 6 hours socializing at the convention, and probably met face 
to face with 100 or more
real cavers. It is so hard to remember names, when you only see someone for 
5 minutes per year, and
when one can't associate them, with an object or a place. For example, one 
of the people that I always enjoy seeing, I can't
remember his name.   I think I call him Elvis.  ( his partner Rita passed away 
several years ago ).   I feel that I
should not forget their names, but I do.

Someone needs to set up The Oztotl Tent at Groad Hollow in 2020 at the West 
Virginia Convention.   What
ever happened to it ?Has it been set up since the Kerrville Convention ?

I have not heard anybody talk about the beer at this convention. Many of 
the old-timers seem to remember a
convention based on beer.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] 2019 NSS Convention Quick Trip Report

[Geary Schindel]

On another note,

Dave Belsky received the Outstanding Service Award, Dr. Ralph Ewers from 
Kentucky received the Honorary Member Award, and Stan Allison received the Lew 
Bicking Award.

Dave and Tracy Jackson received the Group Conservation Award for Cave Sim.

Rod Dennison receive the Steve Hudson Award presented by the NCRC.

RD Milhollin was named a Fellow of the society along with a number of other 
folks.

Geary Schindel


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From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Geary 
Schindel
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:35 AM
To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com' 
Subject: [Texascavers] 2019 NSS Convention Quick Trip Report


Folks,

The NSS Convention was excellent and even though David L. didn't mention me, I 
did stop for a moment, shake his hand, and run off to another meeting.

Much of my time was spent in the Board of Governors meeting on Monday and 
Friday, Tuesday and Thursday afternoons, I was with Benjy Von Cramon helping 
present our session on the 3D Photorealistic model of a nice Texas Cave. We had 
a very good turnout both days.

On Wednesday, I went caving with the Junior Speleological Society and had a 
great time in Lost Creek Cave. It had been many years since I was in the cave. 
Really nice trip, the kids did great. We had the fellows reception one night 
and another meeting with the NSF on another night.

The Photo Salon was excellent and well attended on Thursday night. On Friday 
night, the NSS Awards Banquet was held and finished up about 10 minutes before 
a major wind and rain storm hit. Two tornadoes touched down some ways north and 
south of Cookeville with some minor damage. There was a lightening strike in or 
near the campground. The large circus tent set up at the campground survived 
but many other tents were damaged.

I think there were more than 1,100 people attending the event for the full 
week. The campground facilities seemed to be very nice but Sue and I had gotten 
a hotel room which was a good call.  The campground was about 15 minutes from 
Cookeville High School where the sessions were held. The high school was in 
great shape and was a great venue for the meeting. The only complaint I heard 
was that it was very cold (I had heard that there was an advisory that ice may 
form in some of the hallways).

We've decided at next year's convention to announce the new fellows of the 
society on Monday but still present them with their certificates on Friday at 
the Awards Banquet. This will give the new fellows an opportunity to bask in 
the glory for the entire week.

Great selection of caves available for the event including Camps Gulf, Blue 
Springs, Lost Creek, Rumbling Falls and many more.

There were lots of Texans present at the convention including Guin and Colin 
(and the young'un (and he is quite the smiler and may have had the best time of 
all), Galan, Drew, Preston and Sheri, Mike Harris, David Locklear, Bill 
Bentley, Jacquie Thomas and many others.

There were storms almost every day including the Monday evening Howdy Party and 
the Friday banquet. No one was hurt during the storms. The stands at the 
campground/fairground were storm shelters and I think that many folks took 
shelter under the concrete stands and continued to party on - at least on 
Friday night. Once the storms passed, folks went to the party barn. We didn't 
attend the Terminal Syphons but I heard the music was great again this year. 
Camping was cool but wet.

Maureen Handler and Frank Bogle and staff did a great job. It was very well 
organized and executed. It was in a wonderful part of the country and great to 
be back in Tennessee, land of 10,000 caves.

Geary Schindel






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[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

The NSS Convention was excellent and even though David L. didn't mention me, I 
did stop for a moment, shake his hand, and run off to another meeting.

Much of my time was spent in the Board of Governors meeting on Monday and 
Friday, Tuesday and Thursday afternoons, I was with Benjy Von Cramon helping 
present our session on the 3D Photorealistic model of a nice Texas Cave. We had 
a very good turnout both days.

On Wednesday, I went caving with the Junior Speleological Society and had a 
great time in Lost Creek Cave. It had been many years since I was in the cave. 
Really nice trip, the kids did great. We had the fellows reception one night 
and another meeting with the NSF on another night.

The Photo Salon was excellent and well attended on Thursday night. On Friday 
night, the NSS Awards Banquet was held and finished up about 10 minutes before 
a major wind and rain storm hit. Two tornadoes touched down some ways north and 
south of Cookeville with some minor damage. There was a lightening strike in or 
near the campground. The large circus tent set up at the campground survived 
but many other tents were damaged.

I think there were more than 1,100 people attending the event for the full 
week. The campground facilities seemed to be very nice but Sue and I had gotten 
a hotel room which was a good call.  The campground was about 15 minutes from 
Cookeville High School where the sessions were held. The high school was in 
great shape and was a great venue for the meeting. The only complaint I heard 
was that it was very cold (I had heard that there was an advisory that ice may 
form in some of the hallways).

We've decided at next year's convention to announce the new fellows of the 
society on Monday but still present them with their certificates on Friday at 
the Awards Banquet. This will give the new fellows an opportunity to bask in 
the glory for the entire week.

Great selection of caves available for the event including Camps Gulf, Blue 
Springs, Lost Creek, Rumbling Falls and many more.

There were lots of Texans present at the convention including Guin and Colin 
(and the young'un (and he is quite the smiler and may have had the best time of 
all), Galan, Drew, Preston and Sheri, Mike Harris, David Locklear, Bill 
Bentley, Jacquie Thomas and many others.

There were storms almost every day including the Monday evening Howdy Party and 
the Friday banquet. No one was hurt during the storms. The stands at the 
campground/fairground were storm shelters and I think that many folks took 
shelter under the concrete stands and continued to party on - at least on 
Friday night. Once the storms passed, folks went to the party barn. We didn't 
attend the Terminal Syphons but I heard the music was great again this year. 
Camping was cool but wet.

Maureen Handler and Frank Bogle and staff did a great job. It was very well 
organized and executed. It was in a wonderful part of the country and great to 
be back in Tennessee, land of 10,000 caves.

Geary Schindel








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[Texascavers] Snakebite management article

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

As cavers, we get out and about in some places that we share with snakes. 
Treatment recommendations have changed some since we might have taken first aid.

Here is an excellent article on Snakebite Management (Pre-Hospital) from one of 
the forums I subscribe to. I think you will find it informative.

The article was written by Dr. Spencer Greene who is an MD at Baylor in Houston 
and specializes in snakebite treatment. He has treated more than 600 bites from 
all kinds of snakes.

I emailed him about treatment options in San Antonio and he also offered to 
come make a presentation. I was thinking he might be a good speaker for the 
spring TSA.

While fatalities are rare, he notes that time is tissue damage and long term 
disability is a possibility.  

I think you'll find this a quick but important read.

https://wsed.org/snakebite-management-pre-hospital/?fbclid=IwAR10kvndyfxVAA3_ovjSFo9izSMEmKxg_j03Aid4coN5xKtuSypZzAuz3T8

Enjoy

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[Texascavers] Rane Curl Passed Away

[Geary Schindel]

Some of you may have known Rane. He is one of the NSS Luminary Speakers and can 
see his talk from a few years ago on the NSS Web Page.

Geary



Sad Morning,

Rane Curl's daughter announced this morning on Facebook that her father had 
passed away. Many of you knew Rane well, but here's his bio from the 2013 
Luminary talks:

In 1952, while laboring away in the Charleston, WV area on graduate work in 
chemical engineering at MIT, and dating a local lady, Rane had occasion to meet 
her brother—none other than the legendary WV caver John "Bud" Rutherford. Rane 
began caving with Rutherford and a teammate named Bob Handley. After returning 
to school in Cambridge, MA, Rane continued pursuing his new interest in caves 
with members of the Boston Grotto. After graduating in 1955, he moved to the 
bay area of California and—along with Bill Halliday, George Moore, and Howard 
Shugart—formed the San Francisco Bay Chapter of the NSS. In 1960, Rane and two 
co-authors penned the "NSS Policy for Cave Conservation." The next winter, he 
attended the 3rd ICS in Vienna, and then accepted a research appointment in 
London. While overseas, Rane embarked on a 12,000 kilometer motorcycle tour of 
Europe. Applying a chemical engineer's perspective to speleology, Dr. Curl has 
published on topics such as a statistical theory of cave entrance evolution; 
the relationship between cave scallop geometry and water flow velocity; the 
aragonite-calcite problem; and speleothem dating and growth. Among many other 
things, Rane chaired the 8th ICS, edited the first 4 issues of American Caving 
Accidents, and served as President of the NSS. Download a 
copy (48:57, 79 MB)

Rane will be dearly missed.

--
Nathan Farrar
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[Texascavers] Texas Hydro Geo Workshop Appreciation Party on Sunday, May 5th

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

We are hosting an appreciation party for all of the folks that have ever helped 
staff the Texas Hydro Geo Workshop and/or present a module. The event will be 
held on Sunday, May 5th at the Schindel house from 3 pm to about 7 pm. 

All the food and drinks will be provided but we do need an RSVP to know how 
much food to get. 

If you have a beverage of choice, please bring it. 

So, RSVP is required. 

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org 

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[Texascavers] Join Us for Wonder Cave; The History & Exploration by Kelly Smallwood

[Geary Schindel]

FYI,

Geary Schindel

Cavers,
Kelly is back to redo here wonderful webinar that was crashed by technical 
issues last month. Please register and plan on attending and learning about the 
history and exploration of this amazing Wonder Cave.

Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
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Wonder Cave; The History & Exploration by Kelly Smallwood (This is a redo of 
last months webinar that cut short due to internet technical issues.)
Join us for a webinar on May 07, 2019 at 8:00 PM CDT, Which is: 9PM EDT/7PM MDT/
6PM PDT Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
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Wonder Cave is located in the Pelham Valley in Grundy County, Tennessee and Is 
one of the oldest commercial caves in the state. It was discovered in 1897 by 
three Vanderbilt Students and a few years later, it was commercialized by 
Robert M. Payne. For 17 years the cave was available to affluent guests who 
were visiting the nearby Monteagle Assembly. Water was pumped up the mountain 
from the mouth of the cave to the hotel. Members of the Payne family continued 
to manage the cave until the 1980's when Robert M.'s great grandson, who was 
running the cave, passed away. The cave was then sold to a local Chattanooga 
businessman, who operated the cave until the year 2000 when the cave was closed 
to the public and cavers.
Even though Wonder Cave operated as a commercial cave for nearly 100 years, a 
complete and accurate map of the cave was never completed. In 2014, Jason Hardy 
and Kelly Smallwood began the survey of Wonder Cave and have surveyed nearly 3 
miles of cave passage. Please join us for a journey through the history of one 
of Tennessee’s Past Times, Wonder Cave.

Kelly Smallwood is an accomplished cave photographer and writer. She has earned 
both Merit & Honorable Mention Awards in the NSS Salons for her photography & 
newsletter covers as well as having some of her images featured on the cover of 
the NSS News. Kelly is a Life member of the NSS and has dedicated many years to 
the caving community for which she received her Fellow Award in 2014. She is 
also very involved with conservation and survey work with her husband, Jason 
Hardy. She has participated in more than 75 mapping projects including the 
mapping of 450-foot-deep mult drop and pull down caves such as Solution Rift in 
Tennessee and Doodlebug Hole in Alabama as well as surveying caves for the Jack 
Daniel Distillery. In 2018 she was also the first recipient of the Avis Moni 
Hospitality Award from the Southeastern Regional Association of the NSS. Kelly 
and her husband currently live in the heart of TAG in South Pittsburg TN. This 
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Re: [Texascavers] Dr. Stephen Attaway - Albuquerque/TAG caver

[Geary Schindel]

I was honored to stay with John Attaway in February when we had a NSS Officers 
meeting nearby. John and I talked about Steve who was a brilliant engineer and 
had multiple interests. He was incredibly active caver in the southeast until 
he moved west for work. Thirty years after moving, his caving exploits were 
still being discussed. I don’t know how many people also told me that Steve was 
one of the smartest and most personable people they had ever meet. Our paths 
only crossed a few times but I had wished I had known him better.

He passed away way too early and it is a great loss. My condolences to the 
family and friends.

Geary Schindel

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of David
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:17 PM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: [Texascavers] Dr. Stephen Attaway - Albuquerque/TAG caver

Stephen Attaway
Fellow of the National Speleological Society
2-10-60 to 2-28-19

https://cache.legacy.net/legacy/images/Cobrands/ABQJournal/Photos/1440920-01-1_20190310.jpg



Steve was born in Leeds, Alabama.



Steve received his Doctorate in Engineering in Computational Mechanics from the 
Georgia Institute of Technology in 1986. Steve had been employed at Sandia 
National Laboratories since February 16, 1987 and was a Senior Scientist. He 
was a Fellow of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers and a Fellow in 
the National Speleological Society.



Growing up in the South, Steve was an active caver since his high school years 
and served in cave rescue alongside his father.



Steve served in Albuquerque Mountain Rescue as a rescue leader, performing 
hundreds of rescue missions in the wilderness of New Mexico. Steve was an 
award-winning jeweler and gem carver and a pioneer in jewelry making technology 
and techniques, in concert with his wife, Nancy, who is an award-winning 
facetor of gems and designer of original pieces. Steve was also a member of the 
New Mexico Faceters Guild. Steve is survived by his wife of thirty-five years, 
Nancy L. Attaway; his father, John W. Attaway, Jr.; his mother, Betty Joyce 
Basden; and sister, Myrna Attaway.



Services were held in Leeds, Alabama, March 23, 2019. A Memorial Service was 
held March 30, 2019.



Charitable donations may be may made to the Albuquerque Mountain Rescue team at 
www dot abqmountainrescue dot 
org/donate<http://www.abqmountainrescue.org/donate>.
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[Texascavers] Passing of Bill Russel

[Geary Schindel]

Katie,

I’m very sorry to hear of Bill’s passing. I know he has been in relatively poor 
health for a while. I was glad to get to meet him for the first time when I 
first came to Texas about 20 years ago. He was in his element and obviously a 
professional (I thought he might have had some groundhog in him but they don’t 
occur in the Hill County.) He made an incredible sustained contribution to 
caving in the US and Mexico and will be missed by all that new him.

Thank you for all you did for him. I know it has been hard these last couple of 
years.

Geary Schindel
NSS President

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Re: [Texascavers] New Zealand Cave Advice?

[Geary Schindel]

Mallory,

I was there about 30 years ago so I’m sure all the tour requirements have 
changed. I have heard that you may want to get your tickets in advance as they 
do limit the number of people that can tour on any given day. I got a private 
tour so don’t know what they cost. You may also want to book a black water 
rafting trip to some of the nearby caves. If I remember correctly, one of the 
caves has a 300 foot entrance drop they lower you down and you come out another 
entrance. I think you can rent or they provide everything you need. While you 
are in NZ, you may want to go over and see the Geyser fields at Roturua. There 
are only a few places in the world you can see geysers so it is well worth 
seeing and not too far from Waitomo. Of course the caving museum at Waitomo is 
outstanding and there are a number of excellent caving clubs in NZ. Make sure 
you also visit the temperate rain forests. Not too many places you can see 
these also.

On the north island, go see Harwoods Hole, a 500 foot deep surface pit. Nice 
short hike over to the pit. Go to Nelson, and then over to Takaka and see one 
of the great springs of the world (popo) and also visit Abel Tasman National 
Park. Of course there are the great hikes along the west coast.

Have fun.

Geary



From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Mallory 
Mayeux
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 12:05 PM
To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: [Texascavers] New Zealand Cave Advice?

Advice please: I'm going to New Zealand in a couple of weeks and will be 
visiting Waitomo, home of the glowworm caves. Has anyone ever been? If so, any 
particular trips or tours I should sign up for?

Looking at their website, they have a guide to find the best tour for you, so 
the "most comprehensive caving experience", the Black Abyss 5 hour trip, is my 
current choice, but there are other caves nearby that I'd like to visit if 
anyone gives them a stamp of approval.

Due to luggage constraints, I won't be able to bring much/any gear of my own 
(unless someone knows a caver contact who might have a couple of helmets for my 
new husband and I to borrow, that would be EPIC but unexpected).

Thanks for any suggestions!

Mallory Mayeux
mmay...@gmail.com
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us Tonight for Grand Canyon’s Double Bopper Cave System Reaches 40 Miles Presenter: Beth Cortright

[Geary Schindel]

Cavers
Please join us for part 2 of Beth Cortright's webinar about the Double Bopper 
cave. She has much more information on the most recent expidition and more 
incredibly beautiful pictures.

Please forward this email to your email list.

Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
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Grand Canyon’s Double Bopper Cave System Reaches 40 Miles Presenter: Beth 
Cortright
Join us for a webinar on Mar 13, 2019 at 8:00 PM CDT which is: 9PM EDT/7PM/MDT
6PM PDT Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.

Register now!



Beth Cortright is back with part 2 of the Grand Canyon Expedition. In the fall 
of 2018, two expedition teams returned to Double Bopper Cave in Grand Canyon 
National Park to continue survey and exploration of the extensive system. 
Through their efforts, the cave is now 40.6 miles long and has climbed into the 
top ten longest caves in the United States. The newest discoveries include many 
mummified mammals, an entire wall of gypsum hair, and more iron foam and gypsum 
flowers than anyone could imagine. Survey teams documented incredible boreholes 
and unique formations in the caves, while avoiding bark scorpions and flash 
floods on the surface. This presentation will show highlights of the October 
2018 expedition and give an update on the Double Bopper Cave system.
Beth Cortright:
Beth Cortright has been caving for about 11 years. She began exploring 
underground while attending college and primarily caved in south central 
Kentucky, where she learned to survey. During this time, Beth also got involved 
with a group surveying caves in collaboration with archaeologists at Maya sites 
in the Yucatan, Mexico. Through her adventures with the caving group in 
Kentucky and Mexico, Beth was invited on a weeklong expedition into Lechuguilla 
Cave in Carlsbad Caverns National Park in 2011. Beth has since returned to 
Lechuguilla many times, and to many other New Mexico caves as well, for more 
day trips and expeditions. Beth also participates in expeditions to Montana’s 
Bob Marshall Wilderness and Grand Canyon National Park.
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[Texascavers] Really great article on caver biologist Norm Pace

[Geary Schindel]

https://www.colorado.edu/coloradan/2019/02/11/norm-pace-microbiologist-caves?fbclid=IwAR3m2ju1Ai1G87DzD380X2FKv-JbLDd96a4kwaXD2-h9amO03-BH1apB7iM

Thought folks would like to see this.

Excellent read.

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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie Garza story

[Geary Schindel]

Cool,

Thanks for sharing.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Bill Steele
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:41 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Ernie Garza story

There are countless stories about Mexico caving stalwart Ernie Garza. In 2015 
he joined us in Huautla during our PESH expedition and rode back to the USA 
with me. He was worried about entering the USA because he couldn’t find his 
passport. I shot this short video along the way, when we stopped for lunch just 
north of Mexico City. In it Ernie is asked what his plan is for crossing the 
border.

https://vimeo.com/279276822

Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Garza Scholarship?

[Geary Schindel]

Logan, Nancy, et al,

Garza Scholarships

This went out on social media a few days ago.

"We are pleased to announce that four scholarships of $500 each to attend the 
2019 NSS Convention in Cookeville, Tennessee have been generously donated by 
Ernie Garza (NSS 13484 CM-FE). The scholarships are to be awarded to help fund 
the cost of students to attend the convention and may be used for registration, 
travel, food, etc.

To apply for the scholarship, send an email to presid...@caves.org and discuss 
your financial need, general background in caving, your interest in attending 
during the convention (lectures, vertical training, caving, session 
presentation, etc.), your current status as a student, and how receiving the 
award will benefit you and the mission of the NSS. This must all fit in no more 
than three paragraphs, or less than 250 words.

Deadline to apply is March 31, 2019. A decision will be announced by April 15th.

NOTE: we're looking at extending the deadline to April 15 so that it can get 
announced in the NSS News. This is an incredibly generous donation  by Ernie to 
help some students make it to the NSS Convention. Most Texas Cavers know Ernie 
and his long term commitment to caving in Texas and Mexico.

 NSS Headlamp Collection

The NSS Headquarters is creating a collection of headlamps used by members. 
This isn't so much as a carbide lamp collection but more of a connection to our 
members. The idea is that the lamp would go into our museum collection with a 
hang tag with the name and NSS number on it along with any other notable 
information such as, this lamp was on the first descent of XXX, or made the 
connection between XXX and YYY cave. Currently, there is an assortment of lamps 
including Tom Barr's Coleman lamp he used to do cave biology with, Chuck 
Hemple's lamp he found the highway in Friar's Hole Cave with, etc. I think it 
would be neat if some of the Texas Old Timers (Terry, Rune, Gil, Peter S. Karl, 
Bill, etc. would donate an old lamp they used (That includes you Logan), So, I 
would encourage you to ask someone you respect if they would be willing to 
donate a lamp with their name on it.

TSA Spring Convention in 2024

I think it would be nice if the powers that be reserved a location for the 
Spring TSA meeting for April 6 to April 8, 2024 in either Kerrville or Uvalde. 
Monday, April 8 is the date of the full Solar Eclipse across parts of Texas. I 
understand that both towns will be in the path of totality with Kerrville being 
in the middle of the path. I didn't research what time it will occur but assume 
it is something during the day LOL.

Geary






From: Logan 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 1:37 PM
To: Geary Schindel ; Nancy Weaver 

Subject: Re: Garza Scholarship?

I obviously missed something. What is the Garza Scholarship? Please forward any 
relevant emails, and keep me in the loop on this.

I fully support donating one of Ernie's old carbide lamps to the NSS museum.
A reminder that TSS has been requesting and receiving donations of old gear 
from old Texas cavers for years for the "Texas Cavers Museum". We've displayed 
what we can in the limited space of the old TSS office, particularly vertical 
gear including homemade whaletails, Strickland inchworm, old ropes, helmets, 
packs, etc. The basement of the TSC will provide display space for most of it, 
including AMCS and TCMA items of interest.

Thanks,
Logan

On 3/4/2019 12:54 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
Yes,

It would be nice to put one of Ernie's old carbide lamps in the NSS museum with 
his name and NSS number on it.

Thanks,

Geary

From: Texascavers 
<mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>
 On Behalf Of Nancy
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 12:30 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

Very cool.  The ut archivist is supposed to come by thurs. in all ernies stuff 
I didn't see any old csving lights. That's what you wanted?

On Mar 4, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Nancy,

The word is getting out and I"ve received two requests for the Garza 
Scholarship.
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Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

[Geary Schindel]

Yes,

It would be nice to put one of Ernie’s old carbide lamps in the NSS museum with 
his name and NSS number on it.

Thanks,

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Nancy
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 12:30 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

Very cool.  The ut archivist is supposed to come by thurs. in all ernies stuff 
I didn’t see any old csving lights. That’s what you wanted?

On Mar 4, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Nancy,

The word is getting out and I”ve received two requests for the Garza 
Scholarship.
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Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

[Geary Schindel]

Nancy,

The word is getting out and I”ve received two requests for the Garza 
Scholarship.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Nancy 
Weaver
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 2:39 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

I for one value Sleaze’s wildly entertaining missives over almost anything else 
posted here.  Can we please stop name calling and being the 'what belongs here' 
police?  could you just make your own posts and let others make theirs?  and 
for humility extra points maybe realize that some of us don’t much like your 
posts, we just don’t bother to try and publicly shame you.
Nancy


On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:



On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:15 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com 
wrote:


Now where was I?

Sleazel

—


Spouting racist and ethnocentric ideas, perhaps?


Truly your uninformed speculations on the peoples of the world have nothing to 
do with this forum.


FWIW, a better source about the historical migration of human populations, 
derived from analysis of ancient DNA (much of which has been preserved in 
caves) can be found by consulting the work of David Reich, the author of “Who 
We Are and How We Got Here”:


https://reich.hms.harvard.edu


https://smile.amazon.com/Who-Are-How-Got-Here/dp/110187032X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1551205927=8-2=who+we+are+and+how+we+got+here


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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Grand Canyon’s Double Bopper Cave System Reaches 40 Miles Presenter: Beth Cortright

[Geary Schindel]

Cavers
Please join us for part 2 of Beth Cortright's webinar about the Double Bopper 
cave. She has much more information on the most recent expidition and more 
incredibly beautiful pictures.

Please forward this email to your email list.

Cave safely
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Grand Canyon’s Double Bopper Cave System Reaches 40 Miles Presenter: Beth 
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Join us for a webinar on Mar 13, 2019 at 8:00 PM CDT which is: 9PM EDT/7PM/MDT
6PM PDT Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!



Beth Cortright is back with part 2 of the Grand Canyon Expedition. In the fall 
of 2018, two expedition teams returned to Double Bopper Cave in Grand Canyon 
National Park to continue survey and exploration of the extensive system. 
Through their efforts, the cave is now 40.6 miles long and has climbed into the 
top ten longest caves in the United States. The newest discoveries include many 
mummified mammals, an entire wall of gypsum hair, and more iron foam and gypsum 
flowers than anyone could imagine. Survey teams documented incredible boreholes 
and unique formations in the caves, while avoiding bark scorpions and flash 
floods on the surface. This presentation will show highlights of the October 
2018 expedition and give an update on the Double Bopper Cave system.
Beth Cortright:
Beth Cortright has been caving for about 11 years. She began exploring 
underground while attending college and primarily caved in south central 
Kentucky, where she learned to survey. During this time, Beth also got involved 
with a group surveying caves in collaboration with archaeologists at Maya sites 
in the Yucatan, Mexico. Through her adventures with the caving group in 
Kentucky and Mexico, Beth was invited on a weeklong expedition into Lechuguilla 
Cave in Carlsbad Caverns National Park in 2011. Beth has since returned to 
Lechuguilla many times, and to many other New Mexico caves as well, for more 
day trips and expeditions. Beth also participates in expeditions to Montana’s 
Bob Marshall Wilderness and Grand Canyon National Park.
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[Texascavers] Agenda for Austin Cave Fest at Alamo Draft House

[Geary Schindel]

Can anyone point me to the schedule of talks for the Austin Cave Fest at the 
Alamo Draft House?

Thanks,

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and hospice

[Geary Schindel]

Nancy,

A great example of the care and love of the extended caver family.

Thanks for all you do.

Geary Schindel

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Nancy 
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Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 7:48 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Ernie and hospice

Ernie entered hospice last night.  His nurse will be Billy Goerdt and he will 
come weekly to check in.  Hospice will take over all medical care so I am 
cancelling further VA visits.  They will send aides 2-3 times a week to take 
care of physical therapy and hygiene.  I am still managing a daily breakfast 
and supper shift so he will have lots of eyes on him.  Hospice is delivering a 
hospital bed today which will make it far easier for E to get up and down.  He 
has been getting steadily more mobil after his most recent fall on the 8th and 
was using his walker to get around yesterday.  He is lucid and loves visits and 
phone calls.
This feels like a huge relief for both of us.  Decisions have been made and the 
extra help is very much appreciated.
Please share this with any of Ernie’s friends that you know.  He was part of 
many circles throughout the world and I only know a few of them.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] FW: Presentation on Tuesday, February 19 at 11:30 Am to 12:30 PM by David Jackson on Inspiring the next generation of cave and groundwater conservationists with CaveSim educational progr

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[Texascavers] Brown Bag - Best of the National Speleological Society Photo Salon 2017. Thursday, February 7 at noon.

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Today’s brown bag presentation is an automatic slide show of photographs from 
some of the most amazing, hard to reach, and secret areas of our planet. You’ll 
see some outstanding photographs of caves, cavers, and some amazing – 
unbelievable formations  from around the world - all put to award winning 
music. Get a taste of what wild caving is all about without leaving the comfort 
of your chair.

Folks, this is some real eye candy in a Zen like setting. So, bring your lunch, 
get your mellow on, and enjoy an outstanding presentation. Oh, feel free to 
bring cookies to share.

The presentation will last about 35 minutes and afterwards, there will be a 
short discussion about the Death of Floyd Collins. This is the 90th anniversary 
of the rescue attempt of Floyd Collins in a Kentucky cave which became an 
international news event and one of the first carried live on radio.

Geary



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society –
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, February 7, 2019 at Noon

Best of the National Speleological Society Photo Salon 2017

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

The National Speleological Society 2017 Photo Salon will be presented on 
Thursday, February 7, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
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If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


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Each year, the National Speleological Society (NSS) presents a photo salon at 
their annual convention. This competitive event showcases the very best of cave 
photography from around the world.  Over 500 photos are submitted each year and 
in 2017, about 100 were selected for showing. This 30-minute long program will 
present images from 18 photographers along with award-winning music by Keith 
Goggin (Houston, Texas). The salon gives the viewer a taste of the wide range 
of caves and caving – from the beautiful to the bizarre and spectacular. Come 
enjoy the world of caving from the comfort of a chair.

There will be a question and answer session on caves and caving after the 
viewing.

Copies of the Photo Salon CD will be available for $15 after the event. 
Proceeds are used to support the NSS Photo Salon.

I would arrive early to obtain a good seat.

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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag - Best of the National Speleological Society Photo Salon 2017. Thursday, February 7 at noon.

[Geary Schindel]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, February 7, 2019 at Noon

Best of the National Speleological Society Photo Salon 2017

At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

The National Speleological Society 2017 Photo Salon will be presented on 
Thursday, February 7, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edwardsaquifer.org%2F=02%7C01%7Chongjie.xie%40utsa.edu%7Cb8249f574727419a2c9b08d638e7bfc4%7C3a228dfbc64744cb88357b20617fc906%7C0%7C0%7C636758965407504256=pVAFmaWqgi5%2BlaaLAjDR27laOlMyLogqXnvplQjjwpY%3D=0>
 for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


Abstract:

Each year, the National Speleological Society (NSS) presents a photo salon at 
their annual convention. This competitive event showcases the very best of cave 
photography from around the world.  Over 500 photos are submitted each year and 
in 2017, about 100 were selected for showing. This 30-minute long program will 
present images from 18 photographers along with award-winning music by Keith 
Goggin (Houston, Texas). The salon gives the viewer a taste of the wide range 
of caves and caving - from the beautiful to the bazaar and spectacular. Come 
enjoy the world of caving from the comfort of a chair.

There will be a question and answer session on caves and caving after the 
viewing.

Copies of the Photo Salon CD will be available for $15 after the event. 
Proceeds are used to support the NSS Photo Salon.

I would arrive early to obtain a good seat.

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[Texascavers] Federal Employees - Combined Federal Campaign - enrollment date extended

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

If you are a Federal Government Employee, you should be aware that because of 
the government shutdown, enrollment for the Combined Federal Campaign has been 
extended until at least February 8, 2019

Federal Employees and members of the military can help the NSS by designating 
CFC number 15492 (National Speleological Foundation) for workplace donations.

All donations are being placed in the NSS Permanent Endowment Fund to help give 
the National Speleological Society a perpetual source of income.

Please feel free to forward.

Thank you,

Geary Schindel
President
National Speleological Society

Bert Ashbrook
Treasurer
National Speleological Foundation

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Re: [Texascavers] critters in caves

[Geary Schindel]

I had heard that they bite and hang on until they hear a clap of thunder or 
sundown – or is that for Gila Monsters only.

G

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Logan
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 7:13 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; Dessie Pierce
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] critters in caves

I was just about to send this when I noticed that a message came in from 
"Speodesmus". I am sending this first before opening that one because
anyone or anything using "Speodesmus" in their email address will be able to 
answer your question better than me.

In answer to your query, not that I know of. Possibly if you are a small 
critter they want to hold onto to eat.
If it's a defensive strike against a caver human or some other monster, they 
want to get back under cover ASAP using their hundred pairs of little legs.

But I'm not an entomologist, although I play one on this list. (That's a joke 
based on a TV commercial that is older than you are.)

TSA/Texascavers is fortunate to have some highly qualified biologists in a 
variety of specialties. Perhaps they will respond if they subscribe. Otherwise 
just go online with your question. Or conduct your own personal field 
experiment and write an article about it for the next Texas Caver. :-P

Lowgun (aka Metagonia)


On 1/31/2019 6:35 PM, Dessie Pierce wrote:
I was told that they attach to your skin and have to be cut off. Does that have 
any truth?

Dessie
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:43 AM, Logan 
mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com>> wrote:
You definitely do not want to be bitten by this critter! The pain is 
excruciating.  A friend of mine was bitten on the foot while working in her 
garden up near Temple. She put ice on it but her foot kept hurting and 
swelling, which she documented with photos over the next hour. She finally had 
to call a neighbor to take her to the hospital.

I was digging out a karst feature full of dirt and leaves, foolishly not 
wearing gloves, when I pulled out one of them fortunately cushioned in a bundle 
of leaves, so no bite. Use thick gloves! Centipedes go berserk when they are 
exposed because they have claustrophillia--fear of open spaces--the opposite of 
claustrophobia.

Here's one website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scolopendra_heros

Logan
On 1/31/2019 10:15 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
David’s comments raises a question I have. I have been wading Hill Country 
rivers (Frio, Nueces and Sabinal)and exploring their rocky cliffs and caves for 
65 years. I have had encounters with rattlers, water snakes, various lizards 
and centipedes. I love them all but am especially fascinated with the large 
centipedes. The largest ones I have seen were between four and five inches 
long. I seem to remember their coloration was black and various shades of red, 
yellow and orange. I may have picked up one or two without gloves but was never 
bitten or stung. I assume they can inflict pain but guess I was lucky (as 
always) and would like some feedback on this. Are they harmful?
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:54 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
People, including cavers, often associate cave animals with bats.

I think we often neglect the other critters. For example, name a cave
that is devoted to the preservation of Red-headed Centipede.

Or any other cave-dwelling centipede.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Scolopendra_heros.jpg

I saw a 6 inch long centipede in Brehmer Cave near New Braunfels, around
1996.I remember the color patter was maroon and black, but can't remember 
which color was the
dominating color - Maybe black with some maroon parts ?

I can only imagine cavers with lots of experience have seen hundreds of these.

Of course, you probably would not want to crawl around in a cave with 100's of 
venomous
centipedes.   Would you ?

On a related note, I have not seen a horned-toad in the wild in over 30 years.

And on a totally different note,

Last night, I was driving around 2 a.m. in the morning from Houston to 
Gatesville ( northwest of Temple )
via the small towns around Milano, and I saw
stars for the first time in almost a year.I did not have time to even get 
out of the car and look at
the stars. There was still too much light on the horizon and from traffic 
to really get a good look at them.
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Re: [Texascavers] dates for Texas Cavers Reunion 2019

[Geary Schindel]

Thanks,

Didn’t have it on my calendar.

Geary

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Crash Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:34 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] dates for Texas Cavers Reunion 2019

Months ago.  It was announced on the TCR Facebook page.  It will be the second 
weekend of October this year, due to scheduling conflicts at Paradise Canyon on 
the third weekend.

Jim

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:31 PM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>> wrote:
Folks,

Have the dates for the Texas Cavers Reunion been set for 2019.

Thanks,

Geary
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[Texascavers] Dates for Texas Cavers Reunion 2019

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Have the dates for the Texas Cavers Reunion been set for 2019.

Thanks,

Geary

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Re: [Texascavers] critters in caves

[Geary Schindel]

Bill, for us non-biologists, I learned the difference between the two pedes is 
a centipede has one leg per segment and millipedes may have two or more.

Is that correct?

Thanks,

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of 
speodes...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 10:43 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] critters in caves

Friends,

The large centipedes like you described may be Scolopendra species. They can 
bite and inject venom, and it hurts. They eat cave crickets and other things. 
See James Reddell's biology chapter in Elliott and Veni's "The Caves and Karst 
of Texas" 1994.

Not to be confused with the many small species of millipedes like Speodesmus 
and Cambala in Texas caves. Most are troglobites, and all millipedes are 
harmless. They eat soil, fungi etc.

Thanks,
William R. (Bill) Elliott

On Jan 31, 2019, at 10:29 AM, John Brooks 
mailto:john.brooks.archit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting post.

First - I assume that many people know this - But the TCMA owns several caves / 
preserves that are focused on protecting “cave critters”. Check out the TCMAs 
website for more information.

Second - over many years of caving I have many interesting encounters with 
critters in cavesfrom crawling into an obvious rattlesnake den in 
Oklahomato unintentionally peeing on a rattlesnake just outside of another 
Oklahoma caveand leaping down onto a water moccasin at another Oklahoma 
caveand being stung by a scorpion that dropped onto my neck in a TEXAS 
caveand finding a fresh mountain lion kill in a New Mexico cave ( it 
slipped past me and got out of the cave much to the surprise of my companions ).
Anyway, the wildlife in and around caves has always been the more memorable 
part of caving for me - I just wish I could have gotten pictures of some of 
these encounters along the way.
But I have never been stung by a big centipede and no plans to try it.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Fritz Holt 
mailto:fritz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
David’s comments raises a question I have. I have been wading Hill Country 
rivers (Frio, Nueces and Sabinal)and exploring their rocky cliffs and caves for 
65 years. I have had encounters with rattlers, water snakes, various lizards 
and centipedes. I love them all but am especially fascinated with the large 
centipedes. The largest ones I have seen were between four and five inches 
long. I seem to remember their coloration was black and various shades of red, 
yellow and orange. I may have picked up one or two without gloves but was never 
bitten or stung. I assume they can inflict pain but guess I was lucky (as 
always) and would like some feedback on this. Are they harmful?
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2019, at 1:54 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
People, including cavers, often associate cave animals with bats.

I think we often neglect the other critters. For example, name a cave
that is devoted to the preservation of Red-headed Centipede.

Or any other cave-dwelling centipede.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Scolopendra_heros.jpg

I saw a 6 inch long centipede in Brehmer Cave near New Braunfels, around
1996.I remember the color patter was maroon and black, but can't remember 
which color was the
dominating color - Maybe black with some maroon parts ?

I can only imagine cavers with lots of experience have seen hundreds of these.

Of course, you probably would not want to crawl around in a cave with 100's of 
venomous
centipedes.   Would you ?

On a related note, I have not seen a horned-toad in the wild in over 30 years.

And on a totally different note,

Last night, I was driving around 2 a.m. in the morning from Houston to 
Gatesville ( northwest of Temple )
via the small towns around Milano, and I saw
stars for the first time in almost a year.I did not have time to even get 
out of the car and look at
the stars. There was still too much light on the horizon and from traffic 
to really get a good look at them.
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[Texascavers] Brown Bag Presentation Helium Operations on Thursday, (Today) January 31 at noon at the EAA.

[Geary Schindel]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, January 31, 2019 at Noon

Helium Operations


Richard E. Rieman, P.E.
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

 Mr. Richard E. Rieman, P.E. will present on "Helium Operations" The 
presentation will occur on Thursday, January 31, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. 
in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, 
San Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to 
bring your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
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 for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


Abstract:

Helium has been a strategic resource of the United States since 1920 when the 
National Helium Reserve was established, but in recent decades it has become 
more important to our national security and our economy. A shortage of the gas 
developed to the point that processors of the gas saw their crude helium 
supplies rationed starting in 2005 which impacted consumers starting in 2008. 
The presentation will cover the properties and uses of helium, and the 
successful efforts to alleviate the shortage. The sources and economics of 
helium production will also be discussed.

Biography:

Richard Rieman is a professional engineer registered in Texas and Oklahoma. He 
has drilled and completed oil and gas wells both onshore and offshore in eight 
states including fracture stimulations, artificial stimulation, water 
processing, and surface requirements. From 2006 to 2012 he worked in the 
National Helium Reserve where he raised helium production by about one million 
cubic feet per day. This stabilized world helium supply at about 8MMCF  per 
day, ending a shortage. He has also abated frac interference between horizontal 
wells, prepared reserve estimates, Spill Prevention and Cleanup Contingency 
Plans, and a wind and wave assessment for an offshore platform. Mr. Rieman has 
published several technical papers and is semi-retired after a long career.


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[Texascavers] Brown Bag Presentation Helium Operations on Thursday, January 31 at noon at the EAA.

[Geary Schindel]

FYI,


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, January 31, 2019 at Noon

Helium Operations


Richard E. Rieman, P.E.
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

 Mr. Richard E. Rieman, P.E. will present on "Helium Operations" The 
presentation will occur on Thursday, January 31, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. 
in the Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, 
San Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to 
bring your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edwardsaquifer.org%2F=02%7C01%7Chongjie.xie%40utsa.edu%7Cb8249f574727419a2c9b08d638e7bfc4%7C3a228dfbc64744cb88357b20617fc906%7C0%7C0%7C636758965407504256=pVAFmaWqgi5%2BlaaLAjDR27laOlMyLogqXnvplQjjwpY%3D=0>
 for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


Abstract:

Helium has been a strategic resource of the United States since 1920 when the 
National Helium Reserve was established, but in recent decades it has become 
more important to our national security and our economy. A shortage of the gas 
developed to the point that processors of the gas saw their crude helium 
supplies rationed starting in 2005 which impacted consumers starting in 2008. 
The presentation will cover the properties and uses of helium, and the 
successful efforts to alleviate the shortage. The sources and economics of 
helium production will also be discussed.

Biography:

Richard Rieman is a professional engineer registered in Texas and Oklahoma. He 
has drilled and completed oil and gas wells both onshore and offshore in eight 
states including fracture stimulations, artificial stimulation, water 
processing, and surface requirements. From 2006 to 2012 he worked in the 
National Helium Reserve where he raised world helium supply from 8MMcf to 9MMcf 
per day, ending a shortage. He has also abated frac interference between 
horizontal wells, prepared reserve estimates, Spill Prevention and Cleanup 
Contingency Plans, and a wind and wave assessment for an offshore platform. Mr. 
Rieman has published several technical papers and is semi-retired after a long 
career.



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Aquifer Management Services



www.edwardsaquifer.org<http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/>



210.222.2204 ext 346


900 E Quincy
San Antonio, TX 78215


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[Texascavers] NSS Membership deal until 2/28/3029

[Geary Schindel]

For those that are new to caving or have been kicking around on the sidelines 
for a while, here is your chance to join the NSS and get a free caving book at 
the same time. The NSS also has some other new member benefits including access 
to ExpertVoice, and opportunity to get deep discounts on outdoor gear and a 
free subscription to Earth Magazine from AGI. Of course you still get the NSS 
News with its many fine articles.

I may add that this month’s issue (January) has a great article on the 
exploration of Main Drain Cave which features a number of great Texas Cavers 
including Jean Krejca, Bev Shade, Amy Morton, and many others. Visit 
www.caves.org<http://www.caves.org> for more information.



Re: Caving Basics book for new NSS Members until 2/28/3029

Folks,
Here is a new offer from the NSS>
FREE "Caving Basics" book for new NSS members until 2/28/2019
Join the NSS today and get a free book on caving techniques and safety.
All new members are eligible to receive a FREE "Caving Basics" book from the 
NSS until 2/28/2019. Just join the NSS online, and when you receive your 
membership number, you will also receive a promo code you can use to order a 
free copy of Caving Basics from the NSS Bookstore. It takes a few days to 
process your membership, so don't wait until it's too late! This offer is only 
for people who have never been an NSS member.
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Re: [Texascavers] Video of the Day

[Geary Schindel]

David,

Without some small explination of what you’re linked to, I don’t open up these 
kinds of emails as they are commonly forwarded by botts and create troubles.

What is this related to.

Enjoy your posts, keep them coming.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of David
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:45 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: [Texascavers] Video of the Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2zcnT9ZBYk
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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday, January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

[Geary Schindel]

Nope, the Burgess Shale is located in Yoho National Park in British Columbia, 
Canada. It is famous for its weird fossils. Sometimes you’ll see pictures of 
them on the side of Uhaul trucks and trailers. Really weird animals that 
evolved and then died out as evolution experiments. This is the site that is 
used to define the Cambrian Explosion of complex life forms and the ancestors 
of us all. The Burgess preserved many fine details of the fossils. It has been 
studied for almost 100 years.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Bill 
Bentley
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 7:51 AM
To: CaveTex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The 
Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon 
Site, Thursday, January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

Is that the famed Marble Canyon in the Sierria Diablo mountain Range of Texas?
North of Van Horn.
Bill

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 7:46 AM Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:

Folks,

This is a reminder that we have an excellent talk scheduled for noon today 
(Thursday) by Jesse Chadwick. The talk is on the Burgess Shale, arguably, the 
most famous rock outcrop among geologists and the subject of numerous books and 
papers. Stephen J. Gould wrote a book on this outcrop called "A Wonderful Life" 
about the explosion of complex life during the Cambrian Period.

Hope to see you there.

Geary

From: Geary Schindel
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:20 AM
To: Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org><mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>>>
Subject: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New 
Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday, 
January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, January 17, 2019 at Noon

The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble 
Canyon Site


Jesse Chadwick
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

 Ms. Jesse Chadwick will present on "The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early 
and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site." The presentation will occur on 
Thursday, January 17, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org<http://www.edwardsaquifer.org><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edwardsaquifer.org%2F=02%7C01%7Chongjie.xie%40utsa.edu%7Cb8249f574727419a2c9b08d638e7bfc4%7C3a228dfbc64744cb88357b20617fc906%7C0%7C0%7C636758965407504256=pVAFmaWqgi5%2BlaaLAjDR27laOlMyLogqXnvplQjjwpY%3D=0>
 for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


Abstract:

The fossil deposits of the Burgess Shale, British Columbia provide an 
unparalleled record of soft-bodied organisms during one of life's earliest 
episodes - the Cambrian explosion. The Burgess has been studied since the early 
20th century, perplexing paleontologists and evolutionary biologists alike with 
its extraordinary fossils. In 2014 and 2016, Miss Chadwick joined the Royal 
Ontario Museum and its collaborators to excavate fossils from the newly 
discovered Marble Canyon site in Kootenay National Park. She will discuss some 
of the new organisms described by researchers from this site, as well as 
expedition life in the Canadian Rockies.

Biography:

Jesse Chadwick studied metamorphic petrology at Princeton University and 
Montana State University. Her masters thesis focused on mapping and 
quantitative thermobarometry of mid- to high grade Archean metamorphic 
lithologies in southwestern Montana. She is an avid explorer of the south Texas 
subsurface and its associated biological systems. She currently coordinates the 
Alamo Area Clean Cities Coalition, an alternative fuels program at the Alamo 
Area Council of Governments.


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210.222.2204 ext 346


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[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday, January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder that we have an excellent talk scheduled for noon today 
(Thursday) by Jesse Chadwick. The talk is on the Burgess Shale, arguably, the 
most famous rock outcrop among geologists and the subject of numerous books and 
papers. Stephen J. Gould wrote a book on this outcrop called "A Wonderful Life" 
about the explosion of complex life during the Cambrian Period.

Hope to see you there.

Geary

From: Geary Schindel
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:20 AM
To: Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>>
Subject: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New 
Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday, 
January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, January 17, 2019 at Noon

The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble 
Canyon Site


Jesse Chadwick
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

 Ms. Jesse Chadwick will present on "The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early 
and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site." The presentation will occur on 
Thursday, January 17, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edwardsaquifer.org%2F=02%7C01%7Chongjie.xie%40utsa.edu%7Cb8249f574727419a2c9b08d638e7bfc4%7C3a228dfbc64744cb88357b20617fc906%7C0%7C0%7C636758965407504256=pVAFmaWqgi5%2BlaaLAjDR27laOlMyLogqXnvplQjjwpY%3D=0>
 for additional directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


Abstract:

The fossil deposits of the Burgess Shale, British Columbia provide an 
unparalleled record of soft-bodied organisms during one of life's earliest 
episodes - the Cambrian explosion. The Burgess has been studied since the early 
20th century, perplexing paleontologists and evolutionary biologists alike with 
its extraordinary fossils. In 2014 and 2016, Miss Chadwick joined the Royal 
Ontario Museum and its collaborators to excavate fossils from the newly 
discovered Marble Canyon site in Kootenay National Park. She will discuss some 
of the new organisms described by researchers from this site, as well as 
expedition life in the Canadian Rockies.

Biography:

Jesse Chadwick studied metamorphic petrology at Princeton University and 
Montana State University. Her masters thesis focused on mapping and 
quantitative thermobarometry of mid- to high grade Archean metamorphic 
lithologies in southwestern Montana. She is an avid explorer of the south Texas 
subsurface and its associated biological systems. She currently coordinates the 
Alamo Area Clean Cities Coalition, an alternative fuels program at the Alamo 
Area Council of Governments.


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Aquifer Management Services



www.edwardsaquifer.org<http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/>



210.222.2204 ext 346


900 E Quincy
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[Texascavers] Free Caving Basics book for new NSS Members until 2/28/3029

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,
Here is a new offer from the NSS>
FREE "Caving Basics" book for new NSS members until 2/28/2019
Join the NSS today and get a free book on caving techniques and safety.
All new members are eligible to receive a FREE "Caving Basics" book from the 
NSS until 2/28/2019. Just join the NSS online, and when you receive your 
membership number, you will also receive a promo code you can use to order a 
free copy of Caving Basics from the NSS Bookstore. It takes a few days to 
process your membership, so don't wait until it's too late! This offer is only 
for people who have never been an NSS member.
Join here: 
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Wonder Cave; The History & Exploration by Kelly Smallwood

[Geary Schindel]

Forward for Debbie.

Please spread the word.

Geary


Cavers,
Please join us for the next webinar, Wonder Cave, one of Tennessee's oldest 
caves. Kelly Smallwood will be speaking about the caves history and mapping and 
surveying the cave.

Please forward this email to you email list so that we can spread the word.

Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
NSS CaveNet Webinar Chair.




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Wonder Cave; The History & Exploration by Kelly Smallwood

Join us for a webinar on Feb 06, 2019 at 8:00 PM CST, which is 9:M EST/ 7PM MST 
 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!



Wonder Cave is located in the Pelham Valley in Grundy County, Tennessee and Is 
one of the oldest commercial caves in the state. It was discovered in 1897 by 
three Vanderbilt Students and a few years later, it was commercialized by 
Robert M. Payne. For 17 years the cave was available to affluent guests who 
were visiting the nearby Monteagle Assembly. Water was pumped up the mountain 
from the mouth of the cave to the hotel. Members of the Payne family continued 
to manage the cave until the 1980's when Robert M.'s great grandson, who was 
running the cave, passed away. The cave was then sold to a local Chattanooga 
businessman, who operated the cave until the year 2000 when the cave was closed 
to the public and cavers.
Even though Wonder Cave operated as a commercial cave for nearly 100 years, a 
complete and accurate map of the cave was never completed. In 2014, Jason Hardy 
and Kelly Smallwood began the survey of Wonder Cave and have surveyed nearly 3 
miles of cave passage. Please join us for a journey through the history of one 
of Tennessee’s Past Times, Wonder Cave.

Kelly Smallwood is an accomplished cave photographer and writer. She has earned 
both Merit & Honorable Mention Awards in the NSS Salons for her photography & 
newsletter covers as well as having some of her images featured on the cover of 
the NSS News. Kelly is a Life member of the NSS and has dedicated many years to 
the caving community for which she received her Fellow Award in 2014. She is 
also very involved with conservation and survey work with her husband, Jason 
Hardy. She has participated in more than 75 mapping projects including the 
mapping of 450-foot-deep mult drop and pull down caves such as Solution Rift in 
Tennessee and Doodlebug Hole in Alabama as well as surveying caves for the Jack 
Daniel Distillery. In 2018 she was also the first recipient of the Avis Moni 
Hospitality Award from the Southeastern Regional Association of the NSS.
Kelly and her husband currently live in the heart of TAG in South Pittsburg, TN.

This webinar will be recorded and stored on the NSS website at caves.org for 
future viewing and downloading.

After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.

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Re: [Texascavers] Article (part 1) on Sheck Exley :

[Geary Schindel]

Barb,

You and Don are welcome to come visit us in San Antonio. We still run the San 
Antonio home for wayward cavers.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Barb
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 9:58 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Article (part 1) on Sheck Exley :

PS: We currently spending a week near Los Fresnos, birding not caving - but in 
Texas :-)
Barb Coons
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2019, at 8:11 AM, jerryat...@aol.com 
wrote:
Remembering Suwannee: Tragedy stressed diver safety to Sheck Exley

https://www.suwanneedemocrat.com/opinion/remembering-suwannee-tragedy-stressed-diver-safety-to-sheck-exley/article_78ea5b56-128e-11e9-b80e-5b40c764923a.html

Jerry Atkinson.

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[Texascavers] Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday, January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

[Geary Schindel]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
aka brown bag luncheon

Thursday, January 17, 2019 at Noon

The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble 
Canyon Site


Jesse Chadwick
At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215

 Ms. Jesse Chadwick will present on "The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early 
and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site." The presentation will occur on 
Thursday, January 17, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. in the Training Room at the 
Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio, Texas. These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch. You may also 
contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
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If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.


Abstract:

The fossil deposits of the Burgess Shale, British Columbia provide an 
unparalleled record of soft-bodied organisms during one of life's earliest 
episodes - the Cambrian explosion. The Burgess has been studied since the early 
20th century, perplexing paleontologists and evolutionary biologists alike with 
its extraordinary fossils. In 2014 and 2016, Miss Chadwick joined the Royal 
Ontario Museum and its collaborators to excavate fossils from the newly 
discovered Marble Canyon site in Kootenay National Park. She will discuss some 
of the new organisms described by researchers from this site, as well as 
expedition life in the Canadian Rockies.

Biography:

Jesse Chadwick studied metamorphic petrology at Princeton University and 
Montana State University. Her masters thesis focused on mapping and 
quantitative thermobarometry of mid- to high grade Archean metamorphic 
lithologies in southwestern Montana. She is an avid explorer of the south Texas 
subsurface and its associated biological systems. She currently coordinates the 
Alamo Area Clean Cities Coalition, an alternative fuels program at the Alamo 
Area Council of Governments.


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[Texascavers] Contact for Fernando Hernandez

[Geary Schindel]

Fernando Hernandez,

Can you PM me at 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>

The only email I have for you is your city of Austin  address.

Thanks,

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[Texascavers] FW: Bexar Grotto Holiday Party 5:30 pm, Saturday, December 15, 2018

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder that the Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on 
Saturday, December 15, 2018 at Sue, Geary and Aspen Schindel’s house at 11310 
Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. The event will start at 5:30 pm and run until 
sometime later in the evening.

There will be a pot luck dinner so please bring a dish and make sure you take 
it home with you. Let me add that there have been some great dishes (with food 
on them) at previous parties but any contributions are appreciated. BYO 
beverage if you have particular tastes,

There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange starting around 8 pm  so 
please bring a reasonable gift if you want to participate. Homemade gifts with 
a theme or story are always appropriate. Estimated value of a gift should range 
from $0 to $20.

We will also be doing a food drive for Sue’s rolling pantry that she provides 
to many of her social work clients. So, dry goods, household consumables, 
canned food, etc is always appreciated.

I’ve also created a sign up genius web link for folks that want to look at what 
people are bringing so they can get an idea of what may be needed. 
https://www.signupgenius.com/go/70A0A49A5A723A4FA7-bexar

Cavers and guests are welcome to attend.

Rules:

  *   We encourage and support “designated drivers” If you are not in condition 
to drive home, we have couch and floor space for you – and we will insist you 
stay. We’ll make breakfast for anyone spending the night;
  *   Please don’t block my neighbor’s driveways;
  *   No pets;
  *   Children are welcome as long as they are supervised. Note that the house 
is not kid proof.
  *   If you want to get in the hot tub, bring a towel; and,
  *   Last but not least, stay off the roof.

Thanks,

Geary, Sue, and Aspen
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for New BSA Caving Policy & Training: "Cave Safely Cave Softly"

[Geary Schindel]

Another great webinar is scheduled for tomorrow (Tuesday, December 4th). You 
can also check out previous webinars on the NSS Web Page at 
www.caves.org.

Geary

Cavers,
If you take scouts caving then you NEED to watch this webinar.

Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
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New BSA Caving Policy & Training: "Cave Safely Cave Softly" Presenters: Allen 
Maddox & Debbie Spoons

Join us for a webinar on Dec 04, 2018 at 8:00 PM CST, which is, 9PM EST/ 7PM 
MST/ 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for correct starting time.
Register now!



Allen Maddox, NSS Youth Group Liaison Chairman and Debbie Spoons, NSS-BSA 
Liaison & BSA National Climbing & COPE Committee member will be the presenters.

As of April 2018, BSA has a new national caving policy and training program 
called, Cave Safely Cave Softly.

Cave Safely, Cave Softly is the Boy Scouts of America’s procedure for 
organizing BSA activities in commercial and noncommercial caves or lava tubes

If you are involved with scouts and caving, then you NEED to watch this 
webinar, for the protection of the youth, yourself and your liabilities.

BSA now requires that all leaders and participants that will be part of a BSA 
caving trip must read and understand the new policy and training information.

We will discuss the details of a “qualified trip leader, what age groups are 
allowed to enter a wild cave, how many “qualified trip leaders” are required 
for each group, the requirements for horizontal VS vertical caves, etc.

We know that people have a lot of questions and we will do our best to answer 
them.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.

The views in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS.
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Re: [Texascavers] [BexarGrotto] Bexar Grotto Holiday Party 5:30 pm, Saturday, December 15, 2018

[Geary Schindel]

Well, it’s never been tried before and I’m not an expert on parachutes but the 
house may be a bit low for the shoot to open. I would recommend a winged suit 
or maybe even a Big Bird outfit.

As a social Darwinist, I think we have too many people on the planet and I 
support anything we can do to eliminate some of the dummies. However, it might 
leave a pretty nasty spot on the deck. That could be a great conversation 
starter but may limit the later resale value of the house.

Anyway, let’s talk at the party, I’m sure we can work out something.

Geary

From: thmprsa21 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:29 PM
To: Geary Schindel ; Bexar Grotto 
; 'texascavers@texascavers.com' 

Subject: Re: [BexarGrotto] Bexar Grotto Holiday Party 5:30 pm, Saturday, 
December 15, 2018

Concerning last rule::: what if we bring our own parachute?



Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Geary Schindel 
mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>>
Date: 11/28/18 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Bexar Grotto 
mailto:bexargro...@googlegroups.com>>, 
"'texascavers@texascavers.com'" 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: [BexarGrotto] Bexar Grotto Holiday Party 5:30 pm, Saturday, December 
15, 2018


Folks,

This is a reminder that the Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on 
Saturday, December 15, 2018 at Sue, Geary and Aspen Schindel’s house at 11310 
Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. The event will start at 5:30 pm and run until 
sometime later in the evening.

There will be a pot luck dinner so please bring a dish and make sure you take 
it home with you. Let me add that there have been some great dishes (with food 
on them) at previous parties but any contributions are appreciated. BYO 
beverage if you have particular tastes,

There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange starting around 8 pm  so 
please bring a reasonable gift if you want to participate. Homemade gifts with 
a theme or story are always appropriate. Estimated value of a gift should range 
from $0 to $20.

We will also be doing a food drive for Sue’s rolling pantry that she provides 
to many of her social work clients. So, dry goods, household consumables, 
canned food, etc is always appreciated.

Cavers and guests are welcome to attend.

Rules:

  *   We encourage and support “designated drivers” If you are not in condition 
to drive home, we have couch and floor space for you – and we will insist you 
stay. We’ll make breakfast for anyone spending the night;
  *   Please don’t block my neighbor’s driveways;
  *   No pets;
  *   Children are welcome as long as they are supervised. Note that the house 
is not kid proof.
  *   If you want to get in the hot tub, bring a towel; and,
  *   Last but not least, stay off the roof.

Thanks,

Geary, Sue, and Aspen
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[Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday Party 5:30 pm, Saturday, December 15, 2018

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder that the Bexar Grotto Holiday Party will be held on 
Saturday, December 15, 2018 at Sue, Geary and Aspen Schindel’s house at 11310 
Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. The event will start at 5:30 pm and run until 
sometime later in the evening.

There will be a pot luck dinner so please bring a dish and make sure you take 
it home with you. Let me add that there have been some great dishes (with food 
on them) at previous parties but any contributions are appreciated. BYO 
beverage if you have particular tastes,

There will also be a White Elephant gift exchange starting around 8 pm  so 
please bring a reasonable gift if you want to participate. Homemade gifts with 
a theme or story are always appropriate. Estimated value of a gift should range 
from $0 to $20.

We will also be doing a food drive for Sue’s rolling pantry that she provides 
to many of her social work clients. So, dry goods, household consumables, 
canned food, etc is always appreciated.

Cavers and guests are welcome to attend.

Rules:

  *   We encourage and support “designated drivers” If you are not in condition 
to drive home, we have couch and floor space for you – and we will insist you 
stay. We’ll make breakfast for anyone spending the night;
  *   Please don’t block my neighbor’s driveways;
  *   No pets;
  *   Children are welcome as long as they are supervised. Note that the house 
is not kid proof.
  *   If you want to get in the hot tub, bring a towel; and,
  *   Last but not least, stay off the roof.

Thanks,

Geary, Sue, and Aspen
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Re: [Texascavers] Lee Jay in hospital

[Geary Schindel]

Saw you called last night, I’ll try and call today.

Geary

From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Michael 
Gibbons
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 7:19 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Lee Jay in hospital

Thank you for the news Justin.
Please pass on my condolences and prayers to Lee Jay and family.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 7:33 PM Justin Shaw 
mailto:jus...@oztotl.net> wrote:
Lee Jay Graves has suffered a massive stroke with subarachnoid bleeding. His 
condition continues to deteriorate and he is not expected to recover.

If you would like to visit him he is at the main St. David’s hospital on 32nd 
St. here in Austin. He is on the 5th floor, room 555. Nurses recommend coming 
tonight or early tomorrow. There are no restrictions on visiting hours. Though 
he seems unresponsive, the sense of hearing is often the last to go.

His family is aware, and his sisters are in route and expected to arrive 
tonight or early tomorrow morning.

If you would like details, I’m willing to talk on the phone. 512-593-2283

With Love,
Justin



(apologies for such a heavy post, however when you’ve touched as many lives as 
LJ did, there’s too many people who’ll want to be in the loop for me to even 
think of everyone, much less directly contact everyone)

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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for New BSA Caving Policy & Training: "Cave Safely Cave Softly"

[Geary Schindel]

FYI,

Geary

Cavers,
If you take scouts caving then you NEED to watch this webinar.

Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
NSS CaveNet webinar chair


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New BSA Caving Policy & Training: "Cave Safely Cave Softly" Presenters: Allen 
Maddox & Debbie Spoons

Join us for a webinar on Dec 04, 2018 at 8:00 PM CST, which is, 9PM EST/ 7PM 
MST/ 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for correct starting time.
Register now!



Allen Maddox, NSS Youth Group Liaison Chairman and Debbie Spoons, NSS-BSA 
Liaison & BSA National Climbing & COPE Committee member will be the presenters.

As of April 2018, BSA has a new national caving policy and training program 
called, Cave Safely Cave Softly.

Cave Safely, Cave Softly is the Boy Scouts of America’s procedure for 
organizing BSA activities in commercial and noncommercial caves or lava tubes

If you are involved with scouts and caving, then you NEED to watch this 
webinar, for the protection of the youth, yourself and your liabilities.

BSA now requires that all leaders and participants that will be part of a BSA 
caving trip must read and understand the new policy and training information.

We will discuss the details of a “qualified trip leader, what age groups are 
allowed to enter a wild cave, how many “qualified trip leaders” are required 
for each group, the requirements for horizontal VS vertical caves, etc.

We know that people have a lot of questions and we will do our best to answer 
them.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.

The views in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS.
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[Texascavers] Monday, November 26 Bexar Grotto meeting program is a 3D photo real model of a Medina County, cave

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,
The Monday, November 26, 2018 Bexar Grotto program will be a presentation of 
the Edwards Aquifer Authority's (EAA) new Photo Real 3D Model of a Medina 
County, Texas cave. The model was produced by Benjy Von Cramon over a two year 
period. The EAA will use the model for research and educational purposes. 
Production of the model was supported by numerous Texas cavers as well as 
members the San Antonio Fire Department. The model contains more than 8,000 
photos that have been stitched together using a game engine and can be 
navigated using a six axis "Space Mouse." Six 3D movies are interspaced in the 
program and include local cavers. We'll sail down one of the 75 foot pits in 
the cave and then into the horizontal passage to view the Edwards Aquifer.
The grotto meeting starts at 7 pm at Chester's Hamburgers on I-410 in San 
Antonio.
Thanks,
Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] Passing of John Holsinger

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Sorry to inform you that Dr. John Holsinger passed away recently. He was a very 
well-known cave biologist and 2014 NSS Luminary speaker

https://caves.org/luminaries/index3.shtml

There is a short write up on Dr. Holsinger’s passing on the VSS website
home page:

www.virginiacaves.org<http://www.virginiacaves.org>

Geary Schindel
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[Texascavers] Join Us for Managing a Major International Caving Project: Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla, Tuesday, November 13,

[Geary Schindel]

Sorry for the short notice but just got into town late last night.

Geary


Cavers,
Our next webinar will be tomorrow, Tuesday Nov. 12th,  by Bill Steele, he has 
more interesting information about Huautla! Please join us for this exciting 
webinar and please forward this invitation to your caving email list.

Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
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Managing a Major International Caving Project: Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema 
Huautla. Presenter: Bill Steele
Join us for a webinar on Nov 13, 2018 at 8:00 PM CST Which is, 9PM EST/7PM MST/
6PM PST. Please check your time zone for correct starting time.


Our presenter, Bill Steele, will explain what it’s like managing such a huge 
project as the exploration of Sistema Huautla. (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema 
Huautla PESH)

Bill is now busy organizing the 2019 expedition of Proyecto Espeleologico 
Sistema Huautla (PESH), which is an official NSS project. During these 
expeditions his team will be exploring, mapping, conducing speleological 
studies and publishing information about of one of the world's greatest caves, 
Sistema Huautla. The cave is located in southern Mexico and is the deepest cave 
in the Western Hemisphere. PESH 2019 will be the 23rd expedition Bill has made 
to Huautla in 42 years. These expeditions have been his lifelong passion.
What's it like managing such a big project? Watch and find out.

Bill Steele, NSS 8072 LB-FE-CM-AL is a co-leader of PESH. His first trip to 
Huautla was 38 years ago in 1977. He joined the NSS in 1964 at age 16. Steele 
lives in Dallas, Texas. He caves in Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Mexico, and 
China. He's a member of the NSS Awards Committee and an officer of the 
Dallas/Fort Worth Grotto.
This and all webinars are recorded and stored on the NSS website for future 
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[Texascavers] Cave Management Module at Texas Hydro Geo Workshop this weekend.

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Just wanted to remind folks that the 5th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop is coming up 
this weekend. We have 35 modules lined up on various field data collection 
methods. I did want to highlight a new module for those that manage cave and 
karst resources.

Chelsea Ballard from Western Kentucky University and a Park Ranger at Mammoth 
Cave National Park will present a module on Cave Management and Karst 
Resources. Chelsea is also the Assistant Education Coordinator and Cave Guide 
at American Cave Conservation Association in Horse Cave, Kentucky. She has also 
been an NPS geoscientist in the Parks and worked at Diamond Cavers in Kentucky 
and El Malpais National Monument in New Mexico. She will be driving in from 
Kentucky to present a four hour module. This is an excellent opportunity to 
study with a professional cave resource manager.

Here is the description of the module.

Caves have attracted humans for thousands of years as places for shelter, 
recreation and other activities, not all good. This module will discuss 
management of surface and subsurface cave and karst resources including: 
conservation, restoration, recreation, science and environmental education. It 
will also touch upon geodiversity, biodiversity and wilderness concepts.

Chelsea has multi-generational ties to the Kentucky Cave Country and one of the 
best lists "Visitor Questions" I've seen on her Facebook Page.  I'm sure it 
will be an informative and entertaining presentation.

>From her Facebook Page.

18. Chelsea: "Hi, folks, welcome to Hidden River Cave, my name is Chelsea and 
I'll be your guide today!"
Visitor: "I figured you would be our guide because you're so pale"

19. Taking a trip to Glasgow..
Allie: "Chelsea, what are you reading?"
Me: "Caves and Karst of the USA"
Allie: I thought you were bringing a normal book to read and not a text book?"
Me: I did, (shows her "The Longest Cave")
Allie: "OH MY GOD! You've got to be kidding me!"

20. Today's experience at the doctor..
Doctor: "Oh my gosh! What happened to your elbows?"
Me: "I went caving"
*Doctor stares awkwardly*
I then explain I study caves and karst and I go caving for fun but also perform 
research projects in caves and I'm a park ranger at Mammoth Cave.
*doctor still stares awkwardly*
Me: "yeah, just never mind"

If you would like to attend the workshop, you can register at 
http://www.hydrogeoworkshop.org/

Geary Schindel
Co-Chair
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Re: [Texascavers] Notes on GPS, GNSS, and GIS for Cavers

[Geary Schindel]

One of the other issues you need to look at is what you’re doing with the data 
and how valuable it is to you. if you’re surveying a monitoring well network 
and have a flat water table, you may need to know the position of the measuring 
point to within 0.01 foot horizontally and vertically (vertically is much more 
difficult to get good data). If so, you need to use surveyor grade GPS systems 
and a licensed surveyor. However, sometimes even that won’t work. (Buy me a 
beer sometime and I’ll tell you the story of the $60 million survey error by an 
RLS resulting in four years of litigation.)

If you are just trying to be able to relocate something in the field that is 
pretty unique like a cave entrance or spring, maybe 3 meters accuracy is good 
enough and a hand held GPS unit would be fine. So, depends upon what your 
trying to map or record.

Bill, excellent article and thanks for sharing.

Geary Schindel
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>




From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Diana 
Tomchick
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 12:51 PM
To: Cave Tex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Notes on GPS, GNSS, and GIS for Cavers

I think the best take-home message in your PDF is the accuracy for a cell phone 
or tablet can vary depending upon not only the device but also upon the 
software used.

A useful addition to the PDF would be a table that lists the estimated accuracy 
for different devices that people actually use in the field, including handheld 
consumer GPS units, cell phones, Bad Elf, etc.

I know the information is in the PDF, but having a table that collects all the 
information together would be extremely useful, especially when one needs and 
easy and quick way to explain to someone why using their internal Compass app 
on an iPhone isn’t as accurate as a handheld consumer GPS unit.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Sep 27, 2018, at 11:23 AM, William R. Elliott 
mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Diana,

I looked up what I could about iPhone XS Location. All Apple said was this:

Assisted GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, and QZSS
Digital compass [apparently the same old Compass app]
Wi‑Fi
Cellular
iBeacon microlocation [used indoors at stores via Bluetooth)

So, we don't know if the accuracy has been improved. With the same old Compass 
app, the precision is cut off at one second, about ±30 m. As I mentioned in my 
article, get the free Compass 55 app and you'll achieve a precision of ±0.1 
degree, or about ±1m, but that's not the same as the phone's accuracy, which 
may only be ±10 m.

I've found that if you ask a salesman about these things they'll give you 
anecdotal information or a guess. They often brag about how the phone uses cell 
towers to improve its accuracy, but that's not what we want out in the wild. 
Good luck!
William R. (Bill) Elliott
speodes...@gmail.com<mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>
573-291-5093 cell


On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:45 AM Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> 
wrote:
I would be curious to know the accuracy of the latest iPhoneXS models.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Sep 26, 2018, at 11:01 PM, William R. Elliott 
mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Attached is a pdf article I wrote for the Texas Cavers list.

Here are some notes on tablets, cell phones, GPS (Global Positioning System), 
and apps that cavers might use for cave projects, especially apps that are free 
or not too pricey. GPS and GIS (Geographic Information System) are my sub-hobby 
within caving. I recently experimented with the Bad Elf GPS Pro and a Windows 
tablet among other things. The procedures to make these things work together 
are not completely spelled out in the user manuals, so I had to figure things 
out by testing. New devices are coming on the market. Maybe this article will 
save readers some time, and I welcome discussion of these topics.

Thanks, see y'all at TCR,
William R. (Bill) Elliott
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573-291-5093 cell
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Salt, Smoke, and Sketchy Slopes: 11 Miles of Survey in Grand Canyon Caves

[Geary Schindel]

Another NSS webinar post.

Cavers,
Have you ever wondered about the cave in the Grand Canyon?? This webinar will 
take you over the rim of the Grand Canyon and show you the details on the 
latest expedition into the amazing caves of the Grand Canyon.


Please forward this email to your email list of people that might be interested.


Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
NSS CaveNet Webinar Chair





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Salt, Smoke, and Sketchy Slopes: 11 Miles of Survey in Grand Canyon Caves 
Presenter: Beth Cortright
Join us for a webinar on Oct 02, 2018 at 8:00 PM CDT.Which is: 9PM EDT/ 7PM MDT/
6PM PDT. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
Register now!


In the Grand Canyon National Park, expedition teams have surveyed over 11 miles 
of new cave passage in the past 2 years.

A new cave with large passages and impressive calcite, gypsum, epsomite, and 
mirabilite formations, called Gryffindor Cave, was discovered in 2016. The 
following year, surveyors mapped a connection between Gryffindor Cave and 
Double Bopper Cave, which was already the longest and deepest cave in Arizona.

Expeditions in fall 2017 mapped 5.7 miles of new survey in this system and 
brought the length of Double Bopper Cave to 36.7 miles.
Several accomplished cave photographers were present on these expeditions, 
providing spectacular photographic documentation of the passages, formations, 
and antics of the cavers involved.

This presentation was given in the US Exploration session during the 2018 NSS 
Convention in Helena, Montana. Join us for another look at recent discoveries 
in the newly descovered caves in Grand Canyon National Park.

Presenter: Beth Cortright has been caving for about 11 years. She began 
exploring underground while attending college and primarily caved in south 
central Kentucky, where she learned to survey. During this time, Beth also got 
involved with a group surveying caves in collaboration with archaeologists at 
Maya sites in the Yucatan, Mexico. Through her adventures with the caving group 
in Kentucky and Mexico, Beth was invited on a weeklong expedition into 
Lechuguilla Cave in Carlsbad Caverns National Park in 2011. Beth has since 
returned to Lechuguilla many times, and to many other New Mexico caves as well, 
for more day trips and expeditions. Beth also participates in expeditions to 
Montana’s Bob Marshall Wilderness and Grand Canyon National Park.

The views expressed in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for World Speleology: The International Union of Speleology and the NSS. Presenter: George Vein

[Geary Schindel]

FYI,

Forwarded for Debbie Spoons

Geary Schindel


Cavers
Have you ever wondered about international caving projects and how to be a part 
of them?? Our next webinar will be given by George Veni, the President of the 
International Union of Speleology (UIS). George will explain the UIS, its 
mission and how you can be involved!


Please forward this email to your friends and anyone that may be interested, 
and join us for our next great webinar.



Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
NSS Webinar Chair




World Speleology: The International Union of Speleology (UIS) and the NSS. 
Presenter: George Vein President of the UIS
Join us for a webinar on Sep 18, 2018 at 8:00 PM CDT, which is, 9PM EDT/ 7PM 
MDT/ 6PM PDT. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
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Cavers know about caving opportunities and needs in their area. Many have a 
pretty good idea of what’s happening nationally, but what about caving at the 
global level?
Does it even affect you?
Can you get involved, and if so, how?

The International Union of Speleology (abbreviated “UIS”) is essentially the 
United Nations of caving. It is composed of 54 member nations, working together 
to advance cave and karst research and management, and especially exploration, 
which makes everything else possible. The NSS represents the US to the UIS.

This webinar will give you the basic background on the UIS and focus on its 
many projects around the world, how they merge with the goals of the NSS, and 
how you can join them—even without leaving home.
For a pre-webinar preview of the UIS, visit 
www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org>.

George Veni is a long-time caver and lifetime NSS member who has been active in 
many NSS and regional caving projects. For nearly the past 12 years he has been 
best known as the Executive Director of the National Cave and Karst Research 
Institute, (NCKRI). Since 2002 he has served on the UIS Bureau (governing 
board), first as an Adjunct Secretary, and then eight years as the Vice 
President of Administration. For the past year George has served as the only, 
UIS President from the USA.

This webinar, and all webinars are recorded and stored on the NSS website, 
www.caves.org<http://www.caves.org> for later viewing and downloading.
The opinions and views in this webinar are not necessarily those of the NSS.
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Jim Evatt nailed it.: Our beloved Rio Grande

[Geary Schindel]

I’ll see if I can weight in and make some sense. My understanding is that water 
below Del Rio and the Falcon Reservoir are used for irrigation in the lower Rio 
Grande Valley. In some very dry years, there is insufficient water to meet all 
the irrigation demands and that the Rio Grande doesn’t make it all the way to 
the gulf. There are claims that Mexico isn’t honoring their IBWC agreement to 
discharge water from dams on the Rio Conchos River to sustain demand in the 
lower valley. We have an agreement to discharge water from the Lower Colorado 
into Mexico. Turns out that the area between the US/Mexico border south of 
Nogales is an important vegetable growing area in Mexico so very little if any 
water makes it to the Gulf of California.

This is a lot of detailed literature available on the subject which is worth 
looking into.

Geary



From: swrcav...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Robert Wood
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:21 PM
To: Ormsby, Matthew A 
Cc: Dwight Deal ; John Corcoran III 
; Lee Skinner ; Evatt 
; Cave Texas ; Cave NM 

Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Jim Evatt nailed it.: Our beloved Rio Grande

Mathew,

I am so glad you weighed in and offered such an awesome perspective. I wonder 
what Texas is doing with the Rio Grande water that is flowing south out of NM 
right now? I am super uninformed about Texas hydrology and you along with 
others in this stream have aided me in becoming more informed. Thank you.

This topic, as we all have mentioned is super complex dating back to the mid 
1800’s. The challenge we all face is that being  complex (and convoluted) 
cannot be allowed to cloud out manageability and conflict dispute resolution. 
Water is by far the topic most in need of being addressed across the globe. A 
great book on the subject is “The Big Thirst” by Charles Fishman.

My challenge is, how to get my sailboat out of Elephant Butte if it goes much 
lower. Life is an adventure or nothing at all. :-)

Rob


On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Ormsby, Matthew A 
mailto:matthew.orm...@usoncology.com>> wrote:

Rob,

I wasn’t going to post anything but I think there’s a tremendous misconception 
about the Rio Grande in Texas. Probably the one thing I do more often than cave 
is paddle rivers so I have some perspective of West Texas waterways that’s 
unique. A month ago I took a group of scouts upstream into Santa Elena Canyon 
on a canoe assisted hike. If you call Big Bend, it’s usually advertised as 
such. In sections of the canyon the water was no more than 2 inches deep. The 
canyon is a pool and drop just like the Pecos and Devil’s River so it pools up, 
gets deep and drops over a ledge that’s usually fairly shallow. I’ve paddled 
the entire Big Bend From Santa Elena all the way through Boquilla’s on several 
different trips at different times of the year and in different years. When the 
Rio Grande is deep in Texas, it’s because of rain in Texas and Mexico, not from 
water coming from New Mexico (generally speaking). The West Gulf RFC website 
displays river gauges that demonstrate as much if you check them often and know 
what you’re looking at. The Rio below Santa Elena gets deeper due to numerous 
hot springs and creeks but they are dependent on rainfall as well. A decade ago 
a Mexican dam crested and the entire Big Bend was flooded, again, not from New 
Mexico and snowmelt but from the Rio Conchos and a hurricane that filled their 
lake. What should be noted is Lake Amistad gets its water from the Rio Grande 
AND the Pecos River AND the Devil’s River.

Now take everything I’ve said about the Rio Grande and put the name Pecos in 
its place, Texas gets virtually NO water coming down the Pecos River. Most of 
it is impounded upstream ending in Red Bluff lake on the boarder. If you’ve 
driven from Monahans to Pecos it’s not uncommon to see it dry on both sides of 
the highway. The Pecos and Devils have numerous springs that add tremendous 
volume during their last 60 miles (46 for the devils), completely dependent on 
rainfall. Right now, all 3 rivers are at high volumes due to the amount of rain 
we’ve had over the past several weeks south of I-10. I’m itching to take my 
boats out because the best trips are riding the tail ends of flash floods. The 
rivers can gain 30 feet in height in the lower canyons in under an hour but 
they usually drop to normal levels within days.

5 years ago my brother and I paddled the devils river on the tail end of a 
flash flood all the way into Amistad. It’s a 46 mile trip with 12 miles of lake 
paddling (really hard into the wind paddling). Well, we got to mile 34 and 
started our canoe assisted hike because Amistad was so low the lake, which 
should have backfilled to that point, was 20 feet low. We walked our canoe 10 
miles in a foot or less of water until we made it into the lake. Amistad has 
since mostly filled due to rain south of I-10.

And I guess that’s the point, when Amistad is full, it’s because of rain in 
South West Texas. If Texas 

[Texascavers] 5th Texas Hydro Geo Workshop

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

We wanted to let you know that the web page for the 5th Texas Hydro Geo 
Workshop is up and running. The dates for the event are October 5-7 at Cave 
Without a Name, near Boerne, Texas. You must preregister to attend.  If you 
would like to attend as a participant, the cost is $50 for the weekend. The fee 
includes breakfast on Saturday and Sunday, dinner on Saturday, camping, a T 
shirt, an NSS donated book, key note speaker presentation, and about 40 modules 
related to the collection of geologic and environmental field data. We 
recommend that your register early as attendance is limited and we've had a 
waiting list most years.

If you would like to volunteer for the event, we request you be available for 
at least four hours during the event. You can attend the modules in your free 
time. Our major crunch time is registration on Friday evening and tear down on 
Sunday around noon. We have a need for about 25 volunteers that receive all the 
benefits of the participants (food, camping, T shirts, etc) and attend at no 
cost.

If you would like to propose, present or help with a module, please contact 
Geary Schindel and we can discuss the module programs and opportunities. Module 
presenters also receive all the benefits of participants and attend at no cost.

To register for the event as a participant, volunteer, or module presenter, 
please visit the web page at http://hydrogeoworkshop.org/

Geary Schindel, Co-chair
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>

Mike Harris, Co-chair
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