[Texascavers] Update to TSA mailing address

[Heather Tucek]

For those who use USPS to send checks to the Texas Speleological
Association for membership renewal, we have a new address! The TSC is
graciously allowing us to use their address as a permanent location rather
than the PO Box on UT campus (since UTG doesn't meet at UT anymore, this
only makes sense.

The new address is:
Texas Speleological Association
14045 N Green Hills Loop
Austin Texas 78737


But as always... it's faster to pay online. ;)




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TSA Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
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[Texascavers] Update on Honey Creek

[Bill Steele]

> From: Annalisa Peace 
> Date: June 25, 2021 at 2:52:23 PM CDT
> To: cwilliamste...@gmail.com
> Subject: Update on Honey Creek
> Reply-To: annal...@aquiferalliance.org
> 
> 
> If you have trouble reading this email click here.
> 
> Dear GEAA members and friends,
> 
> While we still have grave concerns about the impacts of the Honey Creek Ranch 
> development on the Honey Creek State Natural Area and our groundwater 
> resources, I am pleased to announce that we have reached a settlement 
> agreement with the owners of the property, Silesia Inc. that allays some of 
> our concerns.
> 
> GEAA, Texas Cave Management Association, Bulverde Neighborhoods for Clean 
> Water, and landowners recognized with standing in contesting Silesia’s permit 
> for waste water treatment for the Honey Creek Ranch MUD have agreed to 
> withdraw our rights to contest this permit, which has since been granted.
> 
> After nearly 15 hours of negotiating, we were able to secure a settlement 
> agreement that included the following improvements to Silesia’s development 
> plans:
> 
> • a reduction from 2,300 to 1,640 homes (660 fewer homes)
> 
> • The waste water plant will employ UV rather than chlorine 
> treatment, will employ a  Class A rather than a Class C operator for the 
> plant, and provide backup power for lift stations
> 
> • Required storage for wastewater increased from 3 days to 6 days 
> capacity
> 
> • Reduced daily effluent limits: Total Nitrogen to 6 mg/L and Total 
> Phosphorous 0.5 mg/L
> 
> • Permit holder prohibited from amending TLAP to permit direct 
> discharge (TPDES) in perpetuity
> 
> • Enhanced soil depth testing and increased soil depth in areas 
> irrigated with waste water from 18” to 20”
> 
> • Two spring and seep checks and regular water quality testing for 8 
> wells
> 
> • No new groundwater wells & No increase in pumping from existing 
> wells on the site
> 
> • Development will comply with dark sky ordinances
> 
> • No use of coal tar sealant on roads or driveways
> 
> • Greenspace buffer 
> 
> • Notification requirement if permit ownership is to be transferred
> 
> • New permit owner must agree to the agreement in writing with notary 
> stamp
> 
> • Commercial properties are not included in waste water permit
> 
> You can read the full settlement agreement here.
> 
> Still, we believe the development is far too dense for this site and poses a 
> great threat to the Honey Creek ecosystem.  We will continue to monitor and 
> seek to improve future plans for the site, including the Storm Water 
> Pollution Prevention Plan and the Master Development Plan, and to engage in 
> any efforts that might be effective in preventing despoiling of a treasured 
> Texas Natural Area.
> 
> 
> 
> Meanwhile, we have been alerted to new applications to release waste water 
> effluent into additional Hill Country streams, including into San Geronimo 
> Creek – which is a major recharge feature of the Edwards Aquifer. GEAA will 
> keep devoting resources to opposing such plans. We are extremely grateful to 
> all of you who support these efforts. It is our goal that all of us can  
> continue to enjoy swimming and fishing in our beautiful Hill Country streams 
> and rivers this summer and always.
> 
> Have a wonderful weekend!
> 
> Annalisa Peace
> 
> Executive Director
> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
> 
> You can donate to GEAA on line or mail a check to PO Box 15618, San Antonio, 
> Texas 78212
> 
> You can always keep up with interesting water news on GEAA's Face Book page  
> 
>  http://earthshare-texas.org/news/reliant-ecoshare-program/
> 
> 
> 
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> This message was sent to cwilliamste...@gmail.com from 
> annal...@aquiferalliance.org
> 
> Annalisa Peace
> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
> 1809 Blanco Road
> San Antonio, Tx 78212
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Re: [Texascavers] Update on Honey Creek

[James Jasek]

Sent from my iPhoneX

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 5:59 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> 

Below is the latest news from the Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance (GEAA) on 
the wastewater system proposed for Honey Creek. For more information on GEAA or 
to get on their mailing list directly, contact them at the links below.

George



Dear Friends of Honey Creek,

Last week a few people received notices that Silesia had applied for a new 
Texas Land Application Permit (TLAP) for Honey Creek Ranch. You can read the 
notice 
here.
  You can see the Affected Landowner Map 
here
 and the Groundwater Quality Report 
here.
 You can see more information 
here
 under "Honey Creek Waste Water Permit".

This means that the clock starts over as this is an application for a new 
permit.  We all need to respond with comments and request a public meeting for 
Proposed Permit # WQ0015835001

You may also request a contested case hearing.  To do so, you must include your 
name, address, applicants name (Silesia Properties LP) and Proposed Permit # 
WQ0015835001, the location and distance of your property/activities relative to 
the proposed facility, a specific description of how you would be adversely 
affected by the facility in a way not common to the general public, a list of 
all disputed issues of the fact that you submit during the comment period, and 
the statement "I request a contested case hearing".

If a contested case hearing is granted, the subject of the hearing will be 
limited to disputed issues of fact or mixed questions of fact and law related 
to relevant and material water quality concerns submitted during the comment 
period. So, make sure that all your concerns are stated in this communication.

You may submit your comments 
on-line
 
(https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment)
 by entering WQ0015835. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the Chief 
Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087.

TCEQ will hold a public meeting if the Executive Director determines that there 
is a significant degree of public interest in the application or if the 
requested by a local legislator. Requests to Representative 
Beidermann,
 Senator 
Campbell,
 and Comal County 
Commissioners
 asking them to contact TCEQ to request a public meeting would be helpful.

We had a great meeting at the Mammen Public Library on December 4th.  In 
addition to the new permit, we discussed reports that bull dozers began 
clearing on the site, in violation of the City of Bulverde's Tree ordinance.

*  Fundraising: To date $23,555 has been raised assuming we meet the $15,000 
match. We still need to raise $7,455 to secure the full match.

Brie Jameson and Joyce Moore will work on fundraiser at Honey Creek Cave.  This 
would be a high dollar ticket event.  (Thank you, Joyce and Brie!)

Julie Whittaker: reported on bids for SAVE HONEY CREEK signs and Facebook info 
with block font in med blue.

Lone Star Reprographics: 4'x8' fence signs in Coroplast. $112 each, 50 Yard 
signs  $10.50 each, stakes $1.50 each and Fast Signs: 4'x8' banner with 
grommets $145.13 each, 50 Yard signs with stakes  $14.80 each. It was agreed 
that we would get the best bang for the buck by ordering four 4' x 8' fence 
signs to display at strategic locations.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts to date.  Our next meeting will be at 
6:00 p.m. on Tuesd

Re: [Texascavers] Update on Honey Creek

[James Jasek]

Sent from my iPhoneX

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 5:59 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> 

Below is the latest news from the Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance (GEAA) on 
the wastewater system proposed for Honey Creek. For more information on GEAA or 
to get on their mailing list directly, contact them at the links below.

George



Dear Friends of Honey Creek,

Last week a few people received notices that Silesia had applied for a new 
Texas Land Application Permit (TLAP) for Honey Creek Ranch. You can read the 
notice 
here.
  You can see the Affected Landowner Map 
here
 and the Groundwater Quality Report 
here.
 You can see more information 
here
 under "Honey Creek Waste Water Permit".

This means that the clock starts over as this is an application for a new 
permit.  We all need to respond with comments and request a public meeting for 
Proposed Permit # WQ0015835001

You may also request a contested case hearing.  To do so, you must include your 
name, address, applicants name (Silesia Properties LP) and Proposed Permit # 
WQ0015835001, the location and distance of your property/activities relative to 
the proposed facility, a specific description of how you would be adversely 
affected by the facility in a way not common to the general public, a list of 
all disputed issues of the fact that you submit during the comment period, and 
the statement "I request a contested case hearing".

If a contested case hearing is granted, the subject of the hearing will be 
limited to disputed issues of fact or mixed questions of fact and law related 
to relevant and material water quality concerns submitted during the comment 
period. So, make sure that all your concerns are stated in this communication.

You may submit your comments 
on-line
 
(https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment)
 by entering WQ0015835. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the Chief 
Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087.

TCEQ will hold a public meeting if the Executive Director determines that there 
is a significant degree of public interest in the application or if the 
requested by a local legislator. Requests to Representative 
Beidermann,
 Senator 
Campbell,
 and Comal County 
Commissioners
 asking them to contact TCEQ to request a public meeting would be helpful.

We had a great meeting at the Mammen Public Library on December 4th.  In 
addition to the new permit, we discussed reports that bull dozers began 
clearing on the site, in violation of the City of Bulverde's Tree ordinance.

*  Fundraising: To date $23,555 has been raised assuming we meet the $15,000 
match. We still need to raise $7,455 to secure the full match.

Brie Jameson and Joyce Moore will work on fundraiser at Honey Creek Cave.  This 
would be a high dollar ticket event.  (Thank you, Joyce and Brie!)

Julie Whittaker: reported on bids for SAVE HONEY CREEK signs and Facebook info 
with block font in med blue.

Lone Star Reprographics: 4'x8' fence signs in Coroplast. $112 each, 50 Yard 
signs  $10.50 each, stakes $1.50 each and Fast Signs: 4'x8' banner with 
grommets $145.13 each, 50 Yard signs with stakes  $14.80 each. It was agreed 
that we would get the best bang for the buck by ordering four 4' x 8' fence 
signs to display at strategic locations.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts to date.  Our next meeting will be at 
6:00 p.m. on Tuesd

[Texascavers] Update on Honey Creek

[George Veni]

Below is the latest news from the Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance (GEAA) on 
the wastewater system proposed for Honey Creek. For more information on GEAA or 
to get on their mailing list directly, contact them at the links below.

George



Dear Friends of Honey Creek,

Last week a few people received notices that Silesia had applied for a new 
Texas Land Application Permit (TLAP) for Honey Creek Ranch. You can read the 
notice 
here.
  You can see the Affected Landowner Map 
here
 and the Groundwater Quality Report 
here.
 You can see more information 
here
 under "Honey Creek Waste Water Permit".

This means that the clock starts over as this is an application for a new 
permit.  We all need to respond with comments and request a public meeting for 
Proposed Permit # WQ0015835001

You may also request a contested case hearing.  To do so, you must include your 
name, address, applicants name (Silesia Properties LP) and Proposed Permit # 
WQ0015835001, the location and distance of your property/activities relative to 
the proposed facility, a specific description of how you would be adversely 
affected by the facility in a way not common to the general public, a list of 
all disputed issues of the fact that you submit during the comment period, and 
the statement "I request a contested case hearing".

If a contested case hearing is granted, the subject of the hearing will be 
limited to disputed issues of fact or mixed questions of fact and law related 
to relevant and material water quality concerns submitted during the comment 
period. So, make sure that all your concerns are stated in this communication.

You may submit your comments 
on-line
 
(https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment)
 by entering WQ0015835. Or you can mail comments to TCEQ Office of the Chief 
Clerk, MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087.

TCEQ will hold a public meeting if the Executive Director determines that there 
is a significant degree of public interest in the application or if the 
requested by a local legislator. Requests to Representative 
Beidermann,
 Senator 
Campbell,
 and Comal County 
Commissioners
 asking them to contact TCEQ to request a public meeting would be helpful.

We had a great meeting at the Mammen Public Library on December 4th.  In 
addition to the new permit, we discussed reports that bull dozers began 
clearing on the site, in violation of the City of Bulverde's Tree ordinance.

*  Fundraising: To date $23,555 has been raised assuming we meet the $15,000 
match. We still need to raise $7,455 to secure the full match.

Brie Jameson and Joyce Moore will work on fundraiser at Honey Creek Cave.  This 
would be a high dollar ticket event.  (Thank you, Joyce and Brie!)

Julie Whittaker: reported on bids for SAVE HONEY CREEK signs and Facebook info 
with block font in med blue.

Lone Star Reprographics: 4'x8' fence signs in Coroplast. $112 each, 50 Yard 
signs  $10.50 each, stakes $1.50 each and Fast Signs: 4'x8' banner with 
grommets $145.13 each, 50 Yard signs with stakes  $14.80 each. It was agreed 
that we would get the best bang for the buck by ordering four 4' x 8' fence 
signs to display at strategic locations.

Thanks to all of you for your efforts to date.  Our next meeting will be at 
6:00 p.m. on Tuesday, January 7th at the Mammen Family Public Library (131 
Bulverde Crossing).

[Texascavers] Update on my last post

[David]

>From David Locklear
( Probably should hit the Delete Button )

I know that I said that I was bailing out on the former caver in a crisis.

But I found some info today on her boyfriend's Facebook page.
He announced his engagement to someone ( maybe her ?? ) on February 8th.
There are three toxic post from him ( ranting to himself ?? ) about the her
on Christmas Eve, but no ither Facebook users commented.

There are no post at all from her to him "ever," that I can see on my end.
 Also, he has few Facebook people responding to his post and he post
everyday, suggesting he might have a loose marble.  Looking at his Facebook
history, he is just a typical redneck - meaning nothing stands out - other
than his recent obsession for her.

He has not responded to my messages raising concern.  Yet he post some b.s.
everyday.

He is the only lead - if she is indeed in trouble.

It has been over 24 hours since I raised an alarm.

Maybe she is just shopping for a wedding-dress, and no longer has Internet
access ?

But my sixth sense smells something abnormal.   There are no normal
pictures of him and her as a couple or any mention of her as a person like
a normal Facebook user would post.

One odd thing, is that she has been obsessed with posting for years, and
suddenly nothing for 10 days.   And no proof any of her post in the past 7
weeks were really actually her.   Meaning, in theory, this could be bad.

Again, I see no way to file a missing persons report.

D.L.
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[Texascavers] Update on the Thailand cave rescue - Day 10

[Lee H. Skinner]

This evening I watched as the story unfolded on CBS, NBC and ABC.  I 
thought ABC had the most detailed and interesting information:



ABC Evening News:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZChoyCwgnkc


It's not over by any means yet.   Some boys may have to be trained to 
swim.  A medic diver is with them.  And the distance underwater is long 
to the entrance.  If possible, a shaft may have to be drilled in a 
sloping jungle.



Hypothermia is not as problem as the cave is near 100 deg F. But more 
monsoon rains may be coming.



Lee Skinner

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[Texascavers] "Update" -Soccer team trapped in flooded cave complex in Thailand

[Dwight]

I pass on this information from Terry Bolger, our man in Laos. Apparently (as 
of last night Denver time) the folks have not yet been located. 

DirtDoc 

- Original Message -

From: "Terry Bolger" 
To: "Dwight"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:33:11 PM 
Subject: Re: Soccer team trapped in flooded cave complex in Thailand 


Hi Dwight, 

The cavers here are doing what we can to help. One expat British caver lives 
near Tham Luang and knows the cave well. He has been working with the Thai 
authorities about the rescue. I have facilitated contacts through the Thai 
government to request for an experienced group of British cave divers to come 
and assist (if they want assistance). 

Let's hope they are found and rescued. 

Cheers, Terry 
xx 

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 3:48:33 AM GMT+7, Dwight < dirt...@comcast.net> 
wrote: 


(Reuters) 


BANGKOK (Reuters) - Search and rescue teams in Thailand were looking on Monday 
for 13 members of an under-16 soccer team trapped in a flooded cave complex 
deep inside a mountain. 
Updated Updated 11 hours ago 
Share 





The boys' bicycles and soccer boots were found at the mouth of the Tham Luang 
caves, in the northern province of Chiang Rai, after they went missing late on 
Saturday. 




They were believed to have been trapped by rising waters inside the cave 
network when heavy rain hit. 



Members of a navy "seal" unit including a team of divers, are searching the 
cave system. 

"The team went down to a depth of 5 metres (16 feet) and found a large chamber 
... but we've found no trace of the children," the navy unit said on its 
Facebook page. 




A navy commander overseeing the search said he was hopeful the 12 twelve boys 
and their 20-year-old coach would be rescued. 

"I believe they're all still alive but they might be exhausted ... we should 
get good news today," Rear Admiral Arparkorn Yookongkaew told Reuters. 

People wanting to explore the cave are meant to get permission. Thailand is in 
the middle of its rainy season when caves can flood. 

(Reporting by Panarat Thepgumpanat; Additional reporting by Amy Sawitta Lefevre 
and Juarwee Kittisilpa; Writing by Amy Sawitta Lefevre; Editing by Robert 
Birsel) 

Same story, different news sources: 

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/soccer-team-trapped-in-flooded-cave-complex-in-thailand
 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/asia/thailand-cave-boys-trapped/index.html 

http://www.newser.com/story/261058/youth-soccer-team-missing-in-flooded-cave.html
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Update on Mixon

[Alex Sproul via Texascavers]

Thank you, Josie, for the update. I'm greatly relieved to hear he's doing 
better. I 
was worried about him at convention. Please keep up the reports.

Alex

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[Texascavers] Update on Mixon

[via Texascavers]

Just to give ya'll an update on Bill Mixon. He is much better, and will be 
discharged from the hospital today or tomorrow. He will, however, be getting 
some physical therapy in a rehab facility for about another week, to build up 
his strength. He has his ipad, laptop and phone with him, but just doesn't want 
a lot of visitors.
Thanks for asking about him. He has a lot of friends! Jocie
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[Texascavers] Update- Grotto Meeting, Nov 2

[Aubri Jenson via Texascavers]

Greetings, cavers!

This week Wednesday at the UT Grotto meeting Jean Krejca will talk about a
a trip to Lechuguilla cave led by Derek Bristol in September 2016.
The presentation portion of the grotto meeting will be live streamed via
Periscope https://www.periscope.tv/utgrotto at approximately 8:30pm CST
(the actual time will be announced via Twitter @UTGrotto).
***

The meeting is at 7:45pm in Burdine 116. Follow this link to a map of where
the building is located on the University of Texas campus:
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html


For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org

Before the meeting, gather at the Taco Join on San Jacinto Blvd. This is
the best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. After
the meeting we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for
burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East! www.posse-east.com


See you there!
Cheers,
Aubri Jenson
UT Grotto Vice-chair
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Re: [Texascavers] update on Charlie Yates

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

I thoroughly enjoyed this great video on Charlie Yates and the battle of San 
Jacinto. Watching it on my I-phone was very disruptive due to the start and 
stop of the catch up process. Can this be purchased on a CD? I would very much 
like to purchase one or more. 
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:02 AM, Brian Riordan via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> That was very cool.  Thank you for sharing that Logan.
> 
> -Brian - old A.S.S.
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ron Fieseler called this morning.  No dates yet for memorial(s). There may 
>> be two--one for his statewide compadres of Texian reenactors, Republic of 
>> Texas history buffs, and black powder folks--and another one for cavers. A 
>> new Facebook group was established recently by Paula Good called Southwest 
>> Texas State Friends, and has some old photos of Charlie and other cavers in 
>> the 1970s.
>> 
>> For those of you who never had the pleasure of knowing him, here is a link 
>> to an entertaining 2011 video by Texas Parks and Wildlife Department called 
>> Charlie and His Cannon. You will see why he will be missed by everyone who 
>> knew him.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjfI_Hz5sCk
>> 
>> Logan McNatt
>> lmcn...@austin.rr.com
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Re: [Texascavers] update on Charlie Yates

[Brian Riordan via Texascavers]

That was very cool.  Thank you for sharing that Logan.

-Brian - old A.S.S.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

>
> Ron Fieseler called this morning.  No dates yet for memorial(s). There may
> be two--one for his statewide compadres of Texian reenactors, Republic of
> Texas history buffs, and black powder folks--and another one for cavers. A
> new Facebook group was established recently by Paula Good called Southwest
> Texas State Friends, and has some old photos of Charlie and other cavers in
> the 1970s.
>
> For those of you who never had the pleasure of knowing him, here is a link
> to an entertaining 2011 video by Texas Parks and Wildlife Department called
> Charlie and His Cannon. You will see why he will be missed by everyone who
> knew him.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjfI_Hz5sCk
>
> Logan McNatt
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[Texascavers] update on Charlie Yates

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

Ron Fieseler called this morning.  No dates yet for memorial(s). There 
may be two--one for his statewide compadres of Texian reenactors, 
Republic of Texas history buffs, and black powder folks--and another one 
for cavers. A new Facebook group was established recently by Paula Good 
called Southwest Texas State Friends, and has some old photos of Charlie 
and other cavers in the 1970s.


For those of you who never had the pleasure of knowing him, here is a 
link to an entertaining 2011 video by Texas Parks and Wildlife 
Department called Charlie and His Cannon. You will see why he will be 
missed by everyone who knew him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjfI_Hz5sCk

Logan McNatt
lmcn...@austin.rr.com
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[Texascavers] update - Exploration diver dies in Santa Rosa’s Blue Hole

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Exploration diver dies in Santa Rosa’s Blue Hole 
by Ron Warnick 




A diver with an exploration team died Saturday after an apparent accident deep 
in the underwater caverns of the famed Blue Hole of Santa Rosa, New Mexico. 

Shane Thompson, 43, of San Diego, an experienced diver with the ADM Exploration 
Foundation , died Saturday after he went missing during his team's 
much-anticipated exploration of the Blue Hole's caverns more than 160 feet 
below the surface, according to today's print edition of Guadalupe County 
Communicator, based in Santa Rosa. 

The newspaper reported another experienced diver with the team, Mike Young, 
nearly died Saturday as well during a "chaotic series of events" at the end of 
the team's mission. 

The exploration turned into a recovery mission for Thompson's body. His remains 
eventually were brought to the surface Easter Sunday. 

The tragedy over the weekend occurred 40 years after two Oklahoma scuba divers 
died in the Blue Hole's underwater caverns in March 1976. It took New Mexico 
State Police divers weeks to recover one of the bodies. After that, the city of 
Santa Rosa installed a safety grate over the entrance to the caverns at the 
Blue Hole's bottom. 

The ADM team recently received permission from the city to explore the Blue 
Hole's many caves. 

After Thompson's body was brought to the surface, ADM's divers helped the city 
reinstall the safety grate. It's doubtful the city of Santa Rosa ever will 
again let anyone try to explore the Blue Hole's underwater caverns. 

The Blue Hole is a natural, 80-foot-deep sink that spews 3,000 gallons of water 
a minute. It's known for its clear waters and constant 62-degree temperature. 
It's been a popular recreational spot since the 1970s for Route 66 travelers 
and non-66ers alike. The Blue Hole's depth also makes it useful for scuba-diver 
training. 

(Image of the Blue Hole of Santa Rosa, New Mexico, in 2009 by Jayjay P via 
Flickr) 

Ron Warnick | March 31, 2016 at 11:16 am | Tags: Blue Hole , Santa Rosa | 
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BBC: Doctors have finally reached the injured caver: 
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Re: [Texascavers] Update on events of 2013

[Charles Goldsmith]

I understand, glad you are back at it and hope your recovery continues!


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:

> No, not behind, I'm just a terrible correspondent, these days. :) I read
> your email but forgot to reply. Between trying to re-integrate with the
> world and being forgetful on an intense new levelI'm a slow emailer. :)
> That's why I started early on the TSA convention, to compensate...But hey,
> it's working! The speaking schedule is already 50% confirmed! :)
>
> Thanks for the virtual wave!
>
> Mal
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Charles Goldsmith 
> wrote:
>
>> Behind on email much?  :)
>>
>> I flew through Houston the other day, did a virtual wave in your
>> direction.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
>>
>>> Charles,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your kind words! I'll put together an awesome TSA Spring
>>> Convention schedule for the speakers to prove that I'm back!
>>>
>>> Mallory
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Charles Goldsmith <
>>> wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
>>>
 We are just blessed that you are still with us and helping with the TSA
 :)


 On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:

> Hello Texas Cavers!
>
> I am about to put out a call shortly for TSA convention speakers, but
> since this listserv turned into "MalloryTex" temporarily for a couple of
> months there last summer, I just wanted to kind of address my situation 
> and
> get it out of the way first. :)
>
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! For everything--all your caring, your
> support, your interest, your patience, all the gifts/donations I recieved
> from grottos and cavers in this state. I cried a lot of sad/confused tears
> in the hospital, but a lot of happy tears after I saw the outpouring of
> support this community sent my way.  SO cool.
>
> It's been a rough, messy year, and there's a lot still to come. For
> example, the guy who hit me hasn't been convicted yet (due to endless 
> court
> resets), and there will be several court dates coming up in the coming
> months, perhaps years, and for that reason I really don't want to put much
> about the details of my recovery on a public listserv.   However, when 
> this
> whole situation is resolved, rest assured I will shout the happy events
> from the rooftops. Or maybe the top of some rope, in a pit. :) Regarding
> caving, it'll be some time before I'm in the shape I used to be in, but I
> am in a program called "Strength Unlimited" to try to work on some of the
> physical damage from the incident, and I'm pleased with it so far. The
> prognosis is WA more positive than it was last summer. :) I graduated
> rehab Dec. 19th, so I do have some physical therapy/emotional therapy to
> continue with, but the worst/biggest part is over. I hope to see many of
> you at the TSA convention this spring. Besides being thrilled to actually
> be able to make it, I'm especially excited for this convention because 
> Rex,
> my partner in survival, will be attending! This will be his first caving
> gathering of any sort, and he's looking forward to seeing what I've been
> rambling on about for months. So please volunteer to speak if you've got
> cool content! I can guarantee at least two appreciative spectators. :)
>
> Often, I feel a lot like a boxer after they just got
> suckerpunched...confused, reeling, but ultimately just trying to get back
> on my feet and soldier on. And I want to thank all of y'all for helping me
> make that happen, and for reminding me who I was, and still am.
>
> Cavingly Yours,
>
> Mallory Mayeux
> GHG Chair
>
>
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update on events of 2013

[Mallory Mayeux]

No, not behind, I'm just a terrible correspondent, these days. :) I read
your email but forgot to reply. Between trying to re-integrate with the
world and being forgetful on an intense new levelI'm a slow emailer. :)
That's why I started early on the TSA convention, to compensate...But hey,
it's working! The speaking schedule is already 50% confirmed! :)

Thanks for the virtual wave!

Mal


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> Behind on email much?  :)
>
> I flew through Houston the other day, did a virtual wave in your direction.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:
>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Thanks for your kind words! I'll put together an awesome TSA Spring
>> Convention schedule for the speakers to prove that I'm back!
>>
>> Mallory
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Charles Goldsmith > > wrote:
>>
>>> We are just blessed that you are still with us and helping with the TSA
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
>>>
 Hello Texas Cavers!

 I am about to put out a call shortly for TSA convention speakers, but
 since this listserv turned into "MalloryTex" temporarily for a couple of
 months there last summer, I just wanted to kind of address my situation and
 get it out of the way first. :)

 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! For everything--all your caring, your
 support, your interest, your patience, all the gifts/donations I recieved
 from grottos and cavers in this state. I cried a lot of sad/confused tears
 in the hospital, but a lot of happy tears after I saw the outpouring of
 support this community sent my way.  SO cool.

 It's been a rough, messy year, and there's a lot still to come. For
 example, the guy who hit me hasn't been convicted yet (due to endless court
 resets), and there will be several court dates coming up in the coming
 months, perhaps years, and for that reason I really don't want to put much
 about the details of my recovery on a public listserv.   However, when this
 whole situation is resolved, rest assured I will shout the happy events
 from the rooftops. Or maybe the top of some rope, in a pit. :) Regarding
 caving, it'll be some time before I'm in the shape I used to be in, but I
 am in a program called "Strength Unlimited" to try to work on some of the
 physical damage from the incident, and I'm pleased with it so far. The
 prognosis is WA more positive than it was last summer. :) I graduated
 rehab Dec. 19th, so I do have some physical therapy/emotional therapy to
 continue with, but the worst/biggest part is over. I hope to see many of
 you at the TSA convention this spring. Besides being thrilled to actually
 be able to make it, I'm especially excited for this convention because Rex,
 my partner in survival, will be attending! This will be his first caving
 gathering of any sort, and he's looking forward to seeing what I've been
 rambling on about for months. So please volunteer to speak if you've got
 cool content! I can guarantee at least two appreciative spectators. :)

 Often, I feel a lot like a boxer after they just got
 suckerpunched...confused, reeling, but ultimately just trying to get back
 on my feet and soldier on. And I want to thank all of y'all for helping me
 make that happen, and for reminding me who I was, and still am.

 Cavingly Yours,

 Mallory Mayeux
 GHG Chair



>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update on events of 2013

[Charles Goldsmith]

Behind on email much?  :)

I flew through Houston the other day, did a virtual wave in your direction.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:

> Charles,
>
> Thanks for your kind words! I'll put together an awesome TSA Spring
> Convention schedule for the speakers to prove that I'm back!
>
> Mallory
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Charles Goldsmith 
> wrote:
>
>> We are just blessed that you are still with us and helping with the TSA :)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Texas Cavers!
>>>
>>> I am about to put out a call shortly for TSA convention speakers, but
>>> since this listserv turned into "MalloryTex" temporarily for a couple of
>>> months there last summer, I just wanted to kind of address my situation and
>>> get it out of the way first. :)
>>>
>>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! For everything--all your caring, your
>>> support, your interest, your patience, all the gifts/donations I recieved
>>> from grottos and cavers in this state. I cried a lot of sad/confused tears
>>> in the hospital, but a lot of happy tears after I saw the outpouring of
>>> support this community sent my way.  SO cool.
>>>
>>> It's been a rough, messy year, and there's a lot still to come. For
>>> example, the guy who hit me hasn't been convicted yet (due to endless court
>>> resets), and there will be several court dates coming up in the coming
>>> months, perhaps years, and for that reason I really don't want to put much
>>> about the details of my recovery on a public listserv.   However, when this
>>> whole situation is resolved, rest assured I will shout the happy events
>>> from the rooftops. Or maybe the top of some rope, in a pit. :) Regarding
>>> caving, it'll be some time before I'm in the shape I used to be in, but I
>>> am in a program called "Strength Unlimited" to try to work on some of the
>>> physical damage from the incident, and I'm pleased with it so far. The
>>> prognosis is WA more positive than it was last summer. :) I graduated
>>> rehab Dec. 19th, so I do have some physical therapy/emotional therapy to
>>> continue with, but the worst/biggest part is over. I hope to see many of
>>> you at the TSA convention this spring. Besides being thrilled to actually
>>> be able to make it, I'm especially excited for this convention because Rex,
>>> my partner in survival, will be attending! This will be his first caving
>>> gathering of any sort, and he's looking forward to seeing what I've been
>>> rambling on about for months. So please volunteer to speak if you've got
>>> cool content! I can guarantee at least two appreciative spectators. :)
>>>
>>> Often, I feel a lot like a boxer after they just got
>>> suckerpunched...confused, reeling, but ultimately just trying to get back
>>> on my feet and soldier on. And I want to thank all of y'all for helping me
>>> make that happen, and for reminding me who I was, and still am.
>>>
>>> Cavingly Yours,
>>>
>>> Mallory Mayeux
>>> GHG Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update on events of 2013

[Mallory Mayeux]

Charles,

Thanks for your kind words! I'll put together an awesome TSA Spring
Convention schedule for the speakers to prove that I'm back!

Mallory


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> We are just blessed that you are still with us and helping with the TSA :)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
>
>> Hello Texas Cavers!
>>
>> I am about to put out a call shortly for TSA convention speakers, but
>> since this listserv turned into "MalloryTex" temporarily for a couple of
>> months there last summer, I just wanted to kind of address my situation and
>> get it out of the way first. :)
>>
>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! For everything--all your caring, your support,
>> your interest, your patience, all the gifts/donations I recieved from
>> grottos and cavers in this state. I cried a lot of sad/confused tears in
>> the hospital, but a lot of happy tears after I saw the outpouring of
>> support this community sent my way.  SO cool.
>>
>> It's been a rough, messy year, and there's a lot still to come. For
>> example, the guy who hit me hasn't been convicted yet (due to endless court
>> resets), and there will be several court dates coming up in the coming
>> months, perhaps years, and for that reason I really don't want to put much
>> about the details of my recovery on a public listserv.   However, when this
>> whole situation is resolved, rest assured I will shout the happy events
>> from the rooftops. Or maybe the top of some rope, in a pit. :) Regarding
>> caving, it'll be some time before I'm in the shape I used to be in, but I
>> am in a program called "Strength Unlimited" to try to work on some of the
>> physical damage from the incident, and I'm pleased with it so far. The
>> prognosis is WA more positive than it was last summer. :) I graduated
>> rehab Dec. 19th, so I do have some physical therapy/emotional therapy to
>> continue with, but the worst/biggest part is over. I hope to see many of
>> you at the TSA convention this spring. Besides being thrilled to actually
>> be able to make it, I'm especially excited for this convention because Rex,
>> my partner in survival, will be attending! This will be his first caving
>> gathering of any sort, and he's looking forward to seeing what I've been
>> rambling on about for months. So please volunteer to speak if you've got
>> cool content! I can guarantee at least two appreciative spectators. :)
>>
>> Often, I feel a lot like a boxer after they just got
>> suckerpunched...confused, reeling, but ultimately just trying to get back
>> on my feet and soldier on. And I want to thank all of y'all for helping me
>> make that happen, and for reminding me who I was, and still am.
>>
>> Cavingly Yours,
>>
>> Mallory Mayeux
>> GHG Chair
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update on events of 2013

[Charles Goldsmith]

We are just blessed that you are still with us and helping with the TSA :)


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:

> Hello Texas Cavers!
>
> I am about to put out a call shortly for TSA convention speakers, but
> since this listserv turned into "MalloryTex" temporarily for a couple of
> months there last summer, I just wanted to kind of address my situation and
> get it out of the way first. :)
>
> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! For everything--all your caring, your support,
> your interest, your patience, all the gifts/donations I recieved from
> grottos and cavers in this state. I cried a lot of sad/confused tears in
> the hospital, but a lot of happy tears after I saw the outpouring of
> support this community sent my way.  SO cool.
>
> It's been a rough, messy year, and there's a lot still to come. For
> example, the guy who hit me hasn't been convicted yet (due to endless court
> resets), and there will be several court dates coming up in the coming
> months, perhaps years, and for that reason I really don't want to put much
> about the details of my recovery on a public listserv.   However, when this
> whole situation is resolved, rest assured I will shout the happy events
> from the rooftops. Or maybe the top of some rope, in a pit. :) Regarding
> caving, it'll be some time before I'm in the shape I used to be in, but I
> am in a program called "Strength Unlimited" to try to work on some of the
> physical damage from the incident, and I'm pleased with it so far. The
> prognosis is WA more positive than it was last summer. :) I graduated
> rehab Dec. 19th, so I do have some physical therapy/emotional therapy to
> continue with, but the worst/biggest part is over. I hope to see many of
> you at the TSA convention this spring. Besides being thrilled to actually
> be able to make it, I'm especially excited for this convention because Rex,
> my partner in survival, will be attending! This will be his first caving
> gathering of any sort, and he's looking forward to seeing what I've been
> rambling on about for months. So please volunteer to speak if you've got
> cool content! I can guarantee at least two appreciative spectators. :)
>
> Often, I feel a lot like a boxer after they just got
> suckerpunched...confused, reeling, but ultimately just trying to get back
> on my feet and soldier on. And I want to thank all of y'all for helping me
> make that happen, and for reminding me who I was, and still am.
>
> Cavingly Yours,
>
> Mallory Mayeux
> GHG Chair
>
>
>

[Texascavers] Update on events of 2013

[Mallory Mayeux]

Hello Texas Cavers!

I am about to put out a call shortly for TSA convention speakers, but since
this listserv turned into "MalloryTex" temporarily for a couple of months
there last summer, I just wanted to kind of address my situation and get it
out of the way first. :)

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! For everything--all your caring, your support,
your interest, your patience, all the gifts/donations I recieved from
grottos and cavers in this state. I cried a lot of sad/confused tears in
the hospital, but a lot of happy tears after I saw the outpouring of
support this community sent my way.  SO cool.

It's been a rough, messy year, and there's a lot still to come. For
example, the guy who hit me hasn't been convicted yet (due to endless court
resets), and there will be several court dates coming up in the coming
months, perhaps years, and for that reason I really don't want to put much
about the details of my recovery on a public listserv.   However, when this
whole situation is resolved, rest assured I will shout the happy events
from the rooftops. Or maybe the top of some rope, in a pit. :) Regarding
caving, it'll be some time before I'm in the shape I used to be in, but I
am in a program called "Strength Unlimited" to try to work on some of the
physical damage from the incident, and I'm pleased with it so far. The
prognosis is WA more positive than it was last summer. :) I graduated
rehab Dec. 19th, so I do have some physical therapy/emotional therapy to
continue with, but the worst/biggest part is over. I hope to see many of
you at the TSA convention this spring. Besides being thrilled to actually
be able to make it, I'm especially excited for this convention because Rex,
my partner in survival, will be attending! This will be his first caving
gathering of any sort, and he's looking forward to seeing what I've been
rambling on about for months. So please volunteer to speak if you've got
cool content! I can guarantee at least two appreciative spectators. :)

Often, I feel a lot like a boxer after they just got
suckerpunched...confused, reeling, but ultimately just trying to get back
on my feet and soldier on. And I want to thank all of y'all for helping me
make that happen, and for reminding me who I was, and still am.

Cavingly Yours,

Mallory Mayeux
GHG Chair

Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Gill Edigar]

Acceptably well. Thanks for asking.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Gary McDaniel  wrote:

> How's the pooping?
>
> -G
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:
>
> 3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell.
> For the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which
> included, of course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I
> liked very much for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks
> had passed I'd abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg
> ibuprofen. By Wednesday last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I
> took one at bedtime last night on account of being tired after futzing
> around most of the day and helping Galen with his bumper project--mostly
> doing design work. I still can't lay on my side without getting the feeling
> I'm overstressing something that's not quite ready to be stressed so I
> sleep on my back in the hospital bed adjusted with the head end a bit
> elevated. I normally never sleep on my back--except when taking a nap on
> the couch and want to wake up soon. Last Monday I walked 6 blocks to the
> CVS and back and Wednesday hiked about a half mile from Sao Paulo cafe to
> the Grotto (cave club) meeting and then back again after the meeting to the
> Posse for a cold beer, the first alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the
> fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer and hardly noticed it. Also, last
> Wednesday I got Galen to cut off the skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing
> since the 2012 NSS Convention. The last few days I've had but very little
> sensitivity to any kind of stress or movement. I can tell the ribs are
> still weak but they seem to be mending beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll
> be ready to get back to physical labor in 2 more weeks.
>
> --Ediger
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Gill Edigar]

Acceptably well. Thanks for asking.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Gary McDaniel  wrote:

> How's the pooping?
>
> -G
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:
>
> 3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell.
> For the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which
> included, of course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I
> liked very much for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks
> had passed I'd abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg
> ibuprofen. By Wednesday last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I
> took one at bedtime last night on account of being tired after futzing
> around most of the day and helping Galen with his bumper project--mostly
> doing design work. I still can't lay on my side without getting the feeling
> I'm overstressing something that's not quite ready to be stressed so I
> sleep on my back in the hospital bed adjusted with the head end a bit
> elevated. I normally never sleep on my back--except when taking a nap on
> the couch and want to wake up soon. Last Monday I walked 6 blocks to the
> CVS and back and Wednesday hiked about a half mile from Sao Paulo cafe to
> the Grotto (cave club) meeting and then back again after the meeting to the
> Posse for a cold beer, the first alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the
> fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer and hardly noticed it. Also, last
> Wednesday I got Galen to cut off the skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing
> since the 2012 NSS Convention. The last few days I've had but very little
> sensitivity to any kind of stress or movement. I can tell the ribs are
> still weak but they seem to be mending beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll
> be ready to get back to physical labor in 2 more weeks.
>
> --Ediger
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Julia Germany]

hehehehhehehe
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Gary McDaniel 
To: Gill Edigar 
Cc: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5



How's the pooping?

-G

On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:




3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell. For 
the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which included, of 
course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I liked very much 
for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks had passed I'd 
abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg ibuprofen. By Wednesday 
last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I took one at bedtime last night 
on account of being tired after futzing around most of the day and helping 
Galen with his bumper project--mostly doing design work. I still can't lay on 
my side without getting the feeling I'm overstressing something that's not 
quite ready to be stressed so I sleep on my back in the hospital bed adjusted 
with the head end a bit elevated. I normally never sleep on my back--except 
when taking a nap on the couch and want to wake up soon. Last Monday I walked 6 
blocks to the CVS and back and Wednesday hiked about a half mile from Sao Paulo 
cafe to the Grotto (cave club) meeting and then back again after the meeting to 
the Posse for a cold beer, the first alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the 
fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer and hardly noticed it. Also, last Wednesday 
I got Galen to cut off the skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing since the 2012 
NSS Convention. The last few days I've had but very little sensitivity to any 
kind of stress or movement. I can tell the ribs are still weak but they seem to 
be mending beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll be ready to get back to physical 
labor in 2 more weeks.
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Julia Germany]

hehehehhehehe
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Gary McDaniel 
To: Gill Edigar 
Cc: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5



How's the pooping?

-G

On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:




3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell. For 
the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which included, of 
course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I liked very much 
for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks had passed I'd 
abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg ibuprofen. By Wednesday 
last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I took one at bedtime last night 
on account of being tired after futzing around most of the day and helping 
Galen with his bumper project--mostly doing design work. I still can't lay on 
my side without getting the feeling I'm overstressing something that's not 
quite ready to be stressed so I sleep on my back in the hospital bed adjusted 
with the head end a bit elevated. I normally never sleep on my back--except 
when taking a nap on the couch and want to wake up soon. Last Monday I walked 6 
blocks to the CVS and back and Wednesday hiked about a half mile from Sao Paulo 
cafe to the Grotto (cave club) meeting and then back again after the meeting to 
the Posse for a cold beer, the first alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the 
fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer and hardly noticed it. Also, last Wednesday 
I got Galen to cut off the skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing since the 2012 
NSS Convention. The last few days I've had but very little sensitivity to any 
kind of stress or movement. I can tell the ribs are still weak but they seem to 
be mending beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll be ready to get back to physical 
labor in 2 more weeks.
--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Gary McDaniel]

How's the pooping?

-G

On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> 3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell. 
> For the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which 
> included, of course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I 
> liked very much for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks had 
> passed I'd abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg ibuprofen. By 
> Wednesday last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I took one at 
> bedtime last night on account of being tired after futzing around most of the 
> day and helping Galen with his bumper project--mostly doing design work. I 
> still can't lay on my side without getting the feeling I'm overstressing 
> something that's not quite ready to be stressed so I sleep on my back in the 
> hospital bed adjusted with the head end a bit elevated. I normally never 
> sleep on my back--except when taking a nap on the couch and want to wake up 
> soon. Last Monday I walked 6 blocks to the CVS and back and Wednesday hiked 
> about a half mile from Sao Paulo cafe to the Grotto (cave club) meeting and 
> then back again after the meeting to the Posse for a cold beer, the first 
> alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer 
> and hardly noticed it. Also, last Wednesday I got Galen to cut off the 
> skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing since the 2012 NSS Convention. The last 
> few days I've had but very little sensitivity to any kind of stress or 
> movement. I can tell the ribs are still weak but they seem to be mending 
> beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll be ready to get back to physical labor in 
> 2 more weeks.
> --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Gary McDaniel]

How's the pooping?

-G

On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:54 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> 3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell. 
> For the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which 
> included, of course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I 
> liked very much for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks had 
> passed I'd abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg ibuprofen. By 
> Wednesday last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I took one at 
> bedtime last night on account of being tired after futzing around most of the 
> day and helping Galen with his bumper project--mostly doing design work. I 
> still can't lay on my side without getting the feeling I'm overstressing 
> something that's not quite ready to be stressed so I sleep on my back in the 
> hospital bed adjusted with the head end a bit elevated. I normally never 
> sleep on my back--except when taking a nap on the couch and want to wake up 
> soon. Last Monday I walked 6 blocks to the CVS and back and Wednesday hiked 
> about a half mile from Sao Paulo cafe to the Grotto (cave club) meeting and 
> then back again after the meeting to the Posse for a cold beer, the first 
> alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer 
> and hardly noticed it. Also, last Wednesday I got Galen to cut off the 
> skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing since the 2012 NSS Convention. The last 
> few days I've had but very little sensitivity to any kind of stress or 
> movement. I can tell the ribs are still weak but they seem to be mending 
> beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll be ready to get back to physical labor in 
> 2 more weeks.
> --Ediger

[Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Gill Edigar]

3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell.
For the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which
included, of course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I
liked very much for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks
had passed I'd abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg
ibuprofen. By Wednesday last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I
took one at bedtime last night on account of being tired after futzing
around most of the day and helping Galen with his bumper project--mostly
doing design work. I still can't lay on my side without getting the feeling
I'm overstressing something that's not quite ready to be stressed so I
sleep on my back in the hospital bed adjusted with the head end a bit
elevated. I normally never sleep on my back--except when taking a nap on
the couch and want to wake up soon. Last Monday I walked 6 blocks to the
CVS and back and Wednesday hiked about a half mile from Sao Paulo cafe to
the Grotto (cave club) meeting and then back again after the meeting to the
Posse for a cold beer, the first alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the
fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer and hardly noticed it. Also, last
Wednesday I got Galen to cut off the skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing
since the 2012 NSS Convention. The last few days I've had but very little
sensitivity to any kind of stress or movement. I can tell the ribs are
still weak but they seem to be mending beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll
be ready to get back to physical labor in 2 more weeks.

--Ediger

[Texascavers] Update ver 3.5

[Gill Edigar]

3-1/2 week update (24 Aug 2013). Last Wednesday made 3 weeks since I fell.
For the most part there was not much pain after the first week--which
included, of course, some high-powered prescription drugs, none of which I
liked very much for their many negative side effects. By the time 3 weeks
had passed I'd abandoned the scripts and was just taking OTC 200mg
ibuprofen. By Wednesday last I'd also abandoned those, as well, except I
took one at bedtime last night on account of being tired after futzing
around most of the day and helping Galen with his bumper project--mostly
doing design work. I still can't lay on my side without getting the feeling
I'm overstressing something that's not quite ready to be stressed so I
sleep on my back in the hospital bed adjusted with the head end a bit
elevated. I normally never sleep on my back--except when taking a nap on
the couch and want to wake up soon. Last Monday I walked 6 blocks to the
CVS and back and Wednesday hiked about a half mile from Sao Paulo cafe to
the Grotto (cave club) meeting and then back again after the meeting to the
Posse for a cold beer, the first alcohol of any kind I'd drunk since the
fall. Yesterday I had a Ranger beer and hardly noticed it. Also, last
Wednesday I got Galen to cut off the skraggly-ass hair I'd been growing
since the 2012 NSS Convention. The last few days I've had but very little
sensitivity to any kind of stress or movement. I can tell the ribs are
still weak but they seem to be mending beyond my expectations. Maybe I'll
be ready to get back to physical labor in 2 more weeks.

--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Update 3

[Ted Samsel]

Don't laugh, either.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, James Jasek  wrote:

> Gill,
>
> Just wait until you sneeze as it makes a coughing seem like nothing.
>
> Jim
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:
>
> August 8 
> ** 
>  Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my
> progress has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and pops as
> ribs and bones and cartilage move back into place and smaller, localized
> pains go away as the result of it. I was able to lay on my side for the
> first time in a week last night. According to the advice-givers that should
> have taken several weeks, not just one. I have always been a fast healer
> and am hoping the trend continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding
> my left scapula is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a
> useful, consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out
> of my 10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious pain.
> If I make as much progress in the next week as I made in the last I'll
> become a contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to all who've
> visited, brought food, given advice, wished me well, and made smart-assed
> comments. I should have been keeping a Log Book.
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update 3

[Ted Samsel]

Don't laugh, either.


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM, James Jasek  wrote:

> Gill,
>
> Just wait until you sneeze as it makes a coughing seem like nothing.
>
> Jim
>
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:
>
> August 8 
> ** 
>  Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my
> progress has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and pops as
> ribs and bones and cartilage move back into place and smaller, localized
> pains go away as the result of it. I was able to lay on my side for the
> first time in a week last night. According to the advice-givers that should
> have taken several weeks, not just one. I have always been a fast healer
> and am hoping the trend continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding
> my left scapula is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a
> useful, consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out
> of my 10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious pain.
> If I make as much progress in the next week as I made in the last I'll
> become a contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to all who've
> visited, brought food, given advice, wished me well, and made smart-assed
> comments. I should have been keeping a Log Book.
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update 4

[Julia Germany]

 


Jalapeno, brother

 Since this is a caving accident report (to date in 4 posts), inquiring minds 
want to know what caving gear you were wearing/utilizing at the time of the 
in-cave accident?

How close were you to the drop while wearing your cave gear?

If didn't have on a helmut, why not? Gotta teach the youngin's proper caving 
techniques.

Congratulations on not caving alone and having folks at the ready to call 911.

Now you and Mal can exchange stories about your BMs after a serious accident.

I saved all of these (and her) reposts of reports and deeply appreciate them,
and can't wait to put the compilations together for y'all's reading pleasure.

Seriously, I am really glad you are safe and healing quickly. You don't get out 
of that trip out west
with me this easily.

Tho you have a fantastic cadre of caregivers, please don't hesitate to contact
me if you need anything. I live and work in North Austin near 290 and 35.

gentle hugs and mushy kisses!
julia


 



 

-Original Message-
From: Gill Edigar 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Tue, Aug 13, 2013 1:27 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Update 4


Posted this to fb today:


UPDATE some more: 
Tomorrow will be 2 weeks. I went to my personal doc last Tuesday. I had 
improved maybe 80% (I thought) from the day I fell. The ER had sent her all the 
reports so we discussed them. I went home; Crystal drove both ways. I had not 
had a BM in a week so laxatives were tried without success. In addition to 
spells and potions nothing seemed to work until the enema was tried. It worked. 
And worked again. That changed my attitude several hundred percent. My most 
recent response to questions about how I'm doing is that I feel about 96% 
better--or 67% if the drugs are not considered. I have on a couple of occasion 
forgotten a dose and felt bad for it--both physically and mentally bad. I think 
most of the ribs and muscles have moved back into positions relative to their 
normal positions of function but are waiting to heal themselves more better. I 
changed drugs on Sunday and feel they are a lot more friendly although they're 
a little too strong to allow me to drive a car (unless it's somebody else's 
car). There have been many and much appreciated visitors and bearers of food. I 
have not been able to eat it all. A bowl of Thai Yellow Curry was eaten with 
mucho gusto. Yesterday (or Sunday evening) I began to feel enthusiastic about 
cooking again. I think the enema had something to do with it. 
   In general, I think most of the minor damage has healed or is in the final 
stages of healing. The more severely fractured, smashed, and broken parts are 
slowly mending themselves but, as all warnings have mentioned, ribs take a long 
time to heal. I can now take full breaths and can cough fairly normally, up to 
an 80% or so range. I haven't really had to have a hard cough yet--say 
Jalapeno, brother. Just walking produces some minor interior pain on the left 
rear quarter to remind me to take it easy. Otherwise, if I sit still, I'm 
unaware that anything ever happened. I just noticed that the pain pills I'm 
taking are the same ones prescribed for my 15-pound weenie dog. I'm gonna 
recommend she doesn't drive either.

Re: [Texascavers] Update 4

[Julia Germany]

 


Jalapeno, brother

 Since this is a caving accident report (to date in 4 posts), inquiring minds 
want to know what caving gear you were wearing/utilizing at the time of the 
in-cave accident?

How close were you to the drop while wearing your cave gear?

If didn't have on a helmut, why not? Gotta teach the youngin's proper caving 
techniques.

Congratulations on not caving alone and having folks at the ready to call 911.

Now you and Mal can exchange stories about your BMs after a serious accident.

I saved all of these (and her) reposts of reports and deeply appreciate them,
and can't wait to put the compilations together for y'all's reading pleasure.

Seriously, I am really glad you are safe and healing quickly. You don't get out 
of that trip out west
with me this easily.

Tho you have a fantastic cadre of caregivers, please don't hesitate to contact
me if you need anything. I live and work in North Austin near 290 and 35.

gentle hugs and mushy kisses!
julia


 



 

-Original Message-
From: Gill Edigar 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Tue, Aug 13, 2013 1:27 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Update 4


Posted this to fb today:


UPDATE some more: 
Tomorrow will be 2 weeks. I went to my personal doc last Tuesday. I had 
improved maybe 80% (I thought) from the day I fell. The ER had sent her all the 
reports so we discussed them. I went home; Crystal drove both ways. I had not 
had a BM in a week so laxatives were tried without success. In addition to 
spells and potions nothing seemed to work until the enema was tried. It worked. 
And worked again. That changed my attitude several hundred percent. My most 
recent response to questions about how I'm doing is that I feel about 96% 
better--or 67% if the drugs are not considered. I have on a couple of occasion 
forgotten a dose and felt bad for it--both physically and mentally bad. I think 
most of the ribs and muscles have moved back into positions relative to their 
normal positions of function but are waiting to heal themselves more better. I 
changed drugs on Sunday and feel they are a lot more friendly although they're 
a little too strong to allow me to drive a car (unless it's somebody else's 
car). There have been many and much appreciated visitors and bearers of food. I 
have not been able to eat it all. A bowl of Thai Yellow Curry was eaten with 
mucho gusto. Yesterday (or Sunday evening) I began to feel enthusiastic about 
cooking again. I think the enema had something to do with it. 
   In general, I think most of the minor damage has healed or is in the final 
stages of healing. The more severely fractured, smashed, and broken parts are 
slowly mending themselves but, as all warnings have mentioned, ribs take a long 
time to heal. I can now take full breaths and can cough fairly normally, up to 
an 80% or so range. I haven't really had to have a hard cough yet--say 
Jalapeno, brother. Just walking produces some minor interior pain on the left 
rear quarter to remind me to take it easy. Otherwise, if I sit still, I'm 
unaware that anything ever happened. I just noticed that the pain pills I'm 
taking are the same ones prescribed for my 15-pound weenie dog. I'm gonna 
recommend she doesn't drive either.

Re: [Texascavers] Update 3

[James Jasek]

Gill,

Just wait until you sneeze as it makes a coughing seem like nothing.

Jim
On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:


August 8
Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my  
progress has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and  
pops as ribs and bones and cartilage move back into place and  
smaller, localized pains go away as the result of it. I was able to  
lay on my side for the first time in a week last night. According to  
the advice-givers that should have taken several weeks, not just  
one. I have always been a fast healer and am hoping the trend  
continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding my left scapula  
is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a useful,  
consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out of  
my 10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious  
pain. If I make as much progress in the next week as I made in the  
last I'll become a contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to  
all who've visited, brought food, given advice, wished me well, and  
made smart-assed comments. I should have been keeping a Log Book.

Re: [Texascavers] Update 3

[James Jasek]

Gill,

Just wait until you sneeze as it makes a coughing seem like nothing.

Jim
On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:


August 8
Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my  
progress has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and  
pops as ribs and bones and cartilage move back into place and  
smaller, localized pains go away as the result of it. I was able to  
lay on my side for the first time in a week last night. According to  
the advice-givers that should have taken several weeks, not just  
one. I have always been a fast healer and am hoping the trend  
continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding my left scapula  
is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a useful,  
consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out of  
my 10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious  
pain. If I make as much progress in the next week as I made in the  
last I'll become a contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to  
all who've visited, brought food, given advice, wished me well, and  
made smart-assed comments. I should have been keeping a Log Book.

[Texascavers] Update 4

[Gill Edigar]

Posted this to fb today:

UPDATE some more:
Tomorrow will be 2 weeks. I went to my personal doc last Tuesday. I had
improved maybe 80% (I thought) from the day I fell. The ER had sent her all
the reports so we discussed them. I went home; Crystal drove both ways. I
had not had a BM in a week so laxatives were tried without success. In
addition to spells and potions nothing seemed to work until the enema was
tried. It worked. And worked again. That changed my attitude several
hundred percent. My most recent response to questions about how I'm doing
is that I feel about 96% better--or 67% if the drugs are not considered. I
have on a couple of occasion forgotten a dose and felt bad for it--both
physically and mentally bad. I think most of the ribs and muscles have
moved back into positions relative to their normal positions of function
but are waiting to heal themselves more better. I changed drugs on Sunday
and feel they are a lot more friendly although they're a little too strong
to allow me to drive a car (unless it's somebody else's car). There have
been many and much appreciated visitors and bearers of food. I have not
been able to eat it all. A bowl of Thai Yellow Curry was eaten with mucho
gusto. Yesterday (or Sunday evening) I began to feel enthusiastic about
cooking again. I think the enema had something to do with it.
   In general, I think most of the minor damage has healed or is in the
final stages of healing. The more severely fractured, smashed, and broken
parts are slowly mending themselves but, as all warnings have mentioned,
ribs take a long time to heal. I can now take full breaths and can cough
fairly normally, up to an 80% or so range. I haven't really had to have a
hard cough yet--say Jalapeno, brother. Just walking produces some minor
interior pain on the left rear quarter to remind me to take it easy.
Otherwise, if I sit still, I'm unaware that anything ever happened. I just
noticed that the pain pills I'm taking are the same ones prescribed for my
15-pound weenie dog. I'm gonna recommend she doesn't drive either.

[Texascavers] Update 4

[Gill Edigar]

Posted this to fb today:

UPDATE some more:
Tomorrow will be 2 weeks. I went to my personal doc last Tuesday. I had
improved maybe 80% (I thought) from the day I fell. The ER had sent her all
the reports so we discussed them. I went home; Crystal drove both ways. I
had not had a BM in a week so laxatives were tried without success. In
addition to spells and potions nothing seemed to work until the enema was
tried. It worked. And worked again. That changed my attitude several
hundred percent. My most recent response to questions about how I'm doing
is that I feel about 96% better--or 67% if the drugs are not considered. I
have on a couple of occasion forgotten a dose and felt bad for it--both
physically and mentally bad. I think most of the ribs and muscles have
moved back into positions relative to their normal positions of function
but are waiting to heal themselves more better. I changed drugs on Sunday
and feel they are a lot more friendly although they're a little too strong
to allow me to drive a car (unless it's somebody else's car). There have
been many and much appreciated visitors and bearers of food. I have not
been able to eat it all. A bowl of Thai Yellow Curry was eaten with mucho
gusto. Yesterday (or Sunday evening) I began to feel enthusiastic about
cooking again. I think the enema had something to do with it.
   In general, I think most of the minor damage has healed or is in the
final stages of healing. The more severely fractured, smashed, and broken
parts are slowly mending themselves but, as all warnings have mentioned,
ribs take a long time to heal. I can now take full breaths and can cough
fairly normally, up to an 80% or so range. I haven't really had to have a
hard cough yet--say Jalapeno, brother. Just walking produces some minor
interior pain on the left rear quarter to remind me to take it easy.
Otherwise, if I sit still, I'm unaware that anything ever happened. I just
noticed that the pain pills I'm taking are the same ones prescribed for my
15-pound weenie dog. I'm gonna recommend she doesn't drive either.

[Texascavers] Update 3

[Gill Edigar]

August 8 
** 
Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my progress
has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and pops as ribs and
bones and cartilage move back into place and smaller, localized pains go
away as the result of it. I was able to lay on my side for the first time
in a week last night. According to the advice-givers that should have taken
several weeks, not just one. I have always been a fast healer and am hoping
the trend continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding my left
scapula is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a useful,
consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out of my
10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious pain. If I
make as much progress in the next week as I made in the last I'll become a
contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to all who've visited,
brought food, given advice, wished me well, and made smart-assed comments.
I should have been keeping a Log Book.

[Texascavers] Update 3

[Gill Edigar]

August 8 
** 
Wednesday after lunch made an even week since the fall. I think my progress
has been exceptional. I keep hearing snaps, crackles and pops as ribs and
bones and cartilage move back into place and smaller, localized pains go
away as the result of it. I was able to lay on my side for the first time
in a week last night. According to the advice-givers that should have taken
several weeks, not just one. I have always been a fast healer and am hoping
the trend continues. The Shoulder Steak that was surrounding my left
scapula is returning from its former state as hamburger meat to a useful,
consolidated muscle again. It is what took most of the energy out of my
10-foot fall. I can actually cough (gently) now without serious pain. If I
make as much progress in the next week as I made in the last I'll become a
contortionist in the circus. And thanks again to all who've visited,
brought food, given advice, wished me well, and made smart-assed comments.
I should have been keeping a Log Book.

[Texascavers] Update 2

[Gill Edigar]

This is from 5 August, I think, from fb ->
August 5 
** 
UPDATE: I'm a terrible pill-taker. I forgot to take pain meds last evening.
Sketchy sleeping all night anyway--not really in any pain unless I
moved--even then it was minor. Woke up this morning in a funk. Still forgot
about pills. Was reminded of pills--oh yeah-duh--so took some. Ate food.
Drank water and coffee. Snapped out of it. One of the little joys of this
business is the occasional snap and pop of a displaced part moving back to
the spot where it's supposed to be and the subsequent diminishment of the
pain it was causing when I moved. My 'main pain' did that this morning.
Transitioning up and down from a laying/sitting/standing position was done
with much fear and loathing of the great and momentarily severe pain that
developed if not done just right. This morning all that seemed decreased by
about 90%--a major contribution to better attitude. Also, less pain with
deep breaths and the few minor coughs I've had. I call it all progress. Now
that the drugs have kicked in so has the drowsiness so my emails may turn
to more gibberish than normal. I have an appointment with my regular doc
tomorrow morning to familiarize her--Sara--with the trials and tribulations
of the past few daze and to see what we need to do to carry on.

--Ediger

[Texascavers] Update 2

[Gill Edigar]

This is from 5 August, I think, from fb ->
August 5 
** 
UPDATE: I'm a terrible pill-taker. I forgot to take pain meds last evening.
Sketchy sleeping all night anyway--not really in any pain unless I
moved--even then it was minor. Woke up this morning in a funk. Still forgot
about pills. Was reminded of pills--oh yeah-duh--so took some. Ate food.
Drank water and coffee. Snapped out of it. One of the little joys of this
business is the occasional snap and pop of a displaced part moving back to
the spot where it's supposed to be and the subsequent diminishment of the
pain it was causing when I moved. My 'main pain' did that this morning.
Transitioning up and down from a laying/sitting/standing position was done
with much fear and loathing of the great and momentarily severe pain that
developed if not done just right. This morning all that seemed decreased by
about 90%--a major contribution to better attitude. Also, less pain with
deep breaths and the few minor coughs I've had. I call it all progress. Now
that the drugs have kicked in so has the drowsiness so my emails may turn
to more gibberish than normal. I have an appointment with my regular doc
tomorrow morning to familiarize her--Sara--with the trials and tribulations
of the past few daze and to see what we need to do to carry on.

--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Update on Mallory

[Linda Palit]

Thanks.Em

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Emily McGowan wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks to Krista Keen for this update, posted on Facebook this morning:
>
> Update from Steve (her Daddy): "As of 8:30 this morning, Mallory is
> showing signs of life. She responds to poking and prodding, and has opened
> her eyes, moved her fingers and hands, and moves her tongue in an attempt
> to get the feeding tube out of her throat. She’s not awake, but her brain
> is operating and now that the paralytics are gone, she can move a little.
> She is still on a strong dose of sedative, as they do not want her coming
> around too fast. (The stuff she’s on is propofol, same as what killed
> Michael Jackson. It’s one of those “do not try this at home” deals.) On the
> negative side, she has a slight case of pneumonia, and that’s being treated
> with antibiotics. There’s also a few other problems, but nothing
> spectacular. All in all, it’s an improvement. The doctors don’t want us
> getting too optimistic, but Vickie and I are celebrating. It’s been a long
> ten days, and we need this."
>
> Emily
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update on Mallory

[Linda Palit]

Thanks.Em

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Emily McGowan wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks to Krista Keen for this update, posted on Facebook this morning:
>
> Update from Steve (her Daddy): "As of 8:30 this morning, Mallory is
> showing signs of life. She responds to poking and prodding, and has opened
> her eyes, moved her fingers and hands, and moves her tongue in an attempt
> to get the feeding tube out of her throat. She’s not awake, but her brain
> is operating and now that the paralytics are gone, she can move a little.
> She is still on a strong dose of sedative, as they do not want her coming
> around too fast. (The stuff she’s on is propofol, same as what killed
> Michael Jackson. It’s one of those “do not try this at home” deals.) On the
> negative side, she has a slight case of pneumonia, and that’s being treated
> with antibiotics. There’s also a few other problems, but nothing
> spectacular. All in all, it’s an improvement. The doctors don’t want us
> getting too optimistic, but Vickie and I are celebrating. It’s been a long
> ten days, and we need this."
>
> Emily
>

Re: [Texascavers] Update on Mallory

[Linda Palit]

Thanks.Em

On Wednesday, July 24, 2013, Emily McGowan wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks to Krista Keen for this update, posted on Facebook this morning:
>
> Update from Steve (her Daddy): "As of 8:30 this morning, Mallory is
> showing signs of life. She responds to poking and prodding, and has opened
> her eyes, moved her fingers and hands, and moves her tongue in an attempt
> to get the feeding tube out of her throat. She’s not awake, but her brain
> is operating and now that the paralytics are gone, she can move a little.
> She is still on a strong dose of sedative, as they do not want her coming
> around too fast. (The stuff she’s on is propofol, same as what killed
> Michael Jackson. It’s one of those “do not try this at home” deals.) On the
> negative side, she has a slight case of pneumonia, and that’s being treated
> with antibiotics. There’s also a few other problems, but nothing
> spectacular. All in all, it’s an improvement. The doctors don’t want us
> getting too optimistic, but Vickie and I are celebrating. It’s been a long
> ten days, and we need this."
>
> Emily
>

[Texascavers] Update on Mallory

[Emily McGowan]

Thanks to Krista Keen for this update, posted on Facebook this morning:

Update from Steve (her Daddy): "As of 8:30 this morning, Mallory is showing
signs of life. She responds to poking and prodding, and has opened her eyes,
moved her fingers and hands, and moves her tongue in an attempt to get the
feeding tube out of her throat. She's not awake, but her brain is operating
and now that the paralytics are gone, she can move a little. She is still on
a strong dose of sedative, as they do not want her coming around too fast.
(The stuff she's on is propofol, same as what killed Michael Jackson. It's
one of those "do not try this at home" deals.) On the negative side, she has
a slight case of pneumonia, and that's being treated with antibiotics.
There's also a few other problems, but nothing spectacular. All in all, it's
an improvement. The doctors don't want us getting too optimistic, but Vickie
and I are celebrating. It's been a long ten days, and we need this."

Emily

[Texascavers] Update on Mallory

[Emily McGowan]

Thanks to Krista Keen for this update, posted on Facebook this morning:

Update from Steve (her Daddy): "As of 8:30 this morning, Mallory is showing
signs of life. She responds to poking and prodding, and has opened her eyes,
moved her fingers and hands, and moves her tongue in an attempt to get the
feeding tube out of her throat. She's not awake, but her brain is operating
and now that the paralytics are gone, she can move a little. She is still on
a strong dose of sedative, as they do not want her coming around too fast.
(The stuff she's on is propofol, same as what killed Michael Jackson. It's
one of those "do not try this at home" deals.) On the negative side, she has
a slight case of pneumonia, and that's being treated with antibiotics.
There's also a few other problems, but nothing spectacular. All in all, it's
an improvement. The doctors don't want us getting too optimistic, but Vickie
and I are celebrating. It's been a long ten days, and we need this."

Emily

[Texascavers] Update on Mallory

[Emily McGowan]

Thanks to Krista Keen for this update, posted on Facebook this morning:

Update from Steve (her Daddy): "As of 8:30 this morning, Mallory is showing
signs of life. She responds to poking and prodding, and has opened her eyes,
moved her fingers and hands, and moves her tongue in an attempt to get the
feeding tube out of her throat. She's not awake, but her brain is operating
and now that the paralytics are gone, she can move a little. She is still on
a strong dose of sedative, as they do not want her coming around too fast.
(The stuff she's on is propofol, same as what killed Michael Jackson. It's
one of those "do not try this at home" deals.) On the negative side, she has
a slight case of pneumonia, and that's being treated with antibiotics.
There's also a few other problems, but nothing spectacular. All in all, it's
an improvement. The doctors don't want us getting too optimistic, but Vickie
and I are celebrating. It's been a long ten days, and we need this."

Emily

Re: [Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, Vickie Mayeux

[caverarch]

Mimi,


I do not know his name or other details, I'm afraid. It's possible that someone 
else on the lists knows more than I so I am forwarding your question.


Roger 



-Original Message-
From: Mimi Jasek 
To: caverarch 
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her 
mother, Vickie Mayeux



Thanks, Roger. We continue to pray, and ask others to join us, outside the 
caver community for Mallory's recovery. The whole family needs all our support.


Do you have any information on how her friend is doing? They were leaving a 
wedding reception? Have seen nothing more about him. Would like to give a name 
to his prayer requests.


Pass our continuing support on to the family. 


Mimi Jasek

Re: [Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, Vickie Mayeux

[caverarch]

Mimi,


I do not know his name or other details, I'm afraid. It's possible that someone 
else on the lists knows more than I so I am forwarding your question.


Roger 



-Original Message-
From: Mimi Jasek 
To: caverarch 
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her 
mother, Vickie Mayeux



Thanks, Roger. We continue to pray, and ask others to join us, outside the 
caver community for Mallory's recovery. The whole family needs all our support.


Do you have any information on how her friend is doing? They were leaving a 
wedding reception? Have seen nothing more about him. Would like to give a name 
to his prayer requests.


Pass our continuing support on to the family. 


Mimi Jasek

Re: [Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, Vickie Mayeux

[caverarch]

Mimi,


I do not know his name or other details, I'm afraid. It's possible that someone 
else on the lists knows more than I so I am forwarding your question.


Roger 



-Original Message-
From: Mimi Jasek 
To: caverarch 
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her 
mother, Vickie Mayeux



Thanks, Roger. We continue to pray, and ask others to join us, outside the 
caver community for Mallory's recovery. The whole family needs all our support.


Do you have any information on how her friend is doing? They were leaving a 
wedding reception? Have seen nothing more about him. Would like to give a name 
to his prayer requests.


Pass our continuing support on to the family. 


Mimi Jasek

[Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, Vickie Mayeux

[caverarch]

Following is an update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, 
Vickie Mayeux. The short summary is that while her condition requires constant 
adjustment, there are thankful signs of improvement. And good news such as that 
her lungs remain clear, with no signs of pneumonia. Caver are united in sending 
our love to the family, and we hope to hear of continued improvement.

Roger

Hi Everyone,

Today was better. Generally, her pressure stayed OK longer before needing 
intervention. This morning they took her off sedation for as long as they could 
and they did get an arm twitch and she was breathing on her own some. 
Yesterday, they got no response, so this is an improvement. Her heartbeat got 
too low so they gave medicine to raise it, but that caused her brain pressure 
to go up so they adjusted things again. Truthfully, all day long they are 
constantly adding and subtracting medicines, draining fluid occasionally, and 
checking all sorts of things I would have never thought of. At least she is 
tolerating the interventions and they are able to keep the pressure at an OK 
level. 

They still have her body temperature at 92 degrees. There is a problem with the 
feeding tube. They will probably have to remove and replace it. This will 
aggravate her body and will probably raise brain pressure that will have to be 
dealt with. If they don’t do this tonight, they will tomorrow. We are still in 
the peak swelling time, so we just have to be patient, no matter how hard it 
is. Her lungs are clear which is good - don’t want pneumonia to develop. 

Today was much calmer and things seemed more stable even with the constant 
changes. The nurse, doctors, and everyone else are phenomenal. She is in the 
right place. Her coworkers have been great. I am glad we did the stem cell 
research. Hopefully, it will help her, but they have already helped me. They 
are so many research people monitoring, talking to us, answering questions, and 
giving advice. The head of the project gives me so much time, and won’t leave 
until I actually thank him and send him off. When he realized there was a news 
video, he looked it up. These people are very professional and smart, well 
trained.

I am so grateful to all of you for all your prayers and spreading the news. I 
know there are many people you have asked to pray for Mallory. She needs every 
prayer she can get. We have a long way to go.

Love you all, Vickie

[Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, Vickie Mayeux

[caverarch]

Following is an update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, 
Vickie Mayeux. The short summary is that while her condition requires constant 
adjustment, there are thankful signs of improvement. And good news such as that 
her lungs remain clear, with no signs of pneumonia. Caver are united in sending 
our love to the family, and we hope to hear of continued improvement.

Roger

Hi Everyone,

Today was better. Generally, her pressure stayed OK longer before needing 
intervention. This morning they took her off sedation for as long as they could 
and they did get an arm twitch and she was breathing on her own some. 
Yesterday, they got no response, so this is an improvement. Her heartbeat got 
too low so they gave medicine to raise it, but that caused her brain pressure 
to go up so they adjusted things again. Truthfully, all day long they are 
constantly adding and subtracting medicines, draining fluid occasionally, and 
checking all sorts of things I would have never thought of. At least she is 
tolerating the interventions and they are able to keep the pressure at an OK 
level. 

They still have her body temperature at 92 degrees. There is a problem with the 
feeding tube. They will probably have to remove and replace it. This will 
aggravate her body and will probably raise brain pressure that will have to be 
dealt with. If they don’t do this tonight, they will tomorrow. We are still in 
the peak swelling time, so we just have to be patient, no matter how hard it 
is. Her lungs are clear which is good - don’t want pneumonia to develop. 

Today was much calmer and things seemed more stable even with the constant 
changes. The nurse, doctors, and everyone else are phenomenal. She is in the 
right place. Her coworkers have been great. I am glad we did the stem cell 
research. Hopefully, it will help her, but they have already helped me. They 
are so many research people monitoring, talking to us, answering questions, and 
giving advice. The head of the project gives me so much time, and won’t leave 
until I actually thank him and send him off. When he realized there was a news 
video, he looked it up. These people are very professional and smart, well 
trained.

I am so grateful to all of you for all your prayers and spreading the news. I 
know there are many people you have asked to pray for Mallory. She needs every 
prayer she can get. We have a long way to go.

Love you all, Vickie

[Texascavers] Update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, Vickie Mayeux

[caverarch]

Following is an update on the condition of Mallory Mayeux from her mother, 
Vickie Mayeux. The short summary is that while her condition requires constant 
adjustment, there are thankful signs of improvement. And good news such as that 
her lungs remain clear, with no signs of pneumonia. Caver are united in sending 
our love to the family, and we hope to hear of continued improvement.

Roger

Hi Everyone,

Today was better. Generally, her pressure stayed OK longer before needing 
intervention. This morning they took her off sedation for as long as they could 
and they did get an arm twitch and she was breathing on her own some. 
Yesterday, they got no response, so this is an improvement. Her heartbeat got 
too low so they gave medicine to raise it, but that caused her brain pressure 
to go up so they adjusted things again. Truthfully, all day long they are 
constantly adding and subtracting medicines, draining fluid occasionally, and 
checking all sorts of things I would have never thought of. At least she is 
tolerating the interventions and they are able to keep the pressure at an OK 
level. 

They still have her body temperature at 92 degrees. There is a problem with the 
feeding tube. They will probably have to remove and replace it. This will 
aggravate her body and will probably raise brain pressure that will have to be 
dealt with. If they don’t do this tonight, they will tomorrow. We are still in 
the peak swelling time, so we just have to be patient, no matter how hard it 
is. Her lungs are clear which is good - don’t want pneumonia to develop. 

Today was much calmer and things seemed more stable even with the constant 
changes. The nurse, doctors, and everyone else are phenomenal. She is in the 
right place. Her coworkers have been great. I am glad we did the stem cell 
research. Hopefully, it will help her, but they have already helped me. They 
are so many research people monitoring, talking to us, answering questions, and 
giving advice. The head of the project gives me so much time, and won’t leave 
until I actually thank him and send him off. When he realized there was a news 
video, he looked it up. These people are very professional and smart, well 
trained.

I am so grateful to all of you for all your prayers and spreading the news. I 
know there are many people you have asked to pray for Mallory. She needs every 
prayer she can get. We have a long way to go.

Love you all, Vickie

[Texascavers] update

[Karen Perry]

Here's the updated 
scoop...
I was scheduled to have surgery on the right knee 
again, # 3, on this Thursday. OWCP Dept of Labor did not approve pending more 
information. That request led to me having a bone scan that came 
out with bad results. The surgery is now slated for the 23rd, next 
Thursday. It may be a simple fix, but the doc, radiologist & I are 
expecting for the not good version. That means everything that was done 
last summer has to come out and be replaced. The scan also showed 
infection in the prosthetic which can/may effect the heart and kidneys. 


The dr. says I only have a 6 month window at getting this fixed before I either 
become handicapped or end up having to possibility loose the leg. This is 
only a brief description of what I may be facing. I ask  for prayers... Not 
only for me but to guide the 
doctor so I can FINALLY get this damned knee fixed! If any one can 
plan on coming down Carlsbad way or that is local during the recovery period,  
IF it is 
going to be long, and help with my Mom I would greatly appreciated that. She is 
not able to drive and we do have doctor appointments lined up 
for her, not to mention the daily needs that will need looking after. Gosia, 
Jenny & Emily are already on line to help but I may be in need of more help. 
That is yet to be seen. I 
can not stress how serious this is..
There is a possibility the knee could kill me. I am not being an alarmist here, 
only realistic based on Dr report.

And just think all this because of  a bad supervisor out at the park who 
did not want to take action at the time or do her job!
YES I am now getting VERY ANGRY!
Karen

[Texascavers] update

[Karen Perry]

Here's the updated 
scoop...
I was scheduled to have surgery on the right knee 
again, # 3, on this Thursday. OWCP Dept of Labor did not approve pending more 
information. That request led to me having a bone scan that came 
out with bad results. The surgery is now slated for the 23rd, next 
Thursday. It may be a simple fix, but the doc, radiologist & I are 
expecting for the not good version. That means everything that was done 
last summer has to come out and be replaced. The scan also showed 
infection in the prosthetic which can/may effect the heart and kidneys. 


The dr. says I only have a 6 month window at getting this fixed before I either 
become handicapped or end up having to possibility loose the leg. This is 
only a brief description of what I may be facing. I ask  for prayers... Not 
only for me but to guide the 
doctor so I can FINALLY get this damned knee fixed! If any one can 
plan on coming down Carlsbad way or that is local during the recovery period,  
IF it is 
going to be long, and help with my Mom I would greatly appreciated that. She is 
not able to drive and we do have doctor appointments lined up 
for her, not to mention the daily needs that will need looking after. Gosia, 
Jenny & Emily are already on line to help but I may be in need of more help. 
That is yet to be seen. I 
can not stress how serious this is..
There is a possibility the knee could kill me. I am not being an alarmist here, 
only realistic based on Dr report.

And just think all this because of  a bad supervisor out at the park who 
did not want to take action at the time or do her job!
YES I am now getting VERY ANGRY!
Karen

[Texascavers] update

[Karen Perry]

Here's the updated 
scoop...
I was scheduled to have surgery on the right knee 
again, # 3, on this Thursday. OWCP Dept of Labor did not approve pending more 
information. That request led to me having a bone scan that came 
out with bad results. The surgery is now slated for the 23rd, next 
Thursday. It may be a simple fix, but the doc, radiologist & I are 
expecting for the not good version. That means everything that was done 
last summer has to come out and be replaced. The scan also showed 
infection in the prosthetic which can/may effect the heart and kidneys. 


The dr. says I only have a 6 month window at getting this fixed before I either 
become handicapped or end up having to possibility loose the leg. This is 
only a brief description of what I may be facing. I ask  for prayers... Not 
only for me but to guide the 
doctor so I can FINALLY get this damned knee fixed! If any one can 
plan on coming down Carlsbad way or that is local during the recovery period,  
IF it is 
going to be long, and help with my Mom I would greatly appreciated that. She is 
not able to drive and we do have doctor appointments lined up 
for her, not to mention the daily needs that will need looking after. Gosia, 
Jenny & Emily are already on line to help but I may be in need of more help. 
That is yet to be seen. I 
can not stress how serious this is..
There is a possibility the knee could kill me. I am not being an alarmist here, 
only realistic based on Dr report.

And just think all this because of  a bad supervisor out at the park who 
did not want to take action at the time or do her job!
YES I am now getting VERY ANGRY!
Karen

[Texascavers] Update of British expedition to Sistema Huautla

[Speleosteele]

This was just posted on the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition Facebook  page:
 
Earlier this week the dive team returned from  beyond the sump after 
spending one week camping and exploring. After compiling  survey data we can 
report that Sistema Huautla is now 1,545m deep. Sump 9 was  pushed to a length 
of 
410m and depth of 81m on the final dive. In addition to  this 1,774m of new 
dry passage was surveyed although no bypass to Sump 9 could  be located. 
This makes the total extra survey length 2,184m. The new depth of  Sistema 
Huautla makes it the deepest cave in the Western hemisphere. 
 
Bill Steele 

[Texascavers] Update of British expedition to Sistema Huautla

[Speleosteele]

This was just posted on the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition Facebook  page:
 
Earlier this week the dive team returned from  beyond the sump after 
spending one week camping and exploring. After compiling  survey data we can 
report that Sistema Huautla is now 1,545m deep. Sump 9 was  pushed to a length 
of 
410m and depth of 81m on the final dive. In addition to  this 1,774m of new 
dry passage was surveyed although no bypass to Sump 9 could  be located. 
This makes the total extra survey length 2,184m. The new depth of  Sistema 
Huautla makes it the deepest cave in the Western hemisphere. 
 
Bill Steele 

[Texascavers] Update of British expedition to Sistema Huautla

[Speleosteele]

This was just posted on the Huautla Cave Diving Expedition Facebook  page:
 
Earlier this week the dive team returned from  beyond the sump after 
spending one week camping and exploring. After compiling  survey data we can 
report that Sistema Huautla is now 1,545m deep. Sump 9 was  pushed to a length 
of 
410m and depth of 81m on the final dive. In addition to  this 1,774m of new 
dry passage was surveyed although no bypass to Sump 9 could  be located. 
This makes the total extra survey length 2,184m. The new depth of  Sistema 
Huautla makes it the deepest cave in the Western hemisphere. 
 
Bill Steele 

[Texascavers] Update on Vienna Airport for International Congress of Speleology

[Katherine Arens]

Dear all,
am sitting in the Vienna Airport in Austria on the free wireless to recommend 
this airport to you all.  It just increased size by 2/3 and efficiency a 
thousand-fold -- lots of screening lines, huge duty free, etc.  Food at duty 
free, not much after (watch that).

Travel tips:
1) bring your atm card.   Works in major banks with good rates.
2) call your credit card company to remind them where you'll be so you don't 
get a hold put on it.
3)  for most of us, our credit cards will NOT work in some merchants -- 
European credit cards work with chips in them, we're behind the times.  
Anywhere catering to tourists ok, local shops sometimes not.
4) Austria -- land of candy and cake.  Buy it at the local grocery store, not 
the tourist areas (same brands)

katie


Katherine Arens Office Phones: (512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1088

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  ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
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[Texascavers] Update on Vienna Airport for International Congress of Speleology

[Katherine Arens]

Dear all,
am sitting in the Vienna Airport in Austria on the free wireless to recommend 
this airport to you all.  It just increased size by 2/3 and efficiency a 
thousand-fold -- lots of screening lines, huge duty free, etc.  Food at duty 
free, not much after (watch that).

Travel tips:
1) bring your atm card.   Works in major banks with good rates.
2) call your credit card company to remind them where you'll be so you don't 
get a hold put on it.
3)  for most of us, our credit cards will NOT work in some merchants -- 
European credit cards work with chips in them, we're behind the times.  
Anywhere catering to tourists ok, local shops sometimes not.
4) Austria -- land of candy and cake.  Buy it at the local grocery store, not 
the tourist areas (same brands)

katie


Katherine Arens Office Phones: (512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1088

  -. .-
 _..-'()`-.._
 ./'. '||\\.(\_/) .//||` .`\.
  ./'.|'.'\\|..)O O(..|//`.`|.`\.
./'..|'.|| |\`` '`" '` ''/| ||.`|..`\.
  ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
 /'|||'.|| {   } ||.`|||`\
'.|||'.||| {   } |||.`|||.`
'.||| | |/'   ``\||`` ''||/''   `\| | |||.`
 |/' \./' `\./\!|\   /|!/\./' `\./ `\|
V  VV}' `\ /' `{V   VV

[Texascavers] Update on Vienna Airport for International Congress of Speleology

[Katherine Arens]

Dear all,
am sitting in the Vienna Airport in Austria on the free wireless to recommend 
this airport to you all.  It just increased size by 2/3 and efficiency a 
thousand-fold -- lots of screening lines, huge duty free, etc.  Food at duty 
free, not much after (watch that).

Travel tips:
1) bring your atm card.   Works in major banks with good rates.
2) call your credit card company to remind them where you'll be so you don't 
get a hold put on it.
3)  for most of us, our credit cards will NOT work in some merchants -- 
European credit cards work with chips in them, we're behind the times.  
Anywhere catering to tourists ok, local shops sometimes not.
4) Austria -- land of candy and cake.  Buy it at the local grocery store, not 
the tourist areas (same brands)

katie


Katherine Arens Office Phones: (512) 232-6363
ar...@austin.utexas.edu Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
Dept. of Germanic Studies   FAX (512) 471-4025
2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
University of Texas at Austin   Office:  Burdine 320
Austin, TX  78712-1088

  -. .-
 _..-'()`-.._
 ./'. '||\\.(\_/) .//||` .`\.
  ./'.|'.'\\|..)O O(..|//`.`|.`\.
./'..|'.|| |\`` '`" '` ''/| ||.`|..`\.
  ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
 /'|||'.|| {   } ||.`|||`\
'.|||'.||| {   } |||.`|||.`
'.||| | |/'   ``\||`` ''||/''   `\| | |||.`
 |/' \./' `\./\!|\   /|!/\./' `\./ `\|
V  VV}' `\ /' `{V   VV

[Texascavers] Update on Congressional funding for WNS from Peter Youngbaer

[R D Milhollin]

I thought it would be helpful to post some information about 

Congressional and Administrative funding for WNS, just to set some 
context for the overall discussions about WNS.

As we reported earlier, the Federal Fiscal Year 2012 budget act , 
which finally passed in late December for the fiscal year that began 
Oct. 1, 2011, contained $4 million for WNS in the U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife budget. This was not new money, but a Congressional 
directive to spend the $4 million out of the USFWS' Recovery funds. 
This means that other activities they had been planning had to take a 
back seat.

In January, President Obama presented his 2013 budget proposal, and 
it includes $1.875 million for WNS in the USFWS budget - again from 
Recovery funds. The U.S. Geological Survey budget also includes $1 
million for WNS research. We don't have details yet, so the funding 
source is unclear. This is the first time that WNS has been 
specifically mentioned in the President's proposed budget.

Now, this is an election year, and many Washington observers feel 
that Congress will not pass many agency budgets, rather choosing to 
operate once again on continuing budget resolutions until after the 
November election. This process typically level-funds budgets from 
the prior year for short periods of time, until a comprehensive 
budget act/compromise passes. This process essentially hijacks the 
normal committee review of programs and budgets, meaning testimony 
and advocacy efforts can be largely irrelevant.

That said, we are aware that at least some Congressional committees 
and staff continue to work on WNS. We are expecting a hearing in the 
Senate Agriculture Committee sometime in the second half of March.

In the meantime, and also to help provide context for all the WNS 
discussions, a large collaborative of environmental organizations 
have produced a lengthy document called the Green Budget for a number 
of years. This year's version contains a few mentions of WNS, 
including a separate section specifically on WNS. Here's a link to 
the entire document:
https://soe.salsalabs.com/o/1/images/GreenBudget2013.pdfThe main 
write-up is pp. 12-22 and 12-23 (pp. 247-248 of the PDF). I would 
urge everyone to read at least that section to see what is being said 
about WNS.

Going back to the $4 million appropriation made in December, we don't 
yet have any details on how or when that funding will be used or 
distributed. There was a prior Request for Proposals by USFWS for 
research projects totaling up to $1 million due Dec. 4, with awards 
expected to be announced this month (February) with project start 
dates expected around May 1. If history is any guide, the $4 million 
will be split between agency management activities, state grants, and 
competitive research, but the funds will take up to a year or more 
before they hit the street.

Again, my purpose in posting this information is to make folks aware 
of the overall context in which WNS responses are taking place.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE
WNS Liaison
Cave Softly; Cave Cleanly
For the latest WNS info, check the NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS

[Texascavers] Update on Congressional funding for WNS from Peter Youngbaer

[R D Milhollin]

I thought it would be helpful to post some information about 

Congressional and Administrative funding for WNS, just to set some 
context for the overall discussions about WNS.

As we reported earlier, the Federal Fiscal Year 2012 budget act , 
which finally passed in late December for the fiscal year that began 
Oct. 1, 2011, contained $4 million for WNS in the U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife budget. This was not new money, but a Congressional 
directive to spend the $4 million out of the USFWS' Recovery funds. 
This means that other activities they had been planning had to take a 
back seat.

In January, President Obama presented his 2013 budget proposal, and 
it includes $1.875 million for WNS in the USFWS budget - again from 
Recovery funds. The U.S. Geological Survey budget also includes $1 
million for WNS research. We don't have details yet, so the funding 
source is unclear. This is the first time that WNS has been 
specifically mentioned in the President's proposed budget.

Now, this is an election year, and many Washington observers feel 
that Congress will not pass many agency budgets, rather choosing to 
operate once again on continuing budget resolutions until after the 
November election. This process typically level-funds budgets from 
the prior year for short periods of time, until a comprehensive 
budget act/compromise passes. This process essentially hijacks the 
normal committee review of programs and budgets, meaning testimony 
and advocacy efforts can be largely irrelevant.

That said, we are aware that at least some Congressional committees 
and staff continue to work on WNS. We are expecting a hearing in the 
Senate Agriculture Committee sometime in the second half of March.

In the meantime, and also to help provide context for all the WNS 
discussions, a large collaborative of environmental organizations 
have produced a lengthy document called the Green Budget for a number 
of years. This year's version contains a few mentions of WNS, 
including a separate section specifically on WNS. Here's a link to 
the entire document:
https://soe.salsalabs.com/o/1/images/GreenBudget2013.pdfThe main 
write-up is pp. 12-22 and 12-23 (pp. 247-248 of the PDF). I would 
urge everyone to read at least that section to see what is being said 
about WNS.

Going back to the $4 million appropriation made in December, we don't 
yet have any details on how or when that funding will be used or 
distributed. There was a prior Request for Proposals by USFWS for 
research projects totaling up to $1 million due Dec. 4, with awards 
expected to be announced this month (February) with project start 
dates expected around May 1. If history is any guide, the $4 million 
will be split between agency management activities, state grants, and 
competitive research, but the funds will take up to a year or more 
before they hit the street.

Again, my purpose in posting this information is to make folks aware 
of the overall context in which WNS responses are taking place.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE
WNS Liaison
Cave Softly; Cave Cleanly
For the latest WNS info, check the NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS

[Texascavers] Update on Congressional funding for WNS from Peter Youngbaer

[R D Milhollin]

I thought it would be helpful to post some information about 

Congressional and Administrative funding for WNS, just to set some 
context for the overall discussions about WNS.

As we reported earlier, the Federal Fiscal Year 2012 budget act , 
which finally passed in late December for the fiscal year that began 
Oct. 1, 2011, contained $4 million for WNS in the U.S. Fish and 
Wildlife budget. This was not new money, but a Congressional 
directive to spend the $4 million out of the USFWS' Recovery funds. 
This means that other activities they had been planning had to take a 
back seat.

In January, President Obama presented his 2013 budget proposal, and 
it includes $1.875 million for WNS in the USFWS budget - again from 
Recovery funds. The U.S. Geological Survey budget also includes $1 
million for WNS research. We don't have details yet, so the funding 
source is unclear. This is the first time that WNS has been 
specifically mentioned in the President's proposed budget.

Now, this is an election year, and many Washington observers feel 
that Congress will not pass many agency budgets, rather choosing to 
operate once again on continuing budget resolutions until after the 
November election. This process typically level-funds budgets from 
the prior year for short periods of time, until a comprehensive 
budget act/compromise passes. This process essentially hijacks the 
normal committee review of programs and budgets, meaning testimony 
and advocacy efforts can be largely irrelevant.

That said, we are aware that at least some Congressional committees 
and staff continue to work on WNS. We are expecting a hearing in the 
Senate Agriculture Committee sometime in the second half of March.

In the meantime, and also to help provide context for all the WNS 
discussions, a large collaborative of environmental organizations 
have produced a lengthy document called the Green Budget for a number 
of years. This year's version contains a few mentions of WNS, 
including a separate section specifically on WNS. Here's a link to 
the entire document:
https://soe.salsalabs.com/o/1/images/GreenBudget2013.pdfThe main 
write-up is pp. 12-22 and 12-23 (pp. 247-248 of the PDF). I would 
urge everyone to read at least that section to see what is being said 
about WNS.

Going back to the $4 million appropriation made in December, we don't 
yet have any details on how or when that funding will be used or 
distributed. There was a prior Request for Proposals by USFWS for 
research projects totaling up to $1 million due Dec. 4, with awards 
expected to be announced this month (February) with project start 
dates expected around May 1. If history is any guide, the $4 million 
will be split between agency management activities, state grants, and 
competitive research, but the funds will take up to a year or more 
before they hit the street.

Again, my purpose in posting this information is to make folks aware 
of the overall context in which WNS responses are taking place.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE
WNS Liaison
Cave Softly; Cave Cleanly
For the latest WNS info, check the NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS

[Texascavers] Update on Devetashka Cave

[Lee H. Skinner]

The Regional Environmental Inspectorate in the Northern Bulgarian town 
of Pleven will fine Bulgarian-based NU Boyana Film Studios for cutting 
down the vegetation surrounding the nearby Devetashka cave.


The Devetashka cave is to host parts of the shooting of "The Expendables 
2", an action movie which stars Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Arnold 
Schwarzenegger and Chuck Norris among others


Under the Bulgarian environmental legislation, NU Boyana Film Studios 
faces a fine ranging from the mere BGN 500 (approximately EUR 250) to 
BGN 5 000. The region was inspected after a signal was filed by the 
local Green Balkans NGO.


Besides the tiny fine, the producers of "The Expendables 2" face the 
rage of Bulgarian environmentalists who are concerned that the shooting 
of the movie may have fatal consequences for the bats inhabiting the cave.


The cave is considered to be one of the most important natural habitats 
of bats in Europe.


The bats are currently preparing for their winter sleep and any 
disturbance may have fatal consequences, the environmentalists believe. 
Some 13 endangered species of bat inhabit the cave.



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[Texascavers] Update on Devetashka Cave

[Lee H. Skinner]

The Regional Environmental Inspectorate in the Northern Bulgarian town 
of Pleven will fine Bulgarian-based NU Boyana Film Studios for cutting 
down the vegetation surrounding the nearby Devetashka cave.


The Devetashka cave is to host parts of the shooting of "The Expendables 
2", an action movie which stars Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Arnold 
Schwarzenegger and Chuck Norris among others


Under the Bulgarian environmental legislation, NU Boyana Film Studios 
faces a fine ranging from the mere BGN 500 (approximately EUR 250) to 
BGN 5 000. The region was inspected after a signal was filed by the 
local Green Balkans NGO.


Besides the tiny fine, the producers of "The Expendables 2" face the 
rage of Bulgarian environmentalists who are concerned that the shooting 
of the movie may have fatal consequences for the bats inhabiting the cave.


The cave is considered to be one of the most important natural habitats 
of bats in Europe.


The bats are currently preparing for their winter sleep and any 
disturbance may have fatal consequences, the environmentalists believe. 
Some 13 endangered species of bat inhabit the cave.



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[Texascavers] Update on Devetashka Cave

[Lee H. Skinner]

The Regional Environmental Inspectorate in the Northern Bulgarian town 
of Pleven will fine Bulgarian-based NU Boyana Film Studios for cutting 
down the vegetation surrounding the nearby Devetashka cave.


The Devetashka cave is to host parts of the shooting of "The Expendables 
2", an action movie which stars Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Arnold 
Schwarzenegger and Chuck Norris among others


Under the Bulgarian environmental legislation, NU Boyana Film Studios 
faces a fine ranging from the mere BGN 500 (approximately EUR 250) to 
BGN 5 000. The region was inspected after a signal was filed by the 
local Green Balkans NGO.


Besides the tiny fine, the producers of "The Expendables 2" face the 
rage of Bulgarian environmentalists who are concerned that the shooting 
of the movie may have fatal consequences for the bats inhabiting the cave.


The cave is considered to be one of the most important natural habitats 
of bats in Europe.


The bats are currently preparing for their winter sleep and any 
disturbance may have fatal consequences, the environmentalists believe. 
Some 13 endangered species of bat inhabit the cave.



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[Texascavers] update "Passing of a Caver"

[bcow911]

A lot of folks are asking for more info on Rebecca-O'Daniel-Hutchins. I 
included her previous last name as some folks don't recognize her as 
Hutchins. Fran will meet with the minister again on monday and will 
finalize everything. He is pushing for a service on June 19th a Saturday, 
hopefully around 10:30 am with a snack time following the service in the 
FellowShip hall. The service will only be the service with no speaches just the 
service. Those wishing to express there feelings can do so at the wake 
following the service .Services will be held at the Alamo Heights Presp. Church 
on Broadway. I'll try my best to keep everyone informed. It was requested by 
Rebecca prior to her passing that any money for flowers should be donated to 
TCMA.

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Re: [Texascavers] Update on the rescue in Zongolica, Veracruz, Mexico - operations finished

[Fofo]

Good afternoon.

A note from Antonio Aguirre on the end of operations in Zongolica:

"The patient was out of the cave by 00:30 hrs. He was transported to 
Zongolica to receive medical attention and fortunately he is doing well, 
only badly bruised, as would be expected, since he rolled down a 15 m 
incline and then fell into a 30 m pit. A doctor was lowered first and he 
was with the patient throughout the rescue. The personnel is going back 
to their homes."


 - Fofo


Fofo wrote, on 22/2/10 23:18:

Howdy!

This is a note from Antonio Aguirre, president of Espeleo Rescate Mexico 
(ERM):


"The patient is a 23 year old male that fell into a 60 meter pit. He is 
alive. This information is from Proteccion Civil of Veracruz, but it has 
not been confirmed by ERM personnel. There are more rescuers moving to 
the zone"



 - Fofo

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[Texascavers] Update on the rescue in Zongolica, Veracruz, Mexico.

[Fofo]

Howdy!

This is a note from Antonio Aguirre, president of Espeleo Rescate Mexico 
(ERM):


"The patient is a 23 year old male that fell into a 60 meter pit. He is 
alive. This information is from Proteccion Civil of Veracruz, but it has 
not been confirmed by ERM personnel. There are more rescuers moving to 
the zone"



 - Fofo

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[Texascavers] UPDATE: Austin Cave Festival CANCELLED & rescheduled

[Jules Jenkins]

Hi folks, 

   

We’re making the call. 
It’s pouring rain here at the office.  This is a really tough decision to
make because of the level of effort we’ve all put into making Cave Fest a
success.  After spending time at the preserve and under current
conditions, we don’t have the resources to remediate after a wet Cave Fest
(think ACL) 

   

Cave Fest is
officially cancelled for this weekend due to wet conditions.  We’re going
to reschedule for Groundwater Awareness Week’s Saturday.   

   

Please mark your calendars for a great spring Cave
Festival—Saturday, March 13, 2010. 

   

Please let all your volunteers
know.  We’ve attached a cancellation flyer, too.  Please post and
share! 

   

Our website is updated. 
Cancellation flyers are posted at the preserve.  And we’re meeting with
KXAN to talk about Cave Fest and the recent rains, so notice will likely go out
on tonight’s news also. 

   

If you get calls, feel free to
route them to Jules at 289-1336.  She’ll have her cell on all Saturday. 

   

THANK YOU ALL!  

- 
Jules and RobinBSEACD, Austin Cave Festival Team


  

Re: [Texascavers] Update on Vancouver vertical advances

[Bill Bentley]

Wow!  I have had this gear in my store room for years and never realized the
full potential of them...

Bill
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To: 
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:29 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Update on Vancouver vertical advances


> I'm not sure how well these would work south of the 30th parallel but
> someone should give them a try.
>
> http://www.cancaver.ca/rats/sucs/
>
> --Ediger
>
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[Texascavers] Update on Vancouver vertical advances

[Gill Ediger]

I'm not sure how well these would work south of the 30th parallel but 
someone should give them a try.


http://www.cancaver.ca/rats/sucs/

--Ediger


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[Texascavers] update

[Gill Ediger]

At 02:30 AM 1/26/2008, Stefan Creaser wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net]
>
> At 08:40 PM 1/25/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
> >   Yvonne says the Belgians are complaining on their list serve
> > that because they speak French, people think they are from
> > France.  The victim, and at least some if not all of the other team
> > members are Belgian, not French.
>
> I hope they never confuse us with the damned British.

I hope they never confuse me with the damned Americans :-)


So long as you stick to email you'll keep them perfectly confused. 
Most have not a clue. Even with a name like Stefan That's not 
saying we're not easily confused as it is, just look at the sort of 
people we elect president.


--Ediger


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RE: [Texascavers] update

[Stefan Creaser]

> -Original Message-
> From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] 
>
> At 08:40 PM 1/25/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
> >   Yvonne says the Belgians are complaining on their list serve 
> > that because they speak French, people think they are from 
> > France.  The victim, and at least some if not all of the other team 
> > members are Belgian, not French.
>
> I hope they never confuse us with the damned British.

I hope they never confuse me with the damned Americans :-)

Stefan


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[Texascavers] update

[Gill Ediger]

At 08:40 PM 1/25/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
  Yvonne says the Belgians are complaining on their list serve 
that because they speak French, people think they are from 
France.  The victim, and at least some if not all of the other team 
members are Belgian, not French.


I hope they never confuse us with the damned British.

--Ediger



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[Texascavers] Update friday 25/1000hrs

[Antonio Aguirre Alvarez]

At 1000 the situation is:
There are still two groups rigging the cave that is almost done. They are going 
to rest now until 1300, when Arthur stretcher will start to move. / He is 
helping by himself in some complicated areas (meanders). /Outside, there´s 
always another rescue team from ERM in stand by (fresh guys, just in case). 
Hypothermia is now beggining to be a concern for the time that Arthur has been 
there, so thank´s god there´s a pretty female Dr with him ,-) / More people 
from Chiapas is moving to the area to derigg the cave. / Goverment is makin a 
good work kicking out some ass from the area, with the help of the Army. / 
Estimated time? ... The guys overthere thinks that tomorrow (saturday) Arthur 
should be in an hospital. We all hope so, if there´s no more complications.
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[Texascavers] Update on the D3

[Mark Passerby]

Update on the D3.  I will have one shortly as well and be using it.

The Disto™ D3 should hit North America the first week of December "07.  It
will be available at http://www.laserstreet.com/leica-disto-d3.htm with a
price of $349 USD.  Don't forget your group code "cavers".

Updated specs from the previous post on the Leica Disto D3 are:

Measuring range of 2 in. – 328 ft. (0.05m – 100m)
Accuracy of ± 1/25th in. (1 mm)
Inclinometer measuring range ± 45°
Inclinometer accuracy to Laser Beam: ± 0.3°
Inclinometer accuracy to D3 Housing:  ± 0.3°
Dimensions: 4.9 x 1.8 x 0.98 in (125 x 45 x 25mm)
Weight w/ batteries: 3.9 oz. (110g)
Stores 20 measured values
IP 54 rating (splash and dust proof – same as the Disto A3)
Light sensor to automatically switch on the display and keypad in low light
environments.
3 year warranty

To view the full specs on the Disto D3 and see how it compares with other
Disto models, a Leica Disto comparison chart is available at
http://www.laserstreet.com/disto_laser_meters.htm; there is a PDF of this
chart for download as well.

[Texascavers] Update on Donna Mosesmann

[Kevin McGowan]

Many cavers have met Donna and deserve to know her condition.

I spoke with Donna's daughter, Amy, this morning. She told me that Donna's
condition has deteriorated very quickly in the past few days. They are
trying to treat her pain, which is substantial. She is unconscious most of
the time and in hospice care. 

They will keep me up to date and I'll pass on any information.

I told Amy that Donna has many caver-friends across Texas who care very much
for her and that our thoughts and prayers are with Donna and her family. Our
thoughts are with you too Jim.

Amy asked that I post this note to Texascavers.

Kevin