Re: [Texascavers] ICS 17 pubs?

[George Veni via Texascavers]

The 17th ICS proceedings are being revised. Some mistakes and omissions were 
discovered at the last minute. Attendees were asked to not distribute the 
digital versions given to them on thumb drives to prevent confusion when the 
corrected final version is released. The revised proceedings should be out soon 
and will be freely available to everyone, probably through the congress website 
for the short term and the Karst Information Portal for the long term. I'll 
send out an announcement as soon as they are posted.

George


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Mixon Bill via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 14:28
To: Cavers Texas 
Cc: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS 17 pubs?

I'd like to borrow copies, preferably digital of course, of publications of the 
recent ICS in Australia. I have the detailed program, but there should also be

A program book with abstracts

A guidebook

There were two talks on Mexico in the schedule; the AMCS will want to publish 
at least the abstracts in next year's Activities Newsletter. 

I will not be at TCR. -- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Trip Report at Monday's Bexar Grotto meeting

[George Veni via Texascavers]

No ICS report would be complete without mention of "the congress cough." 
Luckily the Mitchells avoided it. By my count at least 31 were afflicted with 
diagnoses including influenza B, sinus and lung infections, colds, and 
bronchitis. I know at least two people ended up in the hospital and at least 
five people in bed for about a week, including me and the congress chairman 
(no, we weren't in bed together).

It's a bummer way to wrap up an otherwise great time going down under down 
under, but it's also the constant risk in travel and at any large gathering. 
Hopefully we'll avoid such annoyances during the next ICS, which will be in 
Lyon, France, in 2021. A website with information should be posted within a 
year.

George


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From: Bennett Lee via Texascavers 
Date: 8/24/17 4:18 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: bexargro...@googlegroups.com, "'texascavers@texascavers.com'" 

Cc: Bennett Lee 
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Trip Report at Monday's Bexar Grotto meeting

This Monday night, the Bexar Grotto’s very own Joe Mitchell is giving a 
presentation on ICS:

Down Under ICS
The 17th International Congress of Speleology was held in Penrith, Australia 
the last week of July and was well represented by Texas Cavers. Since it’s a 
bit of a trip to get there, we made up our own three week pre-Congress trip to 
New Zealand and other parts of Australia. Besides being completely upside down, 
what with the sun in the north, winter in July, driving on the left, day when 
it should be night, and toilets flushing counterclockwise (ok, maybe not that 
last part), we managed to visit several caves including one with amazing 
glowworms, saw impressive geology and thermal features, got up close with lots 
of unique wildlife, and had some amazing experiences.

The Bexar Grotto meets every 2nd and 4th Monday of the month at 7pm in the 
Party Room of Chester’s at 410 and N New Braunfels.

Chester's 
Hamburgers
1006 NE Loop 
410
San Antonio, TX 
78209

Bennett Lee
Programs Vice-Chair
Bexar Grotto
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Bowling Green

[Alex Sproul via Texascavers]

>I have a few.  Could you supply a direct e-ddress.

Thanks, Jon!

I have to reply to the list, as don't have your address, either!

Please send  any/all pics to

Boris Watz 

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Bowling Green

[Jon Cradit via Texascavers]

Alex,
I have a few.  Could you supply a direct e-ddress.

Jon


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Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:06 PM
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Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Bowling Green

Any of you old fart cavers have any pics from the 1981 Congress?

The UIS will be celebrating its 50th anniversary in June, and Boriz Watz 
(Croatia) is preparing a video to celebrate it. He needs photos of sessions and 
special events at the  ICS to flesh it out.

He also needs images of early explorations in Mammoth Cave -- in the 19th and 
18th centuries.

If you can help, please let me know! Soon!

Alex

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS illnesses

[Corky]

Don't forget the dreaded Tularemia also known a "Rabbit Fever". I picked 
up another case of that in Cottonwood this spring. I was infected the 
first time about twenty years ago at River Styx.


J. LaRue Thomas wrote:
Those of you who had high fevers, if you removed a tick 1-2 weeks 
before the fever showed up you might ask a medical someone about Lyme 
Disease.


Not all Lyme Disease presents a bulls-eye rash but a high fever 7-14 
days after a bite is common. I was Lymed a few years ago caving in NE 
Sutton County and 10 days after the tick I ran a 104 degree fever and 
had to be hauled by friends to an emergency room.


Just a heads-up. Jacqui

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RE: [Texascavers] ICS related

[Butch Fralia]

I'd be happy to work (as time permits) on a set of text and photo pages for
the TSA website if folks who were there would provide the photos and text.

Butch Fralia
TSA Webmaster


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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:49 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS related

So far, the most informative review I have seen of ICS comes from flipping
thru Frank Binney's Facebook photos.

 http://www.facebook.com/frank.binney?hiq=frank,binney&ref=search

Frank apparently had a lot of fun re-visiting old caving friends.



I think someone needs to put out a web-page with a thorough recap
of ICS with a selection of Frank's photos, and Scott Fee's

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/caverscott/sets/72157621652240404/

And the best of everybody else's photos too, like Ernie Garza's etc.

This would be a good project for a dozen people that wanted to volunteer for
ICS, but couldn't.

It would be too costly to publish something, as it would be
over 100 pages, if not 200.


David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Herman Miller]

I guess if we dont get scorching heat, musquitos, lightning strike, or a
torrential windstorm we have our own caver influenza outbreak


On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Jon Cradit wrote:

>  YES HE DID, and he let us know about it.
>
> I think his infliction was spread by what is classified as a carrier.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ke...@sbcglobal.net [mailto:ke...@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:12 PM
> *To:* ellie :); Don Cooper
> *Cc:* David; Cavers Texas
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
>
>
>
> I had a chapped ass one night at the ICS, but a few beers and a couple
> hours sleep cleared it right up...
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>  --
>
> *From*: "ellie :)"
> *Date*: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:27:33 -0500
> *To*: Don Cooper
> *Subject*: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
>
> I have been suffering from acute laziness
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:
>
> I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring
> medical attention.
> Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a
> damn yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.
> Same for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she
> never really got sick).
> .
> -WaV
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David  wrote:
>
> I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
> the Guadalupe River.
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Charles Goldsmith]

Oh, don't sweat it, I gave up on it a long time ago :)

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Rick Corbell wrote:
>
>
> Charles,
>
> That's the best one yet!!
>
> Just almost got your extension cord straightened out.  Return to original
> shape is hopeless.
>
> Rick Corbell
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: wo...@justfamily.org
>> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:22:13 -0500
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
>>
>> It was probably Bill Steele's tights that made everyone sick...
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Katherine Arens
>> wrote:
>> > Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with (respectively) a bad
>> > cough
>> > and a sore throat.  No fevers that we noticed.
>> > -k
>> >
>> > Dear Cavers,
>> >
>> > My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the
>> > last
>> > few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS attendees
>> > who
>> > may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
>> >
>> > I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due
>> > to
>> > illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
>> >
>> >
>> > Rick Corbell
>> >
>>
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Rick Corbell]

 

 

Charles,

 

That's the best one yet!!   

 

Just almost got your extension cord straightened out.  Return to original shape 
is hopeless.

Rick Corbell
 



 

> From: wo...@justfamily.org
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:22:13 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
> 
> It was probably Bill Steele's tights that made everyone sick...
> 
> Charles
> 
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Katherine Arens 
> wrote:
> > Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with (respectively) a bad cough
> > and a sore throat.  No fevers that we noticed.
> > -k
> >
> > Dear Cavers,
> >
> > My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the last
> > few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS attendees who
> > may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
> >
> > I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
> > illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
> >
> >
> > Rick Corbell
> >
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Jon Cradit]

YES HE DID, and he let us know about it.
I think his infliction was spread by what is classified as a carrier.


From: ke...@sbcglobal.net [mailto:ke...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:12 PM
To: ellie :); Don Cooper
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

I had a chapped ass one night at the ICS, but a few beers and a couple hours 
sleep cleared it right up...

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From: "ellie :)"
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:27:33 -0500
To: Don Cooper
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
I have been suffering from acute laziness
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper 
mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring 
medical attention.
Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a damn 
yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.  Same 
for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she never 
really got sick).
.
-WaV

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
the Guadalupe River.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[kego3]

I had a chapped ass one night at the ICS, but a few beers and a couple hours 
sleep cleared it right up...
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-Original Message-
From: "ellie :)" 

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:27:33 
To: Don Cooper
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

I have been suffering from acute laziness

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:

> I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring
> medical attention.
> Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a
> damn yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.
> Same for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she
> never really got sick).
> .
> -WaV
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
>> the Guadalupe River.
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[ellie :)]

I have been suffering from acute laziness

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:

> I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring
> medical attention.
> Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a
> damn yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.
> Same for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she
> never really got sick).
> .
> -WaV
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
>> the Guadalupe River.
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Don Cooper]

I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring
medical attention.
Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a
damn yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.
Same for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she
never really got sick).
.
-WaV

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David  wrote:

> I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
> the Guadalupe River.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[David]

I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
the Guadalupe River.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Herman Miller]

If its any consolation I developed an infection in one of my fingers at the
convention that was lanced three days ago, all looks better now though I
have lingering stiffness in the joint from it being swollen in place for a
good lil while.

Herman Miller

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Linda Palit  wrote:

>  There seem to be two things going around – one is a flu  or flu like–
> would not be too surprised if it is swine flu.  Miserable, but hopefully
> better now than in the winter – who knows.  Take care of yourselves if you
> have that.
>
>
>
> The other is some kind of virus/cold thing – much less severe – minor
> fever, congestion, and cough after other symptoms subside.
>
>
>
> Several people were ill at ICS near the beginning of the convention but it
> seemed pretty minor.  I don’t really know the details or whatever – that is
> just personal observation.
>
>
>
> And Gil has an ingrown toenail – maybe two.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rick Corbell [mailto:rlcorb...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 03, 2009 7:32 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
>
>
>
> Dear Cavers,
>
>
> My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the
> last few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS
> attendees who may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
>
> I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
> illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
>
>
> Rick Corbell
>
>
>  --
>
> Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it 
> out.
>

RE: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Linda Palit]

There seem to be two things going around - one is a flu  or flu like- would
not be too surprised if it is swine flu.  Miserable, but hopefully better
now than in the winter - who knows.  Take care of yourselves if you have
that.

 

The other is some kind of virus/cold thing - much less severe - minor fever,
congestion, and cough after other symptoms subside.  

 

Several people were ill at ICS near the beginning of the convention but it
seemed pretty minor.  I don't really know the details or whatever - that is
just personal observation.

 

And Gil has an ingrown toenail - maybe two.

 

From: Rick Corbell [mailto:rlcorb...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

 

Dear Cavers,
 
My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the last
few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS attendees who
may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
 
I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
 

Rick Corbell
 



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[speleosteele]

Yeah!


--Original Message--
From: Charles Goldsmith
To: TexasCavers
Sent: Aug 3, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

It was probably Bill Steele's tights that made everyone sick...

Charles

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
> Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with (respectively) a bad cough
> and a sore throat.  No fevers that we noticed.
> -k
>
> Dear Cavers,
>
> My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the last
> few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS attendees who
> may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
>
> I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
> illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
>
>
> Rick Corbell
>

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[Gill Edigar]

I think we need to keep a close eye on each other to see if anyone's nose
starts to turn white.--Ediger

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> Grace was really sick. Saj and Crystal and Yazmin had runny noses. I had an
> ingrown toenail. --Ediger
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Rick Corbell wrote:
>
>>  Dear Cavers,
>>
>> My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the
>> last few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS
>> attendees who may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
>>
>> I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
>> illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
>>
>>
>> Rick Corbell
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it 
>> out.
>>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Gill Edigar]

Grace was really sick. Saj and Crystal and Yazmin had runny noses. I had an
ingrown toenail. --Ediger

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Rick Corbell  wrote:

>  Dear Cavers,
>
> My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the
> last few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS
> attendees who may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
>
> I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
> illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
>
>
> Rick Corbell
>
>
>
> --
> Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it 
> out.
>

Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Ed Alexander]

I left on sunday with a scratchy throat and had cold/allergy/sinus 
symptoms all week.

Ed


Katherine Arens wrote:
Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with (respectively) a bad 
cough and a sore throat.  No fevers that we noticed.

-k

Dear Cavers,
 
My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in 
the last few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other 
ICS attendees who may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
 
I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th 
due to illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
 


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Charles Goldsmith]

It was probably Bill Steele's tights that made everyone sick...

Charles

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
> Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with (respectively) a bad cough
> and a sore throat.  No fevers that we noticed.
> -k
>
> Dear Cavers,
>
> My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the last
> few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS attendees who
> may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
>
> I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
> illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
>
>
> Rick Corbell
>

Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Katherine Arens]

Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with 
(respectively) a bad cough and a sore throat.  No 
fevers that we noticed.

-k

Dear Cavers,

My three cabin mates from ICS have come down 
with 102 plus fever in the last few days.  I've 
been asked to see if there have been other ICS 
attendees who may have developed a fever and 
pneumonia.


I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting 
on Monday the 27th due to illness, but I don't 
know the symptoms.



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Joe Ranzau]

I came down with a mild fever and sore throat.

Joe Ranzau
Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Rick Corbell  wrote:


Dear Cavers,

My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in  
the last few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other  
ICS attendees who may have developed a fever and pneumonia.


I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th  
due to illness, but I don't know the symptoms.



Rick Corbell



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RE: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Ron Ralph]

Logan McNatt had high fever Tuesday after. His computer is broken and he
only receives messages at work.

Ron

 

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From: Rick Corbell [mailto:rlcorb...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

 

Dear Cavers,
 
My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in the last
few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other ICS attendees who
may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
 
I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th due to
illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
 

Rick Corbell
 



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Don Arburn]

Live to work
Or
Work to live.


Don's iPhone.

On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:


Vacation is more precious than money

Many places will not let one take time off without pay.

Maybe the question is - whose life is this anyway and what am I  
willing to trade for it?


Nnacy

Re: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Charles Goldsmith]

Yes I do, and I did consider it, but I decided not to, I didn't want
to dig into my savings for this trip, I spent enough as it was, dang
vendors :)

Charles

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Don Cooper wrote:
> Charles - do you have an option to take "leave" (unpaid time off) rather
> than "vacation"?
> If not - would you have made that choice instead?
>
> -DC
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Charles Goldsmith 
> wrote:
>>
>> The same for me Denise, but I took off 7 days out of my 10 that I get
>> a year (2 weeks = 10 working days) of vacation, so it was a big
>> sacrifice for me as well.  It was a paid vacation, but I get so little
>> of it...
>>
>> Very painful
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Denise P wrote:
>> > I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than
>> > money (I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3
>> > of my
>> > annual vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...
>> >
>> > -Denise
>> >
>> > 
>> > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
>> > From: wavyca...@gmail.com
>> > To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
>> > Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related
>> >
>> > I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time
>> > off of
>> > their jobs with no vacation compensation
>> > (they forsake income) to attend ICS?
>> > Unemployment does not count.
>> >
>> > -WaV
>> >
>
>

RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Nancy Weaver]

Vacation is more precious than money

Many places will not let one take time off without pay.

Maybe the question is - whose life is this anyway and what am I 
willing to trade for it?


Nnacy

Re: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Don Cooper]

Charles - do you have an option to take "leave" (unpaid time off) rather
than "vacation"?
If not - would you have made that choice instead?

-DC

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> The same for me Denise, but I took off 7 days out of my 10 that I get
> a year (2 weeks = 10 working days) of vacation, so it was a big
> sacrifice for me as well.  It was a paid vacation, but I get so little
> of it...
>
> Very painful
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Denise P wrote:
> > I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than
> > money (I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of
> my
> > annual vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...
> >
> > -Denise
> >
> > 
> > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
> > From: wavyca...@gmail.com
> > To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related
> >
> > I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off
> of
> > their jobs with no vacation compensation
> > (they forsake income) to attend ICS?
> > Unemployment does not count.
> >
> > -WaV
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[JerryAtkin]

 
Ernie's right; most of the ICS attendees were not aware of the backstage  
dramas that occurred at the ICS.  The organizers and volunteers can  
rightfully be proud of that.  
 
It would be interesting if a book were written about the real story of the  
ICS:  the years of dedication and effort, self sacrifice and  
behind-the-scenes drama, financial fortunes waxing and waning, and the courage  
and 
vision of a few that drove the collective effort to its climactic  conclusion.  
Almost like a sequel to the Huautla book.  and the  made-for-TV version 
could star the movie actors from the Center of the Caving  Universe.   ;>)
 
Jerry.
 
In a message dated 8/1/2009 12:42:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
txwo...@texas.net writes:

Now that all  my ICS guests have left and life can get back to normal, 
I've had time to  reflect about the monumental task the caver community 
has pulled off in  staging the ICS. From the visitor's point of view, 
things went rather  smoothly and the event was well organized. Talking to 
the main volunteers,  one gets a different view: of wayward buses, 
insufficient personnel, lack  of sleep, and a certain amount of chaos. 
The fact that the visitors did  not sense most of this is a testament to 
the volunteer's ability to solve  the problems that arose.

George said it best: "Without the dedicated  volunteers, an event like 
the ICS would not be possible."

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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Linda Palit]

Vacation is more precious than money 

TRUE for many, I think.

 

It is hard to get enough vacation, even if you are willing to do w/o pay.

I am very fortunate to finally be self employed so that I make more of those
decisions.

Many places will not let one take time off without pay.

 

From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:37 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

 

I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than
money (I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of my
annual vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...
 
-Denise
 

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related

I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of
their jobs with no vacation compensation
(they forsake income) to attend ICS?  
Unemployment does not count.

-WaV

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Charles Goldsmith]

The same for me Denise, but I took off 7 days out of my 10 that I get
a year (2 weeks = 10 working days) of vacation, so it was a big
sacrifice for me as well.  It was a paid vacation, but I get so little
of it...

Very painful

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Denise P wrote:
> I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than
> money (I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of my
> annual vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...
>
> -Denise
>
> 
> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
> From: wavyca...@gmail.com
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related
>
> I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of
> their jobs with no vacation compensation
> (they forsake income) to attend ICS?
> Unemployment does not count.
>
> -WaV
>

RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Denise P]

I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than money 
(I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of my annual 
vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...

 

-Denise
 


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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related

I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of 
their jobs with no vacation compensation
(they forsake income) to attend ICS?  
Unemployment does not count.

-WaV

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS related

[vivbone]

 Steve'smargin of error was actually .02 inches. Way less than 2 cm.  He 
brought his own equipment from Nevada, and spenta lot of time on it. It is 
greatly appreciated.  I'll be doing awrite up on the results. It's not often we 
get a chance to compare severalsurvey team's (seven to be exact) data to a well 
defined "correct" survey like this. 
-Vivian 
 
10

My good friend Steve Deveny proofed the survey course to i wanna say 2cm and is 
a professional surveyor.  I don't really have any input there just wanted to 
throw kudos where I could.

Re: [Texascavers] ICS related

[Herman Miller]

6

I think Vermont will be a nice vacation though I really don't see myself
doing much caving there.  The Czech Republic would be nice to get back to,
I've only gone there for air shows though unfortunately I'd prefer to spend
5K on more caving / diving gear.

10

My good friend Steve Deveny proofed the survey course to i wanna say 2cm and
is a professional surveyor.  I don't really have any input there just wanted
to throw kudos where I could.

12

I know there were separate individual talks concerning the "big" caves of
the world throughout the week though I would have much preferred one "big"
session just covering the exploration of these select few caves.

Secondly I like to state that the exploration talks should be held later in
the day so that those whom are still young and in there prime ie explore are
up in time to hear the talks.  Though it might just be me in not being able
to handle campground activities and being able to turn right around and
function so early in the morning ;).

Herman Miller
NSS 55273

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM, David  wrote:

> I would be interested in reading post about events that occurred at ICS
> that I missed.
>
> For example,
>
> 1.The opening ceremony party.
> 2.The NSS auction
> 3.The turnout at the consignment sales.
> 4.Caving trips at TCC, CWAN, Golondrinas, Wind Cave, etc.
> 5.Any opinions on how to improve or help the next convention
>   organizers.
> 6.Who all is excited and counting the days until Vermont?,
>   Colorado ??,   The Czech Republic  ??
> 9.SpeleoOlympics
> 10.   Survey contest.
> 11.   Tourist trip stories.
> 12.Exploration talks
> 13.etc.
>
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS & Big Texas Inn broshure

[Bill Bentley]

found one... thanks to everyone
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bentley 
  To: Texascavers Mailing List 
  Cc: New Mexico Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:51 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] ICS & Big Texas Inn broshure


  Anyone have a copy of this that was in the black bag that was given out at 
ICS registration. I need one as mine got thrown away.
   Contact me off list and can give you my mailing address.
  Thanks,

  Bill

RE: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

[George Veni]

Thanks. It will stay up for a while longer but there is no need to keep it
up "permanently." There will be some wrap-up and update info to post.

George

-Original Message-
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:52 AM
To: George Veni
Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

George, I know you are recuperating, but if you want to keep the
ics2009.us site online and need permanent server and bandwidth, I'll
donate it and move the site over to my server.

BTW, was a great congress, you built a great team.

Charles


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From: Pete Lindsley 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
To: Bill Stephens 
Cc: Texascavers , Karen Kastning



Bill, the last count (unofficial) was 1565, more than 300 additional
cavers beyond those registered at the start of the congress. Last
Sunday it was undecided if the new names would be added to the ICS web
site, which should stay up for at least a couple of months. Perhaps
when Karen Kastning makes it back home in a few days a more official
count can be announced.
Personally, I think the ICS web site was a great piece of work and
that Texas cavers should push to keep it on line and update it to
reflect the success of the 2nd Congress to be held in the USA. I would
like to see pictures added that illustrate as many activities as
possible so that the few that were unable to make it at the last
minute can enjoy what the rest of us experienced.
 - Pete
On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bill Stephens wrote:
Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations
represented at the ICS?

Bill

Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

[Katherine Arens]

A second on keeping the website around.
the UIS will be able to use a lot of it for the future -- esp. the 
translations of policy documents on competitions, for exam, and i 
heard rumor that a lot of the material there was written down for the 
first time.

don't let the URL expire -- it can be settled on some other server, if need be.
-katie
At 7:49 AM -0600 7/30/09, Pete Lindsley wrote:
Bill, the last count (unofficial) was 1565, more than 300 additional 
cavers beyond those registered at the start of the congress. Last 
Sunday it was undecided if the new names would be added to the ICS 
web site, which should stay up for at least a couple of months. 
Perhaps when Karen Kastning makes it back home in a few days a more 
official count can be announced.


Personally, I think the ICS web site was a great piece of work and 
that Texas cavers should push to keep it on line and update it to 
reflect the success of the 2nd Congress to be held in the USA. I 
would like to see pictures added that illustrate as many activities 
as possible so that the few that were unable to make it at the last 
minute can enjoy what the rest of us experienced.


 - Pete

On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bill Stephens wrote:

Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations 
represented at the ICS?


Bill



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

[Heather Tucek]

I think I heard George Veni say it was something like 30% of the registrants
were volunteering...

2009/7/30 David 

> I think it might be interesting for the historical record to note the
> ratio of staff to attendees.
>
> Would a reasonable guess be 1 staff for every 25 attendees ?or
> more like 1 to 50 ?
>
> Nearly every attendee volunteered in someway to make ICS a success.
> I think that is what
> makes caving conventions so successful.
>
> For example,
>
> I saw one caver, who you all know, that seemed to
> be making a sincere effort to escort an elderly caver to all the
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

[David]

I think it might be interesting for the historical record to note the
ratio of staff to attendees.

Would a reasonable guess be 1 staff for every 25 attendees ?or
more like 1 to 50 ?

Nearly every attendee volunteered in someway to make ICS a success.
I think that is what
makes caving conventions so successful.

For example,

I saw one caver, who you all know, that seemed to
be making a sincere effort to escort an elderly caver to all the
congress events.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

[Pete Lindsley]

Bill, the last count (unofficial) was 1565, more than 300 additional  
cavers beyond those registered at the start of the congress. Last  
Sunday it was undecided if the new names would be added to the ICS  
web site, which should stay up for at least a couple of months.  
Perhaps when Karen Kastning makes it back home in a few days a more  
official count can be announced.


Personally, I think the ICS web site was a great piece of work and  
that Texas cavers should push to keep it on line and update it to  
reflect the success of the 2nd Congress to be held in the USA. I  
would like to see pictures added that illustrate as many activities  
as possible so that the few that were unable to make it at the last  
minute can enjoy what the rest of us experienced.


 - Pete

On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bill Stephens wrote:

Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations  
represented at the ICS?


Bill

RE: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

[Jon Cradit]

Well, you see, that depends on how you count.
There were around 1570 folks that registered.
That includes week long registrants as well as day-pass folks and those that 
registered and could not attend due to problems like obtaining entrance visas.
The numbers kept changing up to the last day when Karen closed registration and 
books were packed up to be transported to Virginia.
A final tally is still being calculated for each category.  We might know the 
final number in a week or so, when Karen gets home and reopens the books.

Jon


From: Bill Stephens [mailto:stephen...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:12 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance

Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations represented 
at the ICS?

Bill

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Don Arburn]

And great THANKS to Denise and Dale for which without we could not  
have done what needed to be done. You guys are the real HEROES!!



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On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Denise P  wrote:

Wow, what a great convention! I had a blast. It seemed to come  
together despite fears of chaos and terrible heat. I think everyone  
was impressed and had a wonderful time. Great job, George Veni! And  
I know there were tons of people who spent all their convention time  
volunteering, but I'd like to give a shout out to the transportation  
coordinators, Don Arburn and Ann Scott, and the caving trip  
coordinator, Travis Scott, as I personally observed their trials,  
travails, and round-the-clock hard work. And to the Terminal  
Syphons, who volunteered so much time and sounded especially great  
this year. Four hours of rocking without a break!


Geat job folks

Cheers,
Denise


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RE: [Texascavers] ICS - personal observations - part 3

[Fritz Holt]

David,
Interesting report. Thanks again for all of your work on behalf of the hosting 
Texas cavers.
Fritz

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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:36 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS - personal observations - part 3

Tuesday night,

the Ukranian Cavers camped next to me invited me to their private camp
dinner. It was such an honor
that I couldn't say no. Upon sitting down, the English speaking
one of the group introduced their
colleague who is known as the man to go the deepest in the earth.
I noticed he was wearing
my newest LED head-lamp.  I had loaned it to him a few days ago
when he arrived in the dark, not knowing who
he was, and had not seen it since.  It seemed like a good
opportunity to bond with a caver, so I offered
him my headlamp as a gift. In return, he offered me his grotto
coffee mug.  The translator told me
that he had not even received a grotto coffee mug, so that must mean it was a 
special thing to him.

One attractive girl in the group, Kata, spoke fluent Spanish, so she and I had 
no problem communicating.
I would not mind spending the rest of ICS talking to her.

Anyways, they offered me a Russian soup and Russian Cognac, and they debated 
various religious topics for about an hour, and would have continued, but they 
had a very early schedule and hectic day planned for the next day.



Wednesday was a free day at ICS. Most attendees got up very early
for a road-trip to
either a cave or a tourist destination.

I remained around Groad Hollow and found things to do. I helped
out a few cavers
with either camping gear or some caving gear.

I finally made it over to the swimming pool. I was surprised by
what a nice pool it was.
It had a nice current, so that you could float all over the pool, and the jets 
in the wall provided a nice back massage.

I eventually met a Slovenian caver named Andre, and convinced him to go on my 
private
tour of Kerrville. He was quite impressed.  Although, I did
not learn how to speak
Slovenian, I did learn a little about the culture.

I volunteered to get the Terminal Siphons some authentic mexican tacos for 
dinner
prior to the concert.  They seemed much appreciative of that.
Then I worked a beer keg
at the Terminal Siphons concert. I missed quite a bit of the fun,
but I did get to at least
hear the band play.

I chose not to volunteer, to clean up after the concert.

I must complain that they sounded a bit too professional this year.
Somebody said
that was Rod Goke's fault, as he was the sound technician.  Had
that performance
been in a studio or a acoustic theater, they would have probably sounded 
perfect.

This was my 10th opportunity to watch them play. I have said after
each NSS Convention
that I attended, that I don't think the NSS gives them enough support.
 The social
bonding that occurs during their concerts has a positive impact on caving.

I chose not to volunteer to clean up after the concert. And I
didn't see anyone else
that looked like they plan to clean up. [ Personally, I feel that
the recycling effort needed
more volunteers, as it appeared to me after each evening festivities, that all 
recyclable items were mixed in with the overall trash. ]

I think cavers at camp partied till 2 in the morning or longer.
But I was wiped out by
the end of the show and went to bed.

Thursday, I did some volunteering by going to San Antonio to pick up a van.
Ann Scott is doing a remarkable job with the vans.  I was
surprised by the high
quality of the vans.   [ I appeared to me that Ann's job, was a lot
harder than anyone
could have ever imagined, as so many vans had to be brought from the north side
of San Antonio to the Schreiner campus.But I will let someone else tell that
story. ]


Later, I tried to volunteer at other things, but ended up selling wine
for ICS. I was told that my
sales techniques sold bottles that would have otherwise not been sold.

I went to the first Salon. The theatre was awesome. Whoever selected
this facility deserves a standing ovation. George ??

This was the best of 8 Salons that I have been to so far. Bob
Richards one best of show with
his cave atlas of Lewis & Clark Caverns.  I think Jason Gulley won
a photo award for his shot of
a vertical caver in an ice crevice.   I did not agree with the best
photo, but they were all so good, that choosing one
must be difficult.   For me, it boils down to which one you would
most want to blow up and hang in your
best spot in your house.

Afterwards,

I tried to volunteer to drive a van for the 2nd Photo Salon.  I
ended up going in to
town with 3 other cavers and eating at a restaurant for the 1st time
in 7 days. I had
been on a sardine diet for most of the week, and it was a pleasure to scarf 
down real food.
This dinner gave me an opportunity to socialize with a relative of a 
cave-o

Re: [Texascavers] ICS - personal observations - part 2

[Charles Goldsmith]

I haven't seen much of the ICS myself, too few of volunteers :)  We
have several working very hard though, many thanks!!

I picked up the nickname today of beerman, so far, we have gone
through 22 kegs of beer, and tomorrows concert should be a big event,
so a lot of beer will be available!!

Saw part of the Texascvavers movie, and what I saw (about 25 mins
worth) was awesome, so picked up the DVD and will finish it when I get
home.  I had to leave the movie to go help setup the Howdy party,
which floated 11 kegs in a bit over 3 hours!

I did get to check out most of the vendors, lots of very cool stuff
available and I wish I had more money to spend, silly budgets.  The
food is decent at the school, I think it helps that the main cafeteria
is all you can eat, it seems busy at every meal.

Now, please, if you are in line for beer, please don't spill beer on
whoever is serving it to you :)

Charles

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:01 PM, David wrote:
> This is more of a personal story about my experience
> here at ICS.
>
> I arrived at Groad Hollow on Friday afternoon, the 17th.
>
> I staked my claim to a small cluster of trees that seemed to
> be shady and within 150 feet of the showers.     It wasn't
> as flat as I would have liked, but it was suitable.
>
> Upon organizing my spot to put my gear, I noticed there
> was quite a lot of fresh deer poop on the ground where I
> wanted to sleep.     I decided to ignore it and just keep
> stepping on it.
>
> There were also small metal items poking out of the ground,
> which I fortunately found before injuring my toes, one of them
> being a 3 foot piece of rusted rebar buried horizontally and sticking
> out of the ground right at toe level.
>
> I spent Friday evening socializing around camp with other campers,
> and helping out where ever I saw a need.
>
> Saturday, I helped Bill Mixon assemble his cave.    It was
> hot and we really needed 2 more laborers.    Eventually some showed
> up and it was finished.    But I didn't see anybody get into it until the
> Howdy Party.
>
> After building the cave box, I volunteered to test all the hammocks around 
> camp,
> and within an hour or 2, I found one that put me right to sleep.
>
> Sunday, cavers began arriving who lacked camping gear.    I set
> up Andres from Costa Rica, with camping gear, and then
> later a caver from Cuba or Puerto Rico ( I forgot which ).   I also
> helped a little when the Ukranians arrived.    And I loaned a 3rd
> tent to a girl who is the daughter of some cavers from West Virginia,
> whose name escapes me at the moment, Rich ?
>
> 2 cavers from Mexico arrived ( but living in San Antonio ) and they
> didn't have a very good tent, so I loaned out my 4th tent to them.
>
> Meanwhile, I had a mini yard-sale at my camp either loaning stuff, or giving
> stuff away for free, but selling very little of it.    I also gave
> away extra ice
> and food for 2 or 3 cavers.
>
>
> During the past 4 days, I have spent 90 per cent of my time at Groad Hollow,
> and missed quite a bit of ICS.    Some of that time was spent socializing,
> and some of it was either spent in the showers or the hot tub, or cool pool.
>
> I can say without a doubt that Pete Strickland has done a remarkable job
> in the area around the hot tub.     It seems like he did the work of 10
> volunteers.     I have tried to enjoy the hot tub and pool, as much as 
> possible.
>
> Gil Ediger erected a circus tent at Groad Hollow, and this work, created an
> atmosphere where cavers felt comfortable socializing in the heat and the rain.
>
> Bob Cowell's showers are great for cooling off in the mid-afternoon heat.
>
> Monday afternoon, a storm was approaching.    I knew the storm
> was coming but gambled it wouldn't be anything to worry about.    I was over 
> at
> the viewing of the cave photo entries and getting ready to watch the
> caver movie -
> Texas Cavers. Kevin McGowan called me and told me the storm was severe
> and would be here
> any minute.    I barely made it back
> to camp in time to protect everything, but the storm was a major 
> inconvenience.
> A mexican caver named Jazmin was a great help in saving my stuff from the 
> storm.
> My pancho was packed away some where and I was cold and wet, so I jumped
> in the hot tub to warm my body back up, but it was not lit.     I sat
> there in the rain, wondering what I should
> be doing next, and then realized I had not yet received my
> registration card and they
> were about to close, and I would not be able to go to the Howdy Party.
>
> Somewhere in that, I missed the Texas Cavers movie premier.
>
> So I rushed back to registration, and back to camp to get ready for the Howdy
> Party.    I showed up about 45 minutes before it started, but I was too late 
> to
> volunteer for the preparations.     I ended up working a beer keg,
> which the people
> in line seemed to be much appreciative of.     I missed the cowboy roping 
> show,
> as I could not see it.    I never even got a drop of beer, but 

Re: [Texascavers] ICS - personal observations - part 2

[Chad Fenner]

-
David wrote:

This is more of a personal story about my experience
here at ICS.

I arrived at Groad Hollow on Friday afternoon, the 17th.

I staked my claim to a small cluster of trees that seemed to
be shady and within 150 feet of the showers. It wasn't
as flat as I would have liked, but it was suitable.

Upon organizing my spot to put my gear, I noticed there
was quite a lot of fresh deer poop on the ground where I
wanted to sleep. I decided to ignore it and just keep
stepping on it.

There were also small metal items poking out of the ground,
which I fortunately found before injuring my toes, one of them
being a 3 foot piece of rusted rebar buried horizontally and sticking
out of the ground right at toe level.

I spent Friday evening socializing around camp with other campers,
and helping out where ever I saw a need.

Saturday, I helped Bill Mixon assemble his cave.It was
hot and we really needed 2 more laborers.Eventually some showed
up and it was finished.But I didn't see anybody get into it until the
Howdy Party.

After building the cave box, I volunteered to test all the hammocks around camp,
and within an hour or 2, I found one that put me right to sleep.

Sunday, cavers began arriving who lacked camping gear.I set
up Andres from Costa Rica, with camping gear, and then
later a caver from Cuba or Puerto Rico ( I forgot which ).   I also
helped a little when the Ukranians arrived.And I loaned a 3rd
tent to a girl who is the daughter of some cavers from West Virginia,
whose name escapes me at the moment, Rich ?

2 cavers from Mexico arrived ( but living in San Antonio ) and they
didn't have a very good tent, so I loaned out my 4th tent to them.

Meanwhile, I had a mini yard-sale at my camp either loaning stuff, or giving
stuff away for free, but selling very little of it.I also gave
away extra ice
and food for 2 or 3 cavers.


During the past 4 days, I have spent 90 per cent of my time at Groad Hollow,
and missed quite a bit of ICS.Some of that time was spent socializing,
and some of it was either spent in the showers or the hot tub, or cool pool.

I can say without a doubt that Pete Strickland has done a remarkable job
in the area around the hot tub. It seems like he did the work of 10
volunteers. I have tried to enjoy the hot tub and pool, as much as possible.

Gil Ediger erected a circus tent at Groad Hollow, and this work, created an
atmosphere where cavers felt comfortable socializing in the heat and the rain.

Bob Cowell's showers are great for cooling off in the mid-afternoon heat.

Monday afternoon, a storm was approaching.I knew the storm
was coming but gambled it wouldn't be anything to worry about.I was over at
the viewing of the cave photo entries and getting ready to watch the
caver movie -
Texas Cavers. Kevin McGowan called me and told me the storm was severe
and would be here
any minute.I barely made it back
to camp in time to protect everything, but the storm was a major inconvenience.
A mexican caver named Jazmin was a great help in saving my stuff from the storm.
My pancho was packed away some where and I was cold and wet, so I jumped
in the hot tub to warm my body back up, but it was not lit. I sat
there in the rain, wondering what I should
be doing next, and then realized I had not yet received my
registration card and they
were about to close, and I would not be able to go to the Howdy Party.

Somewhere in that, I missed the Texas Cavers movie premier.

So I rushed back to registration, and back to camp to get ready for the Howdy
Party.I showed up about 45 minutes before it started, but I was too late to
volunteer for the preparations. I ended up working a beer keg,
which the people
in line seemed to be much appreciative of. I missed the cowboy roping show,
as I could not see it.I never even got a drop of beer, but I
seldom drink beer anyways.

The Howdy Party was great fun.I danced 2 or 3 times, and enjoyed
listening to
the band.   And made a few new caver friends.

The band stopped playing and the crowd scattered. A few cavers socialized
for about an hour, but then the last caver strolled away.   I stayed
and folded the
remaining chairs and tables and stuffed them along the walls and
picked up some trash.
( It reminded me of that roadie song by Jackson Browne. )

I turned off the lights about 3 hours after the band stopped playing,
and went and took
what seemed like an ice-cold shower.That was the 1st time in 4
days, that I really
wanted a hot shower.

I slept late Tuesday, and then tried to dry out my gear.The main
problem was most
of it was coated in muddy deer poop, especially my cot.

Tuesday afternoon, my mini yard-sale had some visitors.I made at
least $ 100 which
I plan to donate towards the pay off of Punkin Cave.Unfortunately,
that was about
$ 300 worth of stuff.

I eventually made it over to some of the ICS functions. The maps
a

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Don Arburn]

What Golf Cart?

On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:47 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:


Don Arburn wrote:

Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that.


I volunteered to pick up cute caver chicks. I could do that in the  
golf cart.


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Charles Goldsmith]

Sure they do Linda, you just gotta talk or rub them the right way :)

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Linda Palit wrote:
> Cute caver chicks don't play golf.  They also don't cluck.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:48 PM
> To: TSA Cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS
>
> Don Arburn wrote:
>> Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that.
>>
>
> I volunteered to pick up cute caver chicks. I could do that in the golf
> cart.
>
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> Lyndon Tiu
>

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[Linda Palit]

Cute caver chicks don't play golf.  They also don't cluck.

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From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:48 PM
To: TSA Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Don Arburn wrote:
> Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that.
> 

I volunteered to pick up cute caver chicks. I could do that in the golf 
cart.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Lyndon Tiu]

Don Arburn wrote:

Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that.



I volunteered to pick up cute caver chicks. I could do that in the golf 
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Don Arburn]

What golf cart?

On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:


I'm doing it for the golf cart!

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Don Arburn  wrote:
Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that.

On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Jon wrote:


So how much time should a volunteer put in to get a free pass?
One day work?  But want about those that have worked for a week?
But then there is the person that did help that afternoon with all  
that tot-and-carry.
shouldn't they also get a free pass?  Or maybe if you are just an  
officer like a sec or president?  Maybe it should be folks that put  
in a lot of hard work, or maybe not.  maybe those that put in long  
hours and didn't sweat?  It gets so hard to draw that line.  I  
wouldn't want to point to one and say you pay and the other and say  
your free.

We all pay but then some get to be called "Volunteers".


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Travis Scott  wrote:

From: Travis Scott 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS
To:
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:34 AM

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary  
frustration, the volunteers that are using this "special  
registration" are only allowed to assist in leading trips, or  
whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not get to go to the  
parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get to  
enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the  
ICS, they are very limited on what they can do.


  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS  
insurance so that they could help us lead the trips.  In fact,  
without these people, there would be half of the caving trips that  
we have offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go caving, chances are  
that the trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some of these  
volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the  
ICS that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.


Travis

Don Cooper wrote:


Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have  
volunteered through the whole thing and not registered, but not  
with my head held high.  Not when so many others HAVE paid  
essentially to work for free.


-WaV

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu   
wrote:
They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy  
howdy.



I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the  
ICS but are NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS  
registration (parties, free beer, banquets, etc.).


We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the  
ICS for free.


FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I  
think volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my  
opinion.




On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
>> wrote:


   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count  
too.



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Don Arburn]

Volunteers get to say they did. I'm good with that.

On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Jon wrote:


So how much time should a volunteer put in to get a free pass?
One day work?  But want about those that have worked for a week?
But then there is the person that did help that afternoon with all  
that tot-and-carry.
shouldn't they also get a free pass?  Or maybe if you are just an  
officer like a sec or president?  Maybe it should be folks that put  
in a lot of hard work, or maybe not.  maybe those that put in long  
hours and didn't sweat?  It gets so hard to draw that line.  I  
wouldn't want to point to one and say you pay and the other and say  
your free.

We all pay but then some get to be called "Volunteers".


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Travis Scott  wrote:

From: Travis Scott 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS
To:
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:34 AM

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary  
frustration, the volunteers that are using this "special  
registration" are only allowed to assist in leading trips, or  
whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not get to go to the  
parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get to  
enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the  
ICS, they are very limited on what they can do.


  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance  
so that they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these  
people, there would be half of the caving trips that we have  
offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go caving, chances are that the  
trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some of these  
volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the  
ICS that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.


Travis

Don Cooper wrote:


Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have  
volunteered through the whole thing and not registered, but not  
with my head held high.  Not when so many others HAVE paid  
essentially to work for free.


-WaV

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu   
wrote:

They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.


I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the  
ICS but are NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS  
registration (parties, free beer, banquets, etc.).


We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the  
ICS for free.


FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I  
think volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my  
opinion.




On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca 
>> wrote:


   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count  
too.



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Jon]

So how much time should a volunteer put in to get a free pass?
One day work?  But want about those that have worked for a week?
But then there is the person that did help that afternoon with all that 
tot-and-carry.
shouldn't they also get a free pass?  Or maybe if you are just an officer like 
a sec or president?  Maybe it should be folks that put in a lot of hard work, 
or maybe not.  maybe those that put in long hours and didn't sweat?  It gets so 
hard to draw that line.  I wouldn't want to point to one and say you pay and 
the other and say your free.
We all pay but then some get to be called "Volunteers". 


--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Travis Scott  wrote:


From: Travis Scott 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS
To: 
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:34 AM


Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration, the 
volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only allowed to 
assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not 
get to go to the parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get 
to enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the ICS, they 
are very limited on what they can do.

  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance so that 
they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these people, there would 
be half of the caving trips that we have offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go 
caving, chances are that the trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some 
of these volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the ICS 
that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.  

Travis

Don Cooper wrote: 
Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have volunteered 
through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head held high.  
Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.  

-WaV


On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:



They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.


I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but are 
NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties, free beer, 
banquets, etc.).

We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for free.

FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think 
volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion. 





On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:

   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS volunteers

[philipmoss]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0500 Simon Newton 
writes:
I believe the mileage is tax deductible, since they have non-profit
designation.  Doesn't help you much if you don't do itemized taxes
though. (BTW - you can probably recover mileage on your taxes from some
of your volunteer cave projects)

I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer discounts
or a free pass to the volunteers.  Heck, at all the big music festivals
you can volunteer a few hours a day in return for a free ticket
(bonnaroo, glastonbury, coachella).

Simon




I am not sure what the UIS rules are about discounts and free admission. 
However, the NSS has very clear rules that the NSS does not permit
volunteers free access to the NSS convention.  I say this only to make it
clear that this was not something that the ICS organizing committee
decided for themselves.  For better or worse, the NSS expects its
volunteers to give both time and money.

And if you deduct your mileage, you generally have to deduct it at the
volunteer rate.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[caverarch]

Lyndon,



You deserve them! ?My knee injury, etc., has restricted volunterring to one day 
(yesterday, with you and the rest of the sign-making crew) and I'm getting one 
shirt. ?It hardly seems fair!




Roger Moore


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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS








On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0500 csnew...@gmail.com wrote:
> I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer
> discounts or a
> free pass to the volunteers. 

If it's any consolation, I am getting 2 free t-shirts for volunteering ;)

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Lyndon Tiu]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:00:31 -0500 csnew...@gmail.com wrote:
> I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer
> discounts or a
> free pass to the volunteers. 

If it's any consolation, I am getting 2 free t-shirts for volunteering ;)

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Gill Edigar]

The point is still that nobody (well, nearly nobody) can get a free ride for
an event like this, no matter how much they volunteer. The meeting of
financial obligations requires that money be collected from all who
officially register for the event--again, no matter how much time and effort
they volunteer. Volunteers can be considered to be serving above and beyond
the call of duty but still they pay full price if they are going to attend
the event. Those extraneous volunteers who are not going to attend the event
can and will be dealt with on a special basis as required by the
peculiarities of the event and by unique and special arrangements.
It's the same with TCR and TSA Convention and other such events. Even the
cooks and registration workers are expected to register and pay the
registration fee. They may be reimbursed for out-of-pocket expenses but are
not supposed to be getting in for free--though inevitably some do due to
sloppy registration practices. We have never been severely overbearing when
it comes to registration enforcement. We trust our Texas cavers to put logic
and sense of duty above personal hyperbole.

If not, with some events, everybody would have to be let in for free and no
money would be collected. It's important to remember this philosophy should
you ever come into a position of power and have to explain the concept to
those errant souls who think that their volunteer efforts should be
equivalent to the price of registration. Remember to tell them that if they
volunteered for 6 hours at $10 an hour we would have to be paying them to
attend and not making any money at all to pay event expenses--which are
sometimes substantial.

--Ediger

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[Simon Newton]

I believe the mileage is tax deductible, since they have non-profit
designation.  Doesn't help you much if you don't do itemized taxes though.
(BTW - you can probably recover mileage on your taxes from some of your
volunteer cave projects)

I agree with others though - it would have been good to offer discounts or a
free pass to the volunteers.  Heck, at all the big music festivals you can
volunteer a few hours a day in return for a free ticket (bonnaroo,
glastonbury, coachella).

Simon

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From: Geary Schindel 
To: Matt Turner , "Cavers, Texas" <
Texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:38:51 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] ICS

Matt,



Aren’t you paying with your gas money to drive to and from A&M and the
convention all for the privilege of taking a bunch of folks caving in caves
you’re already seen.



Anyway, thanks for your hard work.



Geary

RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[Geary Schindel]

Matt,

We’ll, Austin, A&M, there pretty much the same schools – LOL’s.  Anyway, you 
and many other volunteers are donating their time and money to really make this 
a success.  I’m sorry you won’t be able to attend.  I was only able to attend 
the 1980 ICS in Bowling Green on the first weekend so I know how it feels.  I 
was trying to finish up school while everyone else was at the convention.  
However, for me, it was a 7 hour drive one way for a weekend of the congress.

Geary

From: Matt Turner [mailto:kat...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:43 AM
To: Cavers, Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Well sorta,

I'm only coming from Austin. Though we do have a lot of ASS helping out too and 
making this possible.

Thanks for the note,
Matt Turner

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle

"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale



From: Geary Schindel 
To: Matt Turner ; "Cavers, Texas" 

Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:38:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] ICS
Matt,

Aren’t you paying with your gas money to drive to and from A&M and the 
convention all for the privilege of taking a bunch of folks caving in caves 
you’re already seen.

Anyway, thanks for your hard work.

Geary

From: Matt Turner [mailto:kat...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:56 AM
To: Cavers, Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Everyone,

To put a face to the nameless "freeriders", I will say I am one of them. Though 
as Travis pointed out I don't get the fun that comes with registering. Here's 
what we get for our "Freeride".

Me and my co-trip lead will get the lovely opportunity to get to ICS on 
Saturday to have a cave trip leader meeting. Next we get the enviable ability 
to go check into our hotel(paid for by US not ICS). Now for the part that will 
make you all so jealous. I get to get up at like 6am to make sure the van is 
loaded and ready for the trip on Sunday. Then I get to drive to Colorado Bend 
State Park and take people on a tour of different caves. Of course next is the 
drive back. Then this sunday I get to drive home to make it to work on Monday.

Finally I get to rinse and repeat this the following weekend as well.

Don't get me wrong I'm more than excited to do this and to help out, but I just 
want anyone who feels put out to realize that it's not what you're imagining. I 
realize many of you will be volunteering all week long and will be paying to be 
there to do this. I would have done the same if I could have afforded the time 
off, but I couldn't, so this is how i could help out.

Sorry if my help pisses some of you off, don't worry I know some out there 
appreciate it,
Matt Turner

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle

"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale


____________
From: Travis Scott 
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:34:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration, the 
volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only allowed to 
assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not 
get to go to the parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get 
to enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the ICS, they 
are very limited on what they can do.

  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance so that 
they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these people, there would 
be half of the caving trips that we have offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go 
caving, chances are that the trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some 
of these volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the ICS 
that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.

Travis

Don Cooper wrote:
Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have volunteered 
through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head held high.  
Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.

-WaV
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu 
mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:
They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.

I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but are 
NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties, free beer, 
banquets, etc.).

We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for free.

FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think 
volunteers should get 

Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Matt Turner]

Well sorta,

I'm only coming from Austin. Though we do have a lot of ASS helping out too and 
making this possible. 

Thanks for the note, Matt Turner 


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle


"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale 





From: Geary Schindel 
To: Matt Turner ; "Cavers, Texas" 

Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:38:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] ICS


Matt,
 
Aren’t you paying with your gas money to drive to and from A&M and the 
convention all for the privilege of taking a bunch of folks caving in caves 
you’re already seen.
 
Anyway, thanks for your hard work. 
 
Geary
 
From:Matt Turner [mailto:kat...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:56 AM
To: Cavers, Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS
 
Everyone,
 
To put a face to the nameless "freeriders", I will say I am one of them. Though 
as Travis pointed out I don't get the fun that comes with registering. Here's 
what we get for our "Freeride".
 
Me and my co-trip lead will get the lovely opportunity to get to ICS on 
Saturday to have a cave trip leader meeting. Next we get the enviable ability 
to go check into our hotel(paid for by US not ICS). Now for the part that will 
make you all so jealous. I get to get up at like 6am to make sure the van is 
loaded and ready for the trip on Sunday. Then I get to drive to Colorado Bend 
State Park and take people on a tour of different caves. Of course next is the 
drive back. Then this sunday I get to drive home to make it to work on Monday. 
 
Finally I get to rinse and repeat this the following weekend as well. 
 
Don't get me wrong I'm more than excited to do this and to help out, but I just 
want anyone who feels put out to realize that it's not what you're imagining. I 
realize many of you will be volunteering all week long and will be paying to be 
there to do this. I would have done the same if I could have afforded the time 
off, but I couldn't, so this is how i could help out. 
 
Sorry if my help pisses some of you off, don't worry I know some out there 
appreciate it, 
Matt Turner 
 
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle
 
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale 
 
 

________________

From:Travis Scott 
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:34:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration, the 
volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only allowed to 
assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not 
get to go to the parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get 
to enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the ICS, they 
are very limited on what they can do.

  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance so that 
they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these people, there would 
be half of the caving trips that we have offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go 
caving, chances are that the trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some 
of these volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the ICS 
that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.  

Travis

Don Cooper wrote: 
Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have volunteered 
through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head held high.  
Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.  

-WaV
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.
 
I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but are 
NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties, free beer, 
banquets, etc.).

We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for free.

FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think 
volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion. 



On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:

   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.

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RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[Geary Schindel]

Matt,

Aren't you paying with your gas money to drive to and from A&M and the 
convention all for the privilege of taking a bunch of folks caving in caves 
you're already seen.

Anyway, thanks for your hard work.

Geary

From: Matt Turner [mailto:kat...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:56 AM
To: Cavers, Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Everyone,

To put a face to the nameless "freeriders", I will say I am one of them. Though 
as Travis pointed out I don't get the fun that comes with registering. Here's 
what we get for our "Freeride".

Me and my co-trip lead will get the lovely opportunity to get to ICS on 
Saturday to have a cave trip leader meeting. Next we get the enviable ability 
to go check into our hotel(paid for by US not ICS). Now for the part that will 
make you all so jealous. I get to get up at like 6am to make sure the van is 
loaded and ready for the trip on Sunday. Then I get to drive to Colorado Bend 
State Park and take people on a tour of different caves. Of course next is the 
drive back. Then this sunday I get to drive home to make it to work on Monday.

Finally I get to rinse and repeat this the following weekend as well.

Don't get me wrong I'm more than excited to do this and to help out, but I just 
want anyone who feels put out to realize that it's not what you're imagining. I 
realize many of you will be volunteering all week long and will be paying to be 
there to do this. I would have done the same if I could have afforded the time 
off, but I couldn't, so this is how i could help out.

Sorry if my help pisses some of you off, don't worry I know some out there 
appreciate it,
Matt Turner

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle

"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale


____
From: Travis Scott 
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:34:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration, the 
volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only allowed to 
assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not 
get to go to the parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get 
to enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the ICS, they 
are very limited on what they can do.

  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance so that 
they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these people, there would 
be half of the caving trips that we have offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go 
caving, chances are that the trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some 
of these volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the ICS 
that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.

Travis

Don Cooper wrote:
Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have volunteered 
through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head held high.  
Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.

-WaV
On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu 
mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:
They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.

I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but are 
NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties, free beer, 
banquets, etc.).

We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for free.

FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think 
volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion.


On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu 
mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca> 
<mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca<mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>>> wrote:

   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Matt Turner]

Everyone,

To put a face to the nameless "freeriders", I will say I am one of them. Though 
as Travis pointed out I don't get the fun that comes with registering. Here's 
what we get for our "Freeride".

Me and my co-trip lead will get the lovely opportunity to get to ICS on 
Saturday to have a cave trip leader meeting. Next we get the enviable ability 
to go check into our hotel(paid for by US not ICS). Now for the part that will 
make you all so jealous. I get to get up at like 6am to make sure the van is 
loaded and ready for the trip on Sunday. Then I get to drive to Colorado Bend 
State Park and take people on a tour of different caves. Of course next is the 
drive back. Then this sunday I get to drive home to make it to work on Monday. 

Finally I get to rinse and repeat this the following weekend as well. 

Don't get me wrong I'm more than excited to do this and to help out, but I just 
want anyone who feels put out to realize that it's not what you're imagining. I 
realize many of you will be volunteering all week long and will be paying to be 
there to do this. I would have done the same if I could have afforded the time 
off, but I couldn't, so this is how i could help out. 

Sorry if my help pisses some of you off, don't worry I know some out there 
appreciate it, Matt Turner 


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle


"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale 





From: Travis Scott 
Cc: "Cavers, Texas" 
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:34:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration, the 
volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only allowed to 
assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered to do.  They do not 
get to go to the parties, talks, and other events that the paying folk will get 
to enjoy.  So don't feel like they are "getting a free ride" into the ICS, they 
are very limited on what they can do.

  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance so that 
they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these people, there would 
be half of the caving trips that we have offered.  So if you pay the $15 and go 
caving, chances are that the trip you are on is ONLY possible because of some 
of these volunteers, so be thankful!  They are playing a large role in the ICS 
that many of the paid people aren't willing or able to do.  

Travis

Don Cooper wrote: 
Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have volunteered 
through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head held high.  
Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.  
>
>-WaV
>
>
>On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:
>
>They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.
>>>
>>
>>I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but are 
>>NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties, free 
>>beer, banquets, etc.).
>>
>>We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for free.
>>
>>FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think 
>>volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu ><mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
>>>   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Travis Scott]

Everyone, just to make it clear and ease any unnecessary frustration,
the volunteers that are using this "special registration" are only
allowed to assist in leading trips, or whatever they have volunteered
to do.  They do not get to go to the parties, talks, and other events
that the paying folk will get to enjoy.  So don't feel like they are
"getting a free ride" into the ICS, they are very limited on what they
can do.

  They were given the registration to cover them under ICS insurance so
that they could help us lead the trips.  In fact, without these people,
there would be half of the caving trips that we have offered.  So if
you pay the $15 and go caving, chances are that the trip you are on is
ONLY possible because of some of these volunteers, so be thankful! 
They are playing a large role in the ICS that many of the paid people
aren't willing or able to do.  

Travis

Don Cooper wrote:
Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I
could have volunteered through the whole thing and not registered, but
not with my head held high.  Not when so many others HAVE paid
essentially to work for free.  
  
-WaV
  
  On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu 
wrote:
  

They
should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.




I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS
but are NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration
(parties, free beer, banquets, etc.).

We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS
for free.

FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think
volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion.





On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu > wrote:
  
   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.
  


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RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[Linda Palit]

 

ICS is a big event, and much labor is required.  This last week is a bit
stressful for some doing the planning and details.  And it is especially
stressful when there is not enough help for some of the tasks.

All help is appreciated.  

 

Some people can volunteer more.  Some people can pay more.  Some people
would really like to come and help but cannot afford either the time or the
money.  And some people do not see it as their responsibility to so some or
any of that.  

 

Good thing we are not all alike.  The world would be boring.

 

From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:51 PM
To: Lyndon Tiu
Cc: Cavers, Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

 

Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have
volunteered through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head
held high.  Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.


-WaV

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.

 

I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but
are NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties,
free beer, banquets, etc.).

We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for
free.

FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think
volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion.





On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:

   Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
   leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Don Cooper]

Yeah, well maybe we should, but we're not.   Perhaps I could have
volunteered through the whole thing and not registered, but not with my head
held high.  Not when so many others HAVE paid essentially to work for free.


-WaV

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.
>>
>
>
> I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS but
> are NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration (parties,
> free beer, banquets, etc.).
>
> We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for
> free.
>
> FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think
> volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion.
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu > l...@alumni.sfu.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
>>leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Lyndon Tiu]

They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.



I don't think anyone is getting a free ride, they are helping the ICS 
but are NOT getting any of the benefits of a paid ICS registration 
(parties, free beer, banquets, etc.).


We should be glad they are giving some of their time to help the ICS for 
free.


FYI: I am registered (I paid my $200 back in Dec 2008) ... but I think 
volunteers should get a free ride. But that's totally my opinion.



On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu > wrote:


Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip
leaders/van drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Gill Edigar]

They should be registering--and paying. No free ride here, boy howdy.
--Ediger

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> Gill Edigar wrote:
>
>> Ya got your 3-digit temps and your WNS playing havoc wif your
>> registrators.
>>
>>
> Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip leaders/van
> drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Lyndon Tiu]

Gill Edigar wrote:

Ya got your 3-digit temps and your WNS playing havoc wif your registrators.



Plus the many Texas cavers who are volunteering (cave trip leaders/van 
drivers/Aggies) but are not registering. They count too.


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Gill Edigar]

Ya got your 3-digit temps and your WNS playing havoc wif your registrators.
--Ediger

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Denise P  wrote:

>  The website says 1273 people are registered to date. Did I hear the figure
> 2000 people being thrown around?
>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Lyndon Tiu]

> The website says 1273 people are registered to date. Did I hear the
> figure 2000 people being thrown around?
>

Go to the TSA website:

http://www.cavetexas.org/index.html

Go to the members area, go to the "Texas Caver Online" section (the 
electronic version of the Texas Caver) and look for the:


"2008 Quarter 3 (PDF) 14.9 MB"

Go to page 17, first paragraph, 4th sentence.

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Lyndon Tiu]

Wi-Fi? Cell-phone access? Haven't you people ever heard of vacations? -- 


For most of us volunteers, the week long ICS is not a vacation and 
having cell phone and internet access is important in coordinating our 
efforts.


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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Gill Edigar]

I had 4 bars in the campground today on my AT&T phone.--Ediger

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Scott Boyd  wrote:

> I was in Kerrville at the end of May, and yes - Verizon has good cellular
> service there. I am talking about VOICE service, not 3G service. Don't
> remember if there was good EVDO coverage or not. If you go south of town,
> Verizon coverage is spotty.
>
> Scott
>
> --- On *Fri, 7/10/09, redl...@arkansas.net * wrote:
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>
> From: redl...@arkansas.net 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
> To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:47 AM
>
> Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
> signals?  How about AT&T signals?
>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Scott Boyd]

I was in Kerrville at the end of May, and yes - Verizon has good cellular 
service there. I am talking about VOICE service, not 3G service. Don't remember 
if there was good EVDO coverage or not. If you go south of town, Verizon 
coverage is spotty.

Scott

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, redl...@arkansas.net  wrote:

From: redl...@arkansas.net 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 10:47 AM

Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
signals?  How about AT&T signals?

Dave Taylor

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Charles Goldsmith]

I was this morning, I'm in Austin now.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:56 PM,  wrote:
> Are you at Schreiner University?
>
> Bill
>
> --Original Message--
> From: Charles Goldsmith
> To: gv...@warpdriveonline.com
> Cc: redl...@arkansas.net
> Cc: TexasCavers
> Sent: Jul 10, 2009 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
>
> Per George, and I concur, AT&T EDGE only (2g not 3g) coverage, but its
> quite acceptable.
>
> I can't speak for the other companies either.
>
> I did some testing today of the wireless coverage on campus from the
> provided facilities of the university.  The quiet campground has a bit
> of coverage, the closer to the buildings that you get the better.  The
> loud campground had no signal at all, but moving close to the Moody
> building gave a good signal (as close as the street from the covered
> pavilion).
>
> Almost all of the buildings have wireless coverage and of course it
> "bleeds" out some, and there are a few places on campus where you can
> get between 2 or 3 buildings and have excellent signal.
>
> One note, the Gym does not have wireless at this time, their equipment
> has failed there.
>
> If anyone has questions, please let me know.
> Charles
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM,  wrote:
>> The list won't accept messages from my PDA so you're welcome to post this 
>> reply.
>> I use ATT and have good service in Kerrville and at the campus, but not 3G.
>>
>> I can't speak to the other companies, but know of no problems. All seem to 
>> work.
>>
>> George
>>
>> --Original Message--
>> From: redl...@arkansas.net
>> To: Charles Goldsmith
>> Cc: Texas Cavers
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
>> Sent: Jul 10, 2009 09:47
>>
>> Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
>> signals?  How about AT&T signals?
>>
>> Dave Taylor
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[speleosteele]

Are you at Schreiner University?

Bill

--Original Message--
From: Charles Goldsmith
To: gv...@warpdriveonline.com
Cc: redl...@arkansas.net
Cc: TexasCavers
Sent: Jul 10, 2009 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

Per George, and I concur, AT&T EDGE only (2g not 3g) coverage, but its
quite acceptable.

I can't speak for the other companies either.

I did some testing today of the wireless coverage on campus from the
provided facilities of the university.  The quiet campground has a bit
of coverage, the closer to the buildings that you get the better.  The
loud campground had no signal at all, but moving close to the Moody
building gave a good signal (as close as the street from the covered
pavilion).

Almost all of the buildings have wireless coverage and of course it
"bleeds" out some, and there are a few places on campus where you can
get between 2 or 3 buildings and have excellent signal.

One note, the Gym does not have wireless at this time, their equipment
has failed there.

If anyone has questions, please let me know.
Charles

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM,  wrote:
> The list won't accept messages from my PDA so you're welcome to post this 
> reply.
> I use ATT and have good service in Kerrville and at the campus, but not 3G.
>
> I can't speak to the other companies, but know of no problems. All seem to 
> work.
>
> George
>
> --Original Message--
> From: redl...@arkansas.net
> To: Charles Goldsmith
> Cc: Texas Cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
> Sent: Jul 10, 2009 09:47
>
> Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
> signals?  How about AT&T signals?
>
> Dave Taylor
>

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Charles Goldsmith]

Per George, and I concur, AT&T EDGE only (2g not 3g) coverage, but its
quite acceptable.

I can't speak for the other companies either.

I did some testing today of the wireless coverage on campus from the
provided facilities of the university.  The quiet campground has a bit
of coverage, the closer to the buildings that you get the better.  The
loud campground had no signal at all, but moving close to the Moody
building gave a good signal (as close as the street from the covered
pavilion).

Almost all of the buildings have wireless coverage and of course it
"bleeds" out some, and there are a few places on campus where you can
get between 2 or 3 buildings and have excellent signal.

One note, the Gym does not have wireless at this time, their equipment
has failed there.

If anyone has questions, please let me know.
Charles

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM,  wrote:
> The list won't accept messages from my PDA so you're welcome to post this 
> reply.
> I use ATT and have good service in Kerrville and at the campus, but not 3G.
>
> I can't speak to the other companies, but know of no problems. All seem to 
> work.
>
> George
>
> --Original Message--
> From: redl...@arkansas.net
> To: Charles Goldsmith
> Cc: Texas Cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
> Sent: Jul 10, 2009 09:47
>
> Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
> signals?  How about AT&T signals?
>
> Dave Taylor
>

Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[gveni]

The list won't accept messages from my PDA so you're welcome to post this 
reply. 
I use ATT and have good service in Kerrville and at the campus, but not 3G.

I can't speak to the other companies, but know of no problems. All seem to work.

George

--Original Message--
From: redl...@arkansas.net
To: Charles Goldsmith
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
Sent: Jul 10, 2009 09:47

Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
signals?  How about AT&T signals?

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[redlick]

Does anyone know if Kerrville and the Park have good Alltel/Verizon cell
signals?  How about AT&T signals?

Dave Taylor

RE: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Linda Palit]

Thanks, Charles.
This is a great service, and we will make lots of use of it as the problems
continue to develop and plague us!
But it will be a great congress.



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From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:26 PM
To: Lyndon Tiu
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

Internet Services

If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don't have
your own wireless connection, you have two options:

Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
to the university's wireless system.

Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
Internet.

These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
computers or import software or programs.

-

I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage.  I'm told that it
should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
info will be needed.  I'll have more info after my testing.

If anyone has questions, please let me know.

Charles




On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
>
>
> Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
>>
>> Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!
>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Joe Ranzau]

Thanks

Joe Ranzau

On Jul 9, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Charles Goldsmith   
wrote:



Not a problem Joe, just trying to do my part :)

Luckily, work needs me at our Austin office tomorrow, so they are
paying for the trip.

Since you are the committee chair that I fall under, I'm guessing that
I will report to you for anything you need.  I'll be arriving sometime
in the afternoon on the 17th for ICS and leaving on the 26th.  I'll be
available for any troubleshooting needed by anyone during the entire
event.

My cell is 214-532-1688 and I've saved up enough roll over minutes
that I can use this the entire time without worrying.  This will be
the best way to contact me and I would suggest putting it in the daily
flyer.  I'll also be powering on and off the provided computers and
doing tech support for that.

If you have questions, let me know
Charles

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:

Thanks for handling this!

Joe Ranzau

On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Charles Goldsmith  
 wrote:



Internet Services

If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t 
 have

your own wireless connection, you have two options:

Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the  
buildings,
especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by  
Acorn

Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
to the university’s wireless system…

Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
Internet.

These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours  
from

8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
computers or import software or programs.

-

I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical  
staff

and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage.  I'm told that it
should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special  
login

info will be needed.  I'll have more info after my testing.

If anyone has questions, please let me know.

Charles




On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu  
wrote:



Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?


On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:


Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Charles Goldsmith]

Not a problem Joe, just trying to do my part :)

Luckily, work needs me at our Austin office tomorrow, so they are
paying for the trip.

Since you are the committee chair that I fall under, I'm guessing that
I will report to you for anything you need.  I'll be arriving sometime
in the afternoon on the 17th for ICS and leaving on the 26th.  I'll be
available for any troubleshooting needed by anyone during the entire
event.

My cell is 214-532-1688 and I've saved up enough roll over minutes
that I can use this the entire time without worrying.  This will be
the best way to contact me and I would suggest putting it in the daily
flyer.  I'll also be powering on and off the provided computers and
doing tech support for that.

If you have questions, let me know
Charles

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Joe Ranzau wrote:
> Thanks for handling this!
>
> Joe Ranzau
>
> On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>
>> Internet Services
>>
>> If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t have
>> your own wireless connection, you have two options:
>>
>> Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
>> apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
>> campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
>> especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
>> Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
>> to the university’s wireless system…
>>
>> Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
>> computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
>> Internet.
>>
>> These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
>> 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
>> computers or import software or programs.
>>
>> -
>>
>> I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
>> and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage.  I'm told that it
>> should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
>> info will be needed.  I'll have more info after my testing.
>>
>> If anyone has questions, please let me know.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:

 Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Charles Goldsmith]

You're very welcome.  See you at the ICS.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rick Corbell wrote:
> Charles,
>
> I haven't met Jared that I remember. Dan handles issues at the PC level I
> guess.  Sorry to miss you this time but will see you at ICS.
>
> Thanks for all you do for us cavers.
>
> Rick Corbell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: wo...@justfamily.org
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:47:42 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
>> To: rlcorb...@hotmail.com
>>
>> I'll be meeting with Jared, since he's the networking person, but I'm
>> glad to hear that they are helpful.
>>
>> I won't be there Saturday, I'll only be in Kerrville tomorrow morning,
>> due to work, I'll be in Austin in the afternoon and back to Dallas for
>> Saturday.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Rick Corbell wrote:
>> > Charles,
>> >
>> > I have met  with Dan Brown of the Schreiner IS department on several
>> > occasions in the course of my A/V preparations and find him to be eager
>> > to
>> > be of help, as every one of their staff has been.   I think this is who
>> > you'll be meeting.
>> >
>> > If you are around Saturday, I hope to see you on campus.
>> >
>> > Rick Corbell-- ICS A/V coordinator  cell-210-313-6084
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: wo...@justfamily.org
>> >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:25:53 -0500
>> >> To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca
>> >> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> >> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
>> >>
>> >> Internet Services
>> >>
>> >> If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t have
>> >> your own wireless connection, you have two options:
>> >>
>> >> Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
>> >> apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
>> >> campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
>> >> especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
>> >> Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
>> >> to the university’s wireless system…
>> >>
>> >> Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
>> >> computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
>> >> Internet.
>> >>
>> >> These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
>> >> 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
>> >> computers or import software or programs.
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >>
>> >> I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
>> >> and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage. I'm told that it
>> >> should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
>> >> info will be needed. I'll have more info after my testing.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has questions, please let me know.
>> >>
>> >> Charles
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Rick Corbell]

Charles,

 

I haven't met Jared that I remember. Dan handles issues at the PC level I 
guess.  Sorry to miss you this time but will see you at ICS.

 

Thanks for all you do for us cavers.

Rick Corbell
 




 

> From: wo...@justfamily.org
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:47:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
> To: rlcorb...@hotmail.com
> 
> I'll be meeting with Jared, since he's the networking person, but I'm
> glad to hear that they are helpful.
> 
> I won't be there Saturday, I'll only be in Kerrville tomorrow morning,
> due to work, I'll be in Austin in the afternoon and back to Dallas for
> Saturday.
> 
> Charles
> 
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Rick Corbell wrote:
> > Charles,
> >
> > I have met  with Dan Brown of the Schreiner IS department on several
> > occasions in the course of my A/V preparations and find him to be eager to
> > be of help, as every one of their staff has been.   I think this is who
> > you'll be meeting.
> >
> > If you are around Saturday, I hope to see you on campus.
> >
> > Rick Corbell-- ICS A/V coordinator  cell-210-313-6084
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: wo...@justfamily.org
> >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:25:53 -0500
> >> To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca
> >> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> >> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
> >>
> >> Internet Services
> >>
> >> If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t have
> >> your own wireless connection, you have two options:
> >>
> >> Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
> >> apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
> >> campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
> >> especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
> >> Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
> >> to the university’s wireless system…
> >>
> >> Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
> >> computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
> >> Internet.
> >>
> >> These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
> >> 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
> >> computers or import software or programs.
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
> >> and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage. I'm told that it
> >> should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
> >> info will be needed. I'll have more info after my testing.
> >>
> >> If anyone has questions, please let me know.
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Charles Goldsmith]

I'll be meeting with Jared, since he's the networking person, but I'm
glad to hear that they are helpful.

I won't be there Saturday, I'll only be in Kerrville tomorrow morning,
due to work, I'll be in Austin in the afternoon and back to Dallas for
Saturday.

Charles

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Rick Corbell wrote:
> Charles,
>
> I have met  with Dan Brown of the Schreiner IS department on several
> occasions in the course of my A/V preparations and find him to be eager to
> be of help, as every one of their staff has been.   I think this is who
> you'll be meeting.
>
> If you are around Saturday, I hope to see you on campus.
>
> Rick Corbell-- ICS A/V coordinator  cell-210-313-6084
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: wo...@justfamily.org
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:25:53 -0500
>> To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca
>> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
>>
>> Internet Services
>>
>> If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t have
>> your own wireless connection, you have two options:
>>
>> Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
>> apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
>> campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
>> especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
>> Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
>> to the university’s wireless system…
>>
>> Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
>> computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
>> Internet.
>>
>> These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
>> 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
>> computers or import software or programs.
>>
>> -
>>
>> I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
>> and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage. I'm told that it
>> should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
>> info will be needed. I'll have more info after my testing.
>>
>> If anyone has questions, please let me know.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lyndon Tiu
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Joe Ranzau]

Thanks for handling this!

Joe Ranzau

On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Charles Goldsmith   
wrote:



Internet Services

If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t ha 
ve

your own wireless connection, you have two options:

Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
to the university’s wireless system…

Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
Internet.

These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
computers or import software or programs.

-

I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage.  I'm told that it
should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
info will be needed.  I'll have more info after my testing.

If anyone has questions, please let me know.

Charles




On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:



Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?


On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:


Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!



--
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access

[Rick Corbell]

Charles,

 

I have met  with Dan Brown of the Schreiner IS department on several occasions 
in the course of my A/V preparations and find him to be eager to be of help, as 
every one of their staff has been.   I think this is who you'll be meeting.  

 

If you are around Saturday, I hope to see you on campus.

Rick Corbell-- ICS A/V coordinator  cell-210-313-6084
 


 


 

> From: wo...@justfamily.org
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:25:53 -0500
> To: l...@alumni.sfu.ca
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Internet access
> 
> Internet Services
> 
> If you want access to the Internet during the Congress and don’t have
> your own wireless connection, you have two options:
> 
> Wireless: Free wireless Internet is available in all of the
> apartments, dormitories, and other buildings on Schreiner University
> campus. Some wireless signals are available outside of the buildings,
> especially in the middle of the campus within the loop formed by Acorn
> Road, but the signals will not reach into the campgrounds. To log on
> to the university’s wireless system…
> 
> Internet Rooms: If you do not have your own computer, there are
> computers in two locations that you can use for free to access the
> Internet.
> 
> These rooms and computers will be available during daytime hours from
> 8 a.m. until 6 p.m. Please do not change any of the settings on the
> computers or import software or programs.
> 
> -
> 
> I'll be at Schreiner tomorrow morning to meet with the technical staff
> and to evaluate the wireless and check coverage. I'm told that it
> should be an open access wireless, no passwords nor any special login
> info will be needed. I'll have more info after my testing.
> 
> If anyone has questions, please let me know.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Lyndon Tiu wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is there available Wi-Fi wireless on campus at the ICS?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 09:31:34 -0500 mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Pretty cool map, Scott, and very useful!
> >
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Driver Volunteers II

[Don Cooper]

Yeah - how to do a killfile on gmail

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:39 PM, David  wrote:

> I am just curious about what liability the volunteer faces when
> volunteering
> only to drive a rental vehicle from point A to B ?
>
> Are they legally responsible for the van in any way?
>
> What if they wreck?What if they are at fault ?
>
> What if another driver wrecks ?
>
> What if the van gets stolen ?
>
> What if the van gets pulled over by the police and one of the passengers
> says something to arise suspicion leading to the van being impounded ?
>
> Did I leave out anything ?
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Driver Volunteers II

[David]

I am just curious about what liability the volunteer faces when volunteering
only to drive a rental vehicle from point A to B ?

Are they legally responsible for the van in any way?

What if they wreck?What if they are at fault ?

What if another driver wrecks ?

What if the van gets stolen ?

What if the van gets pulled over by the police and one of the passengers
says something to arise suspicion leading to the van being impounded ?

Did I leave out anything ?

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Driver Volunteers II

[Kim Maloy]

I'll step up. Let me know when and where and I'll be there.

Kim

On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Don Arburn wrote:

Who will step up and be an afternoon driver for the Hotel Shuttle  
for the week?


Who will step up and help return vans on the 26th and 27th?

Who will help drive a van, multiple times, to the Photo Salon and  
the banquets on Thursday, Friday and Saturday Evenings?


Please?

Thanks!



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2009 15th Annual
International Congress of Speleology
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS - Do you like beer?!?

[tbsamsel]

Make sure they fit the kegs..
 
T.Jun 30, 2009 10:27:52 AM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:
Do you hate waiting in a really long line for free beer?  The ICS needs your help!  We are short a few keg taps and need assistance locating some reasonably priced ones.  If you have one you are willing to let us use for free that would be great!  Assuming most folks don't have a tap lying around...  Often they show up on Craigslist in Austin and other college towns for around $20-30 bucks...  Please contact me if you would be willing to do a bit of bargain hunting and pick up a couple for us. We would reimburse you for any approved purchases.  Talk to me first before buying.  If you could help out that would be awesome!Joej...@oztotl.com210.289.6839

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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Texas attendees

[George Veni]

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:49 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Texas attendees

I see at least 164 people from Texas have pre-registered for ICS. I don't
think they are all cavers.

( Disclaimer:   Some of these cavers may claim out of state grottos, but I
think they all live in Texas or claim to be from Texas, or something like
that. )...

Anyone is welcome to put this list in alphabetical order or any other order
that would be useful for the event.

**

For anyone interested in who is registered for the ICS, go to
https://secure.concentric.com/ics2009.us/register/whois/. By scrolling down
the page you'll find options to list people by registration number,
alphabetically, country, state, and trips. The last three list people
alphabetically. The information is in a database that allows easy sorting
and processing of the registrants' data as needed.

Currently, 199 people are registered from Texas. State affiliation on the
list is not based on grottos but on the person's mailing address. For
example, I still consider myself a Texas caver, but you'll find my name
listed under New Mexico.

Many people coming to the ICS are not cavers. They are cave and karst
scientists, managers, and educators. For many years there were two camps of
people working on cave and karst issues: those with caving backgrounds and
those without. Many of those on the caving side believed that non-cavers
couldn't grasp the realities and complexities of the karst environment, and
some couldn't. Many of those on the non-caving side believed that the cavers
were a bunch of enthusiasts who didn't have a good grasp of the science, and
some didn't. In recent years, there has been a healing of this artificial
rift. Both sides have important perspectives and insights to offer.

One of my goals with this ICS was to further bring those sides together, and
it is happening. Some of our symposia, meetings, field trips, and many of
the papers that will be presented will be from people on the non-caving
side. They have learned to appreciate the insights that caver scientists and
managers have, and do excellent work by bringing in ideas and information
that their caver counterparts never considered. The list of sponsors is
another example of bringing in people and organizations who are outside the
traditional caver circles. If we are to effectively study, manage, and
educate people about caves and karst, we'll be far more effective by
building partnerships with non-cavers, and the ICS is a big step in that
direction.

George



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Re: [Texascavers] ICS cave trip question

[JerryAtkin]

David,
 
No.
 
No.
 
No.
 
Need more info to answer your question.
 
Yes.
 
No, No.
 
You should be able to answer this one, but anyway : CWAN at 53.3 km from  
Kerrville.
 
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS cave trip question

[Travis Scott]

David and all,

After the changes from WNS, everything had to be rethunk.  We are 
finally beginning to finalize the trips (yes only a month out) and I 
plan to get an official daily schedule, which includes cave and trip 
descriptions, out in the coming weeks.  This includes a few of the caves 
you mentioned and more.  Unfortunately, due to summer bat populations, 
many good caves will not be visited during the ICS.  WNS complications 
closed even more caves.  We have worked hard to offer the best trips 
possible under these constraints and I believe we have a good schedule 
of trips to offer which exhibit the broad range of trips Texas has to 
offer.  As soon as I can, we'll get it publicized and get word out.


Travis


David wrote:

I don't think I am going to get to go caving this summer, but I am
curious about the
cave trips being offered at ICS.

Has anyone made a list of all the caves that are closed and also the
ones temporarily closed during ICS. I am just
curious if there is a formal list ?

Or would it be easier to have a formal list of caves that will be open ?

So far I have only heard "rumors" that there may be a trip in
Honeycreek upstream of the shaft, and of
trips to caves at Colorado Bend State Park.   And I heard a "rumor" of
a trip near Boerne.

But what about some of the major caves in Texas ?

Are any of the caves that are normally closed being opened for ICS ?

Indian Creek Cave, Valdina Farms Sinkhole, etc.

What is the closest open cave to Kerrville that is on the top long or deep list?
I have not visited any caves around there, except the one at Enchanted Rock,
and the lower passage in Cascade Caverns.



Speaking of rumors,

I heard that a band from Bandera is playing at the Howdy Party.   I am certain
I will at least show up for the Howdy Party.

Cheers,

David Locklear

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RE: [Texascavers] ICS preregistration

[George Veni]

The cut off is June 8th, not the 7th. The reasons are far from ridiculous.
Unlike an NSS Convention, ICS registration has a lot of complications with
dozens of trips, international quirks (like credit card companies declining
charges because they were made out of country without prior approval),
special registration options, translating messages, etc. that often take
huge amounts of extra time. About one third of the registrations we get
mailed or faxed in have errors (no expiration dates for credit cards,
contradictory information, wrong information, etc.). On top of that, we have
the unprecedented issue of refunding and rearranging dozens of registrations
because of trip changes as a result of White Nose Syndrome. Many of these
details and adjustments take 10 or more e-mail messages and phone calls to
correct. The Registration Committee has put in heroic hours to give prompt
and good service, but some of the more complicated issues they need to
resolve require more time when they can focus on them.

More than anyone else, I would love to extend that cut-off date. If things
go well for the Registration Committee, maybe we will extend the date. It
would give us better certainty in planning and ordering materials for the
ICS. But if they can't do it, we won't. We are walking the line between
increasing our certainty in planning while responsibly and correctly
handling funds and key ICS arrangements.

George



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From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 8:43 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS preregistration

Besides the preregistration going up on June 1, note that the deadline  
for any preregistration at all is June 7. Why this ridiculously early  
cutoff for the convenience of preregistration I have no idea.
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[George Veni]

I've been warning for months that people need to register by April 16th for
a guaranteed place on one of the ICS trips requiring pre-registration. We
need to reserve buses, vans, etc., well in advance and can't afford to wait
until the last minute to cancel them if the number of registrations won't
cover the expenses. The River Walk trip didn't have enough registrations,
but we found a way to offer essentially the same trip to the few who did
register.

 

Because of WNS, we have delayed decisions on other trips and will announce
them on the 5th. This gives people time to register for trips if they
haven't already done us. There will be nothing happening on campus on
Wednesday during the ICS; the Wednesday trips are all that is offered. We
still have more than a dozen great trips scheduled and I encourage everyone
to register for a Wednesday trip soon. For details see:
http://www.ics2009.us/wed.html 

 

George

 

From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Jim Kennedy; Preston Forsythe; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS

 

Why was the River Walk tour canceled? Is there a threat of spreading WNS to
the pigeons?

On 4/17/09 8:58 AM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:

Yes, but be prepared to rigorously follow all decon procedures. No bat caves
will be visited during that trip.

-- Crash

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From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 10:01 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS

Is the Northern Mexico pre-convention trip still on?

Preston in western KY

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[John P. Brooks]

Why was the River Walk tour canceled? Is there a threat of spreading WNS to
the pigeons?

On 4/17/09 8:58 AM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:

> Yes, but be prepared to rigorously follow all decon procedures. No bat caves
> will be visited during that trip.
>  
> -- Crash
> 
> 
> From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 10:01 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS
> 
> Is the Northern Mexico pre-convention trip still on?
> 
> Preston in western KY
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[Pat Kambesis]

Preston,

Check the ICS website - the most up-to-date trip status is listed in the 
fieldcamps/excursions section.

pk


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RE: [Texascavers] ICS

[Jim Kennedy]

Yes, but be prepared to rigorously follow all decon procedures. No bat caves 
will be visited during that trip.
 
-- Crash



From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thu 4/16/2009 10:01 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS



Is the Northern Mexico pre-convention trip still on?

Preston in western KY

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Registration Raffle to Benefit the TSA! Tickets can now be purchased online!

[Charles Goldsmith]

Mark, your work email messed up the html link in your email, so if
anyone has problems connecting, use
http://cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/ics_raffle.php

As Mark said, it's on the front page at http://cavetexas.org as well.

Charles

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:39 PM,   wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
> Our webmaster extraordinaire, Butch Fralia, has the online capability to
> purchase raffle tickets up and running!
>
> The raffle transaction is online at:
> http://cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/ics_raffle.php.  There's a link to it off the
> home page.
>
> There also is a link on the home page at http://cavetexas.org.
>
> I already made my purchase, so I have better odds of winning than the rest
> of y'all!
>
> Better get moving!
>
>
> Hats off to Butch for getting this up and running so fast. Great job!
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> 
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Thu 1/8/2009 1:28 PM
> To: Texas Cavers
> Cc: darla_bis...@chs.net; Bishop, Darla; dbis...@zipnet.us; Denise P; Rob
> Bisset
> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Registration Raffle to Benefit the TSA!
>
> Happy New Year, y'all!
>
>
>
> George Veni and the powers that be for the ICS have been gracious enough to
> donate a single registration to the TSA.
>
> This registration does NOT include any food, lodging, trips, books, etc. All
> of that is extra.
>
> Since the TSA is one of the ICS sponsors, we have a single registration.
>
>
>
> We are announcing a raffle to benefit the TSA and some lucky soul will be
> awarded this fabulous prize!
>
>
>
> For a measly $5 per raffle ticket, you may be the proud winner of a prize
> worth between $250 as of today, $275 after January 31st, and $300 after June
> 1st.
>
>
>
> You may enter as many times as you like, $5 per entry, and you do NOT have
> to be a TSA member to enter, although, we sure would like for you to join!
>
> "Curses!" you may say! "I have already registered!"
>
> Don't despair! Go ahead and enter as many times as you like and, if you win,
> you can donate the registration to a family member, friend, fellow caver, or
> a new, energetic, deserving (and broke) young caver you know who is a member
> of your Grotto and may benefit from such a wonderful prize!
>
> We are beginning the raffle this weekend, at the TSA Winter Business Meeting
> at CBSP, so bring all of the change and money Grandma and/or Santa gave you
> and invest in a worthy cause: the TSA and, possibly, a trip to THE caving
> event in Texas, the US, and the world this year!
>
> Butch Fralia is currently working feverishly to add an option on the TSA
> website for you to enter the raffle and pay on line, via Pay Pal, and to
> enter as many times as you like. We'll let you know when this is up and
> running.
>
> The current plan is for the raffle to run until the TSA Spring Convention,
> April 25th in Kerrville, where we will announce the winner on Saturday
> night, after the auction.
>
> You will not have to be present to win, but, hey, it's the TSA Convention,
> so come, anyway!
>
> If the deadline changes, you will read it here first.
>
> So, please encourage your fellow cavers to buy a ticket and put the word out
> at your Grotto meetings!
>
>
>
> Enter soon and enter often! Good luck!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> The Officers of the TSA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Registration Raffle to Benefit the TSA! Tickets can now be purchased online!

[Mark . Alman]

 
All,
 
 
Our webmaster extraordinaire, Butch Fralia, has the online capability to 
purchase raffle tickets up and running!
 
The raffle transaction is online at:  
http://cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/ics_raffle.php.  There's a link to it off the home 
page.
 
There also is a link on the home page at http://cavetexas.org.
 
I already made my purchase, so I have better odds of winning than the rest of 
y'all!
 
Better get moving!
 
 
Hats off to Butch for getting this up and running so fast. Great job!
 
 
Mark
 
 
 



From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Thu 1/8/2009 1:28 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Cc: darla_bis...@chs.net; Bishop, Darla; dbis...@zipnet.us; Denise P; Rob Bisset
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Registration Raffle to Benefit the TSA!


Happy New Year, y'all!
 
George Veni and the powers that be for the ICS have been gracious 
enough to donate a single registration to the TSA.
This registration does NOT include any food, lodging, trips, books, 
etc. All of that is extra.
Since the TSA is one of the ICS sponsors, we have a single registration.
 
We are announcing a raffle to benefit the TSA and some lucky soul will 
be awarded this fabulous prize!
 
For a measly $5 per raffle ticket, you may be the proud winner of a 
prize worth between $250 as of today, $275 after January 31st, and $300 after 
June 1st.
 
You may enter as many times as you like, $5 per entry, and you do NOT 
have to be a TSA member to enter, although, we sure would like for you to join! 
"Curses!" you may say! "I have already registered!"
Don't despair! Go ahead and enter as many times as you like and, if you 
win, you can donate the registration to a family member, friend, fellow caver, 
or a new, energetic, deserving (and broke) young caver you know who is a member 
of your Grotto and may benefit from such a wonderful prize!
We are beginning the raffle this weekend, at the TSA Winter Business 
Meeting at CBSP, so bring all of the change and money Grandma and/or Santa gave 
you and invest in a worthy cause: the TSA and, possibly, a trip to THE caving 
event in Texas, the US, and the world this year!
Butch Fralia is currently working feverishly to add an option on the 
TSA website for you to enter the raffle and pay on line, via Pay Pal, and to 
enter as many times as you like. We'll let you know when this is up and running.
The current plan is for the raffle to run until the TSA Spring 
Convention, April 25th in Kerrville, where we will announce the winner on 
Saturday night, after the auction. 
You will not have to be present to win, but, hey, it's the TSA 
Convention, so come, anyway!
If the deadline changes, you will read it here first.
So, please encourage your fellow cavers to buy a ticket and put the 
word out at your Grotto meetings! 
 
Enter soon and enter often! Good luck!
 
Thanks!
The Officers of the TSA
 
 
 
 
 


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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Registration Raffle to Benefit the TSA!

[George Veni]

One correct to the following announcement. I didn't donate anything to the
TSA. The TSA is a sponsor of the ICS and thus earned that free registration.
If you want to thank someone, thank the TSA Officers who decided to raffle
it rather than keep it for their personal use.

 

The ICS is still looking for more sponsors. If you or your organization is
interested, let me know.

 

See you at the TSA Convention in April.

 

George

 

From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:29 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Cc: darla_bis...@chs.net; Bishop, Darla; dbis...@zipnet.us; Denise P; Rob
Bisset
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Registration Raffle to Benefit the TSA!

 

Happy New Year, y'all!

 

George Veni and the powers that be for the ICS have been gracious enough to
donate a single registration to the TSA.

This registration does NOT include any food, lodging, trips, books, etc. All
of that is extra.

Since the TSA is one of the ICS sponsors, we are announcing a raffle to
benefit the TSA and some lucky soul will be awarded this fabulous prize!

 

For a measly $5 per raffle ticket, you may be the proud winner of a prize
worth between $250 as of today, $275 after January 31st, and $300 after June
1st.

 

You may enter as many times as you like, $5 per entry, and you do NOT have
to be a TSA member to enter, although, we sure would like for you to join! 

"Curses!" you may say! "I have already registered!"

Don't despair! Go ahead and enter as many times as you like and, if you win,
you can donate the registration to a family member, friend, fellow caver, or
a new, energetic, deserving (and broke) young caver you know who is a member
of your Grotto and may benefit from such a wonderful prize!

We are beginning the raffle this weekend, at the TSA Winter Business Meeting
at CBSP, so bring all of the change and money Grandma and/or Santa gave you
and invest in a worthy cause: the TSA and, possibly, a trip to THE caving
event in Texas, the US, and the world this year!

Butch Fralia is currently working feverishly to add an option on the TSA
website for you to enter the raffle and pay on line, via Pay Pal, and to
enter as many times as you like. We'll let you know when this is up and
running.

The current plan is for the raffle to run until the TSA Spring Convention,
April 25th in Kerrville, where we will announce the winner on Saturday
night, after the auction. 

You will not have to be present to win, but, hey, it's the TSA Convention,
so come, anyway!

If the deadline changes, you will read it here first.

So, please encourage your fellow cavers to buy a ticket and put the word out
at your Grotto meetings! 

 

Enter soon and enter often! Good luck!

 

Thanks!

The Officers of the TSA

 

 

 

 

 

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