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Todd, A wheeled walker is a wonder for unloading/loading a dishwasher. Heck, I use mine for laundry, setting and clearing the table, all kinds of stuff. If you can use one, it's an awesome tool. Hugs, Barbara A -Original Message- From: Todd Tarno toddtm2...@sbcglobal.net To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Hey Rob, Remember that you're working too. Include the time you're at work walking, standing, etc... I do PT twice a week with a trainer at home and now able to stand long enough to take the dishes from the sink to fill the dishwasher. I still can't carry dishes into the kitchen, but now at least I can help fill the dishwasher. lol I have found that sometime I need a new PT for new exercises and new ideals. Keep up the exercises, Todd in CC, TX --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: From: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:26 AM I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on20Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain. OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic! Rob in New Jersey
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Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing it. How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with the level and intensity? Yeah right! Moderation, sure! But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all. I also have a very poor habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea. The worse thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let it go and not get it done. Once I do that, I'm done. I cannot find a happy medium for my body. I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how much time had passed. That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, and the next two days were pretty bad. I was actually worse than I'd been in a long time. After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but it hasn't in my case. My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits. Hugs to all, Barbara A -Original Message- From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Robert, I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit. I started it because of arthritis in my20back. Exercise done in water should not make you sore unless you are over doing it. You really need to think hard about moderation when you first begin and add more slowly. Sure hope it helps you. I would give my eye teeth to get back in the water, but am not ready yet. Someday soon I hope. Good luck. - Original Message - From: Robert Pall To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anyth ing at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the to wel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress
Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!
Barbara, as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.With our bodies, we have to. I hated to read that you suffered for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.I can and have done the same thing doing things around the house - so I know what you feel when you just don't want to stop. BUT, again, with our bodies, we have to. I hope you never have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!! Janice - Original Message - From: balmat...@aol.com To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing it. How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with the level and intensity? Yeah right! Moderation, sure! But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all. I also have a very poor habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea. The worse thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let it go and not get it done. Once I do that, I'm done. I cannot find a happy medium for my body. I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how much time had passed. That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, and the next two days were pretty bad. I was actually worse than I'd been in a long time. After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but it hasn't in my case. My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits. Hugs to all, Barbara A -Original Message- From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! 0A Robert, I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit. I started it because of arthritis in my back. Exercise done in water should not make you sore unless you are over doing it. You really need to think hard about moderation when you first begin and add more slowly.Sure hope it helps you. I would give my eye teeth to get back in the water, but am not ready yet. Someday soon I hope.Good luck. - Original Message - From: Robert Pall To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel w eighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce
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I am a constant over doer. My theory is that when I feel good get it all done and then pay for it as I can never predict when I will feel well enough again to get to it. It never crosses my mind that if I go slow today on a good day that it may last into tomorrow. Nope, not me. After 21 years (as of this past Feb) of TM, I still have not stopped it and continue to do it. My husband knows this and reminds me of it all the time. Even my doctors have told me to stop it but I just can’t. My doctor has learned not to tell me to NOT do things as he knows I will just go ahead and do specifically what he told me not to. Ever the actress I would attend things I should not have and then paid for it for days. I must say though that during this occurrence things are very different. I have some new symptoms that seem to knock me off my feet, literally (burning pain in feet) and arms get very tired, very fast (typing, making tea or coffee, brushing teeth, showering, and even holding the phone receiver). I am hoping that this will lessen with time and that they are not going to become the norm for me. Today is the first day that I am getting back on my normal medication regime after a month of upping and lowering my dosages and I made it till 10:30 am with taking a pain killer so I would have to say this is a good day. Have a GOOD day all Kathy - Original Message - From: Janice To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com ; balmat...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Barbara, as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.With our bodies, we have to. I hated to read that you suffered for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.I can and have done the same thing doing things around the house - so I know what you feel when you just don't want to stop. BUT, again, with our bodies, we have to. I hope you never have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!! Janice - Original Message - From: balmat...@aol.com To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing it. How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with the level and intensity? Yeah right! Moderation, sure! But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all. I also have a very poor habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea. The worse thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let it go and not get it done. Once I do that, I'm done. I cannot find a happy medium for my body. I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how much time had passed. That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, and the next two days were pretty bad. I was actually worse than I'd been in a long time. After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but it hasn't in my case. My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits. Hugs to all, Barbara A -Original Message- From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! 0A Robert, I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit. I started it because of arthritis in my back. Exercise done in water should not make you sore unless you are over doing it. You really need to think hard about moderation when you first begin and add more slowly.Sure hope it helps you. I would give my eye teeth to get back in the water, but am not ready yet. Someday soon I hope.Good luck. - Original Message - From: Robert Pall To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24
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RobThat is the question of the day!! I just wish somehow we would be able to tell when too much is too much.. It's been seven years of stop and go exercise. And who can really tell us that answer.. Yes, if my body would give me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was NOT good. So choose my poison... swim or gym??? I've been doing some travelling lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 hours to drive up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. Then drove home to Va. early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside the Holland Tunnel. I know this is too much info for everyone but your stuck with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!! I have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting ready for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT my husband, my hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four adult children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has accomplished his dream. O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this t long e-mail. take care! Blessings Trudy Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it. Joan Chittister On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling
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Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... So, does this mean that you have your own private doctor now? LOL I bet Chris is glad to be done. lol Congratulation!!! Todd in CC, TX --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com wrote: From: Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:19 PM Rob That is the question of the day!! I just wish somehow we would be able to tell when too much is too much.. It's been seven years of stop and go exercise. And who can really tell us that answer.. Yes, if my body would give me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was NOT good. So choose my poison... swim or gym??? I've been doing some travelling lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 hours to drive up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. Then drove home to Va. early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside the Holland Tunnel. I know this is too much info for everyone but your stuck with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!! I have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting ready for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT my husband, my hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four adult children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has accomplished his dream. O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this t long e-mail. take care! Blessings Trudy Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it. Joan Chittister On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so
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I am a constant over doer. My theory is that when I feel good get it all done and then pay for it as I can never predict when I will feel well enough again to get to it. For me, too--- because I am paralyzed--- good days -- are precious and get stuffed. I am up til 3 or 4 or 5 am and if the next day is good, I'll be up at 10 if not it's noon --
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Hey Rob, Remember that you're working too. Include the time you're at work walking, standing, etc... I do PT twice a week with a trainer at home and now able to stand long enough to take the dishes from the sink to fill the dishwasher. I still can't carry dishes into the kitchen, but now at least I can help fill the dishwasher. lol I have found that sometime I need a new PT for new exercises and new ideals. Keep up the exercises, Todd in CC, TX --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: From: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:26 AM I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain. OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic! Rob in New Jersey
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the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. My old hometown. I was born in Manhattan grew up in the South Bronx and Queens. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... HIP HIP HOORAAAY! Hopefully you will get him to work on us! I've been a nonmeat eater for 36 years now and am always looking for new tips! CONGRATULATIONS! Akua --
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I have found a program called Sit Be Fit on public television that has really helped me to exercise longer than 15 minutes ( if I am standing). This program lasts about 25 minutes since I am sitting, I can go that long. The program has a web site where you can check for any programs in your area. They also offer DVDs of the programs for sale. Linda E. (Deep East Texas) From: Todd Tarno toddtm2...@sbcglobal.net To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:34:11 PM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Hey Rob, Remember that you're working too. Include the time you're at work walking, standing, etc... I do PT twice a week with a trainer at home and now able to stand long enough to take the dishes from the sink to fill the dishwasher. I still can't carry dishes into the kitchen, but now at least I can help fill the dishwasher. lol I have found that sometime I need a new PT for new exercises and new ideals. Keep up the exercises, Todd in CC, TX --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: From: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:26 AM I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain. OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic! Rob in New Jersey
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Akua,Knowing what I do of you... you would have loved coming to the Met Museum... My daughter and I got there around 1:00 and stayed till 7:00 Absolutely AMAZING. I have an incredible pic of the top of the museum with an incredible piece of work that looks like a huge silver tree branch. So there we were a beer in hand at the top of the MET with so many people from so many countries. just enjoying life! As I told Todd.. he better help us out!!! :) He has completely changed our diet. At the top of the forbidden list redmeat!! Fish is in (well some fish) and now our THanksgiving turkey has to have been breastfed by it's mother.. :) have a good one... Blessings Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it. Joan Chittister On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Akua a...@artfarm.com wrote: the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. My old hometown. I was born in Manhattan grew up in the South Bronx and Queens. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... HIP HIP HOORAAAY! Hopefully you will get him to work on us! I've been a nonmeat eater for 36 years now and am always looking for new tips! CONGRATULATIONS! Akua --
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Gosh, what fun that would be!!! I'm still thinking of that breast-fed turkey, tho..h :) ---Original Message--- From: Trudy Ogilvie Date: 6/30/2009 6:36:15 PM To: Akua Cc: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Akua, Knowing what I do of you... you would have loved coming to the Met Museum... My daughter and I got there around 1:00 and stayed till 7:00 Absolutely AMAZING. I have an incredible pic of the top of the museum with an incredible piece of work that looks like a huge silver tree branch. So there we were a beer in hand at the top of the MET with so many people from so many countries. just enjoying life! As I told Todd.. he better help us out!!! :) He has completely changed our diet. At the top of the forbidden list redmeat!! Fish is in (well some fish) and now our THanksgiving turkey has to have been breastfed by it's mother.. :) have a good one... Blessings Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it. Joan Chittister On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Akua a...@artfarm.com wrote: the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. My old hometown. I was born in Manhattan grew up in the South Bronx and Queens. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... HIP HIP HOORAAAY! Hopefully you will get him to work on us! I've been a nonmeat eater for 36 years now and am always looking for new tips! CONGRATULATIONS! Akua -- 01_tile.jpg01_side.gif
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Kathy, I hope you always have many more good days than bad ones!! After 21 years, I was going to say that no one knows your body better than you do. But, with TM that doesn't make much sense. We think we know, then TM throws another wrench into things. Keep up the good spirit!Janice - Original Message - From: LadyOwl1961 To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! I am a constant over doer. My theory is that when I feel good get it all done and then pay for it as I can never predict when I will feel well enough again to get to it. It never crosses my mind that if I go slow today on a good day that it may last into tomorrow. Nope, not me. After 21 years (as of this past Feb) of TM, I still have not stopped it and continue to do it. My husband knows this and reminds me of it all the time. Even my doctors have told me to stop it but I just can’t. My doctor has learned not to tell me to NOT do things as he knows I will just go ahead and do specifically what he told me not to. Ever the actress I would attend things I should not have and then paid for it for days. I must say though that during this occurrence things are very different. I have some new symptoms that seem to knock me off my feet, literally (burning pain in feet) and arms get very tired, very fast (typing, making tea or coffee, brushing teeth, showering, and even holding the phone receiver). I am hoping that this will lessen with time and that they are not going to become the norm for me. Today is the first day that I am getting back on my normal medication regime after a month of upping and lowering my dosages and I made it till 10:30 am with taking a pain killer so I would have to say this is a good day. Have a GOOD day all Kathy - Original Message - From: Janice To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com ; balmat...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Barbara, as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.With our bodies, we have to. I hated to read that you suffered for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.I can and have done the same thing doing things around the house - so I know what you feel when you just don't want to stop. BUT, again, with our bodies, we have to. I hope you never have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!! Janice - Original Message - From: balmat...@aol.com To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing it. How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with the level and intensity? Yeah right! Moderation, sure! But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all. I also have a very poor habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea. The worse thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let it go and not get it done. Once I do that, I'm done. I cannot find a happy medium for my body. I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how much time had passed. That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, and the next two days were pretty bad. I was actually worse than I'd been in a long time. After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but it hasn't in my case. My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits. Hugs to all, Barbara A -Original Message- From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! 0A Robert, I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit. I started it because of arthritis in my back. Exercise done in water should not make you sore unless you are over doing it. You really need to think hard about moderation when you first begin and add more slowly.Sure hope it helps you. I would give my eye teeth to get back in the water, but am not ready yet. Someday soon I hope.Good luck. - Original Message - From: Robert Pall To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember
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Trudy, You wear me out!! I love that you can travel that much.How worn out do you get? How do you feel once you get back from these trips? Janice - Original Message - From: Trudy Ogilvie To: Robert Pall Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Rob That is the question of the day!! I just wish somehow we would be able to tell when too much is too much.. It's been seven years of stop and go exercise. And who can really tell us that answer.. Yes, if my body would give me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was NOT good. So choose my poison... swim or gym??? I've been doing some travelling lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 hours to drive up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. Then drove home to Va. early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside the Holland Tunnel. I know this is too much info for everyone but your stuck with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!! I have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting ready for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT my husband, my hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four adult children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has accomplished his dream. O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this t long e-mail. take care! Blessings Trudy Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it. Joan Chittister On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted
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I loved the Met! and Natural History! Good for him. Meat is bad ( unless you free ranged it yourself). LOL! Glad you had a great time! --
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Trudy, Forgot to ask.What exactly is Nathuropathic Medicine?By the way, congratulations. You must be so proud of him. Janice - Original Message - From: Trudy Ogilvie To: Todd Tarno Cc: TMIC Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! Thanks Todd Yes, and since I gave him life he owes me big time ! On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Todd Tarno toddtm2...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... So, does this mean that you have your own private doctor now? LOL I bet Chris is glad to be done. lol Congratulation!!! Todd in CC, TX --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com wrote: From: Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then! To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:19 PM Rob That is the question of the day!! I just wish somehow we would be able to tell when too much is too much.. It's been seven years of stop and go exercise. And who can really tell us that answer.. Yes, if my body would give me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was NOT good. So choose my poison... swim or gym??? I've been doing some travelling lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 hours to drive up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE. Then drove home to Va. early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside the Holland Tunnel. I know this is too much info for everyone but your stuck with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!! I have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting ready for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT my husband, my hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four adult children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has accomplished his dream. O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this t long e-mail. take care! Blessings Trudy Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it. Joan Chittister On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote: I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise….when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part
[TMIC] Every now and then!
I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sidesif what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for...just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickeringmy guess is it turns them off...and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement...anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercisewhen is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurtsI am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I doprobably stop exercising and see if my legs feel betterthat being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June...so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my bodypart of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercisingbut hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine ...and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towelI kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless...therefore I just started back on my routine...and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate...I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse...and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them...how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him...I have a feeling he will stress moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain. OK...enough for now...let's get back on topic! Rob in New Jersey
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Every now and then!Robert, I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit. I started it because of arthritis in my back. Exercise done in water should not make you sore unless you are over doing it. You really need to think hard about moderation when you first begin and add more slowly.Sure hope it helps you. I would give my eye teeth to get back in the water, but am not ready yet. Someday soon I hope.Good luck. - Original Message - From: Robert Pall To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then! I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides..if what is written does not apply or offers words you do not care for.just delete it! Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to bickering..my guess is it turns them off.and that is a tragedy! If one member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement.anything at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM New topic: Exercise Exercise..when is enough enough? I tend to exercise in spurts..I am either following a regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do..probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better..that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June.so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body..part of this is due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising..but hours later it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price. My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)..for the first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine .and then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel..I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless.therefore I just started back on my routine.and so far the pain far outweighs the gain. I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate.I drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse.and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue. I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works for them.how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him.I have a feeling he will stress moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain. OK.enough for now.let's get back on topic! Rob in New Jersey
