Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Proximity Sensor
Is it very sensitive ? the proximity sensor. proximity to what btw, if it is phrone to errors due to interference I can understand why they hesitate. You might need parameters for the size (or bioelectric signature) of your cat or small kids ;) to not get the UI confused. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77356 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
I just brought my Touch home, unpacked, did the firmware update, and connected it to SBS 7.5.0 over ethernet. Regardless of whether I add tracks from the Touch itself or from the web interface, I cannot add more than 500 tracks - otherwise it comes up with a message saying playlist full and caps the playlist to 500 items. Please tell me this isn't a limitation of the Touch?! I have a SB3 and even a SliMP3, neither of which have this problem. -- tebling tebling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Support of SDXC SD Cards (32 GB)
danull;535156 Wrote: Not sure if I can revive an old thread (does this make me a troublemaker) - but I am interested in the answer to whether Touch will be able to support these SDXC cards in the future (i.e. out of the box, with a firmware update, or can't happen) and looks like we never got a real answer... I strongly doubt it will. I'm not aware of any SD readers that can now handle SDHC due to a software upgrade. Hardware matters. What you're asking for is the equivalent of an old DVD player now being able to play Blu-Ray just because of a software upgrade. Dream on! I'm willing to bet the Squeezebox Touch 2 will have a much larger screen and SDXC capability, but that will be several years away. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70281 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
Not a Touch problem per se I think, see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76925highlight=500 -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
tebling;535274 Wrote: I just brought my Touch home, unpacked, did the firmware update, and connected it to SBS 7.5.0 over ethernet. Regardless of whether I add tracks from the Touch itself or from the web interface, I cannot add more than 500 tracks - otherwise it comes up with a message saying playlist full and caps the playlist to 500 items. Please tell me this isn't a limitation of the Touch?! I have a SB3 and even a SliMP3, neither of which have this problem. Wow, that would be really dumb on Logitech's part if it's true. It should at least be able to handle 512 tracks. Where did their software developers go to school? All joking aside, I see no technological reason (besides memory) for it to max out at any value under 4,294,967,295, the size of an unsigned long int. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
I strongly encourage those of you who have received your Squeezebox Touch to add a brief user review to Amazon.com. There are no reviews there yet. Is it cool? Is it buggy? Potential Touch customers want to know. The Amazon.com page for the Squeezebox Touch is 'here' (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002LARRDA/). -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
Problem solved :-) Thanks for the link! -- tebling tebling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Access the connectet USB Drive?
I was hoping to store my songs on an SDHC card connected directly to the Touch, but I just realized that my computer's card reader only handles SD (2 GB max), not SDHC (32 GB max). I use an SDHC card for my camera, but I just transfer files to my computer via the camera's USB cable. If I want to permanently store my songs on an SDHC card connected to the Touch, I assume from what's been said above that I could copy them from my computer via WiFi, but that would be slow. (I could just do it overnight while I sleep.) Is it possible to plug a USB drive into the Touch and copy files from it to an SDHC card also connected to the Touch? I see no hardware reason to prevent it, but I don't know what the Touch's software interface is like. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77267 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
As per usual the no Swiss stock in sight. Digitec has just upped the price and set the delivery date to 'Unknown' Adding insult to injury apparently logitech has been selling them -directly- for 225 $ in the states. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77298 This is really out of order. If it's Logitechs' stratergy to get Joe Sixpack his Squeezebox on the cheap and try tp get his Squeezebox hooked up with his Facebook and try to listen to Pandora... and maybe fail because he has no wireless network at home... That's fine. However if you want to keep the userbase happy, who work as free ambasadors to the brand and probably sell more of these devices than a presentation unit in the back of a store... why not just throw us the occasional bone? So not d -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch in sleep mode and USB HDD
Charlie Mac Prabs;534682 Wrote: Hello Roubil, I bought myself a SB Touch (french too). I plugged a hard drive 500 GB Samsung S2 which goes to sleep automatically You have to check what is the consumption of hard disk and it has a standby mode The SB allows Touch (apparently) 750 mA on the USB connector So, Touch works fine with Samsung S2 500Go ? -- barbamaman barbamaman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77284 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
And just to clarify, it is a soft limit. From the link posted above: Goto Server Settings Performance and set the Max Playlist Length to what you want it to be. If you set it to zero, then the playlist length is unlimited, which AFAIK was the behavior previous to 7.5.0. -- tebling tebling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
After installing a plug-in, How can i reboot the Touch, without unplugging the AC. I don't mean the factory reset. On the Radio i can hold the power button, but can't find a way on the Touch. -- harmony895 Greetings Henk: Webmaster of Harmony and Squeezebox Forum Holland. harmony895's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31471 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Wow, and I though Americans were impatient. I wouldn't count having to wait a week or two as getting screwed. After all, think of how many months all of us have had to wait while the Touch was delayed again and again. Compared to that, a few weeks is nothing. Personally, I'm waiting so other people can find the bugs. ;) As for the US$225 price, I'm guessing that's about what it will sell for on Amazon.com once they have adequate stock. (Of course, most of you Europeans have a VAT, so you'll never see that price. That's not Logitech's fault, though.) Keep in mind that while Logitech is Swiss, SlimDevices is American, isn't it? (I understand that the software developers are in California.) -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
Short push of the reset button on the back just above the power socket. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] touch 7.5
aubuti;535035 Wrote: You could try the following: 1. Make a backup copy of your prefs directory. That will include server.prefs, plus any prefs settings for plugins. 1a (optional). Make a list of all of your settings. A semi-convenient way to do this is by taking screenshots of the SBS settings pages with your existing settings. 2. Install the new Squeezebox Server. If you are coming from 7.3.3 it probably will overwrite your preferences. (It shouldn't do that if you are coming from 7.4.2, but then a lot of people had their 7.3.3 overwritten by 7.4.2, so you're neither ahead of the game or behind.) 3. Check to see if your preferences were overwritten. If not, then you're done. 4. If your settings were overwritten, stop SBS. This is important. Then overwrite the new prefs files with your the backup you made in Step 1. 5. Restart SBS and see if your settings are familiar. If so, you're done. 6. If your old settings aren't restored, then you'll have to reset them manually. This could be easier if you did the optional step 1a above. Note that if steps 1-5 seem to be too much trouble, you can always do only steps 2, 3, and 6 instead ;o) One other important change to note is that in 7.3.3 the program was called squeezecenter and ran under the username 'squeezecenter'. In 7.4.x and 7.5.x it is called squeezeboxserver and runs under the username 'squeezeboxserver'. I expect that sstos will take care of these things for you, but thought I'd give a heads up just in case. Thanks a lot! would it be better to upgrade to 7.4.2 and then to 7.5? I'd have more chanches? also if i upgrade to 7.4.2 should i uninstall squeezecenter and then install the 4.6 or can i update from the SSTOS menu? will i lose my plugins? -- nervoteso nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77310 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
hawaiijim;535312 Wrote: Keep in mind that while Logitech is Swiss, SlimDevices is American, isn't it? (I understand that the software developers are in California.) SlimDevices doesn't exist any more, it's part of the standard business units of Logitech now. I'm pretty sure some of the developers are from Switzerland, not all though. I think the hardware is manufactured in China. Still, Logitech really isn't any different than other big companies. Prices are adjusted to what people in different part of the world is prepared to pay. We just just have to face the fact that the people in US aren't prepared to pay as much as us in Europe. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
hawaiijim;535281 Wrote: All joking aside, I see no technological reason (besides memory) for it to max out at any value under 4,294,967,295, the size of an unsigned long int. The performance of Squeezebox Server with large playlists are really bad, thus the limitation. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Access the connectet USB Drive?
Hi everybody, I initially filled my 2.5 USB-drive by directly attaching it to my WHS homeserver and copying the music files with robocopy. Then I connected the drive to the touch and after configuring the share I now can access the share from my homeserver. So far so good. Now when I run my robocopy job again (this time with the share on the touch as a destination) robocopy tells me that the local files are newer and wants to update the files on the share which is, regarding the write performance of the touch, quite a mess. Am I doing something wrong or is there any issue/difference with the timestamps of the files when the drive is attached to whs (i've experienced something then similar in the past with a NAS that ran linux)? Thx marlo -- marlo marlo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37542 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77267 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
Perhaps the problem is 'Bug 15703' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15703) -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Hi Michael,
I'm struggling to find any logfile (or information on how to find it,
searhced wiki and forums).
Share is on and I can see the contents of the USB drive connected to
the Touch.
There is a T:\.squeezebox\cache folder which only seems to contain 2
database files: artwork cache, squeezebox and
squeezebox-persistent.
The Touch {Settings/Advanced/Squeezbox Information/Squeezbox Server Log
File/ } shows both server and scanner logs are syslog. I've searched
the whole T: drive for this but can't find it.
The Touch also shows in {Settings/Advanced/Squeezbox
Information/Folders/ } folders under /etc/squeezecenter/ which are
cache, prefs Cache/Install which I can't find either.
any help appreciated.
I have display hidden files and subdirectories on.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
hawaiijim;535312 Wrote: Wow, and I though Americans were impatient. I wouldn't count having to wait a week or two as getting screwed. After all, think of how many months all of us have had to wait while the Touch was delayed again and again. Compared to that, a few weeks is nothing. Personally, I'm waiting so other people can find the bugs. ;) The getting screwed was referring to the price. Logitech selling in through their own chanells 225 $ is quite a slap in the face... I don't mind finding the bugs. I don't want to use it as an alarm clock, to turn on/off any other equipment with it or link to facebook. I just want to listen to music. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which tags?
Phileas;534942 Wrote: OK thanks (I think I read it once before). Mmm...I've got _ts_composerInArtists: 1271094131 That is the timestamp of when *composerInArtists* was last changed. You need to find the preference without the *_ts_* prefix. -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77325 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Yes, prices in Europe are generally much higher, even when we consider the difference in taxes. Europe is also a somewhat smaller market, and a 2-year unconditional warranty is mandatory in most countries. Add the fact that you're an early adopter and you know that something has to give If you don't like the price level of a Touch, you can always look at the competition (depending on your requirements). The Sagem My Web 500 comes to mind (82 euro), or the similar priced Muvid IR 615. They don't offer the level of customisation that Logitech offers, but they do what they're supposed to do, and offer native NAS and USB support without the need to install server software. No Facebook nor Pandora support however. You get what you pay for. -- Hans_NL Squeezebox Radio x2 (black red) MUVID IR 615 (poor man's Transporter) Currently running Fedora 10 on all systems Hans_NL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
Thanks for the quick response. I did not noticed this little button. -- harmony895 Greetings Henk: Webmaster of Harmony and Squeezebox Forum Holland. harmony895's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31471 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Hans_NL;535330 Wrote: Yes, prices in Europe are generally much higher, even when we consider the difference in taxes. Europe is also a somewhat smaller market, and a 2-year unconditional warranty is mandatory in most countries. Add the fact that you're an early adopter and you know that something has to give Being an early adopter never bothered me. I'm not asking for a rebait on the numerous Slimp3's that I bought nearly 10 years ago. The EU has nearly double the population of the US, if you count the whole continent europe gets up to nearly 3 x the population of the US. If europeans really is that much richer than americans, then they must sell a lot more in europe than in the states. If the device price is double then the profit margin a lot more that that, therefore they have to sell less devices over here to get their cost back... Hans_NL;535330 Wrote: If you don't like the price level of a Touch, you can always look at the competition (depending on your requirements). The Sagem My Web 500 comes to mind (82 euro), or the similar priced Muvid IR 615. I have my touch on preorder. I'll probably end up buying a couple of them to replace the SB3s. I used to order 10 at a time directly for the states... Those were the good ol days.. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Slight progress. The mapped drive was to media-sda1 on Squeezebox Touch - squeezeboxtouch (Squeezeboxtouch) but there is also logs on Squeezebox Touch - squeezeboxtouch (Squeezeboxtouch) that contains cores/nmbd,cores/smbd and watchdog which are empty and 7 files (log.main_pc,log.smbd,log.nmbd,log.0.0.0.0,log.192.168.2.17,wtmp and messages). I've attached messages as it is the largest and looks like a logfile. However by the time I got to this point I am seeing slightly different problems from OP:- I am trying to use STS to stream FLAC synchronised to itself, a Receiver and a Radio. The sync is correct but frequently interrupted (rebuffering) and sometimes stops (but switching Touch in and out of standby seems to restart it). At 9:37 I had message problem connecting to Squeezebox Touch Server (may not have got wording spot on) on the Touch itself. Not sure if this is useful to you. +---+ |Filename: messages.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9626| +---+ -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio (Touch ordered) controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Just after making the last post (and whilst I was outside for 10 minutes), I got the OP problem - Local music service has been stopped due to a problem on the Touch with blue connectivity 'lights' on receiver and radio. I had just selected a new album which was playing (though had stuttered), stepped out and came back to silence. This time there are two Message files. +---+ |Filename: more_messages.zip| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9627| +---+ -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio (Touch ordered) controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
Phil Leigh;535257 Wrote: This also happens to some ALAC files on some PC/Macs. The PC patch is already out, the Mac one is coming soon (may already be out?) Check the 7.5.1 nightly releases I spoke with logitech last night they apparently have a patch for Windows, not for Mac(which im using). Anyone hearing of a patch for Mac? Also, will i have the same problem if i copy my music to a external USB drive and plug it into the touch? -- gellie gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
The Mac patch was out last night - more instructions in the below thread and a link to the patched faad: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=534336#post534336 -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] data rate for internet radio?
Yes, but how and where you see the bitrate of the station varies based on a number of factors including the stream provider and where you are in the Touch screens. - from Now Playing screen touch the + or Now Playing button scroll down to format bitrate, or select More Info Note: this won't work with RadioTime feeds or items in the Internet Radio menu's - from the menu listings of stations touch hold the station name this works on most any station, but not Music Services -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77358 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
squeezetouch;535275 Wrote: Try replacing the IP address in your echo line with your ISP's actual DNS IP address instead your routers. (like shown here) Code: up echo 'nameserver 210.55.12.1' /etc/resolv.conf and maybe comment out the dns 192.168.1.1. Just made these changes in my Touch and also removed the the script call line. Rebooted and it connected without any problem. Selected Internet Radio and it's playing any station I select. Ron made a typo of some kind, it works perfect Here is what it is now Code: # cat interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp script /etc/network/udhcpc_action mapping wlan0 script /etc/network/if_mapping auto wlan0=Liogor iface Liogor inet static address 192.168.1.14 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 dns 192.168.1.1 up echo 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' /etc/resolv.conf I prefer to use my router for DNS, it works well in that respect and if my isp changes DNS servers, all my players are already ok. Or if I change isp again. My router has no problems with dns, i have not yet faced the dreaded log in problems with mysqueezebox.com (wich often is a dns symptom except for when the service is choked with new user ;) like every time they release a new product) Edit: I do have problems like everybody else if the server is down Funny thing it did not take the first time i tried today ? I did :wq in vi, ok. did cat to see if really had changed pulled the plug and it restarted with the old file !? did it again the i saved first with :w then i did :wq to be sure then i did a reboot with the reboot comand and then double checked by pulling the plug ? wot was that -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
just to double check is this the correct patch http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.5/trunk/server/Bin/darwin/faad ? -- gellie gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
Cool did not see that button either very handy. Thanks (I need glasses, those black on black thingys) A slightly more nerdy approach. ssh to it and use reboot command -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
oohhh Joy I managed to get hold of the touch a couple of days ago and have got the same problem seems to happen when scanning artwork so I've just searched for all jpeg files bigger than 1/2 MB took them off the drive will let you know if it works ? Also getting a dropout on last fm occasionally here we go again brings back the nightmares of the Duets. -- Gomez Gomez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
oohhh Joy I managed to get hold of the touch a couple of days ago and have got the same problem seems to happen when scanning artwork so I've just searched for all jpeg files bigger than 1/2 MB took them off the drive will let you know if it works ? Also getting a dropout on last fm occasionally here we go again brings back the nightmares of the Duets. -- Gomez Gomez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Proximity Sensor
JJZolx;535248 Wrote: Are there any settings for the proximity sensor? I found them under factory test section on the touch itself. -- Plank Squeezebox Boom, Revo Pico WiFi, Grace Allegro, Sony Dash, Chumby, Squeezebox Touch Plank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77356 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Proximity Sensor
JJZolx;535248 Wrote: Are there any settings for the proximity sensor? I found them under factory test section on the touch itself. -- Plank Squeezebox Boom, Revo Pico WiFi, Grace Allegro, Sony Dash, Chumby, Squeezebox Touch Plank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77356 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
And now I removed eht0 completely (for the time being) works ok too -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
Does the reset button reboot or reset to factory setting? Typically that button is for resetting the device, not rebooting. -- divisionbell77 divisionbell77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37192 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
Short press - reboot Press Hold (not sure how long say 10 secs) - Factory reset -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Track stops playing
Tripmaster, are you using Touch standalone or with any other players? I've been experiencing rebuffering all morning using Touch to play synchronised FLAC to a radio and receiver. There are some logs in http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322page=2 but I'm hoping to keep issues separate so that is focussed on 'Local Music service has been stopped'. I'd just switched the receiver back to my main server (WHS) and switched off the radio. My plan was to just listen to the Touch for some hours and see if buffering was better or worse. I had one instance of rebuffering in about 10 minutes then ... moved 6 files on both WHS and the shared Touch USB drive that were causing an album to be duplicated... SB3 on desk (connected to WHS) but not playing lost connection to server! A few seconds later the Touch stopped playing and went blank, it went back through power up cycle (logitech logo et al.) and then Sorry, your device had to restart due to a system error. Is it OK if SB3 went blank and then came back connected to Squeezebox Touch. I switched SB3 back to WHS library after a while, so if that had also fallen over, it could have restarted before I checked. I honestly don't know if the crash is related to buffering, the file move or the other thread problems - have numerous other niggles but don't want to overload the forums with separate threads which may be related. -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77243 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
I believe so - also Andyg has said the latest 7.5.1 nightly build for Mac has the fix in, so you may find that easier than installing the patch. -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
bpa;535365 Wrote: Short press - reboot Press Hold (not sure how long say 10 secs) - Factory reset Very good, must be wonderfull for support, they don't have to guide clients trough the menu system to find factory reset. Or if really messed up you cant use the menu's some good thinking went into this device. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reboot the Touch?
bpa;535365 Wrote: Short press - reboot Press Hold (not sure how long say 10 secs) - Factory reset I think it's a little bit longer - more like 15 or more seconds. To perform a factory reset hold the button until you see the Logitech logo come up. You should then see a screen that says something like 'factory settings restored' and then it will reboot. A simple reboot requires just a press of the button. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77372 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
was trying to separate rebuffering from 'local music has been stopped' and was posting in http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=535371#post535371 when I got a Sorry, your device had to restart due to a system error. Is it OK if crash as well, detail sin other thread. Not sure how the problems relate (if at all) and sorry if cross-posting is confusing (trying to keep to one issue in one thread but have too many issues at once). Unfortunately the 'message' log only seems to track from restart!! Interestingly the 'new' log files have no modified date After Touch restart and the message about sending the data to you (i choose Yes, Always), I didn't get a 'server starting' message nor the warning about ejecting USB devices (which prompts me to choose 'Squeezebox Server' to watch scan progress. So I choose some music on the Touch first, which is now playing well but... the Touch scanner is 'hung' at scanning media for music files, please wait... for over fifteen minutes (10 with music playing and 5 after end of album). +---+ |Filename: message_post_crash.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9628| +---+ -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
thank you. how do i find/install the 7.5.1 nightly release? -- gellie gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch will not play Apple lossless !
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.5 -- Siduhe Who am I on 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/siduhe)? -Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho...- (c) 'ModelCitizen' (http://www.last.fm/user/Modelcitizen) Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77354 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
Do you work for C4DEALZ? -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Gomez;535353 Wrote: oohhh Joy I managed to get hold of the touch a couple of days ago and have got the same problem seems to happen when scanning artwork so I've just searched for all jpeg files bigger than 1/2 MB took them off the drive will let you know if it works ? Also getting a dropout on last fm occasionally here we go again brings back the nightmares of the Duets. I was having the same problem...I was getting the error when 25% of the way through scanning the album art files. I re-sized all large album art files to below 300kb. I had some files that were as big as 6MB. When I re-scanned the drive I still got the same error but was able to make it through 85% of my album art scan this time. At this point I'm really not if that is the problem or not? Should I try reducing the files sizes even more? I only have 625 album art files and the largest is 300kb with many being under 100kb. I would be suprised if the touch can't handle that. -- KJAM KJAM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
Mnyb;535348 Wrote: made a typo of some kind, it works perfect Funny thing it did not take the first time i tried today ? I did :wq in vi, ok. did cat to see if really had changed pulled the plug and it restarted with the old file !? did it again the i saved first with :w then i did :wq to be sure then i did a reboot with the reboot comand and then double checked by pulling the plug ? wot was that In vi you can use :x to save and exit. Have never used :wq together, theoretically it should work, but am used to using :x by habit to save and exit. Always used reboot within ssh though. Haven't tried pulling the plug to restart, this may be the difference - like hardware reboot vs software reboot? - I don't know and haven't tested it. I probably never though of using the plug option to reboot because I'm too lazy ;-) You see, my Touch is in the lounge at one end of the house and I'm in the office at the other end of the house. Too far to walk for a hardware reboot every time I've made a change. Typing reboot and hitting enter is much easier :-) Ron -- squeezetouch squeezetouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
mherger;535089 Wrote: My current inclinations are:- whilst scanning, do nothing else! don't share the USB drive (and start tidying it up) don't play music don't load new applets don't search for music don't run the ImageViewer but please upload your messages log file (available on the share once you turn on sharing). -- Michael Michael...thanks for your response! Can you please explain how to not run the ImageViewer. I'm not sure how to do this. Will this allow me to succesfully scan the drive and if so will I still be able to view album art when complete? Also, can you please explain how to upload my message log file. I have never done this before. Thanks! -- KJAM KJAM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
If you don't know how not to run the ImageViewer, then you most likely don't do so anyway. Don't use any of the Flickr, Facebook or other screensavers which display photos. -- mherger Michael - http://www.herger.net/slim-plugins - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR mherger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] standalone Touch access to iTunes playlists ??
JJZolx;535250 Wrote: I've never quite understood the need for iTunes integration, but aren't iTunes playlists pretty much the _only_ reason to use it? And shouldn't it be pretty easy to transform paths if you give users a decent UI for specifying stuff like d:\music should be accessed as \\homeserver\music -- or \\touch\music should be /mnt/mydiskname/music (not that Touch uses disk names as mount point names)? -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77345 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
pounce;535388 Wrote: Do you work for C4DEALZ? No. I've never even heard of C4DEALZ before (and I wouldn't buy from them for that very reason). But, since all the other Squeezeboxes are sold by Amazon, I assume Amazon will be selling the Touch themselves before long. That said, my post above does reflect my self-interest. I want to know how good the Touch is before I buy it. I'm dying to get one, but I worry that the delayed release may indicate that it's inherently buggy. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Sike;535326 Wrote: The getting screwed was referring to the price. Logitech selling in through their own chanells 225 $ is quite a slap in the face... I don't mind finding the bugs. I don't want to use it as an alarm clock, to turn on/off any other equipment with it or link to facebook. I just want to listen to music. The issue is similar in Canada, where the CDN dollar is higher than the US dollar and yet the MSRP is $379.00 CDN. The Touch is not yet available in Canada and one rumour has it that it will be May before the CDN stock arrives. I can't speak to any extraordinary warranty requirements in Canada, but the packaging and software do have to be in both English and French. Still, the extra cost for this and other expenses such as cross-border shipping and customs brokerage do not justify the huge price disparity. There is no duty on items like this under NAFTA. As I have said in other posts, I do not mind spending a bit more for a product if I can buy it locally. But, I do mind being gouged on the price if the price delta is too large. The Internet has helped to bring some of this price discrimination in Canada under control because consumers can check prices around the world and register their dissatisfaction in one way or another if they think they are being ripped off. (A sunglass manufacturer once tried to block Canadian IP addresses to prevent Canadians from checking US prices--a lame and laughable attempt to prevent the knowledge of discrimatory pricing from becoming more widely known.) It does, however, baffle me that companies would continue such blatant price discrimination when people have such easy access to pricing information the world over. First, there is the damage that this discrimination does to their reputation--ie, it creates the perception that consumers exist in other countries only to be squeezed for their money and exploited by limiting purchasing options (eg, not being able to purchase from the Logitech US site directly). And, as you have so ably pointed out it is slap in the face to early adopters who have contributed to the promotion of the product. It is actually because of you and others in the Logitech community that I am interested in purchasing one of these and in fact have pulled some CAT5e cable from my server to my stereo in order to accomodate Ethernet connectivity with a Touch. Second, it hurts the relationship between retailers and manufacturers, who really should be partners in the promotion and selling of these products. If I were a CDN retailer I would be pretty upset to see a large chunk of my potential business go directly to the US because the CDN distributor wouldn't sell units to me at a competitive price. Who would want to be a retailer of Logitech products when consumer outrage over price discrimination would force me to cut my profit margin to the extent that I could only compete if I sold them for a loss or for a such a slim margin that it is not worth my while to sell them? This in turn must hurt the sales of the CDN distributors and negative consequences on the distribution chain. The US dollar is declining against almost every major currency in the world. One would hope that such blatant price discrimination cannot last over the long term. Consumers do have options. In my case, I have a US currency bank account and credit card and travel to the US a few times a year--I can pick up one in the US at a much reduced price to what I would have to pay in Canada. I would rather not have to do this, but I will if the blatant price discrimation continues. Or, I will simply choose not to purchase one at all and register my dissatisfaction that way--that is also an option. -- dmg dmg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] no touch in Switzerland ...
iPhone;535431 Wrote: Question: Are you under the impression that the Touch is 'made' in Switzerland just because Logitech is a Swiss company? The Touch is made in China. It has to be shipped to the EU. It would be my guess that Touch Units are in a central EU warehouse and not stock piled in Switzerland. I don't think anybody is under that impression. Although Switzerland is in Europe it is not in the EU. So it would be quite a bad idea to have any stock in Switzerland for tax reasons... -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77381 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535443 Wrote: The issue is similar in Canada, where the CDN dollar is higher than the US dollar and yet the MSRP is $379.00 CDN. The Touch is not yet available in Canada and one rumour has it that it will be May before the CDN stock arrives. Are you telling me that Canadians can't buy directly from U.S. internet retailers? Amazon.com in Seattle, Washington doesn't ship to Vancouver? (Not that Amazon.com has the Touch yet, but I'm sure they will soon.) I think most credit cards can be used to buy stuff in foreign currencies for a small fee. You do have the 'same electrical outlets as us' (http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051807490), right? -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] no touch in Switzerland ...
Sike;535454 Wrote: I don't think anybody is under that impression. It must be pretty clear that it is being produced an Asian country. If they made them in Switzerland you would probably have to take out a second morgage to buy one. What he meant is that Swiss companys are usualy over organized and are very precise on delivery dates etc. Although Switzerland is in Europe it is not in the EU. So it would be quite a bad idea to have any stock in Switzerland for tax reasons... BTW: I'm on it. Here is the thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77381 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
hawaiijim wrote: Are you telling me that Canadians can't buy directly from U.S. internet retailers? Amazon.com in Seattle, Washington doesn't ship to Vancouver? Absolutely they do. Then UPS adds $106 for handling the difficult task of crossing the border. Better plan is go through ebay and a user who will ship via post. -k ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] standalone Touch access to iTunes playlists ??
iTunes integration is important. For me, the ability for the Squeezebox access to the iTunes playlists is an extremely valuable feature! I'm sure there's MANY others who really appreciate this. I lve the power to have quick access to nicely tailored playlists from my music library, to instantly trigger the SB to play different moods of music. and I believe iTunes is the tool-of-choice to easily create playlists. I think the other aspects of iTunes integration ( extracting iTunes artwork, and to not include songs that are unchecked in iTunes ) are much less essential features. I appreciate the complications that could be involved with the different directory paths to music - with having the Touch mount the USB drive directly in standalone mode. But is Peter right above, where there's some logic rules to could be applied to transform the paths used by the windows computer to an appropriate path that is needed by TinySC to find the music files ?? such that this logic could be implemented to be performed by TinySC automatically, for making this iTunes integration work for the Touch in standalone mode? -- michaelday michaelday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34381 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77345 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
hawaiijim;535455 Wrote: Are you telling me that Canadians can't buy directly from U.S. internet retailers? Amazon.com in Seattle, Washington doesn't ship to Vancouver? (Not that Amazon.com has the Touch yet, but I'm sure they will soon.) I think most credit cards can be used to buy stuff in foreign currencies for a small fee. You do have the 'same electrical outlets as us' (http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051807490), right? If you live in Canada, you must purchase from the Amazon.ca Web site, not Amazon.com. The Amazon.ca Web site does not have the same range of products (especially in electronics) that the Amazon.com site has. And, when it does the have same products, Amazon.ca pricing is related to the CDN not US MSRP. It is the same story with Crutchfield and TigerDirect. They both have the CDN Web sites that list products with the discriminatory pricing intact. At one time, you were able to buy directly from the US Web sites, but they must have realized that there was more money to be squeezed out of Canadians by setting up CDN versions of their online stores. Or it could simply be they are forced in too many occasions to get product from the CDN distributors who provide inventory at a higher price for CDN sales. However, it is still possible to find online US retailers who will ship internationally. Usually, the mark up on shipping is a bit out of line, but even considering this mark up, it is often cheaper to buy directly from the US retailer. And, of course, there is always eBay. When the initial demand subsides, the Touch units will start appearing on eBay. It is not unheard to see something like 20-30 dollars for shipping on a product of the approximate weight and dimensions of the Touch. (Strangely, it is ofent a lot cheaper for shipping from Hong Kong to Canada than from a US address). However, it is usually a no brainer to make the purchase from an eBayer (discounted price of, say, 225 + 20 = 250 vs 379 + shipping in Canada). There is more risk in the purchase and returns can be problematic. But, most people would find the risk acceptable if they could save over 100.00 on the purchase. -- dmg dmg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535443 Wrote: The issue is similar in Canada, where the CDN dollar is higher than the US dollar and yet the MSRP is $379.00 CDN. The Touch is not yet available in Canada and one rumour has it that it will be May before the CDN stock arrives. I can't speak to any extraordinary warranty requirements in Canada, but the packaging and software do have to be in both English and French. Still, the extra cost for this and other expenses such as cross-border shipping and customs brokerage do not justify the huge price disparity. There is no duty on items like this under NAFTA. As I have said in other posts, I do not mind spending a bit more for a product if I can buy it locally. But, I do mind being gouged on the price if the price delta is too large. The Internet has helped to bring some of this price discrimination in Canada under control because consumers can check prices around the world and register their dissatisfaction in one way or another if they think they are being ripped off. (A sunglass manufacturer once tried to block Canadian IP addresses to prevent Canadians from checking US prices--a lame and laughable attempt to prevent the knowledge of discrimatory pricing from becoming more widely known.) It does, however, baffle me that companies would continue such blatant price discrimination when people have such easy access to pricing information the world over. First, there is the damage that this discrimination does to their reputation--ie, it creates the perception that consumers exist in other countries only to be squeezed for their money and exploited by limiting purchasing options (eg, not being able to purchase from the Logitech US site directly). And, as you have so ably pointed out it is slap in the face to early adopters who have contributed to the promotion of the product. It is actually because of you and others in the Logitech community that I am interested in purchasing one of these and in fact have pulled some CAT5e cable from my server to my stereo in order to accomodate Ethernet connectivity with a Touch. Second, it hurts the relationship between retailers and manufacturers, who really should be partners in the promotion and selling of these products. If I were a CDN retailer I would be pretty upset to see a large chunk of my potential business go directly to the US because the CDN distributor wouldn't sell units to me at a competitive price. Who would want to be a retailer of Logitech products when consumer outrage over price discrimination would force me to cut my profit margin to the extent that I could only compete if I sold them for a loss or for a such a slim margin that it is not worth my while to sell them? This in turn must hurt the sales of the CDN distributors and have negative consequences for the international distribution chain. The US dollar is declining against almost every major currency in the world. One would hope that such blatant price discrimination cannot last over the long term. Consumers do have options. In my case, I have a US currency bank account and credit card and travel to the US a few times a year--I can pick up one in the US at a much reduced price to what I would have to pay in Canada. I would rather not have to do this, but I will if the blatant price discrimation continues. Or, I will simply choose not to purchase one at all and register my dissatisfaction that way--that is also an option. Eh it's actually made in china and logitech is a swiss company, so stock arrives from china to each market. I'm a early adopter I bent over and prepared myself to be screwed autumn 2009, but I have a Touch *now* :-D I can rise my back now. But they do gouge the price the pre-sales blurb from logitech was -same price as SB Classic- This is essentially true in US. SB3 (with wifi) was introduced at aprox 300$ But this does not correspond to the EU price, SB3 was more expensive in EU than in US right ? So then we may have the right to expect that the Touch would be released in EU at the same price as SB3 aka Classic was originally going for. But No it is even more expensive ! (here is the price gouge hint hint) That irritates me little -same price as SB3- was promised from logitech on this very forum, live up to that on *all* markets, given that same price is what SB3 was at that market. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Mnyb;535473 Wrote: That irritates me little -same price as SB3- was promised from logitech on this very forum, live up to that on *all* markets, given that same price is what SB3 was at that market. True story. I'll second that. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Disable audio outputs when off?
peterw;535233 Wrote: Yeah, I cringed a bit when I read the language in the announcement that -The Squeezebox Touch has the same capabilities of a Squeezebox Classic- -- it certainly doesn't have *all* the capabilities, even though Touch does add several cool new features and improvements. I thought I had done my due diligence and researched the differences in depth enough. I was aware of the bridging functionality not begin available. I am surprised this issue was not identified (or perhaps it was) during beta testing as it was a bit of a hot topic with the SB3. Anyway, hopefully the bug gets enough votes for Logitech to seriously look at implementing this capability. In the meantime I will continue using my SB3 and use the Touch as a glorified remote. -- AnotherTribe AnotherTribe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77360 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Disable audio outputs when off?
peterw;535233 Wrote: Yeah, I cringed a bit when I read the language in the announcement that -The Squeezebox Touch has the same capabilities of a Squeezebox Classic- -- it certainly doesn't have *all* the capabilities, even though Touch does add several cool new features and improvements. I thought I had done my due diligence and researched the differences in depth enough. I was aware of the bridging functionality not begin available. I am surprised this issue was not identified (or perhaps it was) during beta testing as it was a bit of a hot topic with the SB3. Anyway, hopefully the bug gets enough votes for Logitech to seriously look at implementing this capability. In the meantime I will continue using my SB3 and use the Touch as a glorified remote. -- AnotherTribe AnotherTribe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77360 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
I will say it again. The EU is still a Capitalist part of the world. One thing drives all prices in all Capitalist areas and that is Supply and Demand with Market driven pricing. The Market determines the price of goods in a free market. If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. It is that simple. Supply and Demand as well as the fiduciary responsibility of the company to its share holders requires them to seek the highest price the market will bear, since Logitech is a publicly traded company. Period. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch in sleep mode and USB HDD
I plug a new WD elements 1 TB in my Touch, but after 15 minutes on screensaver the HDD was always on. After ejected the HDD : HDD on After ejected and disconnected (plug out the USB cable) : HDD off After how many times your USB drives go to sleep mode ? -- roubil roubil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37518 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77284 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
I have now successfully test 2 USB hard drives and I'm going with my 500gb Iomega 2.5 drive. Cost £55.00 from Comet. With the drive connected directly to the Touch is it possible to build up on the fly playlists from within the Touch ? If so, what is the easiest way to do it ? Thanks -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535490 Wrote: I will say it again. The EU is still a Capitalist part of the world. One thing drives all prices in all Capitalist areas and that is Supply and Demand with Market driven pricing. The Market determines the price of goods in a free market. If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. It is that simple. Supply and Demand as well as the fiduciary responsibility of the company to its share holders requires them to seek the highest price the market will bear, since Logitech is a publicly traded company. Period. If it was that simple in reality... -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535490 Wrote: I will say it again. The EU is still a Capitalist part of the world. One thing drives all prices in all Capitalist areas and that is Supply and Demand with Market driven pricing. The Market determines the price of goods in a free market. If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. It is that simple. Supply and Demand as well as the fiduciary responsibility of the company to its share holders requires them to seek the highest price the market will bear, since Logitech is a publicly traded company. Period. I would say that Logitech has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profits, not just to price units at the highest price that the markets will bear. So, the calculation of price in a particular market is neither straighforward or simple. If discriminatory pricing damages reputation and hurts the international distribution channels to the extent that sales volume suffers and potential profits are not maximized, they would have an obligation to reduce prices in those market segments. I am not sure if they are anywhere near that point, since consumer outrage at discriminatory pricing is muted by the fact that many who are patient can find ways around discriminatory pricing in artifically created market segments by purchasing the product from a US retailer at some point in the future. But, they and other manufacturers are not immune to these pressures, which will only grow as the US dollar continues its decline for the short term. -- dmg dmg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535471 Wrote: If you live in Canada, you must purchase from the Amazon.ca Web site, not Amazon.com. This doesn't seem right to me. I can go to Amazon.com (not Amazon.ca) right now and see their 'shipping rates to Canada' (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_596184_faq?nodeId=596192): $7.99 per shipment plus $1.99 per item. These rates are different than the 'rates listed on Amazon.ca' (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8nodeId=915472), even though, 'according to Economist.com' (http://www.economist.com/markets/), the U.S. dollar is currently roughly equal in value to the Canadian dollar. On the Amazon.com page, 'it says' (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_lnship_int?nodeId=596184): Amazon.com gladly accepts orders from all around the globe. Available product lines, shipping rates and fees may vary depending on the delivery address for your order. On the Amazon.ca page, 'it says' (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_lnav_dyn?ie=UTF8nodeId=915470): Amazon.ca can ship to almost any address in the world. Click the links to the left for more information on costs and delivery times. Of course, I don't live in Canada so you probably know better than me, but when the Squeezebox Touch becomes available from Amazon.com it may be worth your while to at least attempt to buy it from Amazon.com (unless you REALLY need instructions in French). -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] standalone Touch access to iTunes playlists ??
peterw;535421 Wrote: And shouldn't it be pretty easy to transform paths if you give users a decent UI for specifying stuff like d:\music should be accessed as \\homeserver\music -- or \\touch\music should be /mnt/mydiskname/music (not that Touch uses disk names as mount point names)? Sure, it's no problem at all, I do more or less exactly this in the module in TrackStat that import ratings from iTunes. For it to work with the bundled iTunes plugin it can't easily be implemented as a third party plugin though. However, it would be possible for a third party developer to implement a new separate iTunes Playlist Importer plugin that had this logic. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77345 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which tags?
awy;535328 Wrote: That is the timestamp of when *composerInArtists* was last changed. You need to find the preference without the *_ts_* prefix. Oh, I see. Thanks. I might play with this at a later date. I don't really need to use Touch as a server at the moment. If I change the prefs, can I do a factory reset as a last resort if somethng goes awry? -- Phileas Phileas Lounge:(PC)TouchBenchmark DAC1Audiolab 8000PFocal 714v Study:(PC)SB3Beresford CaimanSennheiser HD580/Audiolab 8000AMission 70 Bedroom:(PC)Boom Phileas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20367 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77325 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535490 Wrote: I will say it again. The EU is still a Capitalist part of the world. As in Not communist ? iPhone;535490 Wrote: One thing drives all prices in all Capitalist areas and that is Supply and Demand with Market driven pricing. The Market determines the price of goods in a free market. If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. But not for that long. Eventualy things like grey (Parallel) imports will pick up ... leading to guaranties that are not valid in the county they are sold, thus making Joe Sixpack unhappy when his device breaks after 11 months.. etc. iPhone;535490 Wrote: It is that simple. Supply and Demand as well as the fiduciary responsibility of the company to its share holders requires them to seek the highest price the market will bear, since Logitech is a publicly traded company. Period. The problem is that in the US the median household income varies by city and state, but everyone pays the same price. Someone who lives in New Jersy or Maryland is more likely to earn double than someone in Mississippi or West Virginia. But everyone gets the same price. In europe it's easier for companies to set a price per country. My main point of this thread was that Logitech is/was selling the device for 225 $ themselves, not a discounter, while we europeans have to wait until it becomes availible and then pay double. -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Sike;535520 Wrote: My main point of this thread was that Logitech is/was selling the device for 225 $ themselves, not a discounter, while we europeans have to wait until it becomes availible and then pay double. You could always move to the states. We'd love to have you. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535490 Wrote: I will say it again. The EU is still a Capitalist part of the world. One thing drives all prices in all Capitalist areas and that is Supply and Demand with Market driven pricing. The Market determines the price of goods in a free market. If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. It is that simple. Supply and Demand as well as the fiduciary responsibility of the company to its share holders requires them to seek the highest price the market will bear, since Logitech is a publicly traded company. Period. Exactly and complaining in a forum will not solve this, the only indication the market will understand is if people doesn't buy the product. Unfortunately that would mean that you can't get the best audio streaming product on the market if you live in the wrong country, most of us doesn't accept that so we buy it anyway to the higher price and the market continues to do the same thing in the future. As mentioned, this isn't specific to Logitech, all most big international companies does the same thing. I'm not recommending people to not buy the Touch, it's worth all you have to pay for it. I'm just saying that either you accept the higher price in your country or you go through the hassle of having to wait a bit and order it from US through some intermediate company since that seems to be cheaper. Believe me, you aren't going to make Logitech change their price strategy by posting your complains here in the forum, the people that need to see the complains don't even read this forum. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which tags?
Phileas;535518 Wrote: If I change the prefs, can I do a factory reset as a last resort if somethng goes awry? Yes or just delete the server.prefs file and it will be re-created with the default values next time the built-in server is started. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77325 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535522 Wrote: If I follow the link to the Amazon Global Program store, I notice that the Touch is not available through this link. But, as I said, I have not tried to complete a checkout on Amazon.com for the Touch. For the record, the Touch is not yet available from Amazon.com in the U.S. I'm just assuming it will be soon. They've got all the other Squeezeboxes. As a test, try to see what info you get for a Squeezebox Boom. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
GOT IT reduced the cover sizes then plugged the hard drive int the mains while it scanned left it to do it's buisness bingo full scan. Although the SBT plays the music off the hard drive just fine powering it from the usb port, I think during the scan it must just be close enough to the power limits to cause the odd glitch, enough to cause the errors. Just speculation on my part but seems plausible. Anyway it worked so I'm an happy bunny Bring on the FLOYD. -- Gomez Gomez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535490 Wrote: I will say it again. The EU is still a Capitalist part of the world. One thing drives all prices in all Capitalist areas and that is Supply and Demand with Market driven pricing. The Market determines the price of goods in a free market. If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. It is that simple. Supply and Demand as well as the fiduciary responsibility of the company to its share holders requires them to seek the highest price the market will bear, since Logitech is a publicly traded company. Period. This isn't a general definition of the capitalist market at all. It is a definition of a specific form of the capitalist market: the current hyper capitalist market only driven by what you tell it was always only drive by. It says a lot that this current hyper capitalist system is presented by you as THE definition of capitalism. This system only exists for some 20 years and has lead to several disasters in the recent past and will lead to more in the near future if we don't get rid of the hyper before capitalist. In a normal capitalist society a company not only has responsibility to it's stockholders but to their customers and the rest of the society also. Especially this statement: If Logitech can get more for a Touch in one place then in another, they are REQUIRED to. is a joke invented by neo-con hyper capitalist market apologetics. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Gomez;535538 Wrote: GOT IT reduced the cover sizes then plugged the hard drive into the mains while it scanned left it to do it's buisness bingo full scan. Although the SBT plays the music off the hard drive just fine powering it from the usb port, I think during the scan it must just be close enough to the power limits to cause the odd glitch, enough to cause the errors. Just speculation on my part but seems plausible. Anyway it worked so I'm an happy bunny Bring on the FLOYD. Gomez...can you give me some idea about how many cover art files you have and how big they are? Just curious what size you reduced all of your files to. I have 625 files and they average around 100 to 200kb each and I get the error when I reach around 85% of my album art scan. I was only getting to about 25% of my album art scan before I reduced them from much larger. I'm wondering if spending the time to reduce the file size even more might get me a full scan. -- KJAM KJAM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Gomez;535538 Wrote: GOT IT reduced the cover sizes then plugged the hard drive into the mains while it scanned left it to do it's buisness bingo full scan. Although the SBT plays the music off the hard drive just fine powering it from the usb port, I think during the scan it must just be close enough to the power limits to cause the odd glitch, enough to cause the errors. Just speculation on my part but seems plausible. Anyway it worked so I'm an happy bunny Bring on the FLOYD. Gomez...can you give me some idea about how many cover art files you have and how big they are? Just curious what size you reduced all of your files to. I have 625 files and they average around 100 to 200kb each and I get the error when I reach around 85% of my album art scan. I was only getting to about 25% of my album art scan before I reduced them from much larger. I'm wondering if spending the time to reduce the file size even more might get me a full scan. -- KJAM KJAM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
hawaiijim;535531 Wrote: For the record, the Touch is not yet available from Amazon.com in the U.S. I'm just assuming it will be soon. They've got all the other Squeezeboxes. As a test, try to see what info you get for a Squeezebox Boom. I just checked Amazon.com again and noticed that one retailer is now selling for 334.99. I don't think the price is adjusted because of my CDN IP address, although others might want to check it out. That's capitalism for you. : ) The pent up demand is causing at least one retailer to jack prices. As an aside, I also note the following in the product description: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. -- dmg dmg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535523 Wrote: Again its not discriminatory pricing, its the price that market will bear. Actually, 'it is price discrimination' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination): Wikipedia Wrote: Price discrimination, or price differentiation [1], exists when sales of identical goods or services are transacted at different prices from the same provider. In general, the practice of charging different customers different prices is called price discrimination.[1] In a theoretical market with perfect information, perfect substitutes, and no transaction costs or prohibition on secondary exchange (or re-selling) to prevent arbitrage, price discrimination can only be a feature of monopolistic and oligopolistic markets[2], where market power can be exercised. Discrimination in this case is not a bad thing, it's just a way of maximizing revenue. Actually, the definition I quoted appears to be incorrect. A better definition is 'here' (http://ingrimayne.com/econ/Monopoly/PriceDiscrimination.html). A seller price discriminates when it charges different prices to different buyers. The ideal form of price discrimination, from the seller's point of view, is to charge each buyer the maximum that the buyer is willing to pay. Sometimes price discrimination is done with different versions of the same product, such as the different versions of MS Windows 7 that sell at different prices. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
hawaiijim;535531 Wrote: For the record, the Touch is not yet available from Amazon.com in the U.S. I'm just assuming it will be soon. They've got all the other Squeezeboxes. As a test, try to see what info you get for a Squeezebox Boom. I just checked Amazon.com again and noticed that one retailer is now selling for 334.99. I don't think the price is adjusted because of my CDN IP address, although others might want to check it out. That's capitalism for you. : ) The pent up demand is causing at least one retailer to jack prices. As an aside, I also note the following in the product description: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. -- dmg dmg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535523 Wrote: Again its not discriminatory pricing, its the price that market will bear. Actually, 'it is price discrimination' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination): Wikipedia Wrote: Price discrimination, or price differentiation [1], exists when sales of identical goods or services are transacted at different prices from the same provider. In general, the practice of charging different customers different prices is called price discrimination.[1] In a theoretical market with perfect information, perfect substitutes, and no transaction costs or prohibition on secondary exchange (or re-selling) to prevent arbitrage, price discrimination can only be a feature of monopolistic and oligopolistic markets[2], where market power can be exercised. Discrimination in this case is not a bad thing, it's just a way of maximizing revenue. Actually, the definition I quoted appears to be incorrect. A better definition is 'here' (http://ingrimayne.com/econ/Monopoly/PriceDiscrimination.html). A seller price discriminates when it charges different prices to different buyers. The ideal form of price discrimination, from the seller's point of view, is to charge each buyer the maximum that the buyer is willing to pay. Sometimes price discrimination is done with different versions of the same product, such as the different versions of MS Windows 7 that sell at different prices. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
KJAM;535551 Wrote: Gomez...can you give me some idea about how many cover art files you have and how big they are? Just curious what size you reduced all of your files to. I have 625 files and they average around 100 to 200kb each and I get the error when I reach around 85% of my album art scan. I was only getting to about 25% of my album art scan before I reduced them from much larger. I'm wondering if spending the time to reduce the file size even more might get me a full scan. Hi Mate I've got around 1500 Albums on this drive in Flac format so there would be around 1600 covers (Taking into account double cd's 1 in each folder) I just connected the drive to my laptop searched for jpeg files over 400KB if you haven't tried it yet plug the drive in to external power. -- Gomez Gomez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535553 Wrote: I just checked Amazon.com again and noticed that one retailer is now selling for 334.99. I don't think the price is adjusted because of my CDN IP address, although others might want to check it out. That's capitalism for you. : ) The pent up demand is causing at least one retailer to jack prices. As an aside, I also note the following in the product description: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. Ha! That's funny. I see it too. That retailer was selling it for $299.99 about an hour ago. It must be selling well compared to the available stock. When I say Amazon.com I mean Amazon.com itself, not one of its shady sellers. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Turn off other players from Touch
I'm running Touch as a server (STS) and also using it to control and serve sync'd files to a Radio and a Receiver. The Off problem. I am having trouble switching the other device on and/or off. If I select them via choose player and then use the Touch Standby button. The remote player stops, the Touch screen goes dark but the Touch continues playing (and displaying the time). If I want to control the Touch or server as player, I need to bring it out of this mode. The only option seems to be, tap the screen, hit the standby and the remote device switches back on. The ON problem. This is a bit more intermittant, and was working okay when I started typing this, but has since stopped. Right now my controller 'attached' to a separate WHS SBS server only sees the two players 'attached' to that server. This makes swapping a server from one to the other difficult. Occasionally I have done this this by 'getting' the controller to see the STS by using Switch Library within My Music to switch to STS. However the Controller can't see STS at the moment and this has the undesired affect of moving a player from one server to the other. At this point the webui can see all players as can the STS, which are no good if I'm in another room with the controller! If I've missed something obvious I'm happy to learn/be corrected/ridiculed. -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77392 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
Gomez;535560 Wrote: Hi Mate I've got around 1500 Albums on this drive in Flac format so there would be around 1600 covers (Taking into account double cd's 1 in each folder) I just connected the drive to my laptop searched for jpeg files over 400KB if you haven't tried it yet plug the drive in to external power. Thanks for the info...I did the same thing you did by searching for jpg. files. I could not figure out though how to resize them all at once...I had to do most of them individually. What's the trick for reducing them all in one shot? I'm starting to think this is not my problem though, seeing that you only reduced your files that were over 400kb and you have 1600 files. I only have 625 files and all are under 400kb. What size are your files? -- KJAM KJAM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7943 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Alternate Touch stand
I use small rubber foam pucks made for hifi components. If they only made the stand hinged.. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77393 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Alternate Touch stand
A couple of people have mentioned this on other forums. As i said way back near the start of the beta test, the touch really needs an adjustable stand (its current one is easily removed as a wall mount kit may/may not be available at some point). Would be a great accessory to buy :) -- autopilot Cheers, auto. *lounge:* squeezebox 3, squeezebox controller, cambridge audio 640a, mission 701's *kitchen:* squeezebox touch, trends ta-10.1, kef cresta 1's. *bedroom:* squeezebox boom *bathroom/garden:* squeezebox radio *car:* ipod classic 80gb *portable:* iphone 3gs 32gb (+ipeng) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77393 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] How do you upgrade Touch
How do you upgrade Touch's internal SBS? Is it done like when the other players download a firmware or can choose to upgrade to a beta-version? -- Kuben72 /Kuben72 1 Duet, 1 SBR, 1 SB3 and 1 Boom Kuben72's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15308 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77394 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Local music service has been stopped due to a problem
KJAM, the continual rescanning has been driven by several reasons. 1) I had to tweak delete a load of duplicates (my USB harddrive is acting as family backup so have sister and GF's music on it, which overlaps). If I could have pointed at a file within USB this may have been avoided 2) I was then fixing the tags on the non-dupe's in their libraries. 3) Then I powered it all off overnight 4) Then I have switched it off numerous times to try and get it to behave! I finished tweaking the files early this morning and this afternoon it seems to have settled down - we'll see what tomorrow brings. Note, since mine are embedded in FLAC they maybe handled differently ? Mitch -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77322 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] standalone Touch access to iTunes playlists ??
michaelday;535583 Wrote: Thanks Erland, I'm not a developer. Is there a process ( or some other way to motivate :-) to get Logitech or a third party developer to build a new separate iTunes Playlist Importer plugin that would have this logic ? - Logitech: Post an enhancement request at http://bugs.slimdevices.com and ask people to vote for it - Third party developer: Try to make someone interested, asking in the 3rd party plugin section could be a good start. If you get Apple to implement FLAC support in iTunes, I'll implement an iTunes Playlist Importer plugin for free. :-) There is a small problem which I forgot to mention though. The build-in server doesn't officially support third party plugins. It's still possible to use third party plugins but you will need to install them manually through ssh (for example by installing putty on Windows). -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77345 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How do you upgrade Touch
Kuben72;535610 Wrote: How do you upgrade Touch's internal SBS? Is it done like when the other players download a firmware or can choose to upgrade to a beta-version? It's included in the firmware. You can force an upgrade to a nightly release by installing the latest nightly build of SBS on a computer and temporarily connect the Touch to it. Without a standalone SBS, the Touch firmware will be upgraded through MySB.com and then it will only be upgraded to official releases (no beta versions). -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77394 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon shipping yet?
Is anyone from the Squeezebox team able to comment on when Amazon might be getting stock / if they will get stock? -- crazyj crazyj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77060 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help setting up Touch
Make sure you haven't enabled MAC filtering in your router that results in that it can't get a network connection. MAC filtering is usually disabled, so if you haven't enabled it manually that's probably not the cause. If it tries to connect to MySB.com it feels like this shouldn't be the problem. There has been some disturbances in the MySB.com service in Europe during the last week. Possibly that could have caused the setup process to get in some unexpected state. You can try to do a factory reset by holding the reset button above the power connector until the Logitech logo appears on the screen, I think it takes about 15 seconds or so. Release the reset button as soon as you see the Logitech logo on the screen. Before you try the factory reset, you can open up a web browser towards http://mysqueezebox.com and make sure it's available. I'd recommend you to use wired connection during the setup process to make sure your problems aren't caused by some network problem. You can re-configure it to use Wireless through the settings menu later if that's what you like to use. If that doesn't work, I'd recommend that you contact Logitech support: http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/support/contact-support.html -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77396 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
