Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] sbt and Wimp/Todal streaming in USA
photonblur wrote:
Will squeezebox touch stream Tidal?
Might be a good idea to keep your eyes open in this forum during next
couple of weeks ;-)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Trackstat rating with remote on Touch
You can do it by hold touching an item so the context menu shows up and
then select the Rating sub menu and set the rating you want.
Via IR-remote you can access the context menu using +/More button.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is the standard Spotify pluggin working for anyone today? .... Can't even search
Cut-Throat wrote:
I keep getting a 401 Unauthorized .
It works for me (on a Radio).
Are you able to access other mysqueezebox.com provided apps in the My
Apps menu ?
If you are, do you still have a payed Spotify Premium subscription so it
can stream to mobile devise and Squeezeboxes ? Does it work to use
Spotify on a smart phone ?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 3rd Party Plugins Vanished from LMS Control Panel Settings ?
adamg wrote:
Thanks garym I am familiar with the PLUGINS page. Strangely that option
is missing too ? Not a word of 3rd Party plugins on the page ? I haven't
reinstalled the server software yet which I guess I should but really
don't want to go through set up again.
I have managed to get the official plugin working again by reinstalling
/ rebooting. Guess I'll just wait for the 'not available in your region'
to pop up again.
Sounds like the Extension Downloader plugin is disabled for some
reason, try to activate it and see if that solves it.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] We couldn't connect to mysqueezebox.com
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100542-Can-t-connect-to-MySqueezebox-com
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SBT - Using a NAS for music Apps iPeng and Squeezepad
zebb wrote:
If I switch over to a NAS will I still be able to use the iPad apps,
iPeng and Squeezepad? Any recommendations for a NAS would be greatly
appreciated.
Generally many NAS boxes have performance issues when LMS is running on
the NAS, to get decent performance you often have to select a more
expensive NAS model than you need. Due to this it's often better to get
an old slow computer to run LMS on if you won't want to run it on your
main computer. I personally have a NAS but I only store the music files
on the NAS and run LMS on a computer put away in a storage room where I
don't hear or see it.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote:
LMS and Touch are such an important part of my Stereo System that I
would not like to go without them.
Does anyone have any new information on what the future of LMS is? Or is
there any other product in the market that would have the same
functionality of a Touch and LMS?
It's too early to worry about this as long as you don't have an urgent
need to enhance your system with new devices:
- LMS is still maintained on the same level as it was a year ago, the
only difference is that that Touch hardware is now longer sold in the
warehouses.
- mysqueezebox.com is still maintained on the same level as it was a
year ago, the only difference is that we are now unlikely to get
completely new online services added.
- There are at least two projects going with community members that
looks promising
-- CommunitySqueeze that intends to make an affordable hardware player
with top notch audio quality
-- ickStream Music Platform that intends to make a new platform for
music streaming which will ensure online streaming services will also
work in the future
- There are a lot of smaller projects also except for the above two
I'm personally not that worried about LMS, if Logitech would stop
maintaining it I'm sure someone from the community would pick it up and
continue the maintenance. LMS is really good as music server and there
are a lot of skilled people in this community, so I doubt it will die as
long as this community exists. There is no reason for the community to
maintain their own version of LMS as long as Logitech handles the
maintenance satisfactory.
I'll start worry about mysqueezebox.com the day it starts to break, but
hopefully ickStream is in place before that happens and fortunately
Spotify will work already today through LMS and Triode's third party
Spotify plugin.
To my knowledge, there is currently nothing else on the market that can
match Touch+LMS from a feature perspective. If you want an eco system
for the whole house, Sonos is probably closest, but as we know it also
has some limitations. If you want high-end audio and can't wait for
CommunitySqueeze, you should probably look at one of the streaming
devices produced by a HiFi manufacturers, but they are usually not that
feature rich and they usually don't have different types of devices to
make it work as an affordable whole house solution. A Wandboard or
Raspberry Pi together with a decent USB DAC is a good DIY solution for a
headless player at the moment if you want something that's Squeezebox
compatible, just be aware that some of the mysqueezebox.com provided
online services will not work on such devices.
Based on this, my advice would be to wait and enjoy your Touch+LMS as
long as it works and start looking for something else when it starts to
break.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any updates on the future of LMS and Touch or any suitable replacement ?
Cut-Throat wrote:
I am interested in following the progress of CommunitySqueeze. Is there
a website that posts progress updates on this?
As I've understood it:
- Website: http://www.communitysqueeze.org/
- Announcement thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98521-Announce-Community-Squeeze
- Software thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99395-Community-Squeeze-OS-F19-Release-1
- Hardware thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-Community-Funded-Squeezebox-Replacement-Would-you-be-interested
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Raspberry PI with Squeezebox Touch Questions
danfzx9r wrote:
Some of the questions I have are once I receive the Raspberry PI do I
install SqueezePlug or the piCorePlayer on it? Or do I need to install
both? Is there anything else I need to install? Once the Raspberry PI is
configured do I connect the touch via a short ethernet cable, plug my
hard drive into the Raspberry PI USB port then scan the music library?
Is any of this sounding correct? It seems pretty simple if that is it.
If not, is there a link somewhere that tells me the steps I need to do
to get the Raspberry PI up and running as the server using the touch as
the interface to my USB hard drive? Much thanks in advance!
In general the procedure you describe is correct, you want to install
SqueezePlug on the Rasperry PI, the SqueezePlug wiki have fairly
detailed instructions how to do it:
http://squeezeplug.eu/wiki/index.php/SqueezePlug#SqueezePlug_Raspberry_Pi_Image
After SqueezePlug is running on the PI and you have scanned the music,
you should be able to connect the Touch to it by browsing into the My
Music menu on the Touch and select the PI as server.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Raspberry PI with Squeezebox Touch Questions
castalla wrote:
The crucial part, however, is how to get the Touch and Pi to see each
other if they are NOT on a network .
Option 1(Easiest): Get a router and connect them both to it, the router
does not have to have an internet connection.
Option 2: Install a DHCP server on the Raspberry Pi and connect a
network cable between the Touch and Pi, possibly you might need a
Ethernet crossover cable but I suspect it might also work with a normal
cable.
Option 3: Configure both to use a static IP and connect a network cable
between the Touch and Pi, possibly you might need a Ethernet crossover
cable but I suspect it might also work with a normal cable.
Personally, I would selection option 1 if I wasn't familiar with Linux
and just get a cheap router and save me some struggle.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie Needs Help - Touch VU meter
LAEvans wrote:
Hi all,
I've just got my first Touch (having had a Classic for a few years) and
am wondering how i get/install better VU meters. I have searched the
forums and google and I like the look of the DarkMeter2 from
http://unites.un.funpic.de/VU/
But, I am extremely confused as to how to install this on my Touch.
Can anyone give me an easy to follow step by step guide of how to
install this VU meter.
There are two alternatives:
Alternative 1:
- On your Touch, install Patch Install through
Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer menu
- On your Touch, goto Settings/Advanced/Patch Installer menu and select
to install the VU meter you want
This will replace the default VU meter available on the Now Playing
screen to the one you selected.
Alternative 2:
- On your Touch, install License Manager and Custom Clock applet
through Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer menu
- On your Touch, goto Settings/Screen/Screensavers/Custom Clock
settings/ and select a free configuration slot and select one of the VU
meter styles
- On your Touch, goto Settings/Screen/Screensavers/When Playing/ and
select the Custom Clock configuration you setup in the previous step.
With alternative 2 you can run the VU meter as a screen saver or launch
it from the Extras/Custom Clock menu manually.
For alternative 2, you are also going to have to get a license for
Custom Clock. You can get a free 30-day evaluation license through
http://license.isaksson.info to try it out before purchasing. The
easiest way to view available licenses if you have LMS installed is to
install License Manager plugin through LMS Settings/Plugins and
show/purchase licenses through LMS Settings/Advanced/License Manager
settings page.
If you are happy with the current VU meter behavior and just want other
graphics, alternative 1 is probably the best option.
Alternative 2 is more oriented to people who like to customized it more
and for example adjust the textual information shown on the VU meter.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie Needs Help - Touch VU meter
JJZolx wrote:
Agreed. Touch has much less customization. It works a bit differently,
so poke around in the Touch's settings interface and you'll find some
additional options that you won't find in the web interface. You won't a
lot for controlling the look of the display, though. You can set the
background, for instance, but you can't set the scrolling rate or text
size.
Agreed, unless you are a developer.
If you are a developer it's possible to customize the Touch a lot more
because we have access to all the source code, but this is of course not
easily accessible to normal users. Patches can be installed through
Patch Installer applet, but it relies on that a developer have published
a patch with the exact configuration values you want. As an example, I
know there are some patches for background color and text size but I
think they are related to the Controller and Radio and not the Touch.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie Needs Help - Touch VU meter
LAEvans wrote:
Thank you for your response. I tried both of your suggestions but
neither have the VU meter that I'm wanting.
The one i want is the DarkMeter2 from http://unites.un.funpic.de/VU/
Specify the repository URL mentioned at the top of that web page
(http://unites.un.funpic.de/VU/meters.xml ) in LMS Settings/Plugins.
After that you should be able to select it in Settings/Advanced/Patch
Installer on your Touch.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Google Play Music
pippin wrote: Any 3rd party can use these hackes APIs but you won't see any official or commercial implementations based on it The gMusic app is commercial. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gmusic-a-google-music-player/id472342018 However, anyone doing it need to be prepared to be shutdown or engaged in legal action. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98780 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
Recoveryone wrote: Glad this thread was bumped up, so I could install these cool looking VU meters. My only question is about the license, how much? The ones installed through Patch Installer is free. The ones installed through Custom Clock requires a license to Custom Clock applet and that's currently $5/year or $20 for a life time license, if you are using several of my other plugins/applets it could also be worth to consider the package prices to get all of them ($20/year or $50 for a life time license). You make the payment either from License Manager settings page in LMS (if you are using LMS on a computer) or directly through my web site if you are not using LMS: http://license.isaksson.info erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77117 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
cat6man wrote: thanks for the quick response. by the way, are there any small portable hdd/NAS that i can install the server software on? Checkout SqueezePlug and the NAS boxes it supports, they are supposed to be low power and is reasonable small and it's easy to install SqueezePlug (which includes LMS) on them. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?90931-SqueezePlug-Media-Server-4-0-%28final-Release%29 erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Question from an old newbie
agentsmith wrote: 1. Where is the best source for a comprehensive list of support documents, FAQs, Downloads, betas, list of plugins, manuals etc...? I tried the Wiki and the info seems pretty thin and not updated. For plugins, the only updated list is the Plugins tab in LMS Settings page, just be sure to enable the checkbox so it shows all plugins and not just the recommended ones which is the default. There are plugin documentations on the wiki for individual plugins which are fairly updated (for example mine) but the plugin lists on the wiki is no longer updated so it's better to start looking in the Plugins tab of LMS. On the Touch you also have the possibility to install third party applets directly on the Touch, these are found in the Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer menu directly on the Touch, they also have a checkbox to show all applets by default it only shows recommended applets. For support documents/FAQ's, what we have is the unofficial information on the wiki and the official information at http://support.logitech.com/, I think this also have references to user manuals. Beta versions is available here http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ agentsmith wrote: 2. After so many years of accumulation, my music library is getting quite bloated with tens of thousands of tracks, most tracks were converted to ALAC when I switched platforms, but some FLACs as well. The initial scan took hours but after it is done I noticed that access is so slow the Touch constantly times out trying to connect to the (Macboook Pro) LMS server. Would using iTunes integration solve this problem? (I noticed that iTunes seems quite happy with a crazy size library without much speed penalty.) I don't think iTunes integration helps. Are you running any third party plugins that might execute stuff in the background causing problem ? Feels strange that a Macbook Pro should have any performance issues unless you have hundred thousands tracks or something similar. There is some settings in LMS Settings/Advanced/Performance regarding Database Memory Config and Server Priority which you could try to experiment with to see if they make any difference. Do you have a good network connection between the Macbook Pro and the Touch ? If not, that could possibly explain some performance issues. agentsmith wrote: 3. Since I have FLAC files as well, can the server be configured to support both iTunes and LMS native for FLAC files? iTunes doesn't support FLAC, you can ask Apple for it but so far they have refused to answer any requests in this direction. Converting the FLAC's to ALAC is probably the only way you would be able to make your whole library work in both iTunes and LMS. I think LMS should scan both FLAC and ALAC files as long as you have entered the music folder in LMS Settings, possibly you might have to disable the iTunes integration but if I remember correctly it shouldn't be necessary and it should work as long as you have a Music Folder configured in LMS. agentsmith wrote: 4. I used to add music files manually from Windoze by going to Radio, enter URL of my NAS directoy directly by entering a UNC something like FILE://servername/music/artist/albumn. How would I do that from a Mac? I tried FILE://servername/music/artist/albumn but it didn't work. smb://servername/music/artist/albumn erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97459 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Worried about of the future of LMS..................
GeeJay wrote: Do you recall where you saw this? That's been one of my concerns, which I've yet to find addressed from an official source. It's not an official source, but it comes from a Logitech employee so it's likely fairly reliable: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96188-New-Squeezebox-Radiop=714375viewfull=1#post714375 erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96262 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Show RSS het SB Touch is 'off'
cornetje wrote: Second question: It seems that the refresh at the moment minimum of 1 minute is. Can Custom clock be configured that the RSS is read every second? I try to use the Touch as a monitor for pager messages. The RSS server is locate in house, including all the software which populates the RSS. So i don't mind that the client (SB Touch in this case) will query every second. of at least every two seconds. At the moment is restricted to 1 minute in the code, it's certainly possible to change that but I want to analyze it a bit to see if it would cause any other issues before I promise anything. If you are familiar with development and want to do the changes yourself, it's this part of the code in CustomClockApplet.lua that handles the updates: Code: elseif item.itemtype == rsstext or item.itemtype == rssicon then local url = _getString(item.url,default) if forcedUpdate or (self.lastminute!=minute and minute % _getNumber(item.refreshinterval,30) == 0) then You just have to modify the if statement so it enters every time instead of only once per minute or when the refreshinterval criteria as been fulfilled. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Show RSS het SB Touch is 'off'
cornetje wrote: I have tried to install 'Custom Clock', which supports a RSS reader function, however, i only get a default RSS feed and not the one i have configured on the server. You can change the feed shown through Custom Clock Helper plugin settings page if you install Custom Clock Helper plugin in the server. As far as I know there are currently no other option than Custom Clock if you like to run a RSS as screen saver on the Touch. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Who could tell me the reason that the SBT doesn't support the East Asian Scripts?
pingfloid wrote: Hi Erland. Where can I find that Font Replacer? If I go to Settings Advanced Applet Installer I can only see two applets: BBC Radio and World Clock. Thank You. You need to uncheck the Settings Advanced Applet Installer Recommended Applet Only option first, after that you will see all available applets including Font Replacer erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95811 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Who could tell me the reason that the SBT doesn't support the East Asian Scripts?
jialife wrote: For the past three years,there is no versions of the SBT systems that could support the East Asian Scripts. I don't know the reasons. May I consider that the application developers have ignored the population of almost 2 billions? I'm pretty sure it's not the developers, it's Logitech marketing who is ignoring it, if any. But I assume you have seen the Font Replacer applet provided by a third party developer which can be installed from Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer menu ? It adds support for Chinese/Japanese/Korean as I've understood. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95811 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Trackstat Technical Questions, moving to a new Computer system
Cut-Throat wrote: I am helping someone setup a new computer and I need to make sure all of his Music Libraries and TrackStat statistics move to the new machine.m So I have a few questions. 1.) Where is the Actual statistics stored for TrackStat? IOW --- Are they imbedded in the actual songtracks? 2.) Do I have to use the trackstat Backup and Restore procedures to move the statistics? 3.) Where are the Tracstat backup files stored? Thanks in Advance! 1. It's stored in the SBS/LMS database, in track_statistics and track_history tables. 2. Using backup/restore is the recomendted way, but if music files are stored on EXACTLY the same place on the new machine (same drive, same folder) it should theoretically work to copy the complete Cache directory (where the database is stored). You can find the location of the cache folder in SBS/LMS Settings/Information. 3. Depends if the backup is done manually or if it's a scheduled backup: - Manual backups are stored in the file you have specified in Backup/Restore/Clear section of TrackStat settings page in the Backup file parameter - Scheduled backups (if enabled) are stored in the directory you have specified in the Backup/Restore/Clear section of TrackStat settings page in the Backup dir parameter Also, please note that if you move the music files to another location on the new machine, it's very important that the Find alternative files option is enabled in the Backup/Restore/Clear section of TrackStat. This option can make the restore process very slow, but it will be able to recover statistics even if the library has moved to a new drive or a new main directory. If the option is not enabled, the restore process will go a lot faster but it will not recover statistics for files which have been moved to another drive or another main directory. Of course, if you have musicbrainz tags in all your music files, TrackStat will recover the statistics independent of the above option. Two things to remember: 1. When doing the restore, make sure you have done a rescan in SBS/LMS first and waited for it to finish. 2. The restore operation is executed in the background, you will only see in the server.log when it's finished. If the Find alternative files option has been enabled and you have a really large library, the restore operation can take several days on some setups. In a smaller library, like my 4000 track library, it takes a few minutes maximum. The process of doing backup/restored is described on the following wiki page in the Upgrade/Reinstall section: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/TrackStat_plugin erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95735 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Trackstat Technical Questions, moving to a new Computer system
Cut-Throat wrote: Thanks for the reply!...I have read about the backup and restore procedure. I have to make sure that those backup files get to the new computer, so that I can run the restore procedure. He has about 50K song tracksI wonder how long this will take to restore? Hard to say, but if you like to save time I would strongly recommend to try to keep the files on the same drive letter and main folder so you can run the restore with Find alternative files disabled. With Find alternative files disabled it should be fairly fast, can't say an exact time but I would be surprised if it took more than an hour, likely it will go a lot faster. If you need to run it with Find alternative files enabled it can probably take more than a day to do the restore, maybe even longer Cut-Throat wrote: Does this default to a location such as where your Music Library is stored or Playlist?..I don't think he set this up. It's disabled by default, so in that case just do a manual backup as described on the wiki on the old computer. When doing the manual backup, remember that you need to specify the full path (not just the filename) in the Backup file parameter. The backup is usually pretty fast, it's the restore that can take a lot of time if Find alternative files are enabled. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95735 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Trackstat Technical Questions, moving to a new Computer system
Date is part of the file names in the scheduled backups. For TrackStat data to be able to survive a restore, even with Find alternative files enabled, it's important that the last part of the file path is the same. For example, if Find alternative files are enabled it will handle: Old file: C:\Music\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac New file: E:\Music\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac And also: Old file: C:\OldMusic\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac New file: C:\Music\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac But it will not handle: Old file: C:\Music\SomeOldAlbum\SomeTrack.flac New file: C:\Music\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac To handle the last case, the files must be tagged with musicbrainz tags. If there are a lot of cases like the last one, the best solution is probably to do a backup, manually adjust the data in the backup file in a text editor, restore the modified backup file. However, this can be a lot of work if there are a lot of places that's changed, especially since the data in the backup file is url encoded, so it's not that easy to modify it manually unless you know what you are doing. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95735 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Trackstat Technical Questions, moving to a new Computer system
Cut-Throat wrote: Our system is similar to this except that we have changed Drive Letter too. Like And also: Old file: C:\OldMusic\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac New file: E:\Music\SomeAlbum\SomeTrack.flac Ok, then the Find alternative files function should do the right thing. Cut-Throat wrote: What is confusing me, is that this guy has run a complete re-scan numerous times and seemed to not lose track-stat data, he has never done a restore. Is this possible? He has been using your plugin for about 5 months now. As long as you haven't moved or renamed any files, TrackStat data will always survive a full rescan, actually these days even standard SBS/LMS ratings, playcounts and last played times will survive a full rescan. If you have moved or renamed files, TrackStat data will only survive a rescan if you have musicbrainz tags in the music files, else you have to do a backup/restore. So maybe he just hasn't moved or renamed any files, just added new ones ? In that case TrackStat data will always survive a full rescan. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95735 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Oldtimer looking to upgrade to Touch withoutdowngrading to mysb.com
fallenguru wrote: whereas many other bugs have not been addressed. See, and that's not so great, at least not for people like me who don't use their SBs stand-alone at all. It'd be nice if they threw the core audience / loyal fan base a bone once in a while. (Triode doesn't count ^^) I'm fairly sure the users posting on this forum is a minority of all Squeezebox customers. It's easy to think that Logitech are directly earning a lot of money through the forum members on this forum, but in practice I think it's time we realize that most of their Squeezebox revenues comes from the mass market. Of course, some of those mass market users have got the idea to buy a Squeezebox from one of the members of this forum. I think we all agree with you regarding the above statement, it's just that we can't do anything about it, except for providing the juicy bones as third party developers :-) Generally the issue with geek products is that a company can survive on them for a certain time but after that they run out of geeks to sell them to and have to either: - Reach other kinds of customers - mass market - bigger volumes - Reach other places in the world - global distribution - bigger volumes These are things that Logitech should be good at, unfortunately they aren't good at software based product development and they managed to get rid of more or less everyone from Slim Devices that had experience with that, so that's the main reason why we are were where are today. Fortunately there are still a few people remaining from Slim Devices that really knows the products, so hopefully they still have the strength to try to learn everybody else within Logitech. Still, if someone from Logitech marketing would just try to understand the products and do some advertisement and place them on the warehouse shelves, I bet they could sell a lot more to mass market users than they do today. As a side note, the Logitech management/marketing people doesn't read this forum, so there is no reason to try to reach them here. There is a small chance they will read posts on the official forum at http://forums.logitech.com but then they will read it because someone from their support organization tells them to read it. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95617 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Controlling TinySC from ubuntu?
asplundj wrote: Is there an easy way to install Squeezeplay on ubuntu? In theory you should be able to download the SqueezePlay debian installation package from: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.7 And then from a command line run: Code: sudo dpkg -i squeezeplay_*_all.deb As long as you only want to control the Touch I think this should work, if you want to play music on the Ubuntu machine it can be more tricky as I know some people (including me) have had trouble getting that to work properly. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95612 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to backup everything on SBT?
diego wrote: However, will this enable you to restore everything, if for some reason, the update servers or whatever is on the internet are not accessible through the touch? In particular, Firmware / Kernel, Installed Apps...? Custom firmware can be installed by connecting the Touch a LMS on a computer where you have manually put the correct firmware files in the Cache/updates directory. Unless I've missed something the kernel is part of the firmware. It's also possible to put firmware on a USB stick and insert in into the Touch, it will then upgrade/downgrade to the firmware on the USB stick when it boots. On the Touch itself, it might be a good idea to backup the contents of the /etc/squeezeplay and /etc/squeezecenter directores as they contain all settings which you might want to restore. I think the list of installed Apps might only be stored on mysqueezebox.com, but I'm not completely sure. However, most/all? of the apps are provided through mysqueezebox.com so if Logitech's servers aren't available they aren't going to work anyway. diego wrote: What bothers me a bit is, that a factory reset does obviously only revert settings and apps back to default, but not the firmware. So what if a nightly firmware or an experimental Kernel messes up the touch, so that the internal restore tool does not work anymore? How can the thing be reinstalled from scratch? If I remember correctly there are some way which you can force different kind of resets depending on how long you hold the reset button on the back of the Touch, but I can't find the information at the moment, thought it was somewhere on the wiki but I can't find it so if anybody else knows where it is please let us know. Of course, if the firmware mess it up really bad so the boot code executed in the beginning of the startup doesn't work, then it's going to be hard for you to correct it yourself. But as long as you only load it with firmware provided by Logitech or Triode I wouldn't worry too much about this as I know they tests these parts a lot to ensure it doesn't cause these kind of issues. I'm not saying the firmware is bug free, I'm just saying that the risk of it containing bugs that makes it impossible to downgrade/upgrade to another firmware version is really low. diego wrote: As far as I understand, this is simply a piece of gear made to live as long as Logitech supports it, and one has to live with that. Which is basically the same as any other hardware from any other manufacturer. BIOS upgrades for your computer, operating system upgrades for your computer, firmware for your router is only updated as long as the manufacturer supports it. My TV and Receiver comes with the firmware they have from the factory and there is no easy way to upgrade it at all. So the Squeezebox isn't much different than any other hardware in this regard. The only difference is that the Touch uses the mysqueezebox.com service for a lot of its Apps functionality, and this would be lost if mysqueezebox.com is shutdown. If Logitech would shutdown mysqueezebox.com (which I'm sure they will not do anytime soon), I trust they would still keep the firmware available, at least for manual download and installation. All this worries in the forum about Logitech completely shutting down mysqueezebox.com is very premature, they simply can't do it as long as they have devices which are within their warranty period, at least not unless they can offer the customers an alternative solution. The Touch with it's built-in server or with a LMS running on a computer will continue to work for locally stored music without mysqueezebox.com, the only issue is that the stuff in the My Apps menu is going to stop working unless there is a third party plugin available that provides the same functionality. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95594 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Oldtimer looking to upgrade to Touch withoutdowngrading to mysb.com
fallenguru wrote: Just register and save some time and struggling, you have obviously already registered on this forum so Logitech already have your e-mail so I don't understand the issue with giving them it once more. Mailing list, but yes. It isn't about the e-mail, though, not at all. It's about being able to match a physical device (and its location) to a person. They can track each (registered) Squeezebox sold, including re-sales. They can black-list Squeezeboxes for whatever reason. They can track what music you listen to, when and for how long. They know what services you subscribe to. They can track what CDs you buy and rip ... and sell all that data to ad companies. Sorry, but I do not want that. Of course the local server could log all this data and phone home, too. It doesn't, though, and even if it did, without the registration the data remains anonymous. Mysb.com on the other hand collects all that and more during normal operation, as a matter of course. Do they sell any data? Probably not. Won't they ever? Noone can say. All that, and I just don't like to be strong-armed into things. I do understand your concerns, I'm just saying that you are tracked anyway, so a mysqueezebox.com registration won't make it much worse than it already is. I would be much more concerned about what kind of information Google, Microsoft, Apple and similar companies can store about your habits when accessing Internet with your computer, tablet or phone. Without knowing your habits, I'm pretty sure Logitech isn't your main problem regarding privacy, I'm also pretty sure their privacy policy is pretty clear about that they don't do most of the things you fear they do, especially not without explicitly asking you for permission first. If you only use mysqueezebox.com during initial setup, all they will be able to collect are which device you own, where you are located and connect that to your e-mail address. If you use a hotmail e-mail address it doesn't really say them much. You can even register separate mysqueezebox.com accounts with separate e-mails for each Squeezebox you own if you prefer to get really anonymous. However, it's your choice, as described previously in the thread it's possible to get around it if you prefer that, it's just requires some extra time and struggling so I would personally recommend you to accept the mysqueezebox.com registration and after the initial setup connect the Squeezebox to your local server and forget that mysqueezebox.com exist. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95617 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Oldtimer looking to upgrade to Touch withoutdowngrading to mysb.com
Just register and save some time and struggling, you have obviously already registered on this forum so Logitech already have your e-mail so I don't understand the issue with giving them it once more. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95617 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How customizeable is the Touch?
Bixby wrote: I'd just like to see further hardware options. At least a Boom v2. I'm not saying the Touch is not a compelling piece of hardware even when it's two years old and compared to current offerings. But in this day and age of constant upgrades, it is hard for me to see a product go two years without updates to the line and not wonder if the maker is really investing in the product. I definitely agree, but I also don't want to end up in the smartphone segment where there some manufacturers produce multiple hardware releases every 6'th month making the hardware your purchased 6 months ago obsolete. I have to say that I kind of like the fact that my Squeezebox Classic from 2006 still is one of the best streaming music players on the market and still supported by latest LMS release and most mysqueezebox.com services. It's hard to know what Logitech is up to but they are hiring people at the moment, so I guess that can be some kind of indication: http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qgX9Vfw1v=1page=Job%20Descriptionj=oVydWfwm http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qgX9Vfw1v=1page=Job%20Descriptionj=oiucWfwE http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qgX9Vfw1v=1page=Job%20Descriptionj=oRydWfwi http://hire.jobvite.com/CompanyJobs/Careers.aspx?c=qgX9Vfw1v=1page=Job%20Descriptionj=oFPtWfwD erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95504 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How customizeable is the Touch?
autopilot wrote: What I always wanted was a decent now playing screen saver with a retro 80's cassette tape, complete with spinning reels and track information on the label in hand written biro effect. I would actually pay for that. It's somewhat possible to do with Custom Clock. There is one available for Touch: - The Cassetta Touch style: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/File:CustomClock_Cassetta.png And there is one available for Radio: - The Cassette style you can find on this wiki page: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Custom_Clock_styles The Radio one can probably be customized to work with the Touch also if needed. The issue with retro 80's cassette table style is to find good graphics which I'm allowed to redistribute, if you customize your own style using Custom Clock Helper you can probably find some good graphics which you are allowed to use for personal usage. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95504 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How customizeable is the Touch?
Bixby wrote: I just wish Logitech would show that it is keen to keep the line around. No new hardware in how long? I believe the last hardware is the Touch which was released in April 2010. Have you seen any competitor that provides anything better than the Touch ? erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95504 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB HDD implementation flaky. Why?
badhack wrote: I read somewhere here the code is all written in Perl. If that's true they ought to dump it or write some modules with C code to take advantage of the performance. Most of the scanner is written in C already, most other parts are in perl. The main issue isn't the software, it's the fact that the hardware hasn't been designed to run a big music server like SBS/LMS, and the hardware is hard to change after the release. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch screen - text colours
castalla;694760 Wrote:
Is there any way to change the default White text, say to yellow or
another colour?
Not unless you are willing to patch the lua firmware code. Would
probably be possible through patching, the skins are found in:
/usr/share/jive/applets/WQVGAlargeSkin/WQVGAlargeSkinApplet.lua
/usr/share/jive/applets/WQVGAsmallSkin/WQVGAsmallSkinApplet.lua
There are a number of lines starting with:
local TEXT_COLOR =
I'm guessing those are a good place to start.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What the hell is wrong with Spotify on the SB Touch!
Jokke;693251 Wrote:
Is it possible to stream spotify through a PC server, instead of through
MySqueezebox.com?
Yes, if you install the third party Spotify plugin made by Triode on
these forums, see 3rd party plugins section for more information.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
TheOctavist;692173 Wrote:
one more thing, is there an option for an FFT/Spectrogram/graph?
i know one is on there already, but id like to know if there are other
options.
The only other one I'm aware of is the one included in Custom Clock
applet. The difference compared to the standard one is that you can
configure it through Custom Clock Helper plugin, for example specify
size, colors, widths of bars and things like that. I'm personally using
a Custom Clock style which combines a spectrometer with artist images
from LastFM of the currently playing artist. The LastFM artist images
is provided through the Song Info plugin in my SBS/LMS.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
TheOctavist;691720 Wrote:
where do I get this custom clock/VU meter??
There are two ways:
ALTERNATIVE 1: IF YOU WANT A REPLACEMENT FOR THE LOGITECH VU METER
- Install Patch Installer applet on your Touch by going to
Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer and select to install it
- After installation, goto Settings/Advanced/PatchInstaller and select
to install the VU meter you like.
- Some additional VU meters can also be found if you setup jstraw's
repository in SBS/LMS Settings/Plugins:
Code:
http://smallproblem.com/touchmeter/jstraws_squeezebox_touch_enhancements.xml
ALTERNATIVE 2: CONFIGURABLE VU METER USING CUSTOM CLOCK
- Install Custom Clock applet through Settings/Advanced/Applet
Installer
- Goto Settings/Screen/screensavers/Custom Clock Settings and configure
one of the slots to use one of the VU meter styles
- Goto Settings/Screen/Screensavers/When Playing and select Custom
Clock as screen saver when something is playing
- Install Custom Clock Helper plugin in SBS and re-configure the VU
meter style as you like so it suit your needs.
In alternative 2 you will also need License Manager applet through
Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer and purchase a valid license if you
want to use it on long term basis, you can get a free 30 day evaluation
license while you try it out. Install License Manager plugin in SBS
Settings/Plugin do do the actual purchase or apply for an evaluation
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] NAS for SBT?
If only Dynamic Playlist is installed, you will get access to the static
playlists you have and you can:
- Play them in the proper order
- Play them in random order by changing the setting Play songs in
saved playlists in random order in Dynamic Playlist settings page.
If you also install SQL Playlist plugin you will get the Random/For
selected option which allows to play different things in random order
without changing any settings, this can be playlists, genres, artists,
decades and similar things. Everything except for playlists requires
you to have the proper tags in your music files, this this is probably
the case already if you have ripped the music with a standard ripping
software.
Purchasing a license to SQL Playlist plugin will currently give you a
Dynamic Playlist plugin license for free in the package.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] VU meter related problem?
craig strong;684092 Wrote:
Erland, I do use an HDD attached via USB, and the built in server.
Let me ask this too, are you thinking that this problem could still
happen, even though your meters were not in use, but still installed
the Touch?
I don't have much personal experience of the built-in server in the
Touch but I know the memory available is very restricted and the
built-in server uses a significant amount if it's running.
I think Custom Clock might use some resources even if it's not active
if you have selected to replace the Now Playing menu with Custom Clock,
there is a setting for this in the Custom Clock settings menu.
If Custom Clock have been active since the last time you rebooted the
Touch there might also be some risk that it uses some resources even
though it's currently not visible on the screen. As long as the
built-in server in the Touch isn't used this shouldn't be an issue, but
with the built-in server active I wouldn't be surprised if it could push
it over the limit and cause crashes. But then again, I don't know this
for sure, I just know that another user had these kind of issues with
Custom Clock and built-in server combined. The issue is probably not in
Custom Clock, the issue is that the Touch memory is very limited so it
can't reliably run much else when the built-in server is used.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] VU meter related problem?
craig strong;683674 Wrote:
Just now confirmed that it isn't the nice VU's causing the problem, it
just did it again, with the standard VU's loaded, and not even being
used.
Any thoughts anyone?
The Touch freezes, one of the two lights on the dac goes off, to
indicate no signal going in, it powers down, and then a minute or so
later, it all powers up again until the next damn time!
Are you using the built-in server in the Touch ? Do you have a USB
drive attached ?
I'm asking because another user had problem to use the Custom Clock VU
meters together with the built-in server in the Touch.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
AAAlllrightyThen;682321 Wrote:
I've realized the error comes randomly. Now I've tested a usb stick
with 3 mp3s and there the error happened not that fast, but it happened
later. So I think with big wav files the error could happen more often.
I'll try to find a procedure to reproduce the error every time the same
way.
My Squeezebox Touch has the version 7.7.1r9558.
If it's related to number of tracks in the library or file sizes it
might be a case of the Touch running out of resources, the Custom Clock
version of the VU meters might use a bit more resources than the
standard VU meters (since they offer more flexibility) and maybe this
makes the built-in server crash because it runs out of memory or
something similar.
It could be that using the built-in server and Custom Clock pushes the
memory usage to the limit, the available memory on the Touch is pretty
restricted, so anything that uses a bit more memory will cause crashes
of the built-in server or even reboot the Touch. It's a lot more stable
using an external SBS/LMS on a computer, but I can understand why people
want to attach a USB drive directly to the Touch to avoid the need of
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
AAAlllrightyThen;682335 Wrote:
I'VE FOUND THE ERROR PROCEDURE!!!
These are the conditions for the error to occur:
-Screensaver must be turned on
-Screensaver must be a CustomClock style, which has to show a VU meter,
for example the first one called Analog VU Meter
-Screensaver delay does not matter, but 30 seconds is good for
testing.
-USB device like a hard drive or usb stick with at least 1 song (mp3 or
wav) connected.
-The internal Logitech Media Server must have been finished analyzing
the usb content.
Procedure goes like this:
You select a song from the usb device to play, and press the Now
Playing button (remote) until you see the original VU meter (The other
display options spectrum analyzer, art, art+text, onlytext won't cause
an error!). Now you have to wait until the screensaver starts and shows
you the CustomClock-VU Meter. Then press any button to make the
screensaver stop, for example the left arrow button (remote). And you
are looking again at the original VU meter. And now wait a second time
for the screensaver to start. And then when the screensaver starts
again, the USB connection will be lost.
If it didn't worked at the second time, let the screensaver stop and
start again a few times more. I think the connection will be lost by no
later than 5 times. With big wav files it can happen with 2 times, with
a little mp3 file it can happen after a few times more.
Ok, that confirms my suspicions from my previous post a few minutes
back, definitely sounds like a resource related issue.
My guess would be that the Custom Clock VU meters uses too much memory
to be usable together with the built-in server.
I'll try if I can reproduce it my own setup but I'm fairly sure it's
resource related based on what you describe and then I don't think
there is any easy way to solve it, at least not unless we have a memory
leak somewhere in the system.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
AAAlllrightyThen;682314 Wrote:
Can you help me? I could do a video, where you can see whenhow the
error occures.
I'll try to reproduce it in my own setup, will get back to you.
Just to be sure, do you have a SBS/LMS installed on a computer or do
you only use the built-in server in the Squeezebox Touch ?
To be able to use Custom Clock while editing VU meter styles, you would
have to install SBS/LMS on a computer and connect the Touch to the
SBS/LMS in the computer while doing the VU meter editing. The reason
for this is that the editing requires a third party plugin Custom
Clock Helper to be installed in SBS/LMS and this is only possible if
it's running on a computer as the built-in server in the Touch doesn't
support third party plugins.
It will work to use the style without SBS/LMS on a computer, the
SBS/LMS on the computer is only needed during editing of the style.
I suspect your issue is related to the built-in server in the Touch
(assuming that's what you use), it's probably some bug in Custom Clock
since I haven't tested it a lot in this configuration (I have a LMS on
a computer in my own setup).
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
AAAlllrightyThen;681376 Wrote:
I've collected the vu meters, you can download the RainbowMeter from my
collection list: http://unites.un.funpic.de/VU/meters.xml and here is an
overview of the collection: http://unites.un.funpic.de/VU
Is it ok if I add these as Custom Clock styles so those that like to
customize which textual information that should be displayed can do so
?
AAAlllrightyThen;681376 Wrote:
And I would like to know if someone has figured out how to customize
the (fake) equalizer of the Squeezebox Touch...
I've not tried to patch the standard code, but there is some support
for customizing them as screen savers in the Custom Clock applet
through the Custom Clock Helper plugin on SBS/LMS.
For example, I'm using a combined style which shows an artist image
from LastFM on the left side and equalizer on the right side on my
Touch as Now Playing screen saver, it's the middle image in this post:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=542325#post542325
The style is called LastFM Artist Image with visualizer in the Custom
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
AAAlllrightyThen;681949 Wrote:
Man but I would like to have an option for switching between VU-Meters
faster. That download restart procedure is so annoying.
If you do a Custom Clock style for it, I think changes will take effect
immediately when you do them in Custom Clock Helper plugin as long as
the Custom Clock screen saver is active while you are doing the
changes. There are Custom Clock styles for some of the other VU meters
available already, so you should be able to just edit one of those
through Custom Clock Helper settings page.
So you would possibly use this as a development toolbox and then
provide the patch entry for it in your XML file when you are satisfied
with the result.
It might also work to just copy the file manually using scp instead of
installing it through Patch Installer. I think you might just have to
exit and re-enter the Now Playing screen for the changes to take effect
after you have manually copied the file.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
AAAlllrightyThen;682023 Wrote:
I've tried it, but I guess I need at least one license to create a
style.
Yes you need a license, you can apply for a free 30 day evaluation
license to begin with. If this is something you are interested in and
you keep producing more excellent VU meter styles or even similar cool
Custom Clock styles I'm happy to give you personally a license to
Custom Clock for free after the 30 day evaluation license has expired.
AAAlllrightyThen;682023 Wrote:
I was thinking more about a direct switch option of the vu meters, while
a song is played. The best thing would be to change it with the Now
Playing button. Maybe it is possible somehow just to replace one of the
other things like equalizer or the album cover with another vu meter
skin?
Unfortunately Logitech never implemented the enhancement request
regarding configurable/customizable Now Playing styles, so I don't
think there is an easy way to do this. The following enhancement
request would be the one to vote on if this is something you think
should be implemented:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15067
It could possibly be possible to implement as a third party applet that
copies the file and somehow trigger the Now Playing screen to reload the
VU meter image but I haven't investigated it further.
With a Custom Clock skin it would be possible to let it continuously
cycle between different VU meter styles every x seconds, but there is
no easy way to trigger the change with a button click. You can switch
style by navigating to the Extras or Settings menu with Custom Clock
but not with a single click while standing on the Now Playing screen.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Wallpapers?
rayman1701;679952 Wrote:
Yeah, I was meaning the Now Playing screen. I'm sure there may be a
way, but it always seemed just above my skill set.
Do you have any idea what color you would like it to be ?
http://www.colorpicker.com/
I think it should be fairly easy to provide a patch for it which can be
installed through Patch Installer applet but I need to know which
color that's suitable for your needs.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Wallpapers?
rayman1701;679731 Wrote:
The white can be a bit hard to read on some, but I just didn't quite
get how to configure Erland's plugins to know if I could use one to
do that.
Are you talking about the menu text or are you talking about the text
in some screen saver ?
I'm guessing you are talking about the menu text and in that case I
think the firmware needs to be patched, it can be done with a patch
through the Patch Installer plugin but it requires you to know which
firmware lua files to adjust to change the color to your liking.
Custom Clock can do it for its screen saver styles, but I suspect this
isn't what you are talking about ?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] VU meter related problem?
Which VU meters are you using, is it those in Custom Clock or those
installed with Patch Installer ?
Does it work reliable with the standard VU meters from Logitech ?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Software updates
Is there some useful information in the server.log file when you try to
access the internet radio stream ?
You will find the server.log file through Squeezebox Server
Settings/Advanced/Logging page.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Software updates
If your Touch is connected to a local Squeezebox Server running an
official release I don't think it should try to upgrade the firmware,
at least not as long as you have disabled automatic upgrades in
Squeezebox Server Settings.
In other scenarios it is possible to patch the firmware when logging in
via ssh if someone knows lua or is willing to learn.
The relevant code is in _upgradeSink method in:
/usr/share/jive/jive/slim/SlimServer.lua
I once did a patch that disabled minor upgrades, so this might be
something to be inspired by:
http://erlandapplets.googlecode.com/svn/PatchInstaller/trunk/patches/DisableNightlyFirmwares/DisableNightlyFirmwares-1.0.patch
(I later realized I could accomplish the same by disabling upgrades in
Squeezebox Server)
However, I never released this officially because it can cause major
issue for Logitech when people call Logitech support with issues that
are caused because of their Touch firmware not being compatible with
mysqueezebox.com.
Finally, don't try to do anything with the above information unless you
are somewhat familiar with lua, ssh and vi, it can potentially make the
device to not startup if you do something wrong when editing the files.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Blanking display.
Pascal Hibon;676568 Wrote:
I'm just in a couple of days use of my new Touch and I'm kinda missing a
great feature the SB3 had. Actually this great feature was provided by a
plugin called Auto Dim Display. This plugin obviously doesn't work for
the Touch and Radio due to their different OS.
I like to darken the display completely between a certain time period
(night time). In the morning the display comes to live again. Is there
any similar applet or patch for the Touch?
Do you just want it to be black or do you want it to be darker ?
There is at least:
- Screen Switcher applet which allows to you configure different screen
savers for different time of the day
- Custom Clock which allows you to design your own clock screen saver,
for example one with a darker color of the text.
Both are commercial, so you will also need License Manager applet and a
license for them, but you can apply for a free 30 day license through
License Manager plugin in SBS to evaluate if it works as you like.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch - clock issue
Pungi;676563 Wrote:
Hello,
on my SB Touch a clock is loosing correct time, about a minute per day!
Is saw, there is quite a lot of posts open for this issue and also a
reguest for bug fix (Bug
17164)http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17164. Is there any
possibillity, that the bug will be fixed in a near future?
Regards.
Pungi
You can vote on it by clicking the vote link in the bug report, that
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
aubuti;676726 Wrote:
But less than it may seem. Units were already in distributors'
warehouses by mid-2009.
And the final hardware beta testing was finished a bit before that
since the mass production had to start so the units were ready to be
shipped mid-2009.
And on top of this, the work to make the built-in server run on the
Touch had barely been started at that time, so I'm not sure Logitech
really knew how much memory it would require after the optimization.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
jean2;676733 Wrote:
That's what I said, plenty of time. Those chips are pin compatible.
Are you suggesting that they should have let the warehouse employees
start to unpack the boxes and soldering new chips on them ?
If not, you must have some extra months in your calender that's not
available in mine...
I do agree that it should have had more memory but I don't think there
was plenty of time to start changing chips, if it would have been as
easy as you suggest and plenty of time to do it I'm pretty sure it
would have been done.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
jean2;676527 Wrote:
Lastly, from what I remember, they also delayed the initial release of
the Touch for many month, and during those months the beta tester were
saying that the player functionality was pretty much done and the bulk
of the work was on the internal server. If they did not intend to do
the internal server, why delay the release just for it instead of just
disabling the feature and shipping ? The player functionality of the
controller did not got such attention...
I believe they had printed built-in server on the boxes before the
initially planned release date. At that time I believe the hardware was
already shipped to the various Logitech warehouses and had to sit there
for many months until the stores were allowed to put it up on the
shelves when the software/firmware was finished. Due to this it wasn't
possible to do a release without a somewhat working built-in server
included.
Built-in server was planned when hardware beta testers was introduced
(December 2008), so it was planned a long time before any official
announcements (September 2009) were made and definitely a long time
before the official product release (April 2010).
However, I still agree with John, the hardware designers probably
didn't plan to run a memory and CPU consuming perl server on the
hardware when it was designed.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with USB drive : mastering TinySB
Mnyb;676538 Wrote:
i wonder even if you can turn off a lot of stuff in the server to make
it fit the tiny hardware.
Can it be that the requirement that it should run on the Touch is a
limiting factor for the server .
A lot of stuff can be tacked on as plugin much oficial stuff is plugins
too, but anyway.
i use to think that the lack of development of core functionality is
mainly lack of dev resources ?
Any one with perl knowledge ? Are they boxed in by the Touch hardware.
They don't limit the core functionality based on the Touch. When they
did LMS they didn't even think of the Touch until the end when they
added an option to disable the photo/video functionality when executed
on the Touch.
So the lack of new core features is because of lack of developers and
priorities. The only scenario I can think of that might have affected
the computer based server is the switch from MySQL to SQLite, that
switch would probably not have happen if the Touch server wasn't
needed. Even though the developers sometimes defend it I think the main
reason for that switch was because they needed SQLite on the Touch and
it was too expensive to maintain and test two different database
backends.
Mnyb;676538 Wrote:
On the other hand is it only the chosen architechture as micro computer
running a real OS and a lot off stuff in script form lua or perl ?
for example TinySC on Touch has a playlist limit of 100 tracks an iPod
with ta fraction of the cpu a Touch has can handle playlist in 1
track sizes ?
also PLC system with a fraction of the Touch CPU power runs large
industrial machines in real time ?
Are they using the most effective programming methods to utilize this
hardware ?
This is the reason why the Touch server doesn't work, the architecture
and programming language is not optimized to run on slow hardware with
little memory. This is also the reason why the easiest/only realistic
way to fix the issue is to produce new hardware with faster CPU and
most importantly more memory. On slow hardware with little memory, you
need something that's fast and you need something that can dynamically
load/unload stuff depending on the current need, as I've understood
perl has issues in both these areas.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?
steveinaz;673252 Wrote:
Marantz, NAD, Cambridge Audio, and Bryston all offer network players
now--so let the chips fall where they may. I almost bought the
Cambridge, but decided to test the waters at a lower cost, via
Touch.
I'm running thru a Benchmark DAC/PRE and very satisified with the
results so far. Santa is bringing a CI Audio power supply as well.
Does any of them:
1. Also offer a player which is cheap and small with built-in speaker
which is suitable for placement in kitchen/bedroom ?
2. Is it realistic to believe that any new player they produce two
years in the future will be compatible and usable in the same system as
the one they produce today ?
Since I want a solution that works in the whole house, it's always
questions like these which makes me believe the current competitors
applicable for my setup are Logitech, Sonos and possibly Apple.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?
castalla;672926 Wrote:
Not listed - USA
As far as I can see the Touch is both listed and in stock on the US
Logitech store, are you looking at somewhere else than on logitech.com
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Play Music By Cover
aubuti;672995 Wrote:
Erland's CoverFlow applet will act as a screensaver, but not as a UI on
the Touch for browsing albums. If I remember correctly, he looked into
incorporating album browsing, but found he couldn't get it to work
smoothly enough on the Touch to be worthwhile.
The issue is just that I never got the time to figure out how the API
to catch slide movements on the touch screen works.
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amcluesent;672999 Wrote:
what are the chances apple have patented 'coverflow'?
100%
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?
STEVESPUR;672906 Wrote:
Very interestingly since I started off this discussion 6 days ago, the
Dixons Group stores have cleared out all their stock and Logitech (in
the UK at least) have also run out of stock, whilst on-line stores
(inc. Amazon) seem to have stock supply situations that come and go on
a daily basis.
Does this suggest that the Touch manufacturing has ceased? - all the
above stock scenarios are just the same as when the Duet + Boom were
about to be discontinued.
Looks a bit suspicions, there have been similar things happening
previously but then it has often only happened in one or two countries
but now it seems to be more wide spread. This all makes me think that I
really made the right decision when I purchased an extra Touch earlier
this week from my local store.
I guess there is a chance Logitech is about to release something new
that replaces it but there is also a chance they have decided to focus
on the cheaper Radio since that's likely a lot easier to sell to the
mass market compared to the Touch.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?
Squeezemenicely;672028 Wrote:
Why all this doom and gloom?
Some people have pretty much said Squeezebox is doomed since Logitech
took over back in 2006, but they are still sold and I can even purchase
them in all my local home electronics stores in north Sweden, something
that definitely wasn't possible at all back in 2006.
Both Touch and Radio are both the best Squeezeboxes I've ever owned, so
even though I sometimes also worry myself, it's still a bit strange to
worry about the best streaming device available on the market...
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
mn283;667092 Wrote:
oh no!, upgraded to LMS 7.7 and VU's gone ? Re-installed Patch installer
etc still no joy. Patch installer simply shows no VU packages to
install, even if I re-add the repositories. Any ideas anyone ?
I might have to update some repository files, will take a look at it
tonight when I get home from work.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
mn283;667161 Wrote:
Erland, I believe so. Looking at the repositry for Jstraw's it contains
; -
patch name=VintageVUMeter target=fab4 version=1.0
minTarget=7.5 maxTarget=7.6
Guess the maxtarget needs amending.
VU meter patches should now be available, I need to test the other
patches before I dare to make them available in 7.7.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
Hem;667274 Wrote:
Hi erland, can you advise on the licence manager now being requested for
use with your apps. I've installed on server and on the touch but I'm
still getting the 'requires licence' message.
All this since foolishly updating to the latest firmware.
Thanks
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
Hem;666523 Wrote:
Erland, any chance of getting jstraw's original vintage teac vu meters
as an option on the custom clock?
Sure, jstraw please please object here or via PM if you don't want your
graphics to be included in a style in Custom Clock, it will of course be
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
jstraw;665851 Wrote:
I restored the files. Can someone let me now if they're working again,
then refresh my memory as to how to get them back on my own Touch?
Thanks!
I haven't tried if they work but the process to install them is:
1. Make sure you have the repository configured in SBS
Settings/Plugins:
Code:
http://www.smallproblem.com/touchmeter/jstraws_squeezebox_touch_enhancements.xml
2. On your Touch, make sure you have Patch Installer installed, if it
isn't installed goto Settings/Advanced/Applet Installer and install
it.
3. On your Touch, goto Settings/Advanced/Patch Installer and install
the VU meter you like.
However, if you are using 7.6, you need to update the repository file
so it says maxTarget=7.6, else it won't show up on a Touch with 7.6
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Two simple ideas to make Touch standalone with TinySBS (and why not SBS ?) acceptable
Mnyb;656910 Wrote:
Touch is underpowered for the task of running sbs, so it can be
overvelmed by scan task and run out of memory and crash (how the €#%^*
can anyone design such a device with only 128mB of ram ).
So feeding it files one album at the time can help this poor thing,
especially with a large library.
People with large libraries will be a lot better of using a separate
server, it's not worth struggling with the built-in server in the Touch
if you have a large library IMHO. The patch might help people which use
the USB port to connect USB sticks from friends since it makes them
accessible a bit faster than with the auto scanning enabled.
I'm guessing there is no search support unless you have done a complete
scan ? Would the system really be usable without search support in a
large library ?
IMHO, the built-in server on the Touch is a dead end, for it to work
reliably, we either need more powerful hardware or a completely
redesigned server software which uses a lot less resources. Among
these, my guess is that new powerful hardware is a more likely to
happen than a completely redesigned software.
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nicolas75;656813 Wrote:
I could install the patch installer
got version 1.1.55
I can get in Settings/Advanced/Patch Installer but always get no
patches found
I reboot several times, install and uninstall patch installer several
times.
same thing.
note that while you don't connect to the usb device, it is impossible
to enter Settings/Advanced/Patch Installer, and you don't get any
message telling why.
Touch firmware is 7.6.1 r9486
It relies on Squeezebox Server so you need to be connected to a
Squeezebox Server when using the Patch Installer, either the built-in
server in the Touch or a standalone server on a computer.
I've only tried it myself with a server on a computer, so there might
be some issues when used with the built-in server on the Touch.
However, I know it won't work with mysqueezebox.com, so that probably
explains why it doesn't work unless you have the USB device
connection.
But I've lately seen some mysqueezebox.com problem and the repository
files used by PatchInstaller is stored on mysqueezebox.com so if it
isn't available that might be the reason why you don't seen any
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nicolas75;656824 Wrote:
actually it seems slower to enter a folder where I have about 80 files.
There is a remaining problem, each time you unplug the usb device, and
plug it again (or plug another one), you have to restart TinySBS.
This is very long.
Would it be possible to start TinySBS once for all, even if there is no
usb device plugged ?
I believe it stores the database on the USB drive, so I don't think
this is possible. The reason is probably to save write cycles on the
built in persistent memory in the Touch but I'm not completely sure,
there might be some other reasons too.
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nicolas75;656822 Wrote:
I erased .Squeezebox directory on the USB stick and plugged it
I can browse by Artist, Album etc ... and files in .Squeezebox\cache
are created.
So I am not sure if scan is really disabled (scanning the usb stick is
quite fast, so I cannot tell)
Browsing is as fast as usual (about 330 files)
Scanning is enabled, SBS requires scanning, but with the patch enabled
it will only scan the directories you browse into and it will do the
scanning when browsing into the directory instead of when inserting the
USB drive. There is no way to avoid scanning in SBS, removing scanning
completely would be a major change, the intention with the patch was
just to disable to automatic scanning of the complete library.
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nicolas75;656373 Wrote:
Thanks a lot, I'll try as soon as I can.
Just one question, how do I revert to normal mode ?
uninstall the patch ?
Yes, if you want to restore the original behavior you uninstall the
patch through the Patch Installer menu. A factory reset will also
restore it.
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nicolas75;656221 Wrote:
Thanks for your help.
I must say I don't feel like tweaking TinySBS and would far prefer this
feature being part of standard TinySBS without installing a plugin.
With 22 votes, we can hope Logitech pay attention and fix TinySBS with
clear and user friendly messages, I doubt it is very complicated to
do.
Anyway if I find some time to try that, I'll let you know.
I've added it as a patch in my Patch Installer, so anyone that wants
to try it can now install it by:
1. Install Patch Installer applet through Settings/Advanced/Applet
Installer
2. Goto Settings/Advanced/Patch Installer and select to install
Disable auto rescan patch
The result of this is:
- There will be no automatic scanning what so ever, so the only way to
get things into the normal Artists, Albums menus is by browsing the
My Music/Music Folder menu or playing tracks.
- There is no way to perform a scanning of the complete library, you
can only scan by browsing into a folder and in that case it will only
scan the tracks inside that folder. I'm not sure a full rescan can be
easily added as using the standard scanner will probably use too much
resources, I'm guessing this is a reason why Logitech wanted auto
rescan enabled by default.
- It's really slow, browsing into my main music library which contains
about 280 album folders takes about 30 seconds. Also, starting
Squeezebox Server takes at least 30 seconds.
So based on this, I'd say that there is no simple solution to get a
system with decent performance. The above might work better than it
does for me if you have a hierarchical folder structure and not a flat
structure like me, but I suspect most people are going to find the
performance too bad to be usable. It's of course still better than the
current auto scan enabled version which makes it impossible to use at
all for some users.
I think the only solution that would actually work would be to
implement a lua applet that played music only locally on the Touch,
with no support to stream music to other players and only supported
folder based browsing with no reading of tags and similar stuff.
Unfortunately this is something we can forget that Logitech will do and
it's something I'm not interested in personally, so it has to be done by
someone else that actually wants it and knows lua or is willing to learn
lua.
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Is there anyone who is able to use ssh and vi ?
If so, could you try to login via ssh and open the
/etc/squeezecenter/prefs/server.prefs file and change the line:
autorescan: 1
to
autorescan: 0
Then restart the the Touch and see if this stops the automatic
scanning, if it does we can probably create an easily installed patch
or third party applet that does the same.
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erland;656109 Wrote:
Is there anyone who is able to use ssh and vi ?
If so, could you try to login via ssh and open the
/etc/squeezecenter/prefs/server.prefs file and change the line:
autorescan: 1
to
autorescan: 0
Then restart the the Touch and see if this stops the automatic
scanning, if it does we can probably create an easily installed patch
or third party applet that does the same.
If the above doesn't help, try to instead open up:
/usr/squeezecenter/Slim/Utils/OS/SqueezeOS.pm
And change the line:
$defaults-{autorescan} = 1;
To:
$defaults-{autorescan} = 0;
And then restart.
I think changing /etc might work as long as you don't change the USB
drive but I think changing the USB drive re-writes the
/etc/squeezecenter/prefs/server.prefs file and overwrite the changes,
but changing the above SqueezeOS.pm file should avoid this.
If anyone tries this, let me know how it works, if it solves the issues
I'll make a patch or applet for it unless someone else feels up to the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Controlling squeezebox touch from a different network?
simagu;651234 Wrote:
As my set up is all Ethernet based, I have no problem controlling the
Squeezebox from my computer, but I would find it a lot easier and
convenient to be able to control it from a decent remote when my
computer is closed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems no Logitech
remote (even the most advanced and expensive Harmony remotes) can
display artwork except the Duet, but it seems like a lot of money to
pay for a remote that can't do anything else. I wouldn't mind buying a
Harmony remote if it controlled all of my devices AND could display
artwork and control the Squeezebox, but that doesn't seem to be the
case (am I wrong?).
A Harmony remote will be able to control the Squeezebox and any other
IR remote based equipment but it won't be able to display the artwork.
simagu;651234 Wrote:
Currently, my Squeezebox is connected through a NAS with internet
access. Therefore, I am wondering if there is any possible way to
control the Squeezebox through an ipod with Internet access. I do have
Internet access, but it is not on the same network as my music. I have
PlugPlayer and the Squeezebox app installed, but have found no way do
this so far. The Squeezebox app merely says Choose Player without
providing any options. I know iPeng is very commonly used, but before I
purchase it I was wondering if it, or any other app, was capable of
being accessed from a different network.
So, if I understand you correctly, you have two networks:
- One with Touch and NAS
- Another one which offers WiFi access to the iPod
If this is the case, and you can't change them so they are on the same
network, I believe you need a solution that allows you to enter the IP
address of the local SBS. This is possible in iPeng but I don't think
it's possible in the Squeezebox app. It will probably also work with
PlugPlayer, as it allows you to manually add devices, but that will
require either SBS 7.7 (which contains the UPnP plugin) or the third
party Whitebear Media Server (which only works if you are running SBS
on a Windows computer).
Feels like the easiest solution is to just get iPeng, it's only $10,
I'm sure you spend similar amount of money on other things without
thinking much and you use these a lot less than you will be using
iPeng. To make iPeng work, you need to open the necessary ports in the
router, but I'm sure you are already aware of this.
Depending on your network layout and routers/WiFi access points, it
might also be possible to change the network so everything is on the
same network but that's hard to know without further details about your
networking equipment.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Not available in your region
Is it the same as this issue ?
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17002
So it's really unavailable also on the computer but it's cached locally
because you have played it before on the computer and thus can be played
on the computer ?
The Logitech Spotify Plugin has a known problem where unavailable
tracks are shown in search results, if you are running Squeezebox
Server on a computer you can install the third party Spotify plugin
which doesn't have this issue, it only returns tracks that can actually
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sports Scores
MrC;648206 Wrote:
I think folks like the SuperDateTime plugin. Go to your
Settings-Plugins in the web interface, and go to the third part
plugins. Select it to install, and restart SBS. Configure after it
restarts.
And combine it with Custom Clock applet if you like sport scores to be
shown in a screen saver on the Touch.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Multiple genres entries
Turnandcough;647916 Wrote:
All of a sudden I'm getting multiple entries for the same genre with
artists being divided amongst the multiple genre folders.
Example:
My genres folder looks something like this: Celtic, Classical,
Classical, Country...Folk-Rock, Folk-Rock...Indie, Indie, Jazz, Jazz,
Jazz, Jazz...
I tried re-tagging and clearing/rescanning library but the problem
persists. It seems to get worse each time I open SB Server.
Are you using the built-in server in the Touch or a standalone
Squeezebox Server on a computer ?
Which Touch firmware version are you using ?
It's shown in Settings/Advanced/About in the Touch menu.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Slideshow images on Touch from NAS/Minidlna?
Are you running a separate SBS or are you using the built-in server in
the Touch ?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue/digital VU
Hem;647435 Wrote:
Hi, first post on these forums. I've been using jstraw's excellent
vintage TEAC vu meters since purchasing my Touch over a year ago.
Unfortunately I can no longer see them hosted on his patch repository
and wondered if there was any way of getting hold of them again since
the latest firmware update??
There is a version on the custom clock options but unfortunately this
isn't the original one.
His patch repository seems to be down at the moment I've sent him a PM.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists 'Not portable' like Music Library ?
Does anyone know how playlist editors write relative paths in the
playlist files ?
Is it relative to main music folder ?
Is it relative to the playlist file ?
Is it relative to something else, in that case what ?
I'm just asking because if it's related it to something known by SBS it
feels like it should be fairly easy to add support playlists with
relative paths to SBS and we would get rid of all these questions.
Basically:
1. Check if the file exists at the full path
2. Check if the file exists at the relative path relative to where
playlist file is stored
3. Check if the file exists at the relative path relative to the main
music folder
Would something like that make it work for most playlists edited in
external software ?
I guess UNC paths vs local drive paths could also be an issue but
that's probably a bit more advanced to solve, I guess.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Configure IPV6 for Touch ?
nicolas75;645913 Wrote:
I don't see anything concerning IPV6 in Touch properties.
Can I configure and use IPV6 ?
See here:
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Not sure if it's possible to login via ssh and do something but there
is definitely no user interface too configure it. If you know Linux
networking login via ssh and start investigating could be worth a try.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Lyrics on the screen without computer or NAS
vma;644144 Wrote:
Can be flac files tagged with lyrics?
Yes FLAC files will work, I think the tag should be named LYRICS
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problems with 7.6 installation
castalla;644266 Wrote:
instead of Logitech sitting in their fancy offices giving the blandest
of replies to questions on their website, they should be here sorting
the mess out!
The developers are working a lot to solve the issues, it's a long time
since I saw as much bug fixing activities in the Squeezebox Server
source code as I've seen during the last 24 hours. I completely agree
that it's a bit ironic that they didn't do this before the release, but
I guess they had some good reason to release it before fixing all the
bugs.
The Logitech support staff, which is the people which should help users
with problem, are probably prioritizing all the people calling them and
helping these people with their issues.
The support staff neither read nor post in this community forum.
The support staff reads and sometimes posts in the official support
forum at: http://forums.logitech.com
But their top priority is probably to handle officially registered
support cases.
So if you want Logitech to see that you are having problems you need
to:
1. Post in their official support forum if you just want to inform them
but don't want their immediate assistance
OR
2. Register a real support case which will result in that you get help
from someone in their support staff to troubleshoot your specific
issue. You will find the Support link to register a support case at
the top of this page.
Due to this it's pointless to complain in this community forum because
the right people within Logitech won't get the message, you need to
make the support staff aware of the problem to improve the situation in
the future.
However, people who like help by people who really know the product and
are willing to do some troubleshooting themselves, are very welcome to
use the community forum and all community members will try to help as
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
castalla;644386 Wrote:
Yes but offering an update to a version to that below the server is not
normal, is it?
I have 7.6 and I get update available to 7.5.4
Are you using the official 7.6.0 release or a nightly 7.6.1 build ?
If you are using the nightly 7.6.1 build that could be the problem
because there doesn't seem to be any 7.6.1 firmware directory available
at mysqueezebox.com so it might use firmware it has downloaded in your
old installation.
Try to delete any files in the updates directory in the Cache
folder and restart SBS and see if that solves it. You will find the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problems with 7.6 installation
Jokke;643691 Wrote:
After resetting the PC, I had got some live into the system.
However, did a rescan wich got stuck, and the connection between touch
and server was lost again.
Did a second system reset without result.
The touch doesn't recognize the server anymore.
Very disappointed.
How do I go back to 7.5.5?
If you don't like to troubleshoot it together with community members
and want more direct support, I'd recommend contacting the official
Logitech support, you will find the Support link on the top of this
forum page.
If you want to revert to 7.5.5 it would be great if you before you do
that could post any server.log contents or contact support so Logitech
can fix any issue they might have missed in their own testing.
I'm not sure which way is safe path to go back to 7.5.5, but I suspect
it's a good idea to shutdown SBS and manually remove the contents of
the Cache directory and then install the 7.5.5 version again. You
will find the location of the cache directory in SBS
Settings/Information.
However, I'd strongly like to encourage you to try to provide some
information so Logitech can find the cause of the problem so it can be
fixed because eventually you are going to want to upgrade and your
specific issues might not be solved if Logitech isn't aware of the
cause.
If you are running SBS on a standard computer, the clean way to do an
initial rescan and try to get 7.6 work is the process described by
JJZolx here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=643324#post643324
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problems with 7.6 installation
Jokke;643723 Wrote:
How shall I post the log files?
They are too long to post here.
Is it to big to post as an attachment ?
If so, is it to big to post as an attachment if you zip it ?
If it is, maybe you can post the last 100 lines or something as an
attachment ?
Or even better extract the 50 lines before and after something that
looks like an error and post that as an attachement ?
There is a Manage Attachment button in when you post a new forum
entry which is used to post attachment to a forum post.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problems with 7.6 installation
Jokke;643800 Wrote:
I have had it with this 7.6 ...
I will revert to 7.5.5 until the sofware is stable.
It would be even better if you contact the Logitech support and ask
them to help you with your problems, that way we will have a quicker
solution, but if you don't want to spend time doing that please at
least let them know your aren't satisfied with the quality by posting
in the official support forum.
You will find the official support forum which Logitech employees
monitors here: http://forums.logitech.com
It's important that we let them know when something doesn't work,
otherwise they don't realize they have to improve it.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running touch with no internet
omainik;643849 Wrote:
I want to run my squeezebox touch without internet connection.
When the device is powered up, it starts a factory reset, searches for
LAN/WLAN and then tries to connect to mysqueezebox.com.
On this step there is no possibility to proceed without a internet
connection.
What could i do to use the squeezebox touch for instance in a weekend
house with no internet connection? The old duet did not have that
problem.
I think you should only need Internet during the initial setup, after
that I think it should work without internet connection if I've
understood it correctly.
It was discussed a bit during the hardware beta testing where beta
testers were worried, but Logitech explained that you can set it up
where you have internet connection and after the initial configuration
you should be able to use it without internet.
I'm not sure if anyone have tested if it actually works, but maybe
someone that has tried will see this thread and confirm or deny.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running touch with no internet
omainik;643859 Wrote:
I did try that.
Internet is needed on every power on.
Even if you are running it with a USB drive attached ?
Do you get some error message ?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problems with 7.6 installation
Jokke;643938 Wrote:
After 4 hours, still no reaction from Logitech.
Nice customer support!
(That's why we all come to this forum)
If you want direct contact with the Logitech support staff, you need to
use the Support link at the top of this forum. The support forum is
just a place where the support staff looks for common problems that
needs to be fixed but I'm not sure they respond to end users very often
in the forum, at least not as long as they have other users who has
called them directly and are waiting in queue to get help. However,
they still read the information in the official support forum, in this
community forum they don't even read the posted problems, so it's
pointless to post here if you want Logitech to notice that you aren't
satisfied. That's why I recommend anyone with problem to at least post
your issue at the official support forum even if you give up and revert
to a previous SBS version.
So they have probably noticed that there is an issue even though they
haven't answered your post in the forum.
If you want to help them track it down you really need to contact the
support staff directly, but the issue with that is that it typically
requires some waiting and trying out different things, so it might feel
like a bit wasted time unless you feel it's urgent to get the problem
solved.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Reinstalled 7.5.5 but now SBS insists on 7.6
Audiofile;644115 Wrote:
Intalled server 7.6, but then couldn't access music on server.
Uninstalled and reinstalled 7.5.5. Problem is now when in MSB mode,
MSB insists on upgrade to 7.6. MSB works once MSB is upgraded. But
then server cannot be accessed and insists on upgrade to 7.5.4 which
will work once done. To go back to internet radio, MSB again insists
on upgrade to 7.6. It is a viscious circle. Fix?
I suspected this would be the next issue people would start to report.
I'm not sure there is an easy fix, you can refuse the downgrade/upgrade
when prompted for it by holding left arrow of IR remote for a few
seconds. However, I'm not sure the 7.5 firmware will work good towards
7.6 MySB and I'm not sure the 7.6 firmware will work good towards a
7.5.5 SBS. It might work, but I think there are some protocol changes
between 7.5 and 7.6, so it might also not work at all.
If you have the time, it would be great if you could post about these
problems also in the official support forum, so the Logitech support
staff gets aware of it and doesn't recommend all users to downgrade to
7.5.5 so they will get these issues instead. The official support forum
can be found here:
http://forums.logitech.com
The Logitech support staff doesn't monitor this community forum, they
only read in the official support forum.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Lyrics on the screen without computer or NAS
vma;644130 Wrote:
I am running my SBT with external harddisk. I would like to see lyrics
on the its screen. Is it possible? Thank you.
Do you have LYRICS tags in your music files ?
If so, I think you should be able to hold your finger down on a track
for a while, so it opens the context menu, and then select to show the
lyrics. The context menu can also be accessed with a IR remote by
hitting +/More button. I haven't tried this myself, so this option
might be missing on the Squeezebox Touch, but if it exists you will
reach them through the context menu opened for a track.
There is currently no way to get the Touch to automatically display the
lyrics for the currently playing track without user interaction.
If you have a iPad you can install iPeng for iPad on it and that app
has an option to show the lyrics for the currently playing track on the
iPad screen.
All solutions when attaching a drive directly to the Touch require
LYRICS tags in the music files. If you would be running a Squeezebox
Server on a computer, you would be able to use the third party Song
Info + Song Lyrics plugin to get them to retrieve Lyrics from the
online 'musiXmatch' (http://musixmatch.com) service, but neither that
will currently allow to to get automatically updated lyrics on the
Squeezebox Touch screen without user interaction.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox doesn't work
Applegarth;642699 Wrote:
My nice new Squeezebox Touch downloaded and installed the latest
software update
Which version ?
I'm asking because 7.6 was recently released so it's important to know
if you are running 7.6 or the previous release. I believe you can see
which one you are running by looking in Settings/Advanced/About on your
Touch.
If you want someone to guide you through the setup, it might be worth
contacting Logitech support, you will find the Support link at the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB touch alternative projects
pok;642738 Wrote:
I mistakenly thought SB touch would do this but I've now found out it
requires a computer running the SB server to do this reliably (reading
the product description it should fulfill my feature list without the
external computer but in reality it's buggy at best).
So I was wondering if there's anyone who has a project for alternative
SB touch software aiming for the above? Or a suggestion of another
product which does the above?
How large is your music library, how many songs ?
I believe the Touch is only recommended by Logitech for usage up to 10
000 tracks, is your library larger than that ?
I'm just asking because if you have a large library or high performance
requirements I believe you will never be satisfied with the built-in
server inside the Touch. However, I've no experience from any competing
system that works better in a large library.
If you want something reliable that just works out of the box, and is
prepared to pay for it, I'd just get a VortexBox appliance as server
and use the Touch as a player.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Genre Search?
Can't you just use the Genres browse menu (My Music/Genres) ?
I understand the need to search albums, artists, tracks because there
are usually a lot of them but I'm guessing most users haven't got that
many genres, so only offering browsing (but not searching) for genres
should be fine or am I missing something obvious ?
Feels like it should require less clicks/touches to use the browse menu
to me.
How many genres do people who feel this is a problem really have ?
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