Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
tipsen;537888 Wrote: > Not when playing music natively supported by the system (FLAC, MP3 etc) > but maybe when transcoding files. > From > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_File_Formats: > Native or Transcoded? > In the SqueezeCenter/Squeezebox world, this can be an important > difference. The various models of Squeezebox can handle different file > types internally, so given (for example) an MP3 file can decode it into > music within the box. Other file types can't be handled within the > Squeezebox and are "transcoded", i.e. decoded in SqueezeCenter into > another format that the Squeezebox does know how to handle (see also: > Transcoding). SqueezeBox players natively handle the following > formats: > > Lossless: AIFF, PCM, FLAC, WAV > Lossy: MP3, OGG and WMA (except WMA Lossless): > Some earlier models just MP3. See Hardware comparison. > > Another significant difference for a Squeezebox is that you can > fast-forward or rewind with a format that can be played natively, but > not one that is being transcoded. That entirely misses the point. There is little reason for a playlist to use any significant resources unless the software doing it is poorly designed. Looking at the comments in 'this bug' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10889) it looks like playlist handing is a kluge that requires an entire rewrite. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
hawaiijim;537850 Wrote: > The actual playing of music should put a much greater strain on system > resources than a playlist. Not when playing music natively supported by the system (FLAC, MP3 etc) but maybe when transcoding files. From http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_File_Formats: Native or Transcoded? In the SqueezeCenter/Squeezebox world, this can be an important difference. The various models of Squeezebox can handle different file types internally, so given (for example) an MP3 file can decode it into music within the box. Other file types can't be handled within the Squeezebox and are "transcoded", i.e. decoded in SqueezeCenter into another format that the Squeezebox does know how to handle (see also: Transcoding). SqueezeBox players natively handle the following formats: Lossless: AIFF, PCM, FLAC, WAV Lossy: MP3, OGG and WMA (except WMA Lossless): Some earlier models just MP3. See Hardware comparison. Another significant difference for a Squeezebox is that you can fast-forward or rewind with a format that can be played natively, but not one that is being transcoded. -- tipsen tipsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15643 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
JJZolx;537839 Wrote: > Yes, you can. But you'll have the same limit of no more than 100 tracks > that can be in the current playlist when using the built-in server. Arg! That's just an unforgivable design flaw. JJZolx;537839 Wrote: > What you also might do is put hopes of using the built-in server out of > your mind. It has numerous limitations and, before you've even touched > a Squeezebox, you've already run into one that doesn't fit how you like > to listen to your music. The ability to play from SD card or thumb drive is the only reason for considering the Squeezebox Touch. The reason I never got a Roku Soundbridge is because of their PC-centric view of digital music. I thought Logitech had gotten home digital audio right, but I guess not. Does anyone know if the iPod has a 100 song playlist limit, or something similar? It's battery-operated and almost certainly has a weaker CPU and less memory than the Squeezebox Touch. If the iPod doesn't have such a limit, then that's proof positive that Logitech screwed up their playlist handling. I'm a software developer and I can't figure out how you'd design playlist handling in such a way that a >100 song playlist puts a strain on system resources. It's just a list! The actual playing of music should put a much greater strain on system resources than a playlist. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
hawaiijim;537831 Wrote: > I'm thinking if I want to play by genre, I probably can't group genres, > right? I probably can't have it play both "Rock" and "Classic rock" as > a single super-genre. Same limitation with "Techno" and "Breakbeat", > right? You can do this with the Random Mix, which is controlled by genre. You tick off which genres you want to include in the mix. > Can you tell it to play all the music within a particular folder? That's > how my car's CD/MP3 player works. I would hope the Touch has similar > functionality. I group my music in folders by super-genre, so I have a > "Rock" folder, a "Hip hop" folder, a "Pop" folder, and an "Electronica" > folder, etc. Yes, you can. But you'll have the same limit of no more than 100 tracks that can be in the current playlist when using the built-in server. > -*Update:* I'm thinking perhaps I should download the 'Squeezebox > Server' > (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/support/download-squeezebox-server.html) > and 'Softsqueeze' (http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net/) to sort-of try > before I buy. It won't show me the crippled 100-max playlist "feature", > but it may give me a sense of how the Squeezebox Server works.- Good idea. That's often recommended for anyone considering buying a Squeezebox or for those who have one on the way. What you also might do is put hopes of using the built-in server out of your mind. It has numerous limitations and, before you've even touched a Squeezebox, you've already run into one that doesn't fit how you like to listen to your music. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
Mnyb;537829 Wrote: > Why do you need to "cover your music with playlists" ? > > Music is browsable by > > genre > artist > album > year > > Or by Random Mix's like this: > > Random songs > Random artists > Random albums > Random years > > Here you can exclude genres you don't want in that mix. > > Random mix is not like a regular playlist it gets filled in as you go > so more songs will be added to it as you go . > > I'm not particularly fond of the playlist limit either, it's just > simple text file ? so I'm with you on that. > > But it does not make the product impossible to use. Thanks for that info. I've never owned a Squeezebox before, and haven't gotten a Touch (yet), so I don't know how it works. I read the 'documentation' (http://www.logitech.com/assets/30072/documentation.pdf) but didn't see non-playlist music-playing mentioned. I'm thinking if I want to play by genre, I probably can't group genres, right? I probably can't have it play both "Rock" and "Classic rock" as a single super-genre. Same limitation with "Techno" and "Breakbeat", right? Can you tell it to play all the music within a particular folder? That's how my car's CD/MP3 player works. I would hope the Touch has similar functionality. I group my music in folders by super-genre, so I have a "Rock" folder, a "Hip hop" folder, a "Pop" folder, and an "Electronica" folder, etc. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
hawaiijim;537825 Wrote: > Have you encountered the '100 songs per playlist limit' > (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server#No_Configurable_Settings) > when playing from USB drive? With that ridiculous limit, it seems you > would need 480 playlists to cover all of your music. > > Why do you need to "cover your music with playlists" ? Music is browsable by genre artist album year Or by Random Mix's like this: Random songs Random artists Random albums Random years Here you can exclude genres you don't want in that mix. Random mix is not like a regular playlist it gets filled in as you go so more songs will be added to it as you go . I'm not particularly fond of the playlist limit either, it's just simple text file ? so I'm with you on that. But it does not make the product impossible to use. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
mlsstl;533095 Wrote: > I plugged my USB drive into the Touch ... The drive has just shy of > 48,000 songs. Have you encountered the '100 songs per playlist limit' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server#No_Configurable_Settings) when playing from USB drive? With that ridiculous limit, it seems you would need 480 playlists to cover all of your music. mlsstl;533095 Wrote: > It is playing most of my music just fine, but I'm get an "unable to play > file type" error message when it tries to play a M4A (iTunes) song. > > In looking at the Wiki page for the Touch, the chart indicates these > files should play. What do I need to do? I'm guessing you never upgraded your iTunes music to be DRM-free. When did you buy your iTunes songs? You do realize that all older iTunes songs are DRM-protected, right? That means nothing but iTunes and iPods can play it. If you have DRM-protected iTunes music, you can upgrade to non-DRM music for 30¢ per song. That 30¢ per song is actually a good deal, because not only will your music be DRM-free, but it will also be of higher audio quality. Old iTunes songs are 128-kbps AAC, while non-DRM iTunes songs are 256-kbps AAC. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
Ali Tait;536566 Wrote: > How often are new versions released? they told me that maybe in 2 or 3 weeks there will be a new version of the server. I hope the information is real and they didn't say it just to calm me. -- perro6969 perro6969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
How often are new versions released? -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
kidstypike;536497 Wrote: > Brand new LaCie 500 gig mains powered USB HD 27000 tracks, initial scan > 5.5 hours, crashed during artwork scan. Restarted server, this time > completed artwork scan, about 6.5 hours total. Playing an album or > random songs, usually the first track is ruined by stuttering - > restarting, but eventually settles down and plays ok until I try to > skip a track, this usually crashes the server, restarting the server, > DISCOVERING_DIRECTORY PROGRESS takes 20 mins. > > Thinking there was a problem with the HD, I attached the Maxtor 500 gig > HD that I use for my PC Squeezebox server. Scan times similar to the > first HD, however after two crashes attempting to scan the artwork, I > gave it up. > > I deleted loads of albums from the first HD, down to 14500 tracks. > Checked all tags with Mp3tag, checked all embedded artwork was below > 150kb, with Tag&Rename. Mounted this squeaky clean drive on the Touch. > Scan took about 2 hours with no problems. (Remaining scan time is way > out, you can practically double whatever is displayed). Exactly same > problems with stuttering/crashing. DISCOVERING_DIRECTORY PROGRESS now > takes 11.5 minutes. > > I bought the Touch with a view to this being the basis of my audio > set-up, however, using the inbuilt server has completely ruined the > Touch user experience for me. As it stands at the moment, I would not > recommend the Touch as a stand alone player/server. > Many thanks for your feedback!! I thought I was the only one having this problem so I called the Logitech support in Germany and they said it was for sure a software problem and that I should wait for the new version of the server. I'll wait for the new version and if I still have the same problem, I'll send the touch back. I hope they are right and logitech can solve this bug with the new version... -- perro6969 perro6969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
kidstypike;536497 Wrote: > I bought the Touch with a view to this being the basis of my audio > set-up, however, using the inbuilt server has completely ruined the > Touch user experience for me. As it stands at the moment, I would not > recommend the Touch as a stand alone player/server. I only bought the Touch to use as a player with my existing server. I was looking for an upgrade in sound quality over my SB3/Classic with an eye toward eliminating the external DAC. The Touch accomplished that goal for me so I'm happy with its performance in my system. However, I have to say it is disappointing to read that, after a four month release delay to get the built-in server working right, so many people seem to be having problems with this feature. My external drive never did finish a scan, even after 15 or 16 hours. It's a duplicate of the server drive's internal music directory where all 48,000 songs do a complete clear/recan in about 50 minutes. It sounds like the odds of success improve if one gives the built-in server 2 or 3 shots at the process. That doesn't strike me as very user friendly or within any any reasonable expectations of a non-geek user. It seems the built-in server becomes a real hit-or-miss as the size of the external drive increases. I hope that improves or I think a lot of people will be disappointed with the product. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
perro6969;536434 Wrote: > I scaned the HD again. It took 9 hours!!. After that I have the same > problems searching or starting a title. > Now I'm waiting more than 1 hour to re-scan (searching for new files). > I think I will call the logitech support, because this CAN'T be OK. > How long did you wait for the first scan? Brand new LaCie 500 gig mains powered USB HD 27000 tracks, initial scan 5.5 hours, crashed during artwork scan. Restarted server, this time completed artwork scan, about 6.5 hours total. Playing an album or random songs, usually the first track is ruined by stuttering - restarting, but eventually settles down and plays ok until I try to skip a track, this usually crashes the server, restarting the server, DISCOVERING_DIRECTORY PROGRESS takes 20 mins. Thinking there was a problem with the HD, I attached the Maxtor 500 gig HD that I use for my PC Squeezebox server. Scan times similar to the first HD, however after two crashes attempting to scan the artwork, I gave it up. I deleted loads of albums from the first HD, down to 14500 tracks. Checked all tags with Mp3tag, checked all embedded artwork was below 150kb, with Tag&Rename. Mounted this squeaky clean drive on the Touch. Scan took about 2 hours with no problems. (Remaining scan time is way out, you can practically double whatever is displayed). Exactly same problems with stuttering/crashing. DISCOVERING_DIRECTORY PROGRESS now takes 11.5 minutes. I bought the Touch with a view to this being the basis of my audio set-up, however, using the inbuilt server has completely ruined the Touch user experience for me. As it stands at the moment, I would not recommend the Touch as a stand alone player/server. I don't wish to knock this product, the Touch is amazing when used with the SBS on my PC, thanks to all involved in it's development. -- kidstypike kidstypike 1xSB3 - 1xDuet - 1xBoom - 1xRadio - 1xTouch kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
JJZolx;536328 Wrote: > _During_ the initial library scan? Yeah, it can probably be expected to > be slow. Afterward, it should be acceptable. I scaned the HD again. It took 9 hours!!. After that I have the same problems searching or starting a title. Now I'm waiting more than 1 hour to re-scan (searching for new files). I think I will call the logitech support, because this CAN'T be OK. How long did you wait for the first scan? -- perro6969 perro6969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
usch;536034 Wrote: > This is most likely not going to work unless your PC is running Linux > (otherwise the path names will be different), and you are running the > embedded version of SBS on that PC (otherwise SBS will use MySQL, while > STS uses SQLite). If both preconditions are met you can try it, but I'm > sure it would require some tweaking. Well I don't think it actually works at the moment. What I mean is that generating database files for the embedded server could be an option available in next version of Squeezeserver. Those files could be written directly on the usb disk, or "exported" on the PC disk, so you can manually copy them to the usb disk. I guess SQLite database structure is well known, and database files easy to generate from whatever platform you use (a kind of crossplatform software). -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
perro6969;536049 Wrote: > But coming back to the original question...Is it normal that navigating > through the artist or album list or starting to play a title is so > slow? _During_ the initial library scan? Yeah, it can probably be expected to be slow. Afterward, it should be acceptable. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
nicolas75;535997 Wrote: > Hello, > Would it be possible to have an option to generate the embedded server > database on the usb disk with a fast PC ? > So you can use it as it is when you plug the disk to the Touch and use > the embedded server ? I think it should be possible and something I thought about back in 2008. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=357706&postcount=46 I really think that given what we are seeing about performance with scanning on the device itself that doing the 'pre-scan' on the PC is going to be the best way forward for anyone with large collections. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
hmmm...In that case, then I think it won't work. thanks for the information! But coming back to the original question...Is it normal that navigating through the artist or album list or starting to play a title is so slow? Do you have the same problem? if not, which USB HD are you using? -- perro6969 perro6969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
nicolas75;535997 Wrote: > Would it be possible to have an option to generate the embedded server > database on the usb disk with a fast PC ? > So you can use it as it is when you plug the disk to the Touch and use > the embedded server ? This is most likely not going to work unless your PC is running Linux (otherwise the path names will be different), and you are running the embedded version of SBS on that PC (otherwise SBS will use MySQL, while STS uses SQLite). If both preconditions are met you can try it, but I'm sure it would require some tweaking. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
I don't know... Today I don't have too much time, but tomorrow, I can compare the database files created by the server on the PC (have to find out first where is it located) and the one created by the embedded server (located on the HD itself). If they are the same, I suppose this could be done. It's a good idea if it works! thanks! -- perro6969 perro6969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
Hello, I still have my SB3, but I will probably buy a Touch soon. I am bit puzzled by the scanning time you are talking about for direct usb hard disk. For similar music library, my laptop scan everything in a few minutes with squeezeserver 7.5 I can understand this will be slower with the embedded server of the Touch. But we are talking about almost an hour scanning instead of a few minutes ... I usually rescan everything from scratch each time my music library change. It is fast enough (even with more than 400 CDs), and I am sure it is clean. Suggestion : Would it be possible to have an option to generate the embedded server database on the usb disk with a fast PC ? So you can use it as it is when you plug the disk to the Touch and use the embedded server ? -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
Hello everybody, I'm having similar problems... I have an 500 GB 2,5 external USB HD. Because the Squeezebox had some problems recognizing the drive, I bought an AC self powered USB Hub to solve the problem. There are more or less 5 titles on the HD. It took 8 hours to scan it. I thought that now everything should go faster, but no! It takes a very long time to navigate through artists or albums (more or less 7-10 sec) and when I choose a song, then it takes other 5-8 sec to be started or added to the playlist. I don't have this problem when accessing the same USB HD connected to my PC via WLAN. I installed the server on it and run the scan. The navigation is fast and starting a title takes no longer than 1 sec. Is this normal? I thought if the Squeezebox Touch accesses the USB HD directly it should be faster than via WLAN. For me it makes no sense. That's why I think something should be wrong with my Squeezebox Touch. What do you think? I am doing something wrong? Is it better to use a 3,5 external HD? Many thanks for your help and comments in advance! Nacho -- perro6969 perro6969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
I let the USB drive run overnight and I don't think it ever did complete a scan. However, it did play any music that I selected through the folder directory (other than the iTunes material.) I umounted the drive from the Touch and checked it on my linux PC and it seems to be OK. I'm not sure what the story is about this. (A 2 GB flash drive with a selection of music on it mounted in a couple of minutes and seemed to behave as others indicated it should.) I don't think I'm going to spend anymore time on this issue right now. I'll just hang back and see what others experience over the next week or two. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
mlsstl;533095 Wrote: > 1) I plugged my USB drive into the Touch and the scan seems painfully > slow. > > It will play music in the meantime, but I'm still not done after 3 > hours. The drive has just shy of 48,000 songs. A rescan on my server is > about 45 to 50 minutes. > > I'm just trying to find out what to expect. > > Yes a full scan of a large drive can take a long time. My tests showed that a USB HD on the Touch is around 4-6 times slower than an internal SATA drive is on a full blown PC. Part of that is the USB drive itself and part is the slower processor. So the full scan takes a long time. Once its done though things work quite well, playing music does not use anywhere near full bandwidth of most USB drives. You might see a slight difference in normal use on a large library because some external USB drives have considerably slower access times than those commonly used in desktop PCs. This might make a difference in some situations. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
mlsstl wrote: > 1) I plugged my USB drive into the Touch and the scan seems painfully > slow. > > It will play music in the meantime, but I'm still not done after 3 > hours. The drive has just shy of 48,000 songs. A rescan on my server is > about 45 to 50 minutes. > > I'm just trying to find out what to expect. The CPU and memory in the Touch are way slower than a typical server or PC. That is a lot of songs. I've never tried that many during beta testing, but I'm think that may be as expected. The internal Touch server was not intended to replace a full blown SqueezeBoxServer. It was designed for folks who didn't have a lot of music, didn't want to setup a server. 40,000 songs is a lot of songs. Even ten times as long as your real server would not be a surprize to me. All IMHO, Once you are done scanning, you don't have to replicate it often. I think the initial design was for folks with a USB thumb drive to show off a bit of music, or perhaps play music from an iPad or iPhone. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
1) I plugged my USB drive into the Touch and the scan seems painfully slow. It will play music in the meantime, but I'm still not done after 3 hours. The drive has just shy of 48,000 songs. A rescan on my server is about 45 to 50 minutes. I'm just trying to find out what to expect. 2) It is playing most of my music just fine, but I'm get an "unable to play file type" error message when it tries to play a M4A (iTunes) song. In looking at the Wiki page for the Touch, the chart indicates these files should play. What do I need to do? I plan on keeping my server running for 99% of my music listening, but it'd be nice to take the Touch and a drive to someone else's house. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
