date:20051210




Oophs, typo, I meant Romans 2:14,15. When we 
become partakers of the 'divine nature' by the indwelling
of the Holy Spirit we are enabled to do by nature what 
is required by God's Law. That is, when we choose
to walk after the Spirit rather than follow the lusts 
of the old flesh nature.

  On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:44:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  







You speak as if the Holy Sprit 
indwelling and the "..law written on 
their hearts" are two different things. 
What exactly do you mean when you, Judy Taylor, speak of the law 
written on your heart? Memorization or what?

No JD, it's too much for the old 
unregenerated mind - the law is spiritual - When we are in Christ and 
indwelt by the Spirit of Christ we like 
the ppl in Romans 2:14,15 do by nature the thingsrequired by God's 
Law.

What ever it means, we do know that it cannot be the same 
experienceas those under theMosaical Law. Is it the Holy Spirit 's 
influence - but you make a difference between the 
two. If this "law" has to do with various and multiple 
commandments, how are they written on our hearts in a way different 
from the Old Law? I honestly have no idea how you might answer 
this question. I have no answer and that is 
why I reject (up to this point in time) the notion that the "law written on 
our hearts" is talking about law as opposed to the rule of the 
Spirit. jd

Careful JD, if you 
reject everything in scripture that you don't comprehend mentally then 
pretty soon you will have to throw out the whole Book. 
jtFrom: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.com



In OT days they 
did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling 
them, nor did they have
God's Law written on their hearts. They lived 
in a theocracy and Moses had to 
gather the ppl, 
men, women, and children and read God's Law to 
them every
seven years. jt


On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:21:12 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
   
  How is this different from OT 
  days  
  Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ???
  
  jd
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 08 Dec 
  2005 11:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to 
  Heaven?
  

  
  
  
  
  How is this different from OT 
  days  
  Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ???
  
  jd
  
  
  
  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 05:09:54 
  -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is Judas going to Heaven?
  

  
  Why do we need scripture? 
  Yes the born again/spirit filled believer is 
  given the measure of faith - 
  Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts 
  But let's look at our example, the Head of the 
  Church, the one we are to follow 
  During His earthly ministry Jesus walked in all 
  this too; in fact He walked in the fulness of the Spirit 
  When confronted by the adversary - What was His 
  defense? It is written, It is written, It is written.
  No wonder the professing church is so weak. 
  You would rather do it any way but learn from Him.
  
  If anyone speaks not according 
  to THIS WORD there is no light of day for him (Isa 8:20)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


  
  
  You haven't read the book either !!! This is what is 
  so great about you and Judy. First -- 
  you twodisagree on a number of 
  points --but, like you, I willignore that for 
  timebeing.In addition to the Inspired Version 
  doctrine, and theInerrant Understanding 
  didache, you two also believe that 
  you can condemn a book without having read it , not to mention that 
  you know of the personal judgments of God.With those 
  qualifications, why do we even need the 
  Bible? We certainly don't need preachers, pastors 
  and teacher -- I mean the Holy Spirit will take care of 
  all that - right? But ignore these questions, as well. Your peace of mind just 
  migh t be at stake.  
  
  jd 
-
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

[TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton



We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start 
advertising Holiday sales.  When you walk in the stores you are 
greeted by salespeople with Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  
Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's 
property.  No buckets or bell ringers there anymore.
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned 
Christ mas, it would only be lip service.


Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try 
to remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls 
on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that 
people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s 
stupid.  Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me 
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine.


Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there 
something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?

Terry
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

I will start calling it the "Holiday season", when they start Selling "Holiday Trees" around the 4th of July Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore.This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the
reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service.Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine.Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?Terry--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

What does this mean?  Are you saying you worsghip the Sun not the Son?Blainerb: Sounds more like some ofJoseph Smith'stom-foolery! He was famous for saying ridiculous things for a laugh! Once while the Nauvoo temple was being built, and the sunstone with the round-faced image of God carved on it was about to be put into place, someone asked if that was what God looked like. He replied that it was, except his nose was just a smidgeon wider! Both he and the man who asked the question got a good laugh! Where is your sense of humor, Kevin? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I thought the same thing - this looks like what we used to call in Australia a golliwog. jtOn Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:53:46 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Kevin Deegan wrote:   temple stone!I had kinda pictured God in my mind as having a little different hair
 do. Are you certain this is Him?Terry   judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)  Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping   __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.


What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, 
Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 
'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, 
many more to come).


- Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, 
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is 
bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and 
home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising Holiday 
sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with 
Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to 
run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers 
there anymore.
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should 
be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is 
not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas, 
it would only be lip service.


Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to 
remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on 
Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that 
people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s stupid. 
Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me 
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be 
Mine.


Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there 
something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?

Terry
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know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad http://www.signaturebooks.com/leather.htm Early Mormonism and the Magic World ViewD. MICHAEL QUINNDue to repeated requests, Signature Books has issued a limited number of D. Michael Quinn's award winning tome (Mormon History Association Best Book Award) in a special leather edition. A former BYU professor now living and writing in California, Quinn is among the most respected historians of Mormonism today. He counts among
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in
the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming
Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the 
thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other 
than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?

PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say 
the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, 
is he just a jingoist?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
  
  With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more 
  people with whom to share/live the gospel."
  
  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
  many, many more to come).
  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always 
  been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Upset? 
No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means 
more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one 
to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones 
suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! 
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to 
come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: 
December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons 
greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news 
lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the 
world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when 
all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home 
depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday 
 sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople 
with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so 
far as to  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or 
bell ringers  there anymore. This sounds like where the 
preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you 
must remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to 
proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas,  
it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get 
the beam out of our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from 
their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, 
that many churches will not have services "So that  people can spend 
time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not 
take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of 
Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more 
than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be  
Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over 
this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your 
thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be 
always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may  know how you 
ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  
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RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


By your logic, Lance, we should hope for the whole world to be lost so that
we have more people to share the gospel with???  And how are we going to
do that if words like Christ and Christmas are verboten?

PS You forgot to mention the manufacturing jobs that were added (not in your
stats).  Iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:41 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.

What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, 
Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more

'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, 
many more to come).

 - Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



 We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, 
 and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is 
 bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and

 home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising Holiday

 sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with 
 Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to 
 run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers 
 there anymore.
 This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should

 be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is 
 not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas, 
 it would only be lip service.

 Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to 
 remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on 
 Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that 
 people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s stupid.

 Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
 The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me 
 more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be 
 Mine.

 Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there 
 something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?
 Terry
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 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Wake up and smell the coffee, Iz. I desire no such thing. Your response, 
similar to Kevin's response, is just a cry of fantasy (Say it ain't so 
Joe!). Should you wish to prepare grandchildren for the 'new world (order)' 
then begin to acquaint yourself with reality. Go to the library and pick up 
'China Inc.' by Ted Fishman.


How many manufacturing jobs were added over the same time span? You live in 
a knowledge-based economy. You are not turning out many younger women to 
fill the jobs in this sector. As you know Iz, guys and a lost cause when it 
comes to education.



- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 09:22
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




By your logic, Lance, we should hope for the whole world to be lost so 
that

we have more people to share the gospel with???  And how are we going to
do that if words like Christ and Christmas are verboten?

PS You forgot to mention the manufacturing jobs that were added (not in 
your

stats).  Iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:41 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.

What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They,
Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No 
more


'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many,
many more to come).

- Original Message - 
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is
bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target 
and


home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
Holiday



sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with
Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to
run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers
there anymore.
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
should



be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is
not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas,
it would only be lip service.

Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to
remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on
Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that
people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s 
stupid.



Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be
Mine.

Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there
something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?
Terry
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Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox

2005-12-10 Thread Dean Moore




\Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.

 cd:True prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.




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Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

Me again.-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:10:54 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:44:07 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You speak as if the Holy Sprit indwelling and the "..law written on their hearts" are two different things.
What exactly do you mean when you, Judy Taylor, speak of the law written on your heart? Memorization or what?

No JD, it's too much for the old unregenerated mind - the law is spiritual - When we are in Christ and indwelt by the Spirit of Christ we like the ppl in Romans 1:14,15 do by nature the thingsrequired by God's Law.

You have not explained how your version of legal inwardness is different from that of the OT opportunity for same. Secondly,you misunderstand Romans , chapter 2 (you meant 2:14-,15 correct ?).The "Gentiles" in that passage are not regenerated anything. You only say that because your bias orders you to do so.

Look at what you say !! The "Gentile" (according to you) is anyone and everyone who has the indwelling Holy Spirit. He is one who has received the new nature and , therefore, does by nature the things of the Law.

So -- who is the Jew in this passage? He is obviously not like the rest of us. If the Gentile is the Holy Ghost inhabited disciple of God - who is this Jew guy? And , if the Gentile is the one withthe Holy Spirit, who does by nature the things of the Law - how is it that he might be lost ("...conscience either excusing or accusing .")? And what of 2:12? The "Gentile" in this passage, according to Judy, is the saved individual (having the indwelling Holy Spirit). He is judged by onestandardand the Jew (Christian?) is judged by another.

It is so much easier to just accept the text for what it says.

What ever it means, we do know that it cannot be the same experienceas those under theMosaical Law. Is it the Holy Spirit 's influence - but you make a difference between the two. If this "law" has to do with various and multiple commandments, how are they written on our hearts in a way different from the Old Law? I honestly have no idea how you might answer this question. I have no answer and that is why I reject (up to this point in time) the notion that the "law written on our hearts" is talking about law as opposed to the rule of the Spirit. jd

Careful JD, if you reject everything in scripture that you don't comprehend mentally then pretty soon you will have to throw out the whole Book. jtI can't reject what I don't comprehend, Judy. You are such an avowed anti-intellectual that it is scary. And, what is almost funny about your anti-intellectual stance is that you rely so much on yourown brand of intellectualism. It is startling to me, justhow little you use scripture to get from point A to point B. "Discernment," my dear, is the single most lacking quality you possess!!!

In OT days they did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, nor did they have
God's Law written on their hearts. They lived in a theocracy and Moses had to
gather the ppl, men, women, and children and read God's Law to them every
seven years. jt

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:21:12 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How is this different from OT days
Yes we now have God's Law written on our hearts ???

Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit


So the Jew , in Ro 2, is the one who is lost? !! I mean, he is not doing the law "by nature." Crazy.-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 05:45:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit



Oophs, typo, I meant Romans 2:14,15. When we become partakers of the 'divine nature' by the indwelling
of the Holy Spirit we are enabled to do by nature what is required by God's Law. That is, when we choose
to walk after the Spirit rather than follow the lusts of the old flesh nature.

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

But they have all those damned demon children SAVE YOUR SELVES. Hide!!!-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when
all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am
I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -
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Re: [TruthTalk] Aren't we all?



 
Saturday, December 10, 2005



Democrats sell Christian 'hypocrite' stickerFish symbol with hellish flames removed from website after exposure

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The official website of Washington State Democrats sold magnetic car stickers of the Christian fish symbol and cross emblazoned with the word "hypocrite" on a background of hellish flames. 
The item was removed about mid-day yesterday after a weblog took note, calling it an example of Democrat Party hostility toward religious believers, especially Christians. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher


"But in respect of the very three elements which are supposed to vindicate it[theology]as a science, namely, the idea of unity, the possibility of myth, and the humanistic relevance of Christianity, it can only be described as completely empty from the theological standpoint, so that theology integrated along these lines must be flatly disowned as theology" (Dogmatics, 1.1, The word of God, pp. 9,10).



When critics of Barth leapfrogsuch foundational comments, they cannot possibly understand what Barth is all about. He is as "conservative" as one gets - if being centered in the Word is a definition of same. 


Bro Barth seems to accept these criterion as legitimate considerations when one thinks to consider theology as a "science" :

1. freedom from contradiction
2. Unity in the sphere of its object. [read: subject matter].
3. The willingness to accept request for verification.
4. Respect for that which is physically and biologically impossible.
5. Freedom from all prejudgments.
6. The validity of axiomatic propositions [relative to biblical studies and 'theological' conclusions].

Certainly, these are excellent considerations as one considers a person hermeneutic. 
[] are my additions. 

jd

[TruthTalk] Employee Christmas Party


 Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: Employee Christmas Party
 
 
 
 
 
 Employee Christmas Party
 
 December 1st
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 I'm happy to inform you that the company
 Christmas Party will take
 place on December 23rd at Luigi's Open Pit
 Barbecue. There will be lots
 of spiked eggnog and a small band playing
 traditional carols ... feel
 free to sing along. And don't be surprised if our
 CEO shows up dressed
 as Santa Claus to light the Christmas tree!
 Exchange of gifts among
 employees can be done at that time; however, no
 gift should be over
 $10.
 
 Merry Christmas to you and your family.
 Patty Lewis
 Human Resources Director
 

---
 -
 December 2nd
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 In no way was yesterday's memo intended to
 exclude our Jewish employees.
 We
 recognize that Hanukkah is an important holiday
 that often coincides
 with Christmas (though unfortunately not this
 year). However, from now
 on we're calling it our Holiday Party.? The
 same policy applies to
 employees who are celebrating Kwanzaa at this
 time. There will be no
 Christmas tree and no Christmas carols sung.
 
 Happy Holidays to you and your family.
 Patty Lewis
 Human Resources Director

--
 December 3rd
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 Regarding the anonymous note I received from a
 member of Alcoholics
 Anonymous requesting a non-drinking table, I'm
 happy to accommodate
 this request, but, don't forget, if I put a sign
 on the table that
 reads, AA Only, you won't be anonymous anymore.
 In addition, forget
 about the gifts
 exchange-- no gifts will be allowed since the
 union members feel that
 $10 is too much money.
 
 Patty Lewis
 Human Researchers Director


 December 7th
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 
 I've arranged for members of Overeaters Anonymous
 to sit farthest from
 the dessert buffet and pregnant women closest to
 the restrooms. Gays
 are allowed to sit with each other. Lesbians do
 not have to sit with
 the gay men if they don't care to; each will have
 their own table.
 Yes, there will be a flower arrangement for the
 gay men's table.
 Happy now?
 
 Patty Lewis
 Human Racehorses Director
 


 December 9th
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 
 People, people -- nothing sinister was intended
 by wanting our CEO to
 play Santa Claus! Even if the anagram of Santa
 does happen to be
 Satan,
 there is no evil connotation to our own little
 man in a red suit.
 
 Patty Lewis
 Human Ratraces
 

--
 December 10th
 
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 Vegetarians -- I've had it with you people!!
 We're going to hold this
 party at Luigi's Open Pit whether you like it or
 not, you can just sit
 at the table farthest from the grill of death,
 as you put it, and
 you'll get salad bar only, including hydroponic
 tomatoes.? But, you
 know, tomatoes have feelings, too.? They scream
 when you slice them.
 I've heard them scream.? I'm hearing them right
 now... Ha!
 
 I hope you all have a rotten holiday! Drive drunk
 and die, you hear me?
 
 Patti Lewis
 The Witch from Hell
 

---
 December 14th
 
 TO: ALL EMPLOYEES
 I'm sure I speak for all of us in wishing Patty
 Lewis a speedy recovery
 from her stress-related illness. I'll continue to
 forward your cards
 to her at the sanitarium. In the meantime,
 management has decided to
 cancel our Holiday Party and give everyone the
 afternoon of the 23rd
 off with full pay.
 
 Terri Bishop
 Acting Human Resources Director
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Lance you SAID,  More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the
gospel. You are the one in fantasy world. 

Generally speaking, manufacturing jobs are on-the-job training types of
jobs.  No college education required. But America is entering a new age
where information is the product more than manufacturing, which is
increasingly be taken over by third world countries (it's a big step up for
them.) iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 8:31 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Wake up and smell the coffee, Iz. I desire no such thing. Your response, 
similar to Kevin's response, is just a cry of fantasy (Say it ain't so 
Joe!). Should you wish to prepare grandchildren for the 'new world (order)' 
then begin to acquaint yourself with reality. Go to the library and pick up 
'China Inc.' by Ted Fishman.

How many manufacturing jobs were added over the same time span? You live in 
a knowledge-based economy. You are not turning out many younger women to 
fill the jobs in this sector. As you know Iz, guys and a lost cause when it 
comes to education.


- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 10, 2005 09:22
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



 By your logic, Lance, we should hope for the whole world to be lost so 
 that
 we have more people to share the gospel with???  And how are we going to
 do that if words like Christ and Christmas are verboten?

 PS You forgot to mention the manufacturing jobs that were added (not in 
 your
 stats).  Iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:41 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

 Upset? No!  Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.

 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They,
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No 
 more

 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many,
 many more to come).

 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



 We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail,
 and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is
 bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target 
 and

 home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday

 sales.  When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with
 Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.  Target stores went so far as to
 run the Salvation army off it's property.  No buckets or bell ringers
 there anymore.
 This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
 should

 be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is
 not to proclaim Christ, but to make money.  If they mentioned Christ mas,
 it would only be lip service.

 Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to
 remove the speck from their's.  It seems that since Christmas falls on
 Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So that
 people can spend time with their families.  That, to me, is s 
 stupid.

 Why not take the family to church?  What am I missing here?
 The words of Jesus keep running through my mind.  If you do not love me
 more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be
 Mine.

 Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this?  Is there
 something here I don't see?  Am I too critical?  Your thoughts?
 Terry
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 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] For an INERRANTIST y'all are ERRANT (IMO - whew!) in your interpretations, Judy




Scripture presents 
Godin Christ forall the world--this is the reason her Bible 
teaching resonates in her own mind

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:42:37 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..TT has taken issue with your Scriptural 
  interpretation(s) on occasion(s). Many have taken exception to your 
  no-personalist hermeneutic.

Re: [TruthTalk] To Lance who is ever seeking the perfect person




myth [behind this 
statement it's jt herselfjudging (for)God]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:57:26 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life they 
  exclude themselves from his Promises.

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

The dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows! No end in sight! Those that want to be typewriter TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin. You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUpset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate
nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.
It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend
time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). So lets all quit our jobs and go to China. We can evangelize the PAGANS And there are great opportunities in manufacturing in OUTER MONGOLIA They are hiring ASSEMBLY workers to INSERT the MOLDED BLACK PLASTIC DIAL on those FIVE DOLLAR Transitor RADIOS. It's NOT JUST A JOB itis a Career in ELECTRONICS! Great careers in sales too selling inventory to the dollar stores. -Original Message-From: Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It
is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That,
to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. - -"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher

Thanks JD  Pastor, BISHOP and NOW Master Teacher![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"But in respect of the very three elements which are supposed to vindicate it[theology]as a science, namely, the idea of unity, the possibility of myth, and the humanistic relevance of Christianity, it can only be described as completely empty from the theological standpoint, so that theology integrated along these lines must be flatly disowned as theology" (Dogmatics, 1.1, The word of God, pp. 9,10).When critics of Barth leapfrogsuch foundational comments, they
 cannot possibly understand what Barth is all about. He is as "conservative" as one gets - if being centered in the Word is a definition of same.   Bro Barth seems to accept these criterion as legitimate considerations when one thinks to consider theology as a "science" :1. freedom from contradiction  2. Unity in the sphere of its object. [read: subject matter].  3. The willingness to accept request for verification.  4. Respect for that which is physically and biologically impossible.  5. Freedom from all prejudgments.  6. The validity of axiomatic propositions [relative to biblical studies and 'theological'
 conclusions].Certainly, these are excellent considerations as one considers a person hermeneutic.   [] are my additions. jd
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] To Lance who is ever seeking the perfect person

  I Was Crazy Once  by Brandon M. DennisWith iron prodders and pokey things  They scrape and mar and break and bleed  While the younglings lay in dreams  Of Lucifers fall and Adams deedDown the hatch where leaves fall  I saw the coin of the smartest side  Where no one knows how big or small  The cuckoo grins at his feathery rideForever they swept the furthest barrow  And within found what he foretold  About Thors goats marrow  The shimmering rays the sword-blade holdI then went walking down the ravine  To examine every flying whim  Whose scales are now better seen  In feathery flinching fighting finBeneath my skin I saw it crawl  And make its trail and burrow deep  Forever to retain the call  of laughter for your ears to keep!And you who sit on earthy-blood  Read the tree-flesh while you chew  on runes carved with inky mud.  You think Im crazy, dont you?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  myth [behind this statement it's jt herselfjudging (for)God] 
   On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:57:26 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life they exclude themselves from his Promises.
	
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Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo and the age of Aquarius





Hope you can understand this (see 
below). 

The age of Aquarius will not 
startuntil the year 2614--until then we are stuck with the age of 
Pisces.
At the time of Christ, it was the age of 
Aries, which bytheway, is the birth sun-sign of Jesus--assuming he was born 
during the Passover, as the BoM suggests he was. And if he was born at 
that time, his moon sign would likely have been Libra. Aries and Libra are 
complementary signs--Aries emphasizing the head, symbolized by the Ram, and 
associated with courage, initiative, and independence; Librais 
symbolizedby the scales of justice and balance, and is associated 
with Love, fairness and social awareness. Libra is also sometimes 
symbolized byan iron fist wearing a velvet glove.  

Blainerb (more below)

In a message dated 12/8/2005 8:57:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, 
  the resident TT astrologer says, " and the sunstone with the round-faced 
  image of god". Is god's face round like the sun? Does the sun have a 
  face like god's? Does god have a literal face? Are god and the sun the 
  same that anyone should combine them in an image? Can you say "Sun 
  worship"? "Graven Images"?"When the suun is in the seventh 
  house...and Ju-pi-ter aligns with Mars.Pce will guide the 
  pla-a-nuts, and lve will guide the stars, this is the dawning of the 
  age of aquarius, the age of 
  aguarius...aquris...aquriiiuuus".
Gee, that was fun. I haven't sung that since Pluto was in the 
doghouse.Blaine, can you explain what the age of aquarius is, if we are 
now in the age of aquarius, and how that squares with your mormon beliefs, 
or how it does not?Do you believe Nostradamus to be an authentic 
prognosticator of the future? What evidence do you have of the truth of his 
prophecies?Thanks,Perry

Precession and 
the Age of AquariusMany people have a daily encounter with the 
twelve signs of the zodiac in the form of daily horoscopes. This celestial 
self-help column is the tired heir of the ancient cult of astrology: the belief 
that what goes on overhead in the sky influences what we do in our daily lives. 
The horoscopes usually provide very generic advice, good for any sign in any 
season. How can one go wrong with that? Along with this belief of being 
influenced by balls of rock and gas millions and billions of light years away, 
is a belief that we also live in certain "ages." And perhaps no particular age 
is better know that the one paid tribute to in the 60's musical "Hair" the 
famous "Age of Aquarius." 
Before we go into what an "age" is, we have to 
point out a bit of a flaw in the astrological sense. My sign is Cancer, 
supposedly on my birthday, July 10th, the Sun resides in the stars of 
Cancer the Crab. Bzt! In fact, on July 10th, the Sun is nowhere near Cancer, 
it is lurking in Gemini, the Twins. What happened? It?s called precession. 

When astrology had its birth pangs, thousands of 
years ago with the Babylonians, the sky looked a little different than it does 
now. Long ago, on July 10th, the Sun really did hang out in Cancer. But 
precession has caused things to shift. The Earth rotates on its axis, just 
like a top. Also like a top, but not to the same extreme, the Earth is bulged 
slightly at the equator and flattened slightly at the poles. The Sun and Moon 
tug on that bulge and cause the Earth to wobble a bit. If you watch a spinning 
top you can see that the top does not point straight up but traces out a small 
circle which gets more pronounced as the top winds down. The Earth doesn't wind 
down and the axis keeps tracing out that same small circle. It takes a very long 
time to make one circle, 26,000 years to be exact. Precession has the effect of 
making the stars appear to "shift" in their places in the sky. 
Right now our axis points to the north star, 
long ago it pointed to a star called Thuban in Draco. In the future it will 
point to Vega, and sometimes in its path, there is no north star at all. But in 
addition to changes in the north star, there are other changes, and it is the 
reason for the shift in the zodiac. Precession has caused the Sun to have the 
stars of Gemini as a backdrop instead of Cancer. But back to the ages, 
what are they? 
The ages are astrology's way of dealing with 
precession. Long ago, on the vernal equinox, the Sun was in the stars of Aries 
the ram. Back then the astrologers referred to the age of Aries. Apparently 
there are certain attributes connected with each age. 
Currently we are in the age of Pisces. I'm not 
sure what attributes are connected with this age. According to the popular song, 
we are in the "dawning of the age of Aquarius." And when the much heralded age 
arrives, harmony, trust and love will abound. But don't hold your breath waiting 
for that age of Aquarius. It's going to be a long morning twilight. The age of 
Aquarius will not start until the year 2614.

Re: [TruthTalk] To Lance who is ever seeking the perfect person




..jt ain't happy 
with God's perspective so she created her own (God: 
herself)

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:47:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  myth [behind this 
  statement it's jt herselfjudging (for)God]
  
  On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:57:26 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
..they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life 
they exclude themselves from his Promises.

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE--Dave's clarifying explanation





Nice explication, Dave--I should have it printed off and give it out next 
time I teach a SS class--
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/9/2005 12:35:10 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Sorry to take so long getting back to you on this, 
  Lance. While I can give you a longer version than before, I 
  certainly can't give you all the details, as I have neither the time (I do 
  need some sleep!) nor the knowledge. 
  But... As you must know, I believe God created 
  us spiritually prior to the creation of the world. IOWwe were spirit 
  beings in a pre-mortal existence. It is my belief that God the Father 
  consists of a spirit housed in a physical body. He created us as spirit 
  beings, with the intent that we could (if we desire and are obedient) become 
  not only one with him, but also perfect (complete, as Perry would suggest) as 
  he is perfect. That basic process is known by LDS 
  folks as eternal progressioneffectively progressing from a created 
  spirit being to one who is like God. As has been often quoted, one LDS 
  authority said...As man is, God once was. As God is, man 
  may become..which is a catchy phrase that tends to excite 
  many Christians, yet it implies the thinking of many LDS folks who believe we 
  have the potential to become like GodIFF we so desire to fulfill our 
  potential to become one with the Lord by being obedient to him. Those 
  who do so, bring glory to the Lord. Those who don't will suffer 
  damnation (hell) to some extent, by impeding their eternal 
  progression. In order that the spirit beings in the 
  pre-mortal existence can progress to the point of gaining a glorified 
  resurrected body of flesh and bone, as the Savior now has, it was necessary 
  for us to be born into a world created perfectly, so to speak. Adam and 
  Eve were created as immortals, and as such were incapable of death. Not 
  only that, but they were incapable of understanding the difference between 
  good and evilthey were innocent. Yes, they were pure and undefiled, 
  but yet they were also naive in their innocence.quite unlike God who knows 
  the difference between good and evil. By placing the 
  tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, and then commanding them not 
  to eat of that tree, explaining that they would die IF they partook of the 
  forbidden fruit, God made it possible for them to not only gain the knowledge 
  needed to become like him, but he also provided a way they could shed their 
  bodies of flesh and bloodby dying, which separates the spirit from the 
  body. In partaking of the forbidden fruit, not only 
  did AE subject themselves to the possibility of physical death (which we 
  define as the separation of the spirit from the physical body), but they also 
  were separated from God.which we define as spiritual 
  death. In essence, this resulted in AE experiencing two 
  forms of hellfirst the separation from God, and second being returned to 
  the state of a spirit being, without the ability to overcome that 
  deficit. Hence, they would remain in that eternal state of damnation 
  forever, if it were not for God's plan of 
  salvation. That plan of salvation was prepared 
  before the foundation of the world, and Jesus was chosen to implement 
  it. God prepared his Son to be a perfect sacrifice to atone for 
  AE's (and all of mankind's) transgressions. Not only that, but the 
  Son he foreordained to save us from our (specifically, AE's in this 
  instance) sins also was able to overcome physical death in a process we know 
  as the resurrection. Neither of these impediments to our progression 
  were things we could overcome on our own though. We had to have a Savior 
  do that for us. Due to his resurrection, all will be resurrected and 
  gain an immortal physical body. Due to his atonement, all will have the 
  opportunity to have their sins remitted and return to heaven IF they so desire 
  and are willing to be obedient to the Lord's commandments. That is why 
  it is through his grace that we are saved...nothing we could do on our own 
  could accomplish that salvation. Once Jesus fulfilled that mantle of 
  salvation (both physical and spiritual), the only thing standing between us 
  and God is ourselves. Effectively...We can either keep the 
  commandments, and return to the Lord in heaven, or we can eschew them and 
  suffer damnation (impedance) to our eternal 
  progression. I hope that answers your query, 
  Lance. If you want a slightly deeper (and different) view of the Fall, I 
  can post an interesting perspective of the Fall that was recently posted to an 
  LDS Forum.just let me know if that appeals to 
you.

Re: [TruthTalk] To Lance who is ever seeking the perfect person




i've noticed; yes, 
how it's all about you, too

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I Was Crazy Once
  by Brandon M. Dennis
  
  With iron prodders and pokey 
  things
  They scrape and mar and break and 
  bleed
  While the younglings lay in 
  dreams
  Of Lucifers fall and Adams 
  deed
  
  Down the hatch where leaves 
  fall
  I saw the coin of the smartest 
  side
  Where no one knows how big or 
  small
  The cuckoo grins at his feathery 
  ride
  
  Forever they swept the furthest 
  barrow
  And within found what he 
  foretold
  About Thors goats marrow
  The shimmering rays the sword-blade 
  hold
  
  I then went walking down the 
  ravine
  To examine every flying whim
  Whose scales are now better 
  seen
  In feathery flinching fighting 
  fin
  
  Beneath my skin I saw it crawl
  And make its trail and burrow 
  deep
  Forever to retain the call
  of laughter for your ears to 
  keep!
  
  And you who sit on 
earthy-blood
  Read the tree-flesh while you 
  chew
  on runes carved with inky mud.
  You think Im crazy, dont 
you?
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



myth [behind 
this statement it's jt herselfjudging 
(for)God]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:57:26 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  ..they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life 
  they exclude themselves from his 
  Promises.
  
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, your 
country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two 
weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your 
nation is becoming.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  The dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru 
  the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep 
  counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those 
  CA$H cows!
  No end in sight!
  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left behind 
  just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial 
  revolution.
  
  It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US
  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. 
  Nobody cried please we want NAFTA
  
  In spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the 
  STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your 
  skin.
  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your 
  jealous!
  
  What is so great about Canaduh?
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate 
the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, 
other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to 
highlite?

PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you 
say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy 
out or, is he just a jingoist?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
  More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
  
  With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for 
  "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."
  
  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 
  and many, many more to come).
  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has 
  always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Upset? 
No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans 
means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then 
ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, 
are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 
'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: 
"Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
Sent: December 10, 2005 
08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, 
X-mas We have been watching the news lately, 
plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the world 
we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad enough when 
all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and  home 
depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday 
 sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". 
Target stores went so far as to  run the Salvation army off it's 
property. No buckets or bell ringers  there anymore. 
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ 
should  be, but then you must remember that the reason these 
stores are there is  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. 
If they mentioned Christ mas,  it would only be lip 
service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of 
our own eye before we try to  remove the speck from their's. It 
seems that since Christmas falls on  Sunday this year, that many 
churches will not have services "So that  people can spend time 
with their families". That, to me, is s stupid.  Why not 
take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of 
Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me  more 
than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be 
 Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or 
nauseous over this? Is there  something here I don't see? Am I 
too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- 
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may 
 know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

I am enjoying the fruits of my labor and the Booming Knowledge Economy. Salaries are on the Increase and opportunity abounds! The view Of Niagara Fallsfrom my 19th Floor corner office aint bad either!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, your country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your nation is becoming.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masThe dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows! No end in sight! Those that want to be typewriter TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the
"Global economy" on the US Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin. You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?
PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in
the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming
Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your
speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know

Re: [TruthTalk] To Lance who is ever seeking the perfect person

We are poor. You are poorer too. But we are poorer. Guaranteed. Mostly because we are skipping calling in sick to work to bring you something vaguely similar to really good music journalizm. Just think of it as posting a tax-deductible comment, except your "words" are numbers.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've noticed; yes, how it's all about you, tooOn Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I Was Crazy
Once by Brandon M. DennisWith iron prodders and pokey things They scrape and mar and break and bleed While the younglings lay in dreams Of Lucifers fall and Adams deedDown the hatch where leaves fall I saw the coin of the smartest side Where no one knows how big or small The cuckoo grins at his feathery rideForever they swept the
furthest barrow And within found what he foretold About Thors goats marrow The shimmering rays the sword-blade holdI then went walking down the ravine To examine every flying whim Whose scales are now better seen In feathery flinching fighting finBeneath my skin I saw it crawl And make its trail and burrow deep Forever to retain the call of
laughter for your ears to keep!And you who sit on earthy-blood Read the tree-flesh while you chew on runes carved with inky mud. You think Im crazy, dont you?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: myth [behind this statement it's jt herselfjudging (for)God]On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:57:26 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..they judge themselves unworthy of eternal life they exclude themselves from his Promises. Yahoo! ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping

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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




I won't call you a LIAR, Kevin. It'd be 
inappropriate to address you as a LIAR. I have every confidence that you are 
known as a truth teller and not a LIAR.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 12:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  I am enjoying the fruits of my labor and the Booming Knowledge 
  Economy.
  Salaries are on the Increase and opportunity abounds!
  The view Of Niagara Fallsfrom my 19th Floor corner office aint bad 
  either!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, 
your country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, 
every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of 
that which your nation is becoming.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  The dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right 
  thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming 
  we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just 
  love those CA$H cows!
  No end in sight!
  Those that want to be typewriter  TV repairmen will be left 
  behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial 
  revolution.
  
  It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the 
  US
  Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. 
  Nobody cried please we want NAFTA
  
  In spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the 
  STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under 
  your skin.
  You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. 
  Your jealous!
  
  What is so great about Canaduh?
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to 
appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about 
the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend 
to highlite?

PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can 
you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this 
poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 
  08:48
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
  More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the 
gospel.
  
  With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation 
  for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."
  
  (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 
  2003 and many, many more to come).
  Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has 
  always been.Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Upset? 
No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More 
pagans means more people with whom to share/live the 
gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the 
aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million 
manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to 
come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
Sent: December 10, 2005 
08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, 
X-mas We have been watching the news lately, 
plus getting some stuff by e-mail,  and it seems that the 
world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is  bad 
enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target 
and  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start 
advertising "Holiday  sales". When you walk in the stores 
you are greeted by salespeople with  "Happy Holidays" or 
"Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to  run 
the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers 
 there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers 
and banners proclaiming Christ should  be, but then you must 
remember that the reason these stores are there is  not to 
proclaim Christ, but to

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo 
without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 12:57
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. 
  Don't know what we
  would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs 
  on us. We'd really
  be in trouble then ...
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A 
  CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to 
  share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note 
  of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones 
  suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  
  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  
  many,  many more to come).  - Original 
  Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas We have 
  been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail, 
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be 
  found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, 
  such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
  advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday  
   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  
  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". 
  Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   
  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners 
  proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must 
  remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not 
  to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ 
  mas,   it would only be lip service.   
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  
  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since 
  Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches 
  will not have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.  
   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? 
   The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
   love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother 
  (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there 
 something here I don't see? Am I too 
  critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  
  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
  salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every 
  man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
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  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

Blainerb: I actually saw and touched one
of the original Sunstones that were placed in the Nauvoo Temple in Nauvoo
Illinois. The state of Illinois had retained it for their museum.
Thanks for showing us what it looks like. It represents--symbolizes--the
highest degree of brightness and glory man may attain too in the
resurrection--which glory is likened unto the sun. It is in no way a
representation of what God actually looks like. (Read more
below)

In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:42:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

temple stone!
Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and
worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of
heaven, which I have not commanded

Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that
maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth
divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a
witch.

There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of
the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple,explained by President Harold B.
Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood
of God the lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee,
Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251

Blainerb: President Lee is referring to
the one star in the Big Dipper constellation called the North Star. Unlike
the other six stars, it remains constant as the earth turns on its axis every
twenty-four hours, and thus symbolizes Jesus Christ, who never deviates or
changes, but remains a constant source of enlightenment for those who seek his
counsel and who seek to emulate Him. We may, like the mariners of old who
kept their course steady by taking a fix on the North Star, find our spiritual
directions by taking a fix on Jesus Christ.

Blainerb: The above photo is of another
section of the outer wall of the original Nauvoo, Illinois, Temple. The
star symbolizes the lowest of the three degrees of glory man may attain to in
the resurrection. Since stars produce their own light, these are probably
those who stand in their own light and reject the greater light of Jesus
Christ.

The moon represents the middle degree of glory
man may be resurrected to. The glory of the moon is a reflection of the
light received from the sun, and so shall it be among the inhabitants of this
glory/Kingdom. That is, they will accept the greater light of Jesus
Christ, and will be among the honorable of the earth, but were not valiant in
their testimony of Jesus Christ. Kevin's nonsense below tells me he stands
in his own light. :)

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your
Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to
yourselves.

2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put
down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to
burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places
round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the
sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the
host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had
given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the
chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and
burned the chariots of the sun with fire.
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12
Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy,
and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and
the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the
heavens?
In the Book of Revelations, Christ is called
the "bright and Morning Star. This would be Venus, which because of its
being closer to the sun than the earth, sometimes follows the sun down as
the Evening Star, sometimes is hidden behind the sun, and sometimes precedes the
sun arising in the morning, so is called the Morning Star. This sequence
symbolizes the death (Evening Star), burial (star behind the sun) and
resurrection (Morning Star) of Jesus Christ. It is all symbolic.
ByTheWay, the Hopi Indians include part of this sequence in one of their
ceremonies--they have one of their priests wear a white robe and a fake beard,
and chant, "I am the bright and morning
star." (Book of the Hopi, p. 143, by Frank
Waters.)

Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar
days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23
December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion
that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark
world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the
Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 22)
Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a

lamb to the slaughter" (DC 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of
atonement" ( the day
of atonement on which joe was "martyed")The
Law of Moses actually required

Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:26:28 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Me again.JD
writes: You speak as if the Holy Sprit indwelling and the "..law written on
their hearts" are two different things. What exactly do you mean
when you, Judy Taylor, speak of the law written on your
heart? Memorization or what?

No JD,
it's too much for the old unregenerated
mind - the law is spiritual - When we are in Christ and indwelt by the Spirit of Christ we like the ppl in Romans 2:14,15 do by nature the thingsrequired by
God's Law.

You have not explained how your
version of legal inwardness is different from that of the OT opportunity for same.

OT people had noSpirit of
Christ indwelling them JD; they were to keep the Levitical Law along with
God's moral laws.

Secondly,you
misunderstand Romans , chapter 2 (you meant 2:14-,15 correct
?).The "Gentiles" in that passage are not regenerated
anything.

There is no way an unregenerated
person either OT or NT is able to fulfill God's
law "by nature" JD. Read about
their natures in Ephesians 2. Children of wrath.
Now tell me how you figure.
Makes no sense. You arein Calvin's mode -
OTOH
saying unregenerate man is by
nature totally depraved and the next minute claiming that
they can also"by nature" fulfill
God's law - something only Jesus
had accomplished pre
Calvary.

You only say that because your bias
orders you to do so.

If you want to call it that - OK
then.My scriptural bias compelsme to do
it.

Look at what you say
!! The "Gentile" (according to you) is anyone and everyone
who has the indwelling Holy
Spirit. He is one who has received the new nature and ,
therefore, does by nature the things of the Law.

Remember I did say the regenerated
gentile who is walking after the Spirit JD.
Don't leave anything
out.

So -- who is the Jew in
this passage? He is obviously not like the rest of
us. If the Gentile is the Holy Ghost inhabited disciple of
God - who is this Jew guy?

He is either a disciple of Christ
who is also indwelt by the Spirit of God - remember
in Christ there is no Jew, Greek,
bond, or free. All are one. Or he is a
legalistic
Judaiser who is still under bondage
to the sacrificial law.

And , if the Gentile is the one
withthe Holy Spirit, who does by nature the things of the Law
- how is it that he might be lost
("...conscience either
excusing or accusing .")?

That does not refer to saved/lost
JD. When a Christian's conscience excuses them
they go on their way
rejoicing. When accused by the conscience it is time to go
to
the throne of grace and do some
business with God. Time to repent.

And what of 2:12? The
"Gentile" in this passage, according to Judy, is the saved individual
(having the indwelling Holy
Spirit). He is judged by
onestandardand the
Jew (Christian?)
is judged by
another.

I didn't say anything of the kind
JD. The above is your construction and yours
alone
Please stop putting words in my
mouth. I can speak for myself, thank you.

It is so much easier to just accept
the text for what it says.

Yes, then you don't have to cut
anything out or try to manipulate any passages.

What ever it means, we do know that it cannot be the same
experienceas those under theMosaical Law. Is it the
Holy Spirit 's influence - but you make a difference
between the two. If this "law" has to do with various and
multiple commandments, how are they written on our hearts in a way
different from the Old Law? I honestly have no idea how you
might answer this question. I have no answer
and that is why I reject (up to this point in time) the notion that the "law
written on our hearts" is talking about law as opposed to the
rule of the Spirit. jd

Careful JD, if you reject everything in scripture that
you don't comprehend mentally then pretty soon you will have to throw out the whole
Book. jtI can't
reject what I don't comprehend, Judy. You are
such an avowed anti-intellectual that it is scary. And,
what is almost funny about your anti-intellectual stance is that you rely so
much on yourown brand of intellectualism. It is startling to me,
justhow little you use scripture to get from point A to
point B. "Discernment," my dear, is the single most
lacking quality you possess!!!

In OT days they did not have the Holy
Spirit indwelling them, nor did they have
God's Law written on their hearts. They lived
in a theocracy and Moses had to

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE





"Ready and Able?" Yeah, I heard about them two. 




In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:55:41 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They had 
  another brother called Ready[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make headlines 
like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one account. He 
was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better than 
Cain--until Able was"removed,"at 
least.  

In a message dated 12/8/2005 10:28:04 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  So Cain and Abel were children # 
  1 and #2. and when Cain 
  killed Able -- who was he afraid of -- I 
  mean, where did those people come from? I personally 
  believe that Adam and Eve were not the only people created. 
  But that is not a popular opinion.If we go with 
  the standard opin -- Cain was afraid of his own 
  people
  
  jd

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE






Blainerb: It sounds good and true to me. Why are you even 
asking a question like that?

In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:58:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Kevin: Are you willing to BET your Life on 
  this?
  
  
  They did not seem to be aware of their nakedness until 
  they ate the apple. Then they made fig leaf aprons to cover their 
  nakedness. Sounds like they were changed in some 
  mysterious way by eating the apple. I can see 
  it all now--Adam looks at Eve, and sees her for the first time 
  asbeing desirable. She feels uncomfortable, and asks, why are you 
  staring at me? He blushes--for the first time--and looks away. But 
  steals a glance now and then when she's not looking. :)
  Satanassured Eve she would not die by eating the fruit, which 
  indicates she was at that time immortal. Also, God told her if she ate 
  the good stuff on the tree, she would surely die--another evidence she was at 
  that time immortal. They were then kicked out of the garden, to prevent 
  them from eating the fruit of the tree of life, which would have apparently 
  restored their immortality. 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


In a message dated 12/8/2005 10:34:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Also, there is evidence that Adam and Eve were created just 
  like us -- which includes the fact that they were created 
  "mortal," hence, the The Tree of Life , in the 
  garden. 
  
  jd

Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??





In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Ugh! Will have to suffer witches and lions at 
  the FF places for a while. Did God say it was through
  secular allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by 
  the foolishness of preaching??

Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings?

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE





As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only source 
of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
Lost Books of the Bible, in which 
there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not accepted by 
those who made the final decisions of what should and what should not be 
included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must still be buried with 
stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter and verse. 

 In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes 
her as being very beautiful.
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Blaine do you read the Bible?
  It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why 
  not go back and refresh .[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  


  
  
  I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make headlines 
  like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one account. 
  He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better than 
  Cain--until Able was"removed,"at 
  least.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo





In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:54:32 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin 
  Deegan wrote: 
  

temple stone!I had kinda pictured God in my mind as having a little different 
  hair do. Are you certain this is 
Him?Terry

I think he didn't purse his lips quite that much. Maybe he's 
whistling a tune, or just saying, "Whew! These Protestants!!
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo





Blainerb: "These are they whose bodies are celestial, 
whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, 
whose glory the sun of the firmament is written of as being 
typical." 
DC 76:70


In a message dated 12/9/2005 7:01:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I thought the same thing - this looks like what we 
  used to call in Australia a golliwog. jt
  
  On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:53:46 -0600 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Kevin Deegan wrote: 

  
  temple stone!I had kinda pictured God in my mind as having a little 
different hair do. Are you certain this is Him?Terry
 
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] For DaveH





Depends on hownicely the leather fits. :)
Blainerb:

In a message dated 12/9/2005 7:11:36 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When a 
  woman wears leather clothing, . A man's heart beats quicker, his 
  throat gets dry, he goes weak in the knees, and he begins to think 
  irrationally. Ever wonder why? Because she smells like a new truck.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Christianity!It is just BAAL worship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: I actually saw and touched one of the original Sunstones that were placed in the Nauvoo Temple in Nauvoo Illinois. The state of Illinois had retained it for their museum. Thanks for showing us what it looks like. It represents--symbolizes--the highest degree of brightness and glory man may attain too in the resurrection--which glory is likened unto the sun. It is in no way a representation of what God actually looks like. (Read more below)
In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:42:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: temple stone! Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of
heaven, which I have not commanded Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of the Big Dipper on the Salt Lake Temple,explained by President Harold B. Lee "to represent the great truth that through the priesthood of God the lost may find their way." Harold B.Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251Blainerb: President Lee is referring to the one star in the Big Dipper constellation called the North Star. Unlike the other six stars, it remains constant as the earth turns on its axis every twenty-four hours, and
thus symbolizes Jesus Christ, who never deviates or changes, but remains a constant source of enlightenment for those who seek his counsel and who seek to emulate Him. We may, like the mariners of old who kept their course steady by taking a fix on the North Star, find our spiritual directions by taking a fix on Jesus Christ. Blainerb: The above photo is of another section of the outer wall of the original Nauvoo, Illinois, Temple. The star symbolizes the lowest of the three degrees of glory man may attain to in the resurrection. Since stars produce their own light, these are probably those who stand
in their own light and reject the greater light of Jesus Christ.The moon represents the middle degree of glory man may be resurrected to. The glory of the moon is a reflection of the light received from the sun, and so shall it be among the inhabitants of this glory/Kingdom. That is, they will accept the greater light of Jesus Christ, and will be among the honorable of the earth, but were not valiant in their testimony of Jesus Christ. Kevin's nonsense below tells me he stands in his own light. :)Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 2 Kings 23:5,11 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the chamber of Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12 Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and the Morning Star. Why this preoccupation with the heavens? In the Book of Revelations, Christ is called the "bright and Morning Star. This would be Venus, which because of its being closer to the sun than the earth, sometimes follows the sun down as the Evening Star, sometimes is hidden behind the sun, and sometimes precedes the sun arising in the morning, so is called the Morning Star. This sequence symbolizes the death (Evening Star), burial (star behind the sun) and resurrection (Morning Star) of Jesus Christ. It is all symbolic. ByTheWay, the Hopi
Indians include part of this sequence in one of their ceremonies--they have one of their priests wear a white robe and a fake beard, and chant, "I am the bright and morning star." (Book of the Hopi, p. 143, by Frank Waters.)Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar days, so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His birth on Monday, 23 December 1805 coincided with the Hebrew day marking the winter solstice, leading to the suggestion that it symbolized the return of the light of the gospel to a dark world.(Proctor, Scot Facer, Witness of the Light, Deseret Book Company, Salt Lake City, Utah, p.
22) Moreover, Thursday, 27 June 1844, the day on which the Prophet went "like a lamb to the slaughter" (DC 135:4), was one of four Hebrew "days of atonement" ( the day of atonement on which joe was "martyed")The Law of Moses actually required priests to sacrifice

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

I SELL this book. It's excellent!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New 
  Subject-AE

  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
  source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
  Lost Books of the Bible, in 
  which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not accepted 
  by those who made the final decisions of what should and what should not be 
  included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must still be buried with 
  stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter and verse. 

   In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes 
  her as being very beautiful.
  Blainerb

  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - 
why not go back and refresh 
.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one 
account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked 
Able better than Cain--until Able 
was"removed,"at least.

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

What in the world would I be Lying about?Do you have Any CLUE?? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I won't call you a LIAR, Kevin. It'd be inappropriate to address you as a LIAR. I have every confidence that you are known as a truth teller and not a LIAR.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 12:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masI am enjoying the fruits of my labor and the Booming Knowledge Economy. Salaries are on the Increase and opportunity abounds! The view Of Niagara Fallsfrom my 19th Floor corner office aint bad either!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, Kevin, may be a Third
Rate NOTHING, but, your country, at least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your nation is becoming.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masThe dot com search engine business has
been growing like crazy right thru the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows! No end in sight! Those that want to be typewriter TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin. You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUpset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance
Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants,
such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s
stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Because your ETERNAL DESTINY depends on it![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: It sounds good and true to me. Why are you even asking a question like that?In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:58:18 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Kevin: Are you willing to BET your Life on this? They did not seem to be aware of their nakedness until they ate the apple. Then they made fig leaf
aprons to cover their nakedness. Sounds like they were changed in some mysterious way by eating the apple. I can see it all now--Adam looks at Eve, and sees her for the first time asbeing desirable. She feels uncomfortable, and asks, why are you staring at me? He blushes--for the first time--and looks away. But steals a glance now and then when she's not looking. :) Satanassured Eve she would not die by eating the fruit, which indicates she was at that time immortal. Also, God told her if she ate the good stuff on the tree, she would surely die--another evidence she was at that time immortal. They were then kicked out of the garden, to prevent them from eating the fruit of the tree of life, which would have apparently restored their immortality. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/8/2005 10:34:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Also, there is evidence that Adam and Eve were created just like us -- which includes the fact that they were created "mortal," hence, the The Tree of Life , in the garden. jd

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DAVEH: Thanx Blaine. However, I am curious whether or not you
disagree on any of the details, or if you would add anything to it?
(And I am aware that there is much that could be added, however for the
purposes of explaining the basic outline to Lance, I didn't think it
would serve any purpose to get sidetracked on too many details.)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Nice explication, Dave--I should have it printed off and give it
out next time I teach a SS class--
  Blainerb
  
  
  In a message dated 12/9/2005 12:35:10 A.M. Mountain Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  DAVEH: Sorry to take so long getting back to you on this,
Lance. While I can give you a longer version than before, I certainly
can't give you all the details, as I have neither the time (I do need
some sleep!) nor the knowledge. But...

 As you must know, I believe God created us spiritually prior to the
creation of the world. IOWwe were spirit beings in a pre-mortal
existence. It is my belief that God the Father consists of a spirit
housed in a physical body. He created us as spirit beings, with the
intent that we could (if we desire and are obedient) become not only
one with him, but also perfect (complete, as Perry would suggest) as he
is perfect.

 That basic process is known by LDS folks as eternal progressioneffectively
progressing from a created spirit being to one who is like God. As has
been often quoted, one LDS authority said...

As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.

.which is a catchy phrase that tends to excite many Christians,
yet it implies the thinking of many LDS folks who believe we have the
potential to become like GodIFF we so desire to fulfill our
potential to become one with the Lord by being obedient to him. Those
who do so, bring glory to the Lord. Those who don't will suffer
damnation (hell) to some extent, by impeding their eternal progression.

 In order that the spirit beings in the pre-mortal existence can
progress to the point of gaining a glorified resurrected body of flesh
and bone, as the Savior now has, it was necessary for us to be born
into a world created perfectly, so to speak. Adam and Eve were created
as immortals, and as such were incapable of death. Not only that, but
they were incapable of understanding the difference between good and
evilthey were innocent. Yes, they were pure and undefiled, but yet
they were also naive in their innocence.quite unlike God who knows
the difference between good and evil.

 By placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden,
and then commanding them not to eat of that tree, explaining that they
would die IF they partook of the forbidden fruit, God made it possible
for them to not only gain the knowledge needed to become like him, but
he also provided a way they could shed their bodies of flesh and
bloodby dying, which separates the spirit from the body.

 In partaking of the forbidden fruit, not only did AE subject
themselves to the possibility of physical death (which we define as the
separation of the spirit from the physical body), but they also were
separated from God.which we define as spiritual death. In
essence, this resulted in AE experiencing two forms of
hellfirst the separation from God, and second being returned to the
state of a spirit being, without the ability to overcome that deficit.
Hence, they would remain in that eternal state of damnation forever, if
it were not for God's plan of salvation.

 That plan of salvation was prepared before the foundation of the
world, and Jesus was chosen to implement it. God prepared his Son to
be a perfect sacrifice to atone for AE's (and all of
mankind's) transgressions. Not only that, but the Son he foreordained
to save us from our (specifically, AE's in this instance) sins
also was able to overcome physical death in a process we know as the
resurrection. Neither of these impediments to our progression were
things we could overcome on our own though. We had to have a Savior do
that for us. Due to his resurrection, all will be resurrected and gain
an immortal physical body. Due to his atonement, all will have the
opportunity to have their sins remitted and return to heaven IF they so
desire and are willing to be obedient to the Lord's commandments. That
is why it is through his grace that we are saved...nothing we could
do on our own could accomplish that salvation. Once Jesus fulfilled
that mantle of salvation (both physical and spiritual), the only thing
standing between us and God is ourselves. Effectively...We can
either keep the commandments, and return to the Lord in heaven, or we
can eschew them and suffer damnation (impedance) to our eternal
progression.

 I hope that answers your query, Lance. If you want a slightly
deeper (and different) view of the Fall, I can post an interesting
perspective of the Fall that was recently posted to an LDS
Forum.just let me

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

Iheard that there was abook explaining how the earth is the center of the UniverseIt probably has as much truth as your book.  If I give you chapter  verse out of this book? so what!Are Anton Laveys books good for your "spiritual Enlightenment"?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what should not be included in the holy
 writ. I tried to find it--must still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter and verse.In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes her as being very beautiful.  Blainerb  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Blaine do you read the Bible?  It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back and refresh .[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better than Cain--until Able was"removed,"at least.
	
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RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??









Jesus used the secular allegory of His
day; called parables. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??









In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Ugh! Will have
to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it
was through





secular
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching??









Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS
Lewis and his writings?

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









You are in deep doodoo, he
cries while standing up to his neck in it. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without
anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
12:57





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
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 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
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judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE




I have it and have yet to figure out what it is 
excellent for  I'd put it on the same level as "Dead Sea 
Scrolls"
and "Dead Sea Scroll Bibles"

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New 
Subject-AE


As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
Lost Books of the Bible, in 
which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not 
accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what 
should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must 
still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you 
chapter and verse. 
 In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and 
describes her as being very beautiful.
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Blaine do you read the Bible?
  It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - 
  why not go back and refresh 
  .[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


  
  
  I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
  headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one 
  account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked 
  Able better than Cain--until Able 
  was"removed,"at least.  
  


   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

Church leaders called upon one of its great intellects to make sure the temple was astrologically aligned: "In 1878, a plan of the Temples exterior walls was purposely drafted to plot the exact location of each of the fifty moon-stones according to lunar phase, month and year. This was determined by observations made that year in anticipation of the next seasons building program when the moon-stones were to be laid. The individual most capable of such an observation was Orson PrattIn 1869, an astronomical observatory of wood and adobe was constructed specifically for him on the southeast corner of the Temple Block" Hamilton and Cuturbus, pp. 142,143.
Salt Lake temple: All-seeing-eye an eye in a triangle surrounded by rays of light like an Egyptian symbol of Herupaar-Kraat, the Widget Eye. Heru was the hawk-headed lord of Satanic power. Masonic handshakes. Suns symbols of the ancient sungod, Baal, the archrival of the true Biblical god, Yahweh (I Kings 18 and elsewhere). Moon phases symbols of the witch goddess, Diana or Artemis, the queen of heaven. The dark phases of the Moon are for black magick, the full phases of the Moon for white magick. Upright pentagrams (5-pointed star) the universal symbol of witchcraft and the goddess. Its richness in meaning is far too lengthy to detail here. Suffice it to say that there is no single symbol more associated with magick. Big Dipper
constellation (Ursa Major) all constellations have magickal significance. This one was sacred to the ancient Egyptian worship of Set (the Egyptian god of evil) and was used by Sets votaries to determine the dime of his ascendancy. Inverted pentagrams (single point down) universally regarded as an evil symbol, many witches will not use it because it is used to call down the power of Satan! (Also found on the Logan temple Nauvoo.) Eleven large inverted pentagrams decorated the Nauvoo Temple. Hexagram (6 pointed star within a circle), though sometimes associated with Judaism, this star when within a circle is the symbol of the anti-Christ. It has 6 points, 6 angles, and an interior polygon of 6 sides hence the perfect symbol of 666. all over the Assembly Hall. And it exists in a stronger form on the Logan temple: inverted, with two points up. Do you approve of Satanic Symbols
on your Temples? Church History Musuem S L Temple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blainerb: "These are they whose bodies are celestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, whose glory the sun of the firmament is written of as being typical." DC 76:70 In a message dated 12/9/2005 7:01:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I thought the same thing - this looks like what we used to call in Australia a golliwog. jtOn Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:53:46 -0600 Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Kevin Deegan wrote: temple stone!I had kinda pictured God in my mind as having a
little different hair do. Are you certain this is Him?Terry judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas






If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be 
weeping between the porch and the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - 
Canada will be left standing??




  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in 
  deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put 
  it.
  
  
  
  From: Judy 
  Taylor 
  



Sure glad you are keeping up with 
our economy Lance. Don't know what we

would do if we didn't have the 
Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
really

be in trouble then 
...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a 
secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means 
more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then 
ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned 
stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 
million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many 
more to come).  - Original Message -  
From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
seasons greetings, X-mas We have 
been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be 
found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, 
such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in 
the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy 
Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far 
as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No 
buckets or bell  ringers   there anymore.  
This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ 
should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these 
stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to 
make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it 
would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need 
to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   
remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  
falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have 
services "So  that   people can spend time with their 
families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why 
not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  
The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
 love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother 
(Family), you cannot  be   Mine.  
 Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there 
   something here I don't see? Am I too 
critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  
--  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every 
man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
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judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??




Why do you call them "the secular allegory of His day?" 
Iz
Wasn't He born under the Law into a 
theocracy? 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Jesus used the 
  secular allegory of His day; called parables. iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable 
  to Elvis??
  
  
  
  In a message dated 
  12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

Ugh! Will 
have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God 
say it was through

secular 
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of 
preaching??
  
  Blainerb: Are 
  we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? 
  
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store 
one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised 
to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other 
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of 
the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be 
  weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - 
  Canada will be left standing??
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are 
in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you 
put it.



From: Judy 
Taylor 

  
  
  
  Sure glad you are keeping up with 
  our economy Lance. Don't know what we
  
  
  would do if we didn't have the 
  Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in trouble then 
  ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a 
  secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans 
  means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  
  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  
  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the 
  aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the 
  USA! (3 million manufacturing 
  jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to 
  come).  - Original Message -  From: 
  "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas We 
  have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  
  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no 
  longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the 
  big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  
  "Holiday   sales". When 
  you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with 
"Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores 
  went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's 
  property. No buckets or bell  ringers   there 
  anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners 
  proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must 
  remember that the reason these stores are  there is   
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
   Christ mas,   it would only be lip service. 
Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye 
  before we  try to   remove the speck from 
  their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on  
   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So 
   that   people can spend time with their 
  families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why 
  not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
   love me   more than mother or father, sister or 
  brother (Family), you cannot  be   Mine. 
Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over 
  this? Is theresomething here I don't 
  see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  
  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with 
  grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how 
  you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send 
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  and he will be subscribed. 
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  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
 
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)

[TruthTalk] CSL article









Christians battle over 'Narnia'

Conservative and liberal theologians
try to lay claim to author C.S. Lewis's towering legacy as a Christian thinker.

By G. Jeffrey MacDonald | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor 

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legacy of one of the 20th century's most influential religious figures is
suddenly up for grabs, thanks to a new family film intended to make millions at
the box office. 

That's because Walt Disney's The
Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, set for
release nationwide Friday, has helped fuel fresh interest in the beliefs of its
late creator, C.S. Lewis. Though perhaps best known for his entertaining
children's books, Lewis has attained a following among millions of Christians
drawn to explore - and debate - what he believed to lie at the heart of
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In one
camp are evangelicals, whose churches regularly use Lewis's book Mere
Christianity to introduce newcomers to orthodox understandings of Jesus
Christ. The evangelical magazine Christianity Today goes so far as to call this
work the best religious book of the 20th century.

He still gives one of the best
rational defenses of the Christian faith, says David L. Neuhouser,
director of the Center for the Study of C.S. Lewis and Friends at Taylor
University, an evangelical school in Upland, Ind. His view of biblical
truth in particular might not be where fundamentalists would like him to be,
but in the important things [such as doctrinal claims], I think he is one with
evangelicals Evangelicals do claim him, certainly.

Others, however, insist that Lewis cared
chiefly about bringing the worldwide Christian family together. Since he helped
advance a vibrant ecumenical movement in his day, he must not be reduced to a
sectarian champion posthumously, according to the Rev. Dr. Clair McPherson,
associate priest at the Church of the Transfiguration, an Episcopal
congregation in lower Manhattan.

Lewis makes it very clear ... that
his purpose is not to be biased toward any denominational point of view or even
any theological point of view within Christianity, says Reverend
McPherson, who's been leading about 50 adults this fall in a four-week study of
Lewis's The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. I would never
say to evangelicals, 'you can't have him.' I would say, 'he belongs to all of
us.' 

Laying claim to Lewis's legacy is
serious business in the diverse world of 21st century Christianity. That's
because 42 years after his death, this Irish-born Oxford
 University instructor
still sells books like hotcakes: Mere Christianity alone has sold
almost 1 million copies since January 2001.

Through a corpus that includes more than
30 books, Lewis explains and popularizes a faith that now nurses painful
fractures along political as well as theological lines. Whichever of the
competing strains can lay claim to his legacy stands to enjoy the fruits of
association with a widely loved giant of Christian faith.

In this milieu, left-leaning Christians
are refusing to let Lewis fossilize as an archetype of modern-day
evangelicalism.

Adherents to a sectarian style in
confrontational evangelical circles could learn a lot from Lewis, says
Stephen G. Post, a bioethicist at Case
Western Reserve University
in Cleveland.
I think what I do is more in tune with his tonality and content
when turning to science, Islam, and elsewhere for guidance on unforeseen moral
dilemmas.

Such an eclectic method would please
Lewis, he says, because it reflects the author's commitment to reason and
humility rather than hubris.

As a writer, Lewis defies easy
categorization, as his books span genres ranging from his academic discipline
of medieval literature to Christian apologetics, science fiction, and fantasy.
As a Christian, he called Anglicanism his denominational home, yet he continues
to inspire devotion to other branches of Christianity.

David Tiede Hottinger of Greenville, S.C., for
instance, renounced the

RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??









I use the word secular to denote everyday
stuff vs. religious stuff. 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:43 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??







Why do you call them the secular
allegory of His day? Iz





Wasn't He born under the Law into a
theocracy? 











On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Jesus used the secular allegory of His
day; called parables. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??









In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Ugh! Will have
to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it
was through





secular
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching??









Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS
Lewis and his writings? 













judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









Yeah, and your mother wears combat
boots!!! J 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:46 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







Allow me to raise the level of this conversationO
yaa!







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:36





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









You are in deep doodoo, he
cries while standing up to his neck in it. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:03 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without
anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
12:57





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas











Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email 
 to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
  
 
 
 --
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 may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
 http://www.InnGlory.org
 
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judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









I am certainly thankful that Canada serves as such a good buffer between America and the
North Pole. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:50 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of
the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



















If you really believe what you write
here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??

















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











From: Judy Taylor














Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we 





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me, is
s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email 
 to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and you will be unsubscribed. If you 
 have a 
  friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and he will be subscribed.
  
 
 
 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
 http://www.InnGlory.org
 
 If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)















judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




Not only is he well but, he asked for me to pass 
greetings along to you by name, Kevin. He knew of your affinity for the big 
'M'

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 14:53
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  A prophet visited our store one week ago
  
  How is joe doing?
  
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our 
store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be 
surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT 
JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know 
nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
  
  
  
  If you really believe what you write here Lance then 
  you need to be weeping between the porch and the
  altar for us down here. Do you really think that if 
  the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??
  
  
  
  


From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You 
are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', 
as you put it.



From: Judy 
Taylor 

  
  
  
  Sure glad you are keeping up 
  with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 
  
  
  would do if we 
  didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
  really
  
  be in trouble 
  then ...
  
  
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance 
  Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is 
  a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  
  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. 
   What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout 
  China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the 
  mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in 
  the USA! (3 million 
  manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many 
  more to come).  - Original Message - 
   From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
  holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
We have been watching the news lately, plus getting 
  some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the 
  world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is  
   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
   Target and   home depot stop advertising 
  Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you 
  walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with 
"Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target 
  stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers  
   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers 
  and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but 
  then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there 
  is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If 
  they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip 
  service.   Besides that, we need to get the 
  beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove 
  the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  
  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not 
  have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid. 
Why not take the family to church? What am I 
  missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my 
  mind. "If you do not  love me   more than 
  mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be 
Mine.   Do the rest of you get 
  worked up or nauseous over this? Is there
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your 
  thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let 
  your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  
  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." 
  (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org 
If you do not want to receive posts from this list, 
  send an email  to

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




What kind of prophets go about giving political 
statements? I understood the
spiritual giftings to be of the edification and 
building up of the body of Christ. Are you
sure he isn't a fortune teller? Actually I am not 
a "yank" by birth and I lived in Canada
for a number of years, long enough to know that there 
are problems. True most Americans
don't know a whole lot about Canada - blame that on the 
liberal media here.

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store 
  one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly 
  that. You may be surprised to know just how 
  dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the 
  other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently 
  insular to know nothing of the rest of the world 
  (including their neighbour)
  
  
  From: Judy Taylor 
  
If you really believe what you 
write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and 
the
altar for us down here. Do you really think that if the 
US goes down - Canada will be left standing??




  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are 
  in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you 
  put it.
  
  
  
  From: Judy 
  Taylor 
  



Sure glad you are keeping up 
with our economy Lance. Don't know what we 


would do if we 
didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd 
really

be in trouble then 
...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a 
secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans 
means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  
What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the 
aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the 
USA! (3 million manufacturing 
jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to 
come).  - Original Message -  
From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy 
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas   
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting 
some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world 
we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad 
enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  
Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and 
start advertising  "Holiday 
  sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted 
by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons 
greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   
run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers   there anymore.  This sounds 
like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these 
stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but 
to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,  
 it would only be lip service.   Besides 
that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try 
to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that 
since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that 
many churches will not have services "So  that   
people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s 
 stupid.   Why not take the family to church? 
What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running 
through my mind. "If you do not  love me   
more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be   Mine.   Do the rest of 
you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there  
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? 
Your thoughts?  Terry  --  
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[TruthTalk] movie review from WND















Absolutely
thrilling!











Posted: December 9, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

2005WorldNetDaily.com 

Almost 100 million people
have read The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe, in a publishing
universe where most books sell less than 10,000 copies, according to the
publishers. The book is credited with leading many people to know Jesus Christ
and is a favorite among Christians, although many readers have said that they
have missed the book's clear Christological allusions. 

The great news is that the Disney movie, produced in
conjunction with Walden Media, is not only very entertaining, but clearly
retains the deeper truth and essence of C.S. Lewis's great novel, the first in
his great seven-part Chronicles Of Narnia fantasy series. 

In this regard, C.S. Lewis wanted the story to get past the
watchful dragons of young minds trained by an increasingly secular
British culture to help the readers understand the good news of Jesus Christ.
He revealed his method in his March 1961 letter to a young girl named Anne: 

I think you will probably see
that there is a deeper meaning behind it. The whole Narnian story is about
Christ. That is to say, I asked myself Supposing that there really was a
world like Narnia and supposing it had (like our world) gone wrong, and
supposing Christ wanted to go into that world and save it (as He did ours) what
might have happened? The stories are my answers. 

Since Narnia is a world of
Talking Beasts, I thought He would become a Talking Beast there, as He became a
man here. I pictured Him becoming a lion there because (a) the lion is supposed
to be the king of beasts; (b) Christ is called 'The Lion of Judah' in the
Bible; (c) I'd been having strange dreams about lions when I began writing the
work. The whole series works out like this. 

The Magician's Nephew
tells the Creation and how evil entered Narnia. 

The Lion etc. the
Crucifixion and Resurrection. 

Prince Caspian
restoration of the true religion after corruption. 

The Horse and His Boy
the calling and conversion of a heathen. 

The Voyage of the Dawn
Treader the spiritual life (especially in Reepicheep). 

The Silver Chair the
continuing war with the powers of darkness. 

The Last Battle the coming of the antichrist
(the ape) the end of the world and the Last Judgement. 

 Source: Bluspels and Flalansferes: A Semantic
Nightmare, in Selected Literary Essays, Walter Hooper, London: Cambridge
 University Press, 1969,
426. 

Very, very few people will see the slight divergences that the
movie takes from the novel. And, even fewer will see the few very subtle
theological shifts in the new movie. So the great news is that the movie works
well and is a great tool for the church to help people understand the truth of
the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

The movie itself starts slightly before the book with an air
raid in London
that puts the four Pevensie children  Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy
 in jeopardy. The children are sent out of the city to stay with
Professor Kirke in the countryside for protection. 

During a game of Hide and Seek, Lucy stumbles on an old
wardrobe. The wardrobe leads her to Narnia, a world with talking animals and
mythical creatures. There, she meets a faun, who thinks better of kidnapping
her and puts his life in jeopardy by letting her return to the world of men. 

The evil White Witch has taken control of the land, turning it
into a state of forever winter but never Christmas. A prophecy says that four
sons and daughters of Adam and Eve will be brought to Narnia to assist Aslan,
the son of the Emperor-Beyond-the-Sea, free Narnia from the White Witch. To
thwart the prophecy, the White Witch has told the creatures of Narnia that, if
they see a son or daughter of Adam and Eve, they should kidnap them and bring
them to her. 

When Lucy returns to the world of human beings, her brothers
Edmund and Peter and her sister Susan do not believe she was in Narnia. Lucy
goes to Narnia through the wardrobe a second time. Edmund follows her and
becomes a pawn of the White Witch. 

Like Satan, the White Witch offers Edmund something that he
already has, the authority to rule Narnia, and traps him with a counterfeit
sacrament of Turkish Delight, a jelly confection dusted with sugar. Edmund's
sisters and brother must find Aslan to try to set him free. Aslan tells the
White Witch that he will die to pay the penalty for Edmund's treachery, but not
that his resurrection will once and for all break her control over Narnia. 

The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe is very
exciting. The excitement is heightened by a compelling sense of Providence leading the
children into Narnia and the foreshadowing of the prophetic expectations. 

The production quality is much greater than the sum of its
parts. The camerawork is superb. The computer-generated images are enchanting.
Aslan comes to life in a magnificent way (he is a real lion!) as do all the
creatures of Narnia. The four children are very good, especially Lucy, and

Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??




I don't see His parables as every day stuff - 
especially not when he told His disciples that
he spoke in parables so that some would not see - 
rather than to make it easy for the regular
run of the mill person out there (see Matt 
13:34-43)

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I use the word 
  secular to denote everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Judy 
  Taylor
  
  Why do you call them "the secular 
  allegory of His day?" Iz
  
  Wasn't He born under the Law into a 
  theocracy? 
  
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:37:29 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Jesus used the 
secular allegory of His day; called parables. 
iz





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:26 
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable 
to Elvis??



In a message dated 
12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Ugh! 
  Will have to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. 
  Did God say it was through
  
  secular 
  allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of 
  preaching??

Blainerb: 
Are we alluding to CS Lewis and his writings? 



   
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas









Its provides such good insulation!
(Doesnt that make Canadians
insular?) 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
2:00 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





I am certainly thankful that Canada serves as such a good buffer between America
and the North Pole. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
1:50 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy
holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas







I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week
ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know
just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other
way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of
the world (including their neighbour)











- Original Message - 







From: Judy Taylor






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: December 10, 2005
14:41





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



















If you really believe what you write
here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and the





altar for us down here. Do you really
think that if the US goes
down - Canada
will be left standing??

















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including
Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.











From: Judy Taylor














Sure glad you are keeping up with our
economy Lance. Don't know what we 





would do if we didn't have the Canadians
keeping tabs on us. We'd really





be in trouble then ...

















On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Upset? No! Why? USA
is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! 
 More 
 pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.
 
 What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. 
 They, 
 Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. 
 No more 
 'made in the USA!
(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and 
 many, 
 many more to come).
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20
 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas
 
 
 
  We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by 
 e-mail, 
  and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. 
 It is 
  bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, 
 Target and 
  home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising 
 Holiday 
  sales. When you walk in the stores you are greeted by 
 salespeople with 
  Happy Holidays or Seasons greetings.
Target stores went so 
 far as to 
  run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell 
 ringers 
  there anymore.
  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming 
 Christ should 
  be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are 
 there is 
  not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned 
 Christ mas, 
  it would only be lip service.
 
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we 
 try to 
  remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas 
 falls on 
  Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services So 
 that 
  people can spend time with their families. That, to me,
is s 
 stupid. 
  Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?
  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. If you
do not 
 love me 
  more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot 
 be 
  Mine.
 
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is
there 
 
  something here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your
thoughts?
  Terry
  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that 
 you may 
  know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) 
  http://www.InnGlory.org
 
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He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


:-)-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:45:48 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





Allow me to raise the level of this conversationO yaa!

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: December 10, 2005 14:36
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


"You are in deep doodoo," he cries while standing up to his neck in it. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:03 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas


No you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.



- Original Message - 


From: Judy Taylor 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 10, 2005 12:57

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas



Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what we

would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd really

be in trouble then ...





On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  many,  many more to come).  - Original Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail,   and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ mas,   it would only be lip service.   Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So  that   people can spend time with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here?  The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not  love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts?  Terry  --  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email  to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you  may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  http://www.InnGlory.org  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you  have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.  





 judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton





Lance Muir wrote:

  
  

  
  Allow me to raise the level of this
conversationO yaa!

ROFL
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?Some Recent news headlines: Stanford earns $336M off Google stock Google stock tops $400, worth $117 billion Will Google's Stock Pass $500? Some things to which you KNOW nothing about Looks like Business is GOODhttp://www.nielsen-netratings.com/pr/pr_050721.pdfDOUBLE-DIGIT GROWTH IN SEARCH SEEN BY AOL AND ASK JEEVES FROM Q1 TO Q2 2005, WHILE TOP SEARCH PLAYERS GOOGLE AND YAHOO! MAINTAIN CONSISTENT GROWTH, ACCORDING TO NIELSEN//NETRATINGSDomain Name sales buy for $5 sell for? Payment Data closes on sale of bills.com domain name Payment Data Systems Inc. completed its previously announced sale of its bills.com domain name and trademark to Freedom Financial Network LLC. The local company received $950,000 in connection with the sale. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5467584/Domain name sells for $2.75 million CreditCards.com deal sparks talk of new gold rushhttp://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/Domain-Name-Business-Booming-in-Post-Dot-Com-Era-129003WWAIE9.xhtml Domain Name Business Booming in Post-Dot-Com Erahttp://internetweek.cmp.com/173402848 Online Travel Market Shows Strong Growth The market is expected to reach $68 billion by the end of the year, up from $57 billion last yearOF COURSE you have heard of the BOOM in CONTEXTUAL, Right? http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-contextual-advertising.htmSo we won't even go into PPC or Sponsored links!http://www.outsourcingpipeline.com/172301874 Data Boom Puts Database Careers On Growth Trajectory Demand for database administrators is expected to continue. Labor Statistics projects a 66% growth in jobs through 2010 (Typewriter sales are down)How did you get that TYPEWRITER to work ONLINE anyhow?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You, Kevin, may be a Third Rate NOTHING, but, your country, at
least for now, is not. I visit Windsor, a border city, every two weeks. I refust to visit Detroit. It is reflective of so much of that which your nation is becoming.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 11:59 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masThe dot com search engine business has been growing like crazy right thru
the so called dot com bust. I can't keep up. The servers keep humming we keep counting up our good old AMEICAN DOLLAR$ the servers collect! Just love those CA$H cows! No end in sight! Those that want to be typewriter TV repairmen will be left behind just like the Cobblers andBlacksmiths during the Industrial revolution.It was the Politicians that forced the "Global economy" on the US Nobody voted for NAFTA or shipping jobs overseas. Nobody cried please we want NAFTAIn spite of the Hemorage in manufacturing jobs we still have the STRONGEST Economy in the World, and I think that is what has gotten under your skin. You want the US to bea Third Rate NOTHING like your country. Your jealous!What is so great about Canaduh?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Ya know Kevin, one can never fail to appreciate the thoughtfulness that goes into your responses. What about the US economy, other than the overpriced stock market, would you tend to highlite?PS:I've got few illusions about Canada. Can you say the same concerning your country? Does anyone want to help this poor boy out or, is he just a jingoist?- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masUpset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.With that reasoning we should all move to the most Pagan nation for "more people with whom to share/live the gospel."(3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). Pretty soon the USA will be a Third Rate nation like Canada has always been.Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel.What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come).- Original Message - From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such
as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine Autumn equinox





DAVEH: Welcome back, Dean! Despite your anti-Mormon bias, I am glad
you have returnedeven if only temporarily

Dean Moore wrote:

  
  
  \Your author is nothing more than a cheap put-down artist
bent on making Joseph Smith the true prophet look bad.
  
   cd:True
prophet? What makes him true? If one speaks wrongly can that one
still hold the title of true Prophet-or is he just another hell
boundunrepenting Mormon lusting after other women? Your actions of
late also remove you own credibility as a man of God-and show us how
Mormons really are-Yes a credit to your church.
  


  


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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE





YES I'd like for you to post the 'newer'
material

DAVEH: I'm not fond of borrowing material from another forum to post
in its entirety, but I find Court Watch's comments from another forum
in which I lurk to be interesting to ponder, Lance 

++
++
++
++
Court Watch wrote:

Subject:
[Grace-to-you] To Sandra: This One's For You!

If I understand it correctly,
the Protestant view of what we call the "Fall" in the Garden of Eden
need not have occurred. It was possible for Adam and Eve to always
obey God and, if they had done so, the human race could havecontinued
in a state of primal innocence. For the sake of argument, let's
suppose that the first couple had remained obedient and sinless. All
of their offspring would be born in the same condition, but each of
them would alsothen face the choice of whether to obey God or not.
(Presumably, Satan could have been very creative in thinking up various
ways to put them to the test.)

The odds are overwhelming that at least some
of these offspring would fall into sin, although others might not. The
sinfulones would then pass this fallen condition onto their children,
who would become the inheritors of their parents' "original" sin and
guilt. These people would stand in need of the redemption and
atonement for sin later offered by Christ, and might become inclined to
do all sorts of wicked things. 
But the ones descended from sinless parents,
who also did not sin themselves, would not. They would have no need of
salvation as long as they remained perfectly virtuous. 

If this could happen at all, I don't see why
it couldn't go on indefinitely. The human race would then have two
basic lines of development, but what a curious situation this would
be. It's a safe bet that the twogroups would be in constant conflict
with each other. When it finally came, the gospel message to the
sinful group would be: "You need to repent and be saved." The message
to the sinlessly perfectgroup would be: "Don't worry, you're fine just
the way you are."

Now, it's safe to assume that the sinful
group might come tooutnumber the sinless group, if only by virtue of
their ability to procreate more naturallysinful people. On the other
hand, the sinless folks would go on living forever on earth since they
would not be subject to physical death. That sounds nice at first, but
at least some of the sinful people would probably repent and be saved,
so that whiletheir death was inevitable, so too was the possibility
that they would go to heavenly glory upon dying. 

Who would then be better off--the perfect
people or the saved sinners? Which is better, a permanent existence on
earth, or eternity in a heavenly state? Once word got out that
forgiven sinners could go to a higher plane of existence and remain
there forever, wouldn'tthe perfect people be inclined to say:"This
business of obeying God isall very well and good, but I think I'd be
better off if I sinned and then repented of it so I can go to heaven
instead!"

If that all sounds far fetched, that's only
because it is--butthen, so is much of what passes for "Christian"
theology about original sin. In light of the above considerations, why
is the LDS view of a "necessary" Fall (and one that didn't take God by
surprise) so outrageous? God knew exactly what would happen with
Adam
and Eve, andit was just what he had in mind all along. And if that's
not the case, then you are required to believe things that are much
more absurd than the "some sinless and some sinful" scenario described
above. 

Things like:

Unbaptized infants spend eternity in hell.
St. Augustine certainly believed it, and he's the hero of Catholics and
Calvinists alike. After all, if original sin and guilt are inherited,
why should babies get a free pass? And if we think they're innocent,
maybe that's only because we're guilty ourselves. God's justice is
infinite, and so is his wrath. If the tykes haven't been "born again"
they're out of luck.

Some people have been predestined to be
saved, while others have been predestined by God to spend eternity in
hell, and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it.
Whynot? Because God is sovereign and that's the way he wants it.
Case closed. If you're smart, you'll at least pretend to be sure that
you're predestined to be one of the saved--and hope you're right.
(Hint: vilifying Mormons is regarded as a sure sign that you're saved,
so do it as often as possible.)

The vast majority of the human race will
spend eternity in hell anyway, because they never made a decision for
Christ.
This includes all those who have never even heard of Christ, from 33
A.
D. right up to the present. They also haven't been "born again" and
they never will be. If that sounds harsh, just remember that it isn't
God's fault that it took 20 centuries to invent television and
theBenny Hinn Show. Those who have access to a TV set now at least
have half a chance, but the rest are stillhopelessly

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject--AE

2005-12-10 Thread Terry Clifton





Just more speculation/ human logic.
==

Dave Hansen wrote:

  
  YES I'd like for you to post the
'newer'
material
  
DAVEH: I'm not fond of borrowing material from another forum to post
in its entirety, but I find Court Watch's comments from another forum
in which I lurk to be interesting to ponder, Lance 
  
++
++
++
++
Court Watch wrote:
  
  Subject:
[Grace-to-you] To Sandra: This One's For You!
  
  If I understand it
correctly,
the Protestant view of what we call the "Fall" in the Garden of Eden
need not have occurred. It was possible for Adam and Eve to always
obey God and, if they had done so, the human race could havecontinued
in a state of primal innocence. For the sake of argument, let's
suppose that the first couple had remained obedient and sinless. All
of their offspring would be born in the same condition, but each of
them would alsothen face the choice of whether to obey God or not.
(Presumably, Satan could have been very creative in thinking up various
ways to put them to the test.)
  
  The odds are overwhelming that at least
some
of these offspring would fall into sin, although others might not. The
sinfulones would then pass this fallen condition onto their children,
who would become the inheritors of their parents' "original" sin and
guilt. These people would stand in need of the redemption and
atonement for sin later offered by Christ, and might become inclined to
do all sorts of wicked things. 
  But the ones descended from sinless
parents,
who also did not sin themselves, would not. They would have no need of
salvation as long as they remained perfectly virtuous. 
  
  If this could happen at all, I don't see
why
it couldn't go on indefinitely. The human race would then have two
basic lines of development, but what a curious situation this would
be. It's a safe bet that the twogroups would be in constant conflict
with each other. When it finally came, the gospel message to the
sinful group would be: "You need to repent and be saved." The message
to the sinlessly perfectgroup would be: "Don't worry, you're fine just
the way you are."
  
  Now, it's safe to assume that the sinful
group might come tooutnumber the sinless group, if only by virtue of
their ability to procreate more naturallysinful people. On the other
hand, the sinless folks would go on living forever on earth since they
would not be subject to physical death. That sounds nice at first, but
at least some of the sinful people would probably repent and be saved,
so that whiletheir death was inevitable, so too was the possibility
that they would go to heavenly glory upon dying. 
  
  Who would then be better off--the perfect
people or the saved sinners? Which is better, a permanent existence on
earth, or eternity in a heavenly state? Once word got out that
forgiven sinners could go to a higher plane of existence and remain
there forever, wouldn'tthe perfect people be inclined to say:"This
business of obeying God isall very well and good, but I think I'd be
better off if I sinned and then repented of it so I can go to heaven
instead!"
  
  If that all sounds far fetched, that's only
because it is--butthen, so is much of what passes for "Christian"
theology about original sin. In light of the above considerations, why
is the LDS view of a "necessary" Fall (and one that didn't take God by
surprise) so outrageous? God knew exactly what would happen with
Adam
and Eve, andit was just what he had in mind all along. And if that's
not the case, then you are required to believe things that are much
more absurd than the "some sinless and some sinful" scenario described
above. 
  
  Things like:
  
  Unbaptized infants spend eternity in hell.
St. Augustine certainly believed it, and he's the hero of Catholics and
Calvinists alike. After all, if original sin and guilt are inherited,
why should babies get a free pass? And if we think they're innocent,
maybe that's only because we're guilty ourselves. God's justice is
infinite, and so is his wrath. If the tykes haven't been "born again"
they're out of luck.
  
  Some people have been predestined to be
saved, while others have been predestined by God to spend eternity in
hell, and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it.
Whynot? Because God is sovereign and that's the way he wants it.
Case closed. If you're smart, you'll at least pretend to be sure that
you're predestined to be one of the saved--and hope you're right.
(Hint: vilifying Mormons is regarded as a sure sign that you're saved,
so do it as often as possible.)
  
  The vast majority of the human race will
spend eternity in hell anyway, because they never made a decision for
Christ.
  This includes all those who have never even heard of Christ, from
33
A.
D. right up to the present. They also haven't been "born again" and
they never will be. If that sounds harsh, just remember that it isn't

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

2005-12-10 Thread Christine Miller

Lance, I didn't know you believed in the gifts of the Spirit.(Whew. Two final exams down, one to go.)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually do, Judy. A prophet visited our store one week ago. God spoke through him and, said exactly that. You may be surprised to know just how dependent your country is on Canada. It is NOT JUST the other way 'round. Most yanks are sufficiently insular to know nothing of the rest of the world (including their neighbour)- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 14:41Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-masIf you really believe what you write here Lance then you need to be weeping between the porch and thealtar for us down here. Do you really think that if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing?? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirNo you wouldn't, Judy. You are in deep doodoo without anyone, including Canadians, keeping 'tabs', as you put it.From: Judy Taylor Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. Don't know what wewould do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs on us. We'd reallybe in trouble then ...On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! More pagans means more people with whom to share/live the gospel. What then ought one to be taking note of? How 'bout China/India. They, Terry, are the ones suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores. No more 'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and many, many more to come). - Original Message -
From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas We have been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by e-mail, and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be found. It is bad enough when all the big merchants, such as Wal Mart, Sears, Target and home depot stop advertising Christmas sales and start advertising "Holiday sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by salespeople with "Happy Holidays"
or "Seasons greetings". Target stores went so far as to run the Salvation army off it's property. No buckets or bell ringers there anymore. This sounds like where the preachers and banners proclaiming Christ should be, but then you must remember that the reason these stores are there is not to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned Christ mas, it would only be lip service. Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we try to remove the speck from their's. It seems that since Christmas falls on Sunday this year, that many churches will not have services "So that people can spend time with their
families". That, to me, is s stupid. Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not love me more than mother or father, sister or brother (Family), you cannot be Mine. Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is theresomething here I don't see? Am I too critical? Your thoughts? Terry -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




thewestern 
sun setnearhiroshima 

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..'bout a 50 
megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern 
  sun setnearhiroshima 
  
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Interpretation please... Gary is speaking in 
tongues - Or could it be Dylanspeak??

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 50 
  megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




..it lookd like 
itblew the hell outa japan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 50 
  megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas

Me is Where I'm At Today   Me is where I'm at today   And that is where I plan to stay.  
My own nose is on my faceAnd close to there that very place   Is where my facial main face grows   And where my face surrounds my nose.   Yes, I've got sufficient space   For my nose-surrounding face.  Go ahead
 and be yourself your way.   That seems to suit you right today.  But look at me and you will see   That I'm just right for being me.  Richard Hacken[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ..'bout a 50 megaton blast, babyOn Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:thewestern sun setnearhiroshima On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:||if the US goes down - Canada will be left standing??  ||__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





..you ain't seen 
nothin' yet

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..it lookd like 
  itblew the hell outa japan
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..'bout a 50 
megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern sun 
  setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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..move your Land 
Cruisers a little higher up the mountain

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ..you ain't seen 
  nothin' yet
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..it lookd like 
itblew the hell outa japan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 50 
  megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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DAVEH: I think you've just set a new record of posts for a TT poster
responding to his own nonsense, G. 
:-D 

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  ..move
your Land Cruisers a little higher up the mountain
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

..you
ain't seen nothin' yet


On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..it
lookd like itblew the hell outa japan
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..'bout
a 50 megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern
sun setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas




(but you're a 
mole:) anyway, do you have a catalog, Bro? on-line? what's an approx 2X 
black leather jacket goin' for these days?

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:27:17 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DAVEH: I think you've just set a new record of posts for a TT 
  poster responding to his own nonsense, G. :-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  



..move your 
Land Cruisers a little higher up the mountain

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ..you ain't 
  seen nothin' yet
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..it lookd 
like itblew the hell outa japan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..'bout a 
  50 megaton blast, baby
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
thewestern sun 
setnearhiroshima 

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

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if the US goes down - Canada will be 
left standing??




  
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE







In a message dated 12/9/2005 8:15:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The lie that Satan perpetrated in the garden of Eden to 
  deceive Eve is still alive today in some cults..."and ye shall be as 
  gods".Perry


Blainerb: 
"and ye shall be as the gods, knowing good and evil," was 
actually the truth--the lie was that they would not 
die. Satan often pairs the truth with a lie so as to give the 
lie credibility--politicians often do the same thing, as do Street 
Preachers :)

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas








  
  

  FORTUNATE 
  SONCreedence Clearwater 
  RevivalSome folks are 
  born made to wave the flag,ooh, they're red, white and blue.And 
  when the band plays "Hail To The Chief",oh, they point the cannon at 
  you, Lord,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no senator's 
  son,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate one, 
  no,Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,Lord, why don't 
  they help themselves? oh.But when the taxman come to the 
  door,Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yes,It ain't 
  me, it ain't me,I ain't no millionaire's son.It ain't me, it ain't 
  me,I ain't no fortunate one, no.Yeh, some folks inherit star 
  spangled eyes,ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,And when you 
  ask them, how much should we give,oh, they only answer, more, more, 
  more, yoh,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no military 
  son,It ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate one,It 
  ain't me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate one, no no no,It ain't 
  me, it ain't me,I ain't no fortunate son, son son 
  son

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:35:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  (but you're a 
  mole:) anyway, do you have a catalog, Bro? on-line? what's an approx 2X 
  black leather jacket goin' for these days?
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:27:17 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
DAVEH: I think you've just set a new record of posts for a TT 
poster responding to his own nonsense, G. :-D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  

  ..move your 
  Land Cruisers a little higher up the mountain
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:15:16 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

..you ain't 
seen nothin' yet

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:02:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..it 
  lookd like itblew the hell outa 
  japan
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:57:02 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..'bout 
a 50 megaton blast, baby

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:47:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  thewestern sun 
  setnearhiroshima 
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:49:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
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  if the US 
  goes down - Canada will be left 
standing??

Re: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, seasons greetings, X-mas





I am always learning more about TT's that I didn't know before. So, 
Lance is a Canadian? 

Canadians often speak with a slight Scottish brogue, and say ""eh?" after 
each sentence. :)

My Borrowman name comes from Scotland, and from a place in Canada called 
Middleville--in Lanark County of Ontario. 

Blainerb

In a message dated 12/10/2005 10:59:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Sure glad you are keeping up with our economy Lance. 
  Don't know what we
  would do if we didn't have the Canadians keeping tabs 
  on us. We'd really
  be in trouble then ...
  
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:40:32 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Upset? No! Why? USA is a secular republic NOT A 
  CHRISTIAN NATION!  More  pagans means more people with whom to 
  share/live the gospel.  What then ought one to be taking note 
  of? How 'bout China/India.  They,  Terry, are the ones 
  suppling the mdse for the aforementioned stores.  No more  
  'made in the USA! (3 million manufacturing jobs lost since 2003 and  
  many,  many more to come).  - Original 
  Message -  From: "Terry Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: December 10, 2005 08:20 Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy holidays, 
  seasons greetings, X-mas We have 
  been watching the news lately, plus getting some stuff by  e-mail, 
and it seems that the world we once knew is no longer to be 
  found.  It is   bad enough when all the big merchants, 
  such as Wal Mart, Sears,  Target and   home depot stop 
  advertising Christmas sales and start advertising  "Holiday  
   sales". When you walk in the stores you are greeted by  
  salespeople with   "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons greetings". 
  Target stores went so  far as to   run the Salvation army 
  off it's property. No buckets or bell  ringers   
  there anymore.  This sounds like where the preachers and banners 
  proclaiming  Christ should   be, but then you must 
  remember that the reason these stores are  there is   not 
  to proclaim Christ, but to make money. If they mentioned  Christ 
  mas,   it would only be lip service.   
  Besides that, we need to get the beam out of our own eye before we  
  try to   remove the speck from their's. It seems that since 
  Christmas  falls on   Sunday this year, that many churches 
  will not have services "So  that   people can spend time 
  with their families". That, to me, is s  stupid.  
   Why not take the family to church? What am I missing here? 
   The words of Jesus keep running through my mind. "If you do not 
   love me   more than mother or father, sister or brother 
  (Family), you cannot  be   Mine.   
  Do the rest of you get worked up or nauseous over this? Is there 
 something here I don't see? Am I too 
  critical? Your thoughts?  
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE





That's interesting Lance!! If I do not soon find my copy I may buy 
another from you? It is an excellent book!!
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:17:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New 
Subject-AE


As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
Lost Books of the Bible, in 
which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not 
accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what 
should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must 
still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you 
chapter and verse. 
 In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and 
describes her as being very beautiful.
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Blaine do you read the Bible?
  It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - 
  why not go back and refresh 
  .[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  


  
  
  I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
  headlines like Cain. Cain married his sister, according to one 
  account. He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked 
  Able better than Cain--until Able 
  was"removed,"at least.

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE




In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:24:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Iheard that there was abook explaining how the earth is the 
  center of the UniverseIt probably has as much truth as your book.
  If I give you chapter  verse out of this book? so what!
  
  Are Anton Laveys books 
  good for your "spiritual Enlightenment"?



   Who's he?
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
Lost Books of the Bible, in 
which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not 
accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what 
should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must 
still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you 
chapter and verse. 
 In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and 
describes her as being very beautiful.
Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE





Judy you're just too fixed on a one bible only theme. You would enjoy 
your life more if you would loosen up on that point a bit, huh? The Book 
of Mormon is the word of God, and see what you are missing? 
Tell me your birthday, maybe I can psych out your problem . . . 
:)
Blainerb


In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:41:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I have it and have yet to figure out what it 
  is excellent for  I'd put it on the same level as "Dead Sea 
  Scrolls"
  and "Dead Sea Scroll Bibles"
  
  On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
I SELL this book. It's excellent!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New 
  Subject-AE
  
  
  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
  source of spiritual enlightenment! :) I have a book titled 
  Lost Books of the Bible, in 
  which there are accounts that are written as being true, but were not 
  accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what 
  should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must 
  still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you 
  chapter and verse. 
   In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and 
  describes her as being very beautiful.
  Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE




who are its 
authors?

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:49:39 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  .. The Book of Mormon is the word of God
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher

-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:56:57 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts from a master teacher

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:09:34 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

"But in respect of the very three elements which are supposed to vindicate it[theology]as a science, namely,
the idea of unity, the possibility of myth, and the humanistic relevance of Christianity, it can only be described as completely empty from the theological standpoint, so that theology integrated along these lines must be flatly
disowned as theology" (Dogmatics, 1.1, The word of God, pp. 9,10).

So the late Barth did or did not believe theology is a science? There is no way I can answer that question without you misunderstanding. Sorry. besides, the point of the above had nothing to do with "science."

Is this what he said all that to say? This is not written in English.

When critics of Barth leapfrogsuch foundational comments, they cannot possibly understand what Barth is
all about. He is as "conservative" as one gets - if being centered in the Word is a definition of same.

Why is it necessary to understand what Barth is about JD? Because simple folk like you are busy misunderstanding what Barth is about, JT.

Ppl can be conservative and well meaning
and still be dead wrong. Thank you for your testimony on that.

Bro Barth seems to accept these criterion as legitimate considerations when one thinks to consider
theology as a "science"

How is it possible for theology to be a science when observation is the key toscience?
So how does one observe God? Who said the rules of natural science are the rules of thgology? Not me. Not Barth. Just you. You are just arguing with yourself on this one, Judy.

1. freedom from contradiction

The Bible is already free from contradiction with or without Barth
Not the way you interpret it

2. Unity in the sphere of its object. [read: subject matter].

That's sadly lacking - on TT at least, I guess Barth would have been unified with himself.]
Huh? All I know is that you do not agree with any other person on TT -- none of do.

3. The willingness to accept request for verification.

Who would he verify with? Anyone who has an ear for understanding.

4. Respect for that which is physically and biologically impossible.

What is impossible with God?You miss the point. If you do not have have respect for what is naturally impossible, you will never recognize a miracle when it happens.

5. Freedom from all prejudgments.

6. The validity of axiomatic propositions [relative to biblical studies and 'theological' conclusions].

Certainly, these are excellent considerations as one considers a person hermeneutic.
[] are my additions.

judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

-Original Message-From: KnpraiseTo: KnpraiseSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:42:20 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

Lets not discuss this one. You have no grasp of what is being said. For example, Paul speaks of the Gentile and the Jew in this passage. I ask a question about the two, and you fire back that there is no longer Jew and Gentile. I must say, Judy, that your line of reasonhas markedly declined over the past year. You have moved from being simply difficult, to difficult to understand, to just plain ... well .. I am not sure I have the words to express it.I will leave it at that.

-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:14:40 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Law and Spirit

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:26:28 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Me again.JD writes: You speak as if the Holy Sprit indwelling and the "..law written on their hearts" are two different things. What exactly do you mean when you, Judy Taylor, speak of the law written on your heart? Memorization or what?

No JD, it's too much for the old unregenerated mind - the law is spiritual - When we are in Christ and indwelt by the Spirit of Christ we like the ppl in Romans 2:14,15 do by nature the thingsrequired by God's Law.

You have not explained how your version of legal inwardness is different from that of the OT opportunity for same.

OT people had noSpirit of Christ indwelling them JD; they were to keep the Levitical Law along with God's moral laws.

Secondly,you misunderstand Romans , chapter 2 (you meant 2:14-,15 correct ?).The "Gentiles" in that passage are not regenerated anything.

There is no way an unregenerated person either OT or NT is able to fulfill God's
law "by nature" JD. Read about their natures in Ephesians 2. Children of wrath.
Now tell me how you figure. Makes no sense. You arein Calvin's mode - OTOH
saying unregenerate man is by nature totally depraved and the next minute claiming that they can also"by nature" fulfill God's law - something only Jesus
had accomplished pre Calvary.

You only say that because your bias orders you to do so.

If you want to call it that - OK then.My scriptural bias compelsme to do it.

Remember I did say the regenerated gentile who is walking after the Spirit JD.
Don't leave anything out.

So -- who is the Jew in this passage? He is obviously not like the rest of us. If the Gentile is the Holy Ghost inhabited disciple of God - who is this Jew guy?

He is either a disciple of Christ who is also indwelt by the Spirit of God - remember
in Christ there is no Jew, Greek, bond, or free. All are one. Or he is a legalistic
Judaiser who is still under bondage to the sacrificial law.

And , if the Gentile is the one withthe Holy Spirit, who does by nature the things of the Law - how is it that he might be lost ("...conscience either excusing or accusing .")?

That does not refer to saved/lost JD. When a Christian's conscience excuses them
they go on their way rejoicing. When accused by the conscience it is time to go to
the throne of grace and do some business with God. Time to repent.

And what of 2:12? The "Gentile" in this passage, according to Judy, is the saved individual (having the indwelling Holy Spirit). He is judged by onestandardand the Jew (Christian?) is judged by another.

I didn't say anything of the kind JD. The above is your construction and yours alone
Please stop putting words in my mouth. I can speak for myself, thank you.

It is so much easier to just accept the text for what it says.

Yes, then you don't have to cut anything out or try to manipulate any passages.

Re: [TruthTalk] Some thoughts



so, when I was a kid, I thought I might be a cowboy .. really. How 'bout you. 

And I really kinda of thought I would get old with my sister hanging around. 

And my folks, and the brother and sister of another father.



Did God save the best for the last? I think not. 

Reality has a way of preparing us for those things that , in our innocence, were furthest from our mind.

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

2005-12-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke



Blainerb wrotez:
President Lee is referring to the one star in the Big Dipper constellation 
called the North Star.


Actually, Blaine, the north star is at the tip of the tail of ursa 
minor...the little dipper. And men live on the moon.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:13:22 EST




Blainerb:  I actually saw and touched one  of the original Sunstones that
were placed in the Nauvoo Temple in Nauvoo  Illinois.  The state of 
Illinois had
retained it for their museum.   Thanks for showing us what it looks like.  
It

represents--symbolizes--the  highest degree of brightness and glory man may
attain too in the  resurrection--which glory is likened unto the sun.  It 
is in
no way a  representation of what God actually looks like.  (Read more  
below)



In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:42:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


(http://www.utlm.org/images/masonictemplearticle/nomanknowsmyhistory_p298b.jpg)
temple stone!
Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and  worshipped them, either the
sun, or moon, or any of the host of  heaven, which I have not commanded


Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that  maketh his son or 
his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth  divination, or an 
observer

of times, or an enchanter, or a  witch.


There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of  the Big Dipper on 
the

Salt Lake Temple, explained by President Harold B.  Lee to represent the
great truth that through the priesthood  of God the lost may find their 
way.

Harold B.Lee,  Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251


Blainerb:  President Lee is referring to  the one star in the Big Dipper
constellation called the North Star.  Unlike  the other six stars, it 
remains

constant as the earth turns on its axis every  twenty-four hours, and thus
symbolizes Jesus Christ, who never deviates or  changes, but remains a 
constant
source of enlightenment for those who seek his  counsel and who seek to 
emulate
Him.  We may, like the mariners of old who  kept their course steady by 
taking a
fix on the North Star, find our spiritual  directions by taking a fix on 
Jesus

Christ.




Blainerb:  The above photo is of another  section of the outer wall of the
original Nauvoo, Illinois, Temple.  The  star symbolizes the lowest of the 
three
degrees of glory man may attain to in  the resurrection.  Since stars 
produce

their own light, these are probably  those who stand in their own light and
reject the greater light of Jesus  Christ.

The moon represents the middle degree of glory  man may be resurrected to.
The glory of the moon is a reflection of the  light received from the sun, 
and

so shall it be among the inhabitants of this  glory/Kingdom.  That is, they
will accept the greater light of Jesus  Christ, and will be among the 
honorable

of the earth, but were not valiant in  their testimony of Jesus Christ.
Kevin's nonsense below tells me he stands  in his own light.  :)

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your  Moloch and Chiun your
images, the star of your god, which ye made to  yourselves.


2 Kings 23:5,11  And he put  down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of
Judah had ordained to  burn incense in the high places in the cities of 
Judah,
and in the places  round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense 
unto
Baal, to the  sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the  
host of
heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had  given to 
the

sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the  chamber of
Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and  burned the 
chariots of

the sun with fire.

_http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12_
(http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12)
Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy,  and Joseph 
Smith

called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and  the Morning Star.
Why this preoccupation with the  heavens?

In the Book of Revelations, Christ is called  the bright and Morning Star.
This would be Venus, which because of its  being closer to the sun than the
earth, sometimes  follows the sun down as  the Evening Star, sometimes is 
hidden
behind the sun, and sometimes precedes the  sun arising in the morning, so 
is
called the Morning Star.  This sequence  symbolizes the death (Evening 
Star),

burial (star behind the sun)  and  resurrection (Morning Star) of Jesus
Christ.  It is all symbolic.   ByTheWay, the Hopi Indians include part of 
this
sequence in one of their  ceremonies--they have one of their priests wear a 
white

robe and a fake beard,  and chant, I am the bright and morning  star.
(Book of the Hopi, p. 143, by Frank   Waters.)

Just as the Savior was born and sacrificed on special Hebrew calendar  
days,

so was the Prophet Joseph Smith. His

RE: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE









Looks like you and I were born just a few
days apart, Blaine.
So wouldnt that mean we are pretty much identical? (Disturbing thought!!!) Gee, there
must only be 12 different kinds of folks in the world; kinda like the twelve
tribes of Israel, huh? iz











From:
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
9:50 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New
Subject-AE









Judy you're just too fixed on a one bible
only theme. You would enjoy your life more if you would loosen up on that
point a bit, huh? The Book of Mormon is the word of God, and see what you
are missing? 





Tell me your birthday, maybe I can psych
out your problem . . . :)





Blainerb

















In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:41:16
P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







I have it and have yet
to figure out what it is excellent for  I'd put it on the same level
as Dead Sea Scrolls





and Dead Sea Scroll Bibles











On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







I SELL this book. It's excellent!







- Original Message - 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 





Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE













As you should know by now, I do not
believe the Bible to be the only source of spiritual enlightenment!
:) I have a book titled Lost Books of the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as being true, but
were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and what
should not be included in the holy writ. I tried to find it--must still
be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you chapter
and verse. 





 In the account it actually gives
the sister's name, and describes her as being very beautiful.





Blainerb

Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo

2005-12-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke



Blainerb wrote:
Unlike the other six stars, it remains constant as the earth turns on its 
axis every twenty-four hours, and thus symbolizes Jesus Christ, who never 
deviates or changes,


Wait a minute...in a previous post you said the north star used to be some 
other star, not polaris, and will somedy be another. Isn't that changing?



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mr. Cleo
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:13:22 EST




Blainerb:  I actually saw and touched one  of the original Sunstones that
were placed in the Nauvoo Temple in Nauvoo  Illinois.  The state of 
Illinois had
retained it for their museum.   Thanks for showing us what it looks like.  
It

represents--symbolizes--the  highest degree of brightness and glory man may
attain too in the  resurrection--which glory is likened unto the sun.  It 
is in
no way a  representation of what God actually looks like.  (Read more  
below)



In a message dated 12/9/2005 5:42:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


(http://www.utlm.org/images/masonictemplearticle/nomanknowsmyhistory_p298b.jpg)
temple stone!
Du 17 And hath gone and served other gods, and  worshipped them, either the
sun, or moon, or any of the host of  heaven, which I have not commanded


Du 18 There shall not be found among you any one that  maketh his son or 
his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth  divination, or an 
observer

of times, or an enchanter, or a  witch.


There are seven stars in the sign or constellation of  the Big Dipper on 
the

Salt Lake Temple, explained by President Harold B.  Lee to represent the
great truth that through the priesthood  of God the lost may find their 
way.

Harold B.Lee,  Stand Ye in Holy Places, p. 251


Blainerb:  President Lee is referring to  the one star in the Big Dipper
constellation called the North Star.  Unlike  the other six stars, it 
remains

constant as the earth turns on its axis every  twenty-four hours, and thus
symbolizes Jesus Christ, who never deviates or  changes, but remains a 
constant
source of enlightenment for those who seek his  counsel and who seek to 
emulate
Him.  We may, like the mariners of old who  kept their course steady by 
taking a
fix on the North Star, find our spiritual  directions by taking a fix on 
Jesus

Christ.




Blainerb:  The above photo is of another  section of the outer wall of the
original Nauvoo, Illinois, Temple.  The  star symbolizes the lowest of the 
three
degrees of glory man may attain to in  the resurrection.  Since stars 
produce

their own light, these are probably  those who stand in their own light and
reject the greater light of Jesus  Christ.

The moon represents the middle degree of glory  man may be resurrected to.
The glory of the moon is a reflection of the  light received from the sun, 
and

so shall it be among the inhabitants of this  glory/Kingdom.  That is, they
will accept the greater light of Jesus  Christ, and will be among the 
honorable

of the earth, but were not valiant in  their testimony of Jesus Christ.
Kevin's nonsense below tells me he stands  in his own light.  :)

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your  Moloch and Chiun your
images, the star of your god, which ye made to  yourselves.


2 Kings 23:5,11  And he put  down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of
Judah had ordained to  burn incense in the high places in the cities of 
Judah,
and in the places  round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense 
unto
Baal, to the  sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the  
host of
heaven. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had  given to 
the

sun, at the entering in of the house of the LORD, by the  chamber of
Nathanmelech the chamberlain, which [was] in the suburbs, and  burned the 
chariots of

the sun with fire.

_http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12_
(http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html#fn12)
Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy,  and Joseph 
Smith

called the first newspaper of the Church The Evening and  the Morning Star.
Why this preoccupation with the  heavens?

In the Book of Revelations, Christ is called  the bright and Morning Star.
This would be Venus, which because of its  being closer to the sun than the
earth, sometimes  follows the sun down as  the Evening Star, sometimes is 
hidden
behind the sun, and sometimes precedes the  sun arising in the morning, so 
is
called the Morning Star.  This sequence  symbolizes the death (Evening 
Star),

burial (star behind the sun)  and  resurrection (Morning Star) of Jesus
Christ.  It is all symbolic.   ByTheWay, the Hopi Indians include part of 
this
sequence in one of their  ceremonies--they have one of their priests wear a 
white

robe and a fake beard,  and chant, I am the bright and morning  star.
(Book of the Hopi, p. 143, by Frank   Waters.)

Just as the

Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

2005-12-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Lance, post a link to your bookstore so we can check out your wares.

From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:17:04 -0500

I SELL this book. It's excellent!
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: December 10, 2005 13:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] New Subject-AE

  As you should know by now, I do not believe the Bible to be the only 
source of spiritual enlightenment!  :)  I have a book titled Lost Books of 
the Bible, in which there are accounts that are written as being true, but 
were not accepted by those who made the final decisions of what should and 
what should not be included in the holy writ.  I tried to find it--must 
still be buried with stuff from when I moved--if I find it I will give you 
chapter and verse.
In the account it actually gives the sister's name, and describes her 
as being very beautiful.

  Blainerb

  In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:57 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Blaine do you read the Bible?
It was not a coveted sister Cain was jealous of - why not go back and 
refresh .

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Eve had a passal of children, they just didn't make 
headlines like Cain.  Cain married his sister, according to one account.  
He was jealous of Able because the coveted sister liked Able better than 
Cain--until Able was removed, at least.

--
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RE: [TruthTalk] CSL comparable to Elvis??









I dont want to be the kind of
person who is Against Everything. I want to be For God-Kinds of
Things. I dont want to spend my life fighting against everything.
I want to spend my life Celebrating Life in Christ. Like Jesus, I dont
want to emulate the world, but to embrace the world with His Truth. Jesus
didnt reject the prostitute. He redeemed her. Jesus didnt
reject the world. He became part of it. He bled for it. He redeemed
it. And because of that His Secret Kingdom now permeates the world.
We who dwell in that Secret
 Kingdom are now the
counter-culture revolutionaries that Jesus was. We turn the things
of the world on their head, and use them to spread the Good News. Whether
it be mythology, movies, or e-mail, we use the things of the world to overcome
the world with good. The gospel triumphs over every imagination of
man. There were probably those who rejected those strange new printing
contraptions that made those newfangled books called Bibles. Why cant
we just read from the scrolls like our grandfathers did? The Word will not be
bound by the traditions of men, but explodes exponentially with each new age.
izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
2:10 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CSL
comparable to Elvis??







I don't see His parables as every day
stuff - especially not when he told His disciples that





he spoke in parables so that some would
not see - rather than to make it easy for the regular





run of the mill person out there (see
Matt 13:34-43)











On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:58:17 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





I use the word secular to denote
everyday stuff vs. religious stuff. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor





Why do you call them the secular
allegory of His day? Iz





Wasn't He born under the Law into a
theocracy? 











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Jesus used the secular allegory of His
day; called parables. iz











From:
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005
12:26 PM
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comparable to Elvis??









In a message dated 12/9/2005 6:00:55 A.M.
Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Ugh! Will have
to suffer witches and lions at the FF places for a while. Did God say it
was through





secular
allegoryHe would draw ppl or was it by the foolishness of preaching??









Blainerb: Are we alluding to CS
Lewis and his writings? 













judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)











judyt

He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments

is a liar (1 John 2:4)

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