Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN SCRIPTURE. 
I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your statement (Lance) is 
false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, CPL 
also.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 05, 2005 14:30
  Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture per 
  se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who are
  well grounded in scripture would recognize 
  them. jt
  
  On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own 
biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which 
these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) 
extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical 
interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula 
concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation 
as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. 
If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is 
said herein.

  From: Kevin Deegan 
  G  L, rooted and grounded in the 
  word?
  
  LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
  long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth 
really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and 
grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these 
brothers. So who decides? You or me? 
Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
-0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" 
aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims 
repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) 
and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan 
than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth 
speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because 
aperson can be honestly deceived so 
being 
honest is not a litmus test either. 
jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
  prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who 
  claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits 
  to confirm thedifference. 
  
  JD
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

TWO-You (metaphorically)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 05, 2005 22:10
  Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  ONE
  LANCE chirps I've found a total lack of concern 
  
  Here is your opportunity to FLAP your gums.
  
  In what way have you 
  demonstrated your Concern Lance?
  TWO
  Who teaches that the incarnation is a book?
  
  Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make 
  accusations, what is your basis for such?
  Lanceyou areon display for all to see. Be a man for 
  once in your life and fess up.Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own 
biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which 
these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) 
extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical 
interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula 
concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation 
as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. 
If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is 
said herein.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 05, 2005 07:52
  Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?
  
  LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
  long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth 
really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and 
grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these 
brothers. So who decides? You or me? 
Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
-0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" 
aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims 
repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) 
and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan 
than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth 
speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because 
aperson can be honestly deceived so 
being 
honest is not a litmus test either. 
jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
  prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who 
  claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits 
  to confirm thedifference. 
  
  JD
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Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Judy Taylor]

Wrong premise always leads to wrong conclusion. 
jt

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:15:17 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise: you preach 
  "silence is golden" but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage 
  to say nothing of consequence.conclusion:  
  youdo not practice what you preach. 
  
  Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
  Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
  Quiz
  

  
  I do practice what I preach 
  You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service
  
  But I keep under my body, and bring it into 
  subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself 
  should be a castaway.
  Are those addictions under control yet?
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  




Silence is golden.
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

Jd
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Judy Taylor]

Lance it would behoove you to spend more time in 
scripture than you do trying to stay two steps ahead
of everyone else. I know enough scripture to know 
that you are off in another direction. jt

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:17:07 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN 
  SCRIPTURE. I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your statement 
  (Lance) is false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, CPL 
  also.
  
From: Judy Taylor 

It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture 
per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who 
are
well grounded in scripture would recognize 
them. jt

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own 
  biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which 
  these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) 
  extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical 
  interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula 
  concerning interpretation)
  
  I'm attempting to engage Dave in a 
  conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as 
  drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over 
  much of what is said herein.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 
G  L, rooted and grounded in the 
word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
  referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one 
  rigth really cares about what I actually write? 
  
  But more than that aside - being rooted and 
  grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these 
  brothers. So who decides? You or 
  me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 
  
  
  JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
  -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  

  
  JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" 
  aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
  for
  either Lance or Gary. Lance claims 
  repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the 
  enlightenment) and
  what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan 
  than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth 
  speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because 
  aperson can be honestly deceived so 
  being 
  honest is not a litmus test either. 
  jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


What does this have to do with anything? I believe 
in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people 
who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the 
spirits to confirm thedifference. 

JD
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

Explicate 'another direction', please. Do be as 
detailed and definitive as you are able. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 06, 2005 05:10
  Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  Lance it would behoove you to spend more time in 
  scripture than you do trying to stay two steps ahead
  of everyone else. I know enough scripture to 
  know that you are off in another direction. jt
  
  On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:17:07 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN 
SCRIPTURE. I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your statement 
(Lance) is false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, CPL 
also.

  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture 
  per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who 
  are
  well grounded in scripture would recognize 
  them. jt
  
  On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own 
biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which 
these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' 
(?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on 
this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my 
little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a 
conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as 
drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over 
much of what is said herein.

  From: Kevin Deegan 
  G  L, rooted and grounded in the 
  word?
  
  LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
  long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  


And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one 
rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and 
grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these 
brothers. So who decides? You or 
me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 


JD-Original Message-From: Judy 
Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
-0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the 
spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is 
not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims 
repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the 
enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more 
Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the 
mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything 
because aperson can be honestly 
deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. 
jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I 
  believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few 
  honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe 
  in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

  
  JD
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Judy Taylor]

Lance - how is it you constantly ask for what you are 
unwilling to give? I find it ironic that the king
of the 'one liners' would ask for such detail. 
jt

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:19:25 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Explicate 'another direction', please. Do be as 
  detailed and definitive as you are able. 
  
From: Judy Taylor 

Lance it would behoove you to spend more time in 
scripture than you do trying to stay two steps ahead
of everyone else. I know enough scripture to 
know that you are off in another direction. jt

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:17:07 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN 
  SCRIPTURE. I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your 
  statement (Lance) is false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, 
  CPL also.
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 

It's not the fact that you don't quote 
scripture per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who 
are
well grounded in scripture would recognize 
them. jt

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own 
  biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon 
  which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 
  'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little 
  formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' 
  being my little formula concerning interpretation)
  
  I'm attempting to engage Dave in a 
  conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) 
  as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time 
  over much of what is said herein.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 
G  L, rooted and grounded in the 
word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  
  And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or 
  "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that 
  anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually 
  write? 
  
  But more than that aside - being rooted and 
  grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these 
  brothers. So who decides? You or 
  me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 
  
  
  JD-Original Message-From: Judy 
  Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
          -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  

  
  JD it is impossibleto "try the 
  spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which 
  is not true for
  either Lance or Gary. Lance claims 
  repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the 
  enlightenment) and
  what comes from Gary's computer is more 
  Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart 
  the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with 
  everything because aperson can be 
  honestly deceived so being 
  honest is not a litmus test either. 
  jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


What does this have to do with anything? I 
believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few 
honest people who claim to be prophets. And I 
believe in testing the spirits to confirm 
thedifference. 

JD
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

All you need do is say: 'No, Lance, I won't do it!' 
I can actually live with such a response whereas others cannot. As an aside, 
review my posts over the last week or two. They are not 'one liners'. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 06, 2005 05:25
  Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  Lance - how is it you constantly ask for what you are 
  unwilling to give? I find it ironic that the king
  of the 'one liners' would ask for such detail. 
  jt
  
  On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:19:25 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Explicate 'another direction', please. Do be as 
detailed and definitive as you are able. 

  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  Lance it would behoove you to spend more time in 
  scripture than you do trying to stay two steps ahead
  of everyone else. I know enough scripture 
  to know that you are off in another direction. jt
  
  On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:17:07 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN 
SCRIPTURE. I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your 
statement (Lance) is false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, 
CPL also.

  From: Judy 
  Taylor 
  
  It's not the fact that you don't quote 
  scripture per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those 
  who are
  well grounded in scripture would recognize 
  them. jt
  
  On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
FWIW my submissions, in part, are my 
own biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures 
upon which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 
'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little 
formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe 
it.('it' being my little formula concerning 
interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a 
conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, 
Dave) as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of 
the time over much of what is said herein.

  From: Kevin Deegan 
  G  L, rooted and grounded in 
  the word?
  
  LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
  long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  


And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or 
"Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that 
anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually 
write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted 
and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these 
brothers. So who decides? You or 
me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let 
live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy 
Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
        -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] 
NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the 
spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word 
which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance 
claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the 
enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more 
Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart 
the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with 
everything because aperson can 
be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test 
either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I 
  believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few 
  honest people who claim to be prophets. And I 
  believe in testing the spirits to confirm 
  thedifference. 
  
  JD
  

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

Of course there are miracles today

WOOF WOOF

MOO MOOO

HA HA HA HE HE HE
Roll on the floor, filled with the spirit![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



So Judy and David M -- agree with Deegan on this one ??? 

What about, Izzy -- no miracles today ? You all "agree" -- so I guess I should know the answer to this question. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:48:12 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Of late many Muslims within that 10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus.

Someone must be casting incantations
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

CMON don't be a mouse BE A MAN

Are you claiming now that I teach such and you have now admitted that you have changed your claim that JUDY, DM  IZZY teach such?

The Bible says A double minded man is unstable in ALL his ways
But as amouse you won't qualify.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


TWO-You (metaphorically)

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 05, 2005 22:10
Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


ONE
LANCE chirps I've found a total lack of concern 

Here is your opportunity to FLAP your gums.

In what way have you demonstrated your Concern Lance?
TWO
Who teaches that the incarnation is a book?

Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis for such?
Lanceyou areon display for all to see. Be a man for once in your life and fess up.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said herein.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 05, 2005 07:52
Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

JD
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Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

Since JD will not speak on his practice I can not see if his speech matches up.
Everytime we get to the question of what he has done, we get NADA

Remember when he was preaching about the importance of Discipleship?
I asked who he has discipled

ANS: ___


Silence really is golden

watch out for the rocks
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Wrong premise always leads to wrong conclusion. jt

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 00:15:17 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise: you preach "silence is golden" but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage to say nothing of consequence.conclusion:  youdo not practice what you preach. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Silence is golden.
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

LOSTLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Explicate 'another direction', please. Do be as detailed and definitive as you are able. 

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 06, 2005 05:10
Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Lance it would behoove you to spend more time in scripture than you do trying to stay two steps ahead
of everyone else. I know enough scripture to know that you are off in another direction. jt

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:17:07 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN SCRIPTURE. I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your statement (Lance) is false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, CPL also.

From: Judy Taylor 

It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who are
well grounded in scripture would recognize them. jt

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said herein.

From: Kevin Deegan 
G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

He is unwilling to give but not ask. As long as we use your money, he need not move his finger.
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Lance - how is it you constantly ask for what you are unwilling to give? I find it ironic that the king of the 'one liners' would ask for such detail. jt

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:19:25 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Explicate 'another direction', please. Do be as detailed and definitive as you are able. 

From: Judy Taylor 

Lance it would behoove you to spend more time in scripture than you do trying to stay two steps ahead
of everyone else. I know enough scripture to know that you are off in another direction. jt

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 04:17:07 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Translation:I (Judy) AM WELL GROUNDED IN SCRIPTURE. I (Judy) disagree with your statement. Therefore, Your statement (Lance) is false. 'Those' (translation) DavidM, Izzie, Kevin, CPL also.

From: Judy Taylor 

It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who are
well grounded in scripture would recognize them. jt

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said herein.

From: Kevin Deegan 
G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

Correctamundo, bishop!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 05, 2005 00:19
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  
  
  To my shame, I am much more inclined to go 2nd grade with you, 
  Kevin. Lance and Gary simply do not spend much time returning 
  insults -- and I am constantlyhaving to hold myself 
  back. If you really were concerned for their answers, they would 
  give answer. But when their words will be twisted and used against 
  them NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID -- well what is the point. 
  You are here on TT just for the fight and nothing else. Virtually 
  all of your posts are about the fight -- complete with insults and 
  the most uncaring presentation of anyone on this forum. 
  
  JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
  Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:32:05 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  

  
  Are you asking Lance ALSO?
  He is a little backed up with questions he is 
  avoiding.
  Get in Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  


does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is 
your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying 
in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 


JD-Original Message-From: 
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 
-0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off 
your chest and please EXPLAIN to us 
exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! 
Shall we follow your example and just blame other 
entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? 
Izzy





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirSent: Saturday, June 
04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about 
it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global 
issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, 
actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events 
outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an 
accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.

  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: ShieldsFamily 
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: June 
  03, 2005 21:19
  
  Subject: RE: 
      [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  You don?t make me 
  feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? 
  my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you 
  have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? 
  (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  It's truly uncomfortable is it 
  not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do 
  be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 
  'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland 
  security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand 
  thingy, Iz.
  
  
  
  You want serious? I'll give 
  you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people 
  die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of 
  these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. 
  These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities 
  since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. 
  This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of 
  World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, 
  including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo 
  (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
  (70,000)
  
  
  
  Despite this, the 
  international community has failed to take the necessary action to 
  alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the 
  United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while 
  contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to 
  DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. 
  "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and 

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

Suggestions:
1. Intercessory prayer
2. Tell others to pray
3. Be further informed so as to separate the false 
information from the true.
4. Were any of you to watch 'Shake Hands With the 
Devil', you would have heard Dallaire criticize the UN along with the former 
Canadian Ambassador to the UN, Stephen Lewis. The UN ain't much that is good 
but, neither is it nothing.

Does anyone know of the millions who interceded re: 
what has been referred to as the 10/40 window? Of late many Muslims within that 
10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 04, 2005 22:23
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  Neither Lance nor JD has been one bit helpful today in 
  suggesting concrete ways in which we can cure the ills of the Congo. I 
  am sorely disappointed. Izzy
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:28 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
  Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer 
  because it is not important. Right!
  
  What gets it DONE JD?
  Tell us how you do it.
  
  Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
  Just come out and admit it, you are DOING 
  _[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. 
Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 


JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million 
fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in 
  print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to 
  one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' 
  He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout 
  for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.
  
  You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
  anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in 
  the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are 
  accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add 
  daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis 
  began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC 
  conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and 
  in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur 
  in Sudan (70,000)
  
  Despite this, the international community has 
  failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 
  2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities 
  had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency 
  for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% 
  when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as 
  many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. 
  In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not 
  yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the 
  crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the 
  New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
    NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and 
true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s 
?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
    NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in 
Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof 
in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well e

Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically 
grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions 
are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. 
I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually 
believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation as 
to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If I 
were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said 
herein.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 05, 2005 07:52
  Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?
  
  LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
  long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth 
really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded 
in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who 
decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live 
and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
-0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside 
from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly 
that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) 
and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than 
scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth 
speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because 
aperson can be honestly deceived so being 

honest is not a litmus test either. 
jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
  prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim 
  to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to 
  confirm thedifference. 
  
  JD
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Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

Again more evidence of Baseless claims, since it would have been a simple feat to provide the examples of "rooted  grounded" posts by the dynamic duo. Avoid  dance. Notice JD dance  that with only one foot[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



First of all, I thought you were responding to my words, since you included them in your response -- callme crazy. Secondly, are you tryng to tell me that nothing written by Gary was (is) biblical -- all of it was rock and roll? Are you trying to convince me that the Bishop from the North only speaks of movies? That seems to be what you just said. There is no point in going onwith this discussionif that is your "recollection." What is your claim against these two men, once again? NOTHING but rock and roll and the movies? Is that what you just said? 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:06:15 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:42:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced below in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

JD
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RE: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

What does it mean to be rooted  grounded in the word?
JD must have a diferent definition.
A simple verbal profession of devotion?
Maybe he means LIP service.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








They are definitely that! ROFL! Iz







But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers.

JD
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Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[knpraise]

Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

Jd

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

No, please tell us about it. I was reading that 
the big Newsweek lie-scandal about supposed prison guards defacing Korans was 
actually in fact cases of Iraqis defacing the Koran and saying they hated 
it. Maybe that's why? Izzy



Does anyone know of the millions who interceded re: 
what has been referred to as the 10/40 window? Of late many Muslims within that 
10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus. 

RE: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

Kevin, you just have to take their word for it that their many 
opinions are Biblically-based--in spite of the fact that there is 
norational evidence of such. Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 
DeeganSent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:53 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: 
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
long?

RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

The "new" you? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:35 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
Quiz





Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

Jd

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

4. And realize that nothing in 1-4 has been YOU changing a 
thing.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirSent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:43 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
Bible Quiz

Suggestions:
1. Intercessory prayer
2. Tell others to pray
3. Be further informed so as to separate the false 
information from the true.
4. Were any of you to watch 'Shake Hands With the 
Devil', you would have heard Dallaire criticize the UN along with the former 
Canadian Ambassador to the UN, Stephen Lewis. The UN ain't much that is good 
but, neither is it nothing.

Does anyone know of the millions who interceded re: 
what has been referred to as the 10/40 window? Of late many Muslims within that 
10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 04, 2005 22:23
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  Neither Lance nor JD has been one bit helpful today in 
  suggesting concrete ways in which we can cure the ills of the Congo. I 
  am sorely disappointed. Izzy
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:28 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
  Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer 
  because it is not important. Right!
  
  What gets it DONE JD?
  Tell us how you do it.
  
  Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
  Just come out and admit it, you are DOING 
  _[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. 
Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 


JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
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NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million 
fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in 
  print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to 
  one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' 
  He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout 
  for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.
  
  You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
  anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in 
  the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are 
  accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add 
  daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis 
  began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC 
  conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and 
  in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur 
  in Sudan (70,000)
  
  Despite this, the international community has 
  failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 
  2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities 
  had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency 
  for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% 
  when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as 
  many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. 
  In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not 
  yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the 
  crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the 
  New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
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Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and 
true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s 
?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





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RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

By the way, one of the pieces performed by our church band this 
weekend was "Watergrave" by Atomic Opera. Definitely the most passionate, 
moving musical _expression_ about baptism that I have ever heard. It reminds 
you what it really takes to be a "new man". Izzy


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ShieldsFamilySent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:03 AMTo: 
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Quiz

The "new" you? 


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Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

Jd

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[ShieldsFamily]

http://www.atomicopera.com/ 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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ShieldsFamilySent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:18 AMTo: 
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Quiz

By the way, one of the pieces performed by our church band this 
weekend was "Watergrave" by Atomic Opera. Definitely the most passionate, 
moving musical _expression_ about baptism that I have ever heard. It reminds 
you what it really takes to be a "new man". Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
ShieldsFamilySent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:03 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
Quiz

The "new" you? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:35 AMTo: 
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Quiz





Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

Jd

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[Lance Muir]

I shan't as it's not a genuine question, IMO. Only 
to say that an Iraqi woman in the company of her husband and baby were but one 
example of many who have testified to it.They were here the day before yesterday 
preparing to return to the Middle East today.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 05, 2005 09:00
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  No, please tell us about it. I was reading that 
  the big Newsweek lie-scandal about supposed prison guards defacing Korans was 
  actually in fact cases of Iraqis defacing the Koran and saying they hated 
  it. Maybe that's why? Izzy
  
  
  
  Does anyone know of the millions who interceded 
  re: what has been referred to as the 10/40 window? Of late many Muslims within 
  that 10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus. 

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[knpraise]

Oh, absolutely, my dear and ifDeegan follows my advice, it will result in something wonderful in his life -- not to mention everyone elses. 

God In Peace

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:03:30 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



The "new" you? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz





Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

Jd

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[Dave]

DAVEH: I confess Lance there are occasions when a smile has been
seen to crack my face while reading TT posts.  :-) 

 Perhaps my stupidity for equating evangelicalism
with evangelism is one of those times.instead, I find myself
embarrassed!  :-[ 

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  I'm attempting to engage Dave in a
conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave)
as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time
over much of what is said herein.


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[Judy Taylor]

It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture per 
se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who are
well grounded in scripture would recognize them. 
jt

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own 
  biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these 
  conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend 
  from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical 
  interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning 
  interpretation)
  
  I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation 
  as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If 
  I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said 
  herein.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 
G  L, rooted and grounded in the 
word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how 
long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
  referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth 
  really cares about what I actually write? 
  
  But more than that aside - being rooted and 
  grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. 
  So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree 
  to live and let live. 
  
  JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 
  -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible 
  Quiz
  

  
  JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" 
  aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
  for
  either Lance or Gary. Lance claims 
  repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) 
  and
  what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan 
  than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth 
  speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because 
  aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
  
  honest is not a litmus test either. 
  jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who 
claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits 
to confirm thedifference. 

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[knpraise]

Yes. Precisely why I said they were grounded in scripture. Those who do not recognize this truth are obviously not grounded in scripture - or could it be that we are really talking about how eachunderstandsthe biblical message? I vote for the latter. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:30:00 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



It's not the fact that you don't quote scripture per se. If your conclusions were scripturally based those who are
well grounded in scripture would recognize them. jt

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:13:08 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said herein.

From: Kevin Deegan 
G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

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[Kevin Deegan]

JD you must be under some stress. Your rambling in your posts lately.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



They ( Then) why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor . Well, this is perhaps the most upsetting of my discussions here on TT. I really have nothing more to say. 

We have virtually nothing in common. You will not believe me, but I am going to think about what has just happened, do some praying (part of it will be "intercessory" as we call it in the land of the Charismata) and return. 

John Smithson





On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:54:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What I believe, Judy, is that your response is one of the more bazaar comments entertained here on TT. 
In my book, David's " children sent to hell " comment is number 1; 

jt: What on earth are you talking about JD - Solomon?

this is number 2, for the time being. You ask a question to which the answer would have absolutely no meaning to you -- so why ask? I mean, dead is dead -- right? 

jt: I have no idea what you are referring to or talking about - what was the question?

We are not going to even entertain a benevolent emotion because they are better off dead anyway!!! 

jt: Your words not mine and again, I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to.

That is not only nasty but gross and disgusting. Yeah !!! It most definitely is not the widom of God. On one hand we beat the banner for action in Iraq. I am one who, thus far, thinks intervention in Iraq is a good thing. But, for me, we should be there for the same reasons we should be in Durfar and the Congo and so on. The fact that we are not in the Congo or Durfar is evidence , to me, that humanitarian concerns had nothing to do with our going to Iraq. I believe that the people of that country benefitted from our hypocricy anyway.

jt: It's good that you have opinions about all this JD. I don't since I am not in the position to know all details
I leave that to the ppl God has placed in authority - the ones who make these kinds of decisions.

A position that ignores the blight of the poor and hungry finds people without a divine awareness, per Is 58:9-11.

jt: They why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor among them?I guess he
must have been void ofdivine awareness also.

What is critical in the Is 58 passage is the fact that the disciple is pictured as one who is searching for God, but finding Him only when a number of realities are entertained in his life - not the lest of which is the outpouring for the hungre and and afflicted. Jd

jt: No JD; it is dealing with the sin in their lives as a whole - it is not playing God to the whole globe. jt


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[Kevin Deegan]

ONE
LANCE chirps I've found a total lack of concern 

Here is your opportunity to FLAP your gums.

In what way have you demonstrated your Concern Lance?
TWO
Who teaches that the incarnation is a book?

Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis for such?
Lanceyou areon display for all to see. Be a man for once in your life and fess up.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


FWIW my submissions, in part, are my own biblically grounded conclusions. Why not cite the scriptures upon which these conclusions are based? I read what interminable 'conversations' (?) extend from doing such. I've posted my little formula on this.(biblical interpretation) I actually believe it.('it' being my little formula concerning interpretation)

I'm attempting to engage Dave in a conversation as to his 'take on evangelicalism (not evangelism, Dave) as drawn from TT. If I were Dave, I'd be in stitches most of the time over much of what is said herein.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 05, 2005 07:52
Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

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[Kevin Deegan]

Furthermore, who teaches such?
Do you make this stuff up in your sleep?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis for such?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both.(Jesus  Scripture)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Lance wrote:  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name intothe mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don'tyou think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the following passage: John
 10:34-36 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he alsotaught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I amnot come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to
 listen and obey those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists. Matthew 23:2-3 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who think it would be evil legalism to do so? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have
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[knpraise]

You missed my post on this.

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:00:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Just come out and admit it JD, you are DOING _ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Neither Lance nor JD has been one bit helpful today in suggesting concrete ways in which we can cure the ills of the Congo. I am sorely disappointed. Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:28 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer because it is not important. Right!

What gets it DONE JD?
Tell us how you do it.

Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
Just come out and admit it, you are DOING _[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

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From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.


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[knpraise]

What in the world are you talking about, Kevin. Lance voiced an opinion about Miller and you are asking him "who teaches such? do you just make this stuff up in your sleep? You still talking about Lances opinion on Miller's claims are have you moved on -- once again - without telling us?

Jd

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Furthermore, who teaches such?
Do you make this stuff up in your sleep?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis for such?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both.(Jesus  Scripture)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Lance wrote:  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name intothe mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don'tyou think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the following passage: John 10:34-36 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not
 written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he alsotaught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I amnot come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.
 Matthew 23:2-3 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who think it would be evil legalism to do so? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your spee
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[Kevin Deegan]

I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
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Silence is golden.
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

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[Kevin Deegan]

So with most things they state.

Izzy are you the one that teaches Jesus was Incarnated in a Book?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kevin, you just have to take their word for it that their many opinions are Biblically-based--in spite of the fact that there is norational evidence of such. Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:53 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

G  L, rooted and grounded in the word?

LOL, neither has posted even one scripture reference in how long?
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[Kevin Deegan]

Total Immersion!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The "new" you? 


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Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

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[Kevin Deegan]

Right
In your eyes the Bible is the same as the thing you wrap a fish with.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I like "book chapter and verse" because of my churched traditions. Our two friends perhaps are not the same tradition. But I certainly identify scripture in their context  they oftenspeakAS OF the oracles of God. There is a caution to the "b, c and v" thingy -- proof-texting. Might as well be reading out of the newspaper when scripture is used in that manner. 

Defense Team Representatiive
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Kevin, you just have to take their word for it that their many opinions are Biblically-based--in spite of the fact that there is norational evidence of such. Izzy


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[Kevin Deegan]

Your some example addictions and all.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Oh, absolutely, my dear and ifDeegan follows my advice, it will result in something wonderful in his life -- not to mention everyone elses. 

God In Peace

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:03:30 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



The "new" you? 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 6:35 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz





Silence is golden.


So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

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[Kevin Deegan]

Here are the facts JD

Lance wrote:  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)David Judy  Izzy do you believe such?

JD your even starting to sound like me.
Ya know I think that there is deep down inside of JD just a little bit of me trying to break out. he really wants to be a preacher!
REPEATED FROM:
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:04:10 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible QuizFurthermore, who teaches such?

Do you make this stuff up in your sleep?
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What in the world are you talking about, Kevin. Lance voiced an opinion about Miller and you are asking him "who teaches such? do you just make this stuff up in your sleep? You still talking about Lances opinion on Miller's claims are have you moved on -- once again - without telling us?

Jd

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Furthermore, who teaches such?
Do you make this stuff up in your sleep?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Backup your statement, for once in your life. Anyone can make accusations, what is your basis for such?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both.(Jesus  Scripture)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Lance wrote:  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name intothe mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don'tyou think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the following passage: John
 10:34-36 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he alsotaught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I amnot come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to
 listen and obey those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.  Matthew 23:2-3 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who think it would be evil legalism to do so? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you mayknow how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have
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[knpraise]

The immedicate ocntext of my remarks was on this wise: you preach "silence is golden" but you talk and talk and talk and, somehow manage to say nothing of consequence.conclusion:  youdo not practice what you preach. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



I do practice what I preach 
You do not as has been demonstrated by your LIP Service

But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Are those addictions under control yet?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Silence is golden.
So practice what you preach, deegan and shut up.

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[knpraise]

So Judy and David M -- agree with Deegan on this one ??? 

What about, Izzy -- no miracles today ? You all "agree" -- so I guess I should know the answer to this question. 

Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:48:12 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Of late many Muslims within that 10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus.

Someone must be casting incantations

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[knpraise]

Clearly so.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:51:16 -0600Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




myth (false prophetsspeak ofJC in the past tense formanipulative personal reasons or asdoes the author, below)

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

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[Lance Muir]

Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a 
total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 
4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've 
all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods 
or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' 
contest.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19
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  Bible Quiz
  
  
  You don’t make me 
  feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You’re really “out there” my 
  friend. And your concerns about the Congo—what are you and Canada doing 
  about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United 
  Nations? (It’s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  
  It's truly uncomfortable is it 
  not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be 
  faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in 
  the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the 
  lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, 
  Iz.
  
  
  
  You want serious? I'll give you 
  serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die 
  every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these 
  deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These 
  deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the 
  crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the 
  DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and 
  in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in 
  Sudan 
  (70,000)
  
  
  
  Despite this, the international 
  community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the 
  crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations 
  for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the 
  United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined 
  by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has 
  claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming 
  level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community 
  has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address 
  the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the 
  New York based International Rescue Committee 
  (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


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03, 2005 14:27

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Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true 
names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get 
a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator 
McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that 
the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as 
much.

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[David Miller]

David Miller wrote:
 ... Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

Gary wrote:
 myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense
 for manipulative personal reasons or as does the
 author, below)

If I had spoken in the present tense and told you what Jesus Christ said to 
me today, you would still have an ad hominem slap to send my way.  How about 
giving it a rest.  We are looking for posts with substance, not posts that 
malign and accuse other TruthTalk members of evil.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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[David Miller]

Lance wrote:
 I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from
 DM to DH, for global issues.

I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high.  In 
fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either.  I'm in one of 
those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take 
care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern 
myself with issues across the other side of the globe.  I hope one day that 
I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know 
how to add global issues to it.  My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts 1, 
where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in 
Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  Historically there was a 
progression in maturity from things local to things global.  I think perhaps 
that you are older than me.  Was there ever a time in your life when you 
were not concerned enough with things global?

Lance wrote:
 To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond
 my comprehension.

What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through 
abortion?  Do you have a solution to this problem?  Are you concerned about 
it?  I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion.  Don't you think 
we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the 
problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas?

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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[Lance Muir]

Was there ever a time when...Yes, there was.

Abortion. Have you read 'Freakonomics'? Look at his 'take' on abortion. Yes
I do have a solution. Starting with yourself and, working outward, tell men
not to get women pregnant who will not carry the pregnancy to term. Is this
a joke? It is not!


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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 04, 2005 08:56
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 Lance wrote:
  I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from
  DM to DH, for global issues.

 I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high.  In
 fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either.  I'm in one
of
 those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take
 care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern
 myself with issues across the other side of the globe.  I hope one day
that
 I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know
 how to add global issues to it.  My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts
1,
 where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in
 Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  Historically there was
a
 progression in maturity from things local to things global.  I think
perhaps
 that you are older than me.  Was there ever a time in your life when you
 were not concerned enough with things global?

 Lance wrote:
  To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond
  my comprehension.

 What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through
 abortion?  Do you have a solution to this problem?  Are you concerned
about
 it?  I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion.  Don't you think
 we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the
 problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.


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[knpraise]

Whew !! Take a pill, there DM guy. You got people on the right running wild with ad hom and you go after Mr. G ?? Predictable. 

JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:32:36 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


David Miller wrote:
 ... Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

Gary wrote:
 myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense
 for manipulative personal reasons or as does the
 author, below)

If I had spoken in the present tense and told you what Jesus Christ said to 
me today, you would still have an ad hominem slap to send my way.  How about 
giving it a rest.  We are looking for posts with substance, not posts that 
malign and accuse other TruthTalk members of evil.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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[ShieldsFamily]

Poor JDno sympathy anywhere! (You
need a nice dog.) Let me know when the new me is going away so I
can hide. Izzy











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If I said these things, you would be all over me
-- boredom has its
fruit. Just remember you wrote this -- when I get off
my new me kick (hopefully that will never happen) I will get
even. Butfor the time being, I think you knew I would think
this funny, I have
act ually saved it
!! I showedone of my boys what I am up against on TT
--- laughter in the place of sympathy was all I
got. 











JD




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I guess I just
have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the

whole
thing! It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson. I can just

see him laughing
up his sleeve. Of course it's probably true, with him

being in the
construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If

he has one!)
Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD
I really don't care

what's missing!)Izzy



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Izzy,
first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 

a malady, or is
missing appendages. What do you mean, he is just now 

telling us?
What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he



is obligated to
tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos,



so why do you
think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity



at all you would
drop your prideful attitude, quit
trying to cover up your 

comment with
cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 

no sensitivity at
all.



Perry



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Why is that
Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's
typo's

suddenly he
tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we 

known

JD
and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain

that he is
not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a

lobotomy back
in the 50's, or what??? Izzy



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Izzy,
I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not

as moderator.



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 Are
those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on

 us, JD?
(Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz





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RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

Jesus will undoubtedly one day set the record straight for everyone on how
important He considers God's Word to be.  That will be a day of woe for
some. Izzy

-Original Message-
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As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both.
(Jesus  Scripture)


- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


 Lance wrote:
  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

 I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
the
 mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
you
 think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

 Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
 following passage:

 John 10:34-36
 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
 gods?
 (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
 scripture cannot be broken;
 (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
 world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
 respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
taught
 that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

 Matthew 5:17-18
 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
not
 come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
 tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those
 expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.

 Matthew 23:2-3
 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
 (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but
 do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those who
 greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
 think it would be evil legalism to do so?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.


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RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do
SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO!
Shall we follow your
example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate
we are? Izzy











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Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack
of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths
is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made
jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some
'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.







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From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: June 03, 2005
21:19





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You dont make me feel uncomfortable
except for you, Lance. Youre really out there my
friend. And your concerns about the Congowhat
are you and Canada
doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved
United Nations? (Its a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy











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It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you
sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own,
Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout
for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the
head in the sand thingy, Iz.











You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out
there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic
Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by
children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the
cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August,
1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any
other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds
other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda
(800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)











Despite this, the international community has failed to take
the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of
funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by
August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International
Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with
2003. No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and
mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these
unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the
necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis, according
to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New
 York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's
Burnet Institute.







- Original Message - 





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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: June 03, 2005
14:27





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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals
always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it
isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a
new, but more creative insult please. Izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Behalf Of Lance Muir
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AM
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So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you
hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will
serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

Oh c'mon Izzie, name names. Can you recall just how well the religious
leaders quoted the scriptures? Do I believe that YOU esteem the Scriptures?
I do. Do I also think that you quote it 'religiously'? I do. You are flip,
smart-mouthed and, on occasion, rather unpleasant to read.
- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 04, 2005 10:50
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


 Jesus will undoubtedly one day set the record straight for everyone on how
 important He considers God's Word to be.  That will be a day of woe for
 some. Izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:08 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

 As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of
both.
 (Jesus  Scripture)


 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


  Lance wrote:
   I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
   that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
   to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)
 
  I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
 the
  mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
 you
  think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?
 
  Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
  following passage:
 
  John 10:34-36
  (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
  gods?
  (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
  scripture cannot be broken;
  (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
  world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
 
  Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
  respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
 taught
  that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.
 
  Matthew 5:17-18
  (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
 not
  come to destroy, but to fulfil.
  (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one
  tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 
  Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey
those
  expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.
 
  Matthew 23:2-3
  (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
  (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
 but
  do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
 
  So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those
who
  greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
  think it would be evil legalism to do so?
 
  Peace be with you.
  David Miller.
 
 
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 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

I agree totally, Lance. Let's just tell men not to impregnate women and
see if that flies.  I'm sure it will do a lot to change hearts and lives.
Meanwhile, for those who aren't listening, let's change laws to protect the
innocent unborn. Izzy

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Was there ever a time when...Yes, there was.

Abortion. Have you read 'Freakonomics'? Look at his 'take' on abortion. Yes
I do have a solution. Starting with yourself and, working outward, tell men
not to get women pregnant who will not carry the pregnancy to term. Is this
a joke? It is not!


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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 04, 2005 08:56
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


 Lance wrote:
  I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from
  DM to DH, for global issues.

 I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high.  In
 fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either.  I'm in one
of
 those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take
 care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern
 myself with issues across the other side of the globe.  I hope one day
that
 I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know
 how to add global issues to it.  My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts
1,
 where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in
 Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  Historically there was
a
 progression in maturity from things local to things global.  I think
perhaps
 that you are older than me.  Was there ever a time in your life when you
 were not concerned enough with things global?

 Lance wrote:
  To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond
  my comprehension.

 What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through
 abortion?  Do you have a solution to this problem?  Are you concerned
about
 it?  I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion.  Don't you think
 we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the
 problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.


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[ShieldsFamily]

And you are a breath of fresh air, Lance.  A joy and delight. Blessings. (PS
I wasn't being flip, but utterly sincere.)

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Oh c'mon Izzie, name names. Can you recall just how well the religious
leaders quoted the scriptures? Do I believe that YOU esteem the Scriptures?
I do. Do I also think that you quote it 'religiously'? I do. You are flip,
smart-mouthed and, on occasion, rather unpleasant to read.
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Sent: June 04, 2005 10:50
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


 Jesus will undoubtedly one day set the record straight for everyone on how
 important He considers God's Word to be.  That will be a day of woe for
 some. Izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:08 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

 As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of
both.
 (Jesus  Scripture)


 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


  Lance wrote:
   I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
   that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
   to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)
 
  I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
 the
  mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
 you
  think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?
 
  Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
  following passage:
 
  John 10:34-36
  (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
  gods?
  (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
  scripture cannot be broken;
  (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
  world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
 
  Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
  respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
 taught
  that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.
 
  Matthew 5:17-18
  (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
 not
  come to destroy, but to fulfil.
  (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one
  tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 
  Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey
those
  expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.
 
  Matthew 23:2-3
  (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
  (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
 but
  do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
 
  So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those
who
  greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
  think it would be evil legalism to do so?
 
  Peace be with you.
  David Miller.
 
 
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[Charles Perry Locke]

Lance, if you are going to state that David's citations demonstrate a 
misreadng, please provide some evidence of such and allow David to respond.


Perry the Moderator


From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:08:12 -0400

As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of 
both.

(Jesus  Scripture)


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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


 Lance wrote:
  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

 I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
the
 mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
you
 think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

 Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
 following passage:

 John 10:34-36
 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
 gods?
 (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
 scripture cannot be broken;
 (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
 world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
 respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
taught
 that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

 Matthew 5:17-18
 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
not
 come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or 
one

 tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey 
those

 expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.

 Matthew 23:2-3
 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
 (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but
 do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those 
who

 greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
 think it would be evil legalism to do so?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.


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Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

Why?
- Original Message - 
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Subject: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



 Lance, if you are going to state that David's citations demonstrate a
 misreadng, please provide some evidence of such and allow David to
respond.

 Perry the Moderator

 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:08:12 -0400
 
 As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of
 both.
 (Jesus  Scripture)
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
 
 
   Lance wrote:
I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)
  
   I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name
into
 the
   mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.
Don't
 you
   think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?
  
   Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in
the
   following passage:
  
   John 10:34-36
   (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye
are
   gods?
   (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
   scripture cannot be broken;
   (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
   world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
  
   Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
   respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
 taught
   that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.
  
   Matthew 5:17-18
   (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am
 not
   come to destroy, but to fulfil.
   (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
 one
   tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
  
   Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey
 those
   expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as
legalists.
  
   Matthew 23:2-3
   (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
   (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and
do;
 but
   do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
  
   So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those
 who
   greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those
who
   think it would be evil legalism to do so?
  
   Peace be with you.
   David Miller.
  
  
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Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Charles Perry Locke]

Because if you can not support your claims, they are likely false, and 
bearing false witness...well...you know.



From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:38:36 -0400

Why?
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 04, 2005 11:37
Subject: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



 Lance, if you are going to state that David's citations demonstrate a
 misreadng, please provide some evidence of such and allow David to
respond.

 Perry the Moderator

 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:08:12 -0400
 
 As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of
 both.
 (Jesus  Scripture)
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
 
 
   Lance wrote:
I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)
  
   I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name
into
 the
   mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.
Don't
 you
   think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?
  
   Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in
the
   following passage:
  
   John 10:34-36
   (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye
are
   gods?
   (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
   scripture cannot be broken;
   (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into 
the

   world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
  
   Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he 
illustrates

   respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
 taught
   that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.
  
   Matthew 5:17-18
   (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am
 not
   come to destroy, but to fulfil.
   (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot 
or

 one
   tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
  
   Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey
 those
   expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as
legalists.
  
   Matthew 23:2-3
   (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
   (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and
do;
 but
   do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
  
   So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it 
those

 who
   greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those
who
   think it would be evil legalism to do so?
  
   Peace be with you.
   David Miller.
  
  
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Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Lance Muir]

There is no false witness being 'borne' here, CPL. I've been reading David
for a long, long, long while. He has a way of parsing definite articles. I
already know what David would say in response to my 'supportive arguments'.
So then, as I bear up under your mutual monologues with the Mormons, you can
tolerate my 'read' of David's very distinctive theological 'bent'.


- Original Message - 
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 04, 2005 11:41
Subject: Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


 Because if you can not support your claims, they are likely false, and
 bearing false witness...well...you know.

 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
 Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:38:36 -0400
 
 Why?
 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: June 04, 2005 11:37
 Subject: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
 
 
  
   Lance, if you are going to state that David's citations demonstrate a
   misreadng, please provide some evidence of such and allow David to
 respond.
  
   Perry the Moderator
  
   From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
   Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:08:12 -0400
   
   As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading
of
   both.
   (Jesus  Scripture)
   
   
   - Original Message -
   From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
   
   
 Lance wrote:
  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

 I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name
 into
   the
 mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.
 Don't
   you
 think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

 Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does
in
 the
 following passage:

 John 10:34-36
 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said,
Ye
 are
 gods?
 (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and
the
 scripture cannot be broken;
 (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into
 the
 world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he
 illustrates
 respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he
also
   taught
 that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

 Matthew 5:17-18
 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:
I
 am
   not
 come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one
jot
 or
   one
 tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and
obey
   those
 expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as
 legalists.

 Matthew 23:2-3
 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
 (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe
and
 do;
   but
 do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it
 those
   who
 greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it
those
 who
 think it would be evil legalism to do so?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.


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Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Judy Taylor]

Let me get this straight - IYO it is the duty of 
America as a nation to go in and try to heal the epidemic
of violence and Aids in the Congo with what?? 
Just how does the gospel of the Kingdom cover a situation
such as this? 
jt

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:09:29 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why? It is the gospel of the kingdom, that's 
  why.
  
From: Judy Taylor 

Lance why are you so busy judging nations? 
The Lord is the one who will take care of that in His time.
We are supposed to be examining ourselves to see if 
WE are in the faith so that we will be on the right side
when He returns. jt

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:18:23 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  If this was a source of oil Kevin, your 
  country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 

These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 
million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When 
  (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be 
  faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 
  'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland 
  security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand 
  thingy, Iz.
  
  You want serious? I'll give you serious! 
  Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die 
  every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of 
  these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of 
  age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 
  million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end 
  of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other 
  conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll 
  exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 
  dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
  (70,000)
  
  Despite this, the international community 
  has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. 
  During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its 
  activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the 
  United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have 
  declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent 
  confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain 
  elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous 
  facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary 
  will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the 
  latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based 
  International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
    Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: 
    [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried 
and true names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s 
“McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirSent: Friday, 
June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
    [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in 
Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans 
proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well 
enough! I'd have though as 
much.


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[Judy Taylor]

JD/Perry what about the fact that some (possibly 
including Gary) hold to a doctrine that teaches them that the
spiritual gifts Jesus gave to the Church are not for 
today - that they died out with the last apostle - as senseless
as that may be. A person like that would not 
accept a genuine prophet in their midst, nor would they be
qualified to evaluate the gift operating through them 
which would make their opinion on the subject without
foundation and pointless. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:12:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  Youknow , Perry, if you are going to get serious with 
  this -- what about "liar" and Deegan. Or just about ANYTHING 
  Izzy says to anyone on the "left? You strike me as being fair 
  minded -- but you areheaded across the line -- big 
  time. As far as David being a false prophet -- tons of 
  evidence on that , Perry. Does not mean that he IS a false prophet 
  -- but it does mean that Gary's opinion is not unsupported. 
  
  JDFrom: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  Gary, To call someone's 
  comments a "myth" (even without any evidence) expresses your unsupported 
  opinion. But, your parenthetical comment equates David to a false prophet. 
  Rather than level such an ad hominem attack, please provide exidence to 
  support your claim or retract it.Perry the 
  moderatorFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]myth 
  (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense for 
  manipulativepersonal reasons or as does the author, 
  below)On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David 
  Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: 
  ..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we 
  do.--"Let your speech be always with 
  grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every 
  man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[knpraise]

does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! Shall we follow your example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don?t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[knpraise]

What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:58:11 -0400Subject: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD/Perry what about the fact that some (possibly including Gary) hold to a doctrine that teaches them that the
spiritual gifts Jesus gave to the Church are not for today - that they died out with the last apostle - as senseless
as that may be. A person like that would not accept a genuine prophet in their midst, nor would they be
qualified to evaluate the gift operating through them which would make their opinion on the subject without
foundation and pointless. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:12:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



Youknow , Perry, if you are going to get serious with this -- what about "liar" and Deegan. Or just about ANYTHING Izzy says to anyone on the "left? You strike me as being fair minded -- but you areheaded across the line -- big time. As far as David being a false prophet -- tons of evidence on that , Perry. Does not mean that he IS a false prophet -- but it does mean that Gary's opinion is not unsupported. 

JDFrom: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Gary, To call someone's comments a "myth" (even without any evidence) expresses your unsupported opinion. But, your parenthetical comment equates David to a false prophet. Rather than level such an ad hominem attack, please provide exidence to support your claim or retract it.Perry the moderatorFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense for manipulativepersonal reasons or as does the author, below)On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: ..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
 ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

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[Judy Taylor]

JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside 
from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly 
that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than 
scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To 
me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. 
jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
  prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to 
  be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm 
  thedifference. 
  
  JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  JD/Perry what about the fact that some (possibly 
  including Gary) hold to a doctrine that teaches them that the
  spiritual gifts Jesus gave to the Church are not for 
  today - that they died out with the last apostle - as senseless
  as that may be. A person like that would not 
  accept a genuine prophet in their midst, nor would they be
  qualified to evaluate the gift operating through them 
  which would make their opinion on the subject without
  foundation and pointless. jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:12:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


Youknow , Perry, if you are going to get serious with 
this -- what about "liar" and Deegan. Or just about 
ANYTHING Izzy says to anyone on the "left? You strike me as 
being fair minded -- but you areheaded across the line -- 
big time. As far as David being a false prophet -- 
tons of evidence on that , Perry. Does not mean that he IS a false 
prophet -- but it does mean that Gary's opinion is not 
unsupported. 

JDFrom: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Gary, To call someone's 
comments a "myth" (even without any evidence) expresses your unsupported 
opinion. But, your parenthetical comment equates David to a false prophet. 
Rather than level such an ad hominem attack, please provide exidence to 
support your claim or retract it.Perry the 
moderatorFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]myth 
(false prophets speak of JC in the past tense for 
manipulativepersonal reasons or as does the author, 
below)On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David 
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]writes: 
..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we 
do.--"Let your speech be always with 
grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every 
man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not 
want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell 
him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
and he will be subscribed.

  

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[ShieldsFamily]

This is
so very funny!!!













Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the
enlightenment) 

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[knpraise]

And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced belwow in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? 

But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

JD

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[Judy Taylor]

Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours 
because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his 
spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and 
grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and 
Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes 
about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word 
"myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have 
missed. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:42:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced 
  below in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about 
  what I actually write? But more than that aside 
  - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in 
  these brothers. So who decides? You or me? 
  Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 
  
  JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside 
  from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
for
  either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly 
  that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
  what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than 
  scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). 
  To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
  honest is not a litmus test either. 
  jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to 
be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm 
thedifference. 

JD
  

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[knpraise]

First of all, I thought you were responding to my words, since you included them in your response -- callme crazy. Secondly, are you tryng to tell me that nothing written by Gary was (is) biblical -- all of it was rock and roll? Are you trying to convince me that the Bishop from the North only speaks of movies? That seems to be what you just said. There is no point in going onwith this discussionif that is your "recollection." What is your claim against these two men, once again? NOTHING but rock and roll and the movies? Is that what you just said? 

JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:06:15 -0400Subject: Re: Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I have missed. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:42:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" referenced below in my wording - not that anyone one rigth really cares about what I actually write? But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because aperson can be honestly deceived so being 
honest is not a litmus test either. jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What does this have to do with anything? I believe in prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to confirm thedifference. 

JD

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[ShieldsFamily]

They are definitely that! ROFL! Iz

















But more than that aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is
exactly waht I see in these brothers.





JD

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[Judy Taylor]

I'd like to see something of substance that is in line 
with God's Word (not doctrines of men) written by either of them on a subject we 
have discussed on TT. If you search the archives I think you will find 
that they both excelin criticism and their own opinion which is OK if this 
is what they want to contribute.However, this will notqualify 
themas discerning disciples  jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:27:05 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  First of all, I thought you were responding to my words, since you 
  included them in your response -- callme crazy. 
  Secondly, are you tryng to tell me that nothing written by Gary was (is) 
  biblical -- all of it was rock and roll? Are you trying to 
  convince me that the Bishop from the North only speaks of movies? 
  That seems to be what you just said. There is no point in going 
  onwith this discussionif that is your "recollection." 
  What is your claim against these two men, once again? NOTHING but 
  rock and roll and the movies? Is that what you just 
  said? JD
  
  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  
  Gary  Lance are referenced in my wording not 
  yours because they are two of the three who are most critical of David Miller 
  and his spiritual gift. I'd be interested in some examples of the 
  rooting and grounding (in God's Word) that you perceive in the writings of 
  both Lance and Gary JD. Lance is an expert in old movies and this is 
  what he writes about. Gary is taken up with his own writings, those of Bob 
  Dylan, and the word "myth" ... So how about giving me some examples of what I 
  have missed. jt
  
  On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:42:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


And where, pray tell, do you see "Gary" or "Lance" 
referenced below in my wording - not that anyone one rigth 
really cares about what I actually write? But more than that 
aside - being rooted and grounded in Wod's Wod is exactly 
waht I see in these brothers. So who decides? You or 
me? Or maybe we just agree to live and let live. 

JDFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]



JD it is impossibleto "try the spirits" aside 
from being rooted and grounded in God's Word which is not true 
for
either Lance or Gary. Lance claims repeatedly 
that we can not know anything (because of the enlightenment) 
and
what comes from Gary's computer is more Dylan than 
scripture (out of the abundance that fills the heart the mouth 
speaks). To me this has everything to do with everything because 
aperson can be honestly deceived so being 

honest is not a litmus test either. 
jt

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 13:07:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  What does this have to do with anything? I believe in 
  prophecy, Judy.And I have known a few honest people who claim 
  to be prophets. And I believe in testing the spirits to 
  confirm thedifference. 
  
  JD

  

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[Dave]

DAVEH:   Hmm..So why did you not quote my posts about Izzy's 
beauty as an example???


David Miller wrote:

We are looking for posts with substance, 
 


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[ttxpress]

prophetsare 
unambiguous; conjecture is not prophecy, conjecturists are not 
prophets

ftr, your original 
comment, below,promotes a false, ambiguousidea of JC which you can 
not defend truthfully by defending your self

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:32:36 -0400 "David Miller" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:David Miller wrote: ... Jesus also respected 
Scripture the way that we do. Gary wrote: myth 
(false prophets speak of JC in the past tense||
 
[DavidM:] If I had spoken in the present tense 

||

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[Terry Clifton]

Judy Taylor wrote:

  
  
  Where they hacked to death by other
believers in their church services JD? If they are christians then I
rejoice
  with them that they are now at a better
place. Do you think God expects every believer to be responsible for
  every other believer no matter in
whatcountry in the world JD?Should we hire the CIA to keep us up
with what is
  going on?
  

==
To hear that brothers and sisters in Christ are being killed for no
other reason but that they worship the true God, and then say "That's
not my problem" is about as cold hearted and unloving as anything you
could say, Judy. I generally agree somewhat with what you say, but you
are way off base this time. I suggest you get on your knees and beg
God to help these brothers and sisters.
Terry

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[Judy Taylor]

I have no idea what is going on in the Congo Terry, and 
I suggest that you don't either. Not really. I've had enough going 
on here in my own home for the past two weeks to keep 
me more than busy. I'm sorry you thinkI am cold
hearted and unloving but Istill need the 
confirmation and witness of the Holy Spirit before begging God to do something 
when He knows the details much better than me .. Don't you think He is able to 
put it on the heart of some intercessor if that is what it would take? 
jt


Terry writes:
To hear that brothers and sisters in Christ are being killed for no other 
reason but that they worship the true God, and then say "That's not my problem" 
is about as cold hearted and unloving as anything you could say, Judy. I 
generally agree somewhat with what you say, but you are way off base this 
time. I suggest you get on your knees and beg God to help these brothers 
and sisters. Terry

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:25:54 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Judy Taylor wrote: 
  
Where they hacked to death by other believers in 
their church services JD? If they are christians then I rejoice 
with them that they are now at a better place. Do 
you think God expects every believer to be responsible for every other believer no matter in whatcountry in the 
world JD?Should we hire the CIA to keep us up with what is 
going on?
==

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[knpraise]

They ( Then) why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor . Well, this is perhaps the most upsetting of my discussions here on TT. I really have nothing more to say. 

We have virtually nothing in common. You will not believe me, but I am going to think about what has just happened, do some praying (part of it will be "intercessory" as we call it in the land of the Charismata) and return. 

John Smithson





On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:54:58 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



What I believe, Judy, is that your response is one of the more bazaar comments entertained here on TT. 
In my book, David's " children sent to hell " comment is number 1; 

jt: What on earth are you talking about JD - Solomon?

this is number 2, for the time being. You ask a question to which the answer would have absolutely no meaning to you -- so why ask? I mean, dead is dead -- right? 

jt: I have no idea what you are referring to or talking about - what was the question?

We are not going to even entertain a benevolent emotion because they are better off dead anyway!!! 

jt: Your words not mine and again, I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to.

That is not only nasty but gross and disgusting. Yeah !!! It most definitely is not the widom of God. On one hand we beat the banner for action in Iraq. I am one who, thus far, thinks intervention in Iraq is a good thing. But, for me, we should be there for the same reasons we should be in Durfar and the Congo and so on. The fact that we are not in the Congo or Durfar is evidence , to me, that humanitarian concerns had nothing to do with our going to Iraq. I believe that the people of that country benefitted from our hypocricy anyway.

jt: It's good that you have opinions about all this JD. I don't since I am not in the position to know all details
I leave that to the ppl God has placed in authority - the ones who make these kinds of decisions.

A position that ignores the blight of the poor and hungry finds people without a divine awareness, per Is 58:9-11.

jt: They why did Jesus blow it off by telling the disciples they would always have the poor among them?I guess he
must have been void ofdivine awareness also.

What is critical in the Is 58 passage is the fact that the disciple is pictured as one who is searching for God, but finding Him only when a number of realities are entertained in his life - not the lest of which is the outpouring for the hungre and and afflicted. Jd

jt: No JD; it is dealing with the sin in their lives as a whole - it is not playing God to the whole globe. jt

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[Kevin Deegan]

You are so confused.

I can not decide whether you puroposefully misrepresent my beliefs or if you are just not able to comprehend them.



Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What I said concerning JM still stands. I'd not expect you to do the necessary legwork to establish this so, why not return to the issue that precipitated the comparison? Most of the Bibles on the globe are neither KJV nor are they KJV derivatives. You do know this do you not? I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

- Original Message - 

From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 16:36
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Senator McCarthy 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Recently declassified Soviet-era documents have, in fact, confirmed that Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. State Department in the 1930s and 1940s

He was right all along!
So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?
Answer here ___
Or is it you that is hurling?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work

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[Kevin Deegan]

So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?

Answer here 

SeeLance dance
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What I said concerning JM still stands. I'd not expect you to do the necessary legwork to establish this so, why not return to the issue that precipitated the comparison? Most of the Bibles on the globe are neither KJV nor are they KJV derivatives. You do know this do you not? I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

- Original Message - 

From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 16:36
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Senator McCarthy 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Recently declassified Soviet-era documents have, in fact, confirmed that Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. State Department in the 1930s and 1940s

He was right all along!
So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?
Answer here ___
Or is it you that is hurling?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God

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[Kevin Deegan]

One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo 


So What are you doing about it? Hypocrit!

MT 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


If this was a source of oil Kevin, your country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.

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From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 16:52
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.


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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer because it is not important. Right!

What gets it DONE JD?
Tell us how you do it.

Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
Just come out and admit it, you are DOING _[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.


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[Kevin Deegan]

MT 23 "for they say, and do not."
TALK is Cheap.
Tell us what you are DOING, not just what you are talking, JD  Lance.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance wrote: I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into the mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don't you think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the following passage:John 10:34-36(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;(36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?Besides Jesus demonstrating here
 that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he also taught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.Matthew 5:17-18(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.(18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.Matthew 23:2-3(2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:(3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or
 is it those who think it would be evil legalism to do so?Peace be with you.David Miller. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Terry Clifton]

Judy Taylor wrote:

  
  
  
  I have no idea what is going on in the
Congo Terry, and I suggest that you don't either. Not really. I've
had enough going on here in my own home
for the past two weeks to keep me more than busy. I'm sorry you
thinkI am cold
  hearted and unloving but Istill need the
confirmation and witness of the Holy Spirit before begging God to do
something when He knows the details much better than me .. Don't you
think He is able to put it on the heart of some intercessor if that is
what it would take? jt

===

Let me ask a question, Judy. Do you pray about your problems at home,
or has the Holy Spirit not led you to do that?

  
  I have a friend there who is a missionary in Africa, Judy. His
parents are in our home church. Let me suggest that I know what goes
on there and since there is nothing else I can do, I pray about it.
Let me also suggest that you do not want to know about the troubles of
others, part of the reason being that you have your own problems to
deal with.
  

If you ever solve those problems at home, you might want to read about
the good Samaritan. Jesus will point out plainly to you just who is
your neighbor. The Pharisees could not entertain the thought of God
loving some some foriegner as much as He loved them. They weren't
about to love some stranger as they loved themselves. I hope that is
not the case with you, 'cause it was sin then and it is sin now.

I am sorry that I saw you as cold hearted and unloving too. It was a
big disappointment.
Terry

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[ShieldsFamily]

Neither Lance nor JD has been one bit helpful today in suggesting 
concrete ways in which we can cure the ills of the Congo. I am sorely 
disappointed. Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 
DeeganSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:28 PMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
Bible Quiz

I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer because 
it is not important. Right!

What gets it DONE JD?
Tell us how you do it.

Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
Just come out and admit it, you are DOING 
_[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. 
  Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 
  
  JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
  Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  

  
  These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million 
  fatalities since the crisis began in August
  
  Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
  Talk is cheap!Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  






It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in 
print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to 
one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' 
He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout 
for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in 
the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are 
accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add 
daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis 
began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC 
conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in 
terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 
250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
(70,000)

Despite this, the international community has 
failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 
2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities 
had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency 
for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% 
when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as 
many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. 
In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet 
mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the 
crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New 
York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
Institute.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  Oh, good 
  grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and 
  true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s 
  ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
  Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  So then Kevin, in 
  Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in 
  the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have 
  though as 
  much.
  
  
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[Kevin Deegan]

myth[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



myth (false prophetsspeak ofJC in the past tense formanipulative personal reasons or asdoes the author, below)

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

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[Kevin Deegan]

I've found a total lack of concern 

Here is your opportunity to FLAP your gums.

In what way have you demonstrated your Concern Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don’t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You’re really “out there” my friend. And your concerns about the Congo—what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It’s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet
 Institute.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


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Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

Because everyone sees your baseless accusations for what they are.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why?- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: June 04, 2005 11:37Subject: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Lance, if you are going to state that David's citations demonstrate a misreadng, please provide some evidence of such and allow David torespond. Perry the Moderator From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:08:12 -0400  As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both. (Jesus  Scripture)  
 - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Lance wrote:I was simply alluding to those on TT who believethat God 'incarnated' in book form as opposedto a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my nameinto the   mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.Don't you   think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does inthe   following passage:
 John 10:34-36   (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Yeare   gods?   (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the   scripture cannot be broken;   (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the   world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates   respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he also taught   that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18   (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: Iam not   come to destroy, but to fulfil.   (18) For verily I say unto you, Till
 heaven and earth pass, one jot or one   tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those   expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label aslegalists. Matthew 23:2-3   (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:   (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe anddo; but   do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who   greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it thosewho   think it would be evil legalism to do so? Peace be with
 you.   David Miller.   --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that youmay know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.   -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org  If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

Translation:

Lance is saying "There is no wayI can support any of this"

Dance Lance Dance

Don't look now but maybe you have the GIFT of Prophecy.
Lance said "I already know"
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no false witness being 'borne' here, CPL. I've been reading Davidfor a long, long, long while. He has a way of parsing definite articles. Ialready know what David would say in response to my 'supportive arguments'.So then, as I bear up under your mutual monologues with the Mormons, you cantolerate my 'read' of David's very distinctive theological 'bent'.- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: June 04, 2005 11:41Subject: Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Because if you can not support your claims, they are likely false, and bearing false witness...well...you know. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:
 <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Subject: Re: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:38:36 -0400  Why? - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: June 04, 2005 11:37 Subject: Moderator commant: Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz   Lance, if you are going to state that David's citations demonstrate a   misreadng, please provide some evidence of such and allow David to respond. Perry the Moderator From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV
 Bible Quiz   Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:08:12 -0400  As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreadingof   both.   (Jesus  Scripture) - Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>   Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz   Lance wrote:  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) I wouldn't
 use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into   the mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don't   you think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus doesin the following passage: John 10:34-36 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said,Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, andthe scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into
 the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, healso   taught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:I am   not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, onejot or   one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.   
  Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen andobey   those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists. Matthew 23:2-3 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observeand do;   but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those   who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is itthose who think it would be evil legalism to do so?  
   Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, thatyou may   know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an emailto   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If youhave a   friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --   "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that
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[Kevin Deegan]

Are you asking Lance ALSO?
He is a little backed up with questions he is avoiding.
Get in Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! Shall we follow your example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don?t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet
 Institute.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

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[knpraise]

To my shame, I am much more inclined to go 2nd grade with you, Kevin. Lance and Gary simply do not spend much time returning insults -- and I am constantlyhaving to hold myself back. If you really were concerned for their answers, they would give answer. But when their words will be twisted and used against them NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID -- well what is the point. You are here on TT just for the fight and nothing else. Virtually all of your posts are about the fight -- complete with insults and the most uncaring presentation of anyone on this forum. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:32:05 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Are you asking Lance ALSO?
He is a little backed up with questions he is avoiding.
Get in Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! Shall we follow your example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don?t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSu

Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Judy Taylor]

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:37:43 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Judy Taylor wrote: 
  
I have no idea what is going on in the Congo Terry, 
and I suggest that you don't either. Not really. I've had enough 
going on here in my own home for the past two 
weeks to keep me more than busy. I'm sorry you thinkI am 
cold
hearted and unloving but Istill need the 
confirmation and witness of the Holy Spirit before begging God to do 
something when He knows the details much better than me .. Don't you think 
He is able to put it on the heart of some intercessor if that is what it 
would take? jt
  ===Let 
  me ask a question, Judy. Do you pray about your problems at home, or has 
  the Holy Spirit not led you to do that?
  
  Yes Terry, I pray and seek the Lord about what goes 
  on in my home, my family, and my community.
  I have a friend there who is a missionary in Africa, Judy. 
  His parents are in our home church. Let me suggest that I know 
  what goes on there and since there is nothing else I can do, I pray about 
  it. Let me also suggest that you do not want to know about the troubles 
  of others, part of the reason being that you have your own problems to deal 
  with.
  
  The Congo is one nation and Africa is a big landmass 
  Terry; the church we attend has missionaries in several
  of these and some have been to our church to tell in 
  person how they had to leave their home and belongings
  for reasons of safety. They had testimonies of grace; 
  God was there for them even without my prayers as surprising as that may 
  be.
  If you ever solve those problems at home, you might want to read about 
  the good Samaritan. Jesus will point out plainly to you just who is your 
  neighbor. 
  
  Yeah! I've read it lots of times Terry and my 
  neighbor is the guy who was robbed and thrown in a ditch down the street, not 
  over on another continent. My mother in Australia is always lamenting 
  the fact that I can't do much for her in her old age because I live here and 
  when there are problems and she does not have access to a telephone I am at 
  the mercy of those who are there in 
  person.
  
  The Pharisees could not entertain the thought of God loving some some 
  foriegner as much as He loved them. They weren't about to love some 
  stranger as they loved themselves. I hope that is not the case with you, 
  'cause it was sin then and it is sin now.
  
  I hope you are not judging me Terry because that is 
  every bitas much a sin. Jesus said to "judge with righteous 
  judgment"I am sorry that I saw you as cold hearted and unloving 
  too. It was a big disappointment.Terry
  

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[Judy Taylor]

I agree Kevin that preaching and teaching the gospel of 
the Kingdom is the answer but I don't think this is the
kind of help Lance refers to since this is not 
primarily the ministry of the US Government. jt

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Go into all the world and.Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

Let me get this straight - IYO it is the duty of 
America as a nation to go in and try to heal the epidemic of violence and Aids in the Congo with what?? Just how 
does the gospel of the Kingdom cover a situation such as this? jt

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:09:29 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Why? It is the gospel of the kingdom, that's 
  why.
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 

Lance why are you so busy judging 
nations? The Lord is the one who will take care of that in His 
time. We are supposed to be examining 
ourselves to see if WE are in the faith so that we will be on the right 
side when He returns. 
jt

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:18:23 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  If this was a source of oil Kevin, your 
  country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.
  
From: Kevin Deegan 

These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 
million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? 
  When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! 
  Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the 
  great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like 
  homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head 
  in the sand thingy, Iz.
  
  You want serious? I'll give you 
  serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand 
  people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and 
  nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under 
  five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative 
  total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 
  1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict 
  worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in 
  terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and 
  Darfur in Sudan (70,000)
  
  Despite this, the international 
  community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the 
  crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the 
  United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while 
  contributions by the United Sates Agency for International 
  Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when 
  compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed 
  as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming 
  level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the 
  international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will 
  or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the 
  latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based 
  International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 
14:27
    Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: 
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Oh, 
good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those 
old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn’t 
“Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative 
insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirSent: 
Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
    

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[ShieldsFamily]

I guess I just have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the
whole thing!  It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson.  I can just
see him laughing up his sleeve.  Of course it's probably true, with him
being in the construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If
he has one!) Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD I really don't care
what's missing!)Izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:16 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 
a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, he is just now 
telling us? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he

is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos,

so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity

at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your 
comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 
no sensitivity at all.

Perry

From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500

Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we 
known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not
as moderator.

 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on
 us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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[Lance Muir]

This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done 
the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the 
fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no 
real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun 
intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the 
counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who 
worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be 
God.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not 
  possibly be God's word.
  It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters 
  lies!
  
  The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is 
  required of us and that we might DO IT!
  
  Tell me what you make of that observation.
  Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is 
  based on the Recieved text.
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

It is wise for one to remember that the Word of 
God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do 
not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the 
Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just 
imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to 
see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up 
like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or 
portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are 
carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you 
make of that observation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  the work of Catholic 
  scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit 
  cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman 
  Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of 
  the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese 
  in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five 
  million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the 
  Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council 
  of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported 
  that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation 
  of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a 
  new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, 
  Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new 
  religion for thinking men that will 
  universalize that religion for the world and 
  lead us into a new age."
  Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 
  The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the 
  Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given 
  an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, 
  Massachusetts
  HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the 
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the 
  Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible 
  Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida 
  says, "... God’s revelation involved limitations. ... 
  Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is 
  essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in 
  words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... 
  The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. 
  ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and 
  Mission, p. 222-228).
  Kurt Aland "This idea of 
  verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and 
  inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant 
  traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus 
  with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously 
  secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem 
  of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). 
  
  BEWARE of these new versions!
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees 
using the most recent 

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[David Miller]

Kevin wrote:
 The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we
 may know what is required of us and that we might
 DO IT!

The Bible is not the sole witness of what is required of us, Kevin.  Jesus 
promised us the Spirit, not the Bible.  Please try to remember that. 
Teaching a relationship with Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit is not 
contrary to the Bible.

Let me ask you this question.  Suppose we just cut out the last chapter of 
Mark out of the KJV Bible?  Would that book that now has error in it because 
some of it was removed still be able to be used to share Christ and help 
cause people to receive the Spirit and know what is required of them and 
what they should do?

Let me ask you another question.  Suppose a man believes upon the Lord 
through the preaching of the Word of God, but he has no Bible?  The man 
lives a year without any Bible at all, but he prays and seeks to do what is 
right before the Lord.  Frequently other men come and preach and teach to 
him the truth of God, but the man still has never read the Bible.  He relies 
upon information he receives from those preachers and teachers who walk in 
the Truth and have the Word of God written on their hearts.  By faith and 
the Spirit this man also receives the Word of God written upon his heart by 
a work of God.  Would you think that such a man could not be saved because 
he has no Bible based upon the Received Text?

Kevin wrote:
 Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would
 have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.

What do you think of modern versions that are based upon the Received Text, 
such as Jay Green's Literal Translation and the Modern King James Version 
(please do not confuse the MKJV with the New King James Version)?   See 
http://www.sovgracepub.com/bibles/MKJV.htm for more information on the MKJV.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God’s revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ...

Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Terry Clifton]

David Miller wrote:

  Kevin wrote:
  
  
The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we
may know what is required of us and that we might
DO IT!

  
  
The Bible is not the sole witness of what is required of us, Kevin.  Jesus 
promised us the Spirit, not the Bible.  Please try to remember that. 
Teaching a relationship with Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit is not 
contrary to the Bible.

Let me ask you this question.  Suppose we just cut out the last chapter of 
Mark out of the KJV Bible?  Would that book that now has error in it because 
some of it was removed still be able to be used to share Christ and help 
cause people to receive the Spirit and know what is required of them and 
what they should do?

Let me ask you another question.  Suppose a man believes upon the Lord 
through the preaching of the Word of God, but he has no Bible?  The man 
lives a year without any Bible at all, but he prays and seeks to do what is 
right before the Lord.  Frequently other men come and preach and teach to 
him the truth of God, but the man still has never read the Bible.  He relies 
upon information he receives from those preachers and teachers who walk in 
the Truth and have the Word of God written on their hearts.  By faith and 
the Spirit this man also receives the Word of God written upon his heart by 
a work of God.  Would you think that such a man could not be saved because 
he has no Bible based upon the Received Text?
  

===
Might we not look at it this way? God can use any Bible available to
reveal Himself to any person, any where, or God can reveal Himself with
no Bible at all. Anyone who knows the power of God knows that this is
not only possible, but has been done many times. 
The problem with some versions is not that God cannot use them, but
that Satan can. Satan can take some of the new versions and use them
to preach a different Gospel and a different Savior, eg:Judith.
Admittedly, he can do the same with the KJV, but not as easily.
Just something to think about.
Terry

[Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Judy Taylor]

Could we be in the midst of the "great falling away" 
that has been prophesied?
Gaining entrance to the Kingdom is one thing, being 
able to receive strong meat and to stand is another.
I sure wouldn't presume anything including your 
fascination with so called "Book worship." You sound more
like a bibliophile than anyone else writing to TT at 
present.  jtLance Muir 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've 
done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to 
the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself 
have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The 
reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from 
a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of 
you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing 
to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

  From: Kevin Deegan 
  
  The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not 
  possibly be God's word.
  It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS 
  utters lies!
  
  The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is 
  required of us and that we might DO IT!
  
  Tell me what you make of that 
  observation.
  Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible 
  that is based on the Recieved text.
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

It is wise for one to remember that the 
Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His 
(God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your 
role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN 
THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself 
able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to 
be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the 
Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you 
believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. 
Tell me what you make of that observation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
      [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  the work of Catholic 
  scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit 
  cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the 
  Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 
  1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies 
  Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the 
  world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is 
  Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical 
  Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of 
  European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article 
  reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic 
  convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the 
  world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In 
  addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to 
  synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will 
  universalize that religion for the world and 
  lead us into a new age."
  Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 
  1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated 
  edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman 
  authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by 
  Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
  HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the 
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was 
  the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United 
  Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical 
  inspiration, Nida says, "... God’s revelation involved 
  limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute 
  and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... 
  Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until 
  it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense 
  nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless 
  related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 
  222-228).
  Kurt Aland "This idea

Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

As far as the holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth,
Please see my previous posts on illumination

If the foundation is corrupt then goeth the rest.
The WH text is hopelessly corrupt on the face of it. This is prima facae evidence against the Critical text. Just look, on it's face multiple handwritings, multiple corrections, missing sections, missing verses, multiple erasings No need to delve deeper. I see nothing pure about such a text.
Here is the evidence.
http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.html#cor

Prov 30 Verse 5 "Every Word of God is PURE" 
I ask again would your bank accept a check with multiple handwritings, overwritings, deletions and insertions?

I accept other translations based on the PURE text the TR
BUT sometimes there is hanky panky going on such as the NKJV which claims to be a slight updating of the language and is not. They lie that "NKJV makes the KJV even better" It contains the corrupt readings of the Critical text in many places. Someone is trying to slip someone a Mickey!

Thomas Nelson Co. that is SELLING this, I wonder why they change 2 Co 2:17 form "For we are not as many, which corrupt the Word of God" 
(CORRUPT changed to Peddling)

There were (Bible Perverts) corrupters of the word, in Paul's day, in the garden  they still exist today!

Jer 23:36 ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote: The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!The Bible is not the sole witness of what is required of us, Kevin. Jesus promised us the Spirit, not the Bible. Please try to remember that. Teaching a relationship with Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit is not contrary to the Bible.Let me ask you this question. Suppose we just cut out the last chapter of Mark out of the KJV Bible? Would that book that now has error in it because some of it was removed still be able to be used to share Christ and help cause people to receive the Spirit and know what is required of them and what they should do?Let me ask you another question. Suppose a man believes upon the Lord through the preaching of the Word of God, but he has no Bible? The man
 lives a year without any Bible at all, but he prays and seeks to do what is right before the Lord. Frequently other men come and preach and teach to him the truth of God, but the man still has never read the Bible. He relies upon information he receives from those preachers and teachers who walk in the Truth and have the Word of God written on their hearts. By faith and the Spirit this man also receives the Word of God written upon his heart by a work of God. Would you think that such a man could not be saved because he has no Bible based upon the Received Text?Kevin wrote: Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.What do you think of modern versions that are based upon the Received Text, such as Jay Green's Literal Translation and the Modern King James Version (please do not confuse the MKJV with the New King James Version)? See
 http://www.sovgracepub.com/bibles/MKJV.htm for more information on the MKJV.Peace be with you.David Miller. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[David Miller]

Kevin, you never answered me about modern English versions that are not 
based upon the WH text. How do you feel about them?

David.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Christine Miller]

 Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God
 uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when
 conveying His word?

Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses,
including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UF
Pagans several times when I was preaching to draw
crowds and ask important questions. It is certainly a
Biblical princible that God can and does use evil for
His own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkey
being a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers sold
him into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God used
it. 

I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaks
of some preaching Christ in envy and strife. Paul
just rejoices at this: What then? notwithstanding,
every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is
preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will
rejoice. And I think I feel the same way. I do not
like the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation,
and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why I
prefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is a
bible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't like
it, but Christ is still being preached through it and
therein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.   

Blessings


--- Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 the Lord can and does use His word in all its
 translations
  
 Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God
 uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when
 conveying His word?
  
 God has used Donkeys, in the past.
 
 
 Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
 word in all its translations, including the NIV with
 its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have
 found
 that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
 NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
 college students by my side use the translation.
 These
 friends of mine have led people to Christ with the
 NIV
 Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does
 use
 the errant translations.
 
 But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
 translation does not mean that any and every
 translation retains merit. God can use evil for
 good,
 as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. 
 
 Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't
 clear
 up a translation's flaws.
 
 Blessings!
 
 (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
 the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails
 up
 to your eye balls. :-) ) 
 
 --- Lance Muir wrote:
 
  It is wise for one to remember that the Word of
 God
  is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
  His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
  Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the
 Spirit
  of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
  THE KJV! Just imagine!
  
  Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to
 see
  every believer at once on the entire globe.
 Imagine
  them to be lit up like a little light. Then,
 imagine
  yourself able to see the Bible (or portion
 thereof)
  they had with them. How many of them do you
 believe
  are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
  remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
  observation.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  the work of Catholic scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
  their head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
  the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since
 1967,
  has been one of the editors of the United Bible
  Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in
 Europe
  is the largest in the world, with two thousand
  priests and five million laity. He is Professor
 of
  New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
  Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President
 of
  the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A
 Time
  magazine, article reported that Martini brought
  together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
  religious leaders from around the world to promote
 a
  new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
  meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, We need to
  synthesize a new religion for thinking men that
 will
  universalize that religion for the world and lead
 us
  into a new age.
  Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
  Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
  1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
  the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
  was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal
 Cushing,
  Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
  
  HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
  translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of
 the
  Translations Department of the United Bible
  Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
  biblical inspiration, Nida says, ... God's
  revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
  revelation is not absolute and all divine
 revelation

Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

[Kevin Deegan]

The Bible is not the sole witness BUT it is a safe bet for you KNUCKLE HEADS that have PRIVATE DOCTRINES.

If your doctrine goes against the Word of God, I'll take the Bible everytime. It is the safe bet. Not some Prophet, not some spirit, not some teaching!

IS 8:20 "If they speak not according to this word, THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM" 
God says "NO LIGHT"!
This is not to say that God can not reveal things in other ways.
BUT 
Whatever is revealed BETTER LINE UP WITH WHAT HE ALREADY REVEALED in the word!!
1 CO 14 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1 JN 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Ignore at your own peril, for thus starts most Heresies
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Miller wrote: 
Kevin wrote:
  
The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we
may know what is required of us and that we might
DO IT!

The Bible is not the sole witness of what is required of us, Kevin.  Jesus 
promised us the Spirit, not the Bible.  Please try to remember that. 
Teaching a relationship with Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit is not 
contrary to the Bible.

Let me ask you this question.  Suppose we just cut out the last chapter of 
Mark out of the KJV Bible?  Would that book that now has error in it because 
some of it was removed still be able to be used to share Christ and help 
cause people to receive the Spirit and know what is required of them and 
what they should do?

Let me ask you another question.  Suppose a man believes upon the Lord 
through the preaching of the Word of God, but he has no Bible?  The man 
lives a year without any Bible at all, but he prays and seeks to do what is 
right before the Lord.  Frequently other men come and preach and teach to 
him the truth of God, but the man still has never read the Bible.  He relies 
upon information he receives from those preachers and teachers who walk in 
the Truth and have the Word of God written on their hearts.  By faith and 
the Spirit this man also receives the Word of God written upon his heart by 
a work of God.  Would you think that such a man could not be saved because 
he has no Bible based upon the Received Text?
  ===Might we not look at it this way? God can use any Bible available to reveal Himself to any person, any where, or God can reveal Himself with no Bible at all. Anyone who knows the power of God knows that this is not only possible, but has been done many times. The problem with some versions is not that God cannot use them, but that Satan can. Satan can take some of the new versions and use them to preach a different Gospel and a different Savior, eg:Judith. Admittedly, he can do the same with the KJV, but not as easily.Just something to think about.Terry__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com