RE: [U2] Steve Cashman
Larry, Thanks. Steve is in hospital - I'm trying to get hold of his assistant to get this sorted. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 25 February 2006 20:25 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Steve Cashman Y'all are just lucky I was up at midnight last night when these started coming in and blocked them. Otherwise, there would have been THOUSANDS in your mailboxes this morning ;-) Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louie Bergsagel Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Steve Cashman You'd think something so simple would be part of any list server. Maybe we need to write an mvListserver... On 2/24/06, Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing March 6. Just a hunch. I think that the list server should/could detect these and terminate. Otherwise, they could spin out of countrol. Mark Johnson - Original Message - ... Does anyone know when Steve Cashman will be back in the office? ... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE:Merging Unique
P.S. We actually use this as a quick way of removing duplicates from a list, i.e. MERGE.LIST 0 UNION 0, as it's very quick. Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Coelho, Gregory Sent: 26 February 2006 00:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE:Merging Unique Hey, I want 1st say thanks for all the help in the past - it is certainly a factor in why I still have a job! Can anyone let me know how I can merge using Union and be guaranteed that I have not pulled in any duplicate elements? I know I can SAVING UNIQUE when constructing a SAVE.LIST to ensure no duplicate ID's. Can I do something similar when merging? Thanks, Greg --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ** The contents of this e-mail are subject to contract in all cases and William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates make no contractual commitment save where confirmed by hard copy. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates. We accept no liability, including liability for negligence, in respect of any statement in this e-mail. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, may be subject to legal privilege and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. Please note that William Hill can accept no responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any emails and their attachments. This message was from William Hill PLC whose registered office is Greenside House, 50 Station Road, Wood Green, London N22 7TP. Company Registration Number: 4212563 England. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE:Merging Unique
Greg, MERGE.LIST removes all duplicates and sorts the keys, it's a feature of how it is implemented. Cheers, Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Coelho, Gregory Sent: 26 February 2006 00:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE:Merging Unique Hey, I want 1st say thanks for all the help in the past - it is certainly a factor in why I still have a job! Can anyone let me know how I can merge using Union and be guaranteed that I have not pulled in any duplicate elements? I know I can SAVING UNIQUE when constructing a SAVE.LIST to ensure no duplicate ID's. Can I do something similar when merging? Thanks, Greg --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ** The contents of this e-mail are subject to contract in all cases and William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates make no contractual commitment save where confirmed by hard copy. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of William Hill PLC, its subsidiaries or affiliates. We accept no liability, including liability for negligence, in respect of any statement in this e-mail. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential, may be subject to legal privilege and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately, then delete this e-mail. Please note that William Hill can accept no responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any emails and their attachments. This message was from William Hill PLC whose registered office is Greenside House, 50 Station Road, Wood Green, London N22 7TP. Company Registration Number: 4212563 England. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE:Merging Unique
What the advantage of the MERGE.LIST is it will sort/merge ANYTHING in the lists, whereas SELECT will only lists that are @ID's. So, you could say: SELECT SOMEFILE SAVING UNIQUE EMAILS TO 1 SELECT SOMEOTHERFILE SAVING UNIQUE EMAILS TO 2 MERGE.LIST 1 UNION 2 SAVE.LIST BIGEMAILLIST And it would be sorted (not by domain), and there won't be a duplicate George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy Baum Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:30 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] RE:Merging Unique Greg, MERGE.LIST removes all duplicates and sorts the keys, it's a feature of how it is implemented. Cheers, Andy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Expressions of Interest - Troy MI
G'day, Just thought I would go on a fishing trip to see if there are any entrepreneurial individuals, or companies that may be interested in working on an opportunity in this region. Travel will be involved with remote sites in Texas, Georgia, Ohio Arizona - we have a solution that we can provide remote training support for, but need to have feet on the streets. If successful, may present interesting growth opportunities. Interested? Drop an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (also consider people in other states listed) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Trouble writing to a file w/ trigger over NFA
I'm having trouble writing to a file opened with NFA. The file has an update trigger, and I get: WRITING TO RECORD TEST IN AS1.PERSON Unable to open any log files. Unable to open any log files. ERROR WRITING TO TEST IN AS1.PERSON Unable to open any log files. Unable to open any log files. Unable to open any log files. : (The two uppercase lines are my CRT statements.) I can write to a plain file (no trigger) with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Wendy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [UD] Escaping a Quote
Unidata 6.1: Is there a way to escape a character in a SELECT literal? Though I can't see it in the documentation, I know you can quote with the or \ characters, but what if the literal contains both and \ characters? What then? Or what if the value contains a ^ or [ or ? that aren't to be interpreted by the query engine? ??? -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] - Java - AJAX
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:57 AM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] - Java - AJAX I expect that they will post it in the near term at www.javasig.com. Ben demo'd AJAX techniques by coding from scratch with the IntelliJ IDE on a Mac notebook, in front of the ~250 attendees there, an AJAX zip code lookup thing. He talked about synchronous vs asynchronous client-host communications. He talked about Google maps. While it seems to be the best location mapping software, and although there have been a lot of oohs and ahhs from the market, he demoed some reverse-engineered 250 lines of code to do Google maps can be written by mere mortals in two hours. While I care about Swing a lot, most of the attendees were more interested in web-browser clients. To wrap up, Ben mentioned the dilema choosing between say Swing and AJAX. Ben indicated that at Sun and other places, people are working on frameworks for filthy-rich clients. Thus, even though the browser clients can be made to be more robust via AJAX techniques, multi-media Java tools and clients having much more oomph and are expected to appear by say September-2006. I like Swing-clients for in-house use and browser-clients for remote users. Ben highlighted some of the advanced features of Mozilla's Firefox useful to AJAX developers. Following his meeting at Redmond, Ben indicated that Microsoft does not expect to have some of this functionality available to the public for maybe one year. --Bill So, based on all of that I get the feeling that: 1) Microsoft is not going to remove the 'read-only' aspects of important DOM elements that everyone has been complaining about and that every other browser supports. 2) The market still won't admit that web browsers have a _lot_ of limitations when implemented as user interfaces. Instead, it's best to keep re-molding the same technologies until enough people put it into commercial products. Then it can be called a mainstream technology and the market can be changed by direct force. Gah. I'm totally sick of web development. Just building a navigation structure that won't break in situation Z is a total PITA these days. And NOooo, you can't have just a plain-jane text-based web site anymore. It has to be intuitive and visually appealing. Whatever happen to plain `ole cross-the-board-functionality? I guess the good `ole days went out when the browser wars started. :/ Glen --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UD] Escaping a Quote
If my memory serves me I believe you can do something like this: EQU QT = char(39) EQU DQT = char(34) then do: VAR2 = \DQT:QT:VAR1:QT:DQT\ At least something similar. Karl quote who=Kevin King Unidata 6.1: Is there a way to escape a character in a SELECT literal? Though I can't see it in the documentation, I know you can quote with the or \ characters, but what if the literal contains both and \ characters? What then? Or what if the value contains a ^ or [ or ? that aren't to be interpreted by the query engine? ??? -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- karl _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ __o _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _-\._ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ (_)/ (_) _/ _/ _/ _/ .. _/ _/ arl _/_/_/ _/ earson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- IT Director, ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. http://www.atsindustrial.com Toll-free: 800-789-9300 x29 Direct2Desk: 801-978-4429 Facsimile: 801-972-3888 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UD] Escaping a Quote
You can use single quotes in the SELECT statement. Example: SELECT FILE.NAME WITH @ID EQ '1234' will select the record with an id equal 1234 in quotes. (I tried it and it worked) Dana Baron System Manager Smugglers' Notch Resort -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UD] Escaping a Quote Unidata 6.1: Is there a way to escape a character in a SELECT literal? Though I can't see it in the documentation, I know you can quote with the or \ characters, but what if the literal contains both and \ characters? What then? Or what if the value contains a ^ or [ or ? that aren't to be interpreted by the query engine? ??? -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Universe: Version and serial number
How do I get version and serial number from a UniVerse AIX installation? I am drawing a blank here. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number
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Re: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman
Is anybody else receiving duplicate emails from this weekend? I have received this same email 3 times since Saturday. Vance Alspach J L Industrial Supply Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/2006 07:51 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman Does anyone know when Steve Cashman will be back in the office? Nick Cipollina Pick Programmer ACS Heritage, Inc. 2810 North Parham Road, Suite 210 Richmond, VA 23294 (804)965-8294 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] dup emails rec'd
Not only are they duplicate, but one of the dup emails from me had a *different subject* text than when I originally sent the message!!?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman Is anybody else receiving duplicate emails from this weekend? I have received this same email 3 times since Saturday. Vance Alspach J L Industrial Supply Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/2006 07:51 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman Does anyone know when Steve Cashman will be back in the office? Nick Cipollina Pick Programmer ACS Heritage, Inc. 2810 North Parham Road, Suite 210 Richmond, VA 23294 (804)965-8294 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number
Will give you the license (serial) number. To get the version, at TCL .l RELLEVEL Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: CONFIG ALL from TCL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 27/02/2006 18:10:30: How do I get version and serial number from a UniVerse AIX installation? I am drawing a blank here. --- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Steve Cashman
Hi Brian, I've already unsubscribed him from the lists on Saturday evening (my time), so we shouldn't be seeing any more of these. --Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:58 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Steve Cashman Larry, Thanks. Steve is in hospital - I'm trying to get hold of his assistant to get this sorted. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: 25 February 2006 20:25 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Steve Cashman Y'all are just lucky I was up at midnight last night when these started coming in and blocked them. Otherwise, there would have been THOUSANDS in your mailboxes this morning ;-) Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louie Bergsagel Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Steve Cashman You'd think something so simple would be part of any list server. Maybe we need to write an mvListserver... On 2/24/06, Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing March 6. Just a hunch. I think that the list server should/could detect these and terminate. Otherwise, they could spin out of countrol. Mark Johnson - Original Message - ... Does anyone know when Steve Cashman will be back in the office? ... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number
snip How do I get version and serial number from a UniVerse AIX installation? I am drawing a blank here. /snip At the TCL prompt, enter CONFIG... that will give you the serial number. Then do a .L RELLEVEL at the TCL. This will give you version/release number as well as flavor information. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman
Yes and it is driving me crazy. It's like watching TV the week after sweeps week! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman Is anybody else receiving duplicate emails from this weekend? I have received this same email 3 times since Saturday. Vance Alspach J L Industrial Supply Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/25/2006 07:51 AM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman Does anyone know when Steve Cashman will be back in the office? Nick Cipollina Pick Programmer ACS Heritage, Inc. 2810 North Parham Road, Suite 210 Richmond, VA 23294 (804)965-8294 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman
Yes, it is pretty annoying, isn't it? -Dianne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody else receiving duplicate emails from this weekend? I have received this same email 3 times since Saturday. Vance Alspach J L Industrial Supply --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - [U2] Steve Cashman
This happened with another email list I was on, where all current and former subscribers to the University of Washington's World Dance list were getting every email that was sent to the list server. And when they sent TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST!!! email to the list server, that also went to every current and former subscriber. It was quite frustrating to some, but I thought it was hilarious, and sent that thought to the list server, which broadcast it to everyone. Many people replied saying they appreciated my take on the situation, and I met several fine people that day, from as far away as Cornell (he used to live in Seattle). So let me repeat myself: Chill! This is fun! Maybe Steve our U2UG will take us all out to dinner! Or he'll pay us $1.23 for every email we forward to Bill Gates. *:)* -- Louie Bergsagel On 2/27/06, Dianne Ackerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it is pretty annoying, isn't it? -Dianne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody else receiving duplicate emails from this weekend? I have received this same email 3 times since Saturday. Vance Alspach J L Industrial Supply --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Changes to mail list configurations
We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing these past few days. There have been two primary problems (one of which has resulted in old mail getting reposted to the list several days after it was originally posted). The first problem, which I know EVERYONE has seen first hand is the proliferation of out of the office replies to the list from brain-dead mailers. The other problem is that we have been seeing an inordinately large number of bounce messages from various smtp servers indicating that mail could not be delivered due to too many hops, indicating a mail loop. A common cause of mail loops is smtp servers that don't understand the difference between an envelope address and a 'reply-to' address. To alleviate these problems, we have made a change to the configuration of all of the u2ug hosted mailing lists (u2-users, u2-community, rbsolutions and sbsolutions, and all of their digests) to remove the 'reply-to' header from all outgoing list messages. What does this mean to you? It means this: * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response will go ONLY to the original sender of the message. * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original sender AND back to the list. This means that you will need to pay a little more attention to how you reply to messages. It also means that you may end up receiving two copies of responses to any message you post: one from the list, and one directly from the responder. This also means that 'out of office' replies should be sent ONLY to the the originator of any given messages, NOT back to the list. The more you post to the list, the more you'll hear from Mr. Cashman ;-) We apologize for any confusion this may cause, but we felt it was necessary, and a reasonable trade-off to help alleviate the other issues. Regards, Larry Hiscock Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - RE: [U2] Steve Cashman
There is another option. Don't use auto-response messages. After all if the people in your office don't know you're gone then you've got to start interfacing more with the people you work with. If they don't notice when you're gone then they probably don't notice when you're there. - Original Message - From: Glen B [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: [U2] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses - RE: [U2] Steve Cashman It's not as simple as you might think. There have been long heated discussions about how to deal with vacation auto-responders on lists - including Majordomo. In the end, there's 2 options: 1) A subject filter that drops all messages with out of the office and away on vacation somewhere in the subject. That will also kill real postings with the strings in them. Also, various away responders may have different subject styles so the rules you implement may only work 50% of the time. As the list grows, the chances of a variety of vacation clutter grows. 2) The second option, which is typical for people who openly use mailing lists, is to set up your auto-responder to not send 'away' replies to e-mail addresses that are mailing lists. That can be done with partial address matching or by specifying the e-mail addresses manually. It only takes one step, by you or your mail admin, and it's dealt with for good. It would be great if people in very active lists, like U2-users, took the time to exclude their list subscriptions from their auto-responders. Glen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louie Bergsagel Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Steve Cashman You'd think something so simple would be part of any list server. Maybe we need to write an mvListserver... On 2/24/06, Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing March 6. Just a hunch. I think that the list server should/could detect these and terminate. Otherwise, they could spin out of countrol. Mark Johnson - Original Message - ... Does anyone know when Steve Cashman will be back in the office? ... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] - Java - AJAX
I share Glen's frustration with the increasing dependency on browsers and increasing complexity being built into them. I'll add a decreasing appreciation for the effort required to support this technology. This results in many people expecting that just because everyone has a browser on their desktop that creating a rich client experience is somehow easy, low-cost, and/or fast to develop. Thankfully our clients have more realistic expectations than some of the people who don't sign with us for development services. I've started a low-noise, content-oriented blog which has a lot of info on Ajax, GUI development, .NET, and other topics. I will continue to provide insight and code to assist others doing similar work. removethisNebula-RnD.com/blog Until further notice, I have a login process to enter the blog site. The user is blog, password is tony. This is just to deter unwelcome visitors until I'm sure the site is production quality. Please read the initial Welcome note and follow the links for more info. If you'd like to comment you must Register using the link on the main page. Complete info for registration and using the site is available from the How to use this Site link on the main page. Comments always welcome. Thank you kindly, Tony TG@ removethisNebula-RnD.com (Again, I mask domain names to avoid spam since these forums are open to email address harvesting and subsequent increases in spam - sorry for the inconvenience but it works.) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UD] Escaping a Quote
In a SELECT literal? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:02 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Escaping a Quote If my memory serves me I believe you can do something like this: EQU QT = char(39) EQU DQT = char(34) then do: VAR2 = \DQT:QT:VAR1:QT:DQT\ At least something similar. Karl quote who=Kevin King Unidata 6.1: Is there a way to escape a character in a SELECT literal? Though I can't see it in the documentation, I know you can quote with the or \ characters, but what if the literal contains both and \ characters? What then? Or what if the value contains a ^ or [ or ? that aren't to be interpreted by the query engine? ??? -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- karl _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ __o _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _-\._ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ (_)/ (_) _/ _/ _/ _/ .. _/ _/ arl _/_/_/ _/ earson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- IT Director, ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. http://www.atsindustrial.com Toll-free: 800-789-9300 x29 Direct2Desk: 801-978-4429 Facsimile: 801-972-3888 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Re: Trouble writing to a file over NFA
On 2/27/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm having trouble writing to a file opened with NFA. The file has an update trigger, and I get: Unable to open any log files. Well, it's not the trigger. I switched to the backup server, and saw the same result. Then I removed the trigger, and I *still* can't write to the PERSON file. What else could be different about two files that would make it possible to write to one but not the other? I'm picking files at random, setting up FX type VOC pointers and testing whether I can read and write with NFA. Some I can, some, I can't... and so far I don't see a pattern. Any ideas, even random guessing, is appreciated. (Yes, I'm trying to avoid calling my VAR. They don't use NFA, and it was hard enough to get them to sell it to us in the first place.) Thanks, -- Wendy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response go? Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution. I think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution can be found. Tony Larry Hiscock wrote: We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing these past few days. ... What does this mean to you? It means this: * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response will go ONLY to the original sender of the message. * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original sender AND back to the list. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Unusually, I agree with Tony. Perhaps we should have talked on the list before making a change like this? Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response go? (I'm resending this post precisely because the original was mailed incorrectly due to the change.) Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution. I think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution can be found. Tony Larry Hiscock wrote: We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing these past few days. ... What does this mean to you? It means this: * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response will go ONLY to the original sender of the message. * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original sender AND back to the list. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Re: Trouble writing to a file over NFA
On 2/27/06, Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm picking files at random, setting up FX type VOC pointers and testing whether I can read and write with NFA. Some I can, some, I can't... and so far I don't see a pattern. Any ideas, even random guessing, is appreciated. (Yes, I'm trying to avoid calling my VAR. They don't use NFA, and it was hard enough to get them to sell it to us in the first place.) We figured it out. The files I can't write to have one thing in common: indices on I-Descriptors that run Datatel-specific Envision code. That code won't run if the environment isn't properly set up. And I have no idea how to make FR.JUMPSTART and ENVINIT run as part of an NFA connection. :::sigh::: All this because we could never get ODBC to work from Unix. Workaround in progress... writing to a temporary file and then processing it from the Unix side where the envionment will be correct. -- Wendy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change. My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder. Regards --- ** _/ ** David Logan *** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database *_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd _/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273 _/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665 *_/ ** ** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street, _/ ** Adelaide SA 5001 Australia invent --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 8:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response go? Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution. I think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution can be found. Tony Larry Hiscock wrote: We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing these past few days. ... What does this mean to you? It means this: * If you click 'reply' to respond to a list message, your response will go ONLY to the original sender of the message. * If you click 'reply to ALL', your reply will go to BOTH the original sender AND back to the list. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] - Java - AJAX
On 2/27/06, Brutzman, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect that they will post it in the near term at www.javasig.com. Ben demo'd AJAX techniques by coding from scratch with the IntelliJ IDE on a Mac notebook, in front of the ~250 attendees there, an AJAX zip code lookup thing. He talked about synchronous vs asynchronous client-host communications. He talked about Google maps. While it seems to be the best location mapping software, and although there have been a lot of oohs and ahhs from the market, he demoed some reverse-engineered 250 lines of code to do Google maps can be written by mere mortals in two hours. While I care about Swing a lot, most of the attendees were more interested in web-browser clients. To wrap up, Ben mentioned the dilema choosing between say Swing and AJAX. Ben indicated that at Sun and other places, people are working on frameworks for filthy-rich clients. Thus, even though the browser clients can be made to be more robust via AJAX techniques, multi-media Java tools and clients having much more oomph and are expected to appear by say September-2006. I like Swing-clients for in-house use and browser-clients for remote users. I was a Swing/java person and have started learning PHP, JavaScript, xhtml, css. I put a little beginner example out there (running with OpenQM) with all of the source code at http://webdev.tincat-group.com/mewsings/personEmail.html I referred to this as End-to-end AJAX in my blog entry http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings/2006/01/who-ordered-ripple-delete.html . I like the AJAX approach and I do see it is now viable to write rich browser-based applications, but I'll admit it is no small thing to accomplish browser-independence. Cheers! --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote: This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response go? Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution. I think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution can be found. Tony For once, Tony, I totally agree with you All U2 list postings are now going to my trash bucket Please put it back to how it was... The knee jerk goes too far t'other way Larry Hiscock wrote: We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing these past few days. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 27/02/06 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 27/02/06 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] - Java - AJAX
Glen: You're a better man than I, being able to work with all these technologies! I've given up. People don't want what they say they want, nor do they want to minimize costs and maximize profit. Thanks to the educational system and current culture everything is now form over substance. :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor [snipped] Gah. I'm totally sick of web development. Just building a naviga- tion structure that won't break in situation Z is a total PITA these days. And NOooo, you can't have just a plain-jane text- based web site anymore. It has to be intuitive and visually appealing. Whatever happen to plain `ole cross-the-board- functionality? I guess the good `ole days went out when the browser wars started. :/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is a relatively minor change and the dark side of the force seem to be gathering strength against it. The list headers still have the u2ug address in them and your rules should still apply. If not, then change them so they do! Perhaps the dark side haven't really explained themselves well but I can't understand what the fuss is about. There seem to be a number of hypotheticals that assume people are incapable of managing change. I would note again, this is NOT a unique list situation. This is in fact, a more common setup than one thinks. Perhaps somebody could subscribe to the Sun Managers list, one does not reply to the list, only to the sender and the sender then publishes a summary, or perhaps one or two of the MySQL lists which use exactly this system. All lists to which I subscribe use their own methods for managing the reply, you just get used to them. The subscribers to these lists seem to handle the situation quite well. In fact, I note recent posters to this list, have all managed to reply to the list without issue and my outlook rules have placed their messages in the correct folder. Regards --- ** _/ ** David Logan *** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database *_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd _/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273 _/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665 *_/ ** ** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street, _/ ** Adelaide SA 5001 Australia invent --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 9:57 AM To: Tony Gravagno; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote: This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person - and we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my response go? Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term solution. I think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard solution can be found. Tony For once, Tony, I totally agree with you All U2 list postings are now going to my trash bucket Please put it back to how it was... The knee jerk goes too far t'other way Larry Hiscock wrote: We have made some changes to the mailing list configuration files in an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been experiencing these past few days. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 27/02/06 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release Date: 27/02/06 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Logan, David wrote: Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change. My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder. Regards Well, our experience is just different. Seems a little silly to have manual procedures to conform to some list software doesn't it? Now when I do get a double posting from this forum, since they both have [U2] and other common markers, all mail gets to my U2 List folder. I'd rather not change my filters until someone here decides which way the wind will blow. As an example of how this reply-all policy is not working: I don't send directly to the list, I send through a remailer so that my e-mail address isn't broadcast to the world. But that shouldn't matter to anyone else, and it never has. Now, I need to manually paste the right e-mail address into the To field. I'll accept this as something unique to me if indeed it is, but again, I don't need to do this for any other lists - how about just getting some listserver software that works like DadaMail? (http://mojo.skazat.com/ free, open source, feature rich, well supported, popular...) It also looks like the list is accepting mail from unauthorized mail sources. I think I accidentally posted mail from an address not subscribed to the list. I dunno if this is new or not. Without digging through headers I can't tell exactly what happened and I don't have time for such things. T --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
A) I don't understand why you would have to change anything to send your email to the list through a remailer. B) the list does NOT accept email from unsubscribed users. I manually approved your recent post that was sent from an unsubscribed address because I felt it was germaine, and I didn't want to wait for a bounce/reply/re-post cycle. Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations Logan, David wrote: Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change. My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder. Regards Well, our experience is just different. Seems a little silly to have manual procedures to conform to some list software doesn't it? Now when I do get a double posting from this forum, since they both have [U2] and other common markers, all mail gets to my U2 List folder. I'd rather not change my filters until someone here decides which way the wind will blow. As an example of how this reply-all policy is not working: I don't send directly to the list, I send through a remailer so that my e-mail address isn't broadcast to the world. But that shouldn't matter to anyone else, and it never has. Now, I need to manually paste the right e-mail address into the To field. I'll accept this as something unique to me if indeed it is, but again, I don't need to do this for any other lists - how about just getting some listserver software that works like DadaMail? (http://mojo.skazat.com/ free, open source, feature rich, well supported, popular...) It also looks like the list is accepting mail from unauthorized mail sources. I think I accidentally posted mail from an address not subscribed to the list. I dunno if this is new or not. Without digging through headers I can't tell exactly what happened and I don't have time for such things. T --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) wrote: Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly creeping upward, but this doesn't mean we can't absorb change. My outlook filter still managed to get this into the correct folder. One list I subscribe to doesn't include the list address in posted messages, so you can't even use the reply-all option and have to key in the list address. The current setup of the U2 list is at least a little easier. This particular debate has been going on for many years, and for those unfamiliar, see The Great Reply-to Debate section at this link: http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/mailing-lists.html There are pros and cons both ways. I can only add that, based on my own experience with other lists, I got used to the posting method of the particular list fairly quickly even when I found it initially inconvenient. -John -- John Hester System Network Administrator Momentum Group Inc. (949) 833-8886 x623 http://memosamples.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
David:
I'm reminded of the building contractor who, when asked why there's no lock
on the front and back doors, replies that none of the other doors in the
house have locks on them...besides, you'll get used to it.
It is a constant in the IT industry that we are all forced to overcome the
lack of rationality and simplicity. (I see where I need to change the TO
address when I click reply otherwise the reply goes to you, unless I
remember to click the Reply to All button and remove you so as to not
remind you of the consequences of responding to the list). :-)
soapbox
This could be worse, but aren't we all tired of dealing with this constant
bull$%!t of taking different paths to process similar events (email
receipt). I couldn't care less what Sun or MySql does; the MV market was
built on rationality not inconvenient standards de'jour, so why should we
have to twiddle with a simple reply due to some technical reason?
Argh.
/soapbox
Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData conversion
project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use U2
and any MV developer would use UniData. I'm sure I'll get over this soon
though. :-)
Bill
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:58 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is a relatively minor change and the dark side of the
force seem to
be gathering strength against it. The list headers still have the u2ug
address in them and your rules should still apply. If not, then change
them so they do!
Perhaps the dark side haven't really explained themselves well but I
can't understand what the fuss is about. There seem to be a number of
hypotheticals that assume people are incapable of managing change.
I would note again, this is NOT a unique list situation. This is in
fact, a more common setup than one thinks. Perhaps somebody could
subscribe to the Sun Managers list, one does not reply to the
list, only
to the sender and the sender then publishes a summary, or
perhaps one or
two of the MySQL lists which use exactly this system.
All lists to which I subscribe use their own methods for managing the
reply, you just get used to them. The subscribers to these
lists seem to
handle the situation quite well. In fact, I note recent
posters to this
list, have all managed to reply to the list without issue and
my outlook
rules have placed their messages in the correct folder.
Regards
---
** _/ ** David Logan
*** _/ *** ITO Delivery Specialist - Database
*_/* Hewlett-Packard Australia Ltd
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_/ _/ _/ _/ Desk: +618 8408 4273
_/ _/ _/_/_/ Mobile: 0417 268 665
*_/ **
** _/ Postal: 148 Frome Street,
_/ ** Adelaide SA 5001
Australia
invent
---
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 9:57 AM
To: Tony Gravagno; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote:
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters,
remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create
confusion
when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are
going to think
they're responding to a list when they're responding to some person -
and
we might start seeing ongoing inquiries about hey, where did my
response
go? Sorry folks but I don't believe this is a good long-term
solution. I
think we should go back to the way it was until a more standard
solution
can be found.
Tony
For once, Tony, I totally agree with you All U2 list postings are
now
going to my trash bucket
Please put it back to how it was... The knee jerk goes too
far t'other
way
Larry Hiscock wrote:
We have made some changes to the mailing list
configuration files in
an attempt to reduce some of the problems we have been
experiencing
these past few days.
--
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/270 - Release
Date: 27/02/06
Regards,
Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
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Australia
http://www.taloncs.com.au
Tel: +61 (0)411149636
Fax: +61 (0)260232119
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RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
quote
I couldn't care less what Sun or MySql does; the MV market was
built on rationality not inconvenient standards de'jour, so why should
we
have to twiddle with a simple reply due to some technical reason?
Argh.
/quote
Sadly there is a large world out there that can't be ignored. As Larry
put it, this is the usual way that most lists use. I run a couple of
lists myself and this is normal behaviour.
Perhaps one of the reasons why there aren't that many new people coming
into the u2 arena is encapsulated in the response above. We, as a
community, need to know what else is going on in the world.
Unfortunately taking the insular path does not always work. The love of
rationality has nowt to do with the real world.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:02 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
David:
I'm reminded of the building contractor who, when asked why there's no
lock
on the front and back doors, replies that none of the other doors in the
house have locks on them...besides, you'll get used to it.
It is a constant in the IT industry that we are all forced to overcome
the
lack of rationality and simplicity. (I see where I need to change the
TO
address when I click reply otherwise the reply goes to you, unless I
remember to click the Reply to All button and remove you so as to not
remind you of the consequences of responding to the list). :-)
soapbox
This could be worse, but aren't we all tired of dealing with this
constant
bull$%!t of taking different paths to process similar events (email
receipt). I couldn't care less what Sun or MySql does; the MV market
was
built on rationality not inconvenient standards de'jour, so why should
we
have to twiddle with a simple reply due to some technical reason?
Argh.
/soapbox
Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData
conversion
project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use
U2
and any MV developer would use UniData. I'm sure I'll get over this
soon
though. :-)
Bill
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:58 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is a relatively minor change and the dark side of the
force seem to
be gathering strength against it. The list headers still have the u2ug
address in them and your rules should still apply. If not, then change
them so they do!
Perhaps the dark side haven't really explained themselves well but I
can't understand what the fuss is about. There seem to be a number of
hypotheticals that assume people are incapable of managing change.
I would note again, this is NOT a unique list situation. This is in
fact, a more common setup than one thinks. Perhaps somebody could
subscribe to the Sun Managers list, one does not reply to the
list, only
to the sender and the sender then publishes a summary, or
perhaps one or
two of the MySQL lists which use exactly this system.
All lists to which I subscribe use their own methods for managing the
reply, you just get used to them. The subscribers to these
lists seem to
handle the situation quite well. In fact, I note recent
posters to this
list, have all managed to reply to the list without issue and
my outlook
rules have placed their messages in the correct folder.
Regards
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Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Bill Haskett wrote: Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData conversion project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use U2 and any MV developer would use UniData. Bill I'd like to hear more of this conversion story and the opinions it fostered. Please hit reply :) (in keeping with the situation) Bob Little --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Well, maybe in the spirit of democracy, the U2UG should vote for their preference. I like the new way myself, as it is much harder to accidently email everyone when I just want to respond to the sender, and easier to do both. Before, I would have to cut and paste the sender's name into the to window if I wanted to reply only to them. This is much easier. And if this 53-year-old can remember the new feature, all you youngsters should be able to also! -- Louie On 2/27/06, Bob Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Haskett wrote: Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData conversion project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use U2 and any MV developer would use UniData. Bill I'd like to hear more of this conversion story and the opinions it fostered. Please hit reply :) (in keeping with the situation) Bob Little --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] connection within UniVerse and Oracle
I am trying to establish a connection between UniVerse 10.1 ( aix unix ) and Oracle (Window 2003), has anyone done this before? I was told to either use socket connection or ODBC. It seems that it is not that easy to use socket connection talking to Oracle, so I am thinking of using ODBC? Any ideas. Thanks. Regards Frederick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
- Original Message - From: Mark Ballinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations Well, geez. If we're voting, I vote for the new way. After all . . . http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html (and, yes, I expect the response article will be referred to quickly enough here.) Just about every list I belong to has had this very same discussion. Just about every one has switched to this new way. If your email reader is unable to thread because of this, then I feel sorry for you. --- Well, I'll cast a vote for the new way too. Munging email headers - BAD Munging anything can be dangerous to it's health - LOL I googled 'munge' and the first hit was a link to a page indicating Microsoft dropped the munge.exe find/replace utility from it's Resource Kits - I guess munging just isn't cool anymore ;-) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
