Re: 3g modem issue (MF668)

[Andrew Swinn]

I came across one of those pre-paid modems on a work colleagues computer 
the other day. To get it working in a loan computer it had to be 
'activated' wich is something I don't see in the business versions of 
the modems. Might be something to look at.


Also as a note, we have been testing the Telstra Elite Mifi modems and 
they are awesome. They are only $129 from Telstra shop at the moment and 
as they use wifi to connect locally they are easy to get working 
everywhere. Plud you can move them around the house for best signal 
strength.


Andrew (lurking, lurking)

On 11/06/2011 1:56 AM, Tom Sparks wrote:

We have just got a 3g modem (Telstra prepaid) for our friend's birthday
I think it is a Elite MF668 modem

the modem connect to the network including getting an IP address
the modem sends packets to the network, but dose not get any back

firefox/IE can't connect to google.com.au

the computer also got on his birthday is running Vista business (the best 
option of the two evils)

* I am think they are living in a black spot, they use moblie phones so that 
seams unlikely
* outdate drivers

what else would explain these symptoms?



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Ubuntu laptops!

[Andrew]

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Great news everyone, Kogan has just started selling laptops with 11.04
on them.
Link is below
http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/category/laptops-tablet-pc/
BTW, I don't work for Kogan or have any financial interest in the
company etc etc.  I'm just stoked to have a retailer selling them.
Andrew
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Just a small thing

[Andrew]

I was just having a look through my .bashrc file, as one does, and 
noticed that it has pointers to file locations that don't exist anymore 
like:


# see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc)
# for examples

Would fixing this small detail (ie: removing the line from the file) get 
dealt with through launchpad?


Andrew

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Re: Tech Support (Anthony Edmistone)

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2010-09-14 02:06:21 UTC+1000, Anthony (i.lurve.li...@gmail.com) wrote:

> I'm not entirely sure what Ian Fleming is trying to do.  However I do
> understand the issue with trying to wade through the mailing list
> submissions from Ubuntu-au and I'm wondering why this mail list
> subscription cannot be switched over to a NNTP or Newsgroup server?
> 
> The advantages are that when people respond to a question, it places
> the answers under the original question indented to the right so
> anyone can see it's a response to the first post.

Thunderbird can already do this (tree view, grouping messages by
thread) with email.

View -> Sort by -> Threaded

Mutt also does this.  Also Sylpheed, as I recall.

> It's also a alot easier to search for key words in a newsgroup then
> the mailing list.

Searching for text in email folders using Thunderbird (or Mutt) isn't
difficult.

> And control of who has access to the newsgroup and who does not would
> be much easier.

I don't think you can claim that without first-hand knowledge of the
access control mechanisms made available by the newsgroup and mailing
list software.

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RE: Metrocracy vs democracy

[andrew]

Ryan,

There are two issues here.
1.  How people are appointed.  (Democratic or Meritocracy)
2.  The actual positions up for appointment. (Structure)


The models presented, combine the above which is why I refuse to vote in
the poll because I would be voting for positions and how they are
appointed.  As previously stated by myself (in a different post), once
positions (Structure) can be identified then we can talk about how they
are appointed (but if people want to do it around the other way that's
fine as well). 

APPOINTMENT PROCESS  (It is possible for the two to be combined)

A. Directly elect a BOARD (democratic), who can then appoint on merit
(Meritocracy) people to full-fill the roles. Ie. Web administration Etc.
(as suggested by Colin)

B. Directly elect people (democratic) to pre-defined positions based on
what they have done in the past (merit). 

C. Directly elect ONE person (democratic), who then appoints on merit.

D. ONE person (not elected) who appoints on merit (Meritocracy with zero
accountability).(this is what happens currently) 

 
How an election or appointment is conducted is another matter entirely.
As is the make up of Positions/Roles Ie. 'Board', 'Web masters' Etc.


Maybe the above (A,B,C,D) should be in a Poll ??


Andrew G.


On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 10:42 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> 
> None of us really want a meritocracy, but we want the same structure
> that option 1a gives us. It was named the wrong way apparently, which
> is why you probably think we are all going with a meritocracy, but we
> are not.
> 
> 
> I thought everyone already agreed on a model of election. But it seems
> we haven't just yet, this is something that should be discussed next
> meeting.
> 
> 
> Ryan Macnish
> 
> > Subject: Re: Metrocracy vs democracy
> > From: gande...@gmail.com
> > To: colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:34:05 +1000
> > CC: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> > 
> > Colin,
> > 
> > Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based
> on
> > 'Merit'.
> > 
> > Andrew G.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote:
> > > >> There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected
> to
> > > positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for
> > > positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the
> > > position
> > > and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.
> > > 
> > > Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four
> person
> > > project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has
> > > whipped out of their backyard. 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia.
> This
> > > confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps
> > > inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and
> we
> > > elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not
> there.
> > > There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this:
> > > 
> > > Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution.
> > > Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is
> (nay
> > > should be) transperant. 
> > > Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed.
> While I
> > > can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how
> it
> > > is designed. 
> > > 
> > > Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform
> > > tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you
> will
> > > see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace
> them as
> > > they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most
> if
> > > not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account!
> > > 
> > > Why do people fear a fair election? 
> > > 
> > > Sincerely
> > > 
> > > Colin McDermott
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: Metrocracy vs democracy

[andrew]

Colin,

Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based on
'Merit'.

Andrew G.

On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote:
> >> There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to
> positions based on merit every 12 months.  When people nominate for
> positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the
> position
> and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.
> 
> Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four person
> project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has
> whipped out of their backyard. 
> 
> Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This
> confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps
> inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we
> elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there.
> There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this:
> 
> Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution.
> Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is (nay
> should be) transperant. 
> Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed. While I
> can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how it
> is designed. 
> 
> Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform
> tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you will
> see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace them as
> they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most if
> not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account!
> 
> Why do people fear a fair election? 
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Colin McDermott



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Team Appointment Process - Poll

[andrew]

I have created a poll on the appointment process for team positions.

http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka


HOW TO VOTE CARD

Meritocracy - Keep the current process.

Democracy - Everybody has a say in who is appointed to the leadership
team. 


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Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll

[andrew]

There was no discussion on 'positions' in that meeting.

You are asking me to vote on a model that has 'positions'.

We are really voting on the appointment process.

I have created a poll here  http://www.doodle.com/pn7hyxe77wwr8bka 
 

On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 05:15 -0700, bwright wrote:
> We spent most of the meeting before last on the restructuring so why
> would we repeat it. I will be voting :-)
> On Jun 9, 11:24 am, Jared Norris  wrote:
> > On 9 June 2010 09:36, andrew  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward,
> >
> > > I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following
> > > reasons.
> >
> > > 1.  At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual
> > > positions on the team.
> >
> > > 2.  There has been no discussion on the direction & goals of the team
> > > (of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be
> > > structured & governed)
> >
> > > If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a
> > > 'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy'
> > > process where people are appointed.
> >
> > > Models 1 & 1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are
> > > appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions.  This is the
> > > current model.
> >
> > > Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city
> > > groups.  As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then
> > > this model is irrelevant.
> >
> > > There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to
> > > positions based on merit every 12 months.  When people nominate for
> > > positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position
> > > and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.
> >
> > > As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk
> > > about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process.
> >
> > > This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree.
> >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > > Andrew G.
> >
> > > On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
> > >> Hey everyone,
> >
> > >> So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option,
> > >> although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its
> > >> not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake
> > >> it and want to try my patience, then so be it.
> >
> > >>http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9
> >
> > >> Ryan Macnish
> >
> > >> __
> > >> Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live?
> >
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> > > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com
> > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
> >
> > Andrew and Ubuntu-AU,
> >
> > As far as positions go I thought the meeting basically detailed that
> > to get it going forward we need to first decide what structure people
> > wanted to follow. No one present voiced any objection to this from
> > what I recall. After the structure was determined by the vote we could
> > then look at positions based upon what option people chose. As far as
> > discussing positions within the different structure options I think
> > there is enough detail on the wiki for people to decide what structure
> > is preferred.
> >
> > As far as directions and goals for the team go I thought we already
> > had them, quoted from the wiki "The Australian team focuses on
> > distributing, advertising and demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia.
> > Through the development of our projects we focus on the areas of
> > schools, business and home users".
> >
> > Therefore this vote is the starting point we need to ensure the group
> > is best structured according to what the majority of people think is
> > best suited so that we can move forward with a defined structure. I am
> > sorry that you have chosen not to participate, I respect your
> > decisions but I don't see how that would be constructive. You say this
> > is your opinion not to vote and others will disagree and the whole
> > point of the vote is to get a consensus on everyone's opinions,
> > including yours.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jared Norris.
> >
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Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll

[andrew]

Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward,

I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following
reasons.

1.  At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual
positions on the team. 

2.  There has been no discussion on the direction & goals of the team
(of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be
structured & governed)

If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a
'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy'
process where people are appointed.


Models 1 & 1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are
appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions.  This is the
current model.

Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city
groups.  As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then
this model is irrelevant. 


There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to
positions based on merit every 12 months.  When people nominate for
positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position
and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.

As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk
about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process.


This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree.

Regards,

Andrew G.

   



On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> 
> So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option,
> although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its
> not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake
> it and want to try my patience, then so be it.
> 
> 
> http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9
> 
> 
> Ryan Macnish
> 
> 
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Re: Leadership Structure

[andrew]

Hi Jared & All,

I have placed the 'Leadership Team Positions' in the top section because
if we can talk about what positions are required then we can discuss how
they are "elected/appointed".

I am not implying that all of the positions are needed, this is what the
community needs to talk about and discuss.
They are 'proposed' positions.  
You may not necessarily think that they are required but others might.
Others may make other suggestions.

I will amend the wiki to make this clear.

I left everything else in place because they are 'models'.
I could 'add' positions like 'local Representatives' if you like from
model 3 & 3a.

Regards,

Andrew G.

On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 14:06 +1000, Jared Norris wrote:
> On 19 May 2010 13:37, andrew  wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have updated the wiki on a proposed Leadership structure.
> > I have renamed the original document so it shows up on the main
> > AustralianTeam wiki page.
> >
> > I have borrowed some work from Jared.
> >
> > See. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Proposed-Council-Structure
> >
> >
> > Andrew G.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 23:46 -0700, bwright wrote:
> >> It does not matter what we name it we just need to come to some
> >> conclusion as to what sort of structure we want. Firstly lets map out
> >> what we actually need "leadership" in or what we need organisation
> >> for. We obviously need a contact along with maybe an events manager
> >> and a community manager. We can then have ops and admins etc for the
> >> mailing lists and IRC.
> >>
> >> On May 18, 2:56 pm, andrew  wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > I have stayed quiet over this past week to just see how things develop.
> >> >
> >> > As the Community Council has stated, I quote
> >> > "* Nominate team leadership (be it individual or group) to drive the
> >> > team in a defined direction. Setting goals for the team and developing
> >> > a roadmap can also help here."
> >> >
> >> > So yes a CONTACT person is required (this is the minimum).
> >> > The questions are:
> >> > Should this person be the only one that 'drives the team in a defined 
> >> > direction'?
> >> > Should a group of people be nominated to help 'Drive the team in a 
> >> > defined direction'?
> >> >
> >> > >From these questions more could be asked.
> >> >
> >> > How do we nominate an individual or a group of people as the leadership 
> >> > team?
> >> > What 'Roles' do these people perform?
> >> > What is the defined direction for the leadership team and the community?
> >> >
> >> > FOOD for THOUGHT
> >> > Some people are 'hung-up' (for the need of a better word) on the notion 
> >> > of
> >> > a 'Council' or 'Committee' so lets change it to 'Leadership Team'.
> >> > We have a great example of a 'leadership Team' in the Ubuntu Loco 
> >> > Council.
> >> > It has a defined role of responsibilities 
> >> > seehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/
> >> > Its election process is outlined 
> >> > herehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation
> >> > (under the subheading of Team Council Member Election)
> >> >
> >> > So I guess if we define the direction of the community.
> >> > We can define the 'Role' of the 'leadership Team'.
> >> > We can then define the positions in the 'Leadership Team'.
> >> > Finally the process of filling those positions in the 'leadership Team'.
> >> >
> >> > Now some work on defining positions has already been done on the Wiki,
> >> > but it needs further expansion with your input.
> >> >
> >> > These are just suggestions.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Andrew G.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:11 +1000, Peter Watts wrote:
> >> > > I too have been interested but quiet. I believe that Canonical require
> >> > > us to have a CONTACT person for the community. Apart from and
> >> > > including  this person every member of the community has there right
> >> > > to organise any thing they like to help further Ubuntu

Re: Leadership Structure

[andrew]

Hi All,

I have updated the wiki on a proposed Leadership structure.
I have renamed the original document so it shows up on the main
AustralianTeam wiki page.

I have borrowed some work from Jared.

See. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Proposed-Council-Structure


Andrew G.


On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 23:46 -0700, bwright wrote:
> It does not matter what we name it we just need to come to some
> conclusion as to what sort of structure we want. Firstly lets map out
> what we actually need "leadership" in or what we need organisation
> for. We obviously need a contact along with maybe an events manager
> and a community manager. We can then have ops and admins etc for the
> mailing lists and IRC.
> 
> On May 18, 2:56 pm, andrew  wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have stayed quiet over this past week to just see how things develop.
> >
> > As the Community Council has stated, I quote
> > "* Nominate team leadership (be it individual or group) to drive the
> > team in a defined direction. Setting goals for the team and developing
> > a roadmap can also help here."
> >
> > So yes a CONTACT person is required (this is the minimum).
> > The questions are:  
> > Should this person be the only one that 'drives the team in a defined 
> > direction'?
> > Should a group of people be nominated to help 'Drive the team in a defined 
> > direction'?
> >
> > >From these questions more could be asked.
> >
> > How do we nominate an individual or a group of people as the leadership 
> > team?
> > What 'Roles' do these people perform?
> > What is the defined direction for the leadership team and the community?
> >
> > FOOD for THOUGHT
> > Some people are 'hung-up' (for the need of a better word) on the notion of
> > a 'Council' or 'Committee' so lets change it to 'Leadership Team'.
> > We have a great example of a 'leadership Team' in the Ubuntu Loco Council.
> > It has a defined role of responsibilities 
> > seehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/
> > Its election process is outlined 
> > herehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation
> > (under the subheading of Team Council Member Election)
> >
> > So I guess if we define the direction of the community.
> > We can define the 'Role' of the 'leadership Team'.
> > We can then define the positions in the 'Leadership Team'.
> > Finally the process of filling those positions in the 'leadership Team'.
> >
> > Now some work on defining positions has already been done on the Wiki,
> > but it needs further expansion with your input.
> >
> > These are just suggestions.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew G.  
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:11 +1000, Peter Watts wrote:
> > > I too have been interested but quiet. I believe that Canonical require
> > > us to have a CONTACT person for the community. Apart from and
> > > including  this person every member of the community has there right
> > > to organise any thing they like to help further Ubuntu in Australia.
> > > All that needs to happen is
> > > 1. Have a great idea.
> > > 2. Do a bit of research
> > > 3. Advertise it to the Ubuntu.au family for any help that might be
> > > needed.
> > > 4. Have a great time enjoying your function when it happens.
> >
> > > As long as everyone knows about it and can make there own decision as
> > > to whether they wish to participate, there can be no ill will.
> >
> > > Thanks Watto
> >
> > > On 18 May 2010 00:34, angus  wrote:
> > > Matthew (etal)
> >
> > > Great idea!
> >
> > > I've been a passive observer on all the debate that has gone
> > > on over
> > > the last few months and feel moving the debate away from this
> > > thread
> > > can only (a) enhance that discussion and (b) move this thread
> > > back to
> > > focus more on those wonderful tips/snippets (and of course
> > > local
> > > meetings) around the use of Ubuntu and to encourage more
> > > people to
> > > use what is a great product based upon an even greater
> > > philosophy.
> >
> > > King regards
> > > AnGus
> >
> > > At 17/05/2010 09:16 PM, you wrote:
> > > >Message: 1
> > >

Re: Formal v Informal structure

[andrew]

The Georgia Team has a 'Team Council'

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GeorgiaUSTeam/People


On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 09:26 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote:
> Question before we reinvent the wheel, does anyone know what other loco's are 
> doing around the world?
> 
> Cary
> 
> 
> bwright  wrote ..
> > I prefer the idea of an informal structure as  Norm, VK3XCI mentioned
> > it seems to fit the online community better than a rigid formal
> > structure and I don't see how you could really argue that a formal
> > structure is more inclusive than exclusive. One of the best things
> > about an informal structure is that it is easy to join and participate
> > but with that we have some issues surrounding organisation and getting
> > things done. I believe Michael was referring to the red tape that some
> > members may have suffered from when, "the ship sank" and in this
> > regard perhaps we need a more open system for wiki editing with
> > moderation instead of just having a bottle neck in a selected number
> > of wiki editors. I see a formal structure only adding to the red tape.
> > It is good we are discussing this and we can talk about it but I think
> > we are overlapping here when this should really have been a reply to
> > the Leadership Structure post. Cheers.
> > 
> > On May 18, 10:25 pm, Michael Chesterton 
> > wrote:
> > > On 18/05/2010, at 9:55 PM, Norm, VK3XCI wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2. Informal Structure, just like we have at present. (A meritocracy. 
> > > > Nice,
> > I
> > > > like the word). This usually happens when a bunch of like minded people 
> > > > get
> > > > together and "appoint" from there numbers, suitable people do do the 
> > > > required
> > > > jobs. Notice there is no mention of (formal) positions. Such a group is 
> > > > often
> > > > called a steering committee and generally presages the formation of a 
> > > > larger,
> > > > more formal group. But not always. Given good faith it is a workable 
> > > > model
> > in
> > > > it's own right.
> > >
> > > This is what was in place when the ship sank, the trouble being good 
> > > people
> > > that wanted to help were turned away. No one new were able to learn the
> > > ropes and filter to the top.
> > >
> > > Now we have a situation where we are very reliant on a very pointy top.
> > >
> > > I noticed the following happening.
> > >
> > > person A asked a general question that not many people knew the answer to.
> > > person B indicated she knew the answer.
> > > person A asked person B if they would mind updating the wiki so everyone
> > > could benefit.
> > > person B replied we have 20 wiki editors.
> > >
> > > Knowledge is power.
> > >
> > > > Okay, enough from the Greybeard.  There's my hat in the ring, let's see 
> > > > how
> > many
> > > > bullet holes it gets :)
> > >
> > > No bullets were fired, I'm pro change, how that happens I don't 
> > > particularly
> > mind.
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Re: Leadership Structure

[andrew]

Hi All,

I have stayed quiet over this past week to just see how things develop.

As the Community Council has stated, I quote
"* Nominate team leadership (be it individual or group) to drive the
team in a defined direction. Setting goals for the team and developing
a roadmap can also help here."

So yes a CONTACT person is required (this is the minimum). 
The questions are:  
Should this person be the only one that 'drives the team in a defined 
direction'?
Should a group of people be nominated to help 'Drive the team in a defined 
direction'?

>From these questions more could be asked.
How do we nominate an individual or a group of people as the leadership team?
What 'Roles' do these people perform?
What is the defined direction for the leadership team and the community?

FOOD for THOUGHT
Some people are 'hung-up' (for the need of a better word) on the notion of 
a 'Council' or 'Committee' so lets change it to 'Leadership Team'.
We have a great example of a 'leadership Team' in the Ubuntu Loco Council.
It has a defined role of responsibilities see 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/
Its election process is outlined here 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation 
(under the subheading of Team Council Member Election)

So I guess if we define the direction of the community.
We can define the 'Role' of the 'leadership Team'.
We can then define the positions in the 'Leadership Team'.
Finally the process of filling those positions in the 'leadership Team'. 

Now some work on defining positions has already been done on the Wiki, 
but it needs further expansion with your input.

These are just suggestions.

Regards,

Andrew G.  



On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:11 +1000, Peter Watts wrote:
> I too have been interested but quiet. I believe that Canonical require
> us to have a CONTACT person for the community. Apart from and
> including  this person every member of the community has there right
> to organise any thing they like to help further Ubuntu in Australia.
> All that needs to happen is 
> 1. Have a great idea.
> 2. Do a bit of research
> 3. Advertise it to the Ubuntu.au family for any help that might be
> needed.
> 4. Have a great time enjoying your function when it happens.
>  
> As long as everyone knows about it and can make there own decision as
> to whether they wish to participate, there can be no ill will.
>  
> Thanks Watto
> 
> 
> On 18 May 2010 00:34, angus  wrote:
> Matthew (etal)
> 
> Great idea!
> 
> I've been a passive observer on all the debate that has gone
> on over
> the last few months and feel moving the debate away from this
> thread
> can only (a) enhance that discussion and (b) move this thread
> back to
> focus more on those wonderful tips/snippets (and of course
> local
> meetings) around the use of Ubuntu and to encourage more
> people to
> use what is a great product based upon an even greater
> philosophy.
> 
> King regards
> AnGus
> 
> At 17/05/2010 09:16 PM, you wrote:
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:16:30 +1000
> >From: Matthew Rossi 
> >Subject: Leadership Structure
> >To: Ubuntu AU List 
> >Message-ID:
> >
> 
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to
> discuss how the
> >Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future.
> >I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the
> CoC (ie be
> >respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive
> criticism etc),
> >and to please not stall this process at any stage.  I
> encourage opinions
> >that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our
> community into
> >consideration.
> >
> >The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created
> which lists some
> >suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using.
>  You can find this
> 
> >at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure
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> >Matthew Rossi
> 
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Re: LUGs

[andrew]

Hi Dave (and all),

You do raise some very good points about LUGs, Linux Australia and
public liability.

But

1.  Not everybody has access to a local LUG.  
(how do we cater for these people ?)
2.  Some may not want to be involved with their local LUG (for any
reason)

Publicity: if you are involved with a LUG that has a good Ubuntu
following then why not publicise it though Ubuntu-au.  On the mail-list,
wiki & website.  Publicity will increase participation and bring new
people to your LUG. 

Questions:
Is an Ubuntu User group a 'Specialised' Linux User Group (LUG) or a
Special Interest Group (SIG) ?

If not then what constitutes a SIG ?
If yes then coverage could be sought. 
(ref: http://www.linux.org.au/About/Procedures)
 
Those of you who have intimate knowledge about how LCA operates can
probably answer these questions.  


Regards,

Andrew G.


On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:55 +1000, Dave Hall wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For those of you proposing face to face meetings, I would suggest that
> you check out your local Linux User Group (LUG) first.  These groups
> offer a diverse mix of users.  Linux Users Victoria (LUV) run monthly
> (?) beginners workshops and monthly meetings with talks too.  To find
> your local LUG check out http://linux.org.au/usergroups
> 
> Getting involved in a LUG can help you get more involved in the broader
> Linux/FOSS community.  LUGs are also a great way of learning about
> different technologies and developing new skills.
> 
> I think some of the activities proposed for face to face meetings would
> be better done through a LUG.  All official LUG activities are covered
> by Linux Australia's public liability insurance, so you don't have to
> organise that.
> 
> You can always go for food/coffee/beer/whatever before or after LUG
> meeting with ubuntu people.
> 
> Face to face time is important, I am not arguing against that, I am just
> suggesting people don't waste resources organising events which are
> probably already being organised.
> 
> Launch parties provide an opportunity to run a ubuntu only event twice a
> year.  You can even promote it at the LUG.
> 
> If you are organising face to face events, keep in mind not every one is
> a drinker (or is legally able to drink).  Make sure you are selecting
> inclusive venues for such events.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?

[Andrew Gaydon]

Yes  +1 Vote.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Lisa Milne  wrote:

> Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating
> around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official
> Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't
> have to be involved.
>
> There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may
> be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in
> charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's
> willing to get involved:
>
> Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
>
> yes or no?
>
>
> (yes from me)
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Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.

[Andrew Gaydon]

Dave,

I will defend my integrity.

You have quoted a thread from March, in which there was a general discussion
about Ubuntu-au Governance.

This was the actual thread about the 'PROPOSAL'

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-April/005957.html

Yes we are wasting our energy lets move on and 'GET OVER IT'.

Andrew G.


On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Dave Hall  wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 08:20 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper
> >  wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote:
> > > This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am
> > saddened
> > > that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of
> > conduct
> > > to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot
> >  it out to
> > > stop folks challenging your authority.
>
> Robust debate is one thing, personal attacks are quite another thing.  I
> haven't seen the CoC used to stifle debate, but I have seen it used to
> remind people of their responsibilities when participating in the
> community.
>
> > Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the
> > repetitions here.
> >
> > "I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it
> > was first
> > brought up, and in private emails with Andrew."
> >
> > I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard
> > from Melissa on the subject.
> > I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument.
>
> The archives show that Melissa replied to your suggestion for a tiered
> structure on the same day as you made it, back on 3 March.
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html
>
> I think Jared has already demonstrated that there isn't a groundswell of
> support for change.  Maybe there will be some other time, but now it is
> time those agitating for change accept the way the land lies.
>
> As discussed on the list already, there is a lot that can be done to
> promote ubuntu in the community.  Let's focus our energies there, rather
> than on continuing to waste energy on this protracted debate.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
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Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.

[Andrew Gaydon]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote:
> > This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened
> > that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct
> > to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot  it out to
> > stop folks challenging your authority.
>
> Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here.



> "I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first
> brought up, and in private emails with Andrew."


I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard from
Melissa on the subject.
I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument.

For the sake of this community I will NOT be making anymore statements about
the process
by which these discussions have taken place.

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Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.

[Andrew Gaydon]

Hi Jared and the List.

Yes I agree that things are getting out of hand.

I started this discussion at an attempt to get people to talk about the
issues.
We have had some very good frank discussion.
There has been quite a large silent majority and silence from the ones that
should be making comment.
The issues will not go away, just because we are sick of hearing about them,
unless they are addressed.

As I have argued quite hard about the need for an ACC, I concede that people
need convincing with ACTION,
that the model is a good one and by having an ACC it will facilitate
addressing the issues that people have.

You are quite right about arguments becoming circular, this does not in any
way make a positive contribution to the discussion.

Lets be active on what we can change and make a positive contribution to the
things that we think need changing.

Regards,

Andrew G.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jared Norris  wrote:

> Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list,
>
>  Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a
> lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane
> area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of
> emails about the ACC.
>
>  I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
> at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like
> to draw attention specifically to the section:
>
>  *“Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and **repetitive
> arguments**. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a
> final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council
> can make a final decision. “*
>
>  I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on
> the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table
> and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this topic it
> boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your
> ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with
> other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR
> your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The
> people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in
> total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent
> in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people.
>
>  Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large
> groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this
> tally.
>
>  As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support
> your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there
> is 337 people on this list (
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that
> the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people unsubscribe
> since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this
> current email.
>
>  Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near
> future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run
> when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone from organising
> activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned Code of Conduct.
>
>  Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within
> Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing campaign of
> the ACC.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris
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Re: Any Adelaide people on this list?

[Andrew Gaydon]

Thanks Callan,

If you follow the link from ubuntu.com site  thru
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
You will come across it.   First impressions count.

I really don't want to use this thread as a discussion, it is a subject for
a new Post,
but the 'ACC' issue needs to be sorted first.  Then we can look at the
website.

Cheers,
AndrewG.



On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Callan Jefferson Davies <
cal...@cruzn.net.au> wrote:

> > If this community is to grow, it needs to embrace newcomers and make
> > them feel welcome.
> >
> > What is your take on the 'newcomers' experience in general.
> > When you visited the ubuntu.org.au website what did you find ?
> > Did you find the 'Adelaide' group on the website or Wiki ?
>
>
>
> Hey AndrewG,
>
> I can't remember actually ... I've been using Ubuntu for a long time
> (since 6.06) and I'm regularly on ubuntuforums.org, and I just stumbled
> on some stuff regarding LOCOs, I'm pretty sure this was somewhere within
> the main ubuntu.com WIKI.
>
> I must admit I didn't even know that ubuntu.org.au existed ... perhaps
> I've been unobservant, but I'm normally pretty ontop of this stuff and
> I'm certainly quite religious about promoting Ubuntu's use in Australia.
>
> Anyway I'll go take a good look at ubuntu.org.au now, and find out about
> the release party so I (and maybe some friends) can make an appearance!
>
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Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22

[Andrew Gaydon]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:40 AM, colin mcdermott <
colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> >> The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking
> motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in
> Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au
> community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call
> it) that you worry about will be shared with you.
>
> This model is fundamentally Undemocratic. While I agree that it is better
> to be an active member then a complaining member I must shoot down the
> notion of power being dispersed as a whim. The Community should be
> appointing it's own members through an elected process. Not having the
> leadership appoint people on a whim!
>
> I ask that if the current model is appointment based that it be refuted and
> regular elections called. The group should embody the spirit of Ubuntu!
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin McDermott
>
>
Colin, yes I agree.

Ubuntu the philosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)

I like the Zulu take on 'leadership'

"A leader who has "unhu" is selfless and consults widely and listens
to his subjects. He or she does not adopt a lifestyle that is different from
his subjects and lives among his subjects and shares what he owns. A leader
who has "unhu" does not lead but allows the people to lead themselves and
cannot impose his will on his people, which is incompatible with "unhu"."

 This does not to say that a 'Leader' is not required, but that
he/she 'Represents' the wishes of his/her people.

 BTW  'unhu' is 'Ubuntu' in the 'Shona' language which is spoken in
Zimbabwe.   (I learned something new today)

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Re: less talk more action

[Andrew Gaydon]

Umm Yes about 2 years ago.


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Ross Willman  wrote:

> I challenge anyone who has a problem with the current situation to
> clearly define what non-bureaucratic action they would take for
> ubuntu-au under a new structure, then answer why they aren't doing
> that now. I honestly don't understand how the current setup has
> stopped anyone from promoting Ubuntu in Australia.
>
> The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking
> motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in
> Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au
> community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call
> it) that you worry about will be shared with you.
>
> Anyone that is holding back promoting Ubuntu because they aren't happy
> with the leadership of Ubuntu-au, isn't worthy of any leadership
> themselves. I think that a push for restructure would be looked upon a
> lot more fondly if it came from someone who is a driving force in the
> community. Has anyone making noise about this actually been in the
> community for more than a year?
>
> Ross
>
> On 13 April 2010 22:02, Michael  wrote:
> > I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I
> > am beyond caring.
> >
> > It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a
> > situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested
> > throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are
> > and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions
> > never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are
> > told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that
> > will not work.
> >
> > The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found
> > aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here
> > the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown
> > reason people went charging off to something else.
> >
> > As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor
> > the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight
> > control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the
> > community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further
> > to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it.
> >
> > Ciao for now.
> > Michael (k3lt01)
> >
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Re: LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP

[Andrew Gaydon]

Why does it take a debate like this to 'Raise' this issue?

This is not the first time that Michael has raised it!

So many questions go unanswered on this mailing list.

This is why people are so uninterested in making a contribution.

There is no responsibility or accountability !!

Why can't people see what is wrong with this picture.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jared Norris  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I'm sorry to diverge a little here but I was wondering if you would be able
> to email me these references to porn on the mailing list that has been
> mentioned a couple of times now. As a mailing list admin I see my fair share
> of spam from the list but the whole idea of the mailing list admin team (of
> which I am only one of several) is to prevent this type of thing getting
> through to the list. Other than the messages we cull from the list I am not
> aware of anything else of dubious nature going to the list. If you can
> please send it off list so we don't re-spam it again I will endeavour to
> have it looked into and I will report back any findings made to you and the
> list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared Norris
>
>
>
> On 13 April 2010 11:39, Michael  wrote:
>
>> On Apr 13, 10:42 am, Peter Schwenke  wrote:
>> > I am of a similar opinion to Daniel with regard to bureaucracy.
>> > However, I have been biting my tongue.
>> >
>> > The current set up is not stopping anybody from doing anything.
>>
>> Isn't it? Then why can't I get a straight answer to why does this
>> mailing list have references to porn in it and how can I get rid of
>> them?
>>
>>
>> > IMO the effort spent on drawing up leadership plans and roadmaps could
>> > be spent on testing and (for the more technical folk) fixing bugs
>> > (providing patches).
>>
>> The issue here is the re-approval asks for a Roadmap, so it does need
>> to be discussed.
>>
>> > If a package you are using has issues, investigate why and report it.
>> > For example, you might see it has been fixed upstream.
>> >
>> > If you have some software you see that needs packaging for Ubuntu,
>> > package it up.
>>
>> Totally beside the point with regards to this discussion. We are not
>> talking about the entire Ubuntu community, instead we are talking
>> about Ubuntu-AU. Mixing them up does nothing except for clouding the
>> issue being discussed.
>>
>> > If you would like to do something in the wider community, send a message
>> > to the list and see if you get help (and maybe advice) and do it.
>>
>> Like get the references to porn of the Mailing list membership list?
>>
>> > If you have the ability to answer questions on forums, put some effort
>> > in to that.
>>
>> I already do and thats because this community is dysfunctional.
>>
>> > Then, after doing something, if you want a title or "belong", become an
>> > Ubuntu member or something.
>>
>> In that process already but why can't people like me also want to help
>> Ubuntu-AU expand. Why can't we have an open and honest discussion
>> about our local scene instead of having the global scene thrown in to
>> confuse the issue.
>>
>> > By doing the above some people will show leadership in organising
>> something.
>>
>> Do you know how many people in this mailing list are seen to be active
>> in the regular forum? Let me say that it looks like there aren't many
>> of us there often.
>>
>> > IMO, having elections and boards and titles etc does not make  any of
>> > the above happen.   If you have 9 people, some of their circumstances
>> > will change, they'll no longer be available to contribute.   I'm sure
>> > many people here have been involved (or know others)in various clubs.
>> > The same story Then you get the politics and vested interests and
>> > perceived vested interests... and ...
>>
>> I really think you miss the point. This is a discussion about
>> transparency and the real lack of it. If you don't want the system to
>> change that is fine lets have a vote and see what the entire Ubuntu-AU
>> community think and lets then honour that choice regardless of what it
>> is.
>>
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Re: LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP

[Andrew Gaydon]

Dear Friend,

 I think that you miss the point.
 I will explain.

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Daniel Sobey  wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> It's a great idea on paper but i do not see it working with a community
> our size.
> Currently we have 24 people in #ubuntu-au-chat and 38 in #ubuntu-au, we
> have around 300 people on the mailing list.
>

  Why are people not active ? if we have 300 people on the mailing list
  How many people are currently signed-on to the ubuntu-au website that are
not on the mailing list or on the
  official team list ?Why do they not subscribe or become official ?


> At release parties we do get 20-30 people to meet up in but I don't see
> that anywhere near big enough to support anything like lug style
> meetings. Australia is also quite big with people in the capitol cities
> and not a lot else. Perhaps Sydney or Melbourne might have the numbers
> but if only 2 places have the council what is the point?
>

  With Brisbane that makes  Team-contact + web-master + 3 representatives
that makes 5 people.

  The 'Point', is not how many people are on the ACC, but that an ACC exists
so that 'people' can get-together in
  sufficient numbers to form a 'local LoCo' and take a seat on the ACC.


> We do need to change, but just adding 3 layers of bureaucracy will not
> help, perhaps in 5 or 10 years when our community has grown it will be
> needed but not now.
>

  You are right, perhaps in 5 to 10 years we will need 3 layers.  (it is a
blue-print for the future)

  The model doesn't call for this until the numbers are sufficient.
  And a 'state-council' is only created if there are more than 5 reps on the
ACC (in the same state).



> So the question is if the current system is not working, or not working
> as well as it should why is the proposal is to replace 1 person with
> potentially 9 people.
>

   Providing a structure for people to come forward to share the leadership.


> There is some space for more people to step up into leadership but i'm
> not sure if anyone has come forward and offered themselves up. Perhaps
> part of the problem is that no one has come up with ideas and everyone
> is looking to Melissa for everything. Her approach is to let everyone do
> what they want and leave them up to themselves.
>

   There are many 'leaders' in this group, but there is no encouragement for
them to stand-up.
   There is no 'leadership role' for them to take.

   "i'm (you) are not sure if anyone has come forward and offered themselves
up"
   - That is because there is no transparent process for leaders to come
forward.



> I think there is a place for leadership but there is little point in
> adding another layer. If you think you have something to contribute go
> ahead and contribute, we need all the help we can get. You do not need
> to be approved before doing anything just make your suggestion and the
> community will help as much as we can.
>

  There is no 'extra layer', there are 'extra people' in leadership roles.
  Individuals can still do anything that they like.

   'One person can achieve a little, many people can achieve a lot'


> The question we should be asking is what needs to be done and what isn't
> being done with the current system and how adding this will help.
>

   "An open and transparent 'Leadership' as there is currently none.
An ACC will provide 'Advisory, Support, Leadership & Co-ordination, a
Local contact"


> Regards,
> Daniel
>
>

Regards,

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Re: LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP

[Andrew Gaydon]

Hi Andrew P.

1.  Thanks.
2.  There is no 'Pres' of the ACC.  I will not be nominating myself.
3.  Representative positions on the ACC will only become available if the
numbers of 'Local loco' warrant it.
 'State and Territory councils'  do not exist unless there are
sufficient 'Local loco' to fill them.
 The 'beauty' of the model is that in allows for growth.
4. & 5.  Yes lets have a 'popularity' contest and trial it.

Thanks for your comments, thanks for your vote.

Andrew G.


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Andrew Powter wrote:

> 1. As an observer to this saga, I would back the sentiments viz. AndrewG's
> write up = quality.
> 2. I do wonder though if AndrewG is going to nom himself for Pres. of the
> ACC?
> 3. I wonder also if au has enough *nix users and a big enough subset of
> them running *buntu to staff an ACC, State and territory CC's and LoCo's?
> 4. On paper, this looks very nice, and in principle I agree that a new
> model needs to be rolled out for ubuntu-au, but practically I have
> reservations about its implementation.
> 5. Having said that, I think we should have a popularity con...- er,
> referendum with other proposed ideas for the restructuring of ubuntu-au and
> THEN have the winner go for the trial period.  Second place can collect $50.
>
> $0.02,
> Andrew Powter
> aka "nDR01d"
>
> On 12 April 2010 12:43, AndrewG  wrote:
>
>> LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>>
>> Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
>> email outlining some of the following in detail.  I am still awaiting
>> a reply (maybe she is on holidays), thus my reason for a public post
>> to the Ubuntu-au community. (I wish that she had replied so we could
>> have made a joint post)
>>
>>
>> LEADERSHIP: From the correspondence that I have had with Melissa, she
>> informs me that
>> "The contact is not the dog's body nor is it the mastermind."
>> Further, "I'm responsible for allocating privileges as allowed to us
>> by Canonical. I'm the team /contact/. I'm the person who interfaces
>> between Canonical and the team members."
>>
>> So my conclusion is that the 'Team Contact' is NOT the team leader
>> (contrary to popular belief), but a 'Conduit' between Canonical, the
>> Community Council and the Ubuntu-au community. (and also that the Team
>> leader should convey the sentiment of the ubuntu-au community)
>>
>> Thus, Ubuntu-au is a collection of people with no leadership, a group
>> of individuals trying to further the goals set down in the wiki page
>> 'The Australian team focuses on distributing, advertising and
>> demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia'
>>
>>
>> I also asked Melissa the following
>> "What is your vision ?"
>> Her reply
>> "My vision is for a team that is constructive and contains people who
>> think up initiatives or support others rather than waiting for
>> orders."
>> My reply
>> "How do we encourage & support constructive people?
>> Some people need to be given guidance, in my experience there are
>> three types of people.
>> 1.  Leaders:  Those that inspire others to do great things
>> 2.  Followers: Those that need inspiration to do great things.
>> 3.  Others:  They just don't give a damn about doing great things."
>>
>>
>> On March 8,9 & 11, there was some very robust threads on this mailing
>> list about Ubuntu-au Governance, Re-approval and the Website.
>> Now I'm not sure that these discussions achieved much as it has been
>> over one month and it seams that these issues remain unresolved.
>>
>> I think I can see why this is the case.
>>
>> 1.  There seams to be a reluctance to change the status-quo.
>> 2.  There is a fear about 'loss of control'.
>> 3.  There is no clear process to bring about change to the Ubuntu-au
>> community.
>> 4.  There is no 'leadership' to enable change to be achieved.
>>
>> In summary: 'Nobody is responsible for everything' or 'Everybody is
>> responsible for Everything' or 'Nobody is responsible for Nothing'
>>
>> "Change is the law of life and those who look only to the past or
>> present are certain to miss the future."
>> —John F. Kennedy
>>
>>
>> BIG PICTURE:
>> Currently there is a discussion with the Community Council
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392986
>> It talks about 'LoCo's a

Re: LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP

[Andrew Powter]

1. As an observer to this saga, I would back the sentiments viz. AndrewG's
write up = quality.
2. I do wonder though if AndrewG is going to nom himself for Pres. of the
ACC?
3. I wonder also if au has enough *nix users and a big enough subset of them
running *buntu to staff an ACC, State and territory CC's and LoCo's?
4. On paper, this looks very nice, and in principle I agree that a new model
needs to be rolled out for ubuntu-au, but practically I have reservations
about its implementation.
5. Having said that, I think we should have a popularity con...- er,
referendum with other proposed ideas for the restructuring of ubuntu-au and
THEN have the winner go for the trial period.  Second place can collect $50.

$0.02,
Andrew Powter
aka "nDR01d"

On 12 April 2010 12:43, AndrewG  wrote:

> LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP
>
> Prologue: 25th March, Melissa Draper (our team contact) was sent an
> email outlining some of the following in detail.  I am still awaiting
> a reply (maybe she is on holidays), thus my reason for a public post
> to the Ubuntu-au community. (I wish that she had replied so we could
> have made a joint post)
>
>
> LEADERSHIP: From the correspondence that I have had with Melissa, she
> informs me that
> "The contact is not the dog's body nor is it the mastermind."
> Further, "I'm responsible for allocating privileges as allowed to us
> by Canonical. I'm the team /contact/. I'm the person who interfaces
> between Canonical and the team members."
>
> So my conclusion is that the 'Team Contact' is NOT the team leader
> (contrary to popular belief), but a 'Conduit' between Canonical, the
> Community Council and the Ubuntu-au community. (and also that the Team
> leader should convey the sentiment of the ubuntu-au community)
>
> Thus, Ubuntu-au is a collection of people with no leadership, a group
> of individuals trying to further the goals set down in the wiki page
> 'The Australian team focuses on distributing, advertising and
> demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia'
>
>
> I also asked Melissa the following
> "What is your vision ?"
> Her reply
> "My vision is for a team that is constructive and contains people who
> think up initiatives or support others rather than waiting for
> orders."
> My reply
> "How do we encourage & support constructive people?
> Some people need to be given guidance, in my experience there are
> three types of people.
> 1.  Leaders:  Those that inspire others to do great things
> 2.  Followers: Those that need inspiration to do great things.
> 3.  Others:  They just don't give a damn about doing great things."
>
>
> On March 8,9 & 11, there was some very robust threads on this mailing
> list about Ubuntu-au Governance, Re-approval and the Website.
> Now I'm not sure that these discussions achieved much as it has been
> over one month and it seams that these issues remain unresolved.
>
> I think I can see why this is the case.
>
> 1.  There seams to be a reluctance to change the status-quo.
> 2.  There is a fear about 'loss of control'.
> 3.  There is no clear process to bring about change to the Ubuntu-au
> community.
> 4.  There is no 'leadership' to enable change to be achieved.
>
> In summary: 'Nobody is responsible for everything' or 'Everybody is
> responsible for Everything' or 'Nobody is responsible for Nothing'
>
> "Change is the law of life and those who look only to the past or
> present are certain to miss the future."
> —John F. Kennedy
>
>
> BIG PICTURE:
> Currently there is a discussion with the Community Council
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392986
> It talks about 'LoCo's are not "Lo" Enough' (Mark Shuttleworth has
> even made comment)
> and the concept of:
> ReCo = Regional Community (for States and Provinces)
> CoCo = Country Community (for Countries)
> LoCo = Local Community (for Towns and Cities)
>
> The Ubuntu-au community is clearly a 'CoCo' not a 'LoCo' as we are
> seperated by large distances, in cities and regions.
>
> If we accept the premise that the ubuntu-au community is made up of
> smaller 'LoCo' around the country.
> I.E.  Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Hobart
>
>
> ***
> PROPOSAL:  I would propose that an "Australian Community Council"(ACC)
> be created. (A Trial for 18 months)
> Its members would be 1. Team-Contact 2. Web-master 3. 'LoCo'
> representative(s) (7+-2

Re: LEADERSHIP and a ROADMAP

[Andrew Gaydon]

Carey & Michael,

I will reply to both of you.

As per wiki,  there is NO such thing as a 'State based LoCo', there is a
'State Community Council'  if there is sufficient 'Local LoCo'
representatives to form one. A 'State representative' is then
appointed/elected to the ACC.

The role of the ACC is that of 'Support & Consultation', individuals from
regions can 'consult' with members on the ACC on how to set-up a 'Local
LoCo'.  When they have sufficient numbers to form their own 'Loco' they can
have a seat on the ACC.
Individuals can still contribute though 'general meetings' and make
submissions to the ACC.

Andrew.


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Cary Bielenberg wrote:

> Michael,
> Your question about regional areas is a curly one, In Qld we have a
> few regional areas Toowoomba, Rockhampton & Townsville that might have
> enough users to setup a LoCo, I guess we should focus on state based loCo's
> in the 1st instance so as not to disadvantage remote users.
>
> my 2c
>
> Cary
>
> Michael  wrote ..
> > Hi Andrew, and everyone else who wishes to take part in this
> > discussion.
> >
> > I see you have put alot of thought into this and I applaud your
> > initiative in bringing this matter to the forefront again.
> >
> > I don't have many comments to make at this time but the ones I do have
> > to make will probably ruffle a few feathers, if they do my apology is
> > thus tendered in advance.
> >
> > I personally like the idea of an ACC although the smaller Councils may
> > be a bit difficult to setup initially. There needs to be a
> > consideration of minimum numbers required for a smaller council and
> > this is because places like Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will have
> > the opportunity to create a LoCo each simply because they have the
> > numbers. Where does this place people like myself who live in a rural
> > centre? Apart from on person who I personally know but haven't seen
> > for about 6 years there is no other Ubuntu users on the Ubuntu-AU
> > membership list in my region let alone in my town. So will we have a
> > Sydney LoCo and a "Rest of NSW" LoCo? or will we just have a NSW LoCo?
> >
> > I truly believe this LoCo has no transparency. There was a comment
> > made during the meeting about having an election. The comment was
> > basically that elections are a popularity contest and do not really
> > mean the person who gets elected is the best for the job. While this
> > is true to a certain extent a transparent election process is much
> > better than the current "meritocratic" process. Why is this? Well 1
> > person currently says who can do what, now unfortunately this is
> > getting into the realms of micro-management simply because a very
> > tight leash is being held on this small community. If this community
> > is going to expand people are going to have to be allowed to do things
> > without gaining the approval of an "autocratic ruler". I know with the
> > current system I will never get anywhere with this community, even
> > though I would like to, simply because I have a fundamental difference
> > of opinion to others and because of this I don't have any chance of
> > being seen as having a "level head". The current situation therefor
> > can be seen as being as bad, if not worse, than a transparent election
> > process simply because those who want to be able to do things have to
> > be "popular" with a certain self appointed group.
> >
> > I may have more to say later but I think it would be best if I stopped
> > where I have and see what others have to say.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > Michael (k3lt01)
> >
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Re: Reapproval date

[Andrew Gaydon]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Melissa Draper wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> The LoCo Council has spontaneously decided to shift the review deadline
> forward 3 full weeks to next Monday the 29th, rather than April 20th.
>
> This means we now have less than a week to get the wiki page ready for
> them.
>
> If anyone already has a wiki page created and started before now, can
> they let the rest of the team know where the page is so that we may
> collaborate?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
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>
> w: http://meldraweb.com & http://geekosophical.net
>
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Re: elections

[Andrew Gaydon]

+1 from me.

Get over it  'PEOPLE'.

This argument could go on for days & Months.

In the future we may address each other as   'Ubuntu-ites',  will that
offend anybody ??  (probably yes)

You can't please everybody all of the time.

What was that task that we were discussing ??



On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Norm, VK3XCI  wrote:

> This is getting tiresome and filling my trash can. Can we just focus on the
> task
> in hand... whatever that was???
>
>
>
>
>
> 73 de Norm, VK3XCI
> Mildura, Australia
> The Wintersun City
> QF15bt.
>
> David Fawcett wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Rand Al Thor
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > *IMO google "guys", informal way of referring to either sex.
> > No offence was intended. If you chose to take offence then that's
> > your prerogative.*
> > *I don't think things need to be changed because of one persons
> > dislike for a particular term. Especially when the majority find it
> > acceptable.*
> >
> >
> > Rand this argument is largely indefensible. You can't offend a minority,
> > claim that such offense is unavoidable and then claim that such offense
> > is  acceptable because it doesn't offend the majority.
> >
> > Melissa was stating that she felt marginalized by the use of the term
> > 'guys' when she doesn't identify herself as a 'guy'. It is no different
> > to someone saying, 'hey white people' and someone popping up and saying,
> > 'could you please not only address white people because I'm not white
> > and I participate in this forum too'.
> >
> > Melissa was also wrong about one point. She stated her political belief
> > and said that she did not wish to justify it or discuss it which is a
> > bit dubious stand to take and saying this essentially boils her
> > political belief down to an ultimatum. By no means is she required
> > to justify it but if she wishes the forum to use more
> > gender neutral language then it's likely some explanation is required
> > before her point is made and the forum changes it's behavior. As it
> > turned out that further explanation was forthcoming anyway.
> >
> > Ok gang, we have two options here. We can either continue to use
> > language that makes a member of the forum uncomfortable and feel
> > marginalized or you can make a small, simple and minor modification to
> > the language we use and make a member of the forum feel welcome and
> > included.
> >
> > There is a third option not available to the rest of us: Melissa can
> > accept that the term 'guys' as gender neutral and choose to feel
> > included when this term is used. While we can encourage her to change
> > her mind about this ethically we can't try to force her to change her
> > mind by continuing to use the term. What I mean by this is that the term
> > means what it means to her and we should be aware that continuing to use
> > it makes her feel alienated regardless of what the term means to the
> > majority.
> >
> > Personally I'm all for inclusion and I would encourage everyone on this
> > list to make the small change that Melissa has requested in order to
> > make her (and women in general) feel more included.
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: A local Shipit service for regional users

[Andrew Gaydon]

Not everybody subscribes to the mail list.
We need to get a notice on the website & Facebook.

How many people do you have donating time ?
How are you collecting money to pay for the CD's ?

Just some questions!!

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Jared Norris  wrote:

> Thanks Scott!
>
> This is a great response so far. We don't have many orders so far (I
> realise as we get closer to release that will increase) but I'm now
> confident of at least filling all the orders we do get. I've added you
> to the spreadsheet (and don't worry, donations of timer or money are
> both very useful as some people have one and not the other).
>
> So anyone not easily able to download new releases, let me know and
> I'll record your order.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jared
>
>
> On 18 March 2010 09:38, Scott McKean  wrote:
> > Hi Jared,
> >
> > I'll put up the funds for 40 cd's ($100) but I don't have the time to
> > post out that many.
> >
> > Let me know where we go from here. Thanks for your time,
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 18:46 +1000, Jared Norris wrote:
> >> Good Evening,
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone for the responses. I probably didn't explain it all
> >> too well last night but I realise there are services out there
> >> charging nominal fees for CDs but I was thinking of trying to get it
> >> to the regional (and those unable to access boradband easily) a
> >> quicker, FREE way to get a copy of Lucid Lynx (even if the fee is
> >> nominal it's sometimes means people won't opt for it because it is not
> >> always easy to transfer the funds wihtout effort).  It's not meant to
> >> replace the "official" CDs but just trying to speed up the process
> >> (and who as a home user really NEEDS and official CD?). I was going to
> >> offer this free to anyone and everyone all by myself but realised it
> >> might chalk up some costs but if more people were willing to chip in
> >> then it would spread it out. Thank you James for your offer I've noted
> >> it down and anyone else willing to chip in please drop me a line
> >> (again either on the list or off, also on IRC). I just thought it
> >> would be a nice way to quickly and cheaply spread the Ubuntu cheer.
> >>
> >> So I guess this is a shoutout now to those of you on the list who do
> >> not have access to broadband easily, please start letting me know if
> >> you want a free burnt copy of lucid lynx. It's a LTS so it should be
> >> pretty stable from release (touch wood) and I'm willing to take orders
> >> of which version of Ubuntu you want (k/x/ed/ubuntu) just nothing too
> >> obscure please. All details will be kept confidential (obvious
> >> whomever ends up posting you the CD will need an address, PO BOX is
> >> fine) so feel free to email me off the list or message me on IRC.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jared Norris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16 March 2010 07:17, James Beake  wrote:
> >> > Sounds like a nice way to provide a value add for regional Aus and I'm
> happy
> >> > to be part of the experiment.
> >> >
> >> > I'm prepared to fund $20 worth of CDs. Ie, I''ll burn / ship 8 CDs
> @2.50
> >> > each. More if the potage is less :)
> >> >
> >> > Is there any Ubuntu CD art work we can access?
> >> >
> >> > cheers
> >> > James
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Jared Norris 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Good evening all,
> >> >>
> >> >> With the release of Lucid Lynx approaching us sooner rather than
> later
> >> >> one idea I had that I would like to put out there to the mailing list
> >> >> was a bit of a Shipit type service (see https://shipit.ubuntu.com/for
> >> >> the official version) that aims at delivering the new release much
> >> >> sooner than the quoted 10 weeks from the website. What I am proposing
> >> >> is that some users in metropolitan Australia with quicker download
> >> >> speeds and higher download quota limits burn a copy of the new
> release
> >> >> and then post it to another user who might be stuck on dial up or
> >> >> regional 3G services with very low download limits.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would like to see if this sort of a service would be useful to our
> >> >> regional users or not and I would also be willing to coordinate this
> >> >> service. I have costed the idea and to post a CD to anywhere in
> >> >> Australia from anywhere in Australia would cost $2.50 (this includes
> >> >> the packaging and the postage costs) and also the cost the CD itself.
> >> >> How this would be paid would be dependant upon how many people were
> >> >> wanting this service and how many people were willing to help out.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you are interested please feel free to either drop me an email (on
> >> >> or off the list I don't mind) or pop into IRC (as explained
> >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/IRC - I'm usually lurking, my
> >> >> nick is head_victim) and just send me a message.
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 49, Issue 23

[Andrew Gaydon]

HI Steve,

The easiest way to attend the meeting is to use your web browser and go to
this address.

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-au

Create a Nickname and Connect.


Cheers,

Andrew G.



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> I received this email from a Brisbane Ubuntu fan.
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> 13/03/2010
> 'I am ?? , I came to Brisbane from Colombia 6 months Ago. I was checking
> the
> ubuntu website and I found that there was one group in Brisbane which I'd
> like to join because I am interested in learn more about ubuntu, I think is
> a good distribution, faster and better than windows. That's why I decided
> to
> change to Ubuntu a couple of years ago. Do you think it's possible to me
> join the group. Thanx.  '
>
>
> Just another reason to have State/Regional contacts, to point new people in
> the right direction.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew  G. (Brisbane)
>
> PS.  Looking forward to the discussion on Monday night at 9pm.
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> Excellent stuff Andrew.
>
> I mentioned the Australian group to an Aussie in Germany a couple of days
> ago, I think he may browse around and I hope he joins up.
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HP 5P scanner help

[Andrew Otte]

Help,
I have an HP 5P scanner plugged into an qlogic scsi card.  It has stopped 
working!  I can't remember the last time it did work.  I am using kubuntu 9:10 
with the latest kernel updates etc.  I know that the sg module is now built 
into the kernel but something is going wrong and I do not know how to fix 
things.
The scsi card is recognised and appears when I "lspci"

-- 01:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 53c974 
[PCscsi] (rev 10)

The driver for the scanner is correctly selected as tmscsim and this gets 
inserted automatically.  dmesg has the following connected with it.

[2.060366] DC390: clustering now enabled by default. If you get problems 
load
[2.060370]with "disable_clustering=1" and report to maintainers
[2.066283] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 19
[2.066290]   alloc irq_desc for 19 on node 0
[2.066292]   alloc kstat_irqs on node 0
[2.066303] tmscsim :01:01.0: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKB] -> GSI 19 (level, 
low) -> IRQ 19
[2.697640] DC390_init: No EEPROM found! Trying default settings ...
[2.697646] DC390: Used defaults: AdaptID=7, SpeedIdx=0 (10.0 MHz), 
DevMode=0x1f, AdaptMode=0x2f, TaggedCmnds=3 (16), DelayReset=1s
[2.698698] scsi6 : Tekram DC390/AM53C974 V2.1d 2004-05-27
[2.699678] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 18
[2.699683]   alloc irq_desc for 18 on node 0
[2.699686]   alloc kstat_irqs on node 0

[5.665907] DC390: OLD Sync Nego code triggered! (6 0)

Then that's as good as it gets.  
If I do a 'lsscsi -g'
the scanner does not appear.  It appears as though something is going wrong 
with the tmscsim module.  I do not know where to go from here.
Any help would be appreciated.




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Re: Governance New Thread!

[Andrew Gaydon]

Melissa,

We can get Public Liability Insurance through Linux Australia !!!
How does that work ?   How are we affiliated with them?

This is an example of valuable information that could be a topic for an
Ubuntu-au council meeting.  (if there was one to be created)


I agree that going down an incorporated association is a hard path and
should be avoided.
(however it does preclude us from carrying out certain activities, like
fundraising but this could be overcome buy utilising existing  LUGS that
have that capacity)

Cheers.

Andrew.



On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Melissa Draper wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 17:45 +1100, Norm, VK3XCI wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I've had a fair bit to do with "committees" over a vast range of
> involvements,
> > from Radio Clubs to rural Progress Associations and Distance Education
> parent
> > Committees. All have a couple of things in common. Dissent (is that the
> word you
> > were looking for Scott?) and egos. From an almost outsider (Lurker!)
> looking in
> > and still involved in radio club committee, I'll make a few observations.
> >
> > ...The best person for the job usually gravitates there(eventually)
> > ...Extraneous positions are often introduced to sooth bruised egos.
> > ...In an "Inc. Assoc." a degree of formality is required to satisfy the
> law.
> > ...Excessive formality kills organisations!
> > ...I'm unsure of Ubuntu-au's formal standing; how much "committee" do we
> need?
>
> In regards to legal formality... ugh. I really don't want us to go
> there. I really really don't. There's various LUGs around the country
> (at least 2 capital LUGs I'm aware of) who are currently looking to one
> day getting the heck out of the paperwork overhead by dissolving the
> legal orgs.
>
> > Which begs a few questions
> > ...What is the LoCo's mission? What are we trying to achieve?
> > ...What is the relationship with the "Mother Company"?
> > ...How is it all funded?
> > ...What are the legal obligations.
>
> The team is a Local Community Team just like any other across the world.
> In essence - a promotional fanclub.
>
> We're the grunt to represent the ubuntu project at expos and stuff, but
> we do /all/ the organising. The relationship with the "mother company"
> is that if we ask nice enough and not too often, they'll send us a stack
> of CDs and brochures for us to hand out for them. In return, they host
> our website stuff. This of course is a simplified explanation of the
> arrangement and would change (we'd get fewer cds, no web hosting) if we
> ceased to be an approved team.
>
> Basically, we have no funding outside what folks are willing to pool
> from their own resources, and PLI we can get through Linux Australia if
> needed. This is also why we really don't have legal obligations either.
> Which is good. Legal obligations are a pain for a small volunteer
> organisation.
>
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Re: Funding question

[Andrew Swinn]

In order to receive funding you would almost certainly need to be an 
incorporated club/association. Ubuntu-au is not such an entity.

Such an entity requires registration of the organisation along with 
reporting of financials each year plus a formal committee etc. Not 
something I would hope we would jump into anytime soon. The paperwork is 
just horendous and as Melissa pointed out there appear to be some LUGS 
wanted to 'dissolve' this so they can avoid the paperwork and hoops.

Regards,

Andrew

On 8/03/2010 7:58 PM, benchen70 wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am just wondering, if anyone  has tried to gain funding through
> their local city council. I have been involved in the fundraising for
> schools and other non-profits, liasing with the local city councils. I
> am just wondering if there is any objections if I go and try to check
> out this venue for fundraising.
>
> Hang on, I forgot to ask one question: are we allowed to fundraise on
> behalf of the community, or are there specified people for this kind
> of job? Or do we not funsraise at all? I mean, do we fundraise for the
> social events?
>
> I don't know. These are just some things I thought of. What's your
> opinion?
>
> Regards,
>
> benchen70
> Benjamin Chen
>
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Re: Governance New Thread!

[Andrew Swinn]

On 8/03/2010 6:13 PM, Melissa Draper wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 17:45 +1100, Norm, VK3XCI wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I've had a fair bit to do with "committees" over a vast range of 
>> involvements,
>> from Radio Clubs to rural Progress Associations and Distance Education parent
>> Committees. All have a couple of things in common. Dissent (is that the word 
>> you
>> were looking for Scott?) and egos. From an almost outsider (Lurker!) looking 
>> in
>> and still involved in radio club committee, I'll make a few observations.
>>
>> ...The best person for the job usually gravitates there(eventually)
>> ...Extraneous positions are often introduced to sooth bruised egos.
>> ...In an "Inc. Assoc." a degree of formality is required to satisfy the law.
>> ...Excessive formality kills organisations!
>> ...I'm unsure of Ubuntu-au's formal standing; how much "committee" do we 
>> need?
>>  
> In regards to legal formality... ugh. I really don't want us to go
> there. I really really don't. There's various LUGs around the country
> (at least 2 capital LUGs I'm aware of) who are currently looking to one
> day getting the heck out of the paperwork overhead by dissolving the
> legal orgs.
>

I'll second that urg! I wouldn't recommend a formal incorporated 
association to anyone, ever. The only reason to do that is if you need a 
bank account and other stuff to manage significant funds. I don't think 
we are even close to that. All we need to do is meet Ubuntu (Canonical) 
requirements.

A few years ago I might have thought different but now I have been 
involved with numerous local organisations that have all but pushed 
people away through obsessive compulsive procedures (that unfortunately 
are needed for some) I avoid that situation like the plague.

Goal 1: Meet the requirements of Canonical

Goal 2: Foster a community that can organise positive reinforement of 
Ubuntu and it's direction and place in computing.

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Re: Governance Structure Proposal for Ubuntu-AU

[Andrew Swinn]

On 8/03/2010 1:25 PM, AndrewG wrote:
>
> On Mar 8, 12:05 pm, Paul Gear  wrote:
>
>> Melissa Draper wrote:
>>  
>>> On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 11:25 +1100, Andrew Swinn wrote:
>>>
>>  
>>>> Just a quick 2 cents worth on the whole committee thing.
>>>>  
>>  
>>>> I would agree that having an overall president plus a representive from
>>>> each state would be the way to go.
>>>>  
>>  
>>> Linux Australia has gone through this discussion regularly over the
>>> years. The conclusion has always been that it's not feasible. Why?
>>>
>>  
>>> Because you have to find, for each state (and territory), someone
>>> actually capable and willing to do the role. In a country like
>>> Australia, that means finding someone from NSW, Vic, QLD, WA, SA, Tas,
>>> ACT.
>>>
>>  
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> So firstly I think we should organise the first thing, getting a
>>>> president/leader/whatever put in place plus state reps, then letting
>>>> those elected/appointed people work on organising the rest.
>>>>  
>>  
>>>> One of the big issues with community groups is getting caught up in the
>>>> politics of it all. Those age old requirements for
>>>> president/treasurer/minutes/commitees out the wazoo all scare new people
>>>> away. People are extroadinarily time limited today so keeping it short
>>>> and simple is what should be focused on.
>>>>  
>>  
>>> Once you have a committee you /are/ caught up in the politics. A
>>> committee is political no matter which way you spin it and offices do
>>> have requirements.
>>>
>> I have to agree with Melissa on this one.  The position(s) need(s) to be
>> given to the person(s) actually able to do the job.  Perhaps if people
>> are looking for a contact person for each state, we need to have an
>> out-of-band/unofficial/less-official role which is more along the lines
>> of what people are looking for with the election-style deal.
>>
>> I personally couldn't be bothered jumping through the hoops (not to
>> mention what seems to me to be a ridiculous amount of self-promotion)
>> required to be on the LoCo leadership - i have enough to do between
>> switching between two jobs and keeping a number of different clients
>> above water.  However, i would be happy to be a contact for people to
>> talk to about Ubuntu, and i would be happy to organise meetups like
>> we've had recently here in Brisbane.
>>
>> Paul
>>
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>
> I also agree that the right people need to be given the job(s), but
> who decides what is given to whom currently!!!
>
> Until the ubuntu-au membership comes up with an open transparent
> structure nothing will change.
>
> The status-quo will remain until this is achieved.
>
> Andrew G.  (Brisbane)
>

Trying to avoid multiple reply threads, posting response to last two 
emails here.

It seems there are two problems.

1. There is possibly not enough people available to fulfil all the 
positions proposed.

2. There are people that want to act in a nature to represent a 
state/territory/entire community they are in but they feel they do not 
have the opportunity to do so.

Therefore to deal with these two potential issues we should...

1. Ask for nominations of interest from people who would like to be the 
contact point for their state and to also . I don't believe there is any 
requirement for each and every state to be involved. There is a heavier 
representation from the eastern states. If there turns out to be only 
interest in a handful of states/territories then so be it. If someone 
comes along later that wants to represent a missing one, then good on 
ya, welcome aboard!

2. If number 1 fails to surface any peoplee then the status quo will remain.

I think it is worth a sort of official 'call to arms' to see who comes 
out of the woodwork. There are plenty of people floating around the 
community, just a question of whether they would like to get involved more.

If we do not ask it will not happen.

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Re: Governance Structure Proposal for Ubuntu-AU

[Andrew Swinn]

Just a quick 2 cents worth on the whole committee thing.

I would agree that having an overall president plus a representive from 
each state would be the way to go.

I would also suggest that these state positions could be dual roles with 
the other needs, ie as well as representing their state/territory 
interest they could spearhead marketing, or website maintenance etc. The 
state/territory reps could and should be able to handle organising other 
facets of what needs to be taken care of as well as being that contact 
point for their area.

So firstly I think we should organise the first thing, getting a 
president/leader/whatever put in place plus state reps, then letting 
those elected/appointed people work on organising the rest.

One of the big issues with community groups is getting caught up in the 
politics of it all. Those age old requirements for 
president/treasurer/minutes/commitees out the wazoo all scare new people 
away. People are extroadinarily time limited today so keeping it short 
and simple is what should be focused on.

Having state/territory reps that are also involved with local LUGS would 
also be valuable.

Andrew

On 8/03/2010 10:56 AM, AndrewG wrote:
> Matt&  Benjamin,
>
> IMHO.
>
> I would propose that the committee be a representative one, being
> 'one' State leader from each state.
>
> Why, because most implementation of Goals of Ubuntu-au will be enacted
> on at a local level.
>   Ie.  Exhibition stalls, Install fests, cd distribution  etc.
>   A 'State' leader would also be a 'Local contact' for interested
> people wanting to get involved.
>
> Sub-committees could also be formed, to deal with 'Marketing
> resources', 'Website maintenance' etc. on a national level.
>
> Also don't forget the various 'LUGS' around the country, they have
> many resources that could also be utilised.
>
>
> Yes Ben, there would be a process needed to 'Vet' candidates for
> positions.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew G.
>
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Re: Flash memory as a backup for the Home directory

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2010-03-02 09:54:03 UTC+1000, Geoffrey (gcomb...@bigpond.com) wrote:

> Having installed grsync I am about to buy an external memory to back up
> my Ubuntu home directory.

grsync looks good.  I use rsync regularly but wasn't aware of a GUI
frontend for it.

> However I have found a USB flash memory 'stick' with 32 Gb capacity for
> about $30 (source: e-Bay). It's from Hong Kong, is new but of unknown
> brand and quality.

I'd be careful buying flash memory on eBay, especially from overseas
dealers.  I've read stories of people buying SanDisk branded flash
cards then having the cards fail early in their life.  Then they would
call SanDisk to put in a warranty claim only to discover the card is a
cheap knock-off, ie. not made by SanDisk.

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Re: TV Tuners

[andrew clarke]

On Wed 2010-02-03 12:54:28 UTC+1100, andrew clarke (m...@ozzmosis.com) wrote:

> I just noticed "MPEG Port" (in the lspci output above) is probably a clue
> that my Winfast can do MPEG-2 hardware encoding.  I should investigate

In hindsight it seems this is just to communicate with the part of the
card that receives DVB-T broadcasts.  So while there are capture cards
that do hardware MPEG-2 encoding, mine isn't one of them AFAIK.

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Re: Learn Ubuntu

[andrew clarke]

On Thu 2010-02-04 07:45:55 UTC+1000, Paul Gear (p...@libertysys.com.au) wrote:

>  There's actually a version of Nero for Linux.  :-)  I prefer it over
>  Brasero (and k3b).
> 
> 
>Interesting - the review i read a few years back [1] suggested k3b was a
>long way ahead.

That review is 5 years old!  Ubuntu was only about six months old in
2005.  AFAIK there have been three major versions (3.0, 3.5 & 4.0) of
NeroLinux released since then.

One of the comments on that page suggests NeroLinux 2.0 was just a
rebranded release of GnomeBaker.  I don't know if that was true in
2005, but looking at the interface of GnomeBaker 0.6.4 now it doesn't
seem to have much in common with NeroLinux 3.5, the version I use.

GnomeBaker looks OK but it (and Brasero) is missing a "verify data
after burn" feature.  From memory, last time I tried k3b it supported
this, but I had trouble with it inexplicably stalling in between the
burn and verify stages.  And installing Nero was easier than trying to
debug k3b.  :-)

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Re: Learn Ubuntu

[andrew clarke]

On Wed 2010-02-03 22:35:12 UTC+1030, Callan Jefferson Davies 
(cal...@cruzn.net.au) wrote:

> The biggest hurdle I found when first starting in '06 was trying to
> avoid the temptation to use Windows for common tasks. Eg burning a CD,
> just go use Nero in Windows rather than looking for which Ubuntu program
> would do the job.

There's actually a version of Nero for Linux.  :-)  I prefer it over
Brasero (and k3b).

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Re: TV Tuners

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2010-02-02 00:10:24 UTC+1100, Peter Goggin (petergog...@bigpond.com) 
wrote:

> I have a large number of vhs tapes I want to convert to DVDs, hence the
> need for analogue.  I have a Leadtek Winfast 2000 card in a windows box,
> but I really want to move away from windows. Presumably this card will
> work with MythTv and TvTime.

I use a Leadtek Winfast DTV1000H to capture VHS tapes in Ubuntu 9.10.
It works fine with Tvtime.  I've also used a Compro VideoMate in the
past with no problems.

The only fiddly thing was when I couldn't get the audio input on the
Winfast card to work, and I had some audio problems with the motherboard's
onboard audio (which I've since disabled in the BIOS) so I plugged in an
old Yamaha audio card for the audio input.  Configuring the Yamaha
with alsamixer was a pain.  Not at all intuitive.  But when I got
that working, "alsactl store" was handy.

I do a quick record in Audacity to check the audio level before I
start the video capture.

lspci shows:

01:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI 
Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)
01:00.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video 
and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05)
01:00.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video 
and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)
01:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio 
Controller] (rev 03)

I capture with mencoder, using the MJPEG codec:

mencoder tv:// -tv \
  
input=1:norm=PAL-BG:width=720:height=576:audiorate=48000:amode=1:forcechan=2:adevice=/dev/audio
 \
  -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -oac copy \
  -o capture-`date +%Y-%m-%d-%H%M%S`.avi

mencoder will keep recording until you hit Ctrl+C or otherwise kill the
process (or run out of disk space...)

The catch with this is that you can't have tvtime and mencoder running
concurrently, so you won't be able to see the video while mencoder is
recording unless you connect a TV to the RF out of the VHS deck.

It's possible there's a way to watch and record at the same time using
the PC monitor but I haven't found a program that will do that.  I
used to do it in Windows XP years ago using VirtualVCR, so I know it's
technically possible.  Maybe MythTV can do it.

Once recorded I then open the file with Avidemux.  It is frame accurate
and a bit similar to VideoReDo.  I set the start and end markers, save
the file with a new name, then encode that file to XviD using mencoder
in two-pass mode, with a makefile that I wrote.

I haven't used mencoder to encode to MPEG-2 (for DVD authoring) but I'm
pretty sure it can do that.  I just prefer XviD for size and portability.

There's a limitation with Avidemux in that you can apparently only
set a single start and end marker.  Depending on your source material
this may not matter.  You can merge multiple AVI (or MPEG-2) files
later if you need to.

I just noticed "MPEG Port" (in the lspci output above) is probably a clue
that my Winfast can do MPEG-2 hardware encoding.  I should investigate
that at some stage, although in theory transcoding MJPEG to XviD should
give higher quality output than MPEG-2 to XviD.  Whether it's noticable
with a VHS tape source is another thing...

> The computer will have an AMD dual core 64bit processor so load will not
> be a problem.

I'm just using an old 2.8 GHz Pentium 4, 32-bit, single core.

> Are there any video editing programs like VideoRedo available for Linux?

VideoReDo is only for editing MPEG-2 so I can't use it for MJPEG captures,
but I do use it for editing DVB-T (digital TV, MPEG-2) recordings, under
WINE in Ubuntu.  I've tried ProjectX (and Avidemux, I think) for MPEG-2
editing, but tend to get odd A/V sync issues with the output files,
particularly A/V drift.

VideoReDo can be a bit unstable under WINE.  Mostly just crashing
after it's finished exporting.  Not really a showstopper.

Regards
Andrew

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Re: MP3 in RipperX

[Andrew Swinn]

Hi David,

Looking at the suggested dependencies for RipperX it lists 'toolame' 
which is an MP3 encoder and might be what is needed.

Searching for 'toolame' in Synaptic points me to the 'twolame' package 
which is based on the original 'toolame'.

I would suggest that you try to install the 'twolame' package which 
might enable MP3 encoding.

Regards,

Andrew Swinn

On 30/12/09 12:34, David Bowskill wrote:
> Hi All
>
> In RipperX configuration file there is a tab for MP3 encoding, but this
> does not seem to work.
>
> Does a codec need to be downloaded and how is this done ?
>
>
> Thanks for any help
>
>
> David
>
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Re: JB Hi-Fi website served malware (News Article)

[Andrew Swinn]

> Is nina wrong or are we justified in saying that "These
> hackers would go out of business if people just stopped using
> Windows." ?


Unfortunately careless users will always allow vulnerabilities.

But, I am willing for the world to swap to Linux for a few years to try
that theory out, bring it on! ;)

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Ubuntu-au website post

[Andrew Swinn]

There is a new post up on the website from Andrew G. and his report on 
the Brisbane release party.

Thanks Andrew for the content and the picture. Apologies for my delay in 
getting it up there for world to see.

I look forward to seeing a bigger and better release party for 10.04!

Regards,

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Re: Meeting with Brisbane Ubuntu LoCo

[Andrew Swinn]

Hi Brisbane people,

I received the email below from a Malaysian Ubuntu user/LoCo Leader who 
sounds like they are interested in meeting up with some fellow Ubuntu 
users around the same time as OSDC.

Does someone in the Brisbane area want to contact Khairul?

Regards,

Andrew Swinn

fenris wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> Do u live in Brisbane? is it ok if we have some activities before the OSDC ? 
> or could u connect me with the ubuntu member's in brisbane :)  
> -- Regards, Khairul Aizat Kamarudzzaman (fenris) Ubuntu-my LoCo Leader 
> www.ubuntu.com.my 
 > Email: fenris 'at' ubuntu.com

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Re: Google wave

[Andrew Swinn]

I received a Google Wave invite this week, I only have one contact on my 
list though, so for other wavers out there feel free to add me.

andrew.swinn 'atsign' googlewave.com

Has anyone seen or done anything magic with Google Wave? I'd be 
interested in reading up a little more on what people are doing with it.

I need to have a read through Gina Trapani's online book, The Complete 
Guide to Google Wave - http://completewaveguide.com/

Regards,

Andrew Swinn

bwright wrote:
> I wish, I was meant to get an invite but it never happened. :(
> 
> On 15 Nov, 13:38, mickpc  wrote:
>> Are any of you on google wave yet?
>>
>> Also if you really really desperate for an invite let me know.
>>
>> Mick
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Re: Topic Change: Does everyone like the Koala

[Andrew Swinn]

I haven't found any issue as yet, all working wonderfully for me. 
Although I cannot say I have been much of a power user of late as I have 
been spending a lot of time in Windows world due to work needs.

I see that the next version is going to be an LTS! Hopefully the team 
polish that sucker right up and deliver another outstanding release.

My only critisim of late is the desire to ditch long standing products 
for half baked new ones. I don't like reinventing of the wheel and would 
prefer to see more co-operation in developing individual products further.

Ubuntu is still a nice distro to work with. Heppy Ubuntu'ing!

Andrew Swinn

Andre Mangan wrote:
> 
> 
> 2009/11/15 bwright mailto:bwright...@gmail.com>>
> 
> In light of recent events, I thought I would take the liberty of
> changing the topic! How is everyone finding the Koala? Soft and cuddly
> or does it have claws and red eyes? I am quite pleased with the new
> boot screen and theme makes it more visually pleasing.
> 
> 
> 
> What a very good and positive idea!
> 
> Karmic Koala, on the desktop, is a considerable improvement over 
> previous releases.  It is fast to start and fast to shut down.  I have 
> not found any glitches yet.
> 
> The Netbook Remix of Karmic Koala is quite stunning and looks quite 
> different to the "norma  desktopl" version.  I have this running on an 
> Asus Eee PC 1000H.
> 
> Andre
> 
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Re: I'm leaving also...

[Andrew Swinn]

Sorry to see you go Chris.

Although there have been some comments thrown about  on the mailing list 
that are pushing the boundaries of the code of conduct I would hope that 
most users are strong enough to rise above it.

Remember, email is an emotionless medium. Keep this in mind and be sure 
to read emails with a positive and open mind.

Not everything diserves a response and sometimes you are better off just 
ignoring certain replies. As is often said, 'Don't feed the trolls'.

Keep the delete key handy.

As I have gone through life I have seen many many communities, both 
online and offline, that included people that have caused friction to 
myself and others. The challenge is learning to rise above this and to 
spin that negative into a positive. Quite often you won't be seeing the 
full picture, and with email communication this is even more so.

Life is too short to become hung up on the negative. Sometimes you just 
have to get over it and move on.

Regards,

Andrew Swinn

Norm wrote:
> Guys (and Girls)
> 
> Please don't be so precipitate...
> 
> I simply added the topic and a couple of the correspondents to my junk filter 
> and quick as a flash, no more problems.
> 
> Rather than leave the list, why don't you do the same? Perhaps the Mod might 
> think about the same??
> 
> Norm McMillan
> Mildura, Australia.
> The Wintersun City
> 
> Chris Jones wrote:
>> Sadly, I'll be following suit as Skythra and subscribing to this mailing
>> list.
>>
>> Whatever happened to the good old days of community spirit when it comes
>> to Ubuntu/Linux Development.
>>
>> There was a time where development of Ubuntu and any other Linux
>> Projects outside of the norm were encouraged.
>> We seemed to have bred a generation of Ubuntu Fan Boys who refuse to
>> take off the tin foil hat for a second and view the bigger picture.
>> And I'd also suggest some of you (no names mentioned) take a look at the
>> Ubuntu Code of Conduct and think about it deeply as you've obviously
>> never read and signed it!
>>
>> See you on the better side folks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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Re: My experience with Ubuntu...not great

[Andrew Swinn]

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 15:04 +1000, Lisa Milne wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 20:13 -0800, Microbe wrote:
> > Maybe that's it.
> > 
> > I can now see why someone described this whole process as dependency
> > hell.
> > 
> > It is a frustrating tail chasing exercise.
> > 
> > Bye Bye Linux.
> > 
> > I'll  be back when you are ready.
> 
> I tend to think it is more a case of you'll be back when _you_ are
> ready. At present you're trying to drive a car as though it were a
> motorbike, and blaming the car.

This prompted me the think about the whole Linux IS NOT Windows thing.

See http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

Expecting Linux to behave the same is not correct and it should be said
that there is still a need for awareness and what expectations you
should be setting for your experience/needs.

That document above to be a very good one to point out for anyone
looking for some clarification on this issue and some assistance on what
you should expect.

I also wanted to point out a personal success with Ubuntu 9.10. I have
this old IBM workstation that has always frustrated me because it
wouldn't work with my 1440x900 monitor resolution. Only ever displayed
the 4:3 ratio resolutions (ie 1024x768) and never looked right on a
widescreen. Loaded 9.10 on it yesterday and lo and behold it is
displaying 1440x900 from the get go. A big box full of win for me.
(Note: your experiences will vary greatly, as will be the same in the
Windows world too).

Regards,

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Brisbane Release party Reminder

[Andrew Gaydon]

Just a reminder about the Brisbane release party on Sunday.

Can you please let me know if you are coming.

See www.ubuntu.com.au for more details.

Cheers,

Andrew.


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>1. Re: webcam drivers for ubuntu 9.04 (Timmy)
>2. Estimated time of official release for Australia (In the scrub)
>3. New Member  In Mid West of WA (In the scrub)
>4. Re: Estimated time of official release for Australia (Scott Evans)
>5. Re: Ubuntu-Au Forum (In the scrub)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:53:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Timmy 
> Subject: Re: webcam drivers for ubuntu 9.04
> To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Here is a Video Tutorial for you on how to get WebCam working  in
> Ubuntu 9.04
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WajZ_pCh7Ag
>
> Please be aware that some Webcams do not work, but Logitech cam's
> almost always DO work! ;-)
>
> So I hope you have a Logitech... or a few different cams to try out...
>
> Just plug it in, get the msn client from that video i liked above and
> it will work out of the box
> you do not download and install drivers in linux like you do in
> windows
> if linux does not have the driver it will ask to download it otherwise
> it just won't work unless ur a ultra nerd who can rebuild the os to
> include it... never needed these days its all plug and play
>
> On 28 Oct, 17:48, depro  wrote:
>   
>> Where can I find a suitable Driver on the web, so I can use the webcam
>> on my laptop. Regards depro
>>
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> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:02:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: In the scrub 
> Subject: Estimated time of official release for Australia
> To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
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> Ok 29/10has arrived  any idea when it will be available for download
> in oz  also via Torrent so can seed  ?
> Cheers
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: In the scrub 
> Subject: New Member  In Mid West of WA
> To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
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>
> Hello all  thought time to join  via this NG
>
> Location Mid West of WA
> Ubuntu user since  08/08
>
> Have burned and distributed over 200 discs to potential users oz wide
> since December 06  for free
>
> By no means   techie or software savvy  just  bumble through  and
> usually solve issues for self or others
> by trial and error  scouring forums etc
>
> Live near Bary Kauler of puppy Linux   who actually also uses Ubuntu
> and others to stay up to date (lovely bloke)
>
>
> Few Tech heads in Geradton  and Perth want to kick on Ubuntu  a bit
> over here by reapiring old junked boxes and giving to the oldies and
> those that cant afford  or been exposed to 'puters much before . This
> has now created interest at senior Govt Level   and agree its  a good
> idea . Go hard but sorry no funds to help .But good work any way .
> Oldies who have hardly touched a machine before are using Ubuntu
> without any problems
>
> So how do we rekindle Ubuntu activity in West oz  ?
> Cheers
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:06:50 +1100
> From: Scott Evans 
> Subject: Re: Estimated time of official release for Australia
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Re: Installing Picasa 3 on Karmic Koala

[Andrew Swinn]

Hi Stephen,

I am curious about F-Spot not opening your camera images. What format 
are those files in?

Assumption would have me guessing they are RAW files but I am curious to 
know for sure.

Regards,

Andrew Swinn

Stephen wrote:
> Thanks Paul and Andre - Picasa loaded and working - HOORAY !  FSpot
> Manager would not open the images i loaded from my camera - so I am
> not impressed by it - Picasa works and I can now upload to my web
> albums.  Thanks again
> Stephen
>
> On 26 Oct, 15:02, Paul Gear  wrote:
>   
>> Andre Mangan wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> 2009/10/26 Stephen >> <mailto:stephen.coul...@gmail.com>>
>>>   
>>> Hi Paul
>>> Thanks -
>>> Tried entering the code you listed -  got this reply :
>>>   
>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>> Building dependency tree
>>> Reading state information... Done
>>> E: Couldn't find package picasa
>>>   
>>> re Software Sources - no - i don't have Goodle Deb listed - what do it
>>> write in Software Sources - Other software ?
>>>   
>> On my system i have this in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google.list:
>> debhttp://dl.google.com/linux/deb/stable non-free
>> debhttp://dl.google.com/linux/deb/testing non-free> ...
>> 
>>> Below is the direct URL to get Picasa for Ubuntu
>>> ...
>>> No need to change your sources list unless you want automatic updates.
>>>   
>> Which you do, of course.  Unless you have a VERY good reason, there
>> should never be a time where you don't want automatic updates on all of
>> your software.  Security vulnerabilities pop up with alarming
>> regularity, in the most innocuous of packages.
>>
>> And you rarely should need to change sources.list itself - you're much
>> better off putting them in individual files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
>> for each different repository you use.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>  paul.vcf
>> < 1KViewDownload
>>
>>  smime.p7s
>> 6KViewDownload
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Brisbane Karmic Release Party - Announcement

[Andrew Gaydon]

Lets have a party to Celebrate the release of 9.10 Karmic Koala.
Just a casual meeting to say Gidday, and talk about Ubuntu and our 
Brisbane community.

When: 2pm  Sunday 1st November
Where:   The Beach House,   Garden City Shopping centre (Near the 
cinemas, look for the ubuntu Logo on our table)
What: An afternoon of cheer with beer. 
  
RSVP. Please email me and let me know that you can come so I can 
finalise numbers.

Cheers,

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Re: c-nile virus

[andrew]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 07:43:39PM +, pew...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've shared a document with you called "c-nile virus":  

H. is this supposed to be a joke or is it spam?

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Re: AUS LoCo Status

[Andrew Gaydon]

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>4. Re: Wireless Modem Problems #4  (Michael Harold)
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> Subject: AUS LoCo status?
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> at the moment, I thought I find out about the AUS loCo ...
>
> 1. The LoCoTeam List (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList) leads me to
> http://www.ubuntu.com.au/ which appears to have had no activity since June
> 2008
> 2. LoCoTeamList also leads me to
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeamwhich appears to have had no
> activity updates since Aug 2008
> 3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam directs me to
> http://ubuntu.org.au/, which is the same as #1 above.
> 4. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members has had a recent update
> onlya few days ago with an addition for Sth AUS. (and now me)
> 5. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam shows no meetings or newsletters
> since June 2008
> 6. Planet AU (http://planet.ubuntu.org.au/) appears to have little Ubuntu
> activity
> 7. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseParties shows nothing occurred for
> AUS
>
> So I make the assessment that Australia LoCo is either a very stagnant or
> dead LoCo? Is this a fair assessment? If not, what/where have I missed for
> info and activities of AUS LoCo? If it is a fair assessment, why is this the
> case? Do AU Ubuntu'ites like it this way?
>
> I'm not trying to play or stir politics - if there has been any on this
> topic in the past - but just trying to understand the current status. Is
> this list the only real communication and activity of ubuntu-au?
>
> Thanks.
>
>   
Hi Jason,

Good points that you make, a while back I joined the www.ubuntu.com.au 
website and had made the same observations.
I submitted some emails to the appropriate people (that I thought) 
asking about the group and in particular the website.

I live in Brisbane, and would love to get in contact with the users up 
here. I also have some Drupal experience and can see that the 
ubuntu.com.au website can be improved, to be more useful and I am more 
that happy to help out.


As I see it, unless there is some pro-activity, then this wonderful 
project called "Ubuntu" will not propagate throughout the community 
because the product quality is certainly up there with the best.

If not many people know about the alternatives to MS, then how can they 
make an informed choice about which OS to use. (even more important 
given Windows 7 is just around the corner)


Maybe the New year will mobilise some activity within the Australian 
Ubuntu community.

Cheers,
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Re: Stickers and case badges?

[andrew]

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:50:39PM +1100, Jason Allen wrote:

> I've managed to miss the availability of Ubuntu stickers and case badges
> over the last couple of years and after seeing a sticker on laptop in an
> office today, it's reminded me that I really want some and feel 'naked'
> without any.
> 
> Are they available from anywhere? Or the hi-res images files of them so I
> can get some made up for myself?

I have always picked up a brace of stickers when I have ordered free
cds from:

https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

Not sure if you can get them elsewhere for the same great price :-).

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Re: Crazy permissions on mounted Samba Shares

[Andrew Otte]

On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 15:54 +1000, Andrew Otte wrote:
> Have 64bit intrepid running and am having crazy permission problems on
> mounted Samba shares from a network hard drive.
> 
> Here is an example fstab line
> //mybookworld/dad /media/mybook/dad cifs
> user=reg,password=,iocharset=utf8,noperm,rw,gid=1000,uid=reg,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777
>  0 0
> 
> I have tried everything and yet I can only open documents as read only
> in openoffice - I have read man pages and have tried all sorts of
> variations and still no joy.  Have missed something or is there a bug?
> 
> Thanks
> 
OK - once you make it to page 73 at the ubuntuforums on mounting samba
shares you discover that you need to add nounix and nobrl to the list of
options then voila.

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Crazy permissions on mounted Samba Shares

[Andrew Otte]

Have 64bit intrepid running and am having crazy permission problems on
mounted Samba shares from a network hard drive.

Here is an example fstab line
//mybookworld/dad /media/mybook/dad cifs
user=reg,password=,iocharset=utf8,noperm,rw,gid=1000,uid=reg,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777
 0 0

I have tried everything and yet I can only open documents as read only
in openoffice - I have read man pages and have tried all sorts of
variations and still no joy.  Have missed something or is there a bug?

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Re: undelete help

[Andrew Otte]

On Mon, 5 May 2008 7:29:08 am Rapael Morcha wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 11:45:18PM +1000, Andrew Otte wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> [... never used unison ...]
>
> > there is a folder named '.trash-1000' It contains many binary files and I
> > am sure one of them "is" the folder I am after.  I am using kubuntu 8.04.
> >  Can someone point me to a way to getting the stuff out of these files in
> > this folder.
>
> try 'cp
> /somewhere/in/outerspace/.trash-1000/files/agreenbigeyedcreature.png
> ~/earth/;' then do 'rm
> /somewhere/in/outerspace/.trash-1000/info/agreenbigeyedcreature.png.trashin
>fo;' --
> Cheers,
> Raphael

This shifted the binary file to another place but that's it.  I spose I need 
to find out why these are binary files and not merely copies of the 
directories.  Unison may have done it or they may have come from a Samba 
share on a network harddrive.  The said file is approximately the same size 
as the directory that disappeared that's why I want to get at its contents.  
Anyone else have a clue how to get at this data?


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undelete help

[Andrew Otte]

Hi,
Was fiddling with some backups using unison to a network hardrive and 
inadvertently deleted a folder with unison.  On the drive the folder was on 
there is a folder named '.trash-1000' It contains many binary files and I am 
sure one of them "is" the folder I am after.  I am using kubuntu 8.04.  Can 
someone point me to a way to getting the stuff out of these files in this 
folder.
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Re: linksys help needed

[Andrew Otte]

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 1:36:45 pm James Takac wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> I'm trying to set up my wireless router without any luck to speak of as
> yet. The router is a linksys WRT54G and the modem a netgear DM111P. From
> what I gather on the lights on the linksys it sees the net thru the modem
> as the internet light is on when I connect the hardware, but I still can't
> get out onto the net at all from any pc even over the ethernet cables so
> have had to resort to my old netgear wired router just to keep the net
> going my end. I've tried going thru the manual and it hasn't helped me nor
> have the various sites I checked online, not even the ubuntu documentation.
> Anyone know how I might get this hardware combo going or is there a better
> router/modem combo which can buy here in Aus
>
> Pref to get working what I have of course
>
> James

I have a wrt54gs router working fine but I have the optus supplied dlink 
modem.  
Can you get the DM111P to work direct into a pc?  Then you know it's 
connection is fine?
Is the modem connected to the right plug on the router - mine is 
labelled "internet"?
Have you set the DNS addresses of your provider into the router and/or linux?
There are so many possibilities even before we touch the wireless stuff.

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Re: kmail Q

[Andrew Otte]

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 2:08:09 am James Takac wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> Seems this laptop has become a cat ass trophy again. Since my cat sat on
> the keyboard (sorry, not the mat) mt view when I reply or create a new mail
> has changed. Earlier the icons re reply, attach, cut, copy, etc were across
> the top. Now they're to the left. Anyone know how I can return that to the
> earlier default view?
>
> James
>
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> what is elusive and deceptive resolves itself into crystal clearness
>
> Mahatma Gandhi

James,
You should find some small lines at the top of the toolbar (or far left if at 
the top of the window) just click on them and you can drag the toolbar.  It 
will automagically jump to the top of the window when you move it close 
enough.

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(fwd) [first_tuesday] Next meeting - Tuesday 5th February, 2008 - Andrew Shugg on Linux Bare Metal Recovery (Mondo Rescue)

[Andrew Shugg]

Hello,

Ubuntuers in Perth may be interested in a presentation I am giving next
Tuesday on bare-metal system recovery with Mondo Rescue - details
attached.  It's not Ubuntu-specific but works just as well on Ubuntu
systems as on Debian, Fedora, RHEL, SuSE, Gentoo, etc...  =)

Thanks,

Andrew S.

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Hi all,

Another late meeting notice... sorry.  But you all knew it was coming,
didn't you?


==

  AUUG Western Australian Chapter Meeting

and

SAGE-AU Western Australian Chapter Meeting  
  

   - 5th February 2008 -

  This month's meeting is sponsored and presented by:

   ** SAGE-AU: The System Administrators Guild of Australia **

==


DATE:   Tuesday February 5th, 2008

TIME:   6:00 PM (drinks), 6:30 PM (meeting)

VENUE:  Moon and Sixpence British Pub
300 Murray St
Perth 6000


.: AGENDA :.


[6:00pm] Meet for drinks and chat at "The Stables" in the rear of the
pub.  The area is roped off with signage announcing the meeting.

[6:25pm]  Migration to the Raine Room of the adjoining Comfort Inn.

[6:30pm]  Welcome & Weekly War Stories.

[6:35pm]  Meeting commences.

This month's topic is Linux Bare Metal Recovery (Mondo Rescue),
presented by Andrew Shugg.


  "Hopefully all of you who came to the November 2007 meeting for the
  presentation of StorageCraft's ShadowProtect software will have gone
  away with your free copy of the product to excitedly try out on all
  your Windows PCs and servers.  Can you remember when bare-metal
  recovery was HARD?

  "This month I will be demonstrating Mondo Rescue, a freely available
  software package for PCs running GNU/Linux and FreeBSD operating
  systems.  Mondo Rescue can help you achieve many of the things you can
  do with ShadowProtect in Windows - system cloning, hardware
  independent restore, bare metal recovery, physical-to-virtual
  migration, OS provisioning, and the like.

  "They work in completely separate ways, however, and the concepts of
  one do not necessarily apply to the other.  Join me for this
  presentation and learn a lot of things that Mondo Rescue CAN do, as
  well as a frank and honest appraisal of what it CAN'T do.  Yet..."


Andrew Shugg is a Senior Consultant at E&P I.T. Solutions.  Their
servers (and more importantly, their customers' servers) are too
frightened to _ever_ need bare-metal recovery.

[7:30pm]  Meeting close.  Migration back to the pub for beer, soft
drinks, sandwiches, Q&A, and General Discussion of current IT issues.


.: DIRECTIONS :.


The Moon and Sixpence pub is located on Murray Street, Perth, between
Queen and William Streets.  It is within easy walking distance of the
Busport, Wellington Street Bus Station or Perth Train Station.  For
those who are driving, Murray Street is one-way with vehicle entry
available from Milligan Street.  Parking is available from one of
several City of Perth carparks located along Murray Street, as well as
in bays on Murray Street itself.  Find your way there with Google Maps!

  http://tinyurl.com/38ad45

Or if that doesn't work, full URL below[1].

You can also check the menu and beers list at their website:

  http://www.moonandsixpence.com.au/


.: MAILING LIST DISCLAIMER :.
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Please pass this message on to any other people that you know who might
be interested in attending - system administrators, technicians,
engineers, hobbyists, enthusiasts, etc.  Everyone is welcome!
Permission to forward this message overrides any mailing list disclaimer
that may appear below.


.: ABOUT "FIRST TUESDAY" :.
---

The WA "First Tuesday" monthly meetings are jointly sponsored by SAGE-AU
and AUUG, with this month being sponsored by SAGE-AU.  Non-members are
welcome to attend up to two meetings before being requested to join
SAGE-AU and/or AUUG as financial members.  Membership forms are
available at the meetings, or you can join online at their websites
(http://www.sage-au.org.au/ and http://www.auug.org.au/).


On behalf of SAGE-AU, I look forward to seeing you at the February 2008
meeting!

Regards,

Andrew S.

[1]  
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=moon+%26+sixpence,+perth&ie=UTF8&ll=-31.951598,115.858598&spn=0.00985,0.016887

Re: eeePC

[Andrew G]

Hi there.

I have a close friend thinking about getting one. She is concerned
that the screen resolution will be too low (like 640x800). She likes
to view heaps of items simultaneously on her desktop... what is the
resolution like on the eeePC? I haven't seen one yet... may get into
Good Guys today.. I guess I'm wondering what it is like to work on a
PC with a small screen? Especially for things like typing up
assignments..

thanks,
Andrew

On 22 Jan, 10:31, Les Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the info, Mark. I've got just a couple more questions.
>
> Am Dienstag, den 22.01.2008, 09:17 +1100 schrieb Mark M Lambert:
>
> > You still have to fill out the access form and hand it in at Library
> > level 2. Best to do it before session one starts and things get busy.
>
> As I understand it, when you hand in that form you also make an
> appointment with Uniwide, so that they can install a VPN client on your
> machine. Obviously, I won't be doing that if I'm running Linux. But do
> they need to be told that? What other contact with Uniwide is necessary
> besides handing in the form and (presumably) not making a configuration
> appointment? I'd want to avoid a situation where Uniwide says 'Oh, he
> didn't come back for his appointment. We won't set up his access, then.'
>
> > I have attached a config file for the
> > UNSW VPN, from the network-manager VPN config GUI you can import this
> > file. Make sure you override the username with your username
> > (student/staff number).
>
> Thanks, but unfortunately I didn't get the attachment.
>
> Also, how do you find the bootup time and the battery life on
> eeeXubuntu? Basically, I'm looking to get the fastest booting OS with
> the longest battery life on the eeePC, but which is still a
> fully-fledged desktop.
>
> Cheers,
> Les
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Re: Ubuntu on Dell laptops here in Aus?

[Andrew G]

Hi dov,

I just wanted to say thank for all this detailed info. Also, the ASUS
Eee PC sounds like a fun & practical PC to have (I've recommend it to
a friend who wants to use a laptop for standard tasks..) and I'll
probably still get a Dell as I'd like to still be able to play around
with Ubuntu. I imagine a Dell PC will give me the ability to more
readily explore and experiment than the ASUS EEE?

I'll probably wait a few more months anyway to see whether Dell AU
releases a Dell with an Ubuntu option. And also see how the ASUS eee
is handling.. sounds like it's pretty successful to date!

regards,
Andrew

On 18 Jan, 16:18, Dov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not sure if the market out this part of the world is considered big
> enough. Hey, Dells ship to here from Malaysia! Dell does offer great
> bang for your buck though and it has a good Dell-Linux section on the
> web. I got my Inspiron 1501 a while ago and put Ubuntu on it. Learned
> enough in the process to give the following tips:
>
> - For general Laptop selection, try and get one with nVidia instead of
> ATI (although the ATI drivers for Linux are improving a lot)
> - Try and get a model that is supported for Linux in the US.
> - You can download the Dell version of Ubuntu Gutsy off their website
> with all their hacks and drivers in it. Unfortunately it's a DVD sized
> download. No idea why.
> - When you reformat the hard drive, leave the two small Dell
> partitions intact (one at the start of the drive and another at the
> end). If you have issues with your laptop, they expect that you will
> be able to run their own diagnostics on it to help them with problem
> shooting. The other partition is a restore partition that restores the
> whole hard drive to it's original specs when it left the factory.
> - If you adapt your system on the Dell website (I recommend that you
> do!), choose XP instead of Vista. The price of the OS's looks the
> same, but they increase the price of the OTHER parts of the laptop if
> you select Vista. Spread the price elsewhere.
>
> I really do recommend the Dells though. They're working hard to be
> Linux friendly overall and they can't be beaten on price.
>
> While you're in NZ, Dick Smith used to sell computers without an OS
> and hand you a Linux CD on the way out. Not sure if they still do
> though...
>
> dov
>
> On Jan 11, 10:08 am, Andrew G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi there. I'm probably going to get a laptop this year... and I found
> > this (http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?
> > c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&dgc=IR&cid=11973&lid=471885) and am pretty
> > stoked. After perusing the Dell Aussie site though, this doesn't seem
> > to be an option for us.. is that right?
>
> > thanks,
> > Andrew
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Re: Ubuntu on Dell laptops here in Aus?

[Andrew G]

Hey Melissa.

Thanks for the response. I'm currently on holiday in New Zealand, and
when I called Dell and asked here.. I got a complete blank from the
person on the other end of the phone as to what Ubuntu is. I might
well try and call Dell when I get back to Aussie though.

I'm in no major rush. In terms of the calendar year, what is "the end
of the first quarter" mean? April-ish?

I checked out The Good Guys online... and I found an Acer, there's
just not much detail about it. And I trust you that some have Ubuntu
on ;) .. more curious about the price and specs.

thanks,
Andrew

On 12 Jan, 21:52, Melissa Draper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew G wrote:
>
>  > Hi there. I'm probably going to get a laptop this year... and I found
>  > this (http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?
>  > c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&dgc=IR&cid=11973&lid=471885) and am pretty
>  > stoked. After perusing the Dell Aussie site though, this doesn't seem
>  > to be an option for us.. is that right?
>  >
>  > thanks,
>  > Andrew
>  >
>
> At this point, no the Ubuntu product range has not yet hit Aussie
> shores. However there are some Acers in The Good Guys stores that have
> Ubuntu pre-installed.
>
> However, I would be strongly surprised if there is no sign of Aussie
> Dellbuntu's by the end of the first quarter. Making contact with Dell
> and expressing your interest will not do any harm :)
>
> It just depends how much of a rush you're in.
>
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> (intl): +61 404 595 395
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Ubuntu on Dell laptops here in Aus?

[Andrew G]

Hi there. I'm probably going to get a laptop this year... and I found
this (http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?
c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&dgc=IR&cid=11973&lid=471885) and am pretty
stoked. After perusing the Dell Aussie site though, this doesn't seem
to be an option for us.. is that right?

thanks,
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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

[Andrew Shugg]

Nathan Herholdt said:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just setting up a Ubuntu server for the first time and am having
> some trouble (I think). Does Ubuntu have a desktop manager for the
> system, something that looks like normal Ubuntu? If so, how do I get
> to it. I can get as far as putting my login info into a black and
> white screen.

That's it.  The server edition does not install a graphical desktop
environment.  If you're not comfortable with the command-line methods of
server administration, there's nothing wrong with installing Ubuntu
desktop edition and then installing the server software you want to
administer (e.g. Apache).

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Re: Spellcheck

[Andrew Shugg]

Karl Goetz said:
> check you have a spelling dictionary installed (which evo makes it sound
> like you do), then make sure openoffice has a dictionary selected with
> 'abc' and a tick next to it.
> kk

OOo uses its own dictionary as far as I know; however recent versions
have a wizard (under File -> Wizards -> Install new dictionaries...)
that helps you to install the appropriate dictinonary, thesaurus,
hyphenation file etc.

The information on this page may also be helpful:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalCustomisation/Australia

Andrew.

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Re: archiver to split backups for ftp upload

[Andrew Shugg]

Sridhar Dhanapalan said:
> There's no need for archival/compression programmes :)
> 
> The main question you should be asking, however, is why you need to split the 
> file in the first place. If you're uploading using a tool like rsync, you 
> shouldn't need to.

rsync can resume partial transfers but does so by copying the upload "so
far" rather than just appending to it (though there are good reasons for
this), so to upload a 70GB file with the option of resuming you would
need up to 140GB of available space...

The use of split(1) is a good suggestion, though I do recommend
verifying the integrity of the files before & after with md5sum/sha1sum
or using the -c (md4 checksum) flag on rsync for the final pass.

Andrew.

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Re: Back up help

[Andrew Shugg]

Sridhar Dhanapalan said:
> A major caveat wrt 7zip is that it does not store the owners and groups of 
> files. I wouldn't use this format if storing correct permissions is of 
> importance.

True; the p7zip man page (man 7z) details how to use tar to do that, in
conjunction with p7zip.  See the "Backup and limitations" section of the
man page.

Andrew.

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Re: Back up help

[Andrew Shugg]

Matthew Rossi said:
> Hi.  Currently I am in the process of burning my files onto blank dvd-r's as
> i will have a new computer arrive in the new year.  I have a set of videos
> that I dubbed from a miniDV tape using firewire and kino (you need to run
> kino in root to capture using firewire).  I have burnt the first disc, but I
> have another 12 GB to go.  I have 4 videos here.  2 of them are 1.8GB, 1 is
> 3.6GB and the other is 5.1GB.  I can only burn to single-layer dvds.  How
> can I fit these videos onto disc without compressing too much (I want to
> retain as much quality on it as possible)?  Thank you in advance.

If you want to hang on to your originals you can fit them onto smaller
media by creating multi-volume archives (set volume size to around
4480mb) with a file compression program such as p7zip (you turn file
compression off though as the savings with raw video data are not worth
the time it takes to compress).

If you're paranoid and/or worried about losing the whole lot if a disc
gets damaged, look at par2 for creating recovery archives from a file or
file set.  (Kind of a file-level RAID, allowing you to rebuild damaged
files from redundant information.)

Andrew.

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