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On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Easwar Hariharan meindian...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you are using an MTNL Triband connection, try the following

 1]Try wgetting different pages, for example

 wget www.google.com
 wget www.yahoo.co.in

 2] Check the IP the sites resolve to (part of the wget output)
 3] If they are the same, your router probably switches to the wrong PVC at
 the times you are not able to load pages. My observation when this has
 affected me is that the problem usually goes away on its own, in a few hours
 or at max one day.

That was valuable input, but I see this problem with firefox, if I
avoid firefox everything seems to be normal.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:51 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 See article below,

 Start Article

 Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686
 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-wont-run.html
 If you're planning on using Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat on a computer with a
 processor older than i686, well... you can't.

 Ubuntu 10.10 will be dropping support for i386-i586 processors so it can take
 advantage of the i686 optimizations.


 But there seem to be some issues with this: even some new processors which are
 especially designed for low power consumption are i586. Such a processor is
 the Geode LX800 - a pretty new processor for which a bug has been filled on
 Launchpad but which most probably won't be fixed since Geode LX800 is a i586
 processor.


 Thanks to Manish for the heads up!

 end article
 ***

 My Thoughts:

 I thought that such moves were what M$ and FrApple would have done, make
 existing hard ware obsolete. If this is true its absolutely terrible news for
 ubuntu fans, what it might mean is migrating to another linux which will
 support a wider range of processors.

 What do other folks think about this

This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
users happy, and not 99%...
M$ made similar attempt in Vista and they failed, but that was much
bigger change than what ubuntu has made. So I kind of having mixed
reactions to Ubuntu these days...

Looking at recent buzz around Ubuntu, I am try phase out to some other OS...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:09 AM, VK techn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:50:25 +0530
 From: Mallikarjun(?)      mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com
 Subject: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem
 To: Ubuntu India Local Communityubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com
 Dear Friends,
    I think I have unique problem with firefox, once I start firefox and
 use Internet, Internet will not work properly, sometime pages load and
 sometimes doesn't.
 While this happens, I am able to ping the website... What do you think
 the problem is??? Any suggestions???
 ---
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 Yesterday (09-Jun-10) I had a similar experience,
 with MTNL (Mumbai, adsl broadband) internet access.
 Fortuniately I tracked the issue to this:
 The ISP's DNS server IPs had been changed
 (from 59.185.0.50 to 59.185.3.10).
 The moment I changed my adsl-router DNS settings to follow
 the ISP's DNS values (instead of the earlier hard-coded
 IPs) the problem was resolved. Please note that the
 hard-coded DNS values had been working for a very
 long time, perhaps at least six months or more.
 Hope this helps.

:( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
seems to be the same

I am wondering, how could firefox inhibit using internet...
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

 :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
 seems to be the same
 Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
 drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

I am getting some really valuable suggestions, even if my problem is
un-resolved I would not mind...

Here are the results...

305 packets transmitted, 305 received, 0% packet loss, time 304299ms

Negative result :(


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
 seems to be the same
 Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
 drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 I am getting some really valuable suggestions, even if my problem is
 un-resolved I would not mind...

 Here are the results...

 305 packets transmitted, 305 received, 0% packet loss, time 304299ms

 Negative result :(

 Okay one last suggestion :D . Try running Wireshark in the background
 when you're browsing. Once you have collected some packets try to see
 if you any malformed packets (should show up in red).

I already thought of, waiting for free time
Anyway thanks for another nice suggestion




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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem (Mallikarjun)

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Ayush Maheshwari
ayush.ha...@gmail.com wrote:


  :( It din't help, I tried Norton DNS, Google DNS... and the problem
  seems to be the same

 Same problem here, but i'm using BSNL broadband  using firefox 3.5.

I am using BSNL broadband too...

 I'd problem in opening sites like
 iitr.ac.in
 wordpress.com/
 ...etcetra

If you specific sites not opening, then I think you can change DNS and
try... may be nortandns, opendns


 I used google public dns as well as my isp's dns. The problem appears to be
 same with Fedora 12 too, but Mandriva '08 loads the pages with the same DNS.
 I'd been facing it from the last 6 months.




  Have you tried leaving ping on for a minute or two? Look for packet
  drops. Sometime this could be due to a faulty NIC or network cable.

 Yes, it pings perfectly but goes into infinite loading of pages from
 firefox, konqueror, etc
 but as expected wget doesn't work for the pages .

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
 Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
 users happy, and not 99%...

 So, going by your logic, Ubuntu should release an ISO optimised for
 each processor family cos we are not happy with under-optimised
 distro.

I don't mean it, rather I meant, all the current happy users should
not be phased out from next release by changing hardware support...


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Won't Run On Processors Below i686

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/6/10 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:

 This is surely a bad news, if not to all, but to some... I think
 Ubuntu or rather any Open Source OS should think about making 100%
 users happy, and not 99%...

 I don't think it is as bad news as you are claiming. Ubuntu 10.04 is
 an LTS and hence it will be supported with bug fixes for 3 years. So
 even those who have very old hardware have a choice of running it for
 next three years. They will miss new features but that is not
 necessarily bad.

You have a valid point...

 No OS, open source or otherwise, can make 100% users happy. Because no
 matter what, they always find something to complain about.
 Open source is about freedom to choose. And that freedom is also valid
 for distribution makers. They have the right to decide what is best in
 long run from maintenance point of view. For example. Sparc port of
 Ubuntu, which is community maintained, will be decommissioned during
 Maverick cycle.

I meant, making current ubuntu users happy


 M$ made similar attempt in Vista and they failed, but that was much
 bigger change than what ubuntu has made. So I kind of having mixed
 reactions to Ubuntu these days...

 As you have already said Vista was much bigger change. Vista was not
 even capable of running on the systems in existence when it was
 release. Also the so called 'Vista Capable' systems also were not well
 equipped for Vista's intensive memory/processor usage.

 Looking at recent buzz around Ubuntu, I am try phase out to some other OS...

 Debian is a good choice. Also you can try Fedora.

I am considering Debian and Gentoo



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[ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-09 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

Dear Friends,

  I think I have unique problem with firefox, once I start firefox and
use Internet, Internet will not work properly, sometime pages load and
sometimes doesn't.
While this happens, I am able to ping the website... What do you think
the problem is??? Any suggestions???

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unique Firefox Problem

2010-06-09 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Saikiran Madugula
hummerbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/06/10 02:20, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
 Dear Friends,

   I think I have unique problem with firefox, once I start firefox and
 use Internet, Internet will not work properly, sometime pages load and
 sometimes doesn't.
 While this happens, I am able to ping the website... What do you think
 the problem is??? Any suggestions???

 ---
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 Well there can be many reasons ... I would go this way ...

 Do they work in other browsers ? (Try loading the website using a text-based
 browser such as lynx).

When I start firefox, others browsers also have some problem

 Do you have any addons/extensions installed on firefox ?

No...

 Does the webpage you are trying to load has flash ? If so install flashblock

No...

 firefox extension and see if it helps.
 Do wget of the webpage that doesnt load - does it work ?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Is it OK to jump updates?

2010-06-03 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thats exactly the issue. The update manager pops up every day and shows me
 70MB of updates available. The updates are just minor version updates like
 1.0.0.1 from 1.0.0.0 and it does not seem worth the bandwidth especially
 when i am on a limited data plan.


Try not to avoid Security Updates if you are a decent Internet User
(If not also)...
They are worth more than your Bandwidth...

Also there is some configuration in gconf-editor through which you
will be able to control when those updates should be notified



 Thank you all once again.
 Regards

 Narendra Diwate




 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 18:27, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi
 
  Is it OK to skip/jump updates?
 
  What I mean is if i have a package version 1 and a few days later
  version 2
  is available, can i skip it and update directly when version 3 or 4 is
  available? For packages that have many dependencies will this have a
  possibility of breakage or dependency issues?

 Yes. It is perfectly fine. Whatever update was done in version 2 is
 going to stay in 3 and 4 as well. Also updates do not usually affect
 the other packages depending on the one being updated. If it does
 indeed affect other packages, then such packages are updated as well.
 You should check the changelog to decide if an update is worth your
 bandwidth or not, specifically when package in question is a big one
 like OO.o or Firefox.
 Of course you should not ideally skip security updates. And in recent
 versions of Ubuntu you get popup every day if you have pending
 security updates.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] screen lock and then hibernate

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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Jkhatri khatri.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear all)

 I'm facing a strange problem since this morning, my system (ubuntu 10.04
 64bit ) suddenly gates screen locked as soon as I try to activate the
 system by entering the password system goes in to hibernation. I'm not able
 to do my routine work due to this pro.

 what it could be ?

I don't exactly know the problem, but I can suggest some possible checkups...

1) Launch Power Manger application and see if any change in preferences...

2) Launch System Monitor and stop gnome-power-manager and see if
the problem solved...

3) Also Alt+F2 -- gconf-editor-- apps -- gnome-power-manager and
check for some problems...




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[ubuntu-in] Help needed in Configuring BSNL WLL CT800P

2010-05-18 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

Dear friends,
  Recently I became sick of using unreliable BSNL on my remote
village, and planing to use BSNL WLL. So I borrowed it from my friend
just to check if it works on Ubuntu... But failed miserably, I hope
community is here to help me solve the problem

I don't know anything about configuring USB Modem's in GNU/Linux
systems, so tried googling and found so many articles, started trying
one by one and none worked to my misfortune... Some say use Pom,
another wvdialconf and another pppoe. Can you guys point me to some
article or explain how to go about...

Also, modem is not getting detected in my system, using GnomePPP, I
got error message saying Modem not found...


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Help needed in Configuring BSNL WLL CT800P

2010-05-18 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 There are quite a few posts in Ubuntuforums for BSNL. Just search them for
 solutions. While I have no experience with BSNL whether PPPOE, WLL or
 Dialup, i am sure there are quite a few subscribers here who use BSNL that
 can chip in and help resolve this.

As you said there are quiet a lot, I tried few and gave up.., So those
who are using already can point me to some tutorial which works...


 And do not worry. This is not such a difficult issue at all.

I am not worried as such, but sooner the solution found better it is...

 Regards

 Narendra Diwate




 2010/5/18 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com

 Dear friends,
  Recently I became sick of using unreliable BSNL on my remote
 village, and planing to use BSNL WLL. So I borrowed it from my friend
 just to check if it works on Ubuntu... But failed miserably, I hope
 community is here to help me solve the problem

 I don't know anything about configuring USB Modem's in GNU/Linux
 systems, so tried googling and found so many articles, started trying
 one by one and none worked to my misfortune... Some say use Pom,
 another wvdialconf and another pppoe. Can you guys point me to some
 article or explain how to go about...

 Also, modem is not getting detected in my system, using GnomePPP, I
 got error message saying Modem not found...


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Re: [ubuntu-in] How best to clear Var apt cache

2010-05-16 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.comwrote:

  I know i can go gksu nautilus and delete the Apt Cache in /var, but is
 there
  a better way of doing it.
  Something that will delete all extraneous cache and log files that
 buildup
  after a while of usage. Something like CCleaner in Windows. I know Linux
  does not collect too much extraneous data, but i am sure there is a lot
 that
  can be cleaned to clear up space on a space constrained drive/partition.
 
 
 Yea, you are right.
 /sudo apt-get clean/
 Also now and then you can run *Computer Janitor* program under *System --
 Admin*

 I think both the above methods only delete packages that are currently not
 needed and have no use. But it does not delete temp files, browser cache,
 thumbnails, old logs, application caches, etc. That is what i am more
 interested in knowing.


With my limited knowledge, I don't think there is any single application
which does all these.

sudo apt-get clean  Will clean all the deb files stored in
/var/cache/apt/archives

sudo apt-get autoremove -- remove programs not required like libraries

Browser Cache -- You can configure your Browser to remove them all,
depending on the browser

temp files -- May be you can remove manually, I think will be cleared when
you restart your session

applications caches --- I really don't know. I would like to hear about
this...

old logs --- I donno...


It is a good idea to write a script which does it all







  Any ideas where this buildup happens and how to safely clean/clear it?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Two questions about 10.04 (Lucid Lynx)

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Friends,

I think, you should have started a new thread...



 Thanks for the many replies on Ubuntu 10.04 , they were mostly lucid ;-)

 Seems like its been a good ride so far, no major issues, which is really good.

 Am guessing as soon as i can get hold of a copy.

 Which brings me to the second question (below)

 My 9.10 occupies about 12 Gig of space (and lots is available)

 /dev/sda7              22G   12G  8.3G  59% /

 I know from experience from 9.10 that is overloaded with multiple
 programmes for everything. (since i installed the Ultimate Version)
 the good thing was everything worked out of the box (specially media
 codecs). The disadvantage obviously too many things meaning a lot more
 updates.

 Am not convinced that the default Ubuntu available for download is a
 good option - it requires too much tweaking and setting up to many
 things - esp if one has to do it in more that 1 machine. ( i will end
 up upgrading Ubuntu on 6 machines all in different physical locations
 none of who have any decent internet) So the requirement is clear -
 find a distro that is basically packed full of stuff and then do the
 needful systematically on the individual machines.

I have a suggestion, instead of installing Ubuntu Ultimate, just
install a live Ubuntu and do all the tweaking, installing stuff, and
so on...
Once you are done, install an app called remastersys and create a
remaster CD, which basically creates your system clone, there are some
more options too...

If you install on other systems, there you go... a Ultimate Ubutnu
without unnecessary packages


 Jobs included in the individual machines are
 1. Localizing fonts (copy fonts to a /home/foouser/.fonts directory
 2. Setting up local language keyboard and multiple language options
 3. Setting up 2 or 3 different internet access methods (making sure
 they work - like the Network Manager in 9.10 works for some and does
 not for others) some of which need a wvdial.conf script
 4. Setting up Google earth / skype ??
 6. Setting up offline dictionaries (and artha)
 7. Installing programmes that Ubuntu has dropped (gimp, gthumb,
 scribus etc) and many others that never ever come by default (marble,
 nut-nutrition,
  and some more that i cannot remember right now
 8. Setting up virtual box
 9. There are a whole lot of system tweaks - setting up autoback up in
 openoffice (for example) eyc

You can create a python script to do all the following, I think you
can spend less time to code than install...
If you find hard to program you can ask some one in community for
help, may be I could accept too... :P


 I guess you get the picture , so each machine takes a fair bit of time
 and since this is voluntary work (i enjoy seeing the latest and the
 bestest running and then see people get happy to have a new version to
 enjoy) but it is still a pain in the your know where, jst sitting
 around waiting for each machine to.

 Am thinking this time i will just do a system upgrade and then check
 for broken packages and then redo those. So am waiting to get my hands
 on the latest full 7-8 DVD repos. (see question below)

 and since its LTS i guess it will be stable for some time.

 Second Question

 are there folks selling 10.04 DVD's and the repository If so who has them

 and related to this - is it worth waiting a month before installing 10.04 -
 seems like there is always stuff that works better after a month of 
 corrections

Depends, if you are a normal user, just proceed...
If you are a power user, you can wait... I guess you know answer yourself...


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 So again look forward to your thoughts and of course where i could get
 the dvd repos.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Two questions about 10.04 (Lucid Lynx)

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Nandan Vaidya vaidya.nan...@gmail.comwrote:



 and related to this - is it worth waiting a month before installing 10.04
 -
 seems like there is always stuff that works better after a month of
 corrections

 **



 Hi !

 Even if you wait for a month and download the CD then, it will be the same
 installation image as the one that was released on 29th April. The original
 CDs are never respun to apply upgrades.

 Whatever goes through the SRU[1] queue till the time you install it, will
 be provided as an update via the update-manager along with any security
 fixes that come through.
 So either way, you will have to download and install the updates
 post-installation as and when they arrive irrespective of whether you
 install right away or wait a while.

There is a big difference though...

If he installs today (With updates) -- More vulnerable and more bugs
If he installs after sometime (With updates) -- Less vulnerable and less
bugs

I hope you got the point...



 Regards,
 Nandan

 P.S. Since 10.04 is an LTS expect 10.04.1 point release sometime in
 June/July. This WILL be a respun image including all the updates provided
 until that time. So if you wish you could wait till then

 [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Two questions about 10.04 (Lucid Lynx)

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 03:56:29PM +0530, NARENDRA DIWATE wrote:
  I too have been using it since the first week of launch. It was a fresh
  install. Everything worked out of the box. No headaches at all. No
 updates
  till date. Basically very happy. I am using linux for the past 5 years
 and
  ubuntu for almost 4.

 No updates till date!!! Thats surprising!


Is Ubuntu dev dying out or 10.04 is very stable???
It am very sure second option is very much impossible(safe comment after
using over years I guess)

It has been 13 days since release, how can there be no updates? I am pretty
much surprised!!!





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Re: [ubuntu-in] Two questions about 10.04 (Lucid Lynx)

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:26 PM, $reeHari theneoind...@gmail.com wrote:

 I upgraded to 10.04 from karmic a few days ago . As of now , I haven't
 experienced anything special . Everything's as it was (at least most ) .
 Then , there maybe some new features , like the  MeMenu  , which i don't
 use ;) and the Ubuntu One is working fine now. I think the boot time is
 slightly improved (not sure ) . Overall , I don't think it is any necessary
 to upgrade to 10.04 unless u are curious or want to try out the latest stuff
 . Also , the upgrade may fail , in case you may 've to do a lot of work .


What else can you expect? latest stable Kernel, latest Gnome version, few
look and feel changes and all latest version of applications.

This is the main reason I started to dislike Rolling release, which is much
better than Fixed release. As I cannot think of any valid reason in which
Fixed release is better...
Can anyone justify??? I would love to hear your views...



 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Saikiran Madugula 
 hummerbl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 11/05/10 15:38, Onkar Shinde wrote:
  On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Nitesh Mistry 
 mail...@mistrynitesh.net wrote:
  On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 03:56:29PM +0530, NARENDRA DIWATE wrote:
  I too have been using it since the first week of launch. It was a
 fresh
  install. Everything worked out of the box. No headaches at all. No
 updates
  till date. Basically very happy. I am using linux for the past 5 years
 and
  ubuntu for almost 4.
 
  No updates till date!!! Thats surprising!
 
  That is because most of the updates are waiting in -proposed queue
  (mostly gnome modules/apps). Also considering that UDS is going on I
  bet most core developers, SRU approvers and archive admins are busy.
 

 I received many updates on 10.04 since the release. Is this what OP was
 referring to ?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Updates to 10.04

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:30 AM, NARENDRA DIWATE
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had just yesterday sais on this list that there were no updates for my
 install even after 2 weeks. Today however i find 61Mb of updates ready.
 I see a new kenel ready for update which is marked New Install. What does
 this mean.

That means a new kernel version is ready to be installed. The reason
it is marked new install, it is infact a new install (not trying to
be funny), after you install there will be 2 kernel versions showing
at boot time (so it is not a update/upgrade, but a new install). Using
synaptic package mgr, you can uninstall the older version of kernel.

Few reason I can think of
1) Upgrading to a new kernel can break your system sometimes, so if it
is a new install, you can test it and stay with new kernel or move
back to old one...
2) some people stick a particular kernel because of their
configurations like OpenVZ (amature explaination, as I am one...)


 It is very usual in every release to have a new kernel sooner the release.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Upgrading directly to 10.04 LTS from 8.04LTS

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:57 AM, ashish makani ashish.mak...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi folks
 On one of my university machines, we have an older Ubuntu version 8.04 LTS
 I want to upgrade to the latest 10.04 release(lucid lynx).
 I think  i have 2 options
 1. Using the update manager
 Is there a way to upgrade directly to 10.04 using Upgrade manager ?
 When i run Update manager, it shows release 8.10 is available.
 Do I have to upgrade, release by release,
 8.04 == 8.10,
 8.10 == 9.04
 9.04 == 9.10,
  then 9.10 == 10.04

This is ridiculous!!! Don't every try that in your vaguest
imaginations/dreams. :P

I feel this is how you go about it (I donno if it works)

Open Software Sources -- Go to Updates tab -- at bottom you can
see show distribution release and select  Long term support release
over Normal release

And try Alt+F2 update-manager -d


 2. Installing from CD ?
 The other option that i thought of is, burning the 10.04 iso on a cd/dvd , 
 try to install from cd.


Safer allways than network upgrade

 I am kind of a linux/ubuntu n00b  want to upgrade to 10.04 fast, with as
 little effort as possible :)

never feel so...

 Which one do you experience Ubuntu hackers  recommend ?
 Are there other better ways ?
 Advice/Links/Suggestions/Comments welcome
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu and Archlinux Dual boot

2010-05-08 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.comwrote:

 2010/4/26 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On 4/26/10, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Arch is the best (well documented) rolling release. No other beginner
   friendly ones that I am aware of. But you can look at it this way,
   once you've spent the effort in setting it up the first time you don't
   really have to do much to keep it running. You should also be aware
   that you will usually have bleeding edge software and compatibility
   might break from time to time (this is anecdotal of course, YMMV).
 
  So what kind of net connection is required for Arch -
 
  from what i can gather a pretty reliable and fat pipe seems to be the
  order of the day.
 
  was realy curious what rolling release meant - so checked the wiki
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release
 
  A rolling release is typically implemented using small and frequent
  updates. However, simply having updates does not automatically mean
  that a piece of software is using a rolling release cycle; to qualify
  as a rolling release, the philosophy of developers must be to work
  with one code branch, as opposed to discrete versions. Updates are
  typically delivered to users using a package manager and a software
  repository accessed through the internet.
 
  seems to me that this is something that requires constant access to
  the net and also not really meant for systems that require stability.
  The latter because there is no way such solling release can account
  for individual systems setup and cutomized (or can it)
 
  The advantage i see is that instead of lump sum one gets small updates
  (maybe) and it means that after the initial install , maybe, one can
  survive on a small bandwidth.
 
  There won't be patches, anything recitified will automatically appear
  in the main rolling release
 
  Also it probably means there is never going to be any excitement /
  hype about the latest release. Once you install a rolling release all
  one can say is aha my system is the same as it was 10 years ago -
  thats something actually.
 
  on the bright side, no need to reinstall with every release(Of course
  Upgrade option is there, but I say Upgrade is fairly usless to 60% of
 the
  users, reinstallation will give a different feel than Upgrade)
 
  Now I feel should give a try to Arch and Gentoo.

 You should! It's a great learning experience. I learnt a lot about
 linux configuration from Gentoo. Arch is my second favourite distro, I
 use it for work where I require latest and greatest versions of
 software :).


It is good to hear that you have had experiences with both the operating
systems,
A question to ask...

Can you enlighten me regarding package management about both Arch and
Gentoo?


 
  Ubuntu is becoming more of Suse I think, more commercialization than
  Democracy...

 Ubuntu was never a democracy [1]. There was a great outcry about this.
 Personally I don't really care, if Ubuntu doesn't work for me I can
 always switch to something that does (or if I have the requisite
 skills, build one of my own). But why does the commercialization
 bother you? They still give us the source code and I think it's a
 wonderful way to provide services built around an awesome OS.


Commercialization is no bother for me, of course every one work for money,
but a small scare for future with many *what if? *questions...



 [1] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-is-not-democratic.html
 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need to download this for offline use, any idea how

2010-05-08 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

 http://www.dameffects.org/

  
  need this interactive video / or whatever for off line use, any idea
 how
  to get
  it
 
 
  I think it is copywrited protected content.
  http://dameffects.org/dams10cs.swf is the file...
 
 
  Sorry I forgot to tell you the procedure (Avoid if you already know).
  Download the swf file using some download managers and open it in
  web-browser (my Movie-player does not have right codec to run .swf).

 The thing is i did not know, and still don't, righclicking on the file
 does nothing except open some dialog

 would appreciate the tips

 I didn't understand where you are struggling, so shall tell you procedure
 in steps in detail

 1) Install some Download Manager example *Gwget Download Manager*

 2) download the above swf file using *Gwget* (Click on new and paste the
 link into)

 3) Open swf file in Firefox.



One more procedure to download

1) Open Firefox -- Edit -- Preferences -- Applications

2) See the attached image and change accordingly

3) Now open the above link in firefox, it will start downloading the swf
file

Hope it helps


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Re: [ubuntu-in] [Ubuntu-in] Linux Partition

2010-05-04 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Mehdi akri...@gmail.com wrote:

 *Dear Friends*
 I have seen many kind of partition for linux. but i do not know that which
 one is the best.

 This is one example:
 /boot
 swap
 /root
 /home


(My Opinion)

I would like to comment on these partitions before I can answer your
questions

/boot -- Be careful before making this decision of creating boot partition.
The reason people create boot partition is that it will remain forever and
can add new OSs entries to the boot loader manually. You should get your
hands dirty when you change your OS... As you said, you are going to stick
into a single operating system, I dont think /boot partition is necessary.

swap -- AFAIK people create separate swap partition for security purpose,
so that they can encrypt the partition and save themselves while
hibernation.
If you are a normal user, just avoid it...

/root  /home -- I suggest it is a good idea to separate /root and /home
even for normal user, can be helpful while upgradition


It all depends on what kind of user you are... isn't it???



 But if i want ONLY install the Linux-Ubuntu on the h.D.D,
 1) what is the best choice for the making the partition?


We cannot say a particular choice is best or so. It all depends on how you
use your system.


 2) and how much space MIN require for the / Boot/root?


/Boot 100 MB is ideal, /root more than 10GB should be fine, also if you
install a lot of stuff root should be bigger




 because before i'm using the Linux  XP in the office, but from today i
 want just have the linux, and need the proper partition which can work for
 long times without any problem..


Gud luck.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu Desktop Environments

2010-05-04 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:14 AM, NARENDRA DIWATE
narendra.diw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi All

 I have recently installed LXDE alongside Gnome in Ubuntu 10.04. After
 starting the system I just looked at the System monitor to see the RAM usage
 in each case.
 GNOME uses about 270 MB of RAM, LXDE uses 185 and OpenBox uses 165 MB.
 However with GNOME/Openbox the processors were showing 90-95% use.

 So among the Ubuntu variants, does any one use any other DE other than the
 regular GNOME/KDE. In terms of installed size and memory (RAM) use which
 Desktop Environment / Window Manager would be most small / efficient. Say
 the whole system installed on around 1GB and RAM of around 125MB. And how
 can this be done. I know i can install the DE/WM in parallel to gnome, but
 will it be possible to remove Gnome and install the other DE /WM. Is this at
 all possible to install just the base OS and them chose which DE / WM and
 apps i chose to install.


Well, it is quiet hard to exactly say that my system uses 160MB of ram,
depends on various factors, like your ram, services running, applications
running, size of swap...

Yes it is definitely possible to completely remove Gnome and install other
DE's either manually -- use Synaptic package manager or
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD (I haven't tried,
but should work AFAIK) and install everything starting from network manager
to audio players...



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[ubuntu-in] Backup Gmail, Facebook, Twitter Wordpress

2010-04-27 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

Dear friends,
  I know this is quiet straight forward off-topic, but I am sure
Backup Gmail has recurred a lot of times in our mailing list. I hope
Admins won't have any problems
Google has recently added 3rd party apps on Gmail backupify is one
such app, for more details please visit http://www.backupify.com/;

I am still skeptic about security aspect, may be clear when I start using it.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu and Archlinux Dual boot

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 4/26/10, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Arch is the best (well documented) rolling release. No other beginner
  friendly ones that I am aware of. But you can look at it this way,
  once you've spent the effort in setting it up the first time you don't
  really have to do much to keep it running. You should also be aware
  that you will usually have bleeding edge software and compatibility
  might break from time to time (this is anecdotal of course, YMMV).

 So what kind of net connection is required for Arch -

 from what i can gather a pretty reliable and fat pipe seems to be the
 order of the day.

 was realy curious what rolling release meant - so checked the wiki
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release

 A rolling release is typically implemented using small and frequent
 updates. However, simply having updates does not automatically mean
 that a piece of software is using a rolling release cycle; to qualify
 as a rolling release, the philosophy of developers must be to work
 with one code branch, as opposed to discrete versions. Updates are
 typically delivered to users using a package manager and a software
 repository accessed through the internet.

 seems to me that this is something that requires constant access to
 the net and also not really meant for systems that require stability.
 The latter because there is no way such solling release can account
 for individual systems setup and cutomized (or can it)

 The advantage i see is that instead of lump sum one gets small updates
 (maybe) and it means that after the initial install , maybe, one can
 survive on a small bandwidth.

 There won't be patches, anything recitified will automatically appear
 in the main rolling release

 Also it probably means there is never going to be any excitement /
 hype about the latest release. Once you install a rolling release all
 one can say is aha my system is the same as it was 10 years ago -
 thats something actually.


on the bright side, no need to reinstall with every release(Of course
Upgrade option is there, but I say Upgrade is fairly usless to 60% of the
users, reinstallation will give a different feel than Upgrade)

Now I feel should give a try to Arch and Gentoo.

Ubuntu is becoming more of Suse I think, more commercialization than
Democracy...



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[ubuntu-in] LXC containers

Dear friends,
  I am trilled by the recent addition of LXC containers in the Linux
Mainline Kernel. If you haven't heard of LXC Containers, it is similar to
FreeBSD Jails.
Since I am very immature in this technology, I would appriciate if you guys
can help me configure LXC

My need
  *To isolate a process using LXC Containers for Example Firefox.*
Since web browser is the main security hole in any Operating system, I would
like to isolate the process and run it in a sandbox..
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Re: [ubuntu-in] LXC containers

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:29 PM, C S Shyam Sundar
csshyamsun...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi -


Hi Shyam, please avoid top posting



 At work, I'm using LXC containers.

 From what I understand, similar to Solaris zones and FreeBSD jails, each
 container is a process.

 Each container, like a VM, will run a full blown OS and has its own FS
 layout, NIC interfaces, etc.

 One can setup X, VNC, SSH and use it like a VM or run and isolate
 particular process.


Can I run processes like Firefox?



 There is this interesting technical article in IBM developer 
 workshttp://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lxc-containers/,
 which outlines how to setup an LXC container and isolate stuff.


Sure I will try and post with problems, Of course I will have to face some
of them :)




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 2010/4/26 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com

 Dear friends,
   I am trilled by the recent addition of LXC containers in the Linux
 Mainline Kernel. If you haven't heard of LXC Containers, it is similar to
 FreeBSD Jails.
 Since I am very immature in this technology, I would appriciate if you
 guys can help me configure LXC

 My need
   *To isolate a process using LXC Containers for Example Firefox.*
 Since web browser is the main security hole in any Operating system, I
 would like to isolate the process and run it in a sandbox..
 Hope my requirement is very feasible...


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu and Archlinux Dual boot

I again exceded the post size limit, sometimes it goes unnoticed...

Sorry for not trimming again :)



 It is good to hear that you have had experiences with both the operating
 systems,
 A question to ask...

 Can you enlighten me regarding package management about both Arch and
 Gentoo?


 
  Ubuntu is becoming more of Suse I think, more commercialization than
  Democracy...

 Ubuntu was never a democracy [1]. There was a great outcry about this.
 Personally I don't really care, if Ubuntu doesn't work for me I can
 always switch to something that does (or if I have the requisite
 skills, build one of my own). But why does the commercialization
 bother you? They still give us the source code and I think it's a
 wonderful way to provide services built around an awesome OS.


 Commercialization is no bother for me, of course every one work for money,
 but a small scare for future with many *what if? *questions...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

 Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific comment.

 I would like to ask a question to original sender.

 Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in answering the
 question
 Was it a common problem Week  password or Recovery mechanism???

 2010/4/25 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com

 On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar 
 chai.tany...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Ram,

 I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems
 it is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad.
 And a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April
 that account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as
 well since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
 I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if
 this has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from
 some others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.

 As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
 despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
 but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
 know they are innocent...

 Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary
 by the country.


  https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in

 @Mallikarjun,

 Why do I think account was hacked? Now I understand forum rules, not
 specific to email forums like this but web forums. And I am not one of those
 who would spam serious discussion communities. And being a system
 administrator since more than 3 years and after spending time working in one
 of the biggest IT MNC in the world, I understand password complexities and
 policies. I implement those in the networks I handle. So I guess I know it
 was cracked. And it was not only me who suffered the attack. There were some
 more people. Hence.


I never meant to offend you in anyway or under-estimate your capabilities.
I just asked out of Educational curiosity, just chill.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu and Archlinux Dual boot

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.com wrote:

 2010/4/26 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
  I again exceded the post size limit, sometimes it goes unnoticed...
 
  Sorry for not trimming again :)

 You should try using plain text email, cuts down on size.

Good suggestion, infact very secure way of mailing. :P

 
 
 
  It is good to hear that you have had experiences with both the operating
  systems,
  A question to ask...
 
  Can you enlighten me regarding package management about both Arch and
  Gentoo?

 Arch uses pacman, it downloads binary packages and installs them. You
 also have a tool called yaourt which can install from user configured
 repos (sort of like an ubuntu ppa but less secure). It can be made to
 run faster using powerpill which uses a download manager to download
 in parts from many mirrors. You should go through the wiki, it is very
 informative.

On the back foot


 Gentoo uses emerge which is a very powerful frontend to portage which
 is based on FreeBSD's ports system. It usually downloads source and
 compiles them during the install, using user specified optimizations
 in /etc/make.conf (this is the main flexibility offered). In make.conf
 you can specify stuff like architecture and processor specific options
 so that it's built precisely for your system.
 There are also mirrors that allow for binary downloads of large
 applications (like KDE, openoffice etc). They offer a GUI installer
 these days but I haven't tried it out. The command line way of doing
 it is fun, takes a weekend and there's lots to learn.

Sure I like it...
Also I would like to try FreeBSD
But it might take me some time.


 Quite popular joke:

 @insomnia it only takes three commands to install Gentoo
 @insomnia cfdisk /dev/hda  mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1  mount /dev/hda1
 /mnt/gentoo/  chroot /mnt/gentoo/  env-update  . /etc/profile 
 emerge sync  cd /usr/portage  scripts/bootsrap.sh  emerge system
  emerge vim  vi /etc/fstab  emerge gentoo-dev-sources  cd
 /usr/src/linux  make menuconfig  make install modules_install 
 emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice  emerge grub  cp
 /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample /boot/grub/grub.conf  vi
 /boot/grub/grub.conf  grub  init 6
 @insomnia that's the first one


ROFL


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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:05:35AM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Nitesh Mistry
mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:50:14PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry
mail...@mistrynitesh.net
wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530,
Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
wrote:
Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
domain
just
for E-mail purpose...

Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing.
I
believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
I would really like to explore this alternative.

You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer
or
buy
a shared space)

Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you
stop
paying
for the domain...

But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an
email
account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
use google apps to host my email with personal domain?

That solution was for What If Google shut down all its services
overnight

So there is a trade off between either integrating all the services
(risky but convenient) vs. using email as a stand-alone service
(relatively safe but inconvenient and costly)

There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account
which I
can think of...

Did you mean -- There is [no] reliable method to stop crackers to crack
into your account which I can think of... -- ?

Yeah I meant there is no reliable method.
I am really sorry...

Good catch man

May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.

I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).

By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
google it up.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

 On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar 
chai.tany...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Ram,

 I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems it
 is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad. And
 a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April that
 account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as well
 since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
 I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if this
 has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from some
 others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.

 As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
know they are innocent...

Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary by
the country.




 Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:

 Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
 domain
   just
for E-mail purpose...
  
   Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
   believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
   I would really like to explore this alternative.
  
 
  You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer
 or buy
  a shared space)
 
  Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
  ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop
 paying
  for the domain...

 But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
 account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
 but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I

 use google apps to host my email with personal domain?


 That solution was for What If Google shut down all its services
 overnight

 There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account which
 I can think of...


 May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
 locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.

 I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
 email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).

 By the way, I would love to know more about hosting email on my own
 computer -- if that does not involve alpha-geek stuff and needs my
 computer to be switched on and connected 24x7. I'll definitely also
 google it up.


 Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu and Archlinux Dual boot

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:30 PM, NARENDRA DIWATE
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 Hi

 I have been using Linux for the past 5 years, Opensuse initially, then
 ubuntu, both dual boot with WinXP. I moved permanently to Ubuntu about 1.5
 years ago. I like to keep my System upto date and hence that has involved
 upgrading the OS every 6 months.

 I would like to put an end to this 6 monthly upgrade madness by moving to a
 rolling release, i.e Arch initially dual booting with Ubuntu.

 Now pl help with these few Q's:
 1. Is this a good Idea at all for a guy not very comfortable with command
 line (but can live with it if needed) inspite of a 5 year linux Exp?


If you are comfortable with Ubuntu then, any GNU/Linux distro should be
fine. There a no gimics done by Ubuntu excepts a polish and regular
upgrades...
Infact, Upgrades have lot of cons than pros mainly waste of time. (Purely my
opinion)


 2. Though Arch is considered the best Rolling release, is it the best
 choice for a guy like me? Are there any beginner friendly oned out there?
 Chakra is still Alpha so not so comfortable. Frankly the Arch Documentation
 and Wiki are the most comprehensive and well thought out i have seen in the
 recent past.


I dont have any experience in Arch, I would appreciate to know your
experience with Arch till now.


 3. If I can go ahead which should be installed first? Remember dual booting
 with WinXP, XP is always installed first. Ubuntu comes with GRUB2, Arch with
 GRUB Old. Naturally the Rolling release will stay, while the other OS might
 change.


Install XP first -- No grub
Install Arch next -- since it has a rolling release so no change to grub
Install Ubuntu next -- Actually Ubuntu detects more OS's on HDD than any
other which I have tried. So I suggest Ubuntu to be last in the list...


 4. All my Data with live in separate partitions not along with any OS. So
 Which FS type is better - EXT3 or EXT4. No WinXP, so no need of NTFS. In
 addition it is backed up to a USB Hard Disk.


Depends on your use, AFAIK EXT4 has better performance with large files and
many more pros than EXT3, but EXT3 is well tested since it lives longer.
If you are a normal used, go ahead with EXT4.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

Sorry for top post, since this query not related to any specific comment.

I would like to ask a question to original sender.

Why do you think your account was hacked? No compulsion in answering the
question
Was it a common problem Week  password or Recovery mechanism???

2010/4/25 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com

 On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, chaitanya ambaselkar 
 chai.tany...@gmail.com wrote:

 @Ram,

 I know IP can be spoofed and the cracker may have done that but it seems
 it is a dynamically assigned IP which is owned by Telekom Malaysia Berhad.
 And a mobile device was used. And it was around 4:30 pm IST on 23rd April
 that account was cracked and within minutes I had changed the password as
 well since then I have not seen any spams being sent again.
 I wanted to contact the ISP on their abuse address but have no idea if
 this has any legality with it. Have avoided but will take some advises from
 some others who have knowledge about cyber laws as well.

 As Manish Sinha said, ISP will keep track of the IP address allocations
 despite being dynamic IP. I don't think there is any harm in contacting ISP,
 but try to keep your calm through out your conversation with them, as we all
 know they are innocent...

 Sure some cyber law expert can help in this regard, but Cyber laws vary by
 the country.





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Re: [ubuntu-in] Dell Laptops

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Kaushal Shriyan
kaushalshri...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 what are the supported laptops of Dell running ubuntu ?


Please go to dell website and find out. I think it is very straight forward.
If you can buy abroad there is a specific site http://www.dell.com/ubuntu

Also, most of the dell drivers are supported by Linux kernel, Even I have a
dell laptop. So I can say dell hardware support is quiet good


 Please suggest.

 Thanks and Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 2010/4/24 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
  On second thoughts had some more questions
  1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)
 
 
  I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
  information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails,
 browsing
  habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
  than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
  spammers.

 true, i agree fully

 however its not like if a phone number appears in an email google can
 just take it, in this case we are legally giving it to them.


Yea, but I still I dont think it is of much use for them...





  2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
  recovery information,
 
  Mostly one can crack into your E-mail system via recovery options, unless
  you have obvious passwords like password123.
  Once they crack into, you can do very little if cracker changes
 password...
  but they wont do that. They want to spy what you do.
 
  My answer is It depends on the cracker.

 so no really safe options, if i look at what all is in my gmall
 already its quite easy for a cracker to just unplug me and become me,
 absolutely scary, in fact i think i am going to start deleting mails
 and reducing the size of my gmail account. Keep stuff offline


This topic is going of-topic I guesss...

Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain just
for E-mail purpose...
I have a small do's to avoid scare form crackers, but if Google goes down
over night :P, we are virtually dead literally.

1) Keep passwords irrelevant to our personal Information
2) Be cautious about what you share on Social networking sites
3) Don't use *remember password*  option for banking and important websites
like E-mails systems
4) Install Noscript addon on Firefox
5) Use latest browsers and update regularly
6) *Use your brains and Common sense...*



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Re: [ubuntu-in] leina yar

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:44 PM, chaitanya ambaselkar 
chai.tany...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well the password cracker used the IP *124.13.180.168* which is stated to
 be in *Malaysia*.
 I changed the password within minuted after it was cracked but the harm was
 already done. But the cracker did not change the password neither sent any
 requests for new password.


Most crackers don't change password because they want to hide behind the
scene and spy the account.
Also no professional cracker will reveal his true IP address, the hide it.
So I think it a snooped IP address...

Also avoid top posting.



 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Manish Sinha m...@manishsinha.net
 wrote:
 
  You can use Google accounts SMS password recovery.
  This is something nice since I find mobile to be more secure than
  password. Someone can install a key logger and steal your password and
  even the secondary email address.
  For account recovery via sms, the cracker has to get hold of your mobile
  physically which makes this SMS recovery more reliable.
 
 http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=152124

 One learns something new every day

 Thanks Manish, this is really useful to know. Makes life a bit less
 scary , esp if one is on vulnerable systems

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Sanjay Bhangar sanjaybhan...@gmail.comwrote:

 2010/4/24 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
  I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
  information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails,
 browsing
  habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
  than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
  spammers.
 
 Sorry, a bit OT, but I couldn't resist:
 Stumbled onto this recently: http://googlesharing.net/ -- a firefox
 addon that will proxy all your requests to Google to confuse them and
 give them less personally identifying data about all your browsing
 habits .. looks like a good tool if you're concerned about Big Brother
 google ..


This entire topic is OT  I think...

Anyway, I would suggest not to believe such proxy servers because, say

Without proxy -- Google will store all our browsing activites
With proxy -- Some one else (googlesharing.net) will have a chance to store
our browsing activites

Which is better??? I feel Google servers are more safe..


 sorry for the OT again :P
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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
  Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a domain
 just
  for E-mail purpose...

 Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
 believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
 I would really like to explore this alternative.


You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or buy
a shared space)

Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop paying
for the domain...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 09:50:14PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್) wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.net
wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:24:36PM +0530, Mallikarjun(ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್)
wrote:
Even I get scared quiet often, the only option left is to buy a
domain
just
for E-mail purpose...

Pardon my ignorance, but how is buying a domain safe for emailing. I
believe, you will still need someone to host the email!
I would really like to explore this alternative.

You can buy a domain name say www.example.com (host on your computer or
buy
a shared space)

Since it is your domain so you can setup an email account, example *
ar...@example.com* and it will be yours for your life unless you stop
paying
for the domain...

But this does not answer my query. I can buy a domain and setup an email
account (which is what I am using right now, while writing this mail)
but if someone can hack (crack, that is ;-) )tail account? What if I
use google apps to host my email with personal domain?

That solution was for What If Google shut down all its services overnight

There is reliable method to stop crackers to crack into your account which I
can think of...

May be the only extra safety is that (as you pointed out) I will not be
locked out like some gmail users were i.e. denial of service.

I guess there is more to it than just buying a domain and setting up an
email with that (though I want to be wrong about this).

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu Download options

2010-04-23 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, BR!j!TH briji...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I have downloaded beta version, is there any advantage in using jogdo to
 download the final version that going to be released soon


Whatever the method of download you choose, you can upgrade to the stable
version quiet easier...



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 On 23 April 2010 09:26, Saaz Rai saaz@gmail.com wrote:

 You only require to download the iso files. Better use torrent.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT: gmail sms recovery (was leina yar)

2010-04-23 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Manish Sinha m...@manishsinha.net
 wrote:
 
  You can use Google accounts SMS password recovery.
  This is something nice since I find mobile to be more secure than
  password. Someone can install a key logger and steal your password and
  even the secondary email address.
  For account recovery via sms, the cracker has to get hold of your mobile
  physically which makes this SMS recovery more reliable.
 
 http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=152124
 
  One learns something new every day
 
  Thanks Manish, this is really useful to know. Makes life a bit less
  scary , esp if one is on vulnerable systems

 On second thoughts had some more questions
 1. What will google do with the mobile phone numbers (general question)


I don't think this question is valid. Bcoz, Google has way more valuable
information than your mobile number, like all your chats, e-mails, browsing
habits, and much more. I think you should be concerned about them rather
than mobile numbers. Maximum one can do with mobile number is sell to
spammers.



 more important question

 2. Won't the folks cracking an account also start by changing the
 recovery information,


Mostly one can crack into your E-mail system via recovery options, unless
you have obvious passwords like password123.
Once they crack into, you can do very little if cracker changes password...
but they wont do that. They want to spy what you do.

My answer is It depends on the cracker.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Thunderbird vs Evolution

2010-04-22 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Arjun Ghosh অর্জুন arjungh...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am unable to get Evolution or Thunderbird working behind http proxy!!
 Searched the net for help but there appears to be no success.



Starting a new thread helps in many ways. Many people look at the subject
and delete e-mails without reading if they are not interested with the
topics.

So I suggest start a new topic with the issue...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Thunderbird vs Evolution

2010-04-20 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Abhinav Modi abhinavm...@gmail.comwrote:

 2010/4/18 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
  Dear friends,
I have confusion over E-mail clients, of course Outlook is not in my
 list.
  It is always Thunderbird vs Evolution.
  I am looking forward to use it as an E-mail client with GPG support 
  Calender.
  I didn't like Evolution because it was buggy, and reviews say Thunderbird
 is
  better by a mile. Then why ain't GNU/Linux Distributions change default
  client to Thunderbird?
 

 This is a techno-political discussion :) Anyway TB is freely
 available, so this is more of a moot point.

  Anyway which one do you think is better? with reasons please.
 

 I have used TB as well as evolution for my work mails (The server is
 Exchange server for calendaring and mails, + IMAP/POP support). For
 everything, I find TB (IMAP) + Lightning + Davmail + Enigmail (TB
 Extension for GPG) as working better than Evolution. This combination
 still has some bugs, etc - but no other good alternative.

 Davmail basically acts as a Calendar gateway to talk to the exchange
 server using Caldav (OWA or Outlook Web Access). This allows a better
 calendar experience than just lightning, if you need Exchange
 Calendaring support.

 If you're looking at a purely local calendar, then davmail is not required.

 HTH. Let me know if you want more details.

 Regards
 Abhinav


Thanks for all the input.
After reading all the input, I have come to obvious conclusion that All the
E-mail clients are good and it is actually few features that captures
particular user. So I will try most of aforesaid E-mail clients. Lets see
which one clicks for me...

Thanks anyway...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Configure the IP

2010-04-20 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Mehdi akri...@gmail.com wrote:

 *Dear Friends*
 I use the Linux 9.10 in my office, and i'm just the person which use the
 linux in office other staff use the XP, and we useing the Local network (
 Lan) by connect to net. my Pc use the Auto IP ( For example: 192.168.1.2)
 but sometime my net does not work and i like to Configure my IP to other
 Number.

 I hope others solved your problem. But let me what your problem *might*be.

First of all you r using static IP, manually putting your IP address. The
reason it works sometimes and doesn't sometimes is that there might be a IP
address conflict with other systems i,e.. 2 PC's using same Local IP
address. DHCP can solve the problem or better organized IP allotment can
also solve the problem


 Already i change the IP and DNS, for few days it working but not always. it
 just working with the Auto.


I don't think you have to change DNS each time...


 Can i use the Terminal to do it? or if i want use the network connection (
 default of Linux which it is in the Top-Toolbar) what is the right
 process..!??


Please give me the right process for both way//

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need to download this for offline use, any idea how

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://www.dameffects.org/

 need this interactive video / or whatever for off line use, any idea how to
 get
 it


I think it is copywrited protected content.
http://dameffects.org/dams10cs.swf is the file...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need to download this for offline use, any idea how

2010/4/18 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 http://www.dameffects.org/

 need this interactive video / or whatever for off line use, any idea how
 to get
 it


 I think it is copywrited protected content.
 http://dameffects.org/dams10cs.swf is the file...


Sorry I forgot to tell you the procedure (Avoid if you already know).
Download the swf file using some download managers and open it in
web-browser (my Movie-player does not have right codec to run .swf).




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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need to download this for offline use, any idea how

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 4/18/10, Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM, K Ramnarayan
  ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  http://www.dameffects.org/
 
  need this interactive video / or whatever for off line use, any idea
 how
  to get
  it
 
 
  I think it is copywrited protected content.
  http://dameffects.org/dams10cs.swf is the file...
 
 
  Sorry I forgot to tell you the procedure (Avoid if you already know).
  Download the swf file using some download managers and open it in
  web-browser (my Movie-player does not have right codec to run .swf).

 The thing is i did not know, and still don't, righclicking on the file
 does nothing except open some dialog

 would appreciate the tips

I didn't understand where you are struggling, so shall tell you procedure in
steps in detail

1) Install some Download Manager example *Gwget Download Manager*

2) download the above swf file using *Gwget* (Click on new and paste the
link into)

3) Open swf file in Firefox.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Need to download this for offline use, any idea how

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 4/18/10, Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com wrote:
  The thing is i did not know, and still don't, righclicking on the file
  does nothing except open some dialog
 
  would appreciate the tips
 
  I didn't understand where you are struggling, so shall tell you procedure
 in
  steps in detail
 
  1) Install some Download Manager example *Gwget Download Manager*
 
  2) download the above swf file using *Gwget* (Click on new and paste the
  link into)
 
  3) Open swf file in Firefox.

 Yep thanks

 some jiggling around and it works, i also have a firefox add on called
 download helper which when there is an active video helps to download
 it


Fine, but I sent another post which was held for moderation. Anyway avoid
it..



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[ubuntu-in] Thunderbird vs Evolution

Dear friends,
  I have confusion over E-mail clients, of course Outlook is not in my list.
It is always Thunderbird vs Evolution.
I am looking forward to use it as an E-mail client with GPG support 
Calender.
I didn't like Evolution because it was buggy, and reviews say Thunderbird is
better by a mile. Then why ain't GNU/Linux Distributions change default
client to Thunderbird?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unable to configure Virtual BOX in Ubuntu 9.10

2010-04-16 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Ravi Joshi ravi.josh...@yahoo.com wrote:

  hello Mallikarjun and Ritesh Sinha, thank you very much for your
 suggestion..i will do that today...will it take some hard disk partition
 on my machine i mean to say that if i install xp by virtual machine ,
 will it take some hard disk spaceactually i have only 160 GB hard disk..


When you create a logical drive in Virtualbox (VDI), unfortunately it takes
space from harddisk only.
The logical disks will be stored *$HOME/.VirtualBox/HardDisks *folder. You
can copy to some other place and even swap around different operating
systems.

If you have less space, then allocate around 6-7 GB (10GB should be great).
But problem with Windows XP is we cant have complete control over the growth
of the size. It keeps growing fast as we install applications.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Swiftfox versus Firefox

2010-04-16 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:06 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hi

 recent there were some articles on swiftfox, the distribution (os) specific


 implementation of firefox. Its supposedly a bt faster and also better to
 use

 because of it better integration with the installed OS.

 I have installed swiftfox from the apt-get repos for this purpose.

 Am using it and can say that it seems n diiferent in features from firefox
 but

 haven't seen an noticeable difference in performance,

 So question is how does one compare browser performance, is there any one
 else

 using swiftfox and what do you have to say about it.

  Then there is this problem with licensing, and more *importantly* is some
 what closed source nature and hence resultant security concerns. This
 concerns me - esp if there is no significant advantage in swfitfox then it
 may be better to stick to

  see this article - Swiftfox - the perverting of an open source browser
 http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/61334

 links

 http://getswiftfox.com/

 ram


At any cost I will avoid Swiftfox, just because it is closed source. As you
said, it is more of the security concern than ethics for me.
We wont even know what is happening behind the scenes.

Also, I would like to add one more point.
Take any browser and start browsing (Don't do any benchmarking) and you will
notice there there will be no difference in browsing speeds, the main reason
is we cannot notice the speed difference, it is so negligible (milli / micro
seconds). Also the benchmarks are based on Javascript rendering speed, to
the best of my knowledge, most of the websites have more of HTML/CSS than
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Antony calls for action plan to counter cyber threats

2010-04-16 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is unplugging computers from the net a reasonable measure against
 cyber spying.  The minister says that gaping holes exist in the cyber
 secuity systems. This leads to the obvious question that if security
 agencies find it hard to keep their data / information safe then how
 safe is the data concerning the common person, that by the very nature
 of its use has to be kept online (reference the grandiose UID pipe
 dream)

 ram


I would strongly say, we lost the Cyber-war  and we will continue to loose
despite the fact that many countries investing millions of $. Sole reason
being, Black hats can find just one hole to exploit, but White hats need to
guard whole set of thousands of holes present in many applications,
Operating system services, Kernel, so on and so forth. Adobe and M$
applications are most vulnerable

The only chance we have is to revamp the entire web, start from ground
zero. :P

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Re: [ubuntu-in] in.ubuntu repository changed?

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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Has anyone else using ubuntu-lucid been facing this issue when trying
 to install new packages/upgrade?
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1454846


It is even happening in Karmic.
I was wondering about this issue from yesterday, but dint know that
in.ubuntu repo has changed.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] in.ubuntu repository changed?

2010-04-15 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

Actually I dint get the exact problem. Can anyone of you enlighten me?


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote:

 Apologies for the multiple replies.

 After the folks at ubuntu-mirrors fix this, the original
 /etc/apt/sources.list should work

 confusion-regretted :)


 Regards,
 Anish Mangal



 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I was just talking to folks at #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-mirrors...
 
  Apparently someone made a mistake this will be fixed soon.
 
  Here's the transcript.
 
  jpds m_anish: in.archive.ubuntu.com has been repointed at London for
 now.
  jpds [while they fix the mirror... again].
 
  Regards,
  Anish Mangal
 
 
 
  2010/4/15 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
 
  On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Anish Mangal 
 anishmangal2...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Has anyone else using ubuntu-lucid been facing this issue when trying
  to install new packages/upgrade?
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1454846
 
  It is even happening in Karmic.
  I was wondering about this issue from yesterday, but dint know that
  in.ubuntu repo has changed.
  Thanks for the info.
 
 
  Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 32 bit or 64 bit?

2010-04-15 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:51 PM, janardhanan srinivas 
janardhanan.sriniv...@gmail.com wrote:



 2010/4/7 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Shrikant Khanduri 
 shrikant.khand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Your RAM Comsumption will be more wrt 32 bit OS.


 Can you kindly elaborate on the above point, as I am skeptic about how
 32bit consumes more RAM?


 Although Future is 64 Bit OS. Go for it.



 On 7 April 2010 19:09, Abhinav Modi abhinavm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Mohamed Khaleel gotokhal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Hello Everyone,
 
  I have a Core 2 Duo PC and I have to install Ubuntu on it. I would
 like to
  know if I have to go with 32 bit or 64 bit. Sure I know that 32 OS bit
 will
  work on 64 bit processor. But I want to really use the 64 bit if its
  supported by processor.
 
  Are there any known issues in the 64 bit version of Ubuntu with Core 2
 Duo
  (if supported)?
  How is the availability of softwares(open source, some graphics card
 drivers
  etc)?
  Will all 32 bit packages work on 64 bit Ubuntu OS?
 

 Have been using Ubuntu 64 bit with an AMD Quad Core (9.10, upgraded to
 10.04 beta recently). Haven't had any issues with 9.10 at all. With
 10.04 there is some problem with flash, which will hopefully be
 resolved before final release.

 I would say go for 64 bit.

 Hope this helps
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 no u got it wrong 64 bit can access more ram which is good if you have 3-4
 gb of ram

 Not exactly I think, Though 64 bit can support more amount of RAM, It does
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unable to configure Virtual BOX in Ubuntu 9.10

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ritesh Sinha sinha.k.rit...@gmail.comwrote:

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Ravi Joshi ravi.josh...@yahoo.comwrote:

I have installed Virtual box(version 3.0.8_OSE r53138 Sun
Microsystem)in Ubuntu 9.10.I have windows XP instaled on the same machine. I
want to run Windows XP on Ubuntu 9.10.

after installing it, i goto new virtual machine wizard.then click on
next.then i type the name for new virtual machine as XP on Ubuntu.It
automatically detect the windows XP installed on the same machine.

^^^ I don't think Virtualbox does that (detect the XP installed on the
physical machine). You have the option of creating a new instance of a
virtual machine or using an existing VDI file.

Even I dont think it is possible as there is no direct connection of the
guest with the hardware(Harddisk)

Now i click on next.I have 2 GB RAM on my machine.For base memory i gave
512MB size.Then i click to next.then i came to hard disk.i clicke don
existing hard disk which was something like ubuntu.vdi(i forgot the exact
name).After that i click on next.Now summery comes and i clicked on finish.

it was showing in virtual box OSE that XP on Ubuntu is powered
off.so i click on start.A new black window open(its probably boot
window).it was showing some information like You have the Auto capture
keyboard option turned on. i clicked on ok without doing anything.Now it
shows that press F12 to select boot device.At this time also i have done
anything.after that this message is shown to me
FATAL: NO bootable medium found! System halted.

This is because you did not install any operating system on the virtual
disk.

What you can do is...

1) If you have iso image of bootable XP cd then it is fine or Insert XP CD
2) Right click on XP on Ubuntu powered off select settings, click
CD/DVD-Rom and click on the options you would like to.
3) now boot up and install the XP as you would do normally but it happens
very fast (I donno the reason)

Once installation is done, unmount the CD/DVD mounted and you can start XP
on Ubutnu

I know this explaination is very less for amature level, if you have any
question please post back.

so i want to know that how can i overcome with this problem.Actually
i don't know how to configure the virtual box?

You can either migrate your existing XP installation to a VDI file
(virtualbox image) but as far as I know it is a convoluted process involving
intermediate tools like qemu. You can install XP on a new virtual machine.
Instructions to do so can be had here [1]. It is for an older version of
Ubuntu but the gist of it remains the same.

[1]
http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/15/installing-a-windows-xp-as-a-virtual-machine-on-virtualbox/

Totally unrelated but it would be really nice if you posted plain text
emails to the list. Would really appreciate it :)

Regards,

Ritesh

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Re: [ubuntu-in] awaiting for moderator approval

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Aanjhan R aanj...@gmail.com wrote:

  mail awaits moderator approval if it is too long, having
 attachment or keywords like LinkedIn etc :-) Otherwise it generally
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 Your reason: Message was too big.

 Oh, ok. I will try to take of that next time

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Unable to configure Virtual BOX in Ubuntu 9.10

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Ravi Joshi ravi.josh...@yahoo.com wrote:

  hello Mallikarjun and Ritesh ,
can you please just tell me in brief
 how to create that VDI file. Actually i am a new user of virtual box and i
 don't know about its configuration.


According to your explaination, you have created VDI file but you did not
install any operating system.
May be this link can help you installing XP

http://seogadget.co.uk/how-to-install-virtualbox/

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu after 8.10

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Shrikant Khanduri 
shrikant.khand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Installed Ubuntu 9.10 - 64 Bit. Not able to download the package.
 Its a server issue or OS issue.

 You did not explain what the error is, so it is impossible to know what the
issue is

*Here is a direct download link*
http://ubuntu.patan.com.ar/releases/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso
or
http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/ubuntu-releases/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso

*Here is the bit-torrent link*
http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent


If you want to Upgrade from you current OS
Press *Alt + F2*
enter *update-manager*
You  will see an upgrade option at the top of the window. Click on that.
And follow the instructions


Hope I was helpful





 2010/4/7 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com

 Dear Friend,


 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM, sivakumar bharadhwaj 
 jeyendras...@gmail.com wrote:

 sir,

 in one of the reply, i read - 64 bit OS can be installed - for a dual
 core - 2 GB RAM.

 can you reply on these :
 - is it OK to load 9.10 with core 2 duo, 2 GB RAM.


 Absolutely no problem, infact it should work great


 - also, is there a seperate version for 64 bit in 9.10


 Yes
 Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download to download 64 bit
 version

 Shipit does not send free 64bit CD's :(


 - is the installation is just like the 32 bit version.


 I bet they are absolutely the same...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] How to verify actual space on a disk (maybe OT)

2010-04-12 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi

 Recently a friend of mine brought a USB pen Drive (Flash Disk) of 500
 GB for Rs 1500-/ from Palika Bazaar.


If this is true, surely I would like to know the device specifications, and
would like to own one for myself.


 First I don't believe it. However i tried it on my system and checked
 using df -h and it showed 500 GB (free space 498 GB)



 Second its formatted to FAT 16.

 So my questions
 1. Incredible as it may be i refuse to belive that this small device
 is actually 500 Gig  so how does one verify that. I could copy data
 and i think it will give up after about 10 GIg or less, but is there
 any other way


1)Test it in various partition editors/  Volume managers

2)Copy a image/movie of bigger size say 4-5 GB, and then duplicate same
image multiple times so that it does not take any time but fill up the
remaining space (This is the best idea I can think of...)


 2. What is the max size a FAT 16 partition (and FAT 32) be - i think
 FAT partitions have a limit


According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table
FAT-12  32MB
FAT-16  2GB(or 4GB  with 64 bit cluster size)
FAT-32 2TB  (or 8TB or 16TB)

:)


 would appreciate tips.

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 PS if i am wrong i might have to eat an hat so look forward to some
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu after 8.10

2010-04-07 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

Dear Friend,


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:39 PM, sivakumar bharadhwaj jeyendras...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 sir,

 in one of the reply, i read - 64 bit OS can be installed - for a dual core
 - 2 GB RAM.

 can you reply on these :
 - is it OK to load 9.10 with core 2 duo, 2 GB RAM.


Absolutely no problem, infact it should work great


 - also, is there a seperate version for 64 bit in 9.10


Yes
Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download to download 64 bit
version

Shipit does not send free 64bit CD's :(


 - is the installation is just like the 32 bit version.


I bet they are absolutely the same...



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 32 bit or 64 bit?

2010-04-07 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Shrikant Khanduri 
shrikant.khand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Your RAM Comsumption will be more wrt 32 bit OS.


Can you kindly elaborate on the above point, as I am skeptic about how 32bit
consumes more RAM?


 Although Future is 64 Bit OS. Go for it.



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 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Mohamed Khaleel gotokhal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Hello Everyone,
 
  I have a Core 2 Duo PC and I have to install Ubuntu on it. I would like
 to
  know if I have to go with 32 bit or 64 bit. Sure I know that 32 OS bit
 will
  work on 64 bit processor. But I want to really use the 64 bit if its
  supported by processor.
 
  Are there any known issues in the 64 bit version of Ubuntu with Core 2
 Duo
  (if supported)?
  How is the availability of softwares(open source, some graphics card
 drivers
  etc)?
  Will all 32 bit packages work on 64 bit Ubuntu OS?
 

 Have been using Ubuntu 64 bit with an AMD Quad Core (9.10, upgraded to
 10.04 beta recently). Haven't had any issues with 9.10 at all. With
 10.04 there is some problem with flash, which will hopefully be
 resolved before final release.

 I would say go for 64 bit.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] What is Ubuntu up to

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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi

 Am not sure how many of you tracked the BT Brinjal incident  cartoon
 (link provided below) is very revealing

 http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_69

 Nice one


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu after 8.10

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Shrikant Khanduri 
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 Hi all,

 I am using Ubuntu 8.10 from a long time. So please suggest the later
 versions having something special or I can continue with 8.10.
 Although I am planning for 64-bit Version.
 (I have Desktop with Intel dual core processor with 2GB RAM)
 After that I want to configure it for openJDK.
  Share your Experience.


Sure I would recommend you to upgrade to a LTS (Long Term Support) Operating
system which has 3 years of updates (Software updates are most important
part of Operating system due to security reasons). But remember, don't
install any amature ununtu distro version, so wait for at least a month
after 10.04 is released so that most common bugs are debugged...

64 bit is great, better performance than 32 bit and most importantly your
computer will not reset in 2038 AD. lol...
The hardware specifications looks good for 64 bit.

OpenJDK : No coments



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Re: [ubuntu-in] adobe flash for ubuntu 9

Please provide more information about how you tried to install Adobe Flash,
and what error it gave?

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 7:40 AM, michael vincent louis michlvlo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 viewing bbc page it required flash to be downloaded from adobe. while all
 the other versions are easily down loaded the version for ubuntu 9 is not
 downloading at all. what to do

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 32 bit or 64 bit?

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Mohamed Khaleel gotokhal...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 I have a Core 2 Duo PC and I have to install Ubuntu on it. I would like to
 know if I have to go with 32 bit or 64 bit. Sure I know that 32 OS bit will
 work on 64 bit processor. But I want to really use the 64 bit if its
 supported by processor.


Good


 Are there any known issues in the 64 bit version of Ubuntu with Core 2 Duo
 (if supported)?
 How is the availability of softwares(open source, some graphics card
 drivers etc)?
 Will all 32 bit packages work on 64 bit Ubuntu OS?

 Your inputs will be very helpful.


I have been using 64 bit from years, as such no problems I have faced except
few software/apps being not available such as Google Gears, 2 more which I
cant remember but none were very important for me.
Performance wise, I have seen a noticeable change.

I suggest you could continue with the switch... Gud luck


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Re: [ubuntu-in] adobe flash for ubuntu 9

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Mohamed Khaleel gotokhal...@gmail.comwrote:

 Go to the below link.

 http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

 Select linux and download the Flash Player 10 for Linux (.deb). Double
 click on the downloaded file to install. Make sure to close the browsers
 while installing (Not sure though).
  Hope I clarified you.


What happens after you double click? does it say some error?

Anyway, you can install Adobe Flash from repos,
If you are unaware Open Synaptic Package Manager
System -- Admin -- Synaptic Package Manager -- Search for *Adobe Flash *--
Check *flashplugin-installed -- Install

*I hope you were able to install it...



 Regards,
 Khaleel.


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 michlvlo...@gmail.com wrote:

 as i was viewing bbc page it required flash to be downloaded from adobe.
 while all the other versions are easily down loaded the version for ubuntu 9
 is not downloading at all. what to do
 Michael Vincent Louis

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Re: [ubuntu-in] grub issues in karmic

2010-03-30 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Parin Sharma parin.sha...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Hrishikesh Murali 
 hrishikeshmural...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,


 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Moz list...@gmail.com wrote:

 So there are two other additional lines apart from what you sent, which
 are the search and drivemap commands. And the computer does not boot to XP
 with this. I have no idea how to edit so that it could boot to XP.


 Delete the two lines and try! To edit, go to a terminal and type:

 $ sudo vim /boot/grub/grub.cfg


 The main menu file, */boot/grub/grub.cfg*, is not meant to be edited, even
 by 'root'.
 Please read more in documentation here http://bit.ly/aUYpOt


*(off topic but important)*

I have a kind request to all the users and admins.

As I can see a URL shortened link above so thought of letting you guys know
my opinion.
Url shortened links are dangerous many a times as spammers and phishers are
using them heavily these days.
Example: Some one posts a link and says buy viagara at 80%, you know thats
not what you want and spam filters can easily filter, but if he says
something concerned to the mailing list and post a url shortened link, you
will not know what link it redirects to. It can go to something undesirable
say pornograpic web page  (may be a bad example)

I request admins to take this issue seriously and have it on the guideline
page. (If I have convinced you)

Please preview before clicking
For example:
say your tiny url is http://tinyurl.com/yzxlds7
visit http://preview.tinyurl.com/yzxlds7 to preview which link you are going
to view before clicking

nice podcast
http://podcasts.networkworld.com/panorama/2009/090209pan-cloudmark-urlshort.mp3

An article
http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1356048

Thankyou for your time on offtopic content


 and if you want to add a new menu entry add it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
 (which is meant for user entries in grub2)


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Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what

2010-03-29 Thread ಮಲ್ಲಿಕಾರ್ಜುನ್

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 2010/3/24 Mallikarjun mallik.v.ar...@gmail.com:
  On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Imagine if Opensource folks had control over the device and the
  software - it would be wow. And i thing in the phone segment that is
  what is happening
 
  openmoko is an example, as there are others.
 
  (off topic)
  I dint like the example, the reason being, I had owned Openmoko,
  Operating system (2009 feb version I had used, I guess) not even
  usable, most important features like wifi, GPS dont work most of the
  times. OS Suspends and never resume. In around 2 months of esteemed
  ownership, atleast 60 times I have reinstalled OS. lol
  What value does it add by have total control over hardware?
 

 Found this on Google buzz posted by Mehul and think that this is an
 interesting development

 Nanonote looks like a nice device. Best thing is that hardware,
 software both are copylefted! - http://www.idasystems.net/nanonote

 Seems nice to me too.

Cost is 9000 with 2500 introductory offer till March 31. So you have to pay
6500. Hurry if you like it.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, K Ramnarayan ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 This isn't exactly a poll but thought that it would be good to know what
 people would choose if they had to move away from Ubuntu.

 Before saying anything i want to put this on record. Ubuntu is one of the best
 distro's i have ever used. , its ease in installation, responsiveness to
 multitude of hardware, the incredibly large and varied repositories, the very
 decent derivatives (Mint, Ultimate etc) . The huge forum and support.
 Basically i like it very much

 Over the recent months there has been a lot of chatter about minor and maybe
 not so minor aspects.

 First there was the dropping and inclusion of different programmes (e.g. GIMP)
 not big things but when many small things add up they become to big.

 Then there is this
 Ubuntu is not a democracy, Mark Shuttleworth

 Sounds crazy saying it like that but to read what he had to say check out

 Mark Shuttleworth: This is not a democracy
 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-is-not-democratic.html

 and some related discussions

 http://www.osnews.com/story/23039/Kicking_in_Open_Doors_Open_Source_Is_Not_a_Democracy

 and

 http://www.itworld.com/open-source/101641/open-source-not-
 democracy?source=smlynch

 **
 There are many reasons to use Linux and one of them, for me, is not to be told
 what to do by a corporation. Sure Canonical is not the new M$, i doubt it can
 ever become that. (hope not)

 But what makes me uncomfortable is the extent of control Canonical is exerting
 over its user base. Many Linux folks , now, are first time linuxers changed
 over from Other OS' mainly because of Ubuntu.

 So not debating the specifics of Mark Shuttleworth's comments and the 
 reactions
 and the interpretations, I am getting an uneasy feeling. That maybe just maybe
 we are becoming Ubuntu dependent and too complacent.

 I can walk blindfolded through a typical Ubuntu install and its subsequent
 setup of additional programmes, tweaking programmes to work like they should
 for me.  Knowing what repos to add to get exactly what software and where to
 source software (tuxwire, zyware).

 I cannot be happier with what i have. But what if we need to move to a freer
 system. Are there any other distro's out there. Sure there are 600 plus many
 of them with a passionate user base and with its attendant problem.

 My questions are how would people feel about trying out a distro other than
 Ubuntu (specially first time users), in fact have first time linux Ubuntu 
 users
 tried other distro's and what do they feel.

I guess it is quiet hard for any Ubuntu user to move to some other
distro, as Ubuntu is the most polished GNU/linux which I can think of.
But any other distro out there has same Desktop environment (GNOME),
only think we can ever miss is the polishness and not the underlying
system.
Best alter I can think of is Ubuntu's parent Debian.


 I started of with fedora 1 and went through a variety and can make another
 distro do to my bidding.

 My other question is how many of us dual boot a second linux OS and is your
 secondary OS as well set as your primary, are you comfortable with it, under
 all conditions.

I think. few years ago people were comfortable, but not anymore with
all the full OS virtualization tools like Virtualbox OSE. Everything
is easy in a virtual world, isn't it?


 My 3rd question is what would you suggest people try as a fall back option in
 case people want to try and alternative.

Pass


 My suggestions are Pardus, Mandriva, OpenSuse, Fedora, Knoppix
 Others have suggested Arch Linux

 The few times in the recent past when i tried another distro i very quickly
 reverted back to Ubuntu, since i was uncomfortable around my system but now i
 think its worth exploring an alternative in great earnest.


+1, I also tried many operating systems like Fedora, Debian, FreeBSD,
Solaris ... But only Ubuntu had the taste I wanted (or may
be addiction). I am trying out FreeBSD in my virtual environment, hope
to make the switch to some OS which is completely community driven.


 look forward to reactions

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT - laptops in the 20 K range

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Need to get two laptops, Linux Compatible, reliable and with the basic
 features in the 20 K to 25 K range.

You mean GNU/linux compatible or GNU/linux preinstalled?

Dell vostro laptops are good I guess, but I am not sure about
price(may be around 30)

I have great experience with dell laptop (XPS)


 Not looking for netbooks.

 Any suggestions , will be appreciated and as always look forward to
 personal experiences with devices.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] If not Ubuntu then what

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan
 ashutoshrish...@gmail.com wrote:
 Macintosh is really good. Open source is amazing. But amazing is not
 in the comparative degree. Apple has one of the most closed systems.
 But their system is amazing. It is managed will amazing efficiency.

 One reason why macs are so efficient is because they have complete
 control over hardware and software and they have no need to make the
 Mac OS work with anything that is not from their stable.


Also, Don't ever forget that Mac OS is based on rock solid BSD's,
being a major factor

 That way even Wincedows is a bit better , atleast they are not
 restricting anyone in choice of hardware, the fact that most hardware
 would be Wincedows compatible is another matter.

 Imagine if Opensource folks had control over the device and the
 software - it would be wow. And i thing in the phone segment that is
 what is happening

 openmoko is an example, as there are others.

(off topic)
I dint like the example, the reason being, I had owned Openmoko,
Operating system (2009 feb version I had used, I guess) not even
usable, most important features like wifi, GPS dont work most of the
times. OS Suspends and never resume. In around 2 months of esteemed
ownership, atleast 60 times I have reinstalled OS. lol
What value does it add by have total control over hardware?



 @ all
 One reason for the mail was to provoke debate ;-)

 i would like to repeat i really like Ubuntu  and what they have done
 to Linux, basically make it accessible. And in a way life is easier
 because i know how it works.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] OT - laptops in the 20 K range