Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Ben Crisford
I couldn't agree more.

As I said in an e-mail yesterday (which I fear no-one read :-/) it would be so 
awkward to decide who gets in and who doesn't.

In my opinion the reason why we're so disorganised is because we have too many 
contributors.  Don't get me wrong, thats a great thing, but what i'm saying is 
- why bother with some big, fancy, hard-to-organise team restructuring, when 
all we need is a little organisation.

Maybe still make new groups but make them sub-groups.  We could have the icon 
team, and the background team (forgive me if we already do this, I wasn't sure).

A bit more leadership might be a good idea too.  I'm not sure if we have 
leaders but the icon team certainly looks like it needs a definate leader.

A council would work great, but the teams I think are one of the least thought 
through ideas we've had for a while :-/.

Ben





From: John Baer bae...@gmail.com
To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 2:52:30
Subject: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 19:51 +0100, Cory K. wrote:

 Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at
 who we are and how we are put together.
 
 I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and
 noticed
 something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority
 to
 enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around
 loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the
 next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major
 shuffle every release.
 
 So I propose:
 
 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero.
 Closing
 it and making it a moderated team.
 
 The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the
 need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being
 on
 this team will mean your a trusted member and you have
 demonstrated
 some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the
 team.
 Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be
 actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design
 knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically).
 Acceptance
 on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council.
 
 This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the
 repos.
 

 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list
 (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only.
 
 This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art
 list would stay as-is the list would just rename to
 ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel.
 /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up
 for
 debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved
 members of the LP team.
 
 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of
 currently trusted members.
 
 Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just
 off
 the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you)
 
 * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart
 dude.
 * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good
   documentation skills.
 * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it)
 
 (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more)
 

There are two very powerful team principals to remember. The first is
exclusion. No one wants to feel they are left behind or what they have
to offer has no value. The second is inclusion, everyone is welcome and
everyone has something to offer.

1) The question becomes why would I want to be a member of the
ubuntu-art-discuss list if all the real work is occurring on
ubuntu-art-devel list? Does the 5 member art council want to get into
the business of deciding whose in. Just to illustrate my point, I have
no knowledge of Jonathan Austin.

2) Is the two list approach being used elsewhere? It is common to have
folks who desire to contribute affirm they have read and agree with the
approach and the manner in which the group interacts (code of conduct).

I appreciate your desire to improve the status quo but maybe we are not
as broke as it may seem.

What I have observed over time is when folks feel their effort might be
included as part of default the level of participation rises and the
quality of the work is good (inclusion). To illustrate this point, how
would the development of Breathe change if you were told it would be the
default icon theme for 9.10?

When folks feel no matter what they do, no matter how good, the changes
to Ubuntu will come from elsewhere participation falls (exclusion). My
guess is many folks feel that way now.

I believe the solution is community-themes. 

* My desire is to encourage folks to join, get evolve, and post
submissions. 

* My desire is we present opportunities to those who decide to

Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 46, Issue 57

2009-04-20 Thread bret sheppard
recently. Either way, it's definitely not representative of the actual
people doing work.

Making the team moderated would make it much more useful. As it is
now, it's just another badge on your profile page.


 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list
 (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only.

Agreed.

I imagine art-discuss being much like the current list. People sharing
things the are working on ect...

The moderated list could focus more on decision making processes
ect... It should also be set up (like ubuntu-devel) so that
non-members may still subscribe. I think there might be some
misconceptions that this would be a secret list of some sort.

 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of
 currently trusted members.

Agreed.

What this team needs more than anything else are some defined goals
and projects. Right now, it's mostly just people throwing things
against a wall to see what sticks. The steps you propose would go a
long way to help.

 - Andrew



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From: Matthew Lye matthew@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or,    a team
    restructuring.
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Its probably a good idea to have council created, if just to give direction
and create guidelines. The largest problem this team seems to have is a lack
of collective focus, everyone is attempting to develop something different
rather than looking at designs submitted and working together to develop the
aspects of each that are good into a cohesive theme. Currently insane
amounts of times are wasted on developing ideas that end up not being
included. I would avoid trying to give the task of managing the artwork
development to the council because it will likely be time consuming and many
of people I've seen suggested have limited time available.

In terms of making the team no longer open, again a good idea but have a
clear way to get accepted documented in the wiki, and note what sort of
contributions your after. Id also suggest to create focus groups for theme
development  (both code and art), backgrounds, and for the wiki maintenance
and make acceptance based on contributions to one or another group (likely
via a recommendation by a focus group lead).

Id also suggest you make a spot for people that contribute purely through
well thought out critique. Someone who can do that can be incredibly
valuable even if they cant create anything more that stick figures.

-Matthew Lye

You can do anything you set your mind to when you have vision,
determination, and and endless supply of expendable labor.
No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Andrew a.star...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote:
  1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing
  it and making it a moderated team.

 If nothing else, this really should be done. The LP team is basically
 useless in its current state.

 According to the members page we now have:

 152 active members
 784 inactive members

 I'm not entirely sure what LP uses to designate active members, I
 imagine that it is simply whether or not some one has logged into LP
 recently. Either way, it's definitely not representative of the actual
 people doing work.

 Making the team moderated would make it much more useful. As it is
 now, it's just another badge on your profile page.

 
  2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list
  (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only.

 Agreed.

 I imagine art-discuss being much like the current list. People sharing
 things the are working on ect...

 The moderated list could focus more on decision making processes
 ect... It should also be set up (like ubuntu-devel) so that
 non-members may still subscribe. I think there might be some
 misconceptions that this would be a secret list of some sort.

  3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of
  currently trusted members.

 Agreed.

 What this team needs more than anything else are some defined goals
 and projects. Right now, it's mostly just people throwing things
 against a wall to see what sticks. The steps you propose would go a
 long way to help.

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From: James

Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Sunday 19 April 2009 18:52:47 Cory K. wrote:
 Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at
 who we are and how we are put together.

 I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed
 something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to
 enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around
 loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the
 next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major
 shuffle every release.

 So I propose:

 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing
 it and making it a moderated team.

 The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the
 need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on
 this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated
 some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team.
 Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be
 actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design
 knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance
 on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council.

 This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the
 repos.

This is exactly how Fedora manages the artwork community, you have to submit 
something first for approval. This might seem harsh but I am guessing that the 
bar is pretty low. 

Artwork tends to be something that everyone has an opinion on and many people 
who have nothing to do with the design itself like to offer their opinions. 
Mainly, these +1/-1 emails are a waste of time because it is a limited amount 
of responses and those responding are mostly already fans of ubuntu so no 
statistical info can be derived from it.

However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. 
How do we fill this gap?

 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list
 (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only.

 This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art
 list would stay as-is the list would just rename to
 ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel.
 /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for
 debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved
 members of the LP team.

Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know 
exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

The original idea was to create a moderated list in which anyone who had 
submitted artwork of a certain quality, helped with the wiki to a certain 
degree, helped packaging and/or with other technical or bug fixing issues, etc. 
Essentially I saw it as a place for people to avoid the chatter and get more 
work done. This seems pretty close to what you are suggesting, or?

 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of
 currently trusted members.

 Pretty much self-explanatory. I would propose: (and this is just off
 the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you)

 * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude.
 * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good
   documentation skills.
 * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it)

 (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more)


 So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the
 team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to
 really be effective.

 Discuss.

I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing 
the right thing before we change *anything*.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Saleel
Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we 
 are doing the right thing before we change *anything*.


 --
 Kenneth
The only way this is possible, is if we adopt a working policy from 
someone else and then slowly organically mold it around our specific 
needs. Can we contact the redhat/fedora people and see how well their 
system is working? Do you know anyone on their artwork team? Judging 
from the quality of artwork they throw out, they seem to have their 
@$$3$ in gear.


I am if favor of Cory's plan, but I really have no idea what a council 
will do? Moderate the new list? If the new list is to have entry level 
requirements, why would it need moderators? The way I see it is:

When I submit something I am working on, I always ask for feedback. Now 
I generally get feedback from certain members, and this feedback is 
always good (whether I agree or not.) I value these members' opinions as 
I trust them. I always take in other peoples feedback, but I do not 
necessarily trust them to know what they are talking about. This is why 
I am in favor of this list. When I want feedback on specifics half done 
ideas in a project: new list. As the project comes closer to finishing: 
old list. new project idea: old list.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Hanso Theme

2009-04-20 Thread James Schriver
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 20:20 -0700, Smartboy wrote:

 It reminds me of dark chocolate, and now I am craving it. :(
 
 Good work, though! It is a very good job!
 
 One thing from your screenshot, are there two different menubar backgrounds?
 
 smartboy
 

Thank you very much for a response.  The compression in the .jpeg lost
some detail, but they are both the same.

http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12767/screenshot_s32kXx.png

Thanks again. :)



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Ben Crisford
Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know 
exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

I hope by moderated anyone can join, but is moderated?

Because the whole philosophy of ubuntu is freedom, and the community running it 
to as much of an extent as they can.

If not everyone can join then it in my opinion that is breaking the ubuntu 
promise...

I'm not in favour of this at all (as you can tell from my emails) but if it 
goes ahead I want it to be fair.  So I hope by:
Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know 
exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.
You mean that it will be run like the development list?

Regards,
Ben





From: Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com
To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 13:25:06
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

On Sunday 19 April 2009 18:52:47 Cory K. wrote:
 Apart from the title this email aims to take a no-holds-barred look at
 who we are and how we are put together.

 I have been looking at ways to give this team more structure and noticed
 something we lack in concrete leadership or anyone with any authority to
 enact change. Nobody with definitive word. We generally throw around
 loose ideas, someone edits the wiki and it looks official. 'Till, the
 next guy comes along. God. The wiki must have gon through some major
 shuffle every release.

 So I propose:

 1. Clearing out the current LP art team and starting from zero. Closing
 it and making it a moderated team.

 The Launchpad team means and does nothing. I really don't see the
 need for a open team. Karma? No. I want to give it meaning. Being on
 this team will mean your a trusted member and you have demonstrated
 some ability/aptitude worthy of meaningful contribution to the team.
 Which is how a good many of the Ubuntu teams work. Weather it be
 actual art, packaging, documentation or credited art/design
 knowledge (you know what you're talking about basically). Acceptance
 on to the team will be voted upon by the Art council.

 This would also be the bug contact for any packaged efforts in the
 repos.

This is exactly how Fedora manages the artwork community, you have to submit 
something first for approval. This might seem harsh but I am guessing that the 
bar is pretty low. 

Artwork tends to be something that everyone has an opinion on and many people 
who have nothing to do with the design itself like to offer their opinions. 
Mainly, these +1/-1 emails are a waste of time because it is a limited amount 
of responses and those responding are mostly already fans of ubuntu so no 
statistical info can be derived from it.

However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info, discuss, etc. 
How do we fill this gap?

 2. The current mailing list will be a discussion list and the new list
 (already waiting in the wings) be for LP team members only.

 This would mostly be a name change. Everyone on the ubuntu-art
 list would stay as-is the list would just rename to
 ubuntu-art-discuss. The new list would be ubuntu-art-devel.
 /Maybe/ the need to have community put in there somewhere. Up for
 debate. And the latter list like I said would be for approved
 members of the LP team.

Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we know 
exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

The original idea was to create a moderated list in which anyone who had 
submitted artwork of a certain quality, helped with the wiki to a certain 
degree, helped packaging and/or with other technical or bug fixing issues, etc. 
Essentially I saw it as a place for people to avoid the chatter and get more 
work done. This seems pretty close to what you are suggesting, or?

 3. Formation of a 5-person (or so) art council to be made up of
 currently trusted members.

 Pretty much self-explanatory.. I would propose: (and this is just off
 the top of my head. don't feel slighted if I don't list you)

 * Kenneth Wimer - Our Canonical contact and generally smart dude.
 * Thorsten Wilms - Great command of design theory and good
   documentation skills.
 * Jonathan Austin - Great artist. (if he's up to it)

 (just a quick list. I'm sure there's more)


 So this is what I feel is needed for us to really take control of the
 team and give it focus. Right now, we're just too loose a bunch to
 really be effective.

 Discuss.

I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we are doing 
the right thing before we change *anything*.

--
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Hanso Theme

2009-04-20 Thread Smartboy
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:28 AM, James Schriver jws...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 20:20 -0700, Smartboy wrote:

 It reminds me of dark chocolate, and now I am craving it. :(

 Good work, though! It is a very good job!

 One thing from your screenshot, are there two different menubar backgrounds?

 smartboy


 Thank you very much for a response.  The compression in the .jpeg lost
 some detail, but they are both the same.

 http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12767/screenshot_s32kXx.png

 Thanks again. :)



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Ah, ok. How does the theme look without compositing? Depending on
compositing is still bad right now, as not everyone can use it or want
to use it.

Smartboy

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[ubuntu-art] newest member - Christina Kokott

2009-04-20 Thread Kenneth Wimer
Hi all,

Let's give a hearty ubuntu-artwork-team welcome to one of the newest members 
of the team, Christina Kokott. Christina is on the design team overseeing the 
redesign of all portals and should be first point of contact for web queries.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Hanso Theme

2009-04-20 Thread James Schriver
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 06:38 -0700, Smartboy wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:28 AM, James Schriver jws...@verizon.net wrote:
  On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 20:20 -0700, Smartboy wrote:
 
  It reminds me of dark chocolate, and now I am craving it. :(
 
  Good work, though! It is a very good job!
 
  One thing from your screenshot, are there two different menubar 
  backgrounds?
 
  smartboy
 
 
  Thank you very much for a response.  The compression in the .jpeg lost
  some detail, but they are both the same.
 
  http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12767/screenshot_s32kXx.png
 
  Thanks again. :)
 
 
 
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 Ah, ok. How does the theme look without compositing? Depending on
 compositing is still bad right now, as not everyone can use it or want
 to use it.
 
 Smartboy
 

Looks the same as far as I can see, absent blur
(gnome-terminal/notify-osd) and transparency. 

http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/12768/screenshot_4ZY47B.png


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Ben Crisford
  Anyone can join by
contributing to ubuntu artwork. Non-members can post to the list but it
will be moderated to avoid unnecessary distractions. The old list will
still exist and be 
  used much as it is today. As Saleel pointed it, the
lists serve different purposes but are equally important.

IMO anyone should be able to join, even if their posts to the list are 
moderated.

  I am not sure what part of this idea breaks any promise made by ubuntu.

This is from ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy:
The freedom to study how the programme works and adapt it to your 
needs.
When this is applied to artwork, doesn't it mean how it was made,who made 
it etc?  Ubuntu users have the right to know what is going on with the artwork 
team.  With the devel mailing list anyone can join, but posts are moderated.  
This is what we need.

You might have already said this, but I wasn't sure because it wasn't too clear.

Regards,
Ben





From: Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com
To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Monday, 20 April, 2009 14:55:52
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

On Monday 20 April 2009 15:29:46 Ben Crisford wrote:
 Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used.. Once we
  know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

 I hope by moderated anyone can join, but is moderated?

Anyone can join by contributing to ubuntu artwork. Non-members can post to the 
list but it will be moderated to avoid unnecessary distractions. The old list 
will still exist and be used much as it is today. As Saleel pointed it, the 
lists serve different purposes but are equally important. 

 Because the whole philosophy of ubuntu is freedom, and the community
 running it to as much of an extent as they can.

 If not everyone can join then it in my opinion that is breaking the ubuntu
 promise...

I am not sure what part of this idea breaks any promise made by ubuntu.

--
Ken

 I'm not in favour of this at all (as you can tell from my emails) but if it 
 goes ahead I want it to be fair.  So I hope by:
 Right, there is a new moderated email list waiting to be used. Once we
  know exactly what and how we want to use it, we can.

 You mean that it will be run like the development list?

No, more like the technical board list or such.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder

2009-04-20 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 @Matthew

 It's been about 3 weeks since the last word on this. This was an idea
 with alot of steam that has seem to fallen down. Like all of us I know
 you have many duties but there was a lot of interest in this and I hope
 you haven't missed your opportunity Did you say you were gonna have some
 research up like 2 weekends ago?.


Sorry for the delay, the jaunty release is consuming all of my time.
Don't consider this abandoned yet, Jaunty is out the door on Thursday
and around next Monday I'll be going through my inbox and todo list to
set priorities.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:25 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

 However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info,
 discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap?

Wiki and forum?


 I do want to see things change, but I want to 1,000% certain that we
 are doing the right thing before we change *anything*.

Impossible.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 21:52 -0400, John Baer wrote:

 My suggestion is to improve our processes. I would divide our
 submissions into categories. Submit to one, or submit to all. Categories
 would be bound to a series (e.g. Incoming/Karmic).
 
 * Backgrounds (e.g. Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds)
 * GTK Themes 
 * Icons or Icon Themes
 * Sounds or Sound Themes
 * Usplash Themes
 * Other(?)

Actually, backgrounds and GTK themes should be developed in context, at
least regarding colors.

I still created a Backgrounds page because there usually are many
submissions, but only few themes. Plus even if you do work on
backgrounds in combination with themes, it's still nice to have an
overview.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Cory K.
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:25 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote:
   
 However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info,
 discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap?
 

 Wiki and forum?

IMO, the unmoderated ubuntu-art-discuss list.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our @$$3$ in gear. or, a team restructuring.

2009-04-20 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:07 -0400, Cory K. wrote:
 Thorsten Wilms wrote:
  On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 14:25 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

  However, I do think that people need a place to start, find info,
  discuss, etc. How do we fill this gap?
  
 
  Wiki and forum?
 
 IMO, the unmoderated ubuntu-art-discuss list.


As long as we keep an unmoderated ubuntu-art-discuss where we still pay
attention, all I expect from another list is making things more
complicated. Divided attention, what has been said where ...


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Re: [ubuntu-art] newest member - Christina Kokott

2009-04-20 Thread Christina Kokott

Kenneth Wimer wrote:

Hi all,


Let's give a hearty ubuntu-artwork-team welcome to one of the newest 
members of the team, Christina Kokott. Christina is on the design team 
overseeing the redesign of all portals and should be first point of 
contact for web queries.




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Hello Everybody!

Thank you all for the nice welcome!

I am glad to be on board and very excited to be part of such a vibrant 
and enthusiastic community.
If you have any questions about our web projects, my artwork, or plain 
ol' me, do not hesitate to ask.


You can follow my design  IA blurps on identi.ca if you like. User name 
-like everywhere else- is 'arusha'
a name which stuck from way back when I worked on my first art project 
at university.


Looking forward to all your input!

Speak soon,

Christina


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Re: [ubuntu-art] newest member - Christina Kokott

2009-04-20 Thread kevin sekniqi
Welcome!

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Christina Kokott 
christina.kok...@canonical.com wrote:

  Kenneth Wimer wrote:

 Hi all,


  Let's give a hearty ubuntu-artwork-team welcome to one of the newest
 members of the team, Christina Kokott. Christina is on the design team
 overseeing the redesign of all portals and should be first point of contact
 for web queries.



  --
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 Hello Everybody!

 Thank you all for the nice welcome!

 I am glad to be on board and very excited to be part of such a vibrant and
 enthusiastic community.
 If you have any questions about our web projects, my artwork, or plain ol'
 me, do not hesitate to ask.

 You can follow my design  IA blurps on identi.ca if you like. User name
 -like everywhere else- is 'arusha'
 a name which stuck from way back when I worked on my first art project at
 university.

 Looking forward to all your input!

 Speak soon,

 Christina


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Re: Call for Mobile specifications for Karmic Koala

2009-04-20 Thread Emmet Hikory
Emmet Hikory wrote:
 Fellow Ubuntu Mobile enthusiasts,
 
 As many of you know, the Ubuntu Development Summit for Karmic Koala
 (1) is coming soon, and is in the process of being scheduled and
 defined.  Towards that, there is a need for specifications for features
 to be delivered for the Mobile flavours within the Karmic cycle.
 
 Specifications for the Mobile Track are to be submitted according to
 guidelines on the Ubuntu Wiki (2), and the deadline for submission is
 0:00 UTC 21st April.
 
 As there are a limited number of sessions available, please only
 submit specifications where you are prepared to participate in both
 discussion and implementation.  Priority will be given for feature
 specifications represented in in person at UDS or with strong
 development backing.
 
 For Mobile-specific specifications, please use the
 ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list to discuss, refine, or build
 consensus prior to submission.  For those specifications that have a
 wider impact, and are expected to also affect other flavours of Ubuntu,
 please bring discussion to either the ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com or
 ubuntu-devel-disc...@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list.
 
 1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSKarmic
 2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/KarmicSpecifications

It's now the 20th of April in most parts of the world, and yet the
number of submitted specifications falls well beneath the number of
slots available in the schedule.  I'm not sure of the final numbers, but
I expect there to be over 20 slots available for Mobile topics.

So, please submit your stuff soon.  There's a list of ideas for
discussion: if any of these appeal to you, please register appropriate
specifications, and submit them for review.  If you have an idea that
may warrant discussion, please add it to the list of ideas.  If you can
describe something, but don't know how to get started on doing it, post
to this mailing list (ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com) with your
description and a call for help.

For those frantically working to beat the deadline, it may be
possible to accept specifications a little later, but there should be
time to at least get a base list for this week's meeting, so there's not
a lot of stretch.  Space allocation is likely to be made very soon, and
if we don't have a good list of specs for Mobile stuff, the rooms may be
used for other topics.

For those of you who do not expect to be able to physically attend
UDS, but who will be available during the times of the sessions,
consider submitting something for discussion remotely.  UDS sessions
traditionally have available VoIP lines and some have projected IRC
sessions, to facilitate remote involvement.

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Login Keyboard for Tablet PC

2009-04-20 Thread Ramaddan

Hi,
I have been using Ubuntu Mobile for a while, and happy with it, and even
updated it to Jaunty.
It fits better with the Tablet PC than Ubuntu-Netbook.
Thanks to all those who made this available.
I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following:
1) I have an idea of how to make xvkbd come up at login, since I need it
for a Tablet PC with no keyboard.
However, what I currently do is anugly hack as follows:
sleep 5  /usr/bin/xvkbd -geometry -10-10   # This is used for the xvkbd
keyboard during login
That I place before the exit 0 line at the end of the following file:
/etc/gdm/PostSession/Default
However, I was wondering if anyone can give me a more proper way to achieve
this, something that is more in line with what is actually happening when
GDM is login.
2) This is kind of a long shot, but I was wondering whether there is any
way of making the Touch LCD detect and work as Ubuntu is booting, and if a
virtual keyboard could also be provided at bootup.
The reason I am asking this is that currently, due to the nature of Tablet
PCs with no keyboard, I cannot encrypt the hardisk of the PC, because I
will not be able to type in the password at log in.
Thus, Tablet PCs with no keyboard lose out on this security feature.
I would really appreciate it if anyone can give me any pointers or
direction on this.
Thanks


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[ubuntu-in] persistent configuration of nvidia graphics card on hardy 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Moz
Hi,

My graphics settings will not remain persistent. I need to set it to
1366x768, but the closest I am allowed is 1280x768, but even that does
not remain so after logout or reboot.

I have an ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard which has the NVIDIA GeForce
7025 graphics chipset onboard, Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.2 is installed, 2 GB
RAM is installed. I have enabled the non-free graphics drivers. A Dell
19 inch widescreen LCD monitor is connected to this motherboard. The
monitor says that optimum resolution is 1366x768, but I do not have that
option in the nvidia-settings control panel. nvidia-settings and
nvidia-xconfig are installed. The version of the driver is 169.12. I am
downloading the current version from nvidia.com and intend to install it
to see if that will make any difference.

Any suggestions?

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[ubuntu-in] persistent configuration of nvidia graphics card on hardy 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Moz
Hi,

My graphics settings will not remain persistent. I need to set it to
1366x768, but the closest I am allowed is 1280x768, but even that does
not remain so after logout or reboot.

I have an ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard which has the NVIDIA GeForce
7025 graphics chipset onboard, Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.2 is installed, 2 GB
RAM is installed. I have enabled the non-free graphics drivers. A Dell
19 inch widescreen LCD monitor is connected to this motherboard. The
monitor says that optimum resolution is 1366x768, but I do not have that
option in the nvidia-settings control panel. nvidia-settings and
nvidia-xconfig are installed. The version of the driver is 169.12. I am
downloading the current version from nvidia.com and intend to install it
to see if that will make any difference.

I downloaded the driver, and I have a chicken and egg situation it
seems. I can not install the driver because X server is running, I can
stop X server if I boot to a root shell from the grub menu, but that is
runlevel 1 and the driver installer is complaining about that. What to
do?

Any suggestions?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] persistent configuration of nvidia graphics card on hardy 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Onkar Shinde
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Moz list...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 My graphics settings will not remain persistent. I need to set it to
 1366x768, but the closest I am allowed is 1280x768, but even that does not
 remain so after logout or reboot.

 I have an ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 motherboard which has the NVIDIA GeForce 7025
 graphics chipset onboard, Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.2 is installed, 2 GB RAM is
 installed. I have enabled the non-free graphics drivers. A Dell 19 inch
 widescreen LCD monitor is connected to this motherboard. The monitor says
 that optimum resolution is 1366x768, but I do not have that option in the
 nvidia-settings control panel. nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig are
 installed. The version of the driver is 169.12. I am downloading the current
 version from nvidia.com and intend to install it to see if that will make
 any difference.

 I downloaded the driver, and I have a chicken and egg situation it seems. I
 can not install the driver because X server is running, I can stop X server
 if I boot to a root shell from the grub menu, but that is runlevel 1 and the
 driver installer is complaining about that. What to do?

Did you try to use Ctrl + Alt + F1 from GDM screen to go to console?

By the way, installing drivers from upstream is not recommended
because you never know what will break. You should try to solve your
problem in some other way.

What does the screen resolution say about available resolutions? Why
are you using nvidia specific tools to manage resolution?
Do you have all updates installed (specifically linux-restricted-modules)?


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Re: [ubuntu-in] persistent configuration of nvidia graphics card on hardy 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Moz
Hi Onkar

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:


  I downloaded the driver, and I have a chicken and egg situation it seems.
 I
  can not install the driver because X server is running, I can stop X
 server
  if I boot to a root shell from the grub menu, but that is runlevel 1 and
 the
  driver installer is complaining about that. What to do?

 Did you try to use Ctrl + Alt + F1 from GDM screen to go to console?

Yes, I did that. And from there I even tried to give a command 'gdm stop'
(with and without sudo).

 By the way, installing drivers from upstream is not recommended
 because you never know what will break. You should try to solve your
 problem in some other way.

I was trying to install only because I can not do persistent settings any
other way.


 What does the screen resolution say about available resolutions? Why
 are you using nvidia specific tools to manage resolution?
 Do you have all updates installed (specifically linux-restricted-modules)?

available resolutions are 1366x768 and below. Trying to use nvidia specific
tools because I could not do persistent settings any other way so trying
this way.
linux-restricted-modules are installed, not all updates. I am on a WLL CDMA
internet connection, and that too far away from the tower so speeds are very
low. Can't do all updates.

Thanks,
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Impossible de voir l'avis de cotisation sur le site revenu Quebec

2009-04-20 Thread Pierre-Luc Bacon
Faudrait jetter un coup d'oeil au contenu html de la page. Ils ont
peut-être du code javascript d'autodétection de l'os/browser et
n'arrivant pas trouver la signature du système, lance cette erreur là.

User agent switcher:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59

s'avère souvent utile pour déjouer ce genre de mauvaises pratiques là.

2009/4/20 Jacques Bournival jacq...@bournival.org:
 Bonjour à tous,

 J'aimerais savoir si parmi vous, certains ont réussi à obtenir leur
 « avis de cotisation » via le site ClicSecur du gouvernement du Québec.

 Pour ma part, tout ce que j'obtiens c'est un message comme quoi je n'ai
 pas Acrobat Reader ou ma version ne me permet pas d'ouvrir le document.

 Pourtant, j'ai bel et bien Acrobat Reader 9.1 et dans about:plugins de
 Firefox je vois que j'utilise le plug-in 9.1

 J'ai l'impression qu'ont à un autre cas du type Radio-Canada, mais cette
 fois avec notre propre gouvernement!

 Merci d'avance de vos suggestions toujours appréciées.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Lot Ubuntu-quebec, Vol 41, Parution 44

2009-04-20 Thread serge lizotte

je ne comprend pas votre message svp je suis pres a payer les frais de poste 
pour avoir ubuntu 9.04 montreal ces trop loin pour moi.
pensez vous qui seras dans la revue linux ce mois ici
merci

 From: ubuntu-quebec-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Lot Ubuntu-quebec, Vol 41, Parution 44
 To: ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com
 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:00:22 +0100
 
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 Ubuntu-quebec...
 
 
 Thèmes du jour :
 
1. Re: Party de lancement Ubuntu 9.04 Montréal - 30 avril au St
   Sulpice (David Tremblay)
2. Re: Party de lancement Ubuntu 9.04 Montréal - 30 avril au St
   Sulpice (Fabian Rodriguez)
 
 
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 Message: 1
 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:22:23 -0400
 From: David Tremblay da...@ngowiki.net
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Party de lancement Ubuntu 9.04 Montréal - 30
   avril au St Sulpice
 To: Mailing list for the Quebec Team ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com
 Message-ID:
   675eb6690904190722t16c8bcc6x3e2cc79b68fff...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 Parlant de CD et autre
 
 Est-ce qu'on pourrait partager les frais d'impression des CD entre la
 métropole et la capitale ?
 
 2009/4/15 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com:
  Bon, je sais que bcp sont habitués de me voir faire ces annonces...
  Cette fois j'espèrais que qq'un tente qq chose de différent, mais je
  reçois plein de messages demandant de répéter la formule. Par contre
  nous allons déplacer à une semaine après le release, question d'avoir
  des CD et DVD prêts et qq chose à montrer :)
 
  Faites aller vos réseaux ;)
 
  Texte officiel de l'invitation pour  Montréal:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/JauntyParty/Invitation
 
  En résumé:
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/JauntyParty  (merci à David Tremblay
  qui a déjà mis l'info pour QC)
 
  *Date, heure*: Jeudi 30 avril, 17h - Bar Le St-Sulpice 1680,
  Saint-Denis, Montréal, Québec, H2X3K6
  http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=time=date=ttype=q=1680+Rue+St-Denis,+Montr%C3%A9al,+QC,+Canadasll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=40.409448,82.265625ie=UTF8z=16iwloc=addrom=1
  514-844-9458 - Metro Berri UQAM sortie St-Denis.
 
  *RSVP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/JauntyParty/RSVP
  *
 
  *Attention* - Le St-Sulpice est un bar, donc réservé aux 18 ans et plus.
  Si vous organisez un autre party à un endroit où cette restriction ne
  s'applique pas, annoncez-le ici SVP.
 
  Accès Internet gratuit fourni par Ile sans fil http://www.ilesansfil.org.
 
  Je mettrais d'autres liens à jour sous peu. Ne vous gênez pas pour faire
  circuler.
 
  A+
 
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 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:41:42 -0400
 From: Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Party de lancement Ubuntu 9.04 Montréal - 30
   avril au St Sulpice
 To: Mailing list for the Quebec Team ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com
 Message-ID: 49ebeef6.20...@ubuntu.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 r dion wrote:
  Bonjour,
 
  Je désire participer au lancement Jaunty le 30 avril. J'ai été sur la
  page RSVP mais je ne sais comment mettre mon nom. Dois-je m'enregistrer ?
 
 Non, ce n'est nullement obligatoire. C'est seulement pour avoir une idée
 de ceux qui viendront.
 
 Pour éditer une page wiki il faut avoir un compte sur Launchpad.net et
 ensuite clicker sur Edit en haut de la page.
 
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[Ubuntu-QC] shipit: CD Ubuntu 9.04

2009-04-20 Thread Philippe Marchand
Bonjour M. Serge Lizotte,

Je ne sais pas si ça peut vous convenir, mais Ubuntu a un service d'envoi
postal gratuit de CD pour chacune de ses distributions. Le seul petit
inconvénient c'est le délai d'envoi (il mentionne de 6 à 10 semaines sur
leur site, mais à mon expérience c'est plus court).

Je vous laisse le lien : https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

Bonne journée,

Philippe Marchand

2009/4/20 serge lizotte anguill...@hotmail.com

  je ne comprend pas votre message svp je suis pres a payer les frais de
 poste pour avoir ubuntu 9.04 montreal ces trop loin pour moi.
 pensez vous qui seras dans la revue linux ce mois ici
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[ubuntu-uk] Bash and Path checks

2009-04-20 Thread Cornelius Mostert
Are you doing this to avoid the mkdir if the directory you are creating
already exists? If so, then the is an option -p which means it is not an
error if the directory already exists. It also creates parent
directories as needed, so:

   mkdir -p $newPath/Sound/MP3
   mkdir -o $newpath/Sound/wav

will do what you want without the need to test.
(BTW, it's forward slashes / in Linux, not backslahes!)
Of course, I may have misunderstood what you are trying to achieve.

Regards,
Tony.

Thanx I will try the -p option.
As I understand it the \ is to pipe whatever onto what is infront of
the \ so it reads Get the Variable and Pipe the following onto it ...

You have understood my question...

Thanx

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[ubuntu-uk] Samba as Print Server

2009-04-20 Thread Cornelius Mostert
Hallo all

I have a Samba and Printer problem...
Site details:
Linux Primary Domain Controller - Samba
Clients - Win XP
Printers - Various shared on the client PCs
Print Server - Samba

Problem:
I have a problem getting NON root/Admin users to print...
1. So PC A is a Win XP PC having a shared printer
2. PC B (Win Admin User logged on) CAN print to Samba/CUPS printer
shared on PC A
3. PC B (normal NON Admin user logged on) CAN NOT print to
Samba/CUPS printer shared on PC A

I have tried to log on to the Server (on the server) as Root type user
and he CAN print to the Shared printer but a NON root user can not
print to the Shared printer.

So it seems like it is not a WIN problem but the way I have setup the
shared printer on CUPS/Samba, I have followed and looked at a lot of
tutorials but this thing just keeps on being out of reach...

Any Ideas...

ps. I would not be able to come to the Wales release party any longer sorry

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bash and Path checks

2009-04-20 Thread Sean Miller
pipe is | not \

\ is the way you make a character literal.  In other words you remove
it from the parsing and have it interpreted as the character it is.

Like I'm going slightly \mad\... ;-)

Best,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bash and Path checks

2009-04-20 Thread Tony Arnold
Cornelius,

Cornelius Mostert wrote:
 Are you doing this to avoid the mkdir if the directory you are creating
 already exists? If so, then the is an option -p which means it is not an
 error if the directory already exists. It also creates parent
 directories as needed, so:

   mkdir -p $newPath/Sound/MP3
   mkdir -o $newpath/Sound/wav

Oops! That last line should read:

mkdir -p $newPath/Sound/wav

 will do what you want without the need to test.
 (BTW, it's forward slashes / in Linux, not backslahes!)
 Of course, I may have misunderstood what you are trying to achieve.

 Regards,
 Tony.
 
 Thanx I will try the -p option.
 As I understand it the \ is to pipe whatever onto what is infront of
 the \ so it reads Get the Variable and Pipe the following onto it ...

You were using it as a separator in a path to separate the various
directory names. In Linux/Unix that should be a forward slash (/).
Windows uses the backslash (\) for such purposes.

As others have pointed out, pipes are something else.

 You have understood my question...

Oh good! I was worried I had missed something!

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[ubuntu-uk] Bash and Path checks

2009-04-20 Thread Cornelius Mostert
Thanx but I am familiar with / in Linux and \ in windows... i saw a
script use \ as i did and naturally I assumes (incorrectly though)
that it is also | (pipe) but backward pipe like , come to think of it
the path the person wanted to append to the variable a path that
contained a space in it so that is why he used the \ to make the
script use the space in the path and not think that it is a second
parameter...

UMmmm Note to self and others try not to use spaces in file paths :-)
but then again you guys know that ...

 will do what you want without the need to test.
 (BTW, it's forward slashes / in Linux, not backslahes!)
 Of course, I may have misunderstood what you are trying to achieve.

 Regards,
 Tony.

 Thanx I will try the -p option.
 As I understand it the \ is to pipe whatever onto what is infront of
 the \ so it reads Get the Variable and Pipe the following onto it ...

 You were using it as a separator in a path to separate the various
 directory names. In Linux/Unix that should be a forward slash (/).
 Windows uses the backslash (\) for such purposes.

 As others have pointed out, pipes are something else.

 You have understood my question...

 Oh good! I was worried I had missed something!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bash and Path checks

2009-04-20 Thread Tony Travis
Cornelius Mostert wrote:
 Thanx but I am familiar with / in Linux and \ in windows... i saw a
 script use \ as i did and naturally I assumes (incorrectly though)
 that it is also | (pipe) but backward pipe like , come to think of it
 the path the person wanted to append to the variable a path that
 contained a space in it so that is why he used the \ to make the
 script use the space in the path and not think that it is a second
 parameter...
 
 UMmmm Note to self and others try not to use spaces in file paths :-)
 but then again you guys know that ...

Hello, Cornelius.

You do sometimes see '\' after a pipe, when it is used to escape 
newlines, in order to make shell scripts more readable. For example the 
one-line pipeline:

command1 with lots of arguments | command2 with many more arguments

Can be written on two lines as:

command1 with lots of arguments |\
command2 with many more arguments

This pipeline can also be written as:

command1 with lots of arguments \
| command2 with many more arguments

I prefer the second style, which makes it more obvious what the scope of 
the pipeline is. You can put quotes around paths with spaces in them.

Bye,

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[ubuntu-uk] Manchester Free Software Talk: green h consulting, a social venture using free software

2009-04-20 Thread Tim Dobson
Anyone coming to the Jaunty release party later on this week might also 
be interested in this:

Hope to see you there!

Tim :)

 Original Message 
Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] Re: Manchester Free Software Talk: green h 
consulting, a social venture using free software
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:54:14 +0100
From: Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com
To: Manchester Free Software fsuk-manches...@nongnu.org

As someone else pointed out, I forgot to mention the date!

It's this Tuesday, 21st April (tomorrow). Please respond if you can
come along. It promises to be a really interesting talk and I know
that Des is keen to hear questions and comments from people.

2009/4/19 Lucy lucybrid...@gmail.com:
 This month's talk be given by Des Gregory from greenh [1], a
 with-permission-free-franchise-social-enterprise based in Manchester.
 They sell low cost, reconditioned computers to communities, schools
 and low businesses (to name but a few), earning money for Ubuntu
 'techies' in the process.

 [1] http://www.greenh.co.uk/

 PLEASE READ THE DETAILS ABOUT A CHANGE OF LOCATION!

 Location
 --
 There has been a delay in confirming location this month, hence the
 late email! We are hoping to have the talk at the BBC building on
 Oxford Road again [2]. However, we are still awaiting confirmation of
 this and if we don't get the room we will meet in Bar Odder just
 across the road instead [3].

 Assuming we meet at the BBC, access is via the front entrance
 (including disabled access), where someone will meet you in the
 reception area.

 As usual the talk will start at 7pm and it will end around 8.30pm.
 There will be refreshments available from a vending machine.

 Due to fire regulations we need to know in advance the names of people
 who will be there (it's a secure building), so if you think you will
 be coming please reply to this email or email
 t...@manchester.fsuk.org.

 [2] New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ
 [3] http://www.oddbar.co.uk/odder/index

 General information about Manchester Free Software meetings can be
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server Power Management

2009-04-20 Thread Ian Pascoe
Cheers Folks, Ian

-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
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Sent: 19 April 2009 19:08
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Server Power Management


2009/4/19 Ian Pascoe softy.lofty@btinternet.com:
 I'm thinking that a Krone job could be used to turn it off, but don't know
 which commands to use to ensure that it shuts down properly.  I suspect
that
 for turning on, I need to set something in the BIOS so that as soon as the
 power is turned on by the timer, the server comes up too.


Yeah, the Wake On Lan option is what you need, or WoL. Although some
BIOSs put it in odd places and call it strange things.

I leave my viglen on 24x7 and when I want to wake other machines up at
home (remotely or otherwise) I use the etherwake command:-

sudo etherwake 00:1B:FC:XX:XX:XX

It wakes up the other machine and a few mins later I can get to it via
whatever protocol I need.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Work Experience

2009-04-20 Thread Tim Dobson
Josh Holland wrote:
 Sorry if this is very late notice, but I would like to ask if any
 Midlands-based companies would be able to take me on for work
 experience related to computers this summer.

Heya

Sadly I can't help out here this time, but you should definitely come 
and hang on on #dfey a bit.
DFEY-NW has very good connections with industry in the northwest but the 
occasional things else where do come to our attention.

It'd be good to see you around sometime.

Tim Dobson

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Ubuntu Studio daily CD health check

2009-04-20 Thread Colin Watson
This is a daily health check report on the Ubuntu Studio CD images.
If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com.

No problems found!

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Re: Burning 8.04-2 Iso Problems.

2009-04-20 Thread Paul Gear
Scott Evans wrote:
 The  only thing that springs to mind is that the CD-ROM on the PC your
 attempting to install from maybe on its way out! 

Except that he tried two different CD drives...

I would guess that there was actually a corruption in the CD mastering
process, and use the 8.04 original CD instead.

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Re: Translations have become suggestions

2009-04-20 Thread Moritz Baumann
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Jeroen Vermeulen schrieb:
 1. Other translations were imported (or selected by another translation
 team member) after you provided yours.

No other member of the German team had worked on these templates.

 2. If you did a published upload, then any non-published translations
 that Launchpad had for the same strings would remain selected, and the
 newly-imported ones would be taken as suggestions.

Even if the string had not been translated before the imported
translation is now shown as a suggestion. And after the import all new
translations had (temporarily) been shown as the current translation,
that's what puzzles me most.

Moritz
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Re: request for release notes translations

2009-04-20 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Artur,

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 03:50:37PM +0200, Artur Szymanski wrote:
 I'm wondering if string in Section Recommended packages installed by
 default that reads if you want to make this permanent, set
 APT::Install-Recommends false; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. shouldn't be
 change to if you want to make this permanent, type sudo echo
 APT::Install-Recommends false;  /etc/apt/apt.conf.
 In my installation of 9.04 I have not /etc/apt/apt.conf file and
 probably I had not it in my 8.10 as well.
 Maybe I wrong and accidentaly I removed apt.conf file some time ago, so
 I would like to ask you if this file should or not be in default
 installation.

apt.conf does not exist by default.  However, I'm not sure we want to give a
specific command for this in the release notes, as opposed to leaving it as
a question of using your editor to make the change; generally speaking,
turning off auto-installation of recommends is not going to give very
satisfactory results for the average user, so if a user doesn't already know
how to edit config files on their system, I don't think we should be giving
them a loaded gun to shoot themselves in the foot with.

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Re: Translations have become suggestions

2009-04-20 Thread Jeroen Vermeulen
Hello Moritz,

Moritz Baumann wrote:

 1. Other translations were imported (or selected by another translation
 team member) after you provided yours.
 
 No other member of the German team had worked on these templates.

 2. If you did a published upload, then any non-published translations
 that Launchpad had for the same strings would remain selected, and the
 newly-imported ones would be taken as suggestions.
 
 Even if the string had not been translated before the imported
 translation is now shown as a suggestion. And after the import all new
 translations had (temporarily) been shown as the current translation,
 that's what puzzles me most.

Puzzling indeed!  Do you know exactly when this was?  We may be able to 
correlate it to something.


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Re: request for release notes translations

2009-04-20 Thread David Planella
2009/4/15 Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com:
 Hi folks,

 The Ubuntu 9.04 release candidate is coming up tomorrow, and efforts are
 underway to flesh out the release notes so that our early adopters get
 useful information when clicking that link from within the live CD
 installer.  And a part of that is that we would like to have the release
 notes translated as widely as possible.

 Draft release notes for Ubuntu 9.04 are available at
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes.  While these are not
 yet final, I expect that all the issues documented there will be included in
 the final release notes.

 Please use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes/langcode
 for your translations, and coordinate with Matthew Nuzum
 matthew.nu...@canonical.com (cc:ed), when you are ready to have these
 translations linked from the Ubuntu website.

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Šegan
Hi Adi,

У пет, 17. 04 2009. у 11:33 +0300, Adi Roiban пише:

 I tried to used the automatic Rosetta import feature release this
 cycle, but it looks like it's not ready yet... so I went back to
 manual import.

Template import should be fine.  You should not need to do any other
imports of actual PO files after that (other than the initial one, if
you want).

We've accidentally landed a UI change which enables PO imports as well,
and that's what you used which is not yet ready on our production
servers.

Cheers,
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Re: Translations have become suggestions

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Šegan
Hi Moritz,

У пет, 17. 04 2009. у 13:23 +0200, Moritz Baumann пише:

 during the translation process of Jaunty I've experienced a weird
 behaviour multiple times: Rosetta suddenly degraded my translations to
 suggestions some hours after I've made them. Two examples:
 - - computer-janitor
 - - new upstream translations for gnome-user-docs (uploaded by me for
 completing the translation in launchpad)

That really sounds strange.  Can you give URLs to actual pages where you
see that happen, describing a situation in a bit more detail.

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jaunty, RT, ATI, 3D acceleration

2009-04-20 Thread laurent.bellegarde
Hi all,

This is my last test of jaunty studio.

There is still a large trouble with ATI 3D Flgrx driver with Jaunty RT 
32 bit kernel.

my laptop to test :

- dual-core Pentium 4-2 Ghz ; 4 Go ram ; ATI radeon HD3470 256 Mo

under hardy

- hardy studio 64 - ATI 3D flrgx - RT kernel (production system) : Ok 
for all, 3D acceleration gives excellents results

under jaunty

- jaunty studio 32 - ATI 2D open driver - RT kernel : ok for all, very 
small 3D acceleration, video editing tools are slowest during video effects.

- jaunty studio 32 - ATI 3D Fligrx - RT kernel : boot ok, i can hear the 
first sound of gdm appear but the image is a mid of black and colored 
square, if i give my user name/password, i can connect the desktop (i 
can hear the music of opening clearly) but without seeing something, the 
screen keeps his view. If i tried the CRTL+ALT+F2 to open a terminal, 
the system reboot suddenly !!! Nothing is possible.

- jaunty studio 32 - ATI 3D Fligrx - generic kernel : Ok for all, 3D 
acceleration gives medium results, video readers are slowed, same thing 
for video editing tools.

So if you need to use 3D acceleration and RT kernel under ubuntu with an 
ATI card, Hardy Studio is still the best at this time.

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Re: Re: Jaunty RT testing

2009-04-20 Thread wayne
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 21:30 +, beej...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Apr 19, 2009 2:00pm, wayne wa...@jawnee.org wrote:
  maybe it is not jackd that is stuck, but qjackctl, the QT gui
 for using jack?  if so, killall qjackctl.bin may work.  the nice
 thing about killall (at least on 8.04), is that after typing
 killall, then entering a space, then start typing the name of the
 process, you can use the Tab key (ala Bash command completion) to
 finish the process name.  when JACK freezes, check with killall if
 jackd is even running.  it may just be that qtjackctl is stuck, which
 happens to me when the underlying jackd process crashes: jackd dies,
 but qtjackctl is frozen.  also, the qtjackctl process will prob be
 qtjackctl.bin, since that pre-script pauses PulseAudio using
 paususpender before starting jackd... again, at least on 8.04.  this
 way, no PulseAudio getting in the way, while not having to totally
 remove it.
  
  
  
  hope that helps.
 
 Thanks, I'll give these different techniques a shot, I'm sure one of
 them will work. I'm still a bit baffled as to why the GUI for qjackctl
 was changed at all to remove the ability to force quit. It worked
 fined in Hardy, but with Jaunty the ability to just hit the 'X' button
 on the windows and close it is now gone, along with the ability to
 right click and hit 'force quit'. It's the same for any windows that
 JACK opens up, such as the message window. Before, you could close it
 by hitting the 'X' button, but now you must close it by hitting the
 'Messages' button on the GUI itself. Did they just want to make sure
 people were using the GUI to do these things?
 
 -Brian

not sure about the changes, as i am still using 8.04 Hardy.  perhaps
it is as you said, making sure the qjackctl program can only be closed
certain ways, ensuring better cleanup of underlying jackd processes...
or maybe something changed in QT/GNOME/Metacity in 9.10 Jaunty.  let us
know if it works.

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raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread laurent.bellegarde
Hi,

To be able to acquire DV from a firewire camera, an simple user need to 
have enough right over /dev/raw1394.

at the normal boot, this module hasn't got the good rights and a simple 
user have to do each boot

sudo chmod 666 /dev/raw1394 in a terminal to be able to record DV from 
the camera with kino, or dvgrab in a command line.

is there a file that can be modified to boot this module with the 666 
rights, to allowed every user to use the DV camera ?

this is an important point that could be package in ubuntu studio 
controls with the excellent sandie GUI. I've tweaked her GUI a little 
and i have a button that change it graphically now, but not for all the 
startup...


Thank's for answers,

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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread Christopher Stamper
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, laurent.bellegarde
laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:
 Hi,

 To be able to acquire DV from a firewire camera, an simple user need to
 have enough right over /dev/raw1394.


You probably just need to make your user a memeber of a certain group
(maybe 'audio'?).


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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread sue...@empire.net


Original Message:
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From: Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:37:07 -0400
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?


On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, laurent.bellegarde
laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:
 Hi,

 To be able to acquire DV from a firewire camera, an simple user need to
 have enough right over /dev/raw1394.


You probably just need to make your user a memeber of a certain group
(maybe 'audio'?).



I've seen this with jaunty.

Everytime I reboot, the permissions and group on raw1394 revert to root.


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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread Cory K.
I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for this.
Can anyone confirm?


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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread Cory K.
sue...@empire.net wrote:
 I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for this.
 Can anyone confirm?

 

 Speaking of UBStudio Controls, is there doc anywhere that defines what it
 does?

 For example, what files it changes, what parameters it changes?

 Or even recommendations for memlock limits, etc.?
   

No. It needs documentation for sure. Anyone is welcome to pick this up.
Just ask any questions and Andrew or Luis can chime in.


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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread laurent.bellegarde
Cory K. a écrit :
 sue...@empire.net wrote:
   
 I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for this.
 Can anyone confirm?

 
   
 Speaking of UBStudio Controls, is there doc anywhere that defines what it
 does?

 For example, what files it changes, what parameters it changes?

 Or even recommendations for memlock limits, etc.?
   
 

 No. It needs documentation for sure. Anyone is welcome to pick this up.
 Just ask any questions and Andrew or Luis can chime in.

well, when a user tick the checkbox enable raw1394, what does exactly 
ubuntu studio controls ?

for a simple user, to be able to get video from a DV camera, he needs 
two things,

- probing raw1394 module with sudo modprobe raw1394 (can be written for 
all the startup in /etc/modules)

- giving the good right to raw 1394 with sudo chmod 666 /dev/raw1394 (i 
don't know yet which file i should modify, several ways are in tests)

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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread laurent.bellegarde
Cory K. a écrit :
 I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for this.
 Can anyone confirm?


 -Cory K.

   
I wish to help and improve ubuntu studio controls to create a simple, 
beautifull user friendly package.

how can I help starting here : https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls

by giving ideas in blueprints ? where can I write the command line to 
execute, given ideas about icons and interface ?

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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread Luis de Bethencourt
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:02 PM, laurent.bellegarde
laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:
 Cory K. a écrit :
 I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for this.
 Can anyone confirm?


 -Cory K.


 I wish to help and improve ubuntu studio controls to create a simple,
 beautifull user friendly package.

 how can I help starting here : https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls

 by giving ideas in blueprints ? where can I write the command line to
 execute, given ideas about icons and interface ?

 Laurent


Thanks!!!

Yes, ideas (icons and interface) go in blueprints, new features go in
bugs with the wish state and problems go in bug reports also.

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Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread Eric Hedekar
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:09 AM, laurent.bellegarde 
laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:

 Cory K. a écrit :
  sue...@empire.net wrote:
 
  I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for
 this.
  Can anyone confirm?
 
 
 
  Speaking of UBStudio Controls, is there doc anywhere that defines what
 it
  does?
 
  For example, what files it changes, what parameters it changes?
 
  Or even recommendations for memlock limits, etc.?
 
 
 
  No. It needs documentation for sure. Anyone is welcome to pick this up.
  Just ask any questions and Andrew or Luis can chime in.

 well, when a user tick the checkbox enable raw1394, what does exactly
 ubuntu studio controls ?

 for a simple user, to be able to get video from a DV camera, he needs
 two things,

 - probing raw1394 module with sudo modprobe raw1394 (can be written for
 all the startup in /etc/modules)

 - giving the good right to raw 1394 with sudo chmod 666 /dev/raw1394 (i
 don't know yet which file i should modify, several ways are in tests)

 Laurent


For the raw1394 checkbox, versions before 0.3 just simply changed the
permissions line in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules to be part of the
video group rather than disk, version 0.3 (or the 8.10 release) should
have done that plus add the raw1394 module (but I think a bug made it only
modprobe rather than change permissions too).  Versions 0.4 modprobes and
adds a line to /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules that gives
permissions to the video group (provided the latest bugfix is uploaded).

I hope that helps explain things - feel free to add this to a new
documentation page at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ubuntustudio-controls

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Re: Re: raw1394, good right for all during startup ?

2009-04-20 Thread beejunk

On Apr 20, 2009 11:35am, Luis de Bethencourt lui...@ubuntu.com wrote:

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:02 PM, laurent.bellegarde



laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote:



 Cory K. a écrit :


 I /believe/ a fix for Ubuntu Studio Controls was just accepted for  
this.



 Can anyone confirm?











 -Cory K.


Well, it's getting there. . .

First off, I can confirm that on my box, Ubuntu Studio Controls is now  
editing /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules. Something a little odd  
happened in my case, though. USC removed the line that said #firewire  
device (or something similar. You know, the comment line that says what  
device is affected) and replaced it with KERNEL==raw1394, GROUP=disk,  
which should in theory be fine, except that it did not remove the  
KERNEL==raw1394 line that is there by default, directly below that line,  
which places raw1394 in the 'video' group. Whether or not this matters, it  
did not work for me and I could not start JACK. So, I went ahead and  
removed that default KERNEL==raw1394 line to see if that worked, and  
after restarting the computer, the group for /dev/raw1394 had indeed  
changed to disk. That's a step forward, except that this still did not  
work, and I could not start JACK. Is there any reason /dev/raw1394 being  
owned by 'disk' would not give me the right permissions?


Anyway, I then just did what I usually have to do, which is to change the  
line to say GROUP=audio, put myself in the 'audio' group, and voila, it  
works again.


Hope this helps.

--Brian

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Re: [உபுண்டு பயனர ்]இதென்ன க ூத்து :-(

2009-04-20 Thread ம . ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M
ஜாவா http://java.com/en/ தொழில் நுட்பத்தின் காரண கர்த்தாவான சன் மைக்ரோ
சிஸ்டத்தை http://www.sun.com/ ஆரக்கிள்
நிறுவனம்http://www.oracle.com/index.html விலைக்கு
வாங்கிவிட்டது http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/2009_april/018363.htm.
ஐபிஎம் சன்னை வாங்கப்
போகிறதுhttp://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=030002RRA3YCfull_skip=1என்று
செய்திகள் கசிந்து பின்னர் இல்லையென
ஆன போது http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2259562/சற்றே
பெருமூச்சு விட்டிருக்கையில் இப்படியொரு சேதி! நிற்க.

இத்தகைய கும்பெனி அக்யூசிஷன் ஏற்படும் போதும் மேற்கொள்ளப்பட வேண்டிய
நெறிமுறைகள் பல இருக்கும் என்ற போதும் - மாடாய் உழைத்து எல்லாம் தந்த
தொழிலாளர்களையும் சேர்த்து விலைபேசும் போது தொழிலாளர்களின் கருத்துக்கள் ஏன்
கேட்கப்படுவதில்லை? மாதச் சம்பளம் கிடைத்தால் போதும் கம்பனியை யார் நடத்தினால்
என்ன என இவர்களும் ஏன் இருக்கிறார்கள்? தங்களது கருத்துக்கள் கேட்கப்பட
வேண்டும் என இவர்கள் ஏன் நினைப்பதில்லை?

ஆரக்கிள் - மைக்ரோசாப்ட் நிறுவனத்தைப் போன்றே ஒரு தனியுரிம
மென்பொருள்http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.ta.htmlநிறுவனம்.
எப்படி டெபியன் (நான் பயன்படுத்தி வரும் உபுண்டுவை தவிர்த்த காரணம்
கீழே விளங்கும்) உள்ளிட்ட
கட்டற்றhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.ta.htmlஇயங்குதளங்கள்
விண்டோஸுக்கு ஆப்பு வைக்க தொடங்கியுள்ளனவோ அதே போல் ஆரக்கள்ளின்
தரவுத் தள http://www.oracle.com/products/index.html#database ஏக போக
சாம்ராஜ்யத்தை அசைத்துக் காட்டியதில் மிகப்பெரிய பங்கு மை எஸ் க்யூ
எல்http://www.mysql.com/எனும் கட்டற்ற தரவுத் தளத்திற்கு உண்டு.

முழுவதும் வாசிக்க: http://amachu.net/blog/?p=175

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[ubuntu-ec] [OT] OpenOffice Impress Plantillas

2009-04-20 Thread Juan Márquez - Ubuntu Colombia
Saludos Cordiales.

Dando un cursito de Impress un alumno me dijo, que plantillas tan feas en
este Ubuntu, y bueno me puse en la tarea de ver si hay como ampliar las
plantillas para Impress y encontre esto. ademas es super facil de instalar,
un asistente de OpenOffice lo hace todo facil, solo es descargar y abrir el
archivo descargado.

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/modern-impress-templates

me gusto una que se llama SuSe Wallpaper.

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Re: [ubuntu-ec] [OT] OpenOffice Impress Plantillas

2009-04-20 Thread Esteban Mendieta Jara
Juan Márquez - Ubuntu Colombia wrote:
 Saludos Cordiales.

 Dando un cursito de Impress un alumno me dijo, que plantillas tan feas
 en este Ubuntu, y bueno me puse en la tarea de ver si hay como ampliar
 las plantillas para Impress y encontre esto. ademas es super facil de
 instalar, un asistente de OpenOffice lo hace todo facil, solo es
 descargar y abrir el archivo descargado.

 http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/modern-impress-templates

 me gusto una que se llama SuSe Wallpaper.

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[ubuntu-ec] Detener ataques Fuerza bruta

2009-04-20 Thread Alexander López
Estimados Amigos, si alguien tiene experiencia deteniendo ataques de 
fuerza bruta a los puertos 110, 143 le agradeceria mucho me sepa guiar 
para prevenir este tipo de ataques.

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[Ubuntu-BR] Network Manager Debian

2009-04-20 Thread Alex Martins
Bom dia! Amigos,

Estou fazendo testes com o Debian Lenny (Versão 5) porém senti falta do
applet Network Manager - Redes ao lado do relógio da barra superior do
Gnome.
Lendo em alguns tutoriais (http://www.gdhpress.com.br/blog/mais-dicas-lenny/)
é dito que este mecanismo foi retirando desta versão, até aí tudo bem.
Consigo encontrar o Network Manager no menu Sistema/Administração/Rede porém
sem o que mais preciso... o recurso que mostra as redes sem fio ao alcance
do meu laptop.

Vocês já se deparam com esta situação no Debian Lenny?

Abraço,

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Som no Acer Aspire 5050

2009-04-20 Thread Guilherme Gattino
Bom dia Cristina.
Eu tenho um Acer 5050 também e eu passei pelo mesmo problema.
Para resolver isto basta ativar, nas propriedades de som, o surround e
habilitar master, que deve estar sem volume.

Qualquer dúvida, me retorne.

2009/4/18 Eduardo Bastos elbas...@gmail.com

 Oi Cristina,

 Me mande em off, o resultado dos comandos:

 $ sudo dmesg
 $ sudo lsmod

 Vamos ver se eu consigo te ajudar a resolver esse problema. Eu passei por um
 problema semelhante com um Acer Aspire 3650 e acho que posso ajudar. Se
 conseguirmos, talvez possamos desenvolver um manual de como fazer. Perdi
 muito tempo com isso e não achei que o som pudesse ter tantos problemas no
 Ubuntu.

 Obrigado,

 Eduardo Bastos


 2009/4/18 Cristina Fernandes Silva cristinafs.lis...@gmail.com

  Galera,
 
  Estou com um notebook da marca acer modeo aspire 5050. Instalei a nova
  versão
  do ubuntu 9.04 amd64 e tambem eu instalei a versão i386.
  Ele reconheceu todos os dispositivos menos o som. Só que apresenta o gnome
  icone do som, porem ao testar não sai pelas caixas nenhum som.
 
  Alguem sabe como eu resolvo este problema.
 
 
  Obrigada
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] PostFix + MYSQL + SASL

2009-04-20 Thread Tiago Dib
Marcelo você instalou os pacotes via apt? Pois pelo log ele esta dizendo
que a engine do mysql não é suportada. Com este erro ele gera o erro ao
carregar também o sasl.

Eu tentaria rever a instalação dos pacotes, algo ficou faltando.

Abraços

Tiago Dib.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado dojulgamento doThe Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Anderson Fraga
Acontece que a indústria fonográfica quer simplesmente empurrar /guela 
abaixo/ esses preços abusivos.
Isso é uma espécie de obsessão, falta de visão da indústria, na minha 
opinião.
E, assim, ficamos a mercê disso tudo. Obtendo conteúdo /ilegal/ ao invés de 
fazer 'um bem' a eles.

Sds,
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:36 PM
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Pirate Bay


Em Sex, 2009-04-17 às 17:29 -0300, Anderson Fraga escreveu:
 Acontece que é complicado comprar um cd por R$ 30~40, não acha?
 Para acabar com a pirataria, não basta o consumidor fazer algo, as
 gravadoras PRECISAM diminuir valores, achar alternativas (iTunes é um
 exemplo)...

Lei da oferta e procura, se está caro não compre. A ação do povo em
relação ao consumo é que determina os preços do mercado.
Sou um consumidor normal como todos, mas sem neuras de ficar correndo
vários mercados para procurar o melhor preço. Se um produto estiver
acima do que julgo que vale, simplesmente não o compro ou substituo por
outro similar que esteja com valor mais coerente e qualidade similar.

Toda indústria seja qual for, tem por finalidade principal gerar lucros
e incentivar o consumo. Produtos parados nas prateleiras são prejuízo
para todos os envolvidos exceto para o consumidor. É melhor para eles
zerar a conta a ter prejuízo, logo, reduzirão os preços até concluir a
consumação dos produtos encalhados.

Nas bancas das grandes lojas, supermercados e locadoras encontram-se
habitualmente CDs e DVDs que encalharam a 5 ou 10 pratas. Se estancarmos
essa febre de correr para comprar lançamentos, tudo deixa de ser
lançamento e passa a ser normal, com preços razoáveis e mais justos.


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] PostFix + MYSQL + SASL

2009-04-20 Thread Supermar / Marcelo Garcia
Ola Tiago,

Obrigado pelo retorno. Sim instalei via pacote. Ja revi as instalacoes, nao 
parece estar faltando nada. Achei um cara na net q tinha um pacth pra 
aplicar e resolver o problema do cyrus, mas este link estava quebrado...

Marcelo
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Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] PostFix + MYSQL + SASL


Marcelo você instalou os pacotes via apt? Pois pelo log ele esta dizendo
que a engine do mysql não é suportada. Com este erro ele gera o erro ao
carregar também o sasl.

Eu tentaria rever a instalação dos pacotes, algo ficou faltando.

Abraços

Tiago Dib.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado dojulgamento doThe Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Salles
Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 08:43 -0300, Anderson Fraga escreveu:
 Acontece que a indústria fonográfica quer simplesmente empurrar /guela 
 abaixo/ esses preços abusivos.
 Isso é uma espécie de obsessão, falta de visão da indústria, na minha 
 opinião.
 E, assim, ficamos a mercê disso tudo. Obtendo conteúdo /ilegal/ ao invés de 
 fazer 'um bem' a eles.

Como eu disse anteriormente é na base da lei de oferta e procura, quando
muito monopólio. Isto ocorre em vários segmentos da indústria, comércio
e serviços, a fonografica e a de software não são diferentes.
Hoje se visa retorno de investimentos a curto prazo porque tudo corre
e se desatualiza e resta pouco espaço para os empreendimentos de longo
prazo. Isso gera preços abusivos para cobrir o investimento inicial e
gerar lucros na primeira investida no mercado, não há interesse em
realizar isto em curtas etapas, digamos, razoáveis.
Se houver uma retração por parte dos consumidores, haverá um prejuizo
significativo inicial e tudo terá que ser reavaliado, da produção ao
custo final dos produtos.
Basta pararmos de correr em busca de lançamentos, novidades, supérfluos
e nos determos frente à mídia que os promove. 
Nós, os consumidores, somos os principais responsáveis pelos preços
abusivos e pela má qualidade dos produtos que adquirimos, simplesmente
porque os queremos só para estarmos atualizados, à frente de outros ou
mesmo por exibicionismo.
Um exemplo clássico são justamente essas indústrias... Vão lançar o
300 e fica uma fila nas locadoras para pagar de 8 a 15 pratas por uma
locação de lançamento que em apenas um mês estará a 4 pratas por não ser
mais um lançamento. Pior, cata camelôs para comprar um pirata só para
dizer aos visinhos: Eu ví antes de sair nas lojas ou locadoras 
Agora me diz sinceramente: Quem está incentivando isso?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Network Manager Debian

2009-04-20 Thread Xisberto
2009/4/20 Alex Martins alex...@gmail.com

 Bom dia! Amigos,

 Estou fazendo testes com o Debian Lenny (Versão 5) porém senti falta do
 applet Network Manager - Redes ao lado do relógio da barra superior do
 Gnome.
 Lendo em alguns tutoriais (
 http://www.gdhpress.com.br/blog/mais-dicas-lenny/)
 é dito que este mecanismo foi retirando desta versão, até aí tudo bem.
 Consigo encontrar o Network Manager no menu Sistema/Administração/Rede
 porém
 sem o que mais preciso... o recurso que mostra as redes sem fio ao alcance
 do meu laptop.

 Vocês já se deparam com esta situação no Debian Lenny?


Você já perguntou isso para a lista do Debian?



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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Network Manager Debian

2009-04-20 Thread Zandre Bran
2009/4/20 Alex Martins alex...@gmail.com:
 Bom dia! Amigos,

Ôlas Martins.

 Estou fazendo testes com o Debian Lenny (Versão 5) porém senti falta do
 applet Network Manager - Redes ao lado do relógio da barra superior do
 Gnome.
 Lendo em alguns tutoriais (http://www.gdhpress.com.br/blog/mais-dicas-lenny/)
 é dito que este mecanismo foi retirando desta versão, até aí tudo bem.

E qual o problema de instalar o network-manager?

 Consigo encontrar o Network Manager no menu Sistema/Administração/Rede porém
 sem o que mais preciso... o recurso que mostra as redes sem fio ao alcance
 do meu laptop.

 Vocês já se deparam com esta situação no Debian Lenny?

Não porque usamos ubuntu aqui, um off no tópico cairia bem, né? Ou
talvez o melhor lugar para falar de debian seja a lista:

debian-user-portugu...@lists.debian.org

 Abraço,
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Som no Acer Aspire 5050

2009-04-20 Thread Cristina Fernandes Silva
Fiz e não deu certo. habilitei o surround e cliquei
em master..

e continua sem o som.



2009/4/20 Guilherme Gattino ggatt...@gmail.com:
 Bom dia Cristina.
 Eu tenho um Acer 5050 também e eu passei pelo mesmo problema.
 Para resolver isto basta ativar, nas propriedades de som, o surround e
 habilitar master, que deve estar sem volume.

 Qualquer dúvida, me retorne.

 2009/4/18 Eduardo Bastos elbas...@gmail.com

 Oi Cristina,

 Me mande em off, o resultado dos comandos:

 $ sudo dmesg
 $ sudo lsmod

 Vamos ver se eu consigo te ajudar a resolver esse problema. Eu passei por um
 problema semelhante com um Acer Aspire 3650 e acho que posso ajudar. Se
 conseguirmos, talvez possamos desenvolver um manual de como fazer. Perdi
 muito tempo com isso e não achei que o som pudesse ter tantos problemas no
 Ubuntu.

 Obrigado,

 Eduardo Bastos


 2009/4/18 Cristina Fernandes Silva cristinafs.lis...@gmail.com

  Galera,
 
  Estou com um notebook da marca acer modeo aspire 5050. Instalei a nova
  versão
  do ubuntu 9.04 amd64 e tambem eu instalei a versão i386.
  Ele reconheceu todos os dispositivos menos o som. Só que apresenta o gnome
  icone do som, porem ao testar não sai pelas caixas nenhum som.
 
  Alguem sabe como eu resolvo este problema.
 
 
  Obrigada
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Som no Acer Aspire 5050

2009-04-20 Thread Guilherme Gattino
Qual o driver que está habilitado?

2009/4/20 Cristina Fernandes Silva cristinafs.lis...@gmail.com:
 Fiz e não deu certo. habilitei o surround e cliquei
 em master..

 e continua sem o som.



 2009/4/20 Guilherme Gattino ggatt...@gmail.com:
 Bom dia Cristina.
 Eu tenho um Acer 5050 também e eu passei pelo mesmo problema.
 Para resolver isto basta ativar, nas propriedades de som, o surround e
 habilitar master, que deve estar sem volume.

 Qualquer dúvida, me retorne.

 2009/4/18 Eduardo Bastos elbas...@gmail.com

 Oi Cristina,

 Me mande em off, o resultado dos comandos:

 $ sudo dmesg
 $ sudo lsmod

 Vamos ver se eu consigo te ajudar a resolver esse problema. Eu passei por um
 problema semelhante com um Acer Aspire 3650 e acho que posso ajudar. Se
 conseguirmos, talvez possamos desenvolver um manual de como fazer. Perdi
 muito tempo com isso e não achei que o som pudesse ter tantos problemas no
 Ubuntu.

 Obrigado,

 Eduardo Bastos


 2009/4/18 Cristina Fernandes Silva cristinafs.lis...@gmail.com

  Galera,
 
  Estou com um notebook da marca acer modeo aspire 5050. Instalei a nova
  versão
  do ubuntu 9.04 amd64 e tambem eu instalei a versão i386.
  Ele reconheceu todos os dispositivos menos o som. Só que apresenta o gnome
  icone do som, porem ao testar não sai pelas caixas nenhum som.
 
  Alguem sabe como eu resolvo este problema.
 
 
  Obrigada
 
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[Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread Leonardo Ribeiro
Pessoal,
Tem alguns programas no Ubuntu que não é possivel desinstalar pelo
Adicionar/Remover... como por exemplo o Evolution e outros programas
gnome.
Existe alguma forma de desinstalar esses programas?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread Xisberto
2009/4/20 Leonardo Ribeiro leojribe...@gmail.com

 Pessoal,
 Tem alguns programas no Ubuntu que não é possivel desinstalar pelo
 Adicionar/Remover... como por exemplo o Evolution e outros programas
 gnome.
 Existe alguma forma de desinstalar esses programas?


Leonardo,

o Adicionar/Remover mostra opções limitadas. Para maior controle dos
programas instalados, use o Synaptic, que fica em Sistema  Administração 
Gerenciador de Pacotes.



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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread Salles
Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 10:30 -0300, Leonardo Ribeiro escreveu:
 Pessoal,
 Tem alguns programas no Ubuntu que não é possivel desinstalar pelo
 Adicionar/Remover... como por exemplo o Evolution e outros programas
 gnome.
 Existe alguma forma de desinstalar esses programas?

Sistema  Administração  Gerenciador de pacotes Synaptic.
Busque evolution e marque remoção completa.
Repita a operação com os outros programas que deseja.

Provavelmente a remoção completa irá informar que outros pacotes serão
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado do julgamento do The Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Magrini
2009/4/18 Lucas Salies Brum sistemat...@gmail.com

 IMHO
 Enquanto as gravadoras cobrarem 40 reais por um CD e a Microsoft cobrar
 400 reais pelo Windows XP Professional, pode ter certeza que a pirataria
 não vai acabar.


pode cobrar 10 reais pelo Cd e 50 pelo Windows... a pirataria não vai acabar
do mesmo jeito. Essa de preço é desculpa. A idéia de ser mais esperto que
os outros está no sangue do brasileiro, não importa o preço se ele pode
roubar de forma fácil ele vai fazer..
OBS: estou generalizando claro.


 A humanidade é guiada pelo dinheiro, ninguem quer pagar 10 ou 20 em algo
 que ele pode baixar de graça.


Comprovado o que acabei de falar. O pior é achar que a frase acima está
CERTA!!


 O que podemos fazer é incentivar as grandes multinacionais e governos
 cobrem preços justos por qualquer tipo de material e impostos.


Quem disse que é injusto? Você já criou uma música? E 12?? Já tentou gravar
em estúdio? Tem idéia da dificuldade? Em que você trabalha? Coloque aqui pra
gente o seu emprego e o preço de algo que você vende/produz seja produto ou
serviço...



 O camelô que vende DVD pirata está apenas tentando ganhar a vida, de
 forma ilegal, mas está trabalhando.


Não esqueça disso quando assaltarem tua casa ou carro. Afinal de contas o
bandido faz de forma ilegal, mas está trabalhando oras, não está em casa
assistindo TV. Pensa que é fácil arrobar um carro ou casa?


 O desemprego e falta de uma educação de qualidade em nosso país que
 gerou ele.


Não esqueça disso também na hora da ocorrência policial hein.



 O Brasil e o mundo está doente, e os culpados somos nós, a pirataria
 digital é só um sintoma de uma coisa que é bem maior, e que todos fingem
 não ver.


Eu não me sinto culpado. Faço minha parte.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado dojulgamento doThe Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Magrini
2009/4/20 Salles salles@gmail.com

 Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 08:43 -0300, Anderson Fraga escreveu:
 Basta pararmos de correr em busca de lançamentos, novidades, supérfluos
 e nos determos frente à mídia que os promove.
 Nós, os consumidores, somos os principais responsáveis pelos preços
 abusivos e pela má qualidade dos produtos que adquirimos, simplesmente
 porque os queremos só para estarmos atualizados, à frente de outros ou
 mesmo por exibicionismo.
 Um exemplo clássico são justamente essas indústrias... Vão lançar o
 300 e fica uma fila nas locadoras para pagar de 8 a 15 pratas por uma
 locação de lançamento que em apenas um mês estará a 4 pratas por não ser
 mais um lançamento. Pior, cata camelôs para comprar um pirata só para
 dizer aos visinhos: Eu ví antes de sair nas lojas ou locadoras
 Agora me diz sinceramente: Quem está incentivando isso?


P-E-R-F-E-I-T-O !!! Concordo plenamente !!!

OBS: viZinho.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Som no Acer Aspire 5050

2009-04-20 Thread Cristina Fernandes Silva
 Qual o driver que está habilitado?


Guilherme.. se o entendi.. esta habilitado

Capture: HDA ATI SB - ALC883 Analog.

O mesmo como falei é reconhecido pelo ubuntu, e tanto que aparece o
icone do som.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread Zandre Bran
2009/4/20 Leonardo Ribeiro leojribe...@gmail.com:
 Pessoal,

Ôlas Ribeiro.

 Tem alguns programas no Ubuntu que não é possivel desinstalar pelo
 Adicionar/Remover... como por exemplo o Evolution e outros programas
 gnome.

Quem disse?

 Existe alguma forma de desinstalar esses programas?

Sim, da mesma forma que você adiciona, pelo Synaptic. Mas enfim,
procure por evolution e sai marcando desinstalação completa de tudo
que comece com evolution. MAS não marque o pacote
evolution-data-server-common, pq que cargas dágua ele é integrado com
o Gnome, como por exemplo a opção Sobre mim do menu Preferências ;)

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Network Manager Debian

2009-04-20 Thread Alex Martins
Obrigado.

2009/4/20 Zandre Bran zandreb...@gmail.com

 2009/4/20 Alex Martins alex...@gmail.com:
  Bom dia! Amigos,

 Ôlas Martins.

  Estou fazendo testes com o Debian Lenny (Versão 5) porém senti falta do
  applet Network Manager - Redes ao lado do relógio da barra superior do
  Gnome.
  Lendo em alguns tutoriais (
 http://www.gdhpress.com.br/blog/mais-dicas-lenny/)
  é dito que este mecanismo foi retirando desta versão, até aí tudo bem.

 E qual o problema de instalar o network-manager?

  Consigo encontrar o Network Manager no menu Sistema/Administração/Rede
 porém
  sem o que mais preciso... o recurso que mostra as redes sem fio ao
 alcance
  do meu laptop.
 
  Vocês já se deparam com esta situação no Debian Lenny?

 Não porque usamos ubuntu aqui, um off no tópico cairia bem, né? Ou
 talvez o melhor lugar para falar de debian seja a lista:

 debian-user-portugu...@lists.debian.org

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread Leonardo Ribeiro
Ok valeu pessoal

2009/4/20 Zandre Bran zandreb...@gmail.com

 2009/4/20 Leonardo Ribeiro leojribe...@gmail.com:
  Pessoal,

 Ôlas Ribeiro.

  Tem alguns programas no Ubuntu que não é possivel desinstalar pelo
  Adicionar/Remover... como por exemplo o Evolution e outros programas
  gnome.

 Quem disse?

  Existe alguma forma de desinstalar esses programas?

 Sim, da mesma forma que você adiciona, pelo Synaptic. Mas enfim,
 procure por evolution e sai marcando desinstalação completa de tudo
 que comece com evolution. MAS não marque o pacote
 evolution-data-server-common, pq que cargas dágua ele é integrado com
 o Gnome, como por exemplo a opção Sobre mim do menu Preferências ;)

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread Henrique Fagundes
Amigo,

Para remover o Evolution de maneira simples, rápida e prática faça o 
seguinte:

Abra o console e digite o seguinte comando:
$ sudo aptitude -y purge evolution

Atenciosamente,

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Off topic -A espetacularização do combate à pirataria

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Magrini
2009/4/19 Fa fco...@uol.com.br


 Oi

 A espetacularização do combate à pirataria

 Confesso que estava torcendo para que o processo movido contra o
 The Pirate Bay
 http://thepiratebay.org/
 fosse um tiro na água, a industria de intermediação cultural precisava
 encontrar um freio, mas infelizmente a justiça Sueca considerou os donos
 do site culpados.


Puxa que bom. Ao menos tem um país se preocupando e respeitando o trabalho
das pessoas vivem nele. E muito bom quando a justiça coloca em prática toda
a bela teoria da lei. Infelizmente ainda são poucos os que são punidos, mas
eu acredito que muito em breve mais e mais práticas de roubos, furtos,
pirataria como dizem os que querem amenizar o real significado dessa
prática, e outros serão igualmente punidos.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado dojulgamento doThe Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Salles
Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 10:56 -0300, Danilo Magrini escreveu:
 dizer aos visinhos: Eu ví antes de sair nas lojas ou locadoras

 OBS: viZinho.

Hahá... encontraste um erro de português, hehehehe...
Acredite, digitei z mas o corretor do evolution reclamou, coloquei o s e
voilá... liberou. Que coisa, preciso crer mais no meu instinto :)

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Confirmado: Linux trará a destrui ção da Humanidade

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Magrini
2009/4/18 Fa fco...@uol.com.br

 Isso MESMO, um livro de LINUX! É fácil concluir que o Dr Graystone usou
 LINUX para projetar os cilônios, aquelas terrivelmente eficientes
 máquinas de matar, que em anos de série nunca pararam nem para um reboot.

 Nota: Uma observação aguçada irá identificar uma caixa do Microsoft
 Windows no canto superir da estante. Faz todo o sentido do mundo, afinal
 o Dr Graystone precisava de um sistema operacional adequado para
 projetar a Rede de Defesa Global e todos os firewalls e antivirus das
 Colônias...



K que dedução idiota. Ainda diz que é fácil
concluir uhauhauha. Obviamente que esse post é uma brincadeira, mas minha
pergunta é se tem os dois livros na estante porque não é tão fácil concluir
o inverso? Usou Windows para criar os cilônios.. sendo assim o anti-cristo
seria o Bill Gates e todo aquele e-mail sobre o Bill ser a besta do
apocalipse automaticamente se tornaria fato! Nossa que medo... pensando bem
a besta agora é Steve Ballmer (
http://www.microsoft.com/brasil/pr/ballmer.htm) isso faz com que o mal já
esteja tentando imitar o bem até na trindade =)... falta um para completar
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado dojulgamento doThe Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Magrini
2009/4/20 Salles salles@gmail.com

 Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 10:56 -0300, Danilo Magrini escreveu:
  dizer aos visinhos: Eu ví antes de sair nas lojas ou locadoras

  OBS: viZinho.

 Hahá... encontraste um erro de português, hehehehe...
 Acredite, digitei z mas o corretor do evolution reclamou, coloquei o s e
 voilá... liberou. Que coisa, preciso crer mais no meu instinto :)


Acredito! =)

A propósito, se possível, me ajude a falar sobre esse mesmo tema da thread
em: http://www.ubuntudicas.com.br/?p=885

hehehehehe, brincadeira, mas da uma lida lá só pra ver os absurdos que a
gente vê por aí. A feche os olhos para os erros de português do
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Confirmado: Linux trará a destrui ção da Humanidade

2009-04-20 Thread Salles
Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 11:51 -0300, Danilo Magrini escreveu:
 K que dedução idiota. Ainda diz que é fácil
 concluir uhauhauha. Obviamente que esse post é uma brincadeira, mas minha
 pergunta é se tem os dois livros na estante porque não é tão fácil concluir
 o inverso? Usou Windows para criar os cilônios.. sendo assim o anti-cristo
 seria o Bill Gates e todo aquele e-mail sobre o Bill ser a besta do
 apocalipse automaticamente se tornaria fato! Nossa que medo... pensando bem
 a besta agora é Steve Ballmer (
 http://www.microsoft.com/brasil/pr/ballmer.htm) isso faz com que o mal já
 esteja tentando imitar o bem até na trindade =)... falta um para completar
 quem será?

Kk só espero que não empurrem essa responsa para um
Ubuntu Bad Boy :b
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF TOPIC] Saiu o resultado dojulgamento doThe Pirate Bay

2009-04-20 Thread Salles
Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 12:01 -0300, Danilo Magrini escreveu:
 2009/4/20 Salles salles@gmail.com
  Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 10:56 -0300, Danilo Magrini escreveu:
   dizer aos visinhos: Eu ví antes de sair nas lojas ou locadoras

   OBS: viZinho.

  Hahá... encontraste um erro de português, hehehehe...
  Acredite, digitei z mas o corretor do evolution reclamou, coloquei o s e
  voilá... liberou. Que coisa, preciso crer mais no meu instinto :)

 Acredito! =)
 
 A propósito, se possível, me ajude a falar sobre esse mesmo tema da thread
 em: http://www.ubuntudicas.com.br/?p=885
 hehehehehe, brincadeira, mas da uma lida lá só pra ver os absurdos que a
 gente vê por aí. A feche os olhos para os erros de português do
 pessoal... inclusive dos meus huauhauhuh

Não considero isso um bug, mas não entendo algumas correções que ocorrem
na digitação: Uma falta de acento é apontada mas tem certas palavras que
simplesmente não são aceitas, mesmo corretas.
Mas tá tudo bão, botamos as taubas nu lugar e acim açertamos o giló na
frijidera, vamuquivamu :)

Danilo, entro no thread amanhã para ver, hoje meu tempo acabou por aqui.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Desinstalar Evolution

2009-04-20 Thread LMLINUX
para desinstalar programas eu uso o seguinte comando

#apt-get remove --purge aqui vai o nome do programa

para o evolution fica assim:

#apt-get remove --purge evolution

espero que ajude.

2009/4/20 Leonardo Ribeiro leojribe...@gmail.com

 Ok valeu pessoal

 2009/4/20 Zandre Bran zandreb...@gmail.com

  2009/4/20 Leonardo Ribeiro leojribe...@gmail.com:
   Pessoal,
 
  Ôlas Ribeiro.
 
   Tem alguns programas no Ubuntu que não é possivel desinstalar pelo
   Adicionar/Remover... como por exemplo o Evolution e outros programas
   gnome.
 
  Quem disse?
 
   Existe alguma forma de desinstalar esses programas?
 
  Sim, da mesma forma que você adiciona, pelo Synaptic. Mas enfim,
  procure por evolution e sai marcando desinstalação completa de tudo
  que comece com evolution. MAS não marque o pacote
  evolution-data-server-common, pq que cargas dágua ele é integrado com
  o Gnome, como por exemplo a opção Sobre mim do menu Preferências ;)
 
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[Ubuntu-BR] Petição para abaixar assinatura te lefonica

2009-04-20 Thread Luciana LCNRJ
Veja o que encontrei no site Abusar.org, um link para essa petição. 
Duvido que funcione mas vamos lá. Não vao poder dizer que não funcionou 
por minha causa...

http://www.proteste.org.br/map/show/168886/src/477091.htm
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Petição para abaixar assinatura te lefonica

2009-04-20 Thread Alex Martins
Não custa tentar, mais uma assinatura para o abaixo assinado.

2009/4/20 Luciana LCNRJ lc...@yahoo.com.br

 Veja o que encontrei no site Abusar.org, um link para essa petição.
 Duvido que funcione mas vamos lá. Não vao poder dizer que não funcionou
 por minha causa...

 http://www.proteste.org.br/map/show/168886/src/477091.htm
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  *Tutorial Multimédia para o Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron:
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  *ubuntued
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  *Linux for Travelers
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  *UserDocumentation
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Petição para abaixar assinatura te lefonica

2009-04-20 Thread Jonh Wendell
Totalmente off-topic, não repita por favor.

Em Seg, 2009-04-20 às 13:34 -0300, Luciana LCNRJ escreveu:
 Veja o que encontrei no site Abusar.org, um link para essa petição. 
 Duvido que funcione mas vamos lá. Não vao poder dizer que não funcionou 
 por minha causa...
 
 http://www.proteste.org.br/map/show/168886/src/477091.htm
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  *Tutorial Multimédia para o Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron:
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  *ubuntued
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 http://planeta-ulb.net/wiki/index.php/Guia_para_iniciantes   
  *Linux for Travelers
 http://www.linuxfortravelers.com/ubuntu-live-cd-guide
  *UserDocumentation
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  Eu mesma. Hahaha
 
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[Ubuntu-BR] atualizaçao para a versao 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Marcelo Hudson
 Ola a todos, gostaria que me ajudassem pois estava usando a versão 7.10 sem
problema nenhum,

Porém como já faz tempo que a versão 8.04 foi disponibilizada, resolvi então
atualizar meu sistema,

Só que pra minha decepção agora qdo inicia, logo no grub qdo escolho a opção
de sistema opera que

Eu quero ele apresenta erro e não inicia.Gostaria que alguém se já passou
por isso pudesse me dar uma

Ajuda pois sou apenas usuário e não conheço o Linux a fundo, desde já
agradeço.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] atualizaçao para a versao 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Xisberto
2009/4/20 Marcelo Hudson marcelovallejo...@yahoo.com.br

  Ola a todos, gostaria que me ajudassem pois estava usando a versão 7.10
 sem
 problema nenhum,

 Porém como já faz tempo que a versão 8.04 foi disponibilizada, resolvi
 então
 atualizar meu sistema,

 Só que pra minha decepção agora qdo inicia, logo no grub qdo escolho a
 opção
 de sistema opera que

 Eu quero ele apresenta erro e não inicia.Gostaria que alguém se já passou
 por isso pudesse me dar uma

 Ajuda pois sou apenas usuário e não conheço o Linux a fundo, desde já
 agradeço.


Que erro apresenta? Pode anotar e digitar aqui pra gente? Se você não diz
qual é o erro, a gente não pode dizer uma solução.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] atualizaçao para a versao 8.04

2009-04-20 Thread Marcos Filipe Lino
2009/4/21 Marcelo Hudson marcelovallejo...@yahoo.com.br

  Ola a todos, gostaria que me ajudassem pois estava usando a versão 7.10
 sem
 problema nenhum,

 Porém como já faz tempo que a versão 8.04 foi disponibilizada, resolvi
 então
 atualizar meu sistema,

 Só que pra minha decepção agora qdo inicia, logo no grub qdo escolho a
 opção
 de sistema opera que

 Eu quero ele apresenta erro e não inicia.Gostaria que alguém se já passou
 por isso pudesse me dar uma

 Ajuda pois sou apenas usuário e não conheço o Linux a fundo, desde já
 agradeço.

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se encontra no /boot/grub/menu.lst, mas para poder te ajudar melhor seria
necessario que vc postasse aqui seu arquivo do menu.lst

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Petição para abaixar assinatura te lefonica

2009-04-20 Thread Andre Cavalcante
Eu vou assinar também, mas não custava colocar OFF TOPIC no assunto, não?

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[Ubuntu-BR] codeblock + opengl

2009-04-20 Thread Thiago Silveira Alexandre
Senhores, tive vasculhando a internet procurando um tutorial ou dica para
programar em C++ com opengl no codeblocks, mas ainda nao encontrei algo que
me ajudasse. Se alguém tiver um site ou material posta ae por favor.
obrigado

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Nenhum vídeo roda no 9.04 64 bits (placa intel)

2009-04-20 Thread gil
João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos wrote:
 Olá pessoal!

 Estou com problemas ao tocar vídeos na minha instalação do Jaunty (9.04).

 Já tentei rodar no totem, mplayer, vlc, kaffeine e no miro arquivos do tipo
 avi, mpeg, flv, mvb, rm. Em todos os tipos, o programa ou fecha, ou fica
 executando, saindo o som, rolando a legenda, mas sem imagem (fica td preto).
 Meu sistema está td atualizado.

 Creio que o problema seja o conjunto ubuntu 64 bits + placa intel.

 Se alguém estiver com o mesmo problema, tem uma solução temporária. Segui a
 dica mostrada aqui [1]: abri o gstreamer-properties, aba Vídeo e mudei o
 plugin da saída padrão para X Window System (sem Xv).
 Mas mesmo assim, só o totem que está abrindo os vídeos. O resto continua na
 mesma.

 [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1128734

 Alguém mais com amd64 + placa intel está tendo esse problema? Alguém com
 essa configuração não está?

 Veja mais no seguinte bug:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/354688

   
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes/pt_BR
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[Ubuntu-BR] VMware Converter

2009-04-20 Thread Anderson A. Wehmuth
Pessoal,

Alguém já utilizou o VMware Converter para transformar uma maquina física em
maquina virtual para o VMware Server 2?
Mais precisamente eu precisaria da instalação do VMware Converter 3 para
Linux.
Eu encontro no site da VMWARE somente a versão 4 do converter, que é para
outro produto pago deles.

Abraços.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] VMware Converter

2009-04-20 Thread Fábio Rabelo
Boa tarde ...
Eu tentei algo assim a cerca de um ano atrás ...

Não me lembro exatamente qual a versão que eu usei, o que eu sei é que não
funcionou, a VM criada não dava boot .

Fábio Rabelo


2009/4/20 Anderson A. Wehmuth lis...@wtek.com.br

 Pessoal,

 Alguém já utilizou o VMware Converter para transformar uma maquina física
 em
 maquina virtual para o VMware Server 2?
 Mais precisamente eu precisaria da instalação do VMware Converter 3 para
 Linux.
 Eu encontro no site da VMWARE somente a versão 4 do converter, que é para
 outro produto pago deles.

 Abraços.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Network Manager Debian

2009-04-20 Thread gil
Xisberto wrote:
 Você já perguntou isso para a lista do Debian?


   

Acho vc e outros aqui bem estúpidos, grossos. Afinal o Ubuntu deriva do 
Debian e a pergunta não é assim tão impertinente. Mas aí li o seu blog e 
entendi o porquê. Mas vê se manera, afinal vc não lida com cachorros aqui.
Grande abraço!
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[Ubuntu-BR] dúvida sobre vpn

2009-04-20 Thread Erasmo José Pereira de Oliveira
Galera a empresa que fornece internet aqui pra minha cidade trabalha com vpn
...
só q um amigo me falou que a VPN deixa minha máquina completamente
vulnerável, pois cria uma rede direta entre minha máquina e o servidor da
empresa... nem entendi bem o q ele disse
mas ai vai a pergunta o q ele disse tem fundamento? posso estar
comprometendo a segurança de minhas informações pessoais ao usar a internet
via VPN?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] dúvida sobre vpn

2009-04-20 Thread Andre Cavalcante
Vamos lá...

2009/4/20 Erasmo José Pereira de Oliveira erasmo...@gmail.com:
 Galera a empresa que fornece internet aqui pra minha cidade trabalha com vpn
 ...
 só q um amigo me falou que a VPN deixa minha máquina completamente
 vulnerável, pois cria uma rede direta entre minha máquina e o servidor da
 empresa... nem entendi bem o q ele disse
 mas ai vai a pergunta o q ele disse tem fundamento? posso estar
 comprometendo a segurança de minhas informações pessoais ao usar a internet
 via VPN?

Se faz uma ligação direta entre a sua máquina e o servidor da empresa,
não estará diretamente na Internet, certo? Como isso pode diminuir a
segurança? Pensando um pouco isso deve aumentar a segurança, certo?
Mas não é bem assim, se os protocolos usados não forem criptografados,
você estará tão vulnerável como qualquer um conectado à Internet mas,
em geral, tanto no Linux quanto no Windows, os protocolos são
criptografados e a conexão é então tunelada (p.ex. ssh) e os dados
trocados são então seguros. Mas o único motivo de usar VPN é fazer
acesso direto a um servidor de aplicação, para navegar não tem
sentido, porque aí a VPN servirá apenas de proxy, e a segurança estará
somente até o proxy e depois nada mais.

Para começar: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/VPN

Em inglês tá melhor, mas em pt dá pra começar...

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