Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Intrepid 8.10 Kubuntu - disaster
2008/11/9 Ian Pascoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think we've actually got three different types of user to accommodate. Those who will upgrade pre release, those who will upgrade at the release date, and those who will upgrade a period of time into the release. The first type are normally done by those who have a bit of savvy in dealing with the breakages and bugs that appear as part of the pre release cycle - techies if you will. The release day people are those who like to be at the leading edge, but either don't have the time, or maybe the inclination to go into the apps to sort out problems, and have a moderate expectation of it just working from the release. The last group of upgraders are those who want to have the latest release, but don't want the hassles with the release day problems. It is this last group of people that I don't think are well catered for at the moment in new CD images - non LTS releases of course. Yes I'm aware that of course by upgradeing you will get all the packages that will address the release day bugs, but this download can be quite large and time consuming. Perhaps what should be suggested is a re-base of the CD image some 3 - 4 weeks into a cycle to mop up all the fixes and squashed bugs that have become apparent since release? This would then give us a better platform to give to whomever, and we'd be safer in the knowledge that it'd just work - well better than some of the experiences described here earlier. I haven't looked at Brainstorm yet to see if this is floating about there already. Would anyone else like to comment on the thought of such a post release update and the expectations as to what it should actually contain? Ian Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Sutton Sent: 08 November 2008 17:56 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Intrepid 8.10 Kubuntu - disaster gav wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:41:08PM +, Bruce Beardall wrote: I think you raise some important concerns, Alan. As a Gnome user, I can't really say I've had much recent experience beyond a cursory glance at KDE 4 but I think this leads to an interesting question: If we're to advocate Linux [and as far as this list is concerned, Ubuntu] should we be concentrating our advocacy on the LTS release? It's all too easy for anyone on this list to get carried away with the latest and greatest but the vast majority of those we're trying to introduce Linux to are used to the years between each Windows release. Should we be concentrating on introducing them to a release which is intended to be around for a number of years and expected to have a certain level of stability and accessibility? As the last couple of releases have had a bumpy start I've been putting LTS versions, currently 8.04.1 Ubuntu on new installs for people recently. I think I'll stick with the 8.04.1 Ubuntu disc for a while yet. This does ask the question of why the latest releases have had a bumpy start, is the new features cut off coming too late? is it not being tested on a wide enough variety of hardware? Or is it something else? Everything seems to be patched quite quickly and a .1 release seems to follow shortly that solves most of the release day problems. Should we be advising people to wait a week, or even a month before upgrading to a new version of Ubuntu? I thought this was a matter of course for most operating systems, wait a while, see if there any major issues then upgrade, of course if everyone did that we would not identify issues, perhaps also as advocates we should install out selves and be able to fix issues before giving copies away to users to just want it to work and not worry about fixing stuff that much. its a difficult one to call but it looks far better on us if we are told by a user of a problem and we know how to fix it quickly, rathar than having to explain why a simple thing like disc eject is not working properly. perhaps once a few issues are fixed the cd image (iso file) should be updated with these fixes, so 8.10.1 8.10.2 etc, each month, until 9.04 is released, this would sound more logical, as that way it would not just be fixes but updates too, and once installed it won't be taking as long to download the updates to fix issues, the software cd will never then be more than 1 or 2 months out of date, where as 8.10 in march will be about 5 months out of date and still carry know issues from when it was pressed. I would also guess that 8.10.5/6 would have certain bits in there that will make any transition to 9.04 much easier,. just my thoughts really. I will send off for some 8.10 cd. Paul Paul I'm one of the older (76) people who just want a quiet life. It's often a simple and easy path for beginners that we want. Just a simple operating system - this is why I'm in mac-mini/Ubuntu and open
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch
On 21/12/2007, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 70+ was because I know very few people older than 70 who will go near a computer, and that is past normal retirement age (~65) I help a neighbour who is 80 - and there will be more of them soon :-) For the other categories 20 years is an enormous jump in age but I accept you can't change it easily. Still it's a bit of fun - it was nice of you to do it Agreed, it is a bit of fun with a little, serious edge to it. My brother is a regular user and still does a bit of programming (approaching 73 years). I've given up programming but still enjoy pottering around with both software and hardware (approaching 80 years). Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I'm 75 and programmed in fortran2 in 1971. Ubuntu is ok except that my memory is gone and I cannot remember procedures. But I find that for simple things, Ubuntu is straight forward and is ok for my guesses. Most of us just want googel and OOo and this should be the main promotional point - keep it simple and reliable. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading
On 08/11/2007, London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/11/2007, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spaces shouldn't matter... When you say nothing happened what do you mean? If it returned to the prompt that is not necessarily a bad sign... it has probably worked... Sean I typed, nothing happened...the typing is there and that's all. So I closed the terminal window, tried to open update manager- nothing happens synaptic packages...shows the same error message. If I was to back up all my files, would it be an idea to reinstall with Gutsy instead of attempting the update- the partial updates perhaps have caused this problem. I have now changed the computer to Never- shutting down in inactive. Caroline I was foolishly tempted by its notice to upgrade from Fawn to Gibbon and soon (about 2 hours later) got out of my depth and have had someone (costing) else to sort me out, putting Fawn back because apparently, amongst other problems, the early basic macminis have not enough RAM to handle Gibbon correctly. Really the Upgrade notice should have warned me of potential difficulties, instead of being such a pleasant invite. Only free for those who already know? Yrs Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing
On 10/07/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Hi Alan, On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote: Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why fork? The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk. Sure, but that doesn't mean you can't discuss uk based issues on the main marketing list. You could for example just put [UK] in the subject line of messages to the main marketing list - which to be fair isn't exactly a busy list anyway. Forking to a separate list would mean that people from other regions would miss out on the great work you guys do. You would also miss out on suggestions from others. Unfortunately the 'inappropriate' response I had from usa recently was a distraction, and counterproductive. I do not believe that the sort of uk specific items that are arising here now for example would be appropriate for the global marketing list. And I note they have not occurred on that list. I would not be interested in who contacts whom in usa or netherlands about someone there who owns a TUX suit, and non uk readers would find uk details a distraction. It is good to know what the serbian team have done, but to get it to happen in UK would need arrangements of a different nature, some quite detailed. I do not think such things go well on a global list. The fact that we see a slow list there signals that there is a need for more local activity. Nearly -all- my activity is local, and is mostly not appropriate in a global list. UK school regulations for example? Who to contact at W H Smith head office re a stand when Ubuntu is on a magazine cover? Local council structures in england? Sometime ago I was on a berkshire radio program about computers (for age concern) on a paul daniels show (non-magic, he is a disk jockey too). It seems he has quite an interest in computers and I have toyed with the idea of finding out if he used open source, Ubuntu, etc. Again this is uk marketing, not global. I would not even have mentioned it in the global list, people's agendas are so diverse. Even the bumper stickers are too big for our car bumper and our motorhome, but probably ok for usa vehicles though. Putting uk in each subject in this uk list might work to some extent, but it would be better to be a uk marketing specific list. I have been pointing newcomers to the forums and this list for support. It is not going to sit well to find oneself in the midst of specialist marketing chatter when you are too nervous hardly to ask a question is it? Yes, in a funny sort of way I feel that I am part of a chattering community which I do not get from the forums. Yes it is distracting and often daunting, but I still find myself reading the list, and not the forums, secure in the knowledge that the list will answer me personally when I have a query. Robin I like the energy of the marketeers who are appearing. There is a reason why that has not happened (for uk) on the global list. A specialist list allows enthusiasm to develop and focus. Energy builds when people have things in common, and you can see what is in common on the global list. There really are uk specific marketing needs. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose
On 21/06/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Travis wrote: alan c wrote: norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern is with the desktop user, of which I am one. [...] Norman I concur with your view, and sympathise, counting myself fortunate that so far - as far as I know, I have not had similar problems, though I do have an important machine with a scanner - via usb - rarely used, I will need to check it. When I have time. [...] Hello, Norman and Alan. Have you ever upgraded Windows? Or MacOS? Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! However, I use 6.06.1 LTS for all the reasons you mention :-) Personally I can handle it, and I agree absolutely about windows (not used Mac) - for me windows was something I could never trust and caused a lot of worry. That why I use Linux. Linux added 10 years to my life! However my point was that since I am in the voluntary 'business' of active advocacy, I am aware that if novices install (Ubuntu) and then need support, they will not get it yet from a Friend or Family Member (FOFM) as they currently do using windows - except me! and my skill is spread pretty thin. So I can see myself possibly holding back and not encouraging some of my contacts into Ubuntu, because from what I know (about them) they will have no support. (FOFM). My expectation is that this will change with time, soon I hope. I currently work on a windows-based helpdesk. I gave a copy of Ubuntu to one of our users who is renowned (and happy to admit) that they are not technically minded or hugely skilled at using computers - they know enough to do their job but that's it. This user was able to install Ubuntu, configure it correctly to use a USB ADSL modem for internet access, configure the mail client and install flash etc. following the instructions in Firefox. I'm happy to give Ubuntu to anyone I know - I know that I'm going to have less hassles than I get with the windows boxes I've installed! That is great! Unfortunately most of the non technical people I know would not even know what USB, or a modem was. I would also be interested to know more about the adsl usb modem you mention. My understanding to date is that adsl with USB (rather than ethernet) is likely to give problems, even with 7.04. To what extent is this true now? (Presumably it is a non router - adsl usb modem only?) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I got Ubuntu loaded on my machine because I was led to believe that the updates that I gratefully receive are distributed in order to keep my software healthy, I have thought that Ubuntu is reliable, free and friendly - apparently not ? I'm not interested in comparing with Windows because I'm using Ubuntu. I don't need updates which are likely to make my life more difficult. Bewildered, Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Users
On 21/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Copy of blog post ** People may know me from the Ubuntu-UK loco team, especially IRC, i'm MooDoo in irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-uk, thats all well and good but there's one thing - I don't know you. With this in mind i'm in the process of creating Ubuntu Users [www.ubuntu-users.org], please note there isn't anything there yet. I blatently stole the idea from the creators of Behind Ubuntu [behindubuntu.org] with the aim of getting to know the Ubuntu user community a little better, you might find out something interesting your self. So my shout out to the ubuntu community goes like this: what would you like to know? What questions, apart from the obvious [name location etc] would you like to ask members of the ubuntu community. What would you like to tell everyone? Please leave your questions etc as comments on this blog and i'll create the questionaire this weekend. You can also catch me on #ubuntu-uk irc.freenode.net Come on let's get to know each other. Please also reply to this email. Cheers Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Did you require my password ? I've been told never to give it to strangers. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Searching for a Killer App
On 14/06/07, Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: Hi all, I've managed to convince my parents that Ubuntu is for them (My mum just got a new laptop with Vista and Office 2007 and thinks that it is completely unintuitive!) however there is one issue. They use Microsoft Publisher. Whilst there are many tools out there that will act as a replacement, I am unable to find a program that will load and save MS Pub files. Can anyone help? Thanks, M. -- I'm not sure if this will help but could they run Publisher and OOo or Scribus on Windows and select everything on the page, copy it and paste it into OOo? Other than that, they could try using something like PDF Creator on Windows which as far as I know will export into EPS/PS format. Even if it doesn't, you should be able to use something like pdf2ps to convert the document into PS format which can then be imported (hopefully) into Scribus and then copied and pasted into OOo. I think PDF creator also has the option to create PNG/JPG/BMP/TIF etc files, so if all else fails they could get the whole page as an image which can easily be imported into OOo. I went down the PDF2PS route the other day. I was after a high quality logo for the company I work for. Luckily I found a PDF copy of a business card which I was able to convert to PDF, import into Scribus and then copy and paste into Inkscape to make an SVG version. Looked great when it was finally imported into OOo, much better than the JPG copies that were available to me. Hope this helps anyway. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ As a newbie. I think that OOo will do all your relations want because Draw is so well integrated with Writer. But you'll have to explain the mysteries of how the curser changes for what you want to do - it's not obvioius and took me many days to fathom it out completely. I don't think you need scribus at an elemenetary level - it holds out no attractions for me above Writer/Draw in OOo. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Preventing lightning strike surges
On 5/27/07, Neil Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/05/07, Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for advices. On the mains side we have the necessary earth and voltage trips, and the earth trip works well in thunder storms, plunging us into darkness safely. But is this device quick enough to protect my computers ? We're at the end of a long rural line and so are unlikely to get voltage surges resulting from load changes. It seems that a 13amp 4 gang socket with telephone protection as recommended on this list is a reasonable course of action but can anyone tell me if they are one-shot and have to be replaced, or are resettable/automatic resetting ? How reliable are they in protecting the phone input (broadband etc). Another course of action is to spend out and get a power back-up which may contain its own protection? Robin Hi Robin, The earth/voltage trips should be fast enough to protect your computers, at least the power supply side of the equation. If you're happy with the power supply protection, you might be able to find a phone line protector that is cheaper than the combined power/phone extension lead. As Nik suggested, try asking a qualified electrician for advice. The advantage to using something like the multiway extension lead in you situation is that you get phone line protection too, and that (at least with my Belkin one) the manufacture offers a guarantee if your equipment gets damaged while using one properly (tongue-in-cheekWhat have the Romans ever done for us/tongue-in-cheek). And one last thing, my Belkin extension lead has 6 sockets, so they are available in smaller and larger sizes. Hwyl, Neil. Ta. You don't happen to know if the extension lead sockets are one-shot or resetting , (phone-wise and/or power) ? Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Preventing lightning strike surges
On 5/25/07, luxxius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Call me picky, but isn't it true that you can't *prevent* lightning strikes, only try to get them to hit something other than your aerial/golf club/tree/car/house? My only experience of a lightning strike was lightning hitting the telegraph pole down the street, sending a big pulse down the phone line, and frying the fax modem on my motherboard (along with its nearby on-board network and the graphics). I guess surge protection wouldn't help with that sort of thing? By the way, hello! I'm a relative newcomer to Ubuntu (about four months now). I have Dapper running on my old Inspiron latptop (including wireless on a Linksys card with Broadcom chipset, which I was very pleased to get working in only a fortnight!). And now I've put Feisty on an old AMD box, and recently as a dual boot on my Dell Dimension (with XP, which I keep for occasional bits of stuff that are still easier for me on XP, till I get better at GNU/Linux). But I find I rarely use that other OS at all; and I've been sort of surprised to find that I don't miss it, and - contrary to long-term brainwashing (20 years, I guess) - I don't actually need it! Freedom! Ubuntu's really good - but I have to be careful not to bore my kids and friends to death going on about it! -- Diana We've sat watching a fireball from lightning in the same room, frying the Orange box which took 5 weeks to replace, followint innumerable phone calls. And it is a bore switching everything off whenever there is a thunderstorm in the area. What are the relative merits of the various means of protection ? Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Preventing lightning strike surges
On 5/25/07, Dominic Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luxxius wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Call me picky, but isn't it true that you can't *prevent* lightning strikes, only try to get them to hit something other than your aerial/golf club/tree/car/house? My only experience of a lightning strike was lightning hitting the telegraph pole down the street, sending a big pulse down the phone line, and frying the fax modem on my motherboard (along with its nearby on-board network and the graphics). I guess surge protection wouldn't help with that sort of thing? snip... Don't be so sure - my father lived in a remote part of the Highlands of Scotland and had 5 (yes five!) modems fried. I then bought him a combined power/phone lightning surge protector and never had another problem! Dom Don Was the protector one of those 13amp 5 (?) way blocks with in/out phone sockets ? Are they one-shot jobs, in that you have to replace them after a strike or surge, or do they reset `? Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] scanner
On 5/21/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you who have read the interchange earlier today between Alan Pope and myself may well have concluded that I was a bit up tight. You are quite right and this why. If you have the time have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/85488 You will see that the bug was first reported 2007-03-01 which, by my reckoning, was well before 7.04 was released. The list of reports goes on and on and on with the latest being a few hours ago. I want Ubuntu to succeed as much as anyone but I just feel that this is not the way to win friends and influence people. It means that either not being able to take advantage of the improvements in 7.04 or having to boot up windows just to scan. While I am scanning I am also printing and word processing so that is also using windows and I don't like it. Norman Norman I agree with you from another direction - I like my computing to be a turnkey operation without voyages of discovery being needed. And I hope that the keeness of Ubuntu users is directed accordingly. I'd rather it works simply and reliably than sophistically and buggy. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do non-techies like the most about Ubuntu?
On 5/20/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am always recommending it to friends but they always look so alarmed at the thought of change and I 'm not very good at telling them why Ubuntu is so much better.- someone give me some sales talk quick!!! Caroline (LSP) Hi Caroline, Giving someone a good reason to change, when they're happy with what they have is always hard ! I think its important to draw their attention to the negative aspects of Windows. and contrasting them against the positive attributes of Linux may work. Most people have never used anything other than Windows. They assume that all computers are slow, need lots of resources and get virus's (or is it viri!). Show them that there is a choice... Like the bank advert says There is another way.. For instance: Q: Have you ever had a virus? Did you know that some virus's/malware can steal your personal details, turn your Windows computer into a gateway for pornographic emails and get you into trouble? Ubuntu by the way isn't susceptible to virus's like Windows is. Using Ubuntu can safeguard you from bad people on the internet. Q: Does your computer start up slowly? If not, you're guaranteed that it will after time.. Did you know that Windows gets more and more 'bloated' the longer you use it? This slows your Windows computer down, making it unresponsive and sluggish. Ubuntu is designed differently. It doesn't get fat like Windows ;-) Q: Does it cost you a lot of money, every time you need a new program to do something? A standard version of Microsoft Office 2007 could cost you around 300 quid, Photoshop could cost you more. Did you know that Ubuntu has thousands of programs available for free at the click of a button, and you can still open all of your old Microsoft Office documents too! In fact, this sounds like a reasonably good way to market Ubuntu via leaflets etc! Chris - Ububtu is reliable, free and friendly - Windows isn't any of these. - ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do non-techies like the most about Ubuntu?
On 5/18/07, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: Windows - why release all your fixes once a month, why not when Mostly because of all the pain windows updates create. You wouldn't want to be doing that every week! ;) Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.canonical.com I'm very happy to receive updates periodically - it means that someone ouit there actually cares. But not regularly. Just according to need please Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings from South India!
On 5/17/07, Edward Crompton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, I've been lurking on this list for a few weeks, and thought I'd finally introduce myself. I work for Mahiti.org, a not for profit technology consultancy for the voluntary sector based in Bangalore, India. We develop on a couple of FOSS content management systems and our whole infrastructure is Ubuntu based. Part of my reason for introducing myself is that I'm planning to return to the UK in August after two years of working with FOSS in the development sector in India. I'd like to continue to feed my enthusiasm to work in this field back in the UK. Would any of you be able to offer any pointers as to suitable organisations or projects that may hold opportunities for a person with my background? I know it's not a very Ubuntu specific request, but having said that, the bulk of my system admin and deployment experience has been Ubuntu based. Any comments or advice would be most appreciated! It's great to see such an active list over in the UK - I look forward to getting more involved on my return! Warm regards, Edward -- Edward Crompton Mahiti Infotech Pvt Ltd 314/1 Vijay Kiran Building 7th Cross Domlur Layout Bangalore 560071 Phone: +91 80 41150580 Fax: +91 80 41150583 www.mahiti.org Can't help but best of luck. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do non-techies like the most about Ubuntu?
On 5/15/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it'd be interesting to find out what it is that impresses new non-techie users the most about Ubuntu. For people who are 'into' IT it may be engineering, adaptability or the politics of FOSS. For the large majority though it's likely to be something quite different. I hope that this information will help us sell Ubuntu more effectively and help focus in on some themes that can be included in future marketing campaigns (like the leaflet suggestion for instance). Here's my example. Like many IT folks, I'm the unpaid tech support to an array of family and friends. Anyone who comes to me wanting a basic desktop (ie - who doesn't want to play computer games) gets Ubuntu. What has surprised me is that the most commented on feature of Ubuntu from the perspective of the non-technical user is the add/remove programs menu option. People seem to be very impressed that they can simply click a button and quality software appears for free, ready to use on their computer. Surely more can be made of this to punt the feature to new potential users Any other examples ? Chris Like your people I was and am deeply impressed with the Add/Remove facility (it keeps me away from the dreaded terminal) but it lacks depth. Alter looking through the list of software and finding two or three that attracted me, I couldn't easily find a definitive list of thickie application programs on the web. they are scattered all over the place and I had to use this list to find what I wanted. I had expected some sort of link(s) attached somewhere in the add.remove sector which took me to a long list of free applications which did something for me outside of just getting the computer to work, A keyword search facility should be atttached. I use Ububtu because it is reliable, free and friendly Robin. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On 5/5/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To keep the discussion alive, here is an example of why I should use windows and not Ubuntu (not that I will). My grandson, a windows user, bought a Freecom Digital TV DVB-T USB Stick Freeview receiver, plugged it in and off he went, no problem. Now, what will I have to do if I want to use one of these devices? He, no doubt, used some software that came with the device, which I don't expect will work with Ubuntu. I shall be surprised if there is an application to do the job built into Ubuntu, so I am prevented from being able to use the device, or am I? How can I find out or, more to the point, why should I go to the bother of finding out? You see, ordinary, domestic, desktop users like me are not interested in servers or programming or using terminals but just in tasks like a bit of word processing, emails, using the internet, handling digital photos and videos a bit of printing, both colour and mono and, perhaps, playing games. There may be other things, which I have missed, but not many. Wouldn't it be great if there were an edition of Ubuntu which catered for these few items as simply as windows appears to do. OK folks, get the knives out and shoot me down in flames. (I know, I have mixed my metaphors). Norman I agree with you 100% - most of my work is within the span of Open Offfice and f-spot web. And the domestic user is the one who is freeer to chose his/her system. Ubuntu is reliable, free and friendly for the domestic user. No fears of expensive upgrades/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On 5/3/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always find this a toughy. One problem I often encounter in my 20 something peer group is lack of support for gaming. For instance, as I write this, I'm setting up a computer with Feisty and trying to get Eve online working on it. That's one thing that's very important to a lot of people, and a major blocker to takeup. I'd think that this needs looking at carefully. Why should I try this Linux thingy? Why am I ? Because it's reliable, free friendly. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On 5/4/07, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Pascoe wrote: One question that's been missed off all of this valuable discussions is: Why should I try this Linux thingy? PROLOGUE - I'm going to be contentious. I ought to explain that TheVeech and I exchanged emails offlist last night, in which we agreed that a bit of violent discussion would both lead to a better result than any individual could come up with AND hopefully spark contributions from people who have sat on the sidelines. BTW - if you want to carry on sitting on the sidelines and just reading, that's absolutely fine with me. However, I do find that many more people say nothing because they (wrongly) don't believe that they know enough than say things when they they are actually misunderstanding the issues. We generally get to better answers if more people join in. On that basis, if you all join in to tell me I'm wrong in what I'm writing below - that's FANTASTIC - it's the kind of thing I can use to improve my understanding and arguments in the future. MAIN ACT - I don't like free as a selling point unless I'm talking to someone where I know I have a minimum of 5 minutes to run through the issue. Free works very well in a longer format, like the recent BBC radio programme mentioned on the list a week or so ago. Free means to me no cost and I repeat my reasons for abandoning Apple mac: Ubuntu is reliable, free and friendly. Much of the expansion of Ubuntu will be where the threat offutu cost matters. Other more exotic meanings of free are swept up in the concepts of reliable and friendly. Home computer owners appreciate these 3 reaons more easily than corporate bodies. However, in a moment of truth, one of the hardest problems to overcome is what happens to potential users when you mention the word free, and most people will make a snap decision inside a ludicrously short period of time, rather than bothering to listen to the arguments. When most people hear the free word, they think zero cost: So for people thinking about an existing PC, it's a non-issue. They already have a copy of an O/S and continuing to use that is free in the money sense. The no money issue only applies if people were thinking of changing to Vista [1] or thinking of getting a new PC [2] Note 1: I suspect that another few months of horror stories about people who try to upgrade from XP to Vista will stop people wanting to do that. Note 2: Oh for a UK household name manufacturer who could ship Ubuntu. See other thread(s) about why we need to keep the pressure on Dell to offer this in the UK as well as the States AND why we need to make D*mned sure that the price of a PC with Ubuntu is less than the price of a PC with Vista. The problem with saying free and meaning freedom is that you then have to explain the difference. There are two issues that arise with this: Firstly, some people get put off and think that you're deliberately misusing words, and all the other things that _I_ get accused of :-) Secondly, most people aren't programmers, and therefore don't understand (short of a long conversation) why freedom to modify source code is overall good for them EVEN IF THEY THEMSELVES NEVER DO IT. Most people think I'm not a programmer, I'm never going to change the code, so it's of no benefit to me rather than Because lots of programmers can see what's really going on, the total community of skilled people available to fix bugs and add new features is far bigger than any single company, even one as big as Microsoft, could ever afford. Personally, I always like tables that say When should you use X, when should you use Y that deliberately come up with circumstances when using a competitor's product is better - they come over as honest (even if they are always self serving.)... and you also make the reasons to use the competitor sound very niche. Why Linux? - It's stable - most of the world's web servers and email servers run Linux because it crashes much, much less. - It's more secure - Linux was developed with a sophsticated security model from the ground up, and Ubuntu applies a set of defaults that mean that, even if a user clicks on a virus by mistake, they won't make it infect the PC. (As an aside, most viruses are written to only work on Windows - because it's a lot easier to write a virus that attacks Windows.) - There are a huge number of applications specifically designed to work together. In the Windows world it's very easy for a programmer to write one program that accidently causes another program to stop working. On Linux, because of the way that the code used to write programs is almost always available, it's very, very hard for a program to have these problems. Indeed, one of the things the Ubuntu community does is specifically check that things won't interfere with each other before they are included in a distribution. Why Windows? - At the moment, more PC vendors ship machines with Windows pre-installed than have
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets
On 5/4/07, Jim Kissel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Harrison wrote: Ian Pascoe wrote: One question that's been missed off all of this valuable discussions is: Why should I try this Linux thingy? PROLOGUE - I'm going to be contentious. I ought to explain that TheVeech and I exchanged emails offlist last night, in which we agreed that a bit of violent discussion would both lead to a better result than any individual could come up with AND hopefully spark contributions from people who have sat on the sidelines. BTW - if you want to carry on sitting on the sidelines and just reading, that's absolutely fine with me. However, I do find that many more people say nothing because they (wrongly) don't believe that they know enough than say things when they they are actually misunderstanding the issues. We generally get to better answers if more people join in. On that basis, if you all join in to tell me I'm wrong in what I'm writing below - that's FANTASTIC - it's the kind of thing I can use to improve my understanding and arguments in the future. MAIN ACT - I don't like free as a selling point unless I'm talking to someone where I know I have a minimum of 5 minutes to run through the issue. Let's get the free as in gratis our of the way quickly. The cost of acquisition of OSS/FS software is near zero. You can download it if you have sufficient bandwidth (which you pay for) or you can purchase an inexpensive CD/DVD, or you can buy a boxed set which may/may not come with a manual. In all cases your cost of acquisition should be less than 100 GBP. Note: Some Enterprise versions cost much more, but you are purchasing multi-year support and that costs. You want 7x24 support, you've got to pay for it. Free works very well in a longer format, like the recent BBC radio programme mentioned on the list a week or so ago. However, in a moment of truth, one of the hardest problems to overcome is what happens to potential users when you mention the word free, and most people will make a snap decision inside a ludicrously short period of time, rather than bothering to listen to the arguments. When most people hear the free word, they think zero cost: Since we are pouring petrol on the fire, here is another take on what most people think when they here free. Free == Crap An attitude nurtured by PC World/PC Pro/PC Format.'et al' and 25 years of floppy/CD/DVD cover disks of free useless crapware or at best crippleware. An attitude reinforced by the crapware loaded on the hard disk by PC manufactures. So for people thinking about an existing PC, it's a non-issue. They already have a copy of an O/S and continuing to use that is free in the money sense. The no money issue only applies if people were thinking of changing to Vista [1] or thinking of getting a new PC [2] It also applies to the existing installed base that needs to subscribe to an anti-virus application or two just to keep their system running on a day to day basis. Switch to OSS/FS and this type of problem disappears Note 1: I suspect that another few months of horror stories about people who try to upgrade from XP to Vista will stop people wanting to do that. Note 2: Oh for a UK household name manufacturer who could ship Ubuntu. See other thread(s) about why we need to keep the pressure on Dell to offer this in the UK as well as the States AND why we need to make D*mned sure that the price of a PC with Ubuntu is less than the price of a PC with Vista. The problem with saying free and meaning freedom is that you then have to explain the difference. There are two issues that arise with this: Firstly, some people get put off and think that you're deliberately misusing words, and all the other things that _I_ get accused of :-) Secondly, most people aren't programmers, and therefore don't understand (short of a long conversation) why freedom to modify source code is overall good for them EVEN IF THEY THEMSELVES NEVER DO IT. Most people think I'm not a programmer, I'm never going to change the code, so it's of no benefit to me rather than Because lots of programmers can see what's really going on, the total community of skilled people available to fix bugs and add new features is far bigger than any single company, even one as big as Microsoft, could ever afford. Personally, I always like tables that say When should you use X, when should you use Y that deliberately come up with circumstances when using a competitor's product is better - they come over as honest (even if they are always self serving.)... and you also make the reasons to use the competitor sound very niche. Why Linux? - It's stable - most of the world's web servers and email servers run Linux because it crashes much, much less. Good point, but not exactly germane to individuals/SOHO/SMBs - It's more secure - Linux was developed with a sophsticated security model from the ground up, and Ubuntu applies a
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 5/1/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 18:31 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: On 4/29/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 20:30 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: Does one just download the .iso file below onto the desktop, then onto the HDD ? Download the iso Burn the disk image (iso) to CD Boot computer from the CD (this is the install) This sounds good to me except that 1. I haven't burnt a CD before, but imagine that I just folllow the instructions but 2. The CD drive in the mac mini has a reluctance to eject and I have to try it many times, including holding the computer at odd angles in an effort to persuade it to disgorge. Accordingly I am reluctant to use it. I have an assortment of pen drives up to 1gb and unexpectedly been given by my elder daughter, as her father's 75th birthday present, a brand new Western Digital Passport 160gb which perhaps can be used instead of the CD drive as a boot disc ? Or will a pen drive do which I would prefer because I can easily store it away safely. The order in with Applestore for the new mac mini. When it comes I shall first g... have to copy my missus' files over to the new machine I'd have divorced her. grrr...in order to release the old one for Fiesty and me grrr... As the only applications she uses are iphoto (which should come ready loaded) and Neooffice J (note the J, and is no longer available on the web), this should be a doddle (famous last words ?). I've got to make the case: if that's all she uses, why are you surrendering all that machine for two measly apps? She is already using copies of Neooffice J because the copy she currently uses every so often throws a wobbly and she goes to a backup ( again again). Then we can clean the Apple Mac rubbish off the HDD and replace with magnificant Ubuntu and its superb allied software. I need help in deciding how this new 160gb HD fits in, please. I think that you may still require details of my hardware. 160gb?!? That's the first I've heard of a 160gb HDD. Where has it got to fit in? It's frreestanding, self-powered from the USB and runs at 5400 rpm. It is about 4 square and about a half inch deep, Simple plug and play interface with mac, and ought to be the same for Ubuntu. And yes, post whatever details you can. Might be an idea to ask in a Mac forum, or on the Ubuntu Mac one for how to do this (output the hardware details). Hardware information 1.42 GHz PowerPB G4 (1.2), 512 mb DDR SDRAM Machine model Powermac 10.1 cache 512 kb memory 512 mb Boot ROM version 4.8.914 Disc burner MATSHITA CD RW CW- 8124 Cache 2048 kb Display resolution 1152 x 864 @ 75 Hz - ATI Radeon 9200 Printer driver 2.68 What do you want and where do I find it ? Currently my Ububtu machine can't print via the Epsom Stylus Photo RX640 although the mac mini does ok - the disc that came with the printer had apparently not heard of Linux. Let's see if we can get it to work then. Connect the printer to the Ubuntu machine and switch it on. System Administration Printing Double click 'New Printer' and go through the wizard. If a model is listed that isn't the exact one, don't fret. It should still work, if my experience of Epsom's is anything to go by. I tried this friendly approach some while age on the compact laptop wiwthout success. We'll have to have another attempt when the rest is loaded on the mac mine. Ever thought of a laser printer? I'd never, ever, EVER go back to inkjets. Yes, but currently beyond ouir pocket for a good colour job. Gotta go. Big game tonight. Hope you enjoyed your match. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 5/2/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 09:39 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: grrr...in order to release the old one for Fiesty and me grrr... As the only applications she uses are iphoto (which should come ready loaded) and Neooffice J (note the J, and is no longer available on the web), this should be a doddle (famous last words ?). I've got to make the case: if that's all she uses, why are you surrendering all that machine for two measly apps? She is already using copies of Neooffice J because the copy she currently uses every so often throws a wobbly and she goes to a backup ( again again). Then we can clean the Apple Mac rubbish off the HDD and replace with magnificant Ubuntu and its superb allied software. I need help in deciding how this new 160gb HD fits in, please. I think that you may still require details of my hardware. 160gb?!? That's the first I've heard of a 160gb HDD. Where has it got to fit in? It's frreestanding, self-powered from the USB and runs at 5400 rpm. It is about 4 square and about a half inch deep, Simple plug and play interface with mac, and ought to be the same for Ubuntu. Right, I only had time to scan your post last night (and I'll be offline for much of today). The 160gb WD Passport is the same one I've got (make sure you get a pouch for it - it scratches easily). If you're desktop-bound and don't have to transfer data between machines in different locations, I'd have recommended for an external drive the WD My Book 500GB USB (not much difference in cost), but, IMHO, the WD Passport is a great piece of kit, especially for laptops and people who have to be mobile. Yes, I'll keep it as backup but I would at some time like to have Ubuntu on it so that I could plug it into someone else's Windows machine to demonstrate how friendly Ububtu is. What I'm preparing to do is install Ubuntu on the internal HDD of the machine. If you agree to this, forget all about pendrives and external HDDs for now. The priority's to get that machine working. The WD Passport you might as well use as a backup device and to shift data between machines. Just plug it into the Feisty machine and it should load (mount) straight away. To unload (unmount), I have to input in Terminal: For the mac, it is recommended (and works) that the desktop icon is dropped into waste bin. sudo umount /dev/sdb1 If the Passport isn't recognised here, type sudo fdisk -l and see what device it's called, then change the 'sdb1' bit to whatever it is. (there's probably a better fix for this, but I haven't had time to look for it yet). If you really want to, I'm pretty sure you could install a distro on the Passport another time, though. And yes, post whatever details you can. Might be an idea to ask in a Mac forum, or on the Ubuntu Mac one for how to do this (output the hardware details). Hardware information 1.42 GHz PowerPB G4 (1.2), 512 mb DDR SDRAM Machine model Powermac 10.1 cache 512 kb memory 512 mb Boot ROM version 4.8.914 Disc burner MATSHITA CD RW CW- 8124 Cache 2048 kb Display resolution 1152 x 864 @ 75 Hz - ATI Radeon 9200 Printer driver 2.68 Excellent. What do you want and where do I find it ? Currently my Ububtu machine can't print via the Epsom Stylus Photo RX640 although the mac mini does ok - the disc that came with the printer had apparently not heard of Linux. Disks that come with hardware are almost always useless for Linux, since they're usually designed for Windows and Mac users. Let's see if we can get it to work then. Connect the printer to the Ubuntu machine and switch it on. System Administration Printing Double click 'New Printer' and go through the wizard. If a model is listed that isn't the exact one, don't fret. It should still work, if my experience of Epsom's is anything to go by. I tried this friendly approach some while age on the compact laptop wiwthout success. We'll have to have another attempt when the rest is loaded on the mac mine. No we won't!!! We're getting a system up and running, with a net connection, then it's time for you to consult the net! I'll be there, too (on this list), so if there's something I can help with, I will, but the specific job is to get the machine functioning enough to let you get out there and find the answers here and elsewhere. I've only got one set of eyeballs (and they're limited by time, too). The greater the number of people who can see whatever the issue is, specific to your needs and that machine, the better. There's still the problem
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/29/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 20:30 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: Does one just download the .iso file below onto the desktop, then onto the HDD ? Download the iso Burn the disk image (iso) to CD Boot computer from the CD (this is the install) This sounds good to me except that 1. I haven't burnt a CD before, but imagine that I just folllow the instructions but 2. The CD drive in the mac mini has a reluctance to eject and I have to try it many times, including holding the computer at odd angles in an effort to persuade it to disgorge. Accordingly I am reluctant to use it. I have an assortment of pen drives up to 1gb and unexpectedly been given by my elder daughter, as her father's 75th birthday present, a brand new Western Digital Passport 160gb which perhaps can be used instead of the CD drive as a boot disc ? Or will a pen drive do which I would prefer because I can easily store it away safely. The order in with Applestore for the new mac mini. When it comes I shall first g... have to copy my missus' files over to the new machine grrr...in order to release the old one for Fiesty and me grrr... As the only applications she uses are iphoto (which should come ready loaded) and Neooffice J (note the J, and is no longer available on the web), this should be a doddle (famous last words ?). She is already using copies of Neooffice J because the copy she currently uses every so often throws a wobbly and she goes to a backup ( again again). Then we can clean the Apple Mac rubbish off the HDD and replace with magnificant Ubuntu and its superb allied software. I need help in deciding how this new 160gb HD fits in, please. I think that you may still require details of my hardware. What do you want and where do I find it ? Currently my Ububtu machine can't print via the Epsom Stylus Photo RX640 although the mac mini does ok - the disc that came with the printer had apparently not heard of Linux. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/28/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 22:16 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: I hasten to reply today that as far as I know, there are 2 models of mac mini and and I am supposed to be getting the one with 80Gb hard disc, ie the model with the higher specification, plus keyboard and screen all from Applestore. OK. I'll take a look at this model. I'm relieved that you've got the whole kit here because there shouldn't be any weird configuration problems. We're starting off well. If there's a chance you could get an email from AppleStore with the specifications? I'm afraid that my missus has put her oar in and insists that she has the new machine. This means that I shall have to transfer all her folders + Neooffice J (she doesn't like the later versions) on to the new machine via pen drive before we can get going. But it does mean that we shall be putting Ubuntu on the old pre-intel mac mini and so can now get the info you need if you will tell me where to look, please. We can take this discussion off the list when we're doing the install, but it's best to keep posting here in the hope that someone will spot any mistakes/bad judgement and jump in. Let's take your 80gb HDD. The way I've set up partitions on my machines in the past has been to use a whopping 10gb for the root partition (that's the part of the drive that hosts your applications). That was when I was thinking about future-proofing, but how far in the future was I thinking?!? Bizarre. I wish I could future-proof myself - everything's slowly sliding downhill. I don't have to keep the mac core programs and applications (such touching faith in Ubuntu). I can manage my files within 20gb if necessary, although having more makes life much easier. Now we've got the 60gb HDD to play with, which, once my missus has cleared her stuff out, can be cleaned as much as is needed. There will be no applications that I will be keeping and the doc files can be taken off on a pen drive for the time being, then put back. Nowadays (IIRC like Alan Pope) I'm sticking to GNOME programs, avoiding KDE. I use laptops as a rule, so this prevents resource waste seeing as though there's only one task I rely on - mindmapping - that isn't well covered by GNOME. `i have formed the opinion from reading this list that I need not play with KDE I will know nothing more until delivery. Oh! I don't know anything about burning a CD but believe it isn't too difficult, I assume that we will be using the one on the new mac mini. For the install, we'll be using the disk in the Mac Mini. If you want to burn the disk image on that, you'll have to find out what app you need to use. If we're using Ubuntu software to make the disk, I'd prefer to use Brasero because I can send you a PDF with instructions specific to that program. If we are using the HDD in the mac mini (or do you mean CD), there's no need for a CD ? Currently I using Daffy, not Edgy. do you want me to put basero on my compact laptop or on Tiger in the mac mini when it comes? I'm not sure of the worth of the CD drive on the laptop, it's about 5 or 6 years old. I have another mac mini a year old running Tiger with a CD drive which does't like ejecting its discs so I use it as little as possible (I use pen drives for backup). Should I buy new discs and are there different sorts, if so what should I get and how many? Would a pen drive do the job ? Had a look at the forum you recommend above, reassuring in some ways, daunting in others. At the end of the day, I need to be in serious business with OOo and have no fears about a new version if it is a development of the old. Other software can be added at leisure. Thank you for your help. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/28/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 23:12 +0100, TheVeech wrote: Currently I using Daffy, not Edgy. do you want me to put basero on my compact laptop or on Tiger in the mac mini when it comes? I'm not sure of the worth of the CD drive on the laptop, it's about 5 or 6 years old. I have another mac mini a year old running Tiger with a CD drive which does't like ejecting its discs so I use it as little as possible (I use pen drives for backup). Should I buy new discs and are there different sorts, if so what should I get and how many? Would a pen drive do the job ? Had a look at the forum you recommend above, reassuring in some ways, daunting in others. At the end of the day, I need to be in serious business with OOo and have no fears about a new version if it is a development of the old. Other software can be added at leisure. Thank you for your help. Robin You should be fine with OO.org then. You'll have to install Brasero on your Ubuntu installation, unless it's available on Tiger - I'll look later, but I'm watching Match of the Day at the moment, and I've only just realised that I've already inadvertently sent 2 replies! We've got time for you to try writing the disk image on the laptop. Like I've said, though, if you can burn a disk image with software on your existing Mac, give it a go. We could try installing off your pen drive, but I want to keep it simple, so we'll start off with the intention of using a CD. We may need to play with the BIOS (check wikipedia for definition), but on this I haven't got the slightest idea how Apple machines approach this. Something else to look into. Get whatever disks your drive supports. Any CD you can write to should be okay. Ideally burn 2 copies just in case one fails during the actual install - this has happened with installs I've done in the past with no prior warning whatsoever. Just get as few disks as you can. The forum thread is a bit daunting in parts, but at least the people on it are reporting success! I might try and get in touch with the people who posted there for their experiences after the weekend, seeing as though they're using these specific machines. Back to partitioning, I'll look further into this and hope people on the list post their thoughts on it, too. Don't forget, though, that it's your computer, so you're the boss. Just because people might be helping you out, this doesn't mean that you're under any obligation to accept anything you don't want. I'd suggest setting the Mac up to use Ubuntu only, and ditch Mac's OS. The reasoning behind this I've mentioned before. I'd add that my opinion is that you're better off sticking with one OS to avoid confusion and not water down your knowledge across multiple OSes and applications. Get to know one well, rather than two superficially. You need to consider this choice, and I don't mind whatever you decide. I am happy to agree with you. Mac Tiger is a decent job but has an annoying way of hiding each of the several different ways of doing something - which is maddening when one's memory isn't what it used to be. Searching in Ubuntu I find intuitively easier and less confusing. Here's roughly (ignoring 1024) what I'd do with an 80gb disk with, say, 1gb of RAM (RAM we need to confirm since conventional wisdom is to set a Swap partition of double your amount of RAM): / (root) 8gb ext3 bootable /home 70gb ext3 /swap 2gb I can only accept your advice on this (amended for 60gb HDD) Finally, don't thank anyone yet. We've yet to do the work. Despite me nagging you more than you probably deserve, the thing that really impresses me is that you've stuck with Linux. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/29/07, LeeUKHA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've got time for you to try writing the disk image on the laptop. Like I've said, though, if you can burn a disk image with software on your existing Mac, give it a go. Rather then messing about with burning CDs, why not just burn one yourself, check the integrity by booting the CD and running the disk check, and then sticking it in the post? And then order a load in from the Canonical 'Ship-it' service for next time... I've never burnt a CD, and have ordered from 'Ship-it' as a matter of principle. Can't see why one cannot just pick up Ubuntu like any trivial application from the web. But then I'm being naive -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/29/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 16:14 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: I've had a look at the forums (? fora) again, and gained no further insight, their problems tend to be in isolation. Well I think once you take a dislike to something, nothing's going to shift you! :) If you were to sum up much of the support in this list, you'd say it was specific to the questioner's needs. This is how it tends to work with support on the forums, too. Isolation/specificity - essentially the same thing, but with different connotations and attitudes that are suggestive of how different people can approach resources. You're never going to find the thread: 'Mr Menneer: here's the answer to whatever computing issue you're after' but search is a powerful tool and if you have a good look around, you should pick up some helpful tips. And looked at the manual which seems to be for Edgy but which soon leaves me behind.. A paragraph or two seem quite ok, then suddenly I'm faced with something I have difficulty in coping with. My indifferent memory doesn't help. Just dip into these things and try to get a general idea, rather than aim to master everything in one go. You might find some of the video tutorials helpful. In another thread today, someone's already mentioned the screencasts at the documentation pages (http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/). There's also others, a couple being: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ http://ubuntuclips.org/ Try searching for more if you find this medium helps. I;m sorry that I won't be able to get back to you until Tuesday - work intervens - you've given me more to look at, and it'll have to wait until then. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/29/07, Toby Smithe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 20:03 +0100, TheVeech wrote: Hi Toby, have you got any experience with these machines? If so, can you give Robin a hand with the preparation for the install? To us it's probably an easy task, but everyone's at different levels, and Robin could do with all the help he can get right now. I don't have any experience with the machines; I'm just using the tools available to me for research ;) It might also help if you could run him through the process of using nautilus to burn the disk image if he might find this simpler (a PDF is quick and easy to knock out - once, that is, it's established that he can actually burn a disk on the machine running Ubuntu - otherwise, it might be an idea to get someone who knows the Mac's burning software he might have). It's as simple as download the desktop image to the hard drive, double click file, reboot with CD. (Although I'm not sure how the Mac firmware handles booting from CD). Neither am I, but I have a Mac which came with the machine. Does one just download the .iso file below onto the desktop, then onto the HDD ? Surely it cannot be that easy. Back on Tuesday. This is the image file required: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/feisty/release/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-powerpc.iso You should just be able to click the link; save it, and burn it from the file manager. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
Thank you severally for your long mails. I've loaded Picasa easily using the file name you gave me, and now think that f-spot may be better, but I do need the straighten facility, hence going for Fiesty (apart from its other improvements unknown to me). I'm happy with the suggestion that you use me as a guinea-pig for installing Fiesty, providing you keep things simple and have plenty of patience. Bear in mind, please, that I don't need music and motion pictures, but do want OOo Writer and Draw in a version that doesn't mess me about. I do require things that are as reliable as software ever is (discounting Windows of course). I'm happy to give feedback on how well a package installs and performs for an oldie, including interface ergonomics, but cannot cope with coding any longer. As regards timing, I can fit in most mornings after 10am or afternoons but am less alive after 4pm, and have a hands-free phone which makes things easier. Probably this coming Friday, Saturday or Sunday would suit assuming the hardware is delivered. Otherwise next week. Installation isn't desperately urgent, I just want it right and good, please. YrsRobin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Fiesty into Mac mini
On 4/28/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 16:37 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: Thank you severally for your long mails. I've loaded Picasa easily using the file name you gave me, and now think that f-spot may be better, but I do need the straighten facility, hence going for Fiesty (apart from its other improvements unknown to me). I'm happy with the suggestion that you use me as a guinea-pig for installing Fiesty, providing you keep things simple and have plenty of patience. Bear in mind, please, that I don't need music and motion pictures, but do want OOo Writer and Draw in a version that doesn't mess me about. I do require things that are as reliable as software ever is (discounting Windows of course). I'm happy to give feedback on how well a package installs and performs for an oldie, including interface ergonomics, but cannot cope with coding any longer. As regards timing, I can fit in most mornings after 10am or afternoons but am less alive after 4pm, and have a hands-free phone which makes things easier. Probably this coming Friday, Saturday or Sunday would suit assuming the hardware is delivered. Otherwise next week. Installation isn't desperately urgent, I just want it right and good, please. YrsRobin LOL. Robin, you've got to try to give applications a bit more time to become comfortable and familiar with them before you discount them! That said, usability-wise, F-Spot is pretty good, as is gThumb, and they also have 'good' licenses. I tried to avoid the term 'guinea pig', though everyone (understandably) tends to duck for cover at the mention of more work, especially in weather like this! What we'll - me and you, that is - do is get you a functioning system. Once we iron out any machine-specific issues, you'll then be free to chase the rest up at your leisure in any forum or list you choose at the pace you want. Feisty it is, then, and for the initial install of the OS, at least, it looks like you're stuck with me, so don't worry about complexities and patience - I'm accustomed to working with people who aren't technical wizards, so we should be okay. It would help hugely if you could have someone with you at the time for another pair of ears and eyeballs - just hassle a relative or friend (they don't need to be technical, either). Again, though, don't worry if you can't do this. When you get a fixed date for delivery let me know and I'll email you. I'll need to give you a landline number to contact me on (you don't want to be paying mobile phone rates for sure), but I won't know what that is until the day we do it, so bear with me on that. When the machine is actually with you, we can fix the time we do this. Writer and Draw come as default, so no worries there. There's a new version of OO.org in Feisty, but you should still know your way around. But it's going to help you more if you tweak your approach to things. I think your ideas about your relationship with the technology your use puts you at a disadvantage from the start. This software won't 'mess you about' in any way, shape or form. It's up to you. It'll be you who's messing about if you don't put any effort into being more self-sufficient - i.e. you need to start trying to learn more about the technology you use to keep on top of it. I'm not interested in the many reasons people claim for being unable to do this - I hear these all the time, and you'd be surprised at some of the classics people can come out with. Had you learned more before this, you'd be better prepared now for this install and what comes after it, but that's the situation we're in, so let's get it out of the way first. If I recall correctly, at the moment you're using Edgy? What CD burner do you use? Brasero's quite handy and easy to use. If you want to use this, type this into a terminal: sudo apt-get install brasero This is what I use, so it'll make my job easier since I can follow what you're doing. Try also to get the specifics of the machine to me as soon as possible (today would be good!) so I can get prepared and do a bit of research this week. Before then, this might give you a bit of confidence: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415070 I hasten to reply today that as far as I know, there are 2 models of mac mini and and I am supposed to be getting the one with 80Gb hard disc, ie the model with the higher specification, plus keyboard and screen all from Applestore. I will know nothing more until delivery. I don't know anything about burning a CD but believe it isn't too difficult, I assume that we will be using the one on the new mac mini. Currently I using Daffy, not Edgy. do you want me to put basero on my compact laptop or on Tiger in the mac mini when it comes? I'm not sure of the worth of the CD drive on the laptop, it's about 5 or 6 years old. I have another mac mini a year old running Tiger with a CD drive which does't like ejecting its discs so I use
[ubuntu-uk] f-spot vs. iphoto
Is there a facility in f-spot equivalent to *straighten* in iphoto, please. I can't find the f-spot help manual, although it's probably staring me in the face. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] f-spot vs. iphoto
On 4/27/07, David Morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin there is a tool third from the right in edit photo that says adjust angle of picture -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ David I make it that the third from the right in edit photo is *adjust the photo colours* and cannot see anything there that says *adjust angle of picture*. I've also looked in the edit at the top of the page and not found it. Am I being more dumb than usual, please. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] f-spot vs. iphoto
On 4/27/07, Phil Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robin, On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 15:58 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: On 4/27/07, David Morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin there is a tool third from the right in edit photo that says adjust angle of picture -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ David I make it that the third from the right in edit photo is *adjust the photo colours* and cannot see anything there that says *adjust angle of picture*. I've also looked in the edit at the top of the page and not found it. Am I being more dumb than usual, please. According to the F-Spot News page [1], the 'Straighten' feature was added for F-Spot 0.3.2, released in January this year. If I remember correctly, you're using Ubuntu Dapper and so will have an earlier version of F-Spot which doesn't have this feature. The F-Spot in Ubuntu Feisty does have this feature. Thanks, Phil [1] - http://f-spot.org/News -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull Thanks. Didn't know abouit the f-spot page, but a brief look at it doesn't encourage me but I'll look again. Towards the end of this week I'm likely to get a brand new Intel mac mini and naturally I want to use Ubuntu on it. Even having read about all the Feisty bugs reported on this list recently, I am tempted to go for Feisty because of the ability to use f-spot the same as iphoto (and then I can persuade my missus to switch from iphoto). I'm afraid that The Gimp is not an option for me at the moment due to work pressures but I look forward to grappling with it later on. Firstly am I being stupid, and ought to wait until the novelty of Feisty has worn off and it has become reliable? If not, how should I load Fiesty bearing in mind that I have never burnt a disc and didn't load Daffy myself, having had it done as a turn-key job for me? I'm happy to learn how to run in Ubuntu, except I'm finding learning, these days, an uphill job because I can no longer remember sequences and my handwriting is getting difficult to read. The help I got with loading f-spot was super. YrsRobin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Ubuntu on to a Mac mini
On 4/22/07, Dean Sas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: Sorry you're beyond me. Two questions to start. We like iphoto and are nowwhere near photoshop in experitse. Is there something in Ubuntu as good as iPhoto without being as complicated as The Gimp ? I don't know about as good as (having never used iPhoto), but f-spot is similar I think, and there's also digikam. F-spot should already be in your applications menu and digikam is presumably in add/remove programs. Can't find f-spot except on the web whence I have failed to download because I don't know what to do with the tar file etc. From the description, it looks as if it might be what we are looking for. The digiKam seems to be for Kububtu. Neither are in my add/remove. Help please. If I Get a mac mini will it hold Ubuntu as well as Tiger at the same time. Or can I just have Ubuntu on it ? Or what alternatives are there ? Please keep answers simple. You can have both on, or just Ubuntu. I've not tried either. There is a step by step guide to have both Ubuntu and Tiger at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini I'm not sure how easy it is to follow but feel free to mail the list with any specific questions. Regards, Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Ubuntu on to a Mac mini
On 4/23/07, Phil Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robin, On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 09:47 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: [...] Can't find f-spot except on the web whence I have failed to download because I don't know what to do with the tar file etc. From the description, it looks as if it might be what we are looking for. The digiKam seems to be for Kububtu. Neither are in my add/remove. Help please. F-Spot should be installed by default on the latest releases of Ubuntu (Edgy, Feisty), and should be available from Applications = Graphics = F-Spot Photo Manager. If it isn't installed, and isn't shown in the 'Graphics' section of 'Add/Remove...': 1. Click System = Administration = Synaptic Package Manager and type your password if prompted. 2. Click 'Search' and search for 'f-spot'. 3. When you get the search results, right-click the 'f-spot' item and click 'Mark for Installation'. 4. Click 'Apply' to install it. Hope this helps, Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull Done wot you said and got *no package is selected* so am unable to apply Sorry to be difficult. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Ubuntu on to a Mac mini
On 4/22/07, Dean Sas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: Sorry you're beyond me. Two questions to start. We like iphoto and are nowwhere near photoshop in experitse. Is there something in Ubuntu as good as iPhoto without being as complicated as The Gimp ? I don't know about as good as (having never used iPhoto), but f-spot is similar I think, and there's also digikam. F-spot should already be in your applications menu and digikam is presumably in add/remove programs. If I Get a mac mini will it hold Ubuntu as well as Tiger at the same time. Or can I just have Ubuntu on it ? Or what alternatives are there ? Please keep answers simple. You can have both on, or just Ubuntu. I've not tried either. There is a step by step guide to have both Ubuntu and Tiger at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mac_mini I'm not sure how easy it is to follow but feel free to mail the list with any specific questions. Regards, Dean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Thank you for your very clear answer, most helpful. We find, as thickies, that iphoto is both powerful and simple to operate and it is the only bit of mac that we are in two minds of abandoning. The mac mini won't turn up for some weeks. I'll keep in touch via this list. Ta again. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Loading Ubuntu on to a Mac mini
It seems likely that I will acquire a new Mac mini, What's the procedure for using Ubuntu on it and can I run it at the same time as Tiger. Do I get a disc or do I download it from the web ? Would a different version of Linux suit Mac better, if so what ? I have no interest in electronic music or games and spend most of my time in OOo, dull but essential for life. As a thickie, ought I to surrrender and get someone else to do it for me. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Loading Ubuntu on to a Mac mini
On 4/21/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's an old PowerPC mac, you'll need this image: http://gb.cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.04/release/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-powerpc.iso( http://gb.cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.04/release/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-powerpc.iso.torrentfor the torrent) If its a new intel one, you'll need this one: http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso (http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent for the torrent) On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 18:50 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: It seems likely that I will acquire a new Mac mini, What's the procedure for using Ubuntu on it and can I run it at the same time as Tiger. Do I get a disc or do I download it from the web ? Would a different version of Linux suit Mac better, if so what ? I have no interest in electronic music or games and spend most of my time in OOo, dull but essential for life. As a thickie, ought I to surrrender and get someone else to do it for me. -- Alec Wright M: 07749884274 It'll be a brand new basic intel version. Sorry but wot's an image and wot does one do with it. Surely it is nothing to do with a mirror which I understand issues programs on the web. ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Orange broadband
On 4/19/07, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's notoriously difficult to say my favourite broadband supplier is, given that most people have experience of at most 2 J I've not been an IT consultant for a while, but still keep in touch with former clients: - Personally, I use Eclipse, because they are able to provide me with a block of 8 static IP addresses at no extra charge – (subject to my filling in a RIPE form demonstrating why I need them) – however, they're not so great I'd recommend them for normal home use. - One of my clients uses Nildram for about 200 home-based workers, and seems very happy with them. - My brother uses TalkTalk and finds them VERY cheap, but has had reliability problems. - Another client uses BT Internet and finds them very good (which certainly was not the case about 3 years ago!) I'd suggest a look at www.adslguide.org.uk which is a rate my supplier site and therefore aggregates large numbers of customer experiences. Over the past six months, Virgin has consistently outperformed Orange…. but Nildram has consistently outperformed Virgin on speed, reliability AND customer service. Personally, given the price of them nowadays, I'd always get a router, at which point it really doesn't matter whether they provide Windows software – if your router can connect, then your linux machines can. Regards, Mark -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lee Tambiah *Sent:* 19 April 2007 13:33 *To:* British Ubuntu Talk *Subject:* Re: [ubuntu-uk] Orange broadband On 4/19/07, *Dianne Reuby* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a good report on Orange broadband, from someone who uses it to run his business. But the CD only list Windows, and website requirements state Windows. I've asked about Linux, but while I wait for a reply, does anyone else use Orange broadband with Ubuntu? TIA Dianne Reuby Ive heard the complete opposite, I've heard Orange isn't very good has a lot of drop outs, if you can do so choose Virgin Media which was once Telewest Broadband(blueyonder), they provide a very good connection. In my opnion the best one out there! You will have no problems with Linux detecting it either. It took Orange nearly 5 weeks just to replace a lightning-struck box despite constant abortive phoning. Never again. With Eclipse now ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !
On 4/19/07, Nik Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-April/000102.html I imagine it will be duplicated across the lists but for those on this list not following the Announce list you may want to know its currently officially released and you should be able to grab images, update installations and generally update your Ubuntu urges right now. Nik Wouldn't it be better for us thickies to wait until we are offered an automatic update in the usual way ? ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fiesty Fawn Formally Freed for Future fetching !
On 4/19/07, Terence Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: On 4/19/07, *Nik Butler* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2007-April/000102.html I imagine it will be duplicated across the lists but for those on this list not following the Announce list you may want to know its currently officially released and you should be able to grab images, update installations and generally update your Ubuntu urges right now. Nik Wouldn't it be better for us thickies to wait until we are offered an automatic update in the usual way ? ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ You should be receiving the notice of a new version now. (tho you may want to change to some other mirrors as the ubuntu servers are being slapped about atm) Tez -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Why should I want to change to 'some other mirrors' ? Wot's atm ? My Ubuntu seems to be working alright although having some minor problems with OOo Draw. I presume that unless I have good reason not to, I just wait for automatic update, and follow the instructions as usual ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] OOo Draw - expanding points menu
About a month ago, two of you kindly responded to solve my problem with OOo Draw where I cannot raise the points sub-menu by clicking on the Points icon. Quite correctly you suggested my goining into Edit Points which worked. Now (returning to it after a while) I can't even get that to work and I've no note of the kind person who helped me last time. Almost makes me think kindly of WIN or perhaps it doesn't have Draw. Help please. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Forgot his password after installing Ubuntu
On 4/12/07, Eamonn Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/12/07, Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a colleague who had help from a friend (more knowledgeable than I am) in loading Ubuntu from the web via apple-mac and a PC emulation. Between the two of them, they have forgotten the Ubuntu password and don't think that either wrote it down. Is the only solution to load it again, or is there a simple (it's got to be thickie-proof) short cut? If a new load is the only route, presumably,by default, it overwrites the earlier install? Will Ubuntu go easily on or with Tiger/Leopard ? I would have thought that Ubuntu would co-exist happier with Unix-based Tiger than on a PC-emulation I believe (I'm not at Ubuntu right now) that you can choose the recovery option on the bootup screen and then run the following at the # prompt: passwd username substituting username for the person's account name. That'll let you create a new password. That's not too hard, is it? -Eamonn -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Thank you - i've experimented with my machine and it seemed to work ok - in fear and trembling in case I did anything wrong - and had to guess to type exit, Now to talk with my colleague -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Forgot his password after installing Ubuntu
I have a colleague who had help from a friend (more knowledgeable than I am) in loading Ubuntu from the web via apple-mac and a PC emulation. Between the two of them, they have forgotten the Ubuntu password and don't think that either wrote it down. Is the only solution to load it again, or is there a simple (it's got to be thickie-proof) short cut? If a new load is the only route, presumably,by default, it overwrites the earlier install? Will Ubuntu go easily on or with Tiger/Leopard ? I would have thought that Ubuntu would co-exist happier with Unix-based Tiger than on a PC-emulation -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org
On 4/9/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the original poster, I am glad you like the site. As ever, all constructive criticsm is welcomed, so I shall contact the sites authors on the forum (http://www.nuxified.org/forum/105, incase you should wish to visit :)) Thanks Ben Webb The site referred to above is the best I've seen but why has it taken nearly a year's use of ubuntu for me to find it? And I wouldn't but for this list. The message which attracted me to ubuntu was (keep it brief simple): Free program Free advice from volunteers Free software libraries Free automatic updates Free virus protection And freedom of choice The penguin to me symbolises these points. Since ubuntu was installed for me, I have been favourably impressed by its friendly and helpful interface. Hope this helps Free updates ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org
On 4/9/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/9/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As the original poster, I am glad you like the site. As ever, all constructive criticsm is welcomed, so I shall contact the sites authors on the forum (http://www.nuxified.org/forum/105 , incase you should wish to visit :)) Thanks Ben Webb The site referred to above is the best I've seen but why has it taken nearly a year's use of ubuntu for me to find it? And I wouldn't but for this list. The message which attracted me to ubuntu was (keep it brief simple): Free program Free advice from volunteers Free software libraries Free automatic updates Free virus protection And freedom of choice Any comments on these bullet points,. please ? The penguin to me symbolises these points. Since ubuntu was installed for me, I have been favourably impressed by its friendly and helpful interface. Hope this helps Again, I'm glad you like the site. Part of the reason that you have not seen it until know, is because it has not been around long. Secondly, the GetGNULinux campaign is yet to really kick off. If you want to help promote the site and Linux itself, please consider using one of these Get Linux buttons on your website/blog: http://planet.getgnulinux.org/help Please would people let me know whether or not they would consider using one of these. If you would use one of the buttons, please do. If you do use one, I would love to know. Regards, Ben Webb Wouldn't know how to put a Linux button on my website/blog, or even that I had one ? Is www.cornishhedges.com anything to do with this ? ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 4/1/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 10:05 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: I personally am happy, for the moment, to stand on the side lines of the exotic discussions that go on because they are sampling what may happen to me in the future (providing my thickie problems are solved for me when I ask for help). This is a great way of increasing your knowledge and for getting an idea for how to contribute to the collective wisdom. But to someone coming fresh to the computer world, who are potentially the vast majority, the exotic discussions could be very discouraging. Possibly the dedicated telephone support would be taken up more enthusiastically by the average poor communicator. After all we all have to start by asking if the power is switched on at the wall. Online, the support's nearly always out there, but it's getting all sorts of new people knowing it's there, how to find it, and make the most of it, that might need looking in to. The first problem is identifying the Senior's wishes and requirements (they are not necessarily the same) and the process of their change with their progress. As I've said before, there are at least 2 different groups. Those who aren't afraid of computers, having played games or helped grandchildren to play games, are an easier group who will be happy with the free advice and updates (I still get a thrill from my automatic updates, there's someone out there looking after me without my asking). An improved access to free programs is needed. Probably this group would have to be weaned off Windows. The other group, with far more potential, are those who have never touched a keyboard and who have a hidden fear of all the things that the media reports as going wrong. To them, Ubuntu must be welcomed as a friend with benevolent backup as part of the initial installation. To them, the only thing that goes wrong is Windows (they will have heard about that). Ubuntu must be presented to the world and being different, warm and friendly. cuddly and secure. There must be an address that comes up with the first and deffault desktop which provides avuncular support for very nervoous thickies. Perhaps 50 volunteers accessed via a common address so that at any one time someone is on call. Little is worse than a hungup machine that one just looks at with helpless horror. Even when it is hung up, the thickie must have a nice message giving the phone number. They will need a version of OOo that is as simple to OOo as iphoto is to photoshop. Dia is a good example except that some of the help manual needs to be put in to plain english (much of it is very good), Inkscape is too complex for the new thickie.We should aspire to getting them on to OOo including the spreadsheet which those with money to look after will love. Many Seniors are volunteers in some form of worthy ( unworthy) organisations who are usually looking for someone to do the paperwork. Some seniors will never tackled paperwork and others will have have typists to do the keyboard stuff. Both will, in view of their age, have difficulties with typing and will need helping hands, and not just a typing tutor. Ubuntu should be presented firstly much simpler than at present. Any senior wanting to take up options will probably find them by lists like this. It's the initial plunge which is the problem Yes, there are many options, most of which still escape me, but I want to get to grips with OOo and a few other programs meeting specific needs. Complexity can be relative. Ubuntu itself can be as complicated as you want it to be - I've had people telling me that they prefer Windows because Linux is too simple! Likewise with support areas - there's so many options to choose from that you can find an area that's more at your current level. But I appreciate that part of the problem is getting there in the first place. There's also the issue of people who don't have online access at all. You've got experience with documentation, so you might have something important to say about this. You need something on paper to get Ubuntu launched on the machine, after that the phone and the machine should cope with things. Except that helps must be designed to be printed out. Some of Dia are good examples of plain english suitable for someone who knows no computer jargon (others are dreadful). OOo help is generally not good, arguments are sometimes circular. The beauty of having a Linux for Seniors initiative is that it would almost certainly include many people at different levels of competence, but with a better overall appreciation of the specific issues that its members can face (I've found, for example, that TuxPaint is THE killer Wots TuxPaint and why haven't I heard of it? app for grandparents!). It's also another option for tapping into the knowledge and skills set
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Officce
On 3/30/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 18:36 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: A problem has developed in Draw whereby the points command does not raise the points menu, so while I can move the pints (default) I cannot delete or insert points. I'm using a compaq 386 laptop and there is 2.6mb free, Help please I don't use Draw myself, but you might get some success at the OpenOffice.org support site: http://support.openoffice.org/index.html I know this will be a bit overwhelming, but many of the downloadable documents available won't fit in the space you've got left on your drive. HTH --Thank you. I've looked at OOo suport without finding my problem. It's just that when I press on the points button, the submenu doesn;t come up. ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 3/31/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 11:24 +0100, Robin Menneer wrote: On 3/30/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:54 +0100, Caroline Ford wrote: Anyway - we seem to have more women active than there are in Ubuntu-UK (!) so we must be doing something right.. There's also a women's forum at Ubuntu Forums. Someone posted here, mentioning that they were of a certain age group, and it got me thinking. I tried to follow up on doing something along the lines of Linux for Seniors (a US term, I know, but...), did a search and found very little in this area, bar a talk by someone from a US LUG. There are at least two entirely different oldie categories - those who have had prePC experience and those who have nil computer experience., even little or no keyboard exposure. The main problem I personally find is a lack of memory for even simple sequencies, and it's getting steadily worse. Being on pension one lives in fear of fouling up (soft or hard damage) the machine and having to get someone in, expensively. This is why thickie support from the Ubuntu community is so essential. You're not alone. One of my friends had a stroke a few years back. Consequently, his memory's very poor - the equivalent of about 128 meg of RAM by today's standards! I'm convinced that if you had some sort of forum that's more likely to appreciate the context of the challenges you face with your computing, you'd become less 'thickie' faster, not least because you'd benefit from, and be able to contribute to, its collective wisdom. I'm a bit disappointed with the apparent lack of any follow-up on this. I'll keep an eye out for people who might want to chase it up. I don't know about you, but the seniors I know would love to have this option. I personally am happy, for the moment, to stand on the side lines of the exotic discussions that go on because they are sampling what may happen to me in the future (providing my thickie problems are solved for me when I ask for help). But to someone coming fresh to the computer world, who are potentially the vast majority, the exotic discussions could be very discouraging. Possibly the dedicated telephone support would be taken up more enthusiastically by the average poor communicator. After all we all have to start by asking if the power is switched on at the wall. I could be wrong but we seem to cover sex, religion and some occupations, but do nothing in this area. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Officce
On 3/31/07, Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:36:26 +0100 Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A problem has developed in Draw whereby the points command does not raise the points menu, so while I can move the pints (default) I cannot delete or insert points. The toolbar can be shown again by selecting View-Toolbars-Edit Points from the menus. It works ! Many thanks. I'm using a compaq 386 laptop and there is 2.6mb free, Help please That must be an exercise in patience. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 3/30/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:54 +0100, Caroline Ford wrote: Anyway - we seem to have more women active than there are in Ubuntu-UK (!) so we must be doing something right.. There's also a women's forum at Ubuntu Forums. Someone posted here, mentioning that they were of a certain age group, and it got me thinking. I tried to follow up on doing something along the lines of Linux for Seniors (a US term, I know, but...), did a search and found very little in this area, bar a talk by someone from a US LUG. There are at least two entirely different oldie categories - those who have had prePC experience and those who have nil computer experience., even little or no keyboard exposure. The main problem I personally find is a lack of memory for even simple sequencies, and it's getting steadily worse. Being on pension one lives in fear of fouling up (soft or hard damage) the machine and having to get someone in, expensively. This is why thickie support from the Ubuntu community is so essential. I could be wrong but we seem to cover sex, religion and some occupations, but do nothing in this area. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Open Officce
A problem has developed in Draw whereby the points command does not raise the points menu, so while I can move the pints (default) I cannot delete or insert points. I'm using a compaq 386 laptop and there is 2.6mb free, Help please -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LUGs
On 3/28/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:35 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: TheVeech wrote: Just curious. Anyone a member? If so, what's yours like? I'd have thought they were a bit of a geekfest, not having been to one, but I'm probably way off the mark. Trouble is, the one for my neck of the woods is supposed to be active but its website hasn't been updated for a long time. These days, is it time better spent online? I subscribe to the AberLUG mailing list (Aberdeen) and I've found it quite useful. I've met up with a few people 1:1, but I don't attend the AberLUG meetings: A 'geekfest' sounds a rather judgmental! Don't be daft. Of course I'm not judgemental. There's nothing wrong with pointy ears (i.e. it's judgemental). I've found AberLUG members friendly, and willing to help anyone learn about Linux. This is what I'd be after. It sounds like it's a similar mood and approach to, say, the Ubuntu forums and the mailing lists, which I've found really impressive at times. I guess it's about making contact with like-minded people. I think far more people read the LUG lists than attend LUG meetings. However, the LUG meetings are what some Linux people want, so each to their own :-) I think I'd feel pretty comfortable in a crowd like that, but what about people who are still getting to grips with the 'basics' - would they benefit or would they feel a bit out of place? Not only am I trying to get to grips with the basics, I have no wish, for instance, to get involved with music. All I need is a decent word processer and drawing program like OO but stable (why isn't OO stable ?) and a few specific packages to meet passing needs, like a curvilinear graph drawing program with regression equations. These I expect to offload from the web via the desktop and not the command line. Much more than this just confuses. The sort of meeting talked about would merely be irrelevant and I would be angry if I was persuaded to travel a long way for it. Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Community distro ?
On 3/23/07, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Wood wrote: Two things have really touched a nerve with me recently and I would like to open a discussion. Firstly: [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#head-8c391b3699f3571c2aedfa7cb78adb4623206933 Feisty artwork will be designed by kwwii -- of Kubuntu Edgy and KDE Oxygen Icon fame. He will be working closely with sabdfl in the design. Do not expect community involvement in defining this portion. This seems to contradict entirely the description of ubuntu Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system - Ubuntu.com . We've struggled to get a cohesive community-directed art strategy. Despite bringing community art contributors to our developer summits, funding part-time work by community artists, and having a completely open process of contribution, we have not been able to produce a unified theme through a community lead process. We found that our approach was resulting in an environment where new artists would show up and expect to be able to lead, from scratch, a completely new theme that was to their taste. There was no clear community lead, but instead multiple fragmented efforts. Based on a deep review of our approach, we came to the conclusion that it's extremely difficult to get a core theme that is produced by multiple volunteer contributors where there is no definitive lead. By core theme I mean wallpaper, login, splash and boot splash. So, for Feisty, we are saying that there are two ways the community can contribute: 1. Develop complete themes, which we can evaluate, and if a theme emerges which is clean, consistent, complete, and of high quality then it can be included directly in Ubuntu, but not as the default. Such a theme could become the default in a future release if it wins widespread praise in the community. So far, I have not seen a theme emerge which meets these criteria. 2. Contribute to the fleshing out of a theme produced by a single, mandated designer. That designer, in this cycle, is Kwii. Folks who want to flesh out the default theme need to follow Kwii's lead. So far the Art work for Feisty has been rather doggy in my opinoin and I don't hold a huge amount of hope for it getting better. Not saying that Kwwii isn't a good artist but I don't see his art suiting the GNOME Desktop. It may turn out to be excellent but the discussion, ideas and contribution which is provided by having community involvement is going to be completely lost. We looked everywhere for artists, and in the end hired Kwii because we thought he was the best available. Secondly, why, with all the information i've been able to squeeze, won't ubuntu/canonical consider sponsoring GUADEC (GNOME User And Developer European Conference) but were willing to be Gold Sponsor of the last aKadamy ? (KDE's Conference) especially considering that GNOME is the desktop that Ubuntu and Edubuntu uses. Consider the total contribution and support we provide, in terms of full time salaries, bugs, patches, conference sponsorships, we felt that we already make a substantial contribution to GNOME and wanted to balance that with a sponsorship of KDE. These two issues I have seem to be linked by my feeling that ubuntu is an organisation who's community only has a pseudo influence over decisions that really matter. It would be in the ubuntu communities interest to be a sponsor of GUADEC and to have community involved art work. In Ubuntu, actions matter. If you really want to make an art contribution, it will be welcomed BUT it will need to be of world class standard and will need to fit in with the work being done across the whole project. I'm not sympathetic to someone upset that their single contribution does not make it in when that contribution is not aligned with the work that is already being done. We can't achieve success if we splinter and try to take a million different artistic lines. That's a tough position, but I think it's a necessary one. Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ As a newbe, albeit aged 75 and had one of the first Commodore Pets, all I want from Ubuntu is a good simple easy default package (giving me access to open source software) and would be happy to have artistic options to tempt me to other things, but only as options from the default, and they should be invisible from the default. This would not be splintering - life for Ubuntu is difficult enough already, and the default message must be kept simple. Separate packages with just a link might meet the need, but not to be financed. If they are that good they will find acceptors. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UKTeam meeting update
On 3/21/07, Michael Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: On 3/21/07, Nik Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you know there are 380 subscribers to the UK Maillist allowing for duplicates and metoo addresses thats not a small number of people chatting and sharing ideas about Ubuntu. meanwhile the IRC Channel #ubuntu-uk is growing steadily with approximately 40 members in channel at any time. The wiki ( http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam ) is growing and the information found there is a demonstration of how much we are all doing within the community. We had the 8th meeting of the UKTeam the channel last night and the topic of Roles and Contacts ( http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Contact ) , especially relating to the LOCOContact arose. I have created a new page on the wiki to detail the current roles and responsibilities. I would invite everyone to review these and if there are questions, concerns, thoughts or ideas then please get in touch here or direct to me. Id like to remind everyone reading this message that the UKTeam has a regular meeting at which only 40 members are present but in general 10 to most of the discussions. Id love to see more people around during the meetings and providing input on the Agendas or at the meeting and if you have and concerns or questions about taking part in just this way then get in touch. I appreciate we are much more a meritocracy than democracy and I really dont want to get bogged down with commitees so the purpose of the Contact page is to highlight key areas that are currently managed and give people who may wish to help an opportunity to ask for others to know your out there. That is all for now and thanks for reading. Nik Butler Ubuntu-UK -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ As an aged and thick newbe of some months standing, I'm still trying to find my way around Ubuntu. What I joined for is easier ways of doing things on my computer than I can do on my friendly mac, probably like most thickies taking on Ubuntu (Windows is a no-no for me). Probably we need a single route for absolute thickies off which they can be tempted (at different points) when they are sure of themselves. Just a reminder, you can learn about getting on IRC using this screen case made by our very own Alan Pope: http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/Installing_and_Using_XChat-Gnome Or if you wish to use Gaim: http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/Connecting_to_IRC_Using_GAIM if you have xchat-remote installed you can also do run (alt+f2) and type: xchat-remote --url=irc://irc.freenode.org/#ubuntu-uk simple as that :) Three more new methods of communicating withoiut qualifications - I'm confused now as to whether I continue looking at this list. Sorry, it ain't simple to me :( -- /\/\ichael [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] \/\/ood [ http://michaelwood.me.uk ] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 41
On 3/22/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I especially like the Get Linux button... I notice that you state We reserve all rights, however, on our graphics and logos on the website, but wondered if you considered letting people use this with a link back to your site? Maybe with a range of sizes ranging from the small button to a banner? Good for your Google rating too ;-) The sites already planning to do this! Have a look at the various buttons on http://planet.getgnulinux.org/help Would anyone consider having one of these on their website/blog, and if you do use them, please let us know. Thanks for your feedback Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Where's the penguin flown to ? That I would be inclined to use. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 41
On 3/22/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/03/07, Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/22/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I especially like the Get Linux button... I notice that you state We reserve all rights, however, on our graphics and logos on the website, but wondered if you considered letting people use this with a link back to your site? Maybe with a range of sizes ranging from the small button to a banner? Good for your Google rating too ;-) The sites already planning to do this! Have a look at the various buttons on http://planet.getgnulinux.org/help Would anyone consider having one of these on their website/blog, and if you do use them, please let us know. Thanks for your feedback Ben Webb Where's the penguin flown to ? That I would be inclined to use. The site's owners don't really like Tux, from what I've heard - they think it makes the Operating System look too amateurish. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ The penguin is the Linux industry emblem and respected as such in my view. Why throw away something that is good. We shouild all sing from the same hym sheet. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
On 3/19/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TheVeech wrote: I'm still trying to find out what's common knowledge and what people have overlooked in the Ubuntu world (for a future project). It looks like there is very little that everyone knows, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me know how helpful you find the following, and if you already knew any of it (apologies for the attachments, but I haven't got the time to put up a web page right now)... Some Laptop configs -- 1) Disable touchpad clicking: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad My xorg.conf (Do a backup of the original first): sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf The relevant bit: Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics Touchpad Driver synaptics Option SendCoreEventstrue Option Device/dev/psaux Option Protocol auto-dev Option HorizScrollDelta 0 #new stuff Option SHMConfig on Option TappingOff1 Option MaxTapTime0 EndSection Restart X, reboot, or whatever, and you should be good to go! Did not know about the above. I'll try it as I think I would find it useful, especially if it means I can safely turn on single click in Nautilus. You might also want to try http://gsynaptics.sourceforge.jp/ It was in the repositories last time I looked. It's a bit unnecessary, though, because the above should do it. 2) Making the most of screen space Seeing as though you use a laptop, you might also benefit from the following. Here's a (cropped) screenshot of my Desktop to give you some ideas for modifying yours. You'll notice I've only got one panel, but it works quite well. First off, I unlocked all the essential bits of the bottom panel, moved them to the top one, and then deleted the bottom panel. Then I changed the Ubuntu menu with (IIRC) the 'main menu' option in the 'add to panel' dialogue - See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Applets . I also used a number of drawers (see second screenshot) for my main applications (if you look closely, you'll see on a few of the panel icons a small black blob at about 7 o'clock - they're the drawers. I set the all my system fonts to 7 points System Preferences Font Then I set the size of the panel to 18 (right-click on the panel and select 'properties'). Then, I just experimented with the options until I got what I wanted. It looks very cramped when you've been using the default set up, but once you get accustomed to a set up like this, everything's nice and close together. I was aware you could do all of the above, but I've never been bothered by the amount of screen space available to me on my laptop. I tend to run most apps filling the screen available. 3) Desktop icons If you want to enable desktop icons for your 'home', 'document, and 'trash' icons, try this: Open Terminal (Applications Accessories Terminal) and type: gconf-editor In this program, go to: apps nautilus desktop Tick whatever icons you want to show on your desktop. Yes, I knew about this and have used it on all my machines. Thanks for the tips. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
On 3/18/07, TheVeech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 16:46 +, Chris Rowson wrote: Hi there folks, I've just subscribed to the list, and thought it'd be a good idea to say hello! Hi Chris. My name is Chris, I hail from East Yorkshire, and I've been using Ubuntu for a while now. I use Ubuntu at home, on the computer of anyone who I can convince to switch from Windows, and on a few servers at work. Similar here. I also offer free installs for anyone in my area who wants to 'migrate'. This being time-consuming is the only problem, because it's easy enough to do when you've done it once. I like to help out with support, and I'm currently learning python so as to help contribute along those lines too. Excellent! I'm in the process of writing a list of software, primarily for beginners, on the wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Software If you like supporting, maybe you could email me details and screenshots of some of the projects that I haven't got round to yet, and I'll put them up. Specifically, the pages are (currently) including the following info: = Brief Intro = A few sentences describing the project. = Key Features = What are the main aspects of it? = Installation = Is the program part of the default installation? If not, what's the installation name? = Hints and Tips = Any interesting and helpful tips for using or configuring the program? Hi Chris The main point is whether I have to use the command line (gives me the horrors), or setting up is no more than a coiuple of clicks away, the latter I can usually cope with. The difference is extra programming which one hopes the package author will tolerate for the sake of us thickies. Am I crying for the moon ? Other applications you may wish to look at = Similar applications, or applications that perform complimentary tasks. = Further Reading = The software's website, any Ubuntu documentation about it or what it does, along with any other documentation that's outside of the Ubuntu sites. At the moment it's all a bit threadbare, but I'll pad it out when time permits. Hope you can help. If not, there's plenty of other ways to make your contribution count, and you sound like one of those people who wants to do this, which is always good news. Erm, can't think of much else to say right now, so hello! LOL. Hello again! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
On 3/19/07, Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/03/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked out the ubuntuforums.org earlier today to see whether or not there was a UK LoCo section there. I was a little surprised to read that the mailing list had voted not to have a presence at ubuntuforums.org and I have a little difficulty understanding why. Surely in this day and age, forums are a viable alternative to mailing lists, and even preferable in some situations. I wondered if the decision to opt out of ubuntuforums.org was influenced by a fear of such a presence damaging the usage of the mailing list. Whilst I can see why this might be a slap in the face to people who have invested so much time into building up the mailing list, surely if people would prefer to communicate through the forums, it'd be a good idea to use them and 'grow' the community. I am - I know making the assumption that people prefer forums, but I think in general this assumption seems to be true. Where mailing lists are the mainstay of open source and linux communication I think forums would give the group a higher profile and encourage a far greater interaction with the community. Does anyone else agree or am I alone? Is there any harm in requesting a UK LoCo forum? Chris I have been asked why I do not help folks in the forums of another OSS project I develop for before and this was my general answer: 'I can filter and manage inbound mail far easier than browsing forums and more often than not I can pick and choose what to look at higher speeds on my local drive using searches rather than in a forum where I am held back by server/connection speeds. It is also far easier to track my responses via sent mail items rather than trying to track anything on a forum.' Time is also a massive issue. Personally I have bill paying work, OSS work and what I a laughingly call a life away from computers (a beer or ten occasionally :-D). So reading so many messages across many support platforms just ain't feasible! Regards Phil Phil Im happy with this list provided it stays in its present form. Had a look at Gmane and don't like it. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
On 3/19/07, Ben Thorp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil Im happy with this list provided it stays in its present form. Had a look at Gmane and don't like it. Robin Another possibility (not that I've read the rest of this thread properly, so I'm sorry if it's already come up) is mail2forum (http://www.mail2forum.com/forums/index.php ) which allows people to interact with a list either through email or through a phpbb forum. (I know phpbb is not the be-all and end-all, but it just happens to the be the forum software in this case). Essentially it should mean that the current format does not change, and those who like the mailing list can still access it, but there is an alternative way to access it for those who prefer forums. Ben Ben Please, if it ain't broke, don't fix it ! Robin Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
On 3/18/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there folks, I've just subscribed to the list, and thought it'd be a good idea to say hello! My name is Chris, I hail from East Yorkshire, and I've been using Ubuntu for a while now. I use Ubuntu at home, on the computer of anyone who I can convince to switch from Windows, and on a few servers at work. I like to help out with support, and I'm currently learning python so as to help contribute along those lines too. When I open a file, often it comes up behind the browser instead of in front. How do I remedy this, please. Being a thickie, I forget to look behind and assume that it has not been opened, so I do it again. Erm, can't think of much else to say right now, so hello! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 26
On 3/17/07, Pete Ryland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/03/07, Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Take a look at some of the following links: http://www.gnomefiles.org/ http://www.kde-apps.org/ http://www.osalt.com/ http://linuxappfinder.com/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Software Thank you for these fruitful addresses which I would like to have had thrown at me when I first joined Ubuntu. Are there others lurking out there unknown except to to those who know too much for them to be of use ? Us thickies are more helpless than often realised. The obvious one is probably Freshmeat: Thanks Pete. At first glance, the descriptions are too complicated (I don't need to know if it is written in B+ or Anaconda) and give little idea of the use that can be made of the program. Will delve further when less busy. http://freshmeat.net/ Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband connection with Eclipse
On 3/5/07, Wulfy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: On 3/5/07, Dave Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know what the make and model of the 'black box' is? Yes. It's labelled Speed Touch 330 made by Thomson Telecom. Try this: http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html It worked for me and I have that modem from Tiscali... use the instructions for Dapper if you have Edgy... I've looked at it and it is too advanced for me but I am passing it on to my webmaster in hopes. Many thanks -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Broadband connection with Eclipse
Having had Orange take five weeks (and dozens of phone calls) to replace their white box after an ordinary lightning strike, I have moved to Eclipse. Their black box works ok with my mac mini but my webmaster tells me that it won't work with Ubuntu on my Compaq laptop (which worked ok with Orange) and that I will have to buy a different box costing in excess of £30. I'm on broadband with non-wireless USB connections. Help please... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband connection with Eclipse
On 3/5/07, Ben Thorp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the long run you are probably better off owning your own modem/router anyway. They're reasonably cheap (although they are in excess of £30), but what you sacrifice in terms of price you gain in terms of functionality - the reason that many boxes don't work with Linux is because the hardware they contain is unable to do all the work itself - it requires some clever pieces of proprietary software to acheive full function. A normal router (or even just an ADSL modem, which might be a cheap option if you only want 1 port) will work over Ethernet, and all the hard work will be performed by the hardware itself, which is a preferable situation anyway. Am being a bit dumb. I need (and will need) only one connection to the web so shouild I get a router or an ADSL modem or what ? and do I presume Belbin is ok although they have a lousy power plug socket in the USB dock which I have. We are prone to lightning here and I take care to disconnect the phone socket but obviously would rather be protected electronically. Thanks for your interest. One option (as hinted above) might be to get an ADSL modem, which will usually have an ethernet port on the back, which you could then swap between your 2 boxes (the mini and the laptop) and then, at a later date, you could buy yourself a router, thus expanding your network. This would allow you to split the cost into 2 smaller outlays. HTH mrben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/03/2007 14:54:52: Having had Orange take five weeks (and dozens of phone calls) to replace their white box after an ordinary lightning strike, I have moved to Eclipse. Their black box works ok with my mac mini but my webmaster tells me that it won't work with Ubuntu on my Compaq laptop (which worked ok with Orange) and that I will have to buy a different box costing in excess of £30. I'm on broadband with non-wireless USB connections. Help please... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband connection with Eclipse
On 3/5/07, Samuel Toogood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Menneer wrote: On 3/5/07, Dave Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robin, Did 'webmaster' tell you why it will not work with Ubuntu? No ! Do you know what the make and model of the 'black box' is? Yes. It's labelled Speed Touch 330 made by Thomson Telecom. T Does this 'black box' have a network cable port (RJ-45) (pic: http://www.offspringtech.com/images/big/COUPL-RJ45.jpg). It's bigger than a normal telephone connection. If so, that is definitely the preferable option. It has two connections: a tiny plug to the landline and a cable with a USB plug on the other to the computer, and is working on my mac as I type. Kind Regards, Daviey On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 14:54 +, Robin Menneer wrote: Having had Orange take five weeks (and dozens of phone calls) to replace their white box after an ordinary lightning strike, I have moved to Eclipse. Their black box works ok with my mac mini but my webmaster tells me that it won't work with Ubuntu on my Compaq laptop (which worked ok with Orange) and that I will have to buy a different box costing in excess of £30. I'm on broadband with non-wireless USB connections. Help please... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ An ADSL router is better (more reliable, can connect more than one computer at once etc), but you should be able to use the box you've been given. Take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo. Hope this helps, Sam Thank you. I've had a look at it and it's a bit complicated for me so I'll pass it on to my webmaster. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Curve-fitting program or package (a gnuplot example)
On 2/25/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, Robin Menneer wrote: In the instructions to install gnuplot there is a gap at the beginning. I could not find how to start installing despite reading the doc file README as suggested. I've never used apt and similar commands, having been using only fortran and basic and kept away from machine code. Is grace any easier - it seems to be but I could not fathom out how to load it. Use Synaptic! Search for gnuplot and then install it. Presumably, you've used Synaptic before to install stuff? This is the first time I've tried to use Synaptic Search and have got as far as being asked for a package but failed to get the files listed by you. I've got the .tar file into desktop but failed to link it up with Synaptic. It's no good people raving about weaning ordinary folk out of windows if they are subsequently let loose in such unfriendly territory. You will ned packages gnuplot, gnuplot-nox and gnuplot-x11 (for seeing graphs on the screen). gnuplot-doc is probably essential. Not sure about grace. I think I may have tried it some years ago. Have you considered the graphing available to you in OpenOffice SpreadSheet? It may do something simple to get you going. I find OpenOffice very satisfying, using it more than anything else, and at first reading, the graphing (charting) facility in OO draws graphs but when I looked into it in detail (and on several occasions because of my finding), I came to the conclusion that one axis has to be discontinuous (like a bar chart) so I can't plot a proper curve on it. Your reply brings me hope that I am wrong. Thank you for your attention, Thinking about it, I think you are right. And that was the reason I installed gnuplot, 'cos I had X,Y pairs I needed to plot. gnuplot is run in a terminal and has a command line interface, so it does take a bit of learning to get used to it. Having used DOS for many years, I am not afraid of the concept of using terminal, but just of the brute force that i may mistakedly misdirect in my ignorance. The warning in Synaptic *You can render your system unusable* frightens the life out of me. I'd rather abandon Ubuntu than foul up my machine. Thanks, Robin Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Curve-fitting program or package (a gnuplot example)
On 2/25/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, Robin Menneer wrote: I've spent all day looking at loading gnuplot and fityk as well as a dozen of other curvefitting packages on the web including xplot and have found none that are simple enouigh for me to install without my risking messing my memory/files up. What do you mean by these packages messing up your memory/files? I've installed gnuplot using apt-get install gnuplot without anything being messed up so far as I can see. In the instructions to install gnuplot there is a gap at the beginning. I could not find how to start installing despite reading the doc file README as suggested. I've never used apt and similar commands, having been using only fortran and basic and kept away from machine code. Is grace any easier - it seems to be but I could not fathom out how to load it. Has nobody cleaned up a curvefiitting program in Ubuntu sufficiently for a thickie to run ? My plea is that if you can write the instructions logically on a bit of paper, then they are programmable. Arn't there things called macros that are supposed to help in these instances ? I can't be the only thickie in the world, just one that complains instead of staying within the windows camp, or just ops out. Have you considered the graphing available to you in OpenOffice SpreadSheet? It may do something simple to get you going. I find OpenOffice very satisfying, using it more than anything else, and at first reading, the graphing (charting) facility in OO draws graphs but when I looked into it in detail (and on several occasions because of my finding), I came to the conclusion that one axis has to be discontinuous (like a bar chart) so I can't plot a proper curve on it. Your reply brings me hope that I am wrong. Thank you for your attention, Robin Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Curve-fitting program or package
I have a problem with fitting a curve to some data and would like help please. The data are: x=375, 375, 375, 355, 315, 268,195, 110, 0 y=2500, 2150, 1920, 1600, 1250, 936, 624, 312, 0 I need a program that will draw a line of best fit (for me to print) according to different parameters,, especially log and power and find the best for me, and give me the equation for it. I notice that there is a curve fitting program for windows and assume that naturally there is also one, somewhat better, for Uuntu. Please will someone tell me how to get and use it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Curve-fitting program or package
On 2/24/07, Phil Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robin, On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 17:54 +, Robin Menneer wrote: I have a problem with fitting a curve to some data and would like help please. The data are: x=375, 375, 375, 355, 315, 268,195, 110, 0 y=2500, 2150, 1920, 1600, 1250, 936, 624, 312, 0 I need a program that will draw a line of best fit (for me to print) according to different parameters,, especially log and power and find the best for me, and give me the equation for it. I notice that there is a curve fitting program for windows and assume that naturally there is also one, somewhat better, for Uuntu. Please will someone tell me how to get and use it. I use Fityk. It can be a bit tricky to get an equation out of the data, as all it gives you are the values it derives for the variables of the fitting function you use. Also, it can only print basic graphs. I have a blog post up about it, including some basic instructions [1]. What does the data relate to? It might not be valid to try and describe all of the data with one function. Thanks, Phil [1] - http://philbull.livejournal.com/20243.html I've had a brief look at your paper and the Fityk site and it looks very useful - it's too late for me to look at it this evening. I'm no academic, aged 75 and did a small bit non-parametic stats 35 years ago, which I've forgotten. What we have is the profile of a Cornish hedge. You can see the curve in the sides of the Guild of Cornish Hedgers' logo at www.cornishhedges.com. The data listed above relate to one side of the hedge. Some of the graphing points we know, and we have drawn by pencil on paper a graph by interpolation. We have derived the data by direct measurement from this graph. I need to convert this amateurish effort into an equation that I can then use to print out a curve from it, and to have the equation to hand for people who ask what it's like, and to print out for themselves. There is also the engineering aspect because the curve acts like an arch on its side, locking itself as the hedge settles. I hope this answers youir query. Kind regards, Robin -- Phil Bull http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Curve-fitting program or package (a gnuplot example)
On 2/24/07, Andrew Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/02/07 17:54, Robin Menneer wrote: I have a problem with fitting a curve to some data and would like help please. The data are: x=375, 375, 375, 355, 315, 268,195, 110, 0 y=2500, 2150, 1920, 1600, 1250, 936, 624, 312, 0 I need a program that will draw a line of best fit (for me to print) according to different parameters,, especially log and power and find the best for me, and give me the equation for it. gnuplot seems like a good tool for this job. It's a tool with a wide range of options and commands so it can seem a bit daunting to use it for the first time (I should know, I used it for the first time today :)) Anyway, here's an example of how to do it (I'm assuming you've already installed the gnuplot package): Put your X and Y data in a text file in columns like: 3752500 3752150 3751920 3551600 3151250 268936 195624 110312 0 0 Then open a terminal and go to the directory with the data file in it and run gnuplot: $ cd /path/tomy/datafile/dir/ $ gnuplot Once you're in the gnuplot shell, tell it to plot columns 1 and 2 as x and y respectively, giving the curve a title: gnuplot plot mydatafile.dat using 1:2 title 'Data' smooth csplines Removing smooth csplines would make gnuplot plot each individual point without a curve, replacing csplines with unique joins the dots. A whole range more options can be found in the documentation [1]. If you want to plot the data to an image file, precede the plot command with something like these two commands: gnuplot set terminal png gnuplot set output 'mygraph.png' For a list of other output file types, just type 'set terminal' without an option. (Don't let the command line nature of this daunt you, it's pretty simple and tutorials like [2] and demos like [3] show you how powerful it can be) [1] http://www.gnuplot.info/docs/gnuplot.html [2] http://www.duke.edu/~hpgavin/gnuplot.html [3] http://www.gnuplot.info/demo/simple.html Hope this helps. -- Andy Price IRC: welshbyte http://andrewprice.me.uk Thanks - it does look daunting and I'll need a quiet afternoon (or day ?) to puzzle my way through it. Many Thanks Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again
On 2/21/07, Toby Smithe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:35 +, baza wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote: My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window, not in front of it. How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, the new file opens in front ? Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some kind of imbecile, that is not my intention.. I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a window (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the resulting program to finish loading, but instead clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a third time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This causes the desktop focus to be trained on that window and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears behind the current one. Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree? Cheers, Al. It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's annoying eh? Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm. -- Help me get to Venezuela! http://tibsplace.co.uk/venezuela You''re quite right in treating me as an imbecile - my complaint is that Ubuntu shouldn't allow me to do this - or make it plain to me that the desktop is click-sensitive. Without your help, I'd never have guessed as I tend to click once or twice randomly. What are the occasions when two clicks are needed and when one, please ? Ta very much. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again
On 2/22/07, Steve Spiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toby Smithe wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:35 +, baza wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 22:30 +, Alan Pope wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:05:57PM +, Robin Menneer wrote: My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window, not in front of it. How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, the new file opens in front ? Forgive me if what I am about to suggest implies that you are some kind of imbecile, that is not my intention.. I have seen this problem occur when a user double clicks an icon in a window (such as a file in a nautilus file browser) and doesn't wait for the resulting program to finish loading, but instead clicks again somewhere in that same window. This could be clicking a third time on the icon in question, or maybe clicking somewhere else. This causes the desktop focus to be trained on that window and not the new one appearing, so the new one appears behind the current one. Could that be it or am I barking up the wrong tree? Cheers, Al. It's not you. Mine has started doing this since I installed Beryl. It's annoying eh? Yes - focus stealing prevention in Beryl is pretty broken atm. Been lurking for a while, first time I had an answer for a problem! I'm at work now so can't tell you exactly where to look, but in the settings manager there is a setting for focus stealing prevention - set it to none and the problem goes away. Or at least it did for me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Sorry, but there is no menu heading for *settings manager* ! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again
On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, Robin Menneer wrote: You''re quite right in treating me as an imbecile - my complaint is that Ubuntu shouldn't allow me to do this - or make it plain to me that the desktop is click-sensitive. Without your help, I'd never have guessed as I tend to click once or twice randomly. What are the occasions when two clicks are needed and when one, please ? Ta very much. I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus file browser need a double click. I've probably missed something but that covers quite a lot! Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold Thanks - it's more complicated than I feared and lets Ubuntu down badly. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again
On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, Robin Menneer wrote: I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus file browser need a double click. I've probably missed something but that covers quite a lot! Thanks - it's more complicated than I feared and lets Ubuntu down badly. I think the issue is Nautilus! Pretty much everything is single click except the things controlled by Nautilus which is the desk top and the file browser. At least that is the default setting. It is possible to configure nautilus to use a single click and then I'm pretty sure everything is a single click (there may be some exceptions such as navigating in a 'open file' dialogue box). I think it is set this way so that new/inexperienced users don't accidentally open things up from the desk top etc by random clicking, ironically enough! Is the answer to configure nautilus so that everything is single click? If so, how is it done and why isn't a single click set up as default - inexpereinced imbeciles are only confused with the unknown choice of one or two ? Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again
On 2/22/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/02/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear. [snip] I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier: Open a folder window, click view-preferences select the Behaviour tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single click to activate items'. (only tried it on 6.06) Andy Because it is simple and easy, I've tried it. Ok except it is under edit and not view, only to find it is set to single click already. Will try Tony Arnold's method when I have some peace. Ta again. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again
On 2/22/07, Dean Sas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Menneer wrote: On 2/22/07, Tony Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, Robin Menneer wrote: I'm not sure if this is a complete description, but items on the desk top require a double click in a default Ubuntu set-up. Menus and stuff on the top and bottom panel need only a single click. Links in WEB browsers and mailers only need a single click. Files etc in the nautilus file browser need a double click. Is the answer to configure nautilus so that everything is single click? If so, how is it done and why isn't a single click set up as default - inexpereinced imbeciles are only confused with the unknown choice of one or two ? I consider myself an experienced user and I still use single-click and would prefer it to be default, it's easier when using a laptop touchpad for one thing. I've noticed inexperienced users often either double clicking everything in sight - including the web or random clicking. The reason why we have double click by default, is apparently because inexperienced users apparently have trouble managing files (moving and deleting etc) in single click mode, often opening them when meaning to select them. Once nautilus is in single click mode, the only double click items are the open/save dialogues and the odd thing such as playing a selected music track in rhythmbox. The open/save dialogue annoys me greatly when I have to use it. This clears things up muchly. Trouble is that I don't take (nor want to take) the trouible to distingush the open/save from the rest of the commands. Surely this is something the experts can tweak for us imbeciles ? dsas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF3d3ieedO8dcp9nYRAgPtAJwP4XgWR0fV9tI5LyLPNy5J44deDwCglZcX GntPi6zE6+qHDD4ttjFbSfs= =aJKX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Lost again
My ubutu has an unwelcome of opening new files behind the current window, not in front of it. How do I reverse this, please,so that by default, the new file opens in front ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Awareness-Raising Campaign Idea (was Ubuntu CNR deal)
On 2/12/07, James Tait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We have to ask ourselves why we use Linux over other OS's and why ubuntu over other distro's. I think you will find many different answers. I don't mean to hijack this thread, but this has hit upon something that's been bubbling up in my brain and I think it's appropriate to share it with the rest of the list. I have a vision of an awareness-raising advertising campaign based around why we choose to use FLOSS and possibly why we chose Ubuntu in particular. You know how sometimes someone will ask you why you do something, you give a long-winded explanation, qualify it with an example... then sum it up with something like It's a bloke thing.? I thought something like that would make for a catchy tag line and I came up with a few: It's a standards thing. It's an openness thing. It's a freedom thing. It's a security thing. It's a stability thing. It's a community thing. I think the latter is especially relevant to Ubuntu. I've had a think about the content of some of them too. The biggest problem I have is actually making them happen -- I can't draw for toffee, so I doubt I'd be able to storyboard them very well. I might be able to explain the ideas to someone who could though. What do people think about this kind of campaign? They could take the form of short TV clips, possibly comic strips. We could have other campaign-related material like bumper stickers and leaflets with the tag lines on. I'd be more than happy to discuss my ideas if people are willing to help develop them. Cheers, JT You also need to carefully define your target eg the huge population of semi-bored computer-illiterates might be more productive than experienced-with-windows men-in-the-street ? And once they get the message, they will tell their grandchildren. -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] gimp
On 2/9/07, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: London School of Puppetry wrote: On 06/02/07, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are running with kde libraries installed I'd recommend krita the kde bitmap editor as well. I'm not running with kde libraries because I'm in ubuntu. I've had a look at krita and karbon, both recommended in these pages, but they infer that I should be using koffice. As I am using and happy with openoffice, entangling with koffice seems a large penalty for finding a sensible substitute for gimp. I'm scared off sodipodi because it is described as unstable. Am also worried by the warning *Installing these programs is highly platform specific*. Thank you very much for explaining the two uses of the word ubuntu - much is now clearer for the first time - I do wish the experts realised the problems us thickies have. We often don't get very far even when we try hard. I really think the gimp is being oversold by the community in general. It is very badly designed and doesn't do 32 bit colour. The lack of 32 bit colour led to the development of cinepaint, and the design problems are notorious. I read an online lecture on usability and all the examples of bad practice came from the gimp.. The gimp is nothing like photoshop - sorry. I think we should aim high but photoshop is far superior. I've never used paintshop pro but it's not industry standard - it's for home users. The industry standard is photoshop. The gimp *can* do some things if you know how - but often not as well. The filters in particular are really gimmicky - it feels like it was designed for computer scientists not artists. /rant One thing we really need is an equivalent of poser - i can't think of a program I'd recommend for people wanting to do animations for something such as second life. Poser makes those sort of things relatively easy. Krita is using gimp format brushes which I think is a really positive step towards making a free software standard. Photoshop compatibility is pretty much the closed source standard. I currently make free content for tuxpaint and I'm pondering making content for the gimp now that better programs are using its standards too. Apparently filters for the gimp don't work across versions (unlike photoshop which has an api i think as other programs can use photoshop filters.) This may explain how poor most gimp filters are - based on maths not art, or so it seems. KDE are making a cross application standard for plugins which feels really positive. The kde graphics people seem to have really picked up all the problems with the gimp. Some people seem to treat the gimp as an iconic free software program - i think many of these people have never used anything better. I *know* we can do better than that - it's a real bugbear of mine! Caroline (secretlondon) I have been told that my computer is too slow to use gimp effectively. What kind of power should I be looking at to run some of the programmes you have been discussing here? Caroline lsp What speed is your computer? If your computer is too slow to run the gimp then maybe you'd be better off running Xubuntu rather than Ubuntu. (Xubuntu uses Xfce rather than gnome and is designed for older hardware). However I think Xubuntu includes the gimp.. If you are short of RAM (not Mhz) you should probably avoid running Krita or Digikam under Ubuntu. Bah - it's confusing! The whole thing collectively is generally known as Ubuntu - *and* the main variant is also called Ubuntu! Ubuntu's sisters are called Kubuntu (with kde rather than gnome), xubuntu (with xfce rather than gnome), and edubuntu (designed specifically for education) Edubuntu (which is a type of ubuntu - the confusion!) uses gnome and has some kde libraries installed as it includes the kde edutainment package. To make things easier! How fast and how much RAM does your computer have? Are you running edubuntu or ubuntu itself? Caroline (secretlondon) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu CNR deal
On 2/9/07, Philip Wyett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been reading about the Ubuntu / Linspire CNR deal and I have some serious reservations about it. Will CNR be part of a default desktop installation? If yes, I will have to seriously consider abandoning Ubuntu. Why? Ubuntu - Linux for human beings and not Linux to confuse the crap out of folks with more software installation methods than you can shake a stick at. Other vendors have it right on this with many other software companies ... Here is the way you do it - The one way. How can anything be for human beings when you can get I installed this via this and this via that and now I have an issue - It will cause so many problems for both users and add a large overhead to the developers. Simplicity, stability and consistency is paramount I feel for the basic and new user. Forget people like us who are experienced in systems and IT generally Wonderfully put. Someone should take a note of this - it's so right. CNR maybe yes, but in MOTU as a user installable app and not in the core of the OS! Regards Phil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IT Idiots cover introducing Linux.
On 2/6/07, Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:31:29 + Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the more confused. You both seem to say that I can use KDE software on Gnome (ubuntu) if I go to a lot of trouble (and knowledge that I lack) to make it work. Or am I just not understanding the issues. What I want, in the ideal situation, is a list of software, as in ADD/REMOVE with a summary of its functions, that I can double-click to load and run properly. Someone in this conversation recommended digikam but when I looked at it it was for KDE. You can install and use KDE software in gnome without worrying about the issues about it - the package manager will handle getting the dependencies and the application will load all the required libraries itself. The explanations were to let you know of the possible downsides to this: the application will look different to the gnome ones and using it will use a larger amount of memory than the same functionality in a gnome app. The memory usage isn't likely to be a problem unless you're normally short of memory. Fine. I'll have a go and see how I get on. I don't mind if it comes up different to gnome providing 1, it works and more importantly and 2. It doesn't do any harm. Ta. Robin Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Cynicism is an unpleasant way of speaking the truth. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] gimp
On 2/7/07, Scrase, Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm the more confused. You both seem to say that I can use KDE software on Gnome (ubuntu) if I go to a lot of trouble (and knowledge that I lack) to make it work. Or am I just not understanding the issues. What I want, in the ideal situation, is a list of software, as in ADD/REMOVE with a summary of its functions, that I can double-click to load and run properly. Someone in this conversation recommended digikam but when I looked at it it was for KDE. It's pretty much your ideal situation. You can run KDE applications on Gnome without any trouble - It's simply a matter of adding the applications using Add/Remove (just like any other piece of software). For example, I'm running Ubuntu (Gnome) but as I can't live without the KDE music player amaroK (at least until Exaile! is more mature), I have installed amaroK using Add/Remote and it runs fine. However, (and didn't you just knew that there was a but coming next!) there are two things to bare in mind when running KDE applications on Gnome: 1. The look and feel of the application won't be the same as a native Gnome applications. This normally shouldn't be a problem, and the applications themselves are perfectly usable. 2. Because they have to load the KDE libraries, they will generally more memory hungry that the Gnome equivalents. I hope this is of some help/reassurance to you (because I'm aware that I'm just restating what has previously been posted). Super. Thank you for taking the trouble to be so plain. Now, where, please, can I find a substitute for iphoto, please - I don't want to be shackled to mac any longer than I have to. ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IT Idiots cover introducing Linux.
On 2/6/07, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 12:09:42PM +, Robin Menneer wrote: On 2/5/07, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 10:44:02AM +, Robin Menneer wrote: Useless to me, a beginner. Concepts are too advanced and gappy in presentation. Nevertheless a well-intentioned try which should be encouraged. Ok, so what *would* be useful to you as a beginner? Oh dear, where do I start ? Oh-oh. Sounds ominous. I've only had ubuntu a few months and am enjoying it more than I have any other system. Fantastic, that's a good start :) I started with a Commodore Pet when it first came out as being freedom from the main frame, and have kept away from Windows since it started. That's some achievement. Many people find it difficult avoiding Windows - especially in the workplace. Like many other retireds, I am involved in voluntary work which requires little more than Open Office backed by a friendly file manager. But we use photos (you can see the direction we are going at www.cornishedges.com) and find we can cope with iphoto (on the other machine), it's a brilliantly simple and effective program. Am looking for a ubuntu substitute for it because I don't want to be tied to apple any more than I can help. Ok, I'd suggest either f-spot or digikam. Both are very iPhoto-like in operation. Not complex like the GIMP. Gimp (the newer version) looks promising but is much too complicated for my greenhorn missus who does a lot with pictures. Out of interest what do you do with them? Resizing and cropping or full on editing? We use all the facilities in iphoto. I've had a good look at f-spot and, although very friendly, it falls far short of iphoto. Can I use KDE derived digikam if I am in ubuntu which I see from this site is Gnome based ? As with most other people, I want to expand my expertise but to limit the demands on my skill to a drag-and-drop kind of application install, or a double-click. The ubuntu add-and-remove facility is brilliant, and t'would be wonderful if all the proven applications (as bug-free as is reasonable) could be obtained off the web using the add/remove for access to a hierarchically arranged (and/or spot-lighted to 7 keyword description) list of packages (all thousands of them ?). The Linspire people are doing exactly this with their click and run [0] system. I have not used it with ubuntu but they claim Ubuntu is a supported platform. So do you suggest I do something with LInspire and if so, how does it work with ubuntu ? A thickie-trapped procendure is necessary. Heh, clearly not PC but I know what you mean. Anything that requires the entry of code via the terminal is out. I totally agree. In my opinion the terminal should be avoided at all costs. Whenever giving support I try to coach people to use the GUI rather than the terminal. It is of course faster for some experts to use the command line now and then, and will be more flexible in some cases, but for the newbie I don't think they need to see it. My brain is too addled and ancient to try to forget Fortran and DOS and to use the terminal, tempting though it is. I don't want to risk chewing up the installation by pressing the wrong key. This is something i have heard time and time again for many years. If I press the wrong button I might break it. Clearly you can break a computer from the command line as you can from within a friendly GUI, but the command line with its obscure incantations can make this somewhat easier to achieve unfortunately, especially if you are just typing commands barked at you by an admin person. Look, I've been with computers since 1971 and know very well what injudicious use of the keyboard can do if in terminal mode. Most beginners are in the same position but haven't been told so. I've just realised a difference between OSX and ubuntu, mac is forgiving but doen't tell you so (with the result that one continues to rattle on blindly), ubuntu is forgiving but tells you so nicely that one feels ok about it. The word error, much beloved, I am told, in Windows, should be banned. Remember that, at my thickie level, it should always be the computer that is wrong (or rather that the software is inadequate). Thanks for the interest. Robin I gather that ubuntu is generally regarded as the entry point for linux - I came in via Suse which I dumped when they got tied up with Novell, getting a mac mini (I couldn't resist the price) in addition to my 6 year old PC laptop. Yet I get the impression that other versions of linux may be superior. I only want the best and must rely on the linux world to guide me, not to confuse me - which is what is happening now. Is the above any use as a start ? I'm happy to help. Regards, Robin Thanks for the input, very helpful. I always like to hear how non-experts are getting on with Ubuntu, and what their challenges
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IT Idiots cover introducing Linux.
On 2/6/07, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:46:03PM +, Robin Menneer wrote: We use all the facilities in iphoto. I've had a good look at f-spot and, although very friendly, it falls far short of iphoto. Can I use KDE derived digikam if I am in ubuntu which I see from this site is Gnome based ? Yes, you can run KDE apps in Ubuntu and GNOME apps in Kubuntu. However:- * KDE apps don't integrate (look and feel as well as functionality) with GNOME and GNOME apps don't integrate with KDE * You will have to download extra packages such as the necessary KDE libraries, and any updates to them also. * Using KDE and GNOME apps together will have a higher memory footprint as you will have libraries from both in memory at once. This is news indeed. Having read the wranglings between the protagonists of the various versions of Linux, I had gained the impression that software was exclusive to the basis sprecification. Does it mean that it's all complatible although possibly less efficient = slower ? Presumably the extra libraries load themselves automatically with the package being acquirered. In gratitude Robin This is something i have heard time and time again for many years. If I press the wrong button I might break it. Clearly you can break a computer from the command line as you can from within a friendly GUI, but the command line with its obscure incantations can make this somewhat easier to achieve unfortunately, especially if you are just typing commands barked at you by an admin person. Look, I've been with computers since 1971 and know very well what injudicious use of the keyboard can do if in terminal mode. Most beginners are in the same position but haven't been told so. Not sure if the Look, was Listen here sonny, but I was actually agreeing with you. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] gimp
On 2/6/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like many others, I enjoy processing digital photos. In the old days I played in the darkroom, now I like to think that my computer, plus software, is my digital darkroom. So, what do I want to do? I want to be able to selectively crop whilst maintaining a fixed aspect, usually 7 x 5 because I print on paper 7in x 5in and I want the print to be borderless. In addition I want to be able to adjust brightness, contrast, sharpness, colour casts and to be able to remove or change bits of the photo to improve the end result. Not a lot is it? The only application I have found which will give me all of the few things I use is Gimp. I know there are those who say Gimp is too complicated but, by a bit of judicious selection, a relatively few key presses, plus patience. gives me my end result. I am no whizz kid at the keyboard (79 next week) but I would happily try to explain, to anyone interested, how to go about things. Perhaps it could make a useful subject for a video or perhaps there is a piece of software other than Gimp to give the same end result. Norman All strength to your arm. I suggest you use iphoto as a standard to aspire to. I eagerly await the results of your query. Otherwise a thickie's guide to an iphoto sort of selection from Gimp would be useful and if some wizkid can make one up to look like iphoto, so much the better. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Etiquette
On 2/6/07, Matthew East [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, February 6, 2007 8:46 am, Alan Pope wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 01:04 +, Jonathan Riddell wrote: If somebody comes up with a good text I'm happy to put it in mailman's post to new subscribers. How about the following: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists/etiquette -- http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF Wot's a digest email please ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IT Idiots cover introducing Linux.
On 2/6/07, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Yes. I run GNOME here, see what happens when I try to install digikam (a KDE app):- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install digikam Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: bochsbios comerr-dev libqt4-qt3support libkrb5-dev libsqlite0-dev libssl-dev vgabios libqt4-sql libpq-dev libkadm55 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libexiv2-0.12 libkipi0 Suggested packages: digikam-doc fam Recommended packages: digikamimageplugins kipi-plugins kdeprint konqueror perl-suid libarts1-akode exiv2 The following NEW packages will be installed: digikam kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libarts1c2a libavahi-qt3-1 libexiv2-0.12 libkipi0 0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 23.3MB of archives. After unpacking 77.5MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Note that digikam requires various extra kde packages kdelibs-data, kdelibs4c2a and so on. Of course if you did the same - installed something like gnome-baker on KDE you'd see the same effect in reverse - it would want the gnome libs. Cheers, Al. Of course you only ever need to do this once. I run my desktop like this so I can run amarok, krita and digikam in a gnome environment. Why - because I prefer them to the gnome equivalents but still prefer the feel of gnome to the feel of kde. Thankfully with free software I have this choice and can make my set up as I like it :) However I wouldn't dream of doing this on an old machine - but then I wouldn't run gnome either - I'd use Xubuntu as it's more lightweight. The machine I'm typing on now is so old (p166 laptop) I wouldn't really put anything other than fluxbox on it ;) Caroline (secretlondon) I'm the more confused. You both seem to say that I can use KDE software on Gnome (ubuntu) if I go to a lot of trouble (and knowledge that I lack) to make it work. Or am I just not understanding the issues. What I want, in the ideal situation, is a list of software, as in ADD/REMOVE with a summary of its functions, that I can double-click to load and run properly. Someone in this conversation recommended digikam but when I looked at it it was for KDE. ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IT Idiots cover introducing Linux.
Useless to me, a beginner. Concepts are too advanced and gappy in presentation. Nevertheless a well-intentioned try which should be encouraged. On 2/5/07, David Morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/02/07, Nicholas Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest Podcast from the ITIdiots provides a introduction to Linux by way of Ubuntu. http://www.itidiots.com/ Your thoughts please ? It's the dummies guide to ubuntu on video. :) In fairness if a bunch of windows users who had never heard of linux/ubuntu watched it they would probably look at ubuntu a little closer and with less trepidation. -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] IT Idiots cover introducing Linux.
On 2/5/07, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 10:44:02AM +, Robin Menneer wrote: Useless to me, a beginner. Concepts are too advanced and gappy in presentation. Nevertheless a well-intentioned try which should be encouraged. Ok, so what *would* be useful to you as a beginner? Oh dear, where do I start ? I've only had ubuntu a few months and am enjoying it more than I have any other system. I started with a Commodore Pet when it first came out as being freedom from the main frame, and have kept away from Windows since it started. Like many other retireds, I am involved in voluntary work which requires little more than Open Office backed by a friendly file manager. But we use photos (you can see the direction we are going at www.cornishedges.com) and find we can cope with iphoto (on the other machine), it's a brilliantly simple and effective program. Am looking for a ubuntu substitute for it because I don't want to be tied to apple any more than I can help. Gimp (the newer version) looks promising but is much too complicated for my greenhorn missus who does a lot with pictures. As with most other people, I want to expand my expertise but to limit the demands on my skill to a drag-and-drop kind of application install, or a double-click. The ubuntu add-and-remove facility is brilliant, and t'would be wonderful if all the proven applications (as bug-free as is reasonable) could be obtained off the web using the add/remove for access to a hierarchically arranged (and/or spot-lighted to 7 keyword description) list of packages (all thousands of them ?). A thickie-trapped procendure is necessary. Anything that requires the entry of code via the terminal is out. My brain is too addled and ancient to try to forget Fortran and DOS and to use the terminal, tempting though it is. I don't want to risk chewing up the installation by pressing the wrong key. I gather that ubuntu is generally regarded as the entry point for linux - I came in via Suse which I dumped when they got tied up with Novell, getting a mac mini (I couldn't resist the price) in addition to my 6 year old PC laptop. Yet I get the impression that other versions of linux may be superior. I only want the best and must rely on the linux world to guide me, not to confuse me - which is what is happening now. Is the above any use as a start ? I'm happy to help. Regards, Robin As part of the screencast project I am keen to know what beginners want/need. What do you feel you didn't know that you think you needed to? What was missing? Any input greatfully received. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?
For very simple stuff, don't ignore Draw in Open Office which integrates nicely with Oo Writer. It has hiddden depths and does for those who find Gimp too complicated. On 2/3/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 21:53 +, Benjamin Webb wrote: Are there any OS graphics programmes? one of my students was asking. There is a Gimp users group - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the impression that, in most respects, Gimp is equivalent to Photoshop. I use Gimp for procesing digital photographs. It depends (as with all things) what you do with it. For processing digital photographs as you do Photoshop would be overkill and so Gimp is perfectly adequate. For more complex design (e.g. web/print design) Gimp is a nightmare. The Gimp's vector graphics are extremely limited (versus some good mix in Photoshop) especially when it comes to shapes. For example, try drawing a shaded curved-edged box in the Gimp - as far as I can tell it is impossible (although I may be missing some tricks). In Photoshop there is a tool. Photoshop text transformation etc. is much more powerful, including writing text along a path (vector stuff again) multiple font's, colours, etc. in a text block. To create multi-coloured text in the Gimp you literally have to do a letter at a time. I would love to see a Photoshop equivalent on Linux but unfortunately the Gimp isn't it - and doesn't look to be heading in that direction over the past 5 years I've been using it. Maybe Adobe will port? ..and cut the price by 99%! I am sure you are correct. It is to some extent, I presume, you get what you pay for. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?
Thanks for the tips - Inskscape is already on my ubuntu package and I'll look at it. Is there any equivalent to iphoto, a brilliant apple mac program for simply tweaking photos ? Robin On 2/3/07, Caroline Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: On 02/02/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 21:53 +, Benjamin Webb wrote: Are there any OS graphics programmes? one of my students was asking. There is a Gimp users group - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the impression that, in most respects, Gimp is equivalent to Photoshop. I use Gimp for procesing digital photographs. It depends (as with all things) what you do with it. For processing digital photographs as you do Photoshop would be overkill and so Gimp is perfectly adequate. For more complex design (e.g. web/print design) Gimp is a nightmare. The Gimp's vector graphics are extremely limited (versus some good mix in Photoshop) especially when it comes to shapes. For example, try drawing a shaded curved-edged box in the Gimp - as far as I can tell it is impossible (although I may be missing some tricks). In Photoshop there is a tool. Photoshop text transformation etc. is much more powerful, including writing text along a path (vector stuff again) multiple font's, colours, etc. in a text block. To create multi-coloured text in the Gimp you literally have to do a letter at a time. I would love to see a Photoshop equivalent on Linux but unfortunately the Gimp isn't it - and doesn't look to be heading in that direction over the past 5 years I've been using it. Maybe Adobe will port? ..and cut the price by 99%! Martin I agree that the gimp isn't particularly good. However there are loads of good graphics programs out there. Inkscape is a vector editor and is a particular fave Krita is a better program for doing basic bitmap work in my opinion Digikam does some even more basic stuff for digital photography Blender is a nightmare ;) but is a fully featured 3d package Cinepaint is a bitmap package designed by film studios because of the gimps failings Tuxpaint is painting for little 'uns There are many music packages out there but I've not used so can't recommend any. Cecilia comes to mind, I've used audio editor audacity and liked.Thanks for the tips - Inskscape is already on my ubuntu package and I'll look at it. Is there any equuivalent to iphoto, a brilliant program for simplly tweaking photos ? Caroline (secretlondon) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?
On 2/3/07, Eamonn Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/07, Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the tips - Inskscape is already on my ubuntu package and I'll look at it. Is there any equivalent to iphoto, a brilliant apple mac program for simply tweaking photos ? Robin My wife and my mother (Folder? What's a folder?) have found F-Spot to be an acceptable alternative to iPhoto. I've been forcing them to use it by putting the higher-end photo printer on Ubuntu and putting the work-a-day homework printer on the Mac. (I don't have to worry about them ever finding how to use a shared printer, although that's perfectly possible...) F-Spot doesn't have the one-button make my photo look better button that iPhoto has (which is brilliant), but it has all the other features you'd normally use, like red-eye removal. You can even upload photos easily to Flickr from F-Spot. The iPhoto add-on to do that recently became shareware. I think F-Spot became the default photo handler in the latest version, Edgy. -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I've had a skirmish with f-spot and cannot get the download button to do other than to send me to a log-in page which won't recognise a user name - which one is this ? I'm lower in the intelligence scale than your two dear ladies. Help please. Robin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?
Someone loaded it for me, it seems to be Daffy Drake. I was trying to download F-spot as being recommended to be the linux equivalent to iphoto which we use alot very satisfactorily (we have a mac mini and a pc laptop. I'm trying to wean myself off the mac more as Jobs gets closer to Gates in the software division - I don't trust them and want to keep well away from Windows and associates. I have checked and f-spot is not in the add/remove list, nor in the applications/graphics bit. Ta for help. Robin On 2/3/07, Eamonn Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/3/07, Robin Menneer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had a skirmish with f-spot and cannot get the download button to do other than to send me to a log-in page which won't recognise a user name - which one is this ? I'm lower in the intelligence scale than your two dear ladies. Help please. Robin Sorry, i didn't mean to imply lower intelligence, just unfamiliarity with computers. What exactly are you trying to download? You should have f-spot already under Applications/Graphics, unless I missed an important point on this thread somewhere. What version of Ubuntu do you have? -Eamonn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Battle of the Operating Systems
Nobody has mentioned that promoting linux is different from promoting an operating system. Until folk are agreed on Suse (which I had until Novell took it over) Ubuntu (which I have and enjoy), Kubuntu, mandrice or other systems, the man in the street is going to stay confused. It's like the Cornish who are embattled as which of five ways of writing the Cornish language is best, instead of trying to popularise this ancient language akin to Welsh and Breton. On 1/30/07, Benjamin Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/01/07, Martyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Beeb have got a story on the Vista release here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6310599.stm and it doesn't seem terribly enthusiastic, there's a mention of Apple Linux, but interestingly the Have Your Say quote is I'll run Linux on most of my machines, it does everything I need much more easily than windows from John, UK ! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I'd be interested to see how the release of Vista is covered in the main 10 o'clock news - that it presuming that it will feature. --Ben Webb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] getting help
Caroline Sorry for your troubles. Just looked up LUG for West Cornwall only to find that there is no active group in Devon, let alone Cornwall, let alone West Cornwall. If all these experts really want Ubuntu to take off, they must realise that ivory towers exist in all walks of life. Location is not so important as someone who is prepared to sit on the end of the phone for an hour or two talking for free in words of one syllable to a thick and desparate idiot on the other end. And happy to start with: Have you plugged in to the mains ? Then and separately: Is it switched on ? Perhaps some national roster so that someone's available all the time, with fall-backs if busy. Regards Robin On 1/29/07, London School of Puppetry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was having a chat with a neighbour the other dayshe said that she has a local chap who comes from a nearby town to see to her computer which is running windows- she pays him £30 per hour. She said she wouldn't want to change her system because how would she know how to get help for Linux? Well, blow me if I didn't have a major problem yesterday- and I didn't know where to start! In the end I drove 50 miles to Manchester to my son to clear up the problem- is there a list somewhere of Ubuntu experts ordinary folk just cannot solve problems with w techie down the phone. Caroline -- --- London School of Puppetry www.londonschoolofpuppetry.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop
Hi James Just the thought that there is someone like you out there who is happy to help me out of trouble if needed is absolutely wonderful. Not that I totally useless (started with a Commodore Pet and Fortran 4) but now aged 75 I just cannot keep up with progress, and I know how devestatingly one can be let down, all of a sudden. Not that I should ever need help (Ubuntu is friendly) but the thought is very warming. Robin On 1/29/07, James Tuthill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have installed Ubuntu on around 8 friends and family machines all round the country. Until now I have never needed to provide remote desktop help but recently I wanted to do this. Is there a program or a way for them to send their ip address and settings required for remote desktop to work via email. This would mean they could just click a button and send me the information and then I would be able to open up a link between. It might sound a bit simplistic but I from googling it, Windows has this functionality. Or is a just a simple way of using remote desktop that I haven't figured out yet, Thanks, James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] getting help - UK List
Ok then, you have to earn a living. What about the retireds doing it on flexitime ? Some protection would have to be provided against the no-hopers, who might just have to be told this, whether they liked it or not. On 1/29/07, Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 19:33 +, Matthew East wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 17:45 +, Alan Pope wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 14:54 +0100, Matthew East wrote: On Mon, January 29, 2007 1:10 am, London School of Puppetry wrote: is there a list somewhere of Ubuntu experts There isn't such a list for the UK. However, developing one would be a very worthwhile task for this team to carry out - face to face help is a very important type of help which is much more difficult to find for Ubuntu than it should be. How would you envisage such a list operating? Would this be a not an Ubuntu official partner, but willing to help type list? There is already one of those: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/marketplace Yes, I was aware of that, wanted to clarify what you were suggesting. What I had in mind was more something by way of freely available community support. I always find that a little tricky. For me (whether right or wrong) I like to choose how and when I contribute to the community. As with everyone else I have a limited amount of time to spend between this/that/theother. I also (as with everyone else) have requirements to pay bills and feed myself and the family. So this leads to a careful(ish) balancing act between:- a) Work - stuff that pays bills b) FLOSS stuff - contributing to the community for free c) Other - family stuff etc If someone were to pay me to do b) then I could do less of a) in order to do c). If I were to advertise my free services then the balance might tip more towards b) detracting the attention from those vital c) and a) sections. At the moment I can walk away from a computer, not looking at the support tickets, mailing lists, email (to do a) or c)) knowing that they will either pile up and I will have to go through them when I get back, or someone else will deal with them. If the contact is direct via email/phone/IM/whatever then the system of one-to-many turns into one-to-one. This is of course potentially beneficial to the recipient of the help, but less useful for the helper. More of my time would be dedicated to helping one individual - and whilst that would be a fulfilling task, it's not time efficient. Think of all the other people who have the same problem now or in the future who will not benefit from the private conversations between myself and the person I am helping. I would say we are better off pointing people to the support ticket system, as there are many eyeballs on it. For example I was going like e demon on that between October and December last year, but this year have barely touched it due to other commitments. Do the people asking questions get no support as a result? No, because there are loads of other committed people who the work load-balances around. Compare that with the person down the road who needs some one-on-one, if I am away doing a) and c) then they are left in a situation where they may mail/phone/IM/whatever me and get no response, or get a very delayed response. How does that look/feel for them? In addition as I focus my attention on them, talking them through whatever issue they have, what happens to all the other people who are waiting for their support tickets to be answered in a way that will benefit future google-users? I appreciate some people need a little hand-holding, I really do. But when someone is desperate for help (machine wont boot) they will expect the person helping to drop stuff to come over to help won't they? That's how I often find people with problems. I know I have worded this mail from my perspective, but I am pretty sure it's not far off how many people feel about helping with the community. Am I out of order / hypocritical / wrong? Please tell me. I would like to offer as much time and support to the community as I can, but I like the idea of time-inefficiency built-in. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [OT] Test message
You're connected Robin On 1/25/07, Chris Oattes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry bout sending junk to the list, but I wanted to check that it is still alive as i haven't been receiving messages. Chris. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 21, Issue 38
Ted Beyond me - best of luck. Robin On 1/19/07, Ted Smith (F3 Web Site Administrator) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Could I ask fellow members to look at this thread that I posted at UbuntuForums and see if you could help me with it at all. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341815 Thanks a lot Ted -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
