Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sharing files and folders between two 14.04 machines

[John Oliver]

On 17/10/14 14:08, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 17 October 2014 10:52, Alan Lord  wrote:
>> Err it is really quite trivial (assumes you already have openssh-server
>> installed on the destination host as you said you have).
>>
>> In the file browser (nautilus) click "Connect to server".
>>
>> In the Server Address box type:
>>
>> sftp://othermachinename.local [optionally add /any/path/you/want/to/specify]
>>
>> If you are connecting as a different user to the other machine enter
>>
>> sftp://otherusername@othermachinename.local
>>
>> click connect.
>>
>> As it is all on your home network, I'd choose the "save password for ever"
>> option and once it has connected, click the tool cog thingy and choose
>> "Bookmark this location"
> I did not know that Nautilus could do that.
>
> But why run ssh on your own internal LAN? What's the point of encrypting it?
>
>
You might not want other LAN users to (in theory) intercept the data as
it moves across the LAN (whether wired or wireless).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Options for website login

[John Howe]

Hi, Gareth

On 30/08/14 07:10, Gareth France wrote:
I'm not sure where else to ask for suggestions so I'm hoping you guys 
can help. I need to set up a webpage where I can create accounts for 
users and add files which can be accessed by those users and nobody 
else. The user would login and download the files I supplied.


Why a web page?

you can get the same effect with Dropbox.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[John Oliver]

Should it not match the wording already used in Nautilus preferences?
Namely, "Arrange icons by name".

Being a person who likes cohesive approaches, that would be my preferred
translation.

On 30/07/14 23:22, Paul Sladen wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Alan Lord (News) wrote:
>> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>   "Sort by name"
>
> There, I shorterised it.
>
>   -Paul
>
>


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] "Alphabetise" != en_GB

[John Oliver]

Personally I always preferred Windows' answer to arranging desktop icons, but 
true to what the GNOME 3 team said a few years ago, despite the response they 
got including myself, I've actually stopped using it for icons now (I use Unity 
14.04). 

I still have some on my Windows 7 desktop but that's because the start menu in 
W7 is not nearly as good for searching for programs as Gnome 3, Unity or 
Windows 8 start screen. 

Whoops, probably a little OT, sorry about that!

Regards, John Oliver

 Alan Lord (News) wrote 

>On 30/07/14 17:49, Dave Morley wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:41:21 +0100
>> Alan Pope  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Alphabetise Desktop Icons"...
>>>>
>>>
>>> OED says yes :)
>>>
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/alphabetize?q=alphabetise
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Al.
>
>Oh god. I give up.
>
>Why don't we just 'ise every noun and turn it into a verb then?
>
>The yanks have a lot to answer for.
>
>Bah humbug.
>
>Al
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ending Dual-Boot

[John Oliver]

On 09/03/14 17:34, Peter Smout wrote:


For future reference is there a command to list installed packages?
the one thing I need to make new installs easy!!

I think 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages 
would be useful to read for that, but I would also do a sudo apt-get 
autoremove first, because as is pointed out on the page, this would 
include all packages installed on the system, which may include 
unnecessary dependencies.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Custom Unity Launchers

[John Oliver]

On 02/02/14 18:03, Anthony Harrington wrote:
(Although it /is /easy to make a launcher for it on the old 
gnome-shell desktop via alacarte, never done this for unity!)
I've made some menu options - the best way seems to put in a .desktop 
file in ~/.local/share/applications, and then editing that via alacarte, 
but you may have to restart compiz during the process.


The files can be made in gedit, but if you want to edit them later you 
have to open them through gedit as nautilus will try to run the command.


The file should be in a format like this:

[Desktop Entry]

Comment=Restart Compiz

Terminal=false

Name=Restart Compiz

Exec=compiz --replace

Type=Application

Icon=preferences-system

See 
https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en 
for a full guide and 
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html for a list of 
categories that should be supported by all desktop environments 
conforming to the freedesktop spec.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!

[John Oliver]

Within schools I think it is important to remember that Microsoft has 
been outdoing itself to bring educational establishments into migrating 
to Office365, which when you have Office 2013 and Windows 7 and above is 
great. It's just not so good with everything else (as the IMAP thread on 
this list goes to show).


Within Office365 you get all exchange email, "skydrive" (aka Sharepoint 
w/ a document library) and directory services for the organisation via 
EWS. Plus you don't need to worry about dealing with it yourself because 
it's all outsourced, as opposed to before where Exchange took an entire 
HP Blade server, using 16GB of RAM and still running a bit slowly!


Some part of migration is the UI - LibreOffice 4.2 has just come out and 
the screenshots at OMG! Ubuntu look pretty nice. I think the slickness 
of the application is important. I myself maintain a Windows 7 
installation on another partition, but only use it sometimes, basically 
just to redeem iTunes vouchers I get given. As for comparing LibreOffice 
to MS Office, I think MS Office, with the obvious aside of not being 
free in either sense, is a superior product (I just don't regularly need 
all its advanced features like References). I read somewhere that IBM? 
are producing a font that is compatible with Calibri, which will be very 
useful when trying to make sense of documents sent to me!


I would also suggest that it is important to remain familiar with 
different operating systems, such as Ubuntu, Windows or Mac OS because 
you could need to use them at some point. I know from my own experience 
that I prefer Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean that Win7 isn't a great OS 
too! (Gone are the crashes of Windows XP and Vista for now!)


To go back to iTunes, I do need to keep Windows just for that at the 
moment, though I will likely find some other reason to eventually. Apple 
aren't going to support iTunes for Linux any time soon, and I think it's 
them who are less resistant to change than Microsoft. Despite what we've 
heard from Microsoft in the past (ie >7 years ago), more recently they 
have started to not only acknowledge but actively support Linux users, 
particularly with web products (compare OWA 2007 with OWA 2010 and 
2013). Apple still maintains a furious pretence worthy of the Dursleys 
that Linux is unimportant and/or doesn't exist.


Schools are coming round to install software that isn't necessarily 
Microsoft or "the de facto (£600+ per user) software). To give an 
example, whilst I was still in secondary school I persuaded the Music 
department to install Musescore 1.1 alongside Sibelius 4. Musescore 
crashed less with the old Sibelius 4, but the school could not at that 
time afford to update to Sibelius 6 (which was latest at that time). 
They have now installed Sibelius 7 alongside MuseScore, so students 
still have the choice. Those going on to study A-level music will most 
likely already have Sibelius at home so use it (and why not!), but at 
GCSE level MuseScore was proved and should continue to be proved useful 
so students can experiment at home without forking out for a Sibelius 
license (currently £459.95). So in that way, as students switch at home 
and let people know about it at school, if the staff in the department 
can be persuaded to like it, then they can go up to IT Support and 
insist upon it being installed. (Incidentally, I myself introduced the 
Technology department to FreeMind when I did my GCSE Electronics and 
they got that installed in their department because they saw how useful 
it was).


What I wouldn't encourage is what I'm told happened a few years ago, is 
some students went round installing Ubuntu over workstations. Obviously 
that just wastes time for IT Support who are usually too busy anyway 
without having to deal with jokers.


I think I've said enough here; I may need a hardback book if I'm to 
carry on - sorry if my ramblings are a bit disjointed but I think I've 
covered everything.


Kind Regards,
John Oliver

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open formats in UK gov?

[John Oliver]

Yes, I saw something about this on the BBC News android application 
around 30 minutes ago. IT does look interesting. I think it's something 
that's been postulated for some time, mind you. With the advent of the 
Government Digital Service (https://gds.blog.gov.uk/) this sort of stuff 
has been coming on for a while.


I'm sure you'll agree that gov.uk is a far easier to use site than the 
previous DirectGov, and on top of that, it is (mostly) released under 
the open government license 
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/2/)


The BBC article I mentioned is at 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25950004 - the subject of the 
article is actually about wasting resources on unnecessary website, but 
ODF gets a mention at the bottom.


If anyone is interested, the Cabinet Office has a website devoted to 
selecting open standards for use across UK Government IT - 
http://standards.data.gov.uk/. Incidentally, users can submit 
suggestions for standards of a particular type.



On 29/01/14 21:18, Andres wrote:


Pete Smout  escribió:

On 29/01/14 21:00, Andres wrote:

I guess this is not news for some of you but thought I'd mention it.

Baby steps it seems:



http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite





Hi all,

As a UK taxpayer, can I just say about ing time to!!

Pete S




Same here:
More links
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2013/jun/13/geeks-opened-up-government-video






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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with Mail set up in Ubuntu 13.10

[John Oliver]

Well regrettably the only thing I know of to connect to Exchange using 
thunderbird is ExQuilla which is not free. I think Evolution does/used 
to connect directly to EWS though - but it isn't my email application of 
choice.


On 27/01/14 17:54, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

Spot on!
Unfortunately it now appears that the Exchange EWS add-in (to sync 
Contacts, Calendar and Tasks) doesn't work with that server, and 
neither does it work with the "correct" server either, so it's on to 
Plan B.
Change my Exchange  Server account to a plain IMAP account, and 
useFruux <https://fruux.com/> to sync Contacts, calendar and Tasks.

(Besides which, it's much cheaper than Office 365 and Open Source!)

Thanks for the help.

On 27/01/2014 17:11, John Oliver wrote:
Try using m.outlook.com as the server name, works for me certainly 
for IMAP and SMTP. I found that buried in a help and support article 
on the Microsoft website a few months ago and it's working right now 
on Thunderbird, Ubuntu 13.10. For some bizarre reason unbeknown to 
everyone the settings given in OWA simply don't work.


On 27/01/14 08:51, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

On 24/01/2014 18:48, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:


I use a Hosted Exchange Email account (Office 365) and am having 
very odd problems connecting both in Thunderbird and Evolution.


If I try to set up IMAP email in both Tbird and Evolution, it just 
goes into a circle of an error message saying "Cannot connect -- is 
the User name and Password correct?" which of course they are.


IMAP access works perfectly well in Thunderbird on Windows 8.1 so 
the server has IMAP set up OK.


Trying to use ExQuilla in TBird with EWS, the autodiscovery works 
fine, but it then hangs and finally fails on "testing URL".


Other IMAP mail accounts work perfectly well in both Tbird and 
Evolution, so I'm at a loss as to why this particular IMAP account 
(and/or EWS via ExQuilla) doesn't work.


Anyone seen this and is there a solution?















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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with Mail set up in Ubuntu 13.10

[John Oliver]

Try using m.outlook.com as the server name, works for me certainly for 
IMAP and SMTP. I found that buried in a help and support article on the 
Microsoft website a few months ago and it's working right now on 
Thunderbird, Ubuntu 13.10. For some bizarre reason unbeknown to everyone 
the settings given in OWA simply don't work.


On 27/01/14 08:51, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

On 24/01/2014 18:48, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:


I use a Hosted Exchange Email account (Office 365) and am having very 
odd problems connecting both in Thunderbird and Evolution.


If I try to set up IMAP email in both Tbird and Evolution, it just 
goes into a circle of an error message saying "Cannot connect -- is 
the User name and Password correct?" which of course they are.


IMAP access works perfectly well in Thunderbird on Windows 8.1 so the 
server has IMAP set up OK.


Trying to use ExQuilla in TBird with EWS, the autodiscovery works 
fine, but it then hangs and finally fails on "testing URL".


Other IMAP mail accounts work perfectly well in both Tbird and 
Evolution, so I'm at a loss as to why this particular IMAP account 
(and/or EWS via ExQuilla) doesn't work.


Anyone seen this and is there a solution?







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Re: [ubuntu-uk] sibelius

[John Oliver]

I would suggest MuseScore using the musicxml file format which both Sibelius 
and MuseScore read. You'll find MuseScore in the ubuntu repositories

Norman Silverstone  wrote:

>My granddaughter is compelled to use Sibelius, running on Windows, at 
>school for her music composition work and uses Ubuntu at home. Is there 
>any software that she could use at home which will be compatible with 
>Sibelius on Windows. Thanks
>
>Norman
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] FLV Video Problem

[John Oliver]

It'd odd that handbrake would work but mplayer wouldn't as if I recall 
correctly handbrake uses mencoder  for its encoding operations. Perhaps you 
should try reinstalling mencoder?


Jools Wills  wrote:

>> I would by reinstalling vlc see if it has any package missing as you 
>> suggest. 
>> I don't think you need adobe, gnash should play it as well.
>
>flv is a container format. may contain Sorenson Spark, vp6, h264 for
>video and mp3/aac etc for audio.
>
>any player that uses the ffmpeg (or libav) libraries will be able to
>play them back, so it is likely to be a missing dependency/library.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Jools
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Samsung might be getting rid of Android and using their own Linux based OS

[John MM]

On 12 Sep 2013 08:45, "Alan Pope"  wrote:
>
> On 12 September 2013 08:37, YaManicKill 
wrote:
> > However, there was that Samsung galaxy s4 pictured running Tizen a few
days
> > ago.
> >
>
> I can show you a photo of a Nexus 4 running Ubuntu Touch... :)
>
> There's a bunch of developer devices. I saw one in San Francisco after
> a Tizen conference about 18 months ago. Looks like Samsung are the
> only ones at the moment who are planning on shipping any Tizen
> devices.
>
> It's certainly interesting times with Sailfish, FirefoxOS, Tizen and
> of course Ubuntu Touch looking to pick up some of the mobile market.
>
> Al.
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Ok sorry about top posting my last message on phone and hadnt worked out
how to bottom post..

I would like to see an Ubuntu phoneI would be interested in running it
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Samsung might be getting rid of Android and using their own Linux based OS

[John MM]

Yeh but the question was do you know anything about the OS
On 12 Sep 2013 07:47, "Alan Pope"  wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, September 12, 2013, scoundrel50a wrote:
>
>> I thought this was interesting, does anybody know what Linux system they
>> might be working with? Would it be any good?
>>
>> http://androidcommunity.com/**samsungs-tizen-os-3-0-spotted-**
>> on-the-galaxy-s4-20130910/
>>
>
> It says right in the title. "Tizen".
>
> Al.
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[ubuntu-uk] GCHQ: "Can you find it?" competition 2013

[John Oliver]

If you haven't already read about it, GCHQ have launched a competition
similar to the "Can You Crack It?" competition last year.

https://www.canyoufindit.co.uk/

>From the welcome dialogue:

"Last year, GCHQ created a groundbreaking challenge, which asked ‘Can
You Crack It’.
Now in 2013, we are asking Can You Find It?
Our new challenge is to find and solve 5 codes we have hidden around the
web. For anyone able to rise to the challenge and find all the codes,
you’ll join an elite community of people with some of the specific
skills we look for at GCHQ.
We also have some great prizes. You can win 1 of 100 Raspberry Pi or 1
of 5 Google Nexus 7 tablets."

You do have to 18 or over and resident in the UK to enter the
competition. There are prizes as mentioned above, and also the
possibility of invitation to apply for a job there.

Just in case anyone was interested!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moonlight

[John Oliver]

On 11/09/13 17:52, Tony Pursell wrote:
> I want to watch stuff on ParliamentTV on www.parliament.uk
>  but it uses Silverlight.  They suggest that
> Linux users should use Moonlight, but when I try any of the links to
> http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ all I get is a message to say that
> access to that page on the server is 'forbidden'. 
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can get Moonlight?  I sure I had it at one
> time.  I'm using Ubuntu 13.04 and Firefox.
>
> Tony
>
>
I don't think you can get a version that works on up-to-date computers
anymore.

As I recall the project died -
http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Is-Moonlight-dead-tc4200997.html#none
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moonlight

[John Oliver]

On 11/09/13 17:56, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 11 September 2013 17:52, Tony Pursell  wrote:
>> I want to watch stuff on ParliamentTV on www.parliament.uk but it uses
>> Silverlight.  They suggest that Linux users should use Moonlight, but
when I
>> try any of the links to http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/ all I get is a
>> message to say that access to that page on the server is 'forbidden'.
>>
>
> Moonlight is effectively dead. You may be able to get it working with
> Pipelight, which works for some people.
>
> https://launchpad.net/pipelight
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
I tried Pipelight and it works on Parliament TV. Oddly enough, when you
do install it, and only once it is installed and functioning, links
appear allowing you to switch to "Windows Media" aka Totem or Flash
Players. Slightly backwards considering the purpose of those links, but
I don't think the Government Digital Service has gotten its hands on the
Parliament.uk website yet.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Deleting unwanted Libre Office Document.

[John Oliver]

On 05/09/13 21:37, Michael wrote:
> On 05/09/13 19:04, Gareth France wrote:
>> On 05/09/13 18:45, Michael wrote:
>>> I have tried the Libre Office site, I want to delete an unwanted
Libre Office document and can not find a way, can anybody assist please.
>>> Thanks, Michael.
>>>
>> Erm Highlight the document in your file browser, right click and
select delete?
>>
> I tried, but it does not work, right click just opens it and there is
no delete option available.
> Thanks, Michael
>
Assuming you're on the current version of Ubuntu, it reads "Move to
Recycle Bin", not "Delete".

What happens if you delete the file with LibreOffice closed?
Upon restarting LO does the file become recreated with the same content
as before?
What file type is it?
Just to confirm, this is in the /home/[user]/Documents folder?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Deleting unwanted Libre Office Document. Thread Closed, thanks

[John Oliver]

On 05/09/13 21:51, Michael wrote:
> On 05/09/13 18:45, Michael wrote:
>> I have tried the Libre Office site, I want to delete an unwanted
Libre Office document and can not find a way, can anybody assist please.
>> Thanks, Michael.
>>
> Gentlemen, thank you again for your help, the route Nautilus-rubbish
bin route was used and the problem is resolved.
> Many thanks, Michael.D
> .
>
Please therefore scratch the last message I sent - I hadn't received the
one above at that time!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Deleting unwanted Libre Office Document.

[John Oliver]

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On 05/09/13 18:45, Michael wrote:
> I have tried the Libre Office site, I want to delete an unwanted Libre Office 
> document and can not
find a way, can anybody assist please.
> Thanks, Michael.
>
Can you locate the file in your file manager/explorer? If you can, try
clicking it and pressing the delete key on the keyboard.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Deleting unwanted Libre Office Document.

[John Oliver]

>
> I think the problem is that he finds the file on the dash. He will not
be able to delete from there.
>
> Sorry not near a computer now.
>
>
>

In that case, if you are in the dash, which is the large menu from the
button in the top-left, search for the file you want to delete, right
click it, and then select "Show in Folder". This will open the correct
folder in the file manager, and should automatically select the
appropriate file. You can then right-click on the file and select "Move
to the Rubbish Bin".

You can then delete it permanently by opening the Rubbish Bin (Bottom
left of the screen), selecting it, and then deleting it again in the
manner described above.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

[John MM]

What a surpriseno change the then
On 21 August 2013 10:13, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>
> Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts
something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and not
everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for years
its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the group, I
dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when
people see this.
>

Nobody is attacking anyone. Get a grip.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Virgin broadband from 20 to 60 megas

[John Oliver]

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>
>  declined the offer. Also mentioned you (tyler) on twitter, I hope you
do not mind.
>
> In similar lines I found this interesting:
> http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/
>
On a similar note, I have often used the Virgin Media mirror to download
CD images and sometimes packages in the past. I've found it to be a
pretty good mirror.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Inline posting

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On 20/07/13 07:36, mac wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2013, at 03:48, Steven Roberts
>  wrote:
>> So, has anyone else been too worried about using the wrong
>> protocol on here?
> 
> This issue is a hardy perennial. There seem to be two worlds: one
> that maintains the original and ancient traditions of the early
> internet, and puts replies (preferably only plain text) below the
> original post; and one - containing the majority of the commercial,
> business and government world - that follows conventions introduced
> by Microsoft, and replies in HTML above the original.
> 
> Here, we are hard-core traditionalists: plain text replies below
> original. We sometimes have to remind people to do it.
> 
> There is, of course, no right answer - these are the conventions
> and traditions of different cultures. Anyway, when in France, be
> polite and speak French! ;)
> 
> mac
> 
That's quite a relief for me to hear it - I wasn't sure either!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

[John Oliver]

Thanks - I'll have a look at those :)

Regards,
John Oliver

On 10 May 2013, at 21:36, Muñiz Piniella, Andrés  
wrote:

> 
> On May 10, 2013 8:33 PM, "John Oliver"  wrote:
> >
> 
> > John Oliver
> >
> > PS: I do rather like excel as a program even if some functions are hidden 
> > away in that tabular view. If on Windows and it was installed alongside 
> > LibreOffice I would likely choose Excel. I use LibreOffice at home.
> >
> > PPS: I'm also playing devil's advocate a little here, to see what the 
> > community response is.
> >
> 
> Just a note to say that as far as spreadsheets go the last literature I 
> checked (as in statistcal exactness and what not)  gnumeric was the best one 
> followed by excel then calc and lastly google docs. Which the authours 
> clearly recomended nit to be used for any serious caculation.
> 
> Makes sense since gnumeric works with R project. What I do not understand why 
> doesn't calc do it as well.
> 
> I can dig out references but basically look in scolarity papers for excel an 
> gnumeric.
> While you are at it matlab and octave.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

[John Oliver]

And yet regrettably the IT teachers are stuck on one system, bound by the 
equipment provided, and the IT support who usually run the network as well. 

The brighter ones will get the concept but many simply don't (or won't) 
understand and will end up more confused. I've been volunteering recently in a 
Year 7 class (Maths set 2) as an assistant and some of them are really 
genuinely bright and probably would understand the concept. Many in the class 
won't though, as young people are increasingly brought up expecting the program 
to do everything for them. I also switched to a different class this week of 
Year 7, but set 7 this time. They were a good class, but not, in my opinion, up 
to working out which program they were meant to use for spreadsheets without 
being told to open Excel. If given the choice of Excel, Numbers, LibreOffice 
Calc, OpenOffice Calc etc they simply wouldn't have coped. When I was in their 
position several years ago, we only had one class a week, and they still only 
have that. To get through the curriculum there simply isn't enough time for 
class discussion about alternative software, and I can't imagine IT Support, 
who I do enjoy a friendly relationship with, being to pleased to find out that 
a load of program had been installed or run on any school computer let alone a 
full OS being used - even just a teacher demo. 

I believe heavily in the principles of free software and software freedom, and 
I always found IT when I was in school incredibly boring because it really was 
a point and click coordinates exercise. Whilst some effort has been made to 
change this with the introduction of things like Scratch (visual game 
programming) into the curriculum, things have a long way to go before most 
students are really able to have the intuition to look through programs for 
functions and features, or to find an alternative if such features do not 
exist. But they are stuck in a world where they point and click in a cell in a 
spreadsheet and type in the formula written on the board (or projected on the 
screen/imperoed on to their screen). If I was to say "what if...?" perhaps 3 or 
4 students would come up with a response but the rest of a class of 25-30 would 
be blank. 

The curriculum is changing of course, being just about the only Michael Gove 
policy I agree with, so perhaps we will not be in this position in 5 years 
time. I hold hope of it, but until then Excel is what it is. 

Regards,
John Oliver

PS: I do rather like excel as a program even if some functions are hidden away 
in that tabular view. If on Windows and it was installed alongside LibreOffice 
I would likely choose Excel. I use LibreOffice at home.

PPS: I'm also playing devil's advocate a little here, to see what the community 
response is.

On 10 May 2013, at 08:53, Avi Greenbury  wrote:

> John Oliver wrote:
>> If you're in education trying to teach children to word process it simply
>> isn't faesable to try to explain the difference between proprietary
>> and open-source software etc and then to get them to make a choice.
> 
> I think the notion of software freedom is absolutely the sort of thing
> that people claiming to be teaching IT to kids should be teaching to
> them.
> 
> I don't think the person teaching them how to use a word processor
> should be doing that, but I don't think that should be the IT teacher,
> either.
> 
>> Such a thing would be a massive logistical operation too -
>> demonstrations on a projector screen would be wrong for everyone who
>> chose the other system, and would have to be done again.
> 
> It depends how you teach it. If you teach concepts then you're likely
> to find that kids will work out how to use both. If you teach the
> co-ordinates that need to be clicked on in order to carry out a
> specific task then obviously they'll only be able to use that one
> suite, but you're also doing it wrong.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The problem with Bug #1

[John Oliver]

I suppose it depends what's available on the platform. Looking at schools and 
colleges on the UK the vast majority run Windows XP or 7. That's not 
necessarily because of the technical staff who are often perfectly capable of 
using and managing a GNU/Linux system or set of systems, not is it saying that 
Windows, Mac or Linux (etc) has one better than the other. I've been using 
Ubuntu and other distros for about 3 & 1/2 years now, but I also realise that 
Windows 7 as a platform in schools and in the enterprise is pretty good at what 
it does, and I have grown to like Windows 7 a lot since its release in 2009. 
But, seen as schools and colleges have been using Windows since the 90s, it is 
simply easier to keep with it. Let us not forget one of the main reasons 
education likes to stick with Windows - MS Office, which is I find much more 
reliable and user friendly than alternatives such as LibreOffice or KOffice. If 
you're in education trying to teach children to word process it simply isn't 
faesable to try to explain the difference between proprietary and open-source 
software etc and then to get them to make a choice. Such a thing would be a 
massive logistical operation too - demonstrations on a projector screen would 
be wrong for everyone who chose the other system, and would have to be done 
again.

So, basically, the point I am trying to make is that until Ubuntu (or any 
alternative) can offer something that will really persuade school/college 
technical staff to switch, then they won't. Why bother messing on making the 
switch to something if it's just as good and will take a lot of valuable time 
away from busy technical staff? It's simply nonsensical as far as I can see, 
speaking from my own experience.

Please feel free to criticise me :)


Regards,
John Oliver

On 9 May 2013, at 21:47, SuperEngineer  wrote:

> The problem with not resolving bug #1 stares me in the face. That being
> the fact that EEC, UsA? etc are prepared to force Microsoft to offer
> more than their own browser... but are not prepared to take on the real
> monopoly.  That being the fact that manufactures should offer a dual
> boot at purchase... the only problem being the wording:
> 
> Dear purchaser, please choose:
> - paying extra on your purchase for Windows
> - using a free, legal & simple system that is better
> 
> 
> Hmmm
> 
> Well  - that's my sensible thinking done for this year  ;)
> bfn
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Creating a library of resources - was Good general book on Ubuntu/Linux?

[John Oliver]

Because not everyone has Internet access or reliable/fast Internet

Regards,
John Oliver

On 4 Oct 2012, at 20:58, Gordon Burgess-Parker  wrote:

> On 04/10/12 16:08, Avi Greenbury wrote:
>> Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
>>> Thanks for the replies everyone - now a different question thrown up by 
>>> this.
>>> If I want to collect together a "library" of problems and solutions and 
>>> other
>>> resources from this and other mailing lists that I subscribe to, the main 
>>> one
>>> being Libre Office, what would be the recommendations for the format and
>>> application that would be best to store these in, with regard for easy
>>> searching and retrieval?
>> Without meaning to sound sarcastic, what do you want this to do that
>> Google doesn't do?
>> 
> Because it could be handy to have a resource for use off-line...
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[ubuntu-uk] HTML coding

[John Davis]

Thank you Alan & Colin for your help.

I had forgotten about W3 verifying software.

I ran my code through it and it highlighted 80 faults, mainly due to 
protocol html (strict) that put some of the other coding out.


I ran it through the corrector which has helped me avoid correcting too 
much and I can now concentrate on the major ones.



Lucky it ran,

Thanks for your help

John

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[ubuntu-uk] HTML images

[John Davis]

Hi,

I am a novice  at web site design.

I am designing a web site for my son's business.

One page of index and 2 pages of photos. Portfolio pictures etc.

I have done the first and second page, in Firefox they display perfectly 
but with explorer and chrome, some of the photos are missing.


I have checked the naming conventions of the photos, some are initials I 
have made up and some are called DSCF3.jpg and some are csl1.jpg (example)


I have used this convention and viewed it with various browsers, some 
with the capitals display and others do not ,


Can anyone explain what is wrong ?

Help gratefully received,

John Davis

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PC Specialist Laptops

[John MM]

I have a Lenovo laptop running only Ubuntu, no windows, and that its from
Linux Emporium. I have not had any problems with it and the after sales
service is exceptional.
On Jul 4, 2012 2:00 PM, "Colin Law"  wrote:

> Has anyone any experience of running Ubuntu on laptops from PC
> Specialist [1]?  I am particularly interested in the Genesys IV [2].
> They will supply without Windows with a reduction of £80.
>
> I believe they are based on Clevo laptops.
>
> Colin
>
>
> [1] http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/
> [2] http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/genesisIV/
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Starting an IT workshop

[john]

Aim to keep it very simple Andres,

Remember the recent demo of the Windows Pad. When experienced
journalists couldn't find the switch off button. They immediately
started to 'freak-out.' This will also be the case with the 'plug and
play' generation. That purchased devices that plugged but seldom played.

Main thing is to get the group feeling confident enough to start trying
things out themselves. A simple plan could be : 1. How the live disc
works. 2. A lot of time on using the interface. 3. How to use
LibreOffice Writer.4. Intro to Firefox. 5. Adding DuckDuckGo to
Firefox.(with a brief intro to privacy and security). 6.How to write and
send an e.mail.This will be more than enough.Do not introduce other
distros.Stress the community spirit of Ubuntu.

Keeping things simple allows you to identify the different abilities
within the group. So you can get more capable users help others.
Unfortunately Skype has never worked out of the box for me on Ubuntu or
Debian.

Most importantly ask the group what they would like to do with a
computer. Then go about doing it : probably writing a letter. Using your
own plan as a back up. Learn from the group rather than 'push' stuff at
them (not easy).

This is so important for the future of Ubuntu.

John







On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 22:49 +0100, Andres wrote:
> I have just been to a local neighbourhood community [0] meeting and
> thought ann IT workshop would help out. The group already does
> workshops relating to gardening, bicycle maintenance and such. 
> 
> My question is: how do I propose it in your experience? 
> What I have for the moment is an old laptop, 
> I would like to order a bunch ubuntu CDs if I can to hand out
> I know my way around computers but I'm not a professional but I think
> I have a lot of patience explaining IT stuff to children and adults.
> I like talking to people about using libreoffice instead of MS office,
> ubuntu instead of windows,...
> The community can offer an enclosed place "The little House" or the
> library. Both can take about 10 people. 
> 
> Would it be best to start with something simple? or look alliance with
> some other community that already exists and are looking for a place
> to do some sort of mini workshop. This is what they did with the
> bicycle workshop. 
> 
> So I was asked to source some info to take back to the meeting for
> next month. Can someone point me in the right direction?
> 
> [0] http://www.hamunitedgroup.org.uk



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Microsoft Surface Release, Will there be something similar from Ubuntu?

[john]

Here's one app that may be of interest for anyone going for showdown.
Its being developed to run on Ubuntu as an open-source project: the code
is freely accessible.  That will take developers into the next stage of
internet development : http://lockerproject.org/

John

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 22:25 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 25/06/12 19:48, kpb wrote:
> > Interesting idea, craft fair software?
> > 
> > http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
> > 
> > Is there any way for end users to *suggest* apps for people to
> > build through the USC?
> > 
> > Sort of Reddit or Hacker News karma system for suggestions?
> > 
> 
> There is exactly that. On Reddit no less.
> 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/
> 
> Cheers,



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Microsoft Surface Release, Will there be something similar from Ubuntu?

[john]

That's really interesting Keith and All,

There has already been a lot of apps made for the medical and social
care professions. For example for people that have been discharged from
hospitals, wanting to maintain contact. It makes sense for people to
keep their own records and product preferences. Rather than have them
spread across databases world-wide.It puts the customer in control of
their own information and preferences.

Working on a medical records project about a year ago. I found that the
Debian Pure Blend Project : 
http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/  Had done some really good work
in a centralising packaging around specific areas. With some of the
medical record tools having already gained a high level of certification
from the U.S Government.

It would also be useful if a small database could be added to the
tablet : say MariaDB or SQLite. More radical would be the usage of free
wireless-meshing networks rather than using expensive proprietary
networks. 

With the shift from CRM to VRM (Vendor Related Management) users will no
longer view Windows and Ubuntu in terms of their technical features and
apps. They will increasingly view them in terms of their relation to
social context. That is Windows8 is proprietary and 'pushed' at me.
Ubuntu is free and it belongs to me.

I've just started working with the VRM Project, so will be happy to
share any insights.

John


On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 19:48 +0100, kpb wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:30:07 +0100
> john  wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I really believe that Ubuntu could do something better than the folks at
> > both Mac and Microsoft.
> > 
> > The new internet based economy is turning out to be very different to
> > the Web1 economy. In the Intention or Community based economy, the
> > emphasis is turning away from being sold products, such as an iPad. To
> > the customer actually engaging in the development process. 
> 
> Hello John and all
> 
> Interesting idea, craft fair software?
> 
> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
> 
> Is there any way for end users to *suggest* apps for people to build through 
> the USC?
> 
> Sort of Reddit or Hacker News karma system for suggestions?
> 
> Perhaps even pledging (kickstarter style) a fee?
> 
> Developers scan lists of wanted apps and pitch up their ideas?
> 
> One chap(ess) is entering this to the app showdown...
> 
> http://srirangan.net/2012-06-humantask-is-a-personal-task-manager-for-humans
> 
> personally, I'd pay money for an Acta single column outliner with export 
> functions (LO, text, pdf, opml)
> 
> As John says, we can have direct feedback from potential purchasers.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Microsoft Surface Release, Will there be something similar from Ubuntu?

[john]

Hi All,

I really believe that Ubuntu could do something better than the folks at
both Mac and Microsoft.

The new internet based economy is turning out to be very different to
the Web1 economy. In the Intention or Community based economy, the
emphasis is turning away from being sold products, such as an iPad. To
the customer actually engaging in the development process. For example
instead loads of different health centres holding medical records. The
customer keeps the records (on a pad) and keeps control over them.

Basically the open-source community is extending into the business
community. One of the main visionaries is the editor of Linux Magazine :
Doc Searls. With the idea of customer centric economy being studied at :
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/

So the Ubuntu Tablet could actually be a very useful tool, extending our
vast experience in community based development.

John

On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 16:20 +0100, kpb wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:17:03 +0100
> Alan Pope  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > http://design.canonical.com/2011/11/ubuntu-phone-tablet-and-tv-discussion-opened/
> > 
> > Feel free to let us know what you think an Ubuntu tablet should look
> > like, features and so on. We'd be interested to know.
> > 
> 
> Education market (secondary/college): 
> 
> 1) vga socket and ability to retain touch calibration while mirroring to old 
> projectors 1024/768 and even 800 by 600 that refuse to die. You just saved us 
> a fortune on proprietary interactive whiteboards. I'd buy one alone for that.
> 
> 2) Stylus friendly. By stylus friendly I mean ability to get fine control 
> with a stylus for drawing and painting but with a finger touch based UI.
> 
> 3) Flash (yes, I know old tech, but that is education) and Java JVM 
> available. BBC iPlayer solution that is guaranteed to work in the future 
> whatever the Beeb perpetrate. 
> 
> 4) USB sockets aplenty for attaching keyboards &c
> 
> 5) a Canonical branded note taking app with handwriting recognition that 
> could recognise mathematical notation and shell out to LaTeX. Oh, and the 
> Moon.
> 
> I would imagine it will have to be widescreen (have you noticed how most iPad 
> users use them portrait?)
> 
> Well, you asked. Best of luck with it, that would be an ace thing to see.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu in india

[john]

On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 07:38 +0100, richard wrote:
> On 21/06/12 17:47, john wrote:
> > Thought that this may be interesting :
> >
> > ww.h-online.com/open/news/item/Dell-to-bring-Ubuntu-laptops-to-850-retail-stores-in-India-1620657.html
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> so why not sell them here too ?
> 
Hi Richard,

With over £700m per year revenues from U.K Government at stake.Combined
with a very nice tax avoidance scheme. Microsoft, understandably, are
going to 'squash' any upstarts before they even get off the ground. So
the rule of the school yard applies for Ubuntu:'don't pick on anyone
bigger than yourself'. And make friends with the right people : Dell in
India and China.

The big change is that European Governments and Governments are shifting
to open-standards. Even in the U.K :
http://fsfe.org/projects/os/uk-standards-consultation.en.html

I proposed to the Cabinet Office Open Standards Committee that they
benchmark with the State of Oklahoma, where they have made huge savings
through using open-source software. For example replacing Oracle with
MySQL databases. Although nowadays they would probably prefer MariaDB
instead. People and companies tend to follow what their Governments
propose.

Then there will be Chinese and Indian students arriving in the U.K.
Looking towards using Ubuntu rather than the Windows Systems provided by
their Unis.

Bit early in the morning for this. But its my slant on things.

John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu in india

[john]

On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 18:00 +0100, Andy Braben wrote:
> 
> 
> On 21 June 2012 17:47, john  wrote:
> Thought that this may be interesting :
> 
> 
> ww.h-online.com/open/news/item/Dell-to-bring-Ubuntu-laptops-to-850-retail-stores-in-India-1620657.html
> 
> John
> 
> www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Dell-to-bring-Ubuntu-laptops-to-850-retail-stores-in-India-1620657.html
> 
> You are missing a "w" at the beginning of the URL.
> 
> How long before they are available in 850 stores over here?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Andy
> 
Thanks Andy,

I set up a lap-top on Windows7 this afternoon. I have to say that after
using Ubuntu and Debian. Using Windows was so ordinary. 

With retailers now under so much pressure. It must only be a question of
timing before there is a rol-out over here.

John


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[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu in india

[john]

Thought that this may be interesting :

ww.h-online.com/open/news/item/Dell-to-bring-Ubuntu-laptops-to-850-retail-stores-in-India-1620657.html

John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] HP, Dell, et al - come to Linux!

[john beddard]

On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:22 +0100, k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote:
> Hello All
> 
> Alas, I suspect this interesting looking device is not going to be mass 
> marketed.
> 
> It will be available only from Microsoft shops or by mail order from 
> Microsoft.
> 
> Sounds like a 'reference platform' or 'concept' to me
> 
> I could be wrong and sort of hope I am for similar reasons.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> > Original Message 
> >From: mac 
> >To: British Ubuntu Talk 
> >Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:47:34 +0100 (BST)
> >Subject: [ubuntu-uk] HP, Dell, et al - come to Linux!
> >
> >Now that MS is telling Dell, HP, and the rest of its OEMs that they are 
> >not its future...
> >
> >http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-business/microsoft-pc-and-tablet-makers-youre-not-our-future-195877
> >
> >...perhaps the hardware firms will smell the coffee and start 
> >pre-installing and seriously supporting Linux? #BusinessModels :)
> >
> >mac
> >
> >
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The usual pattern is to try out new products in the upper (low volume)
business market niche. Whilst production and product bugs can be
gradually sorted out. Then gradually reducing the cost of production
with increased volumes. Moving the original model down market as the
next new model surfaces.

The trend in manufacturing is away from China, towards localised,
closely linked manufacturing units. But I haven't seen them buy out any
manufacturer. Unless they intend to capitalise on Nokia's manufacturing
know-how : by buying them. So that the devices will probably be built in
India.

Just as it was a mistake for Nokia to continue manufacturing their own
phones. It will be a bigger mistake for M$ to do so. Much better to stay
focussed on the software and innovation side.

In any case, I guess patch-Tuesdays are going to be even more busier for
the in-crowd.

John


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[ubuntu-uk] Drop box

[John Davis]

Hi,

I have had drop box installed for some time but never used the "public " 
feature.


It is very good and thanks for the explanation of how to use it !

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[ubuntu-uk] Hi Chris,

[John Davis]

Thanks for your input.

I get the idea. I am just using my browser to view the files.

I am trying to do a site for my son and he is going to get the hosting site,

 I just want to make sure he has everything in order and it will run 
when uploaded.


Any further input welcome

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[ubuntu-uk] Help please

[John Davis]

Hi,

I am sorry this is not Ubuntu related but could any offer some help for 
a novice web site builder ?



I have made a web site with a main page, gallery page and an image folder.

When working in Notepad++ I have no problem opening the pages in a 
browser but I am unsure of how to make sure they are all linked together 
and uploaded.


When I have looked on "local host" sometimes the photos have been 
missing and I assume that file naming is to blame.


My question is how to name the files,

I assume opening page is index.html

 2 nd page is  gallery.htm

and photos  .images


Can someone help me with this. Do I have to put all these files in a 
folder to upload.


I have bought loads of books but none cover this bit !

Many thanks

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside

[John Bottomley]

Hi reading your comments on introducing Ubuntu I thought you might be 
interested in our experiences of Ubuntu as a training medium.


We have been running a project in South Cheshire for 4 years.

The aim of the project is to support local communities by improving 
access to IT.  We run a range of activities including 'drop in help 
sessions, loan of recycled pcs and free internet access at both local 
and neighbourhood levels.


Central to our activities is use of Ubuntu, we have about 250 Pcs on 
loan all of which are Ubuntu based.  Many of our loan PCs are used by 
school children and FE/HE students for their home studies.


All our workshop PCs/Laptops (about 25) are Ubuntu based.

We expect to see about 500 people per month in our workshops held at 
community centres and rural village halls.


So we think we must have over 1000 people in the area regularly using 
Ubuntu from version 8.04 onward


We adopted Unity at 11.10 - customers liked it - trainers liked it.

We are currently deploying 12.04 - only comment we are getting is 'this 
is quicker'.


When we were designing the project we decided that Ubuntu was the OS of 
choice and that we would centre all project activity on this software.


Our opinion is that we now live in a world where Apple, Android, Google 
plus about 4 versions of Windows are in common circulation at any time; 
therefore users often use 2 or more different operating systems with 
phones tablets and PCs in common use.  Users therefore need to have a 
generic understanding and transferable skills rather than the ability to 
use just one software.


As an organisation with training as on of our primary functions we can 
definitely confirm the customer willingness to use Ubuntu as their 
primary learning medium


As a voluntary group we are very cost conscious and we are certain that 
without Ubuntu this project would not have been able to develop in the 
way it has.
Obviously licensing costs has been a factor in this but the savings 
through minimal repair time and no virus problems have been vital.  
Congratulations to the 12.04 team our upgrading to less than 2 hours for 
25 machines - best yet


Thanks

John Bottomley



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4. Re:  Error report not working (Colin Law)
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Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 20:21:35 +0100
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Hi!

I'm actually the President of IfL -- so it sometimes helps in getting
educational bodies to do things they normally wouldn't ;-)

I'm not against Unity. I just think I need to get my little bunch of
'pioneers' used to something closer to what they're used to Windows-wise
than go with the redesigned (and controversial) UI. I've discussed with
my group the possibility of upgrading the memory sticks later in the
course, as and when they're feeling confident.

On 05/05/12 19:20, kpb wrote:

On 05/05/12 19:00, Gareth France wrote:

 I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the
 moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB
 sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a
 dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey
 presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can
 just reformat the sticks.


It's a shame you feel pushed into ditching Ubuntu's biggest unique
selling point. What Canonical have done with unity is amazing and I'm
certain they're on the right path in the long run. It's just
frustrating that people seem to have so much trouble ditching 20+
years of UI baggage.



Hello Bea

Really well done.

Your experience has confirmed my resolve to run a couple of workshops at
the FE College where I teach. I'll probably go for freebie/3 GLH type
taster courses to begin with to test the water. FE Colleges get less
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu spotted In The Wild

[John Oliver]

On 30/04/12 22:07, Barry Drake wrote:

On 30/04/12 22:04, Barry Titterton wrote:

My employer's IT department confirmed that they have no plans to move
away from a Windows based installation. Shame.


Be patient.  Persuade them in a roundabout way that won't involve you, 
that they MUST upgrade to Windows 8!!!


Just keep dropping it into conversation. A few mugs mysteriously donated 
to the IT Dept should be subtle enough :)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 Unity intro poster

[John]

On 21/04/12 11:16, kpb wrote:

Hello All

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/1204-poster-4.pdf

It struck me that someone doing an LTS -> LTS upgrade to 12.04 might 
find the change in UI a little disorienting.


The link above leads to a poster that summarises the basics of 
Unity.The odp file is available if anyone needs to customise it.


Let me know what you think.


Ooh, I like that, its good on the eyes and simple to read...thanks.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity testing

[John]

On 08/04/12 18:10, Barry Drake wrote:

On 08/04/12 17:21, Norman Silverstone wrote:

I am not thick but when I
am asked, for example, to start gedit or nautilus using a set up with
which I am not familiar I was lost and gave up. Maybe this testing is
only for the Ubuntu literate and not for a simple user like me.


Norman well said! Unity testing folk (and Popey) please note. I was 
appalled at the level of knowledge that the tests required. The Unity 
testing program ought at least to tell you how to start gedit etc. And 
to use programs that are installed by default, which does NOT include 
Amarok that is (almost) specifically asked for by at least one of the 
tests. By the way, gedit is the default text editor and you can start 
it by clicking on 'Text Editor'. Where do you find that? Well, it's 
not too bad now I know my way around the latest Unity ... but I agree, 
it can be a bit daunting. However, if you type 'gedit' into the entry 
field that comes up when you click the top (Ubuntu) button on the 
launcher sidebar, you will get a match that you can click. The same 
would be true of Nautilus, but actually all you need to do is open the 
'Files' (Home Folder) icon on the launcher sidebar.


Oh, and a 'program that needs multiple windows'  PLEASE  some 
of us might understand this, but just get back to the drawing board.


Unity testing folk - please use plain English for a change 

Norman, please continue, and ask this list at every hurdle. It's worth 
it. If only to try the latest Unity lenses. Unity under 12.04 is 
awesome


Regards, Barry.



I have to admit, I tried to go through the testing, and got lost with 
some of the things they want you to do, so I gave up, and following 
this, if I had that problem with the partition, I dont think it would 
have been as simple for me to understand how to get around itbut 
I have to say, I am amazed at 12.04, I have been using it as my main OS, 
and have only come across a few things that caused a problem, and I have 
to admit, its got me liking Unity.which I didnt think I would, way 
to goI dont open too many windows, though I am having problems 
getting used to Gimp which I finding a bit confusing with the way the 
windows open, but if I dont have the main window maximised, I am ok..


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Google Chrome wont load......

[John]

On 05/04/12 11:39, Colin Law wrote:

On 5 April 2012 11:10, scoundrel50a  wrote:

I am running in a partition Ubuntu 11.10, and today I got a rather large
update. and after rebooting, Google chrome stopped loading. The window
appeared for about 2 seconds after you click on the GC logo, and it then
closes.anybody have any ideas why that should be happening?

Could be this problem possibly
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/972821
linux-image-3.0.0-18-generic makes apport-gtk and chromium-browser
segfault on startup.

Colin

Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you, still having problems, 
still wont load...using 12.04 most of the time, but would still like 
to know why I cant get Chrome to load in 11.10.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shutdown bug?

[John Oliver]

Yeah, it did used to notify people that there are more users logged in. If two 
or more users were logged in, a dialogue box used to appear requesting 
authentication to continue shutting down. If you clicked cancel on that 
dialogue, you used to be brought back to gdm. I haven't really used multiple 
users since 10.04/10.10 so have no experience of what might happen now, but it 
definitely used to have this now missing behaviour.

Regards,
John Oliver 

On 30 Mar 2012, at 06:56, Neil Greenwood  wrote:

> I think it's by design. It used to shutdown regardless when users were logged 
> in, but this isn't desirable for multi-user systems. Now, it wouldn't matter 
> whether you tried to shutdown as the admin user or the normal user, as I 
> understand it. It will only log you out until no more users are logged in. As 
> Daniel said, you can force it with the right command.
> 
> I guess it could be clearer that there is still someone logged in, and I 
> believe this used to be clearer than it is with unity.
> 
> Neil.
> 
> P.S. Sorry for the brevity, this is typed on my phone.
> 
> On Mar 30, 2012 1:14 AM, "Daniel Case"  wrote:
> Hi Andres,
> 
> I have the same problem, so I will be monitoring this thread if anyone has 
> any answers. What I did as a workaround was create a keyboard shortcut with 
> "gksudo shutdown -h now" and it does the trick, just press the key 
> combination, type my password and the system is on its way to a clean 
> shutdown.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> On 29 March 2012 22:11, Andres Muniz  wrote:
> Hi all, 
> I do not know if this is a bug nor do i know how to call it to report it. And 
> maybe it was reported. 
> 
> If I am logged in with one user(a) i then choose to open another user(b) 
> without logging out of user(a). 
> When logged in as (b) and tap shutdown button on my computer and the message 
> apears to saying it will shut down in 60s. I choose shutdown. But it sends me 
> to the log in screen with no feedback as to why i can not shut down. In the 
> log in sceen i tap the power button once like befor but nothing happens. I 
> then go to the top right and select shutdown and nothing happens. 
> What i need to do is log into user (a) and shutdown from there. 
> 
> (A) is a normal user. 
> (b) is admin group.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] libreoffice

[John Oliver]

Quite right; I meant the files, not the whole folder.
On 27/03/12 07:40, Neil Greenwood wrote:


Just to correct the assertion below: /tmp is writable for all users, 
typically files downloaded there might have their permissions set to 
read-only though.


Sorry I can't help with the original question!

Neil.

P.S. Sorry for the brevity, this is typed on my phone.

On Mar 26, 2012 6:56 PM, "John Oliver" <mailto:jp.oli...@ntlworld.com>> wrote:


There is a little button that looks like a document with a pencil
on it about 5 icons to the right of the new document button.
(Called Edit Document). Pressing it will make a copy of the file
and open it for editing.

The usual reason for this is a file is downloaded from the
Internet to the /tmp directory, which is read-only to all except
the root user.

Regards,
John Oliver

On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:23, paul sutton mailto:zl...@zleap.net>> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am trying to fill in an application form sent to me in docx
format, I
> have saved as odf otherwise editing saving and reopening a docx file
> results in seriously messed up file.
>
> I have a table for work history etc,  which when i try and edit
I get
> things like read only content,  modified content will not be
applied,  I
> need to edit these sections to add stuff.
>
> I NEED to get it filled in,  how do I remove what ever is
causing this
> to be read only,  I should be able to simply edit the document,
  but I
> can't
>
> Getting realled stressed out with it.
>
> Please help,  there must be a way to edit the file properties,   the
> file it self is NOT read only its internal to the file,  i can't
find
> where to go in libreoffice to make parts of the file writeable.
>
> thanks
>
> Paul
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] libreoffice

[John Oliver]

I opened the file, and when I clicked on the Edit button, it demanded a 
password. Instead, I saved it as an ODT and it then allowed me to edit 
the document fully, with no other problems.


It may be that the document actually uses Word macros, which do not work 
with LibreOffice properly. Try contacting the CES to ask for a copy in a 
format which can be read by other word processors?


On 26/03/12 19:27, paul sutton wrote:

On 26/03/12 18:55, John Oliver wrote:

There is a little button that looks like a document with a pencil on it about 5 
icons to the right of the new document button. (Called Edit Document). Pressing 
it will make a copy of the file and open it for editing.

The usual reason for this is a file is downloaded from the Internet to the /tmp 
directory, which is read-only to all except the root user.

Regards,
John Oliver

On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:23, paul sutton  wrote:


Hi

I am trying to fill in an application form sent to me in docx format, I
have saved as odf otherwise editing saving and reopening a docx file
results in seriously messed up file.

I have a table for work history etc,  which when i try and edit I get
things like read only content,  modified content will not be applied,  I
need to edit these sections to add stuff.

I NEED to get it filled in,  how do I remove what ever is causing this
to be read only,  I should be able to simply edit the document,   but I
can't

Getting realled stressed out with it.

Please help,  there must be a way to edit the file properties,   the
file it self is NOT read only its internal to the file,  i can't find
where to go in libreoffice to make parts of the file writeable.

thanks

Paul

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the file has editable fields,   and tables with small grey boxes in that
can be used to type in information (application form)

I CANNOT describe easily the issue, (see url + info below offending file in 
dropbox) try putting your cursor out
side of the tables and type something,  try adding new rows to the work
history section and you may get an idea of what is going wrong.

feel free to open and save as odt as I get the same issues.  Actually
your solution may even allow me to enter text but not in the areas that
seem protected.

Either way docx files end up corrupted if opened edited then saved and 
re-opened last time I did that i ended up with a real issue with a table, 
seriously messed up,




have added a url to my drop box folder to the offending file

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3356122/misc/AppForm-SupportStaff-v4%20-%2006.10.11CES.doc


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] libreoffice

[John Oliver]

There is a little button that looks like a document with a pencil on it about 5 
icons to the right of the new document button. (Called Edit Document). Pressing 
it will make a copy of the file and open it for editing.

The usual reason for this is a file is downloaded from the Internet to the /tmp 
directory, which is read-only to all except the root user.

Regards,
John Oliver 

On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:23, paul sutton  wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I am trying to fill in an application form sent to me in docx format, I
> have saved as odf otherwise editing saving and reopening a docx file
> results in seriously messed up file.
> 
> I have a table for work history etc,  which when i try and edit I get
> things like read only content,  modified content will not be applied,  I
> need to edit these sections to add stuff.
> 
> I NEED to get it filled in,  how do I remove what ever is causing this
> to be read only,  I should be able to simply edit the document,   but I
> can't
> 
> Getting realled stressed out with it. 
> 
> Please help,  there must be a way to edit the file properties,   the
> file it self is NOT read only its internal to the file,  i can't find
> where to go in libreoffice to make parts of the file writeable.
> 
> thanks
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....

[John Oliver]

Personally, I think that the code should continue to be maintained. The 
argument being put forth sounds to me like "It is not the default, 
therefore no-one can have it". This argument does not work - look at 
Windows - the taskbar has an autohide option. Look at OS X; the much 
gone-on-about "full screen" mode (a.k.a. hide the dock) has just been added.




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cant open brasero

[John MM]

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 13 March 2012 10:01, scoundrel50a  wrote:
> > I am running 11.10 and I'm trying to burn an image using brasero but
> when I
> > click on the icon, nothing happens.can somebody help?
>
> What happens if run it from a terminal (just type brasero)
>
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Hi, sorry I took so long to get back to you, have a few health problems
that have been causing some problems.

I tried typing brasero into a terminal and got this message

brasero: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.6: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory

anybody know what that means, and if it cant be fixed is there another
program to use that can burn images...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server 11.10 -- how do I enable remot access via Putty?

[john beddard]

Hi Alex,

sudo ufw allow ssh  if your using ufw firewalls on both client and
server. However my guess is that the problem is likely connected to
password permissions, after exchanging keys.

The Ubuntu help documentation is very useful in this area :
https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html

John

On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 17:01 +, Alexander Birchall wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I thought I was quite experienced at administering a Ubuntu Server,
> but I am totally confused by the graphical desktop for Ubuntu Server
> 11.10.
>  
> I need to be able to remotely connect to the server with Putty (my
> choice for remote access to servers).  But how do I enable this remote
> access -- when I try I get a message saying network connection
> refused.
>  
> Do I need to disable/configure a firewall?  How would I do that?
>  
> Hoping someone can assist.
>  
> Best wishes,
>  
> Alex
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi

[john beddard]

On 29/02/12 21:25, Steve Pearce wrote:
> On 29/02/12 21:06, john beddard wrote:
>> Fantastic dedication Paul,
>>
>> Hope that they are looking towards broadening their production base. I
>> know that the BBC have been looking to repeat the success that they had
>> with the Acorn. No doubt they will be looking towards developing series
>> based around the Pi.
>>
>> Guess my order will arrive somewhere around June.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> I'm not sure of the validity of this, but it seems that a BBC Computer
> Literacy Project for 2012 is in the works:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Computer_Literacy_Project_2012
>
> It sounds like a body of cross platform educational tools which could
> run on Ubuntu, Mac, Windows and of course the RaspberryPi. Let's hope
> that whatever it is they come out with is released as Free Software.
>
> --stevepdp
>
Absolutely Steve,

I worked in a lab where someone was working with Arduino. Some senior
people from BBC said that it was just what they had been looking for. I
haven't seen anything since, however I think that the popularity of Pi
could carry the day this time. I'm sure that other variations will also
come to the surface.

Other developments, such as YaCy : http://yacy.net/en/ suggest that a
tipping point towards Free Software is arriving.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi

[john beddard]

On 29/02/12 20:45, Steve Pearce wrote:
> On 29/02/12 17:27, john beddard wrote:
> > This the breakthrough we needed !
> >
> >
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&cm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi
> >
> > Has anyone got one yet ?
>
> I was up at 05:30 for the announcement and was quite lucky to secure
> my Pi a couple of hours later, but considering my expected delivery
> date is mid April; I don't think it's a part of the initial 10,000 batch.
>
> On 29/02/12 18:38, Paul Sladen wrote:
>> For those wondering:
>>
>>Ubuntu targets the ARMv7 *instruction set*
>>Raspberry Pi is only ARMv6 *instruction set*
>>
>> See:
>>
>>http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM#ARM_Processor
>>
>> This means that the out-of-the-box the .deb packages in Ubuntu won't
>> work.  —ARMv6 support was dropped in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ("lucid").
>>
>> Hopefully once RPs are out there in massive numbers it'll be possible
>> to do a re-built version of Ubuntu; and to possibly make things
>> transparently work with multi-arch.
>
> Unity is such a fresh and exciting environment to study and use. I
> imagine kids would get excited about it on looks alone. It's so much
> classier than what they're used to seeing on their smartboards.
>
> Imagine if Unity could be optimized to run well on the such low-end
> hardware. Or if that's not realistic then consider a new window
> manager that takes all of the design principles of the Unity desktop
> but strips out a lot of the integration so as to improve performance.
> It would be king!
>
> Unfortunately porting platforms to different architectures and
> developing window managers is way out of my range of understanding
> currently, but it's something I'm keen to learn about :-)
>
> We need to make Ubuntu and/or Unity on RaspberryPi a reality!
>
> --stevepdp
>
Fantastic dedication Paul,

Hope that they are looking towards broadening their production base. I
know that the BBC have been looking to repeat the success that they had
with the Acorn. No doubt they will be looking towards developing series
based around the Pi.

Guess my order will arrive somewhere around June.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi

[john beddard]

On 29/02/12 18:07, Rob Beard wrote:
> On 29/02/12 17:27, john beddard wrote:
>> This the breakthrough we needed !
>>
>> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&cm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi
>>
>>
>> Has anyone got one yet ?
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Probably like many others I was up at 6am to try and order one but I
> wasn't so lucky, but I registered my interest.  I'm looking forward to
> getting a couple to play with (got a couple of ideas so far).
>
> Rob
>
Likewise Rob,

Registered interest in 2. Looking forward to using the command line.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi

[john beddard]

On 29/02/12 17:52, Simon Greenwood wrote:
>
>
> On 29 February 2012 17:41, Andy Braben  <mailto:andybra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On 29 February 2012 17:27, john beddard  <mailto:j...@creationspace.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> This the breakthrough we needed !
>
> 
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&cm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi
> 
> <http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&cm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi>
>
>
> says Fedora
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17190334
>
> says Debian.
>
> I doubt if they have a full standard install of either operating
> system.
> -- 
>
>
>
> The Fedora build is a desktop build (called a remix, so probably not
> with all the bangs and whistles of the out of the box DVD distro) and
> fits on a 2Gb SD card. The Debian build is, I believe, more server
> oriented, but that's Debian generally is. XFCE will run happily in
> 256Mb of RAM and there are other small GUIs with the same kind of
> footprint/
>
> s/
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> "more of a stain than a globule"
>
>
>
Yes, but at least its going to popularise Linux in the school
environment. Along with making coding fun.
It will almost certainly not be a full standard install of either Fedora
or Debian. However it presents a breakthrough that can be built on.

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[ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi

[john beddard]

This the breakthrough we needed !

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi&cm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi

Has anyone got one yet ?

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[ubuntu-uk] DFD

[john beddard]

Don't forget everyone :

DFD 2012

http://www.documentfreedom.org/

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[ubuntu-uk] Guardian article on Ubuntu & mobile computing

[John Levin]

Hi All,

Just a heads up for an interesting article in the Guardian (or on their 
website - haven't seen the print edition) about Ubuntu & mobile computing:


Ubuntu crests new wave of mobile computing solutions
The popular Linux distributor is helping travellers turn smart phones 
into laptops, but we've barely imagined the potential

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/23/ubuntu-crests-new-wave-mobile-computing

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 11.10

[John Oliver]

If it is only Firefox and Thunderbird affected, check the settings of those 
applications for stray proxy settings etc. Whilst I don't see how such peculiar 
settings could have come into force, they could have done, and my advice is to 
check the network settings in Firefox/Thunderbird preferences.

Regards,
John Oliver 

On 17 Feb 2012, at 14:25, scoundrel50a  wrote:

> On 17/02/2012 13:36, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 17 February 2012 12:32, Simon Greenwood  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 17 February 2012 12:29, Matthew Rees  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Installed from a Ubuntu Disc to my T60 IBM Laptop! Both wired and wireless
>>>> are connected but neither Firefox or Thunderbird will connect. I'm a 
>>>> convert
>>>> from Windows but can't get up the first step? Help! Its for work!
>>> 
>>> Can you ping out from the laptop? Open a terminal and try and ping your ADSL
>>> router (probably 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.1.254).
>> Simon's advice is good.
>> 
>> Also, I suggest you try getting wired working first - disconnect or
>> turn off wireless - update your machine and /then/ disconnect the
>> cable and try wireless. Both at once is just asking for trouble.
>> 
> I know this might seem simple, but have you rebooted since installing, I 
> sometimes find that a reboot fixes some problems, especially with the 
> wireless connections.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] mbr

[John MM]

Not an attitude, just a question
On Jan 28, 2012 7:23 PM, "Andy Smith"  wrote:

> Hello scoundrel50a,
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:40:33PM +, scoundrel50a wrote:
> > What is so wrong about wanting to be able to securely wipe an
> > hdd.
>
> Nothing. As I stated, a simple single pass of dd is all that's
> needed to practically do that, and if you need more than that then
> DBAN's your tool.
>
> I use DBAN myself on anything that has other people's data on it
> just so I can honestly say to them that the data is gone. For my own
> stuff I am happy with a single pass of dd.
>
> > and why do people feel the need to be so condescending when
> > somebody asks about it...trying to make the person asking look
> > guilty..funny thing, you seem to know how to do it, even with the
> > attitude..
>
> Where is _your_ attitude coming from? I wasn't trying to make anyone
> look guilty. No one even made any outlandish suggestions yet so who
> would I be trying to make look guilty!? The people who do exactly
> the same as what I do?
>
> It is common that people think that all manner of extreme measures
> are required, and I was just trying to head that off in a humourous
> way so we didn't need to go there. As it turns out I completely
> missed the mark anyway because he wasn't actually asking about
> secure data deletion.
>
> Maybe I hit a little too close to home. It's OK, scoundrel50a, I
> won't come looking for your island fortress. Stand down your
> henchpersons. Have a great weekend!
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix

[John MM]

Oh well, there is a pity, I will have to use my mac..

thanks for all your help.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:57 AM, John Oliver wrote:

> http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/moonlight-list/2011-December/001392.html
>
> This is the email I was referring to in the previous message. The mailing
> list has had no activity this side of Christmas.
>
> Regards,
> John Oliver
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* John Oliver 
> *Date:* 18 January 2012 00:51:44 GMT
> *To:* "easily.remembe...@yahoo.co.uk" , UK
> Ubuntu Talk 
> *Subject:* *Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix*
>
> I was looking through the moonlight mailing list archives the other week
> and the project seems to be dead on its feet.
>
> As for Netflix, it doesn't work on Linux because the DRM components are
> only for Silverlight on Windows and Mac.
>
> Regards,
> John Oliver
>
> On 17 Jan 2012, at 22:53, easily.remembe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> From my experience moonlight is useless for watching movies and other
> streaming sources because it does not support DRM
>
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: James Morrissey 
>
> Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:52:08
>
> To: UK Ubuntu Talk
>
> Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk 
>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix
>
>
> I am not sure about netflix and silverlight, but the open source
>
> alternative for silverlight is called 'moonlight'
>
> (http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight). I tried it for something once
>
> but couldn't get it to work.
>
>
> I think, from an old conversation on here, that someone on this list
>
> is actually a developer on the mono project. If i am right, i am sure
>
> they will be able to help more.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> James.
>
>
> On 17 January 2012 22:45, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>
> Has anybody got this to work in Ubuntu 11.10, I tried but it said I could
>
> only view it in Windows and Mac..I think it needs Microsoft
> Silverlight,
>
> I have heard there is a Linux version of that, but cant find
> anybody
>
> know?
>
>
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[ubuntu-uk] Netflix

[John Oliver]

http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/moonlight-list/2011-December/001392.html

This is the email I was referring to in the previous message. The mailing list 
has had no activity this side of Christmas.

Regards,
John Oliver 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: John Oliver 
> Date: 18 January 2012 00:51:44 GMT
> To: "easily.remembe...@yahoo.co.uk" , UK 
> Ubuntu Talk 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix
> 
> I was looking through the moonlight mailing list archives the other week and 
> the project seems to be dead on its feet. 
> 
> As for Netflix, it doesn't work on Linux because the DRM components are only 
> for Silverlight on Windows and Mac.
> 
> Regards,
> John Oliver 
> 
> On 17 Jan 2012, at 22:53, easily.remembe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> 
>> From my experience moonlight is useless for watching movies and other 
>> streaming sources because it does not support DRM
>> 
>> Peter
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: James Morrissey 
>> Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:52:08 
>> To: UK Ubuntu Talk
>> Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk 
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix
>> 
>> I am not sure about netflix and silverlight, but the open source
>> alternative for silverlight is called 'moonlight'
>> (http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight). I tried it for something once
>> but couldn't get it to work.
>> 
>> I think, from an old conversation on here, that someone on this list
>> is actually a developer on the mono project. If i am right, i am sure
>> they will be able to help more.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> James.
>> 
>> On 17 January 2012 22:45, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>>> Has anybody got this to work in Ubuntu 11.10, I tried but it said I could
>>> only view it in Windows and Mac..I think it needs Microsoft Silverlight,
>>> I have heard there is a Linux version of that, but cant find anybody
>>> know?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix

[John Oliver]

I was looking through the moonlight mailing list archives the other week and 
the project seems to be dead on its feet. 

As for Netflix, it doesn't work on Linux because the DRM components are only 
for Silverlight on Windows and Mac.

Regards,
John Oliver 

On 17 Jan 2012, at 22:53, easily.remembe...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> From my experience moonlight is useless for watching movies and other 
> streaming sources because it does not support DRM
> 
> Peter
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: James Morrissey 
> Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:52:08 
> To: UK Ubuntu Talk
> Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netflix
> 
> I am not sure about netflix and silverlight, but the open source
> alternative for silverlight is called 'moonlight'
> (http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight). I tried it for something once
> but couldn't get it to work.
> 
> I think, from an old conversation on here, that someone on this list
> is actually a developer on the mono project. If i am right, i am sure
> they will be able to help more.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> James.
> 
> On 17 January 2012 22:45, scoundrel50a  wrote:
>> Has anybody got this to work in Ubuntu 11.10, I tried but it said I could
>> only view it in Windows and Mac..I think it needs Microsoft Silverlight,
>> I have heard there is a Linux version of that, but cant find anybody
>> know?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shut down button missing on upgrade

[John MM]

So how do we figure out why it isn't running?
On Jan 5, 2012 5:55 PM, "James Tait"  wrote:

> On 05/01/12 15:06, scoundrel50a wrote:
>
>> Wow, that helped sort of. It is something to do with
>> gnome-settings-daemon. If I enter that into a terminal, funny thing
>> happens in the left panel and the top panel, and the Drop down menu
>> appears. If I close the terminal, it goes away again
>>
>
> Yes - this is because when you close the terminal, you also terminate and
> subprocesses launched from it, in this case gnome-settings-daemon. You can
> append a '&' (i.e. gnome-settings-daemon&) to background the process and
> then it should continue running after the terminal window is closed.
>  Alternatively, you can keep the terminal open, which might help you to
> track down whatever it is that's causing gnome-settings-daemon to crash, or
> see below
>
>  does that mean the gnome-settings-daemon
>> is not running,
>>
>
> Yes. :)
>
>   and should it be running all the time,
>>
>
> Yes. :)
>
>   and also, how can
>> I get the Icon to remain, without having to keep the terminal open..
>>
>
> You can run it from the "Run a command" prompt via alt-F2, but the
> important point here is that you shouldn't need to - it should already be
> running.  Something is causing it to crash, and it would be nice if we
> could figure out what.
>
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[ubuntu-uk] Shut down button missing on upgrade

[John MM]

I recently upgraded my Acer Aspire One, which seemed to go ok, but on the
top panel, the drop down menu Icon that looks like a circle with a line
through it is missing. In order to even log off now is impossible, unless I
use the On/Off button. Anybody know how I can get it back, please...
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[ubuntu-uk] Tomboy alternative

[John MM]

Just wondered, is there an alternative, that can be used on ask platforms?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Shutdown/Logout and Teamspeak

[John Oliver]

On 24/12/11 08:29, bod...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi,

Do you mean the client or server?

I haven't used teamspeak in years and I don't know if they have a linux 
version, but when you shutdown, the app will close anyway as any normal program.

Bodsda
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

-Original Message-----
From: John Oliver
Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:34:18
To:
Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Shutdown/Logout and Teamspeak

I just wondered if any of you use Teamspeak on Ubuntu, and if you do,
does shutting down or logging out cause, not for full shutdown/logout to
occur, but for just the Teamspeak application to exit/close, meaning I
have to shut down "twice".

As the application is proprietary, it may not be expected to integrate
well with Ubuntu-  but it does feature Global Menu integration, and is
written (I believe) for Qt.

Regards,
John Oliver

I was talking about the client - I find it closes immediately in XFCE, 
but in GNOME/Unity, I always have to "shut down twice"


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[ubuntu-uk] Exchange in Thunderbird

[John Oliver]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knows of any way to connect to a corporate 
Microsoft Exchange server via Thunderbird? This would help me greatly in 
my work, as having to use OWA (Light, 2007), which is one of the least 
intuitive pieces of software released by Microsoft, is a bit of a pain 
for me, as reading emails becomes a chore, and I can only send them back 
out in plain text format, which isn't especially fabulous for me.


In Ubuntu 11.04 and before it, when Evolution was default, built-in 
Exchange support was on offer, and I used it. If anyone does know a way 
to access Exchange through Thunderbird, I would be grateful if you could 
assist me.


Regards,
John Oliver
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[ubuntu-uk] Shutdown/Logout and Teamspeak

[John Oliver]

I just wondered if any of you use Teamspeak on Ubuntu, and if you do, 
does shutting down or logging out cause, not for full shutdown/logout to 
occur, but for just the Teamspeak application to exit/close, meaning I 
have to shut down "twice".


As the application is proprietary, it may not be expected to integrate 
well with Ubuntu-  but it does feature Global Menu integration, and is 
written (I believe) for Qt.


Regards,
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[ubuntu-uk] Newcastle Happy Hour

[john beddard]

If anyone is interested in meeting up in Newcastle. Or is already doing
so. I would like to link-up and contribute.

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[ubuntu-uk] Are we missing the point ?

[John Davis]

Many thanks for your interesting responses to my question.

I enjoy Ubuntu and have seen it grow from early beginnings to what it is 
now.


 Early on, I was bored and frustrated with Windows, Ubuntu was new, 
exciting and a challenge to learn.


The free specialised software filled a gap that the commercials did not 
and I liked that.


When Ubuntu first appeared, I imagined children in 3rd world countries 
using cheap computers  with Ubuntu.


Developers sitting in bedsits writing software, all for the common good.

I am grateful for all who have donated their software to the cause.

Canonical seems to have moved on and by necessity has had to become more 
commercial.


I approve of that,just because something is free, does not make it better.

I would pay for Ubuntu, if the money could be channelled into 
developing  better applications that  were more cross platform friendly.


Perhaps we should concentrate less on the myriad of distros,which seem 
to detract from moving forward,


Just a view !

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[ubuntu-uk] Are we missing the point with an OS ?

[John Davis]

I am an experienced Linux/Ubuntu user, I went to night school to learn it.
I use Ubuntu and Windows 7 on a daily basis and think that the OS is 
just somewhere to store the programmes I need to work with.


 In Windows, it is the Apps that have to perform properly, like 
Office,Photoshop, email  etc.


It seems that with Ubuntu et al, effort is put into the OS but it does 
not seem the same with the applications,  there developers seem to be 
left to their own devices. Without applications,  the OS is useless.


I think this is why cloud computing is becoming more popular,

Or am I missing the point,

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[ubuntu-uk] Medion NAS Server

[John Davis]

Medion NAS server


This item is for sale at my local Aldi in Germany. I have no experience 
with servers  but am interested in hosting my own web page and having 
storage for my own video output.


I have installed Ubuntu server system before but could not understand, 
even after reading the help files how to do it configurer it


Could anyone in the group offer any advice on this server and whether it 
would be suitable ?



It is a Medion Life P89626  with a 1.5 GB hard drive dual core ARM processor
2 x USB
1 X Lan rj-45 ethernet 10/100 & gigabit
TCP/IP protocol
UPNP DNLA server with Twonk Media

i Tunes-/FTP-/Samba-server

integrated download manager.

Price 99-99 euros. about £84


Seems like a reasonable deal.

I assume that I access my videos etc through the router and browser ?

Any help gratefully received

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

[john beddard]

On 19/11/11 09:28, Gareth France wrote:
> I have no interest in borrowing money whatsoever. I'm hoping to develop in
> the direction of group meets, training days etc. I'm intrigued by the idea
> of install fests, plenty of opportunities out there.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, john beddard wrote:
> 
>> On 19/11/11 00:50, Gareth France wrote:
>>> Naturally everything is in it's infancy right now. I'll be providing a
>> mix
>>> of new and reasonable spec second hand machines. Expect the range to be
>>> rather limited at first but I'll be looking to grow it quite quickly.
>>>
>>> The website isn't up just yet but the email is working
>>> sa...@cliftonts.co.ukor I'm always available by phone on 07973 281384.
>>> I'm based in Bucks but
>>> I'm looking into shipping options at the moment and it should be easily
>>> do-able. Check out http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com and expect to
>> see me
>>> at most of their events from now on.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Alan Bell >> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/11/11 00:42, Gareth France wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm toying with moving on to arranging a met up for those interested
>> as I
>>>>> collect them and just generally trying to get a bit of a buzz locally.
>>>>> Thanks for the offer, of course keeping costs low will be crucial to
>> making
>>>>> this work. I'll be in touch in due course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> where in the country are you based? How can people on the list find you
>> to
>>>> get one of your fine pre-installed Ubuntu machines?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Gareth,
>>
>> Open-source developments such as Ubuntu, lend themselves naturally to
>> furthering local community development. For example if you offer some
>> sort of training to local people, possibly around a LoCo. You will find
>> that the local council will be really interested in some sort of
>> regeneration funding. Most of them are now frantically looking for
>> alternatives away from the 'retail bubble.'
>>
>> Another possibility is to consider looking at becoming a Social
>> Enterprise, such as a Community Investment Company (CIC). Where
>> investors and funding agencies really understand relatively new ideas
>> such as, open-source and crowdsourcing. I believe that there are good
>> funding possibilities for CICs.
>>
>> Don't forget that taking traditional bank funding can also limit your
>> company's flexibility grow. Largely because the bank is only interested
>> in making money from your business. They have no interest in supporting
>> fresh new ideas.
>>
>> John
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> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

[john beddard]

On 19/11/11 00:50, Gareth France wrote:
> Naturally everything is in it's infancy right now. I'll be providing a mix
> of new and reasonable spec second hand machines. Expect the range to be
> rather limited at first but I'll be looking to grow it quite quickly.
> 
> The website isn't up just yet but the email is working
> sa...@cliftonts.co.ukor I'm always available by phone on 07973 281384.
> I'm based in Bucks but
> I'm looking into shipping options at the moment and it should be easily
> do-able. Check out http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com and expect to see me
> at most of their events from now on.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Alan Bell wrote:
> 
>> On 19/11/11 00:42, Gareth France wrote:
>>
>>> I'm toying with moving on to arranging a met up for those interested as I
>>> collect them and just generally trying to get a bit of a buzz locally.
>>> Thanks for the offer, of course keeping costs low will be crucial to making
>>> this work. I'll be in touch in due course.
>>>
>>
>> where in the country are you based? How can people on the list find you to
>> get one of your fine pre-installed Ubuntu machines?
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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>>
> 
> 
> 
Gareth,

Open-source developments such as Ubuntu, lend themselves naturally to
furthering local community development. For example if you offer some
sort of training to local people, possibly around a LoCo. You will find
that the local council will be really interested in some sort of
regeneration funding. Most of them are now frantically looking for
alternatives away from the 'retail bubble.'

Another possibility is to consider looking at becoming a Social
Enterprise, such as a Community Investment Company (CIC). Where
investors and funding agencies really understand relatively new ideas
such as, open-source and crowdsourcing. I believe that there are good
funding possibilities for CICs.

Don't forget that taking traditional bank funding can also limit your
company's flexibility grow. Largely because the bank is only interested
in making money from your business. They have no interest in supporting
fresh new ideas.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] uname -a for 32 bit os on 64 bit cpu

[John Levin]

On 14/11/2011 19:27, Avi Greenbury wrote:

John Levin wrote:


I'm writing a bit of documentation, and am having trouble with uname.
What does uname -a produce for a 32 bit operating system running on a
64 bit cpu?


uname reports information about the kernel, not the hardware. So for a
32-bit kernel it will report 32-bit information (with strings like i386
and i686), and on a 64-bit kernel it will contain 64-bit sorts of
strings (x86_64, amd64 etc.)

Precisely what it says depends upon what the person who built the
kernel told it to, though.



Thanks to everyone who replied. Does seem that uname reports the kernel, 
and not the hardware, which is what is suggested by the man page and 
http://ss64.com/bash/uname.html


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http://anterotesis.com/wordpress/2011/11/installing-zotero-standalone-on-ubuntu-11-10/
Comments, clarifications etc welcome.
And also, I hope it is useful for installing other non-deb executables.

John

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[ubuntu-uk] uname -a for 32 bit os on 64 bit cpu

[John Levin]

Hi all,

I'm writing a bit of documentation, and am having trouble with uname. 
What does uname -a produce for a 32 bit operating system running on a 64 
bit cpu? If anyone is running such a system, if they could cut & paste 
the output, I'd be very much obliged.


PS: Thanks to Alan Lord & Simon Greenwood for their replies to my 
question (from ages ago) about installing non-deb apps. I was having a 
terminology problem!


John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

[John MM]

I dont use gwibber or any of the other programs like that in Ubuntu, I go
back to windows, because I most people I know are on Yahoo, and I was never
able to work out how to connect the camera, so I could chat, which client
Ubuntu connects to things like msn and yahoo using the camera.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Courses/Certification/UK

[john beddard]

On 25/10/11 19:26, Barry Titterton wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 16:47 +0100, john beddard wrote:
>> On 25/10/11 13:35, MS wrote:Hello Steve,
>>
>> I would recommend the Ubuntu Professional Course available from Ubuntu's
>> own Training Team. Its half the price of the O.U Course and is
>> extensive, with something like 16 modules. Its an ideal preparation for
>> the more extensive Ubuntu Server Course. Although it requires the
>> discipline of self-study.
>>
>> My own motivation for the doing this is to build an openstreet map
>> server, with openstreet map being built on the Ubuntu Server.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>  John
>>
> John,
>
> What competence level does the Ubuntu Professional Course start at?
>
> Barry T
>
>
Hi Barry,

I would say that it's a good introductory course to using the command
line within different structured areas of Ubuntu :
https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=533 Any
experience using command line is useful. It is aimed at Sys Admins.
After a while the knowledge needed is extensive, so is the knowledge
gained : there is no end to the learning process.

With a background in networks, I wanted a structured course in order to
gain experience with Linux/Unix command line, which is extensive. This
course has really got me into Ubuntu. I found the book 'Ubuntu Linux' by
Chris Nergus and Francois Caen to be useful in broadening and sometimes
deepening the course.

The Ubuntu Prof Course has more command line than the Linux equivalent
LPIC-1 and is less explanatory. The two are now considered separate
qualifications. Although the Ubuntu Prof Course really needs to be done
in the context of providing the basis for the Server and Cloud Computing
Courses. Each module ends with a quiz and the course is just completed :
unless there is a surprise exam waiting for me ! The course is
self-paced with a maximum of one year to access the materials on-line.

One surprising aspect of the course was that i was also able to quickly 
understand the Windows file and command system. My hope is that the
Server and Cloud Courses come up to the professional level of Cisco
Certification Courses. It would be good to build learning groups around
the Ubuntu Prof Course.

Hope This Helps !

  John



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Courses/Certification/UK

[john beddard]

On 25/10/11 13:35, MS wrote:Hello Steve,

I would recommend the Ubuntu Professional Course available from Ubuntu's
own Training Team. Its half the price of the O.U Course and is
extensive, with something like 16 modules. Its an ideal preparation for
the more extensive Ubuntu Server Course. Although it requires the
discipline of self-study.

My own motivation for the doing this is to build an openstreet map
server, with openstreet map being built on the Ubuntu Server.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Feeling tortured by Ubuntu

[John Stevenson]

On 20 October 2011 12:52, paul sutton  wrote:

> **
>
>  In my humble experience running 100 tabs in any browser for an extended
> period of time can lead to slow response times for your browser.  If you go
> to a lot of flash sites (hard to avoid) with Chrome / Chromium then that's a
> lot of flash plugin that can leak memory and potentially cause issues even
> after Chromium is closed.
>
> Have you thought about using flash block this will then allow you to click
> on any flash components you want by just clicking on them,  It seems to be a
> lot of the flash on a site is irrelevant, adverts or other rubbish so out of
> say 10 flash components 1 may be useful to what you want to do.
>

I have flashblock for firefox and it makes a big difference, making browsing
more lightweight than Chromium without.  I didnt know you could get
flashblock for Chromium, so will add that immediately.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Feeling tortured by Ubuntu

[John Stevenson]

On 20 October 2011 11:33, Kris Douglas  wrote:

> Hello, I am coming back to post my findings, I have been experiencing
> this problem with the last two releases of Ubuntu.
>
> Currently Compiz is using 247MB of RAM, which is a lot, but as a
> percentage of my current system RAM, it's negligible.
>
> Chromium Nightly is the next highest user, which makes sense
> considering I can have up to 100 tabs open at a time, however, when
> all the chromium processes are killed, the system remains sluggish. It
> usually uses around 200-220MB of RAM.
>
> The final notable high user is Nautilus, running in around 130MB RAM.
>
> Current swap usage is 160KB as my memory usage never actually goes
> over the 8GB the system has installed. (I thought it was 6GB to start
> with...)
>
> CPU usage, with a few tabs open, system monitor, update manager and
> Spotify is currently, 0.11,0.06,0.05, which is far from overloaded.
>
> I am however currently experiencing this sluggishness.
>
> Machine Specifications:
> AMD Phenom II 965 Black Edition (Quad Core at 3.41GHz)
> 6GB DDR3 1333MHz
> 2x 250GB Samsung 7200RPM Drives
> NVIDIA 9600GT 1GB
>
> Ubuntu Release 11.10
> Kernel 3.0.0-12-generic-pae
> Running Unity 3D & Docky
>

In my humble experience running 100 tabs in any browser for an extended
period of time can lead to slow response times for your browser.  If you go
to a lot of flash sites (hard to avoid) with Chrome / Chromium then that's a
lot of flash plugin that can leak memory and potentially cause issues even
after Chromium is closed.

Try a day with a maximum of 10 tabs in on browser (and one browser window)
and see if you still get performance issues.

Also check if you have ubuntuone-syncd running.  Ubuntu 11.10 may add this
back in at startup as part of the change of desktop manager (LightDM)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Party Party

[John Stevenson]

On 7 October 2011 19:48, Alan Pope  wrote:

> On 7 October 2011 19:45, John Stevenson  wrote:
> > I have reserved an area in The Shooting Star 125-129, Middlesex St,
> London,
> > E1 7JF [map] [gmap] on Sunday 16th.   Doors open around 12 noon.  They
> have
> > WiFi and they are not that busy on a Sunday last time I ran one - except
> for
> > the 25 or so Ubuntu fans that turned up.  I am planning on adding a
> sign-up
> > page for the install party this weekend and letting people know.
> >
>
> Excellent! Great work. Lets get this pimped :)
>
> Have added it to the calendar of the podcast so we'll mention it next week.
>

Hello Alan,
I have created an event on the Ubuntu Loco site for the install party in
London on the 16th.
http://jr0cket.blogspot.com/2011/10/free-install-party-16-october-2011-12.html

I also have an announcement on my blog about it.  Previous times I have run
this we have had between 20 and 47 people turn up for the event, so
hopefully it will be another good turnout.
http://jr0cket.blogspot.com/2011/10/free-install-party-16-october-2011-12.html

I am afraid I dont seem to have access to the Ubuntu podcast calendar, so
cant add this event to it.  Sorry.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Party Party

[John Stevenson]

On 7 October 2011 19:38, Alan Bell  wrote:

> On 07/10/11 19:37, John Stevenson wrote:
>
>> Hello Alan,
>> Am I right in thinking these are social event for meeting other community
>> members and no actual Ubuntu installation will be taking place?
>>
> yes, that is basically right
>
>
>> If so, I am thinking of running an install party next weekend, on 16th
>> October.
>>
>>  cool, where?
>
> Alan.
>

Hello Alan,
I have reserved an area in The Shooting Star 125-129, Middlesex St, London,
E1 7JF 
[map]<http://www.beerintheevening.com/cgi-bin/map_link.cgi?id=4862&type=8>
[gmap]<http://www.beerintheevening.com/cgi-bin/map_link.cgi?id=4862&type=10>on
Sunday 16th.   Doors open around 12 noon.  They have WiFi and they are
not that busy on a Sunday last time I ran one - except for the 25 or so
Ubuntu fans that turned up.  I am planning on adding a sign-up page for the
install party this weekend and letting people know.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Party Party

[John Stevenson]

On 7 October 2011 17:53, Alan Bell  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> just a reminder about the release parties in London:
> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/**ubuntu-uk/1283/detail/<http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1283/detail/>
>
> and Leeds:
> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/**ubuntu-uk/1293/detail/<http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1293/detail/>
>
> both next Thursday, have fun
>
> Alan.
>

Hello Alan,
Am I right in thinking these are social event for meeting other community
members and no actual Ubuntu installation will be taking place?

If so, I am thinking of running an install party next weekend, on 16th
October.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

[John Oliver]

On 23/09/11 20:33, paul sutton wrote:

On 23/09/11 20:25, Avi Greenbury wrote:

Juan J. wrote:


On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 13:06 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

On 22/09/2011 00:06, Alan Bell wrote:

On 21/09/11 23:29, Bea Groves wrote:

Just read the following. Comments?


yeah, it is potentially very nasty.

Even more so when the next step could be to require signed keys to
run applications - then MS could control the hardware and the OS
AND what people actually run on it.

Don't you think laws regulating anti-competitive conduct will prevent
that to happen?


Why? It's not anti-competetive per se, it's just something that can be
used to be anti-competetive.

Banning signed bootloaders on the grounds of competition would be akin
to banning torrents on the grounds of piracy.

That's not to say there aren't other reasons to ban it, though.


Well as we can't get it banned easily lets find a way to educate people
properly about it so they know about it and how it may affect them

Paul



Is that not anti-competitive in the same way that the supposed 'secret 
API' was deemed anti-competitive (although that did turn out to not exist).




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Re: [ubuntu-uk] efi boot, Windows 8 and Linux

[John Oliver]

On 22/09/11 10:50, alan c wrote:

On 22/09/11 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote:

We would have to do a lot of awareness raising and support things like
install days to get round things like this.   as the borg say "we will
adapt"

The FLOSS world's lack of competence, or even appetite, for publicity
or marketing is the elephant in the room.

1) FLOSS, GNU/Linux etc, 'marketing' is pretty well non existent
compared to non free products. 'I advertise, therefore I exist'
(apologies to Descartes).

2) Of all things, marketing is -very- unsuited to the free libre,
distributed model.

To me, the upshot of this decision (if it is allowed to go through)* , 
is that it will simply make it much harder for the non-technical user 
who might decide to try Linux, to do so. I started using Ubuntu, 
personally, after my Windows XP "exploded" (a bit), and so I googled 
Linux, and found Ubuntu.


I do not think that any non-technical user of a computer is likely to 
want to even go into the BIOS, let alone possibly remove a cover and 
looking for small switches. It does act, in my view, as something that 
won't prevent non-technical users from installing, but make it seem too 
hard for them to continue bothering.


* I do, however, believe that the move by Microsoft will see fierce 
competition, and possibly even legal contest, from groups such as the 
FSF or the European Competition Commission, or the EFF. Additionally, 
many OEM's, especially on server systems, do support Linux, or variants 
thereupon, and will possibly disagree. It does make me wonder if big 
OEM's will start pulling out of things like the Windows Logo Program, 
but I'm not sure if it's likely, as the lack of that little sticker 
could indeed make prospective buyers worried, or uncertain.**


** This makes me think of this as another method of spreading FUD, but 
perhaps that's only me.


Regards,
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[ubuntu-uk] installing apps from tar.gz

[John Levin]

hi all,

I've installed zotero standalone 3.0beta1 on Ubuntu, from a tar.gz 
package. (http://www.zotero.org/support/3.0) Everything works, and I've 
added a menu entry. But as it stands, it's installed localy, for me 
only, and not for all users on the system. This doesn't really bother 
me, in that I'm the only user of this laptop, bt out of interest, is 
there any way of installing tar.gz packages system wide?


(I'm on ubuntu 10.10, btw)

Thanks,

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[ubuntu-uk] Compendium

[john]

Hello Everyone,I would like to share my favourite idea sharing/meeting software. Its a dialogue mapping tool called Compendiumdeveloped through the Open University. The more Ubuntu users that use it the better !http://cognexus.org/id66.htmJohn

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?

[john beddard]

They are not the same but successful platforms derive from the adoption 
of standards : usually taking years and loads of committee meetings.


A platform is like a bus. Get it into the bus station before the 
competition. Then leave no passengers behind. The saying' " Its more 
difficult to be popular, than to make money." reverberates around 
Silicon Valley.


The reason for Nokia's success in the early 90's came directly from the 
early adoption 3G standard in Finland. So Government can really support 
home business with the early adoption of standards. Hopefully in our 
case open-source. Especially with internet landscape changing so quickly 
now.


The Digital Economy will not support closed solutions based on 1980's 
business models. And the U.K can benefit from adopting the community 
based format.


John.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?

[john beddard]

Many Thanks Alan,

Platform standards are the key to the whole game. With the final 
decisions being made at the political level. Will keep up to date with 
U.K Government decision making.And join Open-Source Lobby.


John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?

[john]

Really brilliant responses everyone. Printed them out to study further.Also Government legislation angle is an interesting angle worth researching into.With other European countries much moreproactive to open-source development.Many Thanks,  John


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?
From: alan c <aecl...@candt.waitrose.com>
Date: Thu, July 07, 2011 9:41 pm
To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

On 07/07/11 08:11, john beddard wrote:
> 
> Its come to the situation now that whenever we go to local business 
> meetings. It is possible to identify the Windows 'wolf-pack' hovering in 
> the back-ground, ready to get their teeth into us. LOL! I love these 
> situations because I can see the potential for skilfully engaging with 
> people.

Does the subject ever come up relating to why it is pretty well
impossible to buy a machine pre installed with Ubuntu or any other
Linux based operating system?
The technical pros and cons of Windows versus whatever is an enticing
smoke screen.
Windows has at least as many failings as any other system, I would
suggest it has more.

My friends have not used anything but Windows in the past because that
is what was  preinstalled, not because they had any choice. As soon as
they find they can have Ubuntu installed for them, that is what they
ask me for. And I am happy to help.

The recent hardening in Government policy making open standards
mandatory might be an interesting one to be aware of too.
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[ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?

[john beddard]

Its come to the situation now that whenever we go to local business 
meetings. It is possible to identify the Windows 'wolf-pack' hovering in 
the back-ground, ready to get their teeth into us. LOL! I love these 
situations because I can see the potential for skilfully engaging with 
people.


However last night, after easily engaging in the usual 'Diss List' of 
Ubuntu inadequacy. We got given one 'Diss' that made me think. Baring in 
mind that this is useful for us also. It was this :


"Linux doesn't seem to give a warning message when the hard-disk is
  full, instead the system seem to die and shut down."

Has anyone come across this before. They said it was their main reason 
for not using Ubuntu ?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] LoCo team reapproval workshop now on

[john beddard]

Hi Alan,

Can't see how Public Pad works. 

I'm looking to start  LoCos in Darlington and Middlesbrough during
August, September. This could be added to New Teams. Promoting through 
posters and DVD distribution throughout both towns. 

In the same places I am also starting an Open-Source Club for small and
home business. That will also benchmark Ubuntu with Windows solutions.

Currently studying the Ubuntu Professional Course with a view towards
supporting other people in studying the Course. 

Offering to become a distributor for Edubuntu DVDs.

John






On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:18 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:
> Hi all,
> we had a meeting scheduled for this evening to go through the reapproval 
> application, I think a "meeting" with an agenda isn't really what we 
> need so we are having a kind of workshop/ collaboration session using 
> IRC and the #ubuntu-uk channel http://ubuntu-uk.org/join-the-conversation/
> 
> Also might try to do some voice conferencing using mumble (available in 
> the software centre) and my server at mumble.libertus.co.uk however we 
> are having a few connection difficulties at the moment (server seems fine)
> 
> We are drafting the reapproval on this page 
> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
> and it has to meet all the requirements here 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
> 
> do come and join in, we need all the help we can get!
> 
> Alan
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] meeting minutes and facebook page

[john beddard]

The Student Unions around here will go for 'beer and Ubuntu.'They are
running a serious business with highly liquid cash-flows. Maybe also
consider other reward schemes ?

Looking for a venue in Darlington to hold Ubuntu 'Get-Together.' Then
will also set two more up in other localities, in August / September
time. Need to check whether Uni's are willing to allow non-students to
attend events.

I have about 20 CD's. However these are like gold at the moment. Need to
distribute them to people who know how to use them. And are more
seriously interested.

John



On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 22:23 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:
> Hi all,
> minutes from the meeting last night are in the traditional place at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting
> 
> Main topics for discussion were
>   * CD Distribution
> we have CDs, we need to get them out there, if you have contacts at 
> Universities then it would be great to get a load out to students, 
> particularly if we can organise installfests.
> 
>   * LoCo reapproval application
> 
> we need to go through this process during the Oneiric cycle
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines
> our application form is at:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011
> and we have a scratchpad for notes on things we have done as we draft 
> the reapproval application form
> ///http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
> /Please add notes, descriptions, and links to articles/pictures of 
> things we have done to promote Ubuntu in the UK over the last few years.
> 
>   * Books and Butties
> the trip to the british library is coming on, we have a LoCo directory 
> entry here to sign up to
> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/
> and we have a corresponding facebook event created
> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=156528094418552
> 
> creating the facebook event lead to a discussion about facebook pages 
> and whether we should  have one, general consensus was "maybe" so I 
> created one to see how it goes.
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076
> 
> If we get a few more people who "like" that page then we can get a 
> vanity url for it, which is quite the thing to have apparently. It will 
> pick up new articles from the ubuntu-uk.org website, which in turn means 
> we should really be putting more stuff up there.
> 
> Alan.
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[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu in schools

[john beddard]

There was an interesting discussion about the promotion of Ubuntu to
schools. I don't recall having seen the following case study presented.

http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies/Andalusia-deploys-22-Ubuntu-desktops-in-schools-throughout-the-region

Could be wrong, maybe interesting.

John


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade from 9.10 to 11.04

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On 27 June 2011 15:07, Norman Silverstone  wrote:

> I have just completed the three stage upgrade process and now have
> Ubuntu 11.04 in all its glory except that it appears that my desktop
> will not run the latest layout and I am stuck with GNOME. Furthermore,
> the icon for adjusting the volume of the sound is no longer there on the
> top panel. I would like to try out the new replacement for GNOME and
> also get the sound icon back and would be very grateful for any useful
> advice. Thanks
>
> Norman
>

Hello Norman,
You could create another account and see if the desktop works okay when you
login with that new account.  Sometimes configurations from earlier versions
of ubuntu cause a few little issues.  Its a simple, non-destructive way to
check an upgrade.

If it is the same when you login to the new account, there may be a
limitation running the new Unity desktop or something may not have upgraded
correctly.

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