Re: [Videolib] record management

2010-10-20 Thread Jeanne Little




Rhonda,

Our library also uses Innovative and our Technical Services Dept.
(Acquisitions) archives one-time purchase order records every 12-16
months, once all reports have been run that are needed. We can go into
the Archives if we have to retrieve information, but to my
understanding, this archiving frees up those order records and
'replenishes' the number of order records we have to use. If you need
more details, let me know, and I can refer you to our T.S. Dept.

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/19/2010 5:52 PM, Rosen, Rhonda J. wrote:

  
  
  

  
  Hello everyone,
  I am curious, and eager to find a new way to
manage my ordering
records….
   
  I assume by now we all order via an online
system – we
use Innovative.  We enter our media order record, note receipt, etc. in
this system.  In the past, we had an Acquisitions Librarian who purged
the
database every year, so we
  Kept a paper trail also – it would come in handy
if I ever
needed to replace an item, or look back for whatever reason.  I’m
curious
– how does this work for you all?  How long do you keep information?
  Do you keep any kind of backup records?  Do you download from
your online catalog?
   
  I don’t look back often, but all this talk about
replacing VHS collection with DVD makes me wonder if I should keep
“provenance”
for replacing them…..
   
  Anyone ?
  Rhonda
   
  Rhonda
Rosen|
Head, Media & Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
  http://library.lmu.edu
   "You
see,
I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people sit
in
silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing
wild
animals as librarians."
  --Monty
Python
   
   
   
   
  
  

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<>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] adios vhs?

2010-10-20 Thread Steffen, James M
Gary, I'm doing basically the same thing with our VHS collection for space 
reasons. For now I'm focusing on feature films that have newer and better 
transfers on DVD and titles for which we have multiple copies and/or access 
options, such as the BBC Shakespeare series. If a title is used a lot for 
classes (such as CITIZEN KANE), I think it's better to go ahead and get an 
additional copy on DVD rather than rely on the VHS tape as a fallback.

For me, one additional reason for doing this is that we want to reduce wear and 
tear on our existing VHS players since decent replacement equipment is getting 
hard to come by. It's better focus use of the VHS players on content that's 
absolutely not available on DVD.

--James

--
James M. Steffen, PhD
Film and Media Studies Librarian
Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison
Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library
Emory University
540 Asbury Circle
Atlanta, GA 30322-2870
Phone: (404) 727-8107
FAX: (404) 727-2257
Email: jste...@emory.edu


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:05:47 -0700
From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] adios vhs?
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
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Hi all

I think I need input and/or moral support:  for various reasons having to
do with space and projected library renovation plans here at UCB, I'm
taking a hard and fairly ruthless look at the collection.

We currently have somewhere around 5K international cinema titles, about
96% of which we've re-bought on DVD.  As an alternative to sending these
out to storage (thereby completely blowing my storage quota), I am very
seriously considering...gulp!...de-accessioning them.  This makes me
nervous and breaks my heart (for which reasons I'm not exactly sure).

Have any of you larger academic collections gone this route?  Are there
compelling reasons NOT to go down this road?  I realize that there are
certain benefits to vhs (such as the ability to easily cue) and that some
faculty prefer the format, still... For a largely non-archival collection,
it seems crazy to hold onto fading formats forever.

What do you think?

Gary


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 08:33:08 -0400
From: "Mandel, Debra" 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] adios vhs?
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Gary-

 I feel your pain. Letting go is hard, but also necessary when space is a 
premium.

I first encountered this format dilemma when CDs came into being and I 
de-accessioned my LP collection, except for a special jazz gift collection.   I 
felt sentimental about these materials, and we had lots of turntables set up 
for playback. Shelving space was the prime motivating factor, the new digital 
world another. It was a long process-some LPS got sold to collectors, some got 
traded for used CDs, those in bad condition were discarded, and others were 
donated to the Boston Public Library, which had lost many recordings in a 
flood.  I had anxieties about this, so consulted with music faculty, who even 
took some.  Over time, I replaced the ones most needed for classes and then 
streaming music databases came into being to help  augment the collection.

With respect to video,  most faculty at Northeastern prefer DVD, particularly 
for cinema studies classes.  As we are also experiencing a space crunch here,  
(now that the collection is in open stacks) I will be de-accessioning VHS that 
we have in DVD and selecting DVDS to replace VHS.  A special fund is being made 
available for this. I see no compelling reason to have both a VHS and a DVD 
copy at this stage. If you have concerns, consult some faculty about particular 
titles they may want to continue to use in VHS in the classroom or for 
research.  I also sometimes use reserve records to help me make decisions about 
priorities.

I would love to hear other viewpoints about this.
Debra


On 10/18/10 8:05 PM, "ghand...@library.berkeley.edu" 
 wrote:

Hi all

I think I need input and/or moral support:  for various reasons having to
do with space and projected library renovation plans here at UCB, I'm
taking a hard and fairly ruthless look at the collection.

We currently have somewhere around 5K international cinema titles, about
96% of which we've re-bought on DVD.  As an alternative to sending these
out to storage (thereby completely blowing my storage quota), I am very
seriously considering...gulp!...de-accessioning them.  This makes me
nervous and breaks my heart (for which reasons I'm not exactly sure).

Have any of you larger academic collections gone this route?  Are there
compelling reasons 

[Videolib] Resources for teens and early 20's about personal finance, consumerism, and investing

2010-10-20 Thread Sabra Stockey
Do any of you know of any audiovisual material for teens and early 20's
about personal finance, consumerism, and investing?  What are good
places to look, etc.

 

Our library is working on a grant proposal and I am trying to get an
idea of how much av material is available on this topic.

 

Thanks in advance.  You can reply to me offline if you wish.

 

Sabra Stockey

Monroe County Public Library

303 East Kirkwood 

Bloomington, Indiana

sstoc...@mcpl.info

812-349-3206

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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


[Videolib] Looking a couple movies

2010-10-20 Thread Ball, James (jmb4aw)
Does anyone know where I can find:


* Its Only Talk (2005, Ryuichi Hiroki)


* Distance (2001, Hirokazu Kore-eda)

Cheers,

Matt



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu
 | 434-924-3812

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] record management

2010-10-20 Thread Stanton, Kim
We also use Innovative and our order records are archived after 1-2 years.  Our 
media cataloger adds a 959 to the bib records that lists order record/ price/ 
vendor/ fund - this isn't archived and is what we refer to when purchasing 
replacements/ charging for lost items.


Thanks,

Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] record management

Rhonda,

Our library also uses Innovative and our Technical Services Dept. 
(Acquisitions) archives one-time purchase order records every 12-16 months, 
once all reports have been run that are needed. We can go into the Archives if 
we have to retrieve information, but to my understanding, this archiving frees 
up those order records and 'replenishes' the number of order records we have to 
use. If you need more details, let me know, and I can refer you to our T.S. 
Dept.

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/19/2010 5:52 PM, Rosen, Rhonda J. wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am curious, and eager to find a new way to manage my ordering records

I assume by now we all order via an online system - we use Innovative.  We 
enter our media order record, note receipt, etc. in this system.  In the past, 
we had an Acquisitions Librarian who purged the database every year, so we
Kept a paper trail also - it would come in handy if I ever needed to replace an 
item, or look back for whatever reason.  I'm curious - how does this work for 
you all?  How long do you keep information?   Do you keep any kind of backup 
records?  Do you download from your online catalog?

I don't look back often, but all this talk about replacing VHS collection with 
DVD makes me wonder if I should keep "provenance" for replacing them.

Anyone ?
Rhonda

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu
 "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians."
--Monty Python









VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


[Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Foster, Jennifer
1. Just to clarify because I know this has been discussed in the
past...If we own a VHS tape and it is unavailable in DVD format, may I
copy the VHS onto a DVD, and check out the DVD (as long as the VHS is
not circulating? I believe I know the answer, but I seem to be out of
sync with our copyright expert.

2. We have a collection of phonograph records that have not
circulated in many years. After consulting with music instructors, we
will be withdrawing it. If anyone o this list is seriously interested in
having this (small, ~250-ish) collection, please email me off-list and I
will be happy to send a copy of the inventory to you for your perusal.
Shipping cost would be yours.

 

Thanks!...jen

 

Jennifer Foster

Media Librarian

The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library

361.570.4195

fost...@uhv.edu

http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu

 

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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread ghandman
Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid), but,
Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the same
or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!

gary handman


> 1. Just to clarify because I know this has been discussed in the
> past...If we own a VHS tape and it is unavailable in DVD format, may I
> copy the VHS onto a DVD, and check out the DVD (as long as the VHS is
> not circulating? I believe I know the answer, but I seem to be out of
> sync with our copyright expert.
>
> 2. We have a collection of phonograph records that have not
> circulated in many years. After consulting with music instructors, we
> will be withdrawing it. If anyone o this list is seriously interested in
> having this (small, ~250-ish) collection, please email me off-list and I
> will be happy to send a copy of the inventory to you for your perusal.
> Shipping cost would be yours.
>
>
>
> Thanks!...jen
>
>
>
> Jennifer Foster
>
> Media Librarian
>
> The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
>
> 361.570.4195
>
> fost...@uhv.edu
>
> http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Looking a couple movies

2010-10-20 Thread Oksana Dykyj

Matt,

I've ordered DVDs from Amazon.jp  in Japanese 
with English subtitles, but if you might need to 
get someone to help out with some of the 
japanese.  I've found Distance there, but I can't 
tell whether one of the subtitle options is 
English: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B66IJ4/



Oksana

Concordia University
Montreal, Canada



At 10:57 AM 20/10/2010, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="_000_B0123513FA2C9044B01D2AA5F48BB3261461E30EFCMCCLANEeservi_"

Does anyone know where I can find:

· Its Only Talk (2005, Ryuichi Hiroki)

· Distance (2001, Hirokazu Kore-eda)

Cheers,

Matt



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu 
| 434-924-3812


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and 
lively discussion of issues relating to the 
selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic 
control, preservation, and use of current and 
evolving video formats in libraries and related 
institutions. It is hoped that the list will 
serve as an effective working tool for video 
librarians, as well as a channel of 
communication between libraries,educational 
institutions, and video producers and distributors.


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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread rbc24
I would like to add to this intermittent discussion about VHS that if  
any library has a VHS copy of "Going To School, Ir a la Escuela" or  
any of my documentary films I will provide you with a DVD for $24  
(price includes shipping in US only).


Recently I enhanced the DVD quality of Going To School and the other  
films on my website  by re-authoring (and adding material to Hurry  
Tomorrow).  If your library owns an old DVD of any title the same  
offer exists.  Just contact me directly richard


On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Foster, Jennifer wrote:
1. Just to clarify because I know this has been discussed in  
the past…If we own a VHS tape and it is unavailable in DVD format,




http://www.richardcohenfilms.com/HurryTomorrow35thAnniversaryDVD.html
http://www.RichardCohenFilms.com





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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] record management

2010-10-20 Thread Rosen, Rhonda J.
Thanks, everyone for your input.  This has helped!
Rhonda

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 6:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] record management

Rhonda,

Our library also uses Innovative and our Technical Services Dept. 
(Acquisitions) archives one-time purchase order records every 12-16 months, 
once all reports have been run that are needed. We can go into the Archives if 
we have to retrieve information, but to my understanding, this archiving frees 
up those order records and 'replenishes' the number of order records we have to 
use. If you need more details, let me know, and I can refer you to our T.S. 
Dept.

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/19/2010 5:52 PM, Rosen, Rhonda J. wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am curious, and eager to find a new way to manage my ordering records

I assume by now we all order via an online system - we use Innovative.  We 
enter our media order record, note receipt, etc. in this system.  In the past, 
we had an Acquisitions Librarian who purged the database every year, so we
Kept a paper trail also - it would come in handy if I ever needed to replace an 
item, or look back for whatever reason.  I'm curious - how does this work for 
you all?  How long do you keep information?   Do you keep any kind of backup 
records?  Do you download from your online catalog?

I don't look back often, but all this talk about replacing VHS collection with 
DVD makes me wonder if I should keep "provenance" for replacing them.

Anyone ?
Rhonda

Rhonda Rosen| Head, Media & Access Services
William H. Hannon Library | Loyola Marymount University
One LMU Drive, MS 8200 | Los Angeles, CA 90045-2659
rhonda.ro...@lmu.edu| 310/338-4584|
http://library.lmu.edu
 "You see, I don't believe that libraries should be drab places where people 
sit in silence, and that's been the main reason for our policy of employing 
wild animals as librarians."
--Monty Python









VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Deg Farrelly
The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital copy (DVD).

So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave the 
premises

Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if an unused 
copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not permit making a DVD copy 
of a VHS that has not been released on DVD if it is still distributed in VHS.

-deg farrelly

**


Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700

Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46

Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid), but,
Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the same
or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!

gary handman

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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


[Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Stanton, Kim
Hi all,

I'm looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971 reissue of 
the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner's Chaplin Collection 
version includes the score? Or is there another source?

http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1

Thank you!
Kim

Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Looking a couple movies

2010-10-20 Thread Ball, James (jmb4aw)
Oksana, thanks so much.  I have Google translate on my Google tool bar so I use 
that to translate international websites for me.  The version of Distance you 
found does indeed have English subtitles.

Thanks again,

Matt



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu
 | 434-924-3812

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking a couple movies

Matt,

I've ordered DVDs from Amazon.jp  in Japanese with English subtitles, but if 
you might need to get someone to help out with some of the japanese.  I've 
found Distance there, but I can't tell whether one of the subtitle options is 
English: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B66IJ4/


Oksana

Concordia University
Montreal, Canada



At 10:57 AM 20/10/2010, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 
boundary="_000_B0123513FA2C9044B01D2AA5F48BB3261461E30EFCMCCLANEeservi_"

Does anyone know where I can find:

* Its Only Talk (2005, Ryuichi Hiroki)

* Distance (2001, Hirokazu Kore-eda)

Cheers,

Matt



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu
 | 434-924-3812

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


[Videolib] Amazon affiliates

2010-10-20 Thread Chris McNevins
Oksana,
 
Thanks for the tip on amazon.co.jp!  I knew of the UK, French, German
and Canada sites but not that one.
 
I googled "international Amazon websited and got the entire list of
affiliates: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=487250
 
 
: )
 
Chris McN
__ 
Chris McNevins | ACQUISITIONS COORDINATOR 
UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT | HOMER BABBIDGE LIBRARY 
369 Fairfield Way Unit 2005AM | Storrs, CT 06269-2005 USA 
PH: 860-486-3842 | FX: 860-486-6493 | EMAIL: chris.mcnev...@uconn.edu
  

Your feet will bring you where your heart is -- Irish proverb 

In wine there is wisdom, in Scotch there is strength, in beer there is
freedom, 
 and in water there is bacteria -- Attributed to David Auerbach 
 ___ 

 



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking a couple movies


Matt,

I've ordered DVDs from Amazon.jp  in Japanese with English subtitles,
but if you might need to get someone to help out with some of the
japanese.  I've found Distance there, but I can't tell whether one of
the subtitle options is English:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B66IJ4/


Oksana

Concordia University
Montreal, Canada



At 10:57 AM 20/10/2010, you wrote:


Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

boundary="_000_B0123513FA2C9044B01D2AA5F48BB3261461E30EFCMCCLANEeservi_"

Does anyone know where I can find:
 
* Its Only Talk (2005, Ryuichi Hiroki)
 
* Distance (2001, Hirokazu Kore-eda)
 
Cheers,
 
Matt
 

 
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu
  | 434-924-3812
 
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librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread ghandman
Hy deg

VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?

gary


> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital copy
> (DVD).
>
> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave the
> premises
>
> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if an
> unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not permit making
> a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD if it is still
> distributed in VHS.
>
> -deg farrelly
>
> **
>
>
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>
> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>
> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid),
> but,
> Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
> longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the same
> or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
> to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!
>
> gary handman
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Music Hunter

Hi Kim,

One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.

Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not believe 
it contains the score though.


We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon 
as they respond.


Sincerely at your service,

Jay Sonin, General Manager

The Kid
(Full Frame, Black & White)




Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom 
Wilson


Release Date: 4/22/2008
UPC: 882012000274
Director: Charles Chaplin

Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
Run Time: 67
Flags: Excellent For Children
Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027

Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with 
an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's 
childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's 
impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the 
pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as 
their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated 
in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the 
Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the 
child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's 
paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence, 
Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame 
First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he 
wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and 
accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an 
critically hailed international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major 
child star. With a blend of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy, 
Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark 
one of his greatest features, City Lights (1931).


The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature film; 
1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production in 
which Chaplin merely co-starred.


The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna 
Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is 
illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father 
of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover, 
carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning 
it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother 
sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine, 
with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But 
thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an 
alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully 
selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon 
the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another 
baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance 
has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car 
has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits his flat for the 
baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on the spout as a 
baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty seat. 
Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared 
with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a 
recreation of the ones he knew as a boy.


Five years later, Chaplin has become a glazier, while his adopted son (the 
remarkable Jackie Coogan) drums up business for his old man by cheerfully 
breaking windows in the neighborhood. Purviance meanwhile has become a world 
famous opera singer, still haunted by the memory of her child, who does 
charity work in the very slums in which he now lives. Ironically, she gives 
a toy dog to little Coogan. Chaplin and Coogan's close calls with the law 
and fights with street toughs are easily overcome, but when Coogan falls 
ill, the attending doctor learns of the illegal adoption and summons the 
Orphan Asylum social workers who try to separate Chaplin from his foster 
son. In one of the most moving scenes in all of Chaplin's films, Chaplin and 
Coogan try to fight the officials, but Chaplin is subdued by the cop they 
have summoned. Coogan is roughly thrown into the back of the Asylum van, 
pleading to the welfare official and to God not to be separated from his 
father. Chaplin, freeing himself from the cop, pursues the orphanage van 
over the rooftops and, descending into the back of the truck, dispatches the 
official and tearfully reunites with his "son". Returning to check on the 
sick boy, Purviance encounters the doctor and is shown the note which she 
had attached to her baby five years earlier. Chaplin and Coogan, not daring 
to return ho

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Trust me ALL legit releases of Chaplin films include his score and the  WB
is the "legit" version ( Film is out of copyright but this is authorized
version) The estate is VERY protective of the scores and does not allow the
films to be shown or released on DVD without the original scores. The
Chaplin films are now being distributed through Criterion/Janus which is
also releasing them on DVD. Since I don't believe they have gotten to THE
KID yet, they would basically have to license you the WB DVD. Let me know if
you have any problem and I can give you direct contact at the estate. I
think Criterion/ Janus will be able to do it but you will have to get your
own DVD as it is now out of print.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Stanton, Kim  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971 reissue
> of the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner’s Chaplin
> Collection version includes the score? Or is there another source?
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Kim
>
>
>
> Kim Stanton
>
> Head, Media Library
>
> University of North Texas
>
> kim.stan...@unt.edu
>
> P: (940) 565-4832
>
> F: (940) 369-7396
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
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distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Per previous email this version would NOT have the Chaplin the score. The
score is still under copyright though the film is in Public Domain ( films
made up to 1923 are PD though most "restored" versions are copyrighted by
scores and other unique elements) and is used only on the authorized
versions such as the one released by WB.

Jessica

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter wrote:

> Hi Kim,
>
> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>
> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
> believe it contains the score though.
>
> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon
> as they respond.
>
> Sincerely at your service,
>
> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>
> The Kid
> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>
>
>
>
> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom
> Wilson
>
> Release Date: 4/22/2008
> UPC: 882012000274
> Director: Charles Chaplin
>
> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
> Run Time: 67
> Flags: Excellent For Children
> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>
> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with
> an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's
> childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's
> impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the
> pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as
> their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated
> in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the
> Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the
> child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's
> paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence,
> Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame
> First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he
> wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and
> accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an
> critically hailed international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major
> child star. With a blend of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy,
> Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark
> one of his greatest features, City Lights (1931).
>
> The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature
> film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production
> in which Chaplin merely co-starred.
>
> The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna
> Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is
> illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father
> of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover,
> carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning
> it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother
> sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine,
> with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But
> thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an
> alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully
> selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon
> the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another
> baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance
> has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car
> has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits his flat for the
> baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on the spout as a
> baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty seat.
> Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared
> with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a
> recreation of the ones he knew as a boy.
>
> Five years later, Chaplin has become a glazier, while his adopted son (the
> remarkable Jackie Coogan) drums up business for his old man by cheerfully
> breaking windows in the neighborhood. Purviance meanwhile has become a world
> famous opera singer, still haunted by the memory of her child, who does
> charity work in the very slums in which he now lives. Ironically, she gives
> a toy dog to little Coogan. Chaplin and Coogan's close calls with the law
> and fights with street toughs are easily overcome, but when Coogan falls
> ill, the attending doctor learns of the illegal adoption and summons the
> Orphan Asylum social workers who try to separate Chaplin from his foster
> son. In one of the most moving scenes in all of Chaplin's films, Chaplin and
> Coogan try to fight the officials, but Chaplin is subdued by the cop they
> have summoned. Coogan is roughly thrown i

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Ball, James (jmb4aw)
I just popped our copy in and it does indeed have a score.

Matt

__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Oct 20, 2010, at 1:10 PM, "Stanton, Kim" 
mailto:kim.stan...@unt.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

I’m looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971 reissue of 
the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner’s Chaplin Collection 
version includes the score? Or is there another source?

http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1

Thank you!
Kim

Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396


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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Music Hunter
Pretty lame reply to our inquiry. See below.

Jay Sonin
Since it is a DVD, I would assume the score in on the DVD.  I don't think there 
would be a separate CD of the score included.  It is out of stock right now but 
is expected back into inventory soon.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Stanton, Kim 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:06 PM
  Subject: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  Hi all, 

   

  I'm looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971 reissue of 
the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner's Chaplin Collection 
version includes the score? Or is there another source? 

   

  
http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1
 

   

  Thank you!

  Kim 

   

  Kim Stanton

  Head, Media Library

  University of North Texas

  kim.stan...@unt.edu

  P: (940) 565-4832

  F: (940) 369-7396

   



--


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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is
NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not
the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter wrote:

> Hi Kim,
>
> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>
> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
> believe it contains the score though.
>
> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon
> as they respond.
>
> Sincerely at your service,
>
> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>
> The Kid
> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>
>
>
>
> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom
> Wilson
>
> Release Date: 4/22/2008
> UPC: 882012000274
> Director: Charles Chaplin
>
> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
> Run Time: 67
> Flags: Excellent For Children
> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>
> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with
> an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's
> childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's
> impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the
> pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as
> their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated
> in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the
> Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the
> child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's
> paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence,
> Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame
> First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he
> wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and
> accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an
> critically hailed international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major
> child star. With a blend of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy,
> Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark
> one of his greatest features, City Lights (1931).
>
> The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature
> film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production
> in which Chaplin merely co-starred.
>
> The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna
> Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is
> illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father
> of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover,
> carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning
> it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother
> sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine,
> with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But
> thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an
> alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully
> selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon
> the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another
> baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance
> has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car
> has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits his flat for the
> baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on the spout as a
> baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty seat.
> Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared
> with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a
> recreation of the ones he knew as a boy.
>
> Five years later, Chaplin has become a glazier, while his adopted son (the
> remarkable Jackie Coogan) drums up business for his old man by cheerfully
> breaking windows in the neighborhood. Purviance meanwhile has become a world
> famous opera singer, still haunted by the memory of her child, who does
> charity work in the very slums in which he now lives. Ironically, she gives
> a toy dog to little Coogan. Chaplin and Coogan's close calls with the law
> and fights with street toughs are easily overcome, but when Coogan falls
> ill, the attending doctor learns of the illegal adoption and summons the
> Orphan Asylum social workers who try to separate Chaplin from his foster
> son. In one of the most moving scenes in all of Chaplin's films, Chaplin and
> Coogan try to fight the officials, but Chaplin is subdued by the cop they
> have summoned. Coogan is roughly thrown into the back of the Asylum van,
> pleading to the welfare official and to God not to be separated from his
> father. Chaplin, freeing himself 

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jeanne Little
So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, 
but you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???


Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

Hy deg

VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?

gary


   

The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital copy
(DVD).

So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave the
premises

Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if an
unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not permit making
a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD if it is still
distributed in VHS.

-deg farrelly

**


Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700

Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46

Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid),
but,
Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the same
or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!

gary handman

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
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libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
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communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

 


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
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<>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
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distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
I know we always fight over this Gary , but I don't think it is
counter-intuitive at all. It is annoying and very inconvenient.
This provision is to allow material to be preserved for research, it is not
a free pass to upgrade to a much better & easier format. It is no different
from the idea that you could not chain all your 16mm films to VHS or
digitize & stream all your DVDs ( or VHS). Formats are always the property
of the rights holder. I know you are an honest person who tries to do the
right thing, but if libraries just transferred all  their VHS to DVD, it
would pretty much kill any chance of a company spending the money to make a
legit copy available and in some cases it already has.

Jessica

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:56 AM,  wrote:

> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid),
> but,
> Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
> longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the same
> or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
> to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!
>
> gary handman
>
>
> > 1. Just to clarify because I know this has been discussed in the
> > past...If we own a VHS tape and it is unavailable in DVD format, may I
> > copy the VHS onto a DVD, and check out the DVD (as long as the VHS is
> > not circulating? I believe I know the answer, but I seem to be out of
> > sync with our copyright expert.
> >
> > 2. We have a collection of phonograph records that have not
> > circulated in many years. After consulting with music instructors, we
> > will be withdrawing it. If anyone o this list is seriously interested in
> > having this (small, ~250-ish) collection, please email me off-list and I
> > will be happy to send a copy of the inventory to you for your perusal.
> > Shipping cost would be yours.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!...jen
> >
> >
> >
> > Jennifer Foster
> >
> > Media Librarian
> >
> > The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
> >
> > 361.570.4195
> >
> > fost...@uhv.edu
> >
> > http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
> of
> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> > producers and distributors.
> >
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Yes but it becomes a preservation copy and can NOT circulate beyond the
library itself.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Jeanne Little wrote:

> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but
> you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
>
> Jeanne Little
>
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
>
>
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
>> Hy deg
>>
>> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>>
>> gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital copy
>>> (DVD).
>>>
>>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave the
>>> premises
>>>
>>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if an
>>> unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not permit
>>> making
>>> a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD if it is still
>>> distributed in VHS.
>>>
>>> -deg farrelly
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>>
>>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>>
>>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid),
>>> but,
>>> Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
>>> longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the
>>> same
>>> or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
>>> to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!
>>>
>>> gary handman
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
>>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
>>> of
>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>>> producers and distributors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
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> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>
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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Brewer, Michael
It is not a preservation copy. It is a replacement copy.  Preservation copies 
are only copies of unpublished (generally unique) materials. The law is very 
clear about this and there are different criteria for replacement versus 
preservation.  Using the wrong terms really confuses things.  Unfortunately, 
this error is a wide spread one.  This morning I just read a draft of a 
copyright piece (on fair use, but 108 was referenced) written by lawyers and 
they made the same error in a couple places.

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:14 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records

Yes but it becomes a preservation copy and can NOT circulate beyond the library 
itself.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Jeanne Little 
mailto:jeanne.lit...@uni.edu>> wrote:
So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa


On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
Hy deg

VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?

gary



The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital copy
(DVD).

So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave the
premises

Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if an
unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not permit making
a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD if it is still
distributed in VHS.

-deg farrelly

**


Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700

Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46

Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain stupid),
but,
Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in the same
or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the original!!!) is
to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!

gary handman

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communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.



Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Brewer, Michael
Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version is 
due out soon. 
mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records

So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> Hy deg
>
> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>
> gary
>
>
>
>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital 
>> copy (DVD).
>>
>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave 
>> the premises
>>
>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if 
>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not 
>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD 
>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>
>> -deg farrelly
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>
>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>
>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain 
>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title 
>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market 
>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The 
>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library 
>> building.  Totally insane!
>>
>> gary handman
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It 
>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for 
>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>>
>>  
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>
>
>

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[Videolib] multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran"

2010-10-20 Thread Randal Baier


I wonder if I could enlist the help of folks on this project?: 




1. A colleague of mine in multicultural counseling studies is trying to find a 
documentary film concerning an Iraq War vet trying to understand Islam. It is 
not the film of US military guard Terry Holdbrooks, who converted to Islam. It 
is another related story, about an American Iraqi War vet and Iraqi-American 
community college student meeting and working through their issues and 
differences. Any help would be appreciated. I seem to be striking out with a 
Google-fail brain freeze. 

2. Said colleague would like to use this story as a kind of thematic lead for a 
series of 5-6 films on the theme of "Veteran/Veterans." In this context I think 
veteran can be widely interpreted, from something *about* veterans, in the 
sense of Coming Home perhaps (not a documentary, I realize) to videos more 
conceptual in approach. "Veterans" of immigration conflicts, for instance. 

If any of you have some suggestions I would greatly appreciate any serious 
tips. 




If any of you have some recent productions that might fit, that would be of 
interest also. 




Randal Baier 

Eastern Michigan University 




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Re: [Videolib] multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran"

2010-10-20 Thread Randal Baier
sorry "Iraq War" vet, not "Iraqi War" vet 


From: "Randal Baier"  
To: "videolib"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:29:52 PM 
Subject: multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran" 




I wonder if I could enlist the help of folks on this project?: 




1. A colleague of mine in multicultural counseling studies is trying to find a 
documentary film concerning an Iraq War vet trying to understand Islam. It is 
not the film of US military guard Terry Holdbrooks, who converted to Islam. It 
is another related story, about an American Iraqi War vet and Iraqi-American 
community college student meeting and working through their issues and 
differences. Any help would be appreciated. I seem to be striking out with a 
Google-fail brain freeze. 

2. Said colleague would like to use this story as a kind of thematic lead for a 
series of 5-6 films on the theme of "Veteran/Veterans." In this context I think 
veteran can be widely interpreted, from something *about* veterans, in the 
sense of Coming Home perhaps (not a documentary, I realize) to videos more 
conceptual in approach. "Veterans" of immigration conflicts, for instance. 

If any of you have some suggestions I would greatly appreciate any serious 
tips. 




If any of you have some recent productions that might fit, that would be of 
interest also. 




Randal Baier 

Eastern Michigan University 




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Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Dennis Doros
*Most* importantly, the WB and Criterion versions are shorter as implied by
the description in an earlier post. Chaplin took out a scene or two in his
authorized 1971 version (showing the mother wracked by guilt that most
people feel makes it a better film) but the out-of-print Image Entertainment
releaseis
the only authorized one that has those scenes put back in. Something
to
consider.

Best,
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

> PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is
> NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not
> the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>>
>> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>>
>> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
>> believe it contains the score though.
>>
>> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as
>> soon as they respond.
>>
>> Sincerely at your service,
>>
>> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>>
>> The Kid
>> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom
>> Wilson
>>
>> Release Date: 4/22/2008
>> UPC: 882012000274
>> Director: Charles Chaplin
>>
>> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
>> Run Time: 67
>> Flags: Excellent For Children
>> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>>
>> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with
>> an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's
>> childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's
>> impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the
>> pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as
>> their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated
>> in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the
>> Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the
>> child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's
>> paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence,
>> Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame
>> First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he
>> wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and
>> accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an
>> critically hailed international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major
>> child star. With a blend of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy,
>> Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark
>> one of his greatest features, City Lights (1931).
>>
>> The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature
>> film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production
>> in which Chaplin merely co-starred.
>>
>> The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna
>> Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is
>> illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father
>> of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover,
>> carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning
>> it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother
>> sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine,
>> with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But
>> thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an
>> alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully
>> selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon
>> the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another
>> baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance
>> has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car
>> has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits his flat for the
>> baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on the spout as a
>> baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty seat.
>> Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared
>> with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a
>> recreation of the ones he knew as a boy.
>>
>> Five year

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Music Hunter
Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.

Jay Sonin, General Manager
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Rosner 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is 
NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not the 
"Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.


  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter  wrote:

Hi Kim,

One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.

Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not 
believe it contains the score though.

We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon 
as they respond.

Sincerely at your service,

Jay Sonin, General Manager

The Kid
(Full Frame, Black & White)




Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom 
Wilson

Release Date: 4/22/2008
UPC: 882012000274
Director: Charles Chaplin

Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
Run Time: 67
Flags: Excellent For Children
Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027

Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with 
an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's 
childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's 
impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the 
pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as 
their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated in 
their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid 
are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the child 
welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's paternal 
devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin 
reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame First 
National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he wrote, 
directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and accompanied 
by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an critically hailed 
international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend 
of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid 
with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, 
City Lights (1931).

The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature 
film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production in 
which Chaplin merely co-starred.

The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna 
Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is illustrated 
with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father of the child is 
a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover, carelessly knocking her 
photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning it there when he sees it is 
too badly damaged to keep. The mother sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back 
seat of a millionaire's limousine, with a note imploring whoever finds it to 
care for and love the child. But thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering 
the baby, ditch the tot in an alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his 
morning stroll, carefully selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used 
tin. He stumbles upon the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on 
a lady with another baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. 
Meanwhile Purviance has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is 
told that the car has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits 
his flat for the baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on 
the spout as a baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty 
seat. Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared 
with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a 
recreation of the ones he knew as a boy.

Five years later, Chaplin has become a glazier, while his adopted son (the 
remarkable Jackie Coogan) drums up business for his old man by cheerfully 
breaking windows in the neighborhood. Purviance meanwhile has become a world 
famous opera singer, still haunted by the memory of her child, who does charity 
work in the very slums in which he now lives. Ironically, she gives a toy dog 
to little Coogan. Chaplin and Coogan's close calls with the law and fights with 
street toughs are easily overcome, but when Coogan falls ill, the attending 
doctor learns of the illegal adoption and summons the Orphan Asylum social 
workers who try to separate Chaplin from his foster son. In one of the most 
moving scenes in all of Chaplin's films, Chaplin and Coogan try to figh

[Videolib] Silent Film Star Harold Lloyd

2010-10-20 Thread Lucy Griggs
Film history classes may be interested in this podcast of an interview  
with Harold Lloyd's granddaughter Suzanne Lloyd.


http://thecamerareport.podbean.com/2010/08/25/episode-1-suzanne-lloyd

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 records (Deg Farrelly)
  2. Chaplin film with score? (Stanton, Kim)
  3. Re: Looking a couple movies (Ball, James (jmb4aw))
  4. Amazon affiliates (Chris McNevins)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:01:53 -0700
From: Deg Farrelly 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
phonograph records
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital  
copy (DVD).


So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can  
leave the premises


Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if  
an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not  
permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD  
if it is still distributed in VHS.


-deg farrelly

**


Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700

Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46

Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain  
stupid), but,

Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title in hand is no
longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market elsewhere (in  
the same
or other formats) you can make a copy.  The copy (not the  
original!!!) is

to be used only within the library building.  Totally insane!

gary handman



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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:06:59 -0500
From: "Stanton, Kim" 
Subject: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
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Hi all,

I'm looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971  
reissue of the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner's  
Chaplin Collection version includes the score? Or is there another  
source?


http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1

Thank you!
Kim

Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:08:44 -0400
From: "Ball, James (jmb4aw)" 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking a couple movies
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
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Oksana, thanks so much.  I have Google translate on my Google tool  
bar so I use that to translate international websites for me.  The  
version of Distance you found does indeed have English subtitles.


Thanks again,

Matt



Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA  22904
mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812


From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj

Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Looking a couple movies

Matt,

I've ordered DVDs from Amazon.jp  in Japanese with English  
subtitles, but if you might need to get someone to help out with  
some of the japanese.  I've found Distance there, but I can't tell  
whether one of the subtitle options is English: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B66IJ4/



Oksana

Concordia University
Montreal, Canada



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Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Of course the fun part would be if the Chaplin Estate would either
themselves or allow Criterion Image to license a version they have since
changed. They are a bit prickly and it appears someone needs permission to
show the film publicly.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> *Most* importantly, the WB and Criterion versions are shorter as implied
> by the description in an earlier post. Chaplin took out a scene or two in
> his authorized 1971 version (showing the mother wracked by guilt that most
> people feel makes it a better film) but the out-of-print Image
> Entertainment 
> releaseis
>  the only authorized one that has those scenes put back in. Something to
> consider.
>
> Best,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128
> Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117
> Fax: 201-767-3035
> email: milefi...@gmail.com
> www.milestonefilms.com
> www.ontheboweryfilm.com
> www.arayafilm.com
> www.exilesfilm.com
> www.wordisoutmovie.com
> www.killerofsheep.com
> AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
> Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Jessica Rosner 
> wrote:
>
>> PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is
>> NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not
>> the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kim,
>>>
>>> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>>>
>>> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
>>> believe it contains the score though.
>>>
>>> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as
>>> soon as they respond.
>>>
>>> Sincerely at your service,
>>>
>>> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>>>
>>> The Kid
>>> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller,
>>> Tom Wilson
>>>
>>> Release Date: 4/22/2008
>>> UPC: 882012000274
>>> Director: Charles Chaplin
>>>
>>> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
>>> Run Time: 67
>>> Flags: Excellent For Children
>>> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>>>
>>> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character
>>> with an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of
>>> Chaplin's childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of
>>> the Tramp's impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling,
>>> Chaplin turns the pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces
>>> depicting such events as their scheme to sell windows and their daily
>>> breakfast rituals. Coordinated in their movements and well-matched in their
>>> temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the
>>> potential for tragedy when the child welfare authorities step in. Still,
>>> having revealed the Tramp's paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a
>>> whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy
>>> ending. Chaplin overcame First National's resistance to his desire to make a
>>> dramatic comedy, and he wrote, directed, and starred in a major success.
>>> Shot over nine months and accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin
>>> himself, The Kid became an critically hailed international hit, launching
>>> Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend of social realism and
>>> finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and
>>> sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, City Lights
>>> (1931).
>>>
>>> The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature
>>> film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production
>>> in which Chaplin merely co-starred.
>>>
>>> The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother
>>> Edna Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is
>>> illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father
>>> of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover,
>>> carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning
>>> it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother
>>> sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine,
>>> with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But
>>> thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an
>>> alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully
>>> selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon
>>> the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another
>>> baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance
>>> has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car
>>> has bee

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Yes you can what?

FYI kind of bad word choice my part as I did not mean "preservation" in the
sense of a unique work, but in terms of converting a VHS to a DVD it is not
a replacement either which is why it can not be circulated beyond the
premise of the libary. Replacing an item would of course mean getting the
same item not a different version or format at least for the purposes of
copyright law.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brewer, Michael <
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:

> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
> version is due out soon.
> mb
>
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
> University of Arizona Libraries
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph
> records
>
> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but
> you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
>
> Jeanne Little
>
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
>
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> > Hy deg
> >
> > VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
> >
> > gary
> >
> >
> >
> >> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
> >> copy (DVD).
> >>
> >> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
> >> the premises
> >>
> >> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
> >> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
> >> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
> >> if it is still distributed in VHS.
> >>
> >> -deg farrelly
> >>
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
> >>
> >> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
> >>
> >> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
> >> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
> >> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
> >> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
> >> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
> >> building.  Totally insane!
> >>
> >> gary handman
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Gary Handman
> > Director
> > Media Resources Center
> > Moffitt Library
> > UC Berkeley
> >
> > 510-643-8566
> > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> >
> > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> > --Francois Truffaut
> >
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
> >
> >
> >
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran"

2010-10-20 Thread Dennis Doros
Well, we re-released WINTER SOLDIER in 2005 to much conversation, a national
broadcast and screenings at one VA Hospital that we know of -- info and
reviews at www.wintersoldierfilm.com

There's a lot of docs on returning Vietnam vets, and the IVAW (Iraq Veterans
Against the War) did a documentary of their own similar to Winter Soldier.

Best,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com
AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org
Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook!

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Randal Baier  wrote:

> I wonder if I could enlist the help of folks on this project?:
>
>
> 1. A colleague of mine in multicultural counseling studies is trying to
> find a documentary film concerning an Iraq War vet trying to understand
> Islam. It is not the film of US military guard Terry Holdbrooks, who
> converted to Islam. It is another related story, about an American Iraqi War
> vet and Iraqi-American community college student meeting and working through
> their issues and differences. Any help would be appreciated. I seem to be
> striking out with a Google-fail brain freeze.
>
> 2. Said colleague would like to use this story as a kind of thematic lead
> for a series of 5-6 films on the theme of "Veteran/Veterans." In this
> context I think veteran can be widely interpreted, from something *about*
> veterans, in the sense of *Coming Home* perhaps (not a documentary, I
> realize) to videos more conceptual in approach. "Veterans" of immigration
> conflicts, for instance.
>
> If any of you have some suggestions I would greatly appreciate any serious
> tips.
>
>
> If any of you have some recent productions that might fit, that would be of
> interest also.
>
>
> Randal Baier
>
> Eastern Michigan University
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


--
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said "legit"
version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that while
there are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much better
quality than others and they nearly always cost more.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter wrote:

>  Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.
>
> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jessica Rosner 
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?
>
> PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is
> NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not
> the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim,
>>
>> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>>
>> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
>> believe it contains the score though.
>>
>> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as
>> soon as they respond.
>>
>> Sincerely at your service,
>>
>> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>>
>> The Kid
>> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom
>> Wilson
>>
>> Release Date: 4/22/2008
>> UPC: 882012000274
>> Director: Charles Chaplin
>>
>> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
>> Run Time: 67
>> Flags: Excellent For Children
>> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>>
>> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with
>> an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's
>> childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's
>> impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the
>> pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as
>> their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated
>> in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the
>> Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the
>> child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's
>> paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence,
>> Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame
>> First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he
>> wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and
>> accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an
>> critically hailed international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major
>> child star. With a blend of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy,
>> Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark
>> one of his greatest features, City Lights (1931).
>>
>> The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature
>> film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production
>> in which Chaplin merely co-starred.
>>
>> The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna
>> Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is
>> illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father
>> of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover,
>> carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning
>> it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother
>> sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine,
>> with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But
>> thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an
>> alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully
>> selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon
>> the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another
>> baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance
>> has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car
>> has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfits his flat for the
>> baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a nipple on the spout as a
>> baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as a potty seat.
>> Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he had shared
>> with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood is a
>> recreation of the ones he knew as a boy.
>>
>> Five years later, Chaplin has become a glazier, while his adopted son (the
>> remarkable Jackie Coogan) drums up business for his old man by cheerfully
>> breaking windows in the neighborhood. Purviance meanwhile has become a world
>> famous opera singer, still haunted by the memory of her child, who does
>> charity work in 

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Music Hunter
Quite correct, however they all cost less when they're ordered from Music 
Hunter as compared to other vendors.

Music Hunter is very proud of our budget stretching prices.

Jay
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Rosner 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said "legit" 
version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that while there 
are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much better quality 
than others and they nearly always cost more. 


  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter  wrote:

Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.

Jay Sonin, General Manager
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Rosner 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it 
is NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not 
the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.


  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter  
wrote:

Hi Kim,

One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.

Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not 
believe it contains the score though.

We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as 
soon as they respond.

Sincerely at your service,

Jay Sonin, General Manager

The Kid
(Full Frame, Black & White)




Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, 
Tom Wilson

Release Date: 4/22/2008
UPC: 882012000274
Director: Charles Chaplin

Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
Run Time: 67
Flags: Excellent For Children
Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027

Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character 
with an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's 
childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's 
impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the 
pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as 
their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated in 
their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid 
are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the child 
welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's paternal 
devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin 
reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame First 
National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he wrote, 
directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and accompanied 
by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an critically hailed 
international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend 
of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid 
with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, 
City Lights (1931).

The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature 
film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production in 
which Chaplin merely co-starred.

The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother 
Edna Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is 
illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father of 
the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover, carelessly 
knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning it there when 
he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother sorrowfully leaves her baby 
in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine, with a note imploring whoever 
finds it to care for and love the child. But thieves steal the limo, and, upon 
discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, 
out for his morning stroll, carefully selecting a choice cigarette butt from 
his well used tin. He stumbles upon the squalling infant and, after trying to 
palm it off on a lady with another baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid 
himself. Meanwhile Purviance has relented, but when she returns to the mansion 
and is told that the car has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin 
outfits his flat for the baby as best he can, using an old coffee pot with a 
nipple on the spout as a baby bottle and a cane chair with the seat cut out as 
a potty seat. Chaplin's attic apartment is a representation of the garret he 
had shared with his mother and brother in London, just as the slum neighborhood 

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Ball, James (jmb4aw)
New but related question, if a professor needs to screen a video that's only on 
VHS (no DVD version is available for purchase), but the classroom they're in 
doesn't have a VCR, could a DVD copy be made for use in the classroom?

Matt

__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, "Brewer, Michael"  
wrote:

> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version 
> is due out soon. 
> mb
> 
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
> University of Arizona Libraries
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
> records
> 
> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
> can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
> 
> Jeanne Little
> 
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
> 
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>> Hy deg
>> 
>> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>> 
>> gary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital 
>>> copy (DVD).
>>> 
>>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave 
>>> the premises
>>> 
>>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if 
>>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not 
>>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD 
>>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>> 
>>> -deg farrelly
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>> 
>>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>> 
>>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain 
>>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title 
>>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market 
>>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The 
>>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library 
>>> building.  Totally insane!
>>> 
>>> gary handman
>>> 
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It 
>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for 
>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>> 
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>> 
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>> 
>> 
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
>> distributors.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
However there is a difference between the $5-$15 copies of classic but PD
silent films and the more expensive but  better versions. I hope you carry
both.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Music Hunter wrote:

>  Quite correct, however they all cost less when they're ordered from Music
> Hunter as compared to other vendors.
>
> Music Hunter is very proud of our budget stretching prices.
>
> Jay
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jessica Rosner 
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?
>
> I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said "legit"
> version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that while
> there are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much better
> quality than others and they nearly always cost more.
>
>  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter wrote:
>
>>  Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.
>>
>> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jessica Rosner 
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>>   *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?
>>
>> PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is
>> NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not
>> the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kim,
>>>
>>> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>>>
>>> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
>>> believe it contains the score though.
>>>
>>> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as
>>> soon as they respond.
>>>
>>> Sincerely at your service,
>>>
>>> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>>>
>>> The Kid
>>> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller,
>>> Tom Wilson
>>>
>>> Release Date: 4/22/2008
>>> UPC: 882012000274
>>> Director: Charles Chaplin
>>>
>>> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
>>> Run Time: 67
>>> Flags: Excellent For Children
>>> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>>>
>>> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character
>>> with an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of
>>> Chaplin's childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of
>>> the Tramp's impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling,
>>> Chaplin turns the pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces
>>> depicting such events as their scheme to sell windows and their daily
>>> breakfast rituals. Coordinated in their movements and well-matched in their
>>> temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the
>>> potential for tragedy when the child welfare authorities step in. Still,
>>> having revealed the Tramp's paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a
>>> whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy
>>> ending. Chaplin overcame First National's resistance to his desire to make a
>>> dramatic comedy, and he wrote, directed, and starred in a major success.
>>> Shot over nine months and accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin
>>> himself, The Kid became an critically hailed international hit, launching
>>> Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend of social realism and
>>> finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid with a pathos and
>>> sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, City Lights
>>> (1931).
>>>
>>> The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature
>>> film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production
>>> in which Chaplin merely co-starred.
>>>
>>> The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother
>>> Edna Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is
>>> illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father
>>> of the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover,
>>> carelessly knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning
>>> it there when he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother
>>> sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine,
>>> with a note imploring whoever finds it to care for and love the child. But
>>> thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering the baby, ditch the tot in an
>>> alleyway trash can. Enter Chaplin, out for his morning stroll, carefully
>>> selecting a choice cigarette butt from his well used tin. He stumbles upon
>>> the squalling infant and, after trying to palm it off on a lady with another
>>> baby in a carriage, decides to adopt the kid himself. Meanwhile Purviance
>>> has relented, but when she returns to the mansion and is told that the car
>>> has been stolen, she collapses in despair. Chaplin outfit

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jeanne Little
I use the spinner and always put a copy of it with any paperwork I may 
have referring to the damaged copy that I cannot purchase a replacement 
for, in any format.


But I am still not clear on whether you can only make a vhs copy from a 
damaged vhs copy, or whether you can make a dvd copy from a damaged vhs 
copy.


Jeanne

On 10/20/2010 1:27 PM, Brewer, Michael wrote:

Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version is 
due out soon.
mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records

So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
   

Hy deg

VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?

gary



 

The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
copy (DVD).

So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
the premises

Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
if it is still distributed in VHS.

-deg farrelly

**


Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700

Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46

Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
building.  Totally insane!

gary handman

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.


   

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



 

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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread ghandman
No

gary


> New but related question, if a professor needs to screen a video that's
> only on VHS (no DVD version is available for purchase), but the classroom
> they're in doesn't have a VCR, could a DVD copy be made for use in the
> classroom?
>
> Matt
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, "Brewer, Michael"
>  wrote:
>
>> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
>> version is due out soon.
>> mb
>>
>> Michael Brewer
>> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>> University of Arizona Libraries
>> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
>> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
>> phonograph records
>>
>> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs,
>> but you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
>>
>> Jeanne Little
>>
>> Rod Library
>> University of Northern Iowa
>>
>> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>>> Hy deg
>>>
>>> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>>>
>>> gary
>>>
>>>
>>>
 The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
 copy (DVD).

 So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
 the premises

 Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
 an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
 permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
 if it is still distributed in VHS.

 -deg farrelly

 **


 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700

 Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46

 Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
 stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
 in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
 elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
 copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
 building.  Totally insane!

 gary handman

 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
 acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
 and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
 is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
 video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
 libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
 distributors.


>>>
>>> Gary Handman
>>> Director
>>> Media Resources Center
>>> Moffitt Library
>>> UC Berkeley
>>>
>>> 510-643-8566
>>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>>
>>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>>> --Francois Truffaut
>>>
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
>>> serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
>>> channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions,
>>> and video producers and distributors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
>> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating 

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Ball, James (jmb4aw)
Is the difference in quality?

__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:10 PM, "Jessica Rosner" 
mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote:

However there is a difference between the $5-$15 copies of classic but PD 
silent films and the more expensive but  better versions. I hope you carry both.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Music Hunter 
<musichun...@nyc.rr.com>
 wrote:
Quite correct, however they all cost less when they're ordered from Music 
Hunter as compared to other vendors.

Music Hunter is very proud of our budget stretching prices.

Jay
- Original Message -
From: Jessica Rosner
To:  
videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said "legit" 
version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that while there 
are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much better quality 
than others and they nearly always cost more.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter 
<musichun...@nyc.rr.com>
 wrote:
Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.

Jay Sonin, General Manager
- Original Message -
From: Jessica Rosner
To:  
videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is NOT 
a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not the 
"Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter 
<musichun...@nyc.rr.com>
 wrote:
Hi Kim,

One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.

Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not believe it 
contains the score though.

We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon as 
they respond.

Sincerely at your service,

Jay Sonin, General Manager

The Kid
(Full Frame, Black & White)




Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom 
Wilson

Release Date: 4/22/2008
UPC: 882012000274
Director: Charles Chaplin

Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
Run Time: 67
Flags: Excellent For Children
Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027

Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with an 
orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's 
childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's 
impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the 
pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as 
their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated in 
their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid 
are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the child 
welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's paternal 
devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin 
reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame First 
National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he wrote, 
directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and accompanied 
by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an critically hailed 
international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend 
of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid 
with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, 
City Lights (1931).

The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed feature film; 
1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett production in which 
Chaplin merely co-starred.

The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed mother Edna 
Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is illustrated 
with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father of the child is 
a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover, carelessly knocking her 
photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning it there when he sees it is 
too badly damaged to keep. The mother sorrowfully leaves her baby in the back 
seat of a millionaire's limousine, with a note imploring whoever finds it to 
care for and love the child. But thieves steal the limo, and, upon discovering 
the baby, ditch the tot in an alleyw

Re: [Videolib] multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran"

2010-10-20 Thread Brigid Duffy

Would any of these help?


Coming Out Under FireDeep Focus Productions  
http://www.deepfocusproductions.com

Honor BoundFilmakers Library  http://www.filmakers.com

Justice for My People: The Dr. Hector P. Garcia Story KEDT  
http://justiceformypeople.org/index.html

Second Class VeteransCenter for Asian American Media 
http://distribution.asianamericanmedia.org/



Brigid Duffy
Academic Technology
San Francisco State University
San Francisco, CA  94132-4200
E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu




On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Randal Baier   
wrote:

I wonder if I could enlist the help of folks on this project?:



1. A colleague of mine in multicultural counseling studies is trying  
to find a documentary film concerning an Iraq War vet trying to  
understand Islam. It is not the film of US military guard Terry  
Holdbrooks, who converted to Islam. It is another related story,  
about an American Iraqi War vet and Iraqi-American community college  
student meeting and working through their issues and differences.  
Any help would be appreciated. I seem to be striking out with a  
Google-fail brain freeze.


2. Said colleague would like to use this story as a kind of thematic  
lead for a series of 5-6 films on the theme of "Veteran/Veterans."  
In this context I think veteran can be widely interpreted, from  
something *about* veterans, in the sense of Coming Home perhaps (not  
a documentary, I realize) to videos more conceptual in approach.  
"Veterans" of immigration conflicts, for instance.


If any of you have some suggestions I would greatly appreciate any  
serious tips.




If any of you have some recent productions that might fit, that  
would be of interest also.




Randal Baier

Eastern Michigan University





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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
No, any digital copy made from a VHS can not leave the library. Either he
can find a space that he can use the VCR or in theory find a  room in the
library to show the DVD.

Again I know this sounds stupid, annoying etc, but as a matter of law and in
my view fairness it is really not that complicated. I won't go into details
but I recently got access to list of the collection of a major institution
that was illegally copying material to digital. At least half of the
material in the collection were dubs from VHS of titles that had been
released on DVD at cheap retail prices. Moreover I knew some of the VHS
copies to be poor early transfers Vs excellent
new restored DVD copies. I think the librarians and professors who use this
are not only breaking the law they are giving the students VERY crappy
material to study. I understand virtually everyone on the list believes that
they would only make a copy because a title is not available and they would
of course buy one as soon it became available but in the real world that
does not work, either legally or practically.

Jessica

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) <
jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:

> New but related question, if a professor needs to screen a video that's
> only on VHS (no DVD version is available for purchase), but the classroom
> they're in doesn't have a VCR, could a DVD copy be made for use in the
> classroom?
>
> Matt
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, "Brewer, Michael" <
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> > Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
> version is due out soon.
> > mb
> >
> > Michael Brewer
> > Team Leader for Instructional Services
> > University of Arizona Libraries
> > brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
> phonograph records
> >
> > So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but
> you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
> >
> > Jeanne Little
> >
> > Rod Library
> > University of Northern Iowa
> >
> > On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> >> Hy deg
> >>
> >> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
> >>
> >> gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
> >>> copy (DVD).
> >>>
> >>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
> >>> the premises
> >>>
> >>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
> >>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
> >>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
> >>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
> >>>
> >>> -deg farrelly
> >>>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
> >>>
> >>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
> >>>
> >>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
> >>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
> >>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
> >>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
> >>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
> >>> building.  Totally insane!
> >>>
> >>> gary handman
> >>>
> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> >>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> >>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> >>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> >>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> >>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Gary Handman
> >> Director
> >> Media Resources Center
> >> Moffitt Library
> >> UC Berkeley
> >>
> >> 510-643-8566
> >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> >>
> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> >> --Francois Truffaut
> >>
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Quality and material vary widely. For instance there are a ton of bad
version of BIRTH OF A  NATION and more than a few are edited. I remember a
case back in the days of VHS but that could easily happen now, where there
was a version of POTEMKIN ( from a reputable company in fact) that was
MISSING the Odessa steps sequence. Sadly when a film is PD some companies
will put out very poor copies and sell them very cheaply. In more then a few
cases they dub a better version from say Kino or Milestone and replace the
score or other special elements but it is a dubbed down copy.
You really need to be careful when buying Public Domain films to research
various versions. There is usually plenty of info on the web but word of
warning do NOT trust Amazon write ups. They often use the same info on
different versions as well as the same customer reviews so that a terrible
version of some film appears to be great and vice/versa

Jessica

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) <
jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:

> Is the difference in quality?
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 3:10 PM, "Jessica Rosner"  > wrote:
>
> However there is a difference between the $5-$15 copies of classic but PD
> silent films and the more expensive but  better versions. I hope you carry
> both.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Music Hunter < musichun...@nyc.rr.com>musichun...@nyc.rr.com musichun...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:
> Quite correct, however they all cost less when they're ordered from Music
> Hunter as compared to other vendors.
>
> Music Hunter is very proud of our budget stretching prices.
>
> Jay
> - Original Message -
> From: Jessica Rosner
> To:  videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?
>
> I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said "legit"
> version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that while
> there are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much better
> quality than others and they nearly always cost more.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter < musichun...@nyc.rr.com>musichun...@nyc.rr.com musichun...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:
> Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.
>
> Jay Sonin, General Manager
> - Original Message -
> From: Jessica Rosner
> To:  videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?
>
> PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so it is
> NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not
> the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter < musichun...@nyc.rr.com>musichun...@nyc.rr.com musichun...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:
> Hi Kim,
>
> One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.
>
> Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do not
> believe it contains the score though.
>
> We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise as soon
> as they respond.
>
> Sincerely at your service,
>
> Jay Sonin, General Manager
>
> The Kid
> (Full Frame, Black & White)
>
>
>
>
> Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl Miller, Tom
> Wilson
>
> Release Date: 4/22/2008
> UPC: 882012000274
> Director: Charles Chaplin
>
> Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
> Run Time: 67
> Flags: Excellent For Children
> Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027
>
> Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp character with
> an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of Chaplin's
> childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the Tramp's
> impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns the
> pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as
> their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated
> in their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the
> Kid are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the
> child welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's
> paternal devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence,
> Chaplin reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame
> First National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he
> wrote, directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and
> accompanied by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an
> crit

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jaeschke, Myles
Wow-this surprises me a bit.  That is a lot a "man hours" spent copying 
material that can easily be purchased.  Seems to me it would be far cheaper and 
of greater benefit to buy a nice crisp copy than copy a worn old copy of a said 
film, not to mention the "legal" aspect of it.

Myles

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:14 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records

No, any digital copy made from a VHS can not leave the library. Either he can 
find a space that he can use the VCR or in theory find a  room in the library 
to show the DVD.

Again I know this sounds stupid, annoying etc, but as a matter of law and in my 
view fairness it is really not that complicated. I won't go into details but I 
recently got access to list of the collection of a major institution that was 
illegally copying material to digital. At least half of the material in the 
collection were dubs from VHS of titles that had been released on DVD at cheap 
retail prices. Moreover I knew some of the VHS copies to be poor early 
transfers Vs excellent
new restored DVD copies. I think the librarians and professors who use this are 
not only breaking the law they are giving the students VERY crappy material to 
study. I understand virtually everyone on the list believes that they would 
only make a copy because a title is not available and they would of course buy 
one as soon it became available but in the real world that does not work, 
either legally or practically.

Jessica
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) 
mailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>> wrote:
New but related question, if a professor needs to screen a video that's only on 
VHS (no DVD version is available for purchase), but the classroom they're in 
doesn't have a VCR, could a DVD copy be made for use in the classroom?

Matt

__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, "Brewer, Michael" 
mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>> wrote:

> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version 
> is due out soon.
> mb
>
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
> University of Arizona Libraries
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
>  
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu]
>  On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
> records
>
> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
> can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
>
> Jeanne Little
>
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
>
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, 
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>> Hy deg
>>
>> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>>
>> gary
>>
>>
>>
>>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
>>> copy (DVD).
>>>
>>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
>>> the premises
>>>
>>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
>>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
>>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
>>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>>
>>> -deg farrelly
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>>
>>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>>
>>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
>>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
>>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
>>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
>>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
>>> building.  Totally insane!
>>>
>>> gary handman
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkel

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread CROWLEY, CHRISTINE
Pretty sure the answer will be a resounding NO. That is why we continue
to hang onto a couple of 27" TVs with a VCR and DVD player attached, on
a cart.

Christine Crowley
Dean of Learning Resources
Adjunct Faculty, Theatre
Northwest Vista College
3535 N. Ellison Dr.
San Antonio, TX 78251
210.486.4572 voice
210.486.4504 fax


"We will either find a way, or make one."--Hannibal


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Ball, James
(jmb4aw)
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
phonograph records

New but related question, if a professor needs to screen a video that's
only on VHS (no DVD version is available for purchase), but the
classroom they're in doesn't have a VCR, could a DVD copy be made for
use in the classroom?

Matt

__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, "Brewer, Michael"
 wrote:

> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
version is due out soon. 
> mb
> 
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
> University of Arizona Libraries
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
phonograph records
> 
> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs,
but you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
> 
> Jeanne Little
> 
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
> 
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>> Hy deg
>> 
>> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>> 
>> gary
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital 
>>> copy (DVD).
>>> 
>>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can
leave 
>>> the premises
>>> 
>>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if 
>>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not 
>>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD 
>>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>> 
>>> -deg farrelly
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>> 
>>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>> 
>>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain 
>>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title

>>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market 
>>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The 
>>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library 
>>> building.  Totally insane!
>>> 
>>> gary handman
>>> 
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of

>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It

>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for 
>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>> 
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>> 
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>> 
>> 
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It 

Re: [Videolib] Resources for teens and early 20's about personalfinance, consumerism, and investing

2010-10-20 Thread Elizabeth Stanley
Hello, Sabra,
 
Bullfrog Films offers two titles you may want to consider.  If your
library owns the VHS video of "Affluenza," you may want to upgrade to
the DVD.
 
1.  AFFLUENZA DVD  http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/affl.html
AFFLUENZA is a groundbreaking film that diagnoses a serious social
disease - caused by consumerism, commercialism and rampant materialism -
that is having a devastating impact on our families, communities, and
the environment.  We have more stuff, but less time, and our quality of
life seems to be deteriorating. By using personal stories, expert
commentary, hilarious old film clips, and "uncommercial" breaks to
illuminate the nature and extent of the disease, AFFLUENZA has appealed
to widely diverse audiences: from freshmen orientation programs to
consumer credit counseling, and from religious congregations to
marketing classes.

2. kids + money DVD  http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/kids.html
Money talks. Teens in Los Angeles discuss money: getting it, spending it
and learning to live without it. 
 
Additionally, for a deep and wide list of titles on economics, check out
this subject area: http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/subjects/economics.html
 
Call me if you have any questions.  Thanks.
 
Elizabeth
Bullfrog Films
800-543-3764



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Sabra Stockey
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:23 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Resources for teens and early 20's about
personalfinance, consumerism, and investing



Do any of you know of any audiovisual material for teens and early 20's
about personal finance, consumerism, and investing?  What are good
places to look, etc.

 

Our library is working on a grant proposal and I am trying to get an
idea of how much av material is available on this topic.

 

Thanks in advance.  You can reply to me offline if you wish.

 

Sabra Stockey

Monroe County Public Library

303 East Kirkwood 

Bloomington, Indiana

sstoc...@mcpl.info

812-349-3206

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
Well that is what I thought. I wish I could give details and some of them
were just mind blowing. However the time line is that at least some of the
digital versions were clearly made before there was  a DVD however no one
bothered to spend another $25 or whatever to upgrade.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jaeschke, Myles
wrote:

>  Wow—this surprises me a bit.  That is a lot a “man hours” spent copying
> material that can easily be purchased.  Seems to me it would be far cheaper
> and of greater benefit to buy a nice crisp copy than copy a worn old copy of
> a said film, not to mention the “legal” aspect of it.
>
>
>
> Myles
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:14 PM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
> phonograph records
>
>
>
> No, any digital copy made from a VHS can not leave the library. Either he
> can find a space that he can use the VCR or in theory find a  room in the
> library to show the DVD.
>
> Again I know this sounds stupid, annoying etc, but as a matter of law and
> in my view fairness it is really not that complicated. I won't go into
> details but I recently got access to list of the collection of a major
> institution that was illegally copying material to digital. At least half of
> the material in the collection were dubs from VHS of titles that had been
> released on DVD at cheap retail prices. Moreover I knew some of the VHS
> copies to be poor early transfers Vs excellent
> new restored DVD copies. I think the librarians and professors who use this
> are not only breaking the law they are giving the students VERY crappy
> material to study. I understand virtually everyone on the list believes that
> they would only make a copy because a title is not available and they would
> of course buy one as soon it became available but in the real world that
> does not work, either legally or practically.
>
> Jessica
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) <
> jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:
>
> New but related question, if a professor needs to screen a video that's
> only on VHS (no DVD version is available for purchase), but the classroom
> they're in doesn't have a VCR, could a DVD copy be made for use in the
> classroom?
>
> Matt
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, "Brewer, Michael" <
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> > Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
> version is due out soon.
> > mb
> >
> > Michael Brewer
> > Team Leader for Instructional Services
> > University of Arizona Libraries
> > brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
> phonograph records
> >
> > So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but
> you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
> >
> > Jeanne Little
> >
> > Rod Library
> > University of Northern Iowa
> >
> > On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> >> Hy deg
> >>
> >> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
> >>
> >> gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
> >>> copy (DVD).
> >>>
> >>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
> >>> the premises
> >>>
> >>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
> >>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
> >>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
> >>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
> >>>
> >>> -deg farrelly
> >>>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
> >>>
> >>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
> >>>
> >>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
> >>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
> >>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
> >>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
> >>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
> >>> building.  Totally insane!
> >>>
> >>> gary handman
> >>>
> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> >>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> >>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> >>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effe

Re: [Videolib] multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran"

2010-10-20 Thread John Hoskyns-Abrahall
Hi, Randal
 
Not sure if this is quite on the mark, but it's an amazing new film
about the military's human terrain program in which social scientists
are embedded with troops in order to help in the effort to win the
hearts and minds of the Afghan people.  It's called HUMAN TERRAIN
www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/humt.html and will be released in
mid-November.  It raises questions for the troops as to whether they can
ever be trained to acquire the skills of a professional soldier as well
as a culturally aware and sensitive soldier-diplomat.  And of course it
raises really thorny questions about the role of academics in wartime.
 
So this is the way counterinsurgency is going, and it remains to be seen
how it will turn out.  My feeling is that it's a band-aid and that the
problems that we have to solve are at a much deeper level.
 
Best,
John  



From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Randal Baier
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:30 PM
To: videolib
Subject: [Videolib] multicultural film series on the them of "Veteran"



I wonder if I could enlist the help of folks on this project?:




1. A colleague of mine in multicultural counseling studies is trying to
find a documentary film concerning an Iraq War vet trying to understand
Islam. It is not the film of US military guard Terry Holdbrooks, who
converted to Islam. It is another related story, about an American Iraqi
War vet and Iraqi-American community college student meeting and working
through their issues and differences. Any help would be appreciated. I
seem to be striking out with a Google-fail brain freeze.

2. Said colleague would like to use this story as a kind of thematic
lead for a series of 5-6 films on the theme of "Veteran/Veterans." In
this context I think veteran can be widely interpreted, from something
*about* veterans, in the sense of Coming Home perhaps (not a
documentary, I realize) to videos more conceptual in approach.
"Veterans" of immigration conflicts, for instance.

If any of you have some suggestions I would greatly appreciate any
serious tips.




If any of you have some recent productions that might fit, that would be
of interest also.




Randal Baier

Eastern Michigan University






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[Videolib] ] Resources for teens and early 20's about personalfinance, consumerism, and investing

2010-10-20 Thread Filmakers Library

Hi Sabra,
Filmakers Library has a film Rip Off : Exploiting the Consumer which  
deals with the banking policies of extracting fees from such items  
as  overdrafts etc.  Click on the title for full description.  It is  
perfect for the age group you are targeting

Regards,
Sue

Sue E. Oscar
Filmakers Library
124 East 40th St
New York, NY 10016
Tel: 212-808-4980
Fax: 212 808-4983
e-mail: i...@filmakers.com
web: www.filmakers.com




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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Brewer, Michael
You can absolutely make a DVD copy, but it can't be made available to the 
public outside the building under 108.  The new 2.0 version will allow you to 
enter your own information about the title you are making a replacement or 
preservation copy of and get it, and all the notes and information published in 
a PDF format (like the other tools).  I'm also working on a similar 2.0 version 
of the Digital Slider, which will help determine the copyright 
protection/duration for works published or created in the USA.  

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records

I use the spinner and always put a copy of it with any paperwork I may have 
referring to the damaged copy that I cannot purchase a replacement for, in any 
format.

But I am still not clear on whether you can only make a vhs copy from a damaged 
vhs copy, or whether you can make a dvd copy from a damaged vhs copy.

Jeanne

On 10/20/2010 1:27 PM, Brewer, Michael wrote:
> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version 
> is due out soon.
> mb
>
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Libraries 
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne 
> Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and 
> phonograph records
>
> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
> can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
>
> Jeanne Little
>
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
>
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
>
>> Hy deg
>>
>> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>>
>> gary
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital 
>>> copy (DVD).
>>>
>>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can 
>>> leave the premises
>>>
>>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if 
>>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not 
>>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD 
>>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>>
>>> -deg farrelly
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>>
>>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>>
>>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain 
>>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title 
>>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market 
>>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The 
>>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library 
>>> building.  Totally insane!
>>>
>>> gary handman
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
>>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It 
>>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for 
>>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Gary Handman
>> Director
>> Media Resources Center
>> Moffitt Library
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 510-643-8566
>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>>
>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
>> --Francois Truffaut
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
>> distributors.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distri

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
OK. I don't think there was any disagreement on this. I just was not clear
what you were responding to.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Brewer, Michael <
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:

> You can absolutely make a DVD copy, but it can't be made available to the
> public outside the building under 108.  The new 2.0 version will allow you
> to enter your own information about the title you are making a replacement
> or preservation copy of and get it, and all the notes and information
> published in a PDF format (like the other tools).  I'm also working on a
> similar 2.0 version of the Digital Slider, which will help determine the
> copyright protection/duration for works published or created in the USA.
>
> mb
>
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
> University of Arizona Libraries
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:09 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph
> records
>
> I use the spinner and always put a copy of it with any paperwork I may have
> referring to the damaged copy that I cannot purchase a replacement for, in
> any format.
>
> But I am still not clear on whether you can only make a vhs copy from a
> damaged vhs copy, or whether you can make a dvd copy from a damaged vhs
> copy.
>
> Jeanne
>
> On 10/20/2010 1:27 PM, Brewer, Michael wrote:
> > Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
> version is due out soon.
> > mb
> >
> > Michael Brewer
> > Team Leader for Instructional Services University of Arizona Libraries
> > brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne
> > Little
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
> > phonograph records
> >
> > So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but
> you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
> >
> > Jeanne Little
> >
> > Rod Library
> > University of Northern Iowa
> >
> > On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> >
> >> Hy deg
> >>
> >> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
> >>
> >> gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
> >>> copy (DVD).
> >>>
> >>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can
> >>> leave the premises
> >>>
> >>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
> >>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
> >>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
> >>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
> >>>
> >>> -deg farrelly
> >>>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
> >>>
> >>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
> >>>
> >>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
> >>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
> >>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
> >>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
> >>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
> >>> building.  Totally insane!
> >>>
> >>> gary handman
> >>>
> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> >>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> >>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> >>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> >>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> >>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Gary Handman
> >> Director
> >> Media Resources Center
> >> Moffitt Library
> >> UC Berkeley
> >>
> >> 510-643-8566
> >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> >>
> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> >> --Francois Truffaut
> >>
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to 

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Music Hunter
Music Hunter carries every CD/DVD title in print.

We also offer special sales of out of print CD/DVD titles on Excel files to 
interested libraries quarterly ( seperate files for CDs & DVDs ).

Jay
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Rosner 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  However there is a difference between the $5-$15 copies of classic but PD 
silent films and the more expensive but  better versions. I hope you carry both.


  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Music Hunter  wrote:

Quite correct, however they all cost less when they're ordered from Music 
Hunter as compared to other vendors.

Music Hunter is very proud of our budget stretching prices.

Jay
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Rosner 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  I know. I didn't say otherwise but since it was implied when I said 
"legit" version I corrected it. However keep in mind with silent films that 
while there are often multiple version which are all legit, some are much 
better quality than others and they nearly always cost more. 


  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Music Hunter  
wrote:

Music Hunter only sells " legit " Cds & DVDs.

Jay Sonin, General Manager
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jessica Rosner 
  To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?


  PS I don't mean to imply this version is not "legit' . Film is PD so 
it is NOT a bootleg, but it also won't have the Chaplin score because it is not 
the "Authorized" version. Sorry for any confusion.


  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Music Hunter 
 wrote:

Hi Kim,

One need not purchase this expensive 2 disc set to obtain The Kid.

Music Hunter has the single disc ( see below ) for $ 12.97. I do 
not believe it contains the score though.

We sent an inquiry to the manufacturer to find out & we will advise 
as soon as they respond.

Sincerely at your service,

Jay Sonin, General Manager

The Kid
(Full Frame, Black & White)




Starring: Charles Chaplin, Jackie Coogan, Edna Purviance, Carl 
Miller, Tom Wilson

Release Date: 4/22/2008
UPC: 882012000274
Director: Charles Chaplin

Genre: Melodrama, Slapstick
Run Time: 67
Flags: Excellent For Children
Distributor/Studio: A2Zcds Inc 200027

Charles Chaplin's first feature-length film pairs his Tramp 
character with an orphan boy, forging a life together in a slum reminiscent of 
Chaplin's childhood London home. Finding humor in the extreme harshness of the 
Tramp's impoverished existence with his plucky adopted foundling, Chaplin turns 
the pair's survival into a series of comic set pieces depicting such events as 
their scheme to sell windows and their daily breakfast rituals. Coordinated in 
their movements and well-matched in their temperaments, the Tramp and the Kid 
are the perfect pair, underlining the potential for tragedy when the child 
welfare authorities step in. Still, having revealed the Tramp's paternal 
devotion in a bravura chase scene and a whimsical dream sequence, Chaplin 
reunites the redefined family for a happy ending. Chaplin overcame First 
National's resistance to his desire to make a dramatic comedy, and he wrote, 
directed, and starred in a major success. Shot over nine months and accompanied 
by a score composed by Chaplin himself, The Kid became an critically hailed 
international hit, launching Jackie Coogan as a major child star. With a blend 
of social realism and finely tuned physical comedy, Chaplin infuses The Kid 
with a pathos and sweetness that would later mark one of his greatest features, 
City Lights (1931).

The Kid was Charles Chaplin's first self-produced and directed 
feature film; 1914's 6-reel Tillie's Punctured Romance was a Mack Sennett 
production in which Chaplin merely co-starred.

The story "with a smile and perhaps a tear," begins with unwed 
mother Edna Purviance leaving the Charity Hospital, babe in arms. Her burden is 
illustrated with a title card showing Christ bearing the cross. The father of 
the child is a poor artist who cares little for of his former lover, carelessly 
knocking her photo into his garret fireplace and cooly returning it there when 
he sees it is too badly damaged to keep. The mother sorrowfully leaves her baby 
in the back seat of a millionaire's limousine, with a note imploring whoever 
finds it to care for and love the child. But thieves steal the limo, and, upon 
discovering the baby, ditch the 

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Brewer, Michael
Yes, you can make a DVD of a VHS if it meets the criteria under 108.

On the second part, you are not correct.  The law uses the term replacement to 
mean replacement NOT of the artifact, but of the content (which is what is 
copyrighted, not the physical item), so moving from VHS/analog to DVD/digital 
is fine as a replacement as long as it remains within the building (and the 
other criteria are met).

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:43 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records

Yes you can what?

FYI kind of bad word choice my part as I did not mean "preservation" in the 
sense of a unique work, but in terms of converting a VHS to a DVD it is not a 
replacement either which is why it can not be circulated beyond the premise of 
the libary. Replacing an item would of course mean getting the same item not a 
different version or format at least for the purposes of copyright law.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brewer, Michael 
mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>> wrote:
Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version is 
due out soon.
mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu

-Original Message-
From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu]
 On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph 
records
So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but you 
can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> Hy deg
>
> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>
> gary
>
>
>
>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
>> copy (DVD).
>>
>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
>> the premises
>>
>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>
>> -deg farrelly
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>
>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>
>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
>> building.  Totally insane!
>>
>> gary handman
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>>
>>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>
>
>

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of commu

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jessica Rosner
If it was a simple "replacement" the law would not restrict where it can be
used. It is  a "replacement" in a different format so it is not the same
thing. It is an upgrade in a different format and since format changes are
the right of the rights owner this "copy" is basically a research copy whose
use is severely limited.

We agree on the law in any case if not the terminology but the bottom line
is if you make a DVD from a VHS it can no longer circulate and must be used
on the library premise.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Brewer, Michael <
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:

>  Yes, you can make a DVD of a VHS if it meets the criteria under 108.
>
>
>
> On the second part, you are not correct.  The law uses the term replacement
> to mean replacement NOT of the artifact, but of the content (which is what
> is copyrighted, not the physical item), so moving from VHS/analog to
> DVD/digital is fine as a replacement as long as it remains within the
> building (and the other criteria are met).
>
>
>
> mb
>
>
>
> Michael Brewer
>
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>
> University of Arizona Libraries
>
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:43 AM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
> phonograph records
>
>
>
> Yes you can what?
>
>
>
> FYI kind of bad word choice my part as I did not mean "preservation" in the
> sense of a unique work, but in terms of converting a VHS to a DVD it is not
> a replacement either which is why it can not be circulated beyond the
> premise of the libary. Replacing an item would of course mean getting the
> same item not a different version or format at least for the purposes of
> copyright law.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brewer, Michael <
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> Yes, you can.  See http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0
> version is due out soon.
>
> mb
>
> Michael Brewer
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
> University of Arizona Libraries
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>   -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph
> records
>
> So I understand: you can only make a vhs replacement copy from a vhs, but
> you can't make a dvd replacement copy from a vhs???
>
> Jeanne Little
>
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
>
> On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:
> > Hy deg
> >
> > VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
> >
> > gary
> >
> >
> >
> >> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the digital
> >> copy (DVD).
> >>
> >> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy can leave
> >> the premises
> >>
> >> Also, it's important to note that the section permit duplication if
> >> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
> >> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released on DVD
> >> if it is still distributed in VHS.
> >>
> >> -deg farrelly
> >>
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
> >>
> >> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
> >>
> >> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
> >> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the title
> >> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at fair-market
> >> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.  The
> >> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the library
> >> building.  Totally insane!
> >>
> >> gary handman
> >>
> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Gary Handman
> > Director
> > Media Resources Center
> > Moffitt Library
> > UC Berkeley
> >
> > 510-643-8566
> > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
> >
> > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> > --Francois Truffaut
> >
> >
> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the

Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and phonograph records

2010-10-20 Thread Jeanne Little




Thanks to all for weighing in.

I understand the in-library-use only, I just wasn't clear about moving
from the vhs format that is defective, to a dvd format as a replacement.

Jeanne Little

On 10/20/2010 3:45 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote:
If it was a simple "replacement" the law would not
restrict where it can be used. It is  a "replacement" in a different
format so it is not the same thing. It is an upgrade in a different
format and since format changes are the right of the rights owner this
"copy" is basically a research copy whose use is severely limited.
  
We agree on the law in any case if not the terminology but the bottom
line is if you make a DVD from a VHS it can no longer circulate and
must be used on the library premise.
  
  On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Brewer,
Michael 
wrote:
  


Yes, you can make a
DVD of a VHS if it meets the criteria under 108.

 
On the second part,
you are not correct.  The law uses the term replacement to mean
replacement NOT of the artifact, but of the content (which is what is
copyrighted, not the physical item), so moving from VHS/analog to
DVD/digital is fine as a replacement as long as it remains within the
building (and the other criteria are met). 


 
mb
 
Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional
Services
University of
Arizona Libraries
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On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:43 AM


To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright
and phonograph records




 
Yes you can what?

 

FYI kind of bad
word choice my part as I did not mean "preservation" in the sense of a
unique work, but in terms of converting a VHS to a DVD it is not a
replacement either which is why it can not be circulated beyond the
premise of the libary. Replacing an item would of course mean getting
the same item not a different version or format at least for the
purposes of copyright law.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Brewer,
Michael 
wrote:
Yes, you can.  See 
http://librarycopyright.net/108spinner  a new 2.0 version is due
out soon.

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu




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On Behalf Of Jeanne Little
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:07 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Two unrelated questions - copyright and
phonograph records



So I understand: you can only make a vhs
replacement copy from a vhs, but you can't make a dvd replacement copy
from a vhs???

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 10/20/2010 12:39 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
wrote:
> Hy deg
>
> VHS to VHS...sorta like copying 8 track to 4 track, no?
>
> gary
>
>
>
>> The restriction to use in  the library only pertains to the
digital
>> copy (DVD).
>>
>> So if you were to copy a VHS to VHS (tho unlikely) the copy
can leave
>> the premises
>>
>> Also, it's important to note that the section permit
duplication if
>> an unused copy is not available for purchase.  The law does not
>> permit making a DVD copy of a VHS that has not been released
on DVD
>> if it is still distributed in VHS.
>>
>> -deg farrelly
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:52:09 -0700
>>
>> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 35, Issue 46
>>
>> Question 1:  This is totally counter-intuitive (and just plain
>> stupid), but, Section 108 of the copyright law sez that if the
title
>> in hand is no longer in distribution or obtainable at
fair-market
>> elsewhere (in the same or other formats) you can make a copy.
 The
>> copy (not the original!!!) is to be used only within the
library
>> building.  Totally insane!
>>
>> gary handman
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively
discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of
current
>> and evolving video formats in libraries and related
institutions. It
>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool
for
>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.
>>
>>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion

Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

2010-10-20 Thread Stanton, Kim
Thanks everyone!

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:49 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Chaplin film with score?

Trust me ALL legit releases of Chaplin films include his score and the  WB is 
the "legit" version ( Film is out of copyright but this is authorized version) 
The estate is VERY protective of the scores and does not allow the films to be 
shown or released on DVD without the original scores. The Chaplin films are now 
being distributed through Criterion/Janus which is also releasing them on DVD. 
Since I don't believe they have gotten to THE KID yet, they would basically 
have to license you the WB DVD. Let me know if you have any problem and I can 
give you direct contact at the estate. I think Criterion/ Janus will be able to 
do it but you will have to get your own DVD as it is now out of print.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Stanton, Kim 
mailto:kim.stan...@unt.edu>> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for a DVD copy of The Kid (1921) with the score (1971 reissue of 
the film). Can anyone who owns it confirm that Warner's Chaplin Collection 
version includes the score? Or is there another source?

http://www.amazon.com/Kid-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287593101&sr=8-1

Thank you!
Kim

Kim Stanton
Head, Media Library
University of North Texas
kim.stan...@unt.edu
P: (940) 565-4832
F: (940) 369-7396


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.