RE: question about muting the phone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Denise,

 

If the keypad is onscreen when you are on a call you hide it by pressing the
Hide Keypad button which is located at the bottom right of the screen across
from the End Call button which is at the bottom left of the screen. Just put
your finger on the Home Key and then move it up a bit and to the right,
about the 2 o'clock position from the Home Key. Once the keypad is hidden
then the Mute button is indeed the first button right under where your call
information is displayed. Just out of curiocity, in what situation do you
plan to use Mute? I have never found a need to use it which of course
doesn't mean anything, but I'm just curious.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of denise colley
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: question about muting the phone

 

Can anyone tell me how to mute the phone when you are on a call?  I have the
iphone 5.  I was told if you hide the keypad the mute button is at the top
of the screen, but how do you hide the keypad?

 

Denise

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Re: question about muting the phone

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not Denise, but I use the mute button all of the time on conference 
calls. If I'm traveling and calling into a conference call, I don't want 
the back ground noise interfering with the call. At home, I may need to 
go on mute to check something on the computer, and again, I don't want 
that bleeding into the conference call.


On 04/06/2013 02:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Denise,

If the keypad is onscreen when you are on a call you hide it by pressing
the Hide Keypad button which is located at the bottom right of the
screen across from the End Call button which is at the bottom left of
the screen. Just put your finger on the Home Key and then move it up a
bit and to the right, about the 2 o’clock position from the Home Key.
Once the keypad is hidden then the Mute button is indeed the first
button right under where your call information is displayed. Just out of
curiocity, in what situation do you plan to use Mute? I have never found
a need to use it which of course doesn’t mean anything, but I’m just
curious.

Regards,

Sieghard

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *denise colley
*Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2013 10:57 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* question about muting the phone

Can anyone tell me how to mute the phone when you are on a call?  I have
the iphone 5.  I was told if you hide the keypad the mute button is at
the top of the screen, but how do you hide the keypad?

Denise

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RE: Standscan pro

[Peter Holdstock]

No issues for me on a Windows 8 PC either.

 

Peter

 

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Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: 01 April 2013 12:32
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Standscan pro

 

HI.  what do you mean by errors?  it's ok here on the mac.

 

 

Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.

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skype: bubbygirl1972

 

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On 01/04/2013, at 8:05 PM, Pablo Morales  wrote:





People, this web site is not showing well in my phone computers, job
computers, and phone either.
I don't know how all of you crossed on this web site, but I have a lot of
errors browsing on this site.
P
- Original Message - From: "David Chittenden"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Standscan pro





Go to
www.standscan.com
to read about the product and pricing.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 31/03/2013, at 12:31, "Lori Dent"  wrote:




Hi all,

What is this standdscan pro and what does it do and used for? And how much
does it cost? Thanks for answering my question.

Lori and the Gipper

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Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Bill Gallik]

I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now 
wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?


What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed 
that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8 
inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" 
If the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus 
eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of 
some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could 
accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could 
be designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of 
the angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.


OK, so what I'm proposing is:
- a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
- another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to 
accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
- angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame 
the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
- fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together while affording 
convenient assembly/disassembly (again, winged sheet metal screws)


That this design would be an "open design" would take advantage of ambient 
lighting so would not require any electrical components.  Although I suppose 
a "Deluxe Model" could include such components.  Heck anybody who has ever 
played with Tinker Toys would find this a very feasible solution (I think)! 
;-)



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Re: talking goggles

[Bill Gallik]

Holy Cats!!!

Pardon my salutation, but the app sounds incredible! Developments like this and 
Tap Tap See are truly amazing products and the price is likewise amazing.  I’m 
going to give this a try – WOW!

You know, this sort of things keeps up and the iPhone can shed the “Phone” part 
of the name and take on something like “iCan!”

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From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: talking goggles

Hi Chandan,

 

It is only 99 Cents and for the most part it’s quite self-explanatory as there 
are only 5 buttons. The app does, by the way, use it’s own voice to read out 
what it comes up with. The English is a female voice and sounds OK. 
Theoretically you could silence Voiceover with a 3-finger double tap and the 
app would still read out the results although if you leave Voiceover on you can 
touch the screen in the middle and find the result and review it.

 

There is a “Flash Off” button at the top left which turns into a “Flash” button 
if you double tap it.

If it says “Flash Off” then, well… the Flash is off. If it just says “Flash”, 
then the flash is on which means the Flash of the iPhone puts out a permanent 
and constant light.

 

At the top right is a button that says “Flag En”. I assume since it says “Flag” 
that visually it displays a flag maybe of the States or England. This allows 
you to select a different voice/language. If you double tap on it a list of 
languages comes up on the screen from Africans and Albanian to Welsh and 
Yiddish, I think it has a total of 51 languages and whichever one you double 
tap will say “Selected” and the list goes away and the icon at the top right 
displays the result in a 2-letter abbreviation like the “Flag En”.

 

Across the bottom above the Home Key are 3 buttons, from Left to right they are:

 

Gallery – this will show you the albums and pictures on your iPhone, similary 
to Photo Viewer.

Camera Copy 14 – this is in the middle above the home key and I renamed this to 
“Take Picture” since that is what it does

Video Camera – this will start continuous recording, the “Camera Copy 14” 
button in the middle will turn to a stop button and if you stop recording it 
will say “Record”. If you switch to video recording then the Video Camera 
button on the right will turn into a “Still Camera” button and you can double 
tap it to switch back to single picture/still camera mode.

 

I agree with David, this app seems to be amazing, it recognizes logos and it 
does OCR and what’s more, it does OCR while it’s in video mode. Aim it at 
something and hold it still for a bit and you’ll get some results, I don’t even 
want to think what this thing will do with the Standscan.

 

I had a can of corn and the first time I took a picture it told me it was corn. 
This, by the way, is a Canadian Safeway product and Digit-Eyes did not know 
it’s barcode since unfortunately Digit-Eyes doesn’t know a lot of Safeway 
barcodes from Canada.

 

I then turned the can a bit and it started recognizing bits of text from 
nutritional information and all sort of stuff. I pointed my phone into the 
fridge and it told me I had Tropicana Orange Juice, I turned it a bit and here 
was Lucern Milk… astounding.

 

This is a great find and well worth the 99 Cents.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chandan mokashi
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Can one of you make a short podcast on this app? So that it will give us a good 
start. Just a suggestion.

Thanks a lot for informing us about this app.

Regards,

Chandan.

Sent from my iPad


On 06-Apr-2013, at 7:29 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

  After reading the below email, I purchased the app and tested it. Unlike 
VizWiz and TapTapSee, Goggles does not appear to use people to describe images. 
It seems to use image matching exclusively. All the buttons are labelled.

   

  Based on my success with this app, I am considering purchasing the company's 
map app called Sparkling Maps.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

  Sent from my iPhone


  On 06/04/2013, at 13:43, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:

Description of App
Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

  a.. Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books, 
products, artwork, text and more.. 
  b.. Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you. 
  c.. Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language. 
  d.. Includes a torchlight to assist in reading. 
  

Re: talking goggles

[Lauren Simmons]

HI all,

I too installed this Goggles app and am happy with the fast accurate
scans. This $1 app seems to yield some of the same information as the
$20 digit eyes solution except that this Goggles app is much, much
easier to use and very fast.

So far, the video feature has had problems identifying soda cans and
American money of various denominations, but I seriously doubt it was
meant to identify money.

LS

On 4/6/13, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> Holy Cats!!!
>
> Pardon my salutation, but the app sounds incredible! Developments like this
> and Tap Tap See are truly amazing products and the price is likewise
> amazing.  I’m going to give this a try – WOW!
>
> You know, this sort of things keeps up and the iPhone can shed the “Phone”
> part of the name and take on something like “iCan!”
> 
> Holland's Person, Bill
> E-Mail: wfgal...@charter.net
> - "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
>
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: talking goggles
>
> Hi Chandan,
>
>
>
> It is only 99 Cents and for the most part it’s quite self-explanatory as
> there are only 5 buttons. The app does, by the way, use it’s own voice to
> read out what it comes up with. The English is a female voice and sounds OK.
> Theoretically you could silence Voiceover with a 3-finger double tap and the
> app would still read out the results although if you leave Voiceover on you
> can touch the screen in the middle and find the result and review it.
>
>
>
> There is a “Flash Off” button at the top left which turns into a “Flash”
> button if you double tap it.
>
> If it says “Flash Off” then, well… the Flash is off. If it just says
> “Flash”, then the flash is on which means the Flash of the iPhone puts out a
> permanent and constant light.
>
>
>
> At the top right is a button that says “Flag En”. I assume since it says
> “Flag” that visually it displays a flag maybe of the States or England. This
> allows you to select a different voice/language. If you double tap on it a
> list of languages comes up on the screen from Africans and Albanian to Welsh
> and Yiddish, I think it has a total of 51 languages and whichever one you
> double tap will say “Selected” and the list goes away and the icon at the
> top right displays the result in a 2-letter abbreviation like the “Flag
> En”.
>
>
>
> Across the bottom above the Home Key are 3 buttons, from Left to right they
> are:
>
>
>
> Gallery – this will show you the albums and pictures on your iPhone,
> similary to Photo Viewer.
>
> Camera Copy 14 – this is in the middle above the home key and I renamed this
> to “Take Picture” since that is what it does
>
> Video Camera – this will start continuous recording, the “Camera Copy 14”
> button in the middle will turn to a stop button and if you stop recording it
> will say “Record”. If you switch to video recording then the Video Camera
> button on the right will turn into a “Still Camera” button and you can
> double tap it to switch back to single picture/still camera mode.
>
>
>
> I agree with David, this app seems to be amazing, it recognizes logos and it
> does OCR and what’s more, it does OCR while it’s in video mode. Aim it at
> something and hold it still for a bit and you’ll get some results, I don’t
> even want to think what this thing will do with the Standscan.
>
>
>
> I had a can of corn and the first time I took a picture it told me it was
> corn. This, by the way, is a Canadian Safeway product and Digit-Eyes did not
> know it’s barcode since unfortunately Digit-Eyes doesn’t know a lot of
> Safeway barcodes from Canada.
>
>
>
> I then turned the can a bit and it started recognizing bits of text from
> nutritional information and all sort of stuff. I pointed my phone into the
> fridge and it told me I had Tropicana Orange Juice, I turned it a bit and
> here was Lucern Milk… astounding.
>
>
>
> This is a great find and well worth the 99 Cents.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of chandan mokashi
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: talking goggles
>
>
>
> Can one of you make a short podcast on this app? So that it will give us a
> good start. Just a suggestion.
>
> Thanks a lot for informing us about this app.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chandan.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On 06-Apr-2013, at 7:29 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>
>   After reading the below email, I purchased the app and tested it. Unlike
> VizWiz and TapTapSee, Goggles does not appear to use people to describe
> images. It seems to use image matching exclusively. All the buttons are
> labelled.
>
>
>
>   Based on my success with this app, I am considering purchasing the
> company's map app called Sparkling Maps.
>
>   David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>
>   Email: dc

RE: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Bill,

I guess anything is possible and I am sure instead of aluminum plastic
pieces could be used which would be much cheaper than aluminum. I think
lighting is a must even with an open-box design because as a blind person
you don't necessarily know if the ambient light where you are is sufficient
or maybe if you happen to stand between a light source and your contraption.
I think also that the matte white finish of the cardboard is intentional as
it is non-reflective yet gives good contrast.

Anyhow, why don't you send your message to Harry from Standscan and ask him
to consider it and to maybe let you know if he thinks it would be doable.
For all you know they tried something like that and maybe found reasons why
it wasn't a good solution.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Gallik
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the
product,

I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now 
wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?

What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed 
that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8 
inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" 
If the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus 
eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of 
some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could

accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could 
be designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of 
the angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.

OK, so what I'm proposing is:
- a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
- another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to

accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
- angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame

the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
- fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together while affording 
convenient assembly/disassembly (again, winged sheet metal screws)

That this design would be an "open design" would take advantage of ambient 
lighting so would not require any electrical components.  Although I suppose

a "Deluxe Model" could include such components.  Heck anybody who has ever 
played with Tinker Toys would find this a very feasible solution (I think)! 
;-)


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Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Lauren Simmons]

It appears that similar stand/holders for iPhones and iPods have been
around for a while. Run an Amazon.com search for such a device and you
will find that much of what you described below already exists. The
ScanScan was also not necessarily meant for how some of us in blind
community are wanting to use it. Thanks for Phil the University
computer specialist for posting a link to such device a few days ago.

LS

On 4/6/13, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now
> wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?
>
> What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed
> that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8
> inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?"
> If the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus
> eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of
>
> some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could
>
> accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could
> be designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of
> the angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.
>
> OK, so what I'm proposing is:
> - a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
> - another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to
>
> accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
> - angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame
>
> the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
> - fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together while affording
> convenient assembly/disassembly (again, winged sheet metal screws)
>
> That this design would be an "open design" would take advantage of ambient
> lighting so would not require any electrical components.  Although I suppose
>
> a "Deluxe Model" could include such components.  Heck anybody who has ever
> played with Tinker Toys would find this a very feasible solution (I think)!
>
> ;-)
>
> 
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>
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Re: talking goggles

[Arnold Schmidt]

This sounds like Google Goggles, that my friends with android phones have.  It 
is amazing what that thing will recognize, and I am glad to know about a 
similar app for my iPhone.

Arnold Schmidt 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 12:38 AM
  Subject: RE: talking goggles


  Hi Chandan,

   

  It is only 99 Cents and for the most part it's quite self-explanatory as 
there are only 5 buttons. The app does, by the way, use it's own voice to read 
out what it comes up with. The English is a female voice and sounds OK. 
Theoretically you could silence Voiceover with a 3-finger double tap and the 
app would still read out the results although if you leave Voiceover on you can 
touch the screen in the middle and find the result and review it.

   

  There is a "Flash Off" button at the top left which turns into a "Flash" 
button if you double tap it.

  If it says "Flash Off" then, well. the Flash is off. If it just says "Flash", 
then the flash is on which means the Flash of the iPhone puts out a permanent 
and constant light.

   

  At the top right is a button that says "Flag En". I assume since it says 
"Flag" that visually it displays a flag maybe of the States or England. This 
allows you to select a different voice/language. If you double tap on it a list 
of languages comes up on the screen from Africans and Albanian to Welsh and 
Yiddish, I think it has a total of 51 languages and whichever one you double 
tap will say "Selected" and the list goes away and the icon at the top right 
displays the result in a 2-letter abbreviation like the "Flag En".

   

  Across the bottom above the Home Key are 3 buttons, from Left to right they 
are:

   

  Gallery - this will show you the albums and pictures on your iPhone, similary 
to Photo Viewer.

  Camera Copy 14 - this is in the middle above the home key and I renamed this 
to "Take Picture" since that is what it does

  Video Camera - this will start continuous recording, the "Camera Copy 14" 
button in the middle will turn to a stop button and if you stop recording it 
will say "Record". If you switch to video recording then the Video Camera 
button on the right will turn into a "Still Camera" button and you can double 
tap it to switch back to single picture/still camera mode.

   

  I agree with David, this app seems to be amazing, it recognizes logos and it 
does OCR and what's more, it does OCR while it's in video mode. Aim it at 
something and hold it still for a bit and you'll get some results, I don't even 
want to think what this thing will do with the Standscan.

   

  I had a can of corn and the first time I took a picture it told me it was 
corn. This, by the way, is a Canadian Safeway product and Digit-Eyes did not 
know it's barcode since unfortunately Digit-Eyes doesn't know a lot of Safeway 
barcodes from Canada.

   

  I then turned the can a bit and it started recognizing bits of text from 
nutritional information and all sort of stuff. I pointed my phone into the 
fridge and it told me I had Tropicana Orange Juice, I turned it a bit and here 
was Lucern Milk. astounding.

   

  This is a great find and well worth the 99 Cents.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chandan mokashi
  Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:02 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: talking goggles

   

  Can one of you make a short podcast on this app? So that it will give us a 
good start. Just a suggestion.

  Thanks a lot for informing us about this app.

  Regards,

  Chandan.

  Sent from my iPad


  On 06-Apr-2013, at 7:29 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:

After reading the below email, I purchased the app and tested it. Unlike 
VizWiz and TapTapSee, Goggles does not appear to use people to describe images. 
It seems to use image matching exclusively. All the buttons are labelled.

 

Based on my success with this app, I am considering purchasing the 
company's map app called Sparkling Maps.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

Email: dchitten...@gmail.com

Mobile: +64 21 2288 288

Sent from my iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 13:43, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:

  I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:

  Description of App
  Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

a.. Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, 
books, products, artwork, text and more..
b.. Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
c.. Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
d.. Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
e.. Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video 
stream for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it 
finds something.
f.. Easy copy function. Use goggles as a s

Help with mail

[Margaret Booth]

I'm having problems with Mail on my Mac Book Pro and I'm using Lion. I can't
receive any emails. I have gone into preferences to check if anything has
changed in my settings and none have changed. Can someone please suggest
what I can to for my emails to start coming in. I have also tried the
shortcut shift, command N to get all mail and it doesn't work.

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Re: talking goggles

[chandan mokashi]

Thanks again...
Chandan

Sent from my iPad

On 06-Apr-2013, at 10:10 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi again,



I forgot to mention that if you do take individual pictures they get saved
in your Camera Roll, but if you use Video Mode the video doesn’t get saved.
I didn’t see a Setting unless there is something for that app in the
Settings app of the phone so I don’t think at this point you can tell it to
save or not to save the pictures. I agree with Brett that video mode for
the most part is the way to go.







Regards,

Sieghard





*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*On Behalf Of *Brett
*Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2013 8:53 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: talking goggles



Hi,



This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects.


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" 
wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:
Description of App

Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

   - Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
   products, artwork, text and more..
   - Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
   - Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
   - Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
   - Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
   for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
   something.
   - Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
   results in any other application.
   - Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search. Or,
   if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
   comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at
it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and
posters. Try it out!

Reviews are very positive so far:

'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could
be a new trend.'

'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'

'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my
cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the
internet to learn more.'



Has anyone tried this app?

Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps
out there for the blind?

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I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Before you all get to excited, let me tell you that i'm not sure what goggles 
is reading, nor am i sure of if what i found can at all be workable for 
anything or if it's just plain luck that i had.
Well, after hearing the success stories others had had with Talking goggles, i 
decided i would do some experimenting on my own. I have long looked for an app 
that can read displays of any shape or form and thereby help me get things set 
on devices one normally can't operate without sighted assistance, well guess 
what? I started with my Akai MPK61 Midi keyboard which obviously has a quite 
bright display, because other apps have been able to get one or two letters out 
of the display, though i couldn't be sure if it was the display or the buttons 
it read, well with Goggles, i actually got as much info out of the display that 
i could successfully load a midi preset into the keyboard. This encouraged me a 
bit so i went to my kitchen to see if i could actually get some info out of my 
microwave. This time i wasn't so successful, but that could be because i 
actually don't quite know where the display is on the machine. I decided to 
continue to experiment and went into the bathroom to see if i could read the 
display of my washing machine and my tumble dryer, and lo and behold, i got 
text out of the displays, not so much that i could do settings based on the 
info, but still i got text out of the display and i could actually see that it 
changed. This made me sit down and think, would it be possible to actually get 
some info out of the Olympus LS-100 recorder in places where the voice guidance 
wasn't present and the answer is yes, i can actually read the display, but not 
yet so well that i can make settings and adjustments based on what i read, 
either it is possible with training, or it won't work and it won't get any 
better, but just the fact that an app makes reading displays possible is 
exciting news to me. If anyone wants to continue experimenting, please feel 
free to do it and please document what you find, positive or negative. In my 
experimentations i used video mode which gave an almost realtime experience.
/Krister

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Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[David Chittenden]

Well, people have been suggesting different ways of making frames to support 
the iPhone since we first started having success with Prizmo. Until the 
StandScan Pro came out, nobody suggested a box. The obvious fact of the matter 
is nobody actually built it. Some people experimented with wire vegetable racks 
and such to hold the iPhone with mixed success.

Those who are blind cannot tell when lighting is good enough that additional 
lighting isn't necessary. At the same time, those who are blind cannot tell if 
the lighting is too direct or too bright. So, one of the obvious flaws with 
your design is the need to provide constant lighting that doesn't cast shadows 
or glare on the paper. Also, if you want to sell said device commercially, how 
will you produce it in quantity at an affordable price. If you come up with a 
viable alternative to the StandScan which retails for a similar price, can be 
shipped to NZ, is portable, and so forth, I may purchase one. I do not have the 
time or inclination to design and manufacture my own; especially now that a 
viable model exists at an affordable price.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 06/04/2013, at 21:52, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:

> I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now 
> wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?
> 
> What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed 
> that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8 inches. 
>  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" If the 
> product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus eliminating 
> the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of some very 
> light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could 
> accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could be 
> designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of the 
> angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.
> 
> OK, so what I'm proposing is:
> - a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
> - another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to 
> accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
> - angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame 
> the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
> - fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together while affording 
> convenient assembly/disassembly (again, winged sheet metal screws)
> 
> That this design would be an "open design" would take advantage of ambient 
> lighting so would not require any electrical components.  Although I suppose 
> a "Deluxe Model" could include such components.  Heck anybody who has ever 
> played with Tinker Toys would find this a very feasible solution (I think)! 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> Holland's Person, Bill
> E-Mail: wfgal...@charter.net
> - "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their 
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) 
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Re: talking goggles

[Sandratomkins]

Hi,

I just downloaded Talking Goddles and tried it with the StandScan pro and a 
flier that arrived yesterday.

Now, I had read it perfectly with Text Grabber, but was delighted, when in 
video mode, to hear Talking Goggles read the first two/three lines of text, but 
it didn't want to read more. I wonder what the cut off point for text is? If, 
for example, Talking Goggles could read everything that it sees, we would have 
a truly marvelous addition to our reading on the fly arsenal! Even as it 
stands, especially using the SSP, we can sort post etc without touching a 
button, just by exchanging one envelope for another. So, how wonderful if it 
would read the letters in the same way. It can do it, that is obvious by the 
way it read the first few lines of text on my flier, but I think there is a 
quantity cut-off at the moment. Has anyone else done better, am I missing 
something?

Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Apr 2013, at 11:55, chandan mokashi  wrote:

> Thanks again...
> Chandan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 06-Apr-2013, at 10:10 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi again,
>>  
>> I forgot to mention that if you do take individual pictures they get saved 
>> in your Camera Roll, but if you use Video Mode the video doesn’t get saved. 
>> I didn’t see a Setting unless there is something for that app in the 
>> Settings app of the phone so I don’t think at this point you can tell it to 
>> save or not to save the pictures. I agree with Brett that video mode for the 
>> most part is the way to go.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Brett
>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: talking goggles
>>  
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> 
>> This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you 
>> having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 
>> 
>> Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
>> 
>> On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:
>> 
>> I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:
>> Description of App
>> 
>> Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.
>> 
>> Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books, 
>> products, artwork, text and more..
>> Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
>> Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
>> Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
>> Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream for any 
>> familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds 
>> something.
>> Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the results 
>> in any other application.
>> Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search. Or, if it 
>> is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price 
>> comparison.
>> Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at 
>> it and Talking Goggles will tell you!
>> 
>> Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a 
>> picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.
>> 
>> Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the 
>> company after which you can do a search for it.
>> 
>> Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters. 
>> Try it out!
>> 
>> Reviews are very positive so far:
>> 
>> 'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be 
>> a new trend.'
>> 
>> 'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'
>> 
>> 'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my 
>> cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the 
>> internet to learn more.'
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this app?
>> 
>> Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps 
>> out there for the blind?
>> 
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Re: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

[David Chittenden]

Yes, video mode is the only way I get any useable results.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 07/04/2013, at 0:03, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> Before you all get to excited, let me tell you that i'm not sure what goggles 
> is reading, nor am i sure of if what i found can at all be workable for 
> anything or if it's just plain luck that i had.
> Well, after hearing the success stories others had had with Talking goggles, 
> i decided i would do some experimenting on my own. I have long looked for an 
> app that can read displays of any shape or form and thereby help me get 
> things set on devices one normally can't operate without sighted assistance, 
> well guess what? I started with my Akai MPK61 Midi keyboard which obviously 
> has a quite bright display, because other apps have been able to get one or 
> two letters out of the display, though i couldn't be sure if it was the 
> display or the buttons it read, well with Goggles, i actually got as much 
> info out of the display that i could successfully load a midi preset into the 
> keyboard. This encouraged me a bit so i went to my kitchen to see if i could 
> actually get some info out of my microwave. This time i wasn't so successful, 
> but that could be because i actually don't quite know where the display is on 
> the machine. I decided to continue to experiment and went into the bathroom 
> to see if i could read the display of my washing machine and my tumble dryer, 
> and lo and behold, i got text out of the displays, not so much that i could 
> do settings based on the info, but still i got text out of the display and i 
> could actually see that it changed. This made me sit down and think, would it 
> be possible to actually get some info out of the Olympus LS-100 recorder in 
> places where the voice guidance wasn't present and the answer is yes, i can 
> actually read the display, but not yet so well that i can make settings and 
> adjustments based on what i read, either it is possible with training, or it 
> won't work and it won't get any better, but just the fact that an app makes 
> reading displays possible is exciting news to me. If anyone wants to continue 
> experimenting, please feel free to do it and please document what you find, 
> positive or negative. In my experimentations i used video mode which gave an 
> almost realtime experience.
> /Krister
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Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Sandratomkins]

Hi David and all,

To add to what you have said, David, the StandScan Pro and other similar 
boxes were designed with the main-stream in mind, this is because for optimal 
imaging, a light box is necessary. It just so happens that this requirement 
works perfectly for us! Personally speaking, I love to find my solutions, as 
often as possible, from the mainstream. They tend to work and are, generally, 
competitively priced. I do remember finding a stand for the KNFB Reader, but if 
i remember aright, it cost something like 200 pounds! I may be wrong 
though, so don't quote me! I actually think, with all its apparent 
short-comings, the StandScan pro is our best option at the moment and doesn't 
break the bank. As for the cardboard issue: Plastic would have issues with the 
heat from the lights. Wood would be too bulky/heavy. Metal ditto and so, I 
think they have gone the right way with the cardboard. If I get 2/3 years of 
wear out of my SSp before considering replacing it, I will be delighted! 
Indeed, speaking as someone who likes to be able to recycle stuff, I don't know 
how I feel about the lamination, but will live with it for now. However, 
different from others on the list, i like the more eco-friendly nature of the 
SSP being cardboard.

For those people who feel that this is a very expensive "shoe-box", I can 
only say that:
1. I have never seen a shoe box with the dimensions necessary for effective 
scanning.
2. It is more than possible to create your own light box, I did this some time 
ago using a box from the supermarket and cutting a hole in the side. It worked 
too! but was not as good as the SSP and I had to employ the built-in lighting 
of the phone which was not as good.
3. Oranges aren't the only fruit! Just because we have found something that 
works for us, doesn't mena that there isn't room for alternatives. Bring them 
on! I'd love to hear of them and experiment. Meanwhile, life goes on and we can 
now use the OCR potential of our phones in a successful/affordable and portable 
way. This is brilliant as far as I am concerned.

I shall be showing off my cardboard box, AKA the StandScan Pro, to my 
University soon and expect it to be received rapturously as a cost effective 
addition to accessibility options for the VIP/Dyslexic students.

JMT, Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Apr 2013, at 12:07, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Well, people have been suggesting different ways of making frames to support 
> the iPhone since we first started having success with Prizmo. Until the 
> StandScan Pro came out, nobody suggested a box. The obvious fact of the 
> matter is nobody actually built it. Some people experimented with wire 
> vegetable racks and such to hold the iPhone with mixed success.
> 
> Those who are blind cannot tell when lighting is good enough that additional 
> lighting isn't necessary. At the same time, those who are blind cannot tell 
> if the lighting is too direct or too bright. So, one of the obvious flaws 
> with your design is the need to provide constant lighting that doesn't cast 
> shadows or glare on the paper. Also, if you want to sell said device 
> commercially, how will you produce it in quantity at an affordable price. If 
> you come up with a viable alternative to the StandScan which retails for a 
> similar price, can be shipped to NZ, is portable, and so forth, I may 
> purchase one. I do not have the time or inclination to design and manufacture 
> my own; especially now that a viable model exists at an affordable price.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 06/04/2013, at 21:52, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
> 
>> I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now 
>> wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?
>> 
>> What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed 
>> that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8 
>> inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" If 
>> the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus 
>> eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of 
>> some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could 
>> accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could 
>> be designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of 
>> the angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.
>> 
>> OK, so what I'm proposing is:
>> - a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
>> - another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to 
>> accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
>> - angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame 
>> the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
>> - fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together whil

Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Sandra and David.

It is very important for us, that it is a box with built in light, which 
controls the lighting for us. It is also important, that you can place the 
phone as a lafthanded and a wrighthanded, it means sometimes a lot how the 
phone is turned to the results of the scanning. I am saticefied with the box 
model, but I will send Harry a couple of ideas how to improve the standscan pro.


Best regards Annie.
On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Sandratomkins  wrote:

> Hi David and all,
> 
>To add to what you have said, David, the StandScan Pro and other similar 
> boxes were designed with the main-stream in mind, this is because for optimal 
> imaging, a light box is necessary. It just so happens that this requirement 
> works perfectly for us! Personally speaking, I love to find my solutions, as 
> often as possible, from the mainstream. They tend to work and are, generally, 
> competitively priced. I do remember finding a stand for the KNFB Reader, but 
> if i remember aright, it cost something like 200 pounds! I may be wrong 
> though, so don't quote me! I actually think, with all its apparent 
> short-comings, the StandScan pro is our best option at the moment and doesn't 
> break the bank. As for the cardboard issue: Plastic would have issues with 
> the heat from the lights. Wood would be too bulky/heavy. Metal ditto and so, 
> I think they have gone the right way with the cardboard. If I get 2/3 years 
> of wear out of my SSp before considering replacing it, I will be delighted! 
> Indeed, speaking as someone who likes to be able to recycle stuff, I don't 
> know how I feel about the lamination, but will live with it for now. However, 
> different from others on the list, i like the more eco-friendly nature of the 
> SSP being cardboard.
> 
>For those people who feel that this is a very expensive "shoe-box", I can 
> only say that:
> 1. I have never seen a shoe box with the dimensions necessary for effective 
> scanning.
> 2. It is more than possible to create your own light box, I did this some 
> time ago using a box from the supermarket and cutting a hole in the side. It 
> worked too! but was not as good as the SSP and I had to employ the built-in 
> lighting of the phone which was not as good.
> 3. Oranges aren't the only fruit! Just because we have found something that 
> works for us, doesn't mena that there isn't room for alternatives. Bring them 
> on! I'd love to hear of them and experiment. Meanwhile, life goes on and we 
> can now use the OCR potential of our phones in a successful/affordable and 
> portable way. This is brilliant as far as I am concerned.
> 
>I shall be showing off my cardboard box, AKA the StandScan Pro, to my 
> University soon and expect it to be received rapturously as a cost effective 
> addition to accessibility options for the VIP/Dyslexic students.
> 
>JMT, Sandy. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 12:07, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
>> Well, people have been suggesting different ways of making frames to support 
>> the iPhone since we first started having success with Prizmo. Until the 
>> StandScan Pro came out, nobody suggested a box. The obvious fact of the 
>> matter is nobody actually built it. Some people experimented with wire 
>> vegetable racks and such to hold the iPhone with mixed success.
>> 
>> Those who are blind cannot tell when lighting is good enough that additional 
>> lighting isn't necessary. At the same time, those who are blind cannot tell 
>> if the lighting is too direct or too bright. So, one of the obvious flaws 
>> with your design is the need to provide constant lighting that doesn't cast 
>> shadows or glare on the paper. Also, if you want to sell said device 
>> commercially, how will you produce it in quantity at an affordable price. If 
>> you come up with a viable alternative to the StandScan which retails for a 
>> similar price, can be shipped to NZ, is portable, and so forth, I may 
>> purchase one. I do not have the time or inclination to design and 
>> manufacture my own; especially now that a viable model exists at an 
>> affordable price.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 06/04/2013, at 21:52, "Bill Gallik"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now 
>>> wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?
>>> 
>>> What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed 
>>> that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8 
>>> inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" 
>>> If the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus 
>>> eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of 
>>> some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base 
>>> could accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the t

Re: Fast Forward And Rewind With iTunes And iPhone 5

[Eric Caron]

Hi Jessica,

I use the 15 second rewind and fast forward in the music app when 
listening to audio books.  if this is not showing up for you then you may need 
to press the Album Art button to get the additional controls.  I have not tried 
this recently but I think that also a double tap and hold on the forward and 
back buttons may result in a rewind or fast forward action.

Eric Caron 
On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Jessica Diaz  wrote:

> Hello
> I just started wanting to take my audio books around on my Iphone for
> my daily commutes. When I am in a file that is 8 hours long, how can I
> fast forward and rewind? If I lose my place and want to get back, I
> flick up and down on this track position but it moves by hour. Any
> suggestions? If iTunes isn't the best for this can someone suggest
> another app?
> Jessica Diaz
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RE: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

[lsterling0]

Hi I tried the computer screen and it gave me results, my husband was
playing a game and it told me what game. I am going to try some more on my
computer later today I will let the list know what I find.
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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

Hi,
Before you all get to excited, let me tell you that i'm not sure what
goggles is reading, nor am i sure of if what i found can at all be workable
for anything or if it's just plain luck that i had.
Well, after hearing the success stories others had had with Talking goggles,
i decided i would do some experimenting on my own. I have long looked for an
app that can read displays of any shape or form and thereby help me get
things set on devices one normally can't operate without sighted assistance,
well guess what? I started with my Akai MPK61 Midi keyboard which obviously
has a quite bright display, because other apps have been able to get one or
two letters out of the display, though i couldn't be sure if it was the
display or the buttons it read, well with Goggles, i actually got as much
info out of the display that i could successfully load a midi preset into
the keyboard. This encouraged me a bit so i went to my kitchen to see if i
could actually get some info out of my microwave. This time i wasn't so
successful, but that could be because i actually don't quite know where the
display is on the machine. I decided to continue to experiment and went into
the bathroom to see if i could read the display of my washing machine and my
tumble dryer, and lo and behold, i got text out of the displays, not so much
that i could do settings based on the info, but still i got text out of the
display and i could actually see that it changed. This made me sit down and
think, would it be possible to actually get some info out of the Olympus
LS-100 recorder in places where the voice guidance wasn't present and the
answer is yes, i can actually read the display, but not yet so well that i
can make settings and adjustments based on what i read, either it is
possible with training, or it won't work and it won't get any better, but
just the fact that an app makes reading displays possible is exciting news
to me. If anyone wants to continue experimenting, please feel free to do it
and please document what you find, positive or negative. In my
experimentations i used video mode which gave an almost realtime experience.
/Krister

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one thing I wish apple would change

[Troy Sullivan]

Good morning all,
This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't know about 
it. but I have something that I think apple needs to change or needs to make 
better. Because of the strong medication I take it kind of messes with my hand 
cordination, my hands are not always stable so like when I do the doubletap and 
hold to delete something sometimes I have to do it several times before I get 
it. This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands just weren't having it 
today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter setting. I know I'm 
probably not the only one out there with hand cordination issues, but is there 
a setting or something I can do to make the jestures easier for me to do? Also 
if someone has a way I can contact apple's accessibility dept about this please 
let me know.
Thanks.

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RE: one thing I wish apple would change

[Jon Pierson]

Hi Troy,
Try using two hands to turn the rotor, kind of like swiping a finger on the
left hand across the screen from right to left while doing the opposite with
the right hand at the same moment.
I was teaching someone who was having a terrible time with gestures and that
did the trick.

Jon


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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:56 AM
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Subject: one thing I wish apple would change

Good morning all,
This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't know
about it. but I have something that I think apple needs to change or needs
to make better. Because of the strong medication I take it kind of messes
with my hand cordination, my hands are not always stable so like when I do
the doubletap and hold to delete something sometimes I have to do it several
times before I get it. This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands
just weren't having it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter
setting. I know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand
cordination issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the
jestures easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact
apple's accessibility dept about this please let me know.
Thanks.

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Help!! Talking Goggles App Instructions

[Eileens Misrahi]

Hello List,

I decided to install Talking Goggles. I haven't found any button for settings 
or for a tutorial. Can someone describe how this app is suppose to work? I have 
tapped on the video button and I think it's recording. Where does the 
recordings go to? I don't know if I am,using it correctly. Any instructions on 
this app is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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Re: talking goggles

[Anne Robertson]

This app even translates text as best it can into the selected language. I 
tried it with various books in English, French, German and Russian. It 
translated the title of the French book into English perfectly but it struggled 
with the German and Russian books. I think it uses something like Google 
Translate which can give pretty hilarious results.

Cheers,

Anne




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Re: one thing I wish apple would change

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
Another rotor technique that I pass along to my students involves using two 
hands as well. It goes like this:
1. Place the phone on a flat, stable surface like a desktop or table.  If 
that's not handy, I'll hold the phone against my chest.
2. Place the index fingers of each hand caddy-corner to each other, for 
example, left index at the lower left-hand corner of the screen and the 
right index at the upper right-hand corner of the screen.
3. Move the left index finger straight up while simultaneously moving the 
right index finger straight down, or vice versa, depending on which way the 
rotor is to be turned.


I prefer this technique to the knob-turning action that is usually 
recommended even though I can use that technique satisfactorily.  The 
technique that I described above works great for me, and when I find the 
rotor setting that I want to use, I can then flick up or down with my right 
index finger.


Hope this helps.
Tom

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To: 
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Subject: RE: one thing I wish apple would change



Hi Troy,
Try using two hands to turn the rotor, kind of like swiping a finger on 
the
left hand across the screen from right to left while doing the opposite 
with

the right hand at the same moment.
I was teaching someone who was having a terrible time with gestures and 
that

did the trick.

Jon


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Troy Sullivan
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: one thing I wish apple would change

Good morning all,
This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't know
about it. but I have something that I think apple needs to change or needs
to make better. Because of the strong medication I take it kind of messes
with my hand cordination, my hands are not always stable so like when I do
the doubletap and hold to delete something sometimes I have to do it 
several

times before I get it. This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands
just weren't having it today so I had to use the keybord to change my 
roter

setting. I know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand
cordination issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make 
the

jestures easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact
apple's accessibility dept about this please let me know.
Thanks.

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Talking Goggles Observation and Question

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
I was really excited to hear about Talking Goggles last night and again this 
morning, so I bought the app and took it for a spin on my iPhone 4.

So far it's identified several unlabeled boxes that I have in my kitchen 
cabinet, and that's really cool.  It also identified a couple of pictures that 
I have on the walls of my apartment.  

My only issue with it so far is that I can only run it for a couple of minutes 
before I get dumped out to the home screen, and that's with the app switcher 
empty.  Is this normal?  Oh, by the way, I'm running it in video mode.

Oh yeah, and one more thing.  In my computer lab at work, I often have students 
who come to me and say that their computer isn't talking for one reason or 
another. So, just for kicks and grins, I turned on my computer monitor here at 
home, then let Talking Goggles tell me what was on screen.  While it didn't 
give me a complete read on what was on screen, it did give me enough 
information to tell whether a document was open (it was at one point), and also 
whether the desktop was being displayed.  So it seems to me that Goggles might 
be helpful if a machine is taking a long time to boot and/or has crashed and 
there might be some sort of error message showing.   

Just thought I'd pass that along.

Tom


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Changing the Rotor

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tom,

I changed the subject line to better reflect this topic.  The method you 
outlined is exactly the way I handle changing the rotor.  I originally tried 
using one hand and 2 fingers, and I had some success, but holding the phone to 
my chest and using both hands works almost flawlessly.  I'd say my ability to 
change the rotor on each turn with 2 hands is over 90%, far better than I ever 
could accomplish using one hand.

Les
On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:

> Hi,
> Another rotor technique that I pass along to my students involves using two 
> hands as well. It goes like this:
> 1. Place the phone on a flat, stable surface like a desktop or table.  If 
> that's not handy, I'll hold the phone against my chest.
> 2. Place the index fingers of each hand caddy-corner to each other, for 
> example, left index at the lower left-hand corner of the screen and the right 
> index at the upper right-hand corner of the screen.
> 3. Move the left index finger straight up while simultaneously moving the 
> right index finger straight down, or vice versa, depending on which way the 
> rotor is to be turned.
> 
> I prefer this technique to the knob-turning action that is usually 
> recommended even though I can use that technique satisfactorily.  The 
> technique that I described above works great for me, and when I find the 
> rotor setting that I want to use, I can then flick up or down with my right 
> index finger.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Tom
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jon Pierson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: one thing I wish apple would change
> 
> 
>> Hi Troy,
>> Try using two hands to turn the rotor, kind of like swiping a finger on the
>> left hand across the screen from right to left while doing the opposite with
>> the right hand at the same moment.
>> I was teaching someone who was having a terrible time with gestures and that
>> did the trick.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Troy Sullivan
>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:56 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: one thing I wish apple would change
>> 
>> Good morning all,
>> This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't know
>> about it. but I have something that I think apple needs to change or needs
>> to make better. Because of the strong medication I take it kind of messes
>> with my hand cordination, my hands are not always stable so like when I do
>> the doubletap and hold to delete something sometimes I have to do it several
>> times before I get it. This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands
>> just weren't having it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter
>> setting. I know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand
>> cordination issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the
>> jestures easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact
>> apple's accessibility dept about this please let me know.
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: one thing I wish apple would change

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

In some apps, you can delete by flicking down to Delete and double-tapping. Try 
this technique first before trying the double-tap and hold gesture.

Best,
Anna



On Apr 6, 2013, at 8:56 AM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:

> Good morning all,
> This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't know about 
> it. but I have something that I think apple needs to change or needs to make 
> better. Because of the strong medication I take it kind of messes with my 
> hand cordination, my hands are not always stable so like when I do the 
> doubletap and hold to delete something sometimes I have to do it several 
> times before I get it. This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands just 
> weren't having it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter 
> setting. I know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand cordination 
> issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the jestures 
> easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact apple's 
> accessibility dept about this please let me know.
> Thanks.
> 
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REUnknown topic was: Standscan pro

[Ron Pelletier]

This topic was changed along the way so, had the wrong subject line

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Holdstock
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Standscan pro

 

No issues for me on a Windows 8 PC either.

 

Peter

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: 01 April 2013 12:32
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Standscan pro

 

HI.  what do you mean by errors?  it's ok here on the mac.

 

 

Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.

Email/ I Message: &fb  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

twitter: bubbygirl 

skype: bubbygirl1972

 

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

 

 

 

 

On 01/04/2013, at 8:05 PM, Pablo Morales  wrote:

 

People, this web site is not showing well in my phone computers, job
computers, and phone either.
I don't know how all of you crossed on this web site, but I have a lot of
errors browsing on this site.
P
- Original Message - From: "David Chittenden"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Standscan pro




Go to
www.standscan.com
to read about the product and pricing.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 31/03/2013, at 12:31, "Lori Dent"  wrote:



Hi all,

What is this standdscan pro and what does it do and used for? And how much
does it cost? Thanks for answering my question.

Lori and the Gipper

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flash or any substitute

[Pablo Morales]

Hi list.
I am needing to play a URL with flash, but iPhone doesn't allow flash content 
with safari, what can I do in this case?
Thanks
Pablo

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Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

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RE: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Bill,

There are a few things you have to look at.  First, the box design certainly
keeps the light on the subject.  Having no light in there would be very
limiting because it is very frequent that there is not enough ambient light.
The proof of that is that the StandScan Pro is needed for that reason.  The
StandScan doesn't work anywhere as well.  Also, it is known that the 9 volt
battery holder is not sufficient to get enough lighting.  You also need to
take into consideration that those of us who are totally blind have no idea
as to how much ambient lighting there is.  Your idea for a frame I guess is
doable but it has many drawbacks.  Believe me, I worked with blind people
for many years and there are a great number of them I wouldn't have wanted
to see them play around with sheet metal screws.  I would appreciate you
giving me some ideas as to how you would get around these problems

Respectfully

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Gallik
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the
product,

I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now
wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?

What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed
that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8
inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" 
If the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus
eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of
some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could
accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could
be designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of
the angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.

OK, so what I'm proposing is:
- a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
- another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to
accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
- angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame
the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
- fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together while affording
convenient assembly/disassembly (again, winged sheet metal screws)

That this design would be an "open design" would take advantage of ambient
lighting so would not require any electrical components.  Although I suppose
a "Deluxe Model" could include such components.  Heck anybody who has ever
played with Tinker Toys would find this a very feasible solution (I think)! 
;-)


Holland's Person, Bill
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Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera role/ 
 has anyone tried this?


Maria Chapman
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"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
Mahatma Gandhi

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

> Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can’t get a thing out 
> of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to video 
> camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo. The 
> camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something like 
> area, or array, but nothing helpful.
>  
> Anyone have any clues?
>  
> Neal
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RE: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi bill,

You have to remember also that squaring off an IPhone with the corner of
your proposed frame would only work with 1 particular type of phone.  The
IPhone 4 and 4S are not the same size as the IPhone 5.  Also, on a mass
production, this would be too limiting as it wouldn't accommodate other
phones.

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the
product,

Hi Bill,

I guess anything is possible and I am sure instead of aluminum plastic
pieces could be used which would be much cheaper than aluminum. I think
lighting is a must even with an open-box design because as a blind person
you don't necessarily know if the ambient light where you are is sufficient
or maybe if you happen to stand between a light source and your contraption.
I think also that the matte white finish of the cardboard is intentional as
it is non-reflective yet gives good contrast.

Anyhow, why don't you send your message to Harry from Standscan and ask him
to consider it and to maybe let you know if he thinks it would be doable.
For all you know they tried something like that and maybe found reasons why
it wasn't a good solution.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Subject: Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the
product,

I've been giving the design of Scan Stand a lot of thought and am now
wondering; can anybody explain why the concept must be a box?

What I'm getting at is this, suppose a very stable framework was designed
that could hold a smartphone above a sheet of text at the optimal 6-8
inches.  Wouldn't that work just as effectively as the "Shoe Box Design?" 
If the product were an open design no lighting would be necessary thus
eliminating the cost for electrical components.  This framework would be of
some very light, yet sturdy material such as angle aluminum.  The base could

accommodate a standard sheet of letter sized paper and the top frame could
be designed to hold an iPhone only one way -- using the vertical edges of
the angle aluminum as a "bed" to lie the iPhone in snugly.

OK, so what I'm proposing is:
- a rectangular angle aluminum frame sized to snugly hold an iPhone
- another angle aluminum frame (maybe only 3 angle aluminum pieces) sized to

accommodate a piece of paper (or allow for a book)
- angle aluminum "risers" that would robustly hold the top rectangular frame

the 6 to 8 inches above the bottom rectangular frame
- fasteners that would sturdily hold these pieces together while affording
convenient assembly/disassembly (again, winged sheet metal screws)

That this design would be an "open design" would take advantage of ambient
lighting so would not require any electrical components.  Although I suppose

a "Deluxe Model" could include such components.  Heck anybody who has ever
played with Tinker Toys would find this a very feasible solution (I think)! 
;-)


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RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

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Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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Re: talking goggles

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.


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On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

> Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see, but 
> not one with talking goggles. I’m obviously doing something wrong. I have it 
> set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try with tap 
> tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something like no 
> objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water color 
> picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes of 
> crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work. I’m in 
> the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in the room 
> are on.  Don’t know.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brett
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: talking goggles
>  
> Hi, 
> 
> 
> This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you having 
> to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 
> 
> Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
> 
> On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:
> 
> I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:
> Description of App
> 
> Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.
> 
> Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books, 
> products, artwork, text and more..
> Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
> Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
> Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
> Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream for any 
> familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds something.
> Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the results 
> in any other application.
> Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search. Or, if it 
> is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price comparison.
> Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at 
> it and Talking Goggles will tell you!
> 
> Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a 
> picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.
> 
> Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the company 
> after which you can do a search for it.
> 
> Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters. 
> Try it out!
> 
> Reviews are very positive so far:
> 
> 'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be 
> a new trend.'
> 
> 'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'
> 
> 'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my 
> cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the 
> internet to learn more.'
> 
>  
> 
> Has anyone tried this app?
> 
> Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps out 
> there for the blind?
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RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a
picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version
of the app has lost her mind. .

 

 

Neal

 

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Subject: RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

 

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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Re: one thing I wish apple would change

[Marcy Weinberg]

Have you tried assistive touch?




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On Apr 6, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:

> Good morning all,
> This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't know about 
> it. but I have something that I think apple needs to change or needs to make 
> better. Because of the strong medication I take it kind of messes with my 
> hand cordination, my hands are not always stable so like when I do the 
> doubletap and hold to delete something sometimes I have to do it several 
> times before I get it. This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands just 
> weren't having it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter 
> setting. I know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand cordination 
> issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the jestures 
> easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact apple's 
> accessibility dept about this please let me know.
> Thanks.
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RE: I just self-diagnosed myself with IPhoneitist

[Rose Combs]

No, but I was loading a program on the computer one night and started taping
the screen to get some information, Windows 7, I might add so no touch.  


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Subject: Re: I just self-diagnosed myself with IPhoneitist

This thread causes me to ponder this thought; how many of you have been
listening to a radio program, TV program or recording of some sort and find 
yourself trying to hit the "BACK" button? I sure have, SHISH!   ;-)

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Re: accessible Bible app

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

I just learned something! Since we have such a hard time getting to the Bible 
option in the Menu, I learned that you can put your book, chapter, and verse in 
the reference keyword area and it will bring it up for you! So for inst_every, 
you can go to the menu. In the righteference or keyword field, write Psa 91. It 
will bring up the entire Psalm. Or you can write Isa 54:17; and it will bring 
up that verse. 

~Sharonda 

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On Apr 5, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Carol Pearson  
wrote:

> Yes, that's the right one! Hope you enjoy it!
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
> 
> On 5 Apr 2013, at 07:42 PM, "Paul Ferrara"  wrote:
> 
>> Yes those are the same.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Arianna
>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 2:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: accessible Bible app
>> 
>> Is the LifeChurch one the same as the Youversion one? I also have Bible 
>> Gateway, but I like the You version 1 better. I'm not exactly sure why, but, 
>> if I'm remembering correctly, it fseems easier to use.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Carol Pearson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Most people on list who want a good Bible app use thE Bible app which is 
>>> still the first in my list, searching for Bible. If you read the info, you 
>>> should read something about LifeChurch Bible. You don't have to sign up, 
>>> but it's really useful (because of interaction with the site) which makes 
>>> it worthwhile.
>>> The second, Bible Gateway, is also popular.
>>> 
>>> I did try the OliveTree one but I think that's very graphical and I didn't 
>>> get it to work.
>>> 
>>> It's a bit late now but I can probably help more tomorrow. Write on list, 
>>> or me personally if you wish, with any questions.
>>> 
>>> Regards and I trust you'll soon be up and running!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> carol P
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 06:11 AM, "Van Lant Family"  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, I'm new to the list and still pretty new to my iPhone 4.  I'm looking 
 for an app to read the ESV version of the Bible on my phone.  I just 
 downloded 2 apps (out of 70 some that  came up in the app store search) 
 and both are inaccessible to VO.  One reads some of the icons, but not the 
 important stuff.  The other was recommended by a sighted friend and seems 
 cool, but won't read.
 
 Without downloading and trying each of the other 70 some options, can 
 anyone point me to one  that works?  I'd prefer the ESV translation, but 
 would consider others just to have an accessible one.
 
 Can developers make these apps accessible somehow if I were to contact 
 them and ask about it?
 
 Robin Van Lant
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Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Anne Robertson]

It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a great 
job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture on a place 
mat. I'm seriously impressed!

Anne

On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:

> Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a 
> picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version of 
> the app has lost her mind. .
>  
>  
> Neal
>  
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> Neal Ewers
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>  
> That doesn’t work for me either. I don’t get any description of any of the 
> photos. I must be missing something here.
>  
> Neal
>  
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> Maria & Joe Chapman
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> Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera 
> role/  has anyone tried this?
>  
>  
> Maria Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>  
> "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
> Mahatma Gandhi
>  
> On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can’t get a thing out 
> of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to video 
> camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo. The 
> camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something like 
> area, or array, but nothing helpful.
>  
> Anyone have any clues?
>  
> Neal
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RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, the subject of this message is cannot get talking goggles to work.
Please do not hijack this subject with the fact that it will take a picture
of your dog.

 

Neal

 

 

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Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a
great job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture
on a place mat. I'm seriously impressed!

 

Anne

 

On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:





Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a
picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version
of the app has lost her mind. .

 

 

Neal

 

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That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers" < 
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:

 

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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RE: talking goggles

[Rose Combs]

Well between tap-tap see and goggles, I have very little lock it one works
on one thing and the other may work on something else.  I guess I am never
going to be a photo bug.  

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 3:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Thanks again...

Chandan

Sent from my iPad


On 06-Apr-2013, at 10:10 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi again,

 

I forgot to mention that if you do take individual pictures they get saved
in your Camera Roll, but if you use Video Mode the video doesn't get saved.
I didn't see a Setting unless there is something for that app in the
Settings app of the phone so I don't think at this point you can tell it to
save or not to save the pictures. I agree with Brett that video mode for the
most part is the way to go.

 

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Hi, 

 

This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" 
wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

*   Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more..
*   Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
*   Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
*   Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
*   Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
something.
*   Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application.
*   Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at
it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters.
Try it out!

Reviews are very positive so far:

'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be
a new trend.'

'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'

'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my
cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the
internet to learn more.'

 

Has anyone tried this app?

Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps
out there for the blind?

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blue tooth keyboard

[Ming]

hi all,
I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
and it is an apple's one.
I ahve a few question wanna ask.
1.  how can I  go to the status bar. such as check my IPhone's bactery's life?
2. how to go to the notification's centre?
3. how to get  to the keyboard help?
thanks for any help...

Ming
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RE: talking goggles

[Neal Ewers]

Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles
than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap
tap see will tell me things like the back of a person's head, a man wearing
a blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for
me. If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say
controls on black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the
writing on the buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold
goggles close to a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have
mentioned, read the writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can
hold it in front of any picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am
not quite sure what this all means.

 

It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of
buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with
it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing.
I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm,
I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .

 

This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other,
I'm simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles
other than read text and buttons. So far, I don't have much luck.

 

Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people's testing.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see,
but not one with talking goggles. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I
have it set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try
with tap tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something
like no objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water
color picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes
of crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work.
I'm in the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in
the room are on.  Don't know.

 

Neal

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@  googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Hi, 






This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" <
 troysulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

*   Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more..
*   Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
*   Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
*   Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
*   Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
something.
*   Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application.
*   Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at
it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters.
Try it out!

Reviews are very positive so far:

'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be
a new trend.'

'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'

'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my
cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the
internet to learn more.'

 

Has anyone tried this app?

Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps
out there for the blind?

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RE: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

[Rose Combs]

I used video mode, also, got only the tones item in the iTunes tree view,
recognized a box of soft touch lancets, read nature off a bottle of
vitamins, nothing else, said it was seeing a label on some Classic Spaghetti
sauce which it never completely read and tap-tap=-c did.  Tried to read a
perfume bottle no go with either app, tried to read the large hanging
thermometer in the hall, no luck there.  That is about all I tried this
morning.  

Shutter-bug I am not, apparently.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 4:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

Hi,
Before you all get to excited, let me tell you that i'm not sure what
goggles is reading, nor am i sure of if what i found can at all be workable
for anything or if it's just plain luck that i had.
Well, after hearing the success stories others had had with Talking goggles,
i decided i would do some experimenting on my own. I have long looked for an
app that can read displays of any shape or form and thereby help me get
things set on devices one normally can't operate without sighted assistance,
well guess what? I started with my Akai MPK61 Midi keyboard which obviously
has a quite bright display, because other apps have been able to get one or
two letters out of the display, though i couldn't be sure if it was the
display or the buttons it read, well with Goggles, i actually got as much
info out of the display that i could successfully load a midi preset into
the keyboard. This encouraged me a bit so i went to my kitchen to see if i
could actually get some info out of my microwave. This time i wasn't so
successful, but that could be because i actually don't quite know where the
display is on the machine. I decided to continue to experiment and went into
the bathroom to see if i could read the display of my washing machine and my
tumble dryer, and lo and behold, i got text out of the displays, not so much
that i could do settings based on the info, but still i got text out of the
display and i could actually see that it changed. This made me sit down and
think, would it be possible to actually get some info out of the Olympus
LS-100 recorder in places where the voice guidance wasn't present and the
answer is yes, i can actually read the display, but not yet so well that i
can make settings and adjustments based on what i read, either it is
possible with training, or it won't work and it won't get any better, but
just the fact that an app makes reading displays possible is exciting news
to me. If anyone wants to continue experimenting, please feel free to do it
and please document what you find, positive or negative. In my
experimentations i used video mode which gave an almost realtime experience.
/Krister

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Re: blue tooth keyboard

[Marcy Weinberg]

1. To go to the status bar, press control-option-m.  Press escape to leave and 
return to the home screen or the screen you were in.

2. There is no keystroke to get to the notification center.

3. Keyboard help is command-k.  Press escape to get out of help.

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On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Ming  wrote:

> hi all,
> I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
> and it is an apple's one.
> I ahve a few question wanna ask.
> 1.  how can I  go to the status bar. such as check my IPhone's bactery's life?
> 2. how to go to the notification's centre?
> 3. how to get  to the keyboard help?
> thanks for any help...
> 
> Ming
> msn/window live messenger
> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
> skype:
> chungchiming9950
> 
> blog/ xanga
> http://www.xanga.com/chungchiming
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Re: talking goggles

[Anne Robertson]

As far as I know, Talking Goggles does not use human beings whereas Tap Tap See 
does. This would explain why Talking Goggles works better reading text rather 
than identifying objects. It does identify well known pictures as I mentioned 
in a previous message that you dismissed as frivolous. It failed to identify my 
dog as a dog and said she was an alp. However, it identified the picture on a 
place mat as Tower Bridge which is, of course, a famous image. It does a really 
good job on text in many different languages which is extremely useful for 
someone like me who lives in a country that is not English speaking.

But, as for all apps using the camera, sufficient light is essential. So if you 
have no light perception, you'd be advised to do what I do and use the Light 
Detector app before attempting to use Talking Goggles. That way, you'll know 
when to use the flash.

Anne


On 6 Apr 2013, at 19:21, Neal Ewers  wrote:

> Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles 
> than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap 
> tap see will tell me things like the back of a person’s head, a man wearing a 
> blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for me. 
> If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say controls on 
> black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the writing on the 
> buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold goggles close to 
> a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have mentioned, read the 
> writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can hold it in front of any 
> picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am not quite sure what this 
> all means.
>  
> It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of 
> buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with 
> it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing. 
> I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm, 
> I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .
>  
> This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other, 
> I’m simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles 
> other than read text and buttons. So far, I don’t have much luck.
>  
> Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people’s testing.
>  
> Neal

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Re: blue tooth keyboard

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Quick correction, getting to keyboard help is control-option-k.  Escape gets 
you out of the help mode.

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On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Ming  wrote:

> hi all,
> I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
> and it is an apple's one.
> I ahve a few question wanna ask.
> 1.  how can I  go to the status bar. such as check my IPhone's bactery's life?
> 2. how to go to the notification's centre?
> 3. how to get  to the keyboard help?
> thanks for any help...
> 
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Re: blue tooth keyboard

[Ming]

Thanks. 
Does it have the way to close the apps in apps switcher using the keyboard? 

Ming
Skype: chungchiming9950


Marcy Weinberg  於 2013年4月7日 上午1:37 寫道：

> 1. To go to the status bar, press control-option-m.  Press escape to leave 
> and return to the home screen or the screen you were in.
> 
> 2. There is no keystroke to get to the notification center.
> 
> 3. Keyboard help is command-k.  Press escape to get out of help.
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> 
>> hi all,
>> I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
>> and it is an apple's one.
>> I ahve a few question wanna ask.
>> 1.  how can I  go to the status bar. such as check my IPhone's bactery's 
>> life?
>> 2. how to go to the notification's centre?
>> 3. how to get  to the keyboard help?
>> thanks for any help...
>> 
>> Ming
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>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
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Re: recommending the list

[Michael Amaro]

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On 04/06/2013 01:13 AM, Michael Amaro wrote:

Hello Listers,
I told another iPhone user about this list he has an iPhone 4.  What
does he have to do in order to join the list?
Thanks
Michael
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RE: question about muting the phone

[denise colley]

Thanks Sieghard:

 

I would use mute if I am on a conference call and happen to be in a vehicle
or somewhere where there is external noise.

 

Denise

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 12:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: question about muting the phone

 

Hi Denise,

 

If the keypad is onscreen when you are on a call you hide it by pressing the
Hide Keypad button which is located at the bottom right of the screen across
from the End Call button which is at the bottom left of the screen. Just put
your finger on the Home Key and then move it up a bit and to the right,
about the 2 o'clock position from the Home Key. Once the keypad is hidden
then the Mute button is indeed the first button right under where your call
information is displayed. Just out of curiocity, in what situation do you
plan to use Mute? I have never found a need to use it which of course
doesn't mean anything, but I'm just curious.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Of denise colley
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: question about muting the phone

 

Can anyone tell me how to mute the phone when you are on a call?  I have the
iphone 5.  I was told if you hide the keypad the mute button is at the top
of the screen, but how do you hide the keypad?

 

Denise

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Returning i touch to factory settings

[Tarapprakash]

Using a used phone, what should be done 
Dear all. A friend of mine bought a used i touch. The original user did not 
bring the device back to factory settings. He has not been able to sign in with 
his own apple id. He has itunes eleven installed. But he is unable to find the 
option to change the settings. Every time he tries to use appstore the original 
user's apple id appears. Kindly help be guide this guy. 
nt from my iPhone

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Re: new to iphone

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http://oldhatguide.com/preordernow

The Old Hat Guide To iPhone Accessibility Was written by the blind, for the 
blind. It is available now for preorder, and will be in the iBookstore 
beginning April 15. All the information about it, as well as the opportunity to 
preorder, are available at the above link.

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On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:

> A good sight is http://www.applevis.com
> Also I forget the website but there's a book out there for IPhone users for 
> the blind you can get via download or braille.
> - Original Message -
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Re: Returning i touch to factory settings

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Go to settings/general/reset. Choose the option, erase all content and 
settings. Follow the prompts and directions. This will bring the iPod touch 
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Tarapprakash  wrote:

> Using a used phone, what should be done 
> Dear all. A friend of mine bought a used i touch. The original user did not 
> bring the device back to factory settings. He has not been able to sign in 
> with his own apple id. He has itunes eleven installed. But he is unable to 
> find the option to change the settings. Every time he tries to use appstore 
> the original user's apple id appears. Kindly help be guide this guy. 
> nt from my iPhone
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Re: Returning i touch to factory settings

[Tarapprakash]

Thanks. Do u lose voiceover. I believe tripple home will work. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Marcy Weinberg  wrote:

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>> Using a used phone, what should be done 
>> Dear all. A friend of mine bought a used i touch. The original user did not 
>> bring the device back to factory settings. He has not been able to sign in 
>> with his own apple id. He has itunes eleven installed. But he is unable to 
>> find the option to change the settings. Every time he tries to use appstore 
>> the original user's apple id appears. Kindly help be guide this guy. 
>> nt from my iPhone
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Re: blue tooth keyboard

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No, it does not.


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On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Ming  wrote:

> Thanks. 
> Does it have the way to close the apps in apps switcher using the keyboard? 
> 
> Ming
> Skype: chungchiming9950
> 
> 
> Marcy Weinberg  於 2013年4月7日 上午1:37 寫道：
> 
>> 1. To go to the status bar, press control-option-m.  Press escape to leave 
>> and return to the home screen or the screen you were in.
>> 
>> 2. There is no keystroke to get to the notification center.
>> 
>> 3. Keyboard help is command-k.  Press escape to get out of help.
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>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Ming  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi all,
>>> I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
>>> and it is an apple's one.
>>> I ahve a few question wanna ask.
>>> 1.  how can I  go to the status bar. such as check my IPhone's bactery's 
>>> life?
>>> 2. how to go to the notification's centre?
>>> 3. how to get  to the keyboard help?
>>> thanks for any help...
>>> 
>>> Ming
>>> msn/window live messenger
>>> chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
>>> skype:
>>> chungchiming9950
>>> 
>>> blog/ xanga
>>> http://www.xanga.com/chungchiming
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Re: Returning i touch to factory settings

[Marcy Weinberg]

Yes, triple click home should work.


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On Apr 6, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Tarapprakash  wrote:

> Thanks. Do u lose voiceover. I believe tripple home will work. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Marcy Weinberg  wrote:
> 
>> Go to settings/general/reset. Choose the option, erase all content and 
>> settings. Follow the prompts and directions. This will bring the iPod touch 
>> back to factory settings, setting it up as a new iPod.
>> 
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>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:55 PM, Tarapprakash  wrote:
>> 
>>> Using a used phone, what should be done 
>>> Dear all. A friend of mine bought a used i touch. The original user did not 
>>> bring the device back to factory settings. He has not been able to sign in 
>>> with his own apple id. He has itunes eleven installed. But he is unable to 
>>> find the option to change the settings. Every time he tries to use appstore 
>>> the original user's apple id appears. Kindly help be guide this guy. 
>>> nt from my iPhone
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RE: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

Thanks. I looked at the website, but couldn't find details such as Table of 
Contents, etc. Sorry if I missed them.

How much is there in this book about using iTunes on the PC or Mac side, for 
backing up, synching, managing media, etc?

Thanks. Keith


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Subject: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone

http://oldhatguide.com/preordernow
The Old Hat Guide To iPhone Accessibility Was written by the blind, for the 
blind. It is available now for preorder, and will be in the iBookstore 
beginning April 15. All the information about it, as well as the opportunity to 
preorder, are available at the above link.

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On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Troy Sullivan" 
mailto:troysulliva...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A good sight is http://www.applevis.com
Also I forget the website but there's a book out there for IPhone users for the 
blind you can get via download or braille.
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Subject: new to iphone

Hello
I just got an IPhone yesterday. Can someone refer me to some good podcasts or 
tutorials to help me getting started?
thanks in advance.
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RE: Help!! Talking Goggles App Instructions

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Eileen,

Just look in the archives for "Talking goggles" as I posted a fairly
detailed review about the app. There is, by the way, no setting button. You
just use it. Videos don't go anywhere, they just recognize on the fly so to
speak. If you use still pictures to recognize stuff those are saved in your
camera roll which I personally don't care about, but that's the way it is.


Regards,
Sieghard
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Subject: Help!! Talking Goggles App Instructions

Hello List,

I decided to install Talking Goggles. I haven't found any button for
settings or for a tutorial. Can someone describe how this app is suppose to
work? I have tapped on the video button and I think it's recording. Where
does the recordings go to? I don't know if I am,using it correctly. Any
instructions on this app is much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen


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Re: talking goggles

[Christopher Chaltain]

Tap Tap See uses both digital recognition as well as crowd sourcing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> As far as I know, Talking Goggles does not use human beings whereas Tap Tap 
> See does. This would explain why Talking Goggles works better reading text 
> rather than identifying objects. It does identify well known pictures as I 
> mentioned in a previous message that you dismissed as frivolous. It failed to 
> identify my dog as a dog and said she was an alp. However, it identified the 
> picture on a place mat as Tower Bridge which is, of course, a famous image. 
> It does a really good job on text in many different languages which is 
> extremely useful for someone like me who lives in a country that is not 
> English speaking.
> 
> But, as for all apps using the camera, sufficient light is essential. So if 
> you have no light perception, you'd be advised to do what I do and use the 
> Light Detector app before attempting to use Talking Goggles. That way, you'll 
> know when to use the flash.
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 19:21, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles 
>> than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap 
>> tap see will tell me things like the back of a person’s head, a man wearing 
>> a blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for 
>> me. If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say 
>> controls on black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the 
>> writing on the buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold 
>> goggles close to a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have 
>> mentioned, read the writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can 
>> hold it in front of any picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am 
>> not quite sure what this all means.
>>  
>> It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of 
>> buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with 
>> it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing. 
>> I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm, 
>> I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .
>>  
>> This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other, 
>> I’m simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles 
>> other than read text and buttons. So far, I don’t have much luck.
>>  
>> Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people’s testing.
>>  
>> Neal
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Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't consider this an example of a hijacked thread. It was an example of 
getting it to work, sort of. I'd save this criticism for more drastic examples 
of hijacking or leave it to the moderators.

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> Hi, the subject of this message is cannot get talking goggles to work. Please 
> do not hijack this subject with the fact that it will take a picture of your 
> dog.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anne Robertson
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a great 
> job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture on a 
> place mat. I'm seriously impressed!
>  
> Anne
>  
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a 
> picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version of 
> the app has lost her mind. .
>  
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neal Ewers
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> That doesn’t work for me either. I don’t get any description of any of the 
> photos. I must be missing something here.
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera 
> role/  has anyone tried this?
>  
>  
> Maria Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>  
> "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
> Mahatma Gandhi
>  
> On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can’t get a thing out 
> of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to video 
> camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo. The 
> camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something like 
> area, or array, but nothing helpful.
>  
> Anyone have any clues?
>  
> Neal
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RE: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the product,

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Standscan users,

I asked one of my employees today to replace the magnets in 4 places today
where my Standscan didn't hold together very well. Those were the top left
and right corner above the opening and the front and back corners on the
left side (the back is where the cable comes out).

I still had some quarter inch rare earth magnets and while they are a bit
thicker, I just peeled off the stickers that are over the existing magnets
which are quite wimpy, then my employee put a bit of arrow fletching glue in
the place and then we put one of the rare earth magnets there. I did replace
both opposing magnets and since the glue I use is super strong I didn't even
bother putting the stickers back. I think you could probably just use Crazy
Glue as well, fletching glue is something like that anyways, it sets in 15
to 30 seconds and we use it in my store's hunting department for glueing the
fletching on arrows.

Now my Standscan snaps together like there is no tomorrow and is rock solid.
The original magnets in the back always did work well.

One thing that did come to mind at one point was that maybe sometimes a
mistake is made and a magnet is put in place upside down. My employee at one
point glued in one of the rare earth magnets the wrong way so instead of
sticking together it actively pushed away, that's after all how magnets
work.

Just to give you an idea about the strength of these little magnets which by
the way are exactly the same diameter as the original magnets they have on
the Standscan, if I put 2 of them on my desk about 4 inches apart and start
nudging them towards each other they jump the distance when they are maybe
still 2 inches apart.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Annie Skov Nielsen
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 5:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Standscan not holding together and other thoughts on the
product,

Hi Sandra and David.

It is very important for us, that it is a box with built in light, which
controls the lighting for us. It is also important, that you can place the
phone as a lafthanded and a wrighthanded, it means sometimes a lot how the
phone is turned to the results of the scanning. I am saticefied with the box
model, but I will send Harry a couple of ideas how to improve the standscan
pro.


Best regards Annie.
On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Sandratomkins 
wrote:

> Hi David and all,
> 
>To add to what you have said, David, the StandScan Pro and other
similar boxes were designed with the main-stream in mind, this is because
for optimal imaging, a light box is necessary. It just so happens that this
requirement works perfectly for us! Personally speaking, I love to find my
solutions, as often as possible, from the mainstream. They tend to work and
are, generally, competitively priced. I do remember finding a stand for the
KNFB Reader, but if i remember aright, it cost something like 200
pounds! I may be wrong though, so don't quote me! I actually think, with
all its apparent short-comings, the StandScan pro is our best option at the
moment and doesn't break the bank. As for the cardboard issue: Plastic would
have issues with the heat from the lights. Wood would be too bulky/heavy.
Metal ditto and so, I think they have gone the right way with the cardboard.
If I get 2/3 years of wear out of my SSp before considering replacing it, I
will be delighted! Indeed, speaking as someone who likes to be able to
recycle stuff, I don't know how I feel about the lamination, but will live
with it for now. However, different from others on the list, i like the more
eco-friendly nature of the SSP being cardboard.
> 
>For those people who feel that this is a very expensive "shoe-box", I
can only say that:
> 1. I have never seen a shoe box with the dimensions necessary for
effective scanning.
> 2. It is more than possible to create your own light box, I did this some
time ago using a box from the supermarket and cutting a hole in the side. It
worked too! but was not as good as the SSP and I had to employ the built-in
lighting of the phone which was not as good.
> 3. Oranges aren't the only fruit! Just because we have found something
that works for us, doesn't mena that there isn't room for alternatives.
Bring them on! I'd love to hear of them and experiment. Meanwhile, life goes
on and we can now use the OCR potential of our phones in a
successful/affordable and portable way. This is brilliant as far as I am
concerned.
> 
>I shall be showing off my cardboard box, AKA the StandScan Pro, to my
University soon and expect it to be received rapturously as a cost effective
addition to accessibility options for the VIP/Dyslexic students.
> 
>JMT, Sandy. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 12:07, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
>> Well, people have been suggesting different ways of making frames to
support the iPhone since we first started having success with

RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Neal Ewers]

This is why I previously appologized to Anne off list not wanting to clutter
the list. But I clutter it now because I think your point about the
definition of high jacked threads is a valid one from which we can all
learn.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

I don't consider this an example of a hijacked thread. It was an example of
getting it to work, sort of. I'd save this criticism for more drastic
examples of hijacking or leave it to the moderators.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

Hi, the subject of this message is cannot get talking goggles to work.
Please do not hijack this subject with the fact that it will take a picture
of your dog.

 

Neal

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a
great job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture
on a place mat. I'm seriously impressed!

 

Anne

 

On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:






Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a
picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version
of the app has lost her mind. .

 

 

Neal

 

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[mailto:viphone@  googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Neal Ewers
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:54 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

That doesn't work for me either. I don't get any description of any of the
photos. I must be missing something here.

 

Neal

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

 

HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera
role/  has anyone tried this?

 

 

Maria Chapman

  bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi

 

On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers" < 
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote:

 

Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can't get a thing
out of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to
video camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo.
The camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something
like area, or array, but nothing helpful.

 

Anyone have any clues?

 

Neal

 

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Re: talking goggles

[Eric Oyen]

I just downloaded this today (along with tap tap see). I will test them out 
when I head over to walmart later today. I hope to have better results than 
with Omobie or VizWiz (Omobie works ok, but VizWiz has some issues with the 
time it takes for anyone to get back to me.

anyway, thanks for the heads up on these apps. btw, does anyone happen to know 
if VO Calendar has an OS X version?

-eric

On Apr 5, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Troy Sullivan wrote:

> I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:
> Description of App
> 
> Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.
> 
> Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books, 
> products, artwork, text and more..
> Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
> Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
> Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
> Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream for any 
> familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds something.
> Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the results 
> in any other application.
> Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search. Or, if it 
> is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price comparison.
> Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at 
> it and Talking Goggles will tell you!
> 
> Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a 
> picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.
> 
> Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the company 
> after which you can do a search for it.
> 
> Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters. 
> Try it out!
> 
> Reviews are very positive so far:
> 
> 'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could be 
> a new trend.'
> 
> 'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'
> 
> 'This app worked well and quickly. I took a photo of a few products from my 
> cupboard and it identified them immediately, and offered access to the 
> internet to learn more.'
> 
>  
> Has anyone tried this app?
> 
> Wonder if this will replace tap tap see or any of those other camera apps out 
> there for the blind?
> 
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Free app for people who can't talk

[Rob]

This app is not for the Blind maybe you know someone who can use this
urTalker Pro by Nolan Technology LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/urtalker-pro/id533018709?mt=8





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flash, searching on internet

[Pablo Morales]

Hi all again
Browsing internet, I was reading that jailbreak the iPhone to play flash is 
ilegal. Why it is iLegal?
If apple dosent like flash, it is ok, but why we don't have the entitle to use 
our iDevices running videos or aoudio on flash?
Can somebody help me to understand it?
Thanks
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Re: Unknown topic was: Standscan pro

[Bill Gallik]

Ron,

What I think happened here is that I sent a post regarding trying to order the 
ScanStand Pro and the difficulties I had with the web page.  So, there’s some 
background info missing, but the thread was still indeed in regards to the 
Standscan Pro.

And while I’m at it, I’ll just mention that with Vista, JAWS 10 and IE 8 – 
which I do realize is a configuration from Jurassic Park – the web page was 
horribly difficult to navigate for someone who, like myself, is totally blind.  
It seems obvious that those with more updated PC configurations had no problem. 
 All the more reason for me to buy that new MAC.

Holland's Person, Bill
E-Mail: wfgal...@charter.net
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guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
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Re: one thing I wish apple would change

[Bill Gallik]

I suppose I’m overstating the obvious here, but the 
Settings/General/Accessibility configuration does provide for some customizing 
of how gestures may be processed.  Exactly what that may be I don’t recall just 
now – haven’t been there for a few months now – but I think it’s mostly 
something about timing.

Another feature is that where a “Double Tap” is required you can touch the 
control, keeping your finger on that control if it is the one you desire; then 
tapping once with a second finger to activate that control.  Just some thoughts 
in hopes of helping you out.

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digit-eyes label printing problem solved

[Neal Ewers]

Hi All. Previously I had written to the list saying that the printed labels
from the Digit-eyes PDF file were not printing properly. The bottom row was
getting cut off. In case anyone has this problem in the future, here is
something to consider. It certainly worked for me although I must admit, I
didn't think of it for a while.

 

My printer was set to print on bright white inkjet paper because that is
what I always use. However, there is an automatic setting which makes the
printer look at the paper and decide what it is. I don't normally use this
because it takes a little longer to get started printing, but when I set it
to automatic, it was smart enough to know that it was printing on labels and
everything printed perfectly. I guess that means Neal's printer is smarter
than Neal. .

 

Neal

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RE: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Krister,

I tried Talking Goggles on the edge of my very big Brunton battery, it's
about the size and thickness of a VHS video tape. On the edge where the
connectors and so on are I found Goggles correctly read the writing next to
a switch which allows you to change the voltage of the output. This is
pretty small writing and I am definitely impressed and think this app has
great potential.


Regards,
Sieghard



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Of Krister Ekstrom
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I experimented a little with talking goggles, here is what i found

Hi,
Before you all get to excited, let me tell you that i'm not sure what
goggles is reading, nor am i sure of if what i found can at all be workable
for anything or if it's just plain luck that i had.
Well, after hearing the success stories others had had with Talking goggles,
i decided i would do some experimenting on my own. I have long looked for an
app that can read displays of any shape or form and thereby help me get
things set on devices one normally can't operate without sighted assistance,
well guess what? I started with my Akai MPK61 Midi keyboard which obviously
has a quite bright display, because other apps have been able to get one or
two letters out of the display, though i couldn't be sure if it was the
display or the buttons it read, well with Goggles, i actually got as much
info out of the display that i could successfully load a midi preset into
the keyboard. This encouraged me a bit so i went to my kitchen to see if i
could actually get some info out of my microwave. This time i wasn't so
successful, but that could be because i actually don't quite know where the
display is on the machine. I decided to continue to experiment and went into
the bathroom to see if i could read the display of my washing machine and my
tumble dryer, and lo and behold, i got text out of the displays, not so much
that i could do settings based on the info, but still i got text out of the
display and i could actually see that it changed. This made me sit down and
think, would it be possible to actually get some info out of the Olympus
LS-100 recorder in places where the voice guidance wasn't present and the
answer is yes, i can actually read the display, but not yet so well that i
can make settings and adjustments based on what i read, either it is
possible with training, or it won't work and it won't get any better, but
just the fact that an app makes reading displays possible is exciting news
to me. If anyone wants to continue experimenting, please feel free to do it
and please document what you find, positive or negative. In my
experimentations i used video mode which gave an almost realtime experience.
/Krister

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Re: blue tooth keyboard

[Brett C.]

To get to the notification center, go to the status bar with control-option M. 
Then, with quick navigation on, use option with up arrow. Press escape to exit 
notifications.

Brett C.


On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Marcy Weinberg  wrote:

> 1. To go to the status bar, press control-option-m.  Press escape to leave 
> and return to the home screen or the screen you were in.
> 
> 2. There is no keystroke to get to the notification center.
> 
> 3. Keyboard help is command-k.  Press escape to get out of help.
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> On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Ming  wrote:
> 
>> hi all,
>> I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
>> and it is an apple's one.
>> I ahve a few question wanna ask.
>> 1.  how can I  go to the status bar. such as check my IPhone's bactery's 
>> life?
>> 2. how to go to the notification's centre?
>> 3. how to get  to the keyboard help?
>> thanks for any help...
>> 
>> Ming
>> msn/window live messenger
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>> skype:
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RE: talking goggles

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Neil,

 

It means that it's very good at recognizing logos and doing OCR on some
things and that it's not so good at telling you the controls on your stove
are the controls on your stove which I think most people would be able to
figure out without an app. Object recognition has its uses, but I honestly
don't need to take a picture of a keyboard to know it's a keyboard or stuff
like that. Anyhow, just because Talking Goggles is very good at certain
things doesn't mean it completely replaces Digit-Eyes, Tap Tap See or other
apps of that nature. One has to find out the strength and weaknesses of the
tools one has at one's disposal and use them in a way that works.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: talking goggles

 

Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles
than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap
tap see will tell me things like the back of a person's head, a man wearing
a blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for
me. If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say
controls on black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the
writing on the buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold
goggles close to a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have
mentioned, read the writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can
hold it in front of any picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am
not quite sure what this all means.

 

It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of
buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with
it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing.
I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm,
I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .

 

This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other,
I'm simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles
other than read text and buttons. So far, I don't have much luck.

 

Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people's testing.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

 

Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see,
but not one with talking goggles. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I
have it set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try
with tap tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something
like no objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water
color picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes
of crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work.
I'm in the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in
the room are on.  Don't know.

 

Neal

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@  googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Hi, 





This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" <
 troysulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

*   Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more..
*   Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
*   Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
*   Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
*   Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
something.
*   Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application.
*   Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camer

Re: Talking Goggles Observation and Question

[Lauren Simmons]

This was one of the first tests I tried last night when I heard of
this app. I simply couldn't get much out of Goggles. I pointed it at
my desktop and laptop monitor and did hear the word "win" but not much
else. I once again tried other windows and only heard a word or two or
few letters at most. Though one can probably move Goggles across the
screen a little bit at a time, this is not yet a good solution. One
only gets maybe 1% of the content on screen (depending on screen).
This is expectable since there are tons of issues at play: direct
lighting, position of Goggles, dirt on screen, steadiness, ambient
light, type of content on screen etc. It does read more on the screen
than TapTapSee and alike. (Smile).

LS


On 4/6/13, Tom Lange  wrote:
> Hi,
> I was really excited to hear about Talking Goggles last night and again this
> morning, so I bought the app and took it for a spin on my iPhone 4.
>
> So far it's identified several unlabeled boxes that I have in my kitchen
> cabinet, and that's really cool.  It also identified a couple of pictures
> that I have on the walls of my apartment.
>
> My only issue with it so far is that I can only run it for a couple of
> minutes before I get dumped out to the home screen, and that's with the app
> switcher empty.  Is this normal?  Oh, by the way, I'm running it in video
> mode.
>
> Oh yeah, and one more thing.  In my computer lab at work, I often have
> students who come to me and say that their computer isn't talking for one
> reason or another. So, just for kicks and grins, I turned on my computer
> monitor here at home, then let Talking Goggles tell me what was on screen.
> While it didn't give me a complete read on what was on screen, it did give
> me enough information to tell whether a document was open (it was at one
> point), and also whether the desktop was being displayed.  So it seems to me
> that Goggles might be helpful if a machine is taking a long time to boot
> and/or has crashed and there might be some sort of error message showing.
>
>
> Just thought I'd pass that along.
>
> Tom
>
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RE: flash, searching on internet

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Pablo,

 

You don't have to Jailbreak your phone to use websites with flash content.
The Photon browser which you can download in the app store supports flash.

 

Keep in mind that I never tried it, I heard about it on the Today in iOS
Podcast and since I couldn't remember the name I just did a quick Google
search for the following:

 

iOS internet browsers with flash support

 

The second search result had the following title, the link follows:

 

Top Flash-Enabled Browsers for the iPhone

http://ipod.about.com/od/bestiphoneapps/tp/Top-iPhone-Flash-Browsers.htm

 

The person who posted this writes "Some people claim that because the iPhone
doesn't support Flash, you can't get the full Internet on it. But with these
apps--all of which claim to bring Flash to the iPhone--that's no longer
true. The question, of course, isn't whether they can play Flash, but
whether they can play it well enough to make it usable. That's a different
story."

 

Following that is a list of apps you can download which are browsers that
support flash. I guess you just have to experiment not only how well they
handle flash, but also to their accessibility. You can always check
www.applevis.com to see if any of the browsers mentioned have been reviewed
on Applevis.

 

 

Good luck,

Sieghard

 

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Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: flash, searching on internet

 

Hi all again

Browsing internet, I was reading that jailbreak the iPhone to play flash is
ilegal. Why it is iLegal?

If apple dosent like flash, it is ok, but why we don't have the entitle to
use our iDevices running videos or aoudio on flash?

Can somebody help me to understand it?

Thanks

Pablo

 

 

 

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Re: audible app

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello Anna:
Thank you very much for giving me the tip about fast forwarding with audible 
books.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You can also double-tap and hold the middle button if you're using headphones 
> or double-tap the Home button from the lock screen and then double-tap and 
> hold the Forward button that appears near the top of the screen.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> If you are using the new Audible app there is currently no way to move
>> forward if Voiceover is on unless you go to Narration Speed where you can
>> select up to triple speed.
>> 
>> If you turn Voiceover off and hit it just right, you can touch the screen
>> just above the home key, but not too much above, then do a single finger
>> swipe up. This activates the so-called "button free" mode. If you do manage
>> to activate it which usually takes me a few tries, you can do a single
>> finger swipe from left to right on the top half of the screen to go forward
>> 60 seconds or a single finger swipe right to left to go backward. If you
>> swipe vertically it will insert a Bookmark.
>> 
>> You can turn Voiceover on again when you are done and find a "Close" button
>> at the top left which will close/turn off button free mode. Keep in mind
>> that even while it is still on, once you turn on Voiceover the swipe
>> gestures to forward or go back don't work any more.
>> 
>> I suggest you write to Audible and tell them as well that you would like to
>> see a "Jump Forward" option similar to the Jump Back button although I am
>> pretty sure they got the message and I assume their next release will
>> reintroduce some more controls again.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of denise avant
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 5:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: audible app
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am wondering if there is any way to move forward within a chapter in an
>> audible book? thanks.
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Re: flash, searching on internet

[Kirsten Edmondson]

This may sound like a rather naive question, but I never knew before that you 
could use flash on iOS, so I am seriously going to investigate the apps on the 
below link. However, a lot of what was referred to on the website was video and 
photos, is it also possible to use these apps to read magazines that are in 
flash content four example?


Kirsten 

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Apr 2013, at 22:32, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Pablo,
>  
> You don’t have to Jailbreak your phone to use websites with flash content. 
> The Photon browser which you can download in the app store supports flash.
>  
> Keep in mind that I never tried it, I heard about it on the Today in iOS 
> Podcast and since I couldn’t remember the name I just did a quick Google 
> search for the following:
>  
> iOS internet browsers with flash support
>  
> The second search result had the following title, the link follows:
>  
> Top Flash-Enabled Browsers for the iPhone
> http://ipod.about.com/od/bestiphoneapps/tp/Top-iPhone-Flash-Browsers.htm
>  
> The person who posted this writes “Some people claim that because the iPhone 
> doesn't support Flash, you can't get the full Internet on it. But with these 
> apps--all of which claim to bring Flash to the iPhone--that's no longer true. 
> The question, of course, isn't whether they can play Flash, but whether they 
> can play it well enough to make it usable. That's a different story.”
> 
>  
> 
> Following that is a list of apps you can download which are browsers that 
> support flash. I guess you just have to experiment not only how well they 
> handle flash, but also to their accessibility. You can always check 
> www.applevis.com to see if any of the browsers mentioned have been reviewed 
> on Applevis.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Sieghard
> 
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Pablo Morales
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: flash, searching on internet
>  
> Hi all again
> Browsing internet, I was reading that jailbreak the iPhone to play flash is 
> ilegal. Why it is iLegal?
> If apple dosent like flash, it is ok, but why we don't have the entitle to 
> use our iDevices running videos or aoudio on flash?
> Can somebody help me to understand it?
> Thanks
> Pablo
>  
>  
>  
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RE: Talking Goggles Observation and Question

[Neal Ewers]

It's amazing how much of this depends on lighting. I think Anne's idea of
using light detector is a good one to see how much light you have. Even
then, I have had this app and Tap Tap See tell me different things about the
same object in different times of day. The other thing is how much of the
thing you actually have in the picture. I was doing it when my wife was
watching and she could tell me when I had the item in the picture. I was not
always right. I've used the trick that someone came up with about putting my
finger on the top of the phone just over the camera and pointing to where I
think the object is. But the further you are away from the object, the more
off you can be with just the slightest turn of the camera. Fortunately, they
are somewhat forgiving and I also know that it will take some practice to do
a better job of correcting for distance, direction, and lighting.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lauren Simmons
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Talking Goggles Observation and Question

This was one of the first tests I tried last night when I heard of this app.
I simply couldn't get much out of Goggles. I pointed it at my desktop and
laptop monitor and did hear the word "win" but not much else. I once again
tried other windows and only heard a word or two or few letters at most.
Though one can probably move Goggles across the screen a little bit at a
time, this is not yet a good solution. One only gets maybe 1% of the content
on screen (depending on screen).
This is expectable since there are tons of issues at play: direct lighting,
position of Goggles, dirt on screen, steadiness, ambient light, type of
content on screen etc. It does read more on the screen than TapTapSee and
alike. (Smile).

LS


On 4/6/13, Tom Lange  wrote:
> Hi,
> I was really excited to hear about Talking Goggles last night and 
> again this morning, so I bought the app and took it for a spin on my
iPhone 4.
>
> So far it's identified several unlabeled boxes that I have in my 
> kitchen cabinet, and that's really cool.  It also identified a couple 
> of pictures that I have on the walls of my apartment.
>
> My only issue with it so far is that I can only run it for a couple of 
> minutes before I get dumped out to the home screen, and that's with 
> the app switcher empty.  Is this normal?  Oh, by the way, I'm running 
> it in video mode.
>
> Oh yeah, and one more thing.  In my computer lab at work, I often have 
> students who come to me and say that their computer isn't talking for 
> one reason or another. So, just for kicks and grins, I turned on my 
> computer monitor here at home, then let Talking Goggles tell me what was
on screen.
> While it didn't give me a complete read on what was on screen, it did 
> give me enough information to tell whether a document was open (it was 
> at one point), and also whether the desktop was being displayed.  So 
> it seems to me that Goggles might be helpful if a machine is taking a 
> long time to boot and/or has crashed and there might be some sort of error
message showing.
>
>
> Just thought I'd pass that along.
>
> Tom
>
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Discrepancy between iTunes Match and iPod

[Sandy Finley]

My iPhone and my husband's iPod have access to the same music library.
Recently he began complaining that his iPod does not play songs on an album
in order.  I was suspicious of this claim, but he's right.  I tested three
albums I know well.  First I selected "artists," located a particular artist
and then selected an album.  I listened to the first three songs, all of
which were played in order.

Then I  tried the same system on the iPod. First I tried it with the device
set to show me only downloaded music. The songs played out of order. Then I
deleted all of those albums from his device and changed the setting so that
the iPod would see the music on iTunes Match. I thought that surely when I
did this they'd be in order, since my phone was playing from the same iTunes
a Match account as is the iPod. But nope!  

The weird thing is  on his iPod the songs are shown in order; they just
don't play in order.  In short, it's a mystery. Any ideas of how to problem
solve this one? BTW, I know they are synchronized to the same account; I
purchased a couple of albums this week while we were not even in the same
town and they were immediately available to him. 

 

Sandy

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Keyboard sound question

[Blind Treasures]

Does anyone know if there is a way to raise the volume of the keyboard
input? I can barley hear it when I am typing and it would help if it was a
little louder. If it makes a difference, I am using an IP5 which is JB.
Thanks for any help.

Tony 

Blind Treasures
Phone: (804)-726-8900
Sales: sa...@blindtreasures.com
Skype: kingmeade
Web Page: http://www.blindtreasures.com
 

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RE: talking goggles

[Blind Treasures]

Maybe I am missing something but is there anyway to review the results? I
don't hear anything on the screen that resembles what is said? Also I
thought I read that there is a way to use the results in an email or similar
app. How would you go about that? Thanks for any help.
 
 


  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: talking goggles



Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles
than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap
tap see will tell me things like the back of a person's head, a man wearing
a blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for
me. If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say
controls on black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the
writing on the buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold
goggles close to a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have
mentioned, read the writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can
hold it in front of any picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am
not quite sure what this all means.

 

It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of
buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with
it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing.
I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm,
I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .

 

This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other,
I'm simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles
other than read text and buttons. So far, I don't have much luck.

 

Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people's testing.

 

Neal

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.

 

 

Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

 

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." -
Mahatma Gandhi 

 

On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see,
but not one with talking goggles. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I
have it set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try
with tap tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something
like no objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water
color picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes
of crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work.
I'm in the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in
the room are on.  Don't know.

 

Neal

 

 

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Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles

 

Hi, 






This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects. 


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" <
 troysulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

*   Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more.. 

*   Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you. 

*   Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language. 

*   Includes a torchlight to assist in reading. 

*   Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it finds
something. 

*   Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application. 

*   Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a price
comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera at
it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and posters.
Try it out!

Reviews are very positiv

Re: flash, searching on internet

[David Chittenden]

Flash is primarily an audio/video feed. If memory serves, it was originally 
used for animations. Flash was originally completely inaccessible. After 
several years, some accessibility was added to the format. However, my 
understanding is that, at least a couple years ago, it was necessary for the 
Flash coder to specifically add in accessibility or the presentation would not 
be accessible.

In the case of the Photon browser app, an app which I have never used, my 
understanding is the flash content is rendered, by a server, into an AV stream 
which can then be played in the browser app. Accessibility, therefore, would 
most likely be rather limited. I heard from a blind person that audio streams 
can be listened to using the browser, but text could not be read. Again, please 
note: I have never used the app. Everything stated here about it is third-party 
hearsay.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 07/04/2013, at 9:42, Kirsten Edmondson  
wrote:

> This may sound like a rather naive question, but I never knew before that you 
> could use flash on iOS, so I am seriously going to investigate the apps on 
> the below link. However, a lot of what was referred to on the website was 
> video and photos, is it also possible to use these apps to read magazines 
> that are in flash content four example?
> 
> 
> Kirsten 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 22:32, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pablo,
>>  
>> You don’t have to Jailbreak your phone to use websites with flash content. 
>> The Photon browser which you can download in the app store supports flash.
>>  
>> Keep in mind that I never tried it, I heard about it on the Today in iOS 
>> Podcast and since I couldn’t remember the name I just did a quick Google 
>> search for the following:
>>  
>> iOS internet browsers with flash support
>>  
>> The second search result had the following title, the link follows:
>>  
>> Top Flash-Enabled Browsers for the iPhone
>> http://ipod.about.com/od/bestiphoneapps/tp/Top-iPhone-Flash-Browsers.htm
>>  
>> The person who posted this writes “Some people claim that because the iPhone 
>> doesn't support Flash, you can't get the full Internet on it. But with these 
>> apps--all of which claim to bring Flash to the iPhone--that's no longer 
>> true. The question, of course, isn't whether they can play Flash, but 
>> whether they can play it well enough to make it usable. That's a different 
>> story.”
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Following that is a list of apps you can download which are browsers that 
>> support flash. I guess you just have to experiment not only how well they 
>> handle flash, but also to their accessibility. You can always check 
>> www.applevis.com to see if any of the browsers mentioned have been reviewed 
>> on Applevis.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Pablo Morales
>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: flash, searching on internet
>>  
>> Hi all again
>> Browsing internet, I was reading that jailbreak the iPhone to play flash is 
>> ilegal. Why it is iLegal?
>> If apple dosent like flash, it is ok, but why we don't have the entitle to 
>> use our iDevices running videos or aoudio on flash?
>> Can somebody help me to understand it?
>> Thanks
>> Pablo
>>  
>>  
>>  
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Re: one thing I wish apple would change

[Lauren Simmons]

I've never had any problems with the rotor. I do have to say I really
like the suggestion someone posted regarding swiping in opposite
directions with two fingers at top and bottom of device as one can
move very quickly through the rotor in this way, but I have also found
and equally easy method using one hand.
As iDevice is sitting on my desk, I place my right thumb at the center
of the left edge of my iPod. I then simultaneously place my right
index finger at the top left hand corner and turn my index finger to
the right to form a semi-circle. It feels like I'm mimicking the
motion of the arms of a clock moving to the right. If I miss
something, I simply move my index finger in a counter clockwise manner
and find I can quickly find what I just passed up. With just a few
trials one can master this technique. This is especially useful if one
has a cover for their iPhone or iPod touch as one can even trace along
the edges of the cover as they move their right finger in a clockwise
fashion.

LS


On 4/6/13, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>
> I suppose I’m overstating the obvious here, but the
> Settings/General/Accessibility configuration does provide for some
> customizing of how gestures may be processed.  Exactly what that may be I
> don’t recall just now – haven’t been there for a few months now – but I
> think it’s mostly something about timing.
>
> Another feature is that where a “Double Tap” is required you can touch the
> control, keeping your finger on that control if it is the one you desire;
> then tapping once with a second finger to activate that control.  Just some
> thoughts in hopes of helping you out.
> 
> Holland's Person, Bill
> E-Mail: wfgal...@charter.net
> - "Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their
> guard and give you an opportunity to commit more."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Re: Talking Goggles Observation and Question

[David Chittenden]

Please remember, for Goggles, the video stream is being constantly compared 
against a library of images. For TapTapSee, the picture is both compared with 
images, and checked by a person. VizWiz having you ask a question gives the 
person checking the image an idea of what you are actually seeking. For the 
other two, it is best guess and/or best image match.

To me, all of the above are quite impressive.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 07/04/2013, at 9:29, Lauren Simmons  wrote:

> This was one of the first tests I tried last night when I heard of
> this app. I simply couldn't get much out of Goggles. I pointed it at
> my desktop and laptop monitor and did hear the word "win" but not much
> else. I once again tried other windows and only heard a word or two or
> few letters at most. Though one can probably move Goggles across the
> screen a little bit at a time, this is not yet a good solution. One
> only gets maybe 1% of the content on screen (depending on screen).
> This is expectable since there are tons of issues at play: direct
> lighting, position of Goggles, dirt on screen, steadiness, ambient
> light, type of content on screen etc. It does read more on the screen
> than TapTapSee and alike. (Smile).
> 
> LS
> 
> 
> On 4/6/13, Tom Lange  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I was really excited to hear about Talking Goggles last night and again this
>> morning, so I bought the app and took it for a spin on my iPhone 4.
>> 
>> So far it's identified several unlabeled boxes that I have in my kitchen
>> cabinet, and that's really cool.  It also identified a couple of pictures
>> that I have on the walls of my apartment.
>> 
>> My only issue with it so far is that I can only run it for a couple of
>> minutes before I get dumped out to the home screen, and that's with the app
>> switcher empty.  Is this normal?  Oh, by the way, I'm running it in video
>> mode.
>> 
>> Oh yeah, and one more thing.  In my computer lab at work, I often have
>> students who come to me and say that their computer isn't talking for one
>> reason or another. So, just for kicks and grins, I turned on my computer
>> monitor here at home, then let Talking Goggles tell me what was on screen.
>> While it didn't give me a complete read on what was on screen, it did give
>> me enough information to tell whether a document was open (it was at one
>> point), and also whether the desktop was being displayed.  So it seems to me
>> that Goggles might be helpful if a machine is taking a long time to boot
>> and/or has crashed and there might be some sort of error message showing.
>> 
>> 
>> Just thought I'd pass that along.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
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Re: Discrepancy between iTunes Match and iPod

[David Chittenden]

It sounds like shuffle is active on his iPod. Find and double-tap shuffle to 
change its status.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 07/04/2013, at 9:46, "Sandy Finley"  wrote:

> My iPhone and my husband’s iPod have access to the same music library. 
> Recently he began complaining that his iPod does not play songs on an album 
> in order.  I was suspicious of this claim, but he’s right.  I tested three 
> albums I know well.  First I selected “artists,” located a particular artist 
> and then selected an album.  I listened to the first three songs, all of 
> which were played in order.
> Then I  tried the same system on the iPod. First I tried it with the device 
> set to show me only downloaded music. The songs played out of order. Then I 
> deleted all of those albums from his device and changed the setting so that 
> the iPod would see the music on iTunes Match. I thought that surely when I 
> did this they’d be in order, since my phone was playing from the same iTunes 
> a Match account as is the iPod. But nope!  
> The weird thing is  on his iPod the songs are shown in order; they just don’t 
> play in order.  In short, it’s a mystery. Any ideas of how to problem solve 
> this one? BTW, I know they are synchronized to the same account; I purchased 
> a couple of albums this week while we were not even in the same town and they 
> were immediately available to him.
>  
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Re: talking goggles

[Lauren Simmons]

Well, the explanation for your findings is that TapTapSee uses both an 
object database and human beings to convey results. Goggles appears to be 
using only a database of images.


LS

- Original Message - 
From: "Neal Ewers" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: talking goggles


Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with 
goggles

than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap
tap see will tell me things like the back of a person's head, a man 
wearing
a blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not 
for

me. If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say
controls on black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the
writing on the buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I 
hold

goggles close to a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have
mentioned, read the writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can
hold it in front of any picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am
not quite sure what this all means.



It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names 
of
buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects 
with
it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says 
nothing.
I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. 
Hmmm,

I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .



This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the 
other,
I'm simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with 
goggles

other than read text and buttons. So far, I don't have much luck.



Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people's testing.



Neal



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Maria & Joe Chapman
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles



HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.





Maria Chapman

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com



"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the 
strong." -

Mahatma Gandhi



On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:





Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see,
but not one with talking goggles. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I
have it set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try
with tap tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something
like no objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water
color picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different 
boxes

of crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work.
I'm in the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in
the room are on.  Don't know.



Neal





From:   viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@  googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brett
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: talking goggles



Hi,






This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you
having to take several pictures, if you need to check several objects.


Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone


On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan" <
 troysulliva...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found this app on the apple vis website. Here's a description:


Description of App


Talking Goggles can recognize images and speaks out what it finds.

* Recognizes almost any image within seconds. Logos, landmarks, books,
products, artwork, text and more..
* Shows the description of the image and speaks it out to you.
* Speaks it out using the correct accent of your selected language.
* Includes a torchlight to assist in reading.
* Video mode. Talking Goggles will continuously check the video stream
for any familiar images, and will present it and speak it out when it 
finds

something.
* Easy copy function. Use goggles as a scanner/translator and use the
results in any other application.
* Look up more details on the image found by doing a direct search.
Or, if it is a product, check where it is available nearby, and show a 
price

comparison.

Don't know the name of that actor on that poster? Just point your camera 
at

it and Talking Goggles will tell you!

Want to find out if that product is really the cheapest around? Take a
picture and let Talking Goggles do a comparison for you.

Point Talking Goggles at a logo, and you will be told the name of the
company after which you can do a search for it.

Talking Goggles is particularly good at recognizing book covers and 
posters.

Try it out!

Reviews are very positive so far:

'This amazing application costs just $0.99 and is a masterpiece and could 
be

a new trend.'

'You really need to try the app to see exactly how good it is.'

'This app worked well and quickly. I took a

Re: talking goggles

[Kirsten Edmondson]

I find that if you swipe across the screen and it hasn't found something it 
says something like no results or nothing to  display,
I wish there was a way of changing the voice, sometimes I miss what he says, 
it's so quick and I don't seem to get  to really get it happen again. This is 
vidio mode. I feel I found the camera mode pretty useless. I too like the idea 
of video mode like everyone else. I think lighting is very important and I will 
try using the light detector app two. This is probably the best app Of its type 
 I downloaded TTS as well this morning which I had not investigated before so I 
shall try them both out equally. I have found that scanning some  text is quite 
good but not all the time. I will definitely keep persisting with this.  The 
more acts like this we have the better!
A couple of questions: does it matter if you have the screen curtain on? I am 
presuming not as I have got pretty similar results, but I wanted to know 
peoples thoughts. Also, has anybody tried the different orientations such as 
landscape or portrait, does it make a difference which way you hold the phone? 
I have automatically been doing it in portrait, but a lot of the scanning apps 
for example are  landscape, is it therefore better if its  in landscape?


Kirsten 

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Apr 2013, at 22:51, "Blind Treasures "  wrote:

> Maybe I am missing something but is there anyway to review the results? I 
> don't hear anything on the screen that resembles what is said? Also I thought 
> I read that there is a way to use the results in an email or similar app. How 
> would you go about that? Thanks for any help.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neal Ewers
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: talking goggles
> 
> Hi, I find that I have to hold the phone much closer to objects with goggles 
> than with tap tap see. The other difference I am finding is that while tap 
> tap see will tell me things like the back of a person’s head, a man wearing a 
> blue shirt, goggles will not do this even in video mode, at least not for me. 
> If I point goggles at my electric stove controls, it does not say controls on 
> black stove as tap tap see does, it actually tries to read the writing on the 
> buttons. It says things like pre-heat, broil, etc. If I hold goggles close to 
> a page with writing, it actually tries to, as people have mentioned, read the 
> writing and does a rather nice job at it. But, I can hold it in front of any 
> picture in my house, and it says nothing. So, I am not quite sure what this 
> all means.
>  
> It would appear that goggles is much better at reading text and the names of 
> buttons than tap tap see, but have others been able to identify objects with 
> it. So far, I can not. I try to take a picture of my couch, it says nothing. 
> I try my face, I guess I scared it because it said something like w3q. Hmmm, 
> I wonder if that is written on my forehead? .
>  
> This is not an attempt to say if one of these apps is better than the other, 
> I’m simply trying to find out what people have been able to do with goggles 
> other than read text and buttons. So far, I don’t have much luck.
>  
> Thanks for pointing out this app and for all people’s testing.
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: talking goggles
>  
> HI.  try video mode some people are saying this works.
>  
>  
> Maria Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>  
> "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
> Mahatma Gandhi
>  
> On 06/04/2013, at 3:21 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, I have no luck with this app. I get lots of results with tap tap see, but 
> not one with talking goggles. I’m obviously doing something wrong. I have it 
> set to still camera, I hold it in front of the same objects I try with tap 
> tap see and take a picture. I get a message that says something like no 
> objects found. Tap tap see will give me amazing things like water color 
> picture of vases of flowers. It gave me the names of 4 different boxes of 
> crackers. Etc. So, the question is, why does talking goggles not work. I’m in 
> the same room. I have used flash on and flash off and the lights in the room 
> are on.  Don’t know.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brett
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 10:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: talking goggles
>  
> Hi, 
> 
> 
> 
> This app is berry good. I especially like the video mode, it saves you having 
> to take several pictures, if you need to check several  objects. 
> 
> Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
> 
> On 06/04/2013, at 11:43 AM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:
> 
> I found this app on the apple v

Re: blue tooth keyboard

[Esther]

Hi Ming, Marcy, and Others,

Yes, there is a way to close apps in the app switcher with your Apple
Wireless keyboard using VO-Shift-M (that's control-option-shift-M,
where the control and option keys are the middle two keys in the group
of 4 keys to the left of the space bar). This is the keyboard shortcut
for the double tap and hold passthrough gesture.  When you're focused
on the app that you want to delete in the app switcher, press Control-
Option-Shift-M. VoiceOver should say, "Editing apps" and repeat the
name of the app that has focus. Press Control-Option-Space to delete
the app. You should hear VoiceOver announce the name of the next app
in the app switcher window to receive focus. To leave the app
switcher, either press esacpe or VO-Left arrow to "Dismiss app
switcher" and VO-Space.

The VO-Shift-M keyboard shortcut works, but may be a bit fragile if
you try to navigate sequences too fast.  In the case of deleting apps,
or dragging and dropping apps, the screen is both updating and you are
moving focus.  Sometimes I do a VO-Space, particularly on the first
app, and hear the name of the app that I wanted to delete announced
again, instead of a different app. Just do another VO-Space to command
the delete. If you're worried about it, shift focus off and back again
(e.g., VO-Right and then VO-Left), and you'll hear the name of the app
announced, along with "double tap to delete".

If you want to clear out your app switcher window with the keyboard,
the following will work:
1. VO-H-H to the app switcher (hold down control and option keys, and
double tap the "h" key).  VoiceOver says "app switcher", announces the
app in the bottom left corner of the app switcher window, and says
"double tap to open"
2. VO-Shift-M. VoiceOver says, "editing apps", and repeats the name of
the first app
3. VO-Space. App gets deleted and VoiceOver announces the name of the
next app.
4. Repeat step 3 until no more apps remain in the app switcher window
5. Press escape to leave the app switcher and return to the home
screen.

I've also used VO-Shift-M to drag and drop apps on my home screen into
folders.  You can read the two replies I posted on the AppleVis forum
thread, "moving apps with bluetooth keyboard" for details:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/moving-apps-bluetooth-keyboard
I'll also give a shortened version of that link in case it wraps:
http://bit.ly/10FizsU

Another tip: if you use VO-Shift-M, and you either type the wrong key
sequence after, or if it doesn't seem to be working, toggle VoiceOver
off and back on again to reset its behavior.

I'll just repeat the answers you got from Marcy and Brett to your
other questions. VO meaans the control and option keys, pressed with
any other keys in the shortcut combination.
1. to go to the status bar  VO-M
2. to go to the notification center  VO-M to status bar. Then, with
quick nav turned on, press option-up arrow.  Press escape to leave
notifications.
3. to get to keyboard help.  VO-K.  Exit keyboard help by pressing
escape. You can also get to keyboard help by navigating to the
VoiceOver practice screen in Settings, which will put your paired
keyboard in keyboard help mode until you leave the practice screen.
This is useful on minikeyboards that may not have both control and
option keys, or where you can't figure where these keys are.  If
you've paired a keyboard, you can navigate to Settings > General >
Accessibility > VoiceOver > VoiceOver Practice via touch screen
gestures, then flick right past the "done" button into the active area
of the practice screen.  Exit by double tapping the "done" button in
the top right corner of the screen (either navigating with the touch
screnn or your keyboard.)

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Apr 6, 8:24 am, Marcy Weinberg  wrote:
> No, it does not.
>
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> On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Ming  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks.
> > Does it have the way to close the apps in apps switcher using the keyboard?
>
> > Ming
> > Skype: chungchiming9950
>
> > Marcy Weinberg  於 2013年4月7日 上午1:37 寫道：
>
> >> 1. To go to the status bar, press control-option-m.  Press escape to leave 
> >> and return to the home screen or the screen you were in.
>
> >> 2. There is no keystroke to get to the notification center.
>
> >> 3. Keyboard help is command-k.  Press escape to get out of help.
>
> >> --
> >> Marcy weinberg
> >> Junior Partner
> >> Fedora Outlier, LLC
> >> Top down, BETTER THAN EXCELLENT (tm) consulting, teaching and support
> >>http://www.fedoraoutlier.com
> >> 888-958-6979 ext.3801
> >> ma...@fedoraoutlier.com
>
> >> On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Ming  wrote:
>
> >>> hi all,
> >>> I  recently got a blue tooth keyboardfor my IPhone.
> >>> and it is an apple's one.
> >>> I ahve a few question wanna ask.
> >>> 1.  how can I  go to t

How is HuluPlus service an dapp accessibility?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I've looked on AppleVis, but last comment was over a year ago. At that time it 
sounds like the app and service had improved but still had some accessibility 
issues. Wondering if any current users have opinions.

Thanks in advance. Keith

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Jumping in with using a Mac

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hello. I hope this day finds you well. Starting on Monday, April 8 I will join 
the MacWorld. I figure I have been an iOS user for about three years so now it 
is time to start using a Mac. My first machine is a MacBook Pro 13 inch with 
250 gig hard drive. I believe it is a mid or late 2010 model. I cannot remember 
exactly what it is, however it does run Mountain lion and it will give me a 
chance to get my feet wet without spending two or $3000 upfront. It looks like 
I have some guides to read, however I do not suspect it will be all that 
difficult. I like learning new things and like the challenge of new operating 
systems. I know DOS, Linux, and windows very well. So I suspect learning the 
Mac operating system will not be too terrible. I already know about some of the 
things to watch out for. For example I should not think of Mac OS like windows. 
Instead I will think of Mac OS like Mac OS. I believe that thinking of an 
operating system in terms of its own ways and itself will be the best way. This 
message has nothing useful really in it other than me bragging.

Take care all.

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Re: Jumping in with using a Mac

[erik burggraaf]

I've always thought that was a bit of a dumb adage about not thinking of mac os 
and expecting it to be like windows.  I mean, if you can't use a computer 
unless insert T reads the title bar and control option f1 just won't do, you're 
head's probably not in the right place for learning a new operating 
system/screen reader.  If you are OK with insert T, control shift T, control 
option f1, or whatever it is in orka, because you know you want to read the 
title bar and that's the key that reads the title bar in the environment you're 
using, you'll be fine.

If you understand what cut, copy, paste and undo are, then I don't see the 
problem with thinking of them the same way in windows as in dos or linux or mac 
OS.  So it's command z, x, c, and V, not control all of the above and if you're 
comfortable with the semantics, then I don't see why you shouldn't carry the 
concept across.

I take different approaches depending on my audience.  Some people need to be 
kicked ruthlessly in the pants to break them out of the habit of pressing 
insert T for the title bar and wining when they don't have an insert key.  
other people can't use any synth other than elloquence and won't touch a new 
platform unless they can have it speaking to them with reid at 166 wpm.  Insert 
epithet here.

I honestly think you're probably flexible enough raul, that you don't need to 
throw out the knowledge and experience of 20 plus years or whatever it is just 
so you don't try to treat mac os like windows.

Enjoy your new mac.  I think you'll be very happy.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2013-04-06, at 7:13 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos"  wrote:

> Hello. I hope this day finds you well. Starting on Monday, April 8 I will 
> join the MacWorld. I figure I have been an iOS user for about three years so 
> now it is time to start using a Mac. My first machine is a MacBook Pro 13 
> inch with 250 gig hard drive. I believe it is a mid or late 2010 model. I 
> cannot remember exactly what it is, however it does run Mountain lion and it 
> will give me a chance to get my feet wet without spending two or $3000 
> upfront. It looks like I have some guides to read, however I do not suspect 
> it will be all that difficult. I like learning new things and like the 
> challenge of new operating systems. I know DOS, Linux, and windows very well. 
> So I suspect learning the Mac operating system will not be too terrible. I 
> already know about some of the things to watch out for. For example I should 
> not think of Mac OS like windows. Instead I will think of Mac OS like Mac OS. 
> I believe that thinking of an operating system in terms of its own ways and 
> itself will be the best way. This message has nothing useful really in it 
> other than me bragging.
> 
> Take care all.
> 
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> complete errors.
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Re: blue tooth keyboard

[Ming]

Thanks. 

Ming
Skype: chungchiming9950


Esther  於 2013年4月7日 上午7:06 寫道：

> Hi Ming, Marcy, and Others,
> 
> Yes, there is a way to close apps in the app switcher with your Apple
> Wireless keyboard using VO-Shift-M (that's control-option-shift-M,
> where the control and option keys are the middle two keys in the group
> of 4 keys to the left of the space bar). This is the keyboard shortcut
> for the double tap and hold passthrough gesture.  When you're focused
> on the app that you want to delete in the app switcher, press Control-
> Option-Shift-M. VoiceOver should say, "Editing apps" and repeat the
> name of the app that has focus. Press Control-Option-Space to delete
> the app. You should hear VoiceOver announce the name of the next app
> in the app switcher window to receive focus. To leave the app
> switcher, either press esacpe or VO-Left arrow to "Dismiss app
> switcher" and VO-Space.
> 
> The VO-Shift-M keyboard shortcut works, but may be a bit fragile if
> you try to navigate sequences too fast.  In the case of deleting apps,
> or dragging and dropping apps, the screen is both updating and you are
> moving focus.  Sometimes I do a VO-Space, particularly on the first
> app, and hear the name of the app that I wanted to delete announced
> again, instead of a different app. Just do another VO-Space to command
> the delete. If you're worried about it, shift focus off and back again
> (e.g., VO-Right and then VO-Left), and you'll hear the name of the app
> announced, along with "double tap to delete".
> 
> If you want to clear out your app switcher window with the keyboard,
> the following will work:
> 1. VO-H-H to the app switcher (hold down control and option keys, and
> double tap the "h" key).  VoiceOver says "app switcher", announces the
> app in the bottom left corner of the app switcher window, and says
> "double tap to open"
> 2. VO-Shift-M. VoiceOver says, "editing apps", and repeats the name of
> the first app
> 3. VO-Space. App gets deleted and VoiceOver announces the name of the
> next app.
> 4. Repeat step 3 until no more apps remain in the app switcher window
> 5. Press escape to leave the app switcher and return to the home
> screen.
> 
> I've also used VO-Shift-M to drag and drop apps on my home screen into
> folders.  You can read the two replies I posted on the AppleVis forum
> thread, "moving apps with bluetooth keyboard" for details:
> http://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/moving-apps-bluetooth-keyboard
> I'll also give a shortened version of that link in case it wraps:
> http://bit.ly/10FizsU
> 
> Another tip: if you use VO-Shift-M, and you either type the wrong key
> sequence after, or if it doesn't seem to be working, toggle VoiceOver
> off and back on again to reset its behavior.
> 
> I'll just repeat the answers you got from Marcy and Brett to your
> other questions. VO meaans the control and option keys, pressed with
> any other keys in the shortcut combination.
> 1. to go to the status bar  VO-M
> 2. to go to the notification center  VO-M to status bar. Then, with
> quick nav turned on, press option-up arrow.  Press escape to leave
> notifications.
> 3. to get to keyboard help.  VO-K.  Exit keyboard help by pressing
> escape. You can also get to keyboard help by navigating to the
> VoiceOver practice screen in Settings, which will put your paired
> keyboard in keyboard help mode until you leave the practice screen.
> This is useful on minikeyboards that may not have both control and
> option keys, or where you can't figure where these keys are.  If
> you've paired a keyboard, you can navigate to Settings > General >
> Accessibility > VoiceOver > VoiceOver Practice via touch screen
> gestures, then flick right past the "done" button into the active area
> of the practice screen.  Exit by double tapping the "done" button in
> the top right corner of the screen (either navigating with the touch
> screnn or your keyboard.)
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 8:24 am, Marcy Weinberg  wrote:
>> No, it does not.
>> 
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>> Fedora Outlier, LLC
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>> supporthttp://www.fedoraoutlier.com
>> 888-958-6979 ext.3801
>> ma...@fedoraoutlier.com
>> 
>> On Apr 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Ming  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Does it have the way to close the apps in apps switcher using the keyboard?
>> 
>>> Ming
>>> Skype: chungchiming9950
>> 
>>> Marcy Weinberg  於 2013年4月7日 上午1:37 寫道：
>> 
 1. To go to the status bar, press control-option-m.  Press escape to leave 
 and return to the home screen or the screen you were in.
>> 
 2. There is no keystroke to get to the notification center.
>> 
 3. Keyboard help is command-k.  Press escape to get out of help.
>> 
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Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work

[Eileens Misrahi]

Hello,

Okay!!! I am requesting for someone to post step-by-step directions to get 
Talking Goggles to work. Until I get some basic and simple instructions, I 
believe I have wasted a buck. All suggestions are welcome.  

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:36 PM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:

> This is why I previously appologized to Anne off list not wanting to clutter 
> the list. But I clutter it now because I think your point about the 
> definition of high jacked threads is a valid one from which we can all learn.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> I don't consider this an example of a hijacked thread. It was an example of 
> getting it to work, sort of. I'd save this criticism for more drastic 
> examples of hijacking or leave it to the moderators.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:
> 
> Hi, the subject of this message is cannot get talking goggles to work. Please 
> do not hijack this subject with the fact that it will take a picture of your 
> dog.
>  
> Neal
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Anne Robertson
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> It identified my labrador/golden retriever as an alp! However, it did a great 
> job on rillettes d'oie, bordeaux wine, various books and the picture on a 
> place mat. I'm seriously impressed!
>  
> Anne
>  
> On 6 Apr 2013, at 17:58, Neal Ewers  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I just pointed it to my tv moniter and it said 5 ww. I pointed it at a 
> picture, and it said the word No. I think the female speaker in my version of 
> the app has lost her mind. .
>  
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Neal Ewers
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> That doesn’t work for me either. I don’t get any description of any of the 
> photos. I must be missing something here.
>  
> Neal
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria & Joe Chapman
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Cannot get talking goggles to work
>  
> HI.  it also says you can get a description of the immages in your camera 
> role/  has anyone tried this?
>  
>  
> Maria Chapman
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>  
> "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
> Mahatma Gandhi
>  
> On 07/04/2013, at 2:44 AM, "Neal Ewers"  wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi, For some reason, Tap Tap See works just fine, but I can’t get a thing out 
> of talking goggles. It has permission to access my gallery. I set it to video 
> camera and press record. Nothing happens. I have tried taking a photo. The 
> camera clicks and nothing happens.  Occasionally it will say something like 
> area, or array, but nothing helpful.
>  
> Anyone have any clues?
>  
> Neal
>  
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Re: Help!! Talking Goggles App Instructions

[Eileens Misrahi]

Hi Seigar,

Thanks for getting back to me. I will search the archives when I turn on my 
computer upstairs. I am glad you confirmed that there isn't a settings button. 
I wanted to kake sure that I wasn't missing a step.

Thanks again.

Best,
Eileen
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Hi Eileen,
> 
> Just look in the archives for "Talking goggles" as I posted a fairly
> detailed review about the app. There is, by the way, no setting button. You
> just use it. Videos don't go anywhere, they just recognize on the fly so to
> speak. If you use still pictures to recognize stuff those are saved in your
> camera roll which I personally don't care about, but that's the way it is.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Eileens Misrahi
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 7:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Help!! Talking Goggles App Instructions
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I decided to install Talking Goggles. I haven't found any button for
> settings or for a tutorial. Can someone describe how this app is suppose to
> work? I have tapped on the video button and I think it's recording. Where
> does the recordings go to? I don't know if I am,using it correctly. Any
> instructions on this app is much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> 
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Is there a way to increase volume on voiceMail messages?

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

Using iPhone 5 wit Verizon.

VoiceMail messages are extremely quiet, even test messages from me from a 
landline to my iPhone, trying to speak a clear but non-shouting voice.

I can't find any clear indication within the phone app or within Settings Sound 
that will fix this. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. I'll appreciate any 
help.

Thanks in advance. Keith

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RE: Changing the Rotor

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

When I activate  the roter I put two fingers of my right hand on the screen
spread just a little apart and turn the phone with my left hand.  Weird, I
know, but it seems to work for me. 
God bless!
Paula and Babe
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Changing the Rotor

Hi Tom,

I changed the subject line to better reflect this topic.  The method you
outlined is exactly the way I handle changing the rotor.  I originally tried
using one hand and 2 fingers, and I had some success, but holding the phone
to my chest and using both hands works almost flawlessly.  I'd say my
ability to change the rotor on each turn with 2 hands is over 90%, far
better than I ever could accomplish using one hand.

Les
On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:

> Hi,
> Another rotor technique that I pass along to my students involves using
two hands as well. It goes like this:
> 1. Place the phone on a flat, stable surface like a desktop or table.  If
that's not handy, I'll hold the phone against my chest.
> 2. Place the index fingers of each hand caddy-corner to each other, for
example, left index at the lower left-hand corner of the screen and the
right index at the upper right-hand corner of the screen.
> 3. Move the left index finger straight up while simultaneously moving the
right index finger straight down, or vice versa, depending on which way the
rotor is to be turned.
> 
> I prefer this technique to the knob-turning action that is usually
recommended even though I can use that technique satisfactorily.  The
technique that I described above works great for me, and when I find the
rotor setting that I want to use, I can then flick up or down with my right
index finger.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Tom
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jon Pierson" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: one thing I wish apple would change
> 
> 
>> Hi Troy,
>> Try using two hands to turn the rotor, kind of like swiping a finger 
>> on the left hand across the screen from right to left while doing the 
>> opposite with the right hand at the same moment.
>> I was teaching someone who was having a terrible time with gestures 
>> and that did the trick.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Troy Sullivan
>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:56 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: one thing I wish apple would change
>> 
>> Good morning all,
>> This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't 
>> know about it. but I have something that I think apple needs to 
>> change or needs to make better. Because of the strong medication I 
>> take it kind of messes with my hand cordination, my hands are not 
>> always stable so like when I do the doubletap and hold to delete 
>> something sometimes I have to do it several times before I get it. 
>> This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands just weren't having 
>> it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter setting. I 
>> know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand cordination 
>> issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the 
>> jestures easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact
apple's accessibility dept about this please let me know.
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Jumping in with using a Mac

[Lauren Simmons]

I agree with Eric. The key in learning very different things is in 
understanding concepts. One can take the concept of time and learn for 
example stop watches, calendars, time zones, etc. To some extent The concept 
of an operating system is to use it as a springboard to accomplishing 
various tasks. For example, once you understand the concept of cut, copy, 
paste, and or editing in a word processor, it doesn't matter whether one is 
using MS word or WordPad. Again, there are many ways to get from Washington 
to Florida including biking, bus, train, car, plane, etc. One need only 
understand and work with what they have to accomplish their goal. Then 
again, the person who insists on walking because its easy and free will have 
lots of unnecessary difficulties IE: some solutions are better than others. 
I will also add that for many of us, as blind individuals we've had to think 
out of the box for many years, so developing techniques for accomplishing 
tasks will not be all that much of a stretch. In other words, to some 
extent, many of us who have applied him or herself are probably much more 
creative than the average sighted person--in my opinion of course.


LS

 Original Message - 
From: "erik burggraaf" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Jumping in with using a Mac


I've always thought that was a bit of a dumb adage about not thinking of mac 
os and expecting it to be like windows.  I mean, if you can't use a computer 
unless insert T reads the title bar and control option f1 just won't do, 
you're head's probably not in the right place for learning a new operating 
system/screen reader.  If you are OK with insert T, control shift T, control 
option f1, or whatever it is in orka, because you know you want to read the 
title bar and that's the key that reads the title bar in the environment 
you're using, you'll be fine.


If you understand what cut, copy, paste and undo are, then I don't see the 
problem with thinking of them the same way in windows as in dos or linux or 
mac OS.  So it's command z, x, c, and V, not control all of the above and if 
you're comfortable with the semantics, then I don't see why you shouldn't 
carry the concept across.


I take different approaches depending on my audience.  Some people need to 
be kicked ruthlessly in the pants to break them out of the habit of pressing 
insert T for the title bar and wining when they don't have an insert key. 
other people can't use any synth other than elloquence and won't touch a new 
platform unless they can have it speaking to them with reid at 166 wpm. 
Insert epithet here.


I honestly think you're probably flexible enough raul, that you don't need 
to throw out the knowledge and experience of 20 plus years or whatever it is 
just so you don't try to treat mac os like windows.


Enjoy your new mac.  I think you'll be very happy.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Follow my series of articles about setting up a small business through the 
ontario disability support program at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/blog

Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-04-06, at 7:13 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos"  wrote:

Hello. I hope this day finds you well. Starting on Monday, April 8 I will 
join the MacWorld. I figure I have been an iOS user for about three years 
so now it is time to start using a Mac. My first machine is a MacBook Pro 
13 inch with 250 gig hard drive. I believe it is a mid or late 2010 model. 
I cannot remember exactly what it is, however it does run Mountain lion 
and it will give me a chance to get my feet wet without spending two or 
$3000 upfront. It looks like I have some guides to read, however I do not 
suspect it will be all that difficult. I like learning new things and like 
the challenge of new operating systems. I know DOS, Linux, and windows 
very well. So I suspect learning the Mac operating system will not be too 
terrible. I already know about some of the things to watch out for. For 
example I should not think of Mac OS like windows. Instead I will think of 
Mac OS like Mac OS. I believe that thinking of an operating system in 
terms of its own ways and itself will be the best way. This message has 
nothing useful really in it other than me bragging.


Take care all.

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Re: Changing the Rotor

[Lauren Simmons]

Yes, I also do this. It feels very much like picking up and turning the dial 
on a timer or adjusting the knobs on a stove.


LS

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul and Paula Jordan" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Changing the Rotor


When I activate  the roter I put two fingers of my right hand on the 
screen

spread just a little apart and turn the phone with my left hand.  Weird, I
know, but it seems to work for me.
God bless!
Paula and Babe
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 11:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Changing the Rotor

Hi Tom,

I changed the subject line to better reflect this topic.  The method you
outlined is exactly the way I handle changing the rotor.  I originally 
tried
using one hand and 2 fingers, and I had some success, but holding the 
phone

to my chest and using both hands works almost flawlessly.  I'd say my
ability to change the rotor on each turn with 2 hands is over 90%, far
better than I ever could accomplish using one hand.

Les
On Apr 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Tom Lange  wrote:


Hi,
Another rotor technique that I pass along to my students involves using

two hands as well. It goes like this:

1. Place the phone on a flat, stable surface like a desktop or table.  If

that's not handy, I'll hold the phone against my chest.

2. Place the index fingers of each hand caddy-corner to each other, for

example, left index at the lower left-hand corner of the screen and the
right index at the upper right-hand corner of the screen.

3. Move the left index finger straight up while simultaneously moving the
right index finger straight down, or vice versa, depending on which way 
the

rotor is to be turned.


I prefer this technique to the knob-turning action that is usually

recommended even though I can use that technique satisfactorily.  The
technique that I described above works great for me, and when I find the
rotor setting that I want to use, I can then flick up or down with my 
right

index finger.


Hope this helps.
Tom

- Original Message - From: "Jon Pierson"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 7:50 AM
Subject: RE: one thing I wish apple would change



Hi Troy,
Try using two hands to turn the rotor, kind of like swiping a finger
on the left hand across the screen from right to left while doing the
opposite with the right hand at the same moment.
I was teaching someone who was having a terrible time with gestures
and that did the trick.

Jon


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Troy Sullivan
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: one thing I wish apple would change

Good morning all,
This is a  suggestion and maybe there is a fix to this and I don't
know about it. but I have something that I think apple needs to
change or needs to make better. Because of the strong medication I
take it kind of messes with my hand cordination, my hands are not
always stable so like when I do the doubletap and hold to delete
something sometimes I have to do it several times before I get it.
This morning I tried to do the roter and my hands just weren't having
it today so I had to use the keybord to change my roter setting. I
know I'm probably not the only one out there with hand cordination
issues, but is there a setting or something I can do to make the
jestures easier for me to do? Also if someone has a way I can contact

apple's accessibility dept about this please let me know.

Thanks.

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Re: Amazon Basic BT Keyboard Help....

[Esther]

Hi Nimit,

You asked about the use of the "Fn" key in the bottom left corner of
the Amazon Basics Bluetooth Keyboard.  The "Fn" key is not used for
anything under iOS.  The keyboard layout of the Apple Wireless
Keyboard and the Amazon Basics BT Keyboard is the same as on a Mac
laptop.  On a Mac, the Fn key is used in combination with other keys
to duplicate the functions of keys that are present on the extended
keyboard for desktop computers, but that are not present on the laptop
keyboard.  Some examples are:

Fn+Left Arrow   "Home"
Fn+Right Arrow  "End"
Fn+Up Arrow "Page Up"
Fn+Down Arrow   "Page Down"
Fn+Delete   "Forward Delete" (character)
Fn+Option+Delete   "Forward Delete" (word)
Fn+Return   "Enter"

On older Mac laptops, the Fn key pressed together with keys on the
right side of the keyboard was an alternate way to access the embedded
numeric keypad in place of toggling on the NumLock key in the top row
of function keys.

On current laptop and extended Mac keyboards, the Fn key used in Mac
OS X switches the keypress action of the top row of function keys
between hardware and software functions.  Media player controls for
play/pause, forward, reverse, and sound volume adjustment are examples
of hardware functions shared between the Mac OS X and iOS. Other
hardware function keys control screen brightness.  Software functions
of the top row of function keys for VoiceOver users include things
like routing cursors, control of cursor tracking, selecting windows,
etc.

If the "Fn" key were enabled under iOS, an obvious use would be to
delete characters or words aftern the insertion point in editing. But
under iOS, instead of Fn+delete, I press Shift+Right Arrow, and then
press the "delete" key.  And instead of Fn+Option+delete, I press Shift
+Option+Right Arrow, and then press the "delete" key.

The iPad Keyboard Dock for the first generation iPad has a bottom row
of keys that is identical to the bottom row of the Apple Wireless
Keyboard except for the fact that it lacks an "Fn" key.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


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Re: Jumping in with using a Mac

[Craig Werner]

Raul, enjoy your new computer adventure.

Your post brings up a large question:  If one were to decide to start
using a Mac, how would one go about learning it?  In the case of the
iPhone, it seems to me the process is easy: get an iPhone, read the
VoiceOver documentation on the Apple site, read Anna Dresner's book,
talk to fellow users, and start tapping.  How would one approach the
Mac?  What kinds of documentation are useful, and where does one find
this documentation?  Which Mac does one start with?

Craig

On 4/6/13, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
> Hello. I hope this day finds you well. Starting on Monday, April 8 I will
> join the MacWorld. I figure I have been an iOS user for about three years so
> now it is time to start using a Mac. My first machine is a MacBook Pro 13
> inch with 250 gig hard drive. I believe it is a mid or late 2010 model. I
> cannot remember exactly what it is, however it does run Mountain lion and it
> will give me a chance to get my feet wet without spending two or $3000
> upfront. It looks like I have some guides to read, however I do not suspect
> it will be all that difficult. I like learning new things and like the
> challenge of new operating systems. I know DOS, Linux, and windows very
> well. So I suspect learning the Mac operating system will not be too
> terrible. I already know about some of the things to watch out for. For
> example I should not think of Mac OS like windows. Instead I will think of
> Mac OS like Mac OS. I believe that thinking of an operating system in terms
> of its own ways and itself will be the best way. This message has nothing
> useful really in it other than me bragging.
>
> Take care all.
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Re: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone

[Marcy Weinberg]

The book is a 12-step guide to using your iPhone.  It is written from the 
standpoint of one of our team members, Brie rumory, who was scared to death of 
the iPhone her husband got her for Christmas over a year ago, to finally 
deciding it was time to learn to use it.  The book goes through all of the 
settings as well as the default apps that come on the phone, as well as 
accessibility, text input and management, Siri, the itunes and App stores, and 
whatever else you'll need to know to be up and running with your iPhone.  It is 
a great resource also even if you've been using your phone for awhile, as a 
reference for those things you may have done but have forgotten how to do.

It is written with some humor while providing so much information.  It is 
comprehensive yet not boring at any moment.  I believe it is a must have in the 
library of anyone who has, is considering getting, or works with anyone who has 
an iPhone.

-- 
Marcy weinberg
Junior Partner
Fedora Outlier, LLC
Top down, BETTER THAN EXCELLENT ™ consulting, teaching and support
http://www.fedoraoutlier.com
888-958-6979 ext.3801
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On Apr 6, 2013, at 2:31 PM, "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>  
> Thanks. I looked at the website, but couldn’t find details such as Table of 
> Contents, etc. Sorry if I missed them.
>  
> How much is there in this book about using iTunes on the PC or Mac side, for 
> backing up, synching, managing media, etc?
>  
> Thanks. Keith
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marcy Weinberg
> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 1:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: 
> Subject: OldHat iPhone Guide, was RE: new to iphone
>  
> http://oldhatguide.com/preordernow
> 
> The Old Hat Guide To iPhone Accessibility Was written by the blind, for the 
> blind. It is available now for preorder, and will be in the iBookstore 
> beginning April 15. All the information about it, as well as the opportunity 
> to preorder, are available at the above link.
>  
> -- 
> Marcy weinberg
> Junior Partner
> Fedora Outlier, LLC
> Top down, BETTER THAN EXCELLENT ™ consulting, teaching and support
> http://www.fedoraoutlier.com
> 888-958-6979 ext.3801
> ma...@fedoraoutlier.com
>  
> 
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:55 PM, "Troy Sullivan"  wrote:
> 
>> A good sight is http://www.applevis.com
>> Also I forget the website but there's a book out there for IPhone users for 
>> the blind you can get via download or braille.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: rami
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:28 AM
>> Subject: new to iphone
>>  
>> Hello
>> I just got an IPhone yesterday. Can someone refer me to some good podcasts 
>> or tutorials to help me getting started?
>> thanks in advance.
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