RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Shai,

The only way to prevent a number from calling you altogether is to get your 
carrier to block the number. This is not something that can be done by your 
phone's hardware.

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Shai
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Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hello Jonathan,
Nice blog post. I agree with you particularly on the Siri and braille 
improvements. Another option I would like to see under the do not disturb is 
the ability to block unknown numbers. Although one can presently block a number 
with caller ID, it seems that a person can still call with an unknown number 
even the number that was blocked.
Sure that some carriers may offer an anonymous call rejection feature that can 
be enabled,  but it would be nice if it were built in to the software some way.
A second item I would like to see is VoiceOver announce the presence of 
formatting such as italics when navigating word by word in an application using 
a Bluetooth keyboard. For me this announcement has occurred at random.
A third option I would like to see built into the next version of Ios is a 
toggle that pressing enter on a keyboard or braille device does not cause a 
text message to be sent automatically. Instead it should be a line break. To 
send the message, one can press enter twice quickly.
These are just some of the updates I thought of that I would like to see as a 
welcome addition to the next update.



On 6/2/16, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's 
> WWDC conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS.
> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to 
> the blog post.
> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Shai]

Hello Jonathan,
Nice blog post. I agree with you particularly on the Siri and braille
improvements. Another option I would like to see under the do not
disturb is the ability to block unknown numbers. Although one can
presently block a number with caller ID, it seems that a person can
still call with an unknown number even the number that was blocked.
Sure that some carriers may offer an anonymous call rejection feature
that can be enabled,  but it would be nice if it were built in to the
software some way.
A second item I would like to see is VoiceOver announce the presence
of formatting such as italics when navigating word by word in an
application using a Bluetooth keyboard. For me this announcement has
occurred at random.
A third option I would like to see built into the next version of Ios
is a toggle that pressing enter on a keyboard or braille device does
not cause a text message to be sent automatically. Instead it should
be a line break. To send the message, one can press enter twice
quickly.
These are just some of the updates I thought of that I would like to
see as a welcome addition to the next update.



On 6/2/16, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC
> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS.
> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the
> blog post.
> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would agree with that, but as far as you should wait to update until 2017 
depends entirely on how well your iPhone 5S works, how long the battery lasts 
after several years of usage and also for me it would depend on what Apple is 
coming up with this fall. Tim Cook apparently said that this fall there will be 
features or hardware we won't want to live without so who knows. My guess is 
that it will be more hardware related since most features will be software 
related and we'll hear about those tomorrow in a week when iOS 10 is 
introduced. Of course there maybe things that depend on the new hardware which 
they won't reveal on June 13. So, Harry, just wait and see what this year's 
iPhone will offer and then decide.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:33 PM
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I'd think it would happen on most iPhones, since I think all Siri really needs 
is a microphone. The processing all happens at the server side.

On 05/06/16 12:52, Harry Bell wrote:
> I agree that Siri is the big improvement to come: If Siri is to be 
> radically improved in 2017, will that only happen on the very latest 
> iPhone (is Siri improvement hardware dependent?) or would a variety of 
> fairly recent iPhone models be able to use it (is Siri mostly software 
> dependent?)? I ask because I'm wondering whether to upgrade from my 
> iPhone 5s this year or wait till September 2017. Thanks. Harry
>
>> On 3 Jun 2016, at 02:46, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I think as the singlemost important feature I agree that major SIRI 
>> improvements would be at the top of the list for me.
>> I am carefully optimistic that we will see that if not this year then next 
>> year as it is the 10th anniversary of the iPhone and Apple may really try to 
>> get back the "Wow factor".
>> I also hope that the article I found on AppleInsider.com will come true and 
>> this Vocal IQ technology will put SIRI at the top of the pack:
>>
>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/30/apples-vocaliq-takeover-cou
>> ld-hint-at-siri-upgrades-for-wwdc-and-beyond
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 6:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>>
>> Good list of ideas. I think the ones I would like to see the most are file 
>> management and the ability to install system wide voices. In IOS 7, Apple 
>> did allow developers to use the voices that are built in, now they need to 
>> allow you to install other voices and have them available for everything 
>> including voice over. Both platforms have a lot to offer, but when it comes 
>> to flexibility and the ability to customize things, Android is still pretty 
>> far ahead.
>>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
>>> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
>>> blog post.
>>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org
>>>
>>>
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sorry Fazil, so would I, but it won’t happen.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Fazil
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

I would like to see Eloquence as one of the voice options.
Thanks!

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi Sean,

I don’t totally know how this works, but I don’t think what you say is correct. 
Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US English voice 
and I don’t think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it were then a user 
dictionary wouldn’t even be possible.

Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice? 
*smile*
Sorry for the joke, I know people don’t necessarily know what 30 Caliber is and 
that it has no connection to shotguns which have a “Gauge” designation, but I 
like to joke around.
When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a 
reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or 
specific ammunition.
The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel’s diameter which is 308 of one thousands 
inch or 7.62mm in metric.
The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06 
Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as 7.62x51 
Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list for that 
*smile*.


Regards,
Sieghard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal. 
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe that 
it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't do that 
kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the week, but 
that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance 
because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would 
want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think it would be 
cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.

Shawn
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On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The US Enhanced

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of rajmund
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hello,
I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik 
<wfgal...@icloud.com<mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
I hope this is not terribly “off topic,” but Sieghart - you have caused a major 
internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!

I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!

Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Devin Prater]

JIT is the “just in time” compiler. Basically, it makes app that require a lot 
of compiling of non-native code, to run a lot faster. This allows some games 
that open other code not shipped with the app to run faster, like emulators for 
game systems.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com



> On Jun 3, 2016, at 9:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Devin,
>  
> What is “JIT”
>  
> If it is possible to keep the iPhone as secure as it is and give access to 
> the file system or at least maybe limited access for adding music and so on I 
> am all for it.
>  
> As far as other app stores I don’t think we’ll ever see that.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Devin Prater
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Okay, here I go.
> I'd like there to be an "expert" mode, where 
> • JIT is usable in all apps
> • Apps can be sideloaded and other app stores, like cydia, can be installed
> • filesystem is exposed to the user within an app
> • There are more keyboard commands, and all of iOS can be controlled with the 
> keyboard regardless of the activity of voiceover.
> 2. A speech API which apps can use to make their voices available systemwide, 
> including for Siri. Having Alex as a Siri voice should help as well. This 
> will also force the speech developers at Apple to focus on Alex more.
> 3. Allowing formatting, like italics, headings, links, buttons, ect to be 
> showing in braille, using braille symbols, similar to how the braille note 
> handled links, by surrounding them in formatting.
> 4. Allow apps to be moved by tapping on them, then tapping where one wants to 
> move the app.
> 5. Allow spell checking similar to text sellection, swipe left and right to 
> choose a word, up and down to choose correction.
> 6. Within a book, or large chunk of text, mark braille position, so that when 
> a notification comes in, then disappears, braille moves back to that marked 
> position in the text. If you want me to buy iBooks material, you want to fix 
> this. You want it badly, Apple. Aye, so ye do.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the 
> status bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going 
> into settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.
>  
> 2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i 
> can move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the 
> fear, of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep 
> my messaging inbox clear.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
> dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless 
> I go back and spell the word.
> Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
> like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets 
> I have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
> I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain 
> weight, but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the 
> washroom.
>  
> Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
> it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in 
> Somalia and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is 
> so dum.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
> synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
> still makes me laugh.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>
>  
> On 3/06/2

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd think it would happen on most iPhones, since I think all Siri really 
needs is a microphone. The processing all happens at the server side.


On 05/06/16 12:52, Harry Bell wrote:

I agree that Siri is the big improvement to come: If Siri is to be radically 
improved in 2017, will that only happen on the very latest iPhone (is Siri 
improvement hardware dependent?) or would a variety of fairly recent iPhone 
models be able to use it (is Siri mostly software dependent?)? I ask because 
I'm wondering whether to upgrade from my iPhone 5s this year or wait till 
September 2017. Thanks. Harry


On 3 Jun 2016, at 02:46, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

I think as the singlemost important feature I agree that major SIRI 
improvements would be at the top of the list for me.
I am carefully optimistic that we will see that if not this year then next year as it is 
the 10th anniversary of the iPhone and Apple may really try to get back the "Wow 
factor".
I also hope that the article I found on AppleInsider.com will come true and 
this Vocal IQ technology will put SIRI at the top of the pack:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/30/apples-vocaliq-takeover-could-hint-at-siri-upgrades-for-wwdc-and-beyond


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 6:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Good list of ideas. I think the ones I would like to see the most are file 
management and the ability to install system wide voices. In IOS 7, Apple did 
allow developers to use the voices that are built in, now they need to allow 
you to install other voices and have them available for everything including 
voice over. Both platforms have a lot to offer, but when it comes to 
flexibility and the ability to customize things, Android is still pretty far 
ahead.

On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org


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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Sandy,

Thanks for this.  I had never noticed it before.  I need to play with this some 
more, but it does appear that it might do what I was looking for.   It does 
announce the first occurrence of the word as you type it, however, I am having 
trouble figuring out how to locate what it found on the screen.  It does have a 
find next and previous, which is what I wanted.

I will need to do a little more experimenting.

Also, the items under "Share" do say they are draggable if you double tap and 
hold, so I am assuming they can be reordered in the list, but if I double tap 
and hold, nothing seems to happen.  Does this work for anyone else?

Thanks again.


From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 4:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Pam,

I just noticed this yesterday! When in a webpage, tap on the "share" tab at 
the bottom of any page in Safari, you will get the usual list of apps which 
could accept the webpage linked address, plus bookmarks etc. There is also a 
search/find option. I didn't try it, as I was doing something else, but maybe 
you could?

Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 21:10, SSEric <sseri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Excuse me if this isn't what yu wanted, but how about the item chooser
> function. Triple 2-finger tap and use the search box to find something on
> the page. I do this every week in the NFB Newsline app to search my paper
> for my ZIP code to check what houses sold around me. I just checked it in a
> mail message and it worked to find all instances of Google in that message.
>
> Eric
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>
> This is probably something I should know if this feature already exists, but
> I haven't found a way to do something equivalent to the JAWS find on a web
> page in Safari.
>
> This is something I would like to see as a choice for the rotor.  If this
> feature does already exist, can someone enlighten me?
>
> Pam
>
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of
> Sieghard Weitzel [siegh...@live.ca]
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> I don't totally know how this works, but I don't think what you say is
> correct. Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US
> English voice and I don't think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it
> were then a user dictionary wouldn't even be possible.
>
> Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice?
> *smile*
> Sorry for the joke, I know people don't necessarily know what 30 Caliber is
> and that it has no connection to shotguns which have a "Gauge" designation,
> but I like to joke around.
> When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a
> reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or
> specific ammunition.
> The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel's diameter which is 308 of one
> thousands inch or 7.62mm in metric.
> The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06
> Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as
> 7.62x51 Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list
> for that *smile*.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>
> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal.
> shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've
> tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one
> that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me
> to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because
> Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for
> days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have
> to work with Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I
> kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that.
> That's why I think it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or
> Nuance voices.
>

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Harry Bell]

I agree that Siri is the big improvement to come: If Siri is to be radically 
improved in 2017, will that only happen on the very latest iPhone (is Siri 
improvement hardware dependent?) or would a variety of fairly recent iPhone 
models be able to use it (is Siri mostly software dependent?)? I ask because 
I'm wondering whether to upgrade from my iPhone 5s this year or wait till 
September 2017. Thanks. Harry

> On 3 Jun 2016, at 02:46, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I think as the singlemost important feature I agree that major SIRI 
> improvements would be at the top of the list for me.
> I am carefully optimistic that we will see that if not this year then next 
> year as it is the 10th anniversary of the iPhone and Apple may really try to 
> get back the "Wow factor".
> I also hope that the article I found on AppleInsider.com will come true and 
> this Vocal IQ technology will put SIRI at the top of the pack:
> 
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/30/apples-vocaliq-takeover-could-hint-at-siri-upgrades-for-wwdc-and-beyond
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 6:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
> Good list of ideas. I think the ones I would like to see the most are file 
> management and the ability to install system wide voices. In IOS 7, Apple did 
> allow developers to use the voices that are built in, now they need to allow 
> you to install other voices and have them available for everything including 
> voice over. Both platforms have a lot to offer, but when it comes to 
> flexibility and the ability to customize things, Android is still pretty far 
> ahead.
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
>> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
>> blog post.
>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org
>> 
>> 
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Fazil]

I would like to see Eloquence as one of the voice options.

Thanks!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hi Sean,

 

I don’t totally know how this works, but I don’t think what you say is correct. 
Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US English voice 
and I don’t think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it were then a user 
dictionary wouldn’t even be possible.

 

Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice? 
*smile*

Sorry for the joke, I know people don’t necessarily know what 30 Caliber is and 
that it has no connection to shotguns which have a “Gauge” designation, but I 
like to joke around.

When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a 
reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or 
specific ammunition.

The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel’s diameter which is 308 of one thousands 
inch or 7.62mm in metric.

The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06 
Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as 7.62x51 
Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list for that 
*smile*.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal. 
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe that 
it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't do that 
kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the week, but 
that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance 
because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would 
want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think it would be 
cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk

Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs

Skype username: bbstheblindrapper

Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

 

On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

 

The US Enhanced

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hello,

I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S


On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik < <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com> 
wfgal...@icloud.com> wrote:

I hope this is not terribly “off topic,” but Sieghart - you have caused a major 
internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!

 

I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!


Bill & Leader Dog Holland

 <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com> wfgal...@icloud.com

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Pam,

I just noticed this yesterday! When in a webpage, tap on the "share" tab at 
the bottom of any page in Safari, you will get the usual list of apps which 
could accept the webpage linked address, plus bookmarks etc. There is also a 
search/find option. I didn't try it, as I was doing something else, but maybe 
you could?

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 21:10, SSEric <sseri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Excuse me if this isn't what yu wanted, but how about the item chooser
> function. Triple 2-finger tap and use the search box to find something on
> the page. I do this every week in the NFB Newsline app to search my paper
> for my ZIP code to check what houses sold around me. I just checked it in a
> mail message and it worked to find all instances of Google in that message.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
> This is probably something I should know if this feature already exists, but
> I haven't found a way to do something equivalent to the JAWS find on a web
> page in Safari.
> 
> This is something I would like to see as a choice for the rotor.  If this
> feature does already exist, can someone enlighten me?
> 
> Pam
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of
> Sieghard Weitzel [siegh...@live.ca]
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I don't totally know how this works, but I don't think what you say is
> correct. Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US
> English voice and I don't think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it
> were then a user dictionary wouldn't even be possible.
> 
> Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice?
> *smile*
> Sorry for the joke, I know people don't necessarily know what 30 Caliber is
> and that it has no connection to shotguns which have a "Gauge" designation,
> but I like to joke around.
> When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a
> reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or
> specific ammunition.
> The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel's diameter which is 308 of one
> thousands inch or 7.62mm in metric.
> The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06
> Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as
> 7.62x51 Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list
> for that *smile*.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal.
> shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've
> tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one
> that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me
> to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because
> Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for
> days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have
> to work with Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I
> kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that.
> That's why I think it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or
> Nuance voices.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
> 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
> <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
> The US Enhanced
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of rajmund
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
> Hello,
> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my
> opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
&

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mary Otten]

You have a point about the touch aspect of these devices, except that, 
particularly with the iPad,  which is now being toutted as a computer 
replacement, there is a good argument to be made for robust keyboard support. 
And if you're going to build it in, why not make it valid for all iOS devices?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
>  
> I think the point people who heavily use Bluetooth keyboards or braille 
> displays is that they want to do as much as possible without having to take 
> the hands off the braille display or keyboard to touch the screen. In a way I 
> get this, but one must also remember that these are touch screen devices 
> which are primarily meant to be used with touch.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SSEric
> Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Tom, maybe I am not getting your meaning, but how about using handwriting. 
> You can write the first letter and all apps starting with that letter will 
> show in a list. Not a Braille solution…
>  
> Eric
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Lange
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hi Jonathan,
> Great blog post! As an avid user of Braille with IOS, I certainly agree with 
> your points regarding Braille support. I'd love to have some sort of 
> pronunciation dictionary.  And amen to the idea of full access to the file 
> system on any IOS device; although I certainly applaud Apple's efforts to 
> keep its OS secure, I truly despise having to use iTunes to move stuff to and 
> from my iPhone and would absolutely rejoice if iTunes died a horrible and 
> painful DEATH! 
> Now, having said all that, I'd like to float a crazy idea to extend keyboard 
> support. Keep the derisive laughter, groans and flames to a minimum, please. 
> Like I said, this one may well be considered off the wall. Here goes. Sighted 
> people have the ability to glance at a screen full of icons, zero in on the 
> one they want and simply tap it. So, if VO is running and an external 
> keyboard is in use, why not enable first letter navigation on any home screen 
> or within a folder much like one has that capability on a PC? Ditto for long 
> lists of titles or artists in Apple Music, where, incidentally, I can't find 
> a table index.  Further, if VO is running and an external keyboard is in use, 
> I'd like to see support for  quick navigation keys in Safari or any place 
> where I'm viewing HTML content.  Let me type h for heading, t for table, e 
> for edit box and so on and so on. While the rotor is certainly handy, having 
> to use it to  first select an element type (link, heading, form element, et 
> cetera), then use the rotor to find the desired element is cumbersome. Does 
> that functionality exist with the current implementation of Quick Nav? If so, 
> great. 
> Like someone else mentioned, I'd also like to see a way to search for text in 
> lengthy articles or documents.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
> blog post.
> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Eric,

I think the point people who heavily use Bluetooth keyboards or braille 
displays is that they want to do as much as possible without having to take the 
hands off the braille display or keyboard to touch the screen. In a way I get 
this, but one must also remember that these are touch screen devices which are 
primarily meant to be used with touch.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SSEric
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Tom, maybe I am not getting your meaning, but how about using handwriting. You 
can write the first letter and all apps starting with that letter will show in 
a list. Not a Braille solution…

Eric



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi Jonathan,
Great blog post! As an avid user of Braille with IOS, I certainly agree with 
your points regarding Braille support. I'd love to have some sort of 
pronunciation dictionary.  And amen to the idea of full access to the file 
system on any IOS device; although I certainly applaud Apple's efforts to keep 
its OS secure, I truly despise having to use iTunes to move stuff to and from 
my iPhone and would absolutely rejoice if iTunes died a horrible and painful 
DEATH!
Now, having said all that, I'd like to float a crazy idea to extend keyboard 
support. Keep the derisive laughter, groans and flames to a minimum, please. 
Like I said, this one may well be considered off the wall. Here goes. Sighted 
people have the ability to glance at a screen full of icons, zero in on the one 
they want and simply tap it. So, if VO is running and an external keyboard is 
in use, why not enable first letter navigation on any home screen or within a 
folder much like one has that capability on a PC? Ditto for long lists of 
titles or artists in Apple Music, where, incidentally, I can't find a table 
index.  Further, if VO is running and an external keyboard is in use, I'd like 
to see support for  quick navigation keys in Safari or any place where I'm 
viewing HTML content.  Let me type h for heading, t for table, e for edit box 
and so on and so on. While the rotor is certainly handy, having to use it to  
first select an element type (link, heading, form element, et cetera), then use 
the rotor to find the desired element is cumbersome. Does that functionality 
exist with the current implementation of Quick Nav? If so, great.
Like someone else mentioned, I'd also like to see a way to search for text in 
lengthy articles or documents.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen 
<jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[SSEric]

Tom, maybe I am not getting your meaning, but how about using handwriting.
You can write the first letter and all apps starting with that letter will
show in a list. Not a Braille solution.

 

Eric

 

 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Lange
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hi Jonathan,

Great blog post! As an avid user of Braille with IOS, I certainly agree with
your points regarding Braille support. I'd love to have some sort of
pronunciation dictionary.  And amen to the idea of full access to the file
system on any IOS device; although I certainly applaud Apple's efforts to
keep its OS secure, I truly despise having to use iTunes to move stuff to
and from my iPhone and would absolutely rejoice if iTunes died a horrible
and painful DEATH! 

Now, having said all that, I'd like to float a crazy idea to extend keyboard
support. Keep the derisive laughter, groans and flames to a minimum, please.
Like I said, this one may well be considered off the wall. Here goes.
Sighted people have the ability to glance at a screen full of icons, zero in
on the one they want and simply tap it. So, if VO is running and an external
keyboard is in use, why not enable first letter navigation on any home
screen or within a folder much like one has that capability on a PC? Ditto
for long lists of titles or artists in Apple Music, where, incidentally, I
can't find a table index.  Further, if VO is running and an external
keyboard is in use, I'd like to see support for  quick navigation keys in
Safari or any place where I'm viewing HTML content.  Let me type h for
heading, t for table, e for edit box and so on and so on. While the rotor is
certainly handy, having to use it to  first select an element type (link,
heading, form element, et cetera), then use the rotor to find the desired
element is cumbersome. Does that functionality exist with the current
implementation of Quick Nav? If so, great. 

Like someone else mentioned, I'd also like to see a way to search for text
in lengthy articles or documents.  

Sent from my iPhone


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Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS.
Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the
blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[SSEric]

Excuse me if this isn't what yu wanted, but how about the item chooser
function. Triple 2-finger tap and use the search box to find something on
the page. I do this every week in the NFB Newsline app to search my paper
for my ZIP code to check what houses sold around me. I just checked it in a
mail message and it worked to find all instances of Google in that message.

Eric


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Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:20 PM
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Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

This is probably something I should know if this feature already exists, but
I haven't found a way to do something equivalent to the JAWS find on a web
page in Safari.

This is something I would like to see as a choice for the rotor.  If this
feature does already exist, can someone enlighten me?

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of
Sieghard Weitzel [siegh...@live.ca]
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi Sean,

I don't totally know how this works, but I don't think what you say is
correct. Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US
English voice and I don't think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it
were then a user dictionary wouldn't even be possible.

Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice?
*smile*
Sorry for the joke, I know people don't necessarily know what 30 Caliber is
and that it has no connection to shotguns which have a "Gauge" designation,
but I like to joke around.
When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a
reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or
specific ammunition.
The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel's diameter which is 308 of one
thousands inch or 7.62mm in metric.
The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06
Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as
7.62x51 Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list
for that *smile*.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal.
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've
tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one
that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me
to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because
Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for
days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have
to work with Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I
kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that.
That's why I think it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or
Nuance voices.

Shawn
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On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The US Enhanced

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of rajmund
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hello,
I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

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<wfgal...@icloud.com<mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a
major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!

I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!

Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I must say I agree with Sandra, Sieghard and some other participants
in this subject.
There's nothing I really hate more as TTS engines wants to think
instead of me. I use my iDevices to read a lot and thanks to Voice
Dream Reader wih its pronounciation dictionary I managed to stop the
Vocalizer TTS from beeing to smart. As someone mentioned, I was
getting really crazy while I was reading the book and continously
hearing "Telephone Aviv".
I believe the text needs to be spoken exactly as it was writen and
it is up to ourselves how we are going to process it.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

3.6.2016. u 12:05, 'Sandratomkins' via
  VIPhone je napisao/la:


  
  Hi Jonathan,
  
  
      Hope you don't mind me responding
here, rather than on your webpage.
  
  
      I would like to extend the
parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to the pronunciation
dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me to
stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in
the text, I do not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not
become "featuring" etc. I write a lot in Italian, even when the
keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking in Italian,
when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will
read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted
for me.
  
  
      Since IOS 9.3, every word that
begins with "no" followed by just one letter, so, "not" "now"
"nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think this is
just more of the same.
  
  
      I have got so used to Daniel
saying "number" instead of "no" when reading books that I find
myself saying  it too!
  
  
      Finally, although this can be
amusing, those of us who are power users of these devices can
become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers too!
I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel,
in real life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a
problem, especially for young ones relying upon the technology
for their education.
  
  
  Thanks for starting this
conversation!
  
  
  Slainte, Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon
  
On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen 
wrote:

  
  

  
  Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of
  Apple's WWDC conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for
  the next version of iOS. Feel free to take a read, and share
  your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
  http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

  

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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sandy,

What people would like to see is that they can connect their iPhone to a 
computer and see the phone’s file structure. This means you would see, for 
example, a Music folder and all its subfolders and you could just go to your 
hard drive, copy a folder with music in it, then go to the iPhone and paste it 
into the music folder there and that music would then be available without the 
need to use iTunes and sync it to the phone.
I think Apple doesn’t allow this because they say it opens up the phone for 
many security issues since theoretically somehow files with malware or viruses 
could end up on your iPhone.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi All,

I think I am being rather obtuse here, but what, exactly, would be the use 
of a "file" system? i do remember, back in the days when I was using Windows, 
that one could find all the files on the system, using a tree structure: is 
this what people are talking about?

I use an app called "Filer" It isn't very pretty or quick of navigation and 
I would love to see it improved, but is this what people are talking about? Or 
is it that one has to duplicate files in order to use them, such as with the 
voices?

Just trying to understand better. I think, because I dispensed with my 
PC/Laptop some years ago, I may have forgotten some of the conveniences and 
have become used to IOS and its different way of doing things.

Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 4 Jun 2016, at 03:43, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Devin,

What is “JIT”

If it is possible to keep the iPhone as secure as it is and give access to the 
file system or at least maybe limited access for adding music and so on I am 
all for it.

As far as other app stores I don’t think we’ll ever see that.


Regards,
Sieghard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Okay, here I go.
I'd like there to be an "expert" mode, where
• JIT is usable in all apps
• Apps can be sideloaded and other app stores, like cydia, can be installed
• filesystem is exposed to the user within an app
• There are more keyboard commands, and all of iOS can be controlled with the 
keyboard regardless of the activity of voiceover.
2. A speech API which apps can use to make their voices available systemwide, 
including for Siri. Having Alex as a Siri voice should help as well. This will 
also force the speech developers at Apple to focus on Alex more.
3. Allowing formatting, like italics, headings, links, buttons, ect to be 
showing in braille, using braille symbols, similar to how the braille note 
handled links, by surrounding them in formatting.
4. Allow apps to be moved by tapping on them, then tapping where one wants to 
move the app.
5. Allow spell checking similar to text sellection, swipe left and right to 
choose a word, up and down to choose correction.
6. Within a book, or large chunk of text, mark braille position, so that when a 
notification comes in, then disappears, braille moves back to that marked 
position in the text. If you want me to buy iBooks material, you want to fix 
this. You want it badly, Apple. Aye, so ye do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Dave 
<dave.beckett...@gmail.com<mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the status 
bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going into 
settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.

2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i can 
move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the fear, 
of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep my 
messaging inbox clear.

Dave.


From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless I 
go back and spell the word.
Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets I 
have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain weight, 
but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the washroom.

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is what I've always meant byit, and wanted above all things.  I used a 
couple of different apps for this,  but still an issue 
to get stuff into the apps.  Phonedrive might have been one, ubidisk the other; 
 they do what they're meant to at least.

BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10


Hi All,

I think I am being rather obtuse here, but what, exactly, would be the use 
of a "file" system? i do remember, back in the days 
when I was using Windows, that one could find all the files on the system, 
using a tree structure: is this what people are talking 
about?

I use an app called "Filer" It isn't very pretty or quick of navigation and 
I would love to see it improved, but is this what 
people are talking about? Or is it that one has to duplicate files in order to 
use them, such as with the voices?

Just trying to understand better. I think, because I dispensed with my 
PC/Laptop some years ago, I may have forgotten some of the 
conveniences and have become used to IOS and its different way of doing things.

Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 03:43, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Devin,
>
> What is “JIT”
>
> If it is possible to keep the iPhone as secure as it is and give access to 
> the file system or at least maybe limited access for 
> adding music and so on I am all for it.
>
> As far as other app stores I don’t think we’ll ever see that.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Devin Prater
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>
> Okay, here I go.
> I'd like there to be an "expert" mode, where
> • JIT is usable in all apps
> • Apps can be sideloaded and other app stores, like cydia, can be installed
> • filesystem is exposed to the user within an app
> • There are more keyboard commands, and all of iOS can be controlled with the 
> keyboard regardless of the activity of voiceover.
> 2. A speech API which apps can use to make their voices available systemwide, 
> including for Siri. Having Alex as a Siri voice 
> should help as well. This will also force the speech developers at Apple to 
> focus on Alex more.
> 3. Allowing formatting, like italics, headings, links, buttons, ect to be 
> showing in braille, using braille symbols, similar to 
> how the braille note handled links, by surrounding them in formatting.
> 4. Allow apps to be moved by tapping on them, then tapping where one wants to 
> move the app.
> 5. Allow spell checking similar to text sellection, swipe left and right to 
> choose a word, up and down to choose correction.
> 6. Within a book, or large chunk of text, mark braille position, so that when 
> a notification comes in, then disappears, braille 
> moves back to that marked position in the text. If you want me to buy iBooks 
> material, you want to fix this. You want it badly, 
> Apple. Aye, so ye do.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the 
> status bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, 
> instead of going into settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 
> percent.
>
> 2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i 
> can move text and iMessages, so they can be 
> conveniently saved, without the fear, of me accidently deleting them, and 
> this would make it easier to keep my messaging inbox 
> clear.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>
> Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
> dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” 
> instead of “now” unless I go back and spell the word.
> Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
> like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not 
> tell me the 30 Cal bullets I have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” 
> have “30 Calories”.
> I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain 
> weight, but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when 
> he goes to the washroom.
>
> Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
> it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama 
> Chabaab and they are in 

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mary Otten]

I think the statement about Apple can be generalized to all of the major 
software developers. They have schedules and the stick to them and if there are 
bugs, too bad. Look at windows 10. How long is it been out? We still don't have 
full excess ability there.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> A question of priorities, trying to be trendy, that's the way I've always 
> seen it. This is what some friends of mine hate about Apple. It's 
> unfortunate. Well reasoned post from C see below.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 12:24 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> 
>> You may be right in that it will never happen, but this doesn't have to be 
>> the case with software. It's just a case of priorities, schedules and 
>> resources. If Apple gets it right after four months, as you say, then they 
>> could get it right on the day of the release by doing things like starting 
>> earlier, releasing later, putting more resources on development, testing and 
>> bug fixing or freeing up more resources to find and fix bugs by putting less 
>> new content into a release. Bottom line is that this is not intrinsic with 
>> software, it's the result of business decisions being made. Note that many 
>> software companies make business decisions to release on time at all costs, 
>> save money by spending less on development or test resources and focusing on 
>> a large feature list to look good to customers and reviewers.
>> 
 On 03/06/16 16:24, christopher hallsworth wrote:
 We all want that, but in reality it will never happen. That’s software for 
 you.
 On 3 Jun 2016, at 21:04, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
  wrote:
 
 I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver 
 right out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for 
 VoiceOver users to be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising 
 bugs.
 
 Keith
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
 To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
 Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
 
 Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
 conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
 Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
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 http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Rajmund]

Hi Shawn,
I think Alex is a whole different story, as Alex is made by Apple, so Apple did 
whatever they wanted with pronunciation, and all that. Could well be wrong, 
though.




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 1:50 am, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Rajmund. I don't think Apple modified the Nuance voices. Each platform 
> has Nuance voices and each has them in different sizes. For example, on the 
> Mac and NVDA, they can range from 300 to 400 MB. So I don't think Apple has 
> anything to do with the size.
> Sieghard, you may be right about the whole Nuance and Apple relationship, but 
> perhaps you can explain why Alex doesn't mispronounce a lot of abbreviations 
> and such like the Nuance voices do.
> Devon, what exactly do you want Apple to do with Alex? Whatever it is, I hope 
> it doesn't involve getting rid of the whole taking breaths thing. That was 
> the big selling point for me when I got my Mac and later on the 5S.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> Sorry, I messed it up. I"  meant to say apple has them modified, already, as 
>> they are. Sorry about the extra message, and spelling.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
>> 
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk  <bbssh...@icloud.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 8:16 pm
>> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 
>>> cal.. shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've 
>>> tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one 
>>> that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me 
>>> to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because 
>>> Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations 
>>> for days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would 
>>> have to work with Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And 
>>> I kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that. 
>>> That's why I think it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple 
>>> or Nuance voices.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The US Enhanced
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
>>>> Of rajmund
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in 
>>>> my opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>>> 
>>>> On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a 
>>>> major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
>>>> 
>>>> I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!
>>>> 
>>>> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>>>> wfgal...@icloud.com <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi All,

I think I am being rather obtuse here, but what, exactly, would be the use 
of a "file" system? i do remember, back in the days when I was using Windows, 
that one could find all the files on the system, using a tree structure: is 
this what people are talking about?

I use an app called "Filer" It isn't very pretty or quick of navigation and 
I would love to see it improved, but is this what people are talking about? Or 
is it that one has to duplicate files in order to use them, such as with the 
voices?

Just trying to understand better. I think, because I dispensed with my 
PC/Laptop some years ago, I may have forgotten some of the conveniences and 
have become used to IOS and its different way of doing things.

Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 4 Jun 2016, at 03:43, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Devin,
>  
> What is “JIT”
>  
> If it is possible to keep the iPhone as secure as it is and give access to 
> the file system or at least maybe limited access for adding music and so on I 
> am all for it.
>  
> As far as other app stores I don’t think we’ll ever see that.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Devin Prater
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Okay, here I go.
> I'd like there to be an "expert" mode, where 
> • JIT is usable in all apps
> • Apps can be sideloaded and other app stores, like cydia, can be installed
> • filesystem is exposed to the user within an app
> • There are more keyboard commands, and all of iOS can be controlled with the 
> keyboard regardless of the activity of voiceover.
> 2. A speech API which apps can use to make their voices available systemwide, 
> including for Siri. Having Alex as a Siri voice should help as well. This 
> will also force the speech developers at Apple to focus on Alex more.
> 3. Allowing formatting, like italics, headings, links, buttons, ect to be 
> showing in braille, using braille symbols, similar to how the braille note 
> handled links, by surrounding them in formatting.
> 4. Allow apps to be moved by tapping on them, then tapping where one wants to 
> move the app.
> 5. Allow spell checking similar to text sellection, swipe left and right to 
> choose a word, up and down to choose correction.
> 6. Within a book, or large chunk of text, mark braille position, so that when 
> a notification comes in, then disappears, braille moves back to that marked 
> position in the text. If you want me to buy iBooks material, you want to fix 
> this. You want it badly, Apple. Aye, so ye do.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> 1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the 
> status bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going 
> into settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.
>  
> 2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i 
> can move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the 
> fear, of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep 
> my messaging inbox clear.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
> dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless 
> I go back and spell the word.
> Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
> like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets 
> I have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
> I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain 
> weight, but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the 
> washroom.
>  
> Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
> it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in 
> Somalia and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is 
> so dum.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
> synthesiser that told me of a pla

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Deidre Muccio]

A question of priorities, trying to be trendy, that's the way I've always seen 
it. This is what some friends of mine hate about Apple. It's unfortunate. Well 
reasoned post from C see below.

Deidre


> On Jun 4, 2016, at 12:24 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> You may be right in that it will never happen, but this doesn't have to be 
> the case with software. It's just a case of priorities, schedules and 
> resources. If Apple gets it right after four months, as you say, then they 
> could get it right on the day of the release by doing things like starting 
> earlier, releasing later, putting more resources on development, testing and 
> bug fixing or freeing up more resources to find and fix bugs by putting less 
> new content into a release. Bottom line is that this is not intrinsic with 
> software, it's the result of business decisions being made. Note that many 
> software companies make business decisions to release on time at all costs, 
> save money by spending less on development or test resources and focusing on 
> a large feature list to look good to customers and reviewers.
> 
>> On 03/06/16 16:24, christopher hallsworth wrote:
>> We all want that, but in reality it will never happen. That’s software for 
>> you.
>>> On 3 Jun 2016, at 21:04, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver 
>>> right out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for 
>>> VoiceOver users to be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising bugs.
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
>>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>> Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
>>> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
>>> blog post.
>>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Christopher Chaltain]

You may be right in that it will never happen, but this doesn't have to 
be the case with software. It's just a case of priorities, schedules and 
resources. If Apple gets it right after four months, as you say, then 
they could get it right on the day of the release by doing things like 
starting earlier, releasing later, putting more resources on 
development, testing and bug fixing or freeing up more resources to find 
and fix bugs by putting less new content into a release. Bottom line is 
that this is not intrinsic with software, it's the result of business 
decisions being made. Note that many software companies make business 
decisions to release on time at all costs, save money by spending less 
on development or test resources and focusing on a large feature list to 
look good to customers and reviewers.


On 03/06/16 16:24, christopher hallsworth wrote:

We all want that, but in reality it will never happen. That’s software for you.

On 3 Jun 2016, at 21:04, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.  
wrote:

I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver right 
out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for VoiceOver users to 
be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising bugs.

Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Devin,

What is “JIT”

If it is possible to keep the iPhone as secure as it is and give access to the 
file system or at least maybe limited access for adding music and so on I am 
all for it.

As far as other app stores I don’t think we’ll ever see that.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Okay, here I go.
I'd like there to be an "expert" mode, where
• JIT is usable in all apps
• Apps can be sideloaded and other app stores, like cydia, can be installed
• filesystem is exposed to the user within an app
• There are more keyboard commands, and all of iOS can be controlled with the 
keyboard regardless of the activity of voiceover.
2. A speech API which apps can use to make their voices available systemwide, 
including for Siri. Having Alex as a Siri voice should help as well. This will 
also force the speech developers at Apple to focus on Alex more.
3. Allowing formatting, like italics, headings, links, buttons, ect to be 
showing in braille, using braille symbols, similar to how the braille note 
handled links, by surrounding them in formatting.
4. Allow apps to be moved by tapping on them, then tapping where one wants to 
move the app.
5. Allow spell checking similar to text sellection, swipe left and right to 
choose a word, up and down to choose correction.
6. Within a book, or large chunk of text, mark braille position, so that when a 
notification comes in, then disappears, braille moves back to that marked 
position in the text. If you want me to buy iBooks material, you want to fix 
this. You want it badly, Apple. Aye, so ye do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Dave 
<dave.beckett...@gmail.com<mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the status 
bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going into 
settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.

2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i can 
move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the fear, 
of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep my 
messaging inbox clear.

Dave.


From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless I 
go back and spell the word.
Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets I 
have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain weight, 
but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the washroom.

Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in Somalia 
and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is so dum.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org<http://mosen.org>

On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Jonathan,

Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed b

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Jewel]

I was playing Word Ladder last night, and 1 of the clues was New Zealand green 
parrot.  The word that was wanted was Kea, which Jaws pronounces as though it 
was the  piece of metal that is used to open a lock or start a car, but 
voice-over pronounced it correctly.
Also, I was hunting in the App Store for the Google IPA, the name of which I 
don't know, and in the list of categories, I saw the word "catalogue" so, as I 
had been writing to our local iPhone Users list last night and was writing 
about spelling in American English as opposed to British, I looked to see how 
it had been spelled and there it was, in brit spelling.
Most of the clues in W L are in American spelling, but in a recent game, there 
was the clue "flavour"  with the u.

 Jewel


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 3:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10


Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless I 
go back and spell the word.

Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets I 
have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.

I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain weight, 
but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the washroom.

 

Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in Somalia 
and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is so dum.


 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

  On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Jonathan,

   

  Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

   

  I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

   

  Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
this is just more of the same.

   

  I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!

   

  Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
young ones relying upon the technology for their education.

   

  Thanks for starting this conversation!

   

  Slainte, Sandy. 

  sent from the dark side of the moon


  On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey Rajmund. I don't think Apple modified the Nuance voices. Each platform has 
Nuance voices and each has them in different sizes. For example, on the Mac and 
NVDA, they can range from 300 to 400 MB. So I don't think Apple has anything to 
do with the size.
Sieghard, you may be right about the whole Nuance and Apple relationship, but 
perhaps you can explain why Alex doesn't mispronounce a lot of abbreviations 
and such like the Nuance voices do.
Devon, what exactly do you want Apple to do with Alex? Whatever it is, I hope 
it doesn't involve getting rid of the whole taking breaths thing. That was the 
big selling point for me when I got my Mac and later on the 5S.

Shawn
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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> Sorry, I messed it up. I"  meant to say apple has them modified, already, as 
> they are. Sorry about the extra message, and spelling.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Shawn Krasniuk  <bbssh...@icloud.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 8:16 pm
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 
>> cal.. shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've 
>> tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one 
>> that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me 
>> to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because 
>> Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for 
>> days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have 
>> to work with Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I 
>> kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that. 
>> That's why I think it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or 
>> Nuance voices.
>> 
>> Shawn
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>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The US Enhanced
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
>>> Of rajmund
>>> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in 
>>> my opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>> 
>>> On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a 
>>> major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
>>> 
>>> I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!
>>> 
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mary Otten]

You should be able to do the quick nav first letter stuff that you want in 
Safari, but not in other HTML, like email for instance. Wouldn't it be nice to 
have it there and anywhere else where there is HTML? I think they're just 
should be a whole lot more keyboard support, especially since they are touting 
the iPad as a sort of computer replacement. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> Great blog post! As an avid user of Braille with IOS, I certainly agree with 
> your points regarding Braille support. I'd love to have some sort of 
> pronunciation dictionary.  And amen to the idea of full access to the file 
> system on any IOS device; although I certainly applaud Apple's efforts to 
> keep its OS secure, I truly despise having to use iTunes to move stuff to and 
> from my iPhone and would absolutely rejoice if iTunes died a horrible and 
> painful DEATH! 
> Now, having said all that, I'd like to float a crazy idea to extend keyboard 
> support. Keep the derisive laughter, groans and flames to a minimum, please. 
> Like I said, this one may well be considered off the wall. Here goes. Sighted 
> people have the ability to glance at a screen full of icons, zero in on the 
> one they want and simply tap it. So, if VO is running and an external 
> keyboard is in use, why not enable first letter navigation on any home screen 
> or within a folder much like one has that capability on a PC? Ditto for long 
> lists of titles or artists in Apple Music, where, incidentally, I can't find 
> a table index.  Further, if VO is running and an external keyboard is in use, 
> I'd like to see support for  quick navigation keys in Safari or any place 
> where I'm viewing HTML content.  Let me type h for heading, t for table, e 
> for edit box and so on and so on. While the rotor is certainly handy, having 
> to use it to  first select an element type (link, heading, form element, et 
> cetera), then use the rotor to find the desired element is cumbersome. Does 
> that functionality exist with the current implementation of Quick Nav? If so, 
> great. 
> Like someone else mentioned, I'd also like to see a way to search for text in 
> lengthy articles or documents.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
>> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
>> blog post.
>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Tom Lange]

Hi Jonathan,
Great blog post! As an avid user of Braille with IOS, I certainly agree with 
your points regarding Braille support. I'd love to have some sort of 
pronunciation dictionary.  And amen to the idea of full access to the file 
system on any IOS device; although I certainly applaud Apple's efforts to keep 
its OS secure, I truly despise having to use iTunes to move stuff to and from 
my iPhone and would absolutely rejoice if iTunes died a horrible and painful 
DEATH! 
Now, having said all that, I'd like to float a crazy idea to extend keyboard 
support. Keep the derisive laughter, groans and flames to a minimum, please. 
Like I said, this one may well be considered off the wall. Here goes. Sighted 
people have the ability to glance at a screen full of icons, zero in on the one 
they want and simply tap it. So, if VO is running and an external keyboard is 
in use, why not enable first letter navigation on any home screen or within a 
folder much like one has that capability on a PC? Ditto for long lists of 
titles or artists in Apple Music, where, incidentally, I can't find a table 
index.  Further, if VO is running and an external keyboard is in use, I'd like 
to see support for  quick navigation keys in Safari or any place where I'm 
viewing HTML content.  Let me type h for heading, t for table, e for edit box 
and so on and so on. While the rotor is certainly handy, having to use it to  
first select an element type (link, heading, form element, et cetera), then use 
the rotor to find the desired element is cumbersome. Does that functionality 
exist with the current implementation of Quick Nav? If so, great. 
Like someone else mentioned, I'd also like to see a way to search for text in 
lengthy articles or documents.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
> blog post.
> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[christopher hallsworth]

We all want that, but in reality it will never happen. That’s software for you.
> On 3 Jun 2016, at 21:04, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver right 
> out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for VoiceOver users 
> to be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising bugs.
>  
> Keith
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
> blog post.
> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Pinky]

Hey Sieghard,

Maybe if you shot a bear I know he would be gaining weight as now he has 30 
calories in his body. LOL

Now would he have died of lead poisoning or 30 calories.

Ed 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hi Sean,

 

I don’t totally know how this works, but I don’t think what you say is correct. 
Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US English voice 
and I don’t think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it were then a user 
dictionary wouldn’t even be possible.

 

Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice? 
*smile*

Sorry for the joke, I know people don’t necessarily know what 30 Caliber is and 
that it has no connection to shotguns which have a “Gauge” designation, but I 
like to joke around.

When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a 
reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or 
specific ammunition.

The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel’s diameter which is 308 of one thousands 
inch or 7.62mm in metric.

The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06 
Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as 7.62x51 
Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list for that 
*smile*.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal. 
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe that 
it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't do that 
kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the week, but 
that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance 
because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would 
want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think it would be 
cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.

 

Shawn

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On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

 

The US Enhanced

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hello,

I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S


On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik < <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com> 
wfgal...@icloud.com> wrote:

I hope this is not terribly “off topic,” but Sieghart - you have caused a major 
internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!

 

I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!


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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Devin Prater]

Alex, at least, is supposed to act on whole paragraphs, but I don't know how 
other synthes handle things. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:41 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I agree this has to be the default, as so many abbreviations are 
> context-sensitive,  as in that "Cal" example, and a good many 
> others, for which the synth takes no account.
> - Original Message - 
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> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
> 
> I think these weird pronunciations are tied to the specific speech 
> synthesizer in use. Might be wrong, but that's what I think based 
> on observation. I used to love pronunciation dictionaries. I spent a long 
> time perfecting the one I had for a speech synthesizer in 
> the K-1 thousand program. Then that speech synthesizer went away. And I just 
> never got back to it. I think what they should do is 
> simply let you see the abbreviation as it is and figured out for yourself. 
> Override any speech synthesizer preferences and just give 
> me what is written on the page, just like with the sighted people see.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 3:05 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
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>> 
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>> 
>>Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
>> 
>>I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
>> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a 
>> toggle which would allow me to stop VO making smart choices re 
>> abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do not want to hear 
>> "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a lot in 
>> Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO 
>> is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There 
>> are dozens of these and they drive me mad I would 
>> like a toggle that will read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not 
>> interpreted for me.
>> 
>>Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
>> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is 
>> pronounced as "no" I think this is just more of the same.
>> 
>>I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
>> books that I find myself saying  it too!
>> 
>>Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
>> these devices can become corrupted by them. This 
>> applies to PC screen-readers too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  
>> like Jaws or Daniel, in real life and, in my opinion, 
>> this could actually become a problem, especially for young ones relying upon 
>> the technology for their education.
>> 
>> Thanks for starting this conversation!
>> 
>> Slainte, Sandy.
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the 
>>> next version of iOS. Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in 
>>> the comments to the blog post.
>>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Devin Prater]

Okay, here I go.
I'd like there to be an "expert" mode, where 
• JIT is usable in all apps
• Apps can be sideloaded and other app stores, like cydia, can be installed
• filesystem is exposed to the user within an app
• There are more keyboard commands, and all of iOS can be controlled with the 
keyboard regardless of the activity of voiceover.
2. A speech API which apps can use to make their voices available systemwide, 
including for Siri. Having Alex as a Siri voice should help as well. This will 
also force the speech developers at Apple to focus on Alex more.
3. Allowing formatting, like italics, headings, links, buttons, ect to be 
showing in braille, using braille symbols, similar to how the braille note 
handled links, by surrounding them in formatting.
4. Allow apps to be moved by tapping on them, then tapping where one wants to 
move the app.
5. Allow spell checking similar to text sellection, swipe left and right to 
choose a word, up and down to choose correction.
6. Within a book, or large chunk of text, mark braille position, so that when a 
notification comes in, then disappears, braille moves back to that marked 
position in the text. If you want me to buy iBooks material, you want to fix 
this. You want it badly, Apple. Aye, so ye do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> 1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the 
> status bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going 
> into settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.
>  
> 2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i 
> can move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the 
> fear, of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep 
> my messaging inbox clear.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
> dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless 
> I go back and spell the word.
> Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
> like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets 
> I have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
> I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain 
> weight, but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the 
> washroom.
>  
> Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
> it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in 
> Somalia and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is 
> so dum.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
> synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
> still makes me laugh.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi Jonathan,
>  
> Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
>  
> I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow 
> me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, 
> I do not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I 
> write a lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO 
> is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are 
> dozens of these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will 
> read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.
>  
> Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
> this is just more of the same.
>  
> I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
> books that I find myself saying  it too!
>  
> Finally, although thi

Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Deidre Muccio]

That's a good one Keith  Good luck in having it come to fruition.

Deidre


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
>  wrote:
> 
> I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver right 
> out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for VoiceOver users 
> to be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising bugs.
>  
> Keith
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
> blog post.
> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Rajmund]

Hi,
If you download nuance vocalizer, or whatever I installed by code factory, for 
which, you pay, there are high quality. But I don't know  more, as it was only 
for the trial, beside, this is an IOS list. But Samantha sounded just like on 
IOS 8 and before, with high speech rates, which is why I don't understand why 
they had to change everything.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  <motte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

>
>
> I think the quality of the voices on iOS is higher. People using android 
> complain that they don't have the high-quality voices. I think that accounts 
> for the difference in size, not that Apple has modified something.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Shawn,
> > Apple already has them voices modified. Samantha, for example, is 169 MB on 
> > IOS, 70 on android. Which leaves me to the conclusion, that apple has them 
> > modified as they are, already.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from a Braille Sense 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Shawn Krasniuk  <bbssh...@icloud.com>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 8:16 pm
> > Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 
> >> cal.. shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices 
> >> I've tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only 
> >> one that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This 
> >> leads me to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically 
> >> because Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does 
> >> abbreviations for days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be 
> >> fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance because those voices are from 
> >> that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra 
> >> time to do just that. That's why I think it would be cool to use other 
> >> voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.
> >> 
> >> Shawn
> >> Sent From My White MacBook
> >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> The US Enhanced
> >>> 
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
> >>> Of rajmund
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> >>> 
> >>> Hello,
> >>> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in 
> >>> my opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> >>> 
> >>> On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com 
> >>> <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a 
> >>> major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
> >>> 
> >>> I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!
> >>> 
> >>> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> >>> wfgal...@icloud.com <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mary Otten]

I think the quality of the voices on iOS is higher. People using android 
complain that they don't have the high-quality voices. I think that accounts 
for the difference in size, not that Apple has modified something.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shawn,
> Apple already has them voices modified. Samantha, for example, is 169 MB on 
> IOS, 70 on android. Which leaves me to the conclusion, that apple has them 
> modified as they are, already.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from a Braille Sense 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Shawn Krasniuk  <bbssh...@icloud.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 8:16 pm
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 
>> cal.. shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've 
>> tested, which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one 
>> that didn't say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me 
>> to believe that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because 
>> Alex doesn't do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for 
>> days of the week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have 
>> to work with Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I 
>> kinda wonder if Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that. 
>> That's why I think it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or 
>> Nuance voices.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The US Enhanced
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
>>> Of rajmund
>>> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in 
>>> my opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>>> 
>>> On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a 
>>> major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
>>> 
>>> I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!
>>> 
>>> Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>>> wfgal...@icloud.com <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Rajmund]

Hi All,
Sorry, I messed it up. I"  meant to say apple has them modified, already, as 
they are. Sorry about the extra message, and spelling.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Shawn Krasniuk  <bbssh...@icloud.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

>
>
> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal.. 
> shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
> which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
> say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe 
> that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't 
> do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the 
> week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with 
> Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if 
> Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think 
> it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > The US Enhanced
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
> > Of rajmund
> > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> >  
> > Hello,
> > I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in 
> > my opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 5S
> > 
> > On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com 
> > <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a 
> > major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
> >  
> > I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!
> > 
> > Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> > wfgal...@icloud.com <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Rajmund]

Hi Shawn,
Apple already has them voices modified. Samantha, for example, is 169 MB on 
IOS, 70 on android. Which leaves me to the conclusion, that apple has them 
modified as they are, already.



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Shawn Krasniuk  <bbssh...@icloud.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

>
>
> Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal.. 
> shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
> which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
> say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe 
> that it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't 
> do that kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the 
> week, but that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with 
> Nuance because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if 
> Apple would want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think 
> it would be cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > The US Enhanced
> >  
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf 
> > Of rajmund
> > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
> >  
> > Hello,
> > I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in 
> > my opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 5S
> > 
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

This is probably something I should know if this feature already exists, but I 
haven't found a way to do something equivalent to the JAWS find on a web page 
in Safari.

This is something I would like to see as a choice for the rotor.  If this 
feature does already exist, can someone enlighten me?

Pam


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel [siegh...@live.ca]
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi Sean,

I don’t totally know how this works, but I don’t think what you say is correct. 
Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US English voice 
and I don’t think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it were then a user 
dictionary wouldn’t even be possible.

Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice? 
*smile*
Sorry for the joke, I know people don’t necessarily know what 30 Caliber is and 
that it has no connection to shotguns which have a “Gauge” designation, but I 
like to joke around.
When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a 
reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or 
specific ammunition.
The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel’s diameter which is 308 of one thousands 
inch or 7.62mm in metric.
The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06 
Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as 7.62x51 
Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list for that 
*smile*.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal. 
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe that 
it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't do that 
kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the week, but 
that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance 
because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would 
want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think it would be 
cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The US Enhanced

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of rajmund
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hello,
I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

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<wfgal...@icloud.com<mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Dave]

yeah, that would be nice. but Miracles are quite rare!

From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 9:04 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver right 
out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for VoiceOver users to 
be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising bugs.

 

Keith

 

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Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

Jonathan Mosen

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http://Mosen.org

 

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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I very much want iOS 10 to be stable and fully workable with VoiceOver right 
out ot the box. No more waiting up to 4 months or longer for VoiceOver users to 
be able to use the iOS upgrade without compromising bugs.

Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 5:15 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sean,

I don’t totally know how this works, but I don’t think what you say is correct. 
Pronounciation seems to have changed in iOS 9 for the enhanced US English voice 
and I don’t think this is entirely controlled by Nuance. If it were then a user 
dictionary wouldn’t even be possible.

Also,  what are you going to shoot with that 30 Cal Shotgun of yours? Mice? 
*smile*
Sorry for the joke, I know people don’t necessarily know what 30 Caliber is and 
that it has no connection to shotguns which have a “Gauge” designation, but I 
like to joke around.
When it comes to hunting or military rifles, 30 Caliber is very common and a 
reasonably powerful caliber and it covers a wide range of actual calibers or 
specific ammunition.
The 30 Cal only refers to the barrel’s diameter which is 308 of one thousands 
inch or 7.62mm in metric.
The actual calibers or ammunitions it covers would be things like 30-06 
Springfield, 300 Winchester Magnum, 308 Winchester which is the same as 7.62x51 
Nato etc. But enough of the ammo lesson, maybe I should start a list for that 
*smile*.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal. 
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe that 
it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't do that 
kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the week, but 
that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance 
because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would 
want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think it would be 
cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com<mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>

On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The US Enhanced

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of rajmund
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hello,
I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik 
<wfgal...@icloud.com<mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
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internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!

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Bill & Leader Dog Holland
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey guys. I've just tested a sentence with an abbreviation. I put in 30 cal. 
shotgun and noticed something interesting. Out of all the voices I've tested, 
which are Alex, Daniel, the US Siri voice and Karen, the only one that didn't 
say calories for the abbreviation C Aa L is Alex. This leads me to believe that 
it's an issue with the Nuance voices specifically because Alex doesn't do that 
kind of thing. Granted, he still does abbreviations for days of the week, but 
that's all. If this were to be fixed, Apple would have to work with Nuance 
because those voices are from that developer. And I kinda wonder if Apple would 
want to take that extra time to do just that. That's why I think it would be 
cool to use other voices besides the Apple or Nuance voices.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> The US Enhanced
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hello,
> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
> opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
> On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:wfgal...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> I hope this is not terribly “off topic,” but Sieghart - you have caused a 
> major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
>  
> I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!
> 
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Rajmund]

Hi,
Weird, as so do I, above 90%, and can differentiate between now and no. Good 
luck. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, 3 June 2016 7:18 pm
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

>
>
> The US Enhanced
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10
>  
> Hello,
> I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
> opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
> On 3 Jun 2016, at 4:10 pm, Bill Gallik <wfgal...@icloud.com> wrote:
> I hope this is not terribly "off topic," but Sieghart - you have caused a 
> major internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The US Enhanced

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rajmund
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hello,
I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

Sent from my iPhone 5S

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I hope this is not terribly “off topic,” but Sieghart - you have caused a major 
internal tremor in my bodily systems with your response!

I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!

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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just until your wishes may or may not come true, you can tell SIRI to turn low 
power mode on and off.

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1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the status 
bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going into 
settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.

2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i can 
move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the fear, 
of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep my 
messaging inbox clear.

Dave.


From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless I 
go back and spell the word.
Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets I 
have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain weight, 
but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the washroom.

Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in Somalia 
and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is so dum.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Jonathan,

Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
this is just more of the same.

I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!

Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
young ones relying upon the technology for their education.

Thanks for starting this conversation!

Slainte, Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

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<jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
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conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I agree this has to be the default, as so many abbreviations are 
context-sensitive,  as in that "Cal" example, and a good many 
others, for which the synth takes no account.
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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10


I think these weird pronunciations are tied to the specific speech synthesizer 
in use. Might be wrong, but that's what I think based 
on observation. I used to love pronunciation dictionaries. I spent a long time 
perfecting the one I had for a speech synthesizer in 
the K-1 thousand program. Then that speech synthesizer went away. And I just 
never got back to it. I think what they should do is 
simply let you see the abbreviation as it is and figured out for yourself. 
Override any speech synthesizer preferences and just give 
me what is written on the page, just like with the sighted people see.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 3:05 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
>
> I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a 
> toggle which would allow me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. 
> If "mon" is in the text, I do not want to hear 
> "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a lot in Italian, 
> even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO 
> is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are 
> dozens of these and they drive me mad I would 
> like a toggle that will read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not 
> interpreted for me.
>
> Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is 
> pronounced as "no" I think this is just more of the same.
>
> I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
> books that I find myself saying  it too!
>
> Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
> these devices can become corrupted by them. This 
> applies to PC screen-readers too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  
> like Jaws or Daniel, in real life and, in my opinion, 
> this could actually become a problem, especially for young ones relying upon 
> the technology for their education.
>
> Thanks for starting this conversation!
>
> Slainte, Sandy.
>
> sent from the dark side of the moon
>
>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the 
>> next version of iOS. Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in 
>> the comments to the blog post.
>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

<>

Pray he isn't flatulent or he'd start ww3!

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Is that the Australian one?  that's the one I use, forgot if she's Karen.
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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 12:13 PM
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Oh, its funny…]



I'm prefer Karen as my speech synth.









From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10



Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named 
"phone number Aviv". It still makes me laugh.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org



On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:



Hi Jonathan,



Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.



I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a 
toggle which would allow me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. 
If "mon" is in the text, I do not want to hear 
"monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a lot in Italian, 
even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is 
speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are 
dozens of these and they drive me mad I would like a 
toggle that will read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not 
interpreted for me.



Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is 
pronounced as "no" I think this is just more of the same.



I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!



Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This 
applies to PC screen-readers too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  
like Jaws or Daniel, in real life and, in my opinion, 
this could actually become a problem, especially for young ones relying upon 
the technology for their education.



Thanks for starting this conversation!



Slainte, Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon


On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next 
version of iOS. Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the 
comments to the blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

Jonathan Mosen

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I hate this kind of presumption of these sytems too,  this is classic geekism 
buried so deep in their coding environment, they can't 
see out of the box far enough to see the wider impact.  so, yes;  toggle it 
off,  or just do without even;  we can work it out, 
we're human.

As for worst mis-pronunciation, it must go to Dolphin's Hal, in the early days, 
and bearing in mind, this was  one of the more 
popular careers for the blind - physiotherapist, pr:  physio'the'rapist.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmo...@mosen.org>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10


Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named 
"phone number Aviv". It still makes me laugh.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
>
> I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a 
> toggle which would allow me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. 
> If "mon" is in the text, I do not want to hear 
> "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a lot in Italian, 
> even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO 
> is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are 
> dozens of these and they drive me mad I would 
> like a toggle that will read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not 
> interpreted for me.
>
> Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is 
> pronounced as "no" I think this is just more of the same.
>
> I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
> books that I find myself saying  it too!
>
> Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
> these devices can become corrupted by them. This 
> applies to PC screen-readers too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  
> like Jaws or Daniel, in real life and, in my opinion, 
> this could actually become a problem, especially for young ones relying upon 
> the technology for their education.
>
> Thanks for starting this conversation!
>
> Slainte, Sandy.
>
> sent from the dark side of the moon
>
> On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org 
> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the 
>> next version of iOS. Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in 
>> the comments to the blog post.
>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/ 
>> <http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/>
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Dave]

1. i would like to be able to double tap on the remaining power, in the status 
bar, so i can toggle on and off the low power mode, instead of going into 
settings, or waiting until my phone gets down to 20 percent.

2. I would like to see a folder system, like the old nokia phones, where i can 
move text and iMessages, so they can be conveniently saved, without the fear, 
of me accidently deleting them, and this would make it easier to keep my 
messaging inbox clear.

Dave.


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless I 
go back and spell the word.

Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets I 
have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.

I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain weight, 
but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the washroom.

 

Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in Somalia 
and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is so dum.


 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.

Jonathan Mosen

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  On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

   

  Hi Jonathan,

   

  Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

   

  I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

   

  Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
this is just more of the same.

   

  I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!

   

  Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
young ones relying upon the technology for their education.

   

  Thanks for starting this conversation!

   

  Slainte, Sandy. 

  sent from the dark side of the moon


  On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

 

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[rajmund]

Hello,
I'm laughing, too, but, no-now. The only TTS, that has issues with it, in my 
opinion, is Daniel. Sieghard, what speech do you use?

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[Bill Gallik]

I hope this is not terribly “off topic,” but Sieghart - you have caused a major 
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I am have one heck of a time to stop laughing at your dry, creative humor!

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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, Voiceover’s pronounciation leaves a lot to be desired, I hate it when I 
dictate and I can’t tell whether it really wrote “no” instead of “now” unless I 
go back and spell the word.
Since I sell firearms and ammunition at my retail store, I also would really 
like it to say just “30 Cal” as in “C a l” and not tell me the 30 Cal bullets I 
have by which of course is meant “30 Caliber” have “30 Calories”.
I can assure Tim Cook that no matter how many he eats he would not gain weight, 
but instead he may just break his toilet bowl when he goes to the washroom.

Then there is the terrorist group from Alabama called Alabama-Chabaab. OK, so 
it’s supposed to be Al-Chabaab and not Alabama Chabaab and they are in Somalia 
and not Alabama, but it’s just plain annoying when my smart phone is so dum.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:10 AM
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Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Jonathan,

Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
this is just more of the same.

I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!

Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
young ones relying upon the technology for their education.

Thanks for starting this conversation!

Slainte, Sandy.

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen 
<jmo...@mosen.org<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.
http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
Jonathan Mosen
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mary Otten]

I think these weird pronunciations are tied to the specific speech synthesizer 
in use. Might be wrong, but that's what I think based on observation. I used to 
love pronunciation dictionaries. I spent a long time perfecting the one I had 
for a speech synthesizer in the K-1 thousand program. Then that speech 
synthesizer went away. And I just never got back to it. I think what they 
should do is simply let you see the abbreviation as it is and figured out for 
yourself. Override any speech synthesizer preferences and just give me what is 
written on the page, just like with the sighted people see.
Mary


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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 3:05 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
> 
> I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow 
> me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, 
> I do not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I 
> write a lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO 
> is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are 
> dozens of these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will 
> read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.
> 
> Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
> this is just more of the same.
> 
> I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
> books that I find myself saying  it too!
> 
> Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
> these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
> too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
> life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
> young ones relying upon the technology for their education.
> 
> Thanks for starting this conversation!
> 
> Slainte, Sandy. 
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
>> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
>> blog post.
>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

actually, there is a point: does voice-over behave in the same way across all 
the different English-speaking voices? do they all do the same thing with 
regard to abbreviated acronyms? and what about other languages? I haven't 
noticed the Italian voice doing this with Italian text, but…
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 3 Jun 2016, at 12:10, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
> synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
> still makes me laugh.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> 
>> On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
>> 
>> I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
>> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow 
>> me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the 
>> text, I do not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" 
>> etc. I write a lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian 
>> and VO is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". 
>> There are dozens of these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle 
>> that will read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted 
>> for me.
>> 
>> Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
>> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
>> this is just more of the same.
>> 
>> I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when 
>> reading books that I find myself saying  it too!
>> 
>> Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users 
>> of these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC 
>> screen-readers too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or 
>> Daniel, in real life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a 
>> problem, especially for young ones relying upon the technology for their 
>> education.
>> 
>> Thanks for starting this conversation!
>> 
>> Slainte, Sandy. 
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
>>> conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. 
>>> Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the 
>>> blog post.
>>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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[Afik Sofir]

Oh, its funny…]

 

I'm prefer Karen as my speech synth.

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

 

Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

 

I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

 

Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
this is just more of the same.

 

I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!

 

Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
young ones relying upon the technology for their education.

 

Thanks for starting this conversation!

 

Slainte, Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon


On 2 Jun 2016, at 23:15, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's WWDC 
conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version of iOS. Feel 
free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the comments to the blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Sandy, a big amen to this one. I remember a long time ago, I had a speech 
synthesiser that told me of a place in Israel named "phone number Aviv". It 
still makes me laugh.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 3/06/2016, at 10:05 PM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.
> 
> I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
> the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow 
> me to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, 
> I do not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I 
> write a lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO 
> is speaking in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are 
> dozens of these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will 
> read what is on the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.
> 
> Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
> letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
> this is just more of the same.
> 
> I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
> books that I find myself saying  it too!
> 
> Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
> these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
> too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
> life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Hi Jonathan,

Hope you don't mind me responding here, rather than on your webpage.

I would like to extend the parameters  of your final wish, pertaining to 
the pronunciation dictionary. I would like to see a toggle which would allow me 
to stop VO making smart choices re abbreviations. If "mon" is in the text, I do 
not want to hear "monday". "feat" should not become "featuring" etc. I write a 
lot in Italian, even when the keyboard is set to the Italian and VO is speaking 
in Italian, when I write "tue" I always hear "tuesday". There are dozens of 
these and they drive me mad I would like a toggle that will read what is on 
the screen, exactly as it is and not interpreted for me.

Since IOS 9.3, every word that begins with "no" followed by just one 
letter, so, "not" "now" "nor" "non" and so on, is pronounced as "no" I think 
this is just more of the same.

I have got so used to Daniel saying "number" instead of "no" when reading 
books that I find myself saying  it too!

Finally, although this can be amusing, those of us who are power users of 
these devices can become corrupted by them. This applies to PC screen-readers 
too! I hear other people speaking/pronouncing  like Jaws or Daniel, in real 
life and, in my opinion, this could actually become a problem, especially for 
young ones relying upon the technology for their education.

Thanks for starting this conversation!

Slainte, Sandy. 

sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mário Navarro]

sorry, I meant Your annual  blog post.
cheers.
Às 23:15 de 02/06/2016, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mário Navarro]

Hi Jonathan.
you can allow me to send your wish list for apple accessibility?
It would be very important that apple consider your list.

congratulations Jonathan.
cheers.

Às 23:15 de 02/06/2016, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
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http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mary Otten]

For me the top ones would be the Siri improvements and the file management. I 
would also like to have the voices, and for those who are really dependent on 
braille, I do think the braille support should be improved. It is already much 
better than android, but as noted, that's not saying very much. The thing I 
really want is for them to fix the bug in the email with voiceover on, where 
you get the big pause after hitting reply in a message thread. I can't 
understand why they haven't been able to fix that one yet.
Mary


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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> Good list of ideas. I think the ones I would like to see the most are file 
> management and the ability to install system wide voices. In IOS 7, Apple did 
> allow developers to use the voices that are built in, now they need to allow 
> you to install other voices and have them available for everything including 
> voice over. Both platforms have a lot to offer, but when it comes to 
> flexibility and the ability to customize things, Android is still pretty far 
> ahead.
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>> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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RE: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think as the singlemost important feature I agree that major SIRI 
improvements would be at the top of the list for me.
I am carefully optimistic that we will see that if not this year then next year 
as it is the 10th anniversary of the iPhone and Apple may really try to get 
back the "Wow factor".
I also hope that the article I found on AppleInsider.com will come true and 
this Vocal IQ technology will put SIRI at the top of the pack:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/30/apples-vocaliq-takeover-could-hint-at-siri-upgrades-for-wwdc-and-beyond


Regards,
Sieghard

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Good list of ideas. I think the ones I would like to see the most are file 
management and the ability to install system wide voices. In IOS 7, Apple did 
allow developers to use the voices that are built in, now they need to allow 
you to install other voices and have them available for everything including 
voice over. Both platforms have a lot to offer, but when it comes to 
flexibility and the ability to customize things, Android is still pretty far 
ahead.
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> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Deidre Muccio]

Wow, this was excellent. Sock it to them. Every day I think of something that I 
wish would be improved upon especially the Siri issue with really not being 
able to answer many questions.

Deidre


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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mike Arrigo]

Good list of ideas. I think the ones I would like to see the most are file 
management and the ability to install system wide voices. In IOS 7, Apple did 
allow developers to use the voices that are built in, now they need to allow 
you to install other voices and have them available for everything including 
voice over. Both platforms have a lot to offer, but when it comes to 
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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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