Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:nice essay Jed
I am simply asking ***There is nothing simple about your asking. You led with this statement: As often as I instruct your, you never learn. This stubbornness is a problem that will keep you from true understanding. you how you came to arrive at your opinion. ***I would ask the same of you, but you can look at a volcano and call it an impact crater. You demand explanation within LENR when everyone involved with LENR knows that the phenomena cannot be explained at this time. How did you arrive at your opinion that someone could generate such an opinion, and that they could do so to your satisfaction when you've demonstrated such obtuse reasoning? If such a request offends you ***The request does not offend me. Your original approach offends me and should offend anyone. Consider this to be me as often as I instruct you. then forget this attempt at further communication. ***You call this communication? Your stubbornness is a problem that will keep you from true understanding. On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I am simply asking you how you came to arrive at your opinion. If such a request offends you then forget this attempt at further communication. On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Once again, you're confused. Just because someone can't explain a phenomena (like cold fusion branching) doesn't mean the phenomena doesn't exist. Rocks fell from the sky for centuries before the explanation was ever figured out. Please try to come up to speed on the process of science, especially before you get so touchy in your ignorance. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi's reactor reaches a burn up temperature of 2000C before the refectory outer shell of the reactor melts down. Please explain how this very high white hot temperature can be reached if the heat from LENR is generated from inside the nickel powder. On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:51 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Yes. Perhaps you should come up to speed before going into @$$#0/e mode. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Any references available? On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: You're the one falling for your own bs. You can look at a volcano and call it an impact crater. And it's not only this set of data that points to an under-surface phenomenon. Hagelstein in his recent IAP lectures said that there is not evidence to support the contention that it's a surface phenomenon. You're the one who's lagging in understanding on this issue, no matter how often I instruct you. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: I remember this picture of the volcano. It was found and misrepresented in the Brillouin energy theory document http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS This photo is based on a piece of core from one of Roger Stringham’s sono-fusion devices. You are failing for this propaganda that Brillouin energy is using to support their theory. This is BS. The crater was created by a cavitation bubble which projects a plasma jet that penetrates the surface of the metal to excavate a pit into the metal as seen in the picture you reference.. Yes, the mechanism of cavitation is different from SPP in Ni/H because the SPP is produced on the walls of the collapsing cavitation bubble exterior to the metal and projected onto the nearest surface of metal that is adjacent to the bubble. As often as I instruct your, you never learn. This stubbornness is a problem that will keep you from true understanding. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Right here, Axil: https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg91559.html On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.comwrote: LENR always occurs on the surface of the metal. show me experimental results that contradict this fact. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: That's for deuterium! No one knows what happens with H! Well, I suppose it produces some other gas, probably deuterium. But the point I was trying to make is that only half of the helium emerges. The rest is trapped. So there is no process going on that quickly and forcefully empties out the lattice and replaces all the gas in it. I do not think it is likely that the deuterium is be forced out and replaced, but the helium remains trapped. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
David, the ASR-9 is an airport survellience radar. That is correct about the gain, weather/military doppler radar gains are 45-50 dbi, more focused dishes. The instantaneous pulses are 1,000,000 watts but they are only on for 1/1000 of each second. Does nature average that high power pulse over 1 second like you are doing? And if it does, how does nature do that? Does it induce instantaneous electrical currents? Nature operates at the speed of light, right? A lot goes on in nature in 1/1000 of a second that we don't even see. On Sunday, May 11, 2014, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume. The gain of the antenna may be 34 dB relative to an isotropic radiator. Someone might be thinking of a pulsed Doppler radar which measures the change in transmit frequency of the returning pulses to get target velocity information. That type of radar is not a standard Doppler. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eric.wal...@gmail.com'); To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com'); Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Stewart, I have glanced at your web site. I have not taken a close look at your research, but I would not be surprised if you ended up being onto something about doppler radar being a source of hypoxia, oxygen free radicals and the death of nearby animal and plant life. You also have a theory of dark matter, and a hunch that dark matter is indirectly responsible for the conclusions concerning doppler radar that you arrive at in your informal research. On the connection to dark matter, I personally have no opinion. I am skeptical, however, that your research is sufficient to establish any kind of linkage between the effects of doppler radar and dark matter, however. In light of this doubt, I think you might be able to get your investigation into doppler radar out to a wider audience if you did not combine it with the question of dark matter. Adding dark matter into the mix asks too much of people in their suspension of disbelief for them to be able to give much credibility to your doppler radar hunch, even if both hunches ended up being true. Eric On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:55 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote: Radar/Call SignMHTModel ASR-9Max Pulsed Power (Watts)1,300,000Gain (dBi) 34Frequency (MHz)2,800RPM12.5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 10.39Pulse Duration(uSec)1.00Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)1,000Range Est. (Miles)60 Latitude42.937248 Longitude-71.437286FIPS33011CountyHillsboroughStateNH
Re: [Vo]:Scientists discover nickel-eating plant species
Whenever I see these types of organic metal sequestration I wonder if nature is attempting to evolve a zero point adjunct to photosynthesis – it would certainly be a Darwinian advantage for a species to be less dependent on solar to survive long periods of overcast and lower temps. The idea of organic geometries grown to oppose stiction forces would probably pale in comparison to leaching out softer metals in the metal alloys forming a skeletal catalyst but modest activity combined with the chemical storehouse biology bestows upon organic life might provide a modest anomaly on a 24/7 basis. Fran From: John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:52 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Scientists discover nickel-eating plant species So, it could be a good way to remove nickel pollution... OR if it is doing some biological transmutation maybe it is making nickle... On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com wrote: A new plant species with an unusual lifestyle – it eats nickel for a living – has been discovered, according to a recent study. Scientists from the University of the Philippines, Los Baños have discovered Rinorea niccolifera, a plant species that accumulates up to 18,000 ppm of the metal in its leaves without poisoning itself, according to Edwino Fernando, lead author of the report and professor, said in a statement. http://canadajournal.net/science/scientists-discover-nickel-eating-plant-species-7752-2014/
[Vo]:Nickel and Palladium prices
For a number of reasons, nickel has surged 41 per cent in London trading this year. It is still below historic highs. http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/nickel/ Some of that price gain is supply related, but given the impending announcement of Rossi (hopefully positive), demand pressure could continue to push the price higher. Nickel is also used in lithium ion batteries and with Tesla's giga-factory adding to demand - more upward pressure. Speculators will magnify this trend. Yet - Palladium is at $863/oz and nickel is about ~$9/pound. The price difference is a ratio of about 1500:1 by weight. Since Mizuno's recent positive testing uses deuterium with nickel, then as a future trend we may be seeing the demise of palladium as having much of a viable role in LENR, except possibly as a few percent in an alloy or as a surface plating. The reasoning is that if deuterium works well with nickel electrodes, as Mizuno indicates - then why would anyone want to pay hundreds of times more for palladium? It may not work as well, much less better. However, there is evidence that an alloy of 90%Ni and 10%Pd is superior to nickel alone. Even if the price of nickel doubles, relative to Pd, it will still be 750 times cheaper by weight. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Palladium prices
I really don't think the mainstream investor has even heard about Rossi, much less they are likely to take him seriously. 2014-05-12 10:41 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: For a number of reasons, nickel has surged 41 per cent in London trading this year. It is still below historic highs. http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/nickel/ -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more power density @ 10 km than an ASR-9 radar. Radar/Call SignFFCModelWSR-88DMax Pulsed Power (Watts)100Gain (dBi)45.5Frequency (MHz)2,850.0RPM6.0Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km112.9Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.6Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)800Range Est. (Miles)143Latitude33.36358856 Longitude-84.56607328FIPS13113CountyFayetteStateGAComments/SourceUpgraded to Dual Pol in 2010-2012 These are the Airport TDWR Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (There are ~ 50 of these in service) TDWR 5615 MHzModelTDWRMax Pulsed Power (Watts)250,000Gain (dBi)50Frequency (MHz)5,575RPM5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km79.58Pulse Duration(uSec)1.1Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)2000Range Est. (Miles)56Latitude33.64659872Longitude -84.26191362FIPS13151CountyHenryStateGA On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume. The gain of the antenna may be 34 dB relative to an isotropic radiator. Someone might be thinking of a pulsed Doppler radar which measures the change in transmit frequency of the returning pulses to get target velocity information. That type of radar is not a standard Doppler. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Stewart, I have glanced at your web site. I have not taken a close look at your research, but I would not be surprised if you ended up being onto something about doppler radar being a source of hypoxia, oxygen free radicals and the death of nearby animal and plant life. You also have a theory of dark matter, and a hunch that dark matter is indirectly responsible for the conclusions concerning doppler radar that you arrive at in your informal research. On the connection to dark matter, I personally have no opinion. I am skeptical, however, that your research is sufficient to establish any kind of linkage between the effects of doppler radar and dark matter, however. In light of this doubt, I think you might be able to get your investigation into doppler radar out to a wider audience if you did not combine it with the question of dark matter. Adding dark matter into the mix asks too much of people in their suspension of disbelief for them to be able to give much credibility to your doppler radar hunch, even if both hunches ended up being true. Eric On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:55 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Radar/Call SignMHTModel ASR-9Max Pulsed Power (Watts)1,300,000Gain (dBi) 34Frequency (MHz)2,800RPM12.5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 10.39Pulse Duration(uSec)1.00Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)1,000Range Est. (Miles)60 Latitude42.937248 Longitude-71.437286FIPS33011CountyHillsboroughStateNH
RE: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
From: ChemE Stewart …The instantaneous pulses are 1,000,000 watts but they are only on for 1/1000 of each second. Does nature average that high power pulse over 1 second like you are doing? And if it does, how does nature do that? Yes, this is the counter argument to wireless transmission of substantial energy. For there to be substantial gain, there must exist something like a superluminal component to the wave. Curiously in 2011, Steve Jackson held a presentation and demonstration of a scalar wave transmitter and receiver at a local IEEE meeting at McMaster University in Ontario. This is where the Zimmerman invention was conceived, but they could be talking about different things. Here is the URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=SxZKqhDQujk Jackson demonstrated a small electric fan attached to a scalar wave receiver powered by a transmitter over twenty feet away. No glaring anomaly there but the Zimmerman receiver is different, more like Tesla’s, and the Manelas receiver is far different and more like Zimmerman’s. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Palladium prices
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't think the mainstream investor has even heard about Rossi, much less they are likely to take him seriously. I agree. Investors do not take any form of cold fusion seriously. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
David, This is what I have in mind. http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/25/do-as-the-romans-do-did-done/ You will notice that the Autism cluster in the LA area is the high rent district on the elevated hillsides. I believe they are getting swept by more direct microwave radiation. Every cluster from the UC Davis Study has multiple microwave weather, FAA and/or military radars in the area. Many of the clusters are either on hillsides or surrounded by mountains that REFLECT microwaves. Stewart On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:50 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more power density @ 10 km than an ASR-9 radar. Radar/Call SignFFC ModelWSR-88DMax Pulsed Power (Watts)100Gain (dBi) 45.5Frequency (MHz)2,850.0RPM6.0Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 112.9Pulse Duration(uSec)1.6Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)800Range Est. (Miles)143 Latitude33.36358856 Longitude-84.56607328FIPS13113CountyFayetteStateGA Comments/SourceUpgraded to Dual Pol in 2010-2012 These are the Airport TDWR Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (There are ~ 50 of these in service) TDWR 5615 MHzModelTDWRMax Pulsed Power (Watts)250,000Gain (dBi)50Frequency (MHz)5,575 RPM5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km79.58Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.1Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)2000Range Est. (Miles) 56Latitude33.64659872 Longitude-84.26191362FIPS13151CountyHenryStateGA On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume. The gain of the antenna may be 34 dB relative to an isotropic radiator. Someone might be thinking of a pulsed Doppler radar which measures the change in transmit frequency of the returning pulses to get target velocity information. That type of radar is not a standard Doppler. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Stewart, I have glanced at your web site. I have not taken a close look at your research, but I would not be surprised if you ended up being onto something about doppler radar being a source of hypoxia, oxygen free radicals and the death of nearby animal and plant life. You also have a theory of dark matter, and a hunch that dark matter is indirectly responsible for the conclusions concerning doppler radar that you arrive at in your informal research. On the connection to dark matter, I personally have no opinion. I am skeptical, however, that your research is sufficient to establish any kind of linkage between the effects of doppler radar and dark matter, however. In light of this doubt, I think you might be able to get your investigation into doppler radar out to a wider audience if you did not combine it with the question of dark matter. Adding dark matter into the mix asks too much of people in their suspension of disbelief for them to be able to give much credibility to your doppler radar hunch, even if both hunches ended up being true. Eric On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:55 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comwrote: Radar/Call SignMHTModel ASR-9Max Pulsed Power (Watts)1,300,000Gain (dBi)34Frequency (MHz)2,800RPM12.5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 10.39Pulse Duration(uSec)1.00Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)1,000Range Est. (Miles)60 Latitude42.937248 Longitude-71.437286FIPS33011CountyHillsboroughStateNH
RE: [Vo]:Nickel and Palladium prices
Well… history disagrees with you… “Shortly after Pons and Fleischmann claimed in a March ‘89 press conference that by electrolyzing heavy water using a palladium cathode - they achieved nuclear fusion at room temperature, the price of palladium on the commodities market soared from about $120 per troy ounce to over $180.” That was a 50% increase in a matter of day… From: Jed Rothwell Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't think the mainstream investor has even heard about Rossi, much less they are likely to take him seriously. I agree. Investors do not take any form of cold fusion seriously. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal. Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be demonstrated. The skin effect also comes into consideration at the high RF frequencies which tends to reduce penetration of the signal into the target. Better conductivity of the material decreases the dept rapidly. A true Doppler radar would have the full heating effect due to the RF maximum power level as long as the antenna pattern illuminates the target you are considering. Also, the pulsed radar pattern of the radar mentioned impacts upon your desired target for a small portion of the dish rotation time. The average target heating must be adjusted accordingly. I do not understand the nature of the damage that you are considering with your research. If it is associated with the average heating as with a microwave oven then the pulse duty cycle, etc. needs to be integrated into the equations. My comments earlier were directed toward clarifying the difference between a true Doppler radar and a more of less standard pulsed system. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 7:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, the ASR-9 is an airport survellience radar. That is correct about the gain, weather/military doppler radar gains are 45-50 dbi, more focused dishes. The instantaneous pulses are 1,000,000 watts but they are only on for 1/1000 of each second. Does nature average that high power pulse over 1 second like you are doing? And if it does, how does nature do that? Does it induce instantaneous electrical currents? Nature operates at the speed of light, right? A lot goes on in nature in 1/1000 of a second that we don't even see. On Sunday, May 11, 2014, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume. The gain of the antenna may be 34 dB relative to an isotropic radiator. Someone might be thinking of a pulsed Doppler radar which measures the change in transmit frequency of the returning pulses to get target velocity information. That type of radar is not a standard Doppler. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Stewart, I have glanced at your web site. I have not taken a close look at your research, but I would not be surprised if you ended up being onto something about doppler radar being a source of hypoxia, oxygen free radicals and the death of nearby animal and plant life. You also have a theory of dark matter, and a hunch that dark matter is indirectly responsible for the conclusions concerning doppler radar that you arrive at in your informal research. On the connection to dark matter, I personally have no opinion. I am skeptical, however, that your research is sufficient to establish any kind of linkage between the effects of doppler radar and dark matter, however. In light of this doubt, I think you might be able to get your investigation into doppler radar out to a wider audience if you did not combine it with the question of dark matter. Adding dark matter into the mix asks too much of people in their suspension of disbelief for them to be able to give much credibility to your doppler radar hunch, even if both hunches ended up being true. Eric On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:55 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Radar/Call Sign MHT Model ASR-9 Max Pulsed Power (Watts) 1,300,000 Gain (dBi) 34 Frequency (MHz) 2,800 RPM 12.5 Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 10.39 Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.00 Pulse Repition Factor (Hz) 1,000 Range Est. (Miles) 60 Latitude 42.937248 Longitude -71.437286 FIPS 33011 County Hillsborough State NH
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
David, It is not heating. It is the electromagnetic discharge of the instantaneous pulses of microwave radiation. Cell towers are typically 20,000 to 50,000 watts. Read this letter http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/us_doi_comments.pdf Radiation Impacts and Categorical Exclusions There is a growing level of anecdotal evidence linking effects of non-thermal, non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation from communication towers on nesting and roosting wild birds and other wildlife in the U.S. Independent, third-party studies have yet to be conducted in the U.S. or Canada, although a peer-reviewed research protocol developed for the U.S. Forest Service by the Service's Division of Migratory Bird Management is available to study both collision and radiation impacts (Manville 2002). As previously mentioned, Balmori (2005) found strong negative correlations between levels of tower-emitted microwave radiation and bird breeding, nesting, and roosting in the vicinity of electromagnetic fields in Spain. He documented nest and site abandonment, plumage deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship, and death in House Sparrows, White Storks, Rock Doves, Magpies, Collared Doves, and other species. Though these species had historically been documented to roost and nest in these areas, Balmori (2005) did not observe these symptoms prior to construction and operation of the cellular phone towers. Balmori and Hallberg (2007) and Everaert and Bauwens (2007) found similar strong negative correlations among male House Sparrows. Under laboratory 'conditions, DiCarlo et al. (2002) raised troubling concerns about impacts of low-level, non-thermal electromagnetic radiation from the standard 915 MHz cell phone frequency on domestic chicken embryos- with some lethal results (Manville 2009). *Given the findings of the studies mentioned above, field studies should be **conducted in North America to validate potential impacts of communication tower radiation both direct and indirect - to migratory birds and other trust wildlife species.* 50-100 times the normal incidence of motor-neuron/ALS around the Guam radar station http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/04/guilefulguamguano/ The motor neuron diseases (MNDs) are a group of progressive neurological disorders that destroy motor neurons, the cells that control essential voluntary muscle activity such as speaking, walking, breathing, and swallowing. Normally, messages from nerve cells in the brain (called *upper motor neurons*) are transmitted to nerve cells in the brain stem and spinal cord (called *lower motor neurons*) and from them to particular muscles. Upper motor neurons direct the lower motor neurons to produce movements such as walking or chewing. Lower motor neurons control movement in the arms, legs, chest, face, throat, and tongue. Spinal motor neurons are also called anterior horn cells. Upper motor neurons are also called corticospinal neurons. When there are disruptions in the signals between the lowest motor neurons and the muscle, the muscles do not work properly; the muscles gradually weaken and may begin wasting away and develop uncontrollable twitching (called*fasciculations*). When there are disruptions in the signals between the upper motor neurons and the lower motor neurons, the limb muscles develop stiffness (called *spasticity*), movements become slow and effortful, and tendon reflexes such as knee and ankle jerks become overactive. Over time, the ability to control voluntary movement can be lost. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal. Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be demonstrated. The skin effect also comes into consideration at the high RF frequencies which tends to reduce penetration of the signal into the target. Better conductivity of the material decreases the dept rapidly. A true Doppler radar would have the full heating effect due to the RF maximum power level as long as the antenna pattern illuminates the target you are considering. Also, the pulsed radar pattern of the radar mentioned impacts upon your desired target for a small portion of the dish rotation time. The average target heating must be adjusted accordingly. I do not understand the nature of the damage that you are considering with your research. If it is associated with the average heating as with a microwave oven then the pulse duty cycle, etc. needs to be integrated into the equations. My comments earlier were
RE: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Thanks, interesting data -- however -- I'm an electrical engineer and have worked in this field for 50 years, sometimes around high power RF sources from kHz to GHz and I can still speak ( much to dismay of some :-) ). Furthermore, I have a few acquaintances who have worked around microwave systems, in fact some said they used to stand in front of radar transmitter antennas to get warm in the winter, and they seem ok, but I have no real data to back up their health now. I don't carry a cell phone often, though. I'd guess that if you ingest enough anti-oxidants and singlet oxygen quenchers, you'd be ok. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 8:17 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, It is not heating. It is the electromagnetic discharge of the instantaneous pulses of microwave radiation. Cell towers are typically 20,000 to 50,000 watts. Read this letter http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/us_doi_comments.pdf Radiation Impacts and Categorical Exclusions There is a growing level of anecdotal evidence linking effects of non-thermal, non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation from communication towers on nesting and roosting wild birds and other wildlife in the U.S. Independent, third-party studies have yet to be conducted in the U.S. or Canada, although a peer-reviewed research protocol developed for the U.S. Forest Service by the Service's Division of Migratory Bird Management is available to study both collision and radiation impacts (Manville 2002). As previously mentioned, Balmori (2005) found strong negative correlations between levels of tower-emitted microwave radiation and bird breeding, nesting, and roosting in the vicinity of electromagnetic fields in Spain. He documented nest and site abandonment, plumage deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship, and death in House Sparrows, White Storks, Rock Doves, Magpies, Collared Doves, and other species. Though these species had historically been documented to roost and nest in these areas, Balmori (2005) did not observe these symptoms prior to construction and operation of the cellular phone towers. Balmori and Hallberg (2007) and Everaert and Bauwens (2007) found similar strong negative correlations among male House Sparrows. Under laboratory 'conditions, DiCarlo et al. (2002) raised troubling concerns about impacts of low-level, non-thermal electromagnetic radiation from the standard 915 MHz cell phone frequency on domestic chicken embryos- with some lethal results (Manville 2009). Given the findings of the studies mentioned above, field studies should be conducted in North America to validate potential impacts of communication tower radiation both direct and indirect - to migratory birds and other trust wildlife species. 50-100 times the normal incidence of motor-neuron/ALS around the Guam radar station --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Much depends upon how your mechanism causes the harm. If heat is the problem, then the average power is important. Microwave cooking depends upon heating to prepare the meal. The instantaneous peak power might be able to ignite a fast acting explosive material or cause a bulb to ionize, but the average energy is what is detected by the radar receiving system. When you perform your analysis of the damage due to radar transmitters, are you able to determine how well centered the effect is about the device? Another consideration is that the antenna pattern is generally directed above the ground level for a large distance. Many folks have expressed deep concern for the effects of cellular radio towers due to misunderstandings about radio power levels. It is generally easy to worry about issues that involves black magic when dealing with the public since people tend to seek simple explanations to their perceived problems especially when random events seem to defy understanding. ChemE, I have no idea about how well you have performed your analysis of the radar environmental damages that you are following. I assume that you have also included research which would prove that the lack of a tower always shows none of the degradation expected due to RF. What is the signal to noise level that you are working with? Are you confident that you could take a random sample of sites, some with radars and some without, and pick the active ones every time? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more power density @ 10 km than an ASR-9 radar. Radar/Call Sign FFC Model WSR-88D Max Pulsed Power (Watts) 100 Gain (dBi) 45.5 Frequency (MHz) 2,850.0 RPM 6.0 Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 112.9 Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.6 Pulse Repition Factor (Hz) 800 Range Est. (Miles) 143 Latitude 33.36358856 Longitude -84.56607328 FIPS 13113 County Fayette State GA Comments/Source Upgraded to Dual Pol in 2010-2012 These are the Airport TDWR Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (There are ~ 50 of these in service) TDWR 5615 MHz Model TDWR Max Pulsed Power (Watts) 250,000 Gain (dBi) 50 Frequency (MHz) 5,575 RPM 5 Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 79.58 Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.1 Pulse Repition Factor (Hz) 2000 Range Est. (Miles) 56 Latitude 33.64659872 Longitude -84.26191362 FIPS 13151 County Henry State GA On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume. The gain of the antenna may be 34 dB relative to an isotropic radiator. Someone might be thinking of a pulsed Doppler radar which measures the change in transmit frequency of the returning pulses to get target velocity information. That type of radar is not a standard Doppler. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Stewart, I have glanced at your web site. I have not taken a close look at your research, but I would not be surprised if you ended up being onto something about doppler radar being a source of hypoxia, oxygen free radicals and the death of nearby animal and plant life. You also have a theory of dark matter, and a hunch that dark matter is indirectly responsible for the conclusions concerning doppler radar that you arrive at in your informal research. On the connection to dark matter, I personally have no opinion. I am skeptical, however, that your research is sufficient to establish any kind of linkage between the effects of doppler radar and dark matter, however. In light of this doubt, I think you might be able to get your investigation into doppler radar out to a wider audience if you did not combine it with
[Vo]:On the Industrial Heat China Connection
Franck Acland discusses a news article found by AlainCo on the activities of Industrial Heat in China. The article explicitly used the term cold fusion. On the Industrial Heat China Connection http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/12/on-the-industrial-heat-china-connection/ Harry
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ChemE, You need to research these systems. Each transmitter is far lower than the powers you list and they are not correlated in time or frequency. From what I recall the dangers associated with this type of radiation has never been shown to be significant. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 11:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, It is not heating. It is the electromagnetic discharge of the instantaneous pulses of microwave radiation. Cell towers are typically 20,000 to 50,000 watts. Read this letter http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/us_doi_comments.pdf Radiation Impacts and Categorical Exclusions There is a growing level of anecdotal evidence linking effects of non-thermal, non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation from communication towers on nesting and roosting wild birds and other wildlife in the U.S. Independent, third-party studies have yet to be conducted in the U.S. or Canada, although a peer-reviewed research protocol developed for the U.S. Forest Service by the Service's Division of Migratory Bird Management is available to study both collision and radiation impacts (Manville 2002). As previously mentioned, Balmori (2005) found strong negative correlations between levels of tower-emitted microwave radiation and bird breeding, nesting, and roosting in the vicinity of electromagnetic fields in Spain. He documented nest and site abandonment, plumage deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship, and death in House Sparrows, White Storks, Rock Doves, Magpies, Collared Doves, and other species. Though these species had historically been documented to roost and nest in these areas, Balmori (2005) did not observe these symptoms prior to construction and operation of the cellular phone towers. Balmori and Hallberg (2007) and Everaert and Bauwens (2007) found similar strong negative correlations among male House Sparrows. Under laboratory 'conditions, DiCarlo et al. (2002) raised troubling concerns about impacts of low-level, non-thermal electromagnetic radiation from the standard 915 MHz cell phone frequency on domestic chicken embryos- with some lethal results (Manville 2009). Given the findings of the studies mentioned above, field studies should be conducted in North America to validate potential impacts of communication tower radiation both direct and indirect - to migratory birds and other trust wildlife species. 50-100 times the normal incidence of motor-neuron/ALS around the Guam radar station http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/04/guilefulguamguano/ The motor neuron diseases (MNDs) are a group of progressive neurological disorders that destroy motor neurons, the cells that control essential voluntary muscle activity such as speaking, walking, breathing, and swallowing. Normally, messages from nerve cells in the brain (called upper motor neurons) are transmitted to nerve cells in the brain stem and spinal cord (called lower motor neurons) and from them to particular muscles. Upper motor neurons direct the lower motor neurons to produce movements such as walking or chewing. Lower motor neurons control movement in the arms, legs, chest, face, throat, and tongue. Spinal motor neurons are also called anterior horn cells. Upper motor neurons are also called corticospinal neurons. When there are disruptions in the signals between the lowest motor neurons and the muscle, the muscles do not work properly; the muscles gradually weaken and may begin wasting away and develop uncontrollable twitching (calledfasciculations). When there are disruptions in the signals between the upper motor neurons and the lower motor neurons, the limb muscles develop stiffness (called spasticity), movements become slow and effortful, and tendon reflexes such as knee and ankle jerks become overactive. Over time, the ability to control voluntary movement can be lost. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal. Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be demonstrated. The skin effect also comes into consideration at the high RF frequencies which tends to reduce penetration of the signal into the target. Better conductivity of the material decreases the dept rapidly. A true Doppler radar would have the full heating effect due to the RF maximum power level as long as the antenna pattern illuminates
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It is time to get beyond heating as the only way for brain damage to occur. If the brain functions like an electrical communication network, then it is possible to disrupt the network by means that don't require heating. Harry On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Much depends upon how your mechanism causes the harm. If heat is the problem, then the average power is important. Microwave cooking depends upon heating to prepare the meal. The instantaneous peak power might be able to ignite a fast acting explosive material or cause a bulb to ionize, but the average energy is what is detected by the radar receiving system. When you perform your analysis of the damage due to radar transmitters, are you able to determine how well centered the effect is about the device? Another consideration is that the antenna pattern is generally directed above the ground level for a large distance. Many folks have expressed deep concern for the effects of cellular radio towers due to misunderstandings about radio power levels. It is generally easy to worry about issues that involves black magic when dealing with the public since people tend to seek simple explanations to their perceived problems especially when random events seem to defy understanding. ChemE, I have no idea about how well you have performed your analysis of the radar environmental damages that you are following. I assume that you have also included research which would prove that the lack of a tower always shows none of the degradation expected due to RF. What is the signal to noise level that you are working with? Are you confident that you could take a random sample of sites, some with radars and some without, and pick the active ones every time? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more power density @ 10 km than an ASR-9 radar. Radar/Call SignFFC ModelWSR-88DMax Pulsed Power (Watts)100Gain (dBi) 45.5Frequency (MHz)2,850.0RPM6.0Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 112.9Pulse Duration(uSec)1.6Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)800Range Est. (Miles)143 Latitude33.36358856 Longitude-84.56607328FIPS13113CountyFayetteStateGA Comments/SourceUpgraded to Dual Pol in 2010-2012 These are the Airport TDWR Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (There are ~ 50 of these in service) TDWR 5615 MHzModelTDWRMax Pulsed Power (Watts)250,000Gain (dBi)50Frequency (MHz)5,575 RPM5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km79.58Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.1Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)2000Range Est. (Miles) 56Latitude33.64659872 Longitude-84.26191362FIPS13151CountyHenryStateGA On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: The specifications for the radar system below are typical of a pulsed radar system and not what I would expect from a standard Doppler radar. The duty cycle appears to be .1% for the unit listed whereas a Doppler radar is CW. The average power is 1300 watts of RF into the antenna, I assume. The gain of the antenna may be 34 dB relative to an isotropic radiator. Someone might be thinking of a pulsed Doppler radar which measures the change in transmit frequency of the returning pulses to get target velocity information. That type of radar is not a standard Doppler. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 9:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Stewart, I have glanced at your web site. I have not taken a close look at your research, but I would not be surprised if you ended up being onto something about doppler radar being a source of hypoxia, oxygen free radicals and the death of nearby animal and plant life. You also have a theory of dark matter, and a hunch that dark matter is indirectly responsible for the conclusions concerning doppler radar that you arrive at in your informal research. On the connection to dark matter, I personally have no opinion. I am skeptical, however, that your research is sufficient to establish any kind
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Dave-- One possible effect is the resonant absorbtion of radiation by biologically active molecules, which cause ionization and destruction of the molecules. This is particularly damaging when the molecule is a DNA or RNA molecule. Weak H bonds occur in these molecules and such destruction leads to modified DNA or RNA activity. The average heating idea also is appropriate, however it is not as much as a problem as the destruction or disabling of the large molecules that control the body's production of other complex molecules. DNA in skin and eye cells would be more susceptible than those more deeply situated in the body. Reproductive organs near the surface of the body are more venerable to such radiation and hence to genetic changes that are passed on to offspring. Such a problem applies to humans as well a smaller animals and birds that have the least amount of shielding of their gonads. The other issue associated with DNA destruction could be the stimulated emission of tritium by the exposure to the intense radiation of the radars. Tritium is a bad actor when it decays in a nucleus of a cell. The beta from the tritium is about 18 Kev. This energy is deposited over a path of about 6 microns. The average dimension of a cell nucleus is about 6 to 10 microns. This means a large fraction of the beta from tritium decay is deposited in the nucleus where it is bound to cause numerous double breaks of DNA molecules and the genetic damage that goes along with these breaks. Such mutagenic effects were observed in the vole population around Chernobyl after the nuclear accident as a result of tritium contamination in the drinking water consumed by the vole population. (Considering the damage to gene cells of the body, the EPA drinking water standard for tritium, 20,000 pico curies per liter, is way to high (about 100 times) to prevent unreasonable damage to gene cells. Small breeding populations of animals, including some populations of humans, can be unreasonably affected by such high bodily tritium concentrations as allowed by the current standards. The justification by the EPA and the ICRP that any defects in the genetics passed on to the society get greatly diluted to reduce risk, does not apply to small breeding populations. And of course, if you are one in a million of the people at risk that develop a health problem that is non-mutagenic , it does not help you at all.) I am one to believe that there should be no risk to vertebrates, except birds, existing around hazards that causes more than one health effect of the population subjected to the hazard. Important insects such as bees should be included in this no risk criteria. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal. Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be demonstrated. The skin effect also comes into consideration at the high RF frequencies which tends to reduce penetration of the signal into the target. Better conductivity of the material decreases the dept rapidly. A true Doppler radar would have the full heating effect due to the RF maximum power level as long as the antenna pattern illuminates the target you are considering. Also, the pulsed radar pattern of the radar mentioned impacts upon your desired target for a small portion of the dish rotation time. The average target heating must be adjusted accordingly. I do not understand the nature of the damage that you are considering with your research. If it is associated with the average heating as with a microwave oven then the pulse duty cycle, etc. needs to be integrated into the equations. My comments earlier were directed toward clarifying the difference between a true Doppler radar and a more of less standard pulsed system. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 7:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, the ASR-9 is an airport survellience radar. That is correct about the gain, weather/military doppler radar gains are 45-50 dbi, more focused dishes. The instantaneous pulses are 1,000,000 watts but they are only on for 1/1000 of each second. Does nature average that high power pulse over 1 second like you are doing? And if it does, how does nature do that?
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Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Well… history disagrees with you… “Shortly after Pons and Fleischmann claimed in a March ‘89 press conference that by electrolyzing heavy water using a palladium cathode - they achieved nuclear fusion at room temperature, the price of palladium on the commodities market soared from about $120 per troy ounce to over $180.” Yes, there was that one-time effect, but nothing like that has happened since then. Cold fusion was quickly dismissed by leading scientists and by the mass media. It has not been in the news much since then. As I said at ICCF17, there is latent support for it, and more people know about than you might think, despite the mass media. See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJthefuturem.pdf - Jed
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David, I have been researching these radars for approx. 1 year and diseased biology for 1 1/2 years. When you converted that instantaneous high power pulse to a one second average you are basically confusing power with energy, which is WRONG. If it was correct then why not operate your radar continuously at an average power of 1500 watts? BECAUSE THEY WON'T work. As far as I can tell you have done very little research. If you really want to do some and not just talk like a radio guy, I suggest you read the following and the referenced research papers, many peer reviewed. This: http://www.scopemed.org/?jft=65ft=65-1394615302#abstract And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/05/03/power-to-the-people/ http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/13/autism-emf/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/13/its-the-same-frequency-range-why-would-you-expect-the-results-to-be-different/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/ And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fish-kills-statistics.png And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/05/quick-everybody-rush-to-florida/ And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/24/a-shocking-discovery/ And also look at the 300 hundred or so epidemiology maps I have placed on my blog and the 900 posts over the past two years and then get back to me OK?? I am just wondering why 1/68 kids in the US now have autism, 50 million people in the US now have an auto-immune disease and all of our f^%ing wildlife is suffering AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHY Oh, and read this and get back to me in a month, once you have actually done some of your own research, OK? [image: Doppler Radar] On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ChemE, You need to research these systems. Each transmitter is far lower than the powers you list and they are not correlated in time or frequency. From what I recall the dangers associated with this type of radiation has never been shown to be significant. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 11:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, It is not heating. It is the electromagnetic discharge of the instantaneous pulses of microwave radiation. Cell towers are typically 20,000 to 50,000 watts. Read this letter http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/us_doi_comments.pdf Radiation Impacts and Categorical Exclusions There is a growing level of anecdotal evidence linking effects of non-thermal, non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation from communication towers on nesting and roosting wild birds and other wildlife in the U.S. Independent, third-party studies have yet to be conducted in the U.S. or Canada, although a peer-reviewed research protocol developed for the U.S. Forest Service by the Service's Division of Migratory Bird Management is available to study both collision and radiation impacts (Manville 2002). As previously mentioned, Balmori (2005) found strong negative correlations between levels of tower-emitted microwave radiation and bird breeding, nesting, and roosting in the vicinity of electromagnetic fields in Spain. He documented nest and site abandonment, plumage deterioration, locomotion problems, reduced survivorship, and death in House Sparrows, White Storks, Rock Doves, Magpies, Collared Doves, and other species. Though these species had historically been documented to roost and nest in these areas, Balmori (2005) did not observe these symptoms prior to construction and operation of the cellular phone towers. Balmori and Hallberg (2007) and Everaert and Bauwens (2007) found similar strong negative correlations among male House Sparrows. Under laboratory 'conditions, DiCarlo et al. (2002) raised troubling concerns about impacts of low-level, non-thermal electromagnetic radiation from the standard 915 MHz cell phone frequency on domestic chicken embryos- with some lethal results (Manville 2009). *Given the findings of the studies mentioned above, field studies should be **conducted in North America to validate potential impacts of communication tower radiation both direct and indirect - to migratory birds and other trust wildlife species.* 50-100 times the normal incidence of motor-neuron/ALS around the Guam radar station http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/04/guilefulguamguano/ The motor neuron diseases (MNDs) are a group of progressive neurological disorders that destroy motor neurons, the cells that control essential voluntary muscle activity such as speaking, walking, breathing, and swallowing. Normally, messages from nerve cells in the brain (called *upper motor neurons*) are transmitted to nerve cells in the brain stem and spinal cord (called *lower motor neurons*) and from them to particular muscles. Upper motor
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ChemE, You can operate the radar at that power level in a continuous mode and it does work. The pulse mode has several advantages since reception can take place during the time that the transmitter stands by and offers no interference. Check out the RADAR range equation and you will see that it is based upon average power and not peak. This is because many pulses are averaged together from a target to allow the noise to be reduced. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! You are correct in assuming that I have not spent time researching the subject that you are most interested in and therefore I can not comment upon how you carried out the research to make your conclusions. I just caution you to use the proper control techniques to ensure accuracy, especially when your observations appear to conflict with most others. If you have an opportunity I would like to have one question answered so that I might become more interested in your research. Can you clearly show that a random location can be analyzed by your technique and the correct decision made as to whether or not a transmitter is located there? In other words, are there false positives or false negatives? My plate if fairly full at the moment and I have to restrict the subjects that I can follow. If you have followed proper controls and the effect remains well above the noise I will find time to study your ideas as it become available. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, I have been researching these radars for approx. 1 year and diseased biology for 1 1/2 years. When you converted that instantaneous high power pulse to a one second average you are basically confusing power with energy, which is WRONG. If it was correct then why not operate your radar continuously at an average power of 1500 watts? BECAUSE THEY WON'T work. As far as I can tell you have done very little research. If you really want to do some and not just talk like a radio guy, I suggest you read the following and the referenced research papers, many peer reviewed. This: http://www.scopemed.org/?jft=65ft=65-1394615302#abstract And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/05/03/power-to-the-people/ http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/13/autism-emf/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/13/its-the-same-frequency-range-why-would-you-expect-the-results-to-be-different/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/ And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fish-kills-statistics.png And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/05/quick-everybody-rush-to-florida/ And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/24/a-shocking-discovery/ And also look at the 300 hundred or so epidemiology maps I have placed on my blog and the 900 posts over the past two years and then get back to me OK?? I am just wondering why 1/68 kids in the US now have autism, 50 million people in the US now have an auto-immune disease and all of our f^%ing wildlife is suffering AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHY Oh, and read this and get back to me in a month, once you have actually done some of your own research, OK? On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ChemE, You need to research these systems. Each transmitter is far lower than the powers you list and they are not correlated in time or frequency. From what I recall the dangers associated with this type of radiation has never been shown to be significant. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 11:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, It is not heating. It is the electromagnetic discharge of the instantaneous pulses of microwave radiation. Cell towers are typically 20,000 to 50,000 watts. Read this letter http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/us_doi_comments.pdf Radiation Impacts and Categorical Exclusions There is a growing level of anecdotal evidence linking effects of non-thermal, non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation from communication towers on nesting and roosting wild birds and other wildlife in the U.S. Independent, third-party studies have yet to be conducted in the U.S. or Canada, although a peer-reviewed research protocol developed for the U.S. Forest Service by the Service's Division of Migratory Bird Management is available to study both collision and radiation impacts (Manville 2002). As previously mentioned, Balmori (2005) found strong negative correlations between levels of tower-emitted microwave
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I agree, I believe we are bioelectrochemical beings of frequency. MS, which is another autoimmune disease, clustered on the Faroe Islands the same time when the Allies installed military microwave radars. http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/06/i-am-faroely-certain-its-the-microwave-radars/ Too many coincidences. On Monday, May 12, 2014, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It is time to get beyond heating as the only way for brain damage to occur. If the brain functions like an electrical communication network, then it is possible to disrupt the network by means that don't require heating. Harry On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Much depends upon how your mechanism causes the harm. If heat is the problem, then the average power is important. Microwave cooking depends upon heating to prepare the meal. The instantaneous peak power might be able to ignite a fast acting explosive material or cause a bulb to ionize, but the average energy is what is detected by the radar receiving system. When you perform your analysis of the damage due to radar transmitters, are you able to determine how well centered the effect is about the device? Another consideration is that the antenna pattern is generally directed above the ground level for a large distance. Many folks have expressed deep concern for the effects of cellular radio towers due to misunderstandings about radio power levels. It is generally easy to worry about issues that involves black magic when dealing with the public since people tend to seek simple explanations to their perceived problems especially when random events seem to defy understanding. ChemE, I have no idea about how well you have performed your analysis of the radar environmental damages that you are following. I assume that you have also included research which would prove that the lack of a tower always shows none of the degradation expected due to RF. What is the signal to noise level that you are working with? Are you confident that you could take a random sample of sites, some with radars and some without, and pick the active ones every time? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more power density @ 10 km than an ASR-9 radar. Radar/Call SignFFC ModelWSR-88DMax Pulsed Power (Watts)100Gain (dBi) 45.5Frequency (MHz)2,850.0RPM6.0 Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 112.9Pulse Duration(uSec)1.6Pulse Repition Factor (Hz)800Range Est. (Miles)143 Latitude33.36358856 Longitude-84.56607328FIPS13113CountyFayetteStateGA Comments/SourceUpgraded to Dual Pol in 2010-2012 These are the Airport TDWR Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (There are ~ 50 of these in service) TDWR 5615 MHzModelTDWRMax Pulsed Power (Watts)250,000Gain (dBi)50Frequency (MHz)5,575 RPM5Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km79.58Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.1
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David, You are wrong. The NEXRAD weather radar is designed based upon PEAK (Pt) transmitted power, not average, else there would not be enough return signal strength to detect. Peak is 750,000 watts to 1,000,000 http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/Section2-2.html The Probert-Jones (P-J) radar reflectivity equation will help to quantify the physical aspects of pulsed E-M energy and the associated limitations of target (e.g., precipitation) detection. The P-J equation is described below as [image: Equation 1. Probert-Jones Radar Equation. Click for Long Description.]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Equations/Equation1.html Equation 1http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Equations/Equation1.html where: Pr http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pr.html = power returned to the radar from a target (watts) Pthttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pt.html = peak transmitted power (watts) Ghttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/g.html = antenna gain [image: greek symbol theta]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/theta.html = angular beamwidth Hhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/h.html = pulse length [image: greek symbol pi]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pi.html = pi (3.141592654) Khttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/k.html = physical constant (target character) Lhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/l.html = signal loss factors associated with attenuation and receiver detection Zhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/z.html = target reflectivity [image: greek symbol lambda]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/lambda.html = transmitted energy wavelength Rhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/r.html = target range On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ChemE, You can operate the radar at that power level in a continuous mode and it does work. The pulse mode has several advantages since reception can take place during the time that the transmitter stands by and offers no interference. Check out the RADAR range equation and you will see that it is based upon average power and not peak. This is because many pulses are averaged together from a target to allow the noise to be reduced. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! You are correct in assuming that I have not spent time researching the subject that you are most interested in and therefore I can not comment upon how you carried out the research to make your conclusions. I just caution you to use the proper control techniques to ensure accuracy, especially when your observations appear to conflict with most others. If you have an opportunity I would like to have one question answered so that I might become more interested in your research. Can you clearly show that a random location can be analyzed by your technique and the correct decision made as to whether or not a transmitter is located there? In other words, are there false positives or false negatives? My plate if fairly full at the moment and I have to restrict the subjects that I can follow. If you have followed proper controls and the effect remains well above the noise I will find time to study your ideas as it become available. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, I have been researching these radars for approx. 1 year and diseased biology for 1 1/2 years. When you converted that instantaneous high power pulse to a one second average you are basically confusing power with energy, which is WRONG. If it was correct then why not operate your radar continuously at an average power of 1500 watts? BECAUSE THEY WON'T work. As far as I can tell you have done very little research. If you really want to do some and not just talk like a radio guy, I suggest you read the following and the referenced research papers, many peer reviewed. This: http://www.scopemed.org/?jft=65ft=65-1394615302#abstract And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/05/03/power-to-the-people/ http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/13/autism-emf/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/13/its-the-same-frequency-range-why-would-you-expect-the-results-to-be-different/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/ And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fish-kills-statistics.png And this:
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What do you suppose the purpose of the H term is? It is referred to as pulse length in the equation. If I choose to make it zero, then the peak power is totally irrelevant. Do you still think I am wrong? Consider what happens if one were to double that term. The receive power would exactly double which to me suggests there is more of it to work with. And, the average transmitter power would double as well. Hard to argue against that. ChemE, it is better to use the average power in the first place instead of having to deal with the duty cycle each time. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, You are wrong. The NEXRAD weather radar is designed based upon PEAK (Pt) transmitted power, not average, else there would not be enough return signal strength to detect. Peak is 750,000 watts to 1,000,000 http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/Section2-2.html The Probert-Jones (P-J) radar reflectivity equation will help to quantify the physical aspects of pulsed E-M energy and the associated limitations of target (e.g., precipitation) detection. The P-J equation is described below as Equation 1 where: Pr = power returned to the radar from a target (watts) Pt = peak transmitted power (watts) G = antenna gain = angular beamwidth H = pulse length = pi (3.141592654) K = physical constant (target character) L = signal loss factors associated with attenuation and receiver detection Z = target reflectivity = transmitted energy wavelength R = target range On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ChemE, You can operate the radar at that power level in a continuous mode and it does work. The pulse mode has several advantages since reception can take place during the time that the transmitter stands by and offers no interference. Check out the RADAR range equation and you will see that it is based upon average power and not peak. This is because many pulses are averaged together from a target to allow the noise to be reduced. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! You are correct in assuming that I have not spent time researching the subject that you are most interested in and therefore I can not comment upon how you carried out the research to make your conclusions. I just caution you to use the proper control techniques to ensure accuracy, especially when your observations appear to conflict with most others. If you have an opportunity I would like to have one question answered so that I might become more interested in your research. Can you clearly show that a random location can be analyzed by your technique and the correct decision made as to whether or not a transmitter is located there? In other words, are there false positives or false negatives? My plate if fairly full at the moment and I have to restrict the subjects that I can follow. If you have followed proper controls and the effect remains well above the noise I will find time to study your ideas as it become available. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, I have been researching these radars for approx. 1 year and diseased biology for 1 1/2 years. When you converted that instantaneous high power pulse to a one second average you are basically confusing power with energy, which is WRONG. If it was correct then why not operate your radar continuously at an average power of 1500 watts? BECAUSE THEY WON'T work. As far as I can tell you have done very little research. If you really want to do some and not just talk like a radio guy, I suggest you read the following and the referenced research papers, many peer reviewed. This: http://www.scopemed.org/?jft=65ft=65-1394615302#abstract And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/05/03/power-to-the-people/ http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/13/autism-emf/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/13/its-the-same-frequency-range-why-would-you-expect-the-results-to-be-different/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/ And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fish-kills-statistics.png And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/05/quick-everybody-rush-to-florida/ And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/24/a-shocking-discovery/ And also look at the 300 hundred or so epidemiology maps I have placed on my blog and the 900 posts over the past two years and then get back
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To answer your second question, if you see a lot of dead stuff and diseased biology and fish dying due to reoccuring hypoxia, there will be high powered, pulsed microwave radars nearby with local peak power greater than 10 W/m2. ALL of our radar bases have chronic wasting in wildlife surrounding them: Pacific Sands Cape Canaveral Guam White Sands Colorado Springs Just search for the names on my blog and you will find the research. I hope you find the time. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! SEE, THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HAD THE WRONG EQUATION, IT IS PEAK, NOT AVERAGE. :) On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ChemE, You can operate the radar at that power level in a continuous mode and it does work. The pulse mode has several advantages since reception can take place during the time that the transmitter stands by and offers no interference. Check out the RADAR range equation and you will see that it is based upon average power and not peak. This is because many pulses are averaged together from a target to allow the noise to be reduced. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! You are correct in assuming that I have not spent time researching the subject that you are most interested in and therefore I can not comment upon how you carried out the research to make your conclusions. I just caution you to use the proper control techniques to ensure accuracy, especially when your observations appear to conflict with most others. If you have an opportunity I would like to have one question answered so that I might become more interested in your research. Can you clearly show that a random location can be analyzed by your technique and the correct decision made as to whether or not a transmitter is located there? In other words, are there false positives or false negatives? My plate if fairly full at the moment and I have to restrict the subjects that I can follow. If you have followed proper controls and the effect remains well above the noise I will find time to study your ideas as it become available. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, I have been researching these radars for approx. 1 year and diseased biology for 1 1/2 years. When you converted that instantaneous high power pulse to a one second average you are basically confusing power with energy, which is WRONG. If it was correct then why not operate your radar continuously at an average power of 1500 watts? BECAUSE THEY WON'T work. As far as I can tell you have done very little research. If you really want to do some and not just talk like a radio guy, I suggest you read the following and the referenced research papers, many peer reviewed. This: http://www.scopemed.org/?jft=65ft=65-1394615302#abstract And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/05/03/power-to-the-people/ http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/13/autism-emf/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/13/its-the-same-frequency-range-why-would-you-expect-the-results-to-be-different/ And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/12/florida-2/ And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/11-4-13-florida1.png And this: http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/fish-kills-statistics.png And this: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/05/quick-everybody-rush-to-florida/ And This: http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/24/a-shocking-discovery/ And also look at the 300 hundred or so epidemiology maps I have placed on my blog and the 900 posts over the past two years and then get back to me OK?? I am just wondering why 1/68 kids in the US now have autism, 50 million people in the US now have an auto-immune disease and all of our f^%ing wildlife is suffering AND NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW WHY Oh, and read this and get back to me in a month, once you have actually done some of your own research, OK? [image: Doppler Radar] On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:13 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: ChemE, You need to research these systems. Each transmitter is far lower than the powers you list and they are not correlated in time or frequency. From what I recall the dangers associated with this type of radiation has never been shown to be significant. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 11:17 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, It is not heating. It is the electromagnetic discharge of the instantaneous pulses of microwave radiation.
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David, Yes, you are still wrong. I understand pulse length, the 750,000 watt peak pulse is only ON for ~1/1000 of each second. That still does not mean you can average it over a second and say it is safe or low power. If H is 0 there is no pulse. Please stick your tongue in a 750,000 watt light bulb socket for 1/1000 of a second and report back to me. Electromagnetic radiation travels 186 miles in that amount of time. Mike Tyson still knocks you out. Or maybe it is more like the quickness of Mohammad Ali. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMXpziDJsM On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: What do you suppose the purpose of the H term is? It is referred to as pulse length in the equation. If I choose to make it zero, then the peak power is totally irrelevant. Do you still think I am wrong? Consider what happens if one were to double that term. The receive power would exactly double which to me suggests there is more of it to work with. And, the average transmitter power would double as well. Hard to argue against that. ChemE, it is better to use the average power in the first place instead of having to deal with the duty cycle each time. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, You are wrong. The NEXRAD weather radar is designed based upon PEAK (Pt) transmitted power, not average, else there would not be enough return signal strength to detect. Peak is 750,000 watts to 1,000,000 http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/Section2-2.html The Probert-Jones (P-J) radar reflectivity equation will help to quantify the physical aspects of pulsed E-M energy and the associated limitations of target (e.g., precipitation) detection. The P-J equation is described below as [image: Equation 1. Probert-Jones Radar Equation. Click for Long Description.]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Equations/Equation1.html Equation 1http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Equations/Equation1.html where: Prhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pr.html = power returned to the radar from a target (watts) Pthttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pt.html = peak transmitted power (watts) Ghttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/g.html = antenna gain [image: greek symbol theta]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/theta.html = angular beamwidth Hhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/h.html = pulse length [image: greek symbol pi]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pi.html = pi (3.141592654) Khttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/k.html = physical constant (target character) Lhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/l.html = signal loss factors associated with attenuation and receiver detection Zhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/z.html = target reflectivity [image: greek symbol lambda]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/lambda.html = transmitted energy wavelength Rhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/r.html = target range On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: ChemE, You can operate the radar at that power level in a continuous mode and it does work. The pulse mode has several advantages since reception can take place during the time that the transmitter stands by and offers no interference. Check out the RADAR range equation and you will see that it is based upon average power and not peak. This is because many pulses are averaged together from a target to allow the noise to be reduced. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! You are correct in assuming that I have not spent time researching the subject that you are most interested in and therefore I can not comment upon how you carried out the research to make your conclusions. I just caution you to use the proper control techniques to ensure accuracy, especially when your observations appear to conflict with most others. If you have an opportunity I would like to have one question answered so that I might become more interested in your research. Can you clearly show that a random location can be analyzed by your technique and the correct decision made as to whether or not a transmitter is located there? In other words, are there false positives or false negatives? My plate if fairly full at the moment and I have to restrict the subjects that I can follow. If you have followed proper controls and the effect
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How about sticking your tongue into the 750,000 volt light socket for 1 nanosecond instead? And if Mike Tyson's fist is stopped by some force in 1 microsecond after it makes contact with your face, it will do little if any damage. Lets drop this discussion. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, Yes, you are still wrong. I understand pulse length, the 750,000 watt peak pulse is only ON for ~1/1000 of each second. That still does not mean you can average it over a second and say it is safe or low power. If H is 0 there is no pulse. Please stick your tongue in a 750,000 watt light bulb socket for 1/1000 of a second and report back to me. Electromagnetic radiation travels 186 miles in that amount of time. Mike Tyson still knocks you out. Or maybe it is more like the quickness of Mohammad Ali. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMXpziDJsM On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: What do you suppose the purpose of the H term is? It is referred to as pulse length in the equation. If I choose to make it zero, then the peak power is totally irrelevant. Do you still think I am wrong? Consider what happens if one were to double that term. The receive power would exactly double which to me suggests there is more of it to work with. And, the average transmitter power would double as well. Hard to argue against that. ChemE, it is better to use the average power in the first place instead of having to deal with the duty cycle each time. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, You are wrong. The NEXRAD weather radar is designed based upon PEAK (Pt) transmitted power, not average, else there would not be enough return signal strength to detect. Peak is 750,000 watts to 1,000,000 http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/Section2-2.html The Probert-Jones (P-J) radar reflectivity equation will help to quantify the physical aspects of pulsed E-M energy and the associated limitations of target (e.g., precipitation) detection. The P-J equation is described below as Equation 1 where: Pr = power returned to the radar from a target (watts) Pt = peak transmitted power (watts) G = antenna gain = angular beamwidth H = pulse length = pi (3.141592654) K = physical constant (target character) L = signal loss factors associated with attenuation and receiver detection Z = target reflectivity = transmitted energy wavelength R = target range On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: ChemE, You can operate the radar at that power level in a continuous mode and it does work. The pulse mode has several advantages since reception can take place during the time that the transmitter stands by and offers no interference. Check out the RADAR range equation and you will see that it is based upon average power and not peak. This is because many pulses are averaged together from a target to allow the noise to be reduced. Trust me, I know the difference between power and energy. I have designed a number of transmitters in the past and been cooked by a few of them! You are correct in assuming that I have not spent time researching the subject that you are most interested in and therefore I can not comment upon how you carried out the research to make your conclusions. I just caution you to use the proper control techniques to ensure accuracy, especially when your observations appear to conflict with most others. If you have an opportunity I would like to have one question answered so that I might become more interested in your research. Can you clearly show that a random location can be analyzed by your technique and the correct decision made as to whether or not a transmitter is located there? In other words, are there false positives or false negatives? My plate if fairly full at the moment and I have to restrict the subjects that I can follow. If you have followed proper controls and the effect remains well above the noise I will find time to study your ideas as it become available. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 1:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, I have been researching these radars for approx. 1 year and diseased biology for 1 1/2 years. When you converted that instantaneous high power pulse to a one second average you are basically confusing power with energy, which is WRONG. If it was correct then why not operate your radar continuously at an average power
Re: [Vo]:On the Industrial Heat China Connection
There appears to be some confusion at the moment. Westerners are trying to crack the Chinese text using Google Translate. The characters for NiMH are showing up and it is not clear whether this represents a metal hydride that might be employed in battery design (a la the LiMH in my rechargeable batteries), or the Pearl of Great Price nickel hydride that Rossi employs in his reactor. Or is it not just a coincidence that NiMH might refer to either of those two entities? Or is it just Chinese Google Translate woes? Time for some high-level Vortex speculation say I! On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:49 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Franck Acland discusses a news article found by AlainCo on the activities of Industrial Heat in China. The article explicitly used the term cold fusion. On the Industrial Heat China Connection http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/12/on-the-industrial-heat-china-connection/ Harry
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Let's not drop it, NOAA does not know the difference between Energy and Power: http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/g.html Antenna Gain (G) Gain is a measure of the antenna's capability to focus outgoing energy into a beam. Energy is originally assumed to be radiated isotropically (i.e., equally in all spherical directions). That energy is then concentrated or focused into a narrow beam based on the shape of the antenna. The WSR-88D antenna is a parabolic reflector and has a gain of 35,481. Notice that Pr is directly related to the square of G which means that doubling the gain of the antenna would increase returned power by four times the original value. However, the WSR-88D antenna has a fixed diameter which makes G a constant. Similarly, the larger the antenna dish, the more returned *energy (power)**[WRONG, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME]* from targets can be collected which acts to *increase a radar's sensitivity* (or ability to detect distant and/or very small targets). A classic analogy used to describe power and energy is based on water towers. Water in the tower is energy and the flow of water out of the tower is power. Energy can be stored, like water. It can also flow. When energy flows, it can do work like moving stuff or lighting a house. The speed at which energy flows is called *power*.[Mike Tyson's Punch] The same amount of energy can be released at high power (which will occur quickly) or at low power (which will take more time). Also, in one nanosecond, electricity will flow 1 foot so I will still be cooked. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:20 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: How about sticking your tongue into the 750,000 volt light socket for 1 nanosecond instead? And if Mike Tyson's fist is stopped by some force in 1 microsecond after it makes contact with your face, it will do little if any damage. Lets drop this discussion. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, Yes, you are still wrong. I understand pulse length, the 750,000 watt peak pulse is only ON for ~1/1000 of each second. That still does not mean you can average it over a second and say it is safe or low power. If H is 0 there is no pulse. Please stick your tongue in a 750,000 watt light bulb socket for 1/1000 of a second and report back to me. Electromagnetic radiation travels 186 miles in that amount of time. Mike Tyson still knocks you out. Or maybe it is more like the quickness of Mohammad Ali. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMXpziDJsM On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: What do you suppose the purpose of the H term is? It is referred to as pulse length in the equation. If I choose to make it zero, then the peak power is totally irrelevant. Do you still think I am wrong? Consider what happens if one were to double that term. The receive power would exactly double which to me suggests there is more of it to work with. And, the average transmitter power would double as well. Hard to argue against that. ChemE, it is better to use the average power in the first place instead of having to deal with the duty cycle each time. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, You are wrong. The NEXRAD weather radar is designed based upon PEAK (Pt) transmitted power, not average, else there would not be enough return signal strength to detect. Peak is 750,000 watts to 1,000,000 http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/Section2-2.html The Probert-Jones (P-J) radar reflectivity equation will help to quantify the physical aspects of pulsed E-M energy and the associated limitations of target (e.g., precipitation) detection. The P-J equation is described below as [image: Equation 1. Probert-Jones Radar Equation. Click for Long Description.]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Equations/Equation1.html Equation 1http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Equations/Equation1.html where: Prhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pr.html = power returned to the radar from a target (watts) Pthttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pt.html = peak transmitted power (watts) Ghttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/g.html = antenna gain [image: greek symbol theta]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/theta.html = angular beamwidth Hhttp://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/h.html = pulse length [image: greek symbol pi]http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/courses/dloc/topic3/lesson1/Section2/pi.html = pi (3.141592654)
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Bob, I suspect that you are correct in your concern provided that the organism DNA is damaged. Perhaps we should think about the energy associated with each photon as it impacts the cell instead of a complete wave front. Each photon has much less than .1 eV of energy, a level which I assume could be dangerous. If we consider a large number of photons acting as a group we most likely should consider heat damage instead of individual point damage. After all, the action of many simultaneous photons results in the interference patterns that measure in the near fractional wave lengths. If a high Q resonance exists one might see coupling from the induced fields. I do not recall anyone finding a resonance of this nature that could be excited to a dangerous extent. One might think that any energy coupling to a DNA strand would be shared among the nearby molecules, especially water. The tritium radiation hazard seems to be of a different nature and much more concerning. In that case the energy released by a single event is concentrated in space and capable of direct damage to DNA. I have not seen reason to suspect that normal cellular towers or radar systems are capable of producing tritium. I would expect that the energy is far too un concentrated to achieve that goal. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Dave-- One possible effect is the resonant absorbtion of radiation by biologically active molecules, which cause ionization and destruction of the molecules. This is particularly damaging when the molecule is a DNA or RNA molecule. Weak H bonds occur in these molecules and such destruction leads to modified DNA or RNA activity. The average heating idea also is appropriate, however it is not as much as a problem as the destruction or disabling of the large molecules that control the body's production of other complex molecules. DNA in skin and eye cells would be more susceptible than those more deeply situated in the body. Reproductive organs near the surface of the body are more venerable to such radiation and hence to genetic changes that are passed on to offspring. Such a problem applies to humans as well a smaller animals and birds that have the least amount of shielding of their gonads. The other issue associated with DNA destruction could be the stimulated emission of tritium by the exposure to the intense radiation of the radars. Tritium is a bad actor when it decays in a nucleus of a cell. The beta from the tritium is about 18 Kev. This energy is deposited over a path of about 6 microns. The average dimension of a cell nucleus is about 6 to 10 microns. This means a large fraction of the beta from tritium decay is deposited in the nucleus where it is bound to cause numerous double breaks of DNA molecules and the genetic damage that goes along with these breaks. Such mutagenic effects were observed in the vole population around Chernobyl after the nuclear accident as a result of tritium contamination in the drinking water consumed by the vole population. (Considering the damage to gene cells of the body, the EPA drinking water standard for tritium, 20,000 pico curies per liter, is way to high (about 100 times) to prevent unreasonable damage to gene cells. Small breeding populations of animals, including some populations of humans, can be unreasonably affected by such high bodily tritium concentrations as allowed by the current standards. The justification by the EPA and the ICRP that any defects in the genetics passed on to the society get greatly diluted to reduce risk, does not apply to small breeding populations. And of course, if you are one in a million of the people at risk that develop a health problem that is non-mutagenic , it does not help you at all.) I am one to believe that there should be no risk to vertebrates, except birds, existing around hazards that causes more than one health effect of the population subjected to the hazard. Important insects such as bees should be included in this no risk criteria. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal.Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be
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If you want something to be concerned about all you need do is look at those experiments that use an enormous magnetic coil induced fields into the brains of subjects. Or, the shock treatments that come close to frying your head. Have you had an MRI lately? I can not help but to believe that severe damage must be taking place under those types of circumstances. The RF fields associated with cellular phones and remote transmitter sites is small potatoes in comparison. I have read of many research projects directed toward finding damage due to cellular telephones and none have been proven conclusive. If the effect were obvious that would not be the case. Of course national departments will always hedge their bets by suggesting that there may be some negative effect so far unseen. Should we cease using radio for communication since no one can prove that it has zero negative consequences? Forget about cold fusion becoming a distributed product if the same level of scrutiny is used to prevent it from being used. Some risk is worth taking if we are to move forward. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio It is time to get beyond heating as the only way for brain damage to occur. If the brain functions like an electrical communication network, then it is possible to disrupt the network by means that don't require heating. Harry On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Much depends upon how your mechanism causes the harm. If heat is the problem, then the average power is important. Microwave cooking depends upon heating to prepare the meal. The instantaneous peak power might be able to ignite a fast acting explosive material or cause a bulb to ionize, but the average energy is what is detected by the radar receiving system. When you perform your analysis of the damage due to radar transmitters, are you able to determine how well centered the effect is about the device? Another consideration is that the antenna pattern is generally directed above the ground level for a large distance. Many folks have expressed deep concern for the effects of cellular radio towers due to misunderstandings about radio power levels. It is generally easy to worry about issues that involves black magic when dealing with the public since people tend to seek simple explanations to their perceived problems especially when random events seem to defy understanding. ChemE, I have no idea about how well you have performed your analysis of the radar environmental damages that you are following. I assume that you have also included research which would prove that the lack of a tower always shows none of the degradation expected due to RF. What is the signal to noise level that you are working with? Are you confident that you could take a random sample of sites, some with radars and some without, and pick the active ones every time? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more power density @ 10 km than an ASR-9 radar. Radar/Call Sign FFC Model WSR-88D Max Pulsed Power (Watts) 100 Gain (dBi) 45.5 Frequency (MHz) 2,850.0 RPM 6.0 Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 112.9 Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.6 Pulse Repition Factor (Hz) 800 Range Est. (Miles) 143 Latitude 33.36358856 Longitude -84.56607328 FIPS 13113 County Fayette State GA Comments/Source Upgraded to Dual Pol in 2010-2012 These are the Airport TDWR Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (There are ~ 50 of these in service) TDWR 5615 MHz Model TDWR Max Pulsed Power (Watts) 250,000 Gain (dBi) 50 Frequency (MHz) 5,575 RPM 5 Max Power Density (W/m2) @ 10 km 79.58 Pulse Duration(uSec) 1.1 Pulse Repition Factor (Hz) 2000 Range Est. (Miles) 56 Latitude 33.64659872 Longitude -84.26191362 FIPS 13151 County Henry State GA On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The
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David, I have focused on high powered, pulsed Doppler, so I cannot comment on radio. I liked Jones' post about a powered receiver and not high powered transmitters. Maybe low power GPS instead of high powered radar. I am a chemical engineer and the first thing I noticed in addition to the dying fish due to hypoxia is the appearance of more sinkholes (in limestone) around microwave towers in Florida. The microwave towers appear to be dissolving limestone in Florida at a higher rate. (no statistics yet, just maps). http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/rf-and-microwave-stations-and-sinkholes-in-florida.png Download Google Earth FCC file here:https://productforums.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/gec-dynamic-data-layers/VKAkuBNWtC8 You can download/insert the Sinkhole image from herehttp://www.insurancejournal.com/img/articles/fl-sinkhole-map.jpg On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: If you want something to be concerned about all you need do is look at those experiments that use an enormous magnetic coil induced fields into the brains of subjects. Or, the shock treatments that come close to frying your head. Have you had an MRI lately? I can not help but to believe that severe damage must be taking place under those types of circumstances. The RF fields associated with cellular phones and remote transmitter sites is small potatoes in comparison. I have read of many research projects directed toward finding damage due to cellular telephones and none have been proven conclusive. If the effect were obvious that would not be the case. Of course national departments will always hedge their bets by suggesting that there may be some negative effect so far unseen. Should we cease using radio for communication since no one can prove that it has zero negative consequences? Forget about cold fusion becoming a distributed product if the same level of scrutiny is used to prevent it from being used. Some risk is worth taking if we are to move forward. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio It is time to get beyond heating as the only way for brain damage to occur. If the brain functions like an electrical communication network, then it is possible to disrupt the network by means that don't require heating. Harry On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote: Much depends upon how your mechanism causes the harm. If heat is the problem, then the average power is important. Microwave cooking depends upon heating to prepare the meal. The instantaneous peak power might be able to ignite a fast acting explosive material or cause a bulb to ionize, but the average energy is what is detected by the radar receiving system. When you perform your analysis of the damage due to radar transmitters, are you able to determine how well centered the effect is about the device? Another consideration is that the antenna pattern is generally directed above the ground level for a large distance. Many folks have expressed deep concern for the effects of cellular radio towers due to misunderstandings about radio power levels. It is generally easy to worry about issues that involves black magic when dealing with the public since people tend to seek simple explanations to their perceived problems especially when random events seem to defy understanding. ChemE, I have no idea about how well you have performed your analysis of the radar environmental damages that you are following. I assume that you have also included research which would prove that the lack of a tower always shows none of the degradation expected due to RF. What is the signal to noise level that you are working with? Are you confident that you could take a random sample of sites, some with radars and some without, and pick the active ones every time? Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 9:50 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio David, To say it in another way, you can average the power in Mike Tyson's punch over one minute and say that it is low average power when in fact it knocked you on your ass in a fraction of a second. That is the error in judgement I believe the radar physorcists have made and we are all paying dearly for. Think of mama and the baby on a hillside deck getting swept by those pulses 5 or 6 times a minute and you will understand what I mean. What if time did not exist like Einstein and others have claimed and you could not average that pulse over time??? What would you do then? These are the NEXRAD WSR-88 Standard Doppler Weather Radar Specs (there are ~150 of these in service in the US). Due to the higher gain they have more
Re: [Vo]:On the Industrial Heat China Connection
Carl High diamondweb...@gmail.com wrote: There appears to be some confusion at the moment. Westerners are trying to crack the Chinese text using Google Translate. The characters for NiMH are showing up and it is not clear whether this represents a metal hydride that might be employed in battery design . . The Chinese is here: http://forum.home.news.cn/detail/132197050/1.html The headline is: 中国天津镍氢（冷核聚变）研究中心成立 中国 China 天津 Tianjin (placename) 镍 nickel 氢 hydrogen -- 镍氢 together mean nickel hydride （冷核聚变） cold fusion -- definitely means cold fusion. 研究中心 research institute 成立 founded It is pretty clear they mean Ni-H cold fusion. Battery is 电池 which I think they would say. They would not say cold fusion. Cold fusion is also called 冷聚变. See: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LiXZanintroduc.pdf In this title 现象 means phenomenon. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:On the Industrial Heat China Connection
冷核聚变 is: 冷 cold 核 nuclear 聚变 fusion In Prof. Li's paper he uses only: 冷聚变 cold fusion Many of these characters are the same in Japanese. That is often the case with scientific and technical vocabulary. The headline: 中国天津镍氢（冷核聚变）研究中心成立 In Japanese is: 中国天津ニッケル水素（常温核融合）の研究センター設置 (常温 means ordinary temperature as in room temperature, not cold, but 冷 means cold. 設置 is what you say for an institute, but you could use 成立 -- form, enact, establish.) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
Here is a response just posted from Mats in regards to this very question concerning DGT: http://matslew.wordpress.com/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Nah, it's OK to change your mind on the basis of new evidence. I've done it numerous times on this mailing list. However - with me you have a clear record of precisely where my mind was at any one point in the nature of digital number and I explain exactly what and how much each piece of evidence changes it. If you listen to the interview, it almost sounds like he's rewriting history. If he said in the interview at the time they seemed real, but since then new evidence has come to light.., then he'd sound more credible to me. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: If he changed his mind again, would it matter to you for some reason? As long as an opinion is informed and based on the most up to date evidence available at the time, that's all that matters. I think the ability to change one's mind is a strength, not a weakness. Being open-minded is not the same as being a flake. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: True, though it'll make you wonder what his view will be in another year or two as well. When you calculate the odds on an event you have to rely a lot on journalists because they do a lot of the investigation for you. One thing I do with a journalists is see them report something I'm familiar with and if they do a good job, then I have more confidence when they report something I'm not familiar with. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote: Well that was a while ago now, no? Things can change over close to a years time. Not really that surprising to me. I think you mean he has reconsidered. Sometimes a person has one impression during an event, but it seems different in retrospect. Also, Defkalion was expected to follow-up on the test, but they never did. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
From: Foks0904 Here is a response just posted from Mats in regards to this very question concerning DGT: http://matslew.wordpress.com/ This is extremely thoughtful on the part of Mats - and fully confirms the prior negativity towards DGT, expressed here by many - despite admitting that DGT probably do have “something”. DGT seems to be intent on building a financial scam on top of a technology which is likely valid, but they do not possess the basic skills to move it forward. They probably realize correctly that they cannot win in the long run without more brain power, but instead of going that route - can sock away a few million in the meantime without it … somewhat like Steorn and the others who have taken the same tactic of having a fragmentary energy anomaly to build-on, but preferring to take the easy way out. Jones
[Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Bob, agreed. I told the biologist that is running statistics that I think the microwave radars may be breaking RNA/DNA strands and triggering single stranded RNA viruses like norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships. http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/27/were-cooked/ On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','frobertc...@hotmail.com'); wrote: Dave-- One possible effect is the resonant absorbtion of radiation by biologically active molecules, which cause ionization and destruction of the molecules. This is particularly damaging when the molecule is a DNA or RNA molecule. Weak H bonds occur in these molecules and such destruction leads to modified DNA or RNA activity. The average heating idea also is appropriate, however it is not as much as a problem as the destruction or disabling of the large molecules that control the body's production of other complex molecules. DNA in skin and eye cells would be more susceptible than those more deeply situated in the body. Reproductive organs near the surface of the body are more venerable to such radiation and hence to genetic changes that are passed on to offspring. Such a problem applies to humans as well a smaller animals and birds that have the least amount of shielding of their gonads. The other issue associated with DNA destruction could be the stimulated emission of tritium by the exposure to the intense radiation of the radars. Tritium is a bad actor when it decays in a nucleus of a cell. The beta from the tritium is about 18 Kev. This energy is deposited over a path of about 6 microns. The average dimension of a cell nucleus is about 6 to 10 microns. This means a large fraction of the beta from tritium decay is deposited in the nucleus where it is bound to cause numerous double breaks of DNA molecules and the genetic damage that goes along with these breaks. Such mutagenic effects were observed in the vole population around Chernobyl after the nuclear accident as a result of tritium contamination in the drinking water consumed by the vole population. (Considering the damage to gene cells of the body, the EPA drinking water standard for tritium, 20,000 pico curies per liter, is way to high (about 100 times) to prevent unreasonable damage to gene cells. Small breeding populations of animals, including some populations of humans, can be unreasonably affected by such high bodily tritium concentrations as allowed by the current standards. The justification by the EPA and the ICRP that any defects in the genetics passed on to the society get greatly diluted to reduce risk, does not apply to small breeding populations. And of course, if you are one in a million of the people at risk that develop a health problem that is non-mutagenic , it does not help you at all.) I am one to believe that there should be no risk to vertebrates, except birds, existing around hazards that causes more than one health effect of the population subjected to the hazard. Important insects such as bees should be included in this no risk criteria. Bob - Original Message - *From:* David Robersonjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com'); *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal. Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be demonstrated. The skin effect also comes into consideration at the high RF frequencies which tends to reduce penetration of the signal into the target. Better conductivity of the material decreases the dept rapidly. A true Doppler radar would have the full heating effect due to the RF maximum power level as long as the antenna pattern illuminates the target you are considering. Also, the pulsed radar pattern of the radar mentioned impacts upon your desired target for a small portion of the dish rotation time. The average target heating must be adjusted accordingly. I do not understand the nature of the damage that you are considering with your research. If it is associated with the average heating as with a microwave oven then the pulse duty cycle, etc. needs to be integrated into the equations. My comments earlier were directed toward clarifying the difference between a true Doppler radar and a more of less standard pulsed system. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart
Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
The paper by Luca Gamberale of Defkalion Europe (DE) described the problems in detail. It is pretty damning: http://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/dgt-faulty-demo-140502-english.pdf QUOTES: Abstract I show that the experimental protocol used by Defkalion Green Technologies (DGT) is not reliable to demonstrate the production of large amounts of energy with the use of the reactor R5. Experimental tests carried out using the same measurement system used by DGT in public demonstrations show that the measurement of excess of thermal energy carried out following the experimental protocol of DGT is obtainable regardless of the use of H2 and of the high voltage excitation. . . . I list below some anomalies related to the relationship between DGT and Mose : - During the setup of the laboratory in Milan various improvements were introduced by the DE technicians and scientists concerning the calorimetry measurement. In particular a method independent of the flow rate measurement has been developed based on the heating of a large amount of water contained in a large tank and circulated through a pump in a closed circuit. This measure is independent of the measurement of the flow through the coil and it would remove any doubt about the heat measurement. DGT has not allowed DE to use such measurement in none of the tests of their technology. As a further improvement we added a second flowmeter upstream of the water system in order to verify the behavior of the main flowmeter during the measurement of the excess power but also in this case the added flowmeter was readily removed by the DGT technicians forbidding us to make any verification. - In no case DGT has enabled DE engineers to attend the assembly phase of the active components in the reaction chamber of the reactor R5 (built by us according to the DGT diagrams) nor has left the reactor R5 complete with all the necessary elements for running the experiment in the DE laboratories without their physical presence. Discussion After several tests performed by DE to validate the DGT calorimetry we must conclude that in the most benevolent case we are faced with a gross measurement error that has lasted nearly two years and has misled esteemed researchers who have personally witnessed demos of the DGT technology in Greece, in Canada and more recently in Italy. . . .
RE: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
From: Jed Rothwell The paper by Luca Gamberale of Defkalion Europe (DE) described the problems in detail. It is pretty damning: http://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/dgt-faulty-demo-140502-english.pdf In the law of the USA and most countries, the most convincing evidence of all in a court proceeding – even if it is secondhand or hearsay – is called “declaration (admission) against interest”. Gamberale’s statements can be easily construed as declarations against interest, since as an agent of DGT he would be arguably better off financially if he never made those statements. They are highly believable, whereas everything DGT says to the contrary is tainted by financial gain. DGT would be naked in any legal proceeding. The secondary implication of this is that Rossi, even with a grossly deficient patent, would surely prevail against DGT in court, at least in the USA. Jones
Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Gamberale’s statements can be easily construed as declarations against interest, since as an agent of DGT he would be arguably better off financially if he never made those statements. . . . The paper says DE (Defkalion Europe) is a joint venture. This contract provides for the complete transfer of the DGT technology to Defkalion Europe (DE), an Italian company (50% DGT and 50% Mose and composed exclusively of Italian members of Mose [Corp.]) . . . So he is not exactly an agent. A person working for a joint venture is not an agent. The report ends by saying the DE joint venture is now defunct: . . . DE has decided to give DGT some time to provide unequivocal evidence that the DGT technology was immune to the criticisms raised by DE. However after several months and despite continuous and constant request to provide the relevant documentation and/or to repeat the experiment, no answer has been given so far. DE has now been put out of business. Consequently, I decided to make public the results obtained on the DGT technology stating that the experimental protocol proposed by DGT is not trustworthy. . . . Apparently, the problem with the flow meter was that the vane inside it was being driven back and forth by hot water flowing in the wrong direction. The vane might go forward, back, and forward again with the same 1 ml of water, counting it three times (or more). They managed to record a 1 L/min flow rate with the water inlet valve closed and the real flow rate of zero. In another null test they showed 17 kW where the real answer was 2.5 kW. In another test, the flow rate indicated 3 kW but they sparged the steam and measured ~1 kW, where input power was 1 kW. As I have often said, the flow meter is the most problematic component in flow calorimetry. You must ALWAYS verify that it is working correctly, with a manual method. Note that Defkalion specifically forbid DE from doing this. DE set up to cross check the flow, and to sparge the steam, but the Defkalion engineers removed the equipment. That's about as damning as you can get without saying these people are frauds. For years, Defkalion has said they will publish a definitive positive report from an independent observer. Now, as last, we see such a definitive report. Unfortunately it is negative. I do not know know of any positive ones. That does not mean there aren't any, but I suppose Defkalion would publish one if they had it. - Jed
[Vo]:Exponential Remediation of Civilization's Footprint
http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2014/05/introduction-extinction-of-human-race.html
RE: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
From: Jed Rothwell . . .So he is not exactly an agent. A person working for a joint venture is not an agent [for another party] … Not exactly true, in a legal sense if the qualifier “exclusive” is not used. If Gamberale is not operating in the role of an exclusive agent for either party, that does not negate a joint agency… complicating matters. If his financial interests would align with DGT in any significant way, he can be construed as an agent. Thus his admission against interest is convincing, even if he still retains a potential net benefit in the ability of the joint venture to negate the contract. Perhaps it is less convincing than otherwise, but in contrast the denial of DGT remains entirely self-serving and cannot be believed, without more.
Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If Gamberale is not operating in the role of an exclusive agent for either party, that does not negate a joint agency… complicating matters. If his financial interests would align with DGT in any significant way, he can be construed as an agent. . . . Well, his interests did align, that's for sure. What you say makes sense. I do not know enough about the law to judge the particulars. Gamberale has guts. He is clearly a man of integrity. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Dave-- The issue I raised regarding tritium is not that tritium is produced by the radiation, but that existing tritium assimilated from the environment, is stimulated to decay by emission of a beta particle at a rate that is higher than its natural decay half life of about 10.5 years. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Bob, I suspect that you are correct in your concern provided that the organism DNA is damaged. Perhaps we should think about the energy associated with each photon as it impacts the cell instead of a complete wave front. Each photon has much less than .1 eV of energy, a level which I assume could be dangerous. If we consider a large number of photons acting as a group we most likely should consider heat damage instead of individual point damage. After all, the action of many simultaneous photons results in the interference patterns that measure in the near fractional wave lengths. If a high Q resonance exists one might see coupling from the induced fields. I do not recall anyone finding a resonance of this nature that could be excited to a dangerous extent. One might think that any energy coupling to a DNA strand would be shared among the nearby molecules, especially water. The tritium radiation hazard seems to be of a different nature and much more concerning. In that case the energy released by a single event is concentrated in space and capable of direct damage to DNA. I have not seen reason to suspect that normal cellular towers or radar systems are capable of producing tritium. I would expect that the energy is far too un concentrated to achieve that goal. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Dave-- One possible effect is the resonant absorbtion of radiation by biologically active molecules, which cause ionization and destruction of the molecules. This is particularly damaging when the molecule is a DNA or RNA molecule. Weak H bonds occur in these molecules and such destruction leads to modified DNA or RNA activity. The average heating idea also is appropriate, however it is not as much as a problem as the destruction or disabling of the large molecules that control the body's production of other complex molecules. DNA in skin and eye cells would be more susceptible than those more deeply situated in the body. Reproductive organs near the surface of the body are more venerable to such radiation and hence to genetic changes that are passed on to offspring. Such a problem applies to humans as well a smaller animals and birds that have the least amount of shielding of their gonads. The other issue associated with DNA destruction could be the stimulated emission of tritium by the exposure to the intense radiation of the radars. Tritium is a bad actor when it decays in a nucleus of a cell. The beta from the tritium is about 18 Kev. This energy is deposited over a path of about 6 microns. The average dimension of a cell nucleus is about 6 to 10 microns. This means a large fraction of the beta from tritium decay is deposited in the nucleus where it is bound to cause numerous double breaks of DNA molecules and the genetic damage that goes along with these breaks. Such mutagenic effects were observed in the vole population around Chernobyl after the nuclear accident as a result of tritium contamination in the drinking water consumed by the vole population. (Considering the damage to gene cells of the body, the EPA drinking water standard for tritium, 20,000 pico curies per liter, is way to high (about 100 times) to prevent unreasonable damage to gene cells. Small breeding populations of animals, including some populations of humans, can be unreasonably affected by such high bodily tritium concentrations as allowed by the current standards. The justification by the EPA and the ICRP that any defects in the genetics passed on to the society get greatly diluted to reduce risk, does not apply to small breeding populations. And of course, if you are one in a million of the people at risk that develop a health problem that is non-mutagenic , it does not help you at all.) I am one to believe that there should be no risk to vertebrates, except birds, existing around hazards that causes more than one health effect of the population subjected to the hazard. Important insects such as bees should be included in this no risk criteria. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power
Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi
This is certainly not the kind of news I was hoping to hear. We need some good news from the Rossi tests. How much longer must we wait? Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 8:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Interview with Mats Lewan On E-Cat Rossi Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Gamberale’s statements can be easily construedas declarations against interest, since as an agent of DGT he would be arguablybetter off financially if he never made those statements. . . . The paper says DE (Defkalion Europe) is a joint venture. This contract provides for the complete transfer of the DGT technology to Defkalion Europe (DE), an Italian company (50% DGT and 50% Mose and composed exclusively of Italian members of Mose [Corp.]) . . . So he is not exactly an agent. A person working for a joint venture is not an agent. The report ends by saying the DE joint venture is now defunct: . . . DE has decided to give DGT some time to provide unequivocal evidence that the DGT technology was immune to the criticisms raised by DE. However after several months and despite continuous and constant request to provide the relevant documentation and/or to repeat the experiment, no answer has been given so far. DE has now been put out of business. Consequently, I decided to make public the results obtained on the DGT technology stating that the experimental protocol proposed by DGT is not trustworthy. . . . Apparently, the problem with the flow meter was that the vane inside it was being driven back and forth by hot water flowing in the wrong direction. The vane might go forward, back, and forward again with the same 1 ml of water, counting it three times (or more). They managed to record a 1 L/min flow rate with the water inlet valve closed and the real flow rate of zero. In another null test they showed 17 kW where the real answer was 2.5 kW. In another test, the flow rate indicated 3 kW but they sparged the steam and measured ~1 kW, where input power was 1 kW. As I have often said, the flow meter is the most problematic component in flow calorimetry. You must ALWAYS verify that it is working correctly, with a manual method. Note that Defkalion specifically forbid DE from doing this. DE set up to cross check the flow, and to sparge the steam, but the Defkalion engineers removed the equipment. That's about as damning as you can get without saying these people are frauds. For years, Defkalion has said they will publish a definitive positive report from an independent observer. Now, as last, we see such a definitive report. Unfortunately it is negative. I do not know know of any positive ones. That does not mean there aren't any, but I suppose Defkalion would publish one if they had it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
Bob, Thanks for clarifying that situation since I misunderstood your point entirely. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 10:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Dave-- The issue I raised regarding tritium is not that tritium is produced by the radiation, but that existing tritium assimilated from the environment, is stimulated to decay by emission of a beta particle at a rate that is higher than its natural decay half life of about 10.5 years. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Bob, I suspect that you are correct in your concern provided that the organism DNA is damaged. Perhaps we should think about the energy associated with each photon as it impacts the cell instead of a complete wave front. Each photon has much less than .1 eV of energy, a level which I assume could be dangerous. If we consider a large number of photons acting as a group we most likely should consider heat damage instead of individual point damage. After all, the action of many simultaneous photons results in the interference patterns that measure in the near fractional wave lengths. If a high Q resonance exists one might see coupling from the induced fields. I do not recall anyone finding a resonance of this nature that could be excited to a dangerous extent. One might think that any energy coupling to a DNA strand would be shared among the nearby molecules, especially water. The tritium radiation hazard seems to be of a different nature and much more concerning. In that case the energy released by a single event is concentrated in space and capable of direct damage to DNA. I have not seen reason to suspect that normal cellular towers or radar systems are capable of producing tritium. I would expect that the energy is far too un concentrated to achieve that goal. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Dave-- One possible effect is the resonant absorbtion of radiation by biologically active molecules, which cause ionization and destruction of the molecules. This is particularly damaging when the molecule is a DNA or RNA molecule. Weak H bonds occur in these molecules and such destruction leads to modified DNA or RNA activity. The average heating idea also is appropriate, however it is not as much as a problem as the destruction or disabling of the large molecules that control the body's production of other complex molecules. DNA in skin and eye cells would be more susceptible than those more deeply situated in the body. Reproductive organs near the surface of the body are more venerable to such radiation and hence to genetic changes that are passed on to offspring.Such a problem applies to humans as well a smaller animals and birds that have the least amount of shielding of their gonads. The other issue associated with DNA destruction could be the stimulated emission of tritium by the exposure to the intense radiation of the radars. Tritium is a bad actor when it decays in a nucleus of a cell. The beta from the tritium is about 18 Kev.This energy is deposited over a path of about 6 microns. The average dimension of a cell nucleus is about 6 to 10 microns. This means a large fraction of the beta from tritium decay is deposited in the nucleus where it is bound to cause numerous double breaks of DNA molecules and the genetic damage that goes along with these breaks. Such mutagenic effects were observed in the vole population around Chernobyl after the nuclear accident as a result of tritium contamination in the drinking water consumed by the vole population. (Considering the damage to gene cells of the body, the EPA drinking water standard for tritium, 20,000 pico curies per liter, is way to high (about 100 times) to prevent unreasonable damage to gene cells. Small breeding populations of animals, including some populations of humans, can be unreasonably affected by such high bodily tritium concentrations as allowed by the current standards. The justification by the EPA and the ICRP that any defects in the genetics passed on to the society get greatly diluted to reduce risk, does not apply to small breeding populations. And of course, if you are one in a million of the people at risk that develop a health problem that is non-mutagenic , it does not help you at all.) I am one to believe that there should be no risk to vertebrates, except birds, existing around
Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Palladium prices
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: if deuterium works well with nickel electrodes, as Mizuno indicates - then why would anyone want to pay hundreds of times more for palladium? Perhaps for the tritium. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio
ChemE, What is the avg radius of detrimental health effects around the Doppler stations? -mark From: ChemE Stewart [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Bob, agreed. I told the biologist that is running statistics that I think the microwave radars may be breaking RNA/DNA strands and triggering single stranded RNA viruses like norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships. http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/04/27/were-cooked/ On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','frobertc...@hotmail.com'); wrote: Dave-- One possible effect is the resonant absorbtion of radiation by biologically active molecules, which cause ionization and destruction of the molecules. This is particularly damaging when the molecule is a DNA or RNA molecule. Weak H bonds occur in these molecules and such destruction leads to modified DNA or RNA activity. The average heating idea also is appropriate, however it is not as much as a problem as the destruction or disabling of the large molecules that control the body's production of other complex molecules. DNA in skin and eye cells would be more susceptible than those more deeply situated in the body. Reproductive organs near the surface of the body are more venerable to such radiation and hence to genetic changes that are passed on to offspring. Such a problem applies to humans as well a smaller animals and birds that have the least amount of shielding of their gonads. The other issue associated with DNA destruction could be the stimulated emission of tritium by the exposure to the intense radiation of the radars. Tritium is a bad actor when it decays in a nucleus of a cell. The beta from the tritium is about 18 Kev. This energy is deposited over a path of about 6 microns. The average dimension of a cell nucleus is about 6 to 10 microns. This means a large fraction of the beta from tritium decay is deposited in the nucleus where it is bound to cause numerous double breaks of DNA molecules and the genetic damage that goes along with these breaks. Such mutagenic effects were observed in the vole population around Chernobyl after the nuclear accident as a result of tritium contamination in the drinking water consumed by the vole population. (Considering the damage to gene cells of the body, the EPA drinking water standard for tritium, 20,000 pico curies per liter, is way to high (about 100 times) to prevent unreasonable damage to gene cells. Small breeding populations of animals, including some populations of humans, can be unreasonably affected by such high bodily tritium concentrations as allowed by the current standards. The justification by the EPA and the ICRP that any defects in the genetics passed on to the society get greatly diluted to reduce risk, does not apply to small breeding populations. And of course, if you are one in a million of the people at risk that develop a health problem that is non-mutagenic , it does not help you at all.) I am one to believe that there should be no risk to vertebrates, except birds, existing around hazards that causes more than one health effect of the population subjected to the hazard. Important insects such as bees should be included in this no risk criteria. Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dlrober...@aol.com'); To: vortex-l@eskimo.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com'); Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vector Potential Wave Radio Radar systems detect the target based upon the average power incident upon it. This is due to the continuous behavior of noise which tends to mask the signal. Heating of the target becomes averaged out during the complete period of the base pulse which in this case is about 1 milisecond. Of course, the reflected wave must be generated by instantaneous currents on the target surface as you suggest. If the problem you are analyzing occurs during the 1 microsecond time frame then it is quite possible for it to be demonstrated. The skin effect also comes into consideration at the high RF frequencies which tends to reduce penetration of the signal into the target. Better conductivity of the material decreases the dept rapidly. A true Doppler radar would have the full heating effect due to the RF maximum power level as long as the antenna pattern illuminates the target you are considering. Also, the pulsed radar pattern of the radar mentioned impacts upon your desired target for a small portion of the dish rotation time. The average target heating must be adjusted accordingly. I do not understand the nature of the damage that you are considering with your research. If it is associated with the average heating as with a microwave oven then the pulse
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Decreasing probability to 46% based on lack of news from Nanor but up to 47% based on recent news from Darden in China: http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=118 hat tip: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/05/09/tom-darden-involved-in-opening-of-nickel-hydrogen-energy-research-center-in-tianjin-china/ Note: I suspect there will be an up to (-30%, +15%) swing in probability when the june report comes out. Big news indeed. On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 47% on the basis on Nanor / MIT videos. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Put that back to 43%: Mr. Darden earned an MRP in environmental planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,* a JD from Yale Law School* and a BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, make that 41%. It's not Cherokee but rather Tom Darden (investor, co founder of Cherokee) and Mr. Vaughn (senior analyst at Cherokee, BA Economics) who are the players here. It'd be good to find out who those other investors are. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability to 44% on the basis of Cherokee PR release. Big big BIG news. Now this is no longer about Rossi, but about Cherokee. I know you guys think I'm a git for my doubt, but hey, my model is wy ahead of the curve than the vast majority of the investing universe. XOM is still trading near historical highs, for example. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Increasing the probability back to 35% based on the latest news coming out of BLP and McKubre. Hopefully we'll see some more encouraging things soon. The next indie report on the ecat should be an interesting inflection report. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Fulvio , the tech Director R.D. at Leonardo Corporation MIAMI - FL - USA previous job was: Frelance Consultanthttp://www.linkedin.com/search?search=title=Frelance+ConsultantsortCriteria=RkeepFacets=truecurrentTitle=CPtrk=prof-exp-title European Gaming and Gambling Tech Markethttp://www.linkedin.com/search?search=company=European+Gaming+and+Gambling+Tech+MarketsortCriteria=RkeepFacets=truetrk=prof-exp-company-name -4% Now back to 31%. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: This is based on - STMicro patent (Increased about 4.5%) - Cherokee Investments (Increased about 2.5%) - Rossi stating third party reports in March (increased 2%) - Lack of news from Defkalion (-1%) News seems to be coming in fairly rapidly at this point. Could be updating this probability more frequently.
Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Decreasing the probability to 35% based on shattering news of the Defkalion demo being completely worthless. I hesitate to say it, but It almost sounds like fraud is being implied. http://animpossibleinvention.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/ At the time of the demo, few here were impressed with it, if I recall. I do not know why you would have increased your probability figure in connection with the demo, such that the recent evidence to come to light would take something back away from it. Eric
