Re: [Vo]:The Washington Times does not attack cold fusion
Jed Rothwell wrote: This is an article about the conflict between the West and some radical Muslim movements. The Washington Times is a conservative newspaper. There is no better argument for alternative energy than the beneficial effect such technologies would have on U.S. national security. If cold fusion or some other inexpensive and unlimited energy source were invented tomorrow, the Middle East could return to being the cultural and political backwater it was for centuries. I've sending letters to Amy Klobuchar, our Senator, and our Representative Keith Ellison. Senator Klobuchar is on some committee which is charged with cleaning up the environment. As for Rep Ellison, well he's the right color. In my last letter I told her that if we could double the fuel efficiency of the automotive fleet, we could stop importing oil. Nothing's happened, why am I not surprised? We right wingers have this idea that the leftists are attempting to collapse the American economy. It's stupid behavior like which makes us believe this. . Naturally, I hope the end of petro-dollars will reducing funding for terrorism! But I do not blame Middle Eastern nations because they happen to be sitting on a lot of oil and we have made them extremely wealthy. I think that was a misguided thing to do but it was our fault, not theirs. Baloney, they support terrorism because of Islam's desire to impose Sahriah Law on the entire world, and what the Qu'ran says about dying in jihad,. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Binary Resonant TC Primary Design
Harvey Norris wrote: this will called The Conversion of Time into Energy As I have mentioned the output energy will be shown by resonant ferrite heating, and the sources of its voltage will be shown to be obtained from a expanded time source made available by air core resonant magnetic mutual induction between phasings where two OK, what's the bottom line, did you succeed in harvesting any surplus energy? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Possible book of interest to Vorts...
The last I heard a patent expires after 20 years. OrionWorks wrote: From Mark Iverson: FYI, The Crime of Reason and the Closing of the Scientific Mind Robert D. Laughlin, Reviewed by Edward Gerjuoy Basic Books, New York, 2008. $25.95 (186 pp.). ISBN 978-0-465-00507-9 Editorial Reviews From Publishers Weekly The provocative premise of this short book is that even as we appear to be awash in information, governments and industry are restricting access to knowledge by broadening the concept of intellectual property to include things as diverse as gene sequences and sales techniques . According to Laughlin, the right to learn is now aggressively opposed by intellectual property advocates, who want ideas elevated to the status of land, cars, and other physical assets so the their --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
OrionWorks wrote: I recall two recent comments of worth: Harry Veeder wrote: If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious commentary as well? And from Stephen Lawrance: The specific problem was caused by incontinent spraying of political issues over every topic which was introduced. Good advice from Stephen. I should probably do that more often than I actually do. My own two cents: From what I could see the grok persona was using the guise of wanting to engage in discussions of political ideology primarily as a preferred weapon of choice in which to slay his perceived enemies. I Grok also butchered the English language, and refused to correct his spelling. He made many inane comments about how societal problems were the fault of our capitalist system. Marxism is a religion and dialectal materialism is it's theology. It says that everything has an economic cause, and that men are only motivated by economic considerations.It's followers project their own bad behavior, by imputing them to others. I stopped reading his posts last month, and only read what he said when he was quoted by other Vortexians. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:BAN ON POLITICS still in effect here
Alexander Hollins wrote: Lets NOT actually discuss the political posts that caused the whole furor on this list, mmmkay? That's just throwing gasoline back on the fire that our good moderator is TRYING to put out. You want to discuss grok and his posting habits and politics directly, send it to B where it belongs PLEASE. Oh contrare. My posts dwelt with the sciences of epistemology; the study of knowledge and praxeology; the study of the root causes of human behavior. We just witnessed an example of the sort of rude and obnoxious behavior which post modernity has produced in a segment of the population who have embraced it's various philosophical elements. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, thomas malloytemall...@usfamily.net wrote: OrionWorks wrote: I recall two recent comments of worth: Harry Veeder wrote: If political commentary is banned, why not ban religious commentary as well? And from Stephen Lawrance: The specific problem was caused by incontinent spraying of political issues over every topic which was introduced. Good advice from Stephen. I should probably do that more often than I actually do. My own two cents: From what I could see the grok persona was using the guise of wanting to engage in discussions of political ideology primarily as a preferred weapon of choice in which to slay his perceived enemies. Grok also butchered the English language, and refused to correct his Marxism is a religion and dialectal materialism is it's theology. It says I stopped reading his posts last month, and only read what he said when he was quoted by other Vortexians. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:paper on fuel cells
Horace Heffner wrote : Unless I missed something, there is insufficient information on this site to make any kind of determination of the economic viability of the technology. For your edification, here is a paper on fuel cells that I alluded to previously, http://apolloenergysystems.com/_pdfs/alkaline_FC_manuscript.pdf The introductory page is interesting, then jump to page 13 which is a discussion of Apollo's fuel cell --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:paper on fuel cells
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jun 7, 2009, at 9:37 AM, thomas malloy wrote: Horace Heffner wrote : Unless I missed something, there is insufficient information on this site to make any kind of determination of the economic viability of the technology. For your edification, here is a paper on fuel cells that I alluded to previously, http://apolloenergysystems.com/_pdfs/ alkaline_FC_manuscript.pdf The introductory page is interesting, then jump to page 13 which is a discussion of Apollo's fuel cell Again, there is no information that permits determination of the economic viability or even the safety of the technology in the proposed mode of use. It's perfectly safe if : the fueling station and the vehicles are garaged in a fenced yard, attended to by qualified personal, and aren't involved in an accident, or a terrorist event. There is no indication whatsoever that the technology is or can be economically and safely packaged such that ordinary consumers can operate it safely in a residential area. Further, there is no analysis or even indication it is competitive with alternative technologies. I saw a mention of how many miles the vehicle could get from a gallon of it, but I haven't noticed it again. I can get the amount of energy required to make a pound of it. I consider the note Poisoning by Inhalation completely reversible to be ludicrous. Dead is dead. Burned lungs don't become unburned. I'm reminded of the time that I generated a test tube of NH3 in chemistry lab. The instructions said to take a wiff, I took a big nose full. It felt like someone had pushed two red hot knitting needles up my nose and through my head. The back of my head itched. I bent over double in pain. Some asked the teacher, will he die? His responce was, no, I think that he'll survive this one two. I had previously gassed myself with SO2. Anhydrous ammonia, which is the kind used for cracking, must be stored under pressure, and is much more dangerous than the household type ammonia containing chemicals. Anhydrous ammonia handling is relatively safe when done industrially by trained personnel with appropriate safety equipment. It is not the kind of thing that should be considered safe for general consumer use without extensive testing. I've been told that the operators will have to have hasmat licenses. Even then, passing underwriter's tests, getting their approval, might be nearly impossible. Going from engineer supervised operation in a small population to operation by a vast consumer public is precisely what Murphy invented his law to describe. I'm going to mention the potential for release in the case of : accidents, terrorism, and methamphetamine manufacture, too. Home Land Security insists on a chain of custody certificates on it. I've contacted both them and Dept of Transportation, inquiring about regulations on such a vehicle Also, I haven't seen any prior reference by you to: http://apolloenergysystems.com/_pdfs/alkaline_FC_manuscript.pdf I looked at both papers and they seemed identical. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Notes on Jack Sarfatti's paper
Vortexians; I took some notes on Jack Sarfatti's paper on the Energy of the Vacuum. So, hoping that it initiates a discussion: Does anybody understand what a nonlocal pair entanglement operator is? What does Bell - basis liaisons dangerous, mean? As I recall, other physicists, Hal Puthoff among them, believe in a flat world view which would lead to a false vacuum. Does that mean anything to anybody? This view of the world leads one to conclude that M^2 0 and Beta 0. In Dr. Sarfatti's opinion, the correct view is that of a curved world; produces a true vacuum. This results in a different shaped curve in which M^2 is 0 and Beta is 0. This yields an effective potential, in Jack's opinion, to the left we have a massive Higgs Oscillator with an amplitude of psi. To the right we have a gapless Goldstone Oscillator with a phase of psi. Psi = a virtual tachyon. Einstein's gravity is from modulating phase of psi. The base is on a complex plane. Jack calculates that passing the space time stiffness barrier will require an energy of 1 Fermi bend per 4 billion metric tons equivalent applied external electromagnetic energy. Jack contends that Hal Puthoff's ideas on cohering the ZPE are wrong. This is the closest that Hal gets to a credit. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:grok is removed temporarily
William Beaty wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, William Beaty wrote: To resubscribe, I require that he apologize for his off-topic postings, reveal his identity, and promise to eliminate all political commentary. Grok said no thanks, to the above. I say good riddence to the troll. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:grok is removed temporarily
William Beaty wrote: To resubscribe, I require that he apologize for his off-topic postings, reveal his identity, and promise to eliminate all political commentary. I'd like to require him spell properly. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:anomalous DNA changes
OrionWorks wrote: From Thomas: www.Awakening-Healing.com http://www.awakening-healing.com/ News in the Now Multi-Dimensionality, ET, Cosmic, Comic, Comet Ok... at this point it's time to start asking questions like: References please? I think AC's Childhood's End was more entertaining. But then, I could well imagine that Vince Dinglelink would have something interesting to say on the matter. But alas, I've received no recent entanglements on this subject. I agree. I've heard the Indigo Children and that some people have developed (were born with) an immunity to HIV. These people OTOH, have gone totally over the top with the boy whose immune to everything. As for the Chinese super psychic, I'm reminded of the 1956 science fiction novella, The Stars My Destination. BTW I came across a copy of the anthology in which it was published in a used book store the other day. OTOH, Otto Schmitt told me a story of a boy who claimed to have teleported. I visited their website. They are totally, out of the box, and unapologetically, New Age. Unless someone finds out otherwise, I'm going to relegate everything they say to the B S file. Well, not the astrology, that worked the time I tried it. I think that their giving that dog a Ph D is totally shameless. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:hydrogen storage as anhydrous ammonia
Vortexians; We have previously discussed the subject of hydrogen storage and utilization. I'm writing to solicit your opinions on this technology. http://www.apolloenergysystems.com/ publications. Their plan is to recharge the cobalt lead battery, which, AFAIK is a variant of the lead acid battery, with the ammonia fuel cell. The literature says that this battery has an energy storage capacity in KW / KG comparable to a Li ion or a Ni hydride battery, at 20 to 25 cents on the dollar. I'm excited by this, and have suggested that they start marketing them. What I'd like to discuss is the carbon footprint and the cost effectiveness of recharging the battery by : A plugging it into the grid, or B : using anhydrous ammonia to power the fuel cell. AFAIK, the production of anhydrous ammonia requires prying N2 apart. As I recall, this requires 14K calories per mol, which is one reason that NO3 based explosives work so well. I don't see where that energy is harvested, so the cracker should get real hot. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:anomalous DNA changes
OrionWorks wrote: From Leak: ... But, the sodium vapor lamp bit is still a great party trick. in puberty i had such excellent control i could point at lights nearby Na vapor lights fail in that manner. Anyone know what might cause a flaky CD player to act up by a simple wave of the hand? ...or can I fantasize myself as a latent Uri Geller in training! 8-0 Uri Geller taught Otto Schmitt to bend spoons. If a human can do that, he could make a CD skip. Otto said that you rub the metal until it gets soft. I've tried to figure out how to do this. It would be real useful in making prototypes. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT: What Trolls can Teach us About Ourselves
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: OrionWorks wrote: Regardless of whether one likes or dislikes interacting with trolls, Trolls have no interest in balanced discussion, nor in learning from the I detest all trolls, and that includes Grok, who certainly gave every Trolls are not spammers, trolls are not scammers, trolls are not crackpots. Trolls are vandals: their goal is to break things. I find absolutely nothing appealing about that. Amen --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:anomalous DNA changes
www.Awakening-Healing.com http://www.awakening-healing.com/ News in the Now Multi-Dimensionality, ET, Cosmic, Comic, Comet InterPlanetary News *Children of the New Dream Interview* with Drunvalo Melchizedek By Diane Cooper Diane: So Drunvalo...who are these Children of the New Dream that you are so excited about? Drunvalo: Well there are 3 different kinds of children emerging in the world today that I have been able to identify. The first are called the Super Psychic Children of China. The second are called the Indigo Children and the third are called the Children of AIDS. The first one, the Super Psychics of China, we talked about in the Flower of Life seminars. If you remember, the first one was discovered in 1984 when a child was found who was psychic beyond belief. Researchers conducted every psychic test you could imagine and he was 100% correct every time. You could turn cards over in another room and that didn't matter. He could perfectly know what was on the card. So Omni magazine went to China and wrote an article on this discovery. They found one child and then another. When they went in 1984 they assumed it was a hoax so they did experiments like putting 100 kids in a room and taking a book and randomly pulling out a page. They would crumple it up and stick it under their arm. These kids could read every word on the page. They did test after test, and the response was flawless. The phenomena didn't stop there. These kids are not just in China. They have spread all over the world. I personally have been talking to parents who ask me, ...what do we do.. I have a kid who knows everything? I believe Lee Carroll is calling the children being born here in the U.S. the Indigo Children. I personally think the two groups are coming from the same source, however, I don't know that for sure. There appears to be two separate groups, incredibly psychic and amazing. It is the third group that I am most interested in - the Children of AIDS. About 10 or 11 years ago in the US, there was a baby born with AIDS. They tested him at birth and at 6 months and he tested positive for AIDS. They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was completely AIDS free! In fact, there was no trace that he ever had AIDS or HIV whatsoever! He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are called codons. Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway...this boy had 24 codons turned on - 4 more than any other human being. Then they tested this kid to see how strong his immune system was. They took a very lethal dose of AIDS in a petri dish and mixed it with some of his cells and his cells remained completely unaffected. They kept raising the lethalness of the composition and finally went up to 3,000 times more than what was necessary to infect a human being and his cells stayed completely disease free. Then they started testing his blood with other things like cancer and discovered that this kid was immune to everything! Then they found another kid with these codons turned on - then another one then another one - then 10,000, then 100,000, then a million of them and at this point, UCLA, by watching world-wide DNA testing, estimates that 1% of the world has this new DNA. That breaks down to approximately 60 million people who are not human by the old criteria. Diane: Is this new codon activation found only in newborn children? Drunvalo: Well, it's mostly children, but now they are finding adults with it too - just like the hundredth monkey theory. Now all kinds of people are being affected by it and it's spreading fast. Remember, it started just 5 years ago with almost no one and now it's spreading - just like a disease. It's like an outbreak and this is only the beginning. The other part of this concerns the new book entitled Cracking the Bible Code - which has to do with running the Hebrew Books of the Bible through a specialized computer program. If you go to page 164 of this book, it shows where these researchers put the word 'AIDS' into the program to see what would happen. When they did, the program translation provided words like HIV, in the blood, the immune system, death - all the things you would think you'd see around the word AIDS, but down in the corner was this sentence that they didn't understand and it said - the end of disease, and that is what I believe is happening here.
Re: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture
Rick Monteverde wrote: Jed wrote: If you would like to argue that salt or CO2 in the wrong places in the wrong amounts are not pollutants, let's see some reasons. Hum, I assume the plan is to bury the NH3 (CO2)2. I wonder what happens when it gets hot? Wait a minute! - Anthropogenic contributions of CO2 to the atmosphere is warming earth's climate (and we're at the tipping point Hum, it's almost summer here in the great northwest, why am I wearing this sweater? Oh yes, that's why they call it climate change. In your version of a science forum, then tell us if we can't show evidence that it isn't true, we should basically just shut up and smell the socialism? Ah, the voice of discent! Ok, I'll play: - Invisible elves from the Crab Nebula in Orion are controlling the Federal Reserve Bank from their base on the back side of the moon. Wrong! There not invisible, haven't you seen the pictures of the Grey Aliens? And that explains everything that's happened to the US economy lately, as confirmed by numerous people who have studied these things carefully and can't possibly be wrong. There it is. Hmpf. I've just been informed that the money spent so far would have given every American $500,000 . Which is one hell of a lot of money, I wonder where it all went? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:biological transmutation
Taylor J. Smith wrote: Rick Monteverde wrote: Jed wrote: Joking aside, why is it that so many people refuse to face the fact that the main reason for our current economic problems is simple theft? The thieves managed to get the law (and the rules) changed so that they could not be prosecuted. Theft? The Arabs didn't force us to purchase their oil. If The Oligarchy did suppress viable F E technology, then they did something. that has just suffered a massive embezzlement. Massive embezzlement, that's it, but if F E technology proves to be impossible, then it's just business. It's hard to run a business without cash or credit. Fortunately the federal government can just print money, which they are not doing fast enough. Crank up those printing presses boys! On a lighter note, on the subject of long-range communication for cellular level diffusion, there is a fascinating article in the May/June issue (Issue 85) of Infinite Energy, starting on page 25, titled Experimental observation and modeling of Cs-137 isotope deactivation and stable isotope transmutation in biological cells. I'm sure that the physicist's union, APS, would fail to see this as a lighter note. OTOH, based on your synopsis, documented biological transmutation occurred, I think that it's great! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Shanahan goes off the deep end!
Jed Rothwell wrote: William Beaty wrote: I had a large insight into my own psychology, and theirs. My inner bigot tells me exactly what's going on: CF-haters respond to CF supporters in the same way that racists respond to non-whites: with intolerance, with very strong feelings of superiority, and with buried hatred. It's definitely an ego thing, but it seems to better fit the mold of race hatred. In the case of the late Douglas Morrison this was literally true. He used to publish papers and give lectures about what he called the regionalization of results theory. He made the following assertions: * Nearly all original scientific work has originated in northern European nations, or by people who in the US who emigrated from northern Europe. * Cold fusion, which he considered pathological science, had been mistakenly replicated only in southern European nations such as Italy, or non-European places such as Japan and India. He had a barrage of statistics to prove this theory, which I called his Aryan Science Numerology. He described it in one of his newsletters: He claims he was greatly astonished but in fact he was going around giving lectures about this regionalization theory long before cold fusion emerged. Mallove sent me some Morrison lecture announcements he dug up. He was a deceitful, spiteful, mean wretched person, and racist to the core. Wow, he truely was racist to the core. It's too bad that the Israeli Jews weren't doing any LENR research at the time. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
Rhong Dhong wrote: --- On Sun, 5/31/09, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Good one! Floating proteins come wiggling in from afar and find their I have had the pop-science idea that the reason the proteins, and other bits and pieces, found their mates, and found them so quickly, was that at their scales, just randomly I'm a big fan of energy medicine, which a form of energy some times called scalar or nonorthogonal. I assume that the target is emiting a form of which attracts the requisite pieces, or perhaps vice versa. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:U.Missouri Videos
I very much enjoyed the O J Simpson and Al Frankenstein piece. I'm going to forward it to the webmaster of Minnesota Democrats Exposed. Thanks for the laugh. OrionWorks wrote: From: Jed from Jones Good! If you could lose the one by Peter Handel I would appreciate it. That guy irks me to no end. He and Nate Hoffman are the two most annoying I think you should at least nominate the later two luminous d-heads for inclusion in one of my favorite online parodies: Dickipedia http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Main_Page ... and say, what Bob whatshisname ... you know, the prototypical dick? An amusing parody on Wikipedia. I had not heard of'em till now. I see they are equal opportunists. There are entries for both Ann Coulter and Al Franken. Leprechauns --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Mylow Outted
William Beaty wrote: Anyone want to speculate on *why* people post huge involve hoax videos? It's not always money, not always disinformation. I bet it's just plain dishonesty. Some people are mild psychopaths, and for them, lying and truth aren't much different. Genuine discoveries are hard to do, On Sun, 24 May 2009, Terry Blanton wrote: And it was just phishin' line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw-8YJvicrwfeature=channel Of course, the MIBs forced his to do it: http://pesn.com/2009/05/21/9501543_Mylow-fakery-forced/ If I had a dollar for every time someone has told me, They (The Oligarchy) won't allow a F E machine to come to market, I'd have a lot more money than I have now. Ed Storms noted that he has yet to have the M I B pay him a visit. I'm still looking for a machine which will answer Puthoff's One Watt Challenge. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:magnetic motor
I have previously heard of this Australian inventor claims that his motor produces 24 KW. Has anybody heard anything about him lately? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_MNR=1 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: Great biological mystery force Re: [Vo]:GATC and ESP
leaking pen wrote: Something to remember. electrons don't actually orbit the nucleus. they bounce around randomly, perhaps actually appearing and dissapearing, or, tunneling, within vague cloud like areas known as orbitals (because of the old Neils Bohr orbital model of the atom. ) Perhaps the nucleus is a toroid and the electrons go through the hole in the center. When electrons are shared in a chemical bond, they bounce back and forth between the filled orbitals of the paired atoms, spending weekends with daddy and weeks with mommy (mommy being the most electronegative of the pair, if they arent the same atom) Now, this fact, based on the distances involved in chemical bonds, means that what a classic Generation X analogy! but it might be. (Favorite chem teacher ever. Was not afraid to say, I don't know. ) wonderful teacher might that form of electron tunneling be your radio signal? jumping to orbitals that are the exact same energy, because its the same element at the same energy state? Why not, radio waves are electromagnetic radiation, ditto for light. . --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Jack Sarfatti' paper on the ZPE
Someone mentioned the Sarfatti name, and I Goggled Jack. The paper goes along like a standard scientific treatise and then suddenly he throws in some totally off the wall gibberish about UFO's traveling through worm holes. I've heard that Jack and Hal Puthoff don't get along. He criticized Hal, but didn't put him in the credits. http://stardrive.org/Jack/Casimir.pdf --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Thesitv evolutionary site
An interesting site which makes the case for thestic evolution. http://biologos.org --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Compression and LENR?
OrionWorks wrote: From Harry Veeder Suppose a loaded palladium rod was bent. Would the region of the rod in compression yield more LENRs? Harry A follow-up. What if the loaded palladium rod was subjected to ultra-sound frequencies. Could certain frequencies resulting in enhanced kinetic interaction (and compression) lead to enhanced fusion reactions? It would seem that such speculation would seem to lead squarely into the realms of sonofusion and Taleyarkhan's work. Don't forget the Paintelli Patent. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:letter to William J Broad
William J Broad New York Times Dear Mr. Broad; Someone posted your article on the National Almost Ignition Facility on Vortex-L, scientific anomalies. I appreciate your mentioning the reservations that some people have regarding this boondoggle. The physics establishment, P E, has done their best to squander as much taxpayer money as possible on technology, which some of us believe is a dead end. One of the Vortexians, Ed Storms, retired from Los Alamos National Laboratory, has written about a problem called the first wall. Dr. Storms argument is that, even if they can succeed in getting more energy out than they put in, they have no idea how to solve the first wall problem. He is of the opinion that there is no solution to the first wall problem. I would also like to mention my pet peeve, that there are several alternative approaches to the problem of finding a pollution free source of energy. The P E, and their union the American Physical Society, has done their best to strangle all of these technologies in their cradle. We, researchers in these technologies, have be self funding, while the P E continues pushing ahead down the dead end road, paving it with government money. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Zitter and ZPE
Horace Heffner wrote: Epigenetics crosses multiple generations. It may play a significant role in what makes a chicken a chicken. The chicken is more than its DNA. The chicken may in significant part be the egg, and the mother's egg, etc. http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/821 Interesting article Horace. In particular I noticed the mention of Junk DNA. It's like me taking a machine, which I don't understand, apart and then labeling some of the parts as junk. It has been suggested that perhaps some of the information encoded in the DNA is in the folding. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:letter to Shirley Jackson
Vortexians; What you you think of this letter? Shirley Jackson, Ph D President Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Dear Dr. Jackson; I saw a broadcast of your address at the Bakken Museum on Twincities Public Television. You seem interested in innovation, so there are some matters that I'd like to bring to your attention. There is a basis in theoretical physics to believe that the zero point energy could be cohered to provide a pollution free source of energy. The quantum theorist Hal Puthoff of earthtech.org has coauthored a series of articles which were published in Physical Review. They speculate about the interaction of the ZPE and matter. It appears that the effect can be optimized by use of torsion field physics of Nicloi Kozyrev. Despite well documented replication of anomalous energy, in these experiments, the American Physical Society treats this technology like it doesn't exist. We have to self fund our experimental activities. Worse, there is also a well documented pattern of suppression of this technology. I will probably have to leave America in order to bring this technology to the market. I find this behavior inexplicable given the opposition which has been raised to our continued poisoning of the atmosphere with carbon dioxide. It's clear to me that we need a Manhattan Project sized effort in order to stop this poisoning of our environment. I have attempted to get a commitment from President Obama putting his administration on record as opposed to the continued suppression, in vain. It would seem to me that this is the least that they could do. Given your involvement with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, I'd also like to mention the suppression of the use of induced nuclear reactions. The website, lenr-carn.org has over 3000 papers, some in the form of synopsis, others in the form of a .pdf document. I realize that the experimental results are difficult to reproduce, and that so far, no usable energy has been produced. However in the 60 minutes segment on cold fusion the APS's representative took the standard party line, about not seeming to care about the experimental results, his mind having previously been made up. It's clear to me that if, following the experiment; you extract a metal which wasn't there before, and that metal has an isotopic spectrum containing a large amount of 2%'ers, isotopes which occur in nature in concentrations of less than 3%, that is anomalous. This anomaly doesn't seem to be clear to either Dr. Robert Park, or Dr. Zimmerman. While Dr. Park was initially reported to be contrite, following the 60 Minutes broadcast. Later he was later back spouting the party line, of voodoo science. Why am I not surprised? this is the APS's business as usual. I noted what appeared to be your support for that boondoggle at Yucca Mountain. I can just imagine the streaks of protest that would result if you attempted to bury that waste in the layer of basalt in northern Minnesota. I don't blame the people of Nevada one little big for opposing it. Particularly since the technology to render it nonradioactive was demonstrated over ten years ago. Dr. Park has yet to repent of his attacks on Dr. Randall Mills of Black Light Power, which in my opinion were as the basis of the recension of BLP's patent. This despite BLP's having sold licenses for it's technology. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:another better battery.
Michel Jullian wrote: 2009/5/20, mix...@bigpond.com mix...@bigpond.com: In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 19 May 2009 15:31:41 +0200: Hi, Still, the figure is amazing. A 52 kWh battery would only weigh 52000/2600= 20 kg, ~10 times less than Eestor's EESU of the same capacity is supposed to weigh :) I've been researching the lead cobalt alkaline battery, which has an energy density of 109 watt hours per kilogram. According to the patentee, this is similar to the lithium ion or metal hydride batteries. The energy density that you're talking about is 20 times that. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Mengoli paper
Harry Veeder wrote: 2009/5/7, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I wrote: This is rather frustrating to me. Here we have a drop it down a well, because practically no one is going to pay that kind of money for information on cold fusion. Have they considered selling a CD version or making it available for e-readers? On that note, let me emote. Ed Storms sent me a list of papers on isotopic ratios. Specifically the 2%ers isotopes which occur in concentrations of less than 3% in nature. If you do an experiment, and then discover a metal which wasn't there before, and a large amount of it is a 2%er isotope, that should tell you something, unless your name is Parksie of course. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough
grok wrote: Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/ hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into their electron structures..? --Mike Carrell: Mills has explored many schemes for extracting energy from the plasma, and has a patent for one which I consider unfeasible. In one experiment, two probes are inserted into the plasma. If one proble is Surely there has to be a method to sweep the plasma around and drink all that energy up -- good, down to the last drop. Why not place rotating Kiril Chukanov has some novel ideas in that respect. See chukanovenergy.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Energetics' Newsletter
Energetics Technologies wrote: */60 Minutes/** – “Cold Fusion is Hot Again”* */An Energetics Technologies Update/* May 1, 2009 On April 19, 2009, CBS News program /60 Minutes/ broadcast a story entitled, /‘Cold Fusion is Hot Again’/. */According to Alison Godfrey, CEO of Energetics Technologies LLC, one of the three laboratories profiled in the report, the response has been nothing short of extraordinary: /* “It’s not just the email and phone calls. We carefully monitor ‘cold fusion’ internet searches leading to our company website. Within minutes of the broadcast we began getting thousands of visitors from over 70 countries. We see blogging all over the world discussing the science. /60 Minutes/ was right. Cold Fusion is definitely hot again.” In the broadcast, reporter Scott Pelley profiled three laboratories, each conducting research in the field of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR), historically referred to as cold fusion: · *Energetics Technologies *a New Jersey based company with research facilities in Omer, Israel · *SRI International *of Menlo Park, California* * · *ENEA, *the Italian National Agency for New Technologies* * * * *_Godfrey points out that the broadcast did not clarify an important relationship between these labs_**:* “Viewers may have been left with the perception that these laboratories conducted their own research. */What wasn’t made clear is that Energetics Technologies pioneered the LENR process profiled on the program, which was then successfully replicated by both SRI and ENEA. /* One of the hallmarks of breakthrough science and technology is independent replication. Working closely with SRI and ENEA, our scientists have achieved that with historic results.** /60 Minutes/ obtained an internal document from the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency, known as DARPA, which according to the broadcast, /“concludes that there is ‘no doubt that anomalous excess heat is produced in these experiments’”./ The DARPA memorandum specifically referred to the results of the DARPA funded */SRI replication/*/,/ and to the */ENEA/ /replication/* of the research pioneered by Energetics Technologies. /60 Minutes/ also brought Rob Duncan, Vice Chancellor of Research at the University of Missouri, to the Energetics Technologies laboratory in Israel, where Professor Duncan concluded, I found that the work done was carefully done, and that the excess heat, as I see it now, is quite real. Says CEO Godfrey, “We are proud that our company has achieved landmark and historic research that has been replicated by two of the most prestigious independent laboratories in the world, and reviewed by DARPA and the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. We face the challenge of finding new sources of clean, renewable energy. It’s important that the public know that great strides are being made in this exciting field of science.” *For More Information* *www.energeticstechnologies.com* http://www.energeticstechnologies.com** *Media contact:* */Rick Kramer Media LLC/* Main - (856) 810-0303 Email – i...@rickkramermedia.com mailto:i...@rickkramermedia.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:MIBs Miffed at Mylow Minderbinder's Magnetic Motor
Jones Beene wrote: - Original Message From: Terry Blanton http://pesn.com/2009/04/03/9501537_Mylow-threatened_told_to_stop/ Can't even trust your own lawyer. That little detail is far easier to believe than a lawyer who makes house calls to an underemployed truck driver, who cannot even remember the lawyer's name. Hey, doofus - who did you write the check to, or was the legal work 'pro bono' ;-) Can you spell 'gullible'? Signed, Yossarian, esq. legal counsel to MMM Inter-prizes One of the Vortexians calculated that even if we mined all the neodymium in the crust and fabricated it into magnets, and build magnetic motors, they would at best provide 10% of our present energy consumption. OTOH, if the MIB come knocking on my door, well I'll keep you posted. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Patterson Interview
Vortexians; Several months ago I found Robert Patterson through an Internet search for Schauberger technology. In this clip Sterling Allen interviews him. While I find his energy antenna and wireless transmission of energy interesting, what I'd really like to get your opinion on is the lifter technology, so when you have 35 minutes, watch this. http://speedstream.netro.ca/osen/robert_patterson_uncut500.wmv --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:[OT] H1N1 Synchronicity
Mark Iverson wrote: I think I figured it out... Grok is not a real person. It’s a mediocre computer sci student's implementation of the Turing Test! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test Barely passing grade if you ask me. But it'd probably keep the shrinks busy for a few hours. IMHO, Grok is living proof of what Michael Savage, host of the Savage Nation radio show, contends, liberalism is a mental disorder. He is also proof that leftists view everything through the lens of, economics being the root cause of everything. His creative spelling is one manifestation of the leftist belief that they have a right to change the English language to fit their ends. Their most important end is usually the advancing of their political agenda. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:[OT] H1N1 Synchronicity
OrionWorks wrote: Thomas sez: IMHO, Grok is living proof of what Michael Savage, host of the Savage Nation radio show, contends, liberalism is a mental disorder. That's quite a bit of analysis there, Thomas. thank you. Pray tell, what have you pinned as the true root cause of everything? Sin And what's your solution? A Torah Observant theocratic monarchy. His creative spelling is one manifestation of the leftist belief I noted your comment on the 150,000,000 dead people Grok. Marxism and Fascism are opposite sides of the same totalitarian coin. Hitler conducted a sacrifice to his god, of followers of the G-d of Israel, 14,000,000 total. Stalin worshiped the image he saw in the mirror. The Oligarchy which put them both in power has pumped your head full of s__t. They have convinced you that more of what hasn't previously worked is just what the world needs. The return of the king is imminent, but not upon us. IOW, you still have time to repent, or you can burn. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:[OT] H1N1 Synchronicity
Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message - From: OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] H1N1 Synchronicity Thomas sez: IMHO, Grok is living proof of what Michael Savage, host of the Savage Nation radio show, contends, liberalism is a mental disorder. He is also proof that leftists view everything through the lens of, economics being the root cause of everything. I suppose it was a liberal that said Love of money is the root of all evil. What you say is true. If you take some of R Yeshua's quotes you can make him out to be a socialist. Jim Wallis of Sojourner's magazine is great hand to do that. If you ignore that Yeshua was Torah Observant, it's just amazing what you can justify using the red letters. BTW, I regard Wallis and his ilk as a wolves in sheep's clothing. My Rabbi and I agree that a wolf which as learned to take on the affectations of a sheep is the most dangerous animal in the woods. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:[OT] H1N1 Synchronicity
OrionWorks wrote: ... Grok sez to Terry: On the contrary -- capitalism very much DOES relate to fascism. NOST Ah, I see another informative political lecture is about to ramp up for our viewing pleasure... or perhaps not. In terms of pleasurability, Grok is right up there with a Roman flagilation. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:What's New Friday Apr, 24, 2009
Harry Veeder wrote: WHAT’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 24 Apr 09 Washington, DC Parksie pontificated, or should I say bloviated. 1. COLD FUSION: PLEASE, MAY I HAVE A CUP OF TEA? Energetics Technology, according to 60 Min correspondent Scott Pelley. An APS statement issued Wed. says this is totally false, and the APS does not endorse the cold fusion claims on 60 Min. (Aside: This morning I thought I should watch the video on the 60 Min web site one more time. Drat! CBS took it off. No matter, there’s a full transcript. Uh oh! The part where CBS says the APS picked Rob Duncan to look into the ET SuperWave is gone. CBS can change history? My God, time travel! Now that is powerful.) I think it's obvious that the endorsement of the APS is not in the same league as heating water, which is what SWF proposes to do. True to form, Parksie attaches more significance to the former rather than the latter, why am I not surprised? THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Tribute~2-Hawking~*~Newton left hitch-hiking~;-) ConceptCraft Prospectus: Quantum-Gravionic Point-Lead Focused Hyper-GravThrust
Harbach Jak wrote: ~*~NEWTON is LEFT HITCH-HICKING~*~Einstein Hawking Feynman brought us here* Anita @ Boeing Phantom Works: Since 'Spooky action @ Distance' is a Proven; and Russia has created a functional IN SHORT: Parallel-adjacent AEXO-DarkSpace is indeed TACHYON-FIELD SPACE. Really interesting post Jack! I'd love to read about it. YOU WROTE///Jack-- There's a lot of theory here. What are the goes-intos and goes-out-ofs for this propulsion system? Using Einstein, do we still need some Newton to move a spacecraft from one place to another? Anita If Danny Wu is not talking to you /or if you are not in the loop nor on the RD team then I understand that you're playing 'catch-up' here. Chief-Scientist/Project Coodinator Danny Wu/Phantom Works is the 'go-to guy' in your immediate chain of command. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 I clicked on the above link and it opened into a Window's Live site, what's up with that? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:60 Minutes, Orion Works, Jed, Jones
Mike Carrell wrote: Guys, heads up, it is going to get interesting. The 60 minutes piece is a turning point worthy of celebration. Both technologies also point to a new era of physical understanding of the world. Sorting all this out will keep generations of grad students busy as the old guard of doubters gradually die off. Meanwhile the Jokers in the game will be an empowered EPA, and DOE, whose regulatory empires will be challenged. Stay tuned. Then there are the other horses in the race. There are various other methods of cohering the ZPE. Given LENR's problems with reproducibility, and BLP's need for sophisticated reactors, which limit it's use to industrial facilities, I wouldn't count the out. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview
OrionWorks wrote: Jed sez: What does Chubb's theory entail? It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose their identity and begin acting as one, sort of like For more information, see Scott Talbot Chubb's papers. Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) Sounds more like a Bose Einstein Condensate to me. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:It will be ironic if 60 Minutes has a major effect
Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: But the need was not as great as it is now. We have always said, on this list, that $5/gal oil would make a difference. IMO, it has. In that sense it is unfortunate that the price is back to $2. Don't worry, $5 / gallon gas will be back. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:It will be ironic if 60 Minutes has a major effect
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Don't worry, $5 / gallon gas will be back. What makes you think so? Do you expect the economy will recover soon, and the price will rebound? The great inflation has just begun. However I think that the economy will rebound. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:The latest round in the AGW debate
Vortexians; Yesterday Dennis Prager announced that Ian Plimer's new book on AGW will be available next month. It took some searching, but here is the link, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Heaven-Earth-Warming-Missing-Science/dp/0704371669/ref=pd_nr_b_1/280-2871694-9426045?ie=UTF8s=books Hum, I wonder if Google blocked this link? I did a second search on Yahoo. Those of you who are AGW advocates, Nick, et al, will find this site more to your liking, thepeoplespeak.org . I noticed that Ted, The Mouth of the South, Turner has a video link on this site. Hum, I wonder is he will put up some venture capital to help with FE machine development? I think that I'm going to ask, but I'm not going to hold my breath --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:A simple solution to reduce deforestation in developing countries
Terry Blanton wrote: Have I written an untruth? I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. Good come back! I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. You don't steal, or force other people to do business with you. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. Bravo! The way for any of the Socialists systems to work of coercion. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical. Exactly. grok g...@resist.ca wrote: As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:17 AM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: You can try all the mockery you want, fella. Worx on Fox News too, I understand. Maybe you people understand a few things abouyt fyzix -- and maybe you don't -- but you know jackshit about politix, that's pretty clear. Clear? Clearly I was in error since bots can spell. I understand one thing about politics. It churns. Terry ad hominem argumentation: the last refuge of a scoundrel. Terry's criticisms of your ideas are based on your twisted view of reality Grok, deal with it! You have the misguided idea that everything has a based on economics, and that the economic system will function on demand. You seem to be blind to the spiritual forces which control the world. The most misguided aspect of your ideas is that you fail to see that the abuses, which you so rightly decry, are a product of the Oligarchy, which has fostered them. Wake up, you're one of the bots who are promoting their Globalist Socialist agenda. Did I spell 'scoundrel' correctly, sirrah..? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:A simple solution to reduce deforestation in developing countries
Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:31 PM, grok g...@resist.ca wrote: The U.S. petit-bourgeoisie have a hyper-trophied view of their place in the Universe (given the totalitarian mass-media environment which bathes them in relentless distortions of Reality, 24/7). You are a bot, right? If not, you are one really funny guy. My Lenin and Marx are named John and Groucho (You're only as old as the women you feel.) Grok the Bot, that would be funny if: he didn't take himself so seriously. If my arguments have run off him like water off of a duck. If there were'nt thousands more like him. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Parksie on C F
Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone with the pen name nextbigfuture who I believe is Brian Wang wrote an excellent response to Sharon Begley's I just need to clarify, when did Parksie make his act of contrition? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:crazy
Rhong Dhong wrote: --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote: Until that clean country air was polluted with ash from 6+ million souls. If O as you call him, or any other American politician for that matter, wishes to follow the trail of the NSDAP, I will never cease to oppose them. Thus, I am part of the solution. If you mean the German civilians who were incinerated by the Allied 'area bombing', I agree. A terrible crime. No, we mean the 14 million European civilians who were murdered by the Nazis Did they all start goosestepping? I don't understand why you equate national service with nazis. The Liberal's ideas parallel Hitler's, that's why but don't drag in the poor old nazis. Haven't they been pilloried enough for the past 70 years? Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. These days, if you free spirits, you independent thinkers, want to say 'I do not like X', it seems you are programmed like a machine to add: 'X is a nazi'. If the shoe fits wear it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Fascism in the Near Future -was: Crazy?
Mark S Bilk wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:06:30AM -0500, thomas malloy wrote: ... As for space travel, IMHO, a launch platform If that's true, a lot of money could Perhaps they could, but they won't. BTW, isn't it interesting that the name I S S, could be pronounced as Isis, eh? Ditto for Intercollegate Socialist Society. Seems like Isis is a pretty nice Goddess -- the ideal mother and wife, matron of nature and magic, Goddess of motherhood and fertility: Yup, that just goes to show that you've drunk the Oligarchy's cool aide. Compare that with the characteristics of Jehovah, basically a genocidal psychopath: You have to look at the fruits of the two systems. One produced free societies where minorities had rights, the other produced an unbroken succession of dictatorships. As to socialism, in actual democratic socialism, Never has worked, never will work. where 5% of the population has 95% of the wealth. Social Democracy seems to work pretty well too. The all have Oligarchys. Liberalism destroys humans humanity. They become narcissists whose only concern is their next vacation, or satisfaction of what ever thrill appeals to them. Now they've elected a pathological narcissist President. He will do his best to destroy America. Whether this is by design or from insanity makes no difference. Mark S Bilk wrote: ... that the purpose of the corps is to protect national security. Protect it against what? President Obama is doing his best to bring in the New World Order. The bankers have total control over the issuing of credit, and so will revive the economy to some degree if they choose. They also That's manipulating the currency, which never has produced wealth, and never will produce wealth. What it does is milk out the wealth from the hands of the middle class. When they run out of money, the economy will collapse The physical evidence proves that in 2001 the World Trade Center was You've gone off the deep end here Mark. Thomas, you have omitted the references I gave containing the evidence that proves my assertions: I reject some of your conclusions because even a small conspiracy is difficult to cover up. It also absolves the Islamists of complicity, an example of a conclusion which I reject. When was the last time you heard of a Christian sucide bomber? Any But Christians have murdered many tens of millions of people. Calling yourself a Christian means nothing. Taking up your cross and following Rabbi Yeshua, the Torah Observant Jew, OTOH, that's an entirely different matter. Here's a fascinating trailer for you to enjoy. The characters are real, Interesting. Alex Jones sells videos on this type of subject: Alex chronicles the same world that I am. He's a conservative Catholic. While Alex and I have our differences theologically, we basically agree, see the last paragraph. Mildly interesting. Is there some NWO connection you meant me to see? It's the occult. Considering you're misguided remarks in the previous letter, I'm not surprised that you can't see the connection. Helena Roerich translated the works of Helena Blavatsky , who was a founder of the Theosophical Society. They had a direct connection to Tibetan mysticism. They channeled ascended masters, that means disembodied entities. Ditto for Lenin, who said that there are two sorts of people who support us, those who understand who god is, and the useful idiots. The second Russian Revolution was financed by a New York venture capitalist, Herbert Walker. His grandson was George Herbert Walker Bush. But what I'd really like to draw your attention to is the writings of H P Lovecraft. He talks about a monstrous race of super intelligent beings who mean to destroy humanity. The Wikipedia article mentions Lovecraft's mentioning Roerich's paintings in his writings. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Fascism in the Near Future -was: Crazy?
Kyle Mcallister wrote: --- Mark S Bilk m...@cosmicpenguin.com wrote: Compare that with the characteristics of Jehovah, basically a genocidal psychopath: http://www.evilbible.com/ snip But Christians (the quotes indicating those who disobey Jesus' teachings of kindness, love, peace, etc.) and Zionist Jews have plenty of _homicide_ bombers among them. They have murdered many tens of millions of people, far more than have the Moslems. I'd have pretty much diametrically disagreed with these parts of your post, until I ended up reading this Judges 11:29-40 This (and things like it) were never taught in churches, back when I actually used to go to them. Ditto for Judaism, the Midrash says, Jephthah acted improperly, he wasn't permitted to sacrifice his daughter, Phineas, the high priest, should have intervened, but he didn't and as a result both were punished. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:toroid hho
Zachary Jones wrote: nice show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRz0a2qiCtcfeature=channel_page Why does the gas production rotate? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Bob Park now calls it unimportant science.
Jed Rothwell wrote: Steven Krivit wrote: Jed, I share your amazement. Generally the prediction goes that they never concede, they take their views with them to the grave. When I first heard that Voodoo Bob conceded reality of LENR behind closed doors at a DoE meeting on Dec. 12, 2006 I tried to contact him. He avoided me. Can't say I blame him. It must be a bitter pill indeed. Long time Vortexians will recall my poem, Parksie's Damn Dam. Tom Valone recommended that Eugene Mallove publish it, which he did. Thus making me a published poet. I'm anticipating telling this story to Leon. He was involved in a start up. They had hired a former chemical engineering professor, Howard. He did his best to assure the principals that F E machines were impossible. He had previously promised to zap me with a stun gun if I mentioned F E machines just one more time. On seeing my poem Howard expressed sympathy for Parksie about being lampooned by Malloy's poem. This is the same man who refused to read Randall Mill's book, after his suspicion that, Malloy brought this around, were confirmed. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Those spicy citations you state below...are they Parksie or Petey? The stuff about rooting out? That was Park, at the APS. It was a memorable talk. I once had an audio recording but it is gone. I described it briefly in my Titanic paper and in some letters at the time. He started by I'm confused, you mention a 2006 date, is this the latest development, or has there been a recent update? Zimmerman stood by and said nothing. I noticed his badge before the talk, and afterward I went up to him, introduced myself and asked who did you say you work for again and can I take a photo. He said I am not The video that you mention, is I assume the one where the man's wife catches him in bed with another woman, and he asks her who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? I wonder is there is a video clip of him saying that? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Crazy?
Rhong Dhong wrote: I don't know why people are getting worked up about O's national service proposal: Americans need to get in line, toe the line, keep quiet, and obey orders. That sort of discipline would do wonders for them. O's proposal is a step in the right direction. Seig Heil --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Fascism in the Near Future -was: Crazy?
Mark S Bilk wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 07:29:08AM -0700, Kyle Mcallister wrote: Since there's apparently little to no interest in learning what I found re: the Morton effect, or what I've done/am doing with Laithwaite's inertial propulsion work, Kyle, I haven't read all of your posts, but if you achieve positive results in any alternative physics areas, by all means tell us (and post the complete details of the apparatus to hundreds of lists, in order to preserve your life). And if you're in need of advice regarding such experiments, this is certainly the place to ask for it. Have you read my letter, Stop the Suppression of Clean Energy? As for space travel, IMHO, a launch platform which combined the Cook Inertial Propulsion system and Schauberger's Repulsine would reduce the energy required by a factor of ten. The Oligarchy knows about both technologies, and they just used the Space Shuttle to haul material to the Space Lab again. BTW, isn't it interesting that the name I S S, could be pronounced as Isis, eh? Ditto for Intercollegate Socialist Society. What will those orders be? Obama has said several times that the purpose of the corps is to protect national security. Protect it against what? President Obama is doing his best to bring in the New World Order. America is an impediment to this agenda. The Oligarchy have done their best to bring about it's collapse. Now BHO can argue that he was just doing what he was programed to do, because he went to college. But the course of action that he is pursuing, borrowing and spending yourself rich never has worked, and IMHO, never will work. The physical evidence proves that in 2001 the World Trade Center was destroyed by explosives and thermite (which Arabs The 1993 truck bombing of the WTC was completely instigated by the FBI, using an Egyptian and an Israeli spy to infiltrate You've gone off the deep end here Mark. It true that the Islamist hijackers carried out their action coincident with the American radar system being turned off, and certain people kept it from being turned back on again. They were, just following orders, of course. My point is that this is the simplest solution. In order to maintain secrecy, everyone has to have plausible denabilty. When was the last time you heard of a Christian sucide bomber? Any person or group of Christians who advocated such a course would be roundly condemed by every Christian organization. Islam has jihad built into it's theology.The Oligarchy has taken advantage of this. Both ideas come from a common root. Here's a fascinating trailer for you to enjoy. The characters are real, the facts, well perhaps they're true too. Just the sort of movie that I'd like to make. http://www.adullamfilms.org/Video%20Clips/Phoenix%20TRAILER.wmv BTW, do a search for Nicolas Roerich, read the Wikipedia article on him, notice the connection to H P Lovecraft. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Muller Power
I visited the mullerpower.com site. I sent Mrs. Miller a letter in which I raised the dreaded self powering issue and mentioned Puthoff's one watt challenge. I wonder, what does Mark Goldes think about this? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:ref QED
Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner In fact, some molecular orbitals exist in a figure 8 configuration, where the center of the 8 is the nucleus, thus guaranteeing constant nuclear traverses. [JB:] Understanding the figure 8 configuration is perhaps the most important basic challenge in QM and it can also be said that most theorists are simply not up to the task. I've seen a model of the atom which has the nucleus as a torroid and the electrons going through the center of it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:The Mueller Motor
Vortexians; I read the first chapter of this book. It talks about the Mueller Motor. I corresponded with Mr. Mueller in the '90's I didn't heard any more from him. The book mentions the use of his motor as a generator for wind machines. This is an application, which is so obvious, that the failure of anyone to do anything about makes me question the veracity of his claims. http://www.breakthroughpower.net/Home.html --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Quad S
A mental control system, patented by the American Arny. This will make Grok throw out his T V set. http://proliberty.com/observer/20090118.htm --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Red Letter Day
Jones Beene wrote: Unfortunately, here on a wayward planet formerly ruled and nearly bankrupted by a Confederacy of hawkish Dunces - we cannot quip you've come a long way, baby ... more like you've come the wrong way, baby Just remember Jones, there really are people who want to take over the World, and an Oligarchy who has. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:LENR makes the BBC headlines
BBC does LENR, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7959183.stm I sent this feedback, It's about time, there's only been 3000+ papers published, see lenr-canr.org --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Inflation Ho!
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Obama's mega plan, and Bush's not-quite-so mega plan before it, involved nothing more than transferring a couple trillion dollars from taxpayers and bondholders to banks and related businesses. Transferring is the wrong word. It involved lending the money, at interest. In the case of AIG the government has taken ownership of 80% of the company. (In my opinion it should have taken large chunks of the other banks.) I'm not so sure about taking large chunks of the banks. I cannot pretend to understand this bailout. However, one thing seems clear: When it looked like Citibank and BOA were going to be nationalized, the stock market went into a full power dive. The AIG money is going to pay their policy holders for the money that they lost on bad loans. You may not like what Bush did with his bail out, but the economy has only contracted 10%. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Bob Boyce Interview
Interesting but long winded http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1779100537035350538ei=u8O2SaXUIoGyqAKm2vTyCwq=bob+boyce --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:A Sliceo'Time, Formally: 3-D Time
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: OrionWorks wrote: On a more serious note, What are the prevailing arguments in regards to determining the smallest slice of time? It's only bound waves which are quantized. So, an electron traveling along the X axis can apparently be found at any location on the axis -- 3, 2.5, pi, whatever. It can apparently My late friend, and some time physics tutor, Frank Meyer, who used to be president of the organization promoting Reciprocity, was fond of saying, time is not a dimension, it is a continuum. Some one posted a website with photos showing Bosivert Gaps. Frank said that they were in keeping with his understanding of physics, reality is discontinuous. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:CBC Radio show:Science and Common Sense
grok took another big drink of the cool aide and wrote: our senses, Sajay Samuel says, we have no basis on which to question science. He argues for a revival of common sense. What we all require is a revival of _dialectical_ sense. Dialectical thinking says that truth is relative. It says that words mean what the speaker wants them to mean. Consequently the Constitution can be a living document, meaning that it is OK to abridge someone's freedom of speech or religion because someone else finds their speech or ideas hateful. Dialectical thinking is the predominate world view in the western world, which is a major reason for it's continued deterioration. Dialectic thinking leads to the victim having a compartmentalized mind. Meaning that they can have different ideas in different parts of their mind. Another aspect of this is communitarian thinking, victims of this are unable to think on their own, preferring to follow the herd. The religious embodiment of dialectic thinking is syncranistic pantheism, all religions are OK, except for those which advocate absolute transcendent truths. Those are denigrated as hateful. Dialectical thinking is the opposite of didactic thinking. Didactic logic is the basis of science. Various Vortexians have raised the possibility of a conspiracy to account for some of the events associated with the various threads. IMHO, Grok has raised the underlying issue; the mechanism by which the Oligarchy has twisted the minds of the vast majority of the population. It is this twisting which accounts for the insanity we are witnessing. But such a revolution in thinking won't be happening while the capitalists control our money By focusing on capitalists you are ignoring the real issue, Grok. That being the Oligarchs. They exist across the spectrum of societies; from ones where free enterprise is allowed America, to ones where it isn't, Soviet Union, and the ones in between, which have private ownership, but public control. Private ownership of the means of production is a very efficient means of producing goods and services. In order to find a system like the one that the Soviets had superior, you just need to ignore all of the unpleasant consequences which it produced for the poor schmoes who lived under it, and the Oligarchs (aparchecks) who controlled it. compartmentalization, with everyone 'encouraged' to know only what they need to know. And most of them don't need to know. Dialectic thinking leads to the compartmentalized thinking that you decry Grok, for you to believe otherwise just shows that you've been drinking the Oligarchy's cool aide. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold
OrionWorks wrote: Thomas sez: According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. Haven't you also agreed with the assessment that there is a warming trend occurring? Isn't the argument about who or what is causing the prolonged warming trend? The Sun has an eleven year cycle. We're now at the bottom, Solar Quiesence. Having this coincide with a very cold winter fits with the solar driven model. Ditto for Horner's contention that global temperature has been decreasing for the past eight years. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website
OrionWorks wrote: From Jed: http://superwavefusion.com/ What does the Vort Collective think? Is there reason to remain hopeful, or is this just, well, another dog and pony show? I think that the Super Wave Theory is great! I assume that it relates to the use of multiple harmonics. I've been fascinated with Dale Pond's research into the area, see svpvril.com . Does Super Wave's website go into that detail? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. You do realize, I hope, that this has no bearing whatever on the validity of global warming observations. You do realize, I hope, that this has been an ongoing pattern this year. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:I told you it was cold
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Finally, I believe global warming is thought to produce temperature extremes including colder than normal temperatures in winter. That's why they call it Climate Change, it covers them either way. It only covers them if the climate is, in fact, changing. It has to change in either direction, or in both directions in different seasons. If the average for winter is no colder than it was 50 or 100 years ago, and summer is no warmer, that means they are wrong. The test they face is just as rigorous and easy to verify as it would be if the change is only in one direction, so they are not covered in any sense. That was brilliant Jed. I laughed more at it, than I did at Steven's silly poem. According to Christopher Horner, the AGW advocates have doctored the data to support the warning hypothesis, you OTOH, contend that the warming effect is real . . . Naturally I am assuming that they did not doctor the data. If they did, then the effect is not real. How open minded of you Jed. I may just have to procure a copy of Horner's book just to ascertain the veracity of his claims. However, as I said before, I think it is extremely unlikely that they doctored the data and yet none of the conspirators has revealed that fact. But it has been revealed, Horner's book is but one,of several which make the aforementioned claim. Tens of thousands of people would have to be in on the conspiracy and I think it is impossible for so many people to keep a secret. If the Horner, et al, are correct, there are a few well placed people beating the drum, and a lot of other people cowered into silence. From what I know of human nature I suppose the likelihood of this is zero to 8 or 10 decimal places. I am surprised that you or anyone else takes this hypothesis seriously. IMHO, the truth is right in front of you. If there were only a few dozen people involved in the conspiracy, then it would be plausible that the data has been diddled with. Unless we're right of course, and it's a conspiracy of tens of thousands, done in plain sight. See my next post --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:come April 8!
It will come as no surprise to people who have experienced winter here in the great frozen north, that the Mississippi River is frozen over at the Port of St. Paul. It has just been announced that the shipping season will begin later than normal. The latest that shipping has ever begun is April 7. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Red Hot Lies
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: And if you believe that, you will also believe that Martin Fleischmann, Stanley Pons, Ed Storms, Mike McKubre and ~2,000 professional scientists are engaged in a massive deception to convince the world that cold fusion is real by publishing fake data. Non sequitur Not at all, but I did not explain what I meant as clearly as Stephen A. Lawrence did: The notion that thousands of climate experts are engaged in a massive fraud is preposterous beyond words. It is conceivable that they are wrong, but absolutely, positively out of the question that they are engaged in fraud or that The point of my posting these reports is that there is a dissident group of planetary scientists who question AGW. You won't hear their voices in the main stream media because it is controlled by the Oligarchy. Prager has attempted to remedy this, by providing them with a forum. As for media complicity, Horner mentioned My Weekly Reader (Scholastic Publications) and National Geographic. Which have continued to publish this fiction and feed the hysteria. Horner mentioned several instances of their doctoring the data and graphs in order to support their agenda. As for corporate complicity, Horner recounted his experiences with Enron which was counting on something like this. As for global cooling. The earth, and the rest of the planets were warming up, then we went into a period of solar quiescence, and (according to him) the planet started cooling. We just had a really cold long winter, OTHO, it seems that other areas are hotter than usual. Perhaps I'll hear the interview again and I'll take notes, or one of you can read his book. Albert Gore (of all people!) is masterminding them. Algore is a major player in this, but a mastermind he isn't. As for keeping secrets, we (conspiracy theorists) have known about the Oligarchy and the mechanisms which have allowed them to accomplish their evil ends. Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow was written 20 years ago, nothing significant has been added since then. It (our knowledge) hasn't made any difference. I don't don't have a high opinion of Algore. Leftists are smart enough, but they have an insanity which makes them unable to see the error of their ways. Specifically, they seem unable to overcome the effects of this insanity, even in the face of the fact that their ideas have never worked, and that they destroy the population's humanity. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:I told you it was cold
According to a news report I just heard, Minnesota had a record low for March 12 this morning in Embarass. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:alkalinize or die
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b_0_5?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooksfield-keywords=alkalize+or+diesprefix=alkal --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Red Hot Lies
Vortexians; Dennis Prager just interviewed Christopher Horner, the author of Red Hot Lies. The thesis of his book is that the Oligarchy is planning making a lot of money off of the AGW hysteria. The inconvenient truth is that the Earth has been cooling off since 1998. Mr. Horner began by explaining how the AGW promoters have falsified data which conflicts with their assertions. He concluded his remarks by mentioning that Algore has a $300 million budget and that various media organs are complicit in promoting this hysteria. http://www.amazon.com/Red-Hot-Lies-Alarmists-Misinformed/dp/1596985380/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1236798185sr=1-1 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Red Hot Lies
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Dennis Prager just interviewed Christopher Horner, the author of Red Hot Lies. The thesis of his book is that the And if you believe that, you will also believe that Martin Fleischmann, Stanley Pons, Ed Storms, Mike McKubre and ~2,000 professional scientists are engaged in a massive deception to convince the world that cold fusion is real by publishing fake data. Non sequitur --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Lots of people reading Claytor today
thomas malloy wrote: grok wrote: Your posts show that you think that everything has an economic basis, Grok. This is a result of the aforementioned cool aide which was served to you, during your education, by the Oligarchy, which you willingly drank. Most likely paid for (willingly) by your parents. You're the one who's been to Jonestown, Malloy. That was a CHURCH, I believe. That's a cheap shot, Grok. To paraphrase the late science fiction author L Ron Hubbard. I'm sick of writing S F and getting paid by the word for my efforts. I'm going to start a church. Scientology is the result. We have previously discussed The Occultic Origins of America's Space Program. Since you missed it, I will synopsize. The man who founded General Dynamics was Jack Parsons. Jack was a student of Alister Crowley and a practitioner of magik. Two of his best pals were L Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlein. Do an Internet Search, the story is well worth reading. BTW, if you want to talk about a religion, consider Leftism. The works of the academic Saul Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals I've got the book somewhere here. Never read it. My tastes lean more towards Marx, Lenin and Trotsky -- the Unholy Troika from the Pits of Hell themselves. That figures. FYI, they were mere pawns. Although Lenin clearly understood things. To paraphrase, there are two types of people who support us, those who know who god really is, and useful idiots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:EEStor inventor
I just talked to a F E researcher. The inventor of EEStor's ultracapacitor has gone missing. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Energy News of the Weird: Denmark tilting at windmills
Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: The problem most likely is perhaps the utility has too large a base load supply, coal or nuclear, which is unresponsive to load changes. Pumped water storage for hydroelectricity is an efficient solution to this problem. The liquid battery sounds good too. A million European electric cars charging up at night with smart meters would be a great way to make use of excess electric power from wind turbines. Or electrolyzers, eh? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:Incremental nuclear threat increase
Dennis Prager just reported that the Taliban has taken over an area of Pakistan one hour north of the capitol. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:threat of nuclear war is low
grok wrote: As the smoke cleared, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I think there is no chance North Korea or Iran will use a weapon. They know they would be annihilated if they did. They may seem kind of crazy to us, ... right. And you all seem crazy to the rest of the planet too. Kim Jung Il is the despot king of a medieval nation, not a modern leader. His aggression toward us has nothing to do with us. The hell it doesn't. Your ruling-class and its stooges still haven't even yet paid for their crimes against the korean people Yah like freeing them from that evil lunatic. He does not fear invasion. He uses other countries and threats against them as a form of political theater within North Korea, as a way to gain advantage and crush his internal enemies. Not quite true. Your side does indeed threaten REAL invasion. This just doesn't happen to appear to be imminent. Fear invasion? He's the one planning on invading South Korea! This resembles what some far right U.S. leaders did during the latter stages of the cold war. I doubt that many of them actually feared Russia or worried that Russia might invade Western Europe. There was ZERO chance the Soviets were going to do what the U.S./NATO Maybe you haven't heard Jed, The Russians are continuing to build Typhoon class submarines. Did you sleep through last summer? Does the word Georgia, the country not the state bring back any memories? I doubt many Republican leaders today seriously believe that Obama is a socialist, but some of their followers believe this, and it is politically useful for them to say this. I think that he's a Socialist, and Newsweak agrees with me Of course they don't believe this. Point is that the Republicans are liars, thieves and mass murderers -- hell, just like the Democrats -- and will say absolutely anything, if they think it will get them something. And on that we could likely agree 100%. Both R and D are lairs and thieves.That doesn't change the fact that we live in a dangerous world which is full of people who want to impose the sort of dystopia that Orwell wrote about. Part of the problem is that Jed and Grok have been drinking of the Communitarian cool aid. I just listened to John Leoffler deliver a lecture on the subject see, http://www.khouse.org/6640/KICDA01-2/ --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Author believes energy breakthroughs have been suppressed
OrionWorks wrote: Some follow-up comments I presume this was from Jed, though I have not received the actual post: Finally, as for grok's most recent contributions, predictably he felt compelled to say something that he felt was presumably witty about this extremely contorted subject. I wish grok would post something useful or informative. Continuing to post judgmental opinions Grok is a classic example of what happens when you drink way too much of the Oligarchy's cool aide. As for you Steven, you may have noticed that link I posted that starts with the khouse.org , If you want to understand the effects on the human brain of the aforementioned beverage, and the origins of this mind melting concoction, I strongly suggest that you spend an hour listening to Mr. Loeffler. Thomas Malloy, Grog Baiter-in-chief --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:water fueled furnace
Any body up for doing a prototype? http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:HHOHHU_--_Hydroxy_Home_Heating_Unit --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Replications of zero current electrolysis
Jed Rothwell wrote: J. Klum wrote: Vortex mired down in political involvements . . . Nuclear war seems a lot less likely now than it used to, which tells that things don't always go to hell in a handbasket, and people are not always as bad as they can be. That is worth remembering in a crisis. What planet are you living on Jed? Did you hear the news? Pakistan (100 nukes) is being over run by Al Queda, Iran has enough material to build one, and they just launched a satellite. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:The coming of Maitraya
Ten years ago I heard about Benjamin Creme on C to C AM. Some people believe that Maitraya, the man he is introducing, is the Anti Christ. As this ad makes clear, he is jumping through all the hoops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf2asA2J85wNR=1 Then there is this clip which shows a strange star over Moscow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4E_Ak19x0NR=1 Just when I thought things couldn't get any weirder, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylh1P2MEIA0NR=1 Any of you people think that square object in the center of what I assume is a light in the sky is anomalous? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:The key to self-sufficient Energy
Jed Rothwell wrote: Rick Monteverde wrote: 2. It promotes economic growth according to Keynesian theory. Let's agree to disagree on that point. We don't disagree. You say the Keynesians are wrong and I say I don't have a clue if they are right or wrong. I am not taking their side. I am just reported what they say. Obama is definitely one of them. He has said so on many occasions. So was FDR. You're absolutely right Jed, both presidents were Keynesian's. It's not that it can't work in theory, the problem is getting it to work in practice. If the money from the Porkulus had been spent on funding venture capital projects, and if they had teams of people with business startup experience picking them, then it might have produced economic growth. Unfortunately a significant amount of the money was used to provide pork pies for the various left wing special interest groups who elected them. Well to the victor belongs the spoils. What if it had a few hundred million earmarked for LENR research? I'd have a terrible time going against it, but I know I should. It's supposed to be an emergency stimulus response. Well, as long as the few hundred million for LENR goes into the pockets of Americans, and is used to buy American-made lab equipment, that would make it a stimulus according to the Keynesian theory. It does not really If the money were to be spent on research, and that research were to prove fruitful, then it could produce economic growth. Of course this fanciful scenario assumes that there were venture capital available to capitalize these inventions. It also assumes that there were no Oligarchy determined to suppress the technology, and destroy America, and that there were no scientific establishment who were either in collusion with the aforementioned Oligarchy, or blindly protecting their favorite paradigms. Well, you know what happens when you assume, eh? So-called boondoggles or pork fail in category 3. They produce no benefit. But, as I said, WWII produced The original boondoggles were creations of WPA (whittle, piss and argue) workers, who spent their time creating them. WW II produced lots of savings, which were then spent to satisfy pent up demand. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, Thanks for taking the time to express your POV on this interesting subject. I enjoyed your dry sense of humor, rare that it was, that occasionally poked through the rhetoric and ideology. IMHO, your sense of humor is very wise. Hopefully there may come a time when you may allow yourself to listen to the essence of this vast reservoir of wisdom that is within Y_u, within us A_l. Well just keep this in mind, the world's condition continues to deteriorate, and time will not be yours for ever. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: leaking pen wrote: My thought has always been, if god created man in his own image, and man is inherently sinful... No, no, you don't have that right. I agree, it was Lucifer's rebellion that brought sin into the world. God created the angels, the Nephilim, and the human race, but His track Now, I said God wasn't real great at this creation thing; it wasn't just this mess-up with Lucifer which leads to that conclusion. Consider the Nephilim. They were, as far as one can tell, an early experiment in creation and they went seriously wrong. This is alluded to in Genesis, The way we interpret Genesis 6 is that the Sons of the Lords took on fleshly bodies and helped themselves to the daughters of men. In order to do this they had to give up their home in heaven. The fathers were sinful, the children were worse. The records say that the children the Nephilim were cannibals and worse. So G-d imprisoned them until the Day of Judgment. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
leaking pen wrote: why would god create a tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the ability to tell the difference between, if evil did not yet exist? Good question, I wonder what the Zohar has to say about it. Also, theres no good quote showing that satans fall DEFINATELY happened after man was created, no? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: There are some of us who believe that the world is old, millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of years old. Then there is the matter of the planet that might have been where the asteroids are today. IMHO, planets don't disintegrate, just the opposite. The late astrophysicist, Tom Van Flanderan authored a book on the exploding planet hypothesis. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Hundreds of billions for alternative energy, nothing for cold fusion
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Contact Minnesota's Senator, Amy Klobuchar. She read my letter on stopping the suppression . . . I will send her a version of my letter to Obama, which is here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm Excellent paper Jed, but it's President Obama. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
leaking pen wrote: Are you suggesting that the 4th planet is what happened the first time Satan got uppity? He was a murder from the beginning. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?
Jones Beene wrote: *From:* Stephen A. Lawrence Let me remind these John Galt, Rush Bimbo wannabes that if the Christ were alive today - he most assuredly would not only be strongly socialistic, much more strongly to the left than anyone in the Obama camp, but closer to full Communistic in his economic leanings and in I disagree with you Jones. The essence of any of the varieties of socialist regimes is the use of the power of the state, ie, force. This is anathema to the Bible. Richard Macaulay are G-d fearers, and we both support free market economics. The vast majority of people whose faith is based on the Bible are conservative. Socialism is, IMHO, an attempt on the part of sinful man to reproduce the sort of world order that the Bible talks about. That's why it has never worked, and never will work. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, You have stated most succinctly that in order to be accepted in what Believe, be baptized, follow the 10 commandments, love your fellow man as your self. That is the minimum. Another distinguished Vort member, Leak, has already responded with what Jesus had to say on this subject. As for my personal thoughts on the matter I would like to point out a few things you previously stated: A Holy G-d is obligated, because he is holy, to bring about the expiation of sin from the world. I'd love to do something Perhaps I misunderstood your use of the wording here because I find it odd to claim G-d is obligated to do anything. If he/she is It has to do with his nature, of which Kodeshim (holiness) is an integral part. BTW, the Hebrew text makes it plain that G-d is a plurality of personages (see the three pillars of the Medatron in the Zohar) at least one of which is male. The Holy Spirit, OTOH, is female. Also consider this, what to you think would happen if the human race, in it's present sinful condition, got loose in the galaxy? But that's really not what I want to discuss. You state: ... this expiation will require blood shed, if I were to do that, I would be a bigger murder than Joseph Stalin. Those are heavy words, Thomas. Such a statement causes me to wonder how you are able to personally reconcile what is considered to be one Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. of G-d's most important commandments, which you clearly state is, Nazis attempted to do to the Jews during WWII? If this is a fairly accurate assumption on my part I find myself Lucifer delights in producing counterfeits of G-d's plans. the Nazi's were honoring the gods that they worshiped, the pagan pantheon. As for innocent blood being required for the expiation of sin, explaining that is beyond my pay grade. Is it because He is the ultimate Boss, and what the Boss sez and wantz ...the Boss getz? Rank has it's privileges. I see it in the light of a chemist doing what is necessary in order to make the reaction go in the desired way. The way you seem to be describing G-d's mysterious ways, I can't help but point out something obvious: What kind of example is G-d setting for his beloved creations if it is so written that he so commands his I'm assuming that Lucifer's rebellion was a necessary element in the plan. It seems that beings who have free will, can choose to follow Kodeshim or not. It's kind of like destructive testing under load. It appears that is the only way in which he can differentiate between the two. perform the necessary ...blood shed himself - presumably to set things right in this world. On that note, let me mention Isaiah 63. Our eschatologists put that at end of the Tribulation, where Yeshua deals with a remnant of Edom which has survived the ordeal which has afflicted the rest of the world. To me, such divine privilege does not come off as a perception of an all-knowing, wise, and loving G-d. If he can tell which sentient, free willed entities will fail the test without testing, then G-d has gone to a lot of trouble for nothing. Also there is the matter of the Wheat and the Tares. Lucifer spread his seed into the same field. I assume that he had to be allowed to do so, since G-d was being fair with him. Certainly NOT a Role Model to emulate! Rather, it seems more to be the perception of egotistical hypocrite known to have proclaimed: BELIEVE IN ME And while you are believing in me: Do as I say, not what I personally do. You clearly don't understand Kodeshim. Ditto for the nature of the universe. Jed, I ain't no atheist myself, but right now I do think I would prefer the company of a gathering of atheists. Would you please put in a good word for me? ;-) The Council of the Ung-dly, Psalm 1, will take in anyone. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Hundreds of billions for alternative energy, nothing for cold fusion
Jones Beene wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: Where does that conclusion come from? Well, I am not so naive as to believe that the wording of a funding act will magically change ingrained opinions at the highest level, but you should read closely the wording the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10165605-54.html which became law on 17 February 2009. AKA, the Porkulus. It's intention was to grease the palms of the various left wing special interest groups which put the present government in power. BTW, Nancy Polisi included some provisions which enriched her husband, well why not? Rank has it's privileges, and to the victor belong the spoils, eh? I suspect that Pelosi, in particular, will have an open-ear to rooting out deliberate attempts to prevert the obvious intent of this important legislation. Park may still have some kind of a diminishing jo My answer is that the people who believe as we do, need to start calling into radio shows, and other public venues, telling people to do an Internet Search under suppression and Zero Point Energy, and see what comes up. That and use the term poisoning the atmosphere with CO2. BTW, Sterling Allen put me in touch with Dr. Theodore Loder, aero2012. science adviser. We had a nice talk. I proposed the same idea to him. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Hundreds of billions for alternative energy, nothing for cold fusion
Jed Rothwell wrote: Jones Beene wrote: I suspect that Pelosi, in particular, will have an open-ear to rooting out deliberate attempts to prevert the obvious intent of this important legislation. If anyone could get through to Pelosi with a letter suggesting that she consider funding cold fusion, she would give the letter to a scientific advisor. Dollars to doughnuts that advisor would glance at the letter for a moment, see t Contact Minnesota's Senator, Amy Klobuchar. She read my letter on stopping the suppression, and she is on a committee charged with cleaning up the environment. I would suggest that someone with Ed Storms' credentials talk to her about the LENT reactor's radioneuclide remediation. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message - From: thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net grok wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I think one of my main objections to the concept often described as The Rapture is that for many it would seem to imply that there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about the human condition, comingBiblical Events. Everybody has a basic human right to their beliefs, certainly -- Please provide a concrete example of how secular humanism is denying you the right to practice *your* religion. It hasn't happened here yet because we have freedom of speech, at the moment. However the Hate Speech Legislation is moving through the congress. It will criminalize telling homosexuals that they are living in impenitent sin, and will burn in hell as a result. This element of the progressive agenda has already come to Canada. I listened to a woman tell how her ministry was destroyed by a Canadian bureaucrat because she said the aforementioned NO NO. Ditto for protesting at abortatoriums, which has so far only been restricted, but which faces further restrictions. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:OT - The Rapture
OrionWorks wrote: Hi Thomas, You brought up many interesting issues for which most are ripe for comment. I will try to restrain myself and endeavor to remain on-topic of this OT subject thread: The Rapture. I asked: I'm puzzled, Thomas. What are your criteria for qualification for rapture status? You replied with: You need to believe and follow a path of righteousness. ...along with: Unless you believe and pursue righteousness you will be excluded. Your good deeds are as filthy rags in the sight of the L-rd. What are some of these righteous activities that must be believed in and pursued? Believe, be baptized, follow the 10 commandments, love your fellow man as your self. That is the minimum. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
[Vo]:disturbing the vacuum
John Berry wrote: Hmmm, ok excuse me but I have not looked at your work before despite being aware of it. My own research is into the aether (or void as Frank Wilczek calls his model of much the same spatial substance) has lead me to recognize that by moving the aether and disturbing it sufficiently causes it to break The paper below was written by a team of physicists who replicated the Bedini Machine. Having determined that it works, they speculate about how, and where the energy comes from. I'm looking for people who can carry on an intelligent conversation about this. Check out the author's work on the Atomic Precision website. _http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a94thpaper.pdf_ Spin Connection Resonance in the Bedini Machine from *overunity.com http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4515.msg113072.html#msg113072*: This is a paper on a Bedini replication by doctorate level physicists. They found that it worked as claimed. The physics have been worked out to engineering level. It is overunity and it does not violate conservation of energy. *Spin Connection Resonance in the Bedini Machine http://www.aias.us/documents/uft/a94thpaper.pdf* - by Myron W. Evans (Civil List Scientist, Treasury), H. Eckardt, C. Hubbard, J. Shelburne, Alpha Institute for Advanced Studies (AIAS) ( *www.aias.us http://www.aias.us/*, *www.atomicprecision.com/ http://www.atomicprecision.com/*) I have been following Einstein Cartan Evans unified field theory for over a year now. It is being widely accepted in the industrial physics community of working scientists, but the academic community will not accept it because it steps on some pet 20th century theories, I.E. no black holes and no big bang, no need for dark energy or dark matter. It explains all available empirical observations and experimental data for any branch of physics in a 4d general relativity geometrical model, so no need for extra dimensions or string theory ( which has never produced anything useful anyway) . However ECE has been developed and tested with super computers and is rigorously mathematically correct. All of the well proven laws of classical and quantum physics are recovered as special limits of ECE theory. The kicker is that ECE predicts the ability to extract energy from space time both gravitationally and electromagnetically thru spin resonance connections. The physical laws involved are of the same mathematical structure as the Coulomb, Ampere-Maxwell, Faraday and Gauss laws of classical electrodynamics with added terms to define the spin connections. The Bedini motor properly configured produces such a spin resonant connection within the target battery itself. The battery self charges from a spacetime connection. The motor simply produces the resonance conditions necessary for this to take place, it does not supply charge current to the battery. ..from *overunity.com http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4515.msg113072.html#msg113072* Yes they replicated the Bedini patent plans. Understand that this is a greater than 100% COP device, like a heat pump it requires energy input from an isolated source to modulate a larger output from another discrete source. Space time is the relativity theory term for this source of primordial charge density that is an inherent property of the universe. Other theories might call this Aether or Gamma and Beta Atmospheres. The Bedini motor will not work if connected in a direct loop to its own battery source. However it will charge multiple target batteries which can then be used to power other devices as well as be swapped out to run the motor. But the motor and charge circuits must be isolated and the charger side is not grounded except through the batteries in circuit. There is no earth ground involved. --- the charge circuit is only over 100% COP over a very narrow range of resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself. The output loop and the battery form a resonant tank circuit. Adding any external load will change the resonant condition. The charged battery has to be removed from the charger circuit and utilized to drive a separate discrete load to realize the gain. --- Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=420bd3048c51383467f4471499b96750topic=4515.40;topicseen# lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable
Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?
grok wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com mounted the barricade and roared out: I think that it is clear to everyone that socialism, communism in anything like the form that we have seen in the past is not what anyone is talking about, not even the theory/ideals of Marxism would have any fans. List hypocrisy and trolling for Ayn Rand aside -- guess what? Reality doesn't much care what you and your friends think, fella. I really hate to break this to people here, but the future has *always* been with Socialism -- Grok, You are, IMHO, either totally misguided, or one sick individual. socialism's agenda is the destruction of the individual. What I liked about Randian Philosophy was the celebration of the triumph of the individual against the collective. Even fascism. Which is the immediate goal of the Rightwing of the U.S. ruling-class, actually... What you ignore is that fascism is socialism with private ownership. It is a more efficient production system, but it has no difference fundamentally between fascism and socialism. Both destroy the individual for the good of the collective. You north americans and brits are about to find out the very real limits of capitalism -- and all its support structures (like your totalitarian mass-propaganda media, Calling the economic system in America and Britain capitalism may fit with your agenda Grok, but the truth is that neither country has had free enterprise capitalism in the last 100 years. for instance). And liberals and even neocon- fascists can burble-on about the new green economy all they want, too: your very REAL collective problem _remains_ the capitalist mode of production itself -- People have certain wants and needs, the limited amount of free enterprise that we have here meets those needs much better than the collectivized system that the Russians had. as the entire Planet has just found out, and can clearly see for itself right now. The entire planet is riddled with collectivism, where does this place where capitalism is practiced exist? What is it that the entire planet has found out? The fact that collectivism has failed every time it's been tried clearly isn't one of them. This misguided idea is apparently the basis of your belief that America is particular is a bastion of free enterprise capitalism. You are right, we have a ruling elite, Oligarchy, which is promoting the sort of dystopia which Orwell and Huxley wrote about in 1984 and Brave New World. If you truely believe that this is a good thing, then you are indeed sick. 'Atlantis' indeed...Beam me up. Another interesting comment. You may have heard that certain Christians believe that one of these days a trumpet is going to blow, and they are going to vanish. Well I'm one of them. That's why I'm not just too concerned about the world's continuing to deterioration. The main reason is that I've realized over the past 1/2 century that there's nothing I can do about it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Who is John Galt?
grok wrote: Gawd... if I got a slip of Monopoly money for every time I've had socialism/communism -- or capitalism -- patiently explained to me (or not) by a petit-bourgeois, I'd never have to buy toilet paper ever again... Stick to tinkering in your garages, guys. Given how full of s-it you are Grok, that would talk a lot of T P. Any body who thinks that the world is a better place because of increasing socialist tinkering in the economy is either insane, or so full of chutzpah that he is experiencing a willful suspension of disbelief. IMHO, world would be a better place if we techies ran it, I doubt that even a committee of all of us could make a bigger mess of things than people with legal degrees have. Speaking of serendipity, Hugh Hewitt just had an investment guy on. He attributed the Stock Market's free fall to capital going on strike because of the crazy regulatory environment created by the Demoncratic controlled congress. Rather like Atlas Shrugged he continued. I'm Petite Bourgeois, and proud of it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
